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We can sit right here, chilly, right, all 19 00:02:23.800 --> 00:02:25.240 right, it's all right. They won't be able to see you if you 20 00:02:25.360 --> 00:02:30.199 identify one of them, they won't know who you are here. Do it 21 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:34.280 and just take your time and make sure we've got to have these men. 22 00:02:34.439 --> 00:02:39.240 Chilly, your attention, your people out there on the side of the wire 23 00:02:39.319 --> 00:02:43.960 the audience room. May I have your attention? Please? Thank you. 24 00:02:44.680 --> 00:02:46.280 My name is Grab, Sargeant, not Grab. I'll explain the lineup for 25 00:02:46.360 --> 00:02:51.520 you. Each of the suspect you will see will be number. I'll call 26 00:02:51.560 --> 00:02:53.919 out a number, their name and charge. If you have any questions or 27 00:02:53.960 --> 00:02:58.879 identifications, please remember the number of signs of the prisoner as I call his 28 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:02.199 name at the end of each line. When I asked the questions or identifications, 29 00:03:02.240 --> 00:03:06.479 call out the number if you're sure. I'm not too sure. The 30 00:03:06.520 --> 00:03:09.360 suspects have him held. The officers who took your name with assist you. 31 00:03:09.400 --> 00:03:15.000 They're seated among you. Please be promp with your questions or identifications. When 32 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:19.120 the prisoners read near they are sent to the bathroom and drifted back into their 33 00:03:19.159 --> 00:03:23.080 jail clothes. It makes it quite difficult to bring them back after they leave 34 00:03:23.120 --> 00:03:27.599 here. The questions I asked these suspects are merely to get a natural phone 35 00:03:27.639 --> 00:03:30.840 of voice, so do not pay too much attention to their answers, as 36 00:03:30.840 --> 00:03:37.080 they often lie bing on the line. All right, all right, pull 37 00:03:37.199 --> 00:03:39.919 up to the end of the stage. That's right, keep a moving given 38 00:03:39.960 --> 00:03:46.039 movie. All right, I'm turning fake sprint and see your size. Look 39 00:03:46.039 --> 00:03:54.039 straight ahead. Number one Alex pot breaking again, entering readyar Alex n eighteen 40 00:03:54.599 --> 00:03:58.879 and name on the nine November sixteenth. You've broke into the house of our 41 00:03:58.960 --> 00:04:02.159 our posts twenty two forty three soft Rockford Street. I didn't say nothing nothing. 42 00:04:02.680 --> 00:04:05.319 You don't have to in this state outs just breaking in. There's enough. 43 00:04:05.719 --> 00:04:10.039 Yeah, well, you know as long as they as I didn't get 44 00:04:10.080 --> 00:04:12.800 time, I should have rung a door, though I did. Number two, 45 00:04:13.120 --> 00:04:16.240 Peter, but justin narcotic suspect, where do you listing there? D'm 46 00:04:16.279 --> 00:04:20.560 a hostel of medicine avenue. That's a pretty nice o. Jumpy then nervous. 47 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:27.360 I'm working right now, starting stand still. I'm sorry, I'm nervous. 48 00:04:27.600 --> 00:04:30.000 You got a monkey on your back? No, no, Sorge. 49 00:04:30.079 --> 00:04:32.079 I put the jumped on a long time ago. Do you know anyone? 50 00:04:32.279 --> 00:04:36.240 Number three? Nicklas? Gott see it as order the conduct. Watch your 51 00:04:36.240 --> 00:04:41.959 business, Nicklas, I worked through the STUDIOSI this is your best apastatist. 52 00:04:42.600 --> 00:04:46.000 Yes, it was pretty drugs. My wife left you run off with a 53 00:04:46.079 --> 00:04:50.399 guy. He wasn't the policeman, was he? No? You used some 54 00:04:50.480 --> 00:04:57.399 pretty love rock language on the frome and death. I don't remember. Well, 55 00:04:57.399 --> 00:04:59.879 watch your language the next time. And some of the boys are se 56 00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:06.319 number oscar Cook narcotic suspect? What are you Libscar? How about that one, 57 00:05:06.399 --> 00:05:11.759 Charlie? He's a frame. The pig swipt it on me when he 58 00:05:11.839 --> 00:05:14.800 picked me up. This is your fair defense is going to be pretty rough. 59 00:05:14.959 --> 00:05:18.040 It wasn't hard. She the coolest, A big stashed it on me. 60 00:05:18.360 --> 00:05:23.079 Look who's Carver? Who are pig number five? And a shipper? 61 00:05:23.560 --> 00:05:27.720 Narcotic suspect? What are you tell me? Six seas two hundred and third 62 00:05:27.759 --> 00:05:30.079 Street, Where do you work? How about it? I don't know how 63 00:05:30.160 --> 00:05:34.279 long have you been putting it down? Huh? What are you dreaming about? 64 00:05:34.800 --> 00:05:51.879 Reached me? It's pretty crazy. Though man, Oh, hello Ben, 65 00:05:53.040 --> 00:05:57.040 this is Charlie Man. Hello, Charlie. Hi, I'm sorry you 66 00:05:57.120 --> 00:06:00.639 couldn't identify any of those men who were Take him out and show him the 67 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:02.480 mug file. Maybe you can find one of them there. Yeah. Sure, 68 00:06:02.680 --> 00:06:06.439 I'm going after narcotics. I've been Captain Water's office. Okay, come 69 00:06:06.439 --> 00:06:15.920 on, let's go, Johnny. Yeah, seven stout linking attention? Are 70 00:06:16.120 --> 00:06:19.560 units? Are units in the vicinity of forty seven? You want to hunt 71 00:06:19.600 --> 00:06:24.879 State Street up to eleven and the shooting, so three at ten to more 72 00:06:25.040 --> 00:06:33.879 units in? No, bim oh Bill? Nice? Yeah, oh boy, 73 00:06:33.879 --> 00:06:38.079 identify any of them? No, and we'll keep trying. I don't 74 00:06:38.120 --> 00:06:41.360 have the boys keep calling them in. Charlie can look at every narcotics perspect 75 00:06:41.399 --> 00:06:46.000 We've got a package on some we haven't. It's a rottenness, yea rotten 76 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:48.480 Are you sure this old bunk and identify the three men, Charlie says he 77 00:06:48.560 --> 00:06:51.680 can. I don't know. He was flopped under the bridge as he heard 78 00:06:51.720 --> 00:06:56.240 the car pull up and stop, got scared. Couldn't figure it. We'd 79 00:06:56.240 --> 00:06:59.079 be stopping that late at night and they saw these guys kill Fisher. No, 80 00:06:59.240 --> 00:07:00.319 no, no, no, he didn't see him killing me hurt the 81 00:07:00.360 --> 00:07:04.800 shot and looked up. Saw the three men left Fisher over the railing and 82 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:09.240 drop him in the river bend. And he could recognize three men standing up 83 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:12.399 on a bridge late at night, he says, So, couple of lights 84 00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:15.720 on the bridge, only twenty feet to the river bend. He says, 85 00:07:15.759 --> 00:07:18.040 So, I hope he can. I went over and saw Fisher's family myself. 86 00:07:18.480 --> 00:07:23.759 Yeah, I've had dinner over there. It was a great cook. 87 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:28.000 She took it pretty hard, so did his wife, Jane. Fisher was 88 00:07:28.040 --> 00:07:30.680 a good cup. Boys in the precinct are taking it pretty hard too. 89 00:07:30.959 --> 00:07:34.759 We'll get the guys. Fisher was going to make the contact at eight to 90 00:07:34.879 --> 00:07:39.360 night. Yeah, you're supposed to meet a man named Black, Francis Black. 91 00:07:39.639 --> 00:07:42.720 My department's been trying to bust this ring for a long time. Fisher 92 00:07:42.879 --> 00:07:46.839 was close Black with a pusher for the step. Fisher got his confidence and 93 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:49.040 made a deal to buy ten thousand heroin. Supposed to meet Black last night 94 00:07:49.079 --> 00:07:51.959 at eight o'clock in the bar, and then Black was supposed to take him 95 00:07:51.959 --> 00:07:55.680 to the big boy. We had a steak out in the bar and across 96 00:07:55.759 --> 00:07:58.680 the street. Fisher meant Black all right, they got into the Black's car 97 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:01.560 and drove to the river with it. At the ferry, we stick at 98 00:08:01.600 --> 00:08:03.959 a car on the other side, and they switched cars in the ferry, 99 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:07.879 so we didn't catch on until Black's car didn't drive off. Had it all 100 00:08:09.000 --> 00:08:11.040 set up? Mister Nolan Fisher was a company for Black, met him in 101 00:08:11.079 --> 00:08:16.439 the bar and what about Black? Then his apartments take out, but he 102 00:08:16.600 --> 00:08:22.600 won't show come on in them. Hello, captain, you want to go 103 00:08:22.639 --> 00:08:26.240 over there now? Ben here, I guess so I've got Charlie looking at 104 00:08:26.279 --> 00:08:28.920 the MUDs with Sergeant Quine. Okay, well, we'll see you later, 105 00:08:28.959 --> 00:08:31.959 Bill. He thought we'd take a few minutes and go over and see the 106 00:08:31.080 --> 00:08:35.120 Fisher's family. It won't make you feel good. Mom Fisher's fed the whole 107 00:08:35.159 --> 00:08:39.799 apartment at one time or another. She's a fine person. I feel I'm 108 00:08:39.799 --> 00:09:03.600 not worse if I didn't stop by. Well, yeah, we'll go on 109 00:09:05.159 --> 00:09:16.919 bring it h okay, Hello Jean? Hello? Then hello man? All 110 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:22.559 right, come in, thanks, where's mom the kitchen? Fifteen? Young 111 00:09:22.639 --> 00:09:26.480 Jeff is dinner back in schools them he's in school. He's already gone before 112 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:35.799 Bill can A'm all right, it won't be bad for fire till I get 113 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:41.960 lonesome, till I miss him. Just kind of norm now, moms in 114 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:46.519 the kitchen, A little Jeff doesn't know he was already in school. Who 115 00:09:46.600 --> 00:09:54.480 we heard? My time tonight after the's dinner, after we watches television. 116 00:09:56.000 --> 00:10:03.480 Mom Oh mom, Mom, hello boys, that's you Benjamin and fixing Jess 117 00:10:03.559 --> 00:10:09.919 something for his dinner. Some cookies too for later. Hope your cookies he 118 00:10:09.080 --> 00:10:15.639 likes some, wouldn't My two big policemen like some cookies. Well, we 119 00:10:15.759 --> 00:10:18.559 can't stay long, mom, I shouldn't have to entertain you in the kitchen. 120 00:10:20.559 --> 00:10:24.960 A little ruffian has got an appetite like you, Matthew. Nobody's got 121 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:28.360 an appetite like matt Mamma, it's your cooking, Mom. Yeah, I'm 122 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:33.480 a good cook. The men in my family are particular. Jess No. 123 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:37.679 Eight, and he's very particular, Jean. It's a fine cook tool. 124 00:10:39.799 --> 00:10:43.879 I guess we spoil our men, don't we. Jee, I mean, 125 00:10:45.000 --> 00:10:54.000 look in the ovens and see if my cookies are done? Yes? Do 126 00:10:54.200 --> 00:10:58.759 look done? Mom? Oh, you have to be going, Benjamin. 127 00:11:00.039 --> 00:11:03.320 Gee, you take the cookies out of the oven and I'll go with my 128 00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:09.440 two big policemen to the door. Yes, Bryge, bye bye, plea 129 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:16.879 come back. So I'm sure. I'm sure Jee's a good girl, fine 130 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:22.159 girl. My son was lucky. What what should we say? Mom? 131 00:11:22.759 --> 00:11:31.159 Say Benjamin, you have said it without saying it, my two big policemen. 132 00:11:31.399 --> 00:11:39.120 You have said it. Bye, Mom, Matthew, Mom Benjamin, 133 00:11:41.879 --> 00:11:45.440 Oh what is it? Mom? A little ruffy and little chet running this 134 00:11:45.519 --> 00:11:48.799 way down the box. I'll have to hurry and get him a few cookies 135 00:11:48.840 --> 00:11:50.360 so they can eat them while to watch us half along casting a. Mom. 136 00:11:52.360 --> 00:12:16.080 Yes, Matthew, God bless you. Okay, Yeah, I didn't 137 00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:18.360 want to call you about marm And what's the matter. I guess brought a 138 00:12:18.399 --> 00:12:24.559 guy in a two eleven shooting Francis Black dead. Very fort lugs him. 139 00:12:24.320 --> 00:12:28.360 I was just going to get that little bump from identification. He's down with 140 00:12:28.440 --> 00:12:31.440 sergeant Quin. Yeah, let's go getting. Where do you find a body? 141 00:12:31.639 --> 00:12:33.399 Forty fifteen hundred and eighth Street. Witness say, came out of a 142 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:37.200 hotel and somebody opened up across the street with rifles. Man who runs a 143 00:12:37.240 --> 00:12:41.759 jewelry store. I caught a wild shot in my hip? How was mom? 144 00:12:41.559 --> 00:12:50.519 Magnificent? I feel terrible. I want to get those guys boom cline. 145 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:56.360 Yeah, bring Charlie here, barn something Charlie from something. He spotted 146 00:12:56.360 --> 00:13:01.320 one of them, that pom lie Sure, he says, this is one 147 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:03.200 of'em. I just take it. I'm just gonna call him. That's 148 00:13:03.240 --> 00:13:05.519 one of'em, all right. That's one of the boats wh pushed that 149 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:11.399 guy off the bridge. Here's his package? You know him though, Yeah, 150 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:16.000 there's a boat. Let's b I kick thank you? May that boat 151 00:13:16.039 --> 00:13:20.360 it before? Are you sure this is one of them? Yeah? I've 152 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:24.720 seen him clear him and two others. Charlie. Here's look clear, no 153 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:28.559 mistaken? No, sure, I mean a lieutenant. That's all right there, 154 00:13:28.600 --> 00:13:30.840 there's one of them in. I put out a picture. We will 155 00:13:30.879 --> 00:13:33.039 be in the morgue. Come on, Charlie, We've got another one for 156 00:13:33.159 --> 00:13:37.399 you. Another word down in the morgue. He was mixed up in. 157 00:13:37.480 --> 00:13:39.480 It might have been one of the three who pushed Fisher off the bridge. 158 00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:03.399 Hi, man, lieutenant, the one you just got in George to eleven 159 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:09.279 shoot Frances black hairs right a right here, come here, Charlie. Okay, 160 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:18.600 well it back Josh sure, well no one well yes or no? 161 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:24.639 I think so? You know it's hard to tell with him run and down, 162 00:14:24.440 --> 00:14:33.000 set him up? Oh y set him up? Joining sure, well, 163 00:14:33.120 --> 00:14:39.440 Charlie, that's one. Not sure. Yeah, I'm sure we're routine. 164 00:14:52.600 --> 00:14:54.919 I got a drag that out on Joseph Boger. Well, I if 165 00:14:54.960 --> 00:14:58.039 Charlie's identifications all right, we've tagged two of them, Bill, Pretty easy 166 00:14:58.080 --> 00:15:01.440 to figure why Francs Black was killed. The guys with those ripples didn't like 167 00:15:01.559 --> 00:15:05.720 him getting mixed up at the cop knew we had him spotted, so they 168 00:15:05.879 --> 00:15:09.559 blacked him before we could pick him up. Yeah, you said that Fisher 169 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:13.440 made his contact with Francis Black and a bar? What bar place on seventy 170 00:15:13.480 --> 00:15:16.519 third Street? Angelous? Who've got a man watching it? Or what about 171 00:15:16.519 --> 00:15:20.000 the guy who runs it? No record? Name's Angelo Giuseppe. We talked 172 00:15:20.039 --> 00:15:22.679 with him, showed him Black's picture. I never saw him before. I 173 00:15:22.679 --> 00:15:24.559 didn't remember him coming in last night. Has he seen the mug on Joseph 174 00:15:24.600 --> 00:15:28.879 Boger? Not yet? You want to take it over, yeah, long 175 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:31.879 shot, But I don't want to sit around and wait. I don't blame 176 00:15:31.960 --> 00:15:33.480 you. Let me know if you got anything. I don't want to miss 177 00:15:33.519 --> 00:15:54.039 it. Nobody does. Everybody wants him on this one. There will be 178 00:15:54.159 --> 00:15:58.600 four more amateur songwriters on hand, and one of them will sell his song 179 00:15:58.720 --> 00:16:03.240 for nationwide distribution when Songs for Sale comes along this Friday night on most of 180 00:16:03.279 --> 00:16:07.840 these same CBS stations, Songs for Sale gives these new writers a great chance. 181 00:16:07.159 --> 00:16:11.399 Their songs are judged by a panel of experts. Their music is sung 182 00:16:11.480 --> 00:16:15.159 by Rosemary Clooney and Richard Hayes. They're made to feel at home under the 183 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:18.679 guidance of the experience showman Jan Luis for an hour of fascinating fund behind the 184 00:16:18.759 --> 00:16:22.759 scenes of Tin Pan Alley. Here are songs for Sale this Friday and every 185 00:16:22.840 --> 00:16:41.639 Friday on CBS. Sure you, Penn, And I thought with some of 186 00:16:41.720 --> 00:16:47.320 your boys dysloyal. They showed me the picture of some guy named the Vances 187 00:16:47.440 --> 00:16:51.000 Black Angelum. Yeah, yeah, you were supposed to have bring in my 188 00:16:51.080 --> 00:16:53.720 prace last night, supposed to have met that couples got killed, but I 189 00:16:53.879 --> 00:16:57.840 never saw. But how about this guy? Or let me give my glatny 190 00:16:59.600 --> 00:17:04.920 names. Joseph Forger, let's see Joseph b A Liu tennant. Yeah, 191 00:17:06.440 --> 00:17:08.880 this one, this one's been in my place many time. Joseph Organ, 192 00:17:10.079 --> 00:17:15.039 Well, he don't call himself a Joseph both all, I think, Alison, 193 00:17:15.319 --> 00:17:17.839 And when was the last time he was in, Angelo, or two 194 00:17:17.920 --> 00:17:21.119 or two days ago? I think comes in once or twice a week, 195 00:17:21.240 --> 00:17:23.440 doesn't come in once twice a week for about the years, once or twice 196 00:17:23.440 --> 00:17:26.200 a week. I said, well, how well you know it? Well? 197 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:27.880 Not too well. He don't say much, she said, I know 198 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:33.000 he calls himself or something. He never said where he lived. One never 199 00:17:33.079 --> 00:17:36.599 said nothing. No, I heard a couple of guys that call him out 200 00:17:36.680 --> 00:17:38.720 one time or another. I always said the hollow Allo when he came in. 201 00:17:38.880 --> 00:17:41.920 It's a good policy. Your customer's name, make them want to come 202 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:45.000 back. Look, Angelo, you haven't seen him in two or three days? 203 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:48.400 No, but I think probably, And I'm sure he lives around here. 204 00:17:49.079 --> 00:17:52.240 Why are you sure a guy don't keep stopping into a bar once or 205 00:17:52.279 --> 00:17:55.880 twice a week or for a year in the evening if he don't look across 206 00:17:56.000 --> 00:17:57.559 by, you know, you go out of your way to a real classic 207 00:17:57.640 --> 00:18:00.759 joint. Maybe, but not from my pause, it's nice, it's a 208 00:18:00.839 --> 00:18:29.880 comfortable. I can't warn my drinks about the class where I ain't got Hi 209 00:18:29.960 --> 00:18:34.079 Angelo, Yeah, yeah, And this is Sergeant Grab Angelo Illo start. 210 00:18:34.200 --> 00:18:38.400 Hello, Angelo, Angelo is starting now. There'll be two officers in your 211 00:18:38.440 --> 00:18:41.720 place from the time you open them a morning to the close at night, 212 00:18:41.400 --> 00:18:45.880 Sergeant Grab and I'll take over for the day. Tomorrow will be from the 213 00:18:45.920 --> 00:18:51.440 two others. All right. If Joseph Folger comes in trying to act like 214 00:18:51.519 --> 00:18:52.960 there's nothing wrong, understand, had to get out of the way, go 215 00:18:53.119 --> 00:18:56.599 to the back room or something, and we'll try to take him without any 216 00:18:56.640 --> 00:18:59.880 shooting. Yeah. Yeah, and we'll sit over at that table when this 217 00:19:00.039 --> 00:19:06.440 beer or something. Okay, that got picked my insurance last tonight. I 218 00:19:06.519 --> 00:19:10.440 think Boge will show I hope so. Man, the Captain's got a bunch 219 00:19:10.480 --> 00:19:12.799 of boys out with pictures covering this area for about three miles each way. 220 00:19:14.319 --> 00:19:18.759 It's a lot of walking. Yeah, yeah, thanks, I'll just forget 221 00:19:18.799 --> 00:19:22.880 about us, Angel. That ain't easy. I'm gonna try to act like 222 00:19:22.039 --> 00:19:30.240 it, but that I can bot. What's the time, it's three forty 223 00:19:33.559 --> 00:19:56.359 spends half this time waiting five o'clock boys. Yeah, there'll be two more 224 00:19:56.400 --> 00:20:00.839 tomorrow morning. Sure, good night, Angel, good night, good night. 225 00:20:07.799 --> 00:20:11.880 Yeah. I hate to do that every day. Yeah, yeah, 226 00:20:11.920 --> 00:20:15.799 I can't think of anything more terrible than sitting all day in half the night 227 00:20:15.960 --> 00:20:37.200 watching a perfectly good beer go flood. Good morning, Good morning band. 228 00:20:40.519 --> 00:20:44.680 Three days now, Billy's quite a lasher in the bar to day mess and 229 00:20:44.759 --> 00:20:48.359 I go tomorrow again. I wish we'd get something. Take it easy, 230 00:20:48.440 --> 00:20:51.359 Take it easy. How close can you get? Got one identify? The 231 00:20:51.440 --> 00:20:55.440 other boys have showed Bogs picture of everybody in that area. Nobody knows and 232 00:20:55.519 --> 00:20:59.640 nobody's seen it. Yeah, yeah, I know, two bad More of 233 00:20:59.759 --> 00:21:04.519 us couldn't have been the Fisher's funeral. Sure, Mom understood. Then we've 234 00:21:04.519 --> 00:21:07.519 gone in every not caught accesspect we can get our hands, and we sweated 235 00:21:07.599 --> 00:21:11.400 stoolies a three day now, we've questioned every hood in the city. We've 236 00:21:11.400 --> 00:21:15.440 got all the roads covered, airports, bus stations. I wish I know, 237 00:21:17.039 --> 00:21:18.720 I'll see you later. I gotta go down to the line. Okay, 238 00:21:26.799 --> 00:21:30.799 then, yeah, get Mat. Just got a call Bulgers in the 239 00:21:30.839 --> 00:21:48.960 barn. Now, I told client, went to take him till we got 240 00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:52.039 here. How do we do it? We have more of us, the 241 00:21:52.079 --> 00:21:56.000 less chance of Bulgars using his gun. Matt cover the yelling. Right, 242 00:21:56.440 --> 00:22:06.640 all right, let's go Bill, let me go in first. I'll get 243 00:22:06.720 --> 00:22:21.079 next to one let's see ianking me about thirty seconds. Okay, Oh I'm 244 00:22:21.200 --> 00:22:29.319 home. Oh I don't I don't bear please coming there you are? Thanks, 245 00:22:29.799 --> 00:22:33.079 I will bear all fine. Fans, Oh my gosh, what's wrong? 246 00:22:33.240 --> 00:22:41.039 I forgot to call my wife. She'll kill me. Don't move all 247 00:22:41.079 --> 00:22:48.680 again? He said, don't move fine, that's let me go. I 248 00:22:48.720 --> 00:22:56.759 got him? Hey, what is this ill? Where I met it? 249 00:22:56.839 --> 00:22:57.720 Well? You want the other guy? What out that guy? What are 250 00:22:57.759 --> 00:23:02.759 you talking about? What we're talking about? A lousy cup killer. I'm 251 00:23:02.759 --> 00:23:06.839 still going to tell us where he are. No, wait, you got 252 00:23:06.920 --> 00:23:32.200 ten seconds to make up your mind. Oho, I'll be better make it 253 00:23:32.279 --> 00:23:37.920 out. Thompson on a shotgun? One Thompson one shotgun? Where's the Thompson? 254 00:23:41.359 --> 00:23:45.720 Okay, I'll get the shotgun. I'll take it. Okay, how 255 00:23:45.759 --> 00:23:51.359 watch ammunition two drums for the Thompson six rounds for a shotgun? Sign up? 256 00:23:51.839 --> 00:23:59.839 Kuh, what's the number? One me? Thompson six seven six one 257 00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:08.359 two six seven six one two one times shotgun six four five one two eight 258 00:24:08.839 --> 00:24:15.799 four five one two eight Yeah. Food drums for the Thompson six rounds for 259 00:24:15.839 --> 00:24:18.559 the shotgun. Okay, I sure have been hopping the last half hour. 260 00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:21.519 Everybody's been down here. We've got our lead on the third guy who killed 261 00:24:21.519 --> 00:24:25.240 Fisher. Yeah, I heard some guy named a Shaw. Yeah, this 262 00:24:25.400 --> 00:24:48.680 is one time I don't mind being busy. We've got the area closed off. 263 00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:51.359 Two men at the alley entrance, cars at the end of the box, 264 00:24:51.680 --> 00:24:53.720 three cars on the street. Here. We're sure. We's talk with 265 00:24:53.799 --> 00:24:56.839 the hotel. Clerk says Shaw hasn't come in yet. Usually comes in between 266 00:24:56.960 --> 00:25:00.599 seven or eight. Fine, sitting in a loud Do we wait in his 267 00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:11.559 room? Cape at least seven? Now Shaw's rooms two away, Clerk, 268 00:25:11.599 --> 00:25:18.359 give us the key to to await. Yes, there you are crying. 269 00:25:18.440 --> 00:25:22.720 We're going after the room. Shaw comes in and just get behind him, 270 00:25:22.799 --> 00:25:33.079 follow him up the elevator. Two. Yeah, office called Bolser signed a 271 00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:42.799 full confession. Bolder and Black were pushing the stuff for shure to fifteen two 272 00:25:42.920 --> 00:25:47.799 fortune and done this way. Sean Boger met Black and Fisher. I'm a 273 00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:52.039 fairy. Shaw recognized Fisher as a cap to the bridge, killed him. 274 00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:56.720 Yeah, oh yeah, away, Bolger still says, Sean pulled a twigger. 275 00:25:56.880 --> 00:26:02.880 Yeah, hey, come on, let's go take your says man. 276 00:26:07.039 --> 00:26:15.200 Chop came in and Chop that office, quin Quin. He saw me starting 277 00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:19.319 up, started shooting. Got him the bushman, yeah right over there. 278 00:26:19.440 --> 00:26:22.119 Get an ambulances to warn them, and go and tell him and get an 279 00:26:22.160 --> 00:26:26.559 ambulace. Come on, math Ry, you clerk, stay with math head 280 00:26:26.599 --> 00:26:33.799 down to hire man. What's right now? I've got around that playe right. 281 00:26:36.799 --> 00:26:41.079 Must have gone through that door. No no nor no service. Helenna. 282 00:26:41.920 --> 00:26:47.839 He's going up, yeah the roof, Come on, let's go. 283 00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:03.119 He can't get off. He's ten stories up. Two boys coming up the 284 00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:06.519 fire or skating. He's probably waiting for us to come through the store and 285 00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:08.720 us below go through one at the time. And what about that Thompson that 286 00:27:08.759 --> 00:27:11.319 will throw slugs all over the city. I won't use it unless I have 287 00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:18.319 to look at the open. I'll go first, Okay, Man, I 288 00:27:18.440 --> 00:27:26.720 got him sinn down. Let's go. Bill, he's behind the verbits. 289 00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:36.240 Do that big listening you will it split off? We got sure? Get 290 00:27:36.279 --> 00:27:40.480 what up? Oh, Roger, he's coming on, Jolaine, I'm at 291 00:27:42.519 --> 00:27:49.839 say we are going all right, I'm going around this week. He's telling 292 00:27:49.960 --> 00:28:03.039 that he's circling like it. Ben Ben, hey boy, h get him 293 00:28:03.039 --> 00:28:08.119 Ben. Let's get him off the roof. Get out of this quin. 294 00:28:08.680 --> 00:28:12.640 I should have worn a heavier coat. Yeah, yeah, guy could catch 295 00:28:12.680 --> 00:28:36.720 you a bad cool up here the line up or before you passed the innocent, 296 00:28:36.920 --> 00:28:41.480 the vagrant, the thief, the murderer. Listen again next week when 297 00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:45.920 we again bring you the line up. Hey, I have your attention. 298 00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:49.039 Please you people out there on the other side of the wire in the audience 299 00:28:49.160 --> 00:28:55.759 room, may I have your attention to please thank you. My name is 300 00:28:55.839 --> 00:29:00.279 Grap, so I'll just not scrap. I'll explain the miner to you that 301 00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:03.720 suspects you. She will be numbing. I'll call up my number, their 302 00:29:03.799 --> 00:29:08.720 name and John you had any questions or identification, les, numbers and number 303 00:29:08.799 --> 00:29:19.680 of sign at the end of well. 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They're Danny's friends, and when a crime is 312 00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:07.279 committed, they're inside stories. Help Danny l finds a fee for killer. 313 00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:11.119 Friday Night also brings you the CBS famous anti crime series Up four Pole for 314 00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:15.400 hard hitting, factual stories of men and women behind bars who seek another chance 315 00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:18.799 at freedom. You're a shorter one dry. Both Broadways, My Beat and 316 00:30:19.039 --> 00:30:23.559 UP four Bowl they've heard every Friday on most of these same CBS stations. 317 00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:48.799 This is CBS. The stars address the Columbia Broadcasting System Welcome back. Well. 318 00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:56.519 This is a good episode for kind of the contrast between Dragnet and the 319 00:30:56.640 --> 00:31:04.960 lineup. Whenever there was a killing of a police officer, Dragnet and Jack 320 00:31:06.039 --> 00:31:11.400 Webb always took pains to make it clear that this was not just a case 321 00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:17.319 of the police being upset because one of their own had been killed, rather 322 00:31:17.559 --> 00:31:23.200 a criminal that was ready and willing to kill an armed police officer. What 323 00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:29.759 might they do to actual civilians? No effort at that is made in this 324 00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:37.200 episode seems a much more totally passion driven effort the desire to get the cop 325 00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:41.720 killer. Now, certainly both elements are present, I think in real life 326 00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:48.599 and Dragnet did often include the emotional element, but here that seems to be 327 00:31:48.680 --> 00:31:51.960 the main driver in the drama. So that's one of the big differences. 328 00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:56.920 All right, Listener comments and feedback to begin with a comment on Facebook from 329 00:31:57.240 --> 00:32:02.079 Rosaleen, who said, thank you Adam for wonderful insight in the history of 330 00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:07.359 police procedures. I regularly listen to Dragnet and the Great Detectives. I have 331 00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:12.519 a professional interest in recognition, memory and find the lineup is an interesting perspective 332 00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:19.680 on identification procedures. Before we knew about the many problems associated with eyewitness testimony. 333 00:32:20.680 --> 00:32:23.880 Face recognition is imperfect, and it's easy to make mistakes with seen and 334 00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:30.880 recognizing even when someone is viewed briefly under stressful conditions. Memory is also easily 335 00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:35.160 influenced by the white questions are asked at the time memory is being tested. 336 00:32:35.480 --> 00:32:39.200 Humans are often inclined to agree with people they respect and consider to be authorities. 337 00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:45.680 It is now widely acknowledged that identification should not be undertaken by presenting witnesses 338 00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:50.519 with a single suspect or a distinctive individual in a lineup and asking did he 339 00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:53.119 do it? To the best of my knowledge, identification now involves showing the 340 00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:59.119 witness a lineup of people who resemble the suspect in terms of ethnicity, age, 341 00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:04.400 and asking do you recognize anyone? The case in episode eight sixty the 342 00:33:04.599 --> 00:33:08.160 candy store robbery represents a clear example of how an innocent person could be placed 343 00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:13.279 in an impossible situation as a consequence of a member of the public wanting to 344 00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:19.079 be helpful. Fortunately, the more experience and psychologically sophisticated policeman was not satisfied 345 00:33:19.160 --> 00:33:23.319 with the evidence from one compliant witness. One wonders how many mistakes had less 346 00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:30.160 fortunate outcomes. Certainly something to remember, and that, by the way, 347 00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:32.440 it's the point of another one of our shows, A life in your hands, 348 00:33:32.839 --> 00:33:37.400 and I think you know and most of the audiences has enjoyed a life 349 00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:45.640 in your hands immensely. It has an important message about accurately remembering what you 350 00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:50.680 saw, and just as how cag will tell witnesses just say what you saw, 351 00:33:50.839 --> 00:33:53.839 not what you think you saw. An episode eight sixty, things got 352 00:33:53.920 --> 00:34:00.799 into trouble because he saw the car and he associated the car with the person 353 00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:05.599 he'd always seen owning it. So I think it's some fascinating programs here, 354 00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:08.679 some even ahead of their times. Thanks so much for the comment. Then 355 00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:13.559 we have this from podcast Tally from Joan. Hi Adam, I must say, 356 00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:16.880 I'm beginning to enjoy the new series, especially the supermarket murders. It 357 00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:21.079 reminds me a little of Dragon That's way of doing things, and I find 358 00:34:21.119 --> 00:34:23.840 this series very interesting. Thanks you for sharing the show with us. As 359 00:34:23.880 --> 00:34:29.199 always, keep up the great work. Cheers from Joan in Southern Ontario, 360 00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:32.360 Canada. All right, well that will do it for today. Join us 361 00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:37.519 back here on Monday, when we'll bring you the adventures of Frank Race. 362 00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:42.400 In the meantime, send your comments to Box thirteen at Great Detectives dot net, 363 00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:45.800 follow us on Twitter, Radio Detectives, and become one of our friends 364 00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:52.519 on Facebook, Facebook, dot com. Slash Radio Detectives from Boise, Idaho. 365 00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:54.239 This is your host, Adam Graham. Sign it off.