Hello, and welcome to Open Mind GUFO Radio. I'm your host, Alejandro
Rojas, and this is kind of funny. Oh and I should say I've
got our guest Martin the silent partner Willis. He's really good at being silent.
You're just because you're so good at it. Every time we start our
our skype you cannot hear me and they're silent. So man, it takes
a couple of minutes and we get it all worked out. We figure it
out. But speaking of what you can and cannot hear, everyone will be
hearing some noise in the background because we've got some new granite going in today
and there's just always so much going on that I got to keep rolling.
So hi, gee, weba was but let's see what we got to date.
Today's guest. Yeah, very exciting. This is really cool. It's
Jeremy Corbel. Oh. Yes, So if you may have seen that,
you know he's got this Skinwalker to hunt for Skinwalker documentary coming up, and
he just in the last couple of days has been posting about this on his
website, and so we talked about what did this all include and what he
told me is amazing. Wow, that place is amazing enough. I know
I will have to tune in and take a listen, and I want to
tell people more about, you know, all of these cool things that he
told me. It's funny because I'm sitting here trying to resist doing that,
and but you know, I want to save it and let him reveal that
in the show. But he gave me a lot of exciting stuff. And
it's kind of funny because I haven't told you yet, and so I want
to tell you. But you're gonna have to, can't. You're gonna have
to listen to the show. Yeah, So skin Walker, I just am
curious, what what you How would you explain what the Skinwalker phenomena of the
Skinwalker Ranches? Well, it seems really odd some of the things that happened
there. I read the book a number of years ago, and uh,
and of course I've talked to John Alexander and uh a few other people about
the happenings there. You know. I I think the most interesting thing is
when the supposed portal opened, when that thing crawled out whatever it was.
That and never mind the cameras going out and all these weird things, and
from what I understand, things are happening there again. But I think it's
age old. Whatever it is, it's been probably there for you know,
who knows, millennia. Maybe that's kind of my thoughts on it. Yeah,
and just so people know, it's it's a you know, in the
Uinta Valley in Utah, and yeah, it's just just ranch where these people
reported to strangeness. And Robert Bigelow, the billionaire we know that has been
involved with the DoD project. He's the one who got the money to investigate
the UFOs for the Department of Defense. He has been investigating that ranch with
the National Institute of Discovery Sciences also known as a NID'S for quite some time.
And now we know through documents that George Knapp has shared recently that you
know, the scope of the DoD investigation included much more than just the UFOs.
That that actually was a later phase that Elizondo had, you know,
refocused things on UFOs when earlier this Skinwalker ranch was a part of the big
part of that, and all these other weird phenomena were a part of it.
So very cool, crazy stuff, and so Skinwalker's really important. I
think there's going to be more news about all of this. I'm going to
be trying to write something up soon about all of that background that's been coming
out, and wild and wacky stuff really is some of the some of the
things that have happened there are so unexplainable and so strange. You know,
the huge wolf and all kinds of that was shot. I think, didn't
he shoot the wolf and nothing happened, no blood or anything. Yes,
supposedly this big, large wolf you know, came and it was just they
thought it was kind of friendly and kind of wandered around, but I guess
it was humongous and uh. But then it got near their their kind of
corral with their cattle, and it uh when it grabbed one of the cattle
and tried to rip it out in between these things. So they started shooting
at it, and I guess they were fairly close range, and they even
saw I think chucks had come off of this thing, and it didn't seem
phazed. And eventually I kind of looked at him and ran away. So
lots of strange, scary phenomena that occurred, but no people according to the
book. And I've talked with kelm Keller, her the main science guy before
and John Alexander, and according to all of them, no humans were ever
hurt, even though unfortunately some of the cattle on the ranch did indeed excepher
some pretty horrific fate. Fate, you know. I got to tell you
if I was that family that bought that ranch and all those things were happening,
I couldn't have lasted two days there. They they stayed, they hung
in in uh until they just couldn't take it anymore, you know. But
still, oh my god, the things that were happening, I just couldn't.
I couldn't take it. I don't know how they did it. Crazy
stuff, crazy stuff. So yeah, so that's what we'll be talking a
lot about and what's in this documentary, and it's very shocking and very important,
and it is new even though we're talking historically. It's new in that
we're discovering now what we didn't know before, which was the involvement of the
deal d and the funding and everything that happened in that way. So really
crazy, really cool. So otherwise, uh, I just wanted to share
it because this is really cool news that you know, my Den of Geek
article I wrote about like I had told people and we've talked about this.
My interview was Scott Kelly, but they finally posted an interview on Den of
Geek and it blew up. It did awesome, so, you know,
there were tons of hits the whole weekend. It was like the most popular
article, even though Den of Geek, you know, writes about lots of
really cool stuff, like all the hot stuff they're writing about Westworld, and
they get lots of scoops on the TV shows and the sci fi shows and
stuff like that. So it was really cool that that did really well,
and there's been lots of discussion, and what's fun and path this discussion is
you see a lot of names and people in there that aren't the regulars.
You know, they're not like the typical listeners of our shows. These are
different. These are people who go to Dentic Geek oft and so it's kind
of a different audience. So it's kind of fun to get in there and
see what people are commenting. And of course, for our listeners who are
a little more educated on this topic, it'll probably be fun for you all
to go in there and make your comments. Being the sage and wise people
who know quite a bit about this topic and so yeah, so that's always
good. Wow, well you get a star in your forehead for that article
doing so well one of your very first articles there, right, yeah,
it was my second article on that site. And now there of course that
from what I heard, I don't know the editor. I work with Chris
Longo, who's really really cool, great writer. I dentim geek. I
love this guy. He loves UFOs. He's right open minds. He's really
excited about it and has been for a while and he's kind of told me,
oh, you need to come over and write for us, and so
we finally came around to me happen And I'm loving it. But I guess
you know that some of the management were a little more hesitant, and now
they're stoked because he was right. You know, he told him people are
people love this kind of stuff. They're gonna love more space and science and
UFOs, and sure enough, you know, he was proved right. So
they're super happy with both of us and they want more of this, which
is great because there's so much credible news that is coming about and it's always
fun to introduce all of this information to a new audience. And that's what's
unique about the time we're in right now, there are more people open up
to hearing more about all of this, and I think that's really important.
You know, there's a lot of negativity I think in this field, wouldn't
you say, And I think that it's not necessarily warranted. I think right
now is a great time when people are opening up up to these topics.
Yes, unfortunately, I do see that as well, and you and I
talk a little bit about that every now and then. Off here, there
is some negativity, and you know, who knows why. You do see
some jealousy sometimes you see people stuck in certain ways that don't want to,
you know, advance any further and what they're what their deal is. So
yeah, there can be but it's still it's still a very interesting topic and
it'll be good that you're going to be writing about it in like a new
forum where there's it's such a busy website, dent a geek. I think
it's one of the top websites in the country as far as activity goes.
Yeah, a lot of people looking at it. And I also did a
little bit on their podcast, one of their podcasts, so they've got a
couple they've got one like called Channel zero and Sci Fi Fidelity. And I
can't say I didn't neglect to ask which exactly podcasts that would be on.
But they have a podcast site specifically, so you can go to Den of
Geek and click on the podcast button and it'll be up there soon. And
of course you can follow me on social media and I'll let people know once
that gets posted. But yeah, cool stuff, so and there are a
lot of fun so, yeah, this is a lot of fun. And
of course I love engaging different people, and I love talking with skeptics.
And you know, I think that people like our shows because we're more positive
and I if people are skeptical, that is completely fair. And I love
to have their input and talk like adults and be mature about this, which
is kind of a given in these circles. I don't know why I have
so many people have problems with I guess it's just social media. But sure
enough, you know, people are over there bashing on Scott Kelly and calling
him a liar and all of these things. And yeah, and you know
what, I've got to go to several NASA sites interview astronauts and NASA engineers
and people, and they have some of the highest integrity. It's refreshing,
it's fun, it's just such a positive environment. And there's so much positivity
when you talk to these people, and and and why it's educational. And
I put the link to Scott Kelly's discussion that he did that I got to
see it. It's hilarious. I mean, I highly recommend people go watch
this video. You definitely will not regret it. So I have just a
ton of respect for NASA and NASA employees, and I certainly do not get
the slightest bit of sense of deception by any of these people. I think
they're just sharing what they know. You know, these people like saying that,
you know, astronauts know something about you know, EPs or something.
Is that what it is? Yeah, that's essentially what they're saying. And
I don't know. I guess if you're not and you know too, I
guess in their defense, they just got to take my word for it.
They weren't there to meet Scott Kelly. They don't get to go meet these
people. But I would say that, you know, go meet people if
you're into space, and if you're into this topic. There are NASA scientists
that do talks all around the country. Many different states have NASA sites or
work that's going on that you can go visit. Of course, every university
has a lecture series where you can hear these types of people talking, or
go visit, you know, go to Johnson's Space Center or Marshall or some
of these places which are fun, super fun to visit because they have rockets
and they have all these cool things you can look at. They've got models
of big loads, you know, and moon bases and stuff, and you
get to really find out what it's like and even talk to some of these
people because they're open and they're excited about what they do. So go out
and meet people, talk with people, because I think that more secluded people
get, then the easier it is to not just get conspiratorial but also kind
of demonize people. And I don't think that's a positive atmosphere. Whereas the
situation we have now where people are kind of feeling more open, that's when
it's important for us to go begin and continue to engage people, because that's
when we can get people to open up more. I think right I have
a lot of respect for astronauts myself as well, because you know, it
just there's such an unusual breed. It's like they're one out of I don't
know, one out of millions can actually make it to you know, to
that level. You know they have the right stuff, so to speak.
So they're well and a big portion of the right stuff. And this is
something that is something I've learned in the last few years that actually one of
the highest priorities in choosing astronauts is a psychological profile. Is people that can
work with other people, people that are friendly. And that's why you see
so many astronauts that are that are really humble and friendly and outgoing, because
they've got to be able to be team you know, work in teams and
you know, be in secluded places for a long period of time with a
few people, and that can be difficult. If you're stuck in this little
pod with an a hole, you know, that's going to be a struggle
and someone might not survive that experience. But if you're you're with your buddy,
Like if it was like you and I could probably I wouldn't want to
do just you and I'd be nice to have a couple more buddies, but
we can probably you know, make it to a trip to Marson back and
have a good time. I think. So we made it through the conference,
yeah charmingly. Well, actually, I think so. And that can
be a high stress environment because of course you were learning new things and and
you know, it takes a lot of your attention. But you did a
great job. Well you did two under the stress. And I you know,
I've run a number of events myself, and I've actually lost it a
couple of times, you know, not not on people, but I mean
you just get so stressed out when you have all these things go wrong.
Sometimes that happens, you know. Yeah, yeah, Well, let's get
to some news. You got a piece of news you want to share with
us, I do. Speaking of NASA, NASA is actually sending a helicopter
to Mars. So this came out on space dot com. I actually saw
something on the news about this. So NASA will include a small autonomous helicopter
in the agency's upcoming Mars twenty twenty rover mission. The officials announced this on
May eleventh. The craft will undergo a thirty Now I wonder why they're just
sending one. I mean, what if one breaks? But anyway, maybe
it's a space thing, you know. I mean, they can only pack
so much, but this is a tiny thing. It's only about four pounds
one point eight kilograms. So the craft will undergo a thirty day test campaign
once it reaches the Red planet to demonstrate the viability of travel above the Martian
surface of the surface with a heavier than air craft. Now this has to
the roters have to actually turn about ten times faster than they would on Earth
because of the atmosphere is so thin there, and it's about the size of
a softball. But it's it's going to be kind of like a drone,
I would think. And the altitude record for a helicopter on Earth is about
forty thousand feet and what does it say. I think it will be able
to go up to on the surface of Mars up to one hundred thousand feet.
I believe it is. So it's interesting. I think it's a great
concept. And they will be able to actually, you know, cover a
lot more ground and really look around instead of you know, slowly roving across
the surface. Yeah, that is really cool, this little helicopter. And
so that's going to be interesting. And I guess it's a test, yeah,
for a bunch of helicopters flying around out there. Yeah, so the
future, may you know, maybe a series of so called helicopter drones or
whatever they're going to be called. M Yeah, this is a cool story,
I think, really cool one. And of course they're going to be
looking for microbial life. I don't know exactly how. I think there's uh,
it says something like twenty three cameras. I don't know how it could
be in such a small thing. The body of it's only the size of
like a softball, it says, tiny little sucker. Yeah it is.
Yeah, that's well. And of course the weight on you know, it
says it weighs four pounds, but on Mars, what would that be?
I don't know what the percentage is, but yeah, I don't know.
You can probably find that. But yeah, and that little softball thing must
be a little control panel and mostly motor and I guess I'll have to test.
I guess it's got two I think it's got two sets of propellers that
go in opposite direction, so they'll be testing. Yes, what you know,
how fast they need to spin in stuff to go up and down?
Would you guess that? What would you guess something like that would cost.
I mean, it just blows me away sometimes when I hear it. I
know, crisis. I would think if you went to Walmart, you could
get one for maybe forty bucks. But I'm guessing that NASSA paid two point
four million dollars. Yeah, I'd say it's at least a million. Yeah.
Yeah, So yeah, that's weird, pretty funny. A couple other
pieces of news. This is kind of cool so that we talked about,
you know, the Skinwalker ranch, and of course Jeremy and I will be
talking about this more in a minute, but it was picked up. George
Napp of course wrote about this about the DoD project, you know, and
the history, and there were people like Paul Deine and I think we talked
about this before, and some other people we mentioned them before that had discovered
some documents that alluded to this other earlier rendition of this investigation into paranormal Although
they didn't know the scope, they found the name and at least a job
posting on it, and then George Knap shared a lot more. But it
was picked up by the war Zone, the Times Ink website, the Drive,
Tyler Rogaway, who of course I had on the show a few weeks
ago. So that's awesome breaking that news is kind of breaking into the mainstream.
I want to write about it and maybe some others and maybe you know,
we can kind of push this out there some more. But another piece
of important news today, which is that NASA data from the nineties shows evidence
of plumes from Jupiter's moon Europa. So you know, Europa is suspected it's
this ice planet to have some underground oceans, and now these plume they suspect
our evidence of under ice water, so you know, more evidence for the
possibility of life on that's right, Jupiter's moon. And they may try to
you know, plant and mission that will actually look for, you know,
signs of life. I don't know within the plumes. I don't know exactly
how they would do something like that, but yeah, that's one thing.
Well, I guess one of the things that they can do is they can
have a just from a satellite from something to go there and fly around it.
They can pick up in the atmosphere some of this this oxygen, this
word, this water and from these plumes and then possibly look for microbes in
it. So that's one easy way to go about this sort of thing.
And then I've got a story actually on open Minds I wrote a couple of
years ago about you know, the research going into actually building a kind of
a rover, but a robot, but this is something that digs, so
they land it and then it drills under the ice and it's got cameras and
stuff and can kind of go underwater looking for life and stuff like that.
So why did this Why was this data not look through, you know,
really intensely after you know, the flyby and all that. You know what,
I don't know, that's a great question, and I think it just
has to do with a lot of times you know, this was I guess
data that was received from Hubble. So these telescopes and everything gather a ton
of data and they have to go through that data later on and look for
it that certain signatures and the data. So it just may have taken a
long time, or maybe they weren't looking at it right earlier so, or
some other technology that allows them to identify things they couldn't before. So it's
probably in the story. The New York Times wrote it, and I have
not actually read through the whole thing because it just came out today. But
yeah, check that out right right, check it out people. You can
find it on the front page of openminds dot tv. How convenient is that?
Mm hmm. And you can also find there the a link to the
Scott Kelly on den of Geek. And then I also posted a short Scott
Kelly story at open mind Scott TV where included some of my pictures because then
of Geek didn't they only like use one picture per story, but I put
several of my pictures of Scott Kelly right next to me, and then you
know, doing his stuff, and then of course a link to that talk
that he did. You got to check it out. You'll love it because
he's hilarious. So it's really good stuff. We're out of time, we
are, yes, well, thank you so much for joining us, Martin,
you are very welcome and one is always yep, always a good time.
And we'll be right back with Jeremy Corbel. So stay tuned, Welcome
back to the show. Very exciting show. Today. We've got Jeremy Corbel
on the phone. Hello, Hey, Alejandra, how you doing, man,
I'm doing awesome. And to start off, I just want people to
understand because I don't think they do like how important it is that there's something
new coming out about the Skinwalker Ranch, because really, since George Knapp's book
in two thousand and five and then the lectures that he did, I was
lucky enough to see several, one of which was with Comb Kelleher, who
of course we've talked about before because he works with big Low. That's like,
really it There's been lots of speculation, there's been people going to the
gate and the fence and looking through and everything, but there hasn't been anything
real. But somehow you have gained unprecedented access and how did this come about?
Yeah, it's pretty amazing. I think what you're right. I think
you are right, and I think it's really important, you know, for
people to understand that the information that came out of the ranch in the in
the twenty years that Bob Bigelow owned the ranch, it was so small and
it was in the form of the biggest part was in the form of a
book by George Knapp and doctor Colin Kelleher. But the actual investigations and the
NID studies and the bass studies and all this stuff that's in the news now
that was going on at the ranch the twenty two million that helped fund all
the studies of the ranch. It's been a mystery. So luckily there's been
a change of ownership and with that change of the guard, a different regime,
all of that information, this information George couldn't put out before. He
wanted to make a documentary, but you know, that was squashed. They
were worried that it was going to jeopardize the investigations. That archive, that
a cash shook record of footage during the time of active investigation at the ranch
that George documented, that can out now all come out, And so that's
why it's kind of right place, right time, and a lot of pestering
and we were able to get this footage and all the new stuff, the
years of new footage and investigation that I've been doing up there with George can
now all come out too. Mm hmm. That's pretty cool. And you
know, George is really good at kind of keeping things under wrap. As
a journalist, you know, you often have to do that. But he
you know, who knew really that there was ongoing investigation. I don't think
a lot of people knew that right Look, his position was he was given
the opportunity as a journalist to cover and follow and watch and document what was
going on there. He wasn't trying to hold secrets, you know, for
against anybody. He was actually trying to collect data so that when the time
was right, this sort of thing could happen. We owe him, you
know, a debt of gratitude for his perseverance over twenty plus years of documenting
and keeping this story fresh and alive. So, yeah, it's pretty amazing,
man. People are going to see for the first time footage of the
ranch in the ranch on the ranch under multiple ownership, and they're going to
see it in ways that we never expected the public was going to be able
to really, So, did you end up with more material and access and
even you thought you were going to have? Oh? Absolutely, I like,
you know, wrote down my wish list of how this movie would play
out, and not only did I hit every point on that wish list,
but also beyond that, there are some surprises in the film that people are
just going to be taken aback by, and I did not expect those things
to happen. That's the great thing about a docum metory is that you really
don't know what's going to happen until the final cut. Now, how long
has this documentary been in the works. Well, I mean you could say
it goes back to George Napp when he first started. He wanted to make
a documentary, but you know, Bob Bigelow and the scientific team and now
as we know now the government involvement, nobody wanted that footage to come out
because it would shine a bright light on the inside of Skinwalker Ranch. And
so you could say it's been in development since then. But as I've kind
of released those clips of me going through those archive boxes the treasure trove,
it's like Indiana Jones. You get to unearth these tapes that go back again
like twenty years. That actively, this documentary actively has been in process for
maybe three years, but really went into high gear when we saw the window
of opportunity that occurred with the new releases, which all relate back to the
ranch. Every road leads back to the ranch. The twenty two million,
the programs that everybody's aware of now it all leads back to the ranch.
Right, So that's interesting. I guess I want to get into that because
that is really very new information for the public that I think people haven't completely
digested yet, which is one of the exciting things for you and I to
talk about today. But I do want to get to the essentially your experience.
So how did you first come across the story and what was the impact
when you did find out about this crazy Skinwalker Ranch. Yeah, you know,
I think like most of the world, I learned about Skinwalker Ranch through
George Knapps and doctor Colin Keller's book. I think that's how most people were
given access to understand in more depth kind of what was going on there at
the ranch. So it was through my relation with George Knapp that I was
really shown the goods when it came to the ranch. Although a lot of
it couldn't be public when I was learning about it, you know, I
did get to see it from a unique perspective and through his eyes, and
it really altered my position because when you hear these stories. When I read
the book, it read like this great fictional account or something that might have
happened. Then you meet the scientists who were involved during those investigations, you
meet everybody who was hardcore involved in this who aren't necessarily public and out public
about it, and you start to feel, Wow, this story these experiences
are way more profound than I had first kind of given it credit. So
this is why I think the film will really open the Pandora's box. I
mean, it's your problem, eventually, the viewer, to deal with the
fact that these events happened, and these events change the way that we look
at the UFO phenomenon and the associated phenomenon. It's certainly changed the way our
Defense Intelligence Agency thought about the UFO phenomenon and the associated phenomena. They're they're
related. The things that we observe at the Ranch and the UFOs that are
seen across the world. It's related. So that is I guess getting back
to what you were referring to before, which is this, you know,
how all roads lead to Skinwalker Ranch and thus far. You know, we've
heard about the Department of Defense and you know from lou Elisondo investigating UFOs,
and that isn't too far fetch for some people. You know that that's wow,
quite a revelation for people like you and I not as big of a
revelation. But to then find out that that some of those funds went to
investigating this kind of paranormal ranch that is really unique and that is really different,
and luckily maybe for the better, that news is not really completely you
know, gotten out there or become a big part of the story because this
is so friggin weird. I mean that what goes on there is really strange.
Yeah, So the film really highlights those connections between, you know,
the programs that have been popularized now, starting from the twenty two million dollars
from Senator Harry Reid to the DIA's involvement, there have been major studies there.
They're all connected. The thing that I that I think you're touching upon
is that it is easy for the public to hear the words UFO investigation.
You know, we get that unknowns in the air. People are familiar with
a tip. But again there's something that has really not been clarified, and
the movie will clarify it. So the hint to it is that that twenty
two million dollars that was created to study the phenomenon was really inspired wholly by
Skinwalker Ranch and what Biglow had been doing there privately with Knids. So the
DA study of the Ranch under Bass that was wholly generated because of the twenty
two million, because of the book for the Skinwalker and what Bigelow had done
there for all those years with NIDS. I think that they're going to see,
the public is going to see about watching this film, that connection very
clearly, and that yes, our Department of Defense, specifically the intelligence organization
within the Department of Defense, the Defense Intelligence Agency, they took this very
seriously. They had to word the contracts in a way so they would be
pushed through without much thought. And if you look at the BASS contracts,
which I think George has made public, it's really clear that they're using these
terms that allow people to push those contracts through. But the entire point of
that twenty two million was to study the phenomenon, the associated phenomenon with UFOs
from a medical standpoint, from an observational standpoint, from a scientific standpoint,
and it's mind boggling, it's wild. But they took it very seriously,
and not only did our nation take it seriously, but other nations did too.
Hmm. And you get into that in a documentary in the bonus material,
Oh to the Doctor. The movie is a beast. The movie is
two hours and seven minutes, and that's not the director's cut. That's like
for the public, my first cut of this movie was almost three hours.
I mean, it is a beast of a movie. So there are going
to be five major bonus material pieces that accompany this film which are quite revealing.
M hm, that's fun. I'm really interested too, because you know,
I'm a huge fan of your work. I've told you that and every
time you come on the show, because something that you really do is,
you know, you take an intimate look into these individuals that are involved.
But also the pacing, the pacing feels natural and right, and so did
you have to kind of speed things up for this one to include more info?
You know, the pacing for this one. There's never a dull moment.
That's kind of always. My goal is not to lose a viewer for
even a second. So it should be visually aesthetic, it should tell the
story, and it should be intimate and from a first person standpoint. And
so I think I achieved all of those things in this film. So,
even with the extended length, the story has so many twists and turns.
It's so deep, it's so profound. What you hear the individuals saying in
this footage from the modern day interviews that have been going on for quite some
time, now we've actually spent a lot of time, you know, me
and the team in the Unita base and doing modern day interviews, which is
really quiet about it, but those interviews made it into this film. So
you've got the modern day with all the way back to the NIDS investigations as
they were happening on the ranch as they were developing. So all of that
footage is kind of pushed together, and I think the pace is strong for
a movie like this that spans so many years. It's it's a highly entertaining
movie. I think you won't be disappointed. And so you were, how
much of this film is is footage that was shot way back when you were
able to get your hands on gosh, you know, I'd have to say
it is about forty percent of the original footage you know, from from you
know, starting back all the way from nineteen ninety six when Bigelow bought the
ranch, and then you know, I'd say sixty percent is new footage.
That is so frickin' exciting. I'm excited. I realize that, and that
is so cool because you know, this is a subject when people read the
book, I think that you know, it's something that really changes people.
I know you saw this recent article by red Pill Junkier Buddy online and on
the Daily Grail. I think it was on and it you know, he
talks about that how you know, even though he's very skeptical minded, hit,
this is just so much happen here and there's so much credibility. It
screwed with his brain. His brain is still twist every time he thinks about
it. And I think that's how most people feel, just because it's so
odd. But it seems like these things really occurred. So to hear that
there's footage from back when all of this being was being developed, that sort
of insight alone, let alone the modern you know perspectives, that sounds it's
just that's a lot. Yeah, what you're saying, you know, the
credibility of this again, I like to say, it really is your problem.
It's it's not, you know, it's the viewer's problem because you have
to, you know, kind of assimilate this data. It's beyond looking at
it as credibility. Our Defense Intelligence Agency thought it was credible, you know,
George Not for twenty plus years thought it was credible. Robert Bigelow,
who spent more money as an individual than anybody who owns an aerospace program thought
it was credible, thinks it's credible, knows is credible. So the basis
of his interview with sixty Minutes, where he says, I know that there
are aliens, I know that they live among us. I don't give a
damn. All of that is based upon his you know, research and interest
and work with our government at the Ranch. So it's beyond credibility. These
events happen, and you'll hear it directly from the witnesses who experienced them,
because George was documenting that the whole way through. Wow. So it's been
really hard because you know, I've interviewed quite a few people and had some
shows and you know, on this topic because it's a fascinating topic. And
one of our YouTube videos that has done the best is when we talked to
John Alexander because a lot of the people involved with the investigation are hard pressed.
I've even talked with Colm and just kind of baffled, hard pressed when
you ask him what when on there? And I think that I loved this
statement by Alexander. You know he didn't, nor has anybody really talked about
aliens. So we'll talk more about that. But Alexander called it a precognitive
sentient phenomenon. Yeah, that's accurate. I love that statement because it's intelligent.
It outsmarted them, that's what they all say. But it seemed to
be pre cognitive. It seemed to know what they were up to. Yeah,
as doctor Colin Kelliher has said, it was a real fly in the
ointment that it is not an easy way to explain it saying it's aliens.
Right there, certainly are UFOs hard physical craft that occur in the Uinta basein
Remember, the ranch is just a living laboratory in a hot spot in one
of the many hot spots on this earth that we know about. So the
lab the ranch itself. It's not that the ranch is a magical boundary line
of property. It just happens to be a place was conveniently a living laboratory
in a hot spot. Now, the fire in the ointment is that,
no, you can't just say it's aliens because the phenomena that are expressed,
and as Robert Bigelo would say, the performances that occurred on the ranch were
so varied they never exactly repeated themselves. So as scientist, that was very
frustrating because you can't look at something and just say, hey, repeat that
result. It was always altering depending on the observation. I mean, it
really is Schrodinger's cat of the paranormal. It was very wild. However,
a lot was learned during that time. We might not be able to answer
any of the questions that were originally you know, set forward to answer.
However, there are things that were learned from the investigations, and that's what
I find really interesting. So back when all they started, for instance,
Harry Reid, did he visit the ranch. Yeah, So I can't speak,
you know, for him personally, but I know that it was his
interest in the overall topic and the people that he associated with that really propelled
him forward to help secure the ability for this study to ongo and continue and
maybe even in more depth. It was not a sweetheart deal to Bob Bigelow.
That is just utter nonsense. Big Low lost money. The reason they
picked him was because he had the lowest bid. He was willing to put
the most of his own money into it. So it was really it's really
funny. You know, everybody's looking for a big conspiracy, a big money
conspiracy. No, you've got a guy like you and me who's so fascinated
by this and figures that it with the right resources, he can find some
answers. And sure enough, he tried, and he put everything beared no
expense. He did his best. He had a lot of people involved who
were, you know, really great into visuals. Do have involved? So
I don't know Harry read his personal interest in this topic. I think George
has covered that to the degree we can, which is, you know,
he finds it very credible. He has reasons like any individual would why he
thinks that were there DA guys that visited the ranch? I guess were there
government and or military that visited the ranch during this period of time? Yeah,
I don't think that's really a secret at this point that you know,
Bass was a DIA program period. So the answer is yes, And that's
it's fascinating. I mean, one of the reasons is fascinating is I've been,
you know, really close in that I talked to George on a regular
basis as part of MUFUND when Big Low approached mouf on and I was on
the board and everything, so but I never knew all of the this other
stuff was going on, and and that's not a complaint whatsoever, because I
you know, even as a journalist, when things are embargoed, you can't
share them. Even you and I as researchers or you know, you working
in journalism or as an investigative reporter, there are things that were told that
we can't share, and so it speaks to our integrity and that's how we
work with others when we don't share those things. Yeah, I mean,
yeah, for two years I was on the tic TAC story talking with the
primary witness, and you know, like I could not had no way to
shield that individual from that from the information getting out, and you know,
I helped to encourage to make sure that information did come out. But yeah,
I got a tip, worked it for two years, had to do
it quietly because of respect. So I hear what you're saying. Yeah,
so I mean and to me though that that I mean, I see that
as a positive thing, whereas you know that it speaks to their professionalism of
all these people we work with, because I know, you know, they've
occasionally shared things with me. But to many though, that's what's frustrating.
I guess it's not a positive thing. They see secrecy and they see conspiracy.
So, for instance, if we get to Bigelow, all of these
negative aspects or things that say that are really negative looking for conspiracies with Bigelow,
I think that they have not listened to what he personally has to say
or paid attention to his actions because she said, you know, I've said
this before too. He's like us, He's interested in this stuff, and
so he's putting his resources towards it. Yeah, we owe a big debt
of gratitude for what Robert Bigelow has done behind the scenes to help get towards
you know, UFO truth by working with you know, government agencies to his
own personal endeavors like NIDS was a holy private endeavor. You know. People
they don't like secrecy, well they should get off their butts and start to
bring information forward and seek rather than sitting behind a computer screen waiting for everybody
else to tell them the news. I really don't have sympathy for that.
I think that when people say, well that shouldn't be held secret, well
then they have never been in the position where they're allowed to be part of
looking at something with the agenda bringing it out when the appropriate time comes.
And that's exactly what George did for you know, twenty plus years, and
luckily that's what I'm able to do now. But you know that it's a
really it's a shameful thing. You know, people that you know complain like
that, Well they should get off their butts and start doing research. Amen.
Brother. So we're already at the end of this first segment, so
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We are back. You're listening to Open Mind GFO Radio. I'm your host,
Alejandro Rojas, and we're here with Jeremy Corbel, the creator of the
new documentary Hunt for the skin Walker. Now, when is it coming out
and where will people be able to see it? Well, it will be
coming out late summer, hopefully sooner the better, but that's where we're at
right now is late summer. I'll be finding the exact date within the next
week of when it will be launching and available. I'm sure pre orders will
be up on iTunes soon. You will be able to see it everywhere.
And that's all I can say right now. But you will be able to
see it everywhere. Main point is it will be available for like pre purchase
with all those bonus materials pretty darn soon. And you just released I think
even today was the first day, or maybe it was yesterday. This amazing
poster. Is this what the cover of the movie is going to be?
Or or a poster that was promotional? Oh no, that's yeah, that's
the that's the movie poster you'll be seeing on all digital platforms where it's available.
That's the one. I love it. This wolf coming out of the
ground looks like rocks with a you know the actual homestead too, which is
a side of high activity. Wow at parm you know, at this paranormal
ranch, high activity at Skinwalker Ranch on top of the wolf's head. It's
pretty wild. It's from actual images taken out at the ranch. Oh wow,
it is so flip and cool. This poster is amazing. So getting
back to now, very few people. Of course, if you want to
know more about the ranch, you got to read the Hunt for the skin
Walker or wait for And or wait for Jeremy's film. Definitely check out the
film, but I guess just for those few people, because there's going to
be a handful of listeners even though I cover this topic quite a bit,
who aren't aware. So maybe you can in a nut all as much as
you can describe. And you've probably been asked to do this because in media
often you know, you got to go do pictures and they're like, what's
the nutshell? What is it? What is it about? What do you
tell them? It's you know, actually all hunter, you're the very first
interview that I'm doing. I delivered the film yesterday in its full form,
but I can wrap this up in a super simple way for people to look
at. So what a Skinwalker ranch? Right? So, based on this
best selling book by George Knapp and doctor Kellum hurr By, you know,
they had a book out, Hunt for the Skinwalker, This that I'm putting
out it's a documentary kind of relative relating to this book, but it's really
about the ranch and it's the most intensive scientifically studied paranormal hot spot in human
history. That's what this ranch is, and that is definitive. It's famous
now all throughout the world because of the myriad of like strange and frightening encounters
and things seen at this ranch, everything from mothers and UFOs to seemingly paranormal
events. This has been happening for hundreds of years in the Uenta Basin,
but the ranch itself seems to be a hub for this, a hot spot
within a hot spot. There's animal mutilations, current animal mutilations, not just
twenty years ago. It's happening to this day for local ranchers. Again,
there's poltergeist like activity, there's creatures. That's the thing about the ranch is
really strange dimensional portholes. A physicist and another scientist watched this being crawl out
of an orange dimensional porthole looking through night vision goggles while they were kind of
on the hunt on the ranch to observe and figure out what this stuff is.
The phenomena that's expressed that the ranch is so astounding, and it is
about UFOs, but it's about associated phenomena. This ranch was owned by Robert
Bigelow Aerospace mogul Biglow Aerospace has an interest in the subject for a long time,
and he deployed PhD level scientists. Millions of dollars of equipment and personnel
was invested in this, and then the US government's Defense Intelligence Agency took notice
and sponsored a massive study to determine what lurks at this ranch to see if
it was a national security threat. So secrets have been kept, big secrets
about this ranch and for more than i'd say two decades, and everybody's wondered,
what's going on there. We don't have photos, we don't have videos.
This has been embargoed, this information, all of that has changed and
this story can now be told and it will feature original and rare footage from
the ranch during the time of investigations. That's how I can best explain it.
Mm hm. And you're the guy. You know a lot of people
I think would be asking why you why this Jeremy guy. That's like what
my mom asked. Well, I don't know. It's like not coveted a
position. It's a difficult thing to get a movie like this out. It's
highly stressful. But no, I think it was Look George Knapp has been
a mentor to me in journalism, and over those years I have been able
to witness and look at some of what he has been looking at for decades.
And this was something that really, you know, the timing was right,
the change of the guard. Nobody else could have done this but George
Knapp. And luckily as a filmmaker there I am ready to do this film.
So it was you know, consider it luck but it's like being in
the right place at the right time. But also I was ready for this
mm wow. And you know I can see it because I'm a huge fan
of your work, and that's what makes it so exciting. I'm excited about
even if you're gonna whatever mundane little thing you do, you focus on because
you do such a great job I think in making anything interesting, but let
alone something that is just you know, intuitively amazing. This ought to be
great. But I'm curious, was there an incident in particular that stands out
to you and or that you really focused on that was maybe meaningful in the
documentary? Right? You know, there's so much to cover in a documentary
like this, and we're all looking for the evidence. You know, what
is evidence is witness, testimony, evidence. You know what types of documents
are evidence. So for me in this film, I really tried to make
sure that all the work that George did and he filmed, that all of
that could be told in these like news segments where he's reporting to you through
all those decades, but then also tying that in to the current modern day
situation at the ranch. Now. People are going to learn a lot from
this film. I think it's going to be very hopeful. I think that
they're going to be very encouraged. And I think, personally going there a
multitude of times and having my own ability to experience this property and the surrounding
area, the most profound thing to me is the way that this high strangeness
is accepted by the local culture, and how it's a part of everyday life,
and how they won't readily, the locals won't readily just talk to people
about it because it is so outside of our consensus reality that they don't feel
like they need to explain themselves to anybody. But when you are in their
trust, and we were the first crew ever to get permits from the w
went to nation, from the sovereign nation to film at these locations on the
reservation and take that footage off for a movie. We were the first.
It's not like when Joe Rogan is out there and he's standing on the peripheral
of skin Walker and not even close and does some stupid show about it that
tells you nothing. Right. This is a hardcore, deep, long term
investigation, a multi general, a multigeneration investigation. So I really am proud
of this movie. I think people are going to love it. I think
it's could be entertaining. I think it's could be highly highly informative, you
know, And you bring up a great point and John Alexander brings up this
point often as well, and I think that's what's going to be different and
about this film and why this is important, which is a lot of you
know, people have heard about this, maybe read the book, and so
they decide they're going to shoot a documentary and they're going to include it or
an episode of this show or that show, and they do just what Joe
Rogan does. They go they stand outside the gates, maybe when the lights
go down, you know, the sun goes down, they walk around it
with their night vision outside the gates for a little while, and of course,
nothing happens, and like John Alexander was noting, you know, things
would happen, but it was far and few between. So the chances of
you going there and even spending a few days and having some sort of paranormal
experience are low because you know, even if a dozen occurrences happen in an
entire year, that's a big deal. That's a lot of occurrences, and
so you have to really delve in, like you said, like nobody's ever
done before. Yeah, you know, this place is a paranormal Disneyland man,
And it's like saying you went to the gates of Disneyland and you stood
outside, you don't know what, you know what the matter horn is like
Space Mountain is like so yeah, and it's funny. Some of the things
will be revealed, like some of the people that you know were invited to
come with me and George one time, who you'll see in the film.
You know, he a buddy of mine. He turns me. It's middle
of the night, Skinwalker Ranch. It's like two in the morning. We're
walking through homestead too, and we are alone, and he turns me and
he says, you know, this is like hunting for the proverbial paranormal needle
in the haystack. We're here for a weekend, and the Knids team spent
seven years day and night and had one hundred incidents over seven years day and
night, one hundred incidents. And I said, yeah, it's the proverbial
paranormal neda on the haystack, right, it's really funny. Yeah, you
know, you can't be a fly by night person to get the real story.
You can go outside the gates and bother the people that live there,
which is really stupid to do. But I mean you can do that and
get a cool little YouTube video, but that is not an in depth investigation
that is again multi generational and multi decade, and that's what I'm hoping to
present to people in this film. It's not a different point. And I
think what I hope happens and it may, is that you know, Area
fifty one, for instance, is huge. I mean, it's the world.
It's everybody knows this term and this idea. That's George Knapp, really
he gets to me. Of course it was covering Bob Blazaar, but he's
the one who was brave enough to go out and share that information. The
book made a big splash. But of course we're a visual That's how we
kind of consume information these days, is the visual, and that hasn't happened.
We haven't had this documentary. Like you said, George has been trying
to make it. And now that it comes out, you know, Skinwalker
the Ranch may go Area fifty one, which would be great and it would
be I think you're the right person to be able to help do that.
Oh, I you know, absolutely, you know, for better or for
worse, this movie has been picked up for mass distribution. The eyes on
this from outside the UFO, the paranormal world, just every day, modern
day citizens of the world. This is going to have so much viewership.
I always make the joke, you know, Skinwalker Ranch is the Area fifty
one of the paranormal And it's true. It has been so secret, it
has been so held tight the car it's been held tight on this one.
It's all about to come spilling out, and it's going to come spilling out
in grand fashion. Everybody's gonna be able to see this movie. The audience
size is going to be hugely increased. Again for better or for worse,
but people are going to learn the real story about Skinwalker Ranch, big questions,
disturbing answers. I mean it's true, so yeah, it's gonna be
great. Man. You mentioned Bob Blazar. I just want to say,
Man, I'm putting this movie out. It's coming out soon. But definitively,
my Bob Blazar movie will be available in December at the end of this
year. There's no change in that timeline. So another thirty year story,
one that I personally want to know, the story I've always wanted to know
more about that is coming out. I'm making that documentary full in all in,
Bob Blazar is one hundred percent behind it. It is an approved,
definitive documentary. Yep. Exciting, very very exciting stuff. Now, when,
like I guess, my question would be this, there were some incidences
where for instant, animals were hurt, Like you say, cattle mutilations,
your cover or your artwork kind of harkens to this event where this giant wolf
kind of came out that the ranchers saw and tried to eat one of their
try to rip it through the gates there, through the bars. But at
least in the period of time that I've heard about and in the time of
the book where the book was written. No people were ever hurt, scared
out of their wits, but not physically harmed. Is that still the case?
Yeah, absolutely correct. There's a lot of myth and rumor, and
that happens when you keep something so locked down. The ridiculous story about alien
firefights and all this weird stuff at the ranch never happened, definitively garbage information,
but it's easy to insert. This is why Bob Lazar is coming forward
again with me after thirty years, because it's easy to insert your own fantasy,
unchallenged about things when you don't have an account and accurate account out there
about what happened. So that's what this is going to do. It's going
to push away the rumor bring in the truth, and the truth is stranger
than fiction. No, no humans have been hurt I mean psychologically absolutely.
I mean it's terrorized people absolutely. And then go ahead, Oh, I
was going to say the effect because, like you said, although they haven't
been physically harmed, everyone I've spoken to who you know was part of the
investigation was affected psychologically. I mean as that did you run across a lot
of that and were how affected were people that you talked to. Yeah.
I mean there are some very dramatic moments in my film that were unexpected and
you will see that. I mean, maybe even I underestimated the impact that
can be had when people engage the phenomenon. These are close encounters. Let's
be really clear to people talk about close encounters. This is close encounters.
You don't get any closer than this. The events at Skinwalker Ranch and at
the Uinta Basin, these are close encounter experiences, both UFO and something else
and intelligence that we don't understand that's related to UFO. So it really expands
your understanding of eufology. It expands your understanding of what it is. We
might be looking at why our government was assessing it as a threat, why
they thought there were things that could be gleaned from it, both for space,
time travel, dimensional wormhole stuff, but also the idea of is it
a threat? I mean, those are big questions. So I think that
people are affected on two levels. I think on one level, there's a
total reorganization of how you see your self in the world and what the world
is. So that's one version. It's not negative. It's just the version
of saying, wow, I need to really change the way I look at
the world and what reality is. And that's a psychological effect. Other psychological
effect can be that you see or encounter something that you can't handle, and
that has been a detrimental thing because you know, it has been said there
are hitchhikers in this type of experience. Things can follow you home. This
is something that is commonly talked about even within in Defense intelligence circles about the
Ranch, and that will become made that will be made clear in my film,
but that is a term that is used, hitchhiker. Interesting and we
do know, especially from George Knapp's recent story about Skinwalker the Ranch and its
involvement and in the DIA or Pentagon investigation, that people were concerned about this
research for religious reasons as well. Yeah, there was a contingency and actually
Harry Reid talked about that in one of the reports that he was featured in
by George Knapp, which is that, Yeah, there was a contingency of
religious individuals within the Defense Intelligence Agency that thought the study of this was essentially
invoking demons and that you know, UFOs or these beings or creatures, that
this was demonic in nature and they tried to and maybe in some areas successfully
squashed some of the research. But look, it's just like if you go
to a pool party. You know there's going to be people that are highly
religious and have certain fundamental ideas there too. So I don't see it as
that bizarre. But when it starts influencing the threat assessment of our nation,
then I think it is important to look at it and say, no,
you know, is this right? But yeah, there was and is a
contingency within the Defense Intelligence Agency that is highly religious and believes that this type
of study is studying something that is demonic and shouldn't be done. That's really
fascinating now. With the New York Times story that came out in December,
it puts a lot of pressure on the d D and the DA to speak
to this issue, and they haven't been necessarily consistent or clear in doing that.
In fact, they've been very quiet. If your film takes off like
you know it should, do you have any sense of how they may react,
Have you gotten any trepidation or communication on that? And thus far have
they told you like, just please don't do this. No, there's been
no restrictions put on my film in any way. In fact, it's been
informed from some very interesting angles. I think that everybody is looking at it
the same way. They're eager to see what's contained within the film. I
do think that there is obviously some people who were part of this endeavor who
want this information out, and I think that the intelligence community will obviously,
you know, be interested to see the film because they were part of this
study. They were part of this investigation. I also think that the releases
that we saw from the New York Times and whatnot, that, yeah,
people are confused because look out of three different spokespersons for the Pentagon, there
were only two cons distant statements. They literally read from a script, and
they told us two things when questioned, both of which were lies. For
example, they said that the study ended in twenty twelve. That is a
lie that is incorrect. There's a difference between one funding source drying up and
the program ceasing to exist. So they have taken a position they probably don't
even know the truth. These spokespeople, they don't even know the truth.
They don't even have the right name when they're talking about a tip, so
they obviously don't have all the right information or they're being given the goods to
sell to us and their lies. So it's really interesting half of you know,
some people want this out, some people don't, and we have to
sort out what's real and what's not real. And it's a tough job.
But thank god, the UFO community has really voracious appetite and really good investigators,
people that won't back down and will look for this information. Grateful and
grateful for that. Yeah, not only the UFO community, but I mean
the public is really interested in this stuff, even if they're quiet about it
and kind of shy about it. You know, they're clicking and they're watching
the videos and reading the stories and everything. What a year for UFOs.
I mean, they said nineteen sixty nine the government study of UFO stopped,
and then we all of a sudden find out that's not true. And not
only do we find out that's not true, we find out that there's probably
more going on than just the little A Tip program, the tiny little A
tip program, that there's probably a much bigger program. Yea, so we're
going to learn more about that. Well, we're out of time. Thank
you so much. This is incredible. I mean, not only is this
an event, I mean It's something that's going to generate a lot of activity
for years to come, no doubt, and things for us to talk about
and interactions at higher levels. This is really important stuff. So super excited,
very excited you're the guy doing this. Congratulations and thank you so much
for coming back to the show. Thanks so much for having me on,
Alejandro. It's always a pleasure. And yes, I'm very excited. This
year will be very big and hunt for the skin Walker the movie. It's
going to be a watershed moment where people get so much more information that they
can then begin to understand the story from So I'm really excited that the public
can now engage this information. Thank you so much to Jeremy for joining us
today. I mean, I don't know about you, but I am extremely
excited for his documentary Skinwalker. If you're not aware of skin Walker, I
know we kind of glossed over a lot of stuff because we assume people were
aware. If you're not aware, you should be because it's an amazing case.
A lot of people agree it's it just one of the most amazing.
So if you want to kind of get up to speed, check out that
daily grail that I had talked about by a red pilled junkie. Also check
out the book Hunt for the skin Walker. I think you can find it
definitely on Amazon and in any bookstore. But it's an amazing case and it'll
make you that much more excited for this new documentary. And of course George
Knapp's right in the middle of it, so if he's involved, you know
it's going to have amazing stuff. You can also go to Extraordinary Beliefs to
find out more about Jeremy and his work. He's got a lot of really
great documentaries and of course that's when you're going to find out when you'll have
the Bob Blazar thing ready and everything. Speaking of amazing stuff, you should
check out ufocongress dot com. The store has new amazing products. So some
of the T shirts. The T shirts we had this year were so cool.
Eric McFarlane are odd artists who I'm a huge fan of, did some
incredible stuff and we have some We printed a ton of T shirts so we
can have some extra, so check that out. Otherwise, thank you to
Caleb Hanks for the opening end close music. Thank you to Systematics for the
bumper music, and thank you to Martin of podcast, UFO for joining us,
for the news and of course as usual, thank you the listener and
until next time, Audios smooth ators. Moss