WEBVTT 1 00:00:40.079 --> 00:00:44.240 Hello, and welcome to Open Mind GUFO Radio. I'm your host, Alejandro 2 00:00:44.439 --> 00:00:48.000 Rojas, and this is kind of funny. Oh and I should say I've 3 00:00:48.039 --> 00:00:57.119 got our guest Martin the silent partner Willis. He's really good at being silent. 4 00:00:57.640 --> 00:01:00.000 You're just because you're so good at it. Every time we start our 5 00:01:00.200 --> 00:01:07.159 our skype you cannot hear me and they're silent. So man, it takes 6 00:01:07.200 --> 00:01:11.200 a couple of minutes and we get it all worked out. We figure it 7 00:01:11.239 --> 00:01:14.560 out. But speaking of what you can and cannot hear, everyone will be 8 00:01:14.640 --> 00:01:19.159 hearing some noise in the background because we've got some new granite going in today 9 00:01:19.680 --> 00:01:25.319 and there's just always so much going on that I got to keep rolling. 10 00:01:26.200 --> 00:01:32.239 So hi, gee, weba was but let's see what we got to date. 11 00:01:32.840 --> 00:01:38.599 Today's guest. Yeah, very exciting. This is really cool. It's 12 00:01:38.680 --> 00:01:42.480 Jeremy Corbel. Oh. Yes, So if you may have seen that, 13 00:01:42.599 --> 00:01:48.079 you know he's got this Skinwalker to hunt for Skinwalker documentary coming up, and 14 00:01:48.400 --> 00:01:52.560 he just in the last couple of days has been posting about this on his 15 00:01:52.680 --> 00:01:57.680 website, and so we talked about what did this all include and what he 16 00:01:57.840 --> 00:02:07.040 told me is amazing. Wow, that place is amazing enough. I know 17 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:10.360 I will have to tune in and take a listen, and I want to 18 00:02:10.400 --> 00:02:14.599 tell people more about, you know, all of these cool things that he 19 00:02:14.639 --> 00:02:16.560 told me. It's funny because I'm sitting here trying to resist doing that, 20 00:02:17.080 --> 00:02:23.240 and but you know, I want to save it and let him reveal that 21 00:02:23.319 --> 00:02:27.520 in the show. But he gave me a lot of exciting stuff. And 22 00:02:27.520 --> 00:02:30.599 it's kind of funny because I haven't told you yet, and so I want 23 00:02:30.639 --> 00:02:34.159 to tell you. But you're gonna have to, can't. You're gonna have 24 00:02:34.199 --> 00:02:38.039 to listen to the show. Yeah, So skin Walker, I just am 25 00:02:38.120 --> 00:02:42.719 curious, what what you How would you explain what the Skinwalker phenomena of the 26 00:02:42.840 --> 00:02:49.280 Skinwalker Ranches? Well, it seems really odd some of the things that happened 27 00:02:49.280 --> 00:02:52.639 there. I read the book a number of years ago, and uh, 28 00:02:52.719 --> 00:02:57.439 and of course I've talked to John Alexander and uh a few other people about 29 00:02:58.199 --> 00:03:00.960 the happenings there. You know. I I think the most interesting thing is 30 00:03:01.000 --> 00:03:07.319 when the supposed portal opened, when that thing crawled out whatever it was. 31 00:03:07.960 --> 00:03:15.080 That and never mind the cameras going out and all these weird things, and 32 00:03:15.120 --> 00:03:20.400 from what I understand, things are happening there again. But I think it's 33 00:03:20.520 --> 00:03:25.080 age old. Whatever it is, it's been probably there for you know, 34 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:30.199 who knows, millennia. Maybe that's kind of my thoughts on it. Yeah, 35 00:03:30.319 --> 00:03:34.319 and just so people know, it's it's a you know, in the 36 00:03:34.719 --> 00:03:40.719 Uinta Valley in Utah, and yeah, it's just just ranch where these people 37 00:03:40.800 --> 00:03:47.919 reported to strangeness. And Robert Bigelow, the billionaire we know that has been 38 00:03:47.960 --> 00:03:54.680 involved with the DoD project. He's the one who got the money to investigate 39 00:03:54.719 --> 00:04:00.759 the UFOs for the Department of Defense. He has been investigating that ranch with 40 00:04:00.840 --> 00:04:04.759 the National Institute of Discovery Sciences also known as a NID'S for quite some time. 41 00:04:05.280 --> 00:04:15.519 And now we know through documents that George Knapp has shared recently that you 42 00:04:15.560 --> 00:04:24.600 know, the scope of the DoD investigation included much more than just the UFOs. 43 00:04:24.720 --> 00:04:28.720 That that actually was a later phase that Elizondo had, you know, 44 00:04:28.800 --> 00:04:33.319 refocused things on UFOs when earlier this Skinwalker ranch was a part of the big 45 00:04:33.360 --> 00:04:38.160 part of that, and all these other weird phenomena were a part of it. 46 00:04:38.360 --> 00:04:44.560 So very cool, crazy stuff, and so Skinwalker's really important. I 47 00:04:44.560 --> 00:04:46.879 think there's going to be more news about all of this. I'm going to 48 00:04:46.920 --> 00:04:50.519 be trying to write something up soon about all of that background that's been coming 49 00:04:50.639 --> 00:04:58.560 out, and wild and wacky stuff really is some of the some of the 50 00:04:58.600 --> 00:05:02.160 things that have happened there are so unexplainable and so strange. You know, 51 00:05:02.279 --> 00:05:08.480 the huge wolf and all kinds of that was shot. I think, didn't 52 00:05:08.480 --> 00:05:11.120 he shoot the wolf and nothing happened, no blood or anything. Yes, 53 00:05:11.160 --> 00:05:15.759 supposedly this big, large wolf you know, came and it was just they 54 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:20.000 thought it was kind of friendly and kind of wandered around, but I guess 55 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:25.600 it was humongous and uh. But then it got near their their kind of 56 00:05:25.600 --> 00:05:30.000 corral with their cattle, and it uh when it grabbed one of the cattle 57 00:05:30.040 --> 00:05:33.759 and tried to rip it out in between these things. So they started shooting 58 00:05:33.759 --> 00:05:38.720 at it, and I guess they were fairly close range, and they even 59 00:05:38.759 --> 00:05:41.839 saw I think chucks had come off of this thing, and it didn't seem 60 00:05:41.879 --> 00:05:46.480 phazed. And eventually I kind of looked at him and ran away. So 61 00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:51.879 lots of strange, scary phenomena that occurred, but no people according to the 62 00:05:51.879 --> 00:05:59.360 book. And I've talked with kelm Keller, her the main science guy before 63 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:03.319 and John Alexander, and according to all of them, no humans were ever 64 00:06:03.439 --> 00:06:11.759 hurt, even though unfortunately some of the cattle on the ranch did indeed excepher 65 00:06:13.079 --> 00:06:17.519 some pretty horrific fate. Fate, you know. I got to tell you 66 00:06:17.519 --> 00:06:20.959 if I was that family that bought that ranch and all those things were happening, 67 00:06:21.680 --> 00:06:28.360 I couldn't have lasted two days there. They they stayed, they hung 68 00:06:28.399 --> 00:06:31.680 in in uh until they just couldn't take it anymore, you know. But 69 00:06:31.839 --> 00:06:35.519 still, oh my god, the things that were happening, I just couldn't. 70 00:06:35.800 --> 00:06:40.360 I couldn't take it. I don't know how they did it. Crazy 71 00:06:40.399 --> 00:06:45.600 stuff, crazy stuff. So yeah, so that's what we'll be talking a 72 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:49.279 lot about and what's in this documentary, and it's very shocking and very important, 73 00:06:50.000 --> 00:06:55.399 and it is new even though we're talking historically. It's new in that 74 00:06:55.480 --> 00:06:59.720 we're discovering now what we didn't know before, which was the involvement of the 75 00:06:59.759 --> 00:07:05.560 deal d and the funding and everything that happened in that way. So really 76 00:07:05.600 --> 00:07:14.480 crazy, really cool. So otherwise, uh, I just wanted to share 77 00:07:14.480 --> 00:07:17.160 it because this is really cool news that you know, my Den of Geek 78 00:07:17.279 --> 00:07:21.000 article I wrote about like I had told people and we've talked about this. 79 00:07:21.160 --> 00:07:26.720 My interview was Scott Kelly, but they finally posted an interview on Den of 80 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:30.399 Geek and it blew up. It did awesome, so, you know, 81 00:07:30.439 --> 00:07:34.199 there were tons of hits the whole weekend. It was like the most popular 82 00:07:34.839 --> 00:07:39.120 article, even though Den of Geek, you know, writes about lots of 83 00:07:39.199 --> 00:07:42.759 really cool stuff, like all the hot stuff they're writing about Westworld, and 84 00:07:43.000 --> 00:07:45.920 they get lots of scoops on the TV shows and the sci fi shows and 85 00:07:45.959 --> 00:07:48.360 stuff like that. So it was really cool that that did really well, 86 00:07:48.399 --> 00:07:53.160 and there's been lots of discussion, and what's fun and path this discussion is 87 00:07:53.199 --> 00:07:56.560 you see a lot of names and people in there that aren't the regulars. 88 00:07:56.560 --> 00:07:59.720 You know, they're not like the typical listeners of our shows. These are 89 00:07:59.720 --> 00:08:03.959 different. These are people who go to Dentic Geek oft and so it's kind 90 00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:07.120 of a different audience. So it's kind of fun to get in there and 91 00:08:07.160 --> 00:08:11.800 see what people are commenting. And of course, for our listeners who are 92 00:08:11.800 --> 00:08:15.759 a little more educated on this topic, it'll probably be fun for you all 93 00:08:15.879 --> 00:08:20.480 to go in there and make your comments. Being the sage and wise people 94 00:08:20.639 --> 00:08:26.560 who know quite a bit about this topic and so yeah, so that's always 95 00:08:26.560 --> 00:08:33.080 good. Wow, well you get a star in your forehead for that article 96 00:08:33.320 --> 00:08:35.320 doing so well one of your very first articles there, right, yeah, 97 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:39.120 it was my second article on that site. And now there of course that 98 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:43.639 from what I heard, I don't know the editor. I work with Chris 99 00:08:43.759 --> 00:08:46.120 Longo, who's really really cool, great writer. I dentim geek. I 100 00:08:46.120 --> 00:08:52.720 love this guy. He loves UFOs. He's right open minds. He's really 101 00:08:52.720 --> 00:08:56.200 excited about it and has been for a while and he's kind of told me, 102 00:08:56.240 --> 00:08:58.360 oh, you need to come over and write for us, and so 103 00:08:58.879 --> 00:09:03.679 we finally came around to me happen And I'm loving it. But I guess 104 00:09:03.759 --> 00:09:09.919 you know that some of the management were a little more hesitant, and now 105 00:09:09.919 --> 00:09:13.519 they're stoked because he was right. You know, he told him people are 106 00:09:13.559 --> 00:09:18.919 people love this kind of stuff. They're gonna love more space and science and 107 00:09:18.200 --> 00:09:22.840 UFOs, and sure enough, you know, he was proved right. So 108 00:09:22.039 --> 00:09:26.600 they're super happy with both of us and they want more of this, which 109 00:09:26.639 --> 00:09:31.200 is great because there's so much credible news that is coming about and it's always 110 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:35.559 fun to introduce all of this information to a new audience. And that's what's 111 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:39.679 unique about the time we're in right now, there are more people open up 112 00:09:39.679 --> 00:09:43.600 to hearing more about all of this, and I think that's really important. 113 00:09:43.679 --> 00:09:52.600 You know, there's a lot of negativity I think in this field, wouldn't 114 00:09:52.600 --> 00:09:56.120 you say, And I think that it's not necessarily warranted. I think right 115 00:09:56.120 --> 00:10:01.360 now is a great time when people are opening up up to these topics. 116 00:10:01.360 --> 00:10:05.320 Yes, unfortunately, I do see that as well, and you and I 117 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:09.600 talk a little bit about that every now and then. Off here, there 118 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:16.639 is some negativity, and you know, who knows why. You do see 119 00:10:16.679 --> 00:10:22.919 some jealousy sometimes you see people stuck in certain ways that don't want to, 120 00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:28.159 you know, advance any further and what they're what their deal is. So 121 00:10:28.440 --> 00:10:33.639 yeah, there can be but it's still it's still a very interesting topic and 122 00:10:33.679 --> 00:10:37.000 it'll be good that you're going to be writing about it in like a new 123 00:10:37.039 --> 00:10:41.320 forum where there's it's such a busy website, dent a geek. I think 124 00:10:41.320 --> 00:10:45.799 it's one of the top websites in the country as far as activity goes. 125 00:10:46.799 --> 00:10:50.039 Yeah, a lot of people looking at it. And I also did a 126 00:10:50.120 --> 00:10:52.799 little bit on their podcast, one of their podcasts, so they've got a 127 00:10:52.799 --> 00:10:58.360 couple they've got one like called Channel zero and Sci Fi Fidelity. And I 128 00:10:58.399 --> 00:11:03.320 can't say I didn't neglect to ask which exactly podcasts that would be on. 129 00:11:03.559 --> 00:11:09.360 But they have a podcast site specifically, so you can go to Den of 130 00:11:09.440 --> 00:11:13.519 Geek and click on the podcast button and it'll be up there soon. And 131 00:11:13.559 --> 00:11:16.960 of course you can follow me on social media and I'll let people know once 132 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:22.120 that gets posted. But yeah, cool stuff, so and there are a 133 00:11:22.159 --> 00:11:24.399 lot of fun so, yeah, this is a lot of fun. And 134 00:11:24.480 --> 00:11:30.799 of course I love engaging different people, and I love talking with skeptics. 135 00:11:30.840 --> 00:11:33.960 And you know, I think that people like our shows because we're more positive 136 00:11:35.519 --> 00:11:41.279 and I if people are skeptical, that is completely fair. And I love 137 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:46.799 to have their input and talk like adults and be mature about this, which 138 00:11:46.840 --> 00:11:50.080 is kind of a given in these circles. I don't know why I have 139 00:11:50.279 --> 00:11:54.480 so many people have problems with I guess it's just social media. But sure 140 00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:58.559 enough, you know, people are over there bashing on Scott Kelly and calling 141 00:11:58.600 --> 00:12:01.159 him a liar and all of these things. And yeah, and you know 142 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:07.720 what, I've got to go to several NASA sites interview astronauts and NASA engineers 143 00:12:07.720 --> 00:12:15.120 and people, and they have some of the highest integrity. It's refreshing, 144 00:12:15.480 --> 00:12:22.320 it's fun, it's just such a positive environment. And there's so much positivity 145 00:12:22.360 --> 00:12:28.240 when you talk to these people, and and and why it's educational. And 146 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:33.600 I put the link to Scott Kelly's discussion that he did that I got to 147 00:12:33.639 --> 00:12:39.840 see it. It's hilarious. I mean, I highly recommend people go watch 148 00:12:39.919 --> 00:12:43.159 this video. You definitely will not regret it. So I have just a 149 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:48.440 ton of respect for NASA and NASA employees, and I certainly do not get 150 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:54.440 the slightest bit of sense of deception by any of these people. I think 151 00:12:54.440 --> 00:13:01.039 they're just sharing what they know. You know, these people like saying that, 152 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:05.879 you know, astronauts know something about you know, EPs or something. 153 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:09.600 Is that what it is? Yeah, that's essentially what they're saying. And 154 00:13:11.240 --> 00:13:13.679 I don't know. I guess if you're not and you know too, I 155 00:13:13.720 --> 00:13:16.240 guess in their defense, they just got to take my word for it. 156 00:13:16.279 --> 00:13:20.000 They weren't there to meet Scott Kelly. They don't get to go meet these 157 00:13:20.039 --> 00:13:22.759 people. But I would say that, you know, go meet people if 158 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:28.759 you're into space, and if you're into this topic. There are NASA scientists 159 00:13:28.759 --> 00:13:35.360 that do talks all around the country. Many different states have NASA sites or 160 00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:39.240 work that's going on that you can go visit. Of course, every university 161 00:13:39.320 --> 00:13:45.039 has a lecture series where you can hear these types of people talking, or 162 00:13:45.159 --> 00:13:48.559 go visit, you know, go to Johnson's Space Center or Marshall or some 163 00:13:48.600 --> 00:13:54.799 of these places which are fun, super fun to visit because they have rockets 164 00:13:54.840 --> 00:13:56.679 and they have all these cool things you can look at. They've got models 165 00:13:56.679 --> 00:14:03.879 of big loads, you know, and moon bases and stuff, and you 166 00:14:03.919 --> 00:14:09.080 get to really find out what it's like and even talk to some of these 167 00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:15.519 people because they're open and they're excited about what they do. So go out 168 00:14:15.559 --> 00:14:22.799 and meet people, talk with people, because I think that more secluded people 169 00:14:22.840 --> 00:14:28.000 get, then the easier it is to not just get conspiratorial but also kind 170 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:35.639 of demonize people. And I don't think that's a positive atmosphere. Whereas the 171 00:14:35.759 --> 00:14:41.919 situation we have now where people are kind of feeling more open, that's when 172 00:14:41.919 --> 00:14:46.480 it's important for us to go begin and continue to engage people, because that's 173 00:14:46.519 --> 00:14:50.840 when we can get people to open up more. I think right I have 174 00:14:50.919 --> 00:14:56.320 a lot of respect for astronauts myself as well, because you know, it 175 00:14:56.480 --> 00:15:01.480 just there's such an unusual breed. It's like they're one out of I don't 176 00:15:01.519 --> 00:15:07.879 know, one out of millions can actually make it to you know, to 177 00:15:07.039 --> 00:15:11.559 that level. You know they have the right stuff, so to speak. 178 00:15:11.679 --> 00:15:15.679 So they're well and a big portion of the right stuff. And this is 179 00:15:15.720 --> 00:15:20.879 something that is something I've learned in the last few years that actually one of 180 00:15:20.919 --> 00:15:28.279 the highest priorities in choosing astronauts is a psychological profile. Is people that can 181 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:31.879 work with other people, people that are friendly. And that's why you see 182 00:15:31.879 --> 00:15:35.240 so many astronauts that are that are really humble and friendly and outgoing, because 183 00:15:35.440 --> 00:15:41.559 they've got to be able to be team you know, work in teams and 184 00:15:41.679 --> 00:15:43.639 you know, be in secluded places for a long period of time with a 185 00:15:43.639 --> 00:15:48.120 few people, and that can be difficult. If you're stuck in this little 186 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:54.279 pod with an a hole, you know, that's going to be a struggle 187 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:58.759 and someone might not survive that experience. But if you're you're with your buddy, 188 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:03.240 Like if it was like you and I could probably I wouldn't want to 189 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:06.039 do just you and I'd be nice to have a couple more buddies, but 190 00:16:06.799 --> 00:16:08.919 we can probably you know, make it to a trip to Marson back and 191 00:16:10.639 --> 00:16:15.720 have a good time. I think. So we made it through the conference, 192 00:16:17.120 --> 00:16:21.559 yeah charmingly. Well, actually, I think so. And that can 193 00:16:21.600 --> 00:16:26.440 be a high stress environment because of course you were learning new things and and 194 00:16:26.639 --> 00:16:30.360 you know, it takes a lot of your attention. But you did a 195 00:16:30.360 --> 00:16:34.000 great job. Well you did two under the stress. And I you know, 196 00:16:34.080 --> 00:16:40.840 I've run a number of events myself, and I've actually lost it a 197 00:16:40.840 --> 00:16:42.480 couple of times, you know, not not on people, but I mean 198 00:16:42.960 --> 00:16:47.080 you just get so stressed out when you have all these things go wrong. 199 00:16:47.440 --> 00:16:49.600 Sometimes that happens, you know. Yeah, yeah, Well, let's get 200 00:16:49.639 --> 00:16:52.879 to some news. You got a piece of news you want to share with 201 00:16:52.000 --> 00:16:59.679 us, I do. Speaking of NASA, NASA is actually sending a helicopter 202 00:16:59.799 --> 00:17:04.079 to Mars. So this came out on space dot com. I actually saw 203 00:17:04.160 --> 00:17:10.960 something on the news about this. So NASA will include a small autonomous helicopter 204 00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:17.640 in the agency's upcoming Mars twenty twenty rover mission. The officials announced this on 205 00:17:17.680 --> 00:17:21.920 May eleventh. The craft will undergo a thirty Now I wonder why they're just 206 00:17:21.960 --> 00:17:25.200 sending one. I mean, what if one breaks? But anyway, maybe 207 00:17:25.200 --> 00:17:27.240 it's a space thing, you know. I mean, they can only pack 208 00:17:27.319 --> 00:17:30.880 so much, but this is a tiny thing. It's only about four pounds 209 00:17:32.359 --> 00:17:37.200 one point eight kilograms. So the craft will undergo a thirty day test campaign 210 00:17:37.279 --> 00:17:41.960 once it reaches the Red planet to demonstrate the viability of travel above the Martian 211 00:17:42.079 --> 00:17:48.400 surface of the surface with a heavier than air craft. Now this has to 212 00:17:48.920 --> 00:17:55.400 the roters have to actually turn about ten times faster than they would on Earth 213 00:17:55.440 --> 00:17:59.359 because of the atmosphere is so thin there, and it's about the size of 214 00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:03.079 a softball. But it's it's going to be kind of like a drone, 215 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:07.559 I would think. And the altitude record for a helicopter on Earth is about 216 00:18:07.559 --> 00:18:15.119 forty thousand feet and what does it say. I think it will be able 217 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:19.119 to go up to on the surface of Mars up to one hundred thousand feet. 218 00:18:19.119 --> 00:18:25.160 I believe it is. So it's interesting. I think it's a great 219 00:18:25.200 --> 00:18:27.480 concept. And they will be able to actually, you know, cover a 220 00:18:27.480 --> 00:18:33.480 lot more ground and really look around instead of you know, slowly roving across 221 00:18:33.519 --> 00:18:40.039 the surface. Yeah, that is really cool, this little helicopter. And 222 00:18:40.480 --> 00:18:42.079 so that's going to be interesting. And I guess it's a test, yeah, 223 00:18:42.160 --> 00:18:48.000 for a bunch of helicopters flying around out there. Yeah, so the 224 00:18:48.039 --> 00:18:52.200 future, may you know, maybe a series of so called helicopter drones or 225 00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:56.000 whatever they're going to be called. M Yeah, this is a cool story, 226 00:18:57.000 --> 00:19:00.799 I think, really cool one. And of course they're going to be 227 00:19:02.359 --> 00:19:07.000 looking for microbial life. I don't know exactly how. I think there's uh, 228 00:19:08.079 --> 00:19:11.519 it says something like twenty three cameras. I don't know how it could 229 00:19:11.559 --> 00:19:15.319 be in such a small thing. The body of it's only the size of 230 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:22.920 like a softball, it says, tiny little sucker. Yeah it is. 231 00:19:22.640 --> 00:19:26.640 Yeah, that's well. And of course the weight on you know, it 232 00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:29.440 says it weighs four pounds, but on Mars, what would that be? 233 00:19:29.480 --> 00:19:30.519 I don't know what the percentage is, but yeah, I don't know. 234 00:19:30.559 --> 00:19:34.799 You can probably find that. But yeah, and that little softball thing must 235 00:19:34.880 --> 00:19:41.640 be a little control panel and mostly motor and I guess I'll have to test. 236 00:19:41.680 --> 00:19:47.200 I guess it's got two I think it's got two sets of propellers that 237 00:19:47.279 --> 00:19:53.079 go in opposite direction, so they'll be testing. Yes, what you know, 238 00:19:53.480 --> 00:19:56.319 how fast they need to spin in stuff to go up and down? 239 00:19:57.319 --> 00:20:03.160 Would you guess that? What would you guess something like that would cost. 240 00:20:03.440 --> 00:20:06.000 I mean, it just blows me away sometimes when I hear it. I 241 00:20:06.079 --> 00:20:10.079 know, crisis. I would think if you went to Walmart, you could 242 00:20:10.079 --> 00:20:17.519 get one for maybe forty bucks. But I'm guessing that NASSA paid two point 243 00:20:17.599 --> 00:20:22.359 four million dollars. Yeah, I'd say it's at least a million. Yeah. 244 00:20:22.079 --> 00:20:26.680 Yeah, So yeah, that's weird, pretty funny. A couple other 245 00:20:26.680 --> 00:20:30.839 pieces of news. This is kind of cool so that we talked about, 246 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:33.759 you know, the Skinwalker ranch, and of course Jeremy and I will be 247 00:20:33.799 --> 00:20:37.599 talking about this more in a minute, but it was picked up. George 248 00:20:37.680 --> 00:20:41.599 Napp of course wrote about this about the DoD project, you know, and 249 00:20:41.640 --> 00:20:45.039 the history, and there were people like Paul Deine and I think we talked 250 00:20:45.079 --> 00:20:48.640 about this before, and some other people we mentioned them before that had discovered 251 00:20:48.680 --> 00:20:57.480 some documents that alluded to this other earlier rendition of this investigation into paranormal Although 252 00:20:57.480 --> 00:21:02.680 they didn't know the scope, they found the name and at least a job 253 00:21:02.720 --> 00:21:06.200 posting on it, and then George Knap shared a lot more. But it 254 00:21:06.240 --> 00:21:10.599 was picked up by the war Zone, the Times Ink website, the Drive, 255 00:21:11.559 --> 00:21:14.920 Tyler Rogaway, who of course I had on the show a few weeks 256 00:21:14.960 --> 00:21:18.720 ago. So that's awesome breaking that news is kind of breaking into the mainstream. 257 00:21:18.440 --> 00:21:22.559 I want to write about it and maybe some others and maybe you know, 258 00:21:22.599 --> 00:21:26.839 we can kind of push this out there some more. But another piece 259 00:21:26.839 --> 00:21:33.640 of important news today, which is that NASA data from the nineties shows evidence 260 00:21:33.799 --> 00:21:40.759 of plumes from Jupiter's moon Europa. So you know, Europa is suspected it's 261 00:21:40.799 --> 00:21:45.319 this ice planet to have some underground oceans, and now these plume they suspect 262 00:21:45.599 --> 00:21:52.880 our evidence of under ice water, so you know, more evidence for the 263 00:21:52.880 --> 00:21:59.759 possibility of life on that's right, Jupiter's moon. And they may try to 264 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:03.279 you know, plant and mission that will actually look for, you know, 265 00:22:03.400 --> 00:22:07.119 signs of life. I don't know within the plumes. I don't know exactly 266 00:22:07.119 --> 00:22:10.200 how they would do something like that, but yeah, that's one thing. 267 00:22:10.279 --> 00:22:12.400 Well, I guess one of the things that they can do is they can 268 00:22:12.559 --> 00:22:19.680 have a just from a satellite from something to go there and fly around it. 269 00:22:21.000 --> 00:22:26.400 They can pick up in the atmosphere some of this this oxygen, this 270 00:22:26.519 --> 00:22:33.119 word, this water and from these plumes and then possibly look for microbes in 271 00:22:33.160 --> 00:22:36.720 it. So that's one easy way to go about this sort of thing. 272 00:22:37.279 --> 00:22:41.000 And then I've got a story actually on open Minds I wrote a couple of 273 00:22:41.079 --> 00:22:45.519 years ago about you know, the research going into actually building a kind of 274 00:22:45.519 --> 00:22:49.359 a rover, but a robot, but this is something that digs, so 275 00:22:49.400 --> 00:22:53.640 they land it and then it drills under the ice and it's got cameras and 276 00:22:53.680 --> 00:22:57.160 stuff and can kind of go underwater looking for life and stuff like that. 277 00:22:59.480 --> 00:23:06.039 So why did this Why was this data not look through, you know, 278 00:23:06.119 --> 00:23:08.960 really intensely after you know, the flyby and all that. You know what, 279 00:23:10.039 --> 00:23:15.119 I don't know, that's a great question, and I think it just 280 00:23:15.160 --> 00:23:19.799 has to do with a lot of times you know, this was I guess 281 00:23:19.920 --> 00:23:27.519 data that was received from Hubble. So these telescopes and everything gather a ton 282 00:23:27.559 --> 00:23:33.880 of data and they have to go through that data later on and look for 283 00:23:33.960 --> 00:23:38.039 it that certain signatures and the data. So it just may have taken a 284 00:23:38.079 --> 00:23:45.160 long time, or maybe they weren't looking at it right earlier so, or 285 00:23:45.400 --> 00:23:49.759 some other technology that allows them to identify things they couldn't before. So it's 286 00:23:49.759 --> 00:23:52.680 probably in the story. The New York Times wrote it, and I have 287 00:23:52.839 --> 00:23:57.559 not actually read through the whole thing because it just came out today. But 288 00:23:59.519 --> 00:24:03.000 yeah, check that out right right, check it out people. You can 289 00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:07.279 find it on the front page of openminds dot tv. How convenient is that? 290 00:24:10.039 --> 00:24:15.480 Mm hmm. And you can also find there the a link to the 291 00:24:15.519 --> 00:24:18.519 Scott Kelly on den of Geek. And then I also posted a short Scott 292 00:24:18.759 --> 00:24:23.640 Kelly story at open mind Scott TV where included some of my pictures because then 293 00:24:23.720 --> 00:24:29.480 of Geek didn't they only like use one picture per story, but I put 294 00:24:29.519 --> 00:24:33.880 several of my pictures of Scott Kelly right next to me, and then you 295 00:24:33.920 --> 00:24:37.279 know, doing his stuff, and then of course a link to that talk 296 00:24:37.319 --> 00:24:40.279 that he did. You got to check it out. You'll love it because 297 00:24:40.279 --> 00:24:44.920 he's hilarious. So it's really good stuff. We're out of time, we 298 00:24:44.960 --> 00:24:48.359 are, yes, well, thank you so much for joining us, Martin, 299 00:24:48.079 --> 00:24:52.519 you are very welcome and one is always yep, always a good time. 300 00:24:52.680 --> 00:25:15.599 And we'll be right back with Jeremy Corbel. So stay tuned, Welcome 301 00:25:15.640 --> 00:25:19.200 back to the show. Very exciting show. Today. We've got Jeremy Corbel 302 00:25:19.359 --> 00:25:22.640 on the phone. Hello, Hey, Alejandra, how you doing, man, 303 00:25:22.799 --> 00:25:27.759 I'm doing awesome. And to start off, I just want people to 304 00:25:27.839 --> 00:25:33.200 understand because I don't think they do like how important it is that there's something 305 00:25:33.759 --> 00:25:38.839 new coming out about the Skinwalker Ranch, because really, since George Knapp's book 306 00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:42.720 in two thousand and five and then the lectures that he did, I was 307 00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:48.160 lucky enough to see several, one of which was with Comb Kelleher, who 308 00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:52.440 of course we've talked about before because he works with big Low. That's like, 309 00:25:52.599 --> 00:25:56.079 really it There's been lots of speculation, there's been people going to the 310 00:25:56.200 --> 00:26:00.240 gate and the fence and looking through and everything, but there hasn't been anything 311 00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:07.400 real. But somehow you have gained unprecedented access and how did this come about? 312 00:26:08.480 --> 00:26:11.400 Yeah, it's pretty amazing. I think what you're right. I think 313 00:26:11.440 --> 00:26:14.640 you are right, and I think it's really important, you know, for 314 00:26:14.680 --> 00:26:18.680 people to understand that the information that came out of the ranch in the in 315 00:26:18.759 --> 00:26:23.240 the twenty years that Bob Bigelow owned the ranch, it was so small and 316 00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:26.839 it was in the form of the biggest part was in the form of a 317 00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:32.799 book by George Knapp and doctor Colin Kelleher. But the actual investigations and the 318 00:26:32.880 --> 00:26:34.880 NID studies and the bass studies and all this stuff that's in the news now 319 00:26:34.920 --> 00:26:38.279 that was going on at the ranch the twenty two million that helped fund all 320 00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:42.640 the studies of the ranch. It's been a mystery. So luckily there's been 321 00:26:42.680 --> 00:26:47.799 a change of ownership and with that change of the guard, a different regime, 322 00:26:48.440 --> 00:26:52.319 all of that information, this information George couldn't put out before. He 323 00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:55.720 wanted to make a documentary, but you know, that was squashed. They 324 00:26:55.720 --> 00:26:59.559 were worried that it was going to jeopardize the investigations. That archive, that 325 00:26:59.599 --> 00:27:04.440 a cash shook record of footage during the time of active investigation at the ranch 326 00:27:04.480 --> 00:27:08.960 that George documented, that can out now all come out, And so that's 327 00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:12.440 why it's kind of right place, right time, and a lot of pestering 328 00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:17.759 and we were able to get this footage and all the new stuff, the 329 00:27:17.880 --> 00:27:22.480 years of new footage and investigation that I've been doing up there with George can 330 00:27:22.519 --> 00:27:26.440 now all come out too. Mm hmm. That's pretty cool. And you 331 00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:32.000 know, George is really good at kind of keeping things under wrap. As 332 00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:36.400 a journalist, you know, you often have to do that. But he 333 00:27:37.319 --> 00:27:41.519 you know, who knew really that there was ongoing investigation. I don't think 334 00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:47.920 a lot of people knew that right Look, his position was he was given 335 00:27:47.960 --> 00:27:53.319 the opportunity as a journalist to cover and follow and watch and document what was 336 00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:56.759 going on there. He wasn't trying to hold secrets, you know, for 337 00:27:56.880 --> 00:28:00.920 against anybody. He was actually trying to collect data so that when the time 338 00:28:02.319 --> 00:28:04.960 was right, this sort of thing could happen. We owe him, you 339 00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:11.960 know, a debt of gratitude for his perseverance over twenty plus years of documenting 340 00:28:12.119 --> 00:28:18.359 and keeping this story fresh and alive. So, yeah, it's pretty amazing, 341 00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:22.480 man. People are going to see for the first time footage of the 342 00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:26.920 ranch in the ranch on the ranch under multiple ownership, and they're going to 343 00:28:26.960 --> 00:28:33.279 see it in ways that we never expected the public was going to be able 344 00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:38.160 to really, So, did you end up with more material and access and 345 00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:41.440 even you thought you were going to have? Oh? Absolutely, I like, 346 00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:45.400 you know, wrote down my wish list of how this movie would play 347 00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:48.960 out, and not only did I hit every point on that wish list, 348 00:28:49.240 --> 00:28:53.680 but also beyond that, there are some surprises in the film that people are 349 00:28:53.720 --> 00:28:57.680 just going to be taken aback by, and I did not expect those things 350 00:28:57.720 --> 00:29:00.319 to happen. That's the great thing about a docum metory is that you really 351 00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:06.920 don't know what's going to happen until the final cut. Now, how long 352 00:29:06.960 --> 00:29:11.359 has this documentary been in the works. Well, I mean you could say 353 00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:14.400 it goes back to George Napp when he first started. He wanted to make 354 00:29:14.440 --> 00:29:18.039 a documentary, but you know, Bob Bigelow and the scientific team and now 355 00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:23.920 as we know now the government involvement, nobody wanted that footage to come out 356 00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:29.599 because it would shine a bright light on the inside of Skinwalker Ranch. And 357 00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:33.599 so you could say it's been in development since then. But as I've kind 358 00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:37.599 of released those clips of me going through those archive boxes the treasure trove, 359 00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:41.640 it's like Indiana Jones. You get to unearth these tapes that go back again 360 00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:49.279 like twenty years. That actively, this documentary actively has been in process for 361 00:29:49.359 --> 00:29:56.200 maybe three years, but really went into high gear when we saw the window 362 00:29:56.240 --> 00:30:00.759 of opportunity that occurred with the new releases, which all relate back to the 363 00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:04.519 ranch. Every road leads back to the ranch. The twenty two million, 364 00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:10.079 the programs that everybody's aware of now it all leads back to the ranch. 365 00:30:10.920 --> 00:30:15.279 Right, So that's interesting. I guess I want to get into that because 366 00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:22.640 that is really very new information for the public that I think people haven't completely 367 00:30:22.759 --> 00:30:26.599 digested yet, which is one of the exciting things for you and I to 368 00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:34.279 talk about today. But I do want to get to the essentially your experience. 369 00:30:34.920 --> 00:30:41.880 So how did you first come across the story and what was the impact 370 00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:48.039 when you did find out about this crazy Skinwalker Ranch. Yeah, you know, 371 00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:52.839 I think like most of the world, I learned about Skinwalker Ranch through 372 00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:59.640 George Knapps and doctor Colin Keller's book. I think that's how most people were 373 00:30:59.640 --> 00:31:06.160 given access to understand in more depth kind of what was going on there at 374 00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:11.119 the ranch. So it was through my relation with George Knapp that I was 375 00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:15.640 really shown the goods when it came to the ranch. Although a lot of 376 00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:18.480 it couldn't be public when I was learning about it, you know, I 377 00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:23.720 did get to see it from a unique perspective and through his eyes, and 378 00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:30.839 it really altered my position because when you hear these stories. When I read 379 00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:33.480 the book, it read like this great fictional account or something that might have 380 00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:40.640 happened. Then you meet the scientists who were involved during those investigations, you 381 00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:47.480 meet everybody who was hardcore involved in this who aren't necessarily public and out public 382 00:31:47.559 --> 00:31:52.640 about it, and you start to feel, Wow, this story these experiences 383 00:31:53.359 --> 00:31:57.319 are way more profound than I had first kind of given it credit. So 384 00:31:57.440 --> 00:32:01.279 this is why I think the film will really open the Pandora's box. I 385 00:32:01.319 --> 00:32:07.000 mean, it's your problem, eventually, the viewer, to deal with the 386 00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:13.200 fact that these events happened, and these events change the way that we look 387 00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:17.200 at the UFO phenomenon and the associated phenomenon. It's certainly changed the way our 388 00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:25.279 Defense Intelligence Agency thought about the UFO phenomenon and the associated phenomena. They're they're 389 00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:32.960 related. The things that we observe at the Ranch and the UFOs that are 390 00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:39.799 seen across the world. It's related. So that is I guess getting back 391 00:32:39.799 --> 00:32:44.440 to what you were referring to before, which is this, you know, 392 00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:52.440 how all roads lead to Skinwalker Ranch and thus far. You know, we've 393 00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:58.160 heard about the Department of Defense and you know from lou Elisondo investigating UFOs, 394 00:32:58.759 --> 00:33:02.640 and that isn't too far fetch for some people. You know that that's wow, 395 00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:07.519 quite a revelation for people like you and I not as big of a 396 00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:14.799 revelation. But to then find out that that some of those funds went to 397 00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:23.960 investigating this kind of paranormal ranch that is really unique and that is really different, 398 00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:29.680 and luckily maybe for the better, that news is not really completely you 399 00:33:29.720 --> 00:33:35.160 know, gotten out there or become a big part of the story because this 400 00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:39.400 is so friggin weird. I mean that what goes on there is really strange. 401 00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:45.000 Yeah, So the film really highlights those connections between, you know, 402 00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:51.920 the programs that have been popularized now, starting from the twenty two million dollars 403 00:33:51.920 --> 00:33:58.079 from Senator Harry Reid to the DIA's involvement, there have been major studies there. 404 00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:01.079 They're all connected. The thing that I that I think you're touching upon 405 00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:08.000 is that it is easy for the public to hear the words UFO investigation. 406 00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:14.440 You know, we get that unknowns in the air. People are familiar with 407 00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:20.280 a tip. But again there's something that has really not been clarified, and 408 00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:24.000 the movie will clarify it. So the hint to it is that that twenty 409 00:34:24.039 --> 00:34:35.360 two million dollars that was created to study the phenomenon was really inspired wholly by 410 00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:40.840 Skinwalker Ranch and what Biglow had been doing there privately with Knids. So the 411 00:34:40.920 --> 00:34:50.840 DA study of the Ranch under Bass that was wholly generated because of the twenty 412 00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:54.719 two million, because of the book for the Skinwalker and what Bigelow had done 413 00:34:54.800 --> 00:34:59.760 there for all those years with NIDS. I think that they're going to see, 414 00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:01.880 the public is going to see about watching this film, that connection very 415 00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:09.760 clearly, and that yes, our Department of Defense, specifically the intelligence organization 416 00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:15.880 within the Department of Defense, the Defense Intelligence Agency, they took this very 417 00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:20.519 seriously. They had to word the contracts in a way so they would be 418 00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:24.719 pushed through without much thought. And if you look at the BASS contracts, 419 00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:30.559 which I think George has made public, it's really clear that they're using these 420 00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:37.519 terms that allow people to push those contracts through. But the entire point of 421 00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:43.280 that twenty two million was to study the phenomenon, the associated phenomenon with UFOs 422 00:35:43.480 --> 00:35:49.239 from a medical standpoint, from an observational standpoint, from a scientific standpoint, 423 00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:52.199 and it's mind boggling, it's wild. But they took it very seriously, 424 00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:59.199 and not only did our nation take it seriously, but other nations did too. 425 00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:04.760 Hmm. And you get into that in a documentary in the bonus material, 426 00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:07.280 Oh to the Doctor. The movie is a beast. The movie is 427 00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:12.559 two hours and seven minutes, and that's not the director's cut. That's like 428 00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:16.880 for the public, my first cut of this movie was almost three hours. 429 00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:20.880 I mean, it is a beast of a movie. So there are going 430 00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:27.039 to be five major bonus material pieces that accompany this film which are quite revealing. 431 00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:30.119 M hm, that's fun. I'm really interested too, because you know, 432 00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:34.239 I'm a huge fan of your work. I've told you that and every 433 00:36:34.239 --> 00:36:37.199 time you come on the show, because something that you really do is, 434 00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:42.840 you know, you take an intimate look into these individuals that are involved. 435 00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:52.119 But also the pacing, the pacing feels natural and right, and so did 436 00:36:52.119 --> 00:36:54.400 you have to kind of speed things up for this one to include more info? 437 00:36:55.280 --> 00:37:00.320 You know, the pacing for this one. There's never a dull moment. 438 00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:05.800 That's kind of always. My goal is not to lose a viewer for 439 00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:08.559 even a second. So it should be visually aesthetic, it should tell the 440 00:37:08.599 --> 00:37:13.880 story, and it should be intimate and from a first person standpoint. And 441 00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:15.280 so I think I achieved all of those things in this film. So, 442 00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:20.480 even with the extended length, the story has so many twists and turns. 443 00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:25.239 It's so deep, it's so profound. What you hear the individuals saying in 444 00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:30.840 this footage from the modern day interviews that have been going on for quite some 445 00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:35.079 time, now we've actually spent a lot of time, you know, me 446 00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:37.559 and the team in the Unita base and doing modern day interviews, which is 447 00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:42.360 really quiet about it, but those interviews made it into this film. So 448 00:37:42.400 --> 00:37:46.400 you've got the modern day with all the way back to the NIDS investigations as 449 00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:51.440 they were happening on the ranch as they were developing. So all of that 450 00:37:51.440 --> 00:37:57.639 footage is kind of pushed together, and I think the pace is strong for 451 00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:01.400 a movie like this that spans so many years. It's it's a highly entertaining 452 00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:06.719 movie. I think you won't be disappointed. And so you were, how 453 00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:10.199 much of this film is is footage that was shot way back when you were 454 00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:14.840 able to get your hands on gosh, you know, I'd have to say 455 00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:22.440 it is about forty percent of the original footage you know, from from you 456 00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:25.880 know, starting back all the way from nineteen ninety six when Bigelow bought the 457 00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:30.719 ranch, and then you know, I'd say sixty percent is new footage. 458 00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:38.159 That is so frickin' exciting. I'm excited. I realize that, and that 459 00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:43.800 is so cool because you know, this is a subject when people read the 460 00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:47.559 book, I think that you know, it's something that really changes people. 461 00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:52.920 I know you saw this recent article by red Pill Junkier Buddy online and on 462 00:38:53.480 --> 00:38:59.880 the Daily Grail. I think it was on and it you know, he 463 00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:04.280 talks about that how you know, even though he's very skeptical minded, hit, 464 00:39:04.679 --> 00:39:07.880 this is just so much happen here and there's so much credibility. It 465 00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:13.039 screwed with his brain. His brain is still twist every time he thinks about 466 00:39:13.039 --> 00:39:15.920 it. And I think that's how most people feel, just because it's so 467 00:39:16.440 --> 00:39:22.239 odd. But it seems like these things really occurred. So to hear that 468 00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:27.599 there's footage from back when all of this being was being developed, that sort 469 00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:35.079 of insight alone, let alone the modern you know perspectives, that sounds it's 470 00:39:35.199 --> 00:39:37.679 just that's a lot. Yeah, what you're saying, you know, the 471 00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:42.199 credibility of this again, I like to say, it really is your problem. 472 00:39:42.199 --> 00:39:45.480 It's it's not, you know, it's the viewer's problem because you have 473 00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:50.599 to, you know, kind of assimilate this data. It's beyond looking at 474 00:39:50.639 --> 00:39:54.119 it as credibility. Our Defense Intelligence Agency thought it was credible, you know, 475 00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:58.920 George Not for twenty plus years thought it was credible. Robert Bigelow, 476 00:39:59.480 --> 00:40:01.880 who spent more money as an individual than anybody who owns an aerospace program thought 477 00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:06.440 it was credible, thinks it's credible, knows is credible. So the basis 478 00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:09.760 of his interview with sixty Minutes, where he says, I know that there 479 00:40:09.800 --> 00:40:13.920 are aliens, I know that they live among us. I don't give a 480 00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:17.719 damn. All of that is based upon his you know, research and interest 481 00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:23.519 and work with our government at the Ranch. So it's beyond credibility. These 482 00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:29.159 events happen, and you'll hear it directly from the witnesses who experienced them, 483 00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:35.360 because George was documenting that the whole way through. Wow. So it's been 484 00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:37.920 really hard because you know, I've interviewed quite a few people and had some 485 00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:44.119 shows and you know, on this topic because it's a fascinating topic. And 486 00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:46.280 one of our YouTube videos that has done the best is when we talked to 487 00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:52.679 John Alexander because a lot of the people involved with the investigation are hard pressed. 488 00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:58.480 I've even talked with Colm and just kind of baffled, hard pressed when 489 00:40:58.519 --> 00:41:01.880 you ask him what when on there? And I think that I loved this 490 00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:07.719 statement by Alexander. You know he didn't, nor has anybody really talked about 491 00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:14.440 aliens. So we'll talk more about that. But Alexander called it a precognitive 492 00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:21.000 sentient phenomenon. Yeah, that's accurate. I love that statement because it's intelligent. 493 00:41:21.199 --> 00:41:23.360 It outsmarted them, that's what they all say. But it seemed to 494 00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:28.119 be pre cognitive. It seemed to know what they were up to. Yeah, 495 00:41:28.159 --> 00:41:32.159 as doctor Colin Kelliher has said, it was a real fly in the 496 00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:37.760 ointment that it is not an easy way to explain it saying it's aliens. 497 00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:43.800 Right there, certainly are UFOs hard physical craft that occur in the Uinta basein 498 00:41:43.840 --> 00:41:47.320 Remember, the ranch is just a living laboratory in a hot spot in one 499 00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:51.880 of the many hot spots on this earth that we know about. So the 500 00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:57.159 lab the ranch itself. It's not that the ranch is a magical boundary line 501 00:41:57.199 --> 00:42:01.199 of property. It just happens to be a place was conveniently a living laboratory 502 00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:05.519 in a hot spot. Now, the fire in the ointment is that, 503 00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:09.480 no, you can't just say it's aliens because the phenomena that are expressed, 504 00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:15.840 and as Robert Bigelo would say, the performances that occurred on the ranch were 505 00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:20.920 so varied they never exactly repeated themselves. So as scientist, that was very 506 00:42:20.920 --> 00:42:23.079 frustrating because you can't look at something and just say, hey, repeat that 507 00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:30.320 result. It was always altering depending on the observation. I mean, it 508 00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:36.480 really is Schrodinger's cat of the paranormal. It was very wild. However, 509 00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:40.679 a lot was learned during that time. We might not be able to answer 510 00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:45.199 any of the questions that were originally you know, set forward to answer. 511 00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:52.440 However, there are things that were learned from the investigations, and that's what 512 00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:58.199 I find really interesting. So back when all they started, for instance, 513 00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:01.599 Harry Reid, did he visit the ranch. Yeah, So I can't speak, 514 00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:06.239 you know, for him personally, but I know that it was his 515 00:43:06.519 --> 00:43:12.639 interest in the overall topic and the people that he associated with that really propelled 516 00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:21.400 him forward to help secure the ability for this study to ongo and continue and 517 00:43:21.519 --> 00:43:25.320 maybe even in more depth. It was not a sweetheart deal to Bob Bigelow. 518 00:43:25.719 --> 00:43:31.840 That is just utter nonsense. Big Low lost money. The reason they 519 00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:35.199 picked him was because he had the lowest bid. He was willing to put 520 00:43:35.239 --> 00:43:37.840 the most of his own money into it. So it was really it's really 521 00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:40.800 funny. You know, everybody's looking for a big conspiracy, a big money 522 00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:45.559 conspiracy. No, you've got a guy like you and me who's so fascinated 523 00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:49.840 by this and figures that it with the right resources, he can find some 524 00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:52.880 answers. And sure enough, he tried, and he put everything beared no 525 00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:58.000 expense. He did his best. He had a lot of people involved who 526 00:43:58.000 --> 00:44:01.840 were, you know, really great into visuals. Do have involved? So 527 00:44:02.119 --> 00:44:07.360 I don't know Harry read his personal interest in this topic. I think George 528 00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:12.519 has covered that to the degree we can, which is, you know, 529 00:44:12.639 --> 00:44:16.079 he finds it very credible. He has reasons like any individual would why he 530 00:44:16.119 --> 00:44:22.119 thinks that were there DA guys that visited the ranch? I guess were there 531 00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:27.079 government and or military that visited the ranch during this period of time? Yeah, 532 00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:31.159 I don't think that's really a secret at this point that you know, 533 00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:39.599 Bass was a DIA program period. So the answer is yes, And that's 534 00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:45.840 it's fascinating. I mean, one of the reasons is fascinating is I've been, 535 00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:52.280 you know, really close in that I talked to George on a regular 536 00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:57.079 basis as part of MUFUND when Big Low approached mouf on and I was on 537 00:44:57.119 --> 00:45:00.480 the board and everything, so but I never knew all of the this other 538 00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:05.119 stuff was going on, and and that's not a complaint whatsoever, because I 539 00:45:05.719 --> 00:45:08.280 you know, even as a journalist, when things are embargoed, you can't 540 00:45:08.280 --> 00:45:13.719 share them. Even you and I as researchers or you know, you working 541 00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:17.519 in journalism or as an investigative reporter, there are things that were told that 542 00:45:17.599 --> 00:45:22.599 we can't share, and so it speaks to our integrity and that's how we 543 00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:25.280 work with others when we don't share those things. Yeah, I mean, 544 00:45:25.639 --> 00:45:29.840 yeah, for two years I was on the tic TAC story talking with the 545 00:45:29.880 --> 00:45:32.280 primary witness, and you know, like I could not had no way to 546 00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:37.159 shield that individual from that from the information getting out, and you know, 547 00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:42.000 I helped to encourage to make sure that information did come out. But yeah, 548 00:45:42.039 --> 00:45:45.320 I got a tip, worked it for two years, had to do 549 00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:47.719 it quietly because of respect. So I hear what you're saying. Yeah, 550 00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:52.920 so I mean and to me though that that I mean, I see that 551 00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:57.920 as a positive thing, whereas you know that it speaks to their professionalism of 552 00:45:57.960 --> 00:46:00.119 all these people we work with, because I know, you know, they've 553 00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:07.639 occasionally shared things with me. But to many though, that's what's frustrating. 554 00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:10.880 I guess it's not a positive thing. They see secrecy and they see conspiracy. 555 00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:14.760 So, for instance, if we get to Bigelow, all of these 556 00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:20.000 negative aspects or things that say that are really negative looking for conspiracies with Bigelow, 557 00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:23.960 I think that they have not listened to what he personally has to say 558 00:46:24.159 --> 00:46:29.159 or paid attention to his actions because she said, you know, I've said 559 00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:31.199 this before too. He's like us, He's interested in this stuff, and 560 00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:37.119 so he's putting his resources towards it. Yeah, we owe a big debt 561 00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:42.400 of gratitude for what Robert Bigelow has done behind the scenes to help get towards 562 00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:46.280 you know, UFO truth by working with you know, government agencies to his 563 00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:52.599 own personal endeavors like NIDS was a holy private endeavor. You know. People 564 00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:57.599 they don't like secrecy, well they should get off their butts and start to 565 00:46:57.639 --> 00:47:01.519 bring information forward and seek rather than sitting behind a computer screen waiting for everybody 566 00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:06.239 else to tell them the news. I really don't have sympathy for that. 567 00:47:06.639 --> 00:47:09.039 I think that when people say, well that shouldn't be held secret, well 568 00:47:09.079 --> 00:47:15.239 then they have never been in the position where they're allowed to be part of 569 00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:20.000 looking at something with the agenda bringing it out when the appropriate time comes. 570 00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:23.920 And that's exactly what George did for you know, twenty plus years, and 571 00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:29.199 luckily that's what I'm able to do now. But you know that it's a 572 00:47:29.239 --> 00:47:32.599 really it's a shameful thing. You know, people that you know complain like 573 00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:36.760 that, Well they should get off their butts and start doing research. Amen. 574 00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:39.599 Brother. So we're already at the end of this first segment, so 575 00:47:39.639 --> 00:47:43.159 we've got to take a break. For those of you who are listening on 576 00:47:43.239 --> 00:47:46.199 KGRA, of course you're going to hear some commercials here. Definitely patronize some 577 00:47:46.239 --> 00:47:51.440 of these great people who are doing shows or are helping them keep KGRA on 578 00:47:51.559 --> 00:47:54.000 the air. Also, for those of you listening to the podcast, you'll 579 00:47:54.000 --> 00:48:00.320 have a short musical interlude and then we will be right back with Jeremy Corbell 580 00:48:01.119 --> 00:49:35.760 and talking about the Skinwalker Ranch. We'll be right back. Stay tuned. 581 00:50:06.639 --> 00:50:09.760 We are back. You're listening to Open Mind GFO Radio. I'm your host, 582 00:50:09.760 --> 00:50:15.119 Alejandro Rojas, and we're here with Jeremy Corbel, the creator of the 583 00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:21.400 new documentary Hunt for the skin Walker. Now, when is it coming out 584 00:50:21.400 --> 00:50:23.559 and where will people be able to see it? Well, it will be 585 00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:30.920 coming out late summer, hopefully sooner the better, but that's where we're at 586 00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:34.559 right now is late summer. I'll be finding the exact date within the next 587 00:50:34.639 --> 00:50:37.239 week of when it will be launching and available. I'm sure pre orders will 588 00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:40.519 be up on iTunes soon. You will be able to see it everywhere. 589 00:50:40.559 --> 00:50:43.920 And that's all I can say right now. But you will be able to 590 00:50:43.920 --> 00:50:47.119 see it everywhere. Main point is it will be available for like pre purchase 591 00:50:47.199 --> 00:50:53.079 with all those bonus materials pretty darn soon. And you just released I think 592 00:50:53.119 --> 00:50:57.599 even today was the first day, or maybe it was yesterday. This amazing 593 00:50:57.719 --> 00:51:00.880 poster. Is this what the cover of the movie is going to be? 594 00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:05.840 Or or a poster that was promotional? Oh no, that's yeah, that's 595 00:51:05.880 --> 00:51:09.039 the that's the movie poster you'll be seeing on all digital platforms where it's available. 596 00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:12.360 That's the one. I love it. This wolf coming out of the 597 00:51:12.360 --> 00:51:15.920 ground looks like rocks with a you know the actual homestead too, which is 598 00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:21.559 a side of high activity. Wow at parm you know, at this paranormal 599 00:51:21.639 --> 00:51:24.800 ranch, high activity at Skinwalker Ranch on top of the wolf's head. It's 600 00:51:24.840 --> 00:51:30.880 pretty wild. It's from actual images taken out at the ranch. Oh wow, 601 00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:35.920 it is so flip and cool. This poster is amazing. So getting 602 00:51:35.960 --> 00:51:37.840 back to now, very few people. Of course, if you want to 603 00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:40.119 know more about the ranch, you got to read the Hunt for the skin 604 00:51:40.239 --> 00:51:47.159 Walker or wait for And or wait for Jeremy's film. Definitely check out the 605 00:51:47.199 --> 00:51:52.920 film, but I guess just for those few people, because there's going to 606 00:51:52.960 --> 00:51:54.920 be a handful of listeners even though I cover this topic quite a bit, 607 00:51:54.960 --> 00:52:00.679 who aren't aware. So maybe you can in a nut all as much as 608 00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:04.599 you can describe. And you've probably been asked to do this because in media 609 00:52:04.719 --> 00:52:07.199 often you know, you got to go do pictures and they're like, what's 610 00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:09.719 the nutshell? What is it? What is it about? What do you 611 00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:13.840 tell them? It's you know, actually all hunter, you're the very first 612 00:52:13.880 --> 00:52:17.519 interview that I'm doing. I delivered the film yesterday in its full form, 613 00:52:17.880 --> 00:52:22.119 but I can wrap this up in a super simple way for people to look 614 00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:25.559 at. So what a Skinwalker ranch? Right? So, based on this 615 00:52:25.719 --> 00:52:30.519 best selling book by George Knapp and doctor Kellum hurr By, you know, 616 00:52:30.559 --> 00:52:35.360 they had a book out, Hunt for the Skinwalker, This that I'm putting 617 00:52:35.360 --> 00:52:39.239 out it's a documentary kind of relative relating to this book, but it's really 618 00:52:39.239 --> 00:52:46.440 about the ranch and it's the most intensive scientifically studied paranormal hot spot in human 619 00:52:46.719 --> 00:52:52.400 history. That's what this ranch is, and that is definitive. It's famous 620 00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:57.239 now all throughout the world because of the myriad of like strange and frightening encounters 621 00:52:57.239 --> 00:53:01.840 and things seen at this ranch, everything from mothers and UFOs to seemingly paranormal 622 00:53:01.880 --> 00:53:06.719 events. This has been happening for hundreds of years in the Uenta Basin, 623 00:53:07.039 --> 00:53:09.360 but the ranch itself seems to be a hub for this, a hot spot 624 00:53:09.480 --> 00:53:15.039 within a hot spot. There's animal mutilations, current animal mutilations, not just 625 00:53:15.159 --> 00:53:20.760 twenty years ago. It's happening to this day for local ranchers. Again, 626 00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:24.800 there's poltergeist like activity, there's creatures. That's the thing about the ranch is 627 00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:31.639 really strange dimensional portholes. A physicist and another scientist watched this being crawl out 628 00:53:31.880 --> 00:53:37.039 of an orange dimensional porthole looking through night vision goggles while they were kind of 629 00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:43.360 on the hunt on the ranch to observe and figure out what this stuff is. 630 00:53:43.440 --> 00:53:47.880 The phenomena that's expressed that the ranch is so astounding, and it is 631 00:53:49.039 --> 00:53:53.039 about UFOs, but it's about associated phenomena. This ranch was owned by Robert 632 00:53:53.039 --> 00:53:58.840 Bigelow Aerospace mogul Biglow Aerospace has an interest in the subject for a long time, 633 00:53:59.239 --> 00:54:05.760 and he deployed PhD level scientists. Millions of dollars of equipment and personnel 634 00:54:05.840 --> 00:54:09.440 was invested in this, and then the US government's Defense Intelligence Agency took notice 635 00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:15.960 and sponsored a massive study to determine what lurks at this ranch to see if 636 00:54:15.000 --> 00:54:21.199 it was a national security threat. So secrets have been kept, big secrets 637 00:54:21.239 --> 00:54:24.840 about this ranch and for more than i'd say two decades, and everybody's wondered, 638 00:54:24.880 --> 00:54:29.000 what's going on there. We don't have photos, we don't have videos. 639 00:54:29.360 --> 00:54:34.280 This has been embargoed, this information, all of that has changed and 640 00:54:34.360 --> 00:54:38.239 this story can now be told and it will feature original and rare footage from 641 00:54:38.280 --> 00:54:43.039 the ranch during the time of investigations. That's how I can best explain it. 642 00:54:43.199 --> 00:54:45.360 Mm hm. And you're the guy. You know a lot of people 643 00:54:45.360 --> 00:54:52.679 I think would be asking why you why this Jeremy guy. That's like what 644 00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:54.360 my mom asked. Well, I don't know. It's like not coveted a 645 00:54:54.400 --> 00:54:58.760 position. It's a difficult thing to get a movie like this out. It's 646 00:54:58.880 --> 00:55:02.519 highly stressful. But no, I think it was Look George Knapp has been 647 00:55:02.519 --> 00:55:07.480 a mentor to me in journalism, and over those years I have been able 648 00:55:07.480 --> 00:55:12.159 to witness and look at some of what he has been looking at for decades. 649 00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:15.679 And this was something that really, you know, the timing was right, 650 00:55:15.800 --> 00:55:20.599 the change of the guard. Nobody else could have done this but George 651 00:55:20.639 --> 00:55:24.400 Knapp. And luckily as a filmmaker there I am ready to do this film. 652 00:55:24.559 --> 00:55:29.599 So it was you know, consider it luck but it's like being in 653 00:55:29.639 --> 00:55:31.320 the right place at the right time. But also I was ready for this 654 00:55:31.599 --> 00:55:37.599 mm wow. And you know I can see it because I'm a huge fan 655 00:55:37.719 --> 00:55:40.360 of your work, and that's what makes it so exciting. I'm excited about 656 00:55:40.360 --> 00:55:45.000 even if you're gonna whatever mundane little thing you do, you focus on because 657 00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:49.440 you do such a great job I think in making anything interesting, but let 658 00:55:49.440 --> 00:55:53.880 alone something that is just you know, intuitively amazing. This ought to be 659 00:55:53.920 --> 00:56:00.719 great. But I'm curious, was there an incident in particular that stands out 660 00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:07.599 to you and or that you really focused on that was maybe meaningful in the 661 00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:12.960 documentary? Right? You know, there's so much to cover in a documentary 662 00:56:13.119 --> 00:56:15.000 like this, and we're all looking for the evidence. You know, what 663 00:56:15.159 --> 00:56:20.960 is evidence is witness, testimony, evidence. You know what types of documents 664 00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:24.840 are evidence. So for me in this film, I really tried to make 665 00:56:24.880 --> 00:56:29.599 sure that all the work that George did and he filmed, that all of 666 00:56:29.599 --> 00:56:35.719 that could be told in these like news segments where he's reporting to you through 667 00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:42.079 all those decades, but then also tying that in to the current modern day 668 00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:45.639 situation at the ranch. Now. People are going to learn a lot from 669 00:56:45.639 --> 00:56:49.679 this film. I think it's going to be very hopeful. I think that 670 00:56:49.679 --> 00:56:53.719 they're going to be very encouraged. And I think, personally going there a 671 00:56:53.840 --> 00:57:00.079 multitude of times and having my own ability to experience this property and the surrounding 672 00:57:00.199 --> 00:57:08.639 area, the most profound thing to me is the way that this high strangeness 673 00:57:09.079 --> 00:57:16.880 is accepted by the local culture, and how it's a part of everyday life, 674 00:57:16.960 --> 00:57:22.599 and how they won't readily, the locals won't readily just talk to people 675 00:57:22.639 --> 00:57:29.039 about it because it is so outside of our consensus reality that they don't feel 676 00:57:29.079 --> 00:57:32.039 like they need to explain themselves to anybody. But when you are in their 677 00:57:32.079 --> 00:57:37.559 trust, and we were the first crew ever to get permits from the w 678 00:57:37.559 --> 00:57:43.960 went to nation, from the sovereign nation to film at these locations on the 679 00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:47.360 reservation and take that footage off for a movie. We were the first. 680 00:57:47.920 --> 00:57:51.840 It's not like when Joe Rogan is out there and he's standing on the peripheral 681 00:57:51.840 --> 00:57:54.519 of skin Walker and not even close and does some stupid show about it that 682 00:57:54.599 --> 00:58:00.039 tells you nothing. Right. This is a hardcore, deep, long term 683 00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:07.199 investigation, a multi general, a multigeneration investigation. So I really am proud 684 00:58:07.239 --> 00:58:10.039 of this movie. I think people are going to love it. I think 685 00:58:10.039 --> 00:58:15.320 it's could be entertaining. I think it's could be highly highly informative, you 686 00:58:15.360 --> 00:58:19.639 know, And you bring up a great point and John Alexander brings up this 687 00:58:19.679 --> 00:58:22.880 point often as well, and I think that's what's going to be different and 688 00:58:23.800 --> 00:58:29.760 about this film and why this is important, which is a lot of you 689 00:58:29.800 --> 00:58:31.679 know, people have heard about this, maybe read the book, and so 690 00:58:31.719 --> 00:58:35.400 they decide they're going to shoot a documentary and they're going to include it or 691 00:58:35.440 --> 00:58:37.480 an episode of this show or that show, and they do just what Joe 692 00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:42.039 Rogan does. They go they stand outside the gates, maybe when the lights 693 00:58:42.079 --> 00:58:44.599 go down, you know, the sun goes down, they walk around it 694 00:58:44.599 --> 00:58:47.519 with their night vision outside the gates for a little while, and of course, 695 00:58:47.559 --> 00:58:52.760 nothing happens, and like John Alexander was noting, you know, things 696 00:58:52.800 --> 00:58:55.519 would happen, but it was far and few between. So the chances of 697 00:58:55.559 --> 00:58:59.960 you going there and even spending a few days and having some sort of paranormal 698 00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:04.840 experience are low because you know, even if a dozen occurrences happen in an 699 00:59:05.039 --> 00:59:07.760 entire year, that's a big deal. That's a lot of occurrences, and 700 00:59:07.840 --> 00:59:15.159 so you have to really delve in, like you said, like nobody's ever 701 00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:20.639 done before. Yeah, you know, this place is a paranormal Disneyland man, 702 00:59:20.800 --> 00:59:23.360 And it's like saying you went to the gates of Disneyland and you stood 703 00:59:23.400 --> 00:59:27.559 outside, you don't know what, you know what the matter horn is like 704 00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:30.440 Space Mountain is like so yeah, and it's funny. Some of the things 705 00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:34.639 will be revealed, like some of the people that you know were invited to 706 00:59:34.679 --> 00:59:37.960 come with me and George one time, who you'll see in the film. 707 00:59:38.079 --> 00:59:42.800 You know, he a buddy of mine. He turns me. It's middle 708 00:59:42.880 --> 00:59:45.880 of the night, Skinwalker Ranch. It's like two in the morning. We're 709 00:59:45.880 --> 00:59:52.239 walking through homestead too, and we are alone, and he turns me and 710 00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:59.519 he says, you know, this is like hunting for the proverbial paranormal needle 711 00:59:59.559 --> 01:00:04.320 in the haystack. We're here for a weekend, and the Knids team spent 712 01:00:04.519 --> 01:00:10.599 seven years day and night and had one hundred incidents over seven years day and 713 01:00:10.719 --> 01:00:15.480 night, one hundred incidents. And I said, yeah, it's the proverbial 714 01:00:15.519 --> 01:00:17.760 paranormal neda on the haystack, right, it's really funny. Yeah, you 715 01:00:19.039 --> 01:00:22.880 know, you can't be a fly by night person to get the real story. 716 01:00:22.920 --> 01:00:24.320 You can go outside the gates and bother the people that live there, 717 01:00:24.360 --> 01:00:28.360 which is really stupid to do. But I mean you can do that and 718 01:00:28.440 --> 01:00:31.239 get a cool little YouTube video, but that is not an in depth investigation 719 01:00:31.440 --> 01:00:36.519 that is again multi generational and multi decade, and that's what I'm hoping to 720 01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:40.360 present to people in this film. It's not a different point. And I 721 01:00:40.400 --> 01:00:46.880 think what I hope happens and it may, is that you know, Area 722 01:00:46.920 --> 01:00:52.159 fifty one, for instance, is huge. I mean, it's the world. 723 01:00:52.400 --> 01:00:57.239 It's everybody knows this term and this idea. That's George Knapp, really 724 01:00:57.400 --> 01:01:00.440 he gets to me. Of course it was covering Bob Blazaar, but he's 725 01:01:00.480 --> 01:01:05.239 the one who was brave enough to go out and share that information. The 726 01:01:05.320 --> 01:01:08.800 book made a big splash. But of course we're a visual That's how we 727 01:01:08.880 --> 01:01:15.000 kind of consume information these days, is the visual, and that hasn't happened. 728 01:01:15.039 --> 01:01:16.800 We haven't had this documentary. Like you said, George has been trying 729 01:01:16.800 --> 01:01:22.000 to make it. And now that it comes out, you know, Skinwalker 730 01:01:22.280 --> 01:01:25.199 the Ranch may go Area fifty one, which would be great and it would 731 01:01:25.239 --> 01:01:29.400 be I think you're the right person to be able to help do that. 732 01:01:29.840 --> 01:01:32.079 Oh, I you know, absolutely, you know, for better or for 733 01:01:32.280 --> 01:01:38.119 worse, this movie has been picked up for mass distribution. The eyes on 734 01:01:38.199 --> 01:01:43.719 this from outside the UFO, the paranormal world, just every day, modern 735 01:01:43.800 --> 01:01:46.920 day citizens of the world. This is going to have so much viewership. 736 01:01:46.960 --> 01:01:52.960 I always make the joke, you know, Skinwalker Ranch is the Area fifty 737 01:01:52.000 --> 01:01:58.239 one of the paranormal And it's true. It has been so secret, it 738 01:01:58.239 --> 01:02:00.559 has been so held tight the car it's been held tight on this one. 739 01:02:00.719 --> 01:02:05.239 It's all about to come spilling out, and it's going to come spilling out 740 01:02:05.360 --> 01:02:09.280 in grand fashion. Everybody's gonna be able to see this movie. The audience 741 01:02:09.360 --> 01:02:15.920 size is going to be hugely increased. Again for better or for worse, 742 01:02:15.280 --> 01:02:21.320 but people are going to learn the real story about Skinwalker Ranch, big questions, 743 01:02:21.760 --> 01:02:24.800 disturbing answers. I mean it's true, so yeah, it's gonna be 744 01:02:24.840 --> 01:02:28.159 great. Man. You mentioned Bob Blazar. I just want to say, 745 01:02:28.159 --> 01:02:32.400 Man, I'm putting this movie out. It's coming out soon. But definitively, 746 01:02:32.880 --> 01:02:38.079 my Bob Blazar movie will be available in December at the end of this 747 01:02:38.199 --> 01:02:43.920 year. There's no change in that timeline. So another thirty year story, 748 01:02:44.639 --> 01:02:47.760 one that I personally want to know, the story I've always wanted to know 749 01:02:47.840 --> 01:02:53.360 more about that is coming out. I'm making that documentary full in all in, 750 01:02:53.880 --> 01:02:58.400 Bob Blazar is one hundred percent behind it. It is an approved, 751 01:02:58.559 --> 01:03:04.280 definitive documentary. Yep. Exciting, very very exciting stuff. Now, when, 752 01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:08.360 like I guess, my question would be this, there were some incidences 753 01:03:08.400 --> 01:03:12.559 where for instant, animals were hurt, Like you say, cattle mutilations, 754 01:03:15.320 --> 01:03:21.079 your cover or your artwork kind of harkens to this event where this giant wolf 755 01:03:21.199 --> 01:03:23.800 kind of came out that the ranchers saw and tried to eat one of their 756 01:03:24.360 --> 01:03:31.440 try to rip it through the gates there, through the bars. But at 757 01:03:31.519 --> 01:03:36.679 least in the period of time that I've heard about and in the time of 758 01:03:36.719 --> 01:03:40.280 the book where the book was written. No people were ever hurt, scared 759 01:03:40.320 --> 01:03:45.079 out of their wits, but not physically harmed. Is that still the case? 760 01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:50.960 Yeah, absolutely correct. There's a lot of myth and rumor, and 761 01:03:51.000 --> 01:03:57.079 that happens when you keep something so locked down. The ridiculous story about alien 762 01:03:57.199 --> 01:04:02.719 firefights and all this weird stuff at the ranch never happened, definitively garbage information, 763 01:04:03.159 --> 01:04:06.000 but it's easy to insert. This is why Bob Lazar is coming forward 764 01:04:06.039 --> 01:04:11.840 again with me after thirty years, because it's easy to insert your own fantasy, 765 01:04:13.159 --> 01:04:17.840 unchallenged about things when you don't have an account and accurate account out there 766 01:04:17.880 --> 01:04:20.719 about what happened. So that's what this is going to do. It's going 767 01:04:20.800 --> 01:04:24.760 to push away the rumor bring in the truth, and the truth is stranger 768 01:04:24.800 --> 01:04:29.920 than fiction. No, no humans have been hurt I mean psychologically absolutely. 769 01:04:30.000 --> 01:04:35.440 I mean it's terrorized people absolutely. And then go ahead, Oh, I 770 01:04:35.440 --> 01:04:40.840 was going to say the effect because, like you said, although they haven't 771 01:04:40.880 --> 01:04:45.000 been physically harmed, everyone I've spoken to who you know was part of the 772 01:04:45.039 --> 01:04:54.679 investigation was affected psychologically. I mean as that did you run across a lot 773 01:04:54.719 --> 01:05:00.559 of that and were how affected were people that you talked to. Yeah. 774 01:05:00.599 --> 01:05:05.280 I mean there are some very dramatic moments in my film that were unexpected and 775 01:05:05.639 --> 01:05:10.519 you will see that. I mean, maybe even I underestimated the impact that 776 01:05:11.320 --> 01:05:15.400 can be had when people engage the phenomenon. These are close encounters. Let's 777 01:05:15.440 --> 01:05:20.639 be really clear to people talk about close encounters. This is close encounters. 778 01:05:20.679 --> 01:05:25.199 You don't get any closer than this. The events at Skinwalker Ranch and at 779 01:05:25.239 --> 01:05:30.800 the Uinta Basin, these are close encounter experiences, both UFO and something else 780 01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:35.239 and intelligence that we don't understand that's related to UFO. So it really expands 781 01:05:35.239 --> 01:05:40.760 your understanding of eufology. It expands your understanding of what it is. We 782 01:05:40.880 --> 01:05:45.440 might be looking at why our government was assessing it as a threat, why 783 01:05:45.480 --> 01:05:47.800 they thought there were things that could be gleaned from it, both for space, 784 01:05:47.840 --> 01:05:54.400 time travel, dimensional wormhole stuff, but also the idea of is it 785 01:05:54.440 --> 01:05:59.360 a threat? I mean, those are big questions. So I think that 786 01:06:00.880 --> 01:06:04.320 people are affected on two levels. I think on one level, there's a 787 01:06:04.400 --> 01:06:12.960 total reorganization of how you see your self in the world and what the world 788 01:06:13.119 --> 01:06:16.199 is. So that's one version. It's not negative. It's just the version 789 01:06:16.239 --> 01:06:20.400 of saying, wow, I need to really change the way I look at 790 01:06:20.639 --> 01:06:27.800 the world and what reality is. And that's a psychological effect. Other psychological 791 01:06:27.840 --> 01:06:33.760 effect can be that you see or encounter something that you can't handle, and 792 01:06:33.880 --> 01:06:40.079 that has been a detrimental thing because you know, it has been said there 793 01:06:40.440 --> 01:06:45.119 are hitchhikers in this type of experience. Things can follow you home. This 794 01:06:45.199 --> 01:06:50.199 is something that is commonly talked about even within in Defense intelligence circles about the 795 01:06:50.320 --> 01:06:55.280 Ranch, and that will become made that will be made clear in my film, 796 01:06:55.760 --> 01:07:00.519 but that is a term that is used, hitchhiker. Interesting and we 797 01:07:00.599 --> 01:07:05.920 do know, especially from George Knapp's recent story about Skinwalker the Ranch and its 798 01:07:05.960 --> 01:07:16.320 involvement and in the DIA or Pentagon investigation, that people were concerned about this 799 01:07:16.480 --> 01:07:23.599 research for religious reasons as well. Yeah, there was a contingency and actually 800 01:07:23.679 --> 01:07:27.519 Harry Reid talked about that in one of the reports that he was featured in 801 01:07:27.559 --> 01:07:31.559 by George Knapp, which is that, Yeah, there was a contingency of 802 01:07:32.320 --> 01:07:40.480 religious individuals within the Defense Intelligence Agency that thought the study of this was essentially 803 01:07:41.000 --> 01:07:45.159 invoking demons and that you know, UFOs or these beings or creatures, that 804 01:07:45.199 --> 01:07:50.280 this was demonic in nature and they tried to and maybe in some areas successfully 805 01:07:50.320 --> 01:07:56.559 squashed some of the research. But look, it's just like if you go 806 01:07:56.599 --> 01:07:59.559 to a pool party. You know there's going to be people that are highly 807 01:07:59.599 --> 01:08:02.480 religious and have certain fundamental ideas there too. So I don't see it as 808 01:08:02.559 --> 01:08:11.079 that bizarre. But when it starts influencing the threat assessment of our nation, 809 01:08:11.519 --> 01:08:14.880 then I think it is important to look at it and say, no, 810 01:08:15.319 --> 01:08:19.319 you know, is this right? But yeah, there was and is a 811 01:08:19.359 --> 01:08:26.399 contingency within the Defense Intelligence Agency that is highly religious and believes that this type 812 01:08:26.399 --> 01:08:30.520 of study is studying something that is demonic and shouldn't be done. That's really 813 01:08:30.560 --> 01:08:36.680 fascinating now. With the New York Times story that came out in December, 814 01:08:38.560 --> 01:08:43.720 it puts a lot of pressure on the d D and the DA to speak 815 01:08:44.239 --> 01:08:50.399 to this issue, and they haven't been necessarily consistent or clear in doing that. 816 01:08:50.439 --> 01:08:55.600 In fact, they've been very quiet. If your film takes off like 817 01:08:56.119 --> 01:09:02.079 you know it should, do you have any sense of how they may react, 818 01:09:02.359 --> 01:09:06.279 Have you gotten any trepidation or communication on that? And thus far have 819 01:09:06.319 --> 01:09:11.039 they told you like, just please don't do this. No, there's been 820 01:09:11.039 --> 01:09:14.920 no restrictions put on my film in any way. In fact, it's been 821 01:09:14.920 --> 01:09:18.640 informed from some very interesting angles. I think that everybody is looking at it 822 01:09:18.760 --> 01:09:25.680 the same way. They're eager to see what's contained within the film. I 823 01:09:25.760 --> 01:09:31.920 do think that there is obviously some people who were part of this endeavor who 824 01:09:32.039 --> 01:09:36.920 want this information out, and I think that the intelligence community will obviously, 825 01:09:38.000 --> 01:09:40.840 you know, be interested to see the film because they were part of this 826 01:09:40.960 --> 01:09:46.079 study. They were part of this investigation. I also think that the releases 827 01:09:46.079 --> 01:09:49.560 that we saw from the New York Times and whatnot, that, yeah, 828 01:09:49.680 --> 01:09:57.800 people are confused because look out of three different spokespersons for the Pentagon, there 829 01:09:57.800 --> 01:10:03.000 were only two cons distant statements. They literally read from a script, and 830 01:10:03.039 --> 01:10:10.159 they told us two things when questioned, both of which were lies. For 831 01:10:10.199 --> 01:10:15.079 example, they said that the study ended in twenty twelve. That is a 832 01:10:15.159 --> 01:10:21.880 lie that is incorrect. There's a difference between one funding source drying up and 833 01:10:21.960 --> 01:10:27.479 the program ceasing to exist. So they have taken a position they probably don't 834 01:10:27.479 --> 01:10:30.520 even know the truth. These spokespeople, they don't even know the truth. 835 01:10:30.520 --> 01:10:33.720 They don't even have the right name when they're talking about a tip, so 836 01:10:34.239 --> 01:10:39.800 they obviously don't have all the right information or they're being given the goods to 837 01:10:39.880 --> 01:10:44.680 sell to us and their lies. So it's really interesting half of you know, 838 01:10:44.720 --> 01:10:45.920 some people want this out, some people don't, and we have to 839 01:10:45.960 --> 01:10:48.720 sort out what's real and what's not real. And it's a tough job. 840 01:10:48.760 --> 01:10:57.159 But thank god, the UFO community has really voracious appetite and really good investigators, 841 01:10:57.239 --> 01:11:00.520 people that won't back down and will look for this information. Grateful and 842 01:11:00.640 --> 01:11:03.840 grateful for that. Yeah, not only the UFO community, but I mean 843 01:11:03.840 --> 01:11:08.880 the public is really interested in this stuff, even if they're quiet about it 844 01:11:08.960 --> 01:11:12.359 and kind of shy about it. You know, they're clicking and they're watching 845 01:11:12.399 --> 01:11:15.279 the videos and reading the stories and everything. What a year for UFOs. 846 01:11:15.439 --> 01:11:19.359 I mean, they said nineteen sixty nine the government study of UFO stopped, 847 01:11:19.399 --> 01:11:23.479 and then we all of a sudden find out that's not true. And not 848 01:11:23.680 --> 01:11:27.079 only do we find out that's not true, we find out that there's probably 849 01:11:27.159 --> 01:11:30.680 more going on than just the little A Tip program, the tiny little A 850 01:11:30.760 --> 01:11:34.359 tip program, that there's probably a much bigger program. Yea, so we're 851 01:11:34.359 --> 01:11:38.439 going to learn more about that. Well, we're out of time. Thank 852 01:11:38.479 --> 01:11:41.760 you so much. This is incredible. I mean, not only is this 853 01:11:42.399 --> 01:11:45.119 an event, I mean It's something that's going to generate a lot of activity 854 01:11:45.159 --> 01:11:48.960 for years to come, no doubt, and things for us to talk about 855 01:11:49.039 --> 01:11:55.920 and interactions at higher levels. This is really important stuff. So super excited, 856 01:11:56.520 --> 01:12:00.880 very excited you're the guy doing this. Congratulations and thank you so much 857 01:12:00.960 --> 01:12:02.560 for coming back to the show. Thanks so much for having me on, 858 01:12:02.600 --> 01:12:05.439 Alejandro. It's always a pleasure. And yes, I'm very excited. This 859 01:12:05.520 --> 01:12:10.039 year will be very big and hunt for the skin Walker the movie. It's 860 01:12:10.079 --> 01:12:14.439 going to be a watershed moment where people get so much more information that they 861 01:12:14.439 --> 01:12:17.960 can then begin to understand the story from So I'm really excited that the public 862 01:12:18.000 --> 01:12:24.079 can now engage this information. Thank you so much to Jeremy for joining us 863 01:12:24.159 --> 01:12:28.319 today. I mean, I don't know about you, but I am extremely 864 01:12:28.359 --> 01:12:32.279 excited for his documentary Skinwalker. If you're not aware of skin Walker, I 865 01:12:32.279 --> 01:12:35.720 know we kind of glossed over a lot of stuff because we assume people were 866 01:12:35.840 --> 01:12:41.359 aware. If you're not aware, you should be because it's an amazing case. 867 01:12:41.920 --> 01:12:44.600 A lot of people agree it's it just one of the most amazing. 868 01:12:44.640 --> 01:12:46.439 So if you want to kind of get up to speed, check out that 869 01:12:46.560 --> 01:12:51.439 daily grail that I had talked about by a red pilled junkie. Also check 870 01:12:51.439 --> 01:12:55.159 out the book Hunt for the skin Walker. I think you can find it 871 01:12:55.439 --> 01:13:00.520 definitely on Amazon and in any bookstore. But it's an amazing case and it'll 872 01:13:00.520 --> 01:13:04.640 make you that much more excited for this new documentary. And of course George 873 01:13:04.680 --> 01:13:08.319 Knapp's right in the middle of it, so if he's involved, you know 874 01:13:08.399 --> 01:13:13.000 it's going to have amazing stuff. You can also go to Extraordinary Beliefs to 875 01:13:13.039 --> 01:13:16.920 find out more about Jeremy and his work. He's got a lot of really 876 01:13:16.920 --> 01:13:20.079 great documentaries and of course that's when you're going to find out when you'll have 877 01:13:20.119 --> 01:13:25.159 the Bob Blazar thing ready and everything. Speaking of amazing stuff, you should 878 01:13:25.199 --> 01:13:30.039 check out ufocongress dot com. The store has new amazing products. So some 879 01:13:30.119 --> 01:13:32.960 of the T shirts. The T shirts we had this year were so cool. 880 01:13:33.119 --> 01:13:36.680 Eric McFarlane are odd artists who I'm a huge fan of, did some 881 01:13:36.760 --> 01:13:41.359 incredible stuff and we have some We printed a ton of T shirts so we 882 01:13:41.399 --> 01:13:44.960 can have some extra, so check that out. Otherwise, thank you to 883 01:13:45.199 --> 01:13:48.439 Caleb Hanks for the opening end close music. Thank you to Systematics for the 884 01:13:48.479 --> 01:13:54.039 bumper music, and thank you to Martin of podcast, UFO for joining us, 885 01:13:54.039 --> 01:13:58.520 for the news and of course as usual, thank you the listener and 886 01:13:58.640 --> 01:15:00.399 until next time, Audios smooth ators. Moss