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Calling all beings, y'all, let's
get it. Can I get a man

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for calling all beings? We are
back on our own channel, baby,

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not playing no kind of games with
you. Calling all beings is back,

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even though I'm solo, because guess
what, mo Nae Nathan, my brother

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Monddy Nathan is overdoing as your pian
tour this summer with the fan. He's

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going to Amsterdam, He's going to
Belgium, He's going to Paris. I

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don't know where all his brother's going
to. I only know I wish I

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was there, and then I'd also
being Inglaterra to visit my home. He's

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over there, So I am DJ. I'm I am Courtney less, Nathan

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less, deb less, but Courtney
may join and I think deb will join

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after the the Father's Day festivities.
So Happy Father's Day to all the dads

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out there, whether you in the
USA or not. Because ready or not,

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here I come, just like Lauren
Hill. Anyway, CAB is very

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excited to be back on its own
channel. We have a lot of exciting

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guests lined up. But you know
what, we do have a co host

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DuJour, which is sort of like
you know, the French onion soup of

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today with the little toasted you know, Crewton on top with the cheese and

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the onions underneath, and that crew
time right there is none other than the

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man one of the greatest hosts in
this medium right here. This brother got

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all kinds of things going on,
and he is none other than Vinnie Adams.

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For Vinnie Adams appreciated, DJ,
I appreciate the envibement. I'm so

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happy to be here. And yeah, Retty Staked, it's an honor to

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have you. You're gonna get the
first question before you have to split.

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But so before we get into that
kind of business, we got to introduce

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our guests here. How would you
describe our first guest here, this man

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who is from the Shamrock Island there
north west of England. I mean,

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he's just a real positive, big
voice out there in the UFO community.

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If you ever see a post from
this gentleman, it's always well worth reading.

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He's got a great voice right outlook, and I think he's just such

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a valuable contributor to the conversation and
to the topic as a whole. Fearless

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he is like a lion for MW. Lookout man, because this boy,

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he's on you man, so put
your hands together for Ireland's premiere you can

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excuse me premiere U a p UFO
advocate and also an advocate for autism.

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We're gonna get into that later in
the show. Put him together for Rob

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sharing. Happy Father's Day, Jans. Happy your dog loves you. Thank

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you so much, dig it man. Happy Father's Day to you, Rob.

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I know how often you guys all
talk about your kids. It's just

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so obvious how much you love him, and and we illustrated the other day

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how much your dog loves you,
by the way he looks at you.

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What's his name? My dog?
Call yeah, Callie? Awesome? What's

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up? Girlfriend? Is dj uh? Anyway? All right? Uh,

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let's bring on our next guest,
because this guest right here is the one

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who's gonna land us one of the
members of you two to talk about UFOs

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but with but let's what but let's
bring on the next The next guest right

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here is the writer, editor,
owner operator of Liberation Times. He has

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been cited by helped the Debrief,
George Knapp, Jeremy Corbel, Ross Coultart.

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Everybody is talking about this man because
he has developed contacts and has gone

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and made him and his journal's voice
a huge voice in this community, and

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so such that that susan Off knows
him uh and exchanges emails with him.

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So parted people put those hands together
for Christopher UK. Sure, yeah,

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thank you so much. What's Christopher
sharp baby here? About me and Lincoln

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and his son Lincoln? How's it
going from Inn? Congratulations on having a

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new sister. He's gonna be a
podcaster. I feel like I feel like

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we have the beginnings of a podcaster
here, all right, So guys,

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hopefully the ladies are going to join
me. But I want to jump right

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into what I thought we'd start off
with, what's going on in the UAP

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news and community. And and I'm
giving yielding my question, my first question

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to the Senator from from Stratford upon
Avon. So Vinnie, sir, thank

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you so much. Great to see
you guys, And I'm going to keep

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the first question with today's theme.
It's Father's Day. We're all fathers.

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DJ's got his K nine kids and
but yeah, Rob and Chris, I

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really want to know if you've ever
had any kind of strange moment where the

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two worlds have collide collided, UFOs
and fatherhood. You know, have you

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had a funny conversation with the kids
about UFOs, Has anything strange like that

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come up? Ever, that's a
great question. No, please go.

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I want to hear about your experience, please all the time, all the

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time, at dinner time, when
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I want to get the kids opinion
on it. And they're all very

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open about it, and they all
think it's pretty cool. They're very they're

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very scientific in their their narrative around. They just love the idea of it.

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They love the diversity of it.
They love the fact that it's to

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do with nature, the fact that
it could be a species, whatever it

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may be. So they're open minded
to it. They're more open minded to

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it than I have. I have
the conversation all the time, and they

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know him right here. I have
them locked away because they're always on their

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phones and they're always in bold.
But no, they're they're great. They

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love the subject. We're only talking
about it today. Amazing. Yeah,

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that's so good. Love it.
Yeah, and tell them everything with the

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legislation, I tell them everything.
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twelve? Sorry, thirteen and eleven. I'll be killed for what an awesome

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age. That is right before they
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start to like really have their own
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So that's just a brilliant age.
That's awesome. Huh. They're getting

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there, They're get they're getting close. I mean they're they're really close.

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They're really close. But I think
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or two left before they start driving
and all that stuff. Luckily they don't

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drive till they're at least sixteen.
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who's driving. We've got a lot
of two more. Oh really, yeah,

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we have one in Canada and the
one who's just finished school. You

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don't look old enough to have that
forty seven in January, you're what,

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I'm forty seven in January? Yeah, you still look really young. Same

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age as me, same age as
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October. Wow, you guys are
so much older. Chris. Do you

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have a tissue anyway? All right, I'm pulling it together from six A

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right, daddy? Is it's funny? A? Yeah? Oh definitely.

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The junior senator from London right here
or wherever, he's moved to wherever you

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what town are you now or can
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We're looking for me that day,
so we'll see what happens. So

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space, my village of Fordham,
my former village of Fordham, Cambridge here

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would welcome you. So anyway,
Chris, Well, any interesting conversations that

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you're able to have yet with at
least Lincoln about the topic, or even

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that you and your wife have would
be interesting to me. And my wife

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is like, oh, do you
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No, don't for me, I'm
watching my dramas. Go back, go

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back to your UFO stuff, go
to your computer. Just don't ask me.

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I'm watching my shows. Yeah,
that's how much it is with my

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with my wife, I don't want
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And then with Lincoln, do you
talk about you? What about our conversations?

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Thinking we don't already go deep into
do we think him about my iPad?

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Probly really spot and I will want
to one more about them? So

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much more about them? Yeah,
amazing, Okay, So it's there,

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it's there, I mean right,
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Vinnie's the only one that can have
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So, yeah, that's what I
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be like I watch my Brazilian soap. I know want to talk to this

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now. I can barely talk to
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Bigfoot a little, but yeah,
she's not interested in this. So I

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totally understand, Chris. I thought
another good place to start would be,

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can you kind of give us an
update on what's happening in terms of disclosure

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legislation? Like where can you give
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at right now? Just before he
does data, I'm gonna dip out.

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I have a very important football match
coming up in the next get prepped.

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If it was Moto GP, I'd
be doing the same thing, man,

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I'd be like, Amen, I
gotta go again. I feel you.

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Man. I so glad that I
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you. I'm really really glad that
what's going to be a great conversation.

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Enjoy the game. I appreciate it, brother, Take care, cheers.

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So I mean in terms of the
where we are currently is that it's kind

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of like last year again. Zero
language in terms of up has come out

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of the House, and we're hoping
to get a new amendment coming from the

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Senate which can be added to the
National Defense Authorization APP based on the Shumer

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U A P disposed acts last year. So look, we'll see where where

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that goes. I mean, we
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never a certain these things aren't,
but it's more than likely that we'll get

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some more UAP language from from the
Senate, which is fantastic. I don't

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know if it's going to contain things
like eminent domain, things that were quite

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controversial last time. Even though the
fact is eminent domain there is a precedent

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for this in US law can be
used anytime. But it was just basically

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there as like the charrot and the
stick. Basically you had eminent domain like

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as a stick and as the carrot
kind of like had amnesty provisions in some

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previous language that was proposed. So
look, so yeah, let's see what

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we get. But I think in
terms of a bigger picture, we just

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don't know what's going to happen in
conference. It's likely again that we could

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face opposition from a representative Turner and
until he's proposed as the chair of the

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Intel Committee. It doesn't look like
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can imagine people get pretty excited about
the language coming out of the Senate if

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it's you know, a UAPDA version
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get the House to agree on it, then you're not going to get anywhere

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in terms of getting implemented within law. I mean, things could happen.

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I mean from my understanding last time, I think Admiral sorry, Vice Admal

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Tim godlet Wi will basically say that
that you need more support from the President,

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from the National Security Council to get
it through, you need more determination

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from the Senate and humor as well. If you don't fight for this,

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you're not going to get it through. So yeah, and then on the

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other side, as I said,
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there, and I don't know,
and he seems to me on a different

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side of the Republican Party from Donald
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And we've heard of too new appointments
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undermine Turner because these are kind of
like MAGA people basically, And look,

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they're on the opposite side of the
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turn is kind of like a country
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in it with private industries like that, you know, smoking a cigar,

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playing golf with his buddies and stuff, you know, and he's a

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very very different kind of like type
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lunars and people like that. So
I mean, those people are kind of

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like populous, you know, and
they're kind of like a threat to him

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in a way. So look,
there's a chance if Trump is elected,

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we could potentially see Turner deposed from
the chairmanship of that committee or even the

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vice chair depending how the Republicans get
on in the House election. So there's

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lots to keep an eye on.
Keep an eye on obviously the presidential election

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coming up in November, but also
keep an eye on those House and Senate

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contests because that will give you an
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the key committees in the House and
Senate. You know. So, for

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instance, if the Republicans win the
Senate, you may end up with Rubio

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chairing the Senate Intelligence Committee again,
which is fantastic because he's an advocate,

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but you were getting good language from
the Senate anyway. But yeah, and

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it's the Democrats win. I mean, you could have times being the chair

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He doesn't seem that great. But
look, last time the Democrats had held

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a chairmanship within the House, you
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House Committee. So potentially we could
see a bit more progress under the Democrats.

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the other scenario is that Trump wins

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the presidency and he basically puts pressure
to pose Turner from the chairmanship of that

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House committee if the Republicans win the
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Apologies, that's quite a long answer, but that's where we're at at the

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moment. And in terms of hearings
you may have seen from Matt last wead

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that we're not expecting anything from the
House until after recess, so that was

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likely September or onwards. It could
be kicked down even further following the presidential

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elections. Senate. I haven't heard
anything on that yet, but potentially that

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could be quite a big thing.
And if any of you care about America,

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please don't base all your hopes on
which person you think is going to

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be the most likely to disclose UAP
to the world between like Trump and Biden,

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because we have a lot bigger fish
to fry in our country than just

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UAP disclosure. There are a lot
more issues and implications with real, real

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world effects, and I don't think
either of them. I agree with Chris.

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I think if they if they wanted
this to happen, meaning whomever is

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in the executive whether it was Trump
or whether it's Biden, or whether it's

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Trump, or it's gonna be one
of the two. Again, I don't

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know that they're gonna necessarily become a
champion for disclosure because it's They may not

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see it as in their interest to
do so. But there are a lot

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bigger issues. Before we go on
to Robert, let me say hi to

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Robert's fellow countryman, James Gaffney way
up at the top high James, welcome.

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I wish I could say that with
an Irish accent, but Rob can

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do it for me. Can I
just say? James is one of the

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nicest people in the commuta. I
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He's been invited to come on,
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table, he'll he'll sit at the
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alongside Rob. That would be awesome. Paranormal Pixie Lara, haven't seen her

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in forever. From Albuquerque, how's
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also from the uk uh street fighting
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might have called him, also a
paranormal guy. And non Et is here.

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What's up Holmes? Julie is probably
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the Jewel of the Nile. And
someone named Lasso is here? Hello Lasso?

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How you doing home girl? Welcome? All right? Robert uh thought?

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Do you have thoughts? Did you
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did you want me to ask your
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Yeah? No, I agree with
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to people that have been speaking to
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people that they know, and it's
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and what's going on the road,
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to out there. It's pretty much
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Chris. I think we had a
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asked him if he wanted to come
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think they put that eminent domain in
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I don't know. I haven't seen
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think it makes people look like well, first of all, in the chat,

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can does has anyone seen the early
Bruce Springsteen album? Tell me that

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Chris Sharp does not look with his
hair today like that Bruce Springsteen because he

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started singing at first, he didn't
react and he started singing a Bruce Springsteen

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song. And for those who don't
know, Chris is really knowledgeable about rock

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music history, really knowledgeable, and
that includes American Rocket. So so shout

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out to the boss. You totally
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Park in the late seventies or early
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really good song. I mean it's
Thomas. You better stop kicking my dog

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around like we got somebody. I
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so we can make a comparison on
Twitter of Bruce Springsteen before he started like

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really muscling up for that born in
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back to you, you can just
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of the United States, this is
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elected officials. It seems to me
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since a prime minister or a president
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and the intelligence agencies and absolute control
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official, an actual advisor to Boris
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was basically saying that he visited g
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m I six and he was speaking
to people and they were like, you

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know, no one ever from the
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Prime Minister or MP has ever visited
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got a grip. And I would
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we're talking about serious people. There's
a lot of people from the CIA involved

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in this, and these are serious
people. We're talking about people who send

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other people up, don't say anything, but you know you don't want to

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mess with them basically, And you
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have told me as well that you
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actually quite scared of these people from
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Were just compromising. And I would
say that's compliment as to call it

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exactly, and I would say that's
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would say that's true members of the
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to be holding an account. Instead
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asking for transparency, I think the
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that relative his topic, Chris,
I just want to I have never ever

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thought of that. Had you thought
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not. I just had a thought
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UAP. I think if there's going
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that conversation at Tim Galadet might be upfront

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and center in terms of addressing it
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point, USOS. Keep the question
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We've discussed it with the opposite Goo
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in Kenya for contested territory. Now
think if something crashes under the water,

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you know most of the air services
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the ocean or if it's foundation,
What are the practicalities then? What ships

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do you send out? What are
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mind as well. I also want
to say this partiers that are in the

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chat here. If you have a
question for Christopher Sharp or Rob please put

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it in all caps and I will
fire it after them. Chris, recently,

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your friend who is the Australian brilliant
award winning journalist who is now a

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news nation and if you could say
his name with the voice of Sean Bean,

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can anybody do that? Chance?
Ross Cortat? Is that right?

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Because he's where's he from? Is
he from? Where he's from? Castle

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russ Cotat? Is he is he? I thought he was a yorkshire Man.

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His name could be wrong, wrong, gonna be like reed, like

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kicks out of a poll. Recently
did you see that you said it was

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a mang union and he was a
yorksremn that problem again. I didn't know.

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heard Davy Johnson and Dave Smothers once

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going at it about it. I
didn't. I thought it was a joke,

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man, I didn't realize there was
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and now that one, Chris,
that's two points for Gryffindor so the European

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So I don't mind losing today,
I know, man. Last time we

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had just come off of the rugby
the what do they call the Six Nations

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in Ireland? Oh my god,
man, I got questions to ask you

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about that robot that needs to be
on a private phone call. So Chris

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Ross Coulthard talked about he interviewed in
Australian Special Forces operator who was on loan

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to the SAS. Just like special
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We did them on the air side
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Australia, et cetera, et cetera. So the question to you is he

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said that he had participated in a
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in England. I'd like to know
if you've done any work on that and

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if not, just what are your
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I think he was a foreign materials
program. And I remember La Maguire,

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the MP from Canada, wrote a
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I think it was Anita Nan,
her name was. She's no longer min

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Defense, but he wrote a letter
basically acquiring about the program between EAT five

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eys allies, which is an easy
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they've got a very very close intelligence

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relationship and it seems to me that
there is some kind of collaboration there,

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especially where they're working together. So
you look at places like a rap we

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have perlition forces together. We had
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by the ARIF about it was three
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you know, when you have situations
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actually coordinate and work with your allies
on that interms the intelligence services. This

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is a very really complex situation with
crash retrievals. It's not just off as

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a global access and those are the
guys that do want one hundred percent of

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the time. It's dependent on the
situation, your eyes and ears on the

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ground, your allies who are at
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at doing this nearby than you do. There might be a detachment of sas

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nearby, for instance, that might
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actually go through the five eyes allies
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doing It's dependent. And you know, I said as well, if it

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won't pretend that I have the complete
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But what we're talking about here is
we're talking about numerous layers of bureaucracy.

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We're talking about people that you've never
heard of, and I'd likely never

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heard it before, who are involved
in these operations that you know, we're

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talking about people overseeing these things,
you know, people who are in the

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CIA's Director of Science and Technology.
So you can get really really complex.

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What about if a retrieval takes place
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seems very re advanced. It could
be dishaped something like that. You don't

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know what it is. You send
j sockeyin, you send the essays in,

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you don't know what it is.
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then go for the CIA. The
CIA sends it to a contractor or someone

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else sends it to a contractor.
The contractor will then do the analysis,

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and then it's the contractor like a
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determine what the origin will be and
that will likely be a likelihood as well,

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like who can say one hundred percent
that's from you know, this Narsis

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or something like that. You know, you'll just like say, okay,

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we've got moderate confidence, you know, high likelihood that it's non human origin.

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These are the properties involved, these
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the problem. So that throws up
another problem. You know, so the

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government can plausibly state that we have
we don't have anything of non human origin.

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We haven't found it non human origin
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The government hasn't done the analysis.
They provided to a private company that

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does the analysis instead, so they
have deniability. So this is something that

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could be in every case though,
Man, I really it's just ampy because

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there's too many you know, all
the work that Georgia's done on stuff that

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had happened in area fifty one,
I just can't buy that they need that

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plot because here's why you don't have
to have that for plausible deniability. And

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I'll give you I'll give you one
simple reason if if if you needed that,

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then I could just send a Foyer
or John Greenwall could just Foyer classified

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UFO prokes, Well, you have
to tell me, Well, it's classified,

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so we're not going to tell you. Otherwise, anybody, a foreign

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agent who was posing as an American
citizen could make a you know that had

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papers, could just foil something and
get classified info. So classifieds class.

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It doesn't need plausible deniability to be
classified secret. Otherwise you could just say,

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well, tell me all your TTPs
that you use for the bin loaden

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Range been loaden range, because I
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foy it. Well, we're not
going to tell you. If you put

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into context where an investigation had happened
as part of the scenario contingency plan,

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if you had that as a fallback. You're okay, because you're in front

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of Congress, you're testifying under oath, So if you have plausible to notability,

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that's your influence. Say that again, Rob, I'm not sure I

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understand what you're saying. Okay,
so something be classified and that that negates

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the plausible deniability side. However,
if somebody is put under oath as a

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contingency plan to protect that individual from
reprisal, well then they could say,

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well, I don't learning about this, and there's your plausible deniability as insurance

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for that person to protect them on
your oath. It's you've already seen Grus

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say I can't talk about that,
you know, talk about X, Y

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and Z in this environment. You
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So there were certain within the four
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process. I can talk about this, but it classified. You heard Carlnell.

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You know, Carlnell said I didn't
tell you this, but he's not

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going to tell you everything that he
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this. You don't need plausible Do
they need plausible deniability in England to not

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tell you that, hey, we
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pro when you clearly know that,
as we just discussed, they have a

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program where they've retrieved crap. They
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say we're not gonna talk about it. It's classified from now until the next

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century, and they're they're not necessarily
going to tell you about that unless until

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it gets declassified somehow or somebody violates
their oath and takes a risk, which

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is what half the people in the
community are hoping for on any given day

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that someone risks going to jail and
says something, yeah, yeah, I

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think it's just different layers, you
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facet of it. So from that
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as well, you know, like
when we reported about the others global access,

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you know, a source told us
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and Materials and this contractors whenever republic
radio isotapes are involved, but not always

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just radio isotpe materials. So look, whenever it's radioactive material and whatnot,

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you know that will go to the
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that would be covered by the Atomic
Energy Act and all the secrecy and stuff

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behind that, so you've got that
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be true though both there can be
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both is what I'm saying. And
what people will say is that a private

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contractor has all of them because for
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that's the case, and I've stated
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I don't think that's the case,
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just saying that's one of the facets
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know, if they're doing the analysis
on some occasions, and I know,

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and I've been caught of one one
one one program where that is the case

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where they do the analysis, and
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that program, then but do you
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Contest Territory, you have the Unsea Domain.

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00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:10.000
That's a different program by different federal
holders. So there's a different process

407
00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:15.440
involved in each one, you know, and some materials will be taken to

408
00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:21.119
the DOE, for instance, the
natural labs, and then some will be

409
00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:27.239
taken to contractors. So it's so
complex, and you know, in all

410
00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:31.599
honesty, I'm still just trying to
navigate navic navigate through this at the moment,

411
00:34:32.360 --> 00:34:38.440
and I went web. I quote
Glue when he when he spoke about

412
00:34:38.440 --> 00:34:40.320
this years ago, he said,
this is like a tangle, as you

413
00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:43.920
said, like it's a tangled web. It's a tangled ball of string,

414
00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:47.039
and within the tangled ball of strings
or tangles within tangles. And what we're

415
00:34:47.079 --> 00:34:51.840
going through right now is just unraveling
all those different tangles bit by bit by

416
00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:58.079
bit. And speaking of tangled web
and and balls of strength, I also

417
00:34:58.159 --> 00:35:01.719
want to say I'm also a cat
dad, because I was I was described

418
00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:06.079
as being only a dog dawn.
I want my cats to be upset Bellows

419
00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:08.079
is here. You know what's funny
is we had on those of you who

420
00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:13.000
have watched CAB, I've known the
host of Meredith for real. Meredith has

421
00:35:13.039 --> 00:35:16.159
been on with us probably half a
dozen times. She's a brilliant host.

422
00:35:16.239 --> 00:35:21.079
And when I asked her if she
was a mom, and I saw that

423
00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:23.559
because she had done modeling shots with
kids, so I thought those were her

424
00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:27.840
kids, but it turns out she's
also a model. And she said a

425
00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:32.280
plant mom. I'm a plant mom. And I almost burst out because I'd

426
00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:37.840
never heard of a plant mom.
But Meredith's got that kind of humor.

427
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:40.400
Anyway, I got to get this
in from Mick because Mick is an og

428
00:35:40.599 --> 00:35:43.719
of the program, and then I
got to go to Rob with my next

429
00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:49.559
question. Does Chris Sharp like the
Libertines? And how do you play both

430
00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:52.239
roles? In plain sight? So
do you know who the Libertines are?

431
00:35:52.360 --> 00:36:00.519
Chris? Yeah, yeah, I've
actually got a photo with Pete does like

432
00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:02.519
me and my friend went like the
dart he's like one of the singers of

433
00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:07.639
the Libertines. And yeah, we
went to like an event in East London

434
00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:15.639
to watch him being interviewed by his
book and after him. So yeah,

435
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:20.159
big LIBSS fan, definitely. Okay, you haven't seen in the same place,

436
00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:23.440
so we know that you're not him. Okay, okay, I'm just

437
00:36:23.559 --> 00:36:30.280
checking el Polpo Gundoff if I'm saying
that right, which is a really cool

438
00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:32.079
name. I don't know how he
came up with El Polpo. I don't

439
00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:36.559
know if either of you prefer pulp
in your orange juice or not. But

440
00:36:36.760 --> 00:36:39.280
anyway, thank you very much for
sharing the live stream. I do appreciate

441
00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:44.039
that. Uh and man, I
didn't think I'd have to hold this down

442
00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:50.199
without the ladies but here here I
be anyway. Rob. The thing that

443
00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:55.199
that that intrigues me about you is
I always like these sort of origin stories

444
00:36:55.280 --> 00:37:02.800
when it comes to your fervor for
your in terms of your advocacy of the

445
00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:08.320
phenomenon, And I'm curious, where
was that born, Where was the genesis

446
00:37:08.440 --> 00:37:15.639
point of your advocacy of the phenomenon? Where this became a very very important

447
00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:22.400
thing in your life. I think
when it became a serious discussion around witness

448
00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:30.079
testimony by professional aviators that spoke about
this within the context of the nuts and

449
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:35.559
boats data and very much to science, evidence based driven individual But in my

450
00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:38.400
career, I'm very much an advocate, and I think that's what brought Lou

451
00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:45.760
and I together in conversation and how
we got our friendship going. Because he's

452
00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:47.440
an advocate. You know, he's
an advocate for what he does and he's

453
00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:52.920
still is an advocate for what he
does. And so I believe in truth

454
00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:58.280
to power and I really really relate
to David Grush where he's at and where

455
00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:00.840
you guys are in terms of what
you're doing. It's always been my passion.

456
00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:04.559
I think I'll get it. For
my mum, she's been an advocate

457
00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:07.679
for disability in the past. She
was the one that stirred me in the

458
00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:14.119
right direction from from a laboratory scientist
to an advocate for autism. And I

459
00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:16.320
don't like to conflate the two.
Autism and disbelieve two different things. But

460
00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:23.239
I like to empower truth and I
like to ensure that you know, data

461
00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:28.239
gets out there and that is spoken
about, and that there's no stigma around

462
00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:31.719
science. There seems to be this
comfortable bubble where if everything is known to

463
00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:37.239
science, it's okay, we're finne
there, but there's no progression with no

464
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:42.519
question. And so for me,
it's it's about following the question and following

465
00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:46.960
that data. And when people smear
it with stigma, I don't do that.

466
00:38:47.079 --> 00:38:51.079
Well, it's like, no,
no, stop, stop there,

467
00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:53.880
because you don't know what you don't
know. So what I see with with

468
00:38:54.039 --> 00:38:58.000
trolls on Twitter, they say,
nahna, this is ridiculous. It is

469
00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:00.880
no such thing as aliens, little
green men, blah blahlah. And I'm

470
00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:04.480
like, well, okay, you're
arguing with me to say that there isn't.

471
00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:07.440
But I'm arguing with you to show
me the data that shows why you

472
00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:12.679
think that. And you know,
we only know what we know, and

473
00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:16.800
now we're moving into an area where
you know, there's a truth there,

474
00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:22.440
there's a known there, and we
should be all coming together to find out

475
00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:25.880
what that is rather than trying to
dismantle it and put it down to something

476
00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:30.960
that they don't know what it is. So I don't like bullies. I'm

477
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:34.519
a big believer in advocating for people. I'm a big believer in advocating for

478
00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:40.119
the individuals who have been you know, called names over this. You can

479
00:39:40.159 --> 00:39:45.079
call them experiencers, whatever you want
to call anybody. But the fact is

480
00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:46.760
there's a truth out there that we
don't know, and I think it's worthy

481
00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:52.679
of our attention and it's worthy to
have that conversation within the science context.

482
00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:58.599
So that's my that's my reason why
I can't let things go. Yeah.

483
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:04.119
I And so, by the way, Gandalf, while the ORCS shall not

484
00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:07.559
pass, your comment will pass.
We'll get that up on screen again,

485
00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:13.159
right, remember orcs? And yeah, remember the Lord of the anyway,

486
00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:20.000
So I'm curious. So it seems
like you are the type of dude who

487
00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:25.400
is standing up to a schoolyard bully
to me, in you feel like people

488
00:40:25.480 --> 00:40:31.079
are being marginalized or the topic is
being marginalized, and I feel like you're

489
00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:36.880
standing in front of the bully and
saying, okay, you know, come

490
00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:39.840
through me. Yeah, I mean, I mean, like fair enough.

491
00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:43.199
If you want to get physical,
let's get physical, but like let's have

492
00:40:43.239 --> 00:40:46.159
a conversation. Olivia Newton John said
that. To make sure you quote credit

493
00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:50.840
Olivia Newton John, we will we
will put that in the show notes good.

494
00:40:53.079 --> 00:40:58.880
But like you know, if we
if we didn't have the question and

495
00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:05.400
we didn't explore the question and be
comfortable and open minded about discussing it,

496
00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:12.039
well, then you're stopping science from
evolving. And science is continuously evolving all

497
00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:15.880
the time, and we should allow
it evolved because whatever we're experiencing, whatever

498
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:17.639
we're talking about now, has got
something to do with nature. There's obviously

499
00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:22.400
a symbiotic relationship there, and we
just need to figure out what that is

500
00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:25.880
and what does that mean for us. And you know, I just can't

501
00:41:25.960 --> 00:41:30.440
let it go. And if people
want to dismiss that and call themselves scientists,

502
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:34.440
I believe exactly what Gary said,
they should be stripped off their PhD.

503
00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:37.239
A PhD isn't something that you put
on the wall and say, oh,

504
00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:42.159
I'm done now. PhD is a
mindset, it's the curiosity, and

505
00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:45.320
that's the basis of the framework of
science. So I'd say it's something that

506
00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:47.519
Chris and I would like to put
on our wall, wouldn't you, Chris

507
00:41:47.800 --> 00:41:55.519
a PhD Doctor Christopher Sharp, that's
not gonna come any time. See,

508
00:41:55.599 --> 00:42:01.400
my son likely has an opportunity,
but who knows, man what happens,

509
00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:04.960
and he's off at college and you're
like, yo, I'm bored. I

510
00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:08.159
want to go back to school.
You never know, I graduated there.

511
00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:15.760
You go the University of Winchester's own. So Chris like, I feel like

512
00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:21.320
Rob has a deeper connection to the
phenomenon that he's not telling us. Do

513
00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:28.320
you agree there's something he has a
deeper connection No, okay, maybe telling

514
00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:37.559
me. Well, after watching Rob
numerous times my television screen the nineties from

515
00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:45.239
you, I was just like,
there was a redhead lady who's going to

516
00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:55.000
join him for this interview. But
uh, we do cosplays from time to

517
00:42:55.079 --> 00:43:00.440
time. You know, we're we're
all about we are all channeling all these

518
00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:04.960
different popular we've We've had two for
Sharp so far. It was about time

519
00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:08.320
we got to Rob because when I
see Rob. I'm seeing like Larry Mullen

520
00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:15.079
Jr. At the drum Kit for
you. Did I tell you I met

521
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:19.559
Bono? Yeah, you did tell
me you met Bono. Where was that?

522
00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:22.199
I don't remember? Where was it
in a Was it pub? I

523
00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:27.840
was? I was in my twenties. I was twenty three and a few

524
00:43:28.280 --> 00:43:30.559
my mates and I decided to join
the Gaily School of Drama. We're calling

525
00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:36.360
faraway for the gas and we did
it, and we did a few months

526
00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:38.639
of it. And I was standing
outside a restaurant next door to it.

527
00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:43.320
It was a Greek restaurant. It's
still there, and this this small guy

528
00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:46.679
comes over to me with long hair
and he asked me for a light because

529
00:43:46.719 --> 00:43:49.639
I don't smoke, and I said, sorry, I don't smoke. And

530
00:43:49.679 --> 00:43:52.599
then my mates just went that's fun. I was like, are you Bono?

531
00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:58.800
We just started talking. It was
very odd. Yeah, like I'm

532
00:43:58.840 --> 00:44:02.679
able. I've composed myself around a
lot of famous people in you know,

533
00:44:02.840 --> 00:44:06.760
either when I was in LA or
New York or whatever, but I don't

534
00:44:06.800 --> 00:44:10.800
think I've actually talked to Sean Lennon
one time in a bar. But in

535
00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:15.840
a bar, I mean, yeah, with his high school mates. It

536
00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:19.280
is really bizarre. Now why he
and his high school mates were in a

537
00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:23.280
bar after school on the Upper East
Side or wherever the hell west side wherever

538
00:44:23.360 --> 00:44:28.679
we were, I don't know,
but but yeah, it's anyway I've talked

539
00:44:28.719 --> 00:44:31.679
to. But seeing Bono in person
would be just I mean, I don't

540
00:44:31.679 --> 00:44:36.480
even know how you. Only only
Brandon Fugel can handle that apparently, right.

541
00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:39.360
Uh yeah, how how are you
come out to the ransom time?

542
00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:47.639
So nice to meet you, bonn
Uh? Anyway, Chris, Chris,

543
00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:51.800
you your connection with the phenomena?
I don't know if we've talked about that

544
00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:57.000
in a long time. You've shared
things with me personally, I don't know

545
00:44:57.039 --> 00:45:00.599
what you share publicly, So I'm
not gonna share anything that you that we've

546
00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:05.599
discussed. But what is your what
is your connection to the phenomenon if you

547
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:09.760
don't mind no, no, no, yeah, Like my my brother and

548
00:45:10.599 --> 00:45:16.480
my cousin and my mom, I've
all had experiences with the phenomenon. They've

549
00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:22.800
just had sightings one of my family
members that they had an abduction experience or

550
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:27.119
something like that. And my mindset
is always kind of like, I'm not

551
00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:31.559
gonna I'm not I'm not gonna judge
you know, I'm going to like approach

552
00:45:31.639 --> 00:45:36.559
it as I approach everything else.
I'm going to investigate data is data,

553
00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:40.039
and let's see where the data takes
us, you know. But yeah,

554
00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:44.360
I mean I talk to a lot
of experiences people who tell me, you

555
00:45:44.440 --> 00:45:49.880
know, privately, that they have
experiences with creatures abducting them and stuff,

556
00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:52.719
and you know, they just tell
me and they just say, look,

557
00:45:52.760 --> 00:45:57.599
please don't tell anyone I told you
this story. I want to keep it

558
00:45:57.679 --> 00:46:01.199
private. You keep aren't looking for
attention, they're not looking for fame,

559
00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:06.360
like they just want to know that
they're not alone, you know. So

560
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:09.800
yeah, and a lot of these
things happen as well when it's when they're

561
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:15.280
conscious, not when they're asleep,
sometimes at day in daytime. And yeah,

562
00:46:15.480 --> 00:46:20.679
like that's you know that that's my
take on it. And I'm hoping

563
00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:23.199
that my approach to this, in
terms of go for the nuts and bolts

564
00:46:23.239 --> 00:46:28.480
and go with the bureaucracy and doing
the investigation will hopefully kind of like lead

565
00:46:28.599 --> 00:46:31.000
us to a place where they can
kind of you know, have that kind

566
00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:36.679
of vindication in years to come.
So we'll see where that takes us.

567
00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:40.280
Rob, did you see how he
just glossed over members of family. I've

568
00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:46.400
had abduction experiences. And then we
went down to waitress and it's like what

569
00:46:46.840 --> 00:46:52.880
wait, wait a minute. Chris
is a master of linguistics. Yeah,

570
00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:58.079
he's just like, oh, but
yes, different signings and remember of my

571
00:46:58.159 --> 00:47:01.280
family had an introduction experience and then
you know, after that, we you

572
00:47:01.360 --> 00:47:04.559
know, we had teen stuff in
a tea room and it's really good that

573
00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:07.559
sandwiches. I mean, come on, Chris, you don't gloss over things

574
00:47:07.639 --> 00:47:13.079
like that. But I understand it
is very personal, but I mean,

575
00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:19.639
did that right there have an effect
to where you feel like you have to

576
00:47:19.719 --> 00:47:28.199
do this because of if you let
it go, then it would it would

577
00:47:28.239 --> 00:47:30.840
take value away from what happened to
them, because they would go on with

578
00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:36.719
people thinking these things don't happen,
haven't happened, And the only people that

579
00:47:36.800 --> 00:47:40.599
have had this happen to them are
nutters. I've seen. Thing that gonna

580
00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:47.760
be involved is you know, the
video is coming out and the US government

581
00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:54.559
acknowledging them, because you know,
if you're a dog investigating this, sometimes

582
00:47:54.639 --> 00:47:58.000
to be jealous and you need a
bone to chew on, you know,

583
00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:00.320
and the back of the pentic and
stuff to talking about this. You know,

584
00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:05.920
that kind of led me to into
the journalism aspect of it, I

585
00:48:06.039 --> 00:48:08.239
think in terms of like my interest. You know, I was always watching

586
00:48:08.280 --> 00:48:12.880
the UFO documentaries when I was younger
and stuff. I've always taken an interest

587
00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:15.639
in it, even before I knew
you know, the experiences of others with

588
00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:20.639
my family. I don't know,
I just found it really really interesting,

589
00:48:21.039 --> 00:48:24.199
and I think it kind of like
shocked me that the US government was like

590
00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:29.719
talking about this and saying that these
videos were were real. And look,

591
00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:32.199
there's a lot more to these videos
as well, and a lot of these

592
00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:36.840
cases. Hopefully over the next few
weeks we're going to find out a few

593
00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:42.039
more details that weren't known before as
well about what at least one of these

594
00:48:42.119 --> 00:48:45.639
cases. So yeah, like that's
why I'm in it for, you know,

595
00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:50.440
I just want to provide transparency,
and I get a love feed off

596
00:48:50.559 --> 00:48:53.280
because you know, we could have
had transparency with the Arrow. Unfortunately we've

597
00:48:53.400 --> 00:48:59.760
not got transparency with the Arrow,
and that puts the onus on journalists like

598
00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:04.840
myself, Ross and others, and
even the whistleblowers and stuff and the advocates

599
00:49:04.920 --> 00:49:08.000
involved with this to actually put themselves
at risk. Uh, and we shouldn't

600
00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:13.039
have to. We've got a UFO
officially to provide that transparency apparently, but

601
00:49:13.719 --> 00:49:15.920
they haven't done that. So it
means that, you know, people that

602
00:49:16.079 --> 00:49:22.239
weren't passed to do this by the
government mandate will have to stop pushing pushing

603
00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:25.639
forward on this further. So yeah, you you you pointed out something today.

604
00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:28.679
We're gonna get to that at the
end, but we want to get

605
00:49:28.719 --> 00:49:32.599
to and I just want to say
Gandalf said here, you know that,

606
00:49:34.039 --> 00:49:37.440
Rob, you had a great point. And somebody researching into the mild O

607
00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:39.480
D I C C I A n
FB I have centered all of the above

608
00:49:39.679 --> 00:49:45.239
archives. It's a massive web of
information where about one to five percent is

609
00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:49.960
gold and is useful for further data
points. And thank you for for for

610
00:49:50.119 --> 00:49:52.880
doing that. A lot of people, people that are part of this show,

611
00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:57.320
like Debs and Courtney. Hi Jules, Hey, Jules is here.

612
00:49:57.679 --> 00:50:00.920
She's on the road again, Like
Willie Nelson, Hi Jewels. Sorry,

613
00:50:00.960 --> 00:50:04.519
I hadn't scrolled down in a while, but I'm doing you know, triple

614
00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:07.880
duty here. Yes, please put
them in on. Thank you liberating That's

615
00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:14.639
what I'm damn right there, baby, liberation time go check him out online

616
00:50:14.760 --> 00:50:20.000
www Dot Liberation Times. Don't calm
see. I wanted to use a British

617
00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:24.079
accent for that. We should see
if we can get Rob to do Chris's

618
00:50:24.159 --> 00:50:29.119
accent, Chris to do Rob's Irish
accent? Is that possible? No?

619
00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:31.920
Are you trying to break up a
friendship here? No, I'm just you

620
00:50:32.000 --> 00:50:37.880
know. I want to tell you
guys. Rob did a tour on signal.

621
00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:43.400
He did a tour of Ireland basically
of accents for me it Rob,

622
00:50:43.440 --> 00:50:46.320
I didn't tell you this. When
we were driving to South Georgia. We

623
00:50:46.400 --> 00:50:50.880
had to go to Air Force base
down there and meet with some Air Force

624
00:50:50.920 --> 00:50:57.199
folks and my program manager, Miss
Mary Kathleen Cheney, also in Irish lass.

625
00:50:57.639 --> 00:51:01.039
I played for her. What's that
Irish lady? To be sure?

626
00:51:01.519 --> 00:51:06.960
Oh yeah, I played her your
accents. We were rolling in the car.

627
00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:10.920
Man, it was so awesome and
it came out so crystal clear that

628
00:51:12.039 --> 00:51:15.639
they could hear it above the road
noise, me just holding my phone up

629
00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:19.920
and we just loved it, especially
when you did Miss Lauren from Everything Road,

630
00:51:20.559 --> 00:51:23.840
Everything motor Racing from Donegal. Shout
out Lauren. So thank you Rob

631
00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:30.119
for doing those accents. All right, okay, Christ, give us an

632
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:35.960
Irish accent there, do me.
I'd say something I'm going to do that

633
00:51:36.800 --> 00:51:38.000
I can't. I can't do it. I can't do it, like it

634
00:51:38.119 --> 00:51:43.719
just send a cringeeravy like there there
are some great people that canned you Irin

635
00:51:43.800 --> 00:51:49.079
shock, I Irin sh acc and
Irin shocks. I could see like Norland.

636
00:51:49.199 --> 00:51:52.159
But like I find that quite funny. Like yeah, like we started,

637
00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:55.239
like my friend and I were in
Paris. Once we started talking French

638
00:51:55.360 --> 00:52:00.960
and Irish accents, it was quite
funny, like Jimmappelle Linder stuff like that,

639
00:52:01.119 --> 00:52:05.559
you know, a really big Irish
like Northern Irish accent like but in

640
00:52:05.679 --> 00:52:09.599
France. Yeah, I got in
a lot of trouble for that because like

641
00:52:09.599 --> 00:52:14.119
I had like a colleague from Northern
Ireland and he did not like that one

642
00:52:14.199 --> 00:52:16.599
bit. But then years later,
like one of my friends heard it and

643
00:52:16.639 --> 00:52:20.800
actually thought it was funny. Found
out that it was a Northern Irish rugby

644
00:52:20.920 --> 00:52:24.239
coach working in France, and he
showed like a team for of him speaking

645
00:52:24.360 --> 00:52:28.880
French but with a strong Northern Irish
accent. It was quite hilarious. So

646
00:52:30.639 --> 00:52:32.920
I'll tell you what you could do
my accent anytime. I'll do New York

647
00:52:34.000 --> 00:52:40.000
accent all day long where I came
from. Accent me do Dublin or Chris

648
00:52:42.079 --> 00:52:45.400
you. I don't think I can
do one, can I? I don't

649
00:52:45.400 --> 00:52:49.400
think I can do an Irish accent
stuff Rob, I've tried to do it,

650
00:52:49.480 --> 00:52:52.719
and I don't think I can.
I've tried to do Steve English from

651
00:52:52.239 --> 00:52:59.039
from World Superbike and the more I
tried to talk about top rack Rass,

652
00:52:59.119 --> 00:53:02.159
Cathley Oaklue and his position on the
grid. But no, I'm not very

653
00:53:02.199 --> 00:53:08.000
good at doing I'm at doing Irish. But uh and yeah, my accent,

654
00:53:08.079 --> 00:53:12.880
I can do. You know some
of the the regional US accents.

655
00:53:12.920 --> 00:53:16.199
I can do you know some of
the southern accents. We so our program

656
00:53:16.360 --> 00:53:22.920
manager from South Georgia it sounded a
lot like smoking the bandit the other day

657
00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:27.519
and he was like, He's like, we're two hours of hitter schedule like

658
00:53:27.679 --> 00:53:32.400
that, and I'm like, we're
East. He's bounded down. I'll tell

659
00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:35.920
you what. But I can also
go to New York and tell you that

660
00:53:36.079 --> 00:53:38.280
my father is from Brooklyn, my
mother is from Queens and I have no

661
00:53:38.480 --> 00:53:42.719
problem doing that accent. I'll do
for you all day long, all right,

662
00:53:42.800 --> 00:53:45.280
forget about it all right, So
we have some things here from the

663
00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:52.360
folks and then we want so thanks
for sharing, Christopher. I'm an experiencer,

664
00:53:52.679 --> 00:53:57.280
more so my wife, and we've
not really told anyone about it.

665
00:53:58.119 --> 00:54:04.119
I use our experiencers as a community
to drive me as a researcher in my

666
00:54:04.280 --> 00:54:07.480
free time and use I'm not sure
the end probably got mixed up there,

667
00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:13.599
but no, we have a lot
of experiencers who have turn researchers because they

668
00:54:13.679 --> 00:54:17.599
want to figure out why what happened
to them and why we got one from

669
00:54:17.679 --> 00:54:25.519
Eli here. Question fire, Chris
Sharp, he's fire. Whatever happens to

670
00:54:25.760 --> 00:54:30.559
arrow having material of unknown origin?
Do you have more cheap details on that?

671
00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:38.159
Whatever I think he meant happened to
arrow having or material of unknown origin?

672
00:54:38.400 --> 00:54:42.599
Do you have any yes? Yeah, yeah, So about a year

673
00:54:42.639 --> 00:54:46.760
ago a source told me that they
have materials of unknown origin. I spoke

674
00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:50.960
to season Goff about it over and
over again, do you have materials of

675
00:54:51.039 --> 00:54:53.679
unknown origin? And she would not
answer the question. She could deny it.

676
00:54:54.079 --> 00:54:58.039
We agreed no, not yet.
We agreed with the statement she could

677
00:54:58.159 --> 00:55:01.199
deny it. And yeah, that's
the last I heard of it. But

678
00:55:01.320 --> 00:55:06.599
I need to follow up on that. I know that the TTSA materials apparently

679
00:55:06.639 --> 00:55:12.199
have ended up being kind of like
indicated to be of like the original or

680
00:55:12.199 --> 00:55:16.400
something like that the historical report.
But yeah, I'm not short materials were

681
00:55:16.440 --> 00:55:21.679
being referred to there. But I
can follow with that art just to see

682
00:55:21.719 --> 00:55:25.360
what's come from it. But from
my understanding, the ARIA did no digging

683
00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:31.280
at all. And let's just say
one or two of the advisors in the

684
00:55:31.360 --> 00:55:37.000
technical Advisory Group may have actually been
involved in one of the actual programs,

685
00:55:38.079 --> 00:55:44.559
which is quite hilarious. So yeah, so Kirkpatrick was compromised basically to the

686
00:55:44.639 --> 00:55:49.159
people that were surrounding him. So
yeah, that's where we're out. Unfortunately,

687
00:55:49.840 --> 00:55:53.519
I think Project Bluebook twenty twenty four, Rob, let's talk about your

688
00:55:54.039 --> 00:56:00.480
activism in terms of in your position
as an advocate for artism. Tell people

689
00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:06.519
about that. Yeah. So I
was brought in by the Health Service Executive

690
00:56:06.519 --> 00:56:10.000
which would be similar to the NHS, as a consultant to develop a service

691
00:56:10.159 --> 00:56:15.320
to support young autistic school leaders from
either a secondary school which would be the

692
00:56:15.400 --> 00:56:22.119
equivalent of high school or university into
employment with the transition phase. So with

693
00:56:22.280 --> 00:56:28.159
that I developed this service worth three
years into it. Now we've over one

694
00:56:28.199 --> 00:56:34.360
hundred clients that we're supporting at the
minute. We're building a corporate partnership across

695
00:56:34.480 --> 00:56:40.719
the board around different areas of Ireland
and we're offering consultancy to individual corporates around

696
00:56:42.480 --> 00:56:47.239
neudiversity in the workplace and helping them
to move their culture from where it's at

697
00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:54.199
now to become more neurodiverse and acceptance
or accepting and awareness aware around it.

698
00:56:55.440 --> 00:57:00.480
And then we work very closely in
consultation with individuals to help and transition into

699
00:57:00.880 --> 00:57:07.199
the working environment. There are so
many adults who are autistic in the industry

700
00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:10.480
who are under employed at the moment
because they can't hack the environment of the

701
00:57:10.519 --> 00:57:15.119
culture that they're working in. So
we work off the basis of science,

702
00:57:15.280 --> 00:57:19.199
so the work that we do is
pretty much evidence based. So over the

703
00:57:19.280 --> 00:57:23.239
last couple of years I've been fighting
for additional funding and revenue to come in

704
00:57:23.440 --> 00:57:30.400
to support this particular program nationally,
and we're at the moment now where we've

705
00:57:30.440 --> 00:57:37.159
come to the end of receiving funding
from the Irish Human Rights Commission, where

706
00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:45.000
we commission that money to go towards
an actual study as it were done in

707
00:57:45.119 --> 00:57:49.719
partnership with the individuals who use our
service to see how we could make it

708
00:57:49.840 --> 00:57:53.519
better and how we could address that
to employers as well. So it's pretty

709
00:57:53.599 --> 00:57:58.400
much evidence based practice all the way. And it's nothing about us without us.

710
00:57:58.440 --> 00:58:01.159
So the voice of the individual find
is at the center of everything that

711
00:58:01.239 --> 00:58:05.920
we do. So that's why I
not up a minute. And Chris,

712
00:58:06.039 --> 00:58:08.920
I know we have a hard out
for you, and I just want to

713
00:58:08.960 --> 00:58:13.679
finish up with rab and artism.
I know it's touched your life in some

714
00:58:13.880 --> 00:58:19.400
way. Did you have any words
about artism before you go? Yeah,

715
00:58:19.760 --> 00:58:23.679
I'm a huge admar of what Rob
is doing. Neurodiversity is hugely important,

716
00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:30.280
you know, from family right life
to school to the workplace. I just

717
00:58:30.320 --> 00:58:37.119
feel not enough work is being done
to actually help people that because life,

718
00:58:37.280 --> 00:58:38.840
you know, where it's politics,
where it's workplace, a lot of it

719
00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:46.519
is like associate you know, being
being sociable, playing workplace politics and stuff

720
00:58:46.599 --> 00:58:52.719
like that, having being social savvy, and you know, unfortunately, you

721
00:58:52.800 --> 00:58:57.360
know, there's a lot of talent
out there, you know, people with

722
00:58:57.480 --> 00:59:00.880
aspergers and things like that who have
a lot of knowledge, a lot of

723
00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:07.360
skill, but you know they don't
have the social skills to navigate the workplace

724
00:59:07.519 --> 00:59:14.960
and that's really really sad because oftentimes
performers and people who can play the game

725
00:59:15.039 --> 00:59:20.159
a rewarded if people with the best
knowledge don't always get rewarded because they don't

726
00:59:20.199 --> 00:59:22.800
have the correct social skills. And
I think that's really really sad that people

727
00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:28.599
like that don't get rewarded. And
yeah, I just feel they need to

728
00:59:28.639 --> 00:59:31.360
shout shine through when we need to
create the new system to accommodate with those

729
00:59:31.400 --> 00:59:34.679
people. And look, you know, when I was younger, I was

730
00:59:34.760 --> 00:59:37.280
deaf. I was deaf until like
the age of like four or five,

731
00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:40.480
and I know it was like to
be like four of as different and stuff

732
00:59:40.559 --> 00:59:45.079
like that. You know, I
still can't really speak that well sometimes,

733
00:59:45.360 --> 00:59:49.360
and yeah, and you do get
judged for it, you know, you

734
00:59:49.480 --> 00:59:52.440
do get judged for it. And
people can be really really mean because you

735
00:59:52.519 --> 00:59:58.079
don't fit in to their way of
seeing things or how someone should be.

736
00:59:58.159 --> 01:00:00.960
And you know that's where good is
frive. Importuate me. Yeah, so

737
01:00:01.280 --> 01:00:05.039
it's so important, and just thank
you for the work that you're doing,

738
01:00:05.199 --> 01:00:07.719
Robit. It's so crucial. And
I think we need to kind of like

739
01:00:07.840 --> 01:00:13.760
have more of this. And so
if I understand this correctly, just to

740
01:00:13.920 --> 01:00:17.440
kind of put it so the audience
understand. It's trying to make the workplace

741
01:00:17.719 --> 01:00:22.320
more accepting that someone who has autism, as you say, or has aspergers

742
01:00:22.400 --> 01:00:30.199
can apply and the company will be
able to make the necessary accommodations so that

743
01:00:30.360 --> 01:00:32.280
they can be in the work.
You know, be in a hybrid situation

744
01:00:32.400 --> 01:00:37.480
where they're part at home. I
know, although you're done thinking half alien

745
01:00:37.559 --> 01:00:42.320
and half half human. No hybrid
where they're half at home and partially working

746
01:00:42.400 --> 01:00:45.920
at work and that they know how
to interact with this person. It's an

747
01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:50.639
accepting work environment. That's essentially what
it is. And it's not just autism,

748
01:00:50.760 --> 01:00:55.000
it's it's neudiversity across the board,
absolutely, because the fundamental framework is

749
01:00:55.079 --> 01:01:00.159
the same in terms of support and
it's really just about AGK that's what it

750
01:01:00.320 --> 01:01:04.559
is. And it falls like with
the whole UAP thing. Ignorance, you

751
01:01:04.639 --> 01:01:08.400
know, comes out of the lack
of information, where education can create an

752
01:01:08.440 --> 01:01:14.639
opportunity to have a safe place to
have these discussions. And you know,

753
01:01:15.320 --> 01:01:21.639
my big thing in terms of what
we're doing is is building resilience for autistic

754
01:01:21.760 --> 01:01:25.960
people because anxiety is the problem and
society can be the disability. And if

755
01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:30.000
we can bring those two together,
then we can remove barriers and we can

756
01:01:30.079 --> 01:01:35.760
give people a voice and educate and
allow the autistic community to be the change

757
01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:40.639
agents within organizations. Yeah, I
want to say you know, like I

758
01:01:40.760 --> 01:01:43.800
told you on the phone, Rob, this is one of the reasons we're

759
01:01:43.920 --> 01:01:46.400
very proud to have you as part
of the community, because you're not just

760
01:01:46.639 --> 01:01:52.960
a UAP advocate, You're a great
human being. And Christopher Sharp, who

761
01:01:53.599 --> 01:01:58.119
was very late for me to have
pizza with him at the hotel, is

762
01:01:58.199 --> 01:02:01.360
not only a UAP advocate, he's
a great You. Chris, you're supposed

763
01:02:01.360 --> 01:02:06.400
to laugh at that, but the
second time he was. The second time

764
01:02:06.480 --> 01:02:08.400
though, he was on time.
I want to say that the second time

765
01:02:08.440 --> 01:02:13.239
we met, Chris was on time, so he really made up for it.

766
01:02:15.559 --> 01:02:17.760
You much. We love you,
Chris, We love you Rob.

767
01:02:19.519 --> 01:02:23.119
It's an honor to call both of
you friends. And that's essentially why CAB

768
01:02:23.239 --> 01:02:28.480
is doing this. So so before
we go, I would like to ask

769
01:02:28.599 --> 01:02:32.039
you to like and subscribe. We
are now we are on our own channel,

770
01:02:32.119 --> 01:02:37.519
back on our own channel again.
We've just started on Spreaker is going

771
01:02:37.599 --> 01:02:42.480
to be our new podcast host.
Please give us a like, a subscribe,

772
01:02:42.519 --> 01:02:45.880
and a comment. So we could
grow. We will be announcing a

773
01:02:45.119 --> 01:02:52.119
new show in short order. It
is going to be a in addition to

774
01:02:52.280 --> 01:02:57.639
this show, it's going to be
calling all Beings dot dot dot. We're

775
01:02:57.719 --> 01:03:01.280
going to be in the process of
producing this new show and researching for a

776
01:03:01.360 --> 01:03:06.039
couple of months. I think it's
going to be really exciting. Julie who's

777
01:03:06.079 --> 01:03:08.800
in the chat our chat matter writer, the Jewel of the Nile. She

778
01:03:09.039 --> 01:03:14.480
is aware of what we're doing.
She's been helping out in this new endeavor

779
01:03:14.639 --> 01:03:17.519
and I can't wait to announce it
when Nathan comes back from Europe and makes

780
01:03:17.559 --> 01:03:22.960
a logo for us. So thank
you guys for us spending time with us.

781
01:03:22.639 --> 01:03:24.800
I really appreciate it. Rob.
It was an honor to have you

782
01:03:25.280 --> 01:03:30.039
and Christopher and Lily, it was
an honored to have you. A little

783
01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:34.280
cutie, I can I throw something
in there because the two guys are going

784
01:03:34.360 --> 01:03:37.800
to kill me. So the two
guys on Twitter, Darkstar I Dot or

785
01:03:37.880 --> 01:03:44.519
Darkstar I E and Irish scientists and
they're working together with myself and developing a

786
01:03:44.960 --> 01:03:51.559
very comprehensive website around UAP with Ireland
advocating for us. So it'll be Ireland

787
01:03:52.519 --> 01:03:55.760
we're building that at a minute,
and it's going to be a resource tool

788
01:03:55.840 --> 01:04:00.239
and an information bank to drive traffic
to people like Chris, to drive traffic

789
01:04:00.280 --> 01:04:03.960
to people like yourself, to the
Gary Nolans of the world, the new

790
01:04:04.039 --> 01:04:09.719
Alesondo's of the world, including those
individuals whereby you guys will be considered as

791
01:04:09.920 --> 01:04:15.920
UAP stakeholders for advocacy and then the
rest will be UAP communicators. So we're

792
01:04:15.960 --> 01:04:19.679
gonna put that together and we're gonna
hopefully involve academia as well in the conversation.

793
01:04:20.719 --> 01:04:25.239
And it's like when Rob says Lou
Alexander and Gary Nolan, what he's

794
01:04:25.239 --> 01:04:30.719
saying is mahonies. That's what he's
saying. When Christopher Sharp says Susan Goff

795
01:04:30.960 --> 01:04:35.159
and Tim from the from the debrief, he's something about mahomies man and Jeremy

796
01:04:35.239 --> 01:04:42.719
Cormel and George Knapp mahmies So I
think we should bring in Sean, and

797
01:04:43.039 --> 01:04:48.239
we should bring in Susan on some
stage. Will have a nice conversation beyond

798
01:04:48.400 --> 01:04:53.679
camp with Sean and Susan and Chris. Uh. That would be hilarious.

799
01:04:53.840 --> 01:04:58.559
I love it all right, man, it was an honor to have you

800
01:04:58.639 --> 01:05:01.159
guys have a great rest of a
Sunday night for you, guys. You're

801
01:05:01.239 --> 01:05:06.199
awesome and we can't wait to have
you back. All right, take care

802
01:05:06.239 --> 01:05:11.039
of bye, everybody in the chat. Thank you, Mark and everybody else.

803
01:05:11.159 --> 01:05:13.840
Love you guys, peace out,
Bye,