Billy Cutting into Great American Red Baseball Off today. They got three games and
used him starting Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Believe it or not,
the Red Legs are now one and a half games out of first place,
one and a half games out of first by the records thirty four and thirty
five and one and a half games out of first place. And this could
be a preview of the World Series. They used in astronomicals, of course,
of the reigning the World Series champs. But the Reds right now the
hottest team in baseball, and most of their teams not coming back for another
few weeks, they can win. They can win without their best players,
supposedly, and even the Great Della Cruise at this point has gone goose egg
the last three games. But nonetheless, you may recall a couple of weeks
back, and we had the story of Professor Scott Gerber. Scott Gerber,
who was at Ohio Northern University College of Law for some twenty two twenty three
years, received about every award that the law school could give him. Very
well respected law school professor who was perp walked out of his own classroom by
university security personnel because he wasn't thinking right about diversity and d EI and Professor
Scott Gerber, welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show. And Professor, for
those who meant not have been listening a couple of weeks ago, can you
tell the American people the circumstances that brought you to radio this Thursday afternoon on
April fourteenth, I was teaching my constitutional law class, and just as my
class was ending, just before one o'clock, multiple campus security officers came into
the room in front of my students. Came to the front of the room
at the electorn where I was, and whispered into my ear something to the
effect of your respected member of the campus community, please follow us quietly to
the Dean's office. And then at the door waiting for me were armed town
police and then they all they, all of them, the group of them
led me to the Dean's sweet where the dean. They then took me into
the dean's office where handed me a piece of paper and said I had one
week to either resign or he would institute the ten year revocation process. And
so that's basically what got all this started at this moment and when they're whispering
in your ear. You're a respective member of the community follow us. Did
you what did you think? Was it like an active shooter in your mind?
Was family member had died? What did you think? Well, I
was confused when they did it. I was frightened. I looked up and
the students looked frightened, and of course I was humiliated by it. But
you mentioned the active shooter scenario. In fact, the campus newspaper, a
student who wrote an article about it, characterized it as it seemed like the
school was on lockdown because of some active shooters. So that's how ridiculous this
overkill with the armtown police was. So the number of armed guards would have
been three, four or five, and you're walking to the dean's office.
You've got to be thinking, oh my gosh, what's going on? And
so what precipitated this? Because I know what it is, but many may
not know. At this point, you had been there some more than twenty
years. You're well published. I've read some of your work in the passes
an Attorney. The Wall Street journals are rated on this. In your mind,
what were you told was the reason you were perp walked down to your
own classroom. Well, the dean put on the piece of paper that it
was collegiality. I either insufficient collegiality, but of course that's not even listed
in the faculty handbook obviously as the grounds for terminating a professor. But the
timing of it was that, you know, earlier that week I had written
an op ed in The Hill saying that Justice Clarence Thomas was allowed to have
friends, including a rich friend like Harlan Crowe. And then the week before
that I had done a TV interview, you know, criticizing these d EI
programs for drifting into illegality. And the week before that I had published two
op eds, one in Your Cincinnati Enquiring one in the Washington Examiner making the
same point. Earlier in the semester, I had pushed back against the fact
that our d EI program declude viewpoint diversity, and the president herself said that
they would not include viewpoint diversity when that's the most important type of diversity you
need in a college and in the university setting. And you know, I
had objected to illegal hiring practices in the past in the law school and things
like that, and so they just want to violate the law and get away
with it. And as far as Clarence Thomas and Harlan Crowe, this is
of course in national issue. And I've driven through Ada, I've driven through
High University, the county. But for those listening around the country, this
is a small rural county, a little bit south of Toledo, and the
most popular thing you see in that area are cornfields, and so one would
not anticipate this isn't exactly Stanford College of Law or NYU or Michigan College of
Law in which the so called best and the brightest might go there. Because
I won the University of Toledo and I got a great legal education in the
University of Toledo up the road from o NU. So how would you describe
to the American people listening around the country the quality and character of those living
around Ada, Ohio. We're not talking about a hotbed of left wing politics,
correct, Yeah, the community, it's it's Trump country where I'm at.
But the university, not surprised, is on the left, you know,
far left, and you know, and I love working with my students
and all of that, but clearly I'm not allowed to oppose what I view
as illegal hiring practices that d EI has led to. And speaking of how
small and will Aida and O and you are, I think that is.
And someone's actually told me this that because it's so small and isolated, the
administration thanks, no one will care what happens there, for example, what
happens to me, No one will careres If I was at Ohio State,
which is an urban, massive university, or if I was at Toledo,
where you went to law school, it's more urban and larger and it would
get attention. So I think the administration is frankly shocked that this has gotten
so much attention nationally. You mentioned the Wall Street Journal. I've been on
your Great show now twice. Michelle Kafoya, her interview with me a couple
of weeks ago, has the most used by far of anything on her show
her on their podcast series. There was an article this week and Just the
News where they had yet another development where they published a quote from a recently
graduated law student where the dean of the law school accused him of cheating on
a paper that he had written for a class from from me that won a
national award, a national award which got him five thousand dollars and the university
five thousand dollars, simply because the law student had contributed twenty dollars to the
Scott Gerber Legal Fund go fund me page. Think about think about that?
Sorry, harm expliment a student. Yeah, a student receives an award and
references you and the university comes after him with hooks and claws. Yeah.
It was the dean of the law school's necessarily Yeah, the dean the guy
that had me that summoned armed police to banish me from the campus. A
complaint was filed with the president of the university, Melissa Bowman. She claims
that she's sent it over to HR to investigate it. The student apparently has
been interviewed you yesterday by HR. But it's clear to me that they're just
going to try to cover it up and trivialize it and all of that because
one thing that they don't do it oh and youshold administrators accountable. And one
other new development, even though the dean used the police to do this to
me, even though the dean retaliated and accused the student of cheating, and
even though the dean has a documented history of making digoted comments about people.
They recently re upped them for another five years. That sends a message,
is to the outcome of your case. Isn't it ironic that you're teaching a
constitutional law class about procedural and substantive due process and the dean of the law
school to own you IO Northern ignores your own dess perp walks you out of
your own classroom, and then puts a document quickly in front of you saying,
signed this, We'll give you like fifty thousand dollars to shut up.
Isn't that ironic? Yeah, it's it's even worse than that bill, because
you know Peter Wood, the president of the National Association of Scholars, and
he's a major figure in higher education. He's written two public letters to own
US President condemning how I've been treated. And so she finally finally had her
PR, her PR officer. She didn't do it herself, but finally had
her P officer right to Peter Wood and actually claim that they're following all kinds
of due process, which of course is not true because the American Association of
the University Professors has already written them twice condemning how they're hand during this procedurally,
and the American Association of University Professors. He's on the left. I'm
not on the left. But the violations of my due process are so egregious
that they've written the university twice and told them to clean this up, and
they just ignore it and then misstate what these other groups have actually said to
them. Professor Scott Garber of Ohio Northern University College of Law, I guess
formerly, hopefully in the future. Isn't the clear message being sent by a
small law school and the state of Ohio. There's one way of looking at
jurisprudence. There's one way of looking at Clarence Thomas, there's one way of
looking at DNI. And if you don't look our way, whether you're a
student or a twenty three year tenured college law school professor, we will come
after you and make your life miserable. Doesn't this have a chilling effect on
any free speech in the future? Absolutely, and speaking of precisely that.
Just last night, the leading authority on mobbing i e. Group bulling and
Higher Education UH posted an analysis of my situation at Ohio Northern University where he
makes exactly those points, and he also sent it last night to the president
of Ohio Northern University and he actually, you know, said there that listen,
unless you guys stop doing that this kind of stuff to people like Scott
just because he doesn't think like you do, your universities is at risk of
being shut down. That's actually what he wrote. What is group bullying?
Because I think differently than my colleagues and the administration. Everyone's just trying to
ruin me. You know, that's it. It's not just one bully on
the playground, it's the whole the whole system, that's what it is.
So yeah, go ahead, please, yeah, your listeners could you know
if they google um Kenneth west Hoost w E S t h U S,
you'll get to a scientific web page and there'll be a link to my that's
the case study he just posted about me. And it's incredibly sophisticated because he's
brilliant. So they'll under they'll be educated better than I can do on what
mobbing is. So to be accredited by a law school, your law school
must be accredited by these various academic groups in order to have your law degrees
recognized and to sit for the bar examine. Ohio you've got to be credited.
Someone like Tony Benner just can show up in Columbus and say I'm going
to take the law school three day test to become a lawyer. You have
to be accredited. You got to go to an accredited law school in order
to be able to sit for the bar to become an attorney. So in
this case, if they take away the accreditation of a higher Northern university law
school, they're out of business. Yeah, but as you this won't surprise
you either. Bill. You know, the ABA, who is our crediting
body, is on the left. No clue a the ABA wants this DEI
stuff. But that said, I'm told that my situation is being brought to
the attention of bodies like that. I don't have the specifics, but I've
been told that Professor Scott gerber hero Ra the middle of June. I would
assume law school is out, but I can recall taking some summer classes University
of Toledo just to keep it and make it easier in me in the fall.
Is this issue tamped down in the Aida, Ohio or is it still
proliferating. Well, it's still getting you know, national at tension there you
know I'm talking to you. For example, that's not a minor thing.
But you know, there was a newspaper story a couple of days ago.
I got reached out to by the Chronicle of Higher Education. A periodical called
Just the News just published a bombshell article and that was the one where they
outed the dean for accusing the student that won the first a first prize ten
thousand dollars in a national competition. He accused him of having me write the
paper form, which is about as far from two true as me being better
at than bron James at basketball. It's not even plausible. I read the
paper, gave him an a on the paper because it was fantastic, and
encouraged him to publish the paper in Our Law with you, which he did.
And then it goes even beyond that, and he won's a national prize
in Washington, DC. What do you want to see happen? I'm sure
they're going to offer you some shekels of one type or another to kind of
go away. What do you want to see happen in this case? Well,
as I think I mentioned before, I want I want to keep my
job. I'm great at my job. I love working with my students.
I love writing about ideas. I'm very good at it. You know.
At one other point, I won the Teaching the Writing Prize this year and
the Dean withheld it from me. Think about that comment, because he certainly
can't call in the police for a professor that just won the writing prize,
you know that kind of stuff. So I'd also like a public apology from
the president. I'd also like whoever orchestrated this to be held accountable for it.
And you know that seems to me, you know, like it's the
Dean, But Peter Wood actually thinks the President herself had to sign off on
it. And of course the President's not going to hold herself accountable for it,
and so instead they're going to try to ruin my life and ruin my
career the president of their own misdeeds. The President's Melissa Bowman, Is that
correct? Yeah? U M A N N yes, Professor. Well,
and lastly, we'll see what happens. I'm going to continue to follow the
story to a logical conclusion. The lawsuit has not yet been filed. You
want to work internally, as I understand it, and what is your a
website? If people want to help you with your legal defense fund. If
you google h Scott Gerber Legal Fund, it comes right up. It's it's
a go fund me page, Scott Gerber Legal Fund. It'll come right up.
I will continue to follow this to his logical conclusion. I will encourage
my brothers and sisters and talk radio to do the same thing, because your
fight today will be our fight tomorrow. Professor Scott Gerber, once again,
thank you for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. Thank you, Professor Well,
thank you very much. Bill. I appreciate it. God bless America.
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