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Billy Cutting into Great American Red Baseball
Off today. They got three games and

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used him starting Friday, Saturday,
and Sunday. Believe it or not,

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the Red Legs are now one and
a half games out of first place,

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one and a half games out of
first by the records thirty four and thirty

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five and one and a half games
out of first place. And this could

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be a preview of the World Series. They used in astronomicals, of course,

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of the reigning the World Series champs. But the Reds right now the

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hottest team in baseball, and most
of their teams not coming back for another

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few weeks, they can win.
They can win without their best players,

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supposedly, and even the Great Della
Cruise at this point has gone goose egg

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the last three games. But nonetheless, you may recall a couple of weeks

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back, and we had the story
of Professor Scott Gerber. Scott Gerber,

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who was at Ohio Northern University College
of Law for some twenty two twenty three

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years, received about every award that
the law school could give him. Very

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well respected law school professor who was
perp walked out of his own classroom by

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university security personnel because he wasn't thinking
right about diversity and d EI and Professor

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Scott Gerber, welcome again to the
Bill Cunningham Show. And Professor, for

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those who meant not have been listening
a couple of weeks ago, can you

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tell the American people the circumstances that
brought you to radio this Thursday afternoon on

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April fourteenth, I was teaching my
constitutional law class, and just as my

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class was ending, just before one
o'clock, multiple campus security officers came into

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the room in front of my students. Came to the front of the room

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at the electorn where I was,
and whispered into my ear something to the

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effect of your respected member of the
campus community, please follow us quietly to

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the Dean's office. And then at
the door waiting for me were armed town

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police and then they all they,
all of them, the group of them

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led me to the Dean's sweet where
the dean. They then took me into

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the dean's office where handed me a
piece of paper and said I had one

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week to either resign or he would
institute the ten year revocation process. And

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so that's basically what got all this
started at this moment and when they're whispering

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in your ear. You're a respective
member of the community follow us. Did

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you what did you think? Was
it like an active shooter in your mind?

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Was family member had died? What
did you think? Well, I

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was confused when they did it.
I was frightened. I looked up and

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the students looked frightened, and of
course I was humiliated by it. But

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you mentioned the active shooter scenario.
In fact, the campus newspaper, a

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student who wrote an article about it, characterized it as it seemed like the

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school was on lockdown because of some
active shooters. So that's how ridiculous this

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overkill with the armtown police was.
So the number of armed guards would have

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been three, four or five,
and you're walking to the dean's office.

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You've got to be thinking, oh
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so what precipitated this? Because I
know what it is, but many may

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not know. At this point,
you had been there some more than twenty

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years. You're well published. I've
read some of your work in the passes

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an Attorney. The Wall Street journals
are rated on this. In your mind,

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what were you told was the reason
you were perp walked down to your

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own classroom. Well, the dean
put on the piece of paper that it

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was collegiality. I either insufficient collegiality, but of course that's not even listed

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in the faculty handbook obviously as the
grounds for terminating a professor. But the

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timing of it was that, you
know, earlier that week I had written

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an op ed in The Hill saying
that Justice Clarence Thomas was allowed to have

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friends, including a rich friend like
Harlan Crowe. And then the week before

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that I had done a TV interview, you know, criticizing these d EI

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programs for drifting into illegality. And
the week before that I had published two

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op eds, one in Your Cincinnati
Enquiring one in the Washington Examiner making the

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same point. Earlier in the semester, I had pushed back against the fact

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that our d EI program declude viewpoint
diversity, and the president herself said that

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they would not include viewpoint diversity when
that's the most important type of diversity you

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need in a college and in the
university setting. And you know, I

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had objected to illegal hiring practices in
the past in the law school and things

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like that, and so they just
want to violate the law and get away

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with it. And as far as
Clarence Thomas and Harlan Crowe, this is

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of course in national issue. And
I've driven through Ada, I've driven through

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High University, the county. But
for those listening around the country, this

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is a small rural county, a
little bit south of Toledo, and the

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most popular thing you see in that
area are cornfields, and so one would

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not anticipate this isn't exactly Stanford College
of Law or NYU or Michigan College of

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Law in which the so called best
and the brightest might go there. Because

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I won the University of Toledo and
I got a great legal education in the

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University of Toledo up the road from
o NU. So how would you describe

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to the American people listening around the
country the quality and character of those living

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around Ada, Ohio. We're not
talking about a hotbed of left wing politics,

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correct, Yeah, the community,
it's it's Trump country where I'm at.

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But the university, not surprised,
is on the left, you know,

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far left, and you know,
and I love working with my students

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and all of that, but clearly
I'm not allowed to oppose what I view

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as illegal hiring practices that d EI
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small and will Aida and O and
you are, I think that is.

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And someone's actually told me this that
because it's so small and isolated, the

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administration thanks, no one will care
what happens there, for example, what

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happens to me, No one will
careres If I was at Ohio State,

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which is an urban, massive university, or if I was at Toledo,

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where you went to law school,
it's more urban and larger and it would

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get attention. So I think the
administration is frankly shocked that this has gotten

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so much attention nationally. You mentioned
the Wall Street Journal. I've been on

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your Great show now twice. Michelle
Kafoya, her interview with me a couple

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of weeks ago, has the most
used by far of anything on her show

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her on their podcast series. There
was an article this week and Just the

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News where they had yet another development
where they published a quote from a recently

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graduated law student where the dean of
the law school accused him of cheating on

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a paper that he had written for
a class from from me that won a

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national award, a national award which
got him five thousand dollars and the university

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five thousand dollars, simply because the
law student had contributed twenty dollars to the

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Scott Gerber Legal Fund go fund me
page. Think about think about that?

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Sorry, harm expliment a student.
Yeah, a student receives an award and

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references you and the university comes after
him with hooks and claws. Yeah.

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It was the dean of the law
school's necessarily Yeah, the dean the guy

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that had me that summoned armed police
to banish me from the campus. A

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complaint was filed with the president of
the university, Melissa Bowman. She claims

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that she's sent it over to HR
to investigate it. The student apparently has

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been interviewed you yesterday by HR.
But it's clear to me that they're just

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going to try to cover it up
and trivialize it and all of that because

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one thing that they don't do it
oh and youshold administrators accountable. And one

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other new development, even though the
dean used the police to do this to

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me, even though the dean retaliated
and accused the student of cheating, and

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even though the dean has a documented
history of making digoted comments about people.

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They recently re upped them for another
five years. That sends a message,

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is to the outcome of your case. Isn't it ironic that you're teaching a

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constitutional law class about procedural and substantive
due process and the dean of the law

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school to own you IO Northern ignores
your own dess perp walks you out of

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your own classroom, and then puts
a document quickly in front of you saying,

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signed this, We'll give you like
fifty thousand dollars to shut up.

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Isn't that ironic? Yeah, it's
it's even worse than that bill, because

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you know Peter Wood, the president
of the National Association of Scholars, and

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he's a major figure in higher education. He's written two public letters to own

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US President condemning how I've been treated. And so she finally finally had her

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PR, her PR officer. She
didn't do it herself, but finally had

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her P officer right to Peter Wood
and actually claim that they're following all kinds

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of due process, which of course
is not true because the American Association of

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the University Professors has already written them
twice condemning how they're hand during this procedurally,

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and the American Association of University Professors. He's on the left. I'm

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not on the left. But the
violations of my due process are so egregious

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that they've written the university twice and
told them to clean this up, and

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they just ignore it and then misstate
what these other groups have actually said to

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them. Professor Scott Garber of Ohio
Northern University College of Law, I guess

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formerly, hopefully in the future.
Isn't the clear message being sent by a

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small law school and the state of
Ohio. There's one way of looking at

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jurisprudence. There's one way of looking
at Clarence Thomas, there's one way of

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looking at DNI. And if you
don't look our way, whether you're a

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student or a twenty three year tenured
college law school professor, we will come

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after you and make your life miserable. Doesn't this have a chilling effect on

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any free speech in the future?
Absolutely, and speaking of precisely that.

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Just last night, the leading authority
on mobbing i e. Group bulling and

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Higher Education UH posted an analysis of
my situation at Ohio Northern University where he

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makes exactly those points, and he
also sent it last night to the president

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of Ohio Northern University and he actually, you know, said there that listen,

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unless you guys stop doing that this
kind of stuff to people like Scott

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just because he doesn't think like you
do, your universities is at risk of

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being shut down. That's actually what
he wrote. What is group bullying?

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Because I think differently than my colleagues
and the administration. Everyone's just trying to

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ruin me. You know, that's
it. It's not just one bully on

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the playground, it's the whole the
whole system, that's what it is.

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So yeah, go ahead, please, yeah, your listeners could you know

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if they google um Kenneth west Hoost
w E S t h U S,

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you'll get to a scientific web page
and there'll be a link to my that's

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the case study he just posted about
me. And it's incredibly sophisticated because he's

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brilliant. So they'll under they'll be
educated better than I can do on what

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mobbing is. So to be accredited
by a law school, your law school

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must be accredited by these various academic
groups in order to have your law degrees

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recognized and to sit for the bar
examine. Ohio you've got to be credited.

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Someone like Tony Benner just can show
up in Columbus and say I'm going

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to take the law school three day
test to become a lawyer. You have

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to be accredited. You got to
go to an accredited law school in order

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to be able to sit for the
bar to become an attorney. So in

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this case, if they take away
the accreditation of a higher Northern university law

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school, they're out of business.
Yeah, but as you this won't surprise

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you either. Bill. You know, the ABA, who is our crediting

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body, is on the left.
No clue a the ABA wants this DEI

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stuff. But that said, I'm
told that my situation is being brought to

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the attention of bodies like that.
I don't have the specifics, but I've

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been told that Professor Scott gerber hero
Ra the middle of June. I would

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assume law school is out, but
I can recall taking some summer classes University

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of Toledo just to keep it and
make it easier in me in the fall.

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Is this issue tamped down in the
Aida, Ohio or is it still

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proliferating. Well, it's still getting
you know, national at tension there you

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know I'm talking to you. For
example, that's not a minor thing.

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But you know, there was a
newspaper story a couple of days ago.

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I got reached out to by the
Chronicle of Higher Education. A periodical called

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Just the News just published a bombshell
article and that was the one where they

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outed the dean for accusing the student
that won the first a first prize ten

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thousand dollars in a national competition.
He accused him of having me write the

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paper form, which is about as
far from two true as me being better

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at than bron James at basketball.
It's not even plausible. I read the

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paper, gave him an a on
the paper because it was fantastic, and

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encouraged him to publish the paper in
Our Law with you, which he did.

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And then it goes even beyond that, and he won's a national prize

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in Washington, DC. What do
you want to see happen? I'm sure

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they're going to offer you some shekels
of one type or another to kind of

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go away. What do you want
to see happen in this case? Well,

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as I think I mentioned before,
I want I want to keep my

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job. I'm great at my job. I love working with my students.

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I love writing about ideas. I'm
very good at it. You know.

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At one other point, I won
the Teaching the Writing Prize this year and

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the Dean withheld it from me.
Think about that comment, because he certainly

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can't call in the police for a
professor that just won the writing prize,

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you know that kind of stuff.
So I'd also like a public apology from

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the president. I'd also like whoever
orchestrated this to be held accountable for it.

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And you know that seems to me, you know, like it's the

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Dean, But Peter Wood actually thinks
the President herself had to sign off on

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it. And of course the President's
not going to hold herself accountable for it,

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and so instead they're going to try
to ruin my life and ruin my

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career the president of their own misdeeds. The President's Melissa Bowman, Is that

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correct? Yeah? U M A
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and lastly, we'll see what happens. I'm going to continue to follow the

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story to a logical conclusion. The
lawsuit has not yet been filed. You

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want to work internally, as I
understand it, and what is your a

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website? If people want to help
you with your legal defense fund. If

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you google h Scott Gerber Legal Fund, it comes right up. It's it's

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a go fund me page, Scott
Gerber Legal Fund. It'll come right up.

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I will continue to follow this to
his logical conclusion. I will encourage

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my brothers and sisters and talk radio
to do the same thing, because your

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fight today will be our fight tomorrow. Professor Scott Gerber, once again,

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thank you for coming on the Bill
Cunningham Show. Thank you, Professor Well,

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thank you very much. Bill.
I appreciate it. God bless America.

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Thank you. Let's continue with more
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later on we've scheduled Dick Williams,
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the president and CEO of Skyline Chili
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