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Well off of the weekend, in
fact, the first weekend of July July

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fourth extended weekend. I mean,
I know people that are on like a

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five day holiday right now, but
we are not. We are here with

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the Fight Freaks Unite Recap podcast,
coming off of a weekend that has seen

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Jared Real Big Baby Anderson forced to
a ten round fight and tested and hit.

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We're gonna talk about that. He
did get the win, but there

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was some eye there were some eye
opening moments more than one from his fight

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in Toledo, Ohio. We have
seen the women's undisputed super middleweight crowns change

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hands. Savannah Marshall is the new
champion. We're gonna recap that. We

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got big time fight news, we
got some nostalgia and much more. I

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am merely the somewhat competent host TJ. Reeves. He is our insider from

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Fight Preaks United, Substack and Big
Fight Weekend dot Com. Hello Dan,

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Rayphael good today with you. Are
we ready to consume plenty of I know

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you don't do hot dogs, hamburgers, prize bake beans, whatever for the

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July fourth holiday. None of that, none of that appeals to you.

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Maybe a little barbecue. But nothing
big, nothing big for you. We

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are we are scrambling in the reefs
household. By the way, it's my

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mother's birthday, July second. Twins
were almost born, by the way,

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on my mother's birthday. They were
born June twenty eighth. My mother's birthday

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July second. The country's birthday is
July fourth. Interesting for the history majors

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that are out there. We declared
our independence as a country as the colonist

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on July second, the date that
we're releasing this podcast. But it took

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them two days for Thomas Jefferson to
write and edit, and they approved the

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declaration of independence on July fourth,
Brother Raypheel, So there's actually the declaration

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was made on the second, on
the day that we're doing this, written

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though, and signed on the fourth. Just while we're being technical about our

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Americans, usually we talked about boxing
history thing. Normally we do. Yes,

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now we go and that's that that
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was, in fact when I went
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go, there is a little bit
of history there. And the first person

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to sign it was John Hancock in
the biggest, boldest cursive print he could

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make because he was mad at the
British above everybody else. So there you

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go, little history, little nostalgia. Later on in this show about July

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fourth and July fourth week and stuff
in and around Nat we're gonna get into

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the fights in a moment. First
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So before the fight recaps, we
had put the preview podcast to bed.

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We put the bet US handicapping show
to bed, and lo and behold,

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we find out from social media photos
that it is Canelo Alvarez fighting a Charlo.

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It is on September thirtieth. But
brother Raypiel, it ain't the Charlo

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that we thought it was. It's
Jeremel Charlo, the undisputed one hundred and

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fifty four pound amp, not his
twin brother Jermal. This is Jermel the

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again the junior middleweight champion. All
right, so let's lead off the discussion

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with that this was a swerm,
a plot twist. Here your thoughts.

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It's interesting, I mean, it's
it wasn't what anybody expected. And what

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people should remember is when Tanello first
said or post it anyway on his social

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media Instagram, primarily back on I
believe it was January twenty I'm sorry,

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June twenty second, that I'll see
you in September or done deal or something

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like that, I'm back September twenty
twenty three. Didn't say the date specific,

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didn't say the location, didn't say
the opponent. Okay, So once

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he does that, though, then
myself and obviously others of us who cover

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boxing and talk to the people involved, make our phone calls, make our

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text make our emails, etc.
You know, our discussions with those different

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people, and everybody reported the same
thing coming from those groups of people,

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and it was accurate that the fight
was going to be against as you mentioned,

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the middleweight Charlot, that is Jermal
Charlot, who had not fought for

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two years. A lot of people
I think there was some negativity related that

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because not because he's not an excellent
fighter, but because of the long layoff

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and the fact that even when he
last fought hadn't looked particularly sharp. In

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any event, it still was a
pretty big fight, first fight of what

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we also reported as a three fight
agreement with PBC. Now, one thing

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that I wrote about and had reported
about was the fact that while most people

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assumed that this fight would take place
on September sixteenth, because that was actually

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the Saturday, That Saturday is September
sixteenth is Mexican Independence Day weekend. Typically

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he likes to fight on that weekend, so it could be the fourteenth to

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fifteenth to sixteenth, but whatever the
closest date was on a Saturday to the

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Mexican Independence Day. This is one
of the rare occasions where the Mexican Independence

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actually falls on the sixteenth. So
a lot of people made the assumption he

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would fight on that date and do
so in Las Vegas at the team Obile

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Arena, But as it turns out, the Teamobile Arena is occupied on that

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night by a UFC. That so
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discuss because there's been a lot of
I believe misinformation that has been presented,

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largely due to social media and others
who've written about it without I don't think

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really knowing the facts. Let's talk
about the date situation first. How's that

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sound certainly fire away. So from
my understanding, they wanted to go September

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sixteenth. Obviously, that's the Mexican
Independence Day weekend originally, and this is

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before Canello left or shouldn't say left, but decided not to have his next

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fight with Eddie Hearn, because my
understanding is there was not like he left

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him on any kind of animosity or
negativity. It just that he didn't have

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the fighters that he could fight,
and maybe the money with his own was

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not as great as it would have
been with PBC. So he goes to

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PBC and he signed this deal without
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is that Natch Room had put a
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date of September sixteenth. And when
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just say I'm going to do an
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the event. Every event in combat, whether it's MMA or boxing or you

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know, a taekwondo event or whatever
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Letic Commission you go to them and
you put in what your requests are,

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and you know, usually it's a
rubber stamp, but it has to be

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approved by the Commission, and they
go through their process and they have a

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meeting every single month, and at
that meeting they approved the dates. I

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can say this in my twenty plus
years of following what the Commission does and

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reading their agendas every single month,
because I received them that never. It's

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very rare, almost. I can't
even think of an example where they didn't

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approve a date, you know,
as long as it was done under the

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normal procedures. So the date was
approved. Now what happens is other people

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and challenge that date. UFC apparently
challenged the sixteenth, and because Canello is

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now off doing his own thing,
there was no response from the other side,

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so it was sort of like they
they gave them the UFC the date

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because there was no nothing specific for
the September sixteenth. And by the time,

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as if I'm correct, on the
Nevada Commission, they're also regulating MMA,

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they're regulating mixed martial arts on the
date, they oversee both go ahead.

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Yes, So the UFC got the
date, so they are doing the

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show on the sixteenth. Okay,
so that's why he's not on the sixteenth,

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but he still wants to fight.
He still wants to fight. But

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the point here was the choice came
down to we can go, Well,

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they can go on the sixteenth in
another location, go to California, go

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to Arizona, go to Texas wherever. Or they can go to a because

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they wanted to be at the Team
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and go on a different date.
So Team Obile arena is available on the

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thirtieth. So the decision was made
and I don't know who you know how

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exactly it went down, but the
bottom line was, and I'm sure Showtime

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was involved in all the different people
that are involved with this event, they

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made the decision that it was better
to go and be a Team mobile where

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they can get a much larger gait
on the thirtieth, than to go some

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other place in the United States on
the sixteenth. Well, I can add

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I can add this part to this
because a couple of people brought up brought

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up, well what about the MGM
Grand Garden Arena. Why couldn't you fight

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there? And you and I are
not familiar with this guy, but this

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guy is a huge Mexican music star. And on the night of Mexican Independence

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Dayandro Fernandez is profing his concert at
the MGM Grand Garden Arena, and that

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apparently been reserved months ago, maybe
even a year ago, so that it

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is not available. Yes, MGM
Grand, if they're not having a boxing

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event on the Mexican Independence Day weekend, they always have a big Mexican artist.

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And I know I've heard of Andre's
Fernandez because it's not the first time

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he's played Aljandro Fernandez before we gets
my best. All I'm saying is that

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there's been plenty of times where I've
stayed at the MGM because that's the fighting

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hotel for the Canelo fight, even
though the fight itself is at T Mobile,

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And when you walk around the MGM, you see the signage and other

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people that are there to see the
concert, etc. So not a surprise

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at all. So that was not
available. And also, and I don't

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know this to be the case,
but it wouldn't be unprecedented. It's also

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the commission who has the right to
not regulate two big events on the same

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night. Now, they have done
it in the past. I mean,

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there's a very famous example when Canelo
Alvarez was still not a pay per view

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star or you know, the biggest
superstar in the sport, but was still

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a main event, big deal on
Showtime when he fought Jozacito Lopez in a

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title defense at junior middleweight. That
was at the MGM Grand Garden Arena,

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and on the same night, myself
and most of the other, uh you

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know, writers from the larger outlets
and bigger media, we were at the

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Thomas and Mack Center down the street
covering another big Mexican An Independence Day weekend

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fight, which was the middleweight championship
fight between Julio says Our Chavez Junior and

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Sergio Martinez. So the commission did
regulate those two major events on the same

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night, both of which were essentially
sold out. So that that's the situation

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from the day. So he's going
on the thirtieth on at Team Mobile arena.

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So he announced the thirtieth in his
Bros. Recent announcement with the Charlot

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brother in the picture. Didn't say
specifically the venue, but it will be

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that venue, Team Mobile. It
will be Showtime pay per view. Now

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the question is how does he wind
up going from Jermaal to Jermel, and

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here's the deal with that. The
junior middleweight Charlo Hui is going to fight,

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which is Jamel. Charlot has been
in this situation with a hand injury

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that forced him to postpone his January
title defense in the mandatory against him Zoo,

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a fight a lot of us were
looking forward to, was set for

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late January, was going to be
on showtime in Las Vegas. He postpones

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the fight. He takes an interim
fight, thinking that you know, Charlot

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is supposed to be ready around June, that's what everybody's said. He fought

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and he beat and won the interim
tunnel against Tony Harrison. So now it's

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under it's come to everybody's attention that
Charlot will not be ready to go in

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June. So he takes another interim
fight and that was the knockout in the

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first round. That was a couple
of weeks ago against against Carlos Ocampo.

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So since that fight took place,
that was with the dog bite in the

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whole thing. So since that fight
happened, everybody on both sides has been

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operating under the scenario that Tim Zoo
and Charlo are going to fight this fall

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in the United States. Zoo's team
has been making preparations for it. I've

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talked to the people that showed him. They were believing that that was happening.

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I didn't hear from Charlo specific,
but everybody around it was saying,

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this is what we're doing, this
is the plan now all along. When

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Kennello has now signed with Hayman,
he didn't sign with Hayman and say I'm

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fighting Charlo and then they're gonna have
to go do another thing later on for

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the next opponent, and then for
the third opponent. The contract that he

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has with PBC specifically has different fighters
listed of who they might fight. Whether

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the terms are there or not,
I can't say that, but they have

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a basic list, and you don't
have to be a rocket scientist to know

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who you're talking about. It's the
Charlot brothers. It's David Benavetti's Yeah,

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it's it's David Morrell. It's probably
Demitrius Andre. Maybe it's Caleb Plant again,

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if there's a reason and he rebounds
and then comes back in any kind

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of meaningful manner, etc. The
point is we understand who these guys,

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and Errol Spence was by the way, a guy I've been told that's listed

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in that paperwork, which is going
to be a big fight if it happens

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down the road. Obviously, Errol
has his business to deal with over the

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next several months, whether it's the
first fight with Crawford, potentially a second

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fight with Crawford, whatever, but
that's the deal. So everybody has known

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that those were the sort of the
universe of fighters that they would pick from.

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Going back a couple of weeks ago
when he first signed, it was

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supposed to be the middleweight Charlot that
was going to be the opponent, but

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it was not one hundred percent.
There was the possibility that maybe he wouldn't

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be one hundred percent ready to go
for reasons that I have outlined and stories.

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So he had been injured, but
the injury is not the issue.

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He is going through a very If
you think what Tifimo Lopez is going through

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in terms of a bitter divorce and
custody fight, that's like child's play compared

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to what Charlo's involved with. Unfortunately, so I feel bad for the guy.

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He's dealing with a very, very
terrible personal situation with his family falling

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apart and his wife and his kids, so you know, and I believe

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there are four children involved with her
whatever, it's at least four. And

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it's look, I get it,
and so you understand if he's not available

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to fight, he's not available to
fight. But that's where the swerve comes

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in and now I'll pull it off. So that the thing was, it's

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supposed to be the middleweight Charlo,
but they always had and this was known

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at the time that in the back
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and when it became apparent in I
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days, eight days, ten days, like the both charlot As, we're

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in the mix. Even though it
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Even because Showtime and Tim Zoo and
everybody PBC was operating like they were doing

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the mandatory junior middleweight undisputed fight,
it got to a point where they have

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to make a decision and the middleweight
Charlo was not going to be available and

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ready for different reasons related to what's
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And so Jamel Charlo gets the call, takes it, is happy to

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do. It will make a big
pay day he is moving up two way

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classes, not just one like his
brother would be. But they're basically the

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same size guy. I mean,
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you know, he's been off about
It'll be fifteen months by a time he

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gets back in the ring, because
he hasn't fought since he won the Undisputed

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Crown in the unification of the rematch
of the draw with Brian Castagno in in

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a tremendous battle where he stopped Castagno. So that's the situation now. Obviously

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it would have been made a lot
easier for everybody if Cannella would have just

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manned up a faughbed Benavides. But
you know, you know, what can

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I say? But uh, you
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I understand where some people come from
that, you know, he's supposedly

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so much smaller. But I have
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I'm actually more interested to see Canello
with Jamel Charlo coming up two way classes

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because to me, Jamel has been
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that he's been hugely active, but
at least a little bit more active.

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He's coming off a great win in
a great knockout performance against Castagna and what

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was a fight of the year type
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well, he's so much smaller,
I mean, I get that,

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and believe me, we've discussed that
a million times. But remember Cannello also

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spent a huge amount of his career
as a junior middleweight as well, and

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he's not a huge super middleweight either. I mean, and you can tell

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he struggled that light heavyweight when he
fought Evil. So I'm still interested in

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the fight. Like I said,
I'd rather see him fight Benavides, but

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I'm okay with the Charlot fight.
And again from the historical point of view,

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and I don't want to make too
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it's the times we live in.
For the sake of a footnote of history,

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it is the first time in men's
boxing, at least that there will

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be a reigning undisputed champion in the
four belt era moving to a different weight

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class to fight this the four belt
champion from that year. So we've seen

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it in the women's boxing side of
things, because just recently we had the

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four belt lightweight champion Katie Taylor move
up and challenge the four belt junior welterweight

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champion Chantel Cameron. But in men's
boxing, it's never happened. And it

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again, I'm not saying it's the
reason you buy the fight, but it's

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just an interesting sort of sidelight and
it's you know, it's Canello back in

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action against a very reputable fighter.
Okay, So I've got two or three

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things that I'm going to put out
there because you gave us. I hope

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I put that right. No,
you got all of that right. You

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got all of that right, and
great insight on all of that. All

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right. So the first thing is, obviously, and you didn't say this,

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Charlo's belts are not on the line
because he's fighting it one sixty eighth.

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They're not finding it one fifty four. So it's great, it's a

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big Let me have one thing.
By the way, Yeah, I am

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told by those involved that there is
no catch weight for this fight, not

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that there should be, but that
because that's always an issue sometimes that it's

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a straight one sixty eight, no
rehydration clause, nonsen. It's not that

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that would be the case because Nnell
will be in the as side is not

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going to want to like you know, penalize himself. So at the point

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is it's a straight und sixty eight
fight. My understand there was a Mexican

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reporter and I don't have the name
in front of me, who writes for

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ESPN's Mexico website, and he had
actually tweeted about ten days ago that he

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was hearing Jemel Charlo and he had
it in the tweet and he was hearing

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catch weight one sixty five. So
that's kind of where the internet and Twitter

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have focused on that in the last
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catchweight clarify? I said all along, Jemel was a backup plan right right.

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It was never going to be the
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the point where push comes to shove, when the rubber had throwed whatever cliche

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you want to use, when they
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and have it aside, who was
going to be the one standing across the

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ring? Jamal was not going to
be available. And as I joke with

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somebody involved that what's the big deal
You just change one letter in the agreement

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from an A, because there's no
change my understanding, there's no change in

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the terms in terms of like what
the money is going to be for Canelo

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and all that. There's no change
in terms for what the other charlot would

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have gotten compared to what this charlot
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I also I joked around, I
mean, you know, who would even

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know? Just say it's Jamal and
just let Jamal do the fight because they

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look the same because they're twins.
But anyway, all right, all right,

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So I've got two or three things
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again, none of Jamal Charlo's belts
are on the line because it's not

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a one fifty four limit fight.
So the next couple of things. Number

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One, they've screwed Tim Zoo in
this and that sucks for Tim Zoo.

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Welcome to boxing. I never begrudge
anybody trying to make more money however they

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can make money. But the Charlo's
and Hayman and PBC should be called out

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for screwing Tim Zoo during this whole
thing because they had a contract which I'm

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sure they were trying to hold Tim
Zoo two for a big payday, and

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they strung enough. Let me finish, they strung all of this along that

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he was rehabilitating and gonna fight Tim
Zoo, and they've screwed Tim Zoo out

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of a big payday and out of
a big opportunity. So what the WBO

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this is me saying this should do? On Monday as we released the podcast,

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is Tripp Jamel Charlo and say,
you were supposed to be fighting this

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guy. You now have no intention
of fighting this guy. He's our new

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super champion. Maybe you guys will
fight an undisputed fight later on at some

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point, maybe they won't. I
don't know, But for right now,

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Zoo's getting screwed out of all of
this. Just so you know, there

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is no more super champion bullshit in
the WBA because they've eliminated that position.

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In the case of what happened with
Tim Zoo, he was rehabilitating, he

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is rebilitating. The plan was for
that fight to happen. And also,

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let me just say this, I
believe that the contract that they had for

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the fight in January, at some
point it's expired. You can't have a

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guy have two consecutive interim fights while
the other guys set on the shelf and

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Stokes hold him to the other agreement. So I think they would have had

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her come back and redo some element
of the paperwork, even if maybe maybe

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they would have instinct. But I
think you're the one, by the way,

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You're the one that suggested on a
past podcast that no way would that

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be enforced because he would want more
money after winning two said that, I

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said, agree in those fights,
yeah, we agreed on that. We

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agreed on that. But my thing
is, I see this similar going on

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in other situations with them too,
where the PBC fighters aren't fighting anybody,

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and it floats along, and it
floats along. And I am even more

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dubious now that this was injury with
Jamel Charlo as much as hang on,

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wait you may be fighting Canelo,
hang on, hang on. I know

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you talk to them and they told
you it's still the hand, it's still

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whatever. But I think it's the
same reason why Deonte Wilder hasn't fought anybody.

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That's a story, that's money.
It's under the same umbrella, is

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all I'm saying while we go back
and forth, because no, you're not,

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You're just not right about that.
Wilder is flexing his independence and his

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other manager, Shelley Finkl, is
working on a deal for a major fight

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in Saudi Arabia. It's not like
they're screwing anybody or stringing him along that

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one or blowing off another fight,
but it's also float along and wait and

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don't fight anybody. And that happened. The reason why I believe that the

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injury was still a factor, and
it's not because some promoter or some television

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executive or this or that said so, because I believe that Derek James is

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an honest individual who says what he
thinks. And when I've had multiple conversations

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with Derek James and he has told
me, and this is going back,

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you know, three weeks ago maybe
something like that, that Charlot was in

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the gym and this was around the
time when Ryan Garcia had had announced that

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Derek was going to train him.
Uh, and I had spoke to Derek

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in relation to that, and he
was talking about what we were, you

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know, we got on other topics, how loaded his gym was, so

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Ryan was there working out, he
had Errol training. This is right before

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the Crawford fight was made and everybody
was excited that that fight might get done.

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And you know, they didn't know
the opponent, but he was in

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the gym anyway. Obviously had Frank
Martin getting ready. He had Anthony Joshu,

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who he had told me was supposed
to be in the gym the next

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day, and he did turn up
to do a mini camp and then start

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to prepare for whatever it might be
next for him. And I asked about

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Charlotte and he said, Charlotte is
here, but his hand is still not

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right. He's still trying to rehabilitate, and he's doing other things besides using

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the hand. I don't think that
Derek Jings would have just led about that

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because it just it was so natural
as part of our conversation as he was

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taking off things related to his different
fighters. So the hand was an issue.

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This came down to Jamaal not being
ready from a perspective of scheduling hearings

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in a custody battle or in a
divorce proceeding during the time he's going to

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be in training camp. Plus he
hadn't fought for two years. So when

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you add that all together, they
made him I believe, a mature vision

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to have him not fight and go
with the other guy that was more prepared

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mentally and physically. Now that he's
back in the gym training, that's the

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way I look at it. I
don't think it was let's string him along

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and try to fucked him a Zoo
or do this or do that. It's

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just what's the old saying, TJ
Shit happens. I think they were up

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to something for at least a month. I think he declared himself for the

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record, healthy whatever you want to
call it, back in March. Now,

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whether or not he has been training
or not, that's what Derek James

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told you. I don't doubt you
as a reporter, but you've been lied

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to a bunch in the past and
found out you've been lied to. I

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don't know. I think I think
this was as much let's wait, let's

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see, especially when it became June
here and this deal was getting done again.

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I'm just I'm just putting this out
there. I'm not on Tim Zoo's

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payroll. They've totally screwed him over
in this, and the w BOH should

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do the right thing and should strip
him, and should strip him on Monday

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and say you screwed around with all
of this. He's the interim champ.

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He's now going to be elevated as
their guy, and maybe there'll be an

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undisputed fight down a run. Alright, so we do agree with this,

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timso was getting getting kind of the
bad end of the stick. Yes,

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there was a big going to more
than likely fight a title defense in Australia

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for probably one third to money,
maybe even one quarter of the money finding

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Jamal Charlo in the United States,
and I don't know who else is really

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out there that would be that big
of a name for him to fight in

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the United States besides Jamal Charlo.
So he's fighting probably a title defense this

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fall for not as nearly as much
money. So yeah, he's getting the

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role into this, we would both
agree on Adam. We got plenty of

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time to talk Canello and Jamal Charlo
coming up in the in the coming weeks,

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so that's what's now set up.
They will presumably announce that officially this

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week. We would think we got
the holiday looming Tuesday, but we'll see

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the official announcement and Timobile arena and
all the things that you are reporting on

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in a little bit, all right, so let's move on. Just say,

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I'll say this one thing that I
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be sort of likely I guess,
is that when everybody's gathered in Vegas in

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a couple of weeks for the Spence
and Crawford fight, maybe the Saturday of

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the fight. Like this is not
an uncommon thing where you're there for one

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fight and they've got another big fight
coming up, that they might do some

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kind of press conference or something along
those lines on the morning of the Arrow

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Spence Terence Crawford fight. Okay,
stand by, we'll we'll see if that's

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when the announcement comes there. So
I don't make the announcement before that,

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but you know, there maybe to
do something. I suppose. I mean,

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I'm not saying it's definite, but
that's that's what's happened many times in

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the past. If you follow the
timeline. We will now get into the

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recap mode and let's get right into
the top rank ESPN Main Event. Jared

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Real, big Baby Anderson. I
don't mind admitting you and I both thought

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this would be a knockout. We
both thought that it would be early.

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It was not. Charles Martin did
stand up to him. I do bow

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to you, mighty one. You
said a couple of times, this may

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be a better matchup. You thought
it was a better matchup and this guy

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could test Jared Anderson's chin. He's
got a big punch, and we saw

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that in this fight. In the
fifth round of this fight. So after

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Martin had gone down briefly, Flash
knocked down at the end of the round,

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I think the third round got back
up. I thought maybe we were

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cooking for an under four and a
half on the betyard. It did not.

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It did not happen. And then
Martin landed numerous numerous big shots through

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the ten rounds. He did not
win the fight. Jared Anderson won the

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fight. He was more decisive in
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All Right, my take your take
on this, and how concerned should we

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be that real big baby got hit
as much as he did over those ten

405
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rounds. Go ahead, Dan,
I see both sides of the coin.

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I really do. On the one
hand, Wow, you didn't like what

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he saw. He got rocked.
I mean put it like this, He's

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fought two good fighters so far in
his first fifteen fights, like sort of

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second dish tier kind of guys,
but reputable guys who've been in the ring

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with other quality opponents, etc.
And that was Jerry Forrest in December and

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now Charles Martin on Saturday. So
lost in the in the hoopla of the

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great knockout he had against Jerry Forrest
back in December, which he obliterated him

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in the second round, is the
fact that in the first round he got

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nailed and rocked, but he overcame
it and he came back and he stopped

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him another round later. So in
the back of my mind when Charles Martin

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is landing all those left hands on
him in round five on Saturday, I'm

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thinking, look, you know about
what Jerry Forrest had done to him also,

418
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And then of course Charles Martin goes
in there and pounds him round in

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round five. And it was actually
the very first round in the entire professional

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career of Gerald Jared Anderson that he
has lost on the scorecards, after never

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being tested in any really really serious
manner in this first fourteen fights. So

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that is not a good thing when
you see him knocked round like that.

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And he showed a lot of vulnerability, not only in that fifth round when

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he got hit and was rocked and
his legs kind of betrayed him for a

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quick minute, but as you mentioned, he also got hit with a lot

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of left hands. Later on he
was fighting a South paw, but he

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had been training for the South pap
even when Charles Martin came in as a

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late replacement on eleven twelve days notice, and then at the very end of

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the fight, when he certainly got
the fight in hand. I mean,

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and in the end the scorecards were
completely lopsided in Jared Anderson's favor. He

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won nine one on two of the
scorecards and and eight to two on the

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other one. In the tenth round, literally in the last like five eight

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00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,559
seconds of the fight, he got
creamed with another left hand in his legs

434
00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:26,799
did the gumby I mean his legs
were fucked up. I mean, if

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you don't, people maybe not thinking
are talking about it. But because the

436
00:28:30,599 --> 00:28:33,799
fight just then ended, he's lucky
that punch doesn't land, you know,

437
00:28:33,839 --> 00:28:36,839
in the first a few seconds of
the round instead of the last few seconds,

438
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because his legs were in bad shape. He was on the ropes and

439
00:28:38,599 --> 00:28:41,599
he was I thought he was badly
staggered, and it was lucky for him

440
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:47,200
that the bell was coming up.
So that always gives you pause. But

441
00:28:47,319 --> 00:28:48,559
by the same token, and now
I'm going to go to the flip side.

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00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,839
He showed he's got heart. He
showed he can take enough to not

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actually get knocked onto the canvas.
I mean, he was maybe rattled and

444
00:28:56,319 --> 00:29:02,200
hurt, but he had enough resolved
and resilience to keep himself together and to

445
00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:06,400
recover. And that's important too,
even if you don't take the greatest shot

446
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,319
to be able to have the fortitude
in your heart and in your mind to

447
00:29:10,359 --> 00:29:12,119
be able to somehow get through that. A lot of guys crumble under that

448
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,799
kind of pressure. I mean,
I'll go back to the one of the

449
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,920
last great American heavyweight hopes. You
know, twenty years ago when I first

450
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:23,599
started the big American hype that was
supposed to be the next big thing was

451
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:29,319
Michael Grant, phenomenal athlete now different
than Jared Anderson. Jared was a top

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amateur for years. Michael had come
with very little amateur background. Was really

453
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,839
had been a you know, a
good athlete in other sports that he pursued,

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but became you know, came to
boxing and when the when, the

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when the you know, when the
going got tough, you know, he

456
00:29:44,079 --> 00:29:48,119
didn't keep going. Uh and you
know, he was lucky that he didn't

457
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,279
lose to Andrew Galata, who quit
on him even though he was beating up

458
00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:55,440
onto Michael Grant and then he like
walked into the the propeller of the plane,

459
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,839
if you will, against Lennox Lewis
and got smoked in the second round

460
00:29:57,839 --> 00:30:03,079
of their heavyweight title fight, which
was my first official assignment as the boxing

461
00:30:03,119 --> 00:30:07,559
writer for USA Today April of two
thousand. In any event, he could

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00:30:07,559 --> 00:30:10,440
not deal with that. Jared Anderson
showed me something in terms of what he's

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got inside of him that if he's
in a firefight, you know he's got

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the heart and the balls to get
through it, but you also would not

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like to see him get hit by
that level because if you think about what

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guys like Charles Martin and Jerry Forests
were able to do, what's it going

467
00:30:22,759 --> 00:30:26,039
to be like if he's in with
the truly top heavyweights, if he's in

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00:30:26,079 --> 00:30:30,079
there with a Tyson Fury, if
he's in there with a Alexander Ruska Deontay

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Wilder. You know, that's the
that is the point that matters going forward,

470
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because if he steps up to championship
level and he has sparred in the

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00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,519
past, for what it's worth with
Tyson Fury and presumably tasted some of that

472
00:30:41,559 --> 00:30:45,319
power, but it's sparring, you
got a head gear on as far as

473
00:30:45,319 --> 00:30:51,039
we know, etc. But that
that to me says he needs more seasoning.

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00:30:51,079 --> 00:30:52,759
You're right, he got a lot
of good rounds in got tested.

475
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,880
But I mean, I mean,
if Charles Martin is hitting him and he's

476
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,799
buckling, what's Tyson Fury, who's
huge good to do? What would what

477
00:31:00,839 --> 00:31:04,759
would Wilder? Even even though Wilder's
damage from the Fury fights, what would

478
00:31:04,759 --> 00:31:08,039
Wilder do with that Adam bomb right
hand if he thinks Charles Martin handing hard.

479
00:31:08,119 --> 00:31:11,559
So, I mean, there's a
couple of things about that. Number

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00:31:11,599 --> 00:31:15,880
One, he's he's not ready for
those guys. Even if he blows away

481
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:21,319
Charles Martin, everybody understands it's a
it's a work of progression. He's got

482
00:31:21,359 --> 00:31:25,279
only fifteen professional fights. Now,
that's the first time he ever went past

483
00:31:25,319 --> 00:31:30,119
six rounds and was never tested even
in a remote fashion other than about ten

484
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,000
seconds in the first round of the
Forest fight, which you know he shok

485
00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:37,440
off pretty well. So there's still
room to grow, you know, top

486
00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:41,960
rank. You know. They reported
after the show on their post fight show

487
00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:45,599
that Bob Aaron had said that he
will be back on another ESPM card in

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00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,960
Tulsa, Oklahoma in August to twenty
six. He their their their object has

489
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,359
to have him fight against the original
opponent that he was supposed to fight before

490
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,359
they called on Charles Martin. Remember
he was supposed to fight the fighter from

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Kazakhstan who's who had a problem get
his visa done. Now they believe that

492
00:32:01,119 --> 00:32:04,559
with the extra couple of months they'll
be able to get the visa, so

493
00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:07,160
he'll be ready and be able to
be in the United States to fight him

494
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,400
in August, so that'll be his
next assignment. Another Saltba. Again,

495
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,200
it's a work, a work of
progression. So I always think I saw

496
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,880
people like they were like jumping off
the buildings and burning their hair like that.

497
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,839
It's the end of the world because
Jared Anderson got rocked in a fight,

498
00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:24,200
and I mean, I can only
imagine what would have been if Twitter

499
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:30,079
existed. And I'm thinking of like
when Lennox Lewis got knocked out in the

500
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first fight he had against Oliver McCall. For when Vladimir Klitchko, who was

501
00:32:35,079 --> 00:32:39,640
a rising star Olympic gold medals,
when he got knocked out a stoppage mainly

502
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:45,160
due to exhaustion, but a stoppage
is nonetheless against the journeyman Ross Purity before

503
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:49,720
he went on to win his first
heavyweight title. You know, boxing is

504
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,519
like many things in life. It's
what have you done for me lately?

505
00:32:52,519 --> 00:32:54,839
And maybe Jared didn't look the best
on Saturday. But I'm not writing a

506
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:59,920
guy off because he had a rough
go. I'm realistic. It's I mean,

507
00:33:00,039 --> 00:33:02,279
I don't think I'm talking like a
lunatic here to say. It's very

508
00:33:02,319 --> 00:33:07,000
clear that he might not take the
best shot in the world, but you

509
00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:10,480
can sometimes overcome that with the resolve, perhaps tiding up your defense a little

510
00:33:10,519 --> 00:33:15,519
bit. But anybody that's writing Jared
Anderson off because of what happened in round

511
00:33:15,559 --> 00:33:17,799
five should maybe take a look at
the other rounds of the fight and see

512
00:33:17,839 --> 00:33:22,640
that he dominated, that he landed
good shots, he was busy with his

513
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,759
punches. If you look at the
comfy box, he literally almost doubled the

514
00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:29,920
number of punches that Charles Martin landed
on him. So those are all good

515
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,799
things. So I think everybody should
I always say this. I don't get

516
00:33:32,839 --> 00:33:37,000
too caught up in what's happening in
the immediate vortex of the immediacy of what

517
00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:40,079
happened last night, I looked at
the larger picture, and in the larger

518
00:33:40,079 --> 00:33:44,880
picture, I see a work in
progress where maybe he will become a heavyweight

519
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,759
champion and maybe you'll flame out terribly, but we just don't know the answer.

520
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,279
The evidence suggests that he might have
problems with the bigger punchers and the

521
00:33:53,279 --> 00:33:58,359
better fighters, but the other evidence
would suggest that the way he got through

522
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,519
the crisis is a posit it for
him. He knows he can do it,

523
00:34:00,759 --> 00:34:07,119
and he's still twenty three years old
and still has only fifteen pro fights

524
00:34:07,119 --> 00:34:09,719
and very few rounds relatively speaking.
And so let me give you a couple

525
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,280
of other recent examples that you know, but for the audience as well.

526
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:17,000
We saw Daniel Dubois, unbeaten British
heavyweight, get in there in a scrap

527
00:34:17,039 --> 00:34:22,320
with another unbeaten older heavyweight and Joe
Joyce. He got his eye orbital fractured

528
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,880
and he got stopped. Now,
Dubois has gone on to win several fights

529
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:30,360
since then, two or three fights
since then, but it's not the end

530
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,239
of your career, and in that
case, he got stopped. In the

531
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:37,480
case of Tony Yoka, the gold
medalist from the Olympics, the Paris heavyweight.

532
00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:40,360
Same thing got in there with Martin
Buccoli, a veteran who beat him

533
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,320
and you love my phrase, pillared
a post and bade him and handed him

534
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,360
his first loss. So this is
not unheard of that you get tested.

535
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,920
And in those two guys cases,
they didn't come through and didn't win the

536
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,599
fight. At least Jared Anderson for
the most part, was in control of

537
00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:58,360
the fight and won the fight.
And it's I'll give you another examp what

538
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,159
happens next. How about the great
Joe Lewis who got who got starched by

539
00:35:04,159 --> 00:35:07,559
Max Schmelling in their first fight.
Yes, and if everybody, I mean

540
00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:12,440
I wasn't around and we did not
cover that, we were not forty or

541
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,519
whatever. But I think that worked
out pretty well for Joe Lewis because not

542
00:35:15,559 --> 00:35:20,280
only did he come back and become
the heavyweight champion, he annihilated Smelling in

543
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,559
the rematch in the first round and
went on to have a record setting heavyweight

544
00:35:23,639 --> 00:35:28,800
championship career, the most heavyweight title
defenses of all time, the longest rain

545
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,199
in terms of the calendar of all
time. I mean, he's got the

546
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:35,800
most the title defenses in boxing history
of any weight class, not just a

547
00:35:36,159 --> 00:35:38,679
heavyweight. So again, I'm not
saying Jared Anderson's going to be Joe Lewis.

548
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,480
What I'm saying is, on the
night that he got knocked out by

549
00:35:42,519 --> 00:35:45,079
Smelling, it had been easy for
a lot of people to write him off.

550
00:35:45,199 --> 00:35:46,400
He came back and became one of
the great heavyweights of all time.

551
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:51,280
And I'm going to use another example, and which is more of my ear

552
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,800
at my time of being around boxing, is Vladimir Klitchko. I mentioned he

553
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:59,519
got he gotten stopped by Ross Purity. On the night that he lost in

554
00:35:59,519 --> 00:36:02,800
the first for the vacant WBO title
against Layman Brewster. Everybody wrote him off,

555
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:07,480
including his own brother, Vitali Klitschko, And as I've detailed on this

556
00:36:07,519 --> 00:36:10,679
podcast before, how we used that
as motivation and from that day forward for

557
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:15,719
the next ten years he barely lost
around and had an amazing heavyweight championship run

558
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:20,480
and became one of the all time
greats and is now safe and secure in

559
00:36:20,559 --> 00:36:23,199
terms of his legacy as a first
ballot Hall of Famer. And uh,

560
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:28,199
and that's that. So I'm not
gonna I don't think everybody should be losing

561
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,719
their mind about what happened with Jared
Anderson. It's a work in progress.

562
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,599
That's why we watch. It's the
saga, it's the soap operas, it's

563
00:36:34,639 --> 00:36:38,800
the story. And Jared Anderson's story
is closer to the beginning, it seems

564
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,679
to me, than the end.
And let's see if he's active, get

565
00:36:42,679 --> 00:36:45,519
back in there for this fall.
They have been fighting him when he's healthy

566
00:36:45,519 --> 00:36:46,599
every three or four months. Let's
see he's gonna be back in August.

567
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,920
Let's see. Let's see if they
have him back in there in August.

568
00:36:50,039 --> 00:36:52,199
Let's see if he's back. All
right, Good enough on that, some

569
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:58,599
more recap mode. Savannah Marshall does
win in Manchester, England, the four

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00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:04,360
super middleweight title the women's one hundred
and sixty eight pound belts in an undisputed

571
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:09,599
fight with Franshawn Cruise dessern sloppy fight. I watched this and it was hard

572
00:37:09,639 --> 00:37:15,519
to score rounds. I can tell
you this. My antenna went up and

573
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,559
I put this on social media and
I texted you immediately. That is the

574
00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:24,159
first time I can ever recollect a
fighter singing the national anthem before a world

575
00:37:24,199 --> 00:37:30,559
title fight. We have seen athletes
singing the anthem before a baseball game or

576
00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:34,880
before a basketball game, But you're
talking about the brutality of boxing and Franshawn

577
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:39,960
Cruise. Dessern nailed acapella the US
national anthem. Tremendous job by her,

578
00:37:40,599 --> 00:37:45,880
So I want some nostalgia from you
if you ever recollected that in a setting.

579
00:37:45,639 --> 00:37:49,480
But number two, one could argue
that was the high point of the

580
00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:52,400
night for her. She didn't do
a whole lot other than that. Rayfield.

581
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:53,960
You'll love my humor, all right, your thoughts in a recap mode.

582
00:37:54,199 --> 00:37:58,039
I mean, I've seen lots of
people seeing national anthems that fights because

583
00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:00,800
I've been ringside for so many and
watched them on how vision the same goals

584
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,559
for you know, watching all the
baseball games and football games. I've been

585
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:06,800
basketball. Like you said, I've
never seen the athlete involved in the event

586
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,039
actually seeing the anthem. So,
you know, creditor, she got a

587
00:38:08,119 --> 00:38:12,159
nice voice. What can I say
as far as the fight goes, It

588
00:38:12,159 --> 00:38:13,840
was a little sloppy, It was
a little messy. He was a little

589
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,880
ragged. It was a little a
little a little of of a not the

590
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:22,119
cleanest fight I've ever seen, but
I thought overall, actually was a pretty

591
00:38:22,119 --> 00:38:23,800
good fight. I mean, it
wasn't like they stunk it out or anything.

592
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:28,159
I'd rather watch those two women do
what they did to each other over

593
00:38:28,159 --> 00:38:30,840
the course of ten rounds than many
other fights I've seen where it's guys and

594
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,599
gals just looking at each other for
ten rounds are less or longer and not

595
00:38:34,679 --> 00:38:37,239
doing anything. So from that same
point, I had no car with the

596
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,920
matchup. Savannah Marcel congratulations whore she
was moving up and wait, she was

597
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:45,000
coming off the loss for the undisputed
middleweight title. In their unification chat with

598
00:38:45,039 --> 00:38:50,559
Claressa Shields, who was ringside actually
looking possibly to set up a fight with

599
00:38:50,599 --> 00:38:53,559
the winner a rematch, and she
was rooting hard for a franchise cruise disarner.

600
00:38:53,559 --> 00:38:57,800
They had become friendly when each other
ever since their first I think they

601
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,400
knew each other in the amateurs for
many years, but they had their first

602
00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:02,440
tremendous battle in the pro debut,
well each of them, back in what

603
00:39:02,519 --> 00:39:07,000
twenty and sixteen I believe it was. In any event, look, Savannah

604
00:39:07,039 --> 00:39:09,079
did a good job. She she
she won the fight, not because she

605
00:39:09,199 --> 00:39:13,360
dominated. She won the fight because
she was a little crisper with her shots.

606
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,599
She was a little more accurate.
It seemed like with her punches.

607
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,679
She landed them at the better times
and was able to get those punches in

608
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,159
more cleanly. And the scores were
kind of all over the place. One

609
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,239
judge had a ninety five ninety five, which I thought was kind of I

610
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:30,320
didn't think it was a draw.
I gotta go through the scores. Ninety

611
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:35,440
nine ninety two, which was way
off, and the ninety seven ninety three

612
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,400
that's the way, okay. So
I have to interject that I was in

613
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:44,039
constant communication with our buddy, the
boxing writer David Payne, off the obviously

614
00:39:44,119 --> 00:39:45,480
off the year. He and I
are going back and forth, and as

615
00:39:45,519 --> 00:39:50,559
the fight is winding down, he
said, I smell one card a route

616
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,920
for Savannah Marshall and one card to
draw. He goes and he called it.

617
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,800
He's exactly right because the first card
they read ninety five ninety five.

618
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,880
I'm like, franchise did not win
five rounds. I'm sorry. She looked

619
00:40:02,119 --> 00:40:06,480
in fairness, She tried, but
she looked exhausted, like in the third

620
00:40:06,519 --> 00:40:08,239
and fourth round of the fight.
She looked out of shape. I'm sorry,

621
00:40:08,559 --> 00:40:13,119
she looked very tired very early in
the fight. She did not win

622
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,920
five rounds. In that she probably
she probably won bread. She probably won

623
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:22,000
two of the first three and then
maybe one, maybe two the rest of

624
00:40:22,079 --> 00:40:23,760
the fight. I mean, if
you wanted to be generous, maybe you

625
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:28,719
have a six four in favor of
Savannah, meaning you give franc on four

626
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,760
rounds. But like you said,
it was this this ninety three. That's

627
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:36,800
sort of what felt like the right
kind of score. But again, you

628
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,599
know she she lost, No,
she didn't really you know, you didn't

629
00:40:38,599 --> 00:40:43,239
hear any complaints her or or you
know, I got robbed type of conversation

630
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,559
after the fight. So it was
just it was a pretty good fight between

631
00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:51,079
two of the top women in and
around those way classes. I guess you

632
00:40:51,159 --> 00:40:52,000
know, it does set up.
I can't say it, we'll be next,

633
00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:57,159
she'll have mandatories, etc. But
you got to think though that given

634
00:40:57,199 --> 00:41:00,719
the competition that was in the first
fight they had that can petitive spirit of

635
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,400
both of the women, and the
fact that it will be a big draw

636
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,119
spirit, certainly in the UK,
you know, if they put it on

637
00:41:07,679 --> 00:41:10,639
that them having a rematch would be
a big deal. Now is Claressa's point

638
00:41:10,679 --> 00:41:14,320
of view is I will fight her
again, no problem, we can do

639
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:15,880
it at one sixty. If she
wants to fight for my belts. I'll

640
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,360
be happy to go fight her at
one sixty eight for her belts work.

641
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,920
Claressa was once a unified champion before
she gave up the belts and moved down

642
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,840
and wait, but the one thing
that Claressa is saying is I fought her

643
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,440
in the UK in the first fight. I want to fight her here in

644
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,280
the United States. And she can't
even use Savannah the excuse that, well,

645
00:41:32,519 --> 00:41:36,079
you're not a draw now. Savannah
has been a decent draw in the

646
00:41:36,199 --> 00:41:39,320
UK, but Claressa flexed her draw
muscle in her class fight where she drew

647
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:44,880
a nice crowd for her fight that
took place against Cornejo a few weeks ago

648
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:50,039
in Detroit. So it seems to
me that the fair thing to do would

649
00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:52,639
be to do the rematch in the
United States, given that the first fight

650
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,920
took place, you know, in
England. So we'll see if they get

651
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,119
to that point. But I mean, I think that's a long way from

652
00:41:58,159 --> 00:42:00,960
being done. But in any way, it was. It was a good

653
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:05,280
day for women's boxing, and frankly
for not a lot of major fights.

654
00:42:05,559 --> 00:42:09,360
Even the Martin and Anderson fight was
entertaining. And there was some tension and

655
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,199
there was interest in it. Now, it was a pretty good fight.

656
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,320
The rest of the card that was
on the undercard of Anderson and Martin was

657
00:42:16,559 --> 00:42:21,400
extraordinarily forgettable. I would like to
shout out though, the young lightweight prospect

658
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:27,239
Abdullah Mason was only nineteen years old, who looked absolutely spectacular in his second

659
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,000
round knockout against a journeyman, you
know, a guy that lost a few

660
00:42:30,039 --> 00:42:32,559
fights, and Row an older fighter
thirty seven years old and Alex da olivera.

661
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,239
But Abdullah Mason is a guy that
you're going to be hearing a lot

662
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,599
about in the coming years because this
kid can really fight. He's a very

663
00:42:38,679 --> 00:42:43,360
talented, skilled fighter. I forget
who it was. Was it Bernardo oh

664
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,679
Souona on ESPN? I forget who
was Maybe it was Timothy Bradley, one

665
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,480
of the commentators, So forgive me
if I if I can't remember which one

666
00:42:49,519 --> 00:42:53,800
it was made the point that the
way that Abdullah Mason boxed reminded them of

667
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:59,039
the young pretty boy version of Floyd
Mayweather when he was a fighter in his

668
00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:01,320
first handful of fights. Mason is
now nine and oh with eight knockouts.

669
00:43:01,679 --> 00:43:06,280
I actually was at his professional debut
in Las Vegas. He fought on the

670
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:10,639
night before a Canello fight when MICHAELA. Mayer had her phenomenal fight against Hamma

671
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:15,679
Douche at the Virgin Hotels and Abdullah
Mason was one of the early undercard fights.

672
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,599
And I watched that I and actually
inquired with some of the top ring

673
00:43:19,639 --> 00:43:22,639
people about him because he was interesting
to me, and they were like,

674
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:23,159
you know, we think a lot
of this kid. He comes from a

675
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:29,039
boxing family and he's he's a great
looking prospect. I'm laughing and smiling.

676
00:43:29,079 --> 00:43:30,719
So that night. The vernacular of
the kids today. I don't know if

677
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,039
your son says this or the twins
say this, but it's all over the

678
00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:37,559
memes the internet. You did the
who diss? Who dis? You want

679
00:43:37,599 --> 00:43:40,119
to know? Whoever heard that was? Yeah? Who? Yeah? Yes,

680
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,199
I don't say it. I'm just
saying the kids today, I say

681
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,960
it so or who Dad? That's
the Saints, that's the that's the Cajun

682
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,360
vision of it. But in any
event, Mason looked good and I know

683
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,079
you want to say one more thing
in the recap mode. Besides Marshall's win

684
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:58,679
over in Britain and Sheffield, England, Dalton Smith with the KAO of Sam

685
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,320
Mitchell one hundred and forty pound.
I said, Maxwell, excuse me,

686
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:07,559
not Sam Mitchell, the basketball power
Sam Maxwell, British Commonwealth one hundred and

687
00:44:07,559 --> 00:44:09,679
forty pound title. And this was
a bit of a wild fight because Dalton

688
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:15,679
Smith was also badly cut over the
wet eye and then a booming knockout,

689
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:22,119
and then for whatever reason, Dalton
Smith came over to make sure that Maxwell

690
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:27,800
was okay. But Maxwell's corner was
like chirping and erupting at Dalton Smith's corner,

691
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,400
like we were gonna have a corner
rubble while their fighter is prone on

692
00:44:30,519 --> 00:44:34,840
the mats splatted, So it was
a wild ending. Your your thoughts real

693
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,039
quick in the recap. Yeah,
I wasn't really sure what the deal was

694
00:44:37,079 --> 00:44:38,679
between the camps, but I thought
that actually Dalton Smith showed a lot of

695
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:42,800
class in the way he handled stuff. Obviously was very excited about the knockout,

696
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,480
and then when he realized that his
guy was still down on the canvas,

697
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:47,480
you know, they he quelled the
celebration right away. He had been

698
00:44:47,519 --> 00:44:51,920
cut because of headbuts over both of
his eyes earlier in the fight. And

699
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,960
the thing the reason I'm interested in
This is because you know, Dalton Smith

700
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,119
is now fifteen to oh with eleven
knockouts. I think he's one of the

701
00:44:57,159 --> 00:45:00,480
best prospects that in boxing. I
had him on my Top Pros backlist at

702
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,760
the end of twenty twenty two.
You know, he's an exciting and a

703
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,840
talented guy and this was still a
little bit of a step up for him,

704
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,000
it seemed to me. And he
didn't just take out Sam Maxwell,

705
00:45:09,519 --> 00:45:12,880
as you said, he took him
out with one shot. It was a

706
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,360
tremendous right hand. I mean it
was like knock out of the Year type

707
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:20,480
of on that list of great knockouts
you'll see this year. Just a tremendous

708
00:45:20,519 --> 00:45:22,159
fight. This was the so people
understand where it was. This was the

709
00:45:22,199 --> 00:45:27,119
main event of the Matchum card on
the Zone. Besides the major title fight

710
00:45:27,199 --> 00:45:30,039
cards that Natchum puts on. They
do fights in the UK often that I

711
00:45:30,119 --> 00:45:34,840
guess would be sort of like their
version of like maybe a little bit of

712
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,920
a bigger deal than like say a
showbox, and that's what this was because

713
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,760
Adalton spent this an up and coming
fighter, but he looked good and it

714
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:45,119
was a big knockout. He overcame
and dealt with the cuts. And what

715
00:45:45,199 --> 00:45:49,880
I think is interesting also is that
Natchum has another fighter in one hundred forty

716
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,760
pound way class who fought last week
and one on the Edgar Berlanga undercard,

717
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,239
and that is a fighter from New
York City, Namer shot Maddy, who

718
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,880
was undefeated, who's dealt with some
injuries, but when he's healthy, he

719
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:02,840
on point. He's a tremendous boxer. So he is managed by Keith Connelly

720
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:07,119
who also manages Edgar Berlanga, and
Keith Connolly had interest in watching the Dalton

721
00:46:07,199 --> 00:46:13,119
Smith fight because he wants to have
his guy Rashat Madi fight Dalton Smith.

722
00:46:13,159 --> 00:46:15,559
And he's like, we'll fight him, no problem. Uh. And so

723
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:17,800
he said to me over this weekend
that he watched that fight. He has

724
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:22,360
message with Eddie Hearn and is interested
to make that match. And if they

725
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:23,679
can actually make that match. Now, I'm not saying it's a big world

726
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:29,559
championship fight, but his terms of
prospect against prospect, that's a meaningful two

727
00:46:29,639 --> 00:46:31,800
guys that you really can see going
places. They both have, you know,

728
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:37,280
championship potential, and they're both very
good fighters. Rushot more of a

729
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:42,280
consummate boxer, you know, Smith
has the thunder Also, Uh, that's

730
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,840
a fascinating fight. And I think
Conley is serious when he says he would

731
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,400
match his guy up with him and
we'll have to see. And apparently what

732
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,679
Keith communicated to me was Eddie was
like, yeah, we can do that

733
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,239
fight. Now, Let's see if
he he sticks to it and they make

734
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,320
that match, because that's a as
a as you want to get down into

735
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,519
the you know, to the to
the real diehard, you know, degenerate

736
00:47:00,639 --> 00:47:05,119
boxing fans. That's a really fascinating
matchup. If they can make that fight

737
00:47:05,559 --> 00:47:08,679
the loaded one hundred and forty pound
division, that is for sure. These

738
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,400
are the next guys bubbling up,
by the way. You know, we

739
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,840
can talk all you want about Tiefemo
and uh and and all the other guys

740
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,960
that are in that weight class whoever
you want to mention. But these two

741
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,079
young guys, a guy like Maddy
and a guy like Dalton Spith there that

742
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:27,000
that there, they even give the
division that's already outstanding even more depth.

743
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:34,000
Some news and then some nostalgia.
Interesting that this happened late Saturday night early

744
00:47:34,119 --> 00:47:37,960
Sunday morning, after the ESPN top
ranked boxing broadcast was off the air,

745
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:44,119
that Jared Anderson win in the main
event, that andre Ward, the Hall

746
00:47:44,159 --> 00:47:49,320
of Fame former two division world champ
who's been an ESPN analyst since twenty seventeen,

747
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,840
announced on social media his contract has
not been renewed and that was his

748
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,599
final broadcast. Didn't say anything on
the broadcast before, during, or after

749
00:47:55,639 --> 00:47:59,159
the fight, as I wrote about
it on the Big Fight Weekend dot com

750
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:05,800
website, and again, this was
part of a mass layoff and firing by

751
00:48:06,159 --> 00:48:08,159
ESPN. Some of it was layoff, some of it was contracts not being

752
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:12,960
renewed some huge names. And Dan, I know you went through this with

753
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,440
ESPN, and I'm just saying to
the audience, I've been through this too,

754
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:20,159
even at the national level on radio
and the local level on radio,

755
00:48:20,199 --> 00:48:22,800
and it ain't fun. We don't
want anybody to lose their job, but

756
00:48:22,039 --> 00:48:27,719
it's it's fascinating that ESPN got rid
of Jeff Van Gundi, the Premier lead

757
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,320
basketball analyst for their coverage, and
he had time left on his deal and

758
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:34,760
they said goodbye. They got rid
of Suzie Kolber, the host on the

759
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,079
Monday night Countdown show, with time
left on her deal, and said goodbye.

760
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:43,440
There were several other of these personalities
that it wasn't just we're not renewing

761
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:49,000
your contract. ESPN under the umbrella
of Disney had to cut cost and andre

762
00:48:49,159 --> 00:48:52,760
Ward is part of that. So
again, I know you've been through these

763
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:54,920
things. I've been through these things, but that was a bit of a

764
00:48:54,960 --> 00:49:00,199
shock to wake up Sunday and to
read that that Andrea had announced that that

765
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:01,920
he was part of that. So
what is your thought as that comes to

766
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:06,199
an end here for him as part
of the coverage. Yeah, I mean

767
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:07,239
that does hit at bit home a
little bit close to home, because I've

768
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,239
been through the exact same thing.
I mean when my contract at ESPN was

769
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:14,320
not renewed. Remember they were going
through a lot of problems. This was

770
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:19,199
like you know, early pandemic times, etc. It's not fun. I'm

771
00:49:19,199 --> 00:49:21,679
not going to bullshit you, but
I have to be honest. I wasn't

772
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,320
totally shocked that Andrea was among those
people. Not because he's not an excellent

773
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:29,960
boxing commentator, But listen, this
is the truth. I don't think that

774
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,960
the company, knowing Disney, having
worked there for fifteen years, I don't

775
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,199
think. I mean, first of
all, there's the cost cutting aspect of

776
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,920
it, when you're going through the
roster and you're seeing who's expendable or who

777
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,800
we don't want to have back,
or how long they've got left on their

778
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,599
deal, or how much money they're
making. I'm pretty sure that Andre did

779
00:49:45,639 --> 00:49:50,280
not endear himself to the executives when
he declined to get a vaccine. And

780
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,159
that's the reason why he did so
many of the boxing broadcast from his home

781
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:57,719
during the COVID situation. And then
that just keeping it real. But he

782
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,760
doesn't take away from his ability as
a boxing brock Catherine, by the way,

783
00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:04,719
to me, it didn't, so
I didn't. It did not come

784
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,360
as a total shock to me.
Number one. Number two, if you

785
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,280
can get rid of Jeff Van Gundi, who is probably the greatest play by

786
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:15,760
play guy in the history or I
mean boxing u the greatest NBA analyst in

787
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:22,079
history, who's done what seventeen consecutive
NBA finals, or I have a spot

788
00:50:22,159 --> 00:50:23,920
for as the former head coach of
the New York Knicks, my team that

789
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:30,079
I never wanted them on Emmy Awards, and has time left on his deal.

790
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:34,800
This is not right. This is
not contract up in his case.

791
00:50:35,159 --> 00:50:37,880
So if he can be let go
anybody can be let go, and you

792
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,920
mentioned another person, and a lot
of the people that were laid off are

793
00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:45,679
people that I have known through the
years from my association with ESPN. Susie

794
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:50,519
Colber has been with ESPN for twenty
seven years. She was the host when

795
00:50:51,119 --> 00:50:53,840
ESPN two started as a network.
It's like the first day. So I

796
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:59,760
have been friendly for many years with
Jalen Rose, who was a huge boxing

797
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:04,039
fan and who for many years we
shared the same representative. And so Jalen

798
00:51:04,159 --> 00:51:07,239
was another one of the people and
again one of my personal friends for over

799
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:12,840
twenty years, Max Kellerman, who
was a great boxing person also and knowing

800
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,239
at ESPN because he's done so many
other things, but I know him as

801
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:20,159
the boxing person. That's how we
struck up our relationship. I actually had

802
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,239
texted Max, uh, you know, before we started to take the podcast,

803
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,800
just to you know, show my
support and tell him, you know,

804
00:51:25,039 --> 00:51:30,400
it's all going to be good,
enjoy your summer basically. So again,

805
00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:31,960
I'm not rooting for anybody to lose
their jobs. Like I said,

806
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:37,960
I've been there and it's just unfortunate. So I guess now, in terms

807
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,480
of the boxing broadcast, they didn't
announce their plans, but you have still

808
00:51:42,679 --> 00:51:45,440
you know, Joe Testator on Blow
by Blow, Mark Regel doing the reporter

809
00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:50,000
role. You have Bernardosun who does
a reporter role but also is very capable

810
00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:52,480
and does a great job when he
fills down on Blow by Blow like he

811
00:51:52,559 --> 00:51:54,679
did the other night for Testator on
the Jared Anderson card. You certainly have

812
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:59,760
Timothy Bradley, who does a tremendous
job also, So they're in good hands

813
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,039
and terms of what they're boxing and
commentating team is. But it definitely takes

814
00:52:02,039 --> 00:52:05,800
a hit with the with the with
with andre Ward not being there because he

815
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,639
brings uh. I always found when
I listened to andre and I listened to

816
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:13,119
Bradley, they both come at it
from the perspective of great Hall of Fame

817
00:52:13,199 --> 00:52:15,280
fighters who've done a lot of things. But they fought in totally different styles

818
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:20,239
and they have vastly different personalities,
and they played of each other pretty well.

819
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:24,440
You know, andre is a more
like I like, thoughtful, serious,

820
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:30,199
reasoned kind of person when he does
his commentary and talks about different elements

821
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:35,320
of the sport, and Bradley is
more emotional, more off the cuff,

822
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,440
uh, funnier. Frankly Uh and
so. But the point is they meshed

823
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:42,239
well when they when you have them
both doing the show. So you know,

824
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,719
I think they lose a little bit
with with the absence of Ward,

825
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:46,760
but I don't have a doubt that
Uh. You know, Andre uh will

826
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:51,239
find something else in his in his
career. You know, he came to

827
00:52:52,119 --> 00:52:55,199
ESPN as a commentator after HBO ended
its run in boxing, where he had

828
00:52:55,199 --> 00:52:59,840
been a commentator along with Max for
many years. So you know, I

829
00:53:00,039 --> 00:53:01,199
hope both those guys laying on their
feet, and I'm sure they will.

830
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:06,239
We'll see what happens to. Showtime
just did a full length documentary on him.

831
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,039
Showtime obviously in the boxing business,
might they want him? And there's

832
00:53:08,039 --> 00:53:13,320
other outlets too, whether it's The
Zone and other ones that are out there

833
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,159
that may utilize Andrea Ward. We'll
see. It was just very interesting,

834
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:21,239
like you mentioned, I mean,
I've been through these in local radio.

835
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,519
They fired us all dan on a
Friday. We knew it was coming,

836
00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:27,119
but we didn't know when they fired
us on a Friday, and I had

837
00:53:27,119 --> 00:53:30,719
actually gone home and they made us
all come back to pick up a manila

838
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:35,440
envelope that we had to sign for. We didn't even have a human being

839
00:53:35,599 --> 00:53:37,519
standing there to say, here's your
stuff, thank you for working for the

840
00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:42,920
company. You had that afternoon to
come find it at the front desk,

841
00:53:43,119 --> 00:53:46,159
signed for it, or you weren't
eligible for your benefits and your severance welcome.

842
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,599
I will see through those. I've
been through those, my friends.

843
00:53:49,639 --> 00:53:57,599
As it relates to the people at
ESPN whose contracts we were expiring, and

844
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,519
I don't know which one of the
people that were go that fell into this

845
00:54:00,639 --> 00:54:07,119
category, but every contract ed ESPN
has terminology in it where if they're not

846
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,400
going to renew your contract, they
have to tell you a certain amount of

847
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:14,960
days before him. Right. So, speaking in my own situation, I

848
00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:17,920
knew the end date of my contract. It's not like my contract ended and

849
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:22,079
they called me up and say we're
not renewing you. They called me up

850
00:54:22,599 --> 00:54:25,119
within a few days of that window
opening and said we're not renewing your contract.

851
00:54:25,199 --> 00:54:30,519
So I knew, you know,
before my last day that it was

852
00:54:30,559 --> 00:54:32,000
going to be my last day.
I worked to the last day, and

853
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,920
you know that was the way that
went. So what I'm saying too,

854
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:40,000
if Andre's contract was coming up within
I don't know if you know, again,

855
00:54:40,039 --> 00:54:43,559
I'm not eating used are. But
anybody whose contract was coming up.

856
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:49,639
If your contract is coming up and
you're a month away from the expiration date

857
00:54:50,199 --> 00:54:53,639
and they don't at least engage you
in a conversation about a renewal or tell

858
00:54:53,679 --> 00:54:58,519
you they're not going to renew,
you know that it's ending. So if

859
00:54:58,559 --> 00:55:01,519
his contract was up in a few
weeks, he knew before the show,

860
00:55:01,559 --> 00:55:06,119
which is I'm just making the point
that for some of the people who were

861
00:55:06,639 --> 00:55:08,960
not brought back or where let go, it wasn't a total shock on the

862
00:55:09,039 --> 00:55:12,960
day that they announced these layoffs.
That's correct what I'm saying. And again,

863
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,360
the key date was July first,
because they're trying in a new fiscal

864
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,800
year to get all that off the
books, and it's just it's amazing.

865
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:21,639
I mean, there's another one just
to bring this up, and then I

866
00:55:21,679 --> 00:55:24,480
promise we're moving on to boxing news. There's a female SportsCenter anchor out in

867
00:55:24,599 --> 00:55:30,639
Los Angeles on ESPN named Ashley Brewer. Ashley Brewer had been in local TV

868
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:34,679
on KBC in Los Angeles. She
got hired by ESPN. She's been doing

869
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,760
ESPN Sports Center Dan rayphel She has
time left on her deal. She's caught

870
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:43,599
up in this she's getting married next
weekend. Let me say again, ESPN

871
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:49,599
knew she's getting married next weekend and
it doesn't matter. So here's something that

872
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,599
somebody told me this once a long
time ago in the business, and it's

873
00:55:52,639 --> 00:55:58,639
one hundred percent true. Nobody,
and I mean nobody, not the president

874
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:02,239
of ESPN, Jim Harrow, not
Steven ad Smith, not Scott Van Pelt,

875
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:07,400
not Max Kellerman, not Dan Raphael, not Andrew Word or I should

876
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:12,679
say, everybody is fungible. Period. Kind of story means you are there

877
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:16,800
and the next day you might not
be there. If Chris Berman, who

878
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:22,079
helped launch them into the stratosphere,
can be walked out of the building,

879
00:56:22,119 --> 00:56:23,840
which he was a few years ago, that it can happen anybody on the

880
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:28,920
as That is just the cold hard
reality of corporate business. I learned about

881
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,639
it, yes, others learning about
it. And you know what, those

882
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:37,880
folks who have contracts that are ongoing, they will be paid out. When

883
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,920
my contract had ended, I had
certain money coming to me after that contract

884
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:45,159
for different reasons. I got paid
every dime of my money, So you

885
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,519
know that was that. But the
point is, no matter how much you

886
00:56:47,679 --> 00:56:51,800
make, what level you are at
that company. If you're working in the

887
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,440
in the in the in the janitor's
office, or you're the number one anchor,

888
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:58,480
or you're in the executive suite,
it doesn't matter. We're talking about

889
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:00,760
this now because a lot of the
people are most of the people that were

890
00:57:00,119 --> 00:57:04,920
part of that layoff for non renewals, they were the famous people. They

891
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,920
were the ones that we see on
TV all the time. But not that

892
00:57:07,039 --> 00:57:09,480
long ago they did a similar thing
where it was the folks that you don't

893
00:57:09,519 --> 00:57:14,000
know who were the people behind the
scenes, editors at the website, people

894
00:57:14,039 --> 00:57:17,000
that are in the production exactly behind
you. Also from my days there,

895
00:57:17,159 --> 00:57:21,239
but they just didn't get the amount
of attention because they weren't the famous ones.

896
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:22,679
This is the one that was the
famous part of it, and it's

897
00:57:22,719 --> 00:57:25,559
a it's a shitty part of the
business. But you know, while they're

898
00:57:25,599 --> 00:57:29,360
there, the folks got a chance
to do something they love doing, make

899
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:30,360
a lot of money doing it,
I mean, And that's the way life

900
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:35,920
goes. I spent fifteen years at
the ESPN and I was in London covering

901
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:37,880
a Klitchko Joshua when they went through
a whole bunch of layoffs and I had

902
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:39,960
friends of mine that were laid off, that were at the website and on

903
00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:45,559
television. And I was sitting at
a restaurant with some other people in London

904
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:47,559
having dinner and I got a call
from my wife. Did you get laid

905
00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:50,239
off? I said, no,
no, no, door, I'm here

906
00:57:50,239 --> 00:57:55,440
and I didn't get laid off.
So you know it is It is a

907
00:57:55,559 --> 00:58:00,400
crazy business. And again, look, I mean if the ESPN thing doesn't

908
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:01,480
happen and you don't start on your
travails, you and I would have never

909
00:58:01,599 --> 00:58:05,719
met. Of course, if we
might have met, but we wouldn't be

910
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,760
doing what we were doing together.
Is that a good thing? Or that

911
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,159
maybe regretting that right about now?
I should say here after about a year.

912
00:58:10,239 --> 00:58:14,719
But we came together in part because
we both have been searching and found

913
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,159
each other. It's like match dot
com or he Harmony. All right,

914
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:22,519
some news please and then a quick
nostalgia and we're done. Anthony Joshua looks

915
00:58:22,559 --> 00:58:25,440
like we have an opponent. Well, no, we don't have an opponents.

916
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:30,480
Do we have an opponent? Do
we do we have initials? Do

917
00:58:30,599 --> 00:58:32,760
we get to play twenty questions on
who this is? What do we think?

918
00:58:34,239 --> 00:58:36,360
No, here's the bottom mind.
You know, if you if you

919
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:40,599
listen to Eddie Hearn, he is
supposedly Anthony Joshua is supposed to have his

920
00:58:40,639 --> 00:58:44,960
next fight August twelfth. Remember after
he defeated Jermaine Franklin, it was I'm

921
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:46,199
coming back in August and I'm coming
back at the end of the year.

922
00:58:46,719 --> 00:58:50,079
And then it was like no.
A couple of days later, he made

923
00:58:50,079 --> 00:58:52,199
a post on his social medias that
I'm not fighting in August. I'll be

924
00:58:52,239 --> 00:58:54,800
back in December. You know,
that's a whole separate conversation. But what's

925
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,840
going on from the end of the
year with the whole Saudi Arabia business.

926
00:58:58,159 --> 00:59:01,079
But apparently it seems like he's going
to fight in August, and so now

927
00:59:01,119 --> 00:59:04,159
the question is who's it going to
be. And so Eddie has been doing

928
00:59:04,239 --> 00:59:07,920
interviews and talking to different people and
I wrote about this in my sub stack.

929
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:10,079
Recently, they were trying to make
their rematch with Dillian White. They

930
00:59:10,119 --> 00:59:14,840
had had a very exciting fight.
This is in the match right before Anthony

931
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:19,280
Joshua knocked out Charles Martin to win
the IBF title back. You know,

932
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:22,320
however many years ago that was twenty
sixteen. I want to say in any

933
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:27,039
event with Dylan White went on to
become a top contender. Obviously, Anthon

934
00:59:27,159 --> 00:59:30,199
Joshua went on to win the title
twice and become one of the biggest names

935
00:59:30,199 --> 00:59:32,320
of boxing, and he's been looking
for an opponent and that was a rematch

936
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:35,440
they were trying to make. But
Dylan White, is what I wrote about,

937
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:37,719
was saying, you know, I
got an offer, but I was

938
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:42,280
doing it for a short money,
for the opportunity, but I did wanted

939
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,599
me to sign a rematch clause and
I don't want a rematch clause, so

940
00:59:44,639 --> 00:59:46,800
I'm not doing the fight. So
now Eddie and subsequent days has said,

941
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:50,320
well, you know what, we
took the rematch clause out and maybe they'll

942
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:52,679
end up doing the fight. So
I guess it seems like the smart money,

943
00:59:52,679 --> 00:59:54,440
I guess would be on Dyllian White
to get the rematch, but other

944
00:59:54,519 --> 00:59:57,920
things could happen, I suppose.
I mean, one of the things I

945
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,039
thought about was, remember last week
on Eddie card, when Edgar Berlanga had

946
01:00:01,119 --> 01:00:05,400
the main event, they had the
fight on the undercard between the heavyweights Adam

947
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,679
Konaki and Joe Kusamano and Drew Kosamano
has got a very good record and is

948
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:15,679
built like a truck and scored the
win by knockout against Konaki in a tremendous

949
01:00:15,679 --> 01:00:17,239
battle. I thought to myself,
maybe if they'll get Kusamano to go over

950
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:20,960
to the UK. I mean again, they're not looking to put Anthony Joshua

951
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:22,639
in some mega fight now. Obviously, if he's fighting Dylan White, they

952
01:00:22,679 --> 01:00:24,960
probably put that on pay per view
in the UK. You know, if

953
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:28,519
he was going to fight a Kusamano
level opponent, let's say, it probably

954
01:00:28,559 --> 01:00:30,599
can't be a pay per view,
I suppose, but we'll have to wait

955
01:00:30,639 --> 01:00:34,119
and see. But I mean,
I guess the news if you're going to

956
01:00:34,199 --> 01:00:37,039
fight in August, that you're gonna
have to make an opponent announcement, you

957
01:00:37,079 --> 01:00:39,000
know, in the next few days. And that's what Eddie claims is going

958
01:00:39,039 --> 01:00:42,360
to be the case, and we'll
see what happens with that. But on

959
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,920
the one hand, I'm glad that
Anthony Joshua was going to be more active.

960
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:46,280
If he indeed gets back in the
ring and fights in August, that's

961
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:50,559
good for him. And I'm interested
to see who the opponent's going to be.

962
01:00:50,599 --> 01:00:53,559
If it's Dylan White, it's interesting
to me. And speaking of heavyweights.

963
01:00:53,599 --> 01:00:58,559
There's also news that top rank announced
with a heavyweight signing the Olympic gold

964
01:00:58,639 --> 01:01:02,159
medalist. Back to your jol Off, tell me more about that, because

965
01:01:02,519 --> 01:01:06,800
now he enters the picture, the
prospect picture. Well, he's been in

966
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:08,320
the prospect picture. I mean I
had him, you know, on my

967
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:12,519
Prospect Lake alsso you know at the
end of last year among the very high

968
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,320
high up on that list. He's
he's a tremendous prospect. He's he's not

969
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:19,880
only is he six foot seven and
a tremendous puncher, he is twelve and

970
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,000
oh with twelve knockouts. He's also
a south spot and he's not a young

971
01:01:22,199 --> 01:01:25,599
prospect. He's twenty eight years old
with vast amateur experience, he says the

972
01:01:25,679 --> 01:01:30,519
twenty twenty you know, in the
delayed Tokyo Olympics in twenty twenty one,

973
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:34,480
the super heavyweight gold medal winner.
When you win the super heavyweight gold medal

974
01:01:34,519 --> 01:01:38,440
at the Olympics, by definition,
basically you're supposed to become the heavyweight champion.

975
01:01:38,639 --> 01:01:44,320
Anthony Joshua did it, Lennox Lewis
did it, Vladimir Klitschko did it.

976
01:01:45,039 --> 01:01:49,440
There's plenty of fighters that have gone
from that level of amateur stardom in

977
01:01:49,519 --> 01:01:52,679
the heavyweights to become the top fighters, you know, in the division as

978
01:01:52,719 --> 01:01:58,039
professionals, and so you know he
is supposed to be that guy. Now.

979
01:01:58,119 --> 01:02:00,840
In the gold medal match in the
Olympic Games, he defeated Richard Torres

980
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:04,679
Junior, who was the silver medal
winner, who was now with top rank

981
01:02:04,719 --> 01:02:07,840
in an undefeated prospect, you know
that was they had fought once before.

982
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:15,119
Jaalolov had knocked out a very young
Torres like out Cole. Now Torres quitted

983
01:02:15,199 --> 01:02:19,840
himself much much better in the gold
medal final. He actually was very competitive

984
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,480
but still lost the fight. But
Jaalov also was a guy that when he

985
01:02:22,599 --> 01:02:25,519
came to the Olympic Games and won
the gold medal, he already had had

986
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:30,440
a handful of professional fights. You
remember of the twenty twenty Olympics, you

987
01:02:30,519 --> 01:02:34,199
were allowed to have had professional fights
and be a pro and still fight for

988
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:37,559
the Olympic uh, you know,
medal. So he did that and now

989
01:02:37,079 --> 01:02:39,679
his last fight we saw he hasn't
been in the ring in terms of a

990
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:44,960
professional fight since November. He had
to win over at Curtis Harper that was

991
01:02:45,039 --> 01:02:47,000
on the undercard of the pay per
viuit that was headlined by that tremendous fight

992
01:02:47,039 --> 01:02:52,400
between Regis Program and Jose Zapeta.
I asked, you know, some of

993
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:53,519
his people like, why hasn't he
been in the ring since November? For

994
01:02:53,599 --> 01:02:55,679
a prospect, you know, it's
unusual to be off for that long.

995
01:02:57,079 --> 01:03:00,679
But because he is from Uzbekistan,
where they've had a growing mature program,

996
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:06,400
he competed in in amateur fights since
then, or tournaments anyway where the government

997
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:08,519
pays him a tremendous amount of money, so they may not be reflected on

998
01:03:08,599 --> 01:03:12,760
his official professional record, but it's
not like he hasn't been in the ring,

999
01:03:13,079 --> 01:03:16,199
you know, making pay days to
you know, to represent his country.

1000
01:03:16,599 --> 01:03:20,840
But now that he's with Top Ranks, supposedly he's going to be back

1001
01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:24,239
in action and he'll be supposed again
from what Top Ranks said when they made

1002
01:03:24,239 --> 01:03:29,400
the announcement on the broadcast with Jared
Anderson, he's also supposed to fight on

1003
01:03:29,519 --> 01:03:31,559
the un on the card on August
twenty six, which will be the same

1004
01:03:31,679 --> 01:03:37,400
card with Jared Anderson. Hello,
he got the two undefeated top prospects in

1005
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:40,840
the entire sport probably who are going
to be on the same card professionally now,

1006
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,960
just so you know, he has
been in the ring, maybe not

1007
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:46,400
professionally since November, as I mentioned, but he's had a whole slew of

1008
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:50,199
the amateur fight since then, because, as I said, he competed for

1009
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:54,239
his country in the World Championships that
took place this past spring. So now

1010
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:59,760
he's getting ready to resume his professional
career and that will take place in August,

1011
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:01,920
will his first fight with top rank. And like I said, TJ,

1012
01:04:02,119 --> 01:04:05,519
this guy is got a Howardzer of
a punch, a tremendous puncher,

1013
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:12,360
big, big, big guy,
tremendous size, good agility, I mean,

1014
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:15,199
too many. He may be the
better prospect frankly than Jared Anderson in

1015
01:04:15,199 --> 01:04:17,440
the heavyweight division. And maybe we
see those two fight down the road.

1016
01:04:17,519 --> 01:04:20,039
Maybe we see a title shot out
of one of them before they fight,

1017
01:04:20,079 --> 01:04:21,880
and then then maybe they fight in
a title fight. I don't know.

1018
01:04:24,199 --> 01:04:28,440
Okay, nostalgia, speaking of heavyweights, we got a little nostalgia here to

1019
01:04:28,519 --> 01:04:31,079
wrap things up. Okay, just
so people know, I was not ringside

1020
01:04:31,079 --> 01:04:33,320
for the fight we're about to talk
about. We're about to talk about a

1021
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:39,320
fight on July second, of not
twenty twenty one, nineteen twenty one,

1022
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:43,840
when I'm an ass, I'm all
our Jack Dempsey knocked out George's Carpontier,

1023
01:04:44,079 --> 01:04:48,920
you like my French ninety thousand in
Jersey City, New Jersey, and uh

1024
01:04:49,199 --> 01:04:55,000
mega money for those days and even
in eight dollars as well. I just

1025
01:04:55,159 --> 01:04:56,960
I, you know what, when
when we were thinking about what are we

1026
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,639
gonna do for our nostalgia, and
I was thinking about it and looking up

1027
01:04:59,679 --> 01:05:02,119
other dates and are things that may
have occurred in and around this weekend.

1028
01:05:02,519 --> 01:05:05,199
You know, it's not a weekend
where there's like I can't go back and

1029
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:09,400
find you like a Showtime fight from
July fourth weekend or an HBO fight from

1030
01:05:09,679 --> 01:05:12,880
July fourth weekend. So I figure, you know what, let's teach our

1031
01:05:13,079 --> 01:05:15,920
younger or any our listeners a little
about it, the boxing things that went

1032
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:19,679
on before the modern era. Let's
say, go back a long time ago

1033
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:24,880
to a what was at the time
a huge I mean I've read a lot.

1034
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,159
I mean, because I consider myself
a bit of a historian, I've

1035
01:05:27,519 --> 01:05:30,559
read a lot of things about old
time boxing. I do too, and

1036
01:05:30,639 --> 01:05:33,320
I go back even to this era. Yes, ye didn't. What I

1037
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:36,119
do. What I do is I
actually will go back in like the New

1038
01:05:36,199 --> 01:05:41,760
York Times, and you can go
and read the actual articles from when they

1039
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:45,519
occurred. So you can go back
and read the reporting from nineteen twenty one

1040
01:05:45,559 --> 01:05:47,320
on this fight. And I have
done things like that for that fight and

1041
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,519
other fights over the years, and
besides just what the historians say, and

1042
01:05:50,599 --> 01:05:55,280
watch the things that you can find
on YouTube or documentaries or whatever. So

1043
01:05:55,400 --> 01:06:00,920
anyway, today, in twenty twenty
three, to mention act Dempsey, George's

1044
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:04,320
Carpentier made a register with most boxing
fans. And that's understandable because it was

1045
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:08,679
one hundred and two years ago.
They weren't alive. It wasn't like some

1046
01:06:09,039 --> 01:06:12,880
you know whatever, not a big
deal to them. But I'll put it

1047
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:15,199
in perspective. It was called the
fight of the century, which you know,

1048
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:18,400
promoters like the hype things up,
but rarely do they do that unless

1049
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:21,480
it's an authentic, big time fight
that they don't have the balls to be

1050
01:06:21,559 --> 01:06:28,039
that outlandish. But Dempsey and Carpenti
really was a huge fight. Dempsey was

1051
01:06:28,159 --> 01:06:30,800
the heavyweight champion at the time,
had one hundred and eighty eight pounds.

1052
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:38,199
This is before the cruiserweight division existed. Carpentier was the light heavyweight world champion,

1053
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:42,639
a hugely popular star from France,
popular throughout Europe, who had fought

1054
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:45,079
all the way from flyweight up to
heavyweight. You know, just one of

1055
01:06:45,119 --> 01:06:49,159
these fascinating I mean a multitude of
weight classes that he had competed in.

1056
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,840
Obviously, at that time, there
was only eight weight divisions in the sport.

1057
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:57,320
And they built a temporary stadium in
Jersey City, New Jersey. They

1058
01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:00,199
put ninety thousand people there to have
this big megafight. Uh and it well

1059
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:03,159
mean people also, and I've mentioned
this in the past before, the biggest

1060
01:07:03,239 --> 01:07:08,400
athletes in terms of popularity and stardom
in the United States at this time in

1061
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:13,280
the nineteen twenties was Babe Ruth and
Jack Dempsey. I mean, that was

1062
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:15,079
it. That was like you know, being you know, uh who were

1063
01:07:15,119 --> 01:07:19,280
the like that's like being uh Tom
Brady and Uh, you know who's the

1064
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:25,920
biggest star in uh in basketball,
Tom Brady James. Right, So Dempsey

1065
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:30,519
and and UH and Babe Ruth were
like the equivalent of that era as Brady

1066
01:07:30,599 --> 01:07:34,800
and UH and Lebron Anyway, So
this was a huge fight. It was

1067
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:39,519
the first ever million dollars plus a
gate in the history of boxing. It

1068
01:07:39,719 --> 01:07:42,639
was almost two million, it's like
one point almost one point eight million.

1069
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:45,280
I actually went when we were getting
ready to do this, I went into

1070
01:07:45,079 --> 01:07:50,719
Google and I found like an inflation
adjuster, and that one point eight million

1071
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:57,360
roughly in nineteen twenty one is now
about thirty million dollars adjusted for inflation.

1072
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:01,000
So if you look at thirty million
dollars gates and boxing history, at least

1073
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:08,000
of the modern ones anyway, there's
like two Mayweather versus pack Yow, which

1074
01:08:08,079 --> 01:08:14,119
was seventy five million, which is
a huge anomaly, and Mayweather against Connor

1075
01:08:14,199 --> 01:08:17,039
McGregor. You know, even other
fights that you might think approach that.

1076
01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:21,600
Take for example, Ganadi Glovkin against
Canelo Alvarez. One the gate at the

1077
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:27,199
Team Mobile Arena from a fight that
was in what two thousand and seventeen or

1078
01:08:27,239 --> 01:08:32,199
twenty eighteen, twenty seventeen was twenty
seven million dollars. The rematch a year

1079
01:08:32,359 --> 01:08:38,399
later twenty four million dollars in change, So that shows you how big of

1080
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:41,119
a deal this was, so first
ever million dollars gate, but adjusted for

1081
01:08:41,159 --> 01:08:45,119
inflation, the thirty million dollar fight. Also of consequence, we now watch

1082
01:08:45,239 --> 01:08:50,279
our boxing on television or streaming.
Back then, if you listened or watched

1083
01:08:50,359 --> 01:08:54,359
big fights. It was on the
radio. So this was the very first

1084
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:58,479
boxing match. I should go back
even from heavyweight title or big time fight.

1085
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:00,920
Right. Well, what happened in
the old days is the fight would

1086
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:04,119
take place and then within a few
weeks you if you wanted to watch it,

1087
01:09:04,119 --> 01:09:06,760
you'd have to go to the movie
theater and watch the movie. And

1088
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:09,680
a lot of the boxers the way
they made their money. You know,

1089
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:12,920
today a fighter goes on pay per
view and they make their purse and then

1090
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:14,920
they get what they call the upside
of what the pay per view is.

1091
01:09:15,279 --> 01:09:17,039
But back then, the fighter would
get their purse and then it would know

1092
01:09:17,239 --> 01:09:20,960
a few months later they would get
what they called the film rights. They

1093
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:25,079
would make money off when whatever the
box office. Because this is hard for

1094
01:09:25,159 --> 01:09:28,840
the gin's ears and for the under
thirty year olds to comprehend. There was

1095
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:34,560
no television back in the nineteen nineteen
nineteen twenty nineteen twenty one calendar years.

1096
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:39,640
You had the radio, you had
newspapers, or you had the movie theater,

1097
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:44,159
like you're talking about. Even a
lot of the movies didn't have sound,

1098
01:09:44,359 --> 01:09:47,399
by the way, in that time
frame, where you would watch and

1099
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:50,359
you would have a commentator over the
top of it going. Now take a

1100
01:09:50,399 --> 01:09:54,760
look at Jack Kempsey as they lands
a big right hand here about he's doing

1101
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:56,520
it after the fact, and you
can, by the way, you can

1102
01:09:56,560 --> 01:10:00,880
find some of those videos on YouTube. And you know, and as people

1103
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:02,680
know who follow me at all know
I'm a big collector. One of the

1104
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:06,239
things that school, besides having posters
of these old time fights that are quite

1105
01:10:06,319 --> 01:10:11,239
valuable, is getting the movie poster
because a couple of months later or on

1106
01:10:11,279 --> 01:10:14,439
weeks later they would go into the
movie theaters and those posters are pretty cool

1107
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:17,319
also. So but the point here
on Jack Dempsey defending the heavyweight title against

1108
01:10:17,359 --> 01:10:19,920
Carpetti, who, by the way, he knocked out in the fourth round.

1109
01:10:21,039 --> 01:10:25,520
It was the very first boxing match
ever broadcast on the radio, So

1110
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:29,640
the first fight on radio, the
first million dollar gate, ninety thousand in

1111
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:32,399
attendants, which is a massive crowd. Obviously, the light heavyweight champion,

1112
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:36,239
big star from Europe coming to America
to fight the heavyweight champion. It was,

1113
01:10:36,279 --> 01:10:40,279
as they say, a big fucking
deal. And it was one hundred

1114
01:10:40,279 --> 01:10:44,239
and two years ago on July second, no doubt, and again Jack Dempsey

1115
01:10:44,359 --> 01:10:47,840
had won the title on July fourth, Tuesday, two years earlier against Jess

1116
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:54,119
Willard in Toledo, Ohio where they
just fought the Jared Anderson Charles Martin.

1117
01:10:54,119 --> 01:10:58,199
And by the way, on that
broadcast, they made a big deal about

1118
01:10:58,239 --> 01:11:01,479
how the bell that they use for
that fight that Dempsey won the title and

1119
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:08,319
against Willard was the same bell that
they used for the Jared Anderson mark I

1120
01:11:08,319 --> 01:11:12,359
didn't say that part. That's amazing
one hundred years later that the bell still

1121
01:11:12,399 --> 01:11:15,399
works and it's still not rusted out
and can be used. But yeah,

1122
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:18,159
it looked like you know, it
looked, it looked ats age. Let's

1123
01:11:18,159 --> 01:11:20,920
put it like that, but it's
don't work. It's great nostalgia though in

1124
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:25,279
and around the Manassa Maller, I
need the people to understand that there's more

1125
01:11:25,359 --> 01:11:29,800
to boxing than what's on the Zone
and ESPN and exactly let's give them a

1126
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:32,640
little more because July fourth does have
a little bit of nostalgia for the for

1127
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:38,680
the holiday you mentioned Joe Lewis earlier
on the show. Joe Lewis's debut came

1128
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:43,520
in Chicago on July fourth, nineteen
thirty four. He knacked he knocked out

1129
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:46,640
somebody that Dan did not cover.
Jack Kracken won a name. He knocked

1130
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:50,560
out Jack Kracken in the first round
July fourth, nineteen thirty four. And

1131
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:55,640
I turned you onto this. You're
trying to swat me, but h July

1132
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:59,319
fourth, nineteen eighty two, now
forty one years ago, the late Aaron

1133
01:11:59,399 --> 01:12:01,239
Prior, the Hawk. We were
talking about Aaron Pryor last week on the

1134
01:12:01,279 --> 01:12:09,560
podcast. He fought a Japanese fighter
a Kio Kameda on NBC Network TV Saturday

1135
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:14,479
afternoon, July fourth, Cincinnati,
Ohio, with Marv Albert and the fight

1136
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:17,960
doctor Ferdie Pacheco. They were live
and Prior went down in the first round

1137
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:23,720
on a flash knockdown, got up
and knocked out comedo the Japanese fighter on

1138
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,720
July fourth, nineteen eighty two.
But it's very rare that you get any

1139
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:29,920
kind of a fight card July third, July fourth, in and around the

1140
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:33,199
holiday. You know, by the
way, I wasn't swatting you down about

1141
01:12:33,239 --> 01:12:36,399
the fight because I'm very familiar with
the fight. Because again, besides my

1142
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:42,359
ridiculous obsession with my posters and programs, I have borderline sickness, as we

1143
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:46,359
like to say. But I have
a boxing video archive that is at this

1144
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:53,680
point bordering on ridiculous. And I
have thousands and thousands of DVDs and vhs,

1145
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:58,720
and I do have a beautiful copy
of the original NBC broadcast of Prior

1146
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:01,600
versus Commada in my collection, so
I'm very familiar with that July fourth,

1147
01:13:02,359 --> 01:13:05,560
nineteen eighty two and Cincinnati. By
the way, what I should mentioned,

1148
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:09,079
by the way, the reason that
Cameda fight was sort of a big deal

1149
01:13:09,119 --> 01:13:13,000
at the time was because that was
the fight he had Prior. No pun

1150
01:13:13,079 --> 01:13:16,000
intended to the first match. That's
the all time great fight with Arguao.

1151
01:13:16,279 --> 01:13:20,039
So wow, when he got knocked
down against Kamada and now was going in

1152
01:13:20,119 --> 01:13:23,840
to fight Argueo a few I mean, this is back when guys fought all

1153
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:27,439
the time. You know, Prior
had fought in March of eighty two,

1154
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:30,319
he had the Camado fight in July
of eighty two, and then in November

1155
01:13:30,359 --> 01:13:32,399
of eighty two is when he had
the first all time great fight with Arguao.

1156
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:35,760
But seeing the way he got dropped
in that fight, even though he

1157
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:40,079
was the bigger fighter, ar Aguyo
was coming up from the smaller weight class

1158
01:13:40,159 --> 01:13:45,159
looking to become a champion in another
weight class and become the first ever champion

1159
01:13:45,239 --> 01:13:46,880
in four weight weight divisions that had
never happened. He had won titles,

1160
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:51,199
Arguao had done it, and the
featherweight division, the junior lightweight division,

1161
01:13:51,199 --> 01:13:55,479
and the lightweight division. Obviously he
failed in his attempt to do so in

1162
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:58,520
the you know, in the in
the junior weeth weight division. But a

1163
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:00,760
lot of people thought he had a
great chance to win because number one,

1164
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:02,319
he was a great fighter, and
number two, people were maybe kind of

1165
01:14:02,319 --> 01:14:06,760
a little bit down on our prior
because of the way he performed in that

1166
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:11,479
fight against committed that you just mentioned. And just also as sad as it

1167
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:15,000
is, you know, our GUYO. We're not we're talking about anniversaries of

1168
01:14:15,079 --> 01:14:19,159
fights, but the unfortunately the anniversary
of his death in two thousand and nine

1169
01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:24,039
took place on July first, So
that was a very sad day. I

1170
01:14:24,079 --> 01:14:28,119
had met Ourguio several times, just
a beautiful human being and took his own

1171
01:14:28,159 --> 01:14:30,439
life horribly, took it, had
ran out and run into financial problems,

1172
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:34,039
personal problems for one of the great
champions. Yes, so you know he

1173
01:14:34,159 --> 01:14:36,880
had a lot of a lot of
things that went on within outside the ring.

1174
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:40,119
I mean, you can certainly do
any reading on that, but is

1175
01:14:40,159 --> 01:14:44,760
involvement with the you know, uh
fighting against the Sandinista government in you know,

1176
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:49,640
when his country was very big political
nests over there um. But putting

1177
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:53,680
politics aside, it's just numbers it
as a boxer, like literally one of

1178
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:58,239
the greatest fighters of all time and
exciting and you know, even when we

1179
01:14:58,359 --> 01:15:00,920
lost the fight with prior, both
that fight and the remat's just one of

1180
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:04,399
the greatest fighters ever. Exciting as
heck, and just a very very decent

1181
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:09,479
human being. And I'm I'm grateful
that one of the things I could do

1182
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:13,720
in the course of my career as
a boxing porter was have a chance to

1183
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:16,119
sit and hang out one on one
and meet and talk to the great Alexas

1184
01:15:16,119 --> 01:15:18,560
are Away. It's one of the
most and I mean I had a chance

1185
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:21,600
to meet him on more than one
occasion, but there was one time in

1186
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:25,239
particular where I did spend you know
a good amount of time with him,

1187
01:15:25,239 --> 01:15:29,520
and you know, just an unforgettable
experience for me. I absolutely I was

1188
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:31,600
in Los Angeles, I was covering
the Oscar dal Ljoya Stevie Forbes fight,

1189
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:35,359
had a chance to meet him in
and around that fight and spend some time

1190
01:15:35,359 --> 01:15:39,560
with him and just a very memorable, great guy, great a right,

1191
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:44,399
tremendous nostalgia across the board, fight
recaps, fight news. You get all

1192
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:46,319
of it here as part of the
Fight Preach Unite recap, and on the

1193
01:15:46,319 --> 01:15:49,479
Big Fight Weekend podcast. Foret again, Follow and subscribe. Hey, be

1194
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:53,119
safe on fourth of July, not
only for Dan, but everybody out there

1195
01:15:53,119 --> 01:15:57,199
that's listening to us the amateur fireworks. Be careful with those we see injuries

1196
01:15:57,279 --> 01:16:00,319
all the time, dangerous stuff all
the time. Be careful with all that

1197
01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:03,520
madness. And we're ready to crank
back up later this week more in the

1198
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:06,760
preview mode, Virgil Ortiz returns.
By the way, you can hear from

1199
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:11,800
Virgil Ortiz if you go back on
this podcast feed one on one with Dan

1200
01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:15,880
in long form on that so we
look forward to seeing him back in action

1201
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:18,399
and much more. My friend,
have a great holiday week. We'll look

1202
01:16:18,399 --> 01:16:20,680
forward to talking to you later in
the week. On the Big Fight Weekend

1203
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:24,319
preview, Dan Ray Peel, All
right, that sounds good. Everybody,

1204
01:16:24,359 --> 01:16:27,640
have a good weekend. There you
go, and I am merely T.

1205
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:30,319
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to the Big Fight Weekend podcast feed. That's where you find fight freaks.

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You unite off the weekend. Happy
July fourth, everybody