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You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio
Network and now it's time for the Paranormal

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Peep Show. Hi, welcome to
the Paranormal Peep Show with myself Neil Ward.

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But where's Andy tonight? Well?
Andy is out busy because it's the

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month of Halloween. It's that's October
season where he's out chasing ghosts and goodies

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because he's got his tuned in events
which he hosts around the Hertfordshire area.

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So he's very very busy doing those
psychic nights and catching lots of ghosts and

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goodies and probably doing too much on
the pumpkin suit. So standing in for

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him this evening is our good friend
Ben Emlyn Jones. How are you Ben?

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Hey, Neil are very well.
Thanks. It's great to be on

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the show's co hosts. So I've
been the guest so many times. It

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makes a nice saying i'mdad that I
can step in and into Andy's shoes and

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help you out here. That's really
great, Thank you, thank you,

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very cool of you. So the
last time I saw you, Ben was

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back in July in Portland here in
Dorset. That's right. Yes, we

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had a really really good time,
didn't we I did a talk for the

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Dorset Earth Mysteries group and we did
a little tour of the area and we

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really saw some things, didn't we
And yeah, flag that was quite something

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we did. Yeah, the Apollo
wet Flag experiment, which we'll probably be

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known to view as the Apollo Detectives, but we haven't actually put that out

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there yet, but I'm sure it
will be since. But we also saw

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Portland Castle which was of interest built
by Henry Gate. So yeah, you

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had a great time and I understand
that you possibly might be coming back to

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Dorsit next year. It's not confirmed
yet by and thanks to you who've helped

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me out with this. I'm now
in touch with the group again and I've

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liked your arrange a meeting probably in
a few months time, and I've sort

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of sort it out about when it's
a good time to slip me into the

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schedule. And there's such a nice
group and the area is such a beautiful

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place and if the well there's anything
like it was when I was there last

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Oh, I can't wait. Good
but we're looking forward to it, looking

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forward to it. Well, I'm
going to be doing a talk on probably

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the sasquatch encounters and things like that. There's one man that does know a

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lot about sasquatch, but all sorts
of other things as well in that line

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of strange and bizarre. And that's
our guest for this evening is I'd like

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to welcome aboard the Paranormal Peep Show
Preston Dennett once more. Hello, Preston,

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are you there? Yeah? Thanks
for having me on. Hey,

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Preston, thank you for joining us. So, Preston, how are you?

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First of all, I'm doing it
well, keeping busy, so always

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having fun. That's your your kind
of your yours, your sign that you

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when you end your videos, keep
having fund. So it's good to see

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that you're living by that. So
you've just brought out a new book,

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Humanoids and High Strangers. Is that
correct? I sure did it? Yeah,

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book number thirty one. You believe
it? Wow? How long is

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it taken? You should write one
of your books? Well, you know,

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I'm getting better at it. The
research is what really takes a long

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time. So that would take a
couple of years easy, but I've got

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all the information lined up. It
takes I would say four five months.

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It depends this money I did put
it up pretty quick. But then you

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have to send each chapter back to
the witness so they can verify it for

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accuracy. And these sort of things
take a little bit of wow wow.

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So so in the case of your
your latest book, you contact each witness

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individually, or you don't just sort
of see something in a move on entry

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and think, oh, I'll just
write that down. You actually go ahead

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and interview them over the phone or
over the internet or something. Basically,

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most of them reach out to me. I will say, whether it's from

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a referral from family or friends or
something like that, or is seeing me

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on your podcast and call me?
Or yeah, on TV or my website,

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read one of my books. There's
a number of different ways people contact

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me. And when you when you
get contacted by people, and do you

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have like her luck her I don't
know and in a knowing that what they're

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telling you is true, or do
you kind of get unchees that something doesn't

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feel right and this person's making the
app or you have a kind of like

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a way of working it out.
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process. I go through. The
vast majority of people I contact, I

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don't interview, they're just looking for
information, or people who contact me rather

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looking for information or corroboration, or
just have a question perhaps. But if

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a person has a really interesting story, I will ask them if I can

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interview them, having already had a
conversation with them. I bet I record

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it so I can sort of go
through make sure there's not any changes.

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Yeah, some people come off as
being a little bit shady or sketchy or

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dodgy, as you might say anyone. Yeah, most people I think are

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really reluctant to speak about this.
It can be very emotional. We'll often

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say things like, you know,
I don't do drugs, I've got a

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good education, I have a good
job, there's no history of mental illness

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in my family. And when they
say these sort of things, you start

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to realize, okay, they've probably
had a genuine experience. But one more

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thing. As they describe it,
there are little details that are perhaps best

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known only by UFO researchers, people
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when they start saying saying these little
tiny details, which can be anything from

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how the ets are dressed or what
they say, or what the interior of

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the UFO looks like a craft or
the tools they use or the you know,

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the events that take place. These
are little details that I think pland

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credibility to a person's account because I've
heard them before. Most of what people

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tell me I've heard before, and
certainly back years ago, that was a

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lot easier to do because this wasn't
as popular a subject as it is now.

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Yeah, I get, you know, witness referrals or what would you

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call it, when someone vouches,
someone vouches for your character, and I

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love when I get a multiple witness
case or if they have evidence of any

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kind of photographs and any traces in
plants. So there at kinds of things

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you can do verify a person net
their account. Do you find that when

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you're interviewing these people they possibly are
being investigated simultaneously, or they may have

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been investigated by other nuthon mutual ufone
network researchers around the same time as yourself,

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or you like the first person to
really get out all of them.

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That varies. I would say in
most cases, I'm really the only person

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they've talked to about this, but
certainly that's not always true. Some people

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I talked to you, I worked
with other investigators and we're not happy with

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them, and you know, we're
looking for someone who was more suitable,

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I guess. And yeah, I
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where a lady did report her case
to move on, and it was investigated

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by the field researcher as well as
myself. Her case is getting actually a

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lot of attention and might actually be
featured on a future television program. So

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that's still in the works, and
I'm not verified. Yeah, Susan Ware

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is her name. Her case is
getting a lot of attention. You know,

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she wanted her case told to the
public and chose me Ry. And

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what's kind of interesting about her a
particular case. Oh, it's an extraordinary

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case actually because it's a multiple witness
case for one, and while it did

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occur some years ago, she is
a lifelong contactee, which is usually the

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case, not always, but this
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But she had a very intense missing
time encounter in nineteen seventy eight while

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driving through the deserts in Utah late
at night and ended up having missing time

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with bow. Let's see. She
say it's eight or nine hours, which

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is pretty unusual. Normally would be
one or two perhaps, but yeah,

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very intense space. She just recently
started really looking into. But Ryan,

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there's a lot of futures to it. Did she have a regression to try

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and access the memories of that time? She did. Yeah, And I

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will say that most of the people
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I think it works as long as
it's in the right hand. Because there

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is a lot of evidence shown that
this can't produce a not completely accurate recall.

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There's effects that shows it can be
absolutely accurate, a very valid tool,

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or it kind of shied away from
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can definitely tell anyone who says,
no, you can explain all these cases

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by hipgnosis, I'm like, well, hold on a second, No,

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you can't. Eighty percent of the
people I've talked to have never touched it,

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but she did because she really really
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I think, you know you have
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If it's causing you some issues in
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it's an excellent tool. And she
ended up going that aggressive hypnosis with someone

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who's quite experienced at it. Dead's
shock t that's their name. She worked

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with John Yost and his book Ring
his award winning documentary Alien Abduction Answers.

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So yeah, she went under knows
this. While she did recall some of

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it consciously, which is almost always
the case, she did not says yes

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on all this hat he experience have
once she started to recall it. What

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she does remember her and her friend
Karen were driving along this fyway outside of

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email Cnutah, and they were heading
for Ghosts of Springs. They were going

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to do an all night drive and
at the point they realized, you know,

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there was a beautiful clear night with
the stars in the moon. They

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realized that they could not see the
moon. That really followed them really started

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to concern them because I couldn't see
the stars either. The sky was just

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pitch blackness, zero sense. At
this point, they're not really feeling here,

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but they're like, really, one
print, how could this possibly be

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true? So they're hanging their heads
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no stars, no load, nothing. Then Karen, who is driving,

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slams on the brakes and standing in
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It's a group of about twenty maybe
thirty rabbits. They're not normal.

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But one thing. They're all situated
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spaced out kind of like centuries each, you know, ten feet between

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each one. It's weirdly random but
uniform sort of pattern. And every single

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one of them was about four feet
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had their backs to them. So
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this was just outrageous. Y'd been
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that is significant, I don't know. But they got out of the car,

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the radio's planing, the lights are
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the two of them get out of
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are looking at them, trying to
figure out what is going on. The

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closest to one was, you know, maybe ten feet twenty feet away from

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them, at which point they turned
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weren't rabbits. They were grays,
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That was what we would call a
screen memory, you know. At

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that point, several things happened.
At once, the car lights went out,

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the radio went off, the engine
dyed, A giant bright light shone

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down on them from above. Looking
up, they could see something very large,

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and Susan started screaming. And that
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they're waking up in a rundown diner
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is three hundred four hundred miles away. It did not show on their pedometer

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or their all lit gas tank was
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H didn't show that these miles had
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noticed a little bit later. They
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very severe sunburn over her most of
her body, both of them did,

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to the point where it blistered.
So there was medical evidence that something happened,

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physiological evidence that was the missing time, right, and what did it?

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Then follow a typical gray abduction scenario
where they medically looked at like the

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behind on ell or was there something
else happening as well? Now it was

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parly typical, and there's always little
bits of new elements because what she recalled

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she did have some memory of flying
down to the car consciously, and she

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kept wondering about that. Back then, there was a whole lot of information

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on this subject. But years later, which is fairly recently actually, she

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went under hypnosis and recalled that she
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this craft with the car apparently,
and she didn't see what happened to her

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friend, but she was taken into
a room where there was a gray being

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a little gray, and she had
no fear. At this point, he's

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seeming very friendly, and she actually
asked him can I touch you? What?

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Can I reach out and touch you? And he said yes, And

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she ran her fingerstyle its arm so
very much like dolphin skin, which I

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thought was interesting because I've heard that
before. She didn't have a different texture,

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kind of like almost diropholte like.
She was trying to find words to

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describe it, which's always funny to
me because that is another thing I look

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for. Sheep are trying really hard
to find the words to describe something that's

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absolutely out of the reletive experience.
But she touches the gray and says you,

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and the gray said no, not
you. I am you and you

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are me. That other saying that
I thought was significant because that is a

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very common message contact. He's get
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common heritage. At that point,
she was physically exampled. Was thankful or

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scary to her and then she does
remember being shown images, and this to

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me is the most important takeaway from
her experience. She thought images of war

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tanks and bombs exploding, and the
soldiers shooting each other and all the sort

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of things smoke. And they told
her that humanity is on the wrong path,

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that you need to tell people to
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the answer, and that violence will
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It's basically what they told her,
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in a collected teleopathic her experience in
a nutshell, which totally made sense to

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her because as a little child,
she does remember seeing these grays looking in

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her window. She would find herself
outside at night. I'll realizing how she

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got there, locked out of the
house. And you know that was all

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in each five. That was when
she started having these dreams about wars and

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tanks in her street. She lived
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North Carolina, So for her to
be how having these dreams was absolutely out

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of character, coming out of nowhere. She hadn't been exposed to anything like

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that, but it absolutely echoed what
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board experience, missing time, so
that is a message that they often give

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card tactics. So I think that
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because of trying real hard to wake
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are on the wrap path now,
ben that that message of the battle's war

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and things like that being implanted in
to abduct his mind. We've seen that

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before, haven't we, with the
South African case of the ship landing with

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these school children encounters. Yeah,
it's actually quite a what pressures are striking,

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contains a lot of tropes you see

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in many many abductions illnesses had a
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the the communication between the eats and
the humans via telepathy. They don't often

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speak. Some species do, but
generally they the more humanoid ones are more

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like to speak. However, very
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that there as a kind of telepathic
communication in the mouth doesn't move, the

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vocal tract doesn't actually move, and
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head. That's how people describe it. That's very common. The screen memory

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as well. There's actually a guy
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Sinclair. He also saw some rabbits, which they behave very oddly because you're

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just walking along a little pathway and
he saw some rabbits, but they weren't

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behaving like normal rabbits. They were
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also a lot bigger than most rabbits. They thought they might be a hares

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at first, but it turns out
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in that same day he had an
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and the common heritage thing. I
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may in some way be connected to
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some way or another. I mean, this is very often they don't go

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into great detail, these beings,
and they're not always honest either. They

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they they can they can deceive,
and they can play tricks and they people

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report are very many, many different
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it's it's straw. However, there's
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it's the idea of this is some
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I mean, androw Hodian's study on
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that that it counts these the dream
sleep paralysis thing. I mean people I

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suffer from sleep paralysis. I get
it about once a month. It doesn't

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bother me much. Dreams, I
mean everyone has dreams. You can't you

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cann't sleep properly unless you have them. But there is a distinct difference firstly

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in the quality of the experienced.
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on the body, the there is
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Yeah, so, and it's so
really, this is this is an

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extraordinary, extraordinary situation. It's a
extraordinary situation where humans are dealing with and

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we it seems we've always had these
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a beginning to it really when it
first started. And but it's a shame

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that what you said at the beginning, Preston that every the people you talk

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to, one of the first things
they say to is things like, I'm

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not crazy, you know, I
don't say drugs and things like that,

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And I'm not into drugs, I'm
not mentally ill. So why do they

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Why is it necessary to persuade you
so hard of that? Why is there

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so they so urgently want to persuade
you of that, and it's obviously it's

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because it's a rhetorical question. We
have a society where where such experiences are

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denied. They're they're on the perif, they're outside the Overton window of what

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we accept within normal society, which
is a shame, because they are very

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real. They're as real as any
other experience we have, and not even

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not everyone has them, obviously,
but those who do have them, And

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it's it seems that then our culture, it probably goes back to many generations

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actually before the modern UFO phenomenon that
having these experience, maybe to the times

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of the early churches when people have
witch burnings and things. But there's definitely

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been a change in society where these
kinds of experiences were denied, Whereas you

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know, there are some cultures where
in places like South America, for examplehere

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people are a lot more open to
these ideas. I know that this is

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why possibly in South America we're going
to talk about, well he's Mexican,

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a's North America, but he does
a lot of work with South America.

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How you in Massan's you don't have
the stigma in that continent like you do

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elsewhere, and a lot of the
digenous cultures throughout the world accepted this.

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Frankly, I blame our governments for
doing a very concerted campaign, very well

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and spending an enormous amount of time, money, and energy to make this

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subject now credible to ridicule witnesses,
to define every UFO experience as either a

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hux hollorcination or a misperception you the
art Tack style. I blame them.

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This should be accepted because it's widespread. A lot of people are having these

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experiences, and they have done it
deliberately, as in Presston. I mean,

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I've been into this lot myself.
I think the suppression and the marginalization

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within culture is deliberate. It has
a purpose. So yeah, what is

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the purpose to hide the presence of
aightenzts from us as Westerners? Is it

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because the government sphere they haven't got
control on the situation and they want to

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be this hop dog type of thing
to an extent, I think that's exactly

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it. Honestly, I think it's
a threat to their power, their control

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over society. The bottom line is
greed, power and money. I really

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think that's the driving force behind the
UFO cover up because we do have these

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craft, you know, I'm sure
you've heard of Roswell, the crash in

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nineteen forty seven in New Mexico.
It's not unique. There are many other

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cases of this. It's pretty clear
judging from the many, many whistleblower accounts

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and more coming out daily, we
do have these craft, this technology,

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the bodies, and that would be
a game changer for sure. I mean

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there's absolute conclusive evidence. And if
there's technology that would basically make fossil fuels

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redundant or useless, well we've got
basically an oil based economy. The oil

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industry is making billions of dollars and
profits. They're not going to let that

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go easily, the energy, you
know industry in general. So I think

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there's a lot of reasons behind the
cover up, but ultimately I think it's

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are so if it has been covered
up now Obviously in more recent years,

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we've had this kind of drip effect
of things come into light through official channels.

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I mean earlier this year in February, I think Ben you covered it

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with the balloons going across Alaska and
other i know, identified objects specially being

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shot down, and then and then
literally was it July or August. We

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had David Grush coming forward June.
Yeah, it started in June. Yeah.

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And I do think that there are
now people in who seem to be

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in positions of authority. There at
least there's a fashion of people in position

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of authority who do want to end
this truth embargo, and they're trying to

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find a way of doing it.
But at the same time they believe,

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for whatever reason that they have in
a sense, in order to undo the

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cultural tidal set that we've been talking
about here, you have to make you

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have to do it slowly and carefully
and in stages. So there's something theatrical

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going on. I believe this is
why seem to have like a parade of

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different events happening, and when they
happen, it seems they go away.

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Then something else comes along, things
like that. The so called balloon thing

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in February was remarkable because there's a
part with one exception, that is the

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large Chinese balloon that actually flew right
over Connell, North America and was shot

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down over the sea. With that
was the first one, but then there

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were three others that followed, and
there's absolutely no evidence to suggest those things

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were balloons. They were never described
as the only one was actually described as

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a balloon by one person that was
the Canadian General. Apart from that they

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were the word balloon was never used. They were called objects, which is

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extremely unusual. I cannot want to
fit some kind of psychological test to see

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how people would react. Yeah,
yeah, what did you make of that,

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Preston, When you is getting reports
coming through these strange objects you know,

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often referred to as balloons as like
the operative word to use at the

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time, But I mean, what
was your thoughts on that? Yeah,

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Well, I also don't think they're
genuine UFOs because we've not been able to

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shoot down any UFOs as far as
I can tell. They basically our distanced

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their fast dismissiles. They know one
were out there, can fly circles around

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anything we've got. Their technology is
that advanced, and it's stunk of propaganda.

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I mean, it really did.
I thought it was very interesting that

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they were calling them UFOs in that
UAPs, which they've been trying to push

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that term for a while. Yeah, and yeah, I mean it was

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all just you know, like you
said Ben. It almost a parade,

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he said. He said it was
odd for sure, and really felt like

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it was more of a propaganda than
the actual series of events. I suspect

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that they were drones for other countries. I don't know. I've really dug

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deep into that. But it came
into the media, was headlines and disappeared.

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Always makes me suspicious. It was
very unusual. M David add flight

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logs, presumably the aircraft that went
to intercept them. And I suppose you

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could do a free tom the information
request to try and find out further information

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if any researchers have done that,
which is what they did. Yeah,

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what did he come up with?
Did he find anything substantial? You know

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what? I'm not sure. I
mean, if I'm checked, he produces

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so much material I haven't checked yet. I'll to keep up with him.

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Yeah, big, Yeah. The
truth. My governments, honestly, they've

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been lying from the beginning. They're
still lying. I don't trust them.

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I think if we might to get
the truth about this phenomena, we go

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and go to the people who are
having experiences, which is where Yeah,

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it's a trade with my search this
This is a point I had mentioned.

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I think in one of the comments
to one of your videos. Actually,

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you know, because like NASA have
announced they've now been pulled in to give

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their take on the whole UAP straight
UFO phenomena, and NASA suddenly, after

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like sixty plus years of being around, are now going to do a bit

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of investigation. I mean the fact
that they've been sending uh, you know,

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flights to Mars of robot craft and
things landing on Mars saying we're going

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to look for signs of life and
we've got these little test kits on there

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and they're going to probe the soil. They're suddenly now going to, oh,

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we better better look into this UFO
stuff. The fact it has been

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you know, we've been buzzed by
these UFO for the past seventy five years

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and beyond presumably, and that's the
sudden thing. Maybe we should actually look

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with our telescopes and see what's out
there. And really, like I think

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I mentioned one of Preston's videos,
it's incredible they're spending most millions of dollars

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do this kind of thing, but
they're not actually interviewing witnesses on the ground,

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which is Joe Sop isn't it that
the actual public that are having these

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experiences. And it's interesting to note
that during those Senate hearings they had three

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people that are interviews, are witnesses, and they were military whistleblowers, if

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you like, they haven't got to
the stage where they're going to put Joe

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so out on public to get their
testimony, because I think really their testimony

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would be the most telling. You
know, seeing craft through a gun scope,

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you know, going to speed is
one thing. But when you've got

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a witness that says, well,
actually I was taking a board and they

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did this to me, and they
did this and they also showed me seeing

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as a war and things like that
in an official capacity would be quite a

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serious concern for the public. I
think if it's suddenly acknowledged in a public

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hearing, wouldn't you say, Preston, Yeah, yeah, I think massive

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being entirely disingenuous when they say we
don't know what this is, I think

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they now and yeah, I absolutely
agree. It's a glaring Oh I know

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what the war would be a hold
in their story in the fact that they're

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not even looking at anyone who claims
contact. And there's a lot of people.

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I mean, if they could have
interviewed Charlie Hickson and Calvin Parker,

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Travis Walton or Whitley Strieber, the
long, long, long list of people

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claiming direct contact. And if you
don't want to go there help taking a

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look at the landing trace cases.
Boy, do we have a lot of

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those thousands. You know, the
Lanizama case in New Mexico, Socorro,

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or the trends on Provence case in
France, or the Delphos, Kansas landing

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trace case. Those are just three
good ones, but there's a lot of

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them. The hard evidence. Let's
take a look at the implant cases where

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people claim to have objects in their
bodies and some have been removed. Doctor

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Roger Lear really spearheaded that research is
now of course passed away, but that

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is some absolutely undeniable evidence. I
have cases myself. I think most researchers

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too. So why do not look
at that? I mean, it's absolutely

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ridiculous that they're talking about sightings saying
we don't know what they are. Yeah,

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yeah, that's a crazy notion.
Well, I find interesting as these

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researches, well respected research. As
you just mentioned him, the guy that

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passed away that was doing the implant
cases. And then there's the guy that

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who's the psychologist or psychiatrist Mac they've
got hit by the car in the UK.

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They Yeah, I just find it
kind of odd that these people that

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are doing groundbreaking research, they really
get into the bottom of things, you

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know, with their research, and
suddenly they just pass away or they have

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an unfortunate accident, and it seems
to be a little bit fishy to me.

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Yeah, I mean I could add
actually to that that we're pressed and

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mentioned the you know, the interests
from government, and we've I did sit

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through the NATA press conference that it
was absolutely as boring as anything is.

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They just literally reinvented the wheel and
they just peat stuff they said before.

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But people who do have these encounters
sometimes report they do get visits from guys

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who or gals, you know,
not just not that like the men in

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black, the spooky kin, and
sometimes they're just ordinary people who just want

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to especially if they've had media attention, who want to know a bit more

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about their experience, and they sometimes
introduce themselves as reporters, but it turns

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00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,559
out later on they are actually connected
to some kind of intelligence agency and they

408
00:34:04,599 --> 00:34:07,119
asked them lots of probe in questions
and things like that about what were they

409
00:34:07,239 --> 00:34:09,719
like, you know, what were
there was their craft, like what did

410
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:14,159
they say? Things like that,
which shows that there is a kind of

411
00:34:15,519 --> 00:34:22,960
in the secret world. The state
actors are very aware of what's going on,

412
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:28,280
and they appear to take an interest
in it, although of course there's

413
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,039
official ridicule and denial on top of
that, of course, which is a

414
00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:35,679
quote from a document written by the
first head of the CIA, So so

415
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,599
yeah, it's so pretty Obviously there's
probably a lot of classified material about contacts,

416
00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:45,599
seas and abductees which we should come
to light. I think, do

417
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:50,400
you think that's likely to come forward
in any Senate hearing eventually? I mean,

418
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:53,400
maybe the first first thing out of
the blocks that they're going to officially

419
00:34:53,400 --> 00:35:00,880
do is talk about cases where they've
been seen from ships or aircraft. And

420
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:05,440
I mean, David Grush was the
one that was given the most telling information.

421
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,840
But it's interesting that they put forward
a guy that has to admit that

422
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:15,880
he's never actually seen anything for himself
in person. He can only relate it

423
00:35:15,079 --> 00:35:19,840
second or third hand of what he
believes to be the case. And I

424
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,639
think that's almost a very talent thing
itself, because the people that really matter,

425
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:29,280
those ones that work behind closed doors
researching the UFOs crashource is what we

426
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,800
want to call them. As soon
as they step forward into the light,

427
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:40,159
their lives would never be the same
again, and that that would really open

428
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:44,199
up a whole kind of worms if
they stepped into the public, Like I

429
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:45,960
mean, the one that did was
Bob Blazar, you know, and he

430
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:51,239
did it unofficially, but whether he's
to be believed or not, but he's

431
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,960
certainly one that brought it out into
the mainstream media at least. I mean,

432
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:59,599
it was like thirty plus years ago
now and everyone kind of like forgot

433
00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:04,360
and now kind of resurrected those sorts
of animal was bubblers are right, because

434
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,800
now David Grush is kind of like
verifying pretty much what Bubblaza was claiming.

435
00:36:09,079 --> 00:36:13,079
Where do you think we could be
going next with these sennet here and I

436
00:36:13,119 --> 00:36:16,400
mean, we've got some more whistle
blowers coming forward, Preston, Yeah,

437
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:24,280
well there's these latest three Grush pray
wearing graves are the last, long,

438
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:30,639
long line of whistleblowers, and there's
many behind the scenes just waiting who I

439
00:36:30,679 --> 00:36:37,159
think are afraid of reprisals or damaging
the reputation or what have you. I

440
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:45,880
don't expect we'll be seeing any interviews
with contactes or direct witnesses. Just speculating.

441
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:50,239
I think what's probably going to come
down the line is we're going to

442
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,960
see some more blurry photos, some
more blurry videos, and we know they

443
00:36:53,960 --> 00:37:00,000
have much better than what they're showing
us if you just look through the literature.

444
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:05,079
Sure there's of course the UFO landing
at Edward's Air Force Base, which

445
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:12,159
astronaut Gordon Cooper saw the film of
show us that fil I don't think it

446
00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:17,039
show us the gun camera footage.
Loue Alizondo said that these seen footage that's

447
00:37:17,079 --> 00:37:22,079
far clearer than what's been made public. So at some point I think we'll

448
00:37:22,119 --> 00:37:24,079
probably see some of that. It
may even show us a little bit of

449
00:37:24,119 --> 00:37:28,360
metal and say, we don't know
what this metal is. But are they

450
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,760
going to show us the craft?
I don't think that's coming anytime soon.

451
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:37,800
I can't rule it out. I
think the fact is truth is truth,

452
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:42,639
and you can't hide it forever.
The analogy I would use is like a

453
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:47,679
dam that is breaking, that is
just filled with this enormous amount of information

454
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,800
that there's so much pressure on it. It's leaking all over, it's spilling

455
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:58,320
over the top. To deny it
would make you look not credible. And

456
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,039
I think that's one of the driving
ports is behind the disclosure we're seeing,

457
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:07,239
is to maintain control of the narrative, because if you don't start saying something,

458
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,599
people are not gonna look to you
for answers. They don't won't believe

459
00:38:10,639 --> 00:38:15,440
you. And we're at that point
the government is not considered credible on this

460
00:38:15,519 --> 00:38:22,760
subject by any UF or researcher.
So we'll be seeing more movement for sure.

461
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,199
But I think it's gonna be like
you said, drip drip, drip

462
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:30,760
drip. I'm hoping that just collapses
and spills all over everybody. All right,

463
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:37,480
here's truth face it. Yeah.
Yeah, So it's interesting you mentioned

464
00:38:37,519 --> 00:38:40,159
about the quality footage, because yeah, when you see this footage through gun

465
00:38:40,199 --> 00:38:45,519
cameras and it's like really grainy,
very blurry. Yeah, you can't make

466
00:38:45,559 --> 00:38:49,559
out any detail whatsoever. Yet here
we are home all with our four K

467
00:38:49,639 --> 00:38:52,559
TVs, watching four K movies and
things like that, and thinking, okay,

468
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:58,960
here I am watching Netflix in four
K, very high quality detail there

469
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,599
on that footage, and you know, the gatherings of the world are surely

470
00:39:02,639 --> 00:39:07,800
not just using webcams to view these
flying sols as quick that they've got some

471
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,519
pretty high tech good stuff out there. Yeah, well, I'm going to

472
00:39:10,599 --> 00:39:15,079
look at the satellites which can read
a postage stamp or a newspaper that you're

473
00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:20,239
holding. You're telling me they don't
have great photographs of UFOs, and yet

474
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,519
we have. I mean, if
you've ever seen a map of the number

475
00:39:22,559 --> 00:39:27,960
of satellites surrounding our planet, it
looks like, you know, flys on

476
00:39:28,039 --> 00:39:32,719
a piece of meat. It's whack. They absolutely have the evidence and they're

477
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:38,280
not showing us they have much better
footage. There's a zero doubt about that.

478
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,519
This is this is what I like
about the Galileo project. This is

479
00:39:42,559 --> 00:39:45,519
a because of course astronomy also has
the ability to pick up a lot of

480
00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:52,480
data from the sky and AVI lobe. The Harvard Harvard astronomer is actually running

481
00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:55,199
this thing called the Galileo Project where
he's trying to gather this evidence independently.

482
00:39:55,880 --> 00:40:00,480
There's also uap X, an organization
that's trying to gather independence on the ground

483
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:08,400
independently using various cameras including some that
they've invented themselves to uh to get data

484
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:14,920
on surface of surface sightings for UAP
or UFOs. I still like that are

485
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:19,519
still like that term in the areas
for example, where the nimits exercise took

486
00:40:19,559 --> 00:40:24,119
place where the where the tic TAC
was seen. So they've they've actually achieved

487
00:40:24,119 --> 00:40:29,840
some results and some quite something.
So I mean we we we the people

488
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,000
have not helped us. We don't. We may not have the quite the

489
00:40:32,039 --> 00:40:36,119
same kind of equipment the secret government
has, but we still have a lot

490
00:40:36,119 --> 00:40:37,599
of technology and we should make the
most of that. Try and use that

491
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:43,679
hm hmm slotted with u AP ar
attacks for because I've done a lot of

492
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:50,039
research into USOS the Santa Catalina San
Pedro Channel where there's an enormous amount of

493
00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:52,320
activity, and that's where they set
up a bunch of their stuff. So

494
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:57,880
yeah, I think worth the verge
now where I mean, I think there

495
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:04,199
is enough evidence in the public arena, honestly to convince any hard nosed skeptic

496
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,039
if they're willing to look at it
objectively. In some great footage I appointed

497
00:41:08,039 --> 00:41:15,079
to the cumberg as Turkey footage in
two thousand and seven eight nine, which

498
00:41:15,159 --> 00:41:19,559
no one has been able to debunk. Even the Turkish government declared it genuine.

499
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:24,039
It's amazing footage. Is this just
just security guard, isn't it?

500
00:41:24,079 --> 00:41:29,840
On the on the beach looking across
the sea, you've actually see two aliens

501
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:35,840
in the ya. You actually see
two little heads. Yeah, remarkable.

502
00:41:36,599 --> 00:41:38,719
Mm. I did see a still
of that are the aliens? And I

503
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:43,719
don't know whether in the still they
suit up a bit in phurnoto shop to

504
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:45,559
take the more adiant looking as something. I wouldn't thought you could get that

505
00:41:45,639 --> 00:41:50,159
clarification or clarity on the camera from
that distance. I would have thought,

506
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,360
yes, you could probably see figures
going through the windows or whatever they are

507
00:41:53,880 --> 00:42:00,679
that you know, maybe they'd be
blurry or or ill defined. But it's

508
00:42:00,679 --> 00:42:04,719
almost like as if they've run the
photograph or the still frame of it through

509
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,840
some sort of remedy type of program
on a cell phone to clear it up,

510
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,840
and it's come out looking very Aidian. You know, they've got an

511
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:15,840
alien set button or something on the
phone. But still remarkable footage anyway,

512
00:42:16,599 --> 00:42:20,639
which is one thing you know,
like the skeptics. It makes me laugh

513
00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:25,559
because we both know a few skeptics
and we've been Yeah, now one particular

514
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:30,599
gentleman I won't mention his name,
who I've known since I was a kid.

515
00:42:30,679 --> 00:42:35,360
Really, he will quote the idea
of, well, how can they

516
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,920
get from there to here? You
know? Then he'll talk about doctor Brian

517
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:44,039
Cox saying, you know, they're
so far away, even coming at Speeder,

518
00:42:44,119 --> 00:42:46,440
like it could take so many hundreds
of years to reach, or some

519
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:52,079
things like that. Do we get
any clues of where these beings, these

520
00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:54,760
grays are coming from? And we
talked about the Betting Barney Hill case earlier,

521
00:42:55,079 --> 00:43:00,599
this particular, what's that planet seem
to particular? Yeah, that's yeah,

522
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,000
there's the starmapp that some one of
them showed better, you know,

523
00:43:04,599 --> 00:43:07,480
Yeah, do we know where they're
coming from? Preston, Does any of

524
00:43:07,559 --> 00:43:14,239
the witnesses kind of get any clues
from these beings that kidnap them? Oh?

525
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,519
Sure, And I'm not sure I
would use that term kidnap because some

526
00:43:16,559 --> 00:43:22,719
of the witnesses find that offensive.
I will say that I did interview a

527
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,559
lady by the name of Dolly Saffron
Or I ended up writing a full length

528
00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:32,119
book about symmetry because her case is
probably the most extensive of anyone I've interviewed,

529
00:43:32,559 --> 00:43:37,639
and she was told flat out and
taken there that the ets come from

530
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:42,920
the Orion system. The third star
on the right, it's a little bit

531
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:47,400
below it. Yeah, they come
from Orion. And I've heard that from

532
00:43:47,639 --> 00:43:55,000
other contactees as well. So when
I hear that from independent witnesses, I

533
00:43:55,039 --> 00:44:01,360
think that lends a level of credibility
to it. Sometimes people don't get that

534
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:08,000
kind of answer, that kind of
clarity, but certainly O Ryan is one

535
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:13,639
place that is mentioned repeatedly, So
I find that more and more compelling each

536
00:44:13,639 --> 00:44:19,719
time I get new information on that. And it's interesting actually with a Ryan

537
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,400
because that comes up in the Graham
Hancock book, Ben and does here a

538
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:28,559
cool finger prince of the gods,
that's right, Yeah, felt of a

539
00:44:28,679 --> 00:44:34,079
Ryan through the what was that that
Chambridge tyranny? Yeah. He claims that

540
00:44:34,119 --> 00:44:38,480
the that the architecture of the great
Pyramids of Geezer is to match the belt

541
00:44:38,519 --> 00:44:43,880
of Orion, and he says that
there's these little shafts in the pyramids point

542
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,239
towards where these constellations are. Now, I must say when I when I

543
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:52,239
with aliens themselves, I mean aliens
do mention constellations occasionally, but I do

544
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:57,920
sometimes find it a bit dubious and
not necessarily that these experiences are false.

545
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:02,000
But the aliens are actually play a
little trick, because, for example,

546
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:07,840
there's some that are described themselves as
player dions and andromedons and things like this.

547
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:14,360
Now, a constellation is as a
pattern of stars on which we see

548
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,920
on the celestial sphere, which is
generated by the Earth's unique location within the

549
00:45:19,039 --> 00:45:22,400
universe. And if you move the
Earth through a different part of the universe,

550
00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:27,039
you'd still see stars you've actually looked
up. You might even see some

551
00:45:27,079 --> 00:45:30,039
of the same same stars, but
they would form a complete different pattern in

552
00:45:30,039 --> 00:45:36,000
the sky. We'd have to invent
new constellations. So I do find a

553
00:45:36,039 --> 00:45:40,360
bit when aliens focus too much on
constellations, I do wonder why they're doing

554
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:45,039
that, or whether it could be
that someone is fantasizing, or it could

555
00:45:45,039 --> 00:45:47,440
be that they're deceiving us, or
it could be that the extraterrestrials themselves are

556
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:54,280
deceiving us. I often find that
they would let to know. I guess

557
00:45:54,400 --> 00:46:00,639
if these extraressals has come from the
star just in o Ryon or something like

558
00:46:00,679 --> 00:46:07,480
that. They'd have to know our
kind of system of thought on astronomy and

559
00:46:07,519 --> 00:46:14,840
how we yeah, I mean yeah, they when they contact people say they're

560
00:46:15,159 --> 00:46:19,920
Spanish, well speak Spanish to a
person, but let's telepathic or otherwise or

561
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:25,039
Danish or what have you. They
do seem to know pretty much everything about

562
00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:30,760
us, so that doesn't really bother
me that they would label something using our

563
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:35,760
terms. M It's interesting though,
having said that, I mean, I

564
00:46:36,079 --> 00:46:40,760
do recall in the Betty and Barney
Hill case is the under hypnosis Betty came

565
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:47,599
and Betty mentioned that the ets or
whoever they were, grays or someone came

566
00:46:47,679 --> 00:46:52,239
into where she is being examined and
they were trying to pull her teeth out

567
00:46:52,519 --> 00:46:58,679
because apparently it came to light that
Barney had false teeth, and whilst he's

568
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,039
been examined, they managed to remove
his teeth inadvertently or intentionally, and so

569
00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:06,920
they came to check on Betty's teeth
at the same time that Barney has been

570
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,880
examined to see if her teeth were
coming out, and there's slight confusion on

571
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:15,679
the part of the aliens about why
her teeth weren't coming out. So I

572
00:47:15,679 --> 00:47:17,960
think it's a learning curve with these
aliens. It sounds like a learning girl.

573
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,159
Certainly, they do seem to know
a lot about us, but I

574
00:47:21,199 --> 00:47:23,719
think there's always the odd curve ball
that does confuse them. I mean,

575
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:30,280
I've heard of cases where you get
these very humanloid looking aliens that seem to

576
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,719
interact with people, but they don't
know how to use a pencil or something

577
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:37,840
like that. Have you heard of
things like that? It's come up.

578
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:45,239
Yeah, absolutely, this is still
relatively new phenomena in terms of us understanding

579
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:49,599
it. But let's face it,
while this does go back hundreds, twelve

580
00:47:49,679 --> 00:47:54,440
thousands of years, what's going on
now is largely unprecedented, really beginning with

581
00:47:54,480 --> 00:48:00,960
the modern age of UFOs nineteen forty
seven, nineteen forty eight. Before then,

582
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:04,960
while there are counts of people perhaps
being taken on board, not in

583
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:09,880
the numbers were seeing today, they're
really ramped up huge in the fifties,

584
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:15,119
sixties, seventy and so on.
Before then, we just don't have any

585
00:48:15,679 --> 00:48:22,280
large numbers of historical accounts. What
we do have shrouded through, of course,

586
00:48:22,679 --> 00:48:28,159
the belief system of each culture,
which really didn't include extraterrestrials. For

587
00:48:28,679 --> 00:48:37,559
most centuries, these things were labeled
as perhaps spiritual events or religious or astronomical

588
00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:45,760
events, but never was the idea
of extraterrestrials really cemented into culture until you

589
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:52,199
know the modern age of UFOs,
and that's we started getting so many cases,

590
00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:54,840
not just water too, I mean
a hundred punumpians really beginning of the

591
00:48:54,960 --> 00:49:00,960
nineteen fifties. And the grays have
always come up to me anyway, at

592
00:49:00,039 --> 00:49:02,960
least it has been the bad guys, but now me more pools they seem

593
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:07,480
to be very much more caring,
whereas earlier pools I used to read that.

594
00:49:07,559 --> 00:49:09,719
It's almost like as if they were
emotionless kind of beings. I mean,

595
00:49:10,119 --> 00:49:15,320
are we encountering different sorts of grays, maybe from different places. I

596
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:22,480
think that there probably is some variation
going on there. Having interviewed hundreds of

597
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:27,280
one hundreds of people, I think
we're getting a much clearer sort of picture

598
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,960
of what's going on here. They
are all humanoids, all the different types

599
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:37,239
of eteens, whether it's pragmantis or
basically human looking, or tall whites or

600
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:44,079
little blue beans or grays of all
kinds, but short little grays apparently,

601
00:49:44,199 --> 00:49:46,880
you know, the three foot tall
ones, and what I can gather are

602
00:49:47,079 --> 00:49:57,119
probably what we will call artificial intelligence
biological androids who aren't particularly emotional and who

603
00:49:57,199 --> 00:50:00,800
do the work and are often the
ones who scoop people up out of their

604
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:06,000
bedrooms and carry them to the craft
where they do meet grace, which are

605
00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:13,480
much more emotional and per caring.
And I do think there's been an overlay

606
00:50:13,519 --> 00:50:20,760
of fear over how this whole phenomenon
has been portrayed. So really the media

607
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:27,239
is very fear based and loves a
lurid, scary story, and people who

608
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:34,360
are having trauma are perhaps more likely
to seek help and publicize their experience,

609
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,840
where someone who's like I had a
wonderful experience doesn't need help, so they're

610
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:45,239
not being underreported. I think now
we're realizing the onboard experience is not nefarious.

611
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:50,800
People are being taken on board and
physically examined and heal, and then

612
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:55,840
I have three hundred plus cases of
that documented, and I wrote a book

613
00:50:55,880 --> 00:51:00,840
on this too, actually a new
edition, because this is not getting the

614
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:06,639
attention it deserves. I think this
is one of the main motivations behind me.

615
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:10,599
On board experience is all about healing. I've got cases for pretty much

616
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:16,559
every major researcher, whether it's Bud
Hopkins or John Mack or David Jacobs or

617
00:51:16,599 --> 00:51:22,119
Philip Mantle, or Timothy Good or
Barbara Lamby, Bob Smith, Tim Beckley,

618
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:27,480
Edith Fiori. I can go on
and my jew this is a big

619
00:51:27,519 --> 00:51:31,079
part of it. And if you
look at the sequence of events that takes

620
00:51:31,159 --> 00:51:37,639
place on board of craft. While
it can be and often is scary for

621
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:42,920
people, especially in the beginning,
I think at some point they come around

622
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,559
and realize, no, they're not
trying to hurt me, they're not trying

623
00:51:45,559 --> 00:51:47,960
to scare me. I really have
zero accounts. So what I would call

624
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:55,880
the distic behavior where ets are intentionally
trying to hurt or scare people or take

625
00:51:57,079 --> 00:52:00,639
over our planet, I have no
evidence of that. They will heal you,

626
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:06,639
take it onto the engine room,
actually explain exactly how these craft are

627
00:52:06,679 --> 00:52:09,679
powered all they run. They'll take
you up to the control room. I

628
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:14,760
have many many cases of this.
They will sit she down in the seat

629
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:19,639
and let you fly the craft.
I know that must sound crazy to skeptics,

630
00:52:20,079 --> 00:52:23,639
but Grant Cameron just put out a
book called Skypilots where he all ones

631
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:28,559
some sixty cases. I'm like,
yes, because I keep getting those.

632
00:52:29,039 --> 00:52:31,119
That was true with Dolly Saffron.
They taught her how to fly the craft.

633
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:38,320
They will give you all kinds of
warnings, and this is pretty eaaly

634
00:52:39,199 --> 00:52:45,199
I think interpreted its being good for
us because they're warning us about how we're

635
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:50,880
treating each other. Our warlike ways
are used to nuclear material in any capacity,

636
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:55,400
are just the destruction of the environment, pollution, chopping down a forest.

637
00:52:57,079 --> 00:53:00,639
They're very, very concerned about how
we're treating ourselves, each other and

638
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:07,599
our planet. How is that nefarious? Also one final thing is people come

639
00:53:07,639 --> 00:53:16,159
away from their experiences with credible psychic
abilities. It's elevating to some degree that

640
00:53:16,199 --> 00:53:23,880
they start experiencing healing or astral travel
or remote viewing our mediumship or physical levitation.

641
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:29,519
Honestly, got human levitation. I've
got like twenty cases. I started

642
00:53:29,679 --> 00:53:35,719
just recently looking into that because Jacques
lallead cases, but appkins, it happened

643
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:42,960
to Whitley Strieber. Stephen Greer described
levitating following his experience. So the point

644
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:49,119
is they are giving people this boost
and their psychic abilities, and that is

645
00:53:49,159 --> 00:53:52,719
again one of their goal, one
of the reasons for contact, and they

646
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:58,320
will tell people this, you need
to wake up. So this, I

647
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:02,440
think all speaks to why these guys
are here, what their agenda is,

648
00:54:04,119 --> 00:54:07,599
and refect that they're not here to
take over the planet. Real quick,

649
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:12,599
I had a contact de on the
East coast ask them that, flat out,

650
00:54:13,039 --> 00:54:15,519
are you here to take over the
planet. That's little Gray, who

651
00:54:15,519 --> 00:54:20,960
had introduced himself to her as Sam, that's his name, said no,

652
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,800
we have zero interest in your planet. It's far too prouded. You guys

653
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:30,920
are very emotional. We're very hard
to be around. Your planet is very

654
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:35,280
polluted. We have access to all
the planets we need. We have no

655
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:40,079
interest in your planet. We are
inched in your genetics. But that was

656
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:47,159
essentially what they told her. Interesting
the full land. Yeah, so by

657
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:52,880
asked Preston, why do you think
it is that the contact phenomena has increased

658
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:57,719
so much, as you said,
from the nineteen fifties onwards. I think

659
00:54:58,119 --> 00:55:02,199
that you know, and I'm certainly
not the person to say this relatively to

660
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:07,119
the field. I got involved in
the late nineteen eighties, well mid nineteen

661
00:55:07,159 --> 00:55:14,280
eighties, But many researchers have remarked
on the coincidence or the synchronicity that the

662
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:21,199
atomic age coincides exactly with the modern
age of UFOs. And I think what

663
00:55:21,199 --> 00:55:25,320
we're dealing with is that's the time
when we finally reached the ability to completely

664
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:32,119
destroy ourselves and absolutely obliterate all life
on this planet, and the ETS who

665
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:39,400
have been in the sidelines for millennia
apparently finally said, you know what,

666
00:55:39,679 --> 00:55:44,360
we're going to have to step in
and we can take over. People have

667
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,480
to solve their own problems. But
this is when they started pulling people on

668
00:55:47,519 --> 00:55:52,679
board. And again their number one
message is about nuclear proliferation. That's the

669
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:59,920
first thing they will warn people about. But all along all those lines,

670
00:56:00,039 --> 00:56:04,400
I think we've reached a point now
where if we don't change, we're looking

671
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:10,320
at an existential crisis. And they're
they're doing their part and intervening to the

672
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:19,400
extent that they can and to avert
change our About as we're as we're having

673
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:23,119
this discussion, is in the news, we uh, there's some people and

674
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:30,840
proposing that predicting there may be a
confrontation soon between Israel and Iran who are

675
00:56:30,679 --> 00:56:37,079
nuclear armed or Iran is developing a
nuclear deterrent right now, which course could

676
00:56:37,159 --> 00:56:40,320
be a really really horrible situation,
not just for the people of those countries

677
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:45,920
but for the world at large.
And this is generating the course making us

678
00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:49,920
everyone I'm sure in those countries,
but everywhere else people are feeling afraid right

679
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:57,960
now in your view, I mean
someone who's spoken to lots of contacteas to

680
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:04,400
what extent would the Extra threscils insvene
in order to alleviate this? Dane Jeron,

681
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,960
I dope we can count on them
to avert a nuclear war. I

682
00:57:09,039 --> 00:57:14,800
really don't. I'm not going to
say that they want, because there is

683
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:20,880
some evidence that they have will look
at the Monstrom incident on ten nineteen sixty

684
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:25,480
seven, where they basically came down
and shut down the nuclear weapons, the

685
00:57:25,719 --> 00:57:32,039
ICBM missiles. I think that's probably
to the extent that they will intervene saying

686
00:57:32,079 --> 00:57:37,239
listen, you are on their own
tap. I don't know for sure.

687
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:43,559
Obviously that's very hard to determine.
But they didn't stop Hiroshima Nagasaki? Did

688
00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:47,199
they? And they had I don't
know if that would have been any better

689
00:57:47,239 --> 00:57:52,519
for us, because we wouldn't have
learned our lesson. We need to learn

690
00:57:52,599 --> 00:57:59,559
to clean up our own message.
That's what they have told contactees. There

691
00:57:59,559 --> 00:58:05,039
was a couple in Arizona when I
interviewed who were invited on Bard. They

692
00:58:05,039 --> 00:58:09,039
said it wasn't scary at all,
and they were healed, and they said,

693
00:58:09,079 --> 00:58:14,400
why are you doing this? Why
don't you just calm down and help

694
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,440
everyone? And they said, we
can't. It's up to you to solve

695
00:58:16,559 --> 00:58:21,960
own problems. We're helping those who
help others. He was a soul show

696
00:58:22,039 --> 00:58:27,119
work or she was an herbal healer. They lived on Hawaii. We're doing

697
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:32,000
a lot of good work. I
think that's the extent that they're willing to

698
00:58:32,159 --> 00:58:37,719
intervene, but who knows. I
think it should we face an absolute existential

699
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:45,239
crisis, there's a distinct possibility that
they will scoop people off this planet because

700
00:58:45,239 --> 00:58:50,159
a lot of conductees have gotten that
message that have been several along with the

701
00:58:50,199 --> 00:58:54,000
three, like Trinity, Oshmannagasaki.
There's been several thousand UKA detonations in history

702
00:58:54,519 --> 00:59:02,039
in terms of tests which have done
terrible damage in places like Nevada, Australia,

703
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:07,480
the South Pacific and places like that
where people have actually died as a

704
00:59:07,519 --> 00:59:15,400
result of fallout from those tests,
and there was reports of strange things being

705
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:19,639
seen around them, for example,
that Marilingo and Australia were extraterrestial beings or

706
00:59:19,639 --> 00:59:23,239
something that could be what looks like
extra trescical beings was seen and other places,

707
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:29,440
so they seem to be monitoring the
situation at the moment without actually taking

708
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:32,960
steps. With a few exceptions like
Malstrom and there was that incident in Ukraine

709
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:37,760
as well, years ago as in
the eighties that was, but that was

710
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:42,360
slightly different because they actually tried the
first of all, they were going to

711
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:46,880
launch one deliberately and then they shut
it down as far astray as this shows

712
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:51,960
that they can play with our toys
a lot better than we can. Yeah,

713
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:53,800
I think we drawn to a break
here on the ParaNorman peep Show.

714
00:59:53,840 --> 01:00:00,000
We're talking to Preston Dennett and I'm
co hosting this episode with Ben Emlin Jones,

715
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:02,320
who is normally are regga gless,
but he's actually being a very good

716
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:06,679
host the season. So thanks that
Ben so far. So we'll take a

717
01:00:06,679 --> 01:00:12,360
break and we'll see you in a
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718
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:19,760
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719
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:23,320
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01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:29,599
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721
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,440
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722
01:00:32,599 --> 01:00:42,880
Fascinating guests, fascinating talk, fascinating
information. Hello everyone, welcome back.

723
01:00:43,039 --> 01:00:46,000
I'm ben Emlyn Jones and I'm with
Neil Ward here on the Paranormal Peep Show

724
01:00:46,239 --> 01:00:51,440
and our guest this evening is Preston
Dennett, and we're going to continue with

725
01:00:51,639 --> 01:00:57,119
our conversation with him this evening.
So welcome back, Preston. Thank you,

726
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,039
Preston. Before we sent to the
break there, we were talking about

727
01:01:02,039 --> 01:01:08,960
the Aliens, the Ets or the
Grays given people messages of war and destruction

728
01:01:10,159 --> 01:01:16,320
and kind of basically try to implant
these ideas on mankind that we're heading for

729
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:24,480
doomsday scenarios. Now I hear stories
from other people like we're being visited by

730
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:30,840
I don't know, it's humanoids that
they might call them. You mentioned them

731
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:35,039
earlier, Benner. The I know
that we don't like using the name Nordics,

732
01:01:35,079 --> 01:01:37,639
but it's a Nordics that Pleaadians.
Is that what they're called? I

733
01:01:37,639 --> 01:01:39,599
mean some people refer to Palladians.
Yeah, well, there are people who

734
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:45,119
I know who who channel the Palladians
or contact with what they call the Pleaadians,

735
01:01:45,639 --> 01:01:49,719
and they do appear to be very
humanoid. They're described as being tall,

736
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:53,599
fair haired, usually bright blonde,
with the very intense dark blue eyes.

737
01:01:53,639 --> 01:01:59,360
Usually the eyes are slightly larger than
human eyes, and they appear to

738
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,599
be very friendly, very benevolent,
wanted to help us, teach us.

739
01:02:02,679 --> 01:02:09,239
The very intelligent creatures arrive with their
arrive with a shampoo and say it by

740
01:02:09,239 --> 01:02:15,480
this hand, this is yeah,
that's they want to be very helpful.

741
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:22,599
Did you get any contacts with people
pressed in from reporting Pleadian or Nordic kind

742
01:02:22,639 --> 01:02:25,519
of contacts? And then do they
share the same message that the grays share

743
01:02:25,639 --> 01:02:31,239
or do they give some sort of
different kind of picture of a scenario of

744
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:37,440
mankind. The messages that are always
the same, whether it's grays, short

745
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:43,519
ones or tall ones or mid sized
or bring man just or human looking or

746
01:02:44,119 --> 01:02:47,679
what have you, The messages don't
really vary. And yeah, I don't

747
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:52,639
like the term Nordic either, because
having interviewed a lot of people, it's

748
01:02:52,679 --> 01:02:58,000
not accurate. It's just not I
would call them human looking or a gentleman.

749
01:02:58,039 --> 01:03:02,920
I interviewed Stan Hughes from Idaho,
who is a Native American who had

750
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:07,760
an encounter with a craft which landed
in front of him on the road.

751
01:03:07,239 --> 01:03:13,719
Now stepped a human looking figure,
but according to Stan Hughes, he had

752
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:17,440
dark skin, looked very much Middle
Eastern, dark haired, dark eyes,

753
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:22,639
darkish skin, but a very handsome
man, he said, very strong,

754
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:31,639
six and a half feet, broad
shoulders, wearing I believe if I got

755
01:03:31,639 --> 01:03:37,599
this right, blue boots and a
silver jumpsuit could be reversed, but at

756
01:03:37,639 --> 01:03:44,159
any rate, not their skin and
blue eyes as we sow up here.

757
01:03:44,719 --> 01:03:50,280
I mean, really other jopsman who
had an encounter in Leo Koreo Beach,

758
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:55,440
which is along the coastline of southern
California, who saw humanoids as well,

759
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:00,159
and they were human looking, but
each of them more about five and a

760
01:04:00,199 --> 01:04:04,960
half feeton, he said, looked
Meso American, Mexican or Peruvian, and

761
01:04:06,199 --> 01:04:12,639
has often described there is multiple figures, many and women wearing kind of blue

762
01:04:12,719 --> 01:04:16,079
jumpsuits or looked very much alike,
to the point that they could have been

763
01:04:16,159 --> 01:04:23,360
twins or brothers and sisters. That's
very consistent. But the messages are,

764
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:27,159
yeah, pretty much the same,
regardless of the being that we're dealing with.

765
01:04:29,079 --> 01:04:30,440
I think that occurred to me the
other day thinking about it. If

766
01:04:31,039 --> 01:04:34,639
these beings are coming to Earth,
from wherever they're coming from, and this

767
01:04:34,719 --> 01:04:40,360
could be the Grays, the Pleiadians, or whoever, the Mantis people,

768
01:04:41,639 --> 01:04:48,840
they presumably must be landing on other
planets as well, presumably taking their people

769
01:04:49,119 --> 01:04:55,239
on the other planet on board to
do something with them. I guess did

770
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:58,679
they ever mention any kind of other
planets that they're dealing with in any of

771
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:03,719
their contact tea cases? Yeah,
it does turn up. And my book

772
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:10,000
Symmetry with Dolly Saffron, she describes
exactly that, going to other planets where

773
01:05:10,079 --> 01:05:14,440
ets did pick up other people and
other what we would call, you know,

774
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:23,639
raise certainly, but blue skinned beings, human looking people that look very

775
01:05:23,679 --> 01:05:28,639
much like Polynesians here on Earth.
In fact, that's why the book was

776
01:05:28,679 --> 01:05:34,559
called symmetry. According to her experiences, there's a symmetry to life throughout the

777
01:05:34,639 --> 01:05:41,840
universe, and that the plants and
the animals and certainly the people all do

778
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:47,559
genetics and share a common heritage.
By is do see a lot of variation,

779
01:05:48,559 --> 01:05:54,719
perhaps you know the little details,
it's essentially the same, no matter

780
01:05:54,760 --> 01:06:00,000
where to go. That does turn
up in other contact the accounts, certainly

781
01:06:00,119 --> 01:06:04,000
in the literature, and occasionally I
get accounts like that it's not super often

782
01:06:04,039 --> 01:06:10,239
people will describe going to other planets, but it does certainly happen. Yet

783
01:06:11,199 --> 01:06:13,840
do they say do they say how
they get here? I mean, I

784
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:16,440
mean, obviously we got the you
know, Brian Cox says that you can't

785
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:20,159
get from there to here because they
takes too long a time. Do the

786
01:06:20,159 --> 01:06:25,960
Eats kind of explain how their warp
drive for one of the bat word works

787
01:06:26,239 --> 01:06:31,599
and how they overcome all those challenges. Absolutely, And there's two main ways

788
01:06:31,639 --> 01:06:38,000
that they travel. There's interplanetary and
when they're flying around our planet, they're

789
01:06:38,119 --> 01:06:43,840
harnessing our gravitational field lines. And
they find this over and over to people

790
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:46,679
that they're using some some people would
describe it as an anti gravity, but

791
01:06:46,719 --> 01:06:53,960
it's usually somewhere along the lines of
electromagnetism and gravitational field lines. But as

792
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:59,800
far as interstellar distances, it's clear
that they do have this ability because we're

793
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:05,239
getting so many cases of this,
and well Dolly describes it in the book.

794
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:09,960
I keep bringing her up because she's
kind of become my go to gal.

795
01:07:10,079 --> 01:07:14,199
She's got a lot of evidence supporter
case by the way, corroborating when

796
01:07:14,239 --> 01:07:18,079
it's is medical evidence, photographic evidence, and more. I just want to

797
01:07:18,119 --> 01:07:23,679
put that out there. But she
describes how they open up what she calls

798
01:07:23,679 --> 01:07:30,519
a light gate using very high amounts
of electricity. They're able to essentially leave

799
01:07:30,639 --> 01:07:38,239
our dimension and come back into the
third dimension in any desired location. So

800
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:45,840
not so much a wormhole or you
know, a portal that is traveling interdimensionally,

801
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:50,679
and that does turn up in other
accounts. People have extensive contact.

802
01:07:53,559 --> 01:07:58,320
Well you mentioned and yea, yeah, you mentioned UAPx and their and their

803
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:01,880
work and and the document you tear
in the sky. It's worth watching that,

804
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:06,760
I'd say. And the title of
the documentary is because they have seen

805
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:12,960
objects appearing out of what looks like
some kind of strange object. It's an

806
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:16,479
object in the clouds which appeared where
these things just suddenly appear as if it

807
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:23,319
is the end the entrance of some
kind of tunnel, and which sounds very

808
01:08:23,399 --> 01:08:27,720
much like what Pressner has just described. Another thing Preston said, I thought

809
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:33,840
was interesting the fact that you see
life all over the universe and different planets

810
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:39,760
having a similarities to our own.
And indeed, we've just been discussing how

811
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:45,239
these creatures often resemble ourselves physiologically,
which could support it could have something to

812
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:50,239
do with the pan spermia theory,
the idea that there is the building blocks

813
01:08:50,239 --> 01:08:57,760
of life actually travel across space between
planets. If they do, then this

814
01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:03,159
possible they'd take genetic information and more
genetic fields which cause them to produce a

815
01:09:03,199 --> 01:09:09,840
parallel evolution type of process on different
planets, which could explain why they we

816
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:14,439
meet beings from other worlds, they
look somehow familiar to ourselves in some cases.

817
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:19,319
Yeah, kept me out of the
UPO field. It's not too much

818
01:09:19,359 --> 01:09:24,239
like Star Trek to me. I'm
like, really really expected it teas to

819
01:09:24,279 --> 01:09:29,159
be something completely different and we're just
not seeing that. I think we really

820
01:09:29,199 --> 01:09:33,039
have to look at the evidence that
we've got, and because there's a lot

821
01:09:33,079 --> 01:09:38,079
of shoe fitting and cherry picking in
this field, people trying to push forth

822
01:09:38,159 --> 01:09:43,159
their theory or their agenda and picking
the evidence that supports it, and that's

823
01:09:43,159 --> 01:09:46,680
not how science works. You have
to take all of the evidence and see

824
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:51,279
what you can come up with in
terms of consensus. And yeah, we're

825
01:09:51,319 --> 01:09:59,880
absolutely seeing mostly humanoids, bi puel
beings almost exclusively, I should say,

826
01:10:00,079 --> 01:10:03,800
are cases of robotic beings, but
even those are often described as yemanoid and

827
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:10,119
form which I find super interesting.
There our case people have been taking on

828
01:10:10,159 --> 01:10:15,840
board craft and seeing what would amount
to eat animals or strange sheet vegetation,

829
01:10:16,199 --> 01:10:21,960
you know, animal husbandry centers or
arboretums. I know already six Killer Clark

830
01:10:23,399 --> 01:10:28,840
and her really excellent series of three
or four books, several cases like that.

831
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:34,239
I know John Mack has a couple
of cases as well. So yeah,

832
01:10:34,359 --> 01:10:41,039
I think what we're seeing is basically
symmetry throughout the life and universe.

833
01:10:41,359 --> 01:10:45,359
But we're still trapped here on Earth. We don't know. We are the

834
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:50,880
banquet neck of the woodspot that things. Now. It's interesting because Brian Cox

835
01:10:51,119 --> 01:10:54,560
sort to go back to him,
but he always asks us saying, why

836
01:10:54,640 --> 01:11:00,399
all these et cases, you know, they describe everyone's meeting people with that

837
01:11:00,039 --> 01:11:03,920
ahead two arms and two legs,
and they He seems to be against the

838
01:11:04,039 --> 01:11:09,119
idea that the biological event and our
planets should be completely different if they've had

839
01:11:09,119 --> 01:11:13,199
a completely different evolution from us.
But the other side of the coin is

840
01:11:13,199 --> 01:11:17,279
that we may be all come in
from the same particular point or origin anyway,

841
01:11:18,279 --> 01:11:24,199
So therefore we've kind of moved out
to different planets and evolved to set

842
01:11:24,359 --> 01:11:28,880
pretty species and we're cousins of these
other creatures if you like, But would

843
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:33,399
that be fair to say? I
mean, you can speculate all you want,

844
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:40,079
and that's why I don't think it's
useful to listen to our government who

845
01:11:40,119 --> 01:11:45,239
lies, or to pundits on television, scientists who have not read a UFO

846
01:11:45,279 --> 01:11:48,520
book or done the research or even
have an experience. And you can speculate

847
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:53,720
all you want about what you ta
life might be like, or you could

848
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:58,640
go to the evidence and look at
it. How many accounts do we need

849
01:11:59,079 --> 01:12:01,840
that we don't have, or twenty
or one hundred or a thousand. We

850
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:08,920
have close to a million documented cases, so I don't know how many we

851
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:14,960
need to first pass this barrier of
skepticism. I don't quite understand the resistance

852
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:19,680
to the idea of extraterrestrial and visitation, because the evidence is certainly there,

853
01:12:20,039 --> 01:12:25,560
and I think what we're seeing is
undeniable. These are craft. They are

854
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:29,720
leaving burn traces on the ground,
they do have windows, Eats are coming

855
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:33,560
out. People are not in their
rooms or wherever they're supposed to be when

856
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:40,520
they're claiming to have been taken on
board. People are What the skeptics do

857
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:45,159
is that they have an ideological They
have an ideological commitment to what we talk

858
01:12:45,199 --> 01:12:48,159
about not being true. For whatever
emotional reason, they have a need for

859
01:12:48,199 --> 01:12:51,960
it to live in a world where
these things don't happen. And the Professor

860
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:57,319
Brian Cox, whom Neil mentioned,
is a notorious gatekeeper. He is a

861
01:12:57,319 --> 01:13:02,399
particle physicist who put in the media
to present science programs on anything other than

862
01:13:02,399 --> 01:13:06,319
his specialized field, which is already
his specialized field is the only thing he

863
01:13:06,359 --> 01:13:12,479
knows anything about. He's completely ignorant
on everything else. And he's also got

864
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:17,399
a terrible ego problem and can be
basically make to dafter any tune. So

865
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:23,920
this is why I think he's ideal
for the job. So I think people

866
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:26,840
at that are part of the reason
the cover up continues. Some of them

867
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:30,119
are just have this emotional this emotional
desire to live in the world where these

868
01:13:30,119 --> 01:13:34,920
things aren't true. Others I are
useful idiots, and some are deliberately lying

869
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:41,279
to keep the truth from the public. I have goot it. I was

870
01:13:41,319 --> 01:13:45,359
a skeptic. I understand it was
a very difficult adjustment. I was not

871
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:50,159
happy finding out this was real because
it completely collapsed my belief system. But

872
01:13:50,319 --> 01:13:55,840
I thought I knew what I was
taught, and it's a core belief.

873
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:59,039
I mean, this is something that
goes right to the heart of how we

874
01:13:59,239 --> 01:14:03,520
view ourselves in this universe, even
as far as you know religion and politics.

875
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:09,119
It's a very sensitive issue for some
people and they just don't want to

876
01:14:09,159 --> 01:14:13,479
go there. I understand that.
But do you want to live in truth

877
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:18,920
or do you want to live in
denial? Skeptics I've talked to something,

878
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:24,199
they won't examine the evidence. They
absolutely will look the other way and stick

879
01:14:24,239 --> 01:14:29,399
their head in the sand. How
is that scientific? It's not. So

880
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:32,960
you have a choice here. I
think everyone has a choice to either look

881
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:38,760
to our governments for answers. Good
luck with that, or look to yourselves,

882
01:14:39,159 --> 01:14:41,960
you know, and look to the
contact ees. Do your own research.

883
01:14:43,199 --> 01:14:46,479
I you know, don't believe what
I'm saying. Interview some people see

884
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:51,119
what actually happens. Reach out for
yourself, have a sighting and you will

885
01:14:51,159 --> 01:14:55,720
know. I know you thos are
real. I've seen them. It wasn't

886
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:59,159
enough for me to know. Interview
my brother who saw on, my sister

887
01:14:59,199 --> 01:15:02,399
in law, my others, stern
lawa several friends and people I work with

888
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:06,640
for years, like this is crazy. I want to see one these guys

889
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:12,680
have, so yeah, eventually I
did. I know it real I think

890
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:16,319
people need to do their own research
and come to their own conclusions, and

891
01:15:16,359 --> 01:15:23,319
they'll see that there is truth to
this phenomena. Do I recall correctly that

892
01:15:23,399 --> 01:15:28,039
the ETS of a certain fraction are
aware with you as an author? Is

893
01:15:28,039 --> 01:15:31,119
that right? That is right?
Yeah, I've kind of gotten hints of

894
01:15:31,199 --> 01:15:34,840
that here and there. I remember
I asked a lady to go on public

895
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:40,760
access television and she had an encounter
shortly before she was due to go on.

896
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:43,920
The ETS told her, no,
we're aware that you want to do

897
01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:46,000
this. Thought, gosh, if
they're aware of her, they must know

898
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:50,680
about me. Another time, I
was interviewing a gentleman and he called me

899
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:56,039
up the next day and said his
little son, who was like five years

900
01:15:56,039 --> 01:15:58,960
old fore, came running in after
he hung up the phone with me,

901
01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:03,960
said daddy had a star landed in
front of the house, and after talking

902
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:09,880
to his kid, realized it was
a craft. So they were there while

903
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:13,199
we were on the phone together.
I did have a lady who told me

904
01:16:14,039 --> 01:16:16,920
she was referred to me by the
ETIES, and I took that with a

905
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:23,159
grain of salt. Until Dolly said
the same exact thing. She said that

906
01:16:23,199 --> 01:16:28,760
they gave her my name and it's
just not long after that, I got

907
01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:31,640
a call from a guy in England. Well I didn't know and she didn't

908
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:35,880
know me, but called me up
because he had had an encounter and the

909
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:42,239
etis were talking about were on the
wrong path and we're heading for a disaster

910
01:16:42,359 --> 01:16:45,760
and there was going to be great
earth changes and they warned him about nuclear

911
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:49,880
proliferation all of the things we had
been talking about, and I basically counseled

912
01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:57,000
him, which is mostly what I
do, honestly, And after we talked

913
01:16:57,039 --> 01:17:00,279
for about an hour or two,
she said, well, one more thing

914
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:03,840
I had main connor with Grace.
It was this morning and they told me

915
01:17:04,159 --> 01:17:09,520
to call you. They gave me
your name, and when you said that,

916
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:12,199
that was enough for me to be
like, Okay, here we go

917
01:17:12,239 --> 01:17:15,960
again. I think they know about
all of us during the Arth New Bench,

918
01:17:16,079 --> 01:17:21,680
certainly they know about all of us. I wonder if they'd like to

919
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:26,760
appear as our next guest. I'd
like to meet them. Yeah, yeah,

920
01:17:27,119 --> 01:17:30,640
yeah, So you've seen UFOs as
well, Ben, haven't you.

921
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:31,600
I'm the only one that hasn't seen
it, and I feel left out.

922
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:35,840
Well, you never know deal,
I mean you can, you can,

923
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:40,760
you know, you get each chance. I have several dozen times I've seen

924
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:44,920
things in the sky I can't explain
in this three instances I think really defy

925
01:17:45,039 --> 01:17:50,439
explanation. I would say, I've
seen objects where if if they were every

926
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:53,560
day objects, they were in a
position where I would have been able to

927
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:57,039
identify them, and I couldn't.
But yeah, I mean they're more common

928
01:17:57,079 --> 01:18:00,880
than people think. I mean they
they if you go to skywatches, for

929
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:05,439
example, Neil, I mean,
you'll get some success, without doubt,

930
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:10,239
eventually you'll get some success. Especially
when this flat where flaps break out.

931
01:18:10,279 --> 01:18:13,159
People go there and they see them
all the time. This is one of

932
01:18:13,199 --> 01:18:15,960
the reasons they have these cover ups
and weather balloon stories and things like that.

933
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:19,880
It's because these things fill ask guys, they can't be suppressed. You

934
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:24,680
can't. You can't have a cover
up in things like astronomy. It's the

935
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:29,439
one truly democratic science. All you
can do is that when people see these

936
01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:31,560
things and try and persuade them,
they're not seeing what's actually there, and

937
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:36,479
they're seeing something else. And with
most people, unfortunately, it is very

938
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:40,359
easy to persuade them, especially when
they have jobs that depend on it.

939
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:44,319
For example, if you're a scientist, you have rent to pay like everyone

940
01:18:44,319 --> 01:18:48,119
else. You don't have to risk
your tenure. And as John Mac discover,

941
01:18:48,319 --> 01:18:55,840
John Mack was persecuted in the world
of his employment and his academic career

942
01:18:56,039 --> 01:19:01,680
because he simply said what he thought
was real and provided evidence. So yeah,

943
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:06,560
so that's that's how basically how secrets
account People will tacently collaborate with any

944
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:10,479
cover up if if there's enough pressure
put them on, put on in that

945
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:14,520
way. Now, interestingly, going
back to Mac, he was featured in

946
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:19,720
the Netflix series Encounters, which I
know Ben, you've watched one of the

947
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:26,720
episodes or maybe two of them.
I've watched the first one and it covered

948
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:30,960
the Welsh triangle that we've discussed before. They've also discussed, i think in

949
01:19:31,039 --> 01:19:36,279
the second episode, the Zimbabwe case, where John Mack went over and interviewed

950
01:19:36,279 --> 01:19:41,960
the kids. That's interesting that these
UFOs in both cases or flying sources or

951
01:19:42,079 --> 01:19:45,039
craft what everyone will call him a
landing in the facility of schools. It's

952
01:19:45,039 --> 01:19:49,560
also happened in Australia as well,
or ninety sixty six, So yeah,

953
01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:53,920
yeah, so do you think,
do you think, Preston, there's a

954
01:19:54,239 --> 01:19:57,239
I mean, it sounds like there's
a purpose and intentional thing that to land

955
01:19:57,279 --> 01:20:00,399
in front of a load of school
kids, has witnesses, you know,

956
01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:03,800
an impressionable aish to pass on this
doomsday message, to try and get a

957
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:09,560
message across to then because maybe they're
not kind of the mustard with the adults

958
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:12,960
or something. I mean, what's
your take on the ets appearing to loads

959
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:16,960
of kids at schools? So you
brought that up because I ended up writing

960
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:24,479
a book on schoolyard cases exclusively because
I heard about Rui Zimbabwe. Of course,

961
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:29,279
that's world famous. And I immediately
thought of Westall High School in nineteen

962
01:20:29,399 --> 01:20:33,199
sixty six, and I thought,
wasn't there another in nineteen sixty seven?

963
01:20:33,399 --> 01:20:41,319
There was a Crestview Elementary School?
Of course broad Haven in Wales nineteen seventy

964
01:20:41,359 --> 01:20:45,319
seven, I think it was.
I started looking deeper into that. There

965
01:20:45,399 --> 01:20:48,880
was, of course, the Hillsdale
College incident in nineteen sixty six, which

966
01:20:49,119 --> 01:20:55,760
was two weeks before the west Hall
High School piece. That was in Florida,

967
01:20:55,840 --> 01:21:00,800
wasn't it? Was it Florida?
The opal look of Florida Crestview Elementary?

968
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:05,760
Yeah, yeah, just one year
to the day after Westall to the

969
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:10,920
exact day well I started, you
know, as I'm digging up these cases,

970
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:15,359
there was this incredible timing aspect.
It became clear to me that the

971
01:21:15,399 --> 01:21:20,319
EATS were doing a publicity campaign,
much like an author or a musician going

972
01:21:20,319 --> 01:21:26,239
from city to city or well,
school of school and yeah, one hundred

973
01:21:26,279 --> 01:21:30,760
cases, half at elementary school,
half of them, which is significant,

974
01:21:31,279 --> 01:21:38,720
almost all day like encounters, very
low level, long lasting and in fact,

975
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:42,399
and one third of them and this
really blew my mind. It actually

976
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:47,479
landed or ets came out, which
is relatively rare given the huge number of

977
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:54,439
sightings to have a landing, particularly
during the day. So it became absolutely

978
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:59,680
clear to me, certainly that this
is a publicity campaign on the part of

979
01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:05,159
the ETS to in effect announce their
presence in a very clever and effective way.

980
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:12,960
Because children don't look through things in
a way that is all through the

981
01:22:13,039 --> 01:22:17,199
lens of fear perhaps or interpreting it
one way or another. A lot of

982
01:22:17,239 --> 01:22:23,399
them have never heard of UFOs at
all, so it's really astonishing to hear

983
01:22:23,479 --> 01:22:29,560
their accounts and see their drawings of
these craft and teas. So many cases

984
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:32,960
and I'm going to have to put
out a second edition because it's just about

985
01:22:33,079 --> 01:22:39,960
double since I put that book out, it's absolutely something they're doing. And

986
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:43,119
if I may, right along those
lines, I followed it up with a

987
01:22:43,119 --> 01:22:47,760
book about this is funny to meet
driving in theaters because I had two or

988
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:51,960
three cases of my own and then
got three in a row. When I

989
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:57,039
was writing UFOs over Colorado. I
wonder if this is the thing. Of

990
01:22:57,039 --> 01:23:03,119
course it is. They do the
same darn thing, hoordoring over driving theaters,

991
01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:09,159
right over the screen, long lasting, putting out a display, flashing

992
01:23:09,199 --> 01:23:15,880
their lights, darting around, releasing
smaller craft through a very large audience of

993
01:23:15,079 --> 01:23:20,560
you know, two hundred to four
hundred people on the average. That's interesting

994
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:26,640
because there's actually a there's a film
called Explorers, which is a great film

995
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:30,239
actually from the eighties and where that
actually happens. But do you have any

996
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:34,520
do you know why they would do
this, I mean, Ley's driving cinemas

997
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:38,960
or something we I think are unique
to the United States. We certainly don't

998
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:42,119
have them in my country. Where
you actually is rather than going into a

999
01:23:42,199 --> 01:23:45,199
room and sitting in a chair,
you just park your car in front of

1000
01:23:45,239 --> 01:23:49,359
the cinema screen. Why is there
a reason why you think they go to

1001
01:23:49,399 --> 01:23:55,479
places like that. I certainly thought
about it. I think it is a

1002
01:23:55,479 --> 01:24:00,720
publicity stunt that they're basically announcing their
presence. But why why would they do

1003
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:05,119
that? UFO researchers have long been
aware that UFOs do put on what they

1004
01:24:05,159 --> 01:24:11,760
call a display where they're intentionally wanting
to be seen, and we see this

1005
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:18,279
with certain air flap areas or waves
of sightings. Sometimes they're very brazen.

1006
01:24:19,239 --> 01:24:23,880
So why are they doing that?
I can only speculate, but I suspect

1007
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:30,399
it's two because our governments won't.
They have shown themselves to our governments,

1008
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:35,920
and our governments refuse to be truth
or transparent or forthcoming and admit to the

1009
01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:42,840
extratrustrial presence in an open and honest
way. And I think ultimately what we're

1010
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:49,479
looking at is a very distinct possibility
of open official contact. So I think

1011
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:55,000
ultimately that's what we're looking for,
or what we're heading towards. I should

1012
01:24:55,039 --> 01:24:59,600
say to me, as far as
disclosure, that would be the endgame as

1013
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:03,520
well. Show us the bodies,
show us the craft, because I think

1014
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:08,359
at some point, once we can
fully accept the fact that we are being

1015
01:25:08,439 --> 01:25:13,039
visited. We aren't alone, we
will have open official contact. And then

1016
01:25:13,439 --> 01:25:16,319
just cannot see this going in any
other direction. It's not going to go

1017
01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:19,840
backwards. The cuts out of the
bag, the toothpaste is out of the

1018
01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:26,880
tube, can't put it back in. And you wrote a book. You

1019
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:30,760
wrote a book about disclosure, didn't
you? And you have a Roswell Rising

1020
01:25:31,039 --> 01:25:36,479
novels. Yes, I did Roswell
Disclosure and Roswell Rising a novel of Disclosure,

1021
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:40,239
and there are two sequels, so
it's like the Roswell Trilogy. But

1022
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:45,439
this is something I'm very, very
interested in and the purpose of writing these

1023
01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:48,479
books, which are fictional, they're
just it's an imaginary story, but it's

1024
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:55,640
about to kind of like it's one
of these what if scenarios. What if

1025
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:59,880
we did get the truth of civil
lies and watch what the world would be

1026
01:25:59,880 --> 01:26:03,479
like. And so that led to
a scenario which I adapted into a story.

1027
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:08,199
So yeah, I mean, I'm
like your self pressed and I write

1028
01:26:08,239 --> 01:26:12,199
books. So though even though mine
a fictional, they're allegorical. They're about

1029
01:26:12,279 --> 01:26:15,560
real things that go on in the
world today. So how did you view

1030
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:19,159
disclosure through your book? Then?
I mean, would it be a perfect

1031
01:26:19,239 --> 01:26:24,479
world or what No, definitely not. In fact, it's not a one

1032
01:26:24,479 --> 01:26:30,399
way street, and it's it's the
path to disclosure is twisted with many backtracks

1033
01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:33,800
in the story. And indeed,
I think that is actually quite a realistic

1034
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:41,960
scenario. I believe the truth the
situation we're in now in terms of our

1035
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:47,159
our collective psychology, our cultural mindset. To undo that, to unlearn that

1036
01:26:47,279 --> 01:26:51,039
and replace it with something else,
I think is necessary in the long run.

1037
01:26:51,079 --> 01:26:54,760
I think it's a good thing,
and it's it's actually essential if we're

1038
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:58,760
going to continue to exist as a
species on it and continue to have a

1039
01:26:58,760 --> 01:27:02,079
planet that's viral of a life.
Yet it's going to be, I think,

1040
01:27:02,079 --> 01:27:06,399
a very difficult process for many people, especially those who've never really thought

1041
01:27:06,439 --> 01:27:12,479
about it before. It's going to
be a shock. It's going to make

1042
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:16,079
people reassess more than just the existence
of life in the universe. Is going

1043
01:27:16,159 --> 01:27:21,239
to make all of us assess our
place in it and how we relate to

1044
01:27:21,279 --> 01:27:27,159
ourselves on this planet. I think
it's and there's going to be there's going

1045
01:27:27,199 --> 01:27:30,600
to be some resistance as the forces
of reaction will emerge, and there'll be

1046
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:32,199
there will be attempts, some think
to undo it once it started. I

1047
01:27:32,199 --> 01:27:36,039
think we're already seeing that now.
At any at any stage in this disclosure

1048
01:27:36,119 --> 01:27:39,680
process, there are going to be
people who want to try and roll it

1049
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:44,199
back, and they could even go
to the extent of saying something like,

1050
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:47,560
oh, yes, all right,
aliens exist, but they're really horrible and

1051
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:50,359
they want to kill us. All
you've seen it dependents. Yeah, it's

1052
01:27:50,439 --> 01:27:55,960
like that, and so we need
you to sort of just trust us for

1053
01:27:55,960 --> 01:27:59,079
a little bit longer and do what
we tell you so we can protect you

1054
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:04,159
from the aliens. I mean Independence
Day. The movie Rolling Emmericks nineteen ninety

1055
01:28:04,159 --> 01:28:09,760
six film. It's an appalling movie. It's really bad, but it's worth

1056
01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:14,319
watching for an educational perspective, I
think, because it seems to be it

1057
01:28:14,359 --> 01:28:18,600
seems to be an example of a
very very simplistic, monolithic expression of that

1058
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:26,399
that sort of xenophobic dread. It
makes zero of sense because how long have

1059
01:28:26,439 --> 01:28:33,479
you teeth been around? Forever?
Really? Q you see, they're already

1060
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:35,760
they've been people say, when they
come in, they're already here. They're

1061
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:41,640
here now. Of course, there
was a case in North Carolina where a

1062
01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:45,119
guy had facety faith contact and he
said, why don't you just show yourselves,

1063
01:28:45,560 --> 01:28:51,760
miss that we have over and over
again. So the normal argument from

1064
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:56,000
the skeptics, why don't they land
on the White House lawn? I mean,

1065
01:28:56,199 --> 01:29:00,960
presumably aliens must have been asked that
as any income back and said,

1066
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:04,039
oh, well, we can't get
the land in permission or what's the general

1067
01:29:04,079 --> 01:29:10,239
white kind of reply that you'd give
to those skeptics to say, come on,

1068
01:29:10,279 --> 01:29:14,800
they've got a land on the White
astold to meet all this Bible They

1069
01:29:14,840 --> 01:29:17,720
did. They came awful close in
nineteen fifty two. They sure gave it

1070
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:28,439
a good college try the chamber exactly
DC, you know, four hours for

1071
01:29:28,640 --> 01:29:30,039
actually two days in a row,
and then did it again a couple of

1072
01:29:30,119 --> 01:29:34,720
years later. And what was our
reaction? It was hostile. We chased

1073
01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:39,119
after them, We were trying to
shoot them down. I would point to

1074
01:29:39,199 --> 01:29:44,399
the work of Frank Fashino Junior.
His book Shoot Them Down, shows how

1075
01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:50,119
truly heinous our actions have been towards
the Ets, who aren't shooting us down.

1076
01:29:50,279 --> 01:29:55,800
No they're not bombing people and killing
millions. No, they're not doing

1077
01:29:55,840 --> 01:30:00,640
that. We have a tendency to
impose our own cultural moras and values onto

1078
01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:04,600
other people. And I'm really it's
us I'm worried about. It's our governments

1079
01:30:04,680 --> 01:30:09,760
that I'm worried about hurting us,
not that he chees. They tried to

1080
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:15,239
land them knock at ours line and
we're not welcomed in any way. It

1081
01:30:15,239 --> 01:30:19,760
didn't matter. It's very much like
the uh they have been seen in the

1082
01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:24,680
Day of the Earth Stood Still,
where Michael Rennie as the alien comes down

1083
01:30:24,760 --> 01:30:27,640
the ramp and he goes to get
out some device or something, does a

1084
01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:32,439
gift and soldier shoots it in this
first reaction, shoot him shooting, and

1085
01:30:33,159 --> 01:30:36,159
it's just such a sort of automatic
reaction. We've got to shoot that what

1086
01:30:36,279 --> 01:30:43,880
we don't understand does seem crazy.
Although Grush in his testimony, he was

1087
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:48,039
asked something along those linelnes, had
these aliens ever harmed any human and he

1088
01:30:48,359 --> 01:30:54,239
kind of indicated that, yes,
they've murdered people, and also witnesses have

1089
01:30:54,319 --> 01:30:59,159
been murdered or something. Kabatic in
during his testimony, does anyone recollect that

1090
01:30:59,199 --> 01:31:02,359
being said, yeah, yeah,
yeah, I thought he was talking about

1091
01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:09,520
government murdering witnesses. That's how I
kind of took on because I do think

1092
01:31:09,560 --> 01:31:13,079
that there's a danger of that,
but I don't have any cases of ets

1093
01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:18,119
murdering people. I know there are
cases of injuries people walked up too close

1094
01:31:18,159 --> 01:31:24,119
to a UFO and perhaps gotten radiation
sickness or something along those lines. Yeah.

1095
01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:28,760
People, it's like, oh,
there's human mutilations and they sent me.

1096
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:32,399
You know, I looked into it. There's ten twenty cases which to

1097
01:31:32,479 --> 01:31:39,720
me look like what I would call
my lads honest to God government doing.

1098
01:31:39,800 --> 01:31:43,960
Luckily, it's very rare. Luckily
it's very rare. It's similar to the

1099
01:31:43,960 --> 01:31:48,039
cattle mutilation phenomena and things like that, which is a big subject time to

1100
01:31:48,039 --> 01:31:53,359
go into detail, but it seems
to be similar and luckily it's very uncommon.

1101
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:58,119
Do you think that's trying to bad
mouthy eties by having these cattle mutilations

1102
01:31:58,119 --> 01:32:02,560
and it's really humans behind the word
that under percent because that's what the you

1103
01:32:02,600 --> 01:32:08,000
know, I'm not specializing in that
area, but that's what Gabe Valdez said

1104
01:32:08,279 --> 01:32:12,039
and he was really the go to
guy for years. That's what Larry Fawcett

1105
01:32:12,439 --> 01:32:15,399
said when he looked into it.
This is what a number of researchers have

1106
01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:18,439
said that at some point our government
is going to have to answer it to

1107
01:32:18,479 --> 01:32:24,359
it because they're the ones behind it. That's what Fali Saffern was told by

1108
01:32:24,359 --> 01:32:28,199
the ETS, so they said,
it's not us, it's your government who

1109
01:32:28,319 --> 01:32:34,680
is doing that. They are masscar
Reidan, they are absolutely and I think

1110
01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:38,000
we see evidence of this, and
there's certainly a lot of buzz in the

1111
01:32:38,079 --> 01:32:45,760
UFO community about a false flag putting
forth a false et threat narrative. That's

1112
01:32:45,159 --> 01:32:53,600
actually a big concern of mine too, that it just should. I suppose

1113
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:57,199
if they do go for this Independence
Day like scenario, well they only need

1114
01:32:57,239 --> 01:33:00,239
to do at least something similar to
what was done in the film. That

1115
01:33:00,399 --> 01:33:04,079
is, there has to be some
kind of attack which will be probably film

1116
01:33:04,079 --> 01:33:10,640
a craft and anti graphic craft and
the speech secret space program which will look

1117
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:15,239
like it's it's been done by an
extra trestial just to frighten people enough and

1118
01:33:15,319 --> 01:33:21,239
to make them believe that these the
nase Agians mean business. I mean this

1119
01:33:21,319 --> 01:33:25,720
a bit examples in the history,
of course of that. I think we

1120
01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:30,680
do have enough reverse engineered craft that
look like UFOs where they could do some

1121
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:35,000
real damage, and certainly have already. We look at how the public views

1122
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:40,720
of the UFO phenomena, even now
with all these recent steps towards in big,

1123
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:46,039
huge quotes disclosure. People still have
a hard time with this subject.

1124
01:33:46,279 --> 01:33:49,680
If you come forward and say I've
been in contact with the tease, I'll

1125
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:54,880
give you this side. I know
you. It's still a lot of ridicule

1126
01:33:54,920 --> 01:34:00,960
and disbelief surrounding this subject, which
is unfortunate because, like I said,

1127
01:34:01,199 --> 01:34:06,039
so many people are having encounters.
It's far far more common, I think

1128
01:34:06,119 --> 01:34:15,000
than the general public realizes. Getting
back to the Mexico disclosure that they had,

1129
01:34:15,039 --> 01:34:20,479
where Agi was sad and he presented
these small alleged alien mummy side bodies

1130
01:34:21,439 --> 01:34:29,000
to the press and the public and
the whoever was there. What was your

1131
01:34:29,119 --> 01:34:33,199
initial thoughts when you first saw them. I mean a lot of people riddle

1132
01:34:33,319 --> 01:34:36,600
killed them, but I mean that
was supposedly done tests on them. Now

1133
01:34:36,680 --> 01:34:42,600
that sort of kind of confirms their
skeletal inside, et cetera, et cetera,

1134
01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:45,159
and there're so many thousands of years
old. What's your thoughts from that

1135
01:34:45,239 --> 01:34:50,319
present? Well, I hate to
be on the fence, but I am

1136
01:34:50,359 --> 01:34:57,039
because we've kind of gone through this
sort of thing before. These mummies don't

1137
01:34:57,079 --> 01:35:02,079
look like any eches that people have
described to me. And I think they

1138
01:35:02,119 --> 01:35:04,840
said something about them having eggs inside
of them. I'm like, well,

1139
01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:12,680
that's that's bizarre to say the least. These are thousands of years old,

1140
01:35:12,760 --> 01:35:16,399
allegedly, so I'm not sure how
much relevance they're going to have to current

1141
01:35:16,479 --> 01:35:20,439
events. It could be a game
changer in terms of evidence. I'm waiting

1142
01:35:20,479 --> 01:35:25,680
to see if you know, the
science rolls out on this and is verified

1143
01:35:25,880 --> 01:35:31,680
by people or more independent or you
know, don't have a vested interest in

1144
01:35:31,720 --> 01:35:36,319
this, because I haven't seen that
yet. There's been some pushback by one

1145
01:35:36,319 --> 01:35:43,880
of the people cited by Wassan who
said that she was not involved in studying

1146
01:35:43,880 --> 01:35:47,399
this. So we'll see how it
develops. I think it'd be very interesting

1147
01:35:47,439 --> 01:35:51,960
and yeah, real game changer if
these do turn out to be something that's

1148
01:35:53,039 --> 01:36:00,680
completely unknown in terms of, you
know, a humanoid. But it's really

1149
01:36:00,720 --> 01:36:03,079
hard to say. There's no evidence
that there is. These guys were flying

1150
01:36:03,159 --> 01:36:10,359
craft around or ets. Even there
could be another form of humanoid. We've

1151
01:36:10,479 --> 01:36:14,680
seen everything from you know, the
little hobbed people that they discovered not too

1152
01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:19,560
long ago, to grow magnet and
Neanderthal and so forth. So I am

1153
01:36:19,680 --> 01:36:25,920
very much on the fence about it. I'm skeptical by nature and finding out

1154
01:36:25,960 --> 01:36:30,199
you post were real in a weird
way, made me more skeptical of everything.

1155
01:36:30,159 --> 01:36:33,119
So I want to see the proof. I want to see the science

1156
01:36:33,199 --> 01:36:40,560
on it. Really, that's where
I'm at. I know that there's actually

1157
01:36:40,600 --> 01:36:45,560
a British researcher, Steve Mahra,
he went to He went to Peru in

1158
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:50,920
twenty eighteen or twenty seventeen and I
was allowed to examine these bodies and gather

1159
01:36:51,039 --> 01:36:56,000
some diaser on them, and unfortunately, his conclusion was that they are actually

1160
01:36:56,000 --> 01:37:04,199
constructed from spare parts of humans and
animals, particularly basically to they basically for

1161
01:37:04,319 --> 01:37:10,439
the black market of antiquities. So
basically a lot of for Peruviant mummies and

1162
01:37:10,880 --> 01:37:14,760
income mummies and things like that aren't
being sold from sometimes millions of pounds on

1163
01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:21,079
the black market. It's actually really
really devastating because it's destroying the the heritage,

1164
01:37:21,159 --> 01:37:27,079
the historical the historical legacy of this
this very very ancient country that has

1165
01:37:27,079 --> 01:37:32,199
this grand classical civilization. And so
Steve believes those mummies are not what they

1166
01:37:32,239 --> 01:37:36,640
appear to be, and he's presented
the evidence in Phenomena magazine, which is

1167
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:42,359
which is a shame. I think
if if that's the case, then you

1168
01:37:42,399 --> 01:37:46,960
know, him in a sense,
has possibly derailed the entire the momentum has

1169
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:50,680
built up by this excellent hearing.
I mean, there's some really interesting speakers

1170
01:37:50,720 --> 01:37:55,479
beforehand, and the next day all
anyone was saying in the newspapers was about

1171
01:37:55,479 --> 01:37:59,000
the mummies, these little or whatever
they were, these strange little figurines that

1172
01:37:59,119 --> 01:38:02,079
like sculptures to me. Apparently the
heads are made out of dog skulls or

1173
01:38:02,159 --> 01:38:08,640
lama skulls and things like that.
It's it's it's disappointed, really disappointed and

1174
01:38:09,039 --> 01:38:13,560
upsetting. Interestingly, I've seen photographs
of them, and then you see another

1175
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:15,880
set of photographs and they look completely
different from the other mummies. Like the

1176
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:19,359
eyes are much bigger in some of
these pictures, or the ice sockets,

1177
01:38:19,399 --> 01:38:23,199
and it's like that doesn't look at
the other phone, And yeah, suppose

1178
01:38:23,199 --> 01:38:27,760
at least from the same set of
mummies or something. You know, there's

1179
01:38:27,800 --> 01:38:30,159
never convincece. When I saw those, I thought they just made a female

1180
01:38:30,319 --> 01:38:34,279
or something, you know, crafted
in a kid's kids art class or something.

1181
01:38:34,319 --> 01:38:39,279
They looked really ridiculous. You know, there was no formal I mean,

1182
01:38:39,319 --> 01:38:42,920
there was a shape to them,
but they didn't look like they look

1183
01:38:43,079 --> 01:38:48,079
like sculptures. Are statues that one
might do as an amateur kind of artist

1184
01:38:48,359 --> 01:38:51,600
thousands of years ago, when you're
making a god statue or something, you

1185
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:57,279
know, when you're drawing a god
statue. They did not seem anatomically.

1186
01:38:57,279 --> 01:39:00,720
I know we're t all about aliens
here, but even they just looked like

1187
01:39:01,640 --> 01:39:05,399
too measured and stiff and squared up
and everything like that, as if they've

1188
01:39:05,439 --> 01:39:10,199
been measured against the ruler. And
it just looked wrong to me. I

1189
01:39:10,239 --> 01:39:15,239
felt wrong, body. You know, it's encouraging that the governments are looking

1190
01:39:15,279 --> 01:39:18,479
into this. I think that's the
best thing that's coming out of all these

1191
01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:25,000
congressional hearings. Like in the US, with that hearing with Grush, Graves

1192
01:39:25,039 --> 01:39:30,920
and Favor, it was really interesting
to hear the senator saying, we believe

1193
01:39:30,520 --> 01:39:34,760
the UFOs are real. We think
there is a cover up. The Pentagon

1194
01:39:34,840 --> 01:39:39,479
is pushing back, they're not cooperating
with us. Some of us have seen

1195
01:39:39,640 --> 01:39:42,960
UFOs. When he said that,
I'm like, wow, Okay. He

1196
01:39:42,960 --> 01:39:45,119
says, I'm not going to name
names. I wish you would, you

1197
01:39:45,159 --> 01:39:48,359
know, because if you want to
be other people to be forthcoming and truthful,

1198
01:39:48,600 --> 01:39:51,800
you may as well, you know, lay it out who was in

1199
01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:56,720
UFOs. What did you see?
But it was real strong rhetoric, and

1200
01:39:56,800 --> 01:40:00,600
I think that was different. You
know, that's unpressed. We haven't had

1201
01:40:00,640 --> 01:40:04,760
that before, and it's really interesting
to see because I think this is the

1202
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:09,880
best thing that's coming out of all
of this, that this subject is giving

1203
01:40:09,960 --> 01:40:14,560
so legitimacy. A lot of people
who would never have looked at this for

1204
01:40:15,119 --> 01:40:17,800
are now looking at it. I
mean there's evidence, like I said,

1205
01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:26,880
that there's what eighty years of people
studying this that there's not knowledge. They're

1206
01:40:27,079 --> 01:40:30,640
for us to get a real good
handle on what's going on. So we'll

1207
01:40:30,680 --> 01:40:34,159
see, and of course you'll be
an interviewed for things like the History Channel

1208
01:40:34,239 --> 01:40:39,319
now turn up on various shows like
that, which is great stuff from your

1209
01:40:39,359 --> 01:40:44,560
perspective, But I think that's even
greater stuff from our perspective to seeing someone

1210
01:40:44,600 --> 01:40:48,000
like yourself who talks about humanoid encounters
and that appear on mainstream TV, where

1211
01:40:48,039 --> 01:40:51,600
you'll, presumably in the future,
get an opportunity to talk more about those

1212
01:40:51,640 --> 01:40:57,520
particular interesting cases round just lights in
the sky. You can go into great

1213
01:40:57,560 --> 01:41:02,079
detail about some of the strange,
bizarre encounters that people have had that you've

1214
01:41:02,119 --> 01:41:08,239
interviewed. Can you give us maybe
a really good case from your latest book

1215
01:41:08,239 --> 01:41:15,039
about the humanoid bizarre Encounters, of
why you consider a really truly bizarre humanoid

1216
01:41:15,119 --> 01:41:20,880
encounter. Okay, Well, what's
really interesting is, you know, I

1217
01:41:20,880 --> 01:41:26,079
did put the subtitle high Strangeness because
I think that gets edited out of a

1218
01:41:26,119 --> 01:41:30,760
lot of cases, which is such
a shame because there are people experiencing this

1219
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:35,479
and they have no recourse. One
case that comes to mind involves two brothers.

1220
01:41:36,119 --> 01:41:41,760
I like it. It's a multiple
witness case who had repeated visitations by

1221
01:41:41,840 --> 01:41:45,760
little blue beings, which I don't
hear a lot about. You know,

1222
01:41:45,760 --> 01:41:48,479
we'll get the grays, get a
lot of attention, human lookings and even

1223
01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:54,399
praying mantis, but occasionally I hear
about these little blue beings. And in

1224
01:41:54,439 --> 01:41:58,840
fact, this gentleman, Ron Johnson
is his real name, from East Carlo,

1225
01:41:58,880 --> 01:42:04,279
Texas and his brother were visited repeatedly
by these little blue beings and he

1226
01:42:04,359 --> 01:42:09,720
reached out to me because my sister
in law, who is an artist and

1227
01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:14,760
worked very closely with me and experiencers
to accurately portray what people are seeing,

1228
01:42:15,239 --> 01:42:19,560
drew an illustration of these little blue
beings, and when Ron Johnson saw it,

1229
01:42:20,119 --> 01:42:26,039
he you know on my YouTube channel. He contacted me because he says,

1230
01:42:26,039 --> 01:42:30,279
this is exactly what I saw.
And they're very short, three feet

1231
01:42:30,319 --> 01:42:35,640
tall, wearing these kind of robes
with a hood, flat faces, kind

1232
01:42:35,680 --> 01:42:43,399
of thick wenkly bluish skin, little
eyes, carrying a little wand I said,

1233
01:42:43,399 --> 01:42:47,760
that's exactly how I saw them.
And in many cases the events that

1234
01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:54,159
he describes are fairly typical, but
there's always high strangeness. I think what's

1235
01:42:54,239 --> 01:42:58,039
really interesting in his case is that
she and his brother would wake up in

1236
01:42:58,079 --> 01:43:03,079
the morning, were left up in
their bed sheets like a burrito or a

1237
01:43:03,119 --> 01:43:08,640
tutsi roll, very tightly, with
their arms bound behind and to their sides,

1238
01:43:08,920 --> 01:43:12,119
to the part where they couldn't escape, and had to call for their

1239
01:43:12,159 --> 01:43:15,359
parents. And their parents came in
and said, how did you do this?

1240
01:43:15,840 --> 01:43:17,680
They said, we didn't do this. This is the little blue man.

1241
01:43:17,800 --> 01:43:21,920
They came last night. Their parents
were very religious, did not believe

1242
01:43:23,000 --> 01:43:27,279
them. But that happened many times. And I had to laugh because I've

1243
01:43:27,319 --> 01:43:30,279
heard this from other people. Had
another Winness described the same exact thing.

1244
01:43:30,720 --> 01:43:38,600
Another lady said she woke up to
her quilt rolled up into a like a

1245
01:43:38,680 --> 01:43:43,680
tutsi roll and tucked over her neck
and tucked under the mattress, so she

1246
01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:45,479
had a real hard time, you
know, pulling herself out of bed.

1247
01:43:46,399 --> 01:43:50,079
And it's funny. And when one
of the witnesses I sent him a copy

1248
01:43:50,119 --> 01:43:54,319
of the book, read that chapter
and he says, I'm so sorry I

1249
01:43:54,319 --> 01:43:58,680
didn't tell you this, but that
exact thing that you that these boys described

1250
01:43:59,000 --> 01:44:03,920
happened to me. This is something
they do, I think intentionally I'm speculating

1251
01:44:03,960 --> 01:44:08,399
here, but I'm guessing it's sort
of a calling card, a way of

1252
01:44:08,479 --> 01:44:13,560
letting people know that they were visited
on that night. I don't know.

1253
01:44:13,600 --> 01:44:18,720
It's very bizarre, very high strangeness, so interesting. They come as three

1254
01:44:18,760 --> 01:44:23,800
as these beings. I see a
lot of accounts where these beings will have

1255
01:44:23,880 --> 01:44:30,199
come in threes for some weird reason. Yeah, that does turn up,

1256
01:44:30,239 --> 01:44:32,840
I think, but we see that
here on Earth. When someone goes on

1257
01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:38,439
a mission or in the military,
certainly you've got your three people in case

1258
01:44:38,880 --> 01:44:41,600
one gets hurt, one can stay
with the hurt person and the other can

1259
01:44:41,640 --> 01:44:46,520
go get help. I think it's
just an optimal sort of number for an

1260
01:44:46,560 --> 01:44:50,439
operation. You don't want too many
that would attract notice. And it's harder

1261
01:44:50,479 --> 01:44:55,399
to control. But I don't know, we do see that. I don't

1262
01:44:55,399 --> 01:45:00,560
think there's any weird symbology to it. Yeah, people, I was looking

1263
01:45:00,640 --> 01:45:04,159
at a YouTube channel the other day
about people's afterlife experiences where they temporarily die

1264
01:45:04,199 --> 01:45:08,399
and go to the other side,
and this guy said that he was approached,

1265
01:45:08,439 --> 01:45:12,159
and as you were describing these three
small beings, it almost sounded like

1266
01:45:12,199 --> 01:45:16,960
that there was three small beings that
they were laughing within, not being like

1267
01:45:17,039 --> 01:45:23,960
tormenting devils. They were very good
humored, and eventually this kind of main

1268
01:45:24,119 --> 01:45:27,800
being that was in charge of them
sort of stepped in and started saying,

1269
01:45:27,800 --> 01:45:30,560
Wow, what have you done with
your life? Etcetera, etcetera. Is

1270
01:45:30,600 --> 01:45:33,359
now time to go back. But
it's interesting these small beings were there initially

1271
01:45:33,439 --> 01:45:38,239
to sort of bring him through to
the afterlife. It's just very bizarre,

1272
01:45:38,279 --> 01:45:41,439
and I thought, well, that
sounds almost like an abduction scenario rather than

1273
01:45:41,479 --> 01:45:45,359
an out of body after life experience. It's just so strange, right.

1274
01:45:45,399 --> 01:45:47,800
I think we're going to have to
draw us to a close it as I

1275
01:45:47,840 --> 01:45:50,520
think. Before we go, though, Preston, we'd like to find out

1276
01:45:50,560 --> 01:45:54,640
more about your books and where can
people get old of you? And find

1277
01:45:54,640 --> 01:46:00,920
out about your website and everything.
Thanks Neil. I appreciate that my books

1278
01:46:00,920 --> 01:46:05,119
are available on an Amazon or Burns
and Noble other online retailers at bookstores.

1279
01:46:05,520 --> 01:46:10,960
I do have a website on a
YouTube channel. I'm all over social media.

1280
01:46:11,439 --> 01:46:14,479
If you just punch in my name
Preston Dennett, it should take you

1281
01:46:15,039 --> 01:46:18,359
there. Always love hearing from people. You can contact me through my website

1282
01:46:18,359 --> 01:46:23,960
if you have a story or a
question or comment. It's an important subject.

1283
01:46:24,119 --> 01:46:27,239
I think it has the potential to
change the world or the better.

1284
01:46:27,720 --> 01:46:30,359
And yeah, I really appreciate you
giving me the opportunity to talk about this

1285
01:46:30,399 --> 01:46:35,680
stuff because I think it's real.
I really do. Right. Thank you

1286
01:46:35,720 --> 01:46:40,960
for joining us. We really appreciate
your time. And so the new BOOKI

1287
01:46:41,000 --> 01:46:45,840
is you got a new book in
the pipeline. Oh? Always, I've

1288
01:46:45,000 --> 01:46:48,119
usually got three or four books in
the pipeline. I'm just about finished with

1289
01:46:48,279 --> 01:46:54,479
volume five of my Not from Here
series, all about the sort of more

1290
01:46:54,560 --> 01:46:59,359
bizarre and outline type of faces,
weird patterns, and you upo research working

1291
01:46:59,399 --> 01:47:04,720
on another book about my heart about
experiences huge on that prob We're going to

1292
01:47:04,760 --> 01:47:11,800
put out a signal persymmetry because we
really only skim the service of Dollis Saffron

1293
01:47:11,800 --> 01:47:15,319
and her experiences. So yeah,
I've got a lot of stuff in the

1294
01:47:15,359 --> 01:47:17,600
works now from here in Mine five
is probably going to be the next one

1295
01:47:17,600 --> 01:47:21,960
out obviously leader of this year.
Excellent, brilliant. Well wish you well

1296
01:47:21,960 --> 01:47:27,319
with that, and thank you very
much once again Preston Dennett for joining myself

1297
01:47:27,600 --> 01:47:31,000
and Ben. Thank you to Ben
Emlin Jones for co hosting on this evening.

1298
01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:35,399
Thank you Ben, so Ben again
for people that are interested in your

1299
01:47:35,439 --> 01:47:41,680
own writings, your You've have your
own radio channel and also your own YouTube

1300
01:47:41,760 --> 01:47:44,640
channel, don't you. I do, like like Preston, I'm all over

1301
01:47:44,680 --> 01:47:48,119
social media. You can find me
simply by putting it in my name or

1302
01:47:48,199 --> 01:47:54,159
hospital Porters against the New World Order
and or just write HP A n WOW

1303
01:47:54,239 --> 01:47:58,640
as pronounced of Panwo and that's my
that's basically my main website in the final

1304
01:47:58,720 --> 01:48:00,760
way other things, thanks for much
to Presston. It's been a really interesting

1305
01:48:00,800 --> 01:48:04,800
discussions. Cool. We are have
to grab Preston maybe for your own radio

1306
01:48:04,840 --> 01:48:09,079
show sometime, but you've really very
welcome Preston to be on the Panol Radio.

1307
01:48:09,199 --> 01:48:13,760
Yeah. Cool, well you two
should exchange details. I don't you

1308
01:48:13,800 --> 01:48:16,520
know each other's email? So yeah, maybe collaborate a bit further down the

1309
01:48:16,600 --> 01:48:19,920
road, glad too. Yeah,
all right, thank you very much indeed

1310
01:48:20,319 --> 01:48:25,319
to everybody, and thank you to
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1311
01:48:25,359 --> 01:48:30,119
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1312
01:48:30,319 --> 01:49:11,640
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1313
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