You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network and now it's time for the Paranormal
Peep Show. Hi, welcome to the Paranormal Peep Show with myself Neil Ward.
But where's Andy tonight? Well? Andy is out busy because it's the
month of Halloween. It's that's October season where he's out chasing ghosts and goodies
because he's got his tuned in events which he hosts around the Hertfordshire area.
So he's very very busy doing those psychic nights and catching lots of ghosts and
goodies and probably doing too much on the pumpkin suit. So standing in for
him this evening is our good friend Ben Emlyn Jones. How are you Ben?
Hey, Neil are very well. Thanks. It's great to be on
the show's co hosts. So I've been the guest so many times. It
makes a nice saying i'mdad that I can step in and into Andy's shoes and
help you out here. That's really great, Thank you, thank you,
very cool of you. So the last time I saw you, Ben was
back in July in Portland here in Dorset. That's right. Yes, we
had a really really good time, didn't we I did a talk for the
Dorset Earth Mysteries group and we did a little tour of the area and we
really saw some things, didn't we And yeah, flag that was quite something
we did. Yeah, the Apollo wet Flag experiment, which we'll probably be
known to view as the Apollo Detectives, but we haven't actually put that out
there yet, but I'm sure it will be since. But we also saw
Portland Castle which was of interest built by Henry Gate. So yeah, you
had a great time and I understand that you possibly might be coming back to
Dorsit next year. It's not confirmed yet by and thanks to you who've helped
me out with this. I'm now in touch with the group again and I've
liked your arrange a meeting probably in a few months time, and I've sort
of sort it out about when it's a good time to slip me into the
schedule. And there's such a nice group and the area is such a beautiful
place and if the well there's anything like it was when I was there last
Oh, I can't wait. Good but we're looking forward to it, looking
forward to it. Well, I'm going to be doing a talk on probably
the sasquatch encounters and things like that. There's one man that does know a
lot about sasquatch, but all sorts of other things as well in that line
of strange and bizarre. And that's our guest for this evening is I'd like
to welcome aboard the Paranormal Peep Show Preston Dennett once more. Hello, Preston,
are you there? Yeah? Thanks for having me on. Hey,
Preston, thank you for joining us. So, Preston, how are you?
First of all, I'm doing it well, keeping busy, so always
having fun. That's your your kind of your yours, your sign that you
when you end your videos, keep having fund. So it's good to see
that you're living by that. So you've just brought out a new book,
Humanoids and High Strangers. Is that correct? I sure did it? Yeah,
book number thirty one. You believe it? Wow? How long is
it taken? You should write one of your books? Well, you know,
I'm getting better at it. The research is what really takes a long
time. So that would take a couple of years easy, but I've got
all the information lined up. It takes I would say four five months.
It depends this money I did put it up pretty quick. But then you
have to send each chapter back to the witness so they can verify it for
accuracy. And these sort of things take a little bit of wow wow.
So so in the case of your your latest book, you contact each witness
individually, or you don't just sort of see something in a move on entry
and think, oh, I'll just write that down. You actually go ahead
and interview them over the phone or over the internet or something. Basically,
most of them reach out to me. I will say, whether it's from
a referral from family or friends or something like that, or is seeing me
on your podcast and call me? Or yeah, on TV or my website,
read one of my books. There's a number of different ways people contact
me. And when you when you get contacted by people, and do you
have like her luck her I don't know and in a knowing that what they're
telling you is true, or do you kind of get unchees that something doesn't
feel right and this person's making the app or you have a kind of like
a way of working it out. Oh yeah, I mean there's a whole
process. I go through. The vast majority of people I contact, I
don't interview, they're just looking for information, or people who contact me rather
looking for information or corroboration, or just have a question perhaps. But if
a person has a really interesting story, I will ask them if I can
interview them, having already had a conversation with them. I bet I record
it so I can sort of go through make sure there's not any changes.
Yeah, some people come off as being a little bit shady or sketchy or
dodgy, as you might say anyone. Yeah, most people I think are
really reluctant to speak about this. It can be very emotional. We'll often
say things like, you know, I don't do drugs, I've got a
good education, I have a good job, there's no history of mental illness
in my family. And when they say these sort of things, you start
to realize, okay, they've probably had a genuine experience. But one more
thing. As they describe it, there are little details that are perhaps best
known only by UFO researchers, people who are really into this subject. And
when they start saying saying these little tiny details, which can be anything from
how the ets are dressed or what they say, or what the interior of
the UFO looks like a craft or the tools they use or the you know,
the events that take place. These are little details that I think pland
credibility to a person's account because I've heard them before. Most of what people
tell me I've heard before, and certainly back years ago, that was a
lot easier to do because this wasn't as popular a subject as it is now.
Yeah, I get, you know, witness referrals or what would you
call it, when someone vouches, someone vouches for your character, and I
love when I get a multiple witness case or if they have evidence of any
kind of photographs and any traces in plants. So there at kinds of things
you can do verify a person net their account. Do you find that when
you're interviewing these people they possibly are being investigated simultaneously, or they may have
been investigated by other nuthon mutual ufone network researchers around the same time as yourself,
or you like the first person to really get out all of them.
That varies. I would say in most cases, I'm really the only person
they've talked to about this, but certainly that's not always true. Some people
I talked to you, I worked with other investigators and we're not happy with
them, and you know, we're looking for someone who was more suitable,
I guess. And yeah, I mean, there's one case in the book
where a lady did report her case to move on, and it was investigated
by the field researcher as well as myself. Her case is getting actually a
lot of attention and might actually be featured on a future television program. So
that's still in the works, and I'm not verified. Yeah, Susan Ware
is her name. Her case is getting a lot of attention. You know,
she wanted her case told to the public and chose me Ry. And
what's kind of interesting about her a particular case. Oh, it's an extraordinary
case actually because it's a multiple witness case for one, and while it did
occur some years ago, she is a lifelong contactee, which is usually the
case, not always, but this is something that is rarely a one off.
But she had a very intense missing time encounter in nineteen seventy eight while
driving through the deserts in Utah late at night and ended up having missing time
with bow. Let's see. She say it's eight or nine hours, which
is pretty unusual. Normally would be one or two perhaps, but yeah,
very intense space. She just recently started really looking into. But Ryan,
there's a lot of futures to it. Did she have a regression to try
and access the memories of that time? She did. Yeah, And I
will say that most of the people are in my books don't use hypnosis.
I think it works as long as it's in the right hand. Because there
is a lot of evidence shown that this can't produce a not completely accurate recall.
There's effects that shows it can be absolutely accurate, a very valid tool,
or it kind of shied away from it because of that. So I
can definitely tell anyone who says, no, you can explain all these cases
by hipgnosis, I'm like, well, hold on a second, No,
you can't. Eighty percent of the people I've talked to have never touched it,
but she did because she really really wanted to know. And that's when
I think, you know you have a clear cut case of missing time.
If it's causing you some issues in terms of dealing with this, I think
it's an excellent tool. And she ended up going that aggressive hypnosis with someone
who's quite experienced at it. Dead's shock t that's their name. She worked
with John Yost and his book Ring his award winning documentary Alien Abduction Answers.
So yeah, she went under knows this. While she did recall some of
it consciously, which is almost always the case, she did not says yes
on all this hat he experience have once she started to recall it. What
she does remember her and her friend Karen were driving along this fyway outside of
email Cnutah, and they were heading for Ghosts of Springs. They were going
to do an all night drive and at the point they realized, you know,
there was a beautiful clear night with the stars in the moon. They
realized that they could not see the moon. That really followed them really started
to concern them because I couldn't see the stars either. The sky was just
pitch blackness, zero sense. At this point, they're not really feeling here,
but they're like, really, one print, how could this possibly be
true? So they're hanging their heads out the window looking all around them and
no stars, no load, nothing. Then Karen, who is driving,
slams on the brakes and standing in front of them something they can hardly believe.
It's a group of about twenty maybe thirty rabbits. They're not normal.
But one thing. They're all situated along the highway for about one hundred yards,
spaced out kind of like centuries each, you know, ten feet between
each one. It's weirdly random but uniform sort of pattern. And every single
one of them was about four feet tall, kind of muscular looking, and
had their backs to them. So this could not be normal. I mean,
this was just outrageous. Y'd been talking about rabbits earlier, but perhaps
that is significant, I don't know. But they got out of the car,
the radio's planing, the lights are on, the engine's running, but
the two of them get out of the car, walk to the front and
are looking at them, trying to figure out what is going on. The
closest to one was, you know, maybe ten feet twenty feet away from
them, at which point they turned around in unison, and of course they
weren't rabbits. They were grays, and the ears disappeared. All of that.
That was what we would call a screen memory, you know. At
that point, several things happened. At once, the car lights went out,
the radio went off, the engine dyed, A giant bright light shone
down on them from above. Looking up, they could see something very large,
and Susan started screaming. And that point the next thing they know,
they're waking up in a rundown diner and progos to Springs, Colorado, which
is three hundred four hundred miles away. It did not show on their pedometer
or their all lit gas tank was still where it had been in the odometer.
H didn't show that these miles had been driven. That was something we
noticed a little bit later. They were pretty much dazed and she had a
very severe sunburn over her most of her body, both of them did,
to the point where it blistered. So there was medical evidence that something happened,
physiological evidence that was the missing time, right, and what did it?
Then follow a typical gray abduction scenario where they medically looked at like the
behind on ell or was there something else happening as well? Now it was
parly typical, and there's always little bits of new elements because what she recalled
she did have some memory of flying down to the car consciously, and she
kept wondering about that. Back then, there was a whole lot of information
on this subject. But years later, which is fairly recently actually, she
went under hypnosis and recalled that she and her friend Karen were taken up into
this craft with the car apparently, and she didn't see what happened to her
friend, but she was taken into a room where there was a gray being
a little gray, and she had no fear. At this point, he's
seeming very friendly, and she actually asked him can I touch you? What?
Can I reach out and touch you? And he said yes, And
she ran her fingerstyle its arm so very much like dolphin skin, which I
thought was interesting because I've heard that before. She didn't have a different texture,
kind of like almost diropholte like. She was trying to find words to
describe it, which's always funny to me because that is another thing I look
for. Sheep are trying really hard to find the words to describe something that's
absolutely out of the reletive experience. But she touches the gray and says you,
and the gray said no, not you. I am you and you
are me. That other saying that I thought was significant because that is a
very common message contact. He's get there. They're told we all share a
common heritage. At that point, she was physically exampled. Was thankful or
scary to her and then she does remember being shown images, and this to
me is the most important takeaway from her experience. She thought images of war
tanks and bombs exploding, and the soldiers shooting each other and all the sort
of things smoke. And they told her that humanity is on the wrong path,
that you need to tell people to love each other, that love is
the answer, and that violence will lead to the distinction and the human race.
It's basically what they told her, not in so many words, but
in a collected teleopathic her experience in a nutshell, which totally made sense to
her because as a little child, she does remember seeing these grays looking in
her window. She would find herself outside at night. I'll realizing how she
got there, locked out of the house. And you know that was all
in each five. That was when she started having these dreams about wars and
tanks in her street. She lived in a tiny, little rural town in
North Carolina, So for her to be how having these dreams was absolutely out
of character, coming out of nowhere. She hadn't been exposed to anything like
that, but it absolutely echoed what she'd been called a trader in this on
board experience, missing time, so that is a message that they often give
card tactics. So I think that is probably why she was taken on board,
because of trying real hard to wake us up to the fact that we
are on the wrap path now, ben that that message of the battle's war
and things like that being implanted in to abduct his mind. We've seen that
before, haven't we, with the South African case of the ship landing with
these school children encounters. Yeah, it's actually quite a what pressures are striking,
But this particular case is actually it contains a lot of tropes you see
in many many abductions illnesses had a lot of typical qualities. And yeah,
the the communication between the eats and the humans via telepathy. They don't often
speak. Some species do, but generally they the more humanoid ones are more
like to speak. However, very often that even with the very humanoid ones
that there as a kind of telepathic communication in the mouth doesn't move, the
vocal tract doesn't actually move, and all you get is like voices in your
head. That's how people describe it. That's very common. The screen memory
as well. There's actually a guy who's a researcher and experience are called pul
Sinclair. He also saw some rabbits, which they behave very oddly because you're
just walking along a little pathway and he saw some rabbits, but they weren't
behaving like normal rabbits. They were just standing there looking at him. They're
also a lot bigger than most rabbits. They thought they might be a hares
at first, but it turns out they were rabbits. But then later on
in that same day he had an experience. He believes it was screen memory
and the common heritage thing. I mean this is there's many ideas that we
may in some way be connected to them genetically, spiritually, mentally, in
some way or another. I mean, this is very often they don't go
into great detail, these beings, and they're not always honest either. They
they they can they can deceive, and they can play tricks and they people
report are very many, many different kinds of experiences with these beings, and
it's it's straw. However, there's no doubt it's real. I mean,
it's the idea of this is some kind of sleep paralysis or illusion is nonsense.
I mean, androw Hodian's study on that is absolutely definitive. I think
that that it counts these the dream sleep paralysis thing. I mean people I
suffer from sleep paralysis. I get it about once a month. It doesn't
bother me much. Dreams, I mean everyone has dreams. You can't you
cann't sleep properly unless you have them. But there is a distinct difference firstly
in the quality of the experienced. Secondly evidence in terms of like the marks
on the body, the there is that whole deduction syndrome that comes with it.
Yeah, so, and it's so really, this is this is an
extraordinary, extraordinary situation. It's a extraordinary situation where humans are dealing with and
we it seems we've always had these kinds of experiences that no one can find
a beginning to it really when it first started. And but it's a shame
that what you said at the beginning, Preston that every the people you talk
to, one of the first things they say to is things like, I'm
not crazy, you know, I don't say drugs and things like that,
And I'm not into drugs, I'm not mentally ill. So why do they
Why is it necessary to persuade you so hard of that? Why is there
so they so urgently want to persuade you of that, and it's obviously it's
because it's a rhetorical question. We have a society where where such experiences are
denied. They're they're on the perif, they're outside the Overton window of what
we accept within normal society, which is a shame, because they are very
real. They're as real as any other experience we have, and not even
not everyone has them, obviously, but those who do have them, And
it's it seems that then our culture, it probably goes back to many generations
actually before the modern UFO phenomenon that having these experience, maybe to the times
of the early churches when people have witch burnings and things. But there's definitely
been a change in society where these kinds of experiences were denied, Whereas you
know, there are some cultures where in places like South America, for examplehere
people are a lot more open to these ideas. I know that this is
why possibly in South America we're going to talk about, well he's Mexican,
a's North America, but he does a lot of work with South America.
How you in Massan's you don't have the stigma in that continent like you do
elsewhere, and a lot of the digenous cultures throughout the world accepted this.
Frankly, I blame our governments for doing a very concerted campaign, very well
and spending an enormous amount of time, money, and energy to make this
subject now credible to ridicule witnesses, to define every UFO experience as either a
hux hollorcination or a misperception you the art Tack style. I blame them.
This should be accepted because it's widespread. A lot of people are having these
experiences, and they have done it deliberately, as in Presston. I mean,
I've been into this lot myself. I think the suppression and the marginalization
within culture is deliberate. It has a purpose. So yeah, what is
the purpose to hide the presence of aightenzts from us as Westerners? Is it
because the government sphere they haven't got control on the situation and they want to
be this hop dog type of thing to an extent, I think that's exactly
it. Honestly, I think it's a threat to their power, their control
over society. The bottom line is greed, power and money. I really
think that's the driving force behind the UFO cover up because we do have these
craft, you know, I'm sure you've heard of Roswell, the crash in
nineteen forty seven in New Mexico. It's not unique. There are many other
cases of this. It's pretty clear judging from the many, many whistleblower accounts
and more coming out daily, we do have these craft, this technology,
the bodies, and that would be a game changer for sure. I mean
there's absolute conclusive evidence. And if there's technology that would basically make fossil fuels
redundant or useless, well we've got basically an oil based economy. The oil
industry is making billions of dollars and profits. They're not going to let that
go easily, the energy, you know industry in general. So I think
there's a lot of reasons behind the cover up, but ultimately I think it's
are so if it has been covered up now Obviously in more recent years,
we've had this kind of drip effect of things come into light through official channels.
I mean earlier this year in February, I think Ben you covered it
with the balloons going across Alaska and other i know, identified objects specially being
shot down, and then and then literally was it July or August. We
had David Grush coming forward June. Yeah, it started in June. Yeah.
Yeah. It's been a strange year. It's been a very odd year.
And I do think that there are now people in who seem to be
in positions of authority. There at least there's a fashion of people in position
of authority who do want to end this truth embargo, and they're trying to
find a way of doing it. But at the same time they believe,
for whatever reason that they have in a sense, in order to undo the
cultural tidal set that we've been talking about here, you have to make you
have to do it slowly and carefully and in stages. So there's something theatrical
going on. I believe this is why seem to have like a parade of
different events happening, and when they happen, it seems they go away.
Then something else comes along, things like that. The so called balloon thing
in February was remarkable because there's a part with one exception, that is the
large Chinese balloon that actually flew right over Connell, North America and was shot
down over the sea. With that was the first one, but then there
were three others that followed, and there's absolutely no evidence to suggest those things
were balloons. They were never described as the only one was actually described as
a balloon by one person that was the Canadian General. Apart from that they
were the word balloon was never used. They were called objects, which is
extremely unusual. I cannot want to fit some kind of psychological test to see
how people would react. Yeah, yeah, what did you make of that,
Preston, When you is getting reports coming through these strange objects you know,
often referred to as balloons as like the operative word to use at the
time, But I mean, what was your thoughts on that? Yeah,
Well, I also don't think they're genuine UFOs because we've not been able to
shoot down any UFOs as far as I can tell. They basically our distanced
their fast dismissiles. They know one were out there, can fly circles around
anything we've got. Their technology is that advanced, and it's stunk of propaganda.
I mean, it really did. I thought it was very interesting that
they were calling them UFOs in that UAPs, which they've been trying to push
that term for a while. Yeah, and yeah, I mean it was
all just you know, like you said Ben. It almost a parade,
he said. He said it was odd for sure, and really felt like
it was more of a propaganda than the actual series of events. I suspect
that they were drones for other countries. I don't know. I've really dug
deep into that. But it came into the media, was headlines and disappeared.
Always makes me suspicious. It was very unusual. M David add flight
logs, presumably the aircraft that went to intercept them. And I suppose you
could do a free tom the information request to try and find out further information
if any researchers have done that, which is what they did. Yeah,
what did he come up with? Did he find anything substantial? You know
what? I'm not sure. I mean, if I'm checked, he produces
so much material I haven't checked yet. I'll to keep up with him.
Yeah, big, Yeah. The truth. My governments, honestly, they've
been lying from the beginning. They're still lying. I don't trust them.
I think if we might to get the truth about this phenomena, we go
and go to the people who are having experiences, which is where Yeah,
it's a trade with my search this This is a point I had mentioned.
I think in one of the comments to one of your videos. Actually,
you know, because like NASA have announced they've now been pulled in to give
their take on the whole UAP straight UFO phenomena, and NASA suddenly, after
like sixty plus years of being around, are now going to do a bit
of investigation. I mean the fact that they've been sending uh, you know,
flights to Mars of robot craft and things landing on Mars saying we're going
to look for signs of life and we've got these little test kits on there
and they're going to probe the soil. They're suddenly now going to, oh,
we better better look into this UFO stuff. The fact it has been
you know, we've been buzzed by these UFO for the past seventy five years
and beyond presumably, and that's the sudden thing. Maybe we should actually look
with our telescopes and see what's out there. And really, like I think
I mentioned one of Preston's videos, it's incredible they're spending most millions of dollars
do this kind of thing, but they're not actually interviewing witnesses on the ground,
which is Joe Sop isn't it that the actual public that are having these
experiences. And it's interesting to note that during those Senate hearings they had three
people that are interviews, are witnesses, and they were military whistleblowers, if
you like, they haven't got to the stage where they're going to put Joe
so out on public to get their testimony, because I think really their testimony
would be the most telling. You know, seeing craft through a gun scope,
you know, going to speed is one thing. But when you've got
a witness that says, well, actually I was taking a board and they
did this to me, and they did this and they also showed me seeing
as a war and things like that in an official capacity would be quite a
serious concern for the public. I think if it's suddenly acknowledged in a public
hearing, wouldn't you say, Preston, Yeah, yeah, I think massive
being entirely disingenuous when they say we don't know what this is, I think
they now and yeah, I absolutely agree. It's a glaring Oh I know
what the war would be a hold in their story in the fact that they're
not even looking at anyone who claims contact. And there's a lot of people.
I mean, if they could have interviewed Charlie Hickson and Calvin Parker,
Travis Walton or Whitley Strieber, the long, long, long list of people
claiming direct contact. And if you don't want to go there help taking a
look at the landing trace cases. Boy, do we have a lot of
those thousands. You know, the Lanizama case in New Mexico, Socorro,
or the trends on Provence case in France, or the Delphos, Kansas landing
trace case. Those are just three good ones, but there's a lot of
them. The hard evidence. Let's take a look at the implant cases where
people claim to have objects in their bodies and some have been removed. Doctor
Roger Lear really spearheaded that research is now of course passed away, but that
is some absolutely undeniable evidence. I have cases myself. I think most researchers
too. So why do not look at that? I mean, it's absolutely
ridiculous that they're talking about sightings saying we don't know what they are. Yeah,
yeah, that's a crazy notion. Well, I find interesting as these
researches, well respected research. As you just mentioned him, the guy that
passed away that was doing the implant cases. And then there's the guy that
who's the psychologist or psychiatrist Mac they've got hit by the car in the UK.
They Yeah, I just find it kind of odd that these people that
are doing groundbreaking research, they really get into the bottom of things, you
know, with their research, and suddenly they just pass away or they have
an unfortunate accident, and it seems to be a little bit fishy to me.
Yeah, I mean I could add actually to that that we're pressed and
mentioned the you know, the interests from government, and we've I did sit
through the NATA press conference that it was absolutely as boring as anything is.
They just literally reinvented the wheel and they just peat stuff they said before.
But people who do have these encounters sometimes report they do get visits from guys
who or gals, you know, not just not that like the men in
black, the spooky kin, and sometimes they're just ordinary people who just want
to especially if they've had media attention, who want to know a bit more
about their experience, and they sometimes introduce themselves as reporters, but it turns
out later on they are actually connected to some kind of intelligence agency and they
asked them lots of probe in questions and things like that about what were they
like, you know, what were there was their craft, like what did
they say? Things like that, which shows that there is a kind of
in the secret world. The state actors are very aware of what's going on,
and they appear to take an interest in it, although of course there's
official ridicule and denial on top of that, of course, which is a
quote from a document written by the first head of the CIA, So so
yeah, it's so pretty Obviously there's probably a lot of classified material about contacts,
seas and abductees which we should come to light. I think, do
you think that's likely to come forward in any Senate hearing eventually? I mean,
maybe the first first thing out of the blocks that they're going to officially
do is talk about cases where they've been seen from ships or aircraft. And
I mean, David Grush was the one that was given the most telling information.
But it's interesting that they put forward a guy that has to admit that
he's never actually seen anything for himself in person. He can only relate it
second or third hand of what he believes to be the case. And I
think that's almost a very talent thing itself, because the people that really matter,
those ones that work behind closed doors researching the UFOs crashource is what we
want to call them. As soon as they step forward into the light,
their lives would never be the same again, and that that would really open
up a whole kind of worms if they stepped into the public, Like I
mean, the one that did was Bob Blazar, you know, and he
did it unofficially, but whether he's to be believed or not, but he's
certainly one that brought it out into the mainstream media at least. I mean,
it was like thirty plus years ago now and everyone kind of like forgot
and now kind of resurrected those sorts of animal was bubblers are right, because
now David Grush is kind of like verifying pretty much what Bubblaza was claiming.
Where do you think we could be going next with these sennet here and I
mean, we've got some more whistle blowers coming forward, Preston, Yeah,
well there's these latest three Grush pray wearing graves are the last, long,
long line of whistleblowers, and there's many behind the scenes just waiting who I
think are afraid of reprisals or damaging the reputation or what have you. I
don't expect we'll be seeing any interviews with contactes or direct witnesses. Just speculating.
I think what's probably going to come down the line is we're going to
see some more blurry photos, some more blurry videos, and we know they
have much better than what they're showing us if you just look through the literature.
Sure there's of course the UFO landing at Edward's Air Force Base, which
astronaut Gordon Cooper saw the film of show us that fil I don't think it
show us the gun camera footage. Loue Alizondo said that these seen footage that's
far clearer than what's been made public. So at some point I think we'll
probably see some of that. It may even show us a little bit of
metal and say, we don't know what this metal is. But are they
going to show us the craft? I don't think that's coming anytime soon.
I can't rule it out. I think the fact is truth is truth,
and you can't hide it forever. The analogy I would use is like a
dam that is breaking, that is just filled with this enormous amount of information
that there's so much pressure on it. It's leaking all over, it's spilling
over the top. To deny it would make you look not credible. And
I think that's one of the driving ports is behind the disclosure we're seeing,
is to maintain control of the narrative, because if you don't start saying something,
people are not gonna look to you for answers. They don't won't believe
you. And we're at that point the government is not considered credible on this
subject by any UF or researcher. So we'll be seeing more movement for sure.
But I think it's gonna be like you said, drip drip, drip
drip. I'm hoping that just collapses and spills all over everybody. All right,
here's truth face it. Yeah. Yeah, So it's interesting you mentioned
about the quality footage, because yeah, when you see this footage through gun
cameras and it's like really grainy, very blurry. Yeah, you can't make
out any detail whatsoever. Yet here we are home all with our four K
TVs, watching four K movies and things like that, and thinking, okay,
here I am watching Netflix in four K, very high quality detail there
on that footage, and you know, the gatherings of the world are surely
not just using webcams to view these flying sols as quick that they've got some
pretty high tech good stuff out there. Yeah, well, I'm going to
look at the satellites which can read a postage stamp or a newspaper that you're
holding. You're telling me they don't have great photographs of UFOs, and yet
we have. I mean, if you've ever seen a map of the number
of satellites surrounding our planet, it looks like, you know, flys on
a piece of meat. It's whack. They absolutely have the evidence and they're
not showing us they have much better footage. There's a zero doubt about that.
This is this is what I like about the Galileo project. This is
a because of course astronomy also has the ability to pick up a lot of
data from the sky and AVI lobe. The Harvard Harvard astronomer is actually running
this thing called the Galileo Project where he's trying to gather this evidence independently.
There's also uap X, an organization that's trying to gather independence on the ground
independently using various cameras including some that they've invented themselves to uh to get data
on surface of surface sightings for UAP or UFOs. I still like that are
still like that term in the areas for example, where the nimits exercise took
place where the where the tic TAC was seen. So they've they've actually achieved
some results and some quite something. So I mean we we we the people
have not helped us. We don't. We may not have the quite the
same kind of equipment the secret government has, but we still have a lot
of technology and we should make the most of that. Try and use that
hm hmm slotted with u AP ar attacks for because I've done a lot of
research into USOS the Santa Catalina San Pedro Channel where there's an enormous amount of
activity, and that's where they set up a bunch of their stuff. So
yeah, I think worth the verge now where I mean, I think there
is enough evidence in the public arena, honestly to convince any hard nosed skeptic
if they're willing to look at it objectively. In some great footage I appointed
to the cumberg as Turkey footage in two thousand and seven eight nine, which
no one has been able to debunk. Even the Turkish government declared it genuine.
It's amazing footage. Is this just just security guard, isn't it?
On the on the beach looking across the sea, you've actually see two aliens
in the ya. You actually see two little heads. Yeah, remarkable.
Mm. I did see a still of that are the aliens? And I
don't know whether in the still they suit up a bit in phurnoto shop to
take the more adiant looking as something. I wouldn't thought you could get that
clarification or clarity on the camera from that distance. I would have thought,
yes, you could probably see figures going through the windows or whatever they are
that you know, maybe they'd be blurry or or ill defined. But it's
almost like as if they've run the photograph or the still frame of it through
some sort of remedy type of program on a cell phone to clear it up,
and it's come out looking very Aidian. You know, they've got an
alien set button or something on the phone. But still remarkable footage anyway,
which is one thing you know, like the skeptics. It makes me laugh
because we both know a few skeptics and we've been Yeah, now one particular
gentleman I won't mention his name, who I've known since I was a kid.
Really, he will quote the idea of, well, how can they
get from there to here? You know? Then he'll talk about doctor Brian
Cox saying, you know, they're so far away, even coming at Speeder,
like it could take so many hundreds of years to reach, or some
things like that. Do we get any clues of where these beings, these
grays are coming from? And we talked about the Betting Barney Hill case earlier,
this particular, what's that planet seem to particular? Yeah, that's yeah,
there's the starmapp that some one of them showed better, you know,
Yeah, do we know where they're coming from? Preston, Does any of
the witnesses kind of get any clues from these beings that kidnap them? Oh?
Sure, And I'm not sure I would use that term kidnap because some
of the witnesses find that offensive. I will say that I did interview a
lady by the name of Dolly Saffron Or I ended up writing a full length
book about symmetry because her case is probably the most extensive of anyone I've interviewed,
and she was told flat out and taken there that the ets come from
the Orion system. The third star on the right, it's a little bit
below it. Yeah, they come from Orion. And I've heard that from
other contactees as well. So when I hear that from independent witnesses, I
think that lends a level of credibility to it. Sometimes people don't get that
kind of answer, that kind of clarity, but certainly O Ryan is one
place that is mentioned repeatedly, So I find that more and more compelling each
time I get new information on that. And it's interesting actually with a Ryan
because that comes up in the Graham Hancock book, Ben and does here a
cool finger prince of the gods, that's right, Yeah, felt of a
Ryan through the what was that that Chambridge tyranny? Yeah. He claims that
the that the architecture of the great Pyramids of Geezer is to match the belt
of Orion, and he says that there's these little shafts in the pyramids point
towards where these constellations are. Now, I must say when I when I
with aliens themselves, I mean aliens do mention constellations occasionally, but I do
sometimes find it a bit dubious and not necessarily that these experiences are false.
But the aliens are actually play a little trick, because, for example,
there's some that are described themselves as player dions and andromedons and things like this.
Now, a constellation is as a pattern of stars on which we see
on the celestial sphere, which is generated by the Earth's unique location within the
universe. And if you move the Earth through a different part of the universe,
you'd still see stars you've actually looked up. You might even see some
of the same same stars, but they would form a complete different pattern in
the sky. We'd have to invent new constellations. So I do find a
bit when aliens focus too much on constellations, I do wonder why they're doing
that, or whether it could be that someone is fantasizing, or it could
be that they're deceiving us, or it could be that the extraterrestrials themselves are
deceiving us. I often find that they would let to know. I guess
if these extraressals has come from the star just in o Ryon or something like
that. They'd have to know our kind of system of thought on astronomy and
how we yeah, I mean yeah, they when they contact people say they're
Spanish, well speak Spanish to a person, but let's telepathic or otherwise or
Danish or what have you. They do seem to know pretty much everything about
us, so that doesn't really bother me that they would label something using our
terms. M It's interesting though, having said that, I mean, I
do recall in the Betty and Barney Hill case is the under hypnosis Betty came
and Betty mentioned that the ets or whoever they were, grays or someone came
into where she is being examined and they were trying to pull her teeth out
because apparently it came to light that Barney had false teeth, and whilst he's
been examined, they managed to remove his teeth inadvertently or intentionally, and so
they came to check on Betty's teeth at the same time that Barney has been
examined to see if her teeth were coming out, and there's slight confusion on
the part of the aliens about why her teeth weren't coming out. So I
think it's a learning curve with these aliens. It sounds like a learning girl.
Certainly, they do seem to know a lot about us, but I
think there's always the odd curve ball that does confuse them. I mean,
I've heard of cases where you get these very humanloid looking aliens that seem to
interact with people, but they don't know how to use a pencil or something
like that. Have you heard of things like that? It's come up.
Yeah, absolutely, this is still relatively new phenomena in terms of us understanding
it. But let's face it, while this does go back hundreds, twelve
thousands of years, what's going on now is largely unprecedented, really beginning with
the modern age of UFOs nineteen forty seven, nineteen forty eight. Before then,
while there are counts of people perhaps being taken on board, not in
the numbers were seeing today, they're really ramped up huge in the fifties,
sixties, seventy and so on. Before then, we just don't have any
large numbers of historical accounts. What we do have shrouded through, of course,
the belief system of each culture, which really didn't include extraterrestrials. For
most centuries, these things were labeled as perhaps spiritual events or religious or astronomical
events, but never was the idea of extraterrestrials really cemented into culture until you
know the modern age of UFOs, and that's we started getting so many cases,
not just water too, I mean a hundred punumpians really beginning of the
nineteen fifties. And the grays have always come up to me anyway, at
least it has been the bad guys, but now me more pools they seem
to be very much more caring, whereas earlier pools I used to read that.
It's almost like as if they were emotionless kind of beings. I mean,
are we encountering different sorts of grays, maybe from different places. I
think that there probably is some variation going on there. Having interviewed hundreds of
one hundreds of people, I think we're getting a much clearer sort of picture
of what's going on here. They are all humanoids, all the different types
of eteens, whether it's pragmantis or basically human looking, or tall whites or
little blue beans or grays of all kinds, but short little grays apparently,
you know, the three foot tall ones, and what I can gather are
probably what we will call artificial intelligence biological androids who aren't particularly emotional and who
do the work and are often the ones who scoop people up out of their
bedrooms and carry them to the craft where they do meet grace, which are
much more emotional and per caring. And I do think there's been an overlay
of fear over how this whole phenomenon has been portrayed. So really the media
is very fear based and loves a lurid, scary story, and people who
are having trauma are perhaps more likely to seek help and publicize their experience,
where someone who's like I had a wonderful experience doesn't need help, so they're
not being underreported. I think now we're realizing the onboard experience is not nefarious.
People are being taken on board and physically examined and heal, and then
I have three hundred plus cases of that documented, and I wrote a book
on this too, actually a new edition, because this is not getting the
attention it deserves. I think this is one of the main motivations behind me.
On board experience is all about healing. I've got cases for pretty much
every major researcher, whether it's Bud Hopkins or John Mack or David Jacobs or
Philip Mantle, or Timothy Good or Barbara Lamby, Bob Smith, Tim Beckley,
Edith Fiori. I can go on and my jew this is a big
part of it. And if you look at the sequence of events that takes
place on board of craft. While it can be and often is scary for
people, especially in the beginning, I think at some point they come around
and realize, no, they're not trying to hurt me, they're not trying
to scare me. I really have zero accounts. So what I would call
the distic behavior where ets are intentionally trying to hurt or scare people or take
over our planet, I have no evidence of that. They will heal you,
take it onto the engine room, actually explain exactly how these craft are
powered all they run. They'll take you up to the control room. I
have many many cases of this. They will sit she down in the seat
and let you fly the craft. I know that must sound crazy to skeptics,
but Grant Cameron just put out a book called Skypilots where he all ones
some sixty cases. I'm like, yes, because I keep getting those.
That was true with Dolly Saffron. They taught her how to fly the craft.
They will give you all kinds of warnings, and this is pretty eaaly
I think interpreted its being good for us because they're warning us about how we're
treating each other. Our warlike ways are used to nuclear material in any capacity,
are just the destruction of the environment, pollution, chopping down a forest.
They're very, very concerned about how we're treating ourselves, each other and
our planet. How is that nefarious? Also one final thing is people come
away from their experiences with credible psychic abilities. It's elevating to some degree that
they start experiencing healing or astral travel or remote viewing our mediumship or physical levitation.
Honestly, got human levitation. I've got like twenty cases. I started
just recently looking into that because Jacques lallead cases, but appkins, it happened
to Whitley Strieber. Stephen Greer described levitating following his experience. So the point
is they are giving people this boost and their psychic abilities, and that is
again one of their goal, one of the reasons for contact, and they
will tell people this, you need to wake up. So this, I
think all speaks to why these guys are here, what their agenda is,
and refect that they're not here to take over the planet. Real quick,
I had a contact de on the East coast ask them that, flat out,
are you here to take over the planet. That's little Gray, who
had introduced himself to her as Sam, that's his name, said no,
we have zero interest in your planet. It's far too prouded. You guys
are very emotional. We're very hard to be around. Your planet is very
polluted. We have access to all the planets we need. We have no
interest in your planet. We are inched in your genetics. But that was
essentially what they told her. Interesting the full land. Yeah, so by
asked Preston, why do you think it is that the contact phenomena has increased
so much, as you said, from the nineteen fifties onwards. I think
that you know, and I'm certainly not the person to say this relatively to
the field. I got involved in the late nineteen eighties, well mid nineteen
eighties, But many researchers have remarked on the coincidence or the synchronicity that the
atomic age coincides exactly with the modern age of UFOs. And I think what
we're dealing with is that's the time when we finally reached the ability to completely
destroy ourselves and absolutely obliterate all life on this planet, and the ETS who
have been in the sidelines for millennia apparently finally said, you know what,
we're going to have to step in and we can take over. People have
to solve their own problems. But this is when they started pulling people on
board. And again their number one message is about nuclear proliferation. That's the
first thing they will warn people about. But all along all those lines,
I think we've reached a point now where if we don't change, we're looking
at an existential crisis. And they're they're doing their part and intervening to the
extent that they can and to avert change our About as we're as we're having
this discussion, is in the news, we uh, there's some people and
proposing that predicting there may be a confrontation soon between Israel and Iran who are
nuclear armed or Iran is developing a nuclear deterrent right now, which course could
be a really really horrible situation, not just for the people of those countries
but for the world at large. And this is generating the course making us
everyone I'm sure in those countries, but everywhere else people are feeling afraid right
now in your view, I mean someone who's spoken to lots of contacteas to
what extent would the Extra threscils insvene in order to alleviate this? Dane Jeron,
I dope we can count on them to avert a nuclear war. I
really don't. I'm not going to say that they want, because there is
some evidence that they have will look at the Monstrom incident on ten nineteen sixty
seven, where they basically came down and shut down the nuclear weapons, the
ICBM missiles. I think that's probably to the extent that they will intervene saying
listen, you are on their own tap. I don't know for sure.
Obviously that's very hard to determine. But they didn't stop Hiroshima Nagasaki? Did
they? And they had I don't know if that would have been any better
for us, because we wouldn't have learned our lesson. We need to learn
to clean up our own message. That's what they have told contactees. There
was a couple in Arizona when I interviewed who were invited on Bard. They
said it wasn't scary at all, and they were healed, and they said,
why are you doing this? Why don't you just calm down and help
everyone? And they said, we can't. It's up to you to solve
own problems. We're helping those who help others. He was a soul show
work or she was an herbal healer. They lived on Hawaii. We're doing
a lot of good work. I think that's the extent that they're willing to
intervene, but who knows. I think it should we face an absolute existential
crisis, there's a distinct possibility that they will scoop people off this planet because
a lot of conductees have gotten that message that have been several along with the
three, like Trinity, Oshmannagasaki. There's been several thousand UKA detonations in history
in terms of tests which have done terrible damage in places like Nevada, Australia,
the South Pacific and places like that where people have actually died as a
result of fallout from those tests, and there was reports of strange things being
seen around them, for example, that Marilingo and Australia were extraterrestial beings or
something that could be what looks like extra trescical beings was seen and other places,
so they seem to be monitoring the situation at the moment without actually taking
steps. With a few exceptions like Malstrom and there was that incident in Ukraine
as well, years ago as in the eighties that was, but that was
slightly different because they actually tried the first of all, they were going to
launch one deliberately and then they shut it down as far astray as this shows
that they can play with our toys a lot better than we can. Yeah,
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I'm ben Emlyn Jones and I'm with Neil Ward here on the Paranormal Peep Show
and our guest this evening is Preston Dennett, and we're going to continue with
our conversation with him this evening. So welcome back, Preston. Thank you,
Preston. Before we sent to the break there, we were talking about
the Aliens, the Ets or the Grays given people messages of war and destruction
and kind of basically try to implant these ideas on mankind that we're heading for
doomsday scenarios. Now I hear stories from other people like we're being visited by
I don't know, it's humanoids that they might call them. You mentioned them
earlier, Benner. The I know that we don't like using the name Nordics,
but it's a Nordics that Pleaadians. Is that what they're called? I
mean some people refer to Palladians. Yeah, well, there are people who
I know who who channel the Palladians or contact with what they call the Pleaadians,
and they do appear to be very humanoid. They're described as being tall,
fair haired, usually bright blonde, with the very intense dark blue eyes.
Usually the eyes are slightly larger than human eyes, and they appear to
be very friendly, very benevolent, wanted to help us, teach us.
The very intelligent creatures arrive with their arrive with a shampoo and say it by
this hand, this is yeah, that's they want to be very helpful.
Did you get any contacts with people pressed in from reporting Pleadian or Nordic kind
of contacts? And then do they share the same message that the grays share
or do they give some sort of different kind of picture of a scenario of
mankind. The messages that are always the same, whether it's grays, short
ones or tall ones or mid sized or bring man just or human looking or
what have you, The messages don't really vary. And yeah, I don't
like the term Nordic either, because having interviewed a lot of people, it's
not accurate. It's just not I would call them human looking or a gentleman.
I interviewed Stan Hughes from Idaho, who is a Native American who had
an encounter with a craft which landed in front of him on the road.
Now stepped a human looking figure, but according to Stan Hughes, he had
dark skin, looked very much Middle Eastern, dark haired, dark eyes,
darkish skin, but a very handsome man, he said, very strong,
six and a half feet, broad shoulders, wearing I believe if I got
this right, blue boots and a silver jumpsuit could be reversed, but at
any rate, not their skin and blue eyes as we sow up here.
I mean, really other jopsman who had an encounter in Leo Koreo Beach,
which is along the coastline of southern California, who saw humanoids as well,
and they were human looking, but each of them more about five and a
half feeton, he said, looked Meso American, Mexican or Peruvian, and
has often described there is multiple figures, many and women wearing kind of blue
jumpsuits or looked very much alike, to the point that they could have been
twins or brothers and sisters. That's very consistent. But the messages are,
yeah, pretty much the same, regardless of the being that we're dealing with.
I think that occurred to me the other day thinking about it. If
these beings are coming to Earth, from wherever they're coming from, and this
could be the Grays, the Pleiadians, or whoever, the Mantis people,
they presumably must be landing on other planets as well, presumably taking their people
on the other planet on board to do something with them. I guess did
they ever mention any kind of other planets that they're dealing with in any of
their contact tea cases? Yeah, it does turn up. And my book
Symmetry with Dolly Saffron, she describes exactly that, going to other planets where
ets did pick up other people and other what we would call, you know,
raise certainly, but blue skinned beings, human looking people that look very
much like Polynesians here on Earth. In fact, that's why the book was
called symmetry. According to her experiences, there's a symmetry to life throughout the
universe, and that the plants and the animals and certainly the people all do
genetics and share a common heritage. By is do see a lot of variation,
perhaps you know the little details, it's essentially the same, no matter
where to go. That does turn up in other contact the accounts, certainly
in the literature, and occasionally I get accounts like that it's not super often
people will describe going to other planets, but it does certainly happen. Yet
do they say do they say how they get here? I mean, I
mean, obviously we got the you know, Brian Cox says that you can't
get from there to here because they takes too long a time. Do the
Eats kind of explain how their warp drive for one of the bat word works
and how they overcome all those challenges. Absolutely, And there's two main ways
that they travel. There's interplanetary and when they're flying around our planet, they're
harnessing our gravitational field lines. And they find this over and over to people
that they're using some some people would describe it as an anti gravity, but
it's usually somewhere along the lines of electromagnetism and gravitational field lines. But as
far as interstellar distances, it's clear that they do have this ability because we're
getting so many cases of this, and well Dolly describes it in the book.
I keep bringing her up because she's kind of become my go to gal.
She's got a lot of evidence supporter case by the way, corroborating when
it's is medical evidence, photographic evidence, and more. I just want to
put that out there. But she describes how they open up what she calls
a light gate using very high amounts of electricity. They're able to essentially leave
our dimension and come back into the third dimension in any desired location. So
not so much a wormhole or you know, a portal that is traveling interdimensionally,
and that does turn up in other accounts. People have extensive contact.
Well you mentioned and yea, yeah, you mentioned UAPx and their and their
work and and the document you tear in the sky. It's worth watching that,
I'd say. And the title of the documentary is because they have seen
objects appearing out of what looks like some kind of strange object. It's an
object in the clouds which appeared where these things just suddenly appear as if it
is the end the entrance of some kind of tunnel, and which sounds very
much like what Pressner has just described. Another thing Preston said, I thought
was interesting the fact that you see life all over the universe and different planets
having a similarities to our own. And indeed, we've just been discussing how
these creatures often resemble ourselves physiologically, which could support it could have something to
do with the pan spermia theory, the idea that there is the building blocks
of life actually travel across space between planets. If they do, then this
possible they'd take genetic information and more genetic fields which cause them to produce a
parallel evolution type of process on different planets, which could explain why they we
meet beings from other worlds, they look somehow familiar to ourselves in some cases.
Yeah, kept me out of the UPO field. It's not too much
like Star Trek to me. I'm like, really really expected it teas to
be something completely different and we're just not seeing that. I think we really
have to look at the evidence that we've got, and because there's a lot
of shoe fitting and cherry picking in this field, people trying to push forth
their theory or their agenda and picking the evidence that supports it, and that's
not how science works. You have to take all of the evidence and see
what you can come up with in terms of consensus. And yeah, we're
absolutely seeing mostly humanoids, bi puel beings almost exclusively, I should say,
are cases of robotic beings, but even those are often described as yemanoid and
form which I find super interesting. There our case people have been taking on
board craft and seeing what would amount to eat animals or strange sheet vegetation,
you know, animal husbandry centers or arboretums. I know already six Killer Clark
and her really excellent series of three or four books, several cases like that.
I know John Mack has a couple of cases as well. So yeah,
I think what we're seeing is basically symmetry throughout the life and universe.
But we're still trapped here on Earth. We don't know. We are the
banquet neck of the woodspot that things. Now. It's interesting because Brian Cox
sort to go back to him, but he always asks us saying, why
all these et cases, you know, they describe everyone's meeting people with that
ahead two arms and two legs, and they He seems to be against the
idea that the biological event and our planets should be completely different if they've had
a completely different evolution from us. But the other side of the coin is
that we may be all come in from the same particular point or origin anyway,
So therefore we've kind of moved out to different planets and evolved to set
pretty species and we're cousins of these other creatures if you like, But would
that be fair to say? I mean, you can speculate all you want,
and that's why I don't think it's useful to listen to our government who
lies, or to pundits on television, scientists who have not read a UFO
book or done the research or even have an experience. And you can speculate
all you want about what you ta life might be like, or you could
go to the evidence and look at it. How many accounts do we need
that we don't have, or twenty or one hundred or a thousand. We
have close to a million documented cases, so I don't know how many we
need to first pass this barrier of skepticism. I don't quite understand the resistance
to the idea of extraterrestrial and visitation, because the evidence is certainly there,
and I think what we're seeing is undeniable. These are craft. They are
leaving burn traces on the ground, they do have windows, Eats are coming
out. People are not in their rooms or wherever they're supposed to be when
they're claiming to have been taken on board. People are What the skeptics do
is that they have an ideological They have an ideological commitment to what we talk
about not being true. For whatever emotional reason, they have a need for
it to live in a world where these things don't happen. And the Professor
Brian Cox, whom Neil mentioned, is a notorious gatekeeper. He is a
particle physicist who put in the media to present science programs on anything other than
his specialized field, which is already his specialized field is the only thing he
knows anything about. He's completely ignorant on everything else. And he's also got
a terrible ego problem and can be basically make to dafter any tune. So
this is why I think he's ideal for the job. So I think people
at that are part of the reason the cover up continues. Some of them
are just have this emotional this emotional desire to live in the world where these
things aren't true. Others I are useful idiots, and some are deliberately lying
to keep the truth from the public. I have goot it. I was
a skeptic. I understand it was a very difficult adjustment. I was not
happy finding out this was real because it completely collapsed my belief system. But
I thought I knew what I was taught, and it's a core belief.
I mean, this is something that goes right to the heart of how we
view ourselves in this universe, even as far as you know religion and politics.
It's a very sensitive issue for some people and they just don't want to
go there. I understand that. But do you want to live in truth
or do you want to live in denial? Skeptics I've talked to something,
they won't examine the evidence. They absolutely will look the other way and stick
their head in the sand. How is that scientific? It's not. So
you have a choice here. I think everyone has a choice to either look
to our governments for answers. Good luck with that, or look to yourselves,
you know, and look to the contact ees. Do your own research.
I you know, don't believe what I'm saying. Interview some people see
what actually happens. Reach out for yourself, have a sighting and you will
know. I know you thos are real. I've seen them. It wasn't
enough for me to know. Interview my brother who saw on, my sister
in law, my others, stern lawa several friends and people I work with
for years, like this is crazy. I want to see one these guys
have, so yeah, eventually I did. I know it real I think
people need to do their own research and come to their own conclusions, and
they'll see that there is truth to this phenomena. Do I recall correctly that
the ETS of a certain fraction are aware with you as an author? Is
that right? That is right? Yeah, I've kind of gotten hints of
that here and there. I remember I asked a lady to go on public
access television and she had an encounter shortly before she was due to go on.
The ETS told her, no, we're aware that you want to do
this. Thought, gosh, if they're aware of her, they must know
about me. Another time, I was interviewing a gentleman and he called me
up the next day and said his little son, who was like five years
old fore, came running in after he hung up the phone with me,
said daddy had a star landed in front of the house, and after talking
to his kid, realized it was a craft. So they were there while
we were on the phone together. I did have a lady who told me
she was referred to me by the ETIES, and I took that with a
grain of salt. Until Dolly said the same exact thing. She said that
they gave her my name and it's just not long after that, I got
a call from a guy in England. Well I didn't know and she didn't
know me, but called me up because he had had an encounter and the
etis were talking about were on the wrong path and we're heading for a disaster
and there was going to be great earth changes and they warned him about nuclear
proliferation all of the things we had been talking about, and I basically counseled
him, which is mostly what I do, honestly, And after we talked
for about an hour or two, she said, well, one more thing
I had main connor with Grace. It was this morning and they told me
to call you. They gave me your name, and when you said that,
that was enough for me to be like, Okay, here we go
again. I think they know about all of us during the Arth New Bench,
certainly they know about all of us. I wonder if they'd like to
appear as our next guest. I'd like to meet them. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, So you've seen UFOs as well, Ben, haven't you.
I'm the only one that hasn't seen it, and I feel left out.
Well, you never know deal, I mean you can, you can,
you know, you get each chance. I have several dozen times I've seen
things in the sky I can't explain in this three instances I think really defy
explanation. I would say, I've seen objects where if if they were every
day objects, they were in a position where I would have been able to
identify them, and I couldn't. But yeah, I mean they're more common
than people think. I mean they they if you go to skywatches, for
example, Neil, I mean, you'll get some success, without doubt,
eventually you'll get some success. Especially when this flat where flaps break out.
People go there and they see them all the time. This is one of
the reasons they have these cover ups and weather balloon stories and things like that.
It's because these things fill ask guys, they can't be suppressed. You
can't. You can't have a cover up in things like astronomy. It's the
one truly democratic science. All you can do is that when people see these
things and try and persuade them, they're not seeing what's actually there, and
they're seeing something else. And with most people, unfortunately, it is very
easy to persuade them, especially when they have jobs that depend on it.
For example, if you're a scientist, you have rent to pay like everyone
else. You don't have to risk your tenure. And as John Mac discover,
John Mack was persecuted in the world of his employment and his academic career
because he simply said what he thought was real and provided evidence. So yeah,
so that's that's how basically how secrets account People will tacently collaborate with any
cover up if if there's enough pressure put them on, put on in that
way. Now, interestingly, going back to Mac, he was featured in
the Netflix series Encounters, which I know Ben, you've watched one of the
episodes or maybe two of them. I've watched the first one and it covered
the Welsh triangle that we've discussed before. They've also discussed, i think in
the second episode, the Zimbabwe case, where John Mack went over and interviewed
the kids. That's interesting that these UFOs in both cases or flying sources or
craft what everyone will call him a landing in the facility of schools. It's
also happened in Australia as well, or ninety sixty six, So yeah,
yeah, so do you think, do you think, Preston, there's a
I mean, it sounds like there's a purpose and intentional thing that to land
in front of a load of school kids, has witnesses, you know,
an impressionable aish to pass on this doomsday message, to try and get a
message across to then because maybe they're not kind of the mustard with the adults
or something. I mean, what's your take on the ets appearing to loads
of kids at schools? So you brought that up because I ended up writing
a book on schoolyard cases exclusively because I heard about Rui Zimbabwe. Of course,
that's world famous. And I immediately thought of Westall High School in nineteen
sixty six, and I thought, wasn't there another in nineteen sixty seven?
There was a Crestview Elementary School? Of course broad Haven in Wales nineteen seventy
seven, I think it was. I started looking deeper into that. There
was, of course, the Hillsdale College incident in nineteen sixty six, which
was two weeks before the west Hall High School piece. That was in Florida,
wasn't it? Was it Florida? The opal look of Florida Crestview Elementary?
Yeah, yeah, just one year to the day after Westall to the
exact day well I started, you know, as I'm digging up these cases,
there was this incredible timing aspect. It became clear to me that the
EATS were doing a publicity campaign, much like an author or a musician going
from city to city or well, school of school and yeah, one hundred
cases, half at elementary school, half of them, which is significant,
almost all day like encounters, very low level, long lasting and in fact,
and one third of them and this really blew my mind. It actually
landed or ets came out, which is relatively rare given the huge number of
sightings to have a landing, particularly during the day. So it became absolutely
clear to me, certainly that this is a publicity campaign on the part of
the ETS to in effect announce their presence in a very clever and effective way.
Because children don't look through things in a way that is all through the
lens of fear perhaps or interpreting it one way or another. A lot of
them have never heard of UFOs at all, so it's really astonishing to hear
their accounts and see their drawings of these craft and teas. So many cases
and I'm going to have to put out a second edition because it's just about
double since I put that book out, it's absolutely something they're doing. And
if I may, right along those lines, I followed it up with a
book about this is funny to meet driving in theaters because I had two or
three cases of my own and then got three in a row. When I
was writing UFOs over Colorado. I wonder if this is the thing. Of
course it is. They do the same darn thing, hoordoring over driving theaters,
right over the screen, long lasting, putting out a display, flashing
their lights, darting around, releasing smaller craft through a very large audience of
you know, two hundred to four hundred people on the average. That's interesting
because there's actually a there's a film called Explorers, which is a great film
actually from the eighties and where that actually happens. But do you have any
do you know why they would do this, I mean, Ley's driving cinemas
or something we I think are unique to the United States. We certainly don't
have them in my country. Where you actually is rather than going into a
room and sitting in a chair, you just park your car in front of
the cinema screen. Why is there a reason why you think they go to
places like that. I certainly thought about it. I think it is a
publicity stunt that they're basically announcing their presence. But why why would they do
that? UFO researchers have long been aware that UFOs do put on what they
call a display where they're intentionally wanting to be seen, and we see this
with certain air flap areas or waves of sightings. Sometimes they're very brazen.
So why are they doing that? I can only speculate, but I suspect
it's two because our governments won't. They have shown themselves to our governments,
and our governments refuse to be truth or transparent or forthcoming and admit to the
extratrustrial presence in an open and honest way. And I think ultimately what we're
looking at is a very distinct possibility of open official contact. So I think
ultimately that's what we're looking for, or what we're heading towards. I should
say to me, as far as disclosure, that would be the endgame as
well. Show us the bodies, show us the craft, because I think
at some point, once we can fully accept the fact that we are being
visited. We aren't alone, we will have open official contact. And then
just cannot see this going in any other direction. It's not going to go
backwards. The cuts out of the bag, the toothpaste is out of the
tube, can't put it back in. And you wrote a book. You
wrote a book about disclosure, didn't you? And you have a Roswell Rising
novels. Yes, I did Roswell Disclosure and Roswell Rising a novel of Disclosure,
and there are two sequels, so it's like the Roswell Trilogy. But
this is something I'm very, very interested in and the purpose of writing these
books, which are fictional, they're just it's an imaginary story, but it's
about to kind of like it's one of these what if scenarios. What if
we did get the truth of civil lies and watch what the world would be
like. And so that led to a scenario which I adapted into a story.
So yeah, I mean, I'm like your self pressed and I write
books. So though even though mine a fictional, they're allegorical. They're about
real things that go on in the world today. So how did you view
disclosure through your book? Then? I mean, would it be a perfect
world or what No, definitely not. In fact, it's not a one
way street, and it's it's the path to disclosure is twisted with many backtracks
in the story. And indeed, I think that is actually quite a realistic
scenario. I believe the truth the situation we're in now in terms of our
our collective psychology, our cultural mindset. To undo that, to unlearn that
and replace it with something else, I think is necessary in the long run.
I think it's a good thing, and it's it's actually essential if we're
going to continue to exist as a species on it and continue to have a
planet that's viral of a life. Yet it's going to be, I think,
a very difficult process for many people, especially those who've never really thought
about it before. It's going to be a shock. It's going to make
people reassess more than just the existence of life in the universe. Is going
to make all of us assess our place in it and how we relate to
ourselves on this planet. I think it's and there's going to be there's going
to be some resistance as the forces of reaction will emerge, and there'll be
there will be attempts, some think to undo it once it started. I
think we're already seeing that now. At any at any stage in this disclosure
process, there are going to be people who want to try and roll it
back, and they could even go to the extent of saying something like,
oh, yes, all right, aliens exist, but they're really horrible and
they want to kill us. All you've seen it dependents. Yeah, it's
like that, and so we need you to sort of just trust us for
a little bit longer and do what we tell you so we can protect you
from the aliens. I mean Independence Day. The movie Rolling Emmericks nineteen ninety
six film. It's an appalling movie. It's really bad, but it's worth
watching for an educational perspective, I think, because it seems to be it
seems to be an example of a very very simplistic, monolithic expression of that
that sort of xenophobic dread. It makes zero of sense because how long have
you teeth been around? Forever? Really? Q you see, they're already
they've been people say, when they come in, they're already here. They're
here now. Of course, there was a case in North Carolina where a
guy had facety faith contact and he said, why don't you just show yourselves,
miss that we have over and over again. So the normal argument from
the skeptics, why don't they land on the White House lawn? I mean,
presumably aliens must have been asked that as any income back and said,
oh, well, we can't get the land in permission or what's the general
white kind of reply that you'd give to those skeptics to say, come on,
they've got a land on the White astold to meet all this Bible They
did. They came awful close in nineteen fifty two. They sure gave it
a good college try the chamber exactly DC, you know, four hours for
actually two days in a row, and then did it again a couple of
years later. And what was our reaction? It was hostile. We chased
after them, We were trying to shoot them down. I would point to
the work of Frank Fashino Junior. His book Shoot Them Down, shows how
truly heinous our actions have been towards the Ets, who aren't shooting us down.
No they're not bombing people and killing millions. No, they're not doing
that. We have a tendency to impose our own cultural moras and values onto
other people. And I'm really it's us I'm worried about. It's our governments
that I'm worried about hurting us, not that he chees. They tried to
land them knock at ours line and we're not welcomed in any way. It
didn't matter. It's very much like the uh they have been seen in the
Day of the Earth Stood Still, where Michael Rennie as the alien comes down
the ramp and he goes to get out some device or something, does a
gift and soldier shoots it in this first reaction, shoot him shooting, and
it's just such a sort of automatic reaction. We've got to shoot that what
we don't understand does seem crazy. Although Grush in his testimony, he was
asked something along those linelnes, had these aliens ever harmed any human and he
kind of indicated that, yes, they've murdered people, and also witnesses have
been murdered or something. Kabatic in during his testimony, does anyone recollect that
being said, yeah, yeah, yeah, I thought he was talking about
government murdering witnesses. That's how I kind of took on because I do think
that there's a danger of that, but I don't have any cases of ets
murdering people. I know there are cases of injuries people walked up too close
to a UFO and perhaps gotten radiation sickness or something along those lines. Yeah.
People, it's like, oh, there's human mutilations and they sent me.
You know, I looked into it. There's ten twenty cases which to
me look like what I would call my lads honest to God government doing.
Luckily, it's very rare. Luckily it's very rare. It's similar to the
cattle mutilation phenomena and things like that, which is a big subject time to
go into detail, but it seems to be similar and luckily it's very uncommon.
Do you think that's trying to bad mouthy eties by having these cattle mutilations
and it's really humans behind the word that under percent because that's what the you
know, I'm not specializing in that area, but that's what Gabe Valdez said
and he was really the go to guy for years. That's what Larry Fawcett
said when he looked into it. This is what a number of researchers have
said that at some point our government is going to have to answer it to
it because they're the ones behind it. That's what Fali Saffern was told by
the ETS, so they said, it's not us, it's your government who
is doing that. They are masscar Reidan, they are absolutely and I think
we see evidence of this, and there's certainly a lot of buzz in the
UFO community about a false flag putting forth a false et threat narrative. That's
actually a big concern of mine too, that it just should. I suppose
if they do go for this Independence Day like scenario, well they only need
to do at least something similar to what was done in the film. That
is, there has to be some kind of attack which will be probably film
a craft and anti graphic craft and the speech secret space program which will look
like it's it's been done by an extra trestial just to frighten people enough and
to make them believe that these the nase Agians mean business. I mean this
a bit examples in the history, of course of that. I think we
do have enough reverse engineered craft that look like UFOs where they could do some
real damage, and certainly have already. We look at how the public views
of the UFO phenomena, even now with all these recent steps towards in big,
huge quotes disclosure. People still have a hard time with this subject.
If you come forward and say I've been in contact with the tease, I'll
give you this side. I know you. It's still a lot of ridicule
and disbelief surrounding this subject, which is unfortunate because, like I said,
so many people are having encounters. It's far far more common, I think
than the general public realizes. Getting back to the Mexico disclosure that they had,
where Agi was sad and he presented these small alleged alien mummy side bodies
to the press and the public and the whoever was there. What was your
initial thoughts when you first saw them. I mean a lot of people riddle
killed them, but I mean that was supposedly done tests on them. Now
that sort of kind of confirms their skeletal inside, et cetera, et cetera,
and there're so many thousands of years old. What's your thoughts from that
present? Well, I hate to be on the fence, but I am
because we've kind of gone through this sort of thing before. These mummies don't
look like any eches that people have described to me. And I think they
said something about them having eggs inside of them. I'm like, well,
that's that's bizarre to say the least. These are thousands of years old,
allegedly, so I'm not sure how much relevance they're going to have to current
events. It could be a game changer in terms of evidence. I'm waiting
to see if you know, the science rolls out on this and is verified
by people or more independent or you know, don't have a vested interest in
this, because I haven't seen that yet. There's been some pushback by one
of the people cited by Wassan who said that she was not involved in studying
this. So we'll see how it develops. I think it'd be very interesting
and yeah, real game changer if these do turn out to be something that's
completely unknown in terms of, you know, a humanoid. But it's really
hard to say. There's no evidence that there is. These guys were flying
craft around or ets. Even there could be another form of humanoid. We've
seen everything from you know, the little hobbed people that they discovered not too
long ago, to grow magnet and Neanderthal and so forth. So I am
very much on the fence about it. I'm skeptical by nature and finding out
you post were real in a weird way, made me more skeptical of everything.
So I want to see the proof. I want to see the science
on it. Really, that's where I'm at. I know that there's actually
a British researcher, Steve Mahra, he went to He went to Peru in
twenty eighteen or twenty seventeen and I was allowed to examine these bodies and gather
some diaser on them, and unfortunately, his conclusion was that they are actually
constructed from spare parts of humans and animals, particularly basically to they basically for
the black market of antiquities. So basically a lot of for Peruviant mummies and
income mummies and things like that aren't being sold from sometimes millions of pounds on
the black market. It's actually really really devastating because it's destroying the the heritage,
the historical the historical legacy of this this very very ancient country that has
this grand classical civilization. And so Steve believes those mummies are not what they
appear to be, and he's presented the evidence in Phenomena magazine, which is
which is a shame. I think if if that's the case, then you
know, him in a sense, has possibly derailed the entire the momentum has
built up by this excellent hearing. I mean, there's some really interesting speakers
beforehand, and the next day all anyone was saying in the newspapers was about
the mummies, these little or whatever they were, these strange little figurines that
like sculptures to me. Apparently the heads are made out of dog skulls or
lama skulls and things like that. It's it's it's disappointed, really disappointed and
upsetting. Interestingly, I've seen photographs of them, and then you see another
set of photographs and they look completely different from the other mummies. Like the
eyes are much bigger in some of these pictures, or the ice sockets,
and it's like that doesn't look at the other phone, And yeah, suppose
at least from the same set of mummies or something. You know, there's
never convincece. When I saw those, I thought they just made a female
or something, you know, crafted in a kid's kids art class or something.
They looked really ridiculous. You know, there was no formal I mean,
there was a shape to them, but they didn't look like they look
like sculptures. Are statues that one might do as an amateur kind of artist
thousands of years ago, when you're making a god statue or something, you
know, when you're drawing a god statue. They did not seem anatomically.
I know we're t all about aliens here, but even they just looked like
too measured and stiff and squared up and everything like that, as if they've
been measured against the ruler. And it just looked wrong to me. I
felt wrong, body. You know, it's encouraging that the governments are looking
into this. I think that's the best thing that's coming out of all these
congressional hearings. Like in the US, with that hearing with Grush, Graves
and Favor, it was really interesting to hear the senator saying, we believe
the UFOs are real. We think there is a cover up. The Pentagon
is pushing back, they're not cooperating with us. Some of us have seen
UFOs. When he said that, I'm like, wow, Okay. He
says, I'm not going to name names. I wish you would, you
know, because if you want to be other people to be forthcoming and truthful,
you may as well, you know, lay it out who was in
UFOs. What did you see? But it was real strong rhetoric, and
I think that was different. You know, that's unpressed. We haven't had
that before, and it's really interesting to see because I think this is the
best thing that's coming out of all of this, that this subject is giving
so legitimacy. A lot of people who would never have looked at this for
are now looking at it. I mean there's evidence, like I said,
that there's what eighty years of people studying this that there's not knowledge. They're
for us to get a real good handle on what's going on. So we'll
see, and of course you'll be an interviewed for things like the History Channel
now turn up on various shows like that, which is great stuff from your
perspective, But I think that's even greater stuff from our perspective to seeing someone
like yourself who talks about humanoid encounters and that appear on mainstream TV, where
you'll, presumably in the future, get an opportunity to talk more about those
particular interesting cases round just lights in the sky. You can go into great
detail about some of the strange, bizarre encounters that people have had that you've
interviewed. Can you give us maybe a really good case from your latest book
about the humanoid bizarre Encounters, of why you consider a really truly bizarre humanoid
encounter. Okay, Well, what's really interesting is, you know, I
did put the subtitle high Strangeness because I think that gets edited out of a
lot of cases, which is such a shame because there are people experiencing this
and they have no recourse. One case that comes to mind involves two brothers.
I like it. It's a multiple witness case who had repeated visitations by
little blue beings, which I don't hear a lot about. You know,
we'll get the grays, get a lot of attention, human lookings and even
praying mantis, but occasionally I hear about these little blue beings. And in
fact, this gentleman, Ron Johnson is his real name, from East Carlo,
Texas and his brother were visited repeatedly by these little blue beings and he
reached out to me because my sister in law, who is an artist and
worked very closely with me and experiencers to accurately portray what people are seeing,
drew an illustration of these little blue beings, and when Ron Johnson saw it,
he you know on my YouTube channel. He contacted me because he says,
this is exactly what I saw. And they're very short, three feet
tall, wearing these kind of robes with a hood, flat faces, kind
of thick wenkly bluish skin, little eyes, carrying a little wand I said,
that's exactly how I saw them. And in many cases the events that
he describes are fairly typical, but there's always high strangeness. I think what's
really interesting in his case is that she and his brother would wake up in
the morning, were left up in their bed sheets like a burrito or a
tutsi roll, very tightly, with their arms bound behind and to their sides,
to the part where they couldn't escape, and had to call for their
parents. And their parents came in and said, how did you do this?
They said, we didn't do this. This is the little blue man.
They came last night. Their parents were very religious, did not believe
them. But that happened many times. And I had to laugh because I've
heard this from other people. Had another Winness described the same exact thing.
Another lady said she woke up to her quilt rolled up into a like a
tutsi roll and tucked over her neck and tucked under the mattress, so she
had a real hard time, you know, pulling herself out of bed.
And it's funny. And when one of the witnesses I sent him a copy
of the book, read that chapter and he says, I'm so sorry I
didn't tell you this, but that exact thing that you that these boys described
happened to me. This is something they do, I think intentionally I'm speculating
here, but I'm guessing it's sort of a calling card, a way of
letting people know that they were visited on that night. I don't know.
It's very bizarre, very high strangeness, so interesting. They come as three
as these beings. I see a lot of accounts where these beings will have
come in threes for some weird reason. Yeah, that does turn up,
I think, but we see that here on Earth. When someone goes on
a mission or in the military, certainly you've got your three people in case
one gets hurt, one can stay with the hurt person and the other can
go get help. I think it's just an optimal sort of number for an
operation. You don't want too many that would attract notice. And it's harder
to control. But I don't know, we do see that. I don't
think there's any weird symbology to it. Yeah, people, I was looking
at a YouTube channel the other day about people's afterlife experiences where they temporarily die
and go to the other side, and this guy said that he was approached,
and as you were describing these three small beings, it almost sounded like
that there was three small beings that they were laughing within, not being like
tormenting devils. They were very good humored, and eventually this kind of main
being that was in charge of them sort of stepped in and started saying,
Wow, what have you done with your life? Etcetera, etcetera. Is
now time to go back. But it's interesting these small beings were there initially
to sort of bring him through to the afterlife. It's just very bizarre,
and I thought, well, that sounds almost like an abduction scenario rather than
an out of body after life experience. It's just so strange, right.
I think we're going to have to draw us to a close it as I
think. Before we go, though, Preston, we'd like to find out
more about your books and where can people get old of you? And find
out about your website and everything. Thanks Neil. I appreciate that my books
are available on an Amazon or Burns and Noble other online retailers at bookstores.
I do have a website on a YouTube channel. I'm all over social media.
If you just punch in my name Preston Dennett, it should take you
there. Always love hearing from people. You can contact me through my website
if you have a story or a question or comment. It's an important subject.
I think it has the potential to change the world or the better.
And yeah, I really appreciate you giving me the opportunity to talk about this
stuff because I think it's real. I really do. Right. Thank you
for joining us. We really appreciate your time. And so the new BOOKI
is you got a new book in the pipeline. Oh? Always, I've
usually got three or four books in the pipeline. I'm just about finished with
volume five of my Not from Here series, all about the sort of more
bizarre and outline type of faces, weird patterns, and you upo research working
on another book about my heart about experiences huge on that prob We're going to
put out a signal persymmetry because we really only skim the service of Dollis Saffron
and her experiences. So yeah, I've got a lot of stuff in the
works now from here in Mine five is probably going to be the next one
out obviously leader of this year. Excellent, brilliant. Well wish you well
with that, and thank you very much once again Preston Dennett for joining myself
and Ben. Thank you to Ben Emlin Jones for co hosting on this evening.
Thank you Ben, so Ben again for people that are interested in your
own writings, your You've have your own radio channel and also your own YouTube
channel, don't you. I do, like like Preston, I'm all over
social media. You can find me simply by putting it in my name or
hospital Porters against the New World Order and or just write HP A n WOW
as pronounced of Panwo and that's my that's basically my main website in the final
way other things, thanks for much to Presston. It's been a really interesting
discussions. Cool. We are have to grab Preston maybe for your own radio
show sometime, but you've really very welcome Preston to be on the Panol Radio.
Yeah. Cool, well you two should exchange details. I don't you
know each other's email? So yeah, maybe collaborate a bit further down the
road, glad too. Yeah, all right, thank you very much indeed
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