Hello, everybody, Welcome to the Dying Order Q and a roundtable session with
all of your favorite players. Player characters and pumpkin berries available here on table
story. This is a wrap up, end of season wrap up thing.
If you haven't finished watching Dying Order yet, then maybe go back and do
that first. This isn't an official episode or anything like that. It's a
Q and A session in which you can ask the cast or myself all sorts
of burning questions or you know, interesting what ifs, or you know whatever
you want as a last opportunity to do so before we all depart this mortal
coil. I mean, just this this show. There is a lot of
frame drops. No there's not okay, good, I thought the stream was
about to die. So there is a bunch of questions that you can ask.
If you're watching this live. There's a lot of odd watchers out there
that come in later on, but those of you that are in the chat,
you can ask questions by typing exclamation point Q not Q exclamation point like
it says in my stupid text things that I wrote, and then you can
write the question. It will be added to a bot and we will try
and get to them. All, there's a list. People have also been
submitting questions for like the last couple of months since there was the fake ending,
so we're going to try and get through a bunch of those as well.
And also the cast have burning questions that they want to ask, such
as how large is Bobo Bo's penist, which was my first question. I'm
kidding, he has to know what he's dealing with. No, not really.
So first of all, hello everyone, lovely players and cast members,
welcome back for the final time. We also have special guest is by Eric's
here because whoever it was that was playing Bo couldn't show up. I'm ensured
that that Disbee is able to field any questions in Bo's plays. We paid
KPP to come back. Before you guys start putting questions in, if we
could keep the first half questions focused towards the cast and dying order, oh
spec typically, and then any questions for Brad will happen after specifically on like
GMing and LaCrin will keep that for the second half. So please these questions
right now, and it is open. You can type exclamation point, Q
space and then your question, but keep these questions related to the cast.
If you can, because they're not going to be here for the whole roundtable.
Yeah, the first half of this will be cast and character based questions
because there's a lot of questions to do with lacrine and law based stuff and
you know, we believeabbly time things and all sorts of stuff like that that
people want my answers or weighing in on, because some of them I don't
even have answers for. But we're going to kind of do like a GM
centric at the end. And also with regards to spoilers, because some people
are watching the other two shows which are set in the cren Dust Fail and
Dark Fire, I'm going to try not to be too spoilery for those if
you're watching those currently or you haven't seen them and you intend to maybe go
and watch them one day. There is some stuff I used Dying order to
you know, tie up some loose ends from those campaigns or questions, and
there was also things that I seeded in those campaigns that I always intended to
answer with this one, so there might be references and things that I'm going
to do my best to try not to directly spoil during the first parts of
this, but also it's my last chance to really answer a lot of these
questions, so I'm slightly less bothered about spoilering those things now because it really
won't get another option to do it to answer some of them, so I'll
try not to spoiler them, but there will be like a I'm probably going
to spend a little bit right at the very end, the last section of
this will go into full spoiler mode, and I'll answer questions from Dust Veil
and Dark Fire as well, if you have any questions from those, because
i know some people still have questions from those two campaigns that I said I'm
not going to answer because I knew that I would run this that might answer
them and things like that. So we'll see how it goes. But if
you're watching some of those other shows that I've run, we'll see how it
goes. But I'll do my best not just you know, just outright spoiler
really important plot points and things. But you know, we'll see how it
goes. So you have been warned. All right, we're ready to jump
into it. You lot ready, Yes, yes, you're good. I
have the first question while people are submitting them, and I've also got this
big old list thank you, mister Piranha Plant for compiling them. Parana Plant
was the creator of Worst and Red Bloom, so apt that he would be
compiling all of these questions that have been coming in from Discord. The first
one that I thought it was a pretty decent one to start with for all
of the players is from Esquimo Bisil that says Peebe said that the Unicorn episode
was something special to her because it was something she always wanted to have happen
in a D and D game but never happened after a long time. What
other bucket list kind of experience would everyone like to role play out in a
tabletop RPG game? Anyone got any good answers for that? I just thought
it would be a nice one to open up with, you know, since
yea, no, that's a really good one necessarily directly related to this or
your characters and stuff, but it was something that I was curious about a
little bit as well. I want to go first and say that mine would
have been Unicorns too. All right, well, we'll have to go back
and do the episode again. Go back in time and space travel and vampires
and table story has allowed me to do. I'm good Vampires was on my
list as well. Fighting a Dragon is on my list, which is sort
of spoilerific because we did it in the trilogy, right, one of the
other games has a fight with a dragon in it, and god, what
are some of my other ones? Oh, I don't know, somebody else
go I actually I kind of got my wish. Bringing back Ellie was actually
a descendant of one of my other my first ever tabletop character, Darius,
who was also an assassin, and he was really ridiculous and strong, and
so I was happy to be able to do that. And then I rolled
really good stats. Yeah, so it made it like kind of true.
Yeah, yeah, so I got to do that. I guess the setting
I would look forward to is doing sort of a dark apocalyptic dandy Yeah.
Oh, oh, I do have an answer. I just want to be
a witch and ride on a broom, and I do know what's as close
to that as I think I've ever been able to do. Playing an old
woman has been on my bucket list, So I got to do that and
have the unicorn and a whole bunch and time travel obviously all that stuff in
one. So yeah, I had a lot of bucket lists through the Liquor
and trilogy. So very cool. You two mm hmm, so you got
a higher chan So yeah, that's what I'm very very lucky. Was in
like one and a half. I guess you sort of ye regular in this
one, but you were in one before. What about the rest of you?
Three? Anything I want? I mean, I know I ran it,
but I would love to do like an event Horizon or play in an
event Horizon kind of spaced horror. I would love to do a post apocalyptic
survival zombie one. I think that would be really cool. Me too,
kpp, me too, So that that's on my bucket list. I want
to fight some zombies and loot things and feel like a bad as. I
will say, if there is ever an apocalyptic future, I will fit.
I have bad vision, Like have you ever thought about like you can't get
new prescription classes, I'm gonna die. That's exactly why I got my eyes
lasered for the end of the world. I'm not a good candidate. I
went and checked out, and I was not a good candidate, so unscrewed.
So I'd like to play through that and make that work. Now,
there there is a there is a tabletop setting that I've been freaking out over
that is post apocalyptic but robots, like humanity is gone and it's just the
machines that are And I'm like, yeah, you like Terminator Asque. No,
it's more like, uh, it's sort of it is sort of Wally
Asque where the robots are left over and they don't really know. Yeah,
they don't really know where they came from or why they were made, but
no humans are left. So that's cool. Yeah, it's very very very
cool. Yeah, So that that's the top like the two that come to
mind for me. I would honestly want to do anything and everything in tabletop,
but yes, I will do that. So it's it's so hard for
me to pick future things that I've done a bunch of awesome ship like I've
killed giant alien bugs in space with mind powers, if some injun corns and
defeated dragons and like D and D and you know, I've don't kill sniper
shots and like all sorts of things. So like I don't like, I
don't know. I mean, I've got projects in my head and stuff I
knows constantly want to do, but you know, I guess those are kind
of bucket lists. To like finally get an idea out of my head and
then did the hands of some players, probably like running something again in the
future, maybe a bucket list. But but yeah, I think I just
said that he wants to play with me. So I think I'm retiring after
today. Just that's that's it. I just don't want to ever run into
Noddle. Oh wow, I'm done. I'm done, Thanks Noddle. What
about you? Des be anything? Well? I love role playing old ladies,
So playing an old man who was definitely on my bucket list. And
even though it was kind of a lie, having having a Mermaids was kind
of cool busting Mermaids at that. Yeah, there was the potential for you
to that actually happened for both. Yeah, there was a potential for you
to actually go and hang out with like Murph. When you chose the original
starting positions and you went to Dustfeld to do the thing, you could have
easily chosen one of the others and it was perfectly viol like underwater, and
I was kind of looking at the Kingdom Hearts level where you just kind of
become a folk, you know, and that's what would have happened. Cool
that happens after the show and that's where both going. Yeah, that where
he ends up. Okay, next question, I'm just going to move through.
It is people, if you have any burning ones, you can jump
in. PV is just more in charge of this than I am at this
point as the number one super fan umkin Berry. There's a question from Patrick
that says, how did the encounter with Chibber and the subsequent dream in the
Axis Monday affect your characters and your understanding of the characters. So this is
in reference to when you want to see Lord Chibber and he was kind of
encased in ice, and you thought that he was going to kill you,
and you were going to go in there and it was going to be maybe
an epic battle or whatever, but he was actually chained up and and he
was actually also willing to help you. Just to remind you, he asked
you a bunch of questions. I think Aura got what do we mean by
being? What is something you're certain you'll never experience? Sooner was asked,
what is the difference between living and existing? How are we conscious? Bo
was asked, if all of your memories were raised, what kind of person
would you be? Which is hysterical after watching God. Yeah, was also
asked why should you live? Ellie was asked, what do you want your
final words to be? And what do you take for granted? And you
were Yeah, I was really I was messing with philosophy, by the way,
a lot during this. I really wanted there to be a lot of
like subversions from the traditional D and D where you expect to fight a boss
and instead your hip, like a philosophical question and that kind of stuff.
I was really messing with that a lot. Axis Monday is a Latin term
for the axis of Earth between the celestial poles. But also I wanted you
I always knew that the final gate, so you was going to go around
and collect all the gates. You opened them all up, you found out
they were already open. The final gate was you. It was inside you
all along. You had to kind of figure out who you were or sent
it yourself or allow yourself to pass through it. So I've thought that having
those sort of questions would be interesting. And I'm also furious as to whether
after that moment, and it was after that point that you guys went and
found your boundary for the first time and started to do the more celestial things
you went through each of the doors. I was curious as to whether having
to face really like weirdly philosophical and open questions as these characters did change any
perspective you had, if you can remember that far back, I know I
would struggle with these questions if I was asked them, But I was concerned
a little bit about even asking them because it's kind of hardcore role play to
have to do, because it's hard not to immediately answer with your own philosophical
stuff, because it's so hard to answer such an open question. So that's
just to remind you a little bit, because I thought it might you probably
would benefit from it when Lord Chipper asked you all of these questions to help
you as a guide to access that gate and then pass through into what was
the beginning of the end really, So the question is a question, Yeah,
it was. How did it affect your characters, all the understanding of
your characters, if at all, if you can even remember, Oh yeah,
yeah, that's a good question. Does anybody have an immediate answer?
It's a lot, right, it's a lot. Yeah. It is hard
as well, because I can't remember exactly what you answered. I remember being
impressed by all of you. Everybody's answer as well, it's going to be
a lot, And I believe KPP went first and I warned you of one,
just to give you a chance to go. And I was trying to
warn you all, I think a little bit. And KPP got her question
before, like you gave the question and then you ended the episode like a
dick and then her answer. Yeah, the thing is you the questions were
numbered one to eight and and you got them at random. V got one
and four, Sooner got six and three, By got eight and five,
and Ellie got two and seven. They were random, any of them.
I thought, specifically, that's crazy because they ended up seeming like they were
specific to the character. Yeah, that happens a lot though, right,
I mean on a general level, though, if you want, if you
want to talk about just how your characters grow grew around that point in the
campaign and if you know any of that stands out when you were going to
speak pocket, oh, I was gonna say, I think because I got
the one that was like, what's one thing like I like regret or something
like that, and I think I answered about like that was when Ellie was
still dead, or didn't have a soul. And I think that that's what
I related it to, is like she took for granted her humanity swords.
Yeah, and I think that's why it came like full circle when she got
it back, she no longer took it for granted as much. Yeah,
so that's fair. I feel like at that point it was like a switch
in the campaign for me where I'm like, oh, we're adventurers trying to
save the world, and it turned into more of like an introspective who are
we, where are we going kind of thing, and so that I think
it still had that adventure aspect, but it turned it to, like you
said, more of a philosophical should we change the world? Is it my
place to do that? So I feel like it added a different layer to
or especially just kind of how she approached things from that moment forward. I
mean that was the intention. I really wanted you to go into the end
with no definitive answers. I didn't want it to be very clear good and
bad guy. You know, yeah, like there kind of is still,
but I wanted you to question stuff. It's easy to play a game where
you're just a paladin with a sword, and shield and there's just a murderer,
and you go and kill the murderer. You know, some tyrounical lord.
But I kind of wanted you to question a lot of things, which
you did a few times. You had to do it at the machine.
Is the B team you had to do? Yeah, the B team had
that, which is just such a cool mirroring that the B team And we
said this after we ended stream last week, But the B team doing their
philosophical argument before their big decision, and then a team doing it at the
very end, very very cool stances of that repeating itself. You also kind
of did it with Devaki himself and met him before you actually engaged him in
any sort of converse. That's true. Yea spoke a lot about like and
I remember you questioning me even offstream, pbe like about whether it's even a
good idea to remove although Deveaki was supposed to kind of represent like entrenched cyclical
power. Yeah, but to remove it could destabilize everything into a position that's
worse, you know, And just like not necessarily bringing Aura to the forefront,
but putting a crown and Aura and putting her on this was she just
ultimately become him? Was she just was he just at one point? There's
that idea as well, like Deeveki is this being that knows more than we
do, And there's this idea of knowledge through time, like just how much
information or how much wiser he might be because he has lived through however many
cycles. So if Ora takes over, my concern is that over time,
with her seeing what doesn't work or what does work over and over again,
that she would just eventually become the same thing, the same. Maybe that's
how he now the devil you know? Yeah, yeah, I had After
that, I will say that I I tried to go When I built Sooner,
I wanted her to be an old woman, wiser than me, more
at peace than I am, but built on some similar backgrounds so that I
could roleplay her easier. However I did. I did make some you know,
changes to her background so that I could be challenged in that way.
But after that episode, I went away thinking more about Daaveki than I did
about uh and even Chibba than I did I think Sooner, because I when
I built her, I thought about those philosophical things or how does she feel
about this? And like you know is she a pacifist? Like I thought
about all these kinds of questions, but when when it started getting philosophical in
the show, I definitely walked away going, okay, well, but who
is who is daya Eki? Who is you know? Where did he come
from? What if the end of the show is literally us approaching an old
man fishing, like, oh, hey, how many times do you tell
me that you would do? So that's what you were going to see.
I was convinced that that we were just going to approach a normal guy at
the end. Yeah, I mean I stidd having something like that the case
as well, but probably not after I even if you were considering it,
if I had said it, you wouldn't have done it, because I kind
of knew what I was doing for this entire campaign. But it's interesting that
you made that distinction, KPP, because that was really the point that I
really started to fuck with that idea that your combat from that point onwards was
a lot of it was more to do with combating yourself and your own ideas
and what you believe. Maybe because I knew that you were about to walk
through this door and you were about to combat this thing, this concept like
the concept of God was created by a God in order to control everyone in
a way, and he's not God. He's just a mortal like you are.
He's just the most powerful mortal. So he said, I'm God.
Now you know, there isn't really one in the way that we maybe consider
God, And it gets very weird and religious. And I've been looking at
religion and stuff for the last year freaking out. But I knew that I
wanted you to be questioning all of those things. So I really did start
to mess with it. And I'm by no means an ex spot on like
philosophy or religion or any of that stuff on any academic level, but I
like to question it, and I really wanted to mess with it in this
game. And just I knew that you guys were good enough role players to
take it on. But I also knew that even if you weren't, I
was going to launch it at you in this at some point. So I
was always a little concerned about whether it would be too much, because it's
not easy to role play this kind of because it's hard. You had to
argue nature versus nurture as your final thing in the thing, and it's just
like I don't know either. There is no answer really not. You have
to not only kind of consider it, figure it out maybe for yourself a
little, and then put it through the perspective of your character and how they
might feel. So it's not easy to role play. And I kind of
feel like I threw a lot of stuff like that, you guys. So
that's a good segue into another question that was like, what was your most
challenging but favorite moment of our peeing your character? Because my answer is that
scene right there, because Pebee would have done the opposite thing. I wouldn't
have been able to do it, but I would have been like, that
is the right decision to make if Ellie is willing to do it, do
it, because I'm not willing to take the risk. But Suna is not
like that at all. So it was it was so incredibly difficult for me.
It's probably the most difficult our P moment I've ever had to speak with
conviction about the opposite thing. Like I just it was very tough. My
mind was racing while I was trying to think of what Suna would genuinely say
and or believe. But I think the crazy moment is that that is soon
A's character, that is her very essence, is like, you know,
she has evil blood in her, but does that make her evil? Can
she still go against that destiny fate kind of thing? So yeah, I
just think, yeah, that was tough, But that leads into like the
whole philosophical like nature verse nurture, what's right wrong? That's actually how I
answered the what do you take for granted? Is? Yeah, love and
free will and not knowing right from wrong. Yeah, again, you had
to put it through the lens one time while you were kind of a soulless,
lifeless thing, and one time now as a as a I don't even
know if what the word is. I was gonna say redeemed, but you're
not redeemed, but you're a You're an you've gone through something this time,
yeah, as opposed to I feel like for the majority of your life Ellie,
up until we saw the one shot, Ellie was pretty normal I think,
and probably did have a lot of thoughts and feelings about things. And
then they fashioned her into a weapon, which is why I had the line
written out preprepared in my head that Zach would refer to you as a weapon.
A little more than that shop and told to use and then from that
point onwards, I think until maybe we see her in the campaign, or
maybe about halfway through the campaign, she really is just an arrow being pointed
in the direction, and everyone else is the hands that are pulling the string
and stuff. So you kind of went from that first version of Ellie which
was an arrow, to a dead lifeless version which isn't even colder steel,
but also as being faced with all of these very strange things. So I
feel like it was almost pragmatism Ellie, yes, and then another Ellie where
you now learn what is the value of stuff and you regain your life and
person, you know, all that stuff. It was really interesting to what
that wasn't because I think it was like this like sort of fall. I
think when she like when Ela, like when I chose to play her a
lot more dark and soulas that's when it seemed like she was separating from the
group the most, like because she just couldn't make those the decisions I guess
to be good because good didn't she didn't know it. If you go into
that thinking like you know, she was basically a serial murderer for hire and
then taking away her soul and her ability to even care about good. It
was I think one of I have two favorite moments, the end or that
was the challenging one. I guess not favorite, but challenging moment is playing
that when you don't want to play that, You're like, well, I
just want to get along with everyone. Yeah, that was very frustrating and
challenging because I didn't want to just break character to get along with people,
because I think that that would have been it wouldn't have been genuine. Yeah,
in the end where I almost had an anxiety attack, Yeah, it
was. I just want I said this on the call afterwards, but I
want to say it publicly that Pocket's dedication to Ellie in the end there made
that such a beautiful, fantastic role play moment. And I'm so grateful to
you Pocket for committing to that because I know that must have been rough,
but it was. It ended up being the perfect end to this trilogy,
and it would not have been that way had that not happened, in my
opinion. Yeah, I'm very afraid that you were going to fight me.
It's horribly difficult. I played a character this year in PB's show that was
antagonistic, not that he was the villain, but antagonism to the other characters,
and it's it's horrible. You just you feel like a dick, and
it's like it's hard not to bleed into your real life and you're like,
man, everyone hates me, you know. But then the show ends and
everyone's like you did so it was so good and you're like, but you
don't. Why don't you hate me that? Yeah, Like, no,
you're just playing your character, but you still it can be hard to do
that. So yeah, respect mad respect. Anyone else with any favorite moments.
I would like to know what everybody else's challenging moment was, Kepp,
did you have a yeah with with Aura just I mean, we all know
her sheet at the beginning was not giving roles. That was I envisioned her
being a badass. I completely flipped on its head. I was like,
Okay, she's not a badass. So I think for me, the hardest
thing was, like throughout the campaign was or finding her voice. And I
feel like throughout the campaign she slowly gained confidence and that was a lot harder
to role play than I expected it to be, just kind of like it
was a gradual incline in her becoming more confident and comfortable with her ability and
with herself. And I think that with you presenting the philosophical questions, that
kind of helped facilitate that. For me, that was kind of hard to
RPAE just to also feel like where she fit in in the group, and
that it started to solidify as we worked through it. So I feel like
that was the most challenging part for me. The whole thing. Yeah,
the whole campaign I've ever done. Like what I mean is like, okay,
I mean it is hard because if you watch KPP in you know,
a different role where she's playing a more assertive character, it does look like,
you know, KPP would be so nuanced in playing or that she would
hesitate or stumble over her words purposefully. And I don't know if people watching
the show for the first time, watching KPP for the first time roleplay know
that that's how crazy in depth to the role play she was being, because
you're not like that when you play other characters. So I noticed. I
thought it was very good. Yeah, I did do that a purpose,
like I never want to be like this thing that I did. Like,
yeah, Aura so different than a lot of characters I've played, and I've
really appreciated being able to do something different with her and watch her grow too.
So that's been cool. And on a side night, there's a question
right there in the chat, did or as bad roles build into Ora's character
at the Star? Yeah, And I honestly think it built kind of a
nice arc for her. I think that At first I was like, damn,
like what is wrong with the sheet? But then as we went through
it, it was I swear it was almost like the dice got We're like,
this is how it was meant to be. The Dice Rolls gave you
a character arn't just as much as anything else in the campaign. It was
crazy. I mean, well, future Aura at the end, like yeah,
just demolishing Bob, just what the heck? I couldn't have asked for
a better way for her art end. Instead of it being like sad the
entire way through, she had some redemption at the end. Yeah. Well,
the first thing you told me is you wanted to be a bad ass.
That was like the first yeah. Being that, I was like okay,
and then you were like I want a big sword, and I was
like, we'll facilitate this but we couldn't, you know, the first couple
of things that happened, like we're just a lot of the stuff that happened
at the beginning of the campaign that realistically, if we were writing this as
a TV show together, we would have had Aura, right, she would
have jumped in, she would have cut the legs off the spider. She
would have been like doing all these triple bank flips and you know, she
would have looked like Cloud Strife with his busted sword. But she kind of
died almost several times. Yeah, you were like doing all these things that
were just you know, un badass like. And but I found it so
interesting again, like the whole character arc thing, because eventually your roles were
coming around as well, and it was weird and it wasn't entirely based on
the fact that you know, as you level up in D and D you
get higher proficiencies and more chance to hit and things like that, but that,
yeah, your roles just stop being ones every week. True. I
think one of my favorite things though, just really quick, is that when
at the end we were all kind of our little group and like when Ellie
kind of was like, do we attack, and we all had that like
synergistic thing. I think that was probably one of my favorite moments in the
last episode, is like even if we have differences, we were still like
a solid team. Yeah, oh that moment. Does anybody remember when that
happened. There was a moment where you know, like our combat was very
clunky or it was going down a lot. You know, we weren't and
then something happened, like we had a mini arc and then we came back
and fought something and just demolished. I think it was the Realm of the
Dead when we went there, we just we were cohesive. We were it
was around that time. It was so cool to watch. I think it
was actually form when you all you all remember jumping on the table and flying
away. I think once you guys regrouped in the town. There after you
guys went through the thing with Igan and the demons and jumped on the on
the table, and then went to Chipper and went through the Acxiss Monday thing,
and then you're just kind of together in you know, in the Realm
of the Dead, and then you went through each of these journeys. By
the time you was actually the Water Realm. After the Water room that kicked
our ass. Yeah, and then we came out went into my door,
and that's when everything like pretty much got demolished. I think like that whole
area, that whole arc brought you to that point where you were when you
fought symbol again and he was taking the different forms and you just your work,
yeah, completely as a unit, even with like epic ending or appears
like in the middle. In the middle, it was so good. So
I think it, Yeah, all of that kind of arc there, Yeah,
it was a good point. Challenges, Yeah, Disbee, did you
have a favorite moment that was challenging? Definitely? I think because with bo
I, I kind of you know, I made him the goofy character,
but at the same time, he grew up a very selfish life because you
know, it was all about me myself and I I'm taking care of myself.
But then when he got dragged into this race, you know, he
wasn't the only one, and he was also then given the the gift of
ice and water, and and with that he carried the responsibility of getting rid
of the snow that was overwhelming the world of Luquine. The challenge was definitely
that dice roll getting rid of all the snow would Bow actually do it?
And that was that was crazy that we got a twenty, a solid twenty
on that. So yeah, that was biggest challenge that he was so afraid
to overcome, and he did it. I'm sure he felt very proud.
Yeah, and he legitimately did remove all of the like everyone would have died,
Yeah, everyone on the everyone and everything would have died had he not
done that if you had failed out right, I guess. Yeah, So
yeah, Bo really had, Like each of you had an extremely important moment
there that if all four of you had not been successful I guess, or
at least hadn't contributed, without the four of you working together, you wouldn't
have been able to do it. But it was each a very small individual
thing, very small. It was, you know, stop everyone from dying
by removing the ice. Yeah, getting a twenty on that was in say,
I love moments like that as well. It wasn't a PB twenty and
two. And then you were like, oh that's what you saw. The
board didn't get rid of the ace the first team and then you laid and
then again as well, I said, do you want to do one last
thing? And in my head I'm like the answer, by the way,
when you complete the game and go back to try and get the true ending
of games and you go, oh, the correct answer was that I want
to remove the snow. In my head, I had the question. So
the fact that Peebe kind of went with the well I used my did I
use my re rule ability where I was like, no, you get to
do that again? Yeah, I think it was something like that. So
then I saw the other one, and then the now twenty happened and world
in which Bow was like, yeah, I just summon up, you know,
an Ellie clone bit of magic. Yeah, what about Tuesday? And
yeah, I'll go general and then specific. I think in general it was
challenging to play young, kind of unformed character because I have a strong personality
and strong opinions in general, so playing somebody that didn't really know where she
was going to go or how she was going to approach things was a bit
of a challenge, and specifically, a very hard moment for me to play
was my first time not on the B team, So when I show up
on the island and I'm super injured and out of it, and that was
hard because I personally, if if I'm injured or hurting. I usually hide
physical or emotional. I'll just kind of tuck myself away. And I had
to be on display on a camera in front of people, showing that I
was really hurt and lost. And yeah, that was that was tough to
do. Yeah, you were amazing at it. You were thank youh noominal.
Also, it's it was a very beautiful portrayal of an anxiety attack in
my opinion, like you did a great job of showing like what someone acts
like after a traumatic event, like you went through, you did the grief,
you went through the stages you were like, oh but then this,
and you would time travel back to the event. It was just it was
just really beautifully done. I thought you did a great job. Yeah.
It's also like another point that I've where I've had to just put a lot
on you because you're playing a recurring character. You weren't here every week on
this refresher course of what happened last time. You kind of just came back
every few episodes, so you had to remember a lot, and you're kind
of carrying as one individual character the events that your character. We didn't see
a lot of what Caira was doing because we're in the B team, so
we didn't see we miss you for weeks and for us it was months sometimes
out of like in gameplay time, and then we come back to you and
you you have to you have to explain everything, and only you can do
it because I don't have an NPC there like in Bologna, I have Reginald
and stuff kind of explaining the side of the B Team for the other characters,
but you were in charge of doing it there, and it was a
lot for me to put on you. And I was like, well,
good luck, because it was just no choice and you did it and on
top of everything everybody just mentioned. So yeah, it was really good.
It was great to bring Cairo back as well, and thank god you left
at the end of that. The team made me go GTFO. Yeah,
it was really nice actually that that happened, because it was a lot easier
to write you back in. Yeah, Scot, the whole thing was a
bit of a challenge, just in a senstant I'm coming in late in a
campaign, and not only am my coming in late, it's not really my
character, you know what I mean. It's like Peb's like here's here's a
beloved character. From my character's background. Right, It's like a bit of
pep she's handed to me, and I'm like, okay, let's just do
my best not to stomp all over what she has in mind, you know
what I mean, and then not stomp all over Bread's story that he's been
putting out. So just kind of that, trying to make it my own,
but then not make it not yours or not PB's character either, and
just kind of write that line and you threw in little bits to make it
mine an interesting and keep it fun and all the rest of it. But
yeah, it was just once because Peebe came up with the character in her
backstory, I knew, and we kind of discussed since you had to go
back to your current PB and be alone, yeah, would be called.
We were like, well maybe we got o zoochists to come in and play.
I straight up asked, and I want to say that. I want
the world to know that. When he said the episode wrapped and he said,
okay, you guys, just to give your heads up, we're going
to be split up, and I was like, I'm going to be by
myself, and I asked for you by name Psicotokus. I said, I
have one request. If you take me there can Scicotacus, please play Toby,
and it was perfect. You did a perfect job. Yeah, so
I just did my best not to stomp all over. But also I feel
like it justice then you for me once, like the reins were handed over
to you and you know it's yours to do with. It's still hard when
you have yeah free like gat. I was like, oh more Dean d
you with friends awesome, And then I was like, oh wait, it's
difficult. Yeah, because you're it's a little differently as much as you're playing
the indeeds. It's yeah, quite hard to do. Yeah. I went
into the discord channel and I was just like and hash dying order and it
was like Apple Toby Toby Sooner and just looking through all that people's but people
were saying everything just to be like, oh this is a little one and
I'll go back check out. It wasn't a lot like it's not like you
took a character that we had seen a lot of. We had just heard
the references. And also on top of that, it was mostly bullshit,
like everything was improvably false a lot of the time. So I wanted to
be like somewhat true, but just like you know what I mean, So
like they're they're beckering banter back and forth. Like if you looked at it
from the inside, you may think that they're both horrible to each other,
but it wasn't. That was just both their like awkward, weird way of
being like, I have this energy inside and this is the only way I
can get it to you because I'm too much of a fill to just be
like whatever. You know, Yeah, I think it was. I think
it was well done because I also know that you because every message that sent
me, He'll be like, I'm going to do this, but is that
going to ruin your entire campaign? I'm like, no, dude, it's
your character, like as much as you want to do with it, do
and you were just bringing so much stuff to it that I wanted just a
whole campaign where we follow you around by the end of it, because you
were inventing things that made so much sense, like a lot of the things
that you were referencing too sooner that I knew that she didn't know you were
prepairing and thinking, yeah, also, I never had any This is really
difficult. I think when you do hand over a character to someone else to
role play it. But I never had any doubt, and I never had
a moment where I didn't know in my heart that you would take Ippo and
turn him into what you did. You did such a such a good job.
And I remember like giving you my Google doc on what I had of
him and then like, you know, he's yours. Now do whatever,
add whatever you want, but this is what I have so far. And
yeah, it was just, yeah, you did a beautiful job. Yeah.
When I when I got him, I was like, okay, I
want to try and like think about his origin story to kind of justify what
we know about how they've interacted and the things he didn't like. And then
that's when I got to like the oh, maybe like he wasnto that stuff
and it kind of messed him up and made him feel bad and he ran
away from it. Yeah, you hermit, that's a question I had never
answered. Yeah. Yeah, And it was just like he was running away
from his from his sham and from like just the ear of people and the
corruption and all that kind of stuff. He's like, I don't want nothing
to do with it. But it wasn't until like, like so I wrote
the first bit with him, you know, seeing that that's your names him,
go out and leave everything behind and but faith pail bring you what you
need. And then that didn't happen, and I was like, oh,
he got scanned. And later on I was like, wait, no,
he actually really left, and then fate brought him sooner. I was like,
Oh, my brain just does things for me. And then I know
I've been talking a lot, and I swear to God I'll shut up after
this, But can I just share a really cool thing that you wouldn't have
seen because it was behind the scenes. So you know how the prophecy was
that you would be a hero. Do you remember in the Google doc,
I had just a couple of examples of Suna and Ippo's reactions or interactions prior
to her leaving, and one of them was that when she first arrived there,
something like the water or a pipe head burst or something like that,
she wouldn't have survived the winter season there had it not been fixed. And
it just miraculously got fixed at one point, And in my notes, I
said, Suna has no clue, but I like to think that it was
Ippo that did it. So and it's like if you hadn't done that soon,
it wouldn't even be here to do any of the things that she needed
to do. So in several ways, I bo ended up being a hero,
like not just at the end of the show. So yeah, I
think that's really cool detail. And I'm talking for the rest of the thing
now. I'm going to bang out some of these, some of these other
ones. In Organic Phosphates said, does Ellie know the identity of her Warlock
patron from the shadow Fell? It's not really as much a question for Pocket
as it is for me, I guess, but she did and did she
didn't know too much. But I like to think that maybe, like you
know, we didn't necessarily see it, but Ellie was having a few more
quiet whispers and stuff, probably in the dark. I can tell you that
I had a whole thing planned. There were so many divergent points for this
campaign that it's very possible you could have come to the very end of the
campaign and retained magic and she would still be a Warlock or a lifeless and
she would still have this thing. And me and Pocket spoke about it a
bunch. When you decided to multi class into Warlock, I said, I'll
come up with a thing and I'll just i'llpee you into a warlock and you
can take all of the character sheet stuff. It was a creature that I
created called Vendros the Eternal, which is kind of like a shadow dragon,
just a really powerful thing. She's like a soul eating dragon, except that
what I wanted to do with it, I wanted to ask about her.
I'm really really curious. Go ahead, yeah, yeah, Well, my
original plan with it was I liked the idea where a warlock that is currently
more powerful than somebody sees the potential for somebody to be more powerful than the
patron eventually. So in a way, Vendres was grooming Ellie to take a
position, a ruling position in the shadow Fell, and in doing that,
creates herself a really powerful ally or puts herself in trains Ellie to be stronger
than than Vendress is allowing Ellie to take the throne in this position while also
retaining her own safety. Under this rule of this really powerful creature, she
saw the potential for Ellie to be one of the most powerful things, if
not the most powerful thing, in the entire you know, shadow Fell,
which is a pretty powerful creature and so we discussed that, and I also
knew the Pocket was a Star Wars fan, and I thought that she might
get a kick out of maybe having the master Apprentice thing. Sith style didn't
really get to explore it like at all, to be honest, which is
just how it goes with D and D sometimes. But I think that's when
it started getting more philosophical and less like murder hobo Ellie, even though she
technically at the time was a murder hobo. Yeah, but when it started
getting philosophical, that's when she started even questioning, like I think the Warlock
darkness and all that, yeah, And like I think, because me and
you discuss how cool it would be, like we imagined a version long after
the campaign even ended, or this potential eventuality thousands of years in the future
of the crin where Ellie is still alive and living in the shadow fell as
just this like basically a god in an in and of itself. And because
that was the potential and a lot of this show was about power and stuff,
and as soon as you mentioned to Warlock, I was like, yes,
I really need a Warlock to mess with that power dynamic, and I
can really fuck with that theme, but yeah, we didn't really get to
explore it too much. It just happens. It's always the way. There's
a secondary question, which is a little bit of a dark fire reference.
Is there any link to Drift in the first, And there's not at all.
It's its own thing. I'm sure that Vendres and the First have crossed
paths, but it's not. There was no direct reference there. Johnny has
questions about the gifts at the beginning. You'll spare sure gift, Johnny Kats,
do you regret your choice with your special gift from r he at the
gate of time where Aura and Sooner became chronomancers. So let's just discuss all
of those things. Each of you were given a gift at the beginning from
r He. Bo got a potion basically, Sooner got a lamp, Ellie
got a dagger, and Aura got a little plant to look after. And
just since we're on it, I'll tell you the basic law of that you
could have used that at any point and it would have just unlocked your full
potential. It was very much like mystic Gohann levels of inspiration from me,
where I was like everyone has a hidden potential because everyone is kind of linked
to chaos and stuff, and we all probably all have our own hidden potential
as you know that you use ten percent of your brain thing, and so
the are he I sort of saw it. Especially the beginning is the Ahi
Deevaki were legally bound to some elements of the Dying Order race, and so
they try and they have to unlock your full potential for the race is the
rule. So they go, oh, yeah, here's a thing. They
know that this is a thing that has to unlock your potential, but they
also know that you're not necessarily going to just drink a potion that you get
from this weird alien creature. So that's them messing with you. So you
did exactly what they wanted you to do, which was not immediately unlocked your
potential. But that's what those things were to do. However, if you
did do them, you couldn't have traded them in for what at each of
the gates you could have potentially visited would have been a unique power that was
specific to the gate. For example, the chronomancy at the Gate of Time.
You know, you could have gone to the water gate and received a
similar thing to what Bo unlocked. Anyway, in his own potential. You
could have gone to Dark Veil and unlocked some necromancy maybe, or maybe something
like what Ellie found with the warlock stuff. Yeah you so, do you
regret any choices around those things, about those gifts? Well, do you
want to? I mean, I think you specifically said for Sooner. If
I had done it, it would have been divination magic, right, I
think probably would have. Yeah. I didn't have exactly what it would be
written down because I didn't know what level you were going to unlock it,
so I didn't know how to balance out at the beginning. I just had
an idea of what each one would have been. So yeah, I think
yours would most certainly have been divination of some kind. Yeah, and you
would have probably unlocked something similar to the porttern that you've got. Anyway,
I think probably was what I was thinking. I regret not stabbing someone sooner.
Yeah, Yeah, that's all you had to do with yours. I
only had to stab someone, but I didn't. I unlocked my powers,
not even by stabbing someone with a dagger, just by defeating God of Death.
Eventually, you would always have got it regardless. It's just that you
could have had it at the beginning or at the end. And I also
made each of them individual to you. I knew that Peebee wouldn't immediately mess
with the lamp because she's played Final Fantasy eight. That's why you did it
in a lamp, right. I was up in dying to ask you that
fucking question because I didn't. I knew that you, more than anyone,
would be able to read me and read into what I'm doing, because we've
done so much stuff together that you would just know. So I wanted yours
to be kind of scary or reflected her character the most. And the other
two were new players to me, So I had Disbee, who had never
really played D and D before, So I was like, Okay, yours
is a potion. There's only one thing you can do with it, will
you? And she just didn't, but it was like but yeah. And
then with Ellie, you know it's a knife. What do you do with
a knife? Now, it could have been I kind of made it a
sacrificial dagger because I knew Pocket had played dn D before, and I thought
maybe you'd think it was something you put into a wall somewhere and it unlocks
the door or something. I actually thought if I used it and I used
it on the wrong person or thing, that it would break and I wouldn't
consume its use. Yeah. Yeah, so I was afraid, like to
stab people with it. I wanted you guys to question those things. But
I did make it more. I did kind of specifically make like, for
example, I made Disbey's really easy to work out because I was like,
Disbey's never played DND before, so it's unfair, and it made Peeb's really
difficult, or just I just played Peebe against herself because I know, yeah,
you did. It was very good because my first reaction was to use
the thing, and because I went, oh my god, it's a lamp.
And then I went, oh, but nobody knows that soon as mom
has that like Genie Gin background, right, so it must be related to
mom somehow. And then I went, but what if it's what if it's
yablos, And then I was like, don't ever fucking touch it until you
know for sure. You played me so well. I did exactly that.
Yeah, it put it away and never use it. I didn't want you
guys to immediately use them. Obviously. I knew that the potential was there.
I was kind of hoping you would use them like a third of the
way in or something, so that you really had a chance to level them
up, because obviously as you gained levels that you got these you guys were
so strong. I g you would like multi classing you broc. Yeah,
from the point that you unlocked these abilities, which was kind of at the
indicated time when they used their things, do you wish you had unlocked yours
KPP as opposed to using trading it for the Magi magic. I feel like
it ended up working out okay for combat, but I that brain remlin.
That's like what if you had kept it, what would it have been?
Would you have liked it better? Kind of thing. I also that little
clover was slowly dying, and I thought if I could kill it, then
I won't have anything. Yeah, so I kind of offloaded it as soon
as I had the option, because I was pretty sure it was going to
die, and then I would I would be like the one person who didn't
have a special skill because my my I had the only thing that was like
a live Yeah, you're it had to be protected and nurtured. Yeah,
it was really all there was. If it had died, you you're I
was going to reduce your proficiency bonus by one. That's really rough, horrific
because it was a fallen lover. It would have reduced in the beginning of
a show. Yeah. Also that also sucked some shit up right in the
beginning. Yep. So each of them actually did have a thing that you
so you could have sucked it up with each of them. You could have
messed up these things. He reduces his age by forty sixty seven to a
minimum. You could have become a baby, yeah, which it did do
for like a day, I think, yeah, yes, crazy wow.
And Ellie's would have made her more murderous. The gem in the blade would
have gone down crims and then started to whisper murderous thoughts to her, which
would have and also could have reduced your in charisma or wisdom too. She
didn't really need that though, And HPA, magical energy exerted from this thing
could have actually hurt you. So they had like negative traits that you could
have run into. But yeah, you guys went straight to a desert with
a plant that Ora needed to keep alive, which was another rough thing.
I was like, oh, she's screwed. Well, I'm glad that I
gave it. I'm I'm glad I traded it, but it worked out.
I mean, I'm glad that we had like the chronomancy for both of your
characters, to be honest, really, because I was just thinking, like
narratively, it may have been cooler if Aura had been the only one.
Pete loves time travel and time magic. So for me, I have no
regrets from a mental kind of liked it because Sooner was a little bit like
the teacher the master, and she would often do the thing first, and
then Aura would also do it chronomancy afterwards, and as you're kind of attuned
to it a little better, just naturally magic wielding and the fact that chronomans
is a little like divination a little a lot really, But yeah, so
I kind of liked it. I saw a little bit of a you know,
the Aura was by this point, we like when we were in That's
Beyond, we kind of knew the Aura wasn't the badass, and she was
learning. She was on the parent rock and I could see that. And
you had Suna, who was more like the group mom, a little bit
like the teacher, but also like really lost in her own way. Were
kind of holding that back. I think in my brain, I think that
if we had kept magic for the end of the like, who knows what
would have happened at the end if we had kept magic. But I like
the idea that or in Sooner are like the first or the only remaining chrono
mancers and then can then maybe potentially like teach or pass on. Like that's
a really cool thing that I didn't realize because it's from the Magi who were
no longer around, right, that magic, so they're the only ones that
have it at that point. It's all the old magic, and it's it's
also what it really is when you break it down, is just direct that
it's direct chaos. Yeah, magic is what it is. You just they
figured out how to tap into it the bang out some quick answers individual,
What does Bou regret from his long life? Oh, regret from his long
life? I think not beating maybe Ellie Sooner all right, because I think
he he definitely found love in her and he just like from the moment he
met her, he just wanted to protect her. Yeah kpp Before being taken
by Ahi. How did Aura want life to turn out? Everyone else seemed
set on a life path did or want to keep farming and hunting around Bain.
I think that's all Aura new. I think she was hoping Klex would
come around on his own and they would get married and Alvin would build a
little hut next to the house and stuff. But I think she's just kind
of lost in a bit of a way, like this is just what I
do. I farm here in town with this awful family that runs it,
and so it's just kind of like accepting your fate, like I can't really
change anything, but I don't know anything different. Yeah, Okay, would
Ellie prefer being a god of death heading up an assassin's guild or neither?
Has the answer changed during the events of Dying Order. I think that answer
has changed many times. I think undead Ellie very much was bent on being
the god of death, But then I think that the nicer ending, despite
even wanting to kill Deevaki at the end, I think that she got the
more civil and humane and even like good compared to what she was ending.
And I very much even if she helps lead the assassin skilled, she pretty
much and with Zags ending, she pretty much takes a step back and step
down from from murdering. Yeah, so she became more human. Yeah,
it was the most It was perfect. It was such a beautiful and for
her Yeah, well, pheebee, what would sooner give up for her children?
Would she have let someone else take her place on this quest if it
meant got to stay with her family? No, did you do anything differently
with Suna as a result of playing Rin. He's a quick fire question.
Yes, yes, yes, yes. So after playing Rin, so,
Rin was a pretty tough character to play because I'm very emotional and I played
her macro very pragmatic, and so she was very difficult. She was also
very hated on the show, so I was like, oh Jesus Christ,
yeah, I hate Ridden more than Stalin. Still my favorite fucking thing.
Oh yeah that yeah, I should probably clarify that. But yes, So
after playing that, I wanted to do someone I wanted to do, play
a support character in in all of the ways support in the way I played
her magic style. Uh, and also just like to be there to uplift,
you know, the other characters or to accent them in a way.
So I kind of wanted her to be this wise old woman and quirky a
bit and funny. So that I could just kind of relax and and uh,
you know, ease into that kind of a character rather than playing somebody
so difficult. But h so, yes it did. I changed. I
did. I picked sooner because I had just got done playing Rid. I
wanted to change Tuesday. How much did Brad pay you to come back from
all the cren am I allowed to disclose and da, I'm trying to get
you to break yourside and I paid it out. Yeah, thanks for the
question, Love you guys. And there's no question for Scott Kiss to just
keep your mouth shut. Okay, no, aunt, don't, don't nothing
from And that's from Johnny Katz so you can remember his name, Scott.
Let's see here there was another one for the group. I think that I
was gonna question everyone on but I forgot I can't find it now I have
one. Why did the four charas choose to keep magic? Right? Yeah?
So I'm moving Okay, where are you because I'm on the list of
Oh okay, I was just picking randomly the ones based on how the conversation
was going and removing them when when we're done. But yeah, I'm not
even in the the I haven't even picked up these yet, So that's a
good one. Go Okay, why did the four characters choose to keep or
give up magic? What did they think that it meant? And then the
question for Scotta kiss in Tuesday would be how it No, you sort of
kind of answered this, so if if you have anything else to add,
I'd like to know how was it coming in late for the final arc?
All right, I already kind of answered this, So I think Ellie would
have chose she I chose to keep it as Ellie because I think that she
was invested in the power, so I think it in the better that she
got like it got it was gotten rid of, so she wouldn't be so
power hungry. So both kept his power because I think throughout their journey he
was he was a thief before he met the girls, but when he met
them, he found family in love again when he thought, you know,
he had lost it when he lost his mom, and he wanted to continue
to protect. So that's why he kept his power and so that he can
get rid of the snow too. I love that answer, by the way,
just so just because it was a thing that I went over and over
in my head a lot. I was using power as a very villainous thing
in this A lot of the time, I really want my central theme in
this is power corrupts absolutely question mark and for a lot of the time,
if the scale of evil in this was just how powerful you were, Like
it was just a law, a rule of thumb that I used, and
I was trying to twist that as much as I could. The guy at
the end of Primark Trimal was a good guy with a lot of power,
just so that I had at least one character to disprove the rule, because
I didn't want to just be that guy that's pushing my own ideologies and things
into the narrative. But there was a point where I really really wanted to
have this situation where you guys were forced to use power in what would be
a very questionable way to protect each other, just to show that even good
people can do bad things with power for what they think is the right thing,
or maybe for the people they love. Sometimes you just forced into positions,
and so that is something that I, like I was cert to figure
out how to do. I don't even know if I did any point in
this. I know I didn't specifically set it up any point, but the
fact that you questioned it makes me very happy because that was a lot of
the reasoning behind that question. Carry on next, Yeah, no, so
that's that's actually my answer as well. Suna chose to keep the magic because
it's the only thing that she thought she had of value, which is fucked
up, but it's what she would would use to protect everyone in her family.
So, which circles back to the would she do anything differently, like
would she let somebody else go in her stead so she could be with her
family? No, because she truly believed she was faded and one of the
only people who could do this, so she will do it for the sake
of her family and everyone she loves. So yeah, Or is the only
person who decided not to keep Yeah, So that's interesting. Which, again,
by the way, if I was writing this as a screenplay, that's
how I would have written that entire scene for the record, So it worked
out. Yeah, I didn't choose or I didn't choose to have magic because
after everything that it happened, she realized that sometimes magic can create more problems
than help, and that she truly didn't need it to be happy, or
didn't need it to complete her life, and so she was fine going back
to her life if it meant that magic wasn't there. Because this is going
to sound cheesy, you can create your own magic. So that's truly why
she chose that. Yeah, I think you set Ellie up to be a
murderous killer. As soon as I call with me for the first time to
make this character, you were like, I just want to be an assassin
that kills ship and that's it's true. I ever seen you were like,
I just want to kill things, and I was like, okay, I
don't think at the time you realized that everything that you guys were saying on
that call, when we made out the characters together and we were coming up
with the things I was, I was absorbing all of it. And then
just I was like, this is going in on such a deeper level than
I think any of you maybe realize without maybe pbe because the Dagger could whisper
to me evil things, I got, uh, what is it a curse
that whispered to me? And I wanted to murder more and more until it
sucked my soul away. But also the first thing that you said to me
is you want to be a murder hober. You want to be an assassin,
you want to be strong. You were in a position of power just
by being an elite assassin in an assassin's killed in a strong sea. You
rolled really fucking well. So your character is genuinely able to back up that
power. And all I'm looking at are my themes of power that are going
to be squished into this. In between every brick, there's the mortar of
power. So I could just see that. I like, I was actively
tempting all of you with power, and I was actively bloating you all with
power, and none more so than Ellie, because you were like a lifeless
You were like obliterating enemies every combat and stuff like that. So I was
I was acting like the cosmos giving you that temptation. So yeah, straight
up, you're correct. I was building you up to be just a pure
psychotic murder assassin thing. Well it worked, but I really like, again
the way that you kind of role played that up and down depending on perspectives
and what you've been through. So it was I have to thank the other,
like the rest of the cast for that, because like soon one of
the only people pulling Ellie back down and saying no, no, no,
no, no, come back down. M And then what was the follow
up parts for Tuesday? Scott? Yeah, what was it like coming in
to the end of the campaign? Essentially as main character is being added on
Whom Are You Go First? Tuesday was super invested in the story, and
Cairo had very good reason to be as well. So although from the outside
it might seem intimidating, you know, these four are bonded. They've been
through literally the end of the world together. You know, how do you
add to that and not take away from that? And I think Brad just
made that very easy for Piro because there was so much at risk and so
much for her to be invested in and find out. So and I also
think that if I was going to have a pretty easy time with this too,
because holy shit. Anyway, okay, just since it's right there in
the chat, Riosko says, how different was it for you to playing Cairo
versus Lash? Oh? Yeah, pretty different. One main difference, of
course, is that I wrote Lash. I wrote Lash's backstory. I knew
who Lash was when I started, and with Cairo that was a real journey,
not just because I hadn't written her, because you can get to know
a character that you haven't written. But because she was so unformed, she
did not have a huge backstory, and she was very young and naive in
a lot of ways, so very different to playing Lash, although there were
certainly some similarities. I would say they were both a bit naive in ways.
And I have a follow up question because I just just clicked to me
that you were both playing NPCs that you turned into your own characters. Could
you talk maybe a little bit about the process of what you do to develop
that piece of paper that gives you just basically gun bullet points of who you
are. For me, it was asking myself questions about Cairo, so just
going on, you know, what little I have of her without adding to
a file that's her backstory, like giving anything to Brad, asking myself questions
as if I'm Cairo, gauging my responses and weighing back like, okay,
does that fit with what I think this person has created? And you know
how much license can I take coloring inside those lines? But yeah, for
me, mainly asking myself questions as if you know events were happening. I
mean, I didn't even create Cairo. I I made Cairo fit the saying
better you will pick your B Team characters as well. Before that words,
yeah, Cairo was made by right and right it was. There was not
very much though I can tell you this is I can tell you what it
says. Name cairon old Gall. Cairo was a boy. I decided to
make Caro into a girl because all of the Beat team were boys, and
I wanted you to have, you know, some different options in there,
and you guys. I also told you, guys, you could do what
you want with it, even though there was this written down. And then
I fleshed some stuff out half off ranger skills, deception, animal handling,
investigation, insight, can speak semi fluent owl, personality, comforting to get
answers, he wants need. You could say he's a sweet talker yet still
chaotic good. That's the whole character that was submitted like before this campaign began.
So I went, okay, let's twist some things here. Let's give
this character an owl. Let's see what else. So I remember adding a
bunch of stuff making Cairo into more of a I needed a new kid.
I really wanted, like ye, the new kid to join because I knew
what I had him planned for c Stalker and stuff like that, and you
ended up picking that character and fleshing out more than that. But it is
still like it's weird because it's still not my character either, you know,
it's weird, Like I got an NPC submission that I made into something that
fit the setting and the story a little better to just you know, because
I have to. And then you went in and jumped in, and you
guys were in it quite early as well. Cara was in it with Lyron
in that episode of Coming where it was, but it was pretty darn early
on. We yeah, it was just Tuesday and I Yeah, that first
episode was Yeah, there was like a random week where everything went wrong and
everyone was on a and we met Geo and yeah, and we did the
first B Team campaign episode because the B Team was literally designed for that.
When somebody was missing or a couple of people couldn't make the session, we
would flip to the B Team and I would give you an investigatory mission to
do with a machine. I'm so sorry. Someone in the chat, what
bo is a woman? Well that's acting so so happy. Yeah, that
was Cairo. And for the record, last was Tuesday's character in Dustball which
was a campaign I ran three years ago that is set in the same world,
and Tuesday was in that as lash the ken Ku Yep, which then
half So then to circle back to Zschotta Kiss in answering the question of like
what was it like coming in midway through? I mean, it kind of
was medway through, but then again it also was in trade. It was
like the start of the of the epilogue to an extent, so it was
kind of like a fresh start, you know, system change, you know,
the massive changing the world with magic being gone. So you know,
it wasn't necessarily wating middles, not as if it was like, you know,
just before the boss battle or some other big thing, you know what
I mean. It was a nice kind of start, so it wasn't that
much pressure in that sense as far as like developing the character and making them
my own. It was just trying to like squeeze as much out of PB.
So possibly could been like, okay, whatever it does, tell me.
L's like I got like the picture and stuff, and then a few
bets and I was like, you know, what about this kind of thing
and what kind of like interactions have they had? And yeah, do some
things walk to town together, and do they sometimes share a meal? And
you ask me so many good questions that I hadn't really considered in the beginning,
and then you know, do they walk to town together and all this,
And we had a couple of talks like that, which was good.
But yeah, you're very good at those those kind of development questions. Yeah.
And then when it wasn't peebe I've built a message, Brandon be like,
I've been thinking, trying to worked us out of my character, any
thoughts or whatever, and then he'd ignore me and any message him when I
forget out a problem and he's like, yeah, that's good. So that's
IP. I was like the least my character of every character in the whole
thing. I I was made by PB and Zicocus, and I really didn't
have a lot of saying that, and I didn't want to either, so
would often message me like can I do this? Can I do this?
And I'd just be like, yeah, I don't give a shit. You're
not my responsibility. You're your responsibility now. And all of the influence comes
from PB. So she I don't want to be influencing what she imagined for
you. No, Because I didn't know you better than she did. So
it was really weird place to be in. And I knew this was going
to be really up heavy at the end, so I didn't want to form
it. Had a very general idea that I gave to Zsocotta kiss and everything
else. He made himself like he took Ippo and I did like a little
clover and it grew. That's what he did. He nurtured IPO. Yeah,
but there is a question for you regarding IPO. What goes into putting
on the look for you for EPO? So I have a hair coloring wax.
One tob did me like perfectly, it's empty rate in the last epple
was perfect, like, it's a coloring wax. That and my hair and
my beard and my eyebrows and then any like spots that ken I needed some
topping up. I just use like a cheap hair color spray just to kind
of get it fairly even. And then uh messus E would do the old
man makeup stuff. Yeah, me some redness and some wrinkles and some male
lianes and more bags and stuff. Were you good? You washed it all
off after yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I was terrible
And I would not always do that, And then I'd wake up Monday and
my poud be like, whoa, what are you all right? And I'm
like, oh, I just had my old lady makeup. Yeah, the
feeling of it and my beard and my hair was just a bit like,
ah, it was a bit much said, so I always want like it
washed it easy enough and all the rest of it was fine. But I
would do that like an hour before it was like we kind of got into
flow of it. So but the end of it was like thirty minutes,
you know. Can I just say I thought you were putting on an accent
at first, yeah, because I had ever heard your voice before, and
so I was like, oh, he's a really good at accents. We
definitely from a normal one to an extent, but yeah, and then I
had like my my glasses, you're up there. I'm just gonna jump because
there's quite good at other accents as well. Just nowhere, I want to
bang out some more questions. Yes, there is a question. Does Ellie
quietly watch over Ora in the group from the shadows or did she ever come
back to them, which is something that Pocket really wanted to talk about.
I think we can do that Okay, I had a question. Question?
Really, wait, I had a question? Yeah, okay, ye yeah.
So basically what happened with Ellie is she went back with Zach and agreed
to lead the guild, but they did things differently. I think Ellie learned
a lot like and recruit children like that would stop and they would recruit people
that were actual already criminals and train them. And then what was this question
specifically, oh, the watching Over? Do you ever watch Over? Yeah?
I yes, yes, yes, do you watch over in a protective
way or just in case the baby goes hey wire one day? Both?
Yeah, Ellie very much would send uh two Like I think what we said
is she sent like two assassins to help the new mayor protect the city because
she literally killed a whole household, and then one to spy on the child
and send updates over what's going on. And then Suna is writing Ellie letters
still like oh you know, and here's what's going on and blah blah blah,
even though I think Ellie obviously knows everything because she's got somebody spying and
she could be like, oh, you know, she's exaggerating this part or
whatever, you know, but yeah, she said she didn't win. Yeah,
we did this and it was the best Pine got a prize one,
you know, just rambling like the old woman she is. I also think
I like to think that since Bo stayed uh in the city. Oh yeah,
they all like we all remained uh not just Bo, but Grim and
uh, Colugi and Reginald. Like I would like to think that we all
remained like close to each other as sort of an end of it. So
close actually that let's lead into disby well gosh, well, maybe we can
say that that Bo and Ellie ended up together. Yea had his dream because
when Brad first ended season one, Bo's bow stream was definitely to end up
with Ellie. But you know, of course he still very much respects her
and so yeah, his dream I think was to always kind of carry her
with him, and so he named his daughter after Ellie. But I think
with this end he was able to get his true and happy ending. After
all, Yeah, Ellie and bow ended up together. And I think that
an interpretation of like Ellie's dream is she wanted her independence, and I think
that she got that, like she was able to lead her own life.
So imagine just like finally, like relax, yeah, and just be with
somebody who knows you and everything that you've gone through. Yeah, it was
a happy guy. I'm sure he's making Ellie happy as happy. My god,
maybe she laughs, She probably laughs. Yeah, there might be a
couple of times she laughs, Oh but only yeah, Oh my god,
with the two of them. Oh that makes me so happy. There's one
from Regel that says, do or I'm Reginald keeping contact and visit each other.
Yeah, specific I think Aura would send like, you know, the
yearly Christmas card. Yeah, kind of situation and just there's like a fringe
communication. But I think if anything, she would go visit Ellie and Bow
and then set up a coffee date with Reginald as well. Kind of situation
or if he's living with you guys, and I guess maybe maybe she would
see all of you. Yeah, yeah, And where did Aura go?
Like what was her post I always met? Like when we talked after the
last episode two? Is that deciding where to raise the baby? We all
kind of landed on Bame, So I'm sure I talked with Suona quite a
bit an IFO, and then I headed back up to Bame and married Klex.
That's her dream thing, and Alvin built a little house and he lives
in a little like a little house right on their property. And or I
kind of wanted that dream. She had to become real. So she's pregnant
with a little baby already. She kind of got a bonus baby, I
guess. So she named Dave. Didn't we decide where her name him Dave?
So I didn't sear her a little Dave be a demon, We don't
know quite yet. But yeah, she just went back and I mean,
she's like very content with her life because she she loves Bame. She loves
nature and the simple like simplicity. Even when we went to that fancy restaurant
in uh Bologna, she was like, why is everyone so mean? So
like she's totally fine living in her little house in the in the nature.
And I think that, yeah, we had we had talked about Zychoticus,
and I had said that it probably went down like, oh, you're going
to Bame, Well we'll just come and help you get like set up and
sordid and you know, and then we'll go back to yos Korin. And
then the situation of just didn't leave and then eventually, you know, Ippo
was like, oh, what about this cottage that's you know, like empty,
and Probably was like it has room for garden. We'll just stay here
for a little while. And they both knew that they weren't ever leaving.
So yeah, they're kind of like the the grandish parents grandparents, I guess,
or you know, they're always around helping. So Pebe, I'd actually
like you to answer this in your words, but why were you cool with
Ellie almost shooting or killing Ipo? Oh yeah, this was like, this
was a really intense thing that a lot of people asked me about afterwards because
in that like again, I really wanted Suna to be wiser than me and
just in a kind of at peace, And in that moment, Ellie is
like a daughter to her. And Ellie did the best thing that she could.
She did what she thought she had to do, and in that moment,
I was like, I'm never going to see her again, and I
want the last thing that I say to her to be that I love you
and I support you, and I don't blame you, and you did the
best that you could, because that's that's what matters. And Ippo knows that
she loves him and doesn't want him to die obviously, but yeah, and
in that moment, it was very much like, how can I be the
best parent I can be to someone who's about to walk out the door forever?
So yeah, that was it. And I just didn't want her walking
away blaming herself for all of that, because she, Yeah, that's it.
What about Cairo? I think she's up to. I Roh is sticking
with Thurston and Reginald and Bob and seeing what basically new beast the Inquisition will
become now that it doesn't have you know, the original mission and oh,
we're staying in the city by herself has like a solo place off of whatever
wages she can get from the Inquisition, such as it as it is.
And I like to think that she keeps in touch, you know, through
probably more than annual cards with Aura and Souna an I. And I'm not
sure to what extent she would keep in touch with Oo and Ellie, but
that would kind of depend on how much they mingled with you know, Reginald.
And but you totally come to visit and like have pie and stuff.
Yeah you're not, You're not just gonna like bail and yeah, right,
And It's one of those situations where I think, every time you come to
visit, we try to convince you to stay. For those parents where we're
likes for sale on the street, you always leave with tons of food.
Was a little fatter. Do you think that that Kiro and Sooner would ever
have worked out there? Connection? Oh? Man, I hope so.
I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, kind of hard. We're
out because with that in Heale, like, how would we we would have
to have? Because I thought about this, Sooner would have to have been
at some point told by new Mara that she was at one point married to
somebody called Aguin who was a wizard who had a kid that was called Malcolin,
which one was yours that and that would have passed down. I'll load
up an image on the screen for everybody. The only thing that I know,
I wonder whether it would even be I don't think so magic. Yeah,
because I knew that Mummy was very promiscuous and had several relationships for fun
and also for serious. And I know that I have lots of siblings littered
all over the world, but that's all I really know. I don't know
who they are because it's not like she talked about it or ever said any
names or anything like that. So I just know that, you know,
she would come and go, and yeah, she cared about her family,
but would lose track of time because she was she lived so long. Yeah,
yeah, gosh, I don't know how we would. Yeah, I
don't know how it would because unless you live in the kind of well now,
and we're getting into fucking stuff as to whether you believe magic came back,
and then therefore there was obviously the potential for magical means, but there's
also the potential that Suna saw it in that one moment where she knew everything.
I don't know if it's something that you know, like when I did
imagine that happening, I did imagine it, like starting from the beginning and
then it was like timeline of everything coming together and happening. So in that
moment, would have seen mummy, you know, give birth to your grandparents,
that kind of thing. Probably, But so maybe somewhere in the back
of her mind she knows, but I don't even after that moment, I
was role playing it as it happened very quickly, and she knows somewhere,
but she can't recall that information anymore, like it's too much, too much
info, right, So yeah, and I definitely think Cairo felt a familial
connection to Suna and was sort of falling into this role of like, well,
I'll protect her and she'll protect me and she can teach me things and
stuff like that. So depending on how receptive or not Suna was to that
would dictate, you know, how close they grew over the years. But
yeah, I don't know if they yeah, Cairo would ever know. So
for those of you that don't have any idea what we're referencing, I have
on the screen if you're listening a family tree, which I call the Savras
family tree, but read into that however you wish it's the mother new mayor
of family tree more directly, which has sooner related to Cairo and verreas Antia
and Zira as well as a couple of characters that were in Dustbow. Well,
I guess you know it's kind of related. And yeah, me and
people trying to work it out, you're like cousins or something. It's really
weird because there's so many strange generations between it. And also, just while
we're on this, real quick like, apart from air Gwin, I didn't
put anyone who wasn't directly mother Numeerror blood on this thing. Only Airgwin,
just for reference, which is why it doesn't show you, like the the
partners and stuff like that. It's really just to show you the general layout
of how this worked out for numeraor with her bloodline, because it's these are
the people with the new Mirror blood, and so Cairo and Souna are kind
of weirdly related, and it was something that I wanted to mess with at
the end. I'm going to get rid of that image now, but if
you want to look at it, it is pinned in the discord, the
Dying Order discord channel on table story. I also just want to plug in
how all a character Sirah was. She was a total portrait of a hero,
and I just loved her, just that feeling of power being around her,
where she was like, she'll crush anything that attempts to come near you
sooner, and it just felt really protective and I really liked that character.
I'd love to see more. Weirdly, it's what everyone is. Therefore,
tia Vera's Cairo Sirah kind of a pope, but ip I was, well,
if I was, I guess part of the plan. Maybe because you
knew we didn't have magic and I could actually die. Yeah, and so
yeah, that was like the Fellowship of the Sooner and yeah. I mean
it's up to your interpretation of what new Mira was up to, whether this
was why she did it, or whether she saw it as a fringe benefit,
whether she planned everything that meticulously or it fell into place. I know
what I think, but it's up to you for some of it. Let's
see what else did we have? Do we have? We were still doing
a thing right. We went around everyone covered what everyone was potentially up to
the last couple of questions, what did KPB think and the cast think?
Of all his animated sequence? At the end, it was beautiful. It
didn't have ended any better. We all cried. I wasn't gonna out anybody
else except myself, but yes, everyone else cried like babies, Yeah,
babies. I will say that Muggles made it, But all I did was
I asked Muggles for an image and she animated it. So she sent it
to me as like an animated thing, and she went above and beyond.
I was like oh my god, this is so good. And I freaked
out as well. I didn't cry, Okay, I don't cry. I
immediately know him, so no one could see me cry. So you can't
prove it. That's how you just said. We know you went you no
count shut up. There's an awkward question for sooner, I think with like
with regards as soon as old family and the dad and the other because you
still have a family out there. Yeah, yeah, that you. You're
the one that walked out, and it's weird. You're like the yeah you
like kind of vanished pretty much one day. That was one of the tricky
things of the pool as well, is when Soon I came back, she
was like, I remembered all this stuff and had a family and all the
rest of it, and like he would know he'd been messing her for a
few months and was worried and everything, and then it was like, I
remember my kids and like my husband and like all this stuff. Because that's
the thing with sooner, bring an episode coming up. She well, she
up and left but forgot her forgot didn't really forget her family, but forgot
the accompanying memories a lot around it, and forgot her way home, right,
and she was gone for ten years. That's a very long time to
be gone. I did notice some Yeah, somebody asked a question like who
is Suna's husband. I did have a name in a bio for him.
His name was Lynn, but I specifically didn't answer what he was doing or
if he was alive, Like, I don't know those questions because Suna didn't
know. She just knows she was gone for ten years and that's a very
long time. And she did see her daughter traveling with the caravan during that
one moment that gift that Brad gave me where they saw each other and knew
Brad. The way Brad said it was like she knows what you're doing and
like your duty bound noss like what you're doing right now. And I think
that was the release Souna needed to go and live her life like she has
done her duty now and for ten years she's been kind of like, you
know, falling in love with her neighbor. And I think that getting those
memories back doesn't take away the fact that that's what she was going through for
the last ten years. So and ultimately she went through a process of not
knowing what to do but she's very much like her mother in that moving from
place to place, that kind of nomadic lifestyle, and she just she made
a home with with hippo piano. Badger asked, do you or your character
want magic to come back? Doesn't care if I didn't care, It cares
a little bit because of Sinner, But I think if it never comes back,
he loved his life that it never existed, you know what I mean,
for a long term. So before it ranger, all right, I
don't know. I never had decided like what his class would be, because
I seemed like he doesn't seem like he would. No, but if he
did, and I'm curious because he didn't ever mention it, everyone else could
cast magic by the end of the campaign. Yeah, Cairo was a ranger,
so she had a couple of spells. Or it was a ranger.
Bill used to be more magical, So yes, I want it back.
It was very magical. But he also feels he feels like a strange Bard
in that most parts are like jack of all trades, but they rely so
heavily on their magic, whereas I always seemed like he didn't rely on his
magic, but he could do yep. So I wonder whether do you think
he do you want magic bank or did do you think bo would? I
mean I think he would, but to use it for not selfish reasons.
He he before would use it for more selfish reasons, like to aid him
in his thievery and stuff. But yeah, I think he would use it
more to aid and help others. Yeah, they want it back. What
about Ellie? Because for Ellie the magic was I don't know, I wonder.
I think I think reformed l would say no to it. So I
think I think, uh, even even after realizing that she had lost all
her magical abilities but had been somehow like revived again and was living, I
think that she would rather have that than be magical. So hmmm, what
about Aura? Now she's okay, it's gone. I think like it's more
of like it was convenient to light things on fire or do things like that,
But she's okay not having it. Yeah, Cirah definitely would want it
back. Yeah, I mean not just for selfish reasons. But I think
Cairo sees it as a tool. You know, we were allowed to use
it, uh, And I guess the naivete creeps in a little bit there
too, where you know, she would think of all the good that could
be done. So, yeah, Karl wants it back. For the Inquisition,
it was like or for the Arcane Inquisition, it was their entire purpose,
right, So that's weird. You're in a weird place as well.
Parent would be in a strange thing, like you can almost certainly just join
the Standard Inquisition. You know, they still conduct investigations in their high level
security and stuff like that, but the Arcane Inquisition was a little aside from
that. It was something else. So you know, it's probably the most
prominent one as to whether you would or wouldn't want the magic back. I
think there are days where she misses it and then days where she is like,
oh, okay, life is fine without it. A lot of her
self worth was tied up in the ability to do magic, right her both
of her parental bloodlines was magic. It was just something that she always assumed
that she would have. Her mum would occasionally make comments like, oh,
you're not as strong as divination as I was hoping that you would be.
And so, you know, there's a lot of every thing in her life
about her self worth was wrapped around her ability to be able to cast and
do magic. So I think it was pretty jarring to just suddenly not have
that, and so yeah, I think there are days where she does wish
for that. Also, the way that I think that sorcerers and this is
just weird pb headcan and the way I think sorcerer's interface with magic is different
than say other casters. And I feel like sorcerers kind of really pull it
from the nature or they're kind of their blood allows them to connect with the
earth in a way that other casters don't, like they might need components or
something. And I feel like so sooner miss is that she doesn't sense the
energy in the trees anymore, she doesn't sense the magic in the world at
all, and I think that's a bit. I think she feels sad about
that. That that's an actual loss thing that I thought about a lot,
which is why all of the gnomes became a little sick and disoriented, and
just like for them, for you guys, you lose a sense or a
limb, you know, it's that kind of thing. You have this extra
element that is just naturally part of you that has gone. Now. Yeah,
and so anyone that was you know, part elemental or had some sort
of blood lineage that come from something else, or maybe you're tuned in some
way to magic, like the gnomes, the elves, anything like that,
even teeth things I guess would have it. But distinctly the numeraor right,
she was like elemental ish, and so a lot of the spells I would
choose were that, Like I chose soon As spells based on her bloodlines and
so like the lightning and air and all that kind of stuff. And then
to just suddenly be without that I think would be really weird, like a
random note that I had as Soon always knows when a storm is coming,
just like it's like, oh yeah, two days out, you know,
just the little tidbits of stuff like that that you would miss so severely when
it was gone. It would just feel so foreign and strange. I think,
Yeah, you're not a mortal thing like a human or an or you're
half magical. And this is probably going into some stuff that we'll probably discuss
in a little while outside of this portion, But what even is mother and
Numera? But for sure she isn't a moral thing. She is like an
elemental is probably the closest thing she would be to primordial in some way,
and your other half is a demon, and we find out that demons are
just people that failed, pure demons, the ones that were around, not
the ones that come from those ones. But the original sets of demons are
just the failed versions of the gods that you met, the ones that failed
in their cycles. And there's only a few of them that were the original
ones. But essentially your bloodline comes from one of those. So one of
your bloodlines is this lucrine based mortal immortal elemental thing, and also this prior
cycle thing that comes through. So you're not at all It's amazing you didn't
disappear like a bunch of things did, Like a bunch of shit just disappeared.
And I didn't get into it too much because I just thought, I'll
leave it up to everyone to think before all, we know, like all
the Griffins are gone, you know, stuff like that, like just went
anything like that, Like maybe the dragons are gone, do you know what
I mean? Like, yeah, yeah, so you it for you.
There's felt like really dramatic when I was role playing her a bit in the
beginning, like I worry that she was taking it too hard and that I
was like bringing the team down or like the show down by how just crazy
insane she was about the loss of the magic. But in retrospect, I'm
so so glad that it went that way because I think there's no doubt in
my mind that she would have felt all those things and that like helplessness and
you know, just that absolute shock of not having it anymore. Yeah.
So a couple more questions I don't want to ask answered. Ask this one.
I'm already freaking out because it's weird, but I'm going to do anyway.
Baldwin, how did you all like the ending and the way it was
done by Brad. I'm curious as to how you feel about this because I
was very nervous about this the second ending. The first ending I was all
good with because it was my final fantasy. You fight Sepher off Ultra Mesia
for whatever, Necron in some bullshit fight in heaven. You fight this huge
thing. It's the final fantasy ending. It's the big kind of combat,
you know, climactical, you know Avengers endgame situation that feels like an ending
to me, whereas this one, I was like, I didn't know that
you were going to have the combat. I'm really glad you did. I
think it works for the episode, just in my little kind of producer brainway.
But couldn't have happened. Not happened. You might have just walked into
a room with a baby and been like, what the fuck, Brad,
what even? What the fuck you know? And I just all that it
was pose you with a philosophical question and leave you to it. So I
was concerned about it. I was okay with it, like I kind of
knew what I was doing with it and what I was heading towards. But
I was curious as to why you were going to hate it or if everyone
as well viewing was going to hate it. And I was going to get
some comments. But that is a question from Bolwin. You don't have to
answer it. I think it was perfect, loved it. That was perfect
as well. Yeah, completely, it was completely unexpected. That's why I
was talking in there was it was it me and Bo that ran to the
door first, to the Queen's door, where it was just I think,
sadly, I think a bit of me crept in to Cairo there where it
was like I got to get to that door, but then I thought about
what Cairo would do, and it fit well enough that you know, I
was like, all right, well, this is what I really wanted to
see behind that door. And I was anything but disappointed when nothing that I
expected was behind that door, and the fact that we had to color in
you know, the ending was just insane. What did you expect? Did
anyone have anything? Like? Pretty confidently maybe and I thought that there's going
to be a pregnant queen in there. We thought maybe there would be a
pregnant queen. Yeah, I was. I was leaning towards that or the
old I was really kind of also hoping for the old man. That was
like fishing on a pier. But you know, when it became clear that
that wasn't going to happen, I was like, oh man, she's pregnant
or possessed one of those things. But I was not expecting just the street
up monstrosity behind the door. Yeah. No, I wasn't really expecting that
either. But yeah, I uh yeah, I was not expecting what happened,
and it was perfect. I wouldn't change a fucking thing. Do you
expect anything others? Is there anything? Or you just like I have?
I thought it was I don't know why I was bent on it being an
old man that I was gonna have to kill. Yeah, I just bent
on that being a thing. And then walking in and seeing a baby,
That's when I immediately got an anxiety spike and I was like, oh,
no, I knew you'd easily anything that was in there. It would be
really easy for you all to kill, but it maybe would be something else.
You'd have to question stuff because a lot of what I was doing in
this, to be honest, was using you as a science test. So
have you question yourselves in character out of character? You know, it's fun
for me to kind of explore that kind of element of role play a little
bit, so I had to kind of do something like that. But also
just for the record on law and logic sense, it makes a lot of
sense to me that Daveki would be just a child born because he's never been
here since cycle one. You know, like he's just reborn. And I
guess depending on how you interpret the ending, if you know, chaos is
reborn in Aura or is restarted and in any sense or a seed in some
way carried by Era or all of you in something like that, whatever you
however you want to interpret it, there isn't an answer, sorry, and
we'll get into that in a minute. Then it would be the reflection if
if she's chaos and he's control, you know, he would also be a
baby and she would be a seed or you know, whatever it is.
So it made a lot of sense to me. But also, you guys
have had so much over this campaign of references with your own family and parents
that it was even better. So it really made sense to me to do
that. But I was I was real worried we were about to end this
thing on a just a murder of a child. I knew that if I
shot an Era, which I i, the hesitation that Ellie would showed showed
that she had changed a lot, because if there had been beginning Ellie or
undead Ellie, she just would have walked in and shot it. Yeah,
well that's what Rim was doing. Yeah. Rim was honestly there so that
if you guys a needed someone to do it for you, he would have
done it. But you also have the someone on side of kill the child,
and then you have the other guy who's on the side of, you
know, we have to protect the child nature and notes argument. I was
pretty confident that Ellie was going to try and kill the baby. I was
like, well, if she's gonna if any of them are going to be
more likely to be on that side, it's certainly Ellie. I wasn't I
didn't know where everyone was going to go with it. I really wasn't too
sure, but I was pretty confident. If I had to put my money
on anyone, I would have put my money on Ellie being on the side
of killed baby, because she is kind of the one that like is like,
this is what we do definitively, but also the answer is always death.
So I was like, yeah, that's potential almost I was. I
mean, I was very prepared for it. I was very prepared for it.
There was a lot of things that make sense for kill baby Dave.
I think probably we wouldn't have seen it. I wouldn't have like dramatically described
how you know that we would have murdered this baby. I think probably I
would have had gone to black. Decision was made, right, Yeah,
Ellie, let's fire fires the arrow or you know, Grim brings down the
sword, and that would have been the ending, I think in my head.
But I was stopped Ellie from killing Grim though, and I was like,
I know, I know Ellie would probably guess, but I know that
as soon as probably or probably going to try and stop it. That is
why I chose to shoot, because I had dead eye, so it was
guaranteed to hit. Yeah, I figured. I figured that something like that
might happen. I figured also if it would come to like a avenge of
civil war moment where everyone runs at each other, that would be a good
place to cut as well. Like it would have probably been a little bit
less satisfying, but we couldn't. We didn't have time, and I didn't
want to go over it and over and over it in any kind of Yeah,
you know, I didn't want to run a combat there between. Yes,
PvP combat. The last thing I ever wanted to end this one was
a PvP thing. But I also posed you with a question that was the
most likely to yeah, So yeah, I kind of figured it. I
was kind of prepared for a lot of it. But for me, the
way it worked out was perfect as well. By the way, it was
amazing, It was a perfect water. It was so good. Yeah,
I wouldn't have it any other way. My anxiety brain is reminding me to
clarify something that has come up here that is what Suna is proud of,
by the way, not that she shot Toby or that she made a decision
to shoot, but that she hesitated, she thought, and then made her
own decision, whereas before she's spent a weapon her whole life, and in
that moment, Sooner saw her being like, no, this is my choice,
this is my decision, and I think this is what's best. So
just to clarify that, that is what she's proud of. Yeah, So,
last thing before we send you off to schedoodle World. Any questions that
you guys have for each other. Nope, I get out. I'm kidding.
If you guys have any last things that you want to question, you
can even question me. I guess as well. If you wanted anything from
me. No, I think it was resolved really nicely. Honestly. We
also discussed this for a while we were on a call at the end last
week. Yeah. I really like that you had Zach there as well,
because between shooting Toby and that like being like oh no, and then and
then Zach showing up that broke me and I like, I told you guys
this last week after but I've never cried during a D and D and I've
cried twice during this one. M h, Brad does that, I'm sorry
made me cry. I thought it was important to have Zac there in a
way, considering especially the fact that we were about to even though you guys
didn't know deal with this kind of child parental theme that was coming up a
little heavier towards the end. So I'm really glad that no one worked out
it was him. You guys made two roles I think at one point,
and just failed them. Both failed well, you know, sooner like kind
of passed hers. But the answer was no, you've never met him before.
She was busy killing a gnome and stuffing his body into a barrel outside
and just getting away with murder, which we've all forgotten about murder. Hope.
Bo was just kind of cool, Like I felt like I knew him
because of my connection in my brain. I was like, oh, that's
my connection with Ellie there. She's just described him or I know him or
you know know of him that I'm like, oh, there's something about you.
I didn't recognize it. Well, yeah, I was an armor,
to be fair. Yeah, and he was going to try to disguise himself
from anyone. It would be you right, that's like that if that was
his main goal was to fool you, then you didn't stand the chance.
You also probably just shouldn't underestimate the leader of the guild, like although you
have come this far, he's still you know, in charge. So it
was a nice thing that like keeps Ellie a little humble for the last moments
that we see her as well, that you know she wasn't just all knowing,
all powerful Ellie, because that was a theme that I didn't want Ellie
to be all powerful Ellie at the end of it. Really I did from
the side of me that was watching this like an anime, and Ellie was
just like Tokyo goll becoming this insanely over like super powerful thing. But I
kind of, for my my thematical brain didn't want her to be too powerful.
So it's kind of nice that she doesn't know everything all the time,
and this one thing she overlooked this important moment. I guess, all right,
anyone got anything else? I just want to I just wanna say something
because this is in regards to Bow's butt. I've been seeing this chat.
I don't think bo ever got his butt done, because that that's his battle
scar to carry and and a reminder you know, hey, I I I
went through this and I'm I'm I'm a survivor. And you know, even
though he probably would have wanted a whole ass, if you got it done,
it probably would have been half assed. And Elie makes fun of it
every chance. Yeah. I was just gonna say, there's probably something there
that he doesn't you know, he wouldn't want to lose that. Yeah.
Yeah, hopefully that's one of the things that makes your smile. Yeah,
yeah, it probably is. Yeah, before we go to break, I
just want to say what an honor it has been doing this campaign in the
story with your absolutely every minute then it was. It was such a blast,
and and thank you for trusting me with it. And I hope I
did justice. No need to hold more than justice. Yeah, so much.
There was so many points with Hippo that just built so like you you
dropped the value of the Vandri and King thing out of nowhere, Like I
didn't plan that with you just did it. And it was like, this
is insane. You know that he would do this is the type of thing
that I don't ever try and control characters as much as I possibly can,
but the fact that you went and did that is amazing. It just lends
so much to it. So I'm really glad that you're yeah yeah, and
the same for all of you. I think you all did so well with
the bullshit that I threw at you at points in this campaign, like this
didn't go off without a hitch. For me, I revisions and I changed
a lot of stuff, and I was really messing with things, and I
was kind of getting funky, and for like, I was guilty at some
points just being like, I'm not even running a D and D. I'm
just fucking around and I'm doing all this stupid shit, and it's like,
you know, I felt guilty that I wasn't just kind of running a basic
D and D, and I was worried that it was overly complex, and
I'm considered like I'm having to kind of tie up loose ends for the previous
campaigns and the setting as well as trying just run a weekly D and D
session that's fun, viewed, show off and play the dungeon and a puzzle
to do. So I was very concerned with a lot of that stuff,
and I felt like a lot of time it was very overwhelming, and all
of you just took it in your stride and then used it and excelled and
really helped me to put out like my vision. But also, it's not
like this is my book and my you know, it's not like I want
full control over it. But the fact that everyone does their part to build
it into something that I've spent literally years of my life thinking about and writing
and stuff really lends to it as a piece of art I guess from and
something that I care about a lot. So to have you all do so
well in these roles and give yourselves to them and also be so goddamn good
at it that it is better than something that I could ever just write by
myself is amazing. So thank you all for being such great players. And
that goes for the other two casts that I had in my previous games.
But here, I think especially it was there were points where I was like,
Oh, they're gonna hate this. I'm I'm gonna know what the fuck
is going on? And you know, I was being purposefully subversive with things
like it was the point, and there were themes that were hidden that were
supposed to come up later on. Lots of recurring stupid things, and like,
I was concerned that you guys would just kind of get annoyed with it,
being kind of bloated, and maybe you just want to go and kill
some goblins in the forest for no reason. You know, there's goblins in
the forest, no one cares go and kill them. You just go kill
them and come back. Well, we're all floored and honored to be here.
Well the reality of how we feel. Yeah, but still thank you
very much for being an excellent cast. I really loved all of your characters
you all brought it. It was really nothing to do with me, you
know. I feel like I'm very happy with my world and the campaign,
but it literally would have been nothing without you all playing these characters the way
you did, so I appreciate it. And the other really only one part.
There's only one part, just one where I question this, and that
was a spider in the beginning, and I was like, if this is
telltale of what I know? Yeah, it was horrific, but I actually
now in the end, I'm glad that it happened because it helped me to
really frame this campaign for myself. But I wanted it to be like an
orthodox campaign. I really was like, I'm going to run something that's a
little more standard, and I was like, I'm just going to I'm going
to have combat tables, I'm going to make it. I'm going to be
neutral. I'm going to be a bustard. I'm not going to be the
easy going GM that i've been. If they run into a fucking cr spider,
it's just on them, you know, you got to run deal with
it. What do you do? You know, it's just the classic DM
question, you know, what do you do? This is what's happening?
What do you guys do next? And it was horrible because it's so antithesis
to what I usually do. I was like, oh no, and now
they hate me, you know. And KPP was like natural one going down.
I'm like, she's gonna I thought I might have to get a new
character, but I didn't. Yeah, there was a few points where I
was like, oh man, but yeah, I'll probably discuss that after the
break as well, because the points like that at the beginning really helped me
to frame and then I rewrote the whole campaign after that, after Dustbell,
during the thing that I completely flipped this thing on its head and changed my
whole approach to it after that beginning. So how cool was it that we
got to fight a spider after we were the same spider after we were super
bad as cool? Yeah, because I mean that was kind of the point.
But yeah, I think that's completely fair for you to question all those
things because I was doing it as well, scratching my head. I was
like, fuck it, I'm going to win this campaign. Now pull the
plug. All these people. We almost faced the beholder as well, but
peebe oh yeah, flipped the dice. Yeah, yeah, and I've never
face was so good. Behold again, I'm glad there wasn't one of them
was so bad. Yeah, that was so bad. Yeah, And I
would have killed you guys as well, Like this wasn't like a campaign where
you know, you're like the chosen ones with the prophecy. The prophecy fit
all of you, all three of you, the three that could have fitted.
So if Orra had died to that, Spider probably wouldn't have killed her
in that first second episode because it's ridiculous. I would have been like some
plot armor would have come in and saved you. But had you died within
you know, some early portion, then or it would have been dead,
you know, if you're about to write a new thing, and it would
have been a whole other thing. So this isn't like, although I think
this campaign worked out really well and actually makes a lot of sense as just
a piece of writing. If we've made it into a book together and read
it, it really could have gone so differently it's insane. So it's pretty
crazy that it worked out the way it did. I'm really happy with it,
and thank you all for being in it and being so good at what
you all do. Any last final words before I bring down the guillotine upon
you ll kick you off the show. Finally, it was amazing D.
Yeah. I just wanted to say You've been a really incredible world for us
to play, and it's honestly been really cool to be jammed by you.
And I've played D and D a few times now and I really like the
way that you run D and D. And I'm like so excited that I
got to be a part of this epic story that you've been working on for
years. So I just want to give you some kudos, Brad, because
you are very talented and I hope you know that thank you. I do,
Yes, I know for you. No, No, not at all.
I've been freaking out for three years of campaigns and it's not like I
went into this one with any confidence. And I was really shook several times
where I was like, man, this is awful and they hate me.
But I think that's just sometimes that comes with the dming territory. You know,
it's kind of scary being up here and kind of in charge of facilitating
everything. But I'm really glad that you guys enjoyed it. You know,
wat's and all. I guess does it all? Yeah, this was my
first ever like D and D campaign create an amazing world for me to be
a part of, but you all made me feel so welcomed and I cannot
thank you enough. Everybody, seriously, thank you, thank you for filling
in for this week. It's so weird when I want to call with this
bine she doesn't have all the face is at the end, like when when
when the stream ends and then there's we just got Yeah, I'm going to
miss it. I'm going to miss showing up every week. And I would
have run this forever really, but I learned a while ago that you shouldn't
you know, you push it too much and everyone. All stories come to
an end. You got to do it, and I'm really really happy with
this one. So we're going to go to a break on the stream,
and when we come back, it's not over for questions. We'll deal with
questions for the CRIN and the law to do with dying order, any kind
of a lot of people asking me. It's all sorts of questions just to
wrap up, because it is a confusing world now, and this was this
campaign is designed to kind of answer a lot of those questions. But anything
that you wanted answered, or anything that you were unclear about and you don't
want to have to sift through hours and hours of vodds, you can ask
myself. PB's going to join me to just be here and hold my hand
while my brain attempts one last time to recall all of this law from years
that I've at this point forgotten most of it as well. And we'll also
cover a couple of questions if you have any from the previous two campaigns in
the CRIN, which are Dark Fire and does Fail. They will be like
right at the very end of it. But we're going to go for a
little break now, Go pee, go grab a drink, a round of
applause for my wonderful cast of dying order. They made it special and they
did their their very best and went above and beyond in every single case.
So thank you again everybody, and we will see you after the break.
Make sure you catch all of these wonderful people on their streams and things.
Now is the opportunity to go and follow them at their streams and twitters.
And all the handles and things are on the screen right there or links if
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Thanks for watching. Bye from this lot by and you you'll be back in
a moment. Well, come back, everybody, Just me and PB now
to answer some more questions things and stuff again. I'll try and answer things
as succinctly as possible. It's there's a lot of stuff in this which I
purposefully left ambiguous. There's a lot of stuff that purposefully has dual meanings so
that you can interpret it two ways. There's a lot of stuff that I
will straight up not know the answer to because I've forgotten it and it might
take me too long if I can probably search through my documents and stuff.
But while I am the GM and the sole creator of this law and world
setting, not all of the characters in it, but you know, the
NPCs and the world and all the bullshit, I don't consider myself to be
the true arbiter of everything. Just because I think one thing doesn't necessarily in
my head mean that that is the case. But I can tell you with
what I was working with. In some cases, I went with one thing
and changed it later. On some cases, I, for one episode would
work in the idea of one thing and go with that as being the truth,
just so that I had something to reference. But really I knew was
you know, ambiguous or different. So I'll try and answer the questions and
we'll see where we get to. For now, we'll just deal with ones
from Dying Order, if there's time and if we want to, and if
there are any specific things. I know some people have been kind of bugging
me for years for questions for dust Fell Yes and Dark Fire that I left
in case I ever ran something like Dying Orders. So we'll get to those
towards the end, maybe, So what where do we want to start?
I have a couple of shotguns that I'm just going to throw at you.
Ticket is started here. Who was the guy in the Time Temple? Straight
up spoiler for dust Fail saying I'm not going to do it? Yeah,
we're doing Should we come back to that? Yep if you'd like, Yeah,
okay, let's come back to that one towards the end, because I
think it's going to be better for me to explain a lot of stuff to
do with Dustfell. So when we get to anything that's like dust Fell spoilers
or Dark Fire hard spoilers, I will just we'll bump and we'll try and
get back to Okay. Then I have one that's related to essentially you rewriting
the whole campaign after the Racknid encounter. This question comes from inorganic saying how
long do you think the campaign would have lasted if the party had chosen to
go to the gate of Time last? Also, how much did you have
prepared for the other gates and was it frustrating to have them unused? So
let's do this in segments. How long would it have lasted if the party
had chosen go to the Gate of Time last, so I have to go
back again. The campaign was designed originally when it was called The Gates of
One in twenty sixteen, when I first wrote it. Yeah, he go
to all seven gates. Then you're able to access God. And God was
going to be corrupt in some way, and you deal with the God.
And that was the entire story. So I knew that this was what Dying
Order was going to be, even though I went away from that, and
I did Dust Fell and dark Fire, and those were peripheral to that story.
When I wrote this, I knew I wanted it to be a race.
I was interested in this kind of trick, this like you told to
race. I knew that it was a bullshit race. Why did that interest
you? Because? Okay, so let me throw up on the screen the
first thing I ever wrote down or this campaign. Let me just see where
I saved it, because I think I have it as an image if I
don't get annoyed with myself. I wrote down the concept there it is,
so it says for those just listening, it is about power corrupting. It
is about what lengths people go to to hold onto that power and how that
power corrupts them further, how that established power can become so entrenched into the
fabric of what we understand that it becomes the known truth. Weirdly, I
think society has been dealing with this this year before I even realized what I
was doing. But I've always been very obsessed with it, just privately,
just I'm always wrestling with the idea that power corrupts. I've found myself always
on the receiving end of somebody in a position of power using it in a
way that makes me not feel good, you know, whatever that is.
You know, being born poor was the first one, and stuff like that.
So I've always kind of had this weird, sort of subconscious obsession with
people that are in positions of power. I'm quite anti authority. If you
only know me from table story, I'm pretty well behaved here. I'm pretty
much just my creative DM self here. But you know, I'm a very
kind of I'm unhinged, I'm uncontained, and I've always been very interested in
it. So when I came to write this, I wanted to I wanted
to explore that a little bit. And so I knew that whatever they get
you to do, whatever the fucking quest is was just going to be bullshit
because it always is with these people, you know, That was my brain.
I'm like, it's always you think you're doing one thing and you're like,
ah, you've been strung along, and then you find out that actually,
you know, it was something else, or you've or you've actually just
been helping some other ulterior motive of someone, or there was someone else above
that guy that was in charge really you know, or something, or ultimately
what you've been doing has been fruitless or pointless or whatever. So I knew
that these guys were going to be these like CEO fat cats, you know,
something like that. Whatever in your head do you see because you know
whatever it is some politician, you know whatever. So whatever was happening at
some point, it was going to be revealed to you to be bullshit.
Because I also knew that I wasn't going to have a villain, the quintessential
villain that I've always liked to put into these things for you to chase around
and hit with a club and deal with. So I needed the villain to
I needed you to hate them eventually at some point. So when you find
that you've been beguiled, and you've been wasting your time doing this thing,
whether it be because I didn't know whether you were going to go around do
all seven, whether you're going to do four at the time, I knew
that the when when you found out, I wanted you to be pissed off
with them. I want you to be like, fuck this system that you
feel the way I feel. So that was why I knew that it was
going to be some sort of bullshit. But I needed a hook. I
needed a campaign. You know, I need a D and D game because
it's all these themes and bullshit and symbology and metaphor and all that floating stuff
in it. But I also needed a dungeon, you know, whatever,
campaign for you to play. So how long would the campaign of lasted the
Party Chosen goes to the game of Gate of Time last. Here's the thing,
the whole campaign changed at the Gate of Time that you can pinpoint the
moment that I rewrote this entire campaign pretty much from the ground up, and
it's when Futureura comes back and Reese and sets you on a new quest.
Up until that point, you were playing let's just say campaign A for now,
ye. So I wrote campaign a to be a quest around four of
these gates. I wanted you to go to four different locations in the world.
You depick them, and at some point, probably around the fourth gate,
was when you would find out that, in fact, you're not opening
them, they're already open, and that you could have gone all along and
you're too late. This was all a ruse. I knew all of that
stuff. That was always what it was going to be. It was always
going to be a ruse, and that you were wasting your time because they
want you to waste your time so that you can't actually win, because I
don't want to lose, because that's relinquishing power, and the whole point is
that Dyvakull never relinquishes power. I then just wanted some thing, and I
didn't have this mapped out. Something to happen at that point that I guess
would have been a dio sex maccina or whatever. And I'm okay with dio
sex macin or in D and D. By the way, I hate it
in movies and shit, I hate it so much, but I think it's
necessary in these things. So I wanted it at that point or whenever the
point came that you realized and you wanted to go after them that you were
able to. I knew it would be something like the Axis Monday thing that
I did. I knew that you were hot. There was an eighth gate.
One of the first things I shared in the discord was just the number
eight. An image. Yeah, the number eight, which could have also
been the hour glass, right, hour glass? There were eight questions.
Thanks. There was recurring eights, way more so in the beginning because I
had you know, I only had half a campaign in my head. So
how long would it have lasted if they went to the gate of time.
I don't know. It would have been a different campaign. The only good
thing for me about you going to the gated time is it allowed me to
use the gate of time to send or a bank to set you on a
new path. So Campaign A stops at that point. I played campaign out,
Campaign A out in my head already. I then did the whole campaign
with your characters as I knew them, at like episode ten. I don't
know when that works exactly, played it all out. You guys lost,
You've failed. I don't know what happened. Bo's dead, Ellie's dead,
Orra sees an image a painting on her mantle piece when she goes to kind
of she meets with her dad at one point and she sees them or in
her red Ellie is not a lifeless So you guys must have in Campaign A
cured her of the lifelessness and maybe gone after the hag wasting more time you
guys went around, didn't Maybe she never stole, No she did, she
never got cursed. Oh she did. Because it's after it's from the date
of time right where the split, the divergence happens a fair so I like
it because it seems like you were doing all these other things. You went
and you found the Hag and dealt with the first you went around the world.
You wasted your time, you failed. Aura goes back in time and
tells you now, who are now in Campaign B, that it was all
bullshit. We've already failed. You've got to do it without you will you
will fail without that ability. So at that point, and it's the perfect
way to rewrite what up until then, it was just an orthodox campaign.
It was me feeling a little out of my comfort zone running something that is
just rules and tables and you know, dice rolls and not really flair and
cinematography and you know, themes and doing like crazy shit because I think it
would be cool. I wasn't rule of calling much. I was just going
with a spider appears before you. Yeah, you're dying of dehydration, you
know, like stuff like that. Here is a dungeon that I've prepared in
the most standard way I've ever prepared a dungeon. And then I went,
no, fuck all this. I don't like it. I don't like what
it's really like, Like Pocket was saying, like she was like, I'm
not sure here. I think at the time, I wasn't enjoying It didn't
feel as much like you guys were having as much fun as I've not that
you guys weren't having fun, but like as much fun as I'm capable of
providing for a group. Yeah, didn't feel as much like a show.
I felt like we were playing D and D and that's fine. Why did
you because you said this a couple of times during the prep for Dying Order.
You were saying like, oh, I just want to run an orthodox
campaign. Was that bullshit? Was? I mean, I mean you did
want to run it, but what were you trying to run? It purposely
orthodox, so that we could have that during experience no where you were trying
to No, you just wanted to run No. I did want to run
an orthodox campaign, partially to represent the control element. Yeah, but actually
I just felt as a GM after finishing Dark Fire that I couldn't remember the
rules. It come up so many times. We even had an argument in
discord with someone who was like slamming me for not knowing every specific little dn
D five E rule. By that point, I knew what I was doing
all this shit, but I just felt like I was like a little I
was playing a little too fast and loose with the rules. And it's kind
of like I'm not much a fan of there's one thing where you know the
rules and you break them in a way that's purposeful, and there's one thing
where you're just kind of being lazy and you've forgotten because it's been years since
I read the PHB twice front and bank pretty much in twenty fifteen, and
then never read it again, you know, like I wasn't never brushing up
on my rules. The only thing is I would sometimes look stuff while we're
playing, so just over time, it's kind of trace decayed away. Yeah,
so I just kind of wanted to brush up on the pressure. Yeah,
that was what I was doing. I really wanted to just wondering if
that was subversion. That's why I asked. Well, pretty early on,
I before that episode, like it was many weeks before we actually saw Futurura
do the hero nakamurror moment that I decided to go against it. So it
was really early on that I went, do you know what would be kind
of cool is actually if I began to bloat them with power and I began
to just continue to play fast and loose with the rules and just over the
course of this whole thing, slowly diminish the rules until there aren't any with
my intention being later on we switched a quest. I wasn't planning on switching
the system. I was just going to reduce you to level one. Yeah,
and switching the system was genius. I'm so glad you decided to do
that. Yeah, switch in the system was way better. You know,
I don't plan things too specifically at the beginning of a campaign because it's silly.
Yeah, of course, which also answers change in here. How much
did you prepare of the other gates. Nothing basically. But also I've always
known everything about the gates, so I've kind of half prepared everything in this
Yeah, setting, I know a decent amount about the gates, enough so
that one week you go, we want to go to this location, so
that by next week I've got it set up. And I also knew that
you weren't going to be like Halo dropping into the gate. You were going
to be dropping nearby, so that there was some venture to the gate.
Each of the gates was a pilgrimage, so it wasn't like you. I
needed to know everything everything. I'll build the dungeon in a week just that
I have a question for you. Follow up. Sorry to not go to
the document. Please give me. I will get this. This is all.
This is just go with your periphery. Okay. Yeah, I when
you wrote this in twenty sixteen, why did you not run this first?
Well, so I had this prepared. Wang was in it. Wack had
a character that he wrote, made made character. I had other players cast,
other streamers were in it. I straight up cannot remember the reason why
we didn't run it. I want to say it was scheduling. I don't
think there was any drama. Sometimes these things go down in drama. But
I think it was just some weird scheduling thing. I was extremely busy.
Twenty sixteen was like really was like, I think I came up with this
like six months to a year after I had first started dming, and I
was running like two campaigns, and I was working full time and I was
doing my own stream and stuff like that, so I was really, really,
really busy. I remember just thinking like, if I do this,
I'm probably going to burn the fuck out. Yeah, So I know that
that contributed to my reasoning. I can't really remember. Maybe I can question
work on it one day if you can remember. But it just didn't happen.
Sometimes you work on stuff and it doesn't happen. These projects are millions
of these things start and don't happen all over the place, and there's just
nothing you can do about it. So I just didn't run it. That
was it. I made a kind of setting, I made an idea of
how I knew I wanted to begin it. I knew kind of what the
story in the campaign would look like. Then it just didn't happen, and
it just sat on a shelf in a Google doc Gathering Dust. Then I
ran I Think. Then I ran Fractured World, which was something I ran
on John Samun's channel. It's very good. And then I ran Storm King
Thunder, which was the first thing that I ran under the table Story brand,
and that was on Protato channel before we even had table Story the channel
and stuff like that. Then I was building another campaign and I didn't want
to run it. I've changed my mind on that. I was like this,
I'm not going to enjoy running. So I changed my mind and I
rewrote a new thing. But I found myself in this kind of crunch position
again where I was running Fractured Worlds on a Thursday, and I needed another
campaign setup because I had done the thing which I'm sure you can't relate to,
where you get over excited and you cast and prepare a show and announce
a show and then go why have I done this? I don't have the
time for this. And it was called dust Fail, and I was like,
all right, well here's what I'll do. I've got this like world
that I made last year. I'll just take this random part of the world,
no stop it where I had how this came to be? You were
like oh, I'll just take this. Yeah, I had LaCrin in existence,
I had the Gates of One campaign, but I was like, this
is like two epic, and I didn't want to do that running an epic.
Yeah, Franktord Worlds was my final fantasy epic. I really wanted to
do something different. I don't like running the same thing every time, which
is ironic because they're all the same thing kind of but they're not. You
can probably you can probably make an argument, yeah exactly did they have the
same elements but they're not the same, right, and everyone has a favorite.
Yeah. But then so I looked at the setting and I went,
oh, I've written all this shit. I don't need to do this tonight
now. So I just went, well, i'll take that, and I
put that down. I went, there's this world called the crin They've got
all these magical gates and stuff. So what if I took this one,
this desert one, and I did something with like a western theme and I
put like trains in it and guns and stuff. So, because I'm looking
at Franktured Worlds, which is your classic high fantasy kind of a parallel world
thing going on, and I was like I want to do something different.
I want guns and want trains, and everyone was telling me not to do
it. By the way, I remember getting all these comments from people like
no trains in my D and D, no guns in D and D,
and I was like, Oh, this is going to bomb, this is
gonna be the worst thing I've ever run. Yeah, but that's why I
had it. And two years later they released Yeah. I know, I've
learned since then not to listen to every Internet comment, but yeah. So
so I took dust Veil from this World and just used it because I already
had, you know, a couple of things written down about it. I
knew this the world. Sometimes when I'm running a campaign, I will just
go, you start in this town and I don't care about anything else,
and I build it as you go. But for this, I really wanted
to just know a little bit about the world around this continent. So I
went, I'm let me just use this thing. I've already written it,
and that's what I did. So that's why dust Fail feels like when you
watch it, it doesn't have the end game. The second half of dust
Fail deals with a lot of ship that comes up, and it answered in
Dying Order. Dustfell pretty much sets up Dying Order in a roundabout way.
They're not you don't need them. They compliment each other stronger than any other
two things I've run because of that, because as I was running out of
small, basic fetch quests and basic bitch bullshit for them to do, because
that was what I was running at the beginning of dust Fell, which was
pretty simple, get on a train and go around, Yeah, deliver this
thing from here to hear. I just kept going referring back to these notes
about the gates of one campaign, which has this huge date of time thing,
and I knew that there was this mecca that they were traveling to called
dread Tusk, and so I just kept referring back to these things and all
these interesting elements about what now is dying Order at the time. So when
you watch Dusveel, you will probably notice, if you watch it after this,
or if you ever watch it again or something, that it goes from
being kind of about a small group of people going about their quests and their
campaign and around it, there's all this stuff that aren't the directly pertains to
the gate, the gate of time where you end up and the primals and
stuff like that. So that's why. But yeah, that's all he was.
I just went, I have a pre made world. Yeah, that's
amazing though, So when when did the When was the moment where you went
this is a trilogy? How to where did dark Fire come into this?
This was only a trilogy. I guess at the end of Dark Fire,
I didn't know what I was doing when you realized why, I wasn't meant
to be start Fires like kind of set apart from these two. Yeah,
but it's still it still deals with you know, gates and a lot of
the like power struggle and the it feels like looking at it after the fact,
it really does look like you planned these themes from day one, whether
you intended to or not, from the get go. I think that there
was something going on in you, maybe because you are reflecting yourself so much
in the campaign where your personal journey is reflected throughout, But like I think
it's because it deals with bondage and freedom of your own decision, and then
Campaign three just kind of you know, knocks that out of the way.
It I think it's because I knew the big story first, yes, and
didn't do it. Yeah, And yeah, that's all it is. But
yeah, like they're all saying in theat micromedy, macro ground, global cosmic,
that is the way to look at it. So it does fail deals
with a group of people on the ground, boots on the ground, just
dealing with their everyday lives, going about basic quests and stuff like that.
And they they here is all of the like major shit going on in Lacrine
at the time that and directly influences dying Order and how we come into the
world of dying order about seven hundred, eight hundred years later on. And
here is the group in their campaign they like touch it, yeah, a
glance off of it. They have an impact on how dying Order is shaped
at the beginning of the campaign, what the world looks like, and stuff
like that. But campaign itself is like very very very much to do with
the group on the ground. And then they go to this major site.
The Gate of Time is probably the most important place in the crint. The
events and things that happen there affect everything else so much more than anything any
of the other gates. Obviously, we have the Gate of Fire, which
is in dying order and in dark fire that it has an enormous impact as
well. But I think them going there and going with the they went to
the other side of the gate and dealt with some stuff there is one thing,
but really they it's really a story about them. And then you look
at the stuff around them that's going on and you go, wow, that's
what made that happen and that's what caused this, and this is how that
ended up in that way. But then you've got a dark fire. And
what dark fire does is it sets up the cycles. It lets you understand
that there was a time before our time, yes, and what were they
doing and why is that important? And where did they go why? And
that became a really interesting question for me. So I'm there again running some
you know, I'm like, oh, you guys go shopping and buy you
buy a little cake in the shops and you guys are like, aha,
I'm going to buy a new loot or era and I'm there going there are
another eight cycles before they're well yeah, you know, and I'm like,
what's happened there and why and what is going on? So that sets up
that stuff really well. And that's me questioning it as well. While we
were planning through that. What is to deal with these cycles and specifically,
what are we dealing with here? Brad world of the original Inquisitor? Right?
And that's all I was doing for a lot of dark fire was me
questioning what is this now? On a cosmic level, what is this all
leading up to? Like? What who's this woman who's in every campaign?
You know? And stuff like that. I'm questioning all these things. This
is a selfish question. Were you planning on having her in the campaign before
I came to you and was like, I'd like to be loosely related to
No, she was always going to be in all of them because I fucking
love the observers from friends, yes, and the little doctors from Stephen King's
insomnia. And that's what she is. She's my observer. So then what
was your reaction when I was like, what about mother Numera? Like?
I was like, Oh, you just made my kind of like reference or
observer woman. Oh god, the whole thing so good. You just made
it the whole thing. Yeah, just allowed me to tie her in and
give your character because you were saying earlier on that you wanted to be a
support character, and I knew that you were going to be a support character,
So I knew that you would never be the one You're not my Luke
Anakin Skywalker bring balance to the Force chosen one story. But how would I
tie that in? And then how do I bring new Mara into it?
And why was she so? Was she just at these places because she's into
it? Which she just naturally drawn to these events where she somehow met your
party? Or she was there the day Drift wins the tournament, she's there
the afternoon that Thin June is destroyed. Spoilers chain now, But is is
she just there? Or is it on purpose? Is there a great you
have an answer for that? Do you have there is a great reason?
It's it's it's get mother. Numera is playing football, American football. She's
got the ball under arm and she's heading for the end zone. Is that
what it's? I don't know why I'm using an NFL reference. She's going
down the field. Man from from from year zero to Newmera gets fucking obliterated,
or well to beyond to sooner to sooner, making whatever choices she made.
She's just running down the field, avoiding everyone the whole time, like
that's her thing. She's going for the touchdown to try it or whatever reference
you want. So in my head, that's what she's doing. But is
she doing it in this like really pragmatic way. I don't think so,
And I don't think that she's like doing it. She's not like her whole
life isn't hyper focused on this thing. Her life is. She's living her
life, but she has this secondary thing where it's like I think to me
in the in our first initial call when we were building Sunna, you had
said, you know, I had said I kind of wanted to be that
traditional witch and be related to you know, we'd already decided being related to
Mother Numera, and you had said, okay, but no divination magic like
you, you're not very good at it. And but you said something about
magic that I really liked, which was, I think moments of divination have
come to you. Like the example you gave was you knew you had to
go to this one spot and maybe for like two weeks you just skipped breakfast
and you didn't know why, and then you get to this like wall where
there's a very thin and you know you have to go through there, and
suddenly you're skinny enough to fit through there. And that stuck with me in
building sooner because I think that's probably what Numer was like right, just like
in the right place at the right time. That's true chaos magic, just
like being there where she needed to be and just knowing intrinsically inside something is
going to happen here that I need to be present for. That's how I
hear as well. I don't see her as this like meticulous planning. She's
not got the Charlie Day thing. She's not doing the dark thing. They're
planning every little move and going to the right times exactly to change. It's
more chaotic wandering forward through time with an intention. But I think she is
enjoying herself. I think she is promiscisus. I think she's kind of and
you know she was. She was based on the Vistani, which are kind
of like romany gypsy styled characters from Raven Loft, and I think that that
is her. She's like that. She's a she's a sort of traveling woman,
but she also finds herself just in the right places at the right time.
But I also sometimes like, and this is why the Savres connection is
a question mark for me. I don't know if she was made by Savres.
I don't know if she is some sort of direct descendant. I don't
know if she was just influenced or she was trained or something. She just
can I say something something my theory, but don't answer because I don't want
to know. I only have theories as well. Okay, okay, my
theory is well. I thought about, like you know, true chaos,
and I really admire the way you put together the chaos magic because the way
you know, Mummy Numer operates as very chaotic and you see TV shows like
Dark where they're trying to like control stuff and it is very orderly, like
I have to go back to this and their following timeline, and she's just
like, I will be where I need to be when I need to be
there. And I love that. So I kind of feel like one day
she just was right, No, I think, and I love that idea.
Yeah, I think that's all it is. But was she was she
sent forward by Savus on this purpose because actually it was Savage trying to get
you to him because he's getting chained because having his Dark Fire moment as Deveki
is defeating him, probably chaining him into service and servitude to him, and
then he goes, all right, I need who's going to free me?
And it's Sooner. Yeah, you know, however many cycles later on,
yeah, so he knows that he does. He does one, he gets
one drop of something in and all it is is so that Sooner comes back
and frees him. Yeah or whatever. You know, there are probably so
many different possibilities that he probably put many in, like this one will do
sooner and maybe sooner we'll come back. But ultimately, if Sooner doesn't make
it, then you know this other one will, you know. I just
imagine this person like in front of this weaving wheel that sees all of the
possibilities and goes this thread, this thread, this thread, are the best
chances go right? So yeah, I don't imagine answer. Yeah, yeah,
I even have my own, but I don't. I don't. I
never wanted an answer for myself. I know that she was there from the
beginning with when when all of the first conscious things of minimum cycle nine begin
emerging. Mm hmmm. And this is before Rosegard and all the other villages
in towns are founded. This is just when you know it all begins.
She was there then, yeah, and then she's just all the way,
all the way Upton. You know there's a question actually related to this question.
Yeah, we do. It's okay. I'm actually answering a lot of
them. Hopefully you all are noticing that I'm not just straight up asking the
question. It's coming up organically. But this one I'm just going to slide
in here. So the question is, if mother and you Mara hadn't died
earlier, what would her reaction to losing magic have been. Was she so
magical that she simply would have died from that? I think that I don't.
I don't think it would have killed her in your case, so you
I think a lot of the elemental creatures, jin genies, ganassi, stuff
like that. I think they were just made mortal. I think they went
from being you know, innately magical to what was essentially a human. I
think that's what happens to them. They become mortalized, they lose their magic,
they aren't banished, and they don't die immediately. I think they just
become the same as all the other creatures, the elves that or the goblins,
you know, the humans. So I think she probably would have become
more I think she would have just become a young woman, essentially a human
woman. I don't know what her reaction would be to losing magic, because
it was even more I think of a central thing for her than you,
you kind of have elements divination. She would know it's coming and have time
to prepare for that. Right emotionally, maybe what if she did know?
What if she knew that that's what was going to happen, and so she
decided to go out this way at that moment of that stupid moment in that
movie where he's like, I've seen a billion futures and we only win in
one, you know, Like, I wonder whether she had that moment as
well. I think it would have. I think she wouldn't wouldn't like to
live without it, though. I think for her, she lives in this
tiny heart. She's got these magical cakes, she's got everything around her as
magic or she's lived, you know, one step ahead of the game.
Because of magic, she doesn't have the ties to family that you have.
She's a little more aloof and alien in that sense from soon as soon as
far more human. And I'm using these terms in you know, just loose
generic terms, but she is quite happy to just leave her family and leave.
Yeah. I sort of treat her a bit like a more of a
nature mother. And I'm not saying mother nature on purpose, because I saw
see chaos as mother nature honestly, But she's more like, you know how
like a cat will just bring up a thing until it can walk and then
they leave it forever. Yes, now all good with it? Yeah,
she does that. She's been doing it forever. Maybe the you know,
the first couple of kids she had, she maybe had a bit of a
different thing. But I really just think that's her. So I think with
that, I think it's gonna happen, you know, like they'll be fine.
I know they're planning things meticulously like dark Or does she just I just
think in her heart she's to let you go and I ten years ahead.
Does she only know what's around the corner? Or does she know everything from
the beginning of time to the end. No, I think it, at
least in my how I imagined her was that it came to her when it
needed to come to her, and she was very chill about when she had
the knowledge and if she did or didn't, and if she didn't know.
She was just like well, then it's probably not a big deal. It's
not important that I know that right now. She knew that her purpose was
you, and she definitely has love for her children and she loves that.
Yeah, that's true. But I think the way that she goes about that
love and interacts with it, and also maybe just sees her place her own
position in that thing, she's responsible about it. She knows that if she,
if she spends too long bringing you up and influencing you, you might
not do the thing that omally saves everyone from. Yeah, this thing.
So I kind of just played her like that, saw her like that,
But I purposefully kept a lot of information about her mysterious, even for myself,
because I find a very interesting thing, and I knew that she'd be
a recurring character. But I like to leave things ambiguous for me, like
I like my world to be magical for me. You know. It's yeah,
of course, not have everything worked out. So Noodle brings up a
good question that I also had. He says, Mother Numera acts almost like
the primals in that way, she's the primals without the control. Was there
that Jedi thing all along? Or did that happen by accident? You have
these like elemental chaotic chaos warriors, and then you've got the primals who want
So there's a recurring thing in all of this stuff. I guess less so
in dark Fire, but specifically in dust vol and I did it in Dying
Order actively, where there is a cyclical recurrence. Dust Veil. Now this
will be slightly spoilery, but I will speak a little on the themes of
dust Veil has a theme because there's more boots on the ground and it's not
called I looked at these cycles of war which exist in our world. How
we keep going through these cycles of war? I was very interested in it,
and I thought like, well, the difference between our world and theirs
is that they have people who can look into the future. You know,
they have a wizard that can just go one day, we're going to develop
something called a nuke and then we're going to enhance it with magic. What
is that? You know? Like, what this is an epic level super
nuke magical nuclear device, world ending device thing. None of these wizards,
no mortal wizard, is strong enough to see anything that day Evaki's up to,
which means the only thing they could ever see up to is their end,
and they just assume that they do it. They assume that they create
something that ends the world. They're half seeing vengeance, they're half seeing just
an apocalypse. So yeah, there is an apocalypse coming. Can I compliment
you for a second? You do that really well, the assuming part,
because so many players and gms will make assumptions based on little bits of information
and you go, well, that's just an assumption. We don't actually know.
Oh, but you will still write based on Okay, this character has
assumed this thing, so great, what happens, because that's what people do,
and I think a lot of gms get caught up in yeah, but
what's the truth? What's really happening, and you're like, doesn't matter.
This person has assumed that, So let's go forward and see what happens.
So we have these people known as the Ancients, who they enhance their divination
to the best of their ability. They enhance it even with magi skills,
because they go to the Gate of time to begin conducting experiments. We visited
the primals in all three campaigns, briefly, very very briefly in each one,
and the Ancients create they they see the end coming. They look at
the cycles of existence and they look at something and they go, something's going
to end us. How do we stop us? And there's that arrogance too
that slides in, you know, something kills us, what is it all?
It must be It must be us, because we're the most powerful,
you know, like Okay, Well they also just like they predict Arkanai.
Yeah, so they just they assume that and they're kind of right, like
and that's why the inquisition exists, right, yeah, kind of like yeah,
so then you have the primals looking at well, no, you have
the ancients looking at the fact that eventually an apocalypse will come. How do
you prevent that? We're all going to be dead and old? We don't
have access to immortal beings. They sort of do, but they don't.
So they come up and devise ways. They invent a thing that allows them
to stitch magic and things together, and they create these creatures that are designed
to do nothing more than predict accurately, and they make them as long living
as they can. They're actually a little dark and twisted. They sort of
siphon life from around because that was a theme in Dustbell as well. Yeah,
water clerics, you psycho I started watching Dustbel and was listening to your
description of these little children's slaves essentially, and how all, Yeah, Dustbel
is a nightmare. I know it. I know it's really hard. Every
time you were like, I love dust Fell, and I'm like kind of
an evil place. Yeah, but for her, she didn't see that,
right, Like she's just traveling up and down the coast and trading with random
towns. Family. Yeah, like she doesn't careful of twenty five seventy seven
or whatever it is. Is a little, I think a little less horrific,
Yeah, as the one that we see in dust Fail, the show,
which was a few hundred years before, because the evil Emperor is dead.
You know, we're in post evil Empire era. Yeah, that's true.
That's true. Yeah. That being said, so they create these primals.
The only way they can figure out how to elongate life is just that
necromancy. But looking at all the different types of magic, and they're like,
well, basically necromancy. So these primals are able to live a long
time. And the point of the primals is that they put one in each
government and then they just oh, you want to make that decision, you
go left, You're going to go right, go left. You know you're
going to go left, go right until they basically the point is until they
create the Arcani or they don't, or until they know what's going on.
It's just to avert this coming apocalypse. And they don't know when it is
or what it is stuff like that. They just know it's coming. There's
just no way to avert it because it's coming from this source that no one
can predict. They couldn't see. Yeah, it's impossible. You literally are
unable to because I have a nation magic no matter what level has to pass
through Savras. Savras is blocking all that shit off. The only person who
has a little kind of insight into Savas's numeraor But it's more just that she
can stay just ahead of him. Yeah, without being she puts too much
influence into the world. The eye of soro On turns on her and she's
done. So I think that's such an interesting like, that's such an interesting
thing that you accidentally put in your campaign unless you did it on purpose.
But I've asked you a couple of times and I think you said no.
But like just the way that is about letting go, because you said that
to me in character. At one point you were like, you have to
let go. And that's kind of the whole their whole approach, the chaotic
approach of just okay, what happens happens. Yeah, and if I try
to control it too much, then I you know, I'm not going to
succeed. I won't be happy or I won't accomplish my goal. Did you
intend to put that in diying orders so heavily or did it just happen?
I think that one, I think probably just was born out of everything that
I was putting in front of you and just my own subconscious Yeah, because
to me, there was no question watching your dark fire control and freeing from
the shackles and then immediately after that doing the chaos the alternate like you know,
just let go and what happens happens? Is it felt very philosophical and
very intentional. Yeah, well, I sort of. I think that the
chaos versus control theme is more overt in this one. Yeah, yours wasn't
yours. I called dark fire yours. Dark fire was not about chaos versus
control. It's about breaking bondage right of your you know, bondages or which
is control in a way. Yeah, but it was not so overtly,
but it was about the war between chaos and control. And also, dying
Order isn't entirely about chaos versus control. It's also about what happens if you
just remove control. Yeah. So yeah, but no, I don't think
it was intentional. I think somewhere in your brain. I think it's just
what you've been thinking about and it translated into the shows and it's great.
That's the case for almost everything. Yeah, yeah, I can't trace it
back exactly. Hmmm. So I have a couple of questions that are related
to Dying Order, specifically, what was the meaning of the questions? And
this comes from Gary Gamer? So thanks Gary? Uh, what was the
purpose of the asking questions? What does your character think is happening like when
an ability was used? What the character think manifest and make it true to
some effect? Or was there something else going on? Let me let me
think a second. Okay, So, so this is one of those ones
that has a dual meaning. But I have what is my definitive answer and
the one I was working with? Oh oh, do you think it's to
hear them both or just this one? I will will give you what I
think it is okay, and what and what what I was working with.
But also and me and Noodle have actually had a discussion about this where we
were like, it works both ways. It works both ways. So from
so the moment I said magic was gone for me, magic was gone.
Yeah, there is no magic. You're not holding onto any You're not able
to recharge it. You're not you can't roll a twenty and bring it back.
So every time you were doing these abilities that were innately magical or a
little psychic or a little whatever, I just assumed that you had a phantom
limb and you just can't quite let go of the fact that you don't have
this thing. And then I was thinking, like, well, we do
that anyway. You're anxious, you get worried about something for no reason.
In you be you think someone's after you, you get paranoid, you think
you know where your enemy is. You're like he's in this room. You
know. You convince yourself of these things, and you've been through this really
intense ordeal and you come out of it and you just believe a little too
hard in something with something. And if I was with your group and I
was suddenly thrown into your current and my other three friends are somewhere else,
I would be anxious as shit that they're in trouble. So I would just
be convinced that, like, oh my god, AHA's in trouble. You
know I'm doing that, and they'd be doing the same thing. So for
me, I was working in this realm of you have this is all just
bullshit, So I and I purposefully kind of played with it at the beginning,
but by the end of the last two episodes, I was like roll
at dice PB and you were like as seven and I was like holding up
three fingers because it's just that's all it literally was from how I was working
with it. However, I also am of a relatively and again I am
not telling you what it is. I really think it is just however you
see it. But I'm also kind of of the conviction that when Aura said
I don't want the magic and you all said you did, she passed Chaos's
final test. He's the only pure one everyone wanted power, but power is
today, Becky, that's the end. Whereas the only one of you that
won't is this chosen one who says she doesn't want the power. You wouldn't
it is the only person who is able to nurture this thing. So at
that point, is she carrying the seed of chaos? Does she become chaos?
Is she holding on to you know, point one percent of the chaos
energy which will slowly recharge and regrow. Or maybe she is able to influence
in some way and maybe actually you do each have a little piece, a
little something, just the tiniest little drop of something, and you're able to
to I think Baby Dave is her clover. That's my personal theory, and
I like it. That's I want to Yeah, because of that. That
one of those reasons is why I like it. Because it would be mirroring
throughout a lot of the of the campaign. But I like that she has
the ability to kind of nurture chaos and bring magic back because she was the
one that didn't I didn't want it really, Yeah, and so she's the
only one that passed that test. Now is that the case? I don't
know. Does she click at the end and she creates a spark or is
it just her fruitlessly clicking for another five seconds? Yeah? I don't know.
I I like both eventualities. I like the idea of watching that entire
end sequence where you're all holding on to a small piece of something specifically,
maybe through aura in some way. And I like the idea that it's gone
and that you've restarted and you've just that thing is like a just a remembrance
moment, you know, like you know you to be able to do that,
but you know, pour it down. The system is gone, no
matter how difficult it is. In this new thing you've created, You've done
it. You you are now in this new world and this is just a
baby you know or you know or is he somehow kind of in there and
are you just slowly rebuilding chaos and Dave Becky or control? And you know,
will it be different now with your influence? Will it be different?
Because this is the first time this has actually happened and wasn't recurring. So
I actually like both things. I like the idea of what it was.
But I was working because I like to keep a constant truth. Otherwise,
if I if I change my law every week, yes, it ruins everything,
and Piranha will be on me immediately. It'd be like you said in
episode two of Dust vol that this was the rule, and I'll go,
ah, fuck, what a hole, and amazingly you might not believe me,
and maybe one will come up one day. I actually genuinely don't think
I have any plot holes. I don't think you do it in this thing,
and I don't know how it's possible. But I'm actually really happy with
it. But there aren't any. So yeah, but some of that does
rely on ambiguity. Some of that relies on ambiguity. But also I think
it's helpful when we do have piranhas or you know, the people in the
discord that loring stuff up and you're like, oh, yeah to address that
kept me check they remind me of stuff, or I go, fuck,
there is in this campaign saying that because she's in the chat yet. Oh,
which is actually another question that I wanted to ask, but let me
just first do so wait, then, what was the point of what does
your character think is happening? You've dodged that beautifully unless you don't want to
answer it, because for me, again, I was working in the realm
of there is no magic, which means what you think your character is happening
is the only way to want to Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't
tell you that because I refuse to take control for your character and how they
self consciously believe there is no control you killed it. Yeah, okay,
so I also you are manifesting stuff maybe because you're the only people carrying magic,
so maybe the only I can't tell you anymore because I'm not your GM
and narrator. I've done the PB thing where I'm at the same time,
how I just said that, then that's what I did. Yeah, you
were like that. You probably would have weirded me out maybe six months ago.
By this point in our friendship, I'm like, oh, yeah,
we write the same thing. Is it's just before the end of Dying Order,
And I was like, if we wrote the same fucking campaign but told
it in a very different way, I'm going to oh my god. I
was literally in gone, like fuck it points but yeah, oh god,
I had the trilogy is just a subsidi gone, It's in there somewhere.
Yeah. Yeah, So I have a question, and I just want the
It's born out of my adoration for you as a GM that I think a
lot of people don't see you do this thing where you use your passive perception
score for the player and the character to kind of really weave and uplift each
character and you try to find like every campaign I've ever seen you do or
I've been into you do this where you you kind of pull moments either from
the backstory and make it relevant or you give the player an opportunity to kind
of like question what's on their character sheet and grow. So my question is,
like, for example, when you got when you heard Jesbe asking about
like bringing you Bo, how what was your process in going through and tying
Bo into this you know legacy or this story or this even prophecy. The
prophecy was hard, but the really I just don't care at the beginning what
you want to play, because I know that I can figure a way out
for you to fit in the grand scheme of things. And also what you
do is irrelevant to me because that's your thing. I don't want any control
over it. I don't want any more influence over it than is correct for
the story or the game. So with Dark Fire, you all brought me
the same conundrum that all of you had just left a position of bondage and
shackles chained and become unchained only for me. And I looked and went,
oh, the first thing I'm doing with these people that have just broken free
of this ball and chain, is I'm going to literally shackle them. Yeah,
yeah, you didn't even like you didn't even hold back there, You're
like, oh, okay, here's your story, shove it in your face.
Here is a Yeah, I was hoping you'd do that again with these
characters, which at first didn't present itself, but then realized after a long
time that it actually did, and it was a there was a parental relationship,
or not so much with her parents, but with her true parents and
having been she is a baby that was supposed to be sacrificed to some gods
and it's saved at the last minute by it which is a mothern mirroring by
the way, or with the baby, the sacrificial baby, Oh god,
like she's so good. She is the baby she was saved by someone else
and then she did it to the Deaveki right like, so fucking good.
Anyway, I'm sorry. So she has this relationship, you know, and
also with her character, does she belong to these gods? Was she always
just seemed to just be thrown into this dying order, into this race,
and she always sacrificed to a god. Here or there did she become one?
You know, all this stuff was so fun for me to look at.
With her character, Bo had a relationship with his mother that was a
prominent part of his story that Disby wrote for me. And I saw this
parental thing there and I referenced it a couple of times, knowing that I
was going to lean on it. Eventually, I had him experience a dream
in which he was his mother running away from this this night that is his
father. I had Zach for Ellie being this parental figure and that struggle,
and then and then later on we had the mom what was her name,
Gwendolyn. I can't remember her name now because my brain. This is what
I was saying about, the recalling of information is becoming so much after three
Gertrude this parental thing, and then sooner parental everywhere. So I saw that
one and I was interesting in that that was the thing that I was not
going to mess with. I was just all about control and looking at the
side of this that was the control versus the chaos. And I'm like looking
at my low and figuring out how to answer all these questions. Does it
make sense? Is my cosmos? You know? Who are the gods?
I now need to answer this question about all these gods? And you know,
did a timelines match up? And should this have happened here? And
who's that? And you know, doing all these things. And then there's
this emerging theme that you all brought to me where all of you have some
relationship with your parents that I went, ah, that's it. But see
that's what you do that people don't realize that you're doing that behind the scenes,
Like you walked away with Bo's character sheet, with Pocket's character sheet,
with my character sheet, and you went, Okay, how do I connect
all of these things together there? Because being a player at your table is
this magical experience of I show up, you go do whatever the fuck you
want. So I do whatever the fuck I want. But then you know,
episode twenty one, you hit me with the fact that, oh,
everything that you wrote matters in my story, and like I put it in
there, even though you're you're seemingly so flippant about it, like, oh,
do whatever you want. I don't care well because I know do you
go behind the scenes and you use it? Yeah, I don't need to
force my story to fit you. And I know that I can find these
emerging links. And here's another thing that I was like, how do I
deal with this? Was the fact that Chaos is Deeveki's parent, you know,
like that is the and chaos is everyone's parent as well, And I
was like, how do I make that a thing? Yeah? You know.
And so then I'm working with this final thing where Aura is carrying chaos
or now the embodiment of chaos, and then she goes and takes this baby
again. Yeah, and I was like, oh, this is what's right
in itself. I've just set up all these things, and so I was
really interested in that. I didn't explore it in any real hardcore way.
I really was kind of Once we knew the Aura was the chosen one here
and was the prophecy child, I was looking at trees a lot more.
We went and explored the fact that she had this relationship with the world tree
with the exploration that she's mother Nature or she's involved with these nature based forces,
and Chaos is very much truly mother Nature and that kind of energy mother
nurture. Now yeah, sorry, right, yeah, it was a good
job. I'm sorry. So, like I'm like looking at all of these
themes like that towards the end a little more trying to figure out how to
do all that stuff. But yeah, I don't know. I just I
feel like a lot of that stuff was very emergent in of itself, and
then when I saw it, I kind of just pushed it at all.
I didn't really plant I guess. So follow up question, what are the
ways you limit yourself when you're writing a show or a series like this,
because I know you do it. I know you think of questions that pop
in your brain and you go, I can't I literally cannot answer that for
the sake of the show. I can't think about that because it'll influence the
way that I gm. I think it's just probably just on my own.
Shit. Yeah, for this, like I really had to be So I'm
looking at nature versus nature and all these philosophical questions, and it is so
hard to answer philosophical questions in an unbiased way sometimes, and I'm like trying
not to be biased because my bias, which bleeds into everything here, is
that people in control are evil. You know, I'm like a conspiracy.
It is like the government's not real, you know, like in real life,
I'm like sitting in a corner freaking out about you know, birds have
got cameras in them. Not really that bad, but you know, I'm
just joking, But that kind of an element where I'm like, I have
an authority problem and it all stems from childhood, and I got all these
things going on in my head, but I really don't want it to bleed
into this world because my issues are in here, but everyone else is not.
Everyone sees is going to interpret this the way I interpret it. So
I need it to be as much of a blank canvas for you to interpret
how you want to interpret it based on your own shit going on in your
own head. So the only example I can think of off the top of
my head, and I know I did it a bunch of times in this
was and I tried to make it very clear in the last episode was that.
And I said it earlier on that for every character in this thing that
was powerful, they were now on an aligne I'm not talking true d Indie
alignments, but they're on an alignment scale. More power you have, the
more evil you are. Was how I was looking at every character in this
campaign, or was like, who's the most evil person in this bar?
And I went this fucking crazy palade and he's super short, Higan evil.
Yeah, that guy because he's so strong. The mayor of Bame, and
all of the people who are rich in pain because they have the power.
They control the food and there's snow's coming down and everyone's getting hungry. But
they have all this power now. So I'm looking at all of these characters
and I'm going, Okay, that's what that's the measure I'm working with to
make a point on purpose. Then I went, I can't have that be
the fucking ending, because that's just my that's the whole party then becoming potentially
evil again, pushing my ideologies on everyone, and I don't want to do
that. So at the end, I had this person who's in the position
of power, who presents and I presented him as evil as I could.
And you walk into that room and you see you meet Primark prime More.
He's rich, he's been brought up in a rich place. He's not He's
not, you know, like this benevolent like person when you first meet him.
For all we know, he goes out every day and feeds the poor,
you know, But when you walk in and you're like, I'm going
to kill that baby in there. He's like, I don't want you to
do that. I believe him to be, you know, for all intents
and purposes, like Jesus Christ or something like that. He's like, I
want to know who you are, and you guys are storming in there like
we know everything and you know nothing. And so I knew that I could
do that, but I also wanted him to be. At his heart,
he's a good character. He's a good guy. I really presented him not
as that because I want this to be an interpretive thing to a degree,
but he's one of the only characters in the game that is off of my
scale of evil because of power. He simply exists partially to prove my point
wrong, because I do not want that to be the final taste left in
your mouth at the end of it, that power corrupts. I wanted to
question it, and I wanted to be a constant theme and a cyclical theme.
This whole thing is cyclic. I made you do the same things three
times. You went to Bame and killed the fucking dude, You went to
Bologna and killed it Igan, you went to Heaven, you went to Deaveki's
boundary whatever you want to call it, and you killed them and it's the
same thing three times, three cycles inside of one campaign, And it was
just I was just working, like that's all I wanted to do. I'm
so glad I did it because that's the type of shit I was fucking with
as well. But he existed through my point wrong because I wanted at least
one character where I go I may have wrong. I don't know everything,
and I refuse to just push my ideologies, you know, of everyone thinks
that right, you know, and it's hard to like push a theme and
explore it without being like this is how I feel about it. Yeah,
but I just I wanted to make sure that it wasn't just me being like
this, there is no hope, everything is, so I think that's probably
what it is. I think it really is me just trying to remain neutral,
not too controlling and stuff like that as well. But that's all GM
tapes as well. Yeah, I feel like there was something in Darkfire where
you had to remove yourself. I remember you saying it after a call.
I think being like, I just I literally cannot allow myself to entertain these
thoughts or think about this because it'll influence the way that I GM this person.
And I thought that was very interesting. I thought that was crazy and
that nobody knew that you'd do that. You go to those lengths to say,
you know, no, I can't have answers because I don't want it
to influence how I NPC for five episodes. Now that I'm done, you
know doing that, Okay, yeah, now I can think about those things.
It's crazy links you go to, like, I don't know anything about
mother and eumera. He's been in three campaigns. Yeah, yeah, ambiguous,
which is good. Yeah. There was a question earlier that I thought
was very interesting in the first half that we didn't get to, which was
was it purposefully done that you had the people that seemed to be more on
the evil alignment wanting to kill the baby and those who seemed to be more
Yeah. Yeah. It kind of harkens back to the same thing with how
you guys were interpreting your own abilities. There's so many different ways to look
at how Grim and the Prime Mark interpreted what was essentially the same thing.
I see the Prime Mark as a he's probably like a level sucking twenty cleric.
I don't know well, I guess it doesn't matter who cares. He's
some baller fucking level cleric. Before the magic went, he would have been
pretty strong. I think he would have been high level caster, you know
whatever. Grim was a pretty strong paladin of Bain who is an evil god.
And while Grim is operating in the worlds of legality around that, his
tenants are you know, to control and too and to well. He believes
power corrupts, right, and he's just out to kind of he sort of
supports it. He believes in he gets his power from tyranny, he gets
his power from a controlling people. And I thought it was very telling that
he actually was like killed the baby as PB. I had moment of like,
oh if this guy who is a you know, basically subscribing to this
control god who wants to rule over everything else, has this moment of panic
about this baby and he's he is into like oppression. Yeah right, But
the way I interpreted it for Grim is that he he is more like the
strong rule of the week. What's that phrase? The that is it?
Right? I don't know, No, it's not, it's asking me is
just as holy as I know. Yeah, but like I kind of played
him like. He's kind of that argument of if you are strong enough to
defeat me, mm hmm, you are worthy. Yeah, you know whatever,
he doesn't. Survival of the feast, Yeah, is what it is.
What Grim is. It's not necessarily that he's like a murderer going around
killing people in the name of his god. But he takes the tenets of
lord Bane, which are like oppression and tyranny, and applies them in that
way. So there are a bunch of ways you can interpret this thing.
They have a thing. Paladins have a thing where they can sense evil.
It's called divine sense. A strong sense of evil or good registers on them.
They're able to basically smell your alignment or whatever, right however you favor
it. I imagine that most clerics and paladins are any worth or strength at
the point where magic drops if they're close enough to this palace sent something,
because it's like why wouldn't they. So I think Grim's activates. I think
Trimal's activates. There is so many different ways you can interpret this that I
don't know what it is. But Grim is of evil alignment, so he
sees it as evil. Yeah, Primal is of good so he says it
as good. There's one way to look at it. I saw someone in
the discord say that, what if Grim was interpreting it because he felt Bain
dying, because that's what's happening. God was being killed and Bain was feeling
fear, so he interpreted it and pushed that onto this thing. Yeah,
it's the assumptions thing you do so well. Again, like you get so
into an NPC or any character's head that you're really there, and you know
they are taking what information they have no meta, and they go based on
that what they make an assumption and they go, yeah, alternatively, Grim
is right. Yeah, Alternatively Grim senses the very worst thing that is ever
about to happen to look ri In. Yeah, ever being born appearing and
Primal is deeve Aki's only hope. So Deveki it's him thing. I'm good,
you know, he goes. The last thing you will feel is that
this baby being born is like the Holy chosen baby. So what if Daveki
implanted this into Thrimal. Yeah, there's so many ways that you can look
at it. Yeah. I look at it like a philosophical gift that you
have given me, which is hebe is grim real life, my brain will
automatically be like nobody or nobody's trustworthy, everyone's out to fuck you over,
blah blah blah. But I want to be sooner. I want to be
that one little bit of hope where I'm like, yes, but but what
if? Yeah, I refuse is to be the person that tells you that
this is correct and this is you know how it is because I don't know.
If I was grim, I would just go, this is what I
assume. I believe everything I'm doing is an assumption. You know, I'm
so I don't do a lot with very much conviction. I'm too anxious and
I question too much stuff. I'm too critical to really feel confident in many
of the decisions that I make. Ever, you know, I'm like,
am I even hungry right now? I don't know. Sometimes I'm like just
craving. Yeah, Like what am I thinking? So so, the fact
that these characters would potentially just be in that same position, except that they
have access to magic that they've been able to pretty confidently call upon, it
could still just be that, you know, he's just like, this is
the worst thing. So that's the worst thing ever? Yeah, it is
Tim brings up in the chat like expect the worst, but hope for the
best, and I really feel like that's kind of that's kind of at least
as a player, that's what you gave me, especially because I had to
do the opposite of what my gut me, my gut reaction was, you
know, don't fucking take that risk, you know, kill the kid.
And then Suna is like, under no circumstances is that even an option?
And it was just like two parts of my brain on a daily basis that
normally wore with each other. Doing it in a safe space of a campaign
was nice. I that changed me in a way where I can walk away
from that and go, what would like sooner do or have hope in the
situation? You know, not everything is yeah. I mean that's it,
Like, that's yeah, and it's I know it's annoying for some people who
want UH to not have the ambiguity on yer for a lot of this to
be ambiguous or dual meanings and stuff, but unfortunately that's just how I worked
with a lot of this stuff because I there's ambiguity with like you know,
it cuts to black and we don't know the answer yeah, but I think
I tried to provide a philosophical question too often in this for me to justify
answering it, which is another issue. I don't have the ability to answer
it because it was a question that potentially no one has the answer for,
so I couldn't give you an answer really, you know. So that's an
issue with a lot of these questions I think that are coming in. I
had a whole thing where I was like, deoveki is going to represent man
made stuff and man made gods and you know that stuff and chaos represents like
synergy with the land and stuff like that as well. So I was really
tempted to look at that kind of stuff, which is not something I even
really look into in real life, Like I'm not out here like every single
day like must recycle this thing, you know or whatever, Like I'm lay
what about the time you tied yourself to a tree so that it wouldn't get
cut down? Well that was something, right, Yeah, It's just that
I'm not like, I'm not sitting here, you know, like obsessed with
that as a thing. But I found myself looking into it more and interested
in it because of this, because I was like, what if like,
that's the story, you know. So it's not like I have any definitive
answers to these questions when I come up with them, is what I think
the point is I'm trying to make Sometimes I don't even know that I'm asking
a philosophical question until I haven't answered it and we're at the end of the
campaign and I go, well, that was just me asking you, you
know, nature versus nurture? What is it? Yeah, you know,
you have to make it up yourself. I can't answer so without spoiling any
future projects that you're working on. Obviously, when you sit down to write,
are you now writing with themes in mind? Is that something you're purposely
doing? Ah? Okay, I have been. I've actually been talking about
it on my stream a little bit. I I don't know if I was
able to fit so much metaphor and themes and allegories mirroring in this because I
knew the fucking shit like the back of my hand. I know this world
so well. I know this better than anything else. That it took me
a month to write Dying Order and it's insane, But it's because I didn't
have to make up a town or anything. Really, I just had to
you it s took me a month to write Dying Order. Oh god,
it took me, I know, but just two years. At you for
a second. It took me two years and a month. But what I
mean is that the law is setting everything. I've done it all, So
it meant that when I was coming up, was like, obviously I still
had to come up with a dungeon or you know, there's a puzzle where
the walls are only the best puzzle that has ever been in any D and
D game ever, no big deal, like two of them. You had
two or three of them in this campaign exactly, try really hard on the
puzzles because you guys fucking slap You resolutely roasted me for one that was in
Darkfire, So I'm really paranoid about it. They were so good, Brad,
But I don't know whether I was able to fit so much metaphor and
think about this stuff and think about the philosophy and then weave that into this
just because I feel like I had a lot more spared time because I wasn't
law building. I already knew it all. I knew the whole story of
this thing before we ran it. I knew everything that was going on.
I knew what the gates were all about. I knew, you know,
all these questions, so I had a lot more time to think about,
like, what does it mean when this character feels this way? What does
it mean if we have a tree here? What does it mean? You
know? It is de Veci bad? Is this system inherently evil? Is
power going to corrupt everyone? So I just got to do this because I
feel like I had a little bit more spared time week to work to ponder
it rather than me going, what the fuck am I going to do?
There? In an airship that I didn't want them to have, but they
built on a natural twenty and now I've got to come up with an airship
yes, you know, And like I just wasn't doing any of that because
I already knew everything, which is not a position I've ever been in before.
So I don't know if the next thing I run is just going to
be so lame because I can't hit any stuff in well, not really enjoyed
writing metaphors and mirrors and philosophical things and themes and cycles and stuff into this,
and so I will try and do it again, But do you feel
like you played more in this one, like keeping like like if GMing is
a sandbox, it seems to me, as your friend and a player,
that you did give yourself a bit more freedom and dying order to do things
like mirroring just for you, like all the streets that. Yeah, I
didn't do anything else. It was beautiful. I was like, I'm there,
like it's a beautiful puzzle, and I'm like, yeah, but the
meaning yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah it was yeah a reference,
Yeah, it's yeah. It felt like you you enjoyment from this campaign
quite a bit. Yeah, explained it like this to someone. Might I
might have also done this on stream. My favorite thing when I was younger
was reading these Stephen King books and then figuring out that they were all linked.
I was like, this is ballers. Fuck, that's that thing from
that book, and that's linked to this thing, and then there's this other
epic set of books that are all to do with all these other things,
and I was like, that's cool of shit. That was so fun for
me that this campaign was me making a campaign for the fourteen year old Brad
who's watching this campaign gets to enjoy piecing those things together Parana Jaguar, you
know everyone else in the discord week to week looking who's seen dust fer,
who's seen dark fire, who gets to piece some of this shit together?
All these things that feel like epic plotholes, I had to just sit on
in dust fail, hoping one day I would get around to running this to
answer all of these questions and stuff, all these little references that I made
years ago that I get to deal with, and all of this metaphor and
these twists and these cycles and the recurring themes and stuff are just for those
people, like seven people. There's seven people out there who enjoyed this one
hundred percent for what it was, And that is why I did it.
That was what I was working on week to week, more than I was
trying to facilitate the best game I could for you guys, not that I
didn't prioritize that, more than I was trying to come up with the best
puzzle, more than I was trying to do just a succynct campaign in general.
More than I was putting on a show for everyone to enjoy finding music
and know whatever was just me like hoping or not even hoping, actually knowing
that someone's going to watch this and go that links to that, links to
that. That's because that means this, that's awesome, well done, And
that's all I was doing most of the time. But it really was a
lot to do with the fact that I just knew the system so well.
O. They're saying, yeah, because you knew it, though, it
was easy for you to kind of like write your farewell love letter to everyone
who's been watching you for the last five years, you know, your stuff.
That's all I wanted to do. This was me just making a campaign
for whatever fourteen year old Brad is watching, you know, and going,
oh, that's cool the reference that again or that answers that question, because
I love doing that. You know, whenever shows and stuff I have,
like crossover events and things that's call I love all that stuff. Yeah.
So yeah, that was That's really honestly what I think I was doing from
week to week, which is why I was so into the discord. That's
why lot of week thanked people in the discord, because I just wouldn't have
done it. I wouldn't I don't think without like everyone in this discord questioning
it and going back and forth in theory crafting even though they were wrong,
like most of the time because I'm being I was so subversive in this.
I hate subversion cinema, by the way, I hate and that's all I
did in this constantly. It was so fun. I get it. I
understand why they made the last Jedi. There are anything that people got right,
but you were like, oh, that's it, But you couldn't say
anything, almost definitely, But I can't think of it. You can't think.
Every now and then they would get something right and I'd be like,
oh, I'm not as clever as I think, or maybe you are,
and they're just as clever. All the matter to me was that you didn't
guess it was a baby. Well I didn't. I thought maybe she was
pregnant, but I wasn't sure. Oh yeah, you succeeded, You succeeded.
You also hit me with the twins. I was not expecting that and
that fucked me up pretty hard. So well done. And a couple of
other ones. When you told me to let go, you like that that
you saw yourself in the mirror, Yeah yeah, oh oh yeah, that
got me too. Oh yeah, so much. That was like all the
point though, you know, the point. A lot of The point of
this was that you had to go through an internal struggle to accept yourselves or
at least accept that you're able to do this. I guess kind of a
lot of people don't. So was there anything that you put out there into
the world that nobody picked up on that you care to mention, like stuff
that you put in there maybe just for you, or little nuggets like that.
I really did my best to answer all of those things. I want
people to be able to find them. Yep. So it's in there.
It's probably supposed to be in there. There's really I don't know. I
mean, I probably will think of stuff, but without I had not really.
I put a lot of eight in here. And I don't know if
that was because you know, like I was in the campaign and you knew
I might see it and recognize it. But the mechanical Spider, the Ragnarok
stuff like Spider also has eight legs, which I need. It was a
number. That was another reason I wanted that. But the beginning, so
when you meant to you and he had the Spider, I was like a
spider. People in the chat. I did rule of threes, you did
a rule of eights. That's the same thing, right, I mean,
yeah, Well the point I just I knew that one of the things I
wanted to reference was eight because it was because seven was the number seven gates.
So where's the eighth gate? I really eight? Yeah, I just
knew that I wanted that to be a point. Yeah. No, I
don't know, So I looked at this document ahead of time. So I
haven't been asking you specific questions, but I have organically discussed with you most
of the questions and a couple of my own for my own selfishness. But
if anybody has any questions that you want to ask for Brad that weren't answered,
you can do it now, all right. I'll glance through them as
well, just to see if there's anything ye that stands out to you.
Yeah, I'll answer as well. And a second the guy of the guy
at the Temple of Yeah, I was going to circle back to that yet,
because now it's spoiler territory, spoiler country. So get out, get
out to answer some stuff from dog Fire. I know one question from dog
Fire that I want to answer about. Yeah, about nineteen okay, oh
yeah, I have a couple of questions about that too. But another thing
too, before, because I saw this at least twice in the chat asking
where you can go and watch the rest of the trilogy. And I'm pretty
sure we made the Table Story TV slash LaCrin which has all three campaigns,
but if we didn't, I'm sorry. But you can go to table Stories
YouTube channel to find dust Veil, and both Dark Fire and Dying Order are
on YouTube, but also twitch and podcast versions, and we are hoping to
look at a Dust Fail MP three version or release here now that Dying Order
is well. It was one of the first things we ever ran on Table
Story before it was anything near the level of quality that we have here.
It was just it was me and Jay crying. Yeah, anything with a
logo like that, so it's a little harder. It was really really early
on in the thing. I have one here. I listened to Dust Fail
while I was on my walk and it was so immersive that I walked like
eleven miles that day. I just didn't stop walking. So it's fine day.
It's not like it's hidden or whatever. It's just that it's not on
the the Twitch channel and stuff like that. That's why I was run on
my channel. It's really random how are the characters chosen for the race and
also the pursuit in Dark Fire? Is it random or is there something deeper
chosen for? The race was random apart from Sooner Soon. It was just
placed in the right place at the right time because newmeraor was you know,
messing with the rules. But the other characters are chosen at random because they're
chosen by chaos. Devek is not in full control of the dying order.
In fact, he's not in control of it at all. He's just perversing
it. He's twisting it and just trying to wait it in his favor.
He does everything in his power to He can't not play by the rules,
but he can fuck with them in a way that allows him to always win.
And he's done it, you know, eight times, so he's pretty
good at it by now. In Dark Fire, they get given a pursuit.
At the beginning, they were in the right place. Hasmol just went
I need someone. Now reaches out to try and find anyone and he grabs
well, I guess he grabs Rin, Yeah, because she walked through the
door right that you bring the others? Yeah, So it is they're both
random, really really Hasmol was just reaching for anyone. It could have been
that he grabbed one of the bandits that were in the town at the time.
He didn't Hasmoal is not like a super all powerful being. He's a
pokemon. Love him, yeah, but he's still a Pokemon. No,
but I still love him compared to you know, some of the gods and
things that we've dealt with. Evers was good to you do a really good
job with that. You always make your MPCs feel like real people, if
it, Daddy, yeah, Noodle, Yeah, Yeah, he's a he's
a summon yeah kind of. I'm just glancing through these questions. I don't
want to miss them because you know, we're done. Yeah, yeah,
Oh, there's the question about grim. I see what happened to the half
god, half monster ard In the another ambiguous thing ard In. And we're
in Dust Veil spoilers and Dark Fire spoilers. So if there are any other
questions that you want answered, or if you would like to if there are
questions that you don't realize, we don't realize I'm about to answer. You're
going to have to come back after you finish the other campaigns, because from
this point onwards. I'm just going to answer stuff that will spoil dust Veil
and Dark Fire, so time stamp write it down, and in three years
when you finish those two campaigns, because I don't know how long it's going
to take you to watch you know, these other two experience, but yeah,
come back to this at this point and then you know. Also,
if you ever have questions, I don't really mind you leaving them in the
discords that are still up. We always have the discords open. They're in
retired campaigns after they stop being live, but you can still message in there.
There are people that go into dust Veil that finished in twenty seventeen and
write stuff every day and I read it. So you can always ask questions.
And if I can remember in forty five years what the answers are,
I will try and answer them. If I don't do it today. So
what happened to the half God half monster art In? At the end of
dust Veil, ard In fucking turns into a thing. He falls into the
pool that creates the primals. That pool is able to bind something magical to
anything. Actually, it's able to bind anything to anything. That's what it
can do, which I've always super cool because it means you can bind a
fought to a pot, you know, or you can bind a particular spell
to a thought or a leg or you know what. I don't know what
whatever. You can imagine beyond my capabilities, you can bind two things together.
For the most part, they used it to create things like the primals.
They also create things like the spheres that are essentially material. You can
bind a particular magic to a Why are you laughing, I'm not laughing.
I'm just I never told you that that. He's I put him in gone
as well, not him specifically, but his name, as if his thought
went out and a vagabond washed up with him in mind, right, So
there are some things that tie into him, and I never told you that.
So that's why I'm smiling. Yeah, So that's essentially what. Yeah,
the pool can do. It can bind two things together. Ah Din
falls in to the pool while a demi god Titan, which we see in
Dying Order as well, that god, the sand god kind of is in
there, or a thing that harnesses his energy is in there. At the
same time, it turns Ardin into this weird god thing. He becomes this
immortal blob creature thing. He retains a lot of his personality, but he
also now has just this a whole other thing going on. He's immortal,
like, he just doesn't die. He's not invincible, I don't think,
but he's in more so. There is once or twice while you're in dust
Fel that they reference a god king. Once the emperor is overthrown, Leathranksis
is overthrown, the princess doesn't take the throne in Dustfell, someone else does,
or maybe she rules for a bit. I can't remember what I have
put down. There's a document in the Dustfell that you can check by what
actually happened in Dustfel, because a lot of it is just bullshit propaganda from
the government. Anyway, they reference the fact that there is now a god
king who has been ruling forever. Is that arden? I think yes?
Is it supposed to be ambiguous, yes, So it's up to you.
I like to think that the group that were in dust Fail had more of
an influence than just that glancing thing. And you know, Raja and Lash
and everybody couldn't possibly survive the very mortal normal people. They probably lived a
pretty normal life after that, maybe went on some other adventures and things,
but I don't think that they, you know, would have wanted to be
kings and queens and things like that. Whereas Arden quite literally becomes a god
creature, he's also immortal, and I think once he gets control of himself,
potentially they look at who could possibly rule this land and whom there isn't
anyone. Everyone's awful and corrupt, including Arden in a way, but you
know, he was a pretty decent guy for for Dust Fail, and so
I think maybe he ends up there. When I put out the trailer,
there is an image I think it's I might be a magic the gathering card
or something, but there's an image of a guy sitting on a throne m
and I like, I was like, that's God King Arden. When I
did it in my canon, which is my canon, not the canon,
God King ardin is what. And I like to think maybe Raja and Lash
and everybody they help him to get to this position, and they just look
at the future of this kingdom after this horrible corruption has just been all it
has ever known, and they hope for a future that's a little better.
For Dust Fail, and ultimately I think it does improve a little bit and
they kind of just put him in that position. Does power corrupt Arden into
an evil creature? Is my real question, you know, That's what I
want to know. But I don't know. But I was very interested in
it when that's the type of stuff I like. It's kind of stupid,
but I kind of like it. I also wondered whether one of the things
I don't really like Doctor Who, I know, blasphemy for a lot of
people. I'm not a fan of it, like at all. I appreciate
that the original Doctor Who series runs were really pretty stand out for their time,
but it's just not my thing. My favorite thing in it is that
there's a spin off show with Jack Something Too, with Yes Jack the face
of Bow. He becomes the face of that who. They meet this face
that's been alive forever in the future and it's him from that show, and
I was like, that's so awesome, And honestly, that's why I considered
that being Haddin, because I think that's really interesting. God, I totally
forgot about that. I also kind of didn't watch too much of that show,
but when that I did watch the season where that reveal happened, and
I went, that's the best thing I've ever seen, Like, holy shit,
that was such a satisfying reveal, very good. Yeah, I really
I really enjoyed that element. So that's kind of where I was going with
that. But it's up to you if you wanted to be your ending or
not. Were there any ultimate weapons? There weren't in this. Usually I
put an ultimate weapon in for every character, just like you would get in
a classic Final Fantasy game. In this they are It didn't. I didn't.
They did have alt of my weapons. Actually, KPP did get hers
or got the enchantment on the sword, and it turned it into a brand
new sword with the enchantments on it, which dealt different damages, but she
never really got to use it. They were the ultimate weapon though. It
was just there were ultimate weapons, but it wasn't the same as I usually
set it up. I just wanted them to He's super strong at the end,
so that I could either take it away or or you prove the point
by saving the world that I'm wrong. The power doesn't equal evil. That
was the other ending, depending on the divergences of all the different ways this
could have gone. Did you tell KPP that she was actually recording what what
she was recording for the episode for the voice memo the future Aura part.
Yeah, I don't know what I told her, but I I can't remember,
or I just record this thing for me, and because I did it,
I came back and said it right. I did the voice of KPP
first, yes, and then and then you recorded it for you after yep.
So no, she already knew she wasn't spoiled her. It didn't seem
like the type of thing I would do. I don't normally see you're so
protective of the player experience. Yeah, I will do it as much,
even though I know there are things I can do. It would be awesome
if she had recorded. It would be so much better for three of you,
but not for her, And I'd rather just do it any part of
the campaign you highly regret happened that way. I really like all of them
have got moments where I just absolutely felt like the worst GM ever. Or
I was like, oh I didn't work out how I wanted it to go,
or this puzzle was shit, or this dungeons crap, or you know,
I'm just a lot of the first few episodes of not the first episode,
but the like a few episodes of the early part when you guys were
in dust Veel and it was just a slog and I was like, this
isn't that fun. This is just travel and boring, and this isn't where
I wanted this to go. I wasn't enjoying running that. I regret a
lot of things all the time as a GM, but I find that while
in the moment and sometimes week to week, it can really drag me down
because I obsessed over this. Every week I sat, I'm thinking about it,
and I feel weird not having something to work on in the week at
the moment already, But by the end I don't care dust Veil. I
remember I hated the entire first half of dust Vol. People love dust Vell
and I'm like, I feel like it was terrible, you know, because
okay, so that's what you've been telling me, You've been telling my little
GM. You know perspective, I'm not looking at you. I had this
freaking awesome cast of players that were making it super fun for everyone else,
but from my perspective, from my GMing, I wasn't too happy with how
it was going for a lot of it. Then I kind of did the
same thing, so annoyed did you You told me that for years you were
like, oh, you know, take your time getting the dust veil,
because like the first half's a bit rough. Listened to episode one and I'm
like, what are you talking about? What are you talking about? Well,
it's just because I'm very highly critical of only my elements, and you
know, I'm looking at mistakes only I know her there no one else knows
because it's all behind the GM screen. Yeah. So it's just you know,
years of experience later where you look back at the you know, campaign
or the other project that you did, or the other book that you wrote
or whatever, and you go, oh, I could have done that differently.
I could have done you know. So yeah, it's normal. Yeah
I don't. And also I just I completely forget that I have players that
are carrying more of this show than I am a lot of the time because
I'm just looking at my crappy little notes about my stupid little world I wrote.
I'm not looking at all these players that are awesome. So you like,
doesn't like an old man dying in episode one, Like that's fucking awesome.
Next spoiler, who is the arch Inquisitor? Did they die because magic
was gone? Yes? Because they're a primal and they exist entirely through magic.
They that's the whole. Like I just explained how they're made. Pretty
much. You can watch Dust Fell and it tells you the actual answer about
how they made. They're made from like part elf and neck romancy and stuff,
and they're able to siphe and life from themselves, from other people and
shit like that. Sorry, go ahead, it can't survive. And moving
on from that, the person in the Yeah, it's just going to say
of time here on it. Okay, So dost fail. Let me explain
some stuff about dust Fail at the end. Dust Fail is this story about
a group of idiots murder hoboing their way around the wild wild West, slowly
but surely. Even in their own stories and their own storylines, they're very
localized to their characters. For example, Raja has a very important story about
him and his mentor, Sagan Shara, who becomes this kind of he loses
his village and he doesn't know what happened to it, and you find out
that Sagan Shara, the village elder, struck a deal with this very shadowy
figure from the capital c. He he is betrayed kind of. They and
sagan Shara turns into this horrible sandstorm creature and Raja has to kind of come
to terms with that, and they deal with that and stuff like that.
So there's all this story around the characters themselves, but beyond, when you
look beyond it, you're like, well, who was that shady figure?
Because around the characters is this other storyline which is very much Star Wars.
It's an empire with an evil emperor. Addendum, star Asterix a princess and
they encounter this princess has a group of like Ninja like people who travels with
her across the desert. Everyone's after this this orb that the group have one
of there are in the box, right, yeah, youth they I watched
that I lost shall want to right. All I wanted for dust Beell was
that when you get all the answers, it all goes, oh, that's
what we've been doing. That's all I wanted to happen. So I was
kind of fucking with that, and I was being really fucking with Dustwell,
which is why I'm not always too happy with what I was presenting. Because
I was running fractured worlds, which was my like, this is how I
run stuff, and then I was running my kind of experimental game, Like
not that I saw it as less or anything, but just that I wanted
to do something different, but I was way less experienced at doing something different
because it's something different. So I was fucking around with shit. So in
the background of Dustbell is this story between Emperor Leo Thraxis, Princess Leo Thraxis,
and then this shadowy advisor who is called Solomon. Solomon is controlling the
Emperor and he has been for forever. Who is he? He's a failed
primal. One day Solomon wakes up on a pile of discarded bodies realize he's
a mistake, He's a failed thing. They take the best ones, the
ones that worked, and they send them out to each of the kingdoms.
They give a king a primal and they put them in there so that they
can stop this coming apocalypse. Is what the ancients were working on. Now,
before you go too much further, like, isn't there a dark Fire
tie in here? Well, there is. Your allow your group in dark
Fire eventually join the ancients because you are the type of people who are going
to try and save the world. Yeah, so you join them, But
if you had listened to all of the law cubes in dying order, which
is where all the answers are. Yeah, fucking I'm so sad. Some
of those people are speaking in those law cubes are like you guys, Yeah,
And some of them are the people who come later, who start getting
desperate and start running these twisted experiments and eventually create the primals. Like,
I don't think the primals is like a necessarily good thing. They're kind of
an awful yeah, And they fuck a load of them up. Most of
them die and there's just a body of like a bunch of bodies. When
in Dust Fell, they go into a room that's just empty. At one
point, I just imagine that was where all the primals were. But it's
been so long they've decayed away. So Solomon is a failed experiment. He
comes out, crawls out of that cave and goes, I am not a
failure. I'm going to rule everything now. He is a primal with a
little more autonomy than the others because he's a failure. His wiring is different
and he is able to predict stuff. He's able to live for a really
long time. He's able to siphon life from people. When people cast life
magic, he can take a portion of it for himself. So isn't there
really no The resurrection magic that's in dust Bill is actually them giving him channeling
him. Yeah right, Yeah, he's he's just an achromatically absorbing life and
stuff like that. Yeah, and sending it back. Yeah. People think
there's resurrection magic, but really it's Solomon that's fucked up, man and beautiful
this point, dust Fell is not even a continent. There are a few
villages stuff like that. When your lot would have gone there, there would
have been almost nothing in dust In, an empty desert. By the time
Solomon is done, he has created dust Fell. He's done the best he
can with this just desert continent, unlivable. And he's created these this place
because he's trying to build a continent that he rules so that he can then
probably go on some war campaign and overtake the world. He can do it
because he can predict everything. He's a master of prediction, and he's also
able to use that for his own gain, as opposed to the other primals
who are more just kind of focus on the end game. So he goes
on this thing. It goes a little wrong because the emperor that he's controlled,
he never sits in the throne because it's too obvious. He doesn't want
to be assassinated. So he's controlling an emperor, the emperor, and there's
a load of propaganda around Dustbell. In the beginning, there's this thing called
the Fall of Magic, which I loved re referencing in this by the way,
that is propaganda that's just to keep people under control. He's a mini
Daeveki, and he's looking he's controlling everything. The princess kind of works some
stuff out and escapes with this like armor and stuff, and she's trying to
get she's trying to figure out what's going on and get her father off the
throne, who she thinks evil doesn't necessarily realize that he's being controlled by Solomon,
and what's the greater picture here. Eventually the party go to the Gate
of Time, which they just believe is this, you know, ancient site
of magic and mistra called dread Tusk. They find out that's the Gate of
Time. They find out that these creatures were made here a long time ago,
and that one of them escaped and became Solomon. They look at all
of these cycles that have been happening. They realized that they were trying,
the wizards that were here were trying to prevent an apocalyptic event. Solomon shows
up, like, I can't let you guys fuck with this. This has
been like a thousand years of my life or whatever it is. You can't
I'm not going to let you do stuff. However, they have this fight.
Now, this was where it's really important for what happens in the future
of Dying Order, because let's say Solomon kills them. While Solomon is now
in the position that probably by the time we get to Dying Order, he's
probably like a world ruler. He probably is controlling a lot of stuff.
Like I don't doubt whatsoever that Solomon would be the Thanos of Lucerne by the
time we get to the Dying Order, like seven hundred eight hundred years later
on, he would probably be like Lord Emperor of Lucrin. And it would
have been a different looking world. Had they outright killed Solomon, I don't
think there would have been as much of a change. But what they didn't
do was either they fight with him and then they fucking escape. Everyone runs
away because there's an Arden creature now but what happens to him? He gets
deposed with the help of all of these people, and the princess now in
a position of power, she kind of reclaims the throne from her dad.
He has that moment with greamer worm tongue in Lord of the Rings where the
king comes back. There's no Solomon anymore. Solomon's attempts are thwarted because now
there's a god king Ardin in my head, there's a there's an ardent creature
that's strong enough to stop him Solomon from doing anything. Solomon isn't like a
warrior. He's strong, but he's you know, he's he's more of a
politician, tactician, time villain. So I just saw this thing where I
went, Okay, well, now Arden is not going to ever be controlled
by this guy. What would Arden do? Arden would probably imprison him.
What do you do with him? He imprisons him in the place he was
made. Now, you're an immortal creature barely siphoning life off of people in
the surrounding area in this gate of time. Basically, yeah, forever time
is unlocked. The only place in Lakreem where time is unlocked is in the
Gate of time. It is completely free flowing time. And this is how
I help with time travel in this game. And I'm pretty sure it's good.
I think it's all. I think it's okay. I think it works
out. I like time travel travel, and I like it to make sense,
and I think it does. So you're in the gate of time.
Time is unlocked, so you can fuck with stuff only while you're in there.
Outside of there, it's pretty locked. He's in there experiencing all sorts
of times and everything. He's seeing everything insane. Yeah, so he goes
insane. He's a person. So by the end, by the time you
meet him, he's really just an ysterect. It's just an answer for anybody
that wanted an answer on what happened to Solomon in dust Feil. He's in
there. Can you imagine I remember you mentioning this. He's super evil.
God, yeah, you know something about Solomon. He is done all the
worst ship ever ever. He's real evil. Way happen If we had walken
him up right, you could have brought him with you and ship. Oh
god, but he yeah, oh my god, that's so. That's that's
who the guy is there. He is the villain the true villain of dust
Mail the Pain and it's just our and it's the same. I liked that
moment. I've done a lot of referencing to the Avengers movies tonight, because
I don't know why they're not my favorite movies at all. You'd think they
were my favorite movies of all time. But they're good references in general.
But there was a moment where they you go and see the Red Skull.
They see him on this mountain and he's just this bit part. And he
was the main villain in the Captain America movie, and it's kind of like
a nice reference. Where did he go when he got that cube and funked
off? You see where he ends up and he's in his own prison of
his own making, and it's a similar situation. I think he's kind of
in the he's in prison. He's been in prisoned, I think probably by
Ardin because they don't know what else to do with him. Yeah and then
yeah, so the arch Inquisitor is the only other primal. So Solomon and
the arch Inquisitor the only two primals alive. The rest, I imagine probably
just died out over time. I think they were meant to last as long
as these two did. But they they're just hormunculous type creatures. Really.
I have a very selfish question, had we continued searching the boxes down there,
can I just know what of drifts and what of eros would have been
left behind? I will try and find it for you. Oh God,
thank you. Let's see what was in that. You don't have to answer
it now, but I just I know that, like all the fucking things
for me to roll to open, I got rins and that meant a lot
to me. Also, or still has that whip? So right, yeah
you have it. I think maybe she gave it away or I don't know,
I can't remember, but that was a very cool moment for me.
Yeah, I don't know what to even google for myself. Yeah, don't
worry about it now. You don't have to search now. I know,
gone for a while and you're probably your brain's probably fried. But I was
curious if we would find like a loot or something. I will never forget
that, me being like, what do I see? What does it smell
like? And you being like will you tell me what? Right? Yeah?
That might like? I mean, that's the that was the whole point
I knew you were in it. I don't know if I had anything for
the other two, and then if I just had it for you, because
I knew that you would be the only one that would find it, I
can't find I'll do a deep search a bit because it's kind of a mess.
Apparently apparently this is what I was working with at that time, just
the Charlie Day meme. Oh I wanted I was going to get you to
read one of these law cubes out if you oh yeah, yeah, if
you got the right number. When you guys were messing with the law cubes,
I was going to be like, can you just read this out for
the class because it was in a really old voice mm hmmm, which would
have been fun. Oh yeah, yeah. I don't know if there was
stuff in there for the other two. I didn't want it to be too
on the head because it was so long ago as well. Yeah yeah,
and we don't know what happened to them, right, It's very ambiguous.
So another thing that people always ask me is the the Ero intros. I'm
going to ask you that, but I know that WHAC doesn't want to talk
about Ero that much. So now the ERO intros in the thing. Yeah,
every week to go from this one. Yeah. Yeah, they're like,
is this like Ero telling the story in the future, because he's like
the god of time now and it's not anything that epic. I kind of
saw them as like a non canonical just okay, okay, it's just to
give you, you know, iro Ago learn to like Eerroo and Drift and
in becoming like these all powerful godlanguages. I think they would want that.
Nineteen however, I don't know. Yes, there was a question about nineteen.
Did you want to address that? Where is it? I will look,
let's see what other questions there are. I have covered a lot of
them. Okay, would nineteen have been the fire God if they went there?
No? Did you get asked that one a lot? Right? Yeah,
I don't know what happened to nineteen. I know that the I mean
during Dark for the Wolfge were dying. They're based entirely on the Mages from
Fun and Fantasy nine, and they are shutting down their energy that they were
created for a war and they win the war, and that's it. I
have a bunch of stuff that I'm very in interested in that I wrote for,
like how they came about. I know where they came from. I
know what's everything about them, and I never really answered that in Dark Fire,
and I don't know if I want to. But the thing with nineteen
is that he becomes kind of just this permanent warrior of Hasmore. But I
don't know if Hasmore is like powerful enough or even would really want to keep
nineteen around. I don't know what it would serve Hasmore to do for too
long, like this long, all the way up until this is two thousand
years of you know, I feel like nineteen wouldn't even want to do that,
But I don't know, because Nineteen, it really is not my character.
Nineteen is even when these end, and I imagine my own kind of
endings and what might happen afterwards. I am no different than the rest of
you all thinking of it. But I don't like thinking about what decisions in
nineteen would make. But I can think that has More probably wouldn't hime around
too much. So the Gates have a guardian in each of them. They're
essentially just a Pokemon. I don't know how they survive the dying order between
cycle eight and nine. For the ancient Magi do it? They managed to
the reason the gates that actively have a guardian are completely indestructible and immovable,
and they would remember they I always would describe that they never had a scratch
and you couldn't harm the walls and stuff because they fucking made it through a
cycle. They made it through but chaos. Chaos wipes everyone out and everything
to clean the world to be fresh again, and they made they trumped that.
They they some The one thing they did was beat that keep the gates
open, and a byproduct of that is that their guardians survive as well,
to keep the only thing that these magi, the ones that created the gates.
I'm sure there were a bunch of magi that were evil and all sorts
of shit was going on. Whichever ones made the gate or whichever one I
don't know, I don't know what was going on, left a guardian behind
to guard these gates because they knew that the most important thing in the world
ever, is to fucking get Devaki off the throne. They were on the
same mission as you someone, So they leave a guardian behind, and the
guardian is able to survive, which is why I say they're a pokemon.
Yeah, there are a couple of points you do go to. There are
places of power which are different to the gates in dark Flight that you go
to. There are a bunch of them. You go to one of them,
the Brandon Steel, the one that belongs to a different and you find
that it's broken and destroyed. It's all messed up because there's no active guardian
there. Whatever magic, there's no way that anything other than the magic of
the gate itself can survive through the cycle. So that's whatever they did.
But there is a thing there. There's a thing called Lord Darkfire that is
something that's alive. I like to think he's in like a time bubble.
He's sitting outside of time. I know what I wrote, but I remember
leaving some of it ambiguous. I don't even know if you're even physically there.
When you swim down there is a lot I have. Your ac becomes
like your whiz score and stuff like that. So I don't know if you're
physically in a place. Interpretation that forward to a future theel Mesia where it's
underwater because it gets destroyed. I don't know. If it's in your head,
I don't know, if it's just underground, I don't know. I
don't know I like to think that you can decide for yourself. But he
is not there. He is absolutely in some other plane or another dimension of
time or something. He's trying to break out, and that's the thing.
So he doesn't he's not a guardian necessarily, but he probably was the guardian
of that place of power, which isn't a gate gates, and the places
of power are different. The place of power little small, little versions of
these enormous chaos gates that are different. So do you think I don't know
why he would want his own little guardian. He has no ego for it.
He just sees everyone as tools as much as everyone loves has more.
He's fucking neutral as ship like. He's just he's almost robot himself. When
you die, I will replace you with another you know, yeah, very
much. He has a job and he places nothing above that job because you
know, I guess whoever put him in place there was like the most important
thing in the world is that the next cycle do do it? Do the
thing that we failed, and then they all fucking die, and haw's what
was left behind. That's dark Fire, And that's why I like dark Fire
coming before yeah, dying order, But it's really the only link, but
they were doing the same thing. So the story of dark Fire behind the
scenes is the story of what happens when you fail a cycle or a dying
order, and that is that's that, I guess question. So I don't
know what nineteen's up to. I don't know if he's alive. I saw
a theory that nineteen became Sea Stalker, which I really like as a theory,
not something I wrote down. It's very possible that they applied sort of
arc and Eye techniques to nineteen, and an upgraded version of a warf forged
would become Sea Stalker. Sees Stalker is an ark and im man he's a
weird fantasy version of an AI. Yeah, so the idea that that theory
too, The idea that se Stalker is nineteen is very possible. I like
that theory, but it's not something I wrote down. See Stalker is also
another purposefully ambiguous character. I don't know his origin. He washes up one
day. Someone made him into this thing, and he is he hates them
for it, and so that's all they need to turn him to their side.
To the dragon Fly crew, who are also ambiguous in their morals.
You can see why they're doing it. You understand it. It's just fucking
annoying for me as well view because I don't know whose side I'm on.
Sometimes I have to just be like, oh yeah, I'm going to present
them as bad guys for you. There's a lot here, Bradley. Do
you do you think no? I mean, seriously, do you think you
will? Are you done with la Quin? Everybody asked see this, so
I got I have to ask it. It's repeated over and over and over
again. Will you ever return to Lucorn? Or are you done? I
will answer that the very last thing. Okay, do we do? Okay?
Because it's a bit complex. So whenever we get to the last question,
okay, you tell me when the end is? When is the end?
How long has this stream being half? Its just me and you're on
a private zoom call. Yes, I don't know how many people are here.
I never learn any questions. That's what I'm wondering. Do you are
there any because you're looking at the list right, it's a look. Let
me double check everything. I was just about to ask that or like point
that one out like I I I like to think of her as another sorry
mother Numera type. Yeah, no, I kind of think she's probably like
that as well. I really wanted to present you guys in Bologna, and
I just didn't do it, And I honestly think I just forgot at one
point when you first got to Bologna. I wanted there to be a lot
of so Alexandria. I wanted to kind of be of the climate of Italy.
I thought it kind of probably if we wanted something to draw from mentally
what it looks like. I think some of the towns and the landscape looks
a lot like Italy. If you just google Italy, if you played Assassin's
Creed, there's the one which is set in I think it's in Florence.
It has like the red rooftops. For the most part. I think Bologna
looks a lot like that in my head. And then I thought, well,
what's like one thing that I've always found interesting about London where I'm from,
And there's a lot of like statues, There's tons of them. All
of our kings and queens and warriors and stuff are just everywhere on these horses.
And I remember being younger and looking at these horses and it was interesting
to me that they had thing. And I'm probably gonna get this wrong,
but like, if the horse has both of its legs on the ground,
they died of old age. If it had one leg up, they died
of wounds in battle. If they had two legs up, they died in
battle. And I was like, I might do something like that with the
queens that have ruled. And this has been a complete like the only people
that have ruled in Alexandria are queens. They have these warrior queens. We
hear about an invasion in Dark Fire that we come in after the end of
this war, where these this queen leads a force over to Thelmsia and Winds.
Were it not for some bullshit luck magic war forged creation that the king
I want to say his name is King Willmar stumbles upon and manages to create
these things called the War Forge, which turned the war. And then we
see dark Fire, which is post war depression. The post war depression stuff,
by the way, leads to a lot of banditry. A lot of
banditry leads to a lot of people leaving Thelmsia and going to Dust Fail.
Hence why Dust Fail is like a bandit Kingdom because it was started and founded
and ruled by bandits, forever corrupt version of Delmesia as the result of this
thing. It's all linked and interesting to me. Anyway, one of these
queens comes over, she's awesome, she rules, she beats everyone up or
whatever. And then I was like, what if it's the same one forever?
What if that? What if Queen Bellstreel the third it's all just a
facade as well, because she's in a place of power, she's the same
thing. She's got like this little girl pretending to be her essentially, and
then like, oh you know what, and they just change and she because
it's the same, they're all again my brain is looking at these people in
these positions of power. What if they are just putting on a facade.
They're pulling the wall over your eyes always you never know what's going on.
You don't know what the government are up to, you don't know what you
know these corporates of working on. And so that was kind of where my
brain was at. Again, this is not something that I think necessarily is
the truth. I just like the idea of it, and it's something that
I considered now I wanted a thing. And this is something I did reference
at the end. I really wanted when you first went to Bologna that you
just kept seeing all these depictions of the queen. I completely forgot about it
and never did it, and we went on a hunt for again. Then
when you went to date On, you saw one, and then when you
went into the palace there were paintings, and then when you went into the
bedroom there were three paintings. But in these paintings, all of the faces
looked the same. Because you said that I wanted one set of paintings that
are actually her face and aren't adjusted for the pub and she keeps that in
her bedroom so that she can look upon these paintings where she actually gets to
be herself. Was kind of my reference there, if it's any I thought
that instantly. I was like, shit, she's in an immortal to Yeah,
is she a demon? Is she some sort of like thing? Yeah,
she's not a primal. The thing that I like about uh Kalougi as
well, just while we're on it, is that he just assumed she was
a demon because he saw a demon butler leaving the palace on the night he
finds Esen. Obviously, confusing name changes. That's a kind of regret for
me. I almost wish I hadn't done that, ruse, but I was
too scared that you guys would just solve it instantly, and I needed an
investigation arc. So I was like, I'm going to make all the names
confusing. Yeah, and I hate it because now I get it wrong.
He goes after Resi and Zen kills his family. You know, it's the
last night that Kalugi is himself. After that, he's just a hollow man
moving through life. You know, his his purpose is taken from him by
this demon, and so he goes. He seeks his vengeance. He hunts
down this demon. He finds that one of the butler leaving the palace is
this demon that killed his family, kills the demon, tries to get some
information out of him, but doesn't. He's like, what the fuck is
going on in that palace? Yeah? Then he goes, I don't care
anymore and goes to the bar, and that's where he states until we see
him, probably he hurts me. I love him. I know he hurts
me too, and that's his purpose. He was also supposed to be,
you know, a character that you suspected. Wanted you to suspect him.
He was all aloof and silly, and I wanted you to kind of maybe
consider him to be one of them. On you consider him to be a
demon? Yeah, a demon, oh I thought, Or you consider him
maybe to be Yigan, Yeah I did. There was a moment where I
thought maybe he was my dad. Yeah, So he just assumes that the
Queen is a demon, because that's why, and actually he's really close on
the moment. It kind of makes sense, Yeah, because he'd be seeing
oh, you know, why does she always look you know, similar,
Like I'm sure he's got a conspiracy theory, conspiracy, he just doesn't have
the conviction to go after it or the you know, the motivation and then
so yeah, like the I had him as well at the end just telling
you what to do, which was really fun for me, which was just
another subversion. He's like, the Queen's a demon, You've got to go
and killer. It's like kind of exactly what you have to do, which
was kind of fun for me as a gym. So that's the deal with
the Queen. It's up to you if you want to kind of think of
it in a different way. So sometimes when I say this stuff here,
I am not taking into account that I maybe said something that disproves my point,
because I know with this stuff, this is stuff that I work with
in ambiguity in the game, and I like, I mean, I like
this. This is one reason I like setting things in like medieval or fantasy
settings, is just the power of rumor and spoken word and stuff like potentially
one person says this rumor and another a person says this rumor, and you
don't know which one's true, and that's what it would feel like living there.
Yeah, and you you do like propaganda and stuff, so well,
you do. You care about the immersion, immersion for the viewer and the
player. So you're very good about giving information from the point of NPCs,
where a lot of players just assume that whatever comes from the NPC is truth,
gospel, that is the reality of the situation because it's coming from the
GM. But you will often just straight up lie because it's whatever the character
thinks. The character or NPC. Yeah, I'm not presenting you information for
anything other than what there is things is happening right now. There is a
question for you, who is your favorite NPC? If you can think of
one. I know that's probably a tough question over three campaigns in five years,
but oh in all of them. Yeah, oh Jesus, yeah,
I woul just dying order. I don't know. I don't know. I
have one born in he No. I was gonna say, Hasmal Death Singer
actually is my favorite, really love death singer. I really loved Leon from
dust Fell, which I'm not gonna I won't say anything about him too much,
but he kind of hurts me as well. I really loved uh Stout
Boots. I loved Yeah, Stout Boots was really good too. There are
also nine lives in this who was literally just Stout Boats. Like it's not
literally actually stout Boats, but he was. He's really good. I found
Cedric in this to be super interesting and no one knows anything about him,
and so for me, I'm like, I think he's really cool and interesting.
Can I I have a theory for the longest time that Cedric was day
of Eki. That's why I went so ham and crazy asking you all those
questions, because I was like, there's time fuckery happening here, and I
know Brad is just so fucked up enough to do that that you are you
know, Cedric is so angry with the gods and trying to prevent it,
and he ends up becoming He The only person angry enough to become Day of
Eki and do all those things is Cedric. So I thought that, Yeah,
that was my theory for a while. Now I think he's just an
angry man, Yeah, just a sad, vengeful man. He's he's Kalugi
with motivation and so yeah, but I think I think just the lengths that
people will go to was what I was thinking. I had the same line
running through my head. What lengths do people go to for power? What
power? What is power if not taking power away from someone else, which
is another way to think of it. And you know, I've been around
the houses on this a few times, but I don't have a favorite MPC.
I'll think of one. Okay, four am tomorrow night, I was
Alvin, damn it. But Alvin was pretty good. Yeah, I don't
know. Oh, by the way, there was a question that I saw
earlier on that was like, who is the person that saves Alvin or comes
to meet with Alvin? Album? Looks up and see someone it was you
lot? Yeah? In campaign A right in Campaign A, Yeah, I
was going to jump to it at some point and they never did. Oh,
the new Mirror is maybe my favorite character. Actually, you're right there,
you go, Thank you, Tim d Yeah, yeah, I don't
know her so much. Too hard to pick. I really, I really
enjoy bringing some of these characters to life, and they just mean as much
to me as like my own children, you know what I mean, Making
me pick my favorite pet. Yeah, okay, we can't do that.
I have a couple of questions for you here. It was dark fire in
the water in the future, that place after it got sunken through the weapon
that was too strong and destroyed it. I'm sorry, I have to read
that as is because I'm sorry. Yeah, do you as this one already?
I don't know when I when I when I wrote the place, it
wasn't If that helps, Okay, it was just a mindhole, Okay.
I did have a pretty strong feeling that film Asia would be destroyed and no
longer existing in the far future because one of the things that I knew,
so Filmsia is supposed to be like the best of the best. It's like
the Shining example, the Utopia, as close as you can get. But
with that comes a certain power as well, and it was also the center
and the ruler of the world and the foremost technologically advanced and strongest. And
with that power means you break my first role of dying order. You can't
have power without it being in evil, and I didn't want them to be
like evil, but I had to kill it. That was what it was,
the most powerful place in the world set the first example of what was
going to be just endlessly recurred in this of power corrupting. So it's dead.
I like to think that. So one thing that I think that they
worked out was how to use They don't know what the gates are for,
yeah, but some people probably find the gates and go, there's a lot
of magic here that we can harness. Now, vengeance is, for all
intents and purposes, plugged into the gate of fire. Yeah, and it's
really the only reason they're able to do this god killing thing. They find
all the bids, they figure out how to use magic to send off whatever
it is, a death beam to all of you know, death Star,
all of the gods, including Chaos, and but the power it would take
has to be from chaos. So therefore I like to think the vengeance is
plugged into that. So what the at some point Felmicia made this fucking thing
where they were going to send Felmsia up out of the ocean and and create
this kind of floating continent that is shielded that is just this like completely safe
place. I kind of think that when they set that machine off that was
probably also powered by the gate, they went to lift it up into the
air, but the gate doesn't move because it's immore all than Calmon moved and
then it just went And I kind of think that's what happened, And that's
all the bodies there that Wow working with, So I think that's what happen.
And with the destruction of Thelmesia, I think the machine works. I
think the ark and I worked. I think it would have worked, but
they didn't realize that the gate wouldn't move. With the mountain, gate remains
completely and it's exactly the same as when we saw it in Dark Fire two
thousand years ago, underwater until probably the Fall of Magic, when I imagine
probably all the Guardians and the Gate and everything. Just so that's another question
that somebody had that I thought you might want to answer, because I do
know The answer to this one, wouldn't dust fail become an uninhabitable area after
the loss of magic since the only way to get water was cleric magic.
Yes, but also Dustfel is being kept magically perpetually hot, which means the
magic that keeps dust Bella desert stops, so it reverts to whatever the state
was before. Yeah, becoming probably ball again. Yeah, you started soil
and soil and growth and stuff return. It might be difficult because it's just
become like now all desert now, but the the map is like it doesn't
make any sense for a reason. So now I think it would look more
like Earth, as in the deserts and stuff are all over the place.
They're not on the equator and shit like that. And I know it seems
like not the type of thing I would think of, but I do think
of that stuff. And I remember just being like wizards did it? You
know, magic is what's keeping this place hot and keeping these islands floating and
stuff. So I like to think that, you know, Dustfel does kind
of normalize again, and probably when you when you killed magic and you reset
the world and we have Aura sat on a stump and a tree in the
background. You know, you've reset all of this place so that dustfel can
grow again, you know, and there was all there's like a stranglehold on
everything for all of these cycles, and you've if even if you know,
you recreate the beginning of another cycle, and eventually all this power comes back
in and it was all recorrupted and everything for a while. At least you
hit a true reset bun I think, yeah, I like that. So
I think that's that's where it reverts back to whatever it was before. Now
that's the other question that I don't know the answer, what and why and
how it doesn't sink or anything. A lot of people think it's under I
thought it was thinking. Yeah, I think I called you in a state
where I was like, please tell me my children aren't dead. Don't take
them from me a second doesn't even return to the future where it's from.
It doesn't do anything. They lose my children a second time. Yeah.
So there are a couple more questions here. I like this one because we're
talking about NPCs. In all three campaigns, you were so great at making
memorable and PCs. May I ask how you prepare NPCs? I come up
with Usually I'm like they need something in this next scene, like I Ora
needed someone to potentially provide a cart for her to leave Bain and go back
to Belna. So I would have put more effort into Nine Lives, because
there's a very high chance that Aura is going to get on this card.
She might walk, she might get a horse from somewhere else, she might
do something. I do the same thing, and I always have, and
I think we've discussed this on the Ready to Roll podcast a few times.
But I usually just give them like a thing. I write down their name.
I write down how they sound so that I can remember, you know,
this is a Scottish accent. I write down a couple of interesting things
about them. Maybe maybe I'll give them a description. Sometimes I don't write
down what they look like, because I like to sometimes leave that to you.
Sometimes I just go to Dwarf and he's wearing you know, like kind
of crazy things, and you can decide how they look. Other than that,
you can pick their eye color, their skin color. You know,
they got big lips, they got like lipstick on, you know, what
is it? What they got a big beard? Are they muscly? Are
they thin? You get to project your own ideas onto it. And another
thing with me not being able to push my you know, internal bullshit onto
stuff because why would I get all in their imaginations together? And then I
usually just write like something quirky about them, something interesting. I'll give you
an example. I guess, let me see what I wrote. Four nine
lives, nine nine lives to write with words on the numbers, go nine
lives, ex bandit turned legit, dwarf, general goods, mergent travels,
the Alexandria Great Road between Casperwarf, bame Yield, Bolona, Dayton to Solva
as a horse named clop As, alcohol, books, maps, food,
animals, parts, nicknacks, jewelry, gems, hidden leather, working potions,
poisons, songs, instruments and tools. And that's it. That's my
whole character. Nine lives. Well, but then you make you are in
it, and then when decisions or things present themselves, you make a decision.
Right, he's an ex bandit turned legit. That's all I need.
Yeah, that's that's his entire character. And what happens from the moment,
So Aurra sits down next to him and she goes, what does he look
like? Is he got any tattoos? And I'm like, he probably doesn't
toes. Yeah, yeah, he's got some toes. You know, he's
got this which is from this side of the world. And then she's like
questioning, like what do you get this cart? And I'm like, well,
he's an ex bandit, so I didn't steal it. He did steal
it, you know, like it's that and really that's a lot of what
I do. He's legit now. Yeah. Now, when it comes to
very very important in PCs like Death Singer and Dark Fire or Solomon or it's
like a fucking three page document what did he do? Who Death Singer?
After? Where did he go? What did he do? You? What
do you think he did? I don't know, And I love that I
don't know, So yeah, I'm glad shooting idea because I, oh,
he fascinates me. He did meet him though at doing Dying Order at one
point what oh my god, I want to reach through And so I don't
know. Making it in PC is a whole thing. We have a podcast
called Ready to Roll. You can watch some of the episodes on the YouTube
and the restaurant on the Patreon and things and stuff. Yeah, we have
a couple of episodes it's probably going to be a much better in depth version.
There was a question about how you balance and stuff as well. I
don't know if you want to address that or ready to roll. Okay,
we got all all the time in the world to address that ship. Yeah,
okay, this stuff is I need to answer all of my yeah grin
questions. Well, it's up to date. So the last six in there
are the last six? All right? One Blake's comments about dust Fell and
discord canonical. Yes, I'm going to say yes if Heybe runs a Liqueen
campaign and Brad is the players. Wait, I deleted that one. That's
what's happening. That's what's happening next. That's why she deleted it. Yeah,
I guess that's it, right. What are the other guardians? Yeah,
I thought that would be cool. I wanted to know that one too.
I don't know exactly. Let's find out what I wrote. Oh new
lord, nice, I was going to say that for the end? What
is it book? When? Yeah, look, I don't know why anyone
read it. Oh my god, you fucking just I want to reach into
your brain and rip that part out. That fucking frustrating. Sorry, it's
all right, it's not you. It's just that part of your brain that
is mean to you and I hate it. Protective. Just don't think like
I think it's been really fun to explore through the game, but I think
if I just wrote it all down, you'd be like, this is just
no, you're wrong whatever. No, I want a Lacrinlare book with like
details and city maps, and I if I want that, I know other
people want it. So you are incorrect, sir. Part of your brain
that says it's not worth it. Then yeah. So here's what I have.
The gates the Gate of Heaven miss Lands held out of time dust.
Well, you're going too fast, hold on slow down episode one. I
know, but it's been over a year, Bradley, So I don't remember
by the way I was taking all. The Gate of Heaven is in the
Mistlands. The Gate of Hell is inc I wanted to go to the Mistlands
so badly. Okay, so, but who's the guardian of the gate the
gate in the Mistlands? Do we know? Do you know? Let's see
the mist Lands eternally shrouded in mist a tentative ally to Flmicia for a long
time, powerful Elven influence over the land now this is generalized just to luc
into it's not time. Whatever. The reclusive misfolk keeps themselves, they're known
mostly as powerful wizards. The Gate is found at the center of a great
forest, inside a long forgotten ancient temple. Guess what that looks like.
Final Fantasy seven. Guardian is a monk like construct, and it's sometimes referred
to by the misfolk as the Gate of Sight. So that's really all I
had on it, just for the record. Dark Veil, now this is
information that is available somewhere. It's a wasteland of poisonous creatures underad monstrony,
atrosities, demonic aberrations. Willingly going here is considered akin to suicide. Even
flying over darkfel is dangerous. What little research there is states that Dark Vel
the gate location is a deep inside a terrible cavern network. Because I thought
would be called to do the under dark properly filled with nightmarish creatures, It's
believe the Guardian is a reaper like demon who cannot be bested by simple combat.
Dustvell is the Titan god of the Sands Coral Kingdom, deep under the
sea inside of a trench. Even the most powerful and noble have rarely visited
the kingdom itself. Emissaries from the Coral Kingdom have proved to be friendly,
open and amenable with the surface people. This isn't like, you know,
hidden away necessarily, it's just really fucking hard to get to, which means
that so they have, you know, like the ark and Eight Inquisition down
there as well. They're just murff folk. The Gate of Water is openly
worshiped and found at the center of the Palace of the Water Kingdom, and
the guardian is the ageless King rad The was going to be an epic reveal
if you ever went there. The Giant Lands the plains and rocky hills of
the Giant Lands. The Giant folk here act aggressively towards small folk settlements on
the plains and coasts. The Gate is found at the base of a singular
mountain towards the center of the continent. The guardian is a tiny sprite who
takes challenges on a psychedelic reflection. Okay, sorry, pretty much, yeah
you do. Riazarion doesn't have a gate, but that's a jungle place.
The far west Sky Islands. The Alcaebela Goat of Sky Islands are a marvel
to science, a set of floating islands in the far West. Notable features
of the land are that the trees grow with white leaves, regardless of the
tree type. People believe the land to be divine and sacrice. Is worshiped
by many who pray to nature gods like druids. Druids come here, they
draw energy from it. Nobles kings emperor's request that their lands and temples worship
this place. The lands are guarded by a set of strict monks that refuse
to allow settlement or desecration of the Sky Islands, and the Gate of Wind
is atop the highest of the islands. The guardian is an ancient dragon called
Dragon. I knew it. I knew it. I wanted to go there
so badly. There was a Yeah, is also a D and D thing,
and also there was I saw there's a there's a there's an anime.
It's based on a game something Blue something. They have an airship in it
and they fly to a fucking the immediately wanted to say blue, but that's
not right. What it's called. Someone will someone will get it, okay,
But it was going to be a bit like that. Danderol is the
Dwarf and Homelands, which which by the way, have like great big archanized
cities and woven you know, big moving cities that move around. There are
loads of locations and oh, there's no gate here, so I don't know
what I'm reading. Alexandria doesn't have a gate, yos Karen doesn't have a
gate. But we went there. Musan is where the Tief things are from
and where Aura was born. There's a place called the shores of Faiheim,
which was where the original Gates of One was going to begin and they were
going to get a mission to go and kill God from there, so it's
just named because of that. I think we're done. Oh there's the Dragon's
Reach, where you have the Valley of the Vadan King, which is a
dragon born village mountainous valley in the Northern regions, which also contains te your
Vealm, which is a village at the base of the Valley of the Veteran
King, constantly under raid from dragon riders and why vened riders. There's a
temple to Savres has always stood at the top of the valley, and upon
a visit, that's why you asked to the month Wow. Zira was told
to make her way to Blowna as fast as she could. The Western Gate
will bring forth one who must be protected aided and followed the successor the Tower,
and Zara was handed a card with a tower on it and Ninjral Chonic.
It says tower, and her natural tongue is to Chronic. By the
way, she doesn't speak common. She's learned like not for this probably well
maybe for this, I don't know. And her father is a bloodline as
well, and also like a fucking baller old dude. Yeah, I really
like his information. I'm telling you lore book when law book when? So
I think that's all of them right. If it's not, then I guess
make it up yourself. That's it cosmol Infelmasia yes, which we knew that
one. Yep. So this is an interesting one. What do all the
background lighting, hats and clothing indicate when you GM not much until like two
episodes, the final episode that was false where I was completely dressed differently and
fucking with the lights to make you uncomfortable. Yeah, to try and tell
you that something was off, something wrong. I liked fucking with that stuff
in this. It was about just making you as players feel like something was
wrong. I just wanted to just try and I really wanted to try and
pull it off of yeah, like, but I wanted you to be like,
you're looking at the table and you're moving your little minis around and you're
moving stuff around in roll twenty, and you're looking at your character sheet.
But I wanted it to bleed through, yeah, which is why I changed
entirely to quest. I really wanted it to feel like you felt uncomfortable,
like things had changed, Like even though you knew what we were doing,
and you were into this routine of coming and playing a game on a Sunday
and you knew who your characters were, just you're not comfortable entirely because so
much had changed and the very nature of your world and planet had changed.
So that was really all that was. I think I had. I had
Red, meaning that something crazy was going to happen. Yeah, which was
why I think it was Red for the fake ending, Yeah it was,
And I dressed all differently to freak you out. And then Red was the
penultmate episode of this because it was like this is all about to act again
this time, and Blue just meant that I was finally telling the truth and
that's why it's blue today and I wore gray just because there's no association for
color. Yeah, I was, okay, but you did that throughout the
whole thing. No, just for those two just for those two episodes,
Yeah, okay, okay, because I try to do that too, where
I will wear like either a neutral color but preferably black when I'm GMing,
so that there is no like, it's just a weird thing that I kind
of do specifically so there's no bleedover or I have the freedom to do that
if I'm going to be doing an NPC or something strange. So that's why
I only wanted to do it for that one episode because it was so prominent.
I knew that I had to do it for the last one as well.
Yeah. Otherwise, yeah, you know, you wouldn't believe me,
because you know it was the actual end. What was the choice that took
magic from the world? Somebody asked, which we know, but I just
thought you might want to clarify. Well, so they legitimately kill Chaos.
They either kill Chaos in such a way that she becomes a phoenix, you
know, is reborn. You kill her, and she transfers the loss of
her essence to Aura or becomes Chaos, or you legitimately kill Chaos, and
there is genuinely no magic anymore. It was vengeance, vengeance, did it?
Yeah? It was specifically the B team when they were trying to stop
Vengeance from going off and Errol hit the button right, she just said it.
There was a puzzle on top of the Vengeance machine in which you had
to remove. Sorry, I was trying to remember if er was girl or
did was that ever? I was a girl, But I don't know.
Maybe maybe she wasn't wasn't sure, forgot for a moment. Yeah, I
don't know. But Errol, so you guys were there was a puzzle you
had to work out which which there was. So there were the stones that
were on the backs of the ark andized spiders and stuff that you used.
There were those, one represented each school of magic. In the center was
the Divination Stone. She random rolled the dice and pulled the Divination Stone out,
which was not the order you have to do it, which means it
didn't shut down the machine, which just means it went off. That's all
it was. The gun was fired. It was the double tap. It
was literally like just a Zombieland's reference was ridiculous. The machine goes off twice.
It's a double tap on the gods, and the first time it goes
off is the beginning of the campaign. The second time it goes off was
when Errol Page just brings the thing out. If I can, I'll look
for it. At some point the puzzle was awesome it one day, I'll
just present it to you, send it to me. Yeah, I would
like, I'll gim you through it as if you'd gone up there in an
or reality. If you successfully, I would love that very much. She
pulls the divination stone out, which fits so well for me because also it
creates I imagine that it created some sort of divination effect when the machine goes
off, which is how Cairo was able to access those divine properties that were
very very latent in her very thin New Mara of bloodline. But yeah,
so really it vengeance legitimately just does its job. It kills all of the
gods, even though technically the I kind of feel like the only real god
is chaos, and Chaos isn't even a you know, isn't like a old
man in a beard she's just and I say she purely because day of Eki
is a he, and it's just that's the only reason it's it's an energy
chaos. It's just some you know, force, more than a god necessarily.
But the machine is designed to kill God, so it does and kills
all of them, and chaos is really the only real God, I guess.
And this is all into spirituality and what your definitions of what God are
and stuff. And obviously that's another one of those things where I was trying
not to push my own ideologies. You know, I'm very very atheist,
but I was working in this realm of God's are real? So where do
we go from that? And I answered a lot of those questions. I
had a character who was like, if God is real, I hate God
and I hate the gods for what they've done to me. And that was
Cedric. You know, you have these like what happens when you have a
when God is real, still have these characters that hate them, and so
that was kind of the point of it really, But anyway, yeah,
that's what the machine does. It kills chaos, and that's what kills magic.
So there is and that machine might not have gone off you literally could
have had a completely different campaign a puzzle, and you would have had all
of your powers. We would have we would have dealt probably with the Vendoris
stuff with Elie. We would have seen you guys. You know, Okay
that that makes me a little bit sad that we didn't get to go do
those things. But I think I just presslang gone questline, gone questline gone,
this happens, you know, that's all one point. It's very fun.
I think it's perfect. I really really love like when I look at
all of the different divergent points that this campaign could have gone along, either
created by myself because I was freaking out and I wanted to change everything,
or just the Dice rolls or like error Papals thing out and Vengeance goes off
or doesn't go off. Everything that happened, all of the divergent points,
even dice rolls down to the twenties that you rolled at the right time,
one for Zach at the end. Stuff like that. I'm so happy with
it. I'm just so happy, like this is my ideal. I feel
like a lot of the time when you're making a dn D it kind of
reminds me of those games that have multiple endings, that you have a canonical
ending or a true ending or sometimes good ending and stuff. In my head,
we got the true, happy, good ending correct ending to this,
and that all of the others might have been slightly less canonical to my little
brain, I think because I'm a gem, I know that there were some
good fucking side stories that we didn't get to do because it's just what happens,
like you know, Yeah, oh yeah, I can't, but I
I feel the same way. I felt so satisfied with the way that the
show ended that I could literally go with nothing more from La Crine and feel
satisfied like you had done. I mean, I'd always be very happy to
return to it, but I don't feel like I don't feel dissatisfied with the
way you ended it. It's very good. I'm happy with it as well.
Yeah, is that the apple more? Yes? I mean that was
a good segue. But there are a couple more final questions that I thought
I would throw in there. Okay, who's the arch inquisitor? Did we
answer this one? It's hard for me. I have talked to you personally
about so much shit, so I just want to double check we did.
But it was the Primal, the last Primal that wasn't Solomon. I think
also the arch inquisitor is not just that Primal. I think there are probably
a group of them. I really liked that show Counterpart. They kind of
did that. Yeah, and I think it was a little bit like that
with without without the Primal involved, they wouldn't have had the can I Inquisition
be as insane as it was, because you guys are all like, how
do they know everything? Everyone's always in their like they always know everything?
How can they always know everything because they have this fucking yeah, insane preacher
that's yeah, creature. But yeah, I think there was probably some other
arch Inquisitors. There were probably just some other people who inherit the title,
But really it was the Primal, And I didn't want to answer that,
by the way, only I didn't answer that question until we got into the
epilogue quest portion I was. I did not really, Yeah, I didn't
know until then. Until then, Yeah, I think even even all the
way up until the last moment, I wasn't sure if it was da of
Eki. I fucking love that. And then I had to answer. I
needed to. I needed to because we needed to flesh out this last arc,
and the way that I fleshed out was very heavily reliant on the inquisition
being brought in. So I decided to answer some questions that I hadn't planned
on it. But for a long time, I'm like, what a cool
is that? Him? Is that baby? Like? What so that was?
It was an interesting question for me a lot of the time. Oh
good, wow, Okay, this one I feel like you answered, but
I don't know if you just answered it to me, So I will throw
it in there. What was behind Sooner's door? Or was it the tower?
Well? So the doors were not your doors. They were doors to
other boundaries and the boundaries of the people that drew you to the race.
So you were each drawn by each of these gods. You're chosen at random,
but you get drawn by a specific god, and you know these against
gods. So then what would the challenge have ben was behind her door?
I just assumed it was the tower? Yeah it was, it is?
You did it? Yeah, the the so each god gets their own boundary
like you did. It's a prison cell, but it is what it is.
They do have influence and power, they do. They're not just locked
away they're just kind of they're vacuis and will They're not like I can call
They're not like completely powerless or anything like that. People like praying to them
and drawing from them and stuff. It's still kind of true, I think,
which was also, by the way, a thing I wasn't sure where
about. You know, is the pantheon of gods an actual pantheon of God's
or is it all just false? You meet a real god from the forgotten
realms called Kosuth, who is not a god in my realm. He is
not a person who defeated you know, a cycle or whatever. So there's
there's crossovers, you can get stuff from other there's multiple worlds or you know,
and stuff. But they are reaching their own boundaries. So those doors
were just doors in from your boundary into their boundary, that's all it was.
So you went to Savage's own home and boundary, and you guys had
your own boundary that you could have split into four if you'd wanted or whatever,
and slowly it was going to just turn into what you wanted it to.
So, you know, whatever, sooner, if God sooner existed,
what would her boundary look like? Would have been a question one day or
you know, early stuff like that. So for Mercle, it was this
fucking horrible wasteland of mist and smoke and you know, ash and bone.
It was just this you know, mountains and towers and a lot of the
things that people prayed to him with and maybe reminiscent of his cycle. Maybe
he lived they all lived in towers. I don't know, underwater for deep
shalers, because his cycle was entirely underwater. They were all just light beings
that lived underwater. It was not like sharks and shit. They were like
beings of light. So I just imagine this one cycle where the ice melts
truly, you know, and it was just a water world cycle. And
then there was like my leaky and some of the unicorns and stuff like that
in the you know, just this autumn seasonal boundary, which was another shared
one, just to prove that you could share, which is what I wanted
to do. Loved that area, it was so good. Yeah, so
yeah, what was behind as soon as all was the tower was the tower
yet Okay freaked me out for a second there. So how do you feel
your GMing style has evolved from dust Vale to Dying Order so dust Veel,
I split myself between two campaigns. I purposefullly went experimental. I learned a
lot from it, but I wasn't happy with a lot, and I was
happy with a lot just from the GMing standpoint, I felt very green back
then. I think my my understanding was good enough that it was just it
was what I wanted to do. But I just was very unsure about my
own style and technique. And it's hard to do experimental stuff in D and
D because there's other people that you have to be aware of. If it
does work, it can ruin like a year of your life, so it's
like it's kind of scary to do. I don't think I knew the rules
to break before. I broken with that a little bit, and I felt
like I was very very stressed out and tired a lot of the time,
and so a lot of the things that I wanted to do, I felt
very pulled in multiple different directions, and I just didn't know how to deal
with it. Halfway through Dust Fail, I gave up and decided to do
what the fuck I want, and I went, I'm just going to do
my stupid shit. It was going to be a sand God that they fight,
and they're going to travel through time and I'm gonna do all this crazy
shit. I'm gonna Ninja's and a princess and I'm going to have a flashback
and all this stuff thatted happening because it's all the shit that I think is
just awesome that happens, And so I started doing that more. That's exactly
what I did with this. It's exactly the same thing. Started out being
experimental, but in a different way in that I wanted to be. I
was going to run this in an orthodox way to just brush up on the
craft of being a D and D d M. And then I was like,
I hate it. I'm going to do what I want to do.
And I literally had a hero Nakamura show up and go I'm changing everything,
and then I did that. So have I learned anything? No? Nothing,
No. I think the differences that I ran Dark Firing between it and
A Dark Fire was me going I want to do I want to take everything
I know works and put it in a campaign. I want no new players,
nothing wrong with new players or anything, but I just didn't want to
have to teach anyone anything so that I could concentrate on just running stuff a
little bit. So I got you guys, you wag total lie, but
all this stuff, you know, just it's not your first time on a
table story show or your first time on doing anything. So I just got
some more kind of expert Vectron players and I just took everything that I knew
works from dming production, you know this, what do I like doing?
And I just ran it with the complete intention of changing everything, because I
was like, I'm going to make this, this is how I know how
to run something, and then twist it into this one. But what I
think it actually did, and the difference is, like we were talking about
at great length earlier on, is that I was able to by the time
I got to this one. I feel like I can put a lot more
metaphor and mirroring the actual craft of writing it as a story with layers being
able to fit things into it like metaphors and allegories, and I can do
this triple cycle thing inside of a story about cycles in the third iteration of
your yeah, I'm fucking with control and chaos while removing the rules of the
game over the course of a year. Yeah, stuff like that I could
never have done during Dust fell because I was too busy, like I don't
know what the actual rules are, or even just having the confidence to go,
yeah that works for now, and knowing the rules enough to go that's
game breaking. So I can't allow that, or yeah I can do stuff
like that. There's a question about balancing that we didn't really get to,
but like, I just don't give a shit about balancing anymore because I don't
need to. I completely am in control of everything happening in the game now
I don't, okay, Whereas back then I was like this has to be
perfectly balanced, and I was like really like crazy about it, and but
now the most stuff like that. Just so that people don't assume you're like
real roading and you know, doing whatever you want, you do this thing
where it's like, well, if you run into an unbalanced fight, you
need to be smart enough to leave the fight, you know. So it's
that's what you mean by like you have complete control over everything in your game.
It's like, well, in real life, not everything's balanced, so
you have to when you get into an encounter and you think you're losing,
you have to be smart enough to bail. Yeah, And so I don't
really know how to answer the question too succinctly. But yeah, I skipped
it earlier because I figured it's a tough question to try to navigate, but
it's worth bending on, Like, is there anything I think you know?
If there's anything I can definitively say, can I ask you? But I
do what you're excited to try? Believe that I am better at Yeah?
Yeah, that's just like anything you do anything for three years, you're going
to be better at it. Yeah. Yeah, what am I excited to
try? Yeah? I got system just like this stuff. But yeah,
if you don't want to mention it, it's cool too. Yeah to have
I see you don't do it, don't do it several ideas. I I
feel equal parts free and lost. Yeah, I feel free because this got
to the point for me where recalling all of the information for the last three
years of law in these these things, these questions that I'm answering tonight are
really hard to do sometimes, especially when you're playing multiple characters. It's dying
order towards the end became just recall for me. I had to keep recalling
information and make sure it was correct so that people could check it because it
was important they were questions and they were answers, and I needed them to
be correct. You wanted to make sure well. It was a lot of
me just going, yeah, when you meet a goliath, they often say
dirty because it just it's a sign of respect between goliaths. I just made
it up. But now it's law that I wrote three years ago that I
need this goliath to know today that you random aside from the thin Yeah,
seems mister liquid, you know, like that mister Repeating's rifle, that's his
name. You know, I'm pulling all these things. These are these are
facts now. It was shipping made up off the top of my head in
session six of Dust Fail, Session eighteen of Dark Fire, that I don't
know. They've become like important elements of the world I have to recall.
So there's so much that I actually really feel like I would struggle to run
another thing in this setting because it's I need like a wiki for it or
something like that, because it's just so much law. Now it's really just
built up so I'm free of it. Part of me is like, oh,
I actually don't want to run anything else in this saying so you're answering
because I'm struggling final question, now are you if? I also love it?
I feel very comfortable here. I could easily run a story. I
could run a story in any of these other locations at any other timeline and
just enjoy it. We never got to see Dragon's Reach. I love it
there. I know so much we didn't get to see. I'd like to
see the mist Lands. I'd like to see the Everyone requested dark Vel.
Everyone was desperate for a dark Vel campaign, and I like thest Lands so
badly. To a campaign that's a jungle, yeah, you know, I
want to see all these things. I just I would like to see,
you know, stuff in places we've been at different times. I'd like to
go back to Alexandria during the dark Fire time after they lose a war,
like what they do, What does it look like? What's Polona like?
You know? Yeah? Is it small and weird? And are they like
Viking like? You know? What do they look like? I could easily
do it and enjoy it, But I really feel like the story is told.
There's just no story on any level that I get invested in. On
the I like the bigger picture. I like what's going on behind the scenes.
I love watching you guys fuck around and roll dice and kill a goblin
and you know, explore a dungeon. But why is that dungeon there?
What does it mean? All of that stuff is answered. Every story I
wanted to tell out of this world is told. The story was the Gates
of One. Yeah, that story is told. Everything around it has been
told to a level that I never expected to tell. Have No. I
know that it wouldn't be fulfilling for me to tell any to do another full
length long campaign. I would like to go and do something else. I
feel sick at the idea of moving away from fantasy. The closer I get
to moving away from fantasy and running something modern, or running something different,
or you know, a genre like I'm looking at like Call of Cthulhu,
I'm looking at like Star Wars and stuff, and I'm looking at all these
things, and I'm like, but I want to run another D and D
campaign now, And it's for some reason, I just want to do it.
And I don't know if it's because I'm comfortable. I don't know,
if it's because this is just what I enjoy. I do that with horror
too, I don't know. And if I'm going to run another thing,
and deep down I'm like, oh, run another five y campaign. I
would. I am excited at the idea because it's been so long writing another
setting that's fantasy, that is, I've been in this one for three years,
you know, freedom, I loved may King a world, you know,
and now I've had really done like a few cities and a you know,
fleshed out a continent in a different time period. I haven't made a
world Satin, thought about a map Satain, thought about how the rules of
you know, magic work here, stuff like that. So it's been a
long time since I've made or made one since I made the Gates of One
around the time same time as I made Francture Worlds, which is another world
building I did so for me, I think, I mean, I'm I'm
just done with LaCrin, Like I really have no other stories that I want
to tell. There are plenty in there that could be told. So it
sounds like maybe you should write down your world in a book so other people
can tell their stories. Anyway, thank you so much for joining us on
this journey. I like, I don't know, I don't know. I
feel like never say never kind of with a lot of this stuff. I
don't know if I'll come back and do some other things. I don't know
if I'll do a short thing or a long thing, or I'll do a
a referential thing. I don't know. If we'll put together a book.
I don't know. I don't know at the moment, I have no book
in the works. But for sure I will do some other things. The
same with Franksip Worlds, I have no more stories to tell. Their Fractor
Wells was designed to tell one story, and I told that story, and
then we did a second story, and I didn't enjoy it as much because
I was like, I'm just kind of breaking something to fit outside of its
own mold, and I feel like, if I feel like I already have
done, that does fail. Dark Fire shouldn't exist. Oh stop, I'm
happy with them. But this world was created to tell Dying Order as a
story. It was designed to tell a story called The Gates of One,
which was pretty much going to be Dying Order in it. Really, you
probably would have gone on a longer journey around the world to the Gates and
stuff like that. We only went to one gate mental the Gates of What.
Yeah, yeah, and that story is told, and I just just
don't have anything that I think would be extremely fulfilling for me. M Yeah,
which is what we've all. If we've learned anything from watching your campaigns
over the years, is that that's like an integral part of our experience,
right, is when you're having fun and you're doing what you want to do,
that's when I can't it's something that my players would enjoy, so that
you would enjoy watching or and if I'm not into it, yes, if
I'm just kind of running a setting just because I want to be like,
you know, there's no more questions to ask of Laquine, so I would
just be interested in what we're looking at, which is why you know,
there's there's potential for like little short things one shots, you know, epilogue
or things and stuff like that. But I know, not really. I
guess we'll have to find out how. Yeah, this has been a very
long Q and A session, but it has been three years of my life
actively working on this pretty much every single week. I think in total,
I've had three months away from Lacrine. Well, there was about two months
between dust Fell and Dark Fire, I think, and there was about a
month between dark Fire, and you were already writing. But in that months
I was writing stuff. I was writing dark Fire, you know, a
month before the end of dust Fell. And this was all written in twenty
sixteen. Yeah, a year before I ran dust Fell. Maybe maybe it's
like six months or something. I don't know. So it's all I've thought
about. And anyone that's jimmed anything, you know what it is your brain.
You'll be laying there, you'll be going to sleep, and your brain
goes, what about if this happened? And you're like, oh, that's
cool, and you start writing it, and then you sit random times of
the day and you're like, oh, I need to think. You know,
I wouldn't be cool if day and Vicky was so you come up with
these things. My brain has been thinking about it pretty much NonStop for three
years, and hopefully everything is answered that needs to be answered. Frankly,
I answered everything in the game. I was really happy to be able to
do that. All of the answers are in the game. It's I didn't
need this thing at the end here, and I'm so happy for that because
that's like it just I have a little low CD. I like it.
I like it when stuff's all tied up. And if you ever just watched
all three campaigns in a row in any order, I truly believe you can
watch them in any order. But if you watch them and you had any
answers I had any questions, the answers should be in there, and if
they're not, it's because they were supposed to be in or ambiguous, or
they had dual meanings and stuff like that. There's all sorts of gems in
there. There's loads in dying order. There's a lot of threads that I
tied up, and maybe they're not obvious, and maybe they are. And
you know, there's stories that we didn't tell that I was intending to,
and there are stories that we did tell that I had no intention of telling.
But you know, that's what it is. That's what it is with
D and D and Yeah, this has probably been one of the things that
I put the most effort into in my entire life. It's ridiculous. I've
never thought this hard on something and put this much effort into a passion project
and I'm really happy with it, which I don't say about a lot of
stuff. Usually i'll nitpick things. Usually I won't allow myself to be proud
of something that I've built. You should be very proud, Braud. It
is very good. I'm really proud of you. Yeah, I'm very very
happy with it. I really enjoyed running it. I don't think it's as
good as everyone says it is, you know, Like I think a lot
of it is just me drawing from old Final Fantasy games and referencing this stupid
thing here and just some like really you know, basic bitch philosophy that everyone
thinks it is awesome, but really, you know, it's just me pretending
to be smart in the corner behind my DMS green sweaty little man behind the
curtain, while everyone thinks I'm the Wizard of Oz. But that's just dming,
isn't it. But I'm happy with it. I am. I'm very
very happy with all three campaigns. They've had ups and downs. I've had
my ups and downs during them. You know, I went through some shit
in my own personal life that I'm amazed that I look back and I go,
I don't know how I got that out during those times. And there's
a lot of questions in this that I thought about, just sitting by myself,
having to question the philosophy of many things that I brought up in these
campaigns that helped me to probably just help me in my private life and my
own brain and stuff to sit and question those things. So it's been a
really good experience for me. I need this creative out lit and it's just
so rewarding when that creative outlet is something that other people enjoy. And that's
not just my players, who will say they enjoyed spending every week with me,
but would always leave the call as soon as it was over. I'd
be like, and thanks for watching, and they'd all leave the calls really
weird and start another one without me. I'm just starting some rumors right now.
No, the players all enjoyed themselves, and I'm very happy to have
facilitated that people watching it. But like again, most of all the people
that were really really into it, the people that were really nerding out and
looking in the discord every week and theory crafting and picking up on little references
and things. I have always said I put my players first, and then
you know, the audience at home, But I actually think that this one
dying order I made for those people because those people are me, and how
I enjoy media, and it's just again, it's rewarding to be able to
make something that people watch on that level. And people did, so it's
like it's yeah, when you put this much effort into it and you hope
that someone will watch it in the way that it's intended, and then they
do, it's absolutely worth it. You know, blood, sweat and tears,
The nights of sitting there working myself to death and then starting work on
the indeed stuff prep and things super worth it. So I'm really happy with
it. I'm happy that people enjoyed it. It's just the indeed, it's
not a big deal. Don't cry and keep it together. Yeah, it's
a very nice feeling to complete these things, and I feel very good having
been able to do it, you know, not just in myself, but
in general. It's nice to be able to complete these because sometimes they end.
Sometimes Noodle punches a wall and it brings a mountain down and tpks the
entire party and you just have to end your beloved campaign sometimes and yeah,
sometimes you know, they don't lift off, Like the gates of one just
didn't happen, and maybe we weren't. We wouldn't have any of it.
So it's it's very rewarding and very fulfilling. But yeah, I love getting
these to the end and feeling happy with the result. And that's where we're
at with this. Yeah, I I have something I'd like to read to
you that was like my thank you, But I also want you to have
the very very last word on the krin. So you have said your piece,
you will say something after this. I already I will always have the
lost word that word. Okay, okay, but it's not your like,
oh and one more thing and then you're gonna fucking cut the fucking thing.
Are you doing it right now? I've just ended the stream. I haven't
really haven't. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Perfect, you should have done
it. I'm fine, I'm doing it. But yeah, okay, all
right, So do you will you say something after this? Yes? Okay,
uh, okay, I can do this. Uh. Bradley, I
was done with D and D. I was done with five E and I
know I've told you this part before. I was bored of it, tired
of the experience, always feeling the same. The year in a tavern opening,
the stereotypical betrayals of each class, never feeling like I'm immersed enough where
like my input mattered. I will tell you this now, there is no
campaign like a brad Wodo campaign. These are the stories you ate your whole
life to be a part of. He brings his NPCs to life in a
way that you don't even put two and two together. That he's the gem
talking to himself. He just is. He cares for the player experience so
much that he will and have as rewritten an entire campaign which I wasn't sure
if you were going to talk about today what you did, probably more than
once. His stories have such depth and intricacy that I find myself, along
with half the inquisitors out there, wishing for just five minutes with his metaphorical
Charlie Wall. There are cute little nods here and there that he's put into
every game and story that we will never see. They will never see the
light of day, but he puts them there. Anyway. Rad sees you,
and you're a character in a way no other GM will. I often
joke that his passive perception score is too high. Your backstories are not just
props. Your actions have consequence, and he will go out of his way
to challenge your character, facilitate their growth, and by association, your growth
too. I've had the honor of being in not one, but two Brad
games, and I am forever changed by the adventure and the exp appearance.
I've learned a lot about letting go my perceived worth and being at peace with
times of helplessness. I'm sorry, I'm trying, red, I'm really drying.
I know myself better than I did before, and I am better for
it. There were times when the next session was the highlight of my week,
the thing keeping me excited. Playing in Brad's games has made me happy.
Thank you for the hours at your table. Thank you for the hours
of labor behind the scenes that we didn't see. Thank you for your dedication,
trust and commitment. And I know I speak for many when I say
LaCrin will be missed, but the stories will be returned too often, and
in that way, the adventure is not over. But thank you for the
journey. You're very welcome. Tomkin Bearing, I'm sorry, it's okay.
Thank you for making my trilogy all about you in the end, yep I
I yeah, I know how much that these these games mean to you as
well, and I put a lot of effort into these because I knew that
you would be sitting at the table and you would message me, you know,
like how you're one of the people who had messaged me on discord afterwards.
That would make me put the extra effort in between weeks between games when
I you know, I could phone it in, I think I can't.
I can't. I just can't because I think about some message that you sent
me, or somebody in the discord might have left something that makes me question
it and think about it. So thank you for for pushing me. But
also, you know, you're just a fantastic role player. So it's been
my honor to GM for you for two campaigns in a row, and hopefully
never again. Yeah, well that was a compelling argument to not leave the
cren So maybe stick around after this outro and maybe we'll shut up. Maybe
we'll dip a little toe in one last week. I don't have the stream
up hold on. Maybe we'll dip a little toe in one last time.
What do you say? All right, thank you so much everybody for watching
and for sticking with these campaigns, for watching table stories since you know,
way back in the beginning, some of the some of the effort that went
into this really really comes through, I think. And so I'm really glad
that you guys all enjoyed our game. You know, this isn't just my
game, it's yours and everyone that's influenced it. All Right, I'll see
you on whatever I do next. Bye. I don't know how long it's
been time in that place. It held no meaning, but I suppose it's
what got me here. It's all fading like a dream already. Anyways,
it's just been so long. It's just one last question I have to answer,
the last thing I have to do. My name is all this awful
fume, and I'm finally back home in the Silver City.