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This episode may contain content of a
graphic nature, including descriptions of physical and

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sexual violence against adults, children,
and animals. Listener discretion is advised.

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Hi everyone, I'm Talia and I'm
Tanya, and together we are Crimes and

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Consequences, a true crime podcast.
Hi everybody, welcome back to this episode

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of Crimes in Consequences. I am
Teleia and I'm here with my lovely co

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host Tanya. We are both two
attorneys that love true crime and discussing it

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and discussing it and food and shocking
each other. Yes, so she doesn't

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know the story. The story I'm
gonna tell today was commended by my parents.

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Oh your parents, So a shout
out to Mark and Lorraine. Hey,

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Mark and Lorraine for recommending it.
I'm going to give you a little

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teaser. So It's May twenty eighth, twenty eighteen, and about one point

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fifteen am in the morning, deputies
with the Ventura County Sheriff's Office responded to

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a report of a disturbance at a
condo in Thousand Oaks, California. When

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they arrived, they found twenty six
year old Chad o'meila dead and twenty seven

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year old Brin Spacer suffering from self
inflicted stat boots. And this story is

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very controversial, very controversial, and
I'm not sure how you guys will feel.

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You guys are all going to have
mixed feelings about this. Oh boy.

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So let me give you a little
bit of a background on Chadow Mi.

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He was twenty six in twenty eighteen. He was born to Sean o'melia

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and Michelle Larry Larvy Larav maybe Laravy. He was a Santa Santa Clarita.

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Isn't that word that one show is, Yeah, the Santa Clarita Diet,

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Yeah with Drew barrymar Yeah, Yes, Santa Clarita. He graduated from Chico

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State University in twenty seventeen. And
while he was attending school there, he

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was a very good just so you
guys know, he was a go getter.

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He was motivated wanted to be successful. So while he was there,

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he became a member of the Sigma
New International fraternity, where he served as

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a treasurer. He volunteered at the
Chico Wildlife Sanctuary and helped raise money for

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breast cancer. And he would even
pick up trash on the side of the

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road. Oh nice, lu teer. He spent in his childhood. He

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went to Heart High School. He
played on the a what is the Ayso

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soccer team? He did football and
he was very athletic. He was in

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He did really good in school and
even as an adult, he was always

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very fit. That's like his thing
to stay in shape. He worked for

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a accounting firm called Camarillo in September
twenty seventeen while studying to get a CPA

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license. Prior to that, while
he was in college, he knew he

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had a job and he made decent
money working at mybl accounting Services in Valencia

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under his supervisor, Sam Cho.
Eventually he moved to these condominiums. I

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was in the seventy block of Megan
Place in Thousand Oaks, California, and

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he had two roommates. And he
was a very big fan of boxing.

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And again he was outgoing. He
was one of those people that would always

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help people. He was volunteering.
He really wanted to succeed in life,

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and he was an avid fan did
I say of boxing? Avid fantom boxing.

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Now, he met a woman named
Brinn Spacer, and I'm gonna tell

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you a little bit about Britt.
In two thy seventeen, she was twenty

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seven. She was born to Mike
and Glory Spacier, and she had three

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siblings a lot of pets. She
grew up in Bloomington, Illinois, which

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is a suburb of Chicago. At
the age of four, Brinn was diagnosed

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with a hearing hearing loss and I've
read different things that said between two and

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four they discovered she couldn't hear that. While she wasn't completely deaf, but

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she couldn't hear that well. So
I know by the age of four she

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had hearing aids, and she didn't
let that stop her. She tried to

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fit in with society and go to
a normal school. She eventually graduated.

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She learned to read lips and again
she was very motivated. After she graduated

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from high school, she moved to
Missouri. She received her doctorate from Washington

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University School of Medicine, oh Saint
Louis. She was an audiologist. Huh.

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Then she got a job. This
is twenty seventeen. She gets a

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job in Thousand Oaks, California,
which for those that don't know where it

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is, it's about fifty miles.
It's a fifty mile drive north west from

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La Okay. And then She worked
as an audiologist at Thousand Oaks you see,

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Ala Health Center. Pretty impressive,
very impressive. According to former classmates.

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She didn't do drugs, she didn't
do marijuana. She did drink.

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I know that she called into work
one time because she was hungover, but

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she wasn't an alcoholic or anything.
I mean, she's young and social,

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social drinking pretty much to drink one
time, but it wasn't a problem for

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her. In late April or early
May of two thousand and eighteen, Brinn

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and Chad met by coincidence at Bona
Joe Freak dog park. They both had

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dogs. Okay, so they're there. They're at the dog park, at

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the dogs. They're both the same
age, they're both successful. They start

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talking. Chad asked her like to
kind of go out, and she said

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no. But they ran into each
other a few times, and at one

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point he gave her his business card
and she texted him she thought she was

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he was cute, and they met
up again at the dog park and they

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had a tiny bottle of Irish whiskey
and then they started dating, but it's

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casual dating. She eventually went to
his condo and he had two roommates.

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She got to know the roommates.
They would hang out, watch TV.

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She had sex. They had sex
together three maybe four times, but it

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wasn't a serious relationship. They're just
getting to know each other. And this

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is a quote from Brent. I
thought he was very funny. He was

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really nice to me. We were
always sarcastic with each other. He ended

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up being a really nice, funny
person. When I got to know,

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they hung out some more. They
said they had sex, but there's conflicting

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information about this. Some say that
Brenn didn't feel like a spy there,

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but I don't know. I just
know it didn't become serious. But some

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serious things happened. Yeah, really, we wouldn't be talking about it.

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Some really serious things happened. On
Monday night, May twenty eighth. This

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is a Memorial Day twenty eighteen.
Brinn had went out with some friends and

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they had a few drinks and it
was around ten thirty when she called Chad

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and she's asked if she could come
over and hang out and he's like sure,

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okay, And the two drinks some
smirnoff ice. Don't remember that,

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seeh I do remember those. And
they watched the show The Family guy.

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Okay, okay. Now there is
the roommate of Chad. His name is

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Vinnie, and I'll talk about Vinnie
and more and death. He came home,

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and when he came home, he
saw Brin was there, and he

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saw them like watching TV. There
was the other roommate. The other roommate

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was asleep, and the other roommate
would often take a sleeping pill or put

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in earplugs to be able to sleep
soundly. Chad smoked marijuana daily, that's

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just a fact. But he still
functioned. He's I mean, he's got

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a successful job. He's got a
successful job. I read some articles because

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I wrote this myself. I read
some articles in which it said that he

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would get up in the morning and
take his dog for a walk and smoke

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weed before he took his dog for
a walk. So the point being,

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I'm not saying he's a druggie.
I'm not saying he's a loser. But

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he was very experienced with marijuana.
Brinn wasn't. She had done it maybe

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eight times in her life, and
she never really felt an effect from it.

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And you know how some people don't
because she didn't smoke or anything.

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Maybe she didn't inhale. Yeah,
maybe she. I know there was a

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story of one time she went capping
with a boyfriend and she got the giggles,

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but she really wasn't very experienced with
marijuana. Chad goes outside and he

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has a bomb. You know,
a bomb. Yes, I've seen them.

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So it's not like something rolled up. It's not a gummy that everybody

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has now, or mince or whatever. This is a bong. And he's

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out on the patio and he's smoking
it, and Brinn comes outside and says

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she wants to hit. She I
don't know if she's trying to fit in

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cool, I don't know. So
she takes a hit and she says that

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she didn't really feel much from it. I have to put on my glasses

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because I gotta read a little bit
of this. They're on the patio,

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she's taking the hit, doesn't feel
much, and Chad says to her,

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here, let me put some more
in and take another hit, and he

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warns her, listen, your throat's
gonna hurt and you're probably gonna cough a

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lot. And Brinn's like, there's
conflicting stories. Brinn has her version,

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and in her version, she really
didn't want a second hit of it.

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But and according to her, she
said, I told him I didn't want

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anymore. He made me take a
secon hit. He got up from his

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chair, turned the bong to my
face, rushed it into my face and

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was pressuring me, hurry up,
hurry up, hurry up. You've got

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to inhale. So that's one version. The other version is because again it's

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conflicting that she had said I didn't
feel anything from it? Can I take

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a second hit? Now? He
feeled it the second time was something stronger.

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It was thirty one percent THHC,
which for an unexperienced marijuana user,

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it's gonna get joash shades. Fucker. Yeah, I'm gonna get you really

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really high. The potency was very
strong. It was so powerful that his

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roommate, Vinnie I leave his last
name is Alavieira, a week earlier,

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had taken some of it, some
hits from it, and he ended up

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hallucinating and he thought he was dead. He took off his clothes and he

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called for help. Oh no,
she is my idea. No no,

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no, don't do that, don't
do that right. No, This particular

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strain Chad had ordered from an illegal
delivery company, because this is twenty eighteen

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and now you're in Michigan. We're
legal in California at that time. I

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don't know, but now you can
get it delivered and you can get anything,

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but back then you couldn't. And
this particular strain had a warning on

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it that said high tolerance users only. No, it wasn't long after that

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that all hell broke loose in that
condo Britain inhaled and she said she couldn't

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breathe. She said he had begun
to feel funny and she didn't like.

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Chad got her a bottle of water
and he helped kind of talk her through

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what she was feeling. She felt
like she was going to die. She

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can't breathe, like and I don't
you know, obviously I have no experience

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with the bomb right me either,
But when you inhale marijuana and it's you

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inhale it hardcore, it'll just burn
your I mean I've heard your lungs and

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so that's probably why she felt like
she couldn't breathe and she felt like she

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was going to die. After a
few minutes, she got really angry because

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she felt like Chad had done this
to her and she just was sure she

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was going to die and the feeling
wouldn't stop. According to Brinn, it

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was like she was watching TV.
She could see everything, but it wasn't

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her life. It was watching something
that wasn't real to her. She's on

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a bad trip, bad bad,
bad trip at some point. And again

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there's conflicting versions of this. It's
believed she grabbed two knives from a knife

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black and threw them at Chat and
then I know she grabbed grabbed a bread

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knife and just rated knife and then
she began stabbing Chat. Wow, they

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were Chad's like fighting her and he's
h stop her. She's out of control.

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Vinnie was upstairs and he heard what
he thought was wrestling noises, so

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at first it didn't bother him.
He's like, I'm one that you know,

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what the hell are they doing?
What they're doing down there? But

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then he heard what seemed like things
breaking. Eventually he got out of bed.

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He walked down the stairs and he
saw Brynn and Chad's dogs because Brynn

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brought her dog. Her dog's name
was a Rhea and that's a service dog

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for hearing for her hearing impairedness or
being hearing impaired. The two dogs are

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on the landing of the stairs and
they looked really scared. He then saw

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Brynn holding a bloody knife and Chad
was on the floor holding his chest and

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he's covered in blood, but he
was alive, and he called out to

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Vinnie, help me. She's stabbing
me. Help me. Vinnie looked at

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Brynn and he said she had a
blank stare in her eyes. He runs

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back upstairs and he tries to wake
up his roommate, and his roommate probably

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to help get brin, like two
people can help more than him, just

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trying to get Brynn. True,
but the roommate didn't wake up. I

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don't know the roommate took a sleeping
pill. I bet yeah, probably and

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earplugs. Just we're speculating. We
have no idea. Uh. Vinnie goes

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into his room and he gets his
phone and then he runs down the stairs

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and he's trying to call nine one
one. When he runs down the stairs,

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he can see Bryn stabbing Chad still
and he runs outside and you know,

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he makes the nine to one one
call. Now, Chad suffered dozens

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of stab wounds, which and some
of these were incise wounds incise wounds which

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aren't very deep, and later on
the medical examiner testified at trial about it.

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He had eighteen wounds to his head, two stab wounds to the back

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of his head, and then the
other incise wounds on his face. He

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also had twenty seven incise wounds on
his neck, four of which damaged his

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trichea, dugular vein and crotted artery. Chad had twenty one incisee wounds and

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thirteen stab wounds to the torso,
his shoulders, the chest, in the

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back. Some of the wounds hid
his lungs and two perforated his heart damn.

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He was also stabbed on the right
knee, and there were injuries to

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his hands and arms, which were
the defensive wounds. It appeared, based

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on the wounds and based on Finney's
later testimony, the two had struggled and

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they were moving around. In total, Chad was stabbed one hundred and eight

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times crazy, one hundred times crazy. Next, Brinn stabbed her beloved Alaskan

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husky area. What really, Oh
her service stops? She did? Oh

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my god, how awful? And
she loved that dog. She got that

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dog two years earlier. The police
show up and when they enter the house,

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they can see Chad's body and he's
again he's covered in blood and he's

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not moving geez, but it is
where because Brynn was still like stabbing him.

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And Brinna is about one hundred and
forty pounds, she's five foot seven

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and she's holding this knife and the
police are like stop, stop, and

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she takes the knife and she starts
stabbing herself in the neck over and over

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again, screaming, get the fuck
out. She stabbed herself forty three times.

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Holy shit, this is crazy,
right, Yes, forty three times

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she stabbed herself all around here the
police. Now I read some different articles.

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I know she was tasered at least
twice, damn up to four times,

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and she wouldn't stop stabbing herself.
I have never been tased, have

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never, but I think it would
take one just one time probably, So

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that tells you how out of control
she had to be that being tazed up

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to four times didn't stop her.
So eventually they had to get in order

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for her to stop stabbing herself.
They had to take a baton and they

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had to just hit her over and
over again, nine times in the arm

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to get her to drop the knife. What the hell? This is unbelievable,

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right, She later recalled. I
saw my own body laying there on

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the porch with the paramedics. Then
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Next a funeral where people were crying. As the screaming was more intense,

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the visions started lighting up and I
came back to life. I saw

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my hand grab a knife, this
is what she's recalling, knife and point

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it toward my throat. Then it
went black. I felt like a hundred

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bullets going through my throat and the
heart, and the harder that was happening,

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the more the light would show.
I was about to come back alive.

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Because she thought she was dying,
Brynn was rushed to the Lost Robuls

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Regional Medical Center for immediate surgery,
and of course Chad was dead. She

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was placed on life support. Wow, she would have done a leader and

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everything. When eventually she recovered and
when she woke up, one of the

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first things she asked is where's Chad? Is Chad okay? She was very

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confused. She asked, it was
I raped? Why am I here?

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Then she asked, who's taking care
of Area? Her dog? She had

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no recollection of what had happened.
On May twenty eighth, she spent four

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days in the hospital. On June
one of twenty eighteen, Brynn was discharged

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the hospital and arrested for homicide by
the Ventura Sheriff's Department. A week later,

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she was released on a five hundred
and ten thousand dollars bond. Taxicology

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reports on Britnn showed high concentrations of
THHC, but nothing else in her system

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at all. Brinn hired a defense
team, with the primary attorney being somebody

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named Robert Schwartz of the Los Angeles
based firm Schwartz and I don't know Wine

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reeb. While awaiting trial, Brynn
met with psychiatrists and psychologists obviously, right,

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you're going to do that. Yeah, And again she's just so everybody

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can follow this. She's been charged
with murder. Yeah, but that changes.

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This is very interesting. The defense
team hired either a psychologist or psychiatry,

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and it came back that Brinn was
in that one hundred percent suffered from

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cannabis induced psychosis. I've never heard
of that. Well, you know there's

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alcohol induced psychosis. Yes, I've
never heard you about someone I know that

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thought he was a werewall. Yeah, this is cannabis induced and it does

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happen. I read some stories.
Oh, I believe it's a real condition.

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I've never heard of it. A
mother of that, well, it's

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not usually a good defense for the
record. Yeah, but there was a

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mother that kills her four year old
well, and she was acquitted for cannabis

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induced psychosis. Anyway, this is
what's really interesting is the DA the prosecutor

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for it. They hired their own
specialist to examine her, and those specialists

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said one percent she was in a
cannabis induced psychosis. Wow. Even the

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prosecutions expert said that right, Wow, Wow, you have no case,

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right right. The pis as a
result in September of twenty nineteen, the

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prosecutor basically they had no choice,
the DA, they District Attorney's office,

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had no choice. They had to
reduce it to involuntary manslaughter. Wow.

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And they offered her a plea.
I think it was four years and she

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said no. She said no to
the police said no. Okay. They

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id a lot of people upset.
I never rolled the dice with a jury.

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If I was never, I'm sorry, but I don't know I mean,

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I guess, you know, I
would expert. But think about it.

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If I did stay up some one
hundred and eight times and I wasn't

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in a cannabis induced psychosis, I
might just feel right and be like,

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okay, rights, right, that's
fine, I'll be out in two right,

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right. But she didn't. She's
fought it. Wow. Yeah,

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I mean she doesn't have the experts
behind her. I guess, but is

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she going to be acquitted? But
a lot I don't know. We're saying

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that doesn't like, wouldn't you be
remorseful you did stab somebody one hundred eight

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times? Right? Wouldn't you want
to just slightly punish yourself? Or I

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guess not, I don't know,
don't I don't know. Piss a lot

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of people off, Yeah, pissed
off Chad's family, especially as dad sean

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that it got reduced to involuntary manslaughter. So Brinn took the stand. She

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testified she had mentioned that on two
occasions Chad had during sex choked her without

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her consent. I don't know,
I don't know, it's not yeah.

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During the trial, Bryn said,
quote, I saw the knife in my

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left hand penetrate Chad's abdomen area,
and then it went black. I remember

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hearing voices saying, keep going,
don't stop, You're almost there. You

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can do this. And then she
said she saw Chad on the floor bleeding

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and heard someone y'all, Brynn,
what are you doing? And that was

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Vinnie. On January twenty third,
twenty twenty four, Oh, this just

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happened, Brynn was convicted of involuntary
manslaughter. It took the jury. The

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trial lasted less than a week.
It took the jury four hours to convict

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her. Do you know what she
got for her sons? Did she get

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probation? Yes? No? Oh? No? Really yeah? Do you

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know? I don't know. I
was thinking what the least amount of punishment

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she could get? Probation? Two
years probation and one hundred hours of community

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service. During that one hundred hours, she had to educate the public on

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the dangers of THHC consumption. Okay, but that was January twenty third.

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On March thirteenth of that year,
a third year of probation was given to

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her because of Section six point one
of California Family State Code based on abuse

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perpetrated on a person during a dating
relationship. She's got three years okay probation

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since that time, well, since
the killing. This is really sad.

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Twenty one months after Chad's murder,
his mother, Michelle, she died on

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March seventeenth of twenty twenty at the
age of fifty three. She had diabetes.

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She had type two diabetes and she
quote stopped looking after herself, oh

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and taking care of her diabetes.
That's really sad. Yeah, So she

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died and then unfortunately Aria, who
survived being stabbed. Wow, the dogs

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arrived. The dogs survived being stabbed. That's another thing. She wondered.

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She was saying that she could see
a brown dog and a handstabbing it,

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but didn't realize it was hers.
Area got hit by a car. Oh

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no, and died. Oh poor
Area, Aria, Aria Area Aria.

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Like the music like an Aria.
I think I heard it pronounced different ways.

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That's terrible. So this was really
controversial, as you can imagine.

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I don't even know what to think. I know this thoughts have been going

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through my head. I don't know
how to feel about this one. I

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mean, I feel so bad for
Chad obviously, and his whole family.

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His dad is so I mean,
he was so such an advocate for Chad,

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and he had signs that said one
hundred and eight stab wounds is serious,

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like he was. He's been all
over the news about it, and

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he really feels like she got away
with murder. And I feel bad because

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he's just yeah, I mean I
can understand that feeling if it was my

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child. You know, somebody stabs
my child one hundred night times. And

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but then if you think about it, she had no criminal record, no

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mental illness, wasn't a drug addict, and stabbed herself right, let me

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not forget herself and her beloved dog. So there's something really really, yeah,

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really wrong going on, right,
Yeah, I don't know what to

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think. It's bad, like,
I don't know. I feel terrible for

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Chad's family, his dad. I
mean, I can understand you want some

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kind of justice and you know,
someone to pay for killing your child,

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because I mean, she did do
it. You know, nobody's disputing that.

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But if she's in the psychosis and
she doesn't realize what she's doing,

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it's kind of like when someone is, you know, truly when they plead

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insanity defense and they truly are you
know, mentally ill, Like can you

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really can you really hold them accountable, Like, can you really hold her

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accountable for this? It's a little
bit of time, Yeah, a little

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bit probably, I don't know.
Is it insulting? I don't know.

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If she had gotten two years?
What does dad I've been like, Okay,

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no time. I don't know,
teach people a lesson about smoking weed?

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Smoking weed? I don't know.
Yeah, so what is she going

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to go to schools and stuff and
be like, yeah, this is what

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happened when I smoked too much off
a bong. I mean, I'd be

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horrible, right, And I've never
smoked weed. If somebody came into my

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school and I said that, I
know what I know. Anyway, I

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don't know what to think that this
is just a terrible story. There is

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no just and I mean Brent,
I mean yeah, I was going to

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say her life is probably ruined too. I mean, so she is going

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to pay for that Colinie. I
mean, I don't know, but she

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has a life and Chad does it. That's true. That's true. So

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