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Would you care to comment on how
you plan to fight Balbo? What's your

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strategy? Don't need any Babo is
so predictable and stupid. The man comes

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straight ahead, he's still a maid
for me, and he's gonna get hurt.

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No. I don't hate Babo,
but I pitied the fool and I

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would destroy any man who tries to
take what I got. What's your prediction

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for the fighters? Prediction? Yes, prediction. The Lapsed Fan presents under

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the Cinematic. Yeah. I love
to talk film. I have come here

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to chew bubble gum and kick out. They break gold. You're going nowhere

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under the cinemat, get get out. I pick up guns. Bad things

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happen to people. I don't like
that. Leave a movie to make.

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Can we all pull together here?
Right? All right? I am good?

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If you are good? Yeap?
And three two three? I did

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it? Did you did he?
Did you do about that thing? Is

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it twenty twenty one? It's twenty
twenty one, and I figured, fuck

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it, What better way to start
off this new year than by going back

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to the beginning. Because this is
where you know I'm gonna come out and

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say this. This is where wrestling
kind of took a different turn regarding the

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movies. I know we have like
there are tons of movies that happened before,

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but this was different. This was
like a real, a real uh

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you know this this movie elevated hul
Cogan. Oh, helped elevate Hulk Cogan

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into what we know today. And
and you know, it's it's it's a

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fucking it's an amazing story. Yes, it's an amazing story. Yes,

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how we get to Rocky three?
And what becomes of everybody after Rocky three?

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Now, how are you? What's
your relationship like with the Rocky movies.

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I'm a big fan, not a
devote I mean I can't cite you

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know, chapter and verse or lines
of dialogue necessarily, but Rocky three was

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a very early film memory of mine, you know, after discovering hul cog

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and of course I famously discovered hul
Cogan and No Holds Barred? And which

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which bar? And it's called No
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to the friendly tap your an Island. But yeah, I mean cannon,

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Yeah, sports on the big screen
leveraged for ultimate drama. It's it's uh,

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it's set some standards in my mind, rock franchise. I'm not a

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big fan of the Rocky movies.
I I kind of find kind of I

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find them boring for the most part. I like, I like to say

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Rocky, I might be saying that
that Rocky I'll say this. At least

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Rocky two for sure sucks. Yeah. I fucking hate Rocky two. Yeah,

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I remember, you know, and
I'm I didn't grow up watching them.

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I had seen part of Rocky the
first Rocky one time at a relative's

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house at the very very end,
and I didn't come back to watching it

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again until the first one until I
was in college. And keep in mind

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here, I am a wrestling fan. I never watched Rocky three for four

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years. I can tell you exactly
when I saw it for the first time,

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which was in twenty twelve, and
I said, you know, I've

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never really watched all the Rocky movies. I've seen one. By this time,

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i'd seen four and I went,
you know, I was like,

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I wonder if I can you know, get into this and two was just

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a slug. Yeah, just the
fucking worst movie. It was so boring

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and like he you know, the
whole plot line of him not wanting to

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face the you know, Apollo Creed
again. I was like, oh my

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god, Like, how many fucking
times you have to not want to like,

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just fucking do it, you know, and win the damn title.

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I can understand not wanting to face
Apollo Cruise, But that's very true.

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That's very true. How can someone
like yourself not see Rocky three until twenty

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twelve, Dude, I have no
idea. I have no clue how that

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happened. But I never I just
never because you know what, I just

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wasn't a fan. I was not
a Rocky fan. And and I'd seen

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it, you know, I'd already
hold Cogan already won me over ten times

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over, So what was the point. But then I watched it and I

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like this one. I will say
that I like three, and I like

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four. I hate one, two
five, and I hate Rocky Belbow and

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I have not even seen the Creed
movies. But it actually it was funny

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is that I actually found in doing
research for this, I found out that

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stallone, So stallone does one,
he does two, and by the time

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he's contracted to do three, he
says to himself, I not write about

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He's like he didn't know what to
do and didn't have a good ideas for

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Rocky from a character from a character
point standpoint, so all he did was

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make them more about the fights.
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probably why I like three and four
because I don't I just don't give a

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shit about Rocky Balboa, right,
Yes, its just thought so much about

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the character. It's about the action, right And yeah, I honestly believe

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that that might be. Why is
that it's about the fights? And five

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is just a disaster? Well,
you know, to me, it's like,

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as a combat sports fan and the
man boxing in particular, there are

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so many storylines that are thread through
actual fights, yet that you know,

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the more evocative they are of what
happens to Rocky or magical. It seems

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to me all the way through to
Reradikatur bet Tim Soviet in two thousand and

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seven, just as Rocky Bilboa came
out in this idea of like the weather,

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an old fight that's training be hubs
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of the younger Champion one more time, it just seems to be like the

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most poetic yep, stuff that's happened
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Rocky and and Roger three. We
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someone achieves fame before they're ready for
it, which is and praise before they're

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ready for it, exceeds even their
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on the big stage, and then
totally shits the bed in terms of keeping

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up that level of discipline and focus
young and let it celebrity cut in on

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the kind of work that got them
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hekay the price for it. I
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that's that's that's a real strength that
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uh and and and Stallone actually goes
so far as to say that part of

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the inspiration for Rocky three was his
own, uh celebrity status, that kind

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of he was not ready for it, and so a lot of it,

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you know, I mean, a
lot of the Rocky news are autobiographic.

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He's written, he's written all of
them, written, all Mesney and I'm

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getting to vent a little bit more. But yeah, he would always have

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elements of his own life into the
movies, and I think that's that's definitely

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a huge Marcaus He said that he
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and he had these people who were
protecting him and they didn't let him be

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himself. And people started to shoot
on him because of his because of his

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people, because of his team,
you know, his management team and his

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and his agents and stuff like that. So a lot of them. I'll

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tell you who doesn't protect him his
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a protected fight at all. He
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is alarming, is it not?
How big Hogan is? Oh my god,

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you so loose sight of that,
because the thing about Hogan's run,

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you know, the run, was
that they found the biggest fucking guys they

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could find to go up against him, and you lose sight of how massive

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he is compared to regular sized athletes. Yeah, and this movie really,

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I mean, if you hadn't heard
of Hulk Hogan before you and you saw

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this movie, I feel like you
went into the Hulk a Mania era with

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a much different initial sense of who
Hulk Hogan was as this kind of domineering,

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preening, bullying kind of heal And
it must have been weird to see

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him as a babyface on MTV all
of a sudden that and but I can

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also I can also understand, you
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time, before you and I started
this show, I couldn't appreciate it as

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much. But talking, you know, having gone through WrestleMania and all those

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kind of early on shows, I
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Hogan was so attractive to people,
because he was just this literally larger than

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life being, you know, just
towering above. Because here you go,

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and honestly, I don't if you
the stars were aligned here without a doubt

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with Hogan being in in Rocky three
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You look at to the world and
to anybody, you know, because you're

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used to seeing movies on a big
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you know, the the character,
and he looks huge and he's always

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ripped and everything, and but you
think of him as huge. Stallone's five

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ten. He's an inch shorter than
me, all right, He's he's not

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a big guy. So there's like
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z era who's anywhere near as short
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you know, yeah, really it's
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shorter than any of Hogan's contemporary exactly
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who's what six' eight, So you're
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mean, and also he just so
bloated, is Hogan. And so when

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you see him towering over the hero
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I can understand why people started to
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like, I'd want to see this
guy in action. If if this guy's

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kicking Rocky's ass, I want to
see what he does in a real wrestling

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match. He at least makes enough
of the wrestling match, right, Yeah,

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you better watch what you say there. Yeah you know you do not

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want to see this guy in a
real wrestling match. No, you don't.

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All, Well, apparently he did
learn some things, but I'll get

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into that. Yeah, I think
he's partial to the drop toe hole to

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the front face lock with memory serves. Yeah yeah, that well, occasionally

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an arm bar when he's in occasional
step over armbar. Yeah, but just

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if nothing else, even if you
weren't intrigued to actually find this guy in

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the actual wrestling ring, he's going
to make enough of a visual impact on

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you watching this movie that he's that
guy, you know, oh totally,

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totally nineteen eighty three and beyond he's
that guy, and perhaps we get into

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this also forget forget the actual movie
itself. Yeah, I'm jumping way ahead

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here, but I think it's a
prnge to bring it out. Hogan was

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the marketing tool for this movie,
right, Mister wasn't wasn't just discovered?

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Yeah, I know, he wasn't
just discovered in this movie. He Stallone.

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Every I I scoured hundreds of newspapers. Yes, okay, yeah,

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I'm gonna tell you. If you
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from the time period maybe like a
month or so before the opening of this

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movie, there is a picture of
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against Hulk Hogan. Look at that, and how I run it? Come

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WrestleMania one time? Right that it's
mister T that's needs should be the supporting

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cast to put WrestleMania over the top
of pop culture in it like there's there.

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Yeah, anyway, let's just get
into it. Let's just fucking get

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into it. We're talking about Hogan
I mean, you'll probably talk about this,

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but I want to plant the seed
before I forget. More than anything

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else. One of the key things
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is that, according to Jesse Ventura
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and I'm sure Hogan has spoken on
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he frames it this way, you're
coming into Rocky three. You had to

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make Hulk Hogan a babyface in the
wrestling ring in the AWA, yep,

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Because you can't really market a movie
around a heel on the media start totally,

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you know, or at least it's
gonna be hard to say, Hey,

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come see the big movie star wrestling, but you're gonna come here to

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boo the shit out of him and
hate him. That that didn't that duck

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didn't hunt in nineteen eighty three,
particularly the psychology of the Midwest, a

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w a wrestling fan, and so
we may very well have this movie to

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think for the glimpse of a babyface
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attention and imagination and convinced him to
hitch his wagon. Because it also,

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as I'm sure you'll talk about Vin
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taking this movie, was no fan
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role. So he you know,
Vince Senior wasn't about to discover the magic

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of a babyface Hull Cogan. It
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that that that sort of necessitated as
well as laid bare totally the potential of

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Hogan in that way without a doubt. So well, depending on your source,

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Hogan filmed this this scene because that's
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scene anywhere from nineteen seventy nine to
nineteen eighty one, despite nineteen seventy nine

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the movie not even being on the
books. But that's okay. And he

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weighed somewhere between brother depending on who
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five and three hundred and fifty pounds. Well, that's at least a small

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range. You know. When we
talk about Hull Cogan and the all time

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King of the Whoppers in terms of
lies told, it really is how we

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got into this movie that most of
the lies are told, like this is

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one of the well key sources of
misinformation. I feel like I'm not going

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to do any spoilers yet, but
I'm going to tell you I'm actually from

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what I've read, I'm going with
Hogan's story. Actually I think the same

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story actually, believe it or not, this one time, I think it

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checks out. That is why I
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this when you told me Rocky three
was next, because I know there are

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so many things that if I ever
took the time, I could settle in

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my mind. But I never took
the time. You know how it appears

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you have. The thing is,
I didn't really realize that there was a

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huge I know that along the way
I either read or heard an interview with

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Stallone that basically the same story that
Hogan tells for the most part, like

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the the main key players. And
then I didn't realize that there was some

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controversy until today, believe or not. And so it's just kind of funny.

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And so I was like, oh
shit, like this is fucking huge,

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but I could not find where I
had that. Anyway, we'll just

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go to the source right from the
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combo here because he tells Hogan tells
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don't know if there are more than
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Hollywood Hulk Hogan, and he also
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Outside the Ring, But there are
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combine them together in this one.
The greatest thing about working in New York

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was being on TV. Every three
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the matches were broadcast on the MSG
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He had to write that as if
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I mean. Also, the greatest
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if I'm not correct, a little
little Little Candy. Yeah you missed Santa

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Claus comes early in Allentown. You
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Z Right this channel hit homes all
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Pennsylvania. Dude, I feel like
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but I think that's just going to
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you just never knew who was watching. One night, I think it was

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early nineteen eighty, Rocky Mastermind still
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the lookout for a wrestler to cast
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he saw me on a night when
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list it lifting three wrestlers at once
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Stallone didn't know how to get a
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to his casting director, Ronda Young. She didn't know anything about wrestling or

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who the heck this wrestler was that
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her brother, Peter Peter. She
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This guy he saw on MSG.
He's a bad guy and he's done this

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and that. My god, this
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casting director, casting director. Okay, I thought it was Edith Punker.

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I was confused for sing and Peter
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that's hul Cogan. Peter Young came
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agent ever since. So maybe Peter
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that sticks the story together. Not
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honest, but you know, maybe
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Young, he can kind of get
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just fibbing the whole fucking time.
Is very interesting. This is he's kind

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of like the David Wolf and the
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like kind of thinks he knows that
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a little too showbiz to like take
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always got this like sarcasm about it. Yep, exactly. Uh So I'm

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coming out of the ring one night
when I got a message from Arnold Scoland

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that Sylvesters Alone wants me to call
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I'd seen Rocky one and two,
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eighties there was no one as big
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hero figure. There was no way
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one of these guys pulling a rib, I thought, and it blew it

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off. Around this time, same
time, Vince mick Man Senior sent me

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over to Japan to wrestle for seven
weeks. Now. That was an amazing

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experience, dude, all these Japanese
fans worshiping like some sort of a god.

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Really unbelievable to be over there,
you know, I feel that kind

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of idlization. Brother, even if
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It was a shame because you know, Terry blew it off as a

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rib and George Foreman ended up getting
the part. See that's the thing.

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It was a rib, and George
Foreman came fucking running for us. Yeah,

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because he had an expanded use case
for there's George Foreman. Uh.

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The Japanese par owners didn't want me
to leave. They were begging me to

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stay longer. Everyone's always begging Hogan
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wants that seemed quickened out, get
out of here. They did the same

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thing Christmas night nineteen eighty three,
I believe indeed they did Uh the the

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Japanese promoted. They just fucking kidnapped
him, fucking kept him there. You

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hold on, son, you have
wedding in Japan. Huh, brother,

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dude. Wherever I went, the
arenas were packed to the rafters. I

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came back to Allentown after that to
find a Western Union telegram waiting for me,

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a certified letter that I had to
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It's an emergency. It was getting
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shooting the film and Peter and Ronda
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going to be able to deliver the
one guy sly wanted. So I called

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him and he picked up the phone
and it really was sliced alone. It

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was so weird to hear that familiar
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You know who I was. I
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being in a movie. I'd never
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ring at least, I mean,
it is different. What the fuck that

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I mean? He wrote that that's
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that is tremendous So I told him, look, look, dude, I'm

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gonna I'm going back Japan for two
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see you when i'm back. So
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Yes you are. Because that is
one version of how he got the call

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from Sylvester Stallone. Where would the
other version come from? Well, Terry

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Funk number one tells a different story. Actually, I actually was the one

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who connected Hall Kagan well Sylvaster Stallone
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Stallone called me up instause he worked
with him on Paradise Alley, right

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he did coming up soon on Under
the Cinemat Stone called me and said he

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needed a huge wrestler for the part
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gave him a few names, and
it came down to slide choosing between Hogan

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and Gorilla Monsoon, whom Vince mcmahonr. Suggested. Gorilla was a tall mountain

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of a man, but Stallone wanted
a more muscular guy, and so he

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went with Hogan. And actually there
was a further thing in his book here

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says I tried nineteen eighty five,
yet Kerry von Erik, the part of

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the Russian boxer that Dolph Lundgren eventually
got, sly was in love with the

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guy. But Kerrie couldn't memorize any
lines, only snort them. I added

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to that's great, But Hogan made
the most out of his stardom. When

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we had our match in late nineen
eighty five and the fourth and NBC Saturday

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Night's Made Event. We worked together
fine, and I never had anything but

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a good relationship with Hogan. When
we were both in the WWE. I

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got the Saturday Night's made event assignment
because nobody else wanted to do the job

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and Vince wanted Hogan going over clean
me for the TV audience. A lot

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of guys felt like getting beaten in
front of such a big audience would hurt

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their personas there were no volunteers except
for the Funker. They asked me to

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put him over on National TV and
I said, no problem at all.

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It's tremendous. So there's a Terry
Funk's version of of the story, but

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there's you know, that's not all
mister Fumeke is not the only person to

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claim responsibility for Hogan getting cast in
this movie. Bill Apter, yes as

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well, is that it was me
all along, game all right, this

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fucking guy didn't know it was broken. I think you're broken, Pale.

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Do you think you got fucking Hogan
this job? He claims Stallone was looking

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for a wrestler after sends pictures of
Hogan and Billy Grant. I'm gonna actually

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let him tell you the story himself. Uh. This is from Sean Mooney's

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podcast. I know he's done a
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book, but you know, I
think you know it was between him and

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Jericho's podcast, but you know Sean
Mooney friend of the show, so I'll

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put him. I'll put him over. So here we go to listen to

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after talking taking credit for Hulk Hogan
Thunderlips Rocky three. You got a call

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from Sylvester Stallone's office and had a
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which changed Hulk Hogan's career forever.
I did. I did, and

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a Hulk's office had picked up the
copy of the magazine and they had wanted

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pictures of two people Superstu Billy Graham
and Paul Cogan. So I really would

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have been thrilled by the way had
Stalone call, but you yeah, uh,

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but I have to get the invitation
in there. We're not. So

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they called and I sent the pictures
and called back so that they want to

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talk to, uh, this guy
Hult Cogan. So this point we were

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this point, we're banned from the
magazines from the magazines are banned from from

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the w w F. So I'm
calling people around that. Uh, I'm

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called Arnold Scoland. I called no, actually the magazines. I'm trying to

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think. No, he was not
he hadn't won the title yet, so

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no, no, we were okay
at that point. But I was calling

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everybody around trying to find him because
Stallone wanted to talk to him. Everybody

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thought it was Yeah, everybody thought
it was a joke. And I finally

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got to Arnold Stolen, who's one
of Vince's main men, and they said,

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yeah, sure, I'll give him
the message. So then I called

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Hulk's mother because she was let me
back up a little. We were bands

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back then. Because I couldn't talk
to Hulk directly, his mother was my

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liaison. Yeah, gave him the
message, and a lot of people took

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credit for the hookup there, but
the message came from me, And when

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I talked to Hulk years ago,
he never really knew that it came from

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me. He said, his mother
said that I had called. But Arnold

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Skollin about forty other people backstage all
took credit for this whole thing. But

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the pictures that we ran in the
magazine were all sent to us by Hulk's

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mother. Otherwise we never would have
gotten the photos to run in the magazine.

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So yeah, yeah, I hooked
Uh. I hooked him up,

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but he got somebody else call credit
though. Yeah, yeah, but he

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got the part on his own marriage. That's true, But I helped with

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in the ignition. I don't think
it did pell I firmly. You know,

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what, what do you think?
I mean, what are your thoughts

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here? I don't doubt that if
if Sly wants a wrestler, you go

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buy a wrestling magazine and try to
look at the people, that would be

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good. I don't know, I
mean, but the point is it started

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with the magazine, not with Bill
after, you know, like after was

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the point of contact. Perhaps if
they saw we want more of this guy

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who publishes this thing. But even
then, I I again, maybe I

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have it here and I just I
skimmed over it when I was trying to

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find this. I'm I'm certain that
I heard Stallone say that I was watching

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TV, because that's how we found
both t and still and and Hogan.

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He was watching TV and and and
heard of That's that's what Hogan said.

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Yeah, that's Hogan says. I'm
pretty sure Stallone said that. But uh

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yeah, so I'm you know,
as much as I take hogan ship with

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a grain of salt, I'm I'm
siding with Hogan on this one. Interesting.

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Well, you know, I mean, you know, they all could

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have had some kind of right effort
in but to say like they actually,

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I mean, I don't know.
I mean, is it not possible that

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you know, Sly saw Hulk Hogan
on television and told his people I want

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Hulk Hogan, And they said,
how the hell do we find Hulk Hogan?

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Look at this magazine. Maybe they
know how to get in touch with

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him. It's all, you know, it all could be, you know,

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the pieces of the puzzle could all
be there. You know, after

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it would be none the wiser.
How the first time Sly saw Hulk I

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mean right, that would that wouldn't
mean the phone call it sounded any different

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to him. Yeah, anyway,
back to the so uh, back to

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Hogan. We met at a gym. I had blue jeans on and cowboy

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boots in. My nose was all
taped up. It got smashed in a

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match in Japan, and I hadn't
had a chance to fix it yet.

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I wasn't prepared at all for some
kind of audition. Stallone insisted, I,

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well, see you move in the
ring. So Stallone starts doing his

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rocky thing and starts reaching out to
try to punch me. Well, brother,

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what do you want me to do? Dude? Not a good idea,

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I asked, Well, so you
can stop me? He said,

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stop you. I laughed out loud. He was maybe one hundred and seventy

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pounds and I was pushing three twenty
at that point. He stayed pretty serious

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about it. Well, I try
to punch you. See if you can

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get a hold of me, he
said. So. By the way,

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every time that I do this stallone
voice, I am boxing, I'm doing

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the Oh really, yeah, I
just noticed that I've been doing that.

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So in one move, I grabbed
him and hooked him and pinned him to

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the canvas. Of course you did. Here we go, you know,

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over inm Japan, Dude, I
actually learned some real wrestling moves, brother.

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The Japanese guys taught me hooks and
submissions, all this UFC top stuff

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that you could use to survive if
anyone really tried to come to you in

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a fight. Brother, Terry,
I believe Matsuda trained you in Florida.

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He is Japanese, but that didn't
mean it was in Japan. I think

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he I think he thinks it's I
think he thinks Florida is in Japan.

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I think he thinks it's real.
Yeah, that's the problem. Uh.

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Sloane seemed real impressed by how easily
I took him down. So got rught

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up and said me as hard as
you can. I don't think you want

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that, brother, I said,
well, you'll hit me like you how

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you would hit somebody when you want
to want to look good, but you

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don't want to actually hurt him.
I explained that one way to do that

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would be for him to bend forward
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my forearm between the shoulder blades.
Great, he said, do that?

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You hit me as hard as you
can. I refuse. He's not a

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big guy. I could have killed
him, but he kept insisting, give

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me seventy five rider. Seriously,
right, why not? H what was

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the moon? Krankeruski give him krankusk
Hogan only puts pencil fin Uh totally non

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athletic television host to sleep exactly.
That's a good command, not stallone.

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He needs to sell for stallone?
Uh Uh? So I bend over,

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So I bend over and girl bang
I hit him and dude, I had

405
00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:14.759
no idea he was going to crumble
like he did. The second of my

406
00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:18.759
forearm hit his back Stallane's face hit
my cowboy boots. Amazingly, he popped

407
00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:22.400
right up again and this time with
blood tripling out of his nose. You

408
00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:30.119
got the job, so uh Ogan
went on the Well we can talk about

409
00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:36.759
a job, the job dude,
you say job, No, you got

410
00:29:36.759 --> 00:29:38.839
the job. Brother, Listen,
dude, I don't. I don't have

411
00:29:38.839 --> 00:29:41.960
the job. Dude, I will
not job. Brother. You got to

412
00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:45.240
find somebody else for that part.
Brother, you can you know, did

413
00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:47.119
you can roll up somebody else from
behind? Brother? You're not rolling up?

414
00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:51.920
Wouk coovid dude? Fuck you used
to loan? Yeah, uh so

415
00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:57.160
uh. A short while back,
Hogan went on the Open Anthony Show when

416
00:29:57.160 --> 00:30:03.319
they're you know, when they had
a show Open Anthony. But he did

417
00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:08.039
recall his time auditioning for Sylvester just
alone. Slide picked you up and threw

418
00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:14.200
you over that? Or was there
some table nothing that? Yeah? I

419
00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:18.240
was, I was, man,
his legs were wabbling. That was always

420
00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:22.039
still so impressive to watch that scene, bro, if you don't realize he

421
00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:26.200
was like a buck sixty pounds.
I was, Yes, Yes, he

422
00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:32.960
got up and his legs shaken.
Got it though, I had everybody ask

423
00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:34.319
me that question over there. Yeah, yeah, it was him. He

424
00:30:34.359 --> 00:30:37.240
did everything. He did all of
his own stunts. I mean when I

425
00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:41.079
powersland him from corner, Yeah,
landed on him, and when I bounced

426
00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:44.160
off and the blood came out of
his mouth, he goes, oh that

427
00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:45.680
was great. I was like,
yeah, well, just the stuff that

428
00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:51.440
was on uh screen was amazing.
I can only imagine how much more was

429
00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:53.920
done that didn't make the movie that
you give me. He must have had

430
00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:56.640
the spat out of him. Yeah. I mean I ran into him in

431
00:30:56.680 --> 00:31:00.640
a comic con a few months ago
and he was just you know when we

432
00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:03.319
did this time of con, like
and hey, brother, what's up your

433
00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:07.759
family? Thanks wearing the colors.
And I walked in his booth. Everything

434
00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:11.839
was real quiet. He signed and
autographs and everybody in line was scared to

435
00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:19.200
talk, and it was almost like
a little creepy and gets nervous. Yo's

436
00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:22.480
stallone, you want to do this
again? He looked up at me.

437
00:31:22.519 --> 00:31:23.400
It was oh, no, man, I don't want to go do that

438
00:31:25.119 --> 00:31:29.119
because I remember hitting with knee and
the shoulder and the corner almost broke his

439
00:31:29.240 --> 00:31:32.799
collar. And then I because I
throw my punches straight into the forehead when

440
00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:34.640
I throw them, you know,
and I know I caught him with one

441
00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:41.079
roo but he was called. The
good thing about it is all these years

442
00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:44.759
later, that was filmed in seventy
nine, all these years later, he's

443
00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:47.720
the same pizon he wants to be. He hasn't changed a bit. Was

444
00:31:47.799 --> 00:31:51.000
that eighty three Rocky too? Or
Rocky three two? I think we filmed

445
00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:53.119
it seventy nine or eighty Bro?
You shot wait before he did it was

446
00:31:53.160 --> 00:32:00.480
way back eighty one. Yeah,
under the cinemat I kind of pretty good.

447
00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:01.519
I used to be pretty good judge
to pull them out. Yeah,

448
00:32:01.599 --> 00:32:05.799
yeah, little perception. Yeah,
I used to be pretty good. Nah.

449
00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:08.960
I would get beat off every one
time I might. Did he say

450
00:32:08.960 --> 00:32:12.200
he would beat off every once in
a while something like that? Yeah,

451
00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:14.920
I beat off for once in a
while. Dude, Why didn't you mention

452
00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:20.400
Bill After's role in all this?
Is he not paying the proper respect to

453
00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:23.119
after Alley? I you know,
I think there's some bad blood there,

454
00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:27.400
even though After gave him that Wrestler
of the Year in ninety four. You

455
00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:30.960
know what the fuck man? No
wonder uh Bill couldn't remember if we were

456
00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:34.039
banned at the time. We don't
know if this movie was filmed in seventy

457
00:32:34.119 --> 00:32:36.880
nine or two thousand and eight.
Well, so let alone where it was

458
00:32:36.920 --> 00:32:38.839
filmed. Where Hogan wasn't that matter? Was he even Florida? Was he

459
00:32:38.920 --> 00:32:43.279
up his ass? You know who
the Florida was Hogan? Was he training

460
00:32:43.279 --> 00:32:47.599
in Japan under Mat Suda and the
don't Jo or over Matt Suda? Whichever

461
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:54.519
way he was, who was so
tremendous stuff, you know, you know

462
00:32:54.640 --> 00:33:00.160
I love about about wrestlers and wrestling. It's always real unless they needed to

463
00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:06.720
be fake. Yes, right,
you know everything serves right, Yeah,

464
00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:09.680
you know, everything is all intense
and you know, everything really not that

465
00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:14.079
I'm saying it doesn't hurt. I'm
not saying that, but like all this

466
00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:16.799
shit is so fucking real until they
need to remind everybody that it's fake for

467
00:33:16.839 --> 00:33:22.279
whatever reason. And that's the funny
thing, like like that's still you know,

468
00:33:22.359 --> 00:33:24.680
I know Stallone does say he get
he gets beat up, you know,

469
00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:30.480
but for him to be like,
oh, I don't know, Hogan,

470
00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:32.759
I don't want you know, like
I don't know if I buy that

471
00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:37.720
maybe he did it as a as
a as a trick or whatever, but

472
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:39.599
well I think we've already happened upon
one of the key ones, which is

473
00:33:39.759 --> 00:33:43.640
in his book. For no reason, this is so Hogan, for no

474
00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:46.400
reason. He gave us a range
of the potential weights that he was on

475
00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:50.000
the set. In that interview,
he went right to the top of the

476
00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:54.480
ringe, right, someone else a
three fifty. I think maybe maybe in

477
00:33:55.519 --> 00:33:59.279
he was not three hundred and fifty
pounds. I know he never was the

478
00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:01.119
top of three. I'm pretty sure
that might be on his Carson interview.

479
00:34:01.160 --> 00:34:04.720
I don't know if I took the
bite from the Carson interview that said where

480
00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:08.159
he says that, but I think
on the Carson Show he says he was

481
00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:13.519
three fifty. Yeah, believable.
But that's wrestling. You know. It's

482
00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:17.840
like you tell the story so many
times and you don't care about the truth,

483
00:34:19.519 --> 00:34:22.400
so you just remember the parts.
You just remember the versions of the

484
00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:27.400
story that got pops or got raised
eyebrows, and you hold onto those pieces,

485
00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:30.960
and pretty soon what you have is
a collection of these little embellishments along

486
00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:37.719
the way that serve to tell a
story that always gets a surprised reaction,

487
00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:40.039
and it that's all the matter,
so long as the version you end up

488
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:44.360
with is the one that gets the
biggest pop from the mark you're telling it

489
00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:47.000
to. That's what happened, ex
and who the hell you know? After

490
00:34:47.079 --> 00:34:50.800
doing that for years and years and
decades. I don't even blame the guy

491
00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:53.960
for not remembering what actually happened.
But you see a guy himself tell different

492
00:34:54.039 --> 00:34:58.639
versions of the same story. Like
you said, his two books have differing

493
00:34:58.639 --> 00:35:01.960
accounts to some degree, right,
not so yeah, Like there there are

494
00:35:01.960 --> 00:35:06.000
some parts that really I think there
were a couple of moments where that were

495
00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:09.719
contradictory. But you know, for
the most part, it's just stuff that

496
00:35:09.800 --> 00:35:12.960
wasn't in the first book, or
it wasn't in the second book. You

497
00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:17.360
know. It's like like I think
he in the in the in this in

498
00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:22.079
the first book he talks actually about
some behind the scenes stuff. I think,

499
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:25.719
like this whole audition process was not
in the second book. You know.

500
00:35:27.079 --> 00:35:30.239
But I'm with Terry too. I
mean, Terry Funk is somebody who

501
00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:32.559
actually you know, is self serving, as I'm sure he could be at

502
00:35:32.559 --> 00:35:37.480
times and recollecting things. You know, his book show. I know,

503
00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:39.360
I know, no shit, he's
a worker. He's working you, Yeah,

504
00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:45.039
like you're not. I don't believe
job Yeah, that's the problem.

505
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:51.599
So he actually is somewhat of a
stickler for history. Terry Funk like like

506
00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:53.880
cares from what I've gleaned and from
I understand. I've never met the man,

507
00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:59.079
but he cares about chronicling the history
of the business. He cares about

508
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:02.679
actually hasn't. Here's the question,
did he take as copious notes as Brett

509
00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:07.360
Hart? No, if no one
ever did, ever will no one ever

510
00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:08.519
will another thing? That he's the
best, there is, best, there

511
00:36:08.559 --> 00:36:12.920
was Bester ever will be right.
I don't think you know, Terry Funk's

512
00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:15.800
book wasn't six thousand pages, and
it should have been, you know,

513
00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:19.000
considering the respective careers. Not to
put down Brett's career, which was a

514
00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:22.119
brilliant one. Terry Funk's book should
be three times as long as Brett's,

515
00:36:22.119 --> 00:36:24.920
considering where he's been, the generations
he's competed, in the guys he's worked.

516
00:36:25.159 --> 00:36:29.840
But really, what it comes down
for me, Boss, is that

517
00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:32.880
Terry Funk was on set with Sylvester
Stallone in The Paradise Alley. I mean

518
00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:37.440
in other movies too, for that
matter, in other movies that's done.

519
00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:42.320
He has done stunt work for other
movies. He so we really think if

520
00:36:42.440 --> 00:36:45.199
Terry, if Sylvester Stallone wants to
find a way to get in touch with

521
00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:46.920
the wrestler, that he's not going
to reach out to the fucking wrestler he's

522
00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:51.599
worked with for years, I mean, honestly to get another another fucking Rocky

523
00:36:51.639 --> 00:36:55.280
movie technically because he does stunt work
for he he was like the stunt coordinate

524
00:36:55.400 --> 00:36:59.960
or something like that for Rocky five, the worst movie at them all.

525
00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:04.880
Well funnel words, I think,
yeah, but yeah, so like there's

526
00:37:06.039 --> 00:37:08.920
you know, the Funker is the
Funker is here to stay. I think

527
00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:14.639
so I led that the most credence
just because of that back that history.

528
00:37:14.679 --> 00:37:17.280
I just can't believe that if Lester
Stallone wanted to find a wrestler that he

529
00:37:17.320 --> 00:37:21.599
wouldn't talk to I don't know the
wrestler he's worked with before about it,

530
00:37:21.679 --> 00:37:25.159
right, and chosen to work with
again on multiple movies. That's correct,

531
00:37:25.239 --> 00:37:29.920
That's that's kind of the key there. So I wouldn't doubt that there's some

532
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:32.480
kind of you know that there is
some and you know what, I wouldn't

533
00:37:32.519 --> 00:37:37.119
doubt that that that funk would say, hey, you know, give you

534
00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:43.960
know, here's Hogan and here's Arnold
Skoln's number, you know, have have

535
00:37:44.159 --> 00:37:45.480
somebody give him a call or whatever. You know. Again, maybe this

536
00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:52.280
is why Hulk purposely tries to misremember
what year the movie was filmed, because

537
00:37:52.760 --> 00:38:00.000
if it was filmed in seventy nine, sly hadn't met Funk yet. Oh

538
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:02.880
see, I always, you know, as much as I kind of look

539
00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:06.840
at Hulk through the lens of what
I just said, kind of keeping the

540
00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:10.079
parts of the story that pop and
the embellishments that pop, I also have

541
00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:15.960
noticed a trend with him where sometimes
he gets oddly specific and oddly insistent on

542
00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:20.559
details. For someone who you know
fogs over details, there are other details

543
00:38:20.559 --> 00:38:22.880
he insists on including, like in
his book, there's these sort of many

544
00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:27.400
tangents, and you don't understand why
he would include that detail, and then

545
00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:30.480
sure enough when you find out about
it, it's an indirect, passive,

546
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:36.159
aggressive way of trying to refute something
that somebody else has said about what happened.

547
00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:38.199
But he doesn't want to address that
person head on or by name,

548
00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:45.119
but he introduces this fact that will
serve to you know, make the disarm

549
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:52.320
or throw into disarray somebody else's chronology. So maybe that's it interesting would past

550
00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:58.199
him. All right, So back
to Hogan here. I remember walking out

551
00:38:58.199 --> 00:39:00.360
of the ring thinking this guy's fucking
nuts. Then all of a sudden,

552
00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:04.639
he put a camera in my face. You got the job, he repeated

553
00:39:04.679 --> 00:39:07.920
again, all excited and pumped up. I told me how bad you're going

554
00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:12.760
to kick Rocky Bobo's as I caught
on what he was doing real quick.

555
00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:15.800
Brother. He wanted to see like
a talk maybe cut a promo or something,

556
00:39:16.360 --> 00:39:20.599
So I turned on that voice I've
been developing since my first TV appearance

557
00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:23.199
back down in Memphis. Okay,
Bellboa, you're going down, brother.

558
00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:27.760
I don't remember exactly what I said. I should have to see that tape.

559
00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:31.320
It's probably an vault somewhere now.
I don't know if this is actually

560
00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:35.639
it or not, but this was
feat This This what I'm gonna play for

561
00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:39.800
you right now was featured on a
behind the scenes featurette that was done to

562
00:39:39.800 --> 00:39:44.679
promote the film Oh Coking is here, Daddy, And because I'm here,

563
00:39:44.920 --> 00:39:46.840
I'm gonna make Rocky three to the
movie of the Year. Jill. That's

564
00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:52.079
a saloon. Filled my suitcase with
the big thousand dollars bills, he said,

565
00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:54.960
showing the body show him what you've
got to offer for the right price,

566
00:39:55.239 --> 00:39:59.360
for the right money and at the
right time, I'd even strangle my

567
00:39:59.519 --> 00:40:02.920
mother. Mother. That's great stuff
right there. Yeah, I love that.

568
00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:07.159
I love the raw footage, the
actual tape. I don't know if

569
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:09.039
that is the actual tape or not, but again, this was done.

570
00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:13.800
I feel maybe if it wasn't done
for this actual tape of something, it's

571
00:40:13.880 --> 00:40:19.280
tape of something, and it might
be Hogan on like some TV or whatever.

572
00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:22.119
But it's great, it's awesome stuff. He still has kind of a

573
00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:25.559
higher pitch about his voice. You
can hear a lot more of the baby

574
00:40:25.639 --> 00:40:29.679
bitch voice he's got going on.
Yeah, you can hear a lot more

575
00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:31.400
of the attempt to imitate Billy Graham
there. Ah, yeah, yeah,

576
00:40:31.480 --> 00:40:37.159
sure, than his own voice.
I think that makes sense. Anyway.

577
00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:38.519
After a few seconds, he turned
the camera off and said me one more

578
00:40:38.599 --> 00:40:43.440
time. You got it. We
shook hands. I didn't have an agent

579
00:40:43.480 --> 00:40:45.280
at that point and had no idea
what you should what you should get paid

580
00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:47.800
to appear in a film, But
he said, oh, give you ten

581
00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:52.039
thousand dollars to do a movie.
Me, being the smart negotiator I am,

582
00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:57.039
thought it sounded a little low digging
creative browler. How about fifteen thousand

583
00:40:57.079 --> 00:41:02.360
dollars? Dude, Oh fourteen,
he counted done. I signed a piece

584
00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:06.440
of paper right there on the spot. I couldn't believe that I was going

585
00:41:06.519 --> 00:41:09.159
to be in a rocky movie.
Not in my wildest dreams did I ever

586
00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:14.079
imagine acting in films, let alone
acting with someone as biggest sliced alone.

587
00:41:14.719 --> 00:41:16.360
I knew it would be a huge
boost for my career. Heck, I

588
00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:22.039
boost my whole life. I'm prepared
to call bullshit on the whole negotiation thing.

589
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:23.480
Yeah, I don't think he came
back with a number. I don't

590
00:41:23.519 --> 00:41:27.159
think that happened. I think he
just thinks it makes him look bad to

591
00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:30.119
take the price that was offered,
And so he introduced a detail like who

592
00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:32.079
gives a fuck? Right, like
who gives the fuck? How much you

593
00:41:32.119 --> 00:41:36.039
got paid? Why would you put
that in the book unless somewhere along the

594
00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:39.280
line you heard someone say that you
took the first offer. So Lester stallone

595
00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:45.280
gave you right, annoyed you that
people thought Slash knew that that's like a

596
00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:47.840
chump you could take the first offer. And look, maybe I'm going way

597
00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:52.599
off the reservation and reading something that
isn't there. But Hulk Hogan deserves that

598
00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:55.119
level of doubt. Well, I
mean, what about what about him being,

599
00:41:55.719 --> 00:42:00.039
you know, without an agent,
being a wrestler and that whole mentality

600
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:07.199
of having to kind of take care
of yourself. Would he negotiate? I

601
00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:10.440
don't think so, Okay, I
mean, it's not it's not the fact

602
00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:15.280
of the thing that makes me skeptical. It's his pattern of introducing details that

603
00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:20.760
are self serving and sort of,
you know, somewhat fabricated, if not

604
00:42:20.840 --> 00:42:24.480
wholly fabricated. It just seems to
me like if I'm reverse engineering Hulk Cogan's

605
00:42:24.519 --> 00:42:29.719
mindset. Along the way, someone
said to him, you know what,

606
00:42:29.920 --> 00:42:32.880
man, Rocky three made fucking millions
of dollars. You only got ten grand

607
00:42:32.920 --> 00:42:36.280
for that, and so like,
you know, he makes this little thing

608
00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:37.840
up. Well he probably didn't probably
get more than that, I mean in

609
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:42.519
the long run. Well, yeah, with residuals and stuff. Sure probably

610
00:42:42.519 --> 00:42:45.840
still does get money, I would
hope. So he's probably his health insurance

611
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:47.719
because of the movie. Now you're
damn right, you're right. Well that

612
00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:52.800
ends now the other ones, the
other crap movies he's on. But get

613
00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:55.079
that fucking union card, right,
from the get go better than Lloyd's of

614
00:42:55.079 --> 00:43:01.960
London. You're damn right, Hell, did you? Yeah, that's just

615
00:43:02.119 --> 00:43:06.159
let me know when you need me. It was Lord Alfred Hayes of London.

616
00:43:07.280 --> 00:43:14.920
That's Lord Alfred Hays of London.
I've got promotional consideration sticking out of

617
00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:21.920
my pants and I'll take that,
thank you very much. Hell. He's

618
00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:35.360
a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack
and Carnassio and JP Sorrow. He's a

619
00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:38.159
lapsed fan wrestling podcast. Uh.
When I got back to New York,

620
00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:43.159
I told Vince McMahon Senior that I
would be shooting in this movie in a

621
00:43:43.239 --> 00:43:46.360
couple of months. Did you say
shooting Terry only has a good idea?

622
00:43:47.840 --> 00:43:52.239
No, you're not, he said, yes. Fuck. For some reason,

623
00:43:52.519 --> 00:43:55.519
I didn't take him seriously. Okay, for some reason he didn't take

624
00:43:55.519 --> 00:44:00.320
you seriously. How about that,
Terry. For for some reason, people

625
00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:07.119
don't take this business. Yeah that
was That was a strange non sequit or

626
00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:10.079
there in the middle of the book. But whatever. But I never even

627
00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:13.239
gave it a second thought. I
knew this would be great not only for

628
00:44:13.360 --> 00:44:15.960
my career, but for the whole
sport of wrestling. To put one of

629
00:44:16.039 --> 00:44:19.920
us up there on the big streen, a rocky movie which was sure to

630
00:44:20.039 --> 00:44:22.840
be a huge hit seen by millions
of people. It was a real no

631
00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:24.960
brainer. Absolutely no one had ever
done it before, if you don't count

632
00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:29.719
you know, everyone who had Yeah, but you know, no, I'm

633
00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:32.840
not saying on this level, I
agree it is weird because there certainly have

634
00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:37.440
been. I mean, you can
even you know, the the actor,

635
00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:40.679
the guy who plays odd Job and
Goldfinger. You know, that's a major

636
00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:46.000
fucking movie, you know, coming
to under the cinemat soon. But like

637
00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:55.400
you know, like where it's so
different. And also, Hogan, you

638
00:44:55.480 --> 00:45:00.360
know there is a there is a
no Also here's the thing too, you

639
00:45:00.519 --> 00:45:06.440
did have professional wrestlers in movies and
outside of but outside of you know,

640
00:45:07.559 --> 00:45:12.079
Paradise Sally and and the wrestler at
this time, you didn't have many if

641
00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:15.119
I'm not mistaken, that were actually
that actually featured a big time wrestling match.

642
00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:20.000
And also this is the only one
that had been running scenes and ring

643
00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:22.639
scenes. Yeah, I think of
my Breakfast with Blassy with a with Ada

644
00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:25.679
Kaufman, which wasn't I don't think
like a smash hit or anything like that.

645
00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:29.880
But right, and that's the big
thing that it's gonna what makes money.

646
00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:34.960
And and no matter how good or
bad a film is paradise and my

647
00:45:35.199 --> 00:45:38.920
paradise sally huge flop. The wrestler. We all know huge flop. So

648
00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:44.599
we're talking this is this is absolutely
there again, Stars aligning, put yourself

649
00:45:44.639 --> 00:45:50.079
in stars aligning shoes. If he
doesn't know necessarily how big Rocky one and

650
00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:52.000
two were, which I think is
possible, you know, to him,

651
00:45:52.039 --> 00:45:57.400
it's just another resting idiot honestly at
this point, to like I mean,

652
00:45:57.639 --> 00:45:59.920
and I don't put a past the
McMahon to be a fucking idiot on it,

653
00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:04.679
but to not know that Rocky wanted
like to have a guy in Rocky

654
00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:09.480
Ye Rocky movie, Yep, I
mean it's it's it's bound to be a

655
00:46:09.599 --> 00:46:14.880
hit. Yeah, it's one of
those fucking franchises at the time that hadn't

656
00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:19.639
worn out its welcome yet. You'd
have to be just deafened by the the

657
00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:22.559
sound of quarters jingling in your hand
to not be able to hear. That's

658
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:30.079
the problem. I think he had
too many quarters jingling. Where was I?

659
00:46:30.159 --> 00:46:34.920
Uh? Oh, I said I
was. I was looking. It

660
00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:37.039
was real, no brainer. Like
I said before, I was looking,

661
00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:40.440
always looking ahead, thinking about making
more money, thinking about how I could

662
00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:45.519
make this whole Cogan thing bigger and
bigger. I thought Vincina thought that way

663
00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:47.679
too, But maybe I was wrong. Maybe he was just like the other

664
00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:52.039
promoters. Dude. He had controlled
the number one territory, his own little

665
00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:54.239
kingdom. Maybe he thought that was
enough for him. Maybe just didn't have

666
00:46:54.400 --> 00:46:58.880
the vision for how big this could
get, dude. A couple of months

667
00:46:58.960 --> 00:47:02.199
later, I was wrestling in Fall
River, Massachusetts. As I left the

668
00:47:02.280 --> 00:47:05.880
arena at the end of the night, I said goodbye to whoever it was

669
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:07.880
that McMahon running the show that night. I'll see you guys and going to

670
00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:10.840
do this rocky movie tomorrow. Brother, should take it like ten days,

671
00:47:10.880 --> 00:47:15.000
maybe two weeks. Scute brother,
No, not shoot on you, dude,

672
00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:19.800
No, brother working filming totally.
Please don't get the wrong idea.

673
00:47:20.440 --> 00:47:25.039
And Tony Santos and I'll call you
when I'm done, brother, They were

674
00:47:25.079 --> 00:47:30.760
shocked. No, no, we
just we just called Vince. He said,

675
00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:32.559
you're supposed to leave tonight and drive
to Charlotte to be on TV by

676
00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:37.519
noon tomorrow. Made no sense.
He knew this film was coming up,

677
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:40.559
so I called mcmahnon at his home
in Boca Raton. There was no way

678
00:47:40.880 --> 00:47:44.440
I could make it to Charlotte by
noon the next day. Anyway, it

679
00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:47.039
was snowing in Massachusetts that night.
What just sail from the beginning. So

680
00:47:47.159 --> 00:47:52.400
the whole thing was nuts. Terry
McMahon says, you're a wrestler, not

681
00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:57.960
an actor. If you go through
this Rocky movie, you fired. I'll

682
00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:01.280
never work here again, okay,
Vince. I hung up the phone,

683
00:48:01.360 --> 00:48:05.039
say goodbye to everyone at the arena, and blew up the next day to

684
00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:09.079
do Rocky three. I'd come too
far to let anyone, even Vince McMahon

685
00:48:09.159 --> 00:48:13.400
Sr. Hold me down right the
ins and outs of the business. Now.

686
00:48:13.719 --> 00:48:15.800
I also knew that Hulk Hogan was
already bigger than anything McMahon could envision,

687
00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:21.039
especially in Japan. So I flew
out to Los Angeles and shot my

688
00:48:21.119 --> 00:48:25.679
scenes with Stallone, playing this over
the top character named Thunderlips. So this

689
00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:30.000
is eighty one, you said,
right, eighty one shot from May to

690
00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:35.440
August of eighty one, and it's
pretty much accepted that his WWF run ended

691
00:48:35.440 --> 00:48:42.719
in eighty Okay, So so let's
think about this. So he probably did

692
00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:45.280
Japan and then came back. He
did do a Japan tour, so he

693
00:48:46.760 --> 00:48:51.000
so he would have been under a
WA employee when he got on the set,

694
00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:54.840
but he would have been with Vince
Senior when he got the call to

695
00:48:54.920 --> 00:49:01.440
do the right and the call.
Yeah, and he probably yeah, he

696
00:49:01.519 --> 00:49:06.559
probably came in in seventy nine.
He came to WWF in seventy nine.

697
00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:08.840
In fact, at Terry Funk's introduction, by the way, which is something

698
00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:15.880
Funk says that he introduced Hulk to
Vince Senior and then he does the run

699
00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:20.360
with you know Blassie as his manager. Is the heel incredible Hulk Hogan,

700
00:49:20.440 --> 00:49:24.360
and he wrestled Backland and he did
the first feud with Andre where they had

701
00:49:24.400 --> 00:49:30.679
the Shay Stadium match. That was
August of nineteen eighty. So all right,

702
00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:32.000
I guess it does line up then, Yeah, It's just it was

703
00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:36.199
it was weird to me that he
has to fight with Vince Senior over the

704
00:49:36.280 --> 00:49:39.079
movie when it's accepted that he actually
worked for Vern when this all happened.

705
00:49:39.280 --> 00:49:43.000
So I guess that still works,
though, I mean it might have been

706
00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:50.119
it might not have been as this
fucking as as this crazy ass turnaround that

707
00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:51.880
he's talking about, but it could
very well, be like, no,

708
00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:52.960
I'm making this movie. Yeah.
He's like, if you're gonna make this

709
00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:59.000
movie, then because because guaranteed he
would have to tell them give them an

710
00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:01.800
answer, right, you know.
True, they wouldn't be sitting around like

711
00:50:01.880 --> 00:50:05.480
they need to book somebody to make
sure that they're gonna have somebody in this

712
00:50:05.599 --> 00:50:10.519
movie, right, And so I
wouldn't put it past them to be like

713
00:50:10.639 --> 00:50:15.039
pressuring Hogan, you gotta you know, you gotta commit a you're gonna do

714
00:50:15.079 --> 00:50:17.320
it? Are you gonna not do
it? And and still say I'm gonna

715
00:50:17.320 --> 00:50:20.840
do this movie and then it's like, well, then you can't fucking if

716
00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:22.079
you go out there and do,
you're gonna be fired. And then it

717
00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:27.079
all kind of happening at the same
time. Even though it's earlier than Hogan

718
00:50:27.119 --> 00:50:31.320
describing I'm seeing here, at least
in terms of seventy nine, he worked

719
00:50:34.159 --> 00:50:37.559
Madison Square Garden December seventeenth, seventy
nine against DBAs that might be the match

720
00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:45.679
we we looked at. Now that's
on the pat Patterson, that's the one

721
00:50:45.719 --> 00:50:50.719
on the Hogan DVD said I believe
the first and Patterson and Denucci restle elsewhere

722
00:50:50.760 --> 00:50:52.719
on the Oh yeah, as we
talked about in the in the Pat Patterson

723
00:50:52.760 --> 00:50:59.039
Tribute show. Remember how incredible it
was to also realize that Hogan versus DBAs

724
00:50:59.199 --> 00:51:01.199
such as they were, and seventy
nine was on the show. So flip

725
00:51:01.239 --> 00:51:07.159
to January. He's still working WWF
tapings wow of eighty. So he's here

726
00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:13.519
through January. This is all according
to the Fantastic Wrestling Data dot Com.

727
00:51:14.480 --> 00:51:17.400
Thank god for sites like these.
All Right, February he's still there,

728
00:51:17.519 --> 00:51:22.960
Fall River, he works. I
just saw it. February sixteenth, nineteen

729
00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:27.400
eighty. It's winter. It's winter. Yep, right, that adds up.

730
00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:30.360
Good point. Yes, we're getting
somewhere. Let's flip the calendar out

731
00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:35.719
of March of nineteen eighty. He's
WWF through and through for the entirety of

732
00:51:35.800 --> 00:51:37.400
March. Bearly mind. Now,
you've got a lot to get through,

733
00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:40.199
get to boss. But I want
to work some time here. This is

734
00:51:40.239 --> 00:51:43.679
the kind of thing I've never taken
the time to do. I want to

735
00:51:43.719 --> 00:51:46.039
know, I want to know.
The timeline is important. April still with

736
00:51:46.239 --> 00:51:52.280
Vince, still with WWF. Let's
see, okay, and then he goes

737
00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:58.000
to Japan. It looks like in
May of nineteen eighty he wrestles Backland at

738
00:51:58.039 --> 00:52:01.400
the spectrum of this Pilly. This
could also be you know, that could

739
00:52:01.480 --> 00:52:06.599
be Hogan. This could be around
the time where he got the call to

740
00:52:06.679 --> 00:52:09.519
do Thunderlips because he just talked about
it goes to Japan. Yes, he

741
00:52:09.679 --> 00:52:15.239
told yeah, I know, he
told him like, it's a fake fucking

742
00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:16.960
it's a rib. Someone's pulling a
rib on me and he throws it away.

743
00:52:17.599 --> 00:52:22.239
Well, interestingly, he he did
the fall River thing. He did

744
00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:25.000
another fall River show on May third, nineteen eighty, wrestling Pat Patterson of

745
00:52:25.039 --> 00:52:30.280
all people. Wow, so that
might be the faithful Night. Let me

746
00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:34.599
ask you this, do we know
when that fucking TV show happened where he

747
00:52:34.639 --> 00:52:38.480
threw three guys around the ring?
The TV show happened where he threw three

748
00:52:38.519 --> 00:52:43.239
guys. That's what That's what he
says. That's what That's what people talk

749
00:52:43.280 --> 00:52:46.320
about. Oh oh, that's where
Stone saw him on text alone saw.

750
00:52:46.480 --> 00:52:51.639
That's a good question. Well,
he's he's wrestling, uh, Pete Doherty

751
00:52:51.719 --> 00:52:55.199
and Silvano Susa who recently just passed
away actually in Worcester on May one,

752
00:52:55.440 --> 00:53:00.320
nineteen eighty. I don't take though, I don't think that necessarily would have

753
00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:04.360
been something Stallone would have seen on
TV. But it indicates that they were

754
00:53:04.400 --> 00:53:06.840
doing that in the circuit. Let
me take another look. Wow, could

755
00:53:06.840 --> 00:53:10.960
it be to Boston Classic jobbers that
were getting tossed around? Let's see.

756
00:53:12.440 --> 00:53:15.119
Now he did the same to Steve
King and Mike Masters and Poughkeepsie on April

757
00:53:15.159 --> 00:53:22.800
twenty eighth, nineteen eighty. So
he's got some he's got other handicap match

758
00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:25.000
opponents. But no, you got
to think it's the Garden right if yeah,

759
00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:31.760
because he so MSG Network, right, didn't he say that that Stallone

760
00:53:31.880 --> 00:53:36.199
was watching the MSG network stands for
Madison Square. Now that's what he enjoyed

761
00:53:36.199 --> 00:53:42.159
doing the tapings and stuff. And
I see, I see, well it's

762
00:53:42.239 --> 00:53:46.519
probably it's probably one of those two
matches, because I'm not seeing handicap matches.

763
00:53:46.519 --> 00:53:51.400
I'm back now in March of eighty. What about later? When was

764
00:53:51.440 --> 00:53:53.880
he gone? He was gone in
May, So I'm working backwards from there

765
00:53:54.280 --> 00:53:57.719
looking for any instance of him wrestling
more than one of them. No,

766
00:53:57.760 --> 00:54:00.239
but what about after though, because
he talks about going to Japan then coming

767
00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:05.239
back from Japan to Vince to Vince. All right, let's take a look

768
00:54:05.599 --> 00:54:08.320
and then may you know, Yeah, yeah, good good stuff, so

769
00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:12.920
so may he takes off in March. He works that May. Rather,

770
00:54:13.239 --> 00:54:15.679
he works at what they would call
in Japan the Madison Square Garden series,

771
00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:22.800
which is basically like big time New
York wrestlers come to Japan and perform and

772
00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:29.840
work in a Tokyo garden and then
yes with the cherry blossoms and everything,

773
00:54:30.519 --> 00:54:34.519
and then he comes back to the
United States in June. And he's back

774
00:54:34.599 --> 00:54:37.880
in Allentown on June seventeenth, nineteen
eighty working yep. And then here's a

775
00:54:37.960 --> 00:54:42.639
taping in Hamburg where he takes on
Angelo Gomez and fred Marzino in a two

776
00:54:42.639 --> 00:54:47.519
on one that could have been it. So he's still there working through June.

777
00:54:47.679 --> 00:54:51.519
Let's flip the calendar to July.
I want to see the exact breakpoint

778
00:54:51.559 --> 00:54:53.199
to go to vern. Yes,
I think that that kind of tells us

779
00:54:53.280 --> 00:54:58.880
that he's told Vince to go fuck
off at this exactly. So he's still

780
00:54:58.920 --> 00:55:02.599
with him through August. No,
pardon me. July of nineteen eighty,

781
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:08.559
still working WWF shows. He does
a FILLI, he does a a Montreal

782
00:55:08.679 --> 00:55:14.360
jaunt, but I'm sure that was
just a one off deal. August still

783
00:55:14.440 --> 00:55:19.000
there, he does a couple of
mid South shots. Interestingly enough, WWF

784
00:55:19.159 --> 00:55:23.360
WWF all the way through, there's
a Cape cod date. Now we're in

785
00:55:23.440 --> 00:55:29.079
August. Let's go to September.
The leaves are changing, the industry is

786
00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:36.159
changing. Working Andre all over the
circuit, including Boston. There's the Maggins

787
00:55:36.199 --> 00:55:39.639
Pat Patterson as well. Okay,
so that's Manchester, New Hampshire, Andre

788
00:55:39.800 --> 00:55:45.079
versus Hollow. Then he does another
tour of Japan in October. See,

789
00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:47.920
I'm gonna bet that this is the
one he did, because if he did

790
00:55:47.960 --> 00:55:51.880
the taping in all in Town,
okay, with him beating the two guys,

791
00:55:52.159 --> 00:55:55.320
yep, So Loan sees that he
contacts him. Hogan goes Japan thinking

792
00:55:55.360 --> 00:56:00.599
that it's a rib okay, all
right, all right the second the second

793
00:56:00.679 --> 00:56:06.199
Japan, I'm going to bank is
is is the one. So around October

794
00:56:06.280 --> 00:56:09.960
we're gonna say yes. Still los
in Japan through December. He comes back

795
00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:15.000
to WWF December thirteenth, nineteen eighty, working Rick mcgron Boston Garden. He

796
00:56:15.639 --> 00:56:21.159
closes out nineteen eighty with Vince According
to the match listing, we turned the

797
00:56:21.239 --> 00:56:24.440
calendar now to nineteen eighty one.
I'll get goosebumps. I literally do.

798
00:56:24.800 --> 00:56:27.719
This is massive. Well, I
mean, now you're invested. You know,

799
00:56:27.800 --> 00:56:30.760
you've spent so much time. So
all right. He works for them

800
00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:34.800
through January nineteen eighty one, No
problem, eighty one. That was the

801
00:56:34.880 --> 00:56:38.000
year he went to wa So we're
getting close. Okay. He's still with

802
00:56:38.199 --> 00:56:45.039
WWF through February, working many opponents, Tony Gree among them. Let's see

803
00:56:45.440 --> 00:56:51.599
fall. Oh wait, let me
look closely. I switched to March,

804
00:56:51.639 --> 00:56:54.480
where he does another Japan tour,
but it's a much more short one in

805
00:56:54.639 --> 00:56:59.280
March, and then he comes back
to WWF. Boston, New Haven,

806
00:56:59.400 --> 00:57:04.079
Landover York Fall River was on almost
every tour. So you can put that

807
00:57:04.719 --> 00:57:08.280
right, You can pencil that in
to well, you know what, you

808
00:57:08.360 --> 00:57:12.920
want to know something I want if
it's in April, Well, here we

809
00:57:13.000 --> 00:57:16.760
are in April. Only two matches
listed in April against Tony Atlas on one

810
00:57:16.840 --> 00:57:22.039
day in April nineteen eighty one,
So he does what day April eighteenth,

811
00:57:22.159 --> 00:57:25.159
nineteen eighty one. You want to
know something? What? Don't don't electrify

812
00:57:25.239 --> 00:57:28.880
me like this if you're not.
I know a little piece of trivia about

813
00:57:28.920 --> 00:57:31.920
that, because April eighteenth, that's
two days after I was born. Yes,

814
00:57:32.519 --> 00:57:36.760
and I was born. My mom
always reminded me of this. I

815
00:57:36.880 --> 00:57:39.480
was born on Holy Thursday of that
year because it was it was, you

816
00:57:39.519 --> 00:57:43.480
know, Easter cane r after my
birthday. Yeah, and it snowed on

817
00:57:43.519 --> 00:57:46.880
my birthday. Wow, it's snowed
April sixteenth? Could it event? Could

818
00:57:46.920 --> 00:57:50.280
that be the piece of intel we're
missing? Because you know what he does

819
00:57:50.360 --> 00:57:52.800
right after that? He goes to
Japan, I guess he does. And

820
00:57:52.920 --> 00:57:57.320
he works a tour from at least
May. This is all so only two

821
00:57:57.360 --> 00:58:00.400
matches in April, which seems like
something is a miss. Something a miss

822
00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:05.039
in terms of yep. And then
he comes back and he goes to Florida

823
00:58:05.719 --> 00:58:08.679
and he wrestles Championshipressling from Florida against
Mighty Igor. He comes back in June.

824
00:58:09.119 --> 00:58:12.280
Yeah, they would, They would
be filming at this point. So

825
00:58:13.400 --> 00:58:16.000
would you know where they filmed the
movie La? Yeah? According to this,

826
00:58:16.119 --> 00:58:20.599
he he does do a couple of
weird LA stops along the way here.

827
00:58:20.800 --> 00:58:22.599
Well, according to this, according
to the next part about to read

828
00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:28.239
from the Hollywood Hogan book, they
filmed at the Olympic in downtown La.

829
00:58:29.119 --> 00:58:31.679
Yeah, because he's working the Olympic. One off here, all right.

830
00:58:31.719 --> 00:58:37.400
So he wrestles Jerry Lawler in CWF
Championship Wrestling from Florida and Saint Petersburg July

831
00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:40.039
eighteenth, nineteen eighty one. He
only has three matches that summer, so

832
00:58:40.159 --> 00:58:44.440
he must be busy filming a certain
movie. And then what do you know,

833
00:58:44.719 --> 00:58:46.559
his first shot with the AWA August
first, eighty one. They go

834
00:58:46.719 --> 00:58:51.599
watch and it's AWA from there,
so that's got to be it. That's

835
00:58:51.960 --> 00:58:55.639
un fucking believable. We triangulated,
folks. It's what we do here,

836
00:58:57.000 --> 00:59:00.480
even if it's live DJing, So
get it done. So he's not too

837
00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:02.599
far off though. That's kind of
interesting. Well except when he says he

838
00:59:02.599 --> 00:59:06.239
filmed it in nineteen seventy nine.
Well, yes, that that part has

839
00:59:06.280 --> 00:59:10.360
complained insists that he filmed it.
Brother, No you didn't. Eighty one

840
00:59:12.360 --> 00:59:15.920
May to August is one not hard
to look up. But yeah, as

841
00:59:16.119 --> 00:59:20.480
I said before, we now segue
to Hollywood Hulk Cogan. Yes, my

842
00:59:20.559 --> 00:59:22.400
first day at the Olympic Audcitorium in
downtown LA I had to show up at

843
00:59:22.440 --> 00:59:25.119
five or six in the morning for
makeup. When I came out of the

844
00:59:25.159 --> 00:59:30.800
trailers to loone introduce me to his
stunt coordinator, a guy named Tom Renesto.

845
00:59:30.920 --> 00:59:35.400
What As it turned out, Tom
Rensto had been working in the Florida

846
00:59:35.480 --> 00:59:37.920
Wrestling office when I first started out. He was one of the bookers there.

847
00:59:38.280 --> 00:59:42.239
Yeah, one of the guys who
would put together the storylines for the

848
00:59:42.320 --> 00:59:46.320
wrestlers. Tom Renesto was the stunt
coordinator on Rocky three. Well, hold

849
00:59:46.400 --> 00:59:51.199
on, hold on. I didn't
know him very well back in Florida,

850
00:59:51.199 --> 00:59:52.840
but we just said hello, goodbye. That was it. I was just

851
00:59:52.920 --> 00:59:55.000
some kid who was trying to get
into the wrestling business, so there was

852
00:59:55.039 --> 00:59:59.199
no reason to have any more dialogue
than that. And there we were on

853
00:59:59.280 --> 01:00:02.280
the set of Rocky three, Small
World Brother Anyway, stallone and I got

854
01:00:02.360 --> 01:00:06.199
into the ring. We weren't slated
to film anything. The first morning.

855
01:00:06.239 --> 01:00:08.320
We were just rehearsing and going through
stuff. And the one thing he kept

856
01:00:08.360 --> 01:00:12.320
telling me was he wanted everything to
be as real as possible. Oh,

857
01:00:12.519 --> 01:00:15.280
you know, I wanted through the
stunts myself. I want to think that

858
01:00:15.400 --> 01:00:17.320
hits myself. No. I was
worried because in the movies you have to

859
01:00:17.400 --> 01:00:20.840
do things over and over, you
know, to get it just right.

860
01:00:21.199 --> 01:00:25.280
I didn't know if Stallone could take
that much punishment, but he kept saying

861
01:00:25.360 --> 01:00:30.199
he would want it all to do
all the things himself. He wanted to

862
01:00:30.239 --> 01:00:34.760
show that what would really happen if
a three hundred pound wrestler really got into

863
01:00:34.760 --> 01:00:37.400
the ring with a boxer. I
can tell you what would happen hed get

864
01:00:37.400 --> 01:00:44.119
his ass kicked the wrestler fucking boxer
would win. Well, I wouldn't.

865
01:00:44.119 --> 01:00:46.559
I wouldn't nessarily count on that.
No. I mean in that, you

866
01:00:46.679 --> 01:00:50.639
know, if he could take a
boxer off his feet, there's nothing going,

867
01:00:51.280 --> 01:00:52.639
It's true, hold him there till
it's over, and so long as

868
01:00:52.719 --> 01:00:57.840
you can get through a couple of
shots on entry, you're gonna win.

869
01:00:57.920 --> 01:01:02.599
All right. That's why I'll lead. Didn't let a nochi do takedowns and

870
01:01:02.760 --> 01:01:09.119
keep it there because that's true.
All morning. Uh, Tom Arnesto worked

871
01:01:09.119 --> 01:01:13.199
with us in the choreography had laid
out. I went through all the motions,

872
01:01:13.239 --> 01:01:15.400
but I guess I didn't look too
happy about it, because at lunchtime,

873
01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:19.000
Stalone asked me to eat with him
in his trailer. So he said,

874
01:01:19.320 --> 01:01:22.039
so, you know, what do
you think, Tom Arnesto, I

875
01:01:22.119 --> 01:01:23.559
said, I know him from my
days in the Florida. Dude, you

876
01:01:23.599 --> 01:01:28.480
know I first started. Now he
knows a little bit about wrestling. Then

877
01:01:28.559 --> 01:01:30.960
Stallone said, well, what do
you think about the match being Rocky,

878
01:01:31.000 --> 01:01:36.559
bub ball and thunderlips. I said
it'll be good and was putting together some

879
01:01:36.639 --> 01:01:38.280
good stuff and Stallone asked, now, how really you think it is?

880
01:01:39.159 --> 01:01:44.239
Well? I said, the scott
Ronesto is probably a great stunt coordinator.

881
01:01:44.280 --> 01:01:46.840
I don't know, but I believe
he's appeasing you. Brother, He's not

882
01:01:46.920 --> 01:01:51.400
showing the audience what really totally happened
if I was to get ahold of you,

883
01:01:51.480 --> 01:01:53.280
because if I did, the thought
would be over in about three seconds.

884
01:01:54.840 --> 01:01:59.719
He said, whoa, We can't
entit it in three seconds. We

885
01:02:00.159 --> 01:02:02.440
have to get some time on screen, you know, eight or nine minutes

886
01:02:02.599 --> 01:02:07.519
least, when need ten to fifteen
big moves. Well, you know what

887
01:02:07.559 --> 01:02:08.840
do you mean by big moves?
I asked, do you mean like a

888
01:02:08.880 --> 01:02:13.360
body slam over the top you'll five
punches? He said, no, No,

889
01:02:13.480 --> 01:02:16.280
in film one punch a big move. Body slam is a big move.

890
01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:21.000
Souplex is a big move. I
said, you gotta be kidding,

891
01:02:21.079 --> 01:02:23.800
dude, You're only fifteen or twenty
of those, brother, What this guy's

892
01:02:23.840 --> 01:02:28.679
doing is all screwed up. It
looks like two one hundred and fifty pound

893
01:02:28.719 --> 01:02:31.239
guys doing the jazz as together.
Brother, it's not even close to what

894
01:02:31.280 --> 01:02:36.159
would really happen. So Stallone asked
if I could set the match up,

895
01:02:36.239 --> 01:02:37.679
and I said, yeah, of
course I can. Brother. So after

896
01:02:37.760 --> 01:02:40.519
lunch was over, I did not
see where nested on set, and I

897
01:02:40.599 --> 01:02:45.039
wrote down everything that needed to be
done thirty or forty, thirty or forty

898
01:02:45.119 --> 01:02:46.719
big moves. Can we take a
pause quickly here? Yes we can.

899
01:02:47.199 --> 01:02:52.360
In the context of the film,
they ever acknowledged that wrestling is a work,

900
01:02:53.960 --> 01:03:00.079
I don't remember they they kind of
do they. I can remember.

901
01:03:00.119 --> 01:03:06.280
If the scene with Hogan is supposed
to be wrestling's phony and Rocky knows that

902
01:03:06.719 --> 01:03:08.800
Hope shoots on him anyway because they
that's come to an agreement to have a

903
01:03:08.880 --> 01:03:12.079
real fight, that's kind of well, they don't come to an agreement.

904
01:03:12.599 --> 01:03:15.800
Hogan just comes in wanting to kick
his ass, right, and it's supposed

905
01:03:15.800 --> 01:03:22.679
to be this little charity worked fight, yes, and you know when we

906
01:03:22.719 --> 01:03:24.960
have a good show, you know, and just kind of stands over.

907
01:03:27.119 --> 01:03:29.679
Okay. So it makes sense then
that Hogan would say, like, you

908
01:03:29.760 --> 01:03:31.199
know, Tom Ornesto, I guess, and I'm sure you'll continue here.

909
01:03:31.360 --> 01:03:37.239
Yeah, is is scripting a back
and forth worked wrestling match, but the

910
01:03:37.320 --> 01:03:39.239
scene is supposed to be a wrestler
going into business for himself, and he

911
01:03:39.280 --> 01:03:43.760
wouldn't do scripted wrestling moves in right
context. Okay, although he does do

912
01:03:43.920 --> 01:03:49.039
scripted wrestling moves like and the Ultimate
he drops a love for sake, the

913
01:03:49.159 --> 01:03:54.360
circular logic of wrestling, we still
end up with phony spots. Exactly uh

914
01:03:58.079 --> 01:04:00.079
thirty four minutes. First Rocky would
he hit me three times, then I

915
01:04:00.119 --> 01:04:03.599
would grab him and hammer him.
After that I would backon him into a

916
01:04:03.679 --> 01:04:08.480
corner boom, big punch, big
souplex, big power slam, and Sloan

917
01:04:08.559 --> 01:04:11.519
did everything himself. But fortunately for
him, we got a lot of stuff

918
01:04:11.559 --> 01:04:14.039
in one take because I was able
to tell him exactly where he was going

919
01:04:14.119 --> 01:04:16.280
to start out and exactly where he
was going to land. Then we got

920
01:04:16.280 --> 01:04:18.639
to the power slam, and that
wasn't going to be easy. No matter

921
01:04:18.800 --> 01:04:23.400
what, when you powerslam somebody,
you end up landing on top of him,

922
01:04:23.440 --> 01:04:26.400
in my case, with three hundred
and thirty pounds of bone and muscles.

923
01:04:26.400 --> 01:04:30.400
So he's already up this weight three
twenty three thirty and there's really no

924
01:04:30.480 --> 01:04:32.639
way to break that fall. I
told Sloan that's going to be a stuff

925
01:04:32.639 --> 01:04:35.239
one brother. You know, it's
goo'll be rough, so we should try

926
01:04:35.599 --> 01:04:40.000
our best to get it on the
first take. Dude, I remember,

927
01:04:40.039 --> 01:04:43.079
we saved that move for last.
When the time came, I picked him

928
01:04:43.119 --> 01:04:45.679
up and ran him cornered a corner, then dove in the middle of the

929
01:04:45.760 --> 01:04:48.440
ring. When Sloane hit the canvas
in my chest landed on top of his

930
01:04:48.599 --> 01:04:54.199
chest. Blood squirted out of his
mouth, but he didn't bitch about it.

931
01:04:54.559 --> 01:04:57.639
He just got up, looked at
the cara man and said, Gaberade,

932
01:04:57.679 --> 01:05:00.280
you got it, Karen b you
got it. They both said yeah,

933
01:05:00.320 --> 01:05:03.519
I got it. So Stallone said
print, good enough, move on.

934
01:05:04.559 --> 01:05:06.880
Then he went back to his trailer
and spit up blood for a while.

935
01:05:08.480 --> 01:05:12.599
Do you think Stallone ever got sick
of Hulkgan saying that he get like

936
01:05:12.679 --> 01:05:16.360
totally fucked up Sylvester Stallone when it
was all pretend. Well, uh,

937
01:05:16.599 --> 01:05:21.800
you know he Stallone. Sloan's a
weird fucking guy, you know. Yeah,

938
01:05:21.840 --> 01:05:28.519
he's a worker, he's he's a
fascinating individual because he you know,

939
01:05:29.039 --> 01:05:32.320
with the boxing stuff, he likes
it to be real. He doesn't want

940
01:05:32.360 --> 01:05:35.920
people to pull their punches. He
wants from what I've gathered. And I

941
01:05:35.960 --> 01:05:38.960
don't know this, you know,
I don't know about the other movies,

942
01:05:39.559 --> 01:05:44.679
but I know I've read somewhere in
at least one of the movies, yet

943
01:05:44.719 --> 01:05:49.599
not all the movies. Those his
eyes are really swollen in those fights.

944
01:05:49.960 --> 01:05:54.800
Wow, you know there, it's
fucking real because he will take the shots

945
01:05:54.800 --> 01:05:57.639
and he wants it to look as
real as possible. He blades. I

946
01:05:57.679 --> 01:06:00.679
don't like, huh, he blades, and I'm sure he blades in a

947
01:06:00.719 --> 01:06:06.199
bunch of them, but I'm like, fuck, like he's he's he's intense

948
01:06:06.880 --> 01:06:11.079
and he does. He did tweet. Now, I'll talk about a moment.

949
01:06:11.199 --> 01:06:17.039
He did tweet something on the at
the the anniversary of Rocky Like there

950
01:06:17.119 --> 01:06:20.840
was he was tweeting or instagramming or
something not too long ago. Where he

951
01:06:21.000 --> 01:06:30.719
was he was he really he celebrated
Hogan and his stiffness, all right,

952
01:06:31.480 --> 01:06:34.480
but he did everything himself. To
this day, I've never seen better on

953
01:06:34.599 --> 01:06:39.320
anybody so important to a film who
was willing to take those kinds of risks

954
01:06:39.719 --> 01:06:42.360
he wanted it to be real,
and we got it pretty damn close.

955
01:06:42.440 --> 01:06:45.760
So I did Rocky three and made
my fourteen thousand dollars, which was no

956
01:06:45.880 --> 01:06:47.840
money at all. Really, only
then did I have time to reflect on

957
01:06:47.920 --> 01:06:50.199
what Vincent Mann had said to me
and how I had lost my job.

958
01:06:51.079 --> 01:06:54.480
When I came back to La,
I ran around with So he goes away

959
01:06:54.519 --> 01:06:57.840
for a while. There's another I
think there's another tour Japan. And when

960
01:06:57.840 --> 01:06:59.920
I came back to La, I
ran around with Stallone for a while.

961
01:07:00.039 --> 01:07:01.280
He and his wife had just gotten
divorced. We was single again, and

962
01:07:01.320 --> 01:07:04.519
everybody knew it. And because he
had just finished Rocky three and was about

963
01:07:04.559 --> 01:07:09.320
to do Rambo, he was hotter
than a firecracker. Women would just come

964
01:07:09.360 --> 01:07:12.400
out of nowhere and throw themselves at
him. I would meet him for lunch

965
01:07:12.440 --> 01:07:15.360
somewhere, and all of a sudden
we would be surrounded by twenty gorgeous blondes

966
01:07:15.400 --> 01:07:18.360
with fake tits and fake noses.
If Stallone decided he'd liked one of them,

967
01:07:18.519 --> 01:07:21.400
he'd leave with her. Then his
best buddy here would have his choice

968
01:07:21.440 --> 01:07:25.760
of number two. It was a
beautiful thing. What did you do about

969
01:07:25.800 --> 01:07:28.159
it? Terry's what did you do
about that situation. Looking back, I

970
01:07:28.199 --> 01:07:30.679
don't know how the hell I ever
did it, but I but it was

971
01:07:30.760 --> 01:07:33.840
sure, it sure was a lot
of fun. Somewhere during that time,

972
01:07:33.920 --> 01:07:36.440
I got an idea. I asked
alone if I could do some have some

973
01:07:36.519 --> 01:07:41.239
publicity stills from the movie I was
sending next to Stallone, holding him over

974
01:07:41.360 --> 01:07:44.760
my head, all kinds of straight
crazy stuff. He wasn't supposed to release

975
01:07:44.800 --> 01:07:45.559
the pictures yet, but he gave
them to me, and I sent them

976
01:07:45.639 --> 01:07:54.079
to a promoter in Minnesota named Verne
Gagne the pictures from where from the movie

977
01:07:54.559 --> 01:07:59.639
Wow, Primo stills Wow. A
two time NCAA champion who ran the American

978
01:07:59.719 --> 01:08:03.400
Resting Association. Verne Gagney called me
as soon as he got the publicity shots.

979
01:08:03.400 --> 01:08:05.880
He was a shrewd guy. He
knew he was looking at a damn

980
01:08:05.920 --> 01:08:13.159
gold mine. Well, you know
how fourteen thousand, huh? How fourteen

981
01:08:13.199 --> 01:08:15.199
thousand? That's it? All right? For a whole year, and I

982
01:08:15.239 --> 01:08:20.479
got ninety percent of that. I
find out hard to believe that that Vince

983
01:08:20.560 --> 01:08:26.319
worked, that that Hogan headlined or
co headlined shay Stadium, Andre the Giant,

984
01:08:26.640 --> 01:08:29.760
and Vern hadn't heard of himuntil he
got something rights in the mail.

985
01:08:30.640 --> 01:08:34.880
How soon can you start? Yeah, I told him I could start right

986
01:08:34.960 --> 01:08:39.760
away. So I went to Minnesota
to wrestle for the AWA, but I

987
01:08:39.800 --> 01:08:43.800
didn't really leave La behind. I
kept coming back for one reason or another,

988
01:08:44.359 --> 01:08:47.600
back to the other Hogan book.
Well, I want you to come

989
01:08:47.640 --> 01:08:51.800
wrestle here, Gagney told me.
I got this guy named Jesse Ventura and

990
01:08:53.000 --> 01:08:55.279
who I want to put you in
the ring with. You got a real

991
01:08:55.359 --> 01:08:58.840
small territory here, which means you'll
only have to wrestle four days a week.

992
01:08:59.279 --> 01:09:00.960
But I want to pay a lot
of money and then take ninety percent

993
01:09:01.039 --> 01:09:06.239
back. Like I said, at
this point, I just wanted to go

994
01:09:06.239 --> 01:09:10.640
wherever I was one of the most
and from the numbers he was throwing at

995
01:09:10.720 --> 01:09:14.159
me, Verne Gagny wanted me bad. So I said, okay, just

996
01:09:14.279 --> 01:09:19.239
like that in early nineteen eighty two, I left Japan a girl and crazy

997
01:09:19.319 --> 01:09:21.479
fame, and I went, Yeah, that's got to be a self serving.

998
01:09:21.720 --> 01:09:25.920
There's got to be something. There's
got to be some glitch in the

999
01:09:25.960 --> 01:09:30.239
matrix for him. If he acknowledges
the actual years, he's too specific,

1000
01:09:30.520 --> 01:09:32.199
like why mention what year it was? Especially if it's the wrong year,

1001
01:09:32.319 --> 01:09:36.199
and it's very easy to look that
up. Yeah. Interesting, Yeah,

1002
01:09:39.279 --> 01:09:42.720
there was just one problem. I
was supposed to be the bad guy that

1003
01:09:42.840 --> 01:09:46.199
always worked before. But after Rocky
three hit theater is that spring? How

1004
01:09:46.439 --> 01:09:49.840
every time I would step in the
in the arena, the place would explode.

1005
01:09:50.439 --> 01:09:54.720
The crowds cheered for me instead of
booing. It started to become real

1006
01:09:54.840 --> 01:09:59.000
clear that my playing in the heel
wouldn't cut it anymore. That basically ruined

1007
01:09:59.000 --> 01:10:01.800
all of Verne Gagney's play. It's
making me the challenger to Jesse Ventura tour

1008
01:10:01.880 --> 01:10:06.119
was a face. That's that's different
though, when Ventura says Ventura says that

1009
01:10:08.119 --> 01:10:11.880
because Verne knew that Hogan was going
to be in Rocky three, that he

1010
01:10:11.960 --> 01:10:14.000
had to cast him as a face, even though he'd been nothing but a

1011
01:10:14.039 --> 01:10:16.359
heel in wrestling up to that point. Now, Hogan was kind of like

1012
01:10:16.439 --> 01:10:19.880
a celebrated baby face in Japan,
and vern certainly had a beat on what

1013
01:10:19.960 --> 01:10:23.439
was going on in Japan. You
know, Eachiban's Hogan. So Nope,

1014
01:10:23.520 --> 01:10:26.960
never never knew him until the publicity
stills because that was eighty three, right

1015
01:10:27.000 --> 01:10:29.880
when if he came in and worked
for Yeah, if he came in and

1016
01:10:29.960 --> 01:10:33.359
worked for vernon August of eighty three. He had already done the first he

1017
01:10:33.479 --> 01:10:41.000
was gone three. No, that's
when he started for VERN. No,

1018
01:10:41.520 --> 01:10:43.880
I'm sorry I been August eighty one. I'm sorry that you won, I

1019
01:10:43.880 --> 01:10:45.800
said, eighty three, August eighty
one, Okay, very much gone in

1020
01:10:47.119 --> 01:10:51.439
three right, right, But he'd
already kind of been cast as a as

1021
01:10:51.479 --> 01:10:55.520
a hero. You know, he
worked to Abbey in New Japan, right,

1022
01:10:55.600 --> 01:10:57.479
No, I mean that's what he
was saying, like they fucking love

1023
01:10:57.600 --> 01:11:02.319
him in Japan already. Yeah,
right, so ah, but uh uh

1024
01:11:04.159 --> 01:11:08.720
so the crowds cheering, uh base
in a way that in the way do

1025
01:11:08.840 --> 01:11:12.000
that was the start of whole comedia
right then. It was the audience that

1026
01:11:12.119 --> 01:11:15.880
made that happen, the crowds that
decided Hulkoen was someone they wanted to cheer

1027
01:11:15.520 --> 01:11:19.199
for rather than Boo. So I
embraced it. I wouldn't fold with one

1028
01:11:19.279 --> 01:11:23.279
punch. It would take three or
four punches to make me fold. I

1029
01:11:23.319 --> 01:11:26.600
would really play it up, combining
bad guy and good guy elements all in

1030
01:11:26.600 --> 01:11:28.560
one. Look at him, He's
such a fucking cleaner, this guy.

1031
01:11:30.520 --> 01:11:32.520
I'd get hit in the head with
a chair, which not surprisingly hurts like

1032
01:11:32.640 --> 01:11:36.600
hell or swiped by a pair of
brass knuckles, and it just made me

1033
01:11:36.800 --> 01:11:40.720
mad. I'm not shake it off. There was a whole different or to

1034
01:11:40.760 --> 01:11:44.159
everything I did, and the audience
just started eating from the palm of my

1035
01:11:44.279 --> 01:11:46.520
hand. It was in those arenas
that I started playing Survivors Eye of the

1036
01:11:46.600 --> 01:11:51.520
Tiger as my theme music whenever I
walked in. Wrestlers never used theme music

1037
01:11:51.600 --> 01:11:55.840
before that. You can't imagine how
loud the crowds roared when they heard that

1038
01:11:55.960 --> 01:12:00.399
song from Rocky three. It was
the again stars aligning stars, so fucking

1039
01:12:01.079 --> 01:12:05.239
aligning, because I mean, I
have a Tiger is an awesome anthem.

1040
01:12:05.880 --> 01:12:13.239
You know it's it's it's easily actually, it's probably the most recognizable rocky song

1041
01:12:13.319 --> 01:12:16.039
there is, even more so than
the traditional rocky theme because this was like

1042
01:12:16.079 --> 01:12:23.680
a mainstream hit. Yeah, and
you know to have so so you're gonna

1043
01:12:23.680 --> 01:12:29.199
get a pop anyway because of that
fucking music. Let alone Hogan being this

1044
01:12:29.640 --> 01:12:33.720
monster who's just in a fucking rocky
movie. It's you know, I'm getting

1045
01:12:33.760 --> 01:12:38.319
it. I'm really getting you know. For a long time, I've never

1046
01:12:38.359 --> 01:12:42.600
really understood why Hulk Hogan, But
I'm getting it. He is he is

1047
01:12:42.680 --> 01:12:45.760
an attraction like he is you know, we joke about it, but he

1048
01:12:45.840 --> 01:12:48.039
really is the circus, you know, he is this guy you want to

1049
01:12:48.119 --> 01:12:51.960
fucking see. He's the what are
you saying? Please click that. This

1050
01:12:53.119 --> 01:12:57.560
is an interview from August nineteen eighty
one with gene Oakerland on a WA television

1051
01:12:57.960 --> 01:13:00.560
listed on YouTube. Is one of
hul Kogan's first AWA interviews. I remember,

1052
01:13:02.479 --> 01:13:04.800
oh, stop it. I don't
want to do it yet, No,

1053
01:13:05.680 --> 01:13:10.880
stop, take your time seeing.
At some point I think we probably

1054
01:13:10.880 --> 01:13:13.680
even mentioned it in the Super Sunday
eighty three show. We did that.

1055
01:13:13.760 --> 01:13:17.520
There's like this unveiling of Hull Cogan
on a w A television that shows like

1056
01:13:17.880 --> 01:13:20.359
and I can't find it right now, so maybe it's been pulled from YouTube.

1057
01:13:20.520 --> 01:13:24.760
It shows like, you know,
the definition, you know, it's

1058
01:13:24.840 --> 01:13:30.720
like this really like over kind of
like an overly dramatic introduction video with him

1059
01:13:30.720 --> 01:13:32.640
almost in silhouette. And they're talked
about this too. How you do these

1060
01:13:32.680 --> 01:13:41.760
promos as I'm looking here facing backwards, you know, like not facing the

1061
01:13:42.880 --> 01:13:46.199
right, and I remember seeing those
is kind of helish is almost like yeah,

1062
01:13:47.800 --> 01:13:51.520
right, so the whole maybe the
whole thing that you know Hogan had

1063
01:13:51.560 --> 01:13:55.800
to be a face from day one? Is is Jesse misremembering the chronology a

1064
01:13:55.840 --> 01:13:59.680
little bit right? But here's a
sample of what Hogan would have sounded like

1065
01:13:59.720 --> 01:14:02.399
in this a w a run right
after filming Rocky three. How big I

1066
01:14:02.479 --> 01:14:06.199
aim to find out? How you
let me tell you something? I'm gonna

1067
01:14:06.279 --> 01:14:09.960
let you know. It's just exactly
what I want you to know. I'm

1068
01:14:10.079 --> 01:14:14.800
sick but a three hundred and twenty
five pounds bigger farm in the world.

1069
01:14:15.079 --> 01:14:18.079
That's twenty four. It's the blue
twisted steel and sex appeal daddy. As

1070
01:14:18.279 --> 01:14:23.880
far that such a bad my main
squeeze. He's running around the world right

1071
01:14:23.960 --> 01:14:29.479
now signing major contract, getting top
dollar because he am the best athlete in

1072
01:14:29.560 --> 01:14:31.880
the world and I am the highest
paid professional wrestler in the world. What

1073
01:14:31.960 --> 01:14:35.159
do you think of that? I
am impressed. That's about that. I

1074
01:14:35.279 --> 01:14:40.000
am fully aware of the fact that
hero I'm made event on that record crowd

1075
01:14:40.039 --> 01:14:42.720
at Chase Stadium in New York City
here is look at that. Wow,

1076
01:14:42.960 --> 01:14:46.439
Okay, what if you turned a
pasty give a little gun swath Field August.

1077
01:14:47.159 --> 01:14:53.079
Let's try Chase Stadium, the biggest
house in the history of professional wrestling.

1078
01:14:53.920 --> 01:14:56.560
Look at that, Look at that. It's very much a heel holdan

1079
01:14:56.640 --> 01:15:01.680
No, very much a hell um. Last thing was I was the main

1080
01:15:01.680 --> 01:15:04.960
attraction of every arena. Hulk Cogan
was the star, no question. Everyone

1081
01:15:05.000 --> 01:15:09.880
in the wrestling business knew it too. I could feel the world opening to

1082
01:15:10.119 --> 01:15:17.600
me. So yeah, so Hogan
Hogan taken the world by storm and you

1083
01:15:17.680 --> 01:15:21.960
know, making his first, you
know, his debut movie role. Now,

1084
01:15:23.399 --> 01:15:27.000
shortly after the movie was released,
the Salt Lake Tribune wrote a piece

1085
01:15:27.039 --> 01:15:32.000
on Hogan. They want something like
this. He's not a man, He's

1086
01:15:32.000 --> 01:15:35.239
an event. The incredible Hulk Cogan, a star of screen, television and

1087
01:15:35.279 --> 01:15:39.800
pro wrestling, is just plain huge. He is. I don't know why

1088
01:15:39.800 --> 01:15:43.960
I wrote five eight pretty five eight, three hundred and twenty five pounds.

1089
01:15:44.000 --> 01:15:47.000
That's a different problem. That'd be
a problem. He is six eight,

1090
01:15:47.039 --> 01:15:49.920
three hundred and twenty five pounds.
But I've lost some weight recently, he

1091
01:15:50.000 --> 01:15:54.640
says. The weight lies not in
the stomach, a huge stomach, much

1092
01:15:54.760 --> 01:15:58.439
like many of his adversaries, but
in muscle. When he flexes his pectoria

1093
01:15:58.520 --> 01:16:01.960
muscles, you can see it in
the thirty third row. Hulk Hogan.

1094
01:16:02.079 --> 01:16:05.560
Yes, he has had his name
officially changed to Hulk, has been flexing

1095
01:16:05.600 --> 01:16:10.039
his muscles in the recently released Rocky
three. In the movie, he plays

1096
01:16:10.079 --> 01:16:14.079
a professional wrestler who for charity,
has signed to fight the world boxing champion

1097
01:16:14.399 --> 01:16:17.800
Rocky Balboa or Sylvester Saloon. Well, what Rocky had thought would be a

1098
01:16:17.840 --> 01:16:21.079
little fun turned into a nightmare,
as Thunderlips, as mister Hogan is called

1099
01:16:21.079 --> 01:16:25.439
in the movie, goes wild.
If I actually wondered the ring and threw

1100
01:16:25.479 --> 01:16:28.199
a man around like I did Stallone
and try to hurt him, I could

1101
01:16:28.279 --> 01:16:30.359
kill him, mister Hogan says the
Sloane. Well, he has a lot

1102
01:16:30.399 --> 01:16:33.680
of money, brother, and that
will keep you. That'll keep you safe.

1103
01:16:33.720 --> 01:16:38.840
Every time. There have been offers
from various movie makers to letter Hulk

1104
01:16:38.840 --> 01:16:42.479
Hogan back into the in front of
the cameras you know, but they aren't

1105
01:16:42.479 --> 01:16:45.520
willing to pay me more than what
I'm making wrestling, brother, he said,

1106
01:16:45.079 --> 01:16:48.119
the most demanded wrestler in the world. Hulk earned his nickname, which

1107
01:16:48.159 --> 01:16:53.079
became his real name, when he
walked onto a television set where a live

1108
01:16:53.159 --> 01:16:56.560
interview with Lou for Rigno was going
on. Mister, did this article come

1109
01:16:56.600 --> 01:17:00.239
out? This came out in like
August of eighty one, and he's the

1110
01:17:00.279 --> 01:17:04.359
what in the world, the most
demanded wrestler, So okay in eighty one,

1111
01:17:04.760 --> 01:17:10.079
and we're gonna say that Vince McMahon
created right exactly. It is called

1112
01:17:10.239 --> 01:17:13.960
the most in demand wrestler of the
world in nineteen eighty one, thank you.

1113
01:17:14.640 --> 01:17:18.439
Moving on, Hulk earned his nickname, which became his real name,

1114
01:17:18.479 --> 01:17:23.199
when he walked into a television set
where a live interview with Lou for Rigno

1115
01:17:23.319 --> 01:17:27.520
was going on. Mister Hogan challenged
for Ricknou, who stars as the Incredible

1116
01:17:27.600 --> 01:17:30.159
Hulk in the TV series, to
an arm wrestling match. Mister Frickno politely

1117
01:17:30.199 --> 01:17:34.640
and intelligently turned mister Hogan down,
and a legend was born. There are

1118
01:17:34.800 --> 01:17:39.880
many who question the legitimacy of pro
wrestling, but they should be advised not

1119
01:17:39.960 --> 01:17:44.640
to do so in the presence of
the Incredible Hulk Hogan. Later in the

1120
01:17:44.760 --> 01:17:49.279
article, he claims that he was
a heel in New York, that here

1121
01:17:49.359 --> 01:17:54.319
we go. You ready for a
hoganism. He was. He said that

1122
01:17:54.479 --> 01:17:59.039
he was because he was a heal
in New York, that fans outside of

1123
01:17:59.079 --> 01:18:03.319
Madison Square Guard were so angry they
hated him so much they overturned a cab

1124
01:18:03.399 --> 01:18:08.880
that he was in. Oh,
good, good stuff, Like, come

1125
01:18:08.920 --> 01:18:13.399
on, how'd you get out?
Dary? I mean, first of all,

1126
01:18:13.439 --> 01:18:15.159
can you even fit in a cab? Number one? All right?

1127
01:18:15.279 --> 01:18:18.560
Number two? How are they going
to fucking lift a cab with you in

1128
01:18:18.720 --> 01:18:23.880
it? Like Jesus, like eight
hundred more pounds in there? Right?

1129
01:18:23.960 --> 01:18:27.039
I mean the cab is is a
ton hulk. Cogan ban that point was

1130
01:18:27.079 --> 01:18:30.199
what four fifty five eighty something like
that, Yeah, something like that.

1131
01:18:30.279 --> 01:18:34.880
He also was like twelve feet tall, whole thing. Yeah. An article

1132
01:18:35.239 --> 01:18:42.920
so also another article from the uh
the literally called the Park City Newspaper about

1133
01:18:42.960 --> 01:18:46.279
Hogan starts off wrestling has been considered
about as honest as a politician who kisses

1134
01:18:46.359 --> 01:18:50.000
babies or a used car salesman in
PoCA ut pants. That's being generous.

1135
01:18:50.439 --> 01:18:56.359
It is dramatically. It was written
off by New York Times critic Brooks Atkinson,

1136
01:18:56.439 --> 01:19:00.319
who said, once you have seen
one meat ball with blonde hair stepped

1137
01:19:00.319 --> 01:19:03.079
belligerently outside the ring and drinkers the
jeering crowd, You've seen them all.

1138
01:19:03.520 --> 01:19:06.640
Jesus. I mean, at least
used car salesman actually sell something that's real

1139
01:19:06.720 --> 01:19:10.079
and tangible. Yeah right, they
at least like, you know, you're

1140
01:19:10.079 --> 01:19:12.600
gonna get a bad car, but
it's still a car. You know,

1141
01:19:12.800 --> 01:19:20.960
this is even real. It's like
buying vapor but buying air. You know,

1142
01:19:21.079 --> 01:19:26.439
like that's a fucking joke. The
article, you know, they also

1143
01:19:26.439 --> 01:19:30.039
talk about the pouring of the offers
in and they reference the uh the loof

1144
01:19:30.079 --> 01:19:33.560
Arigno moment, and they further the
tail That's legend by saying Hogan wants no

1145
01:19:33.680 --> 01:19:39.399
confusion as to who the real Hulk
is. Look at that bearing fucking Ferigno.

1146
01:19:39.760 --> 01:19:42.199
Yeah, who he would later pay, well, not directly, but

1147
01:19:42.399 --> 01:19:45.439
royalties forever more to use the name. Yeah right, well not him,

1148
01:19:45.520 --> 01:19:48.039
but Marvel Marvel Yeah well yeah,
notice and own it. So he wouldn't

1149
01:19:48.039 --> 01:19:55.399
pay lou his own ship, right
for somebody that so uh thoroughly owned the

1150
01:19:55.479 --> 01:19:58.640
original Hulk. It kind of I
wonder who won at the end of the

1151
01:19:58.720 --> 01:20:03.159
day in the final mallon sheet.
I'll say so. There were some other

1152
01:20:03.279 --> 01:20:09.199
things happening for Hulk Hogan at this
time. Shortly after the release of this

1153
01:20:09.560 --> 01:20:15.199
movie of Rocky three, he met
Linda. Whenever he would do a tour

1154
01:20:15.239 --> 01:20:17.680
of Japan, he would stop at
La and hang out with Stallone and other

1155
01:20:17.720 --> 01:20:24.000
cronies like we're talking about, including
this old high school of of friend of

1156
01:20:24.039 --> 01:20:29.840
Hogan's, Nelson Kidwell and Nelson Kidwell
and if I'm not mistaken, about twenty

1157
01:20:29.920 --> 01:20:31.840
years or so, he'd wrestle a
guy named kid Man. So it's kind

1158
01:20:31.840 --> 01:20:35.560
of all connected there. Nelson Kidwell. Is that where he had the steroids

1159
01:20:35.560 --> 01:20:41.079
scent? Is? I am no? Oh god? What was his name?

1160
01:20:41.720 --> 01:20:45.279
It was some guy who's actually some
guy who had ties to Massachusetts.

1161
01:20:45.279 --> 01:20:47.640
Actually I don't remember his name now, but I would remember if it was

1162
01:20:47.720 --> 01:20:55.560
that one. Yeah, So okay, I was gonna say something. I

1163
01:20:55.600 --> 01:20:59.720
was gonna say something. Where was
I? Where was Idwell? Kidman?

1164
01:21:00.399 --> 01:21:04.079
Crowns? Linda? Linda? Right, So we're actually Jesus, this is

1165
01:21:04.079 --> 01:21:08.640
going to be the perfect companion piece
to the Christmas show we did Christmas in

1166
01:21:08.640 --> 01:21:11.199
the Territory. Oh, totally,
totally. That's all about Hulk in a

1167
01:21:11.359 --> 01:21:15.760
way. This is like this is
the the what the prequel to that?

1168
01:21:16.079 --> 01:21:24.399
Yes? Indeed. Anyway, So
at some hangout that kid Well brought Hogan

1169
01:21:24.439 --> 01:21:27.199
to, there were a lot of
hot women, but the one that stood

1170
01:21:27.239 --> 01:21:30.880
out the most was Linda Clarridge.
And as we all know, she would

1171
01:21:30.880 --> 01:21:34.119
going to marry Hogan, produces children, he'd cheat on her, should divorce

1172
01:21:34.199 --> 01:21:38.039
him and then write a book about
it to get her story out there.

1173
01:21:38.640 --> 01:21:43.359
And did they get married? I'm
trying to remember. Did they get married

1174
01:21:43.439 --> 01:21:45.600
on Japanese television? Yes? They
did, they did. Don't forget that.

1175
01:21:46.720 --> 01:21:49.520
If you don't mind, we're gonna
have a little fun here under the

1176
01:21:49.560 --> 01:21:54.239
cinemat. I'm going to send you
basically a script here, and we're going

1177
01:21:54.319 --> 01:22:00.319
to read an excerpt from her interview
on the Pierce Morgan Show. This is

1178
01:22:00.359 --> 01:22:04.079
Linda McMahon, Linda, yeah right, Linda Clairidge, Linda fuck off,

1179
01:22:04.439 --> 01:22:11.359
I'm looking for Linda brother and you
will play Linda okay, who goes by

1180
01:22:11.479 --> 01:22:14.960
Hogan in this transcript? Oh right, because that's her real last name,

1181
01:22:15.039 --> 01:22:21.359
right not? You imagine this poor
woman like she marries a guy named Bleya

1182
01:22:21.439 --> 01:22:25.279
for the rest of her life her
last name is actually according to the accord

1183
01:22:25.319 --> 01:22:29.960
of the fucking Salt Lake article,
it was fucking uh has he changed his

1184
01:22:30.039 --> 01:22:32.920
name to Hulk Hogan? Legally,
that's what he said. I don't know

1185
01:22:33.119 --> 01:22:36.039
that they said they changed an Did
you get it? All? Right?

1186
01:22:36.079 --> 01:22:43.399
Yeah? Go ahead? Push.
Yeah, you know, how would you

1187
01:22:43.479 --> 01:22:46.159
sum up marriage to the Hulk?
You know, well, we were married

1188
01:22:46.199 --> 01:22:48.720
for twenty four years, and you
know, it was great. I mean,

1189
01:22:48.800 --> 01:22:51.840
honestly, I'd never dreamed that we
would end up having the lifestyle that

1190
01:22:51.920 --> 01:22:55.600
we did. When I met him, he was in the Rocky three movie,

1191
01:22:55.760 --> 01:22:58.399
and I thought he was an actor
playing a wrestler, because in California

1192
01:22:58.439 --> 01:23:00.800
back then, wrestling wasn't even on
TV. And didn't know that what it

1193
01:23:01.079 --> 01:23:04.000
was. I was like, you
wrestle, Like, what is that?

1194
01:23:04.439 --> 01:23:09.239
So she's from California? Is that
what she's saying? Oh? I thought

1195
01:23:09.279 --> 01:23:12.680
she was from U or at least
she was living in California at this time,

1196
01:23:12.680 --> 01:23:15.760
because he does say he met her
in La Interesting. So, but

1197
01:23:16.119 --> 01:23:18.760
you know, soon after we started
going out, Yeah, I guess she

1198
01:23:18.800 --> 01:23:21.680
does have a California accent. We
got married and I went on the road

1199
01:23:21.720 --> 01:23:25.800
with him, and I learned.
I realized when all was involved, and

1200
01:23:25.880 --> 01:23:31.760
it was quite a job, Terry
shut up, especially working with the WWF.

1201
01:23:31.800 --> 01:23:34.640
That was a huge empire that you
know, became even bigger, and

1202
01:23:34.680 --> 01:23:38.079
it was rock and roll. It
was like being married to a rock star.

1203
01:23:38.399 --> 01:23:41.720
Yes, and of course, as
the book details, his behavior became

1204
01:23:41.800 --> 01:23:45.159
pretty similar to that of most rock
stars. I mean, let's be brutally

1205
01:23:45.199 --> 01:23:47.720
frank. You know, you had
to go through the infidelity, the line

1206
01:23:48.119 --> 01:23:51.720
control issues, and all the rest
of it, very similar to the kind

1207
01:23:51.760 --> 01:23:56.760
of stuff you read about you read
about the average rock star. I mean,

1208
01:23:56.840 --> 01:23:59.600
it's a very honest book you've written. Do you feel that the relationship

1209
01:23:59.640 --> 01:24:02.439
basically floundered the moment you heard he'd
been unfaithful to you? Yes, I

1210
01:24:02.560 --> 01:24:05.279
mean, honestly, I put my
heart and soul into the marriage. We

1211
01:24:06.239 --> 01:24:11.199
started out with, you know nothing. Really I met him, I didn't

1212
01:24:11.239 --> 01:24:14.000
know what he did. He wasn't
really wasn't famous. He had been in

1213
01:24:14.199 --> 01:24:15.279
he'd been in the Rocky three movie, and I thought that, wow,

1214
01:24:15.359 --> 01:24:18.880
that's exciting, you know. But
I saw a good person in him in

1215
01:24:18.920 --> 01:24:24.800
the beginning. And how you are
you're in a play? Oh that's great,

1216
01:24:25.279 --> 01:24:28.880
back to Hogan's mother. But I
saw a good person in him in

1217
01:24:28.920 --> 01:24:30.640
the beginning, and I still do
today. I just think that with the

1218
01:24:30.720 --> 01:24:33.399
men in those positions, it's like
you're seeing in the news now with the

1219
01:24:33.439 --> 01:24:38.079
politicians and all these celebrities, that
just happens to them so easily. It's

1220
01:24:38.199 --> 01:24:41.680
just it's there, it's in their
face for the first time that he had

1221
01:24:41.680 --> 01:24:45.000
an infidelity and admitted that. To
me. It was earth shattering to me,

1222
01:24:45.319 --> 01:24:47.600
Linda, it's been a it's a
fride talking to you so far.

1223
01:24:47.840 --> 01:24:53.560
The book does then take more surprising
turns. First of all, another rough

1224
01:24:54.039 --> 01:24:57.840
hit I think is just when your
daughter Brooke calls you at four am.

1225
01:24:58.079 --> 01:25:00.960
She's crying and she tells you that
one of a friends, Chris jan is

1226
01:25:01.039 --> 01:25:04.800
now going out with Terry, your
recently departed husband. How did that make

1227
01:25:04.880 --> 01:25:11.560
you feel? Well, that was
a blow. That was definitely a surprise.

1228
01:25:11.680 --> 01:25:14.600
You know, although the last year
that we had been in Miami,

1229
01:25:14.720 --> 01:25:17.119
we had brought we brought the VH
one show to Miami just for kind of

1230
01:25:17.199 --> 01:25:21.000
a fresh change. They'll do that, And the whole year that we were

1231
01:25:21.079 --> 01:25:25.840
down there, we were there really
primarily to do the show, and Brooke

1232
01:25:25.880 --> 01:25:28.680
had a music deal down there,
so one of the girls that worked at

1233
01:25:28.680 --> 01:25:30.279
the music place was her kind of
right hand girl, you know, would

1234
01:25:30.319 --> 01:25:33.319
travel with her sometimes when I couldn't
go, and her name was Christianne.

1235
01:25:33.880 --> 01:25:38.119
She would come over and spend the
night, even though she was like thirty

1236
01:25:38.159 --> 01:25:41.079
three or something at that time or
thirty two, a little older than Brook.

1237
01:25:41.720 --> 01:25:44.640
But they've got along great. It
was a good friend for Brooke.

1238
01:25:45.279 --> 01:25:47.159
So she'd come over and spend the
night, and I'd got up and bring

1239
01:25:47.239 --> 01:25:51.119
them hot chocolate and hears some cereal, and you know, tell stories with

1240
01:25:51.239 --> 01:25:56.279
them. And then I'd say,
all right, good night. I'd give

1241
01:25:56.319 --> 01:25:59.479
her a kiss good night. On
the lips, I'd give Brook a kiss

1242
01:25:59.520 --> 01:26:03.119
good night. It got pretty hot, you know. I did have a

1243
01:26:03.199 --> 01:26:09.319
weird sense. And then I went
and found a twenty one year old looks

1244
01:26:09.319 --> 01:26:12.359
like Hulk. So everything works out, you know. I did have a

1245
01:26:12.439 --> 01:26:15.600
weird sense that maybe something might be
going on. And I asked Brooke and

1246
01:26:15.680 --> 01:26:17.039
she said, Mom, no,
don't be crazy, Christianne. Are you

1247
01:26:17.159 --> 01:26:20.680
kidding? We're a good friend.
No way. I'm like, okay,

1248
01:26:21.159 --> 01:26:24.359
took it out of my head.
I'm like, what am I crazy?

1249
01:26:24.439 --> 01:26:27.319
You know? It must be crazy. Brooke called me and said, Mom,

1250
01:26:27.520 --> 01:26:30.119
you're never going to believe this.
You were right, You were right?

1251
01:26:30.199 --> 01:26:31.800
And I said what what? She
goes? Are you sitting down?

1252
01:26:32.479 --> 01:26:35.479
I was like, oh god,
what's wrong with you? And she just

1253
01:26:35.560 --> 01:26:40.520
said Dad was having an affair with
Christianne. You were right? And I

1254
01:26:40.600 --> 01:26:44.039
said, how do you know that? She said, I found out through

1255
01:26:44.079 --> 01:26:45.399
one of my friends, and it's
true. She gave me a letter.

1256
01:26:45.560 --> 01:26:49.319
She talks all about how she's sorry
and that this love affair they had couldn't

1257
01:26:49.319 --> 01:26:53.560
be denied, blah blah blah,
And I was like, are you kidding

1258
01:26:53.680 --> 01:26:56.600
me? And that was a final
kick in the teast for you. Well,

1259
01:26:56.640 --> 01:26:59.640
it was just, you know,
i'd been through it once already,

1260
01:27:00.039 --> 01:27:02.039
and you know once that I knew
once that I knew about. There were

1261
01:27:02.079 --> 01:27:04.640
times that I had already thought maybe
it was going on, but I wasn't

1262
01:27:04.680 --> 01:27:08.760
a stranger to that. But the
worst thing was dealing with poor Brook because

1263
01:27:08.800 --> 01:27:13.800
it was her friend to think that
her dad could be pounding pus sorry Pierce,

1264
01:27:15.000 --> 01:27:23.800
Yes for one thing, yes,
uh, doing that behind her back,

1265
01:27:24.640 --> 01:27:29.399
where she's confiding in his friend and
the friend is telling her dad everything.

1266
01:27:29.439 --> 01:27:30.199
And then you know, me and
Brooke would go on the road with

1267
01:27:30.279 --> 01:27:33.720
this girl and the girl would go
back and tell everything to Terry. It

1268
01:27:33.800 --> 01:27:39.359
was just almost like double roll up, double trial. Yes, you know,

1269
01:27:39.520 --> 01:27:41.920
living with the enemy, you know, yes, yes, yes,

1270
01:27:42.680 --> 01:27:49.479
you don't know what to believe anymore? Now. I thought I should have

1271
01:27:49.560 --> 01:28:08.079
saw that coming He's Alapsed fan Wrestling
podcast with Jack and jo It's the Lapsed

1272
01:28:08.159 --> 01:28:11.840
Fan Wrestling Podcast. And so Brooke
was very upset, and you know,

1273
01:28:12.840 --> 01:28:15.479
but the point is, Oh,
I'm sorry, boss, I just lost

1274
01:28:15.520 --> 01:28:19.000
my place. I don't know that
happened. We'll get back there. So

1275
01:28:19.119 --> 01:28:25.079
one of the girls that weren't he
fucked her in the pussy. You don't

1276
01:28:25.079 --> 01:28:27.359
know what to believe anymore. And
so Brooke was very upset, and you

1277
01:28:27.439 --> 01:28:30.560
know, but the point is is
that she had a contract with vh one

1278
01:28:30.880 --> 01:28:32.760
as well as did her dad,
and they had to try to make amends

1279
01:28:32.800 --> 01:28:36.039
and they make things work. So
in her way, maybe it was just

1280
01:28:36.159 --> 01:28:40.359
easier for her just to get Look, you know, mom can't deal with

1281
01:28:40.439 --> 01:28:42.760
you right now. I've got to
deal with my dad and do my show.

1282
01:28:43.319 --> 01:28:45.239
So we really didn't have a lot
of communication that first year, and

1283
01:28:45.319 --> 01:28:48.720
I just I let her go.
I let her find her space because I

1284
01:28:48.880 --> 01:28:51.560
felt that she has to get through
this her way, and as far as

1285
01:28:51.640 --> 01:28:55.359
mine, it was almost kind of
like I knew it. I mean it

1286
01:28:55.520 --> 01:28:57.840
was kind of like, Okay,
I knew that I wasn't crazy. You

1287
01:28:57.920 --> 01:29:00.920
know this, this might be wrong
of me, but the bit in the

1288
01:29:00.960 --> 01:29:04.600
book that I read is a bit
like one of those rocky films where you're

1289
01:29:04.640 --> 01:29:08.760
just willing to You're just willing you
to get off the ropes and do a

1290
01:29:08.840 --> 01:29:12.760
bout of touching. And I can't
think of any any better way, really,

1291
01:29:13.479 --> 01:29:15.800
And I know this might be wrong
of me to think this, that

1292
01:29:15.960 --> 01:29:19.560
you begin that you begin dating a
nineteen year old lad called Charlie. Let's

1293
01:29:19.600 --> 01:29:21.920
get to the point of the interview. Linda, you're fucking a nineteen year

1294
01:29:21.920 --> 01:29:26.199
old, are you not? Bet
this is what he looks like. Yes,

1295
01:29:26.560 --> 01:29:30.039
I but a part of you was
thinking exactly that, chuckmate, right,

1296
01:29:30.439 --> 01:29:31.640
Yes, I mean, you know, girls do all different kinds of

1297
01:29:31.680 --> 01:29:35.000
things when they're man wrongs them,
you know. I mean they'll throw eggs

1298
01:29:35.039 --> 01:29:38.920
at their house or teepee your house
or whatever. You know. Sometimes I

1299
01:29:39.560 --> 01:29:43.720
polish a nineteen year old. Sometimes
they'll poper rating. I mean, he's

1300
01:29:43.800 --> 01:29:46.239
like a young Hulk, isn't he. Yeah, well he is. Actually

1301
01:29:46.520 --> 01:29:51.159
we started out being friends until we
fucked, of course, I was.

1302
01:29:51.399 --> 01:29:56.479
It was the weekend before they took
the jail, my sagging pussy. The

1303
01:29:56.520 --> 01:30:01.560
week before Nick went to jail,
I was showing him my son kissed twat

1304
01:30:03.119 --> 01:30:05.640
and I was just walking on the
beach with Nick and saw this guy.

1305
01:30:05.720 --> 01:30:10.479
I said, God, that guy
is hot. You know, it's been

1306
01:30:10.600 --> 01:30:13.920
nine months since I've filed for divorce. I've been pretty alone, and maybe

1307
01:30:13.960 --> 01:30:16.760
he'd just be kind of fun to
have over and have for some tea or

1308
01:30:16.880 --> 01:30:24.880
diet coke or that's what it says. Did you find being called a cougar

1309
01:30:24.880 --> 01:30:29.640
in the tabloids? Did you quite
like it? Charlie was really smooth too.

1310
01:30:29.720 --> 01:30:33.119
He told me he was twenty three. Okay, so I was then

1311
01:30:33.199 --> 01:30:36.600
when I found out. Then,
when I found out he was nineteen,

1312
01:30:36.640 --> 01:30:41.760
I said, okay, as long
as you're nineteen not seventeen, we're good.

1313
01:30:41.800 --> 01:30:45.159
You're legal. How does Terry deal
with Charlie? He doesn't really like

1314
01:30:45.239 --> 01:30:50.159
the idea. Of course, of
course, will he be back soon?

1315
01:30:51.640 --> 01:30:55.399
And to this day, Terry still
don't speak to me. We can only

1316
01:30:55.439 --> 01:31:00.279
talk to each other. I'm a
lovely day. We can only talk to

1317
01:31:00.359 --> 01:31:02.840
each other through our lawyers. And
I don't know why. I'm sure that

1318
01:31:02.960 --> 01:31:04.920
one of the reasons is that he
doesn't want to have to be where we

1319
01:31:05.000 --> 01:31:08.399
get chummy. And I'm like,
so, tell me, why did you

1320
01:31:08.479 --> 01:31:12.079
really go with Christian how was that? How long were you doing that?

1321
01:31:12.720 --> 01:31:15.479
I'm not going to do that to
him. I don't even care at this

1322
01:31:15.560 --> 01:31:16.960
point. I'm over it. I
have moved on and I have a great

1323
01:31:18.760 --> 01:31:24.079
I'm like so over it, trying
my best to do Nikki and Bree's mother

1324
01:31:24.159 --> 01:31:28.439
here, and I have a great
life now. Maybe if she says I'm

1325
01:31:28.479 --> 01:31:30.680
looking, if she says the word
feel, to get that accent, I

1326
01:31:30.760 --> 01:31:36.159
have to pronounce it as if it's
spelled p h, I L file Phil

1327
01:31:36.520 --> 01:31:43.359
Phil I full. I just feel
I just fell in California, really full

1328
01:31:44.159 --> 01:31:47.319
full. I'm always falling full,
and I have a great life now.

1329
01:31:47.720 --> 01:31:50.399
I knew I wasn't happy before.
And I think that's one of the messages

1330
01:31:50.439 --> 01:31:54.279
that I bring out to the book
is that Richard poorr, you know there

1331
01:31:54.319 --> 01:31:58.560
are so many women out there that
just that have this same scenario as I

1332
01:31:58.760 --> 01:32:01.199
do, that have kids that have
been married a long time, that have

1333
01:32:01.359 --> 01:32:04.840
to stop and realize the carpet has
been pulled out from under their life and

1334
01:32:05.359 --> 01:32:09.760
they're fifty years old and now they
have to start over. But does the

1335
01:32:09.800 --> 01:32:13.960
coupet match the drapes? I think, good on you. You know you're

1336
01:32:14.119 --> 01:32:16.039
entitled after all, you went through, you're in touched a bit of happiness.

1337
01:32:16.119 --> 01:32:18.840
And if it comes in the form
of Charlie Hill, how old is

1338
01:32:18.880 --> 01:32:21.760
he now? Not that that's the
whole point of the interview, but how

1339
01:32:21.840 --> 01:32:26.880
old he's going to be? Twenty
three? It's a twenty nine year age

1340
01:32:26.960 --> 01:32:30.479
gap. You know, people call
and label me a cougar or melf or

1341
01:32:30.520 --> 01:32:32.239
whatever, and geez, I mean, you know, we'll say what you

1342
01:32:32.359 --> 01:32:34.640
have to say. I don't know. That's just part of it. But

1343
01:32:34.720 --> 01:32:39.119
I don't see myself as that.
Are the kids okay with it? My

1344
01:32:39.239 --> 01:32:43.119
kids love him. He's just a
good person. It has ended happily.

1345
01:32:43.479 --> 01:32:46.439
I really enjoyed meeting you. Thanks
tears. We reached out to Hulk Hogan

1346
01:32:46.479 --> 01:32:50.199
for comment on Linda's claims about the
car accident and what she says were multiple

1347
01:32:50.239 --> 01:32:58.319
infidelities done in their marriage. He
declined to comment in a in his in

1348
01:32:58.439 --> 01:33:04.000
his books book He very much comment
comments my life out he says, and

1349
01:33:04.119 --> 01:33:11.119
I quote because this is related to
Rocky three Well, they said Rocky a

1350
01:33:11.159 --> 01:33:14.159
bunch of times. I love that, you know, you get sucking,

1351
01:33:14.199 --> 01:33:18.039
that, you know you get down. You're talking about it counts, he

1352
01:33:18.079 --> 01:33:20.800
said. Rocky let's go bring him
in. Guys, let's set it up.

1353
01:33:21.479 --> 01:33:25.119
He said, Rocky, We're good. They referenced Rocky three times.

1354
01:33:25.239 --> 01:33:30.119
We're good. This is totally fits
love it and uh with a suspicion to

1355
01:33:30.159 --> 01:33:33.520
scratch that. Her belief that I
was cheating was like a whole way down

1356
01:33:33.560 --> 01:33:36.319
in the hold of the ship.
Brother, No matter what I said or

1357
01:33:36.680 --> 01:33:41.920
did or said try to patch that
hole, the water cap would keep breaking

1358
01:33:42.000 --> 01:33:45.520
through. As far as I'm concerned
until our marriage was completely over. I

1359
01:33:45.680 --> 01:33:55.159
never cheated on Linda. He would
later go on to clarify that Terry Blay,

1360
01:33:55.199 --> 01:33:59.359
I never cheated on exactly. He
couldn't comment on the actions of hul

1361
01:33:59.399 --> 01:34:00.920
Cove. Yeah, I did not
have sex with that woman. I just

1362
01:34:01.079 --> 01:34:04.960
blew her throwed out your brother looks
you know, Terry Bullay didn't have sex

1363
01:34:05.000 --> 01:34:09.399
with that woman. Hulk Cogan had
sex with that woman. Brother, I

1364
01:34:09.600 --> 01:34:14.560
just you know, I was just
there for the ride. Terry Bullaya Bruce

1365
01:34:14.600 --> 01:34:18.359
to esophagus difference, Terry Blaa didn't
even have a heart on during that during

1366
01:34:18.439 --> 01:34:21.479
that brother, So you know Hulk
Cogan had a heart on. Brother.

1367
01:34:23.840 --> 01:34:30.760
Fuck Yeah, So Hulk Hogan and
Uh, Rocky three now, of course,

1368
01:34:32.399 --> 01:34:38.960
there is another w w EE Hall
of Famer who was in this movie

1369
01:34:40.319 --> 01:34:45.079
who goes. As we mentioned before, Comine evented the first WrestleMania with Hulk

1370
01:34:45.119 --> 01:34:49.319
Cogan against Roddy Piper and Old Clubber
Lang. Huh old club that's right,

1371
01:34:49.840 --> 01:34:57.239
and also went on to WrestleMania too
to have a boxing match with Rowdy Roddy

1372
01:34:57.279 --> 01:35:00.720
Piper. Mister T all right,
he was Uh, he was born in

1373
01:35:00.800 --> 01:35:03.880
Chicago. A little history on mister
T before we get into it. Born

1374
01:35:03.920 --> 01:35:10.600
in Chicago with the name Lawrence Terreau. Changed his name several times before landing

1375
01:35:10.640 --> 01:35:14.600
on mister T. You know why
No, Uh, the reason being,

1376
01:35:14.640 --> 01:35:16.439
and it's pretty intense. Actually,
he would watch his father, uncle,

1377
01:35:16.560 --> 01:35:24.399
other black people and friends and relatives
of whatever being called boy and getting no

1378
01:35:24.560 --> 01:35:30.039
respect. So he literally changed his
name to mister T so people would be

1379
01:35:30.079 --> 01:35:33.720
forced to call him mister right out
of the gate. And fucking badass.

1380
01:35:34.039 --> 01:35:38.560
I thought it was because he loved
his mother. He does love his mother,

1381
01:35:38.600 --> 01:35:41.000
and he does talk about his mother
a lot. But what I understand

1382
01:35:42.399 --> 01:35:45.720
definitely a crazy ass Christian. Uh, it's funny they call it. He's

1383
01:35:45.720 --> 01:35:49.159
called a born again Christian, but
it seems like he was always Christian,

1384
01:35:49.239 --> 01:35:51.760
So I don't know when he was
born again? Oh really, yeah,

1385
01:35:51.760 --> 01:35:57.039
because he fucking was. He've been
talking about Christianity forever. I always talk

1386
01:35:57.079 --> 01:36:00.600
about him. Maybe he's born again
edge, maybe that's that could be,

1387
01:36:00.640 --> 01:36:05.680
And maybe he's a born again brood, born again gangrel. In high school,

1388
01:36:05.720 --> 01:36:10.680
he played football, studied martial arts, and was a city wide wait

1389
01:36:10.800 --> 01:36:15.319
for it, wrestling champion. He
was a wrestling champion in high school,

1390
01:36:15.800 --> 01:36:18.960
flunked out of college, served in
the military for a little while, failed

1391
01:36:18.960 --> 01:36:24.920
to try out for the Green Bay
Packers. Ultimately became the front door front

1392
01:36:24.960 --> 01:36:28.840
door security man at a club called
Dingbats. He doesn't like being called a

1393
01:36:28.880 --> 01:36:34.319
bouncer. He is like head of
front door security or whatever in the Rush

1394
01:36:34.479 --> 01:36:43.279
Street section of Chicago, And apparently
before he was the official outdoor front door

1395
01:36:43.359 --> 01:36:48.319
security guard, he went to the
club to socialize first. When he wasn't

1396
01:36:48.359 --> 01:36:54.760
working as a security guard at Northwestern
Memorial Hospital in Chicago, mister T spent

1397
01:36:54.880 --> 01:37:00.399
his time at a nightclub called Dingbats. Former Dingbats managers Calvin high Collins and

1398
01:37:00.520 --> 01:37:04.359
John Betoy remember the natalie attired mister
T. He looked like a big buffoon,

1399
01:37:05.039 --> 01:37:12.920
the wall, the derby hat,
the bell bottoms. He came down

1400
01:37:13.000 --> 01:37:15.960
the first time, didn't have money
to get into Scilly, and he stood

1401
01:37:15.960 --> 01:37:19.880
around for a while bothering the ladies
that were coming in the door. We

1402
01:37:20.000 --> 01:37:24.840
let him go and use the bathroom. About an hour later, we realized

1403
01:37:24.960 --> 01:37:27.079
this guy didn't come back out of
the club after we let him use the

1404
01:37:27.079 --> 01:37:29.840
bathroom, and we noticed he was
on the dance floor. The Toy and

1405
01:37:29.960 --> 01:37:32.960
Hollins knew what they had to do. They had to throw mister T out.

1406
01:37:33.920 --> 01:37:38.800
Later that evening, a scuffle broke
out near the club's entrance. Mister

1407
01:37:38.920 --> 01:37:43.039
T was still hanging around outside the
club. He came to the assistance of

1408
01:37:43.119 --> 01:37:46.720
Hollins and Btoy, so we threw
the guy out and at that point we

1409
01:37:46.840 --> 01:37:50.000
let him come in and from that
day on he started coming out of here

1410
01:37:50.079 --> 01:37:55.199
every day every day. Hollins and
Betoy quickly took a liking to the fast

1411
01:37:55.279 --> 01:37:59.560
talking, charismatic twenty six year old. They hired mister T as a bouncer,

1412
01:38:00.279 --> 01:38:03.039
no pay, but all the food
he could eat. That's all you

1413
01:38:03.159 --> 01:38:09.279
need, all you need is a
fucking couple of steaks, And told you

1414
01:38:09.359 --> 01:38:12.760
it's all about food, all about
food, and in fact, the owner

1415
01:38:12.800 --> 01:38:14.840
of the club, so these guys, those two guys were the managers,

1416
01:38:14.920 --> 01:38:18.920
and the owner of the club was
confused because he kept seeing these tabs of

1417
01:38:19.199 --> 01:38:24.159
multiple steaks that were being consumed by
the unknown mister D. He had no

1418
01:38:24.279 --> 01:38:28.399
fucking idea like what was going on, Like why are these where? Why

1419
01:38:28.439 --> 01:38:35.720
are we losing steaks? Yes?
Uh, look, I mean it's very

1420
01:38:35.760 --> 01:38:40.640
simple. It's about food. That's
exactly about food is fucking funny when it

1421
01:38:40.680 --> 01:38:44.079
comes to a bunch of cloth,
food is fucking funny. That's funny.

1422
01:38:44.239 --> 01:38:47.560
Food is funny in general, but
especially with a bunch of like uncontrollable ogres

1423
01:38:47.640 --> 01:38:53.479
like these clothes. It's like like
I called him a buffoon, like that

1424
01:38:54.000 --> 01:38:59.439
called mister T a buffoon tremendous so
uh you know. And it was actually

1425
01:38:59.520 --> 01:39:03.159
during this time at at this club, at Dingbats, Ding Bats, fucking

1426
01:39:03.800 --> 01:39:11.159
Christ uh, he started really manufacturing
the mister T gimmick. Uh. Basically

1427
01:39:11.319 --> 01:39:15.479
what he would do, like like
the gold, he would gather the gold

1428
01:39:15.560 --> 01:39:17.720
and jewels of people who left them
behind in the club. Really, yep,

1429
01:39:17.800 --> 01:39:21.640
that's how we kind of you know, that's how he uh uh uh

1430
01:39:24.319 --> 01:39:29.319
uh kind of started wearing these chains
and these rings and whatever. But you

1431
01:39:29.399 --> 01:39:31.079
know, this is a this is
a wrestling story. So of course someone

1432
01:39:31.119 --> 01:39:36.640
else has a different tale, and
that would be Bishop Don Magic wand former

1433
01:39:36.720 --> 01:39:42.319
pimp. You know, most of
this year that mister T had came from

1434
01:39:42.399 --> 01:39:45.680
me. You know the ring that
mister T wore and I gave it to

1435
01:39:45.760 --> 01:39:48.880
him as a gift, and he
had a mixed style and another thing.

1436
01:39:48.960 --> 01:39:51.680
I sold that one to him.
You know, Mitter T, you owe

1437
01:39:51.720 --> 01:39:55.439
me a few more dollars if you
see this interview. Of course you do.

1438
01:39:55.680 --> 01:39:59.560
Of course he does. So there's
just as many authors of mister T's

1439
01:39:59.600 --> 01:40:08.159
gold, people who got hul Covid
connected with exactly so his reputae actually he

1440
01:40:08.319 --> 01:40:12.359
he he had a notable repute.
I don't know how much you know about

1441
01:40:12.359 --> 01:40:15.680
mister T. But I didn't know
too much about his preow Hollywood stuff,

1442
01:40:15.680 --> 01:40:20.560
but he probably he gained a huge
reputation at in this club and at this

1443
01:40:20.640 --> 01:40:26.279
area in Chicago by not being afraid
of anything. And I guess at one

1444
01:40:26.319 --> 01:40:29.600
point he even got a gun pointed
at his face and he was like not

1445
01:40:29.800 --> 01:40:31.359
scared of it, and it was
like, you know, you're gonna go

1446
01:40:31.439 --> 01:40:38.560
down to the guy who was doing
him. So eventually his the Mister T

1447
01:40:38.800 --> 01:40:44.079
legend grew so big that he would
uh you know. He became the bodyguard

1448
01:40:44.159 --> 01:40:48.399
for a number of top celebrities,
athletics, athletics athletes, and other people.

1449
01:40:49.439 --> 01:40:55.720
His daily rate averaged three thousand to
ten thousand dollars a night. Wow,

1450
01:40:56.359 --> 01:41:00.520
that makes Payday look right. And
this is just for doing literally doing

1451
01:41:00.640 --> 01:41:05.640
you know nothing, watching people and
whatever. So the story behind mister T

1452
01:41:05.800 --> 01:41:12.319
getting cast in the movie is that
he was in an NBC special called World's

1453
01:41:12.319 --> 01:41:15.560
Toughest Bouncer. So, if I'm
not mistaken, what happened was he was

1454
01:41:15.720 --> 01:41:24.760
the bodyguard for Muhammad Ali during a
fight and he got noticed because of that

1455
01:41:24.840 --> 01:41:28.840
because no, it was shit,
I don't remember who it was. It

1456
01:41:28.960 --> 01:41:32.359
was another fighter who doesn't who's not
a good talker, and he got noticed

1457
01:41:32.359 --> 01:41:35.319
because the cameras turned on the fighter, and because he didn't talk, mister

1458
01:41:35.399 --> 01:41:39.119
Tis talked for him. He basically
was his manager in a way, you

1459
01:41:39.159 --> 01:41:42.000
know, his wrestling manager. And
he got a lot of notice for that

1460
01:41:42.119 --> 01:41:46.640
and also for being Muhammad Ali's bodyguard. And so NBC cast him in a

1461
01:41:46.760 --> 01:41:53.319
special called the World's Toughest Bouncers,
which would then morphed into a short lived

1462
01:41:53.399 --> 01:42:00.159
reality series in nineteen eighty one called
The Games People Play and starring h as

1463
01:42:00.199 --> 01:42:09.079
a toddler. And this is from
the Den of Geek website. Having earned

1464
01:42:09.119 --> 01:42:13.760
a legendary reputation working as the doorman
at Dingbat's Disco in Chicago, where he

1465
01:42:13.840 --> 01:42:17.760
had over two hundred fights quote unquote, he was approached by NBC to take

1466
01:42:17.800 --> 01:42:23.479
part in a TV show called America's
Toughest Bouncer. Much like The Great British

1467
01:42:23.560 --> 01:42:26.600
Bakeoff, this was a competition that
pitted people from all over the country against

1468
01:42:26.640 --> 01:42:30.199
each other in a series of challenges
related to their chosen field. Unlike Bakeoff,

1469
01:42:30.239 --> 01:42:34.359
however, one of these challenges involved
throwing a one hundred and fifteen pound

1470
01:42:34.439 --> 01:42:40.880
stunt man as far as they could. And then there's a caption although it's

1471
01:42:40.960 --> 01:42:45.000
fun to picture this happening to Mary
Barry, so, I guess the host

1472
01:42:45.039 --> 01:42:46.279
of Bakeoff. I don't know.
I've never learned. Yeah, guy,

1473
01:42:46.319 --> 01:42:48.279
that's a little forced. I don't
know much about that. I don't know.

1474
01:42:48.560 --> 01:42:51.479
I know it happens every year and
it's a it's very popular, But

1475
01:42:51.479 --> 01:42:55.960
I've never watched it. The toughest
event in the show was called the Blast,

1476
01:42:56.000 --> 01:42:59.119
where each bouncer would jump from behind
a bar, run around a group

1477
01:42:59.159 --> 01:43:00.960
of tables filled with people, jump
over a rail, and then run through

1478
01:43:00.960 --> 01:43:04.520
a four inch wooden door, after
which he must ring a bell to stop

1479
01:43:04.560 --> 01:43:10.279
the clock. Now, how do
you think mister T trained for this protein

1480
01:43:10.359 --> 01:43:13.760
shake and cardio work out before hitting
the weights? How about a Rocky style

1481
01:43:13.840 --> 01:43:16.760
montage of meat punching, tire dragging, and running up some steps. Neither

1482
01:43:16.880 --> 01:43:20.640
comes close. What mister T actually
decided to do was return to the ghetto,

1483
01:43:20.720 --> 01:43:24.600
find a bunch of old, condemned
buildings, and physically reduce him to

1484
01:43:24.640 --> 01:43:28.600
rubble by smashing through the doors and
walls. As he explains, I heard

1485
01:43:28.640 --> 01:43:31.279
the neighbor telling the police that some
crazy man comes in here every afternoon to

1486
01:43:31.319 --> 01:43:34.840
find a different building than once inside, starts running through the doors and the

1487
01:43:34.920 --> 01:43:42.399
walls. I trained like that for
two weeks, one on the south side

1488
01:43:42.920 --> 01:43:45.640
and one week on the west side, tearing down buildings. Needless to say,

1489
01:43:45.720 --> 01:43:50.720
the regime worked, and mister T
resoundingly won America's Toughest Bouncer twice,

1490
01:43:51.279 --> 01:43:56.840
making such an impression on one viewer
sliced alone that he was offered the word

1491
01:43:57.159 --> 01:44:00.760
ubber laying in Rocky exactly. He
saw him toss this. I believe T

1492
01:44:01.880 --> 01:44:06.600
want through a guy that that that
that that stunt man if I think he

1493
01:44:06.760 --> 01:44:14.119
threw the guy supposedly seventeen feet.
Wow, that's incredible. You see,

1494
01:44:14.119 --> 01:44:20.520
I always heard that stallone's casting director
picked up a copy of Inside Bodyguarding magazine.

1495
01:44:21.399 --> 01:44:27.359
I thought it was Body Body Bodyguarding
Illustrated. Now pro pro Body Guarding

1496
01:44:27.439 --> 01:44:32.760
Illustrated. That's correct. PBI got
the editor, the editor on the phone,

1497
01:44:32.800 --> 01:44:36.760
and the rest is history. I
always heard it was some other bodyguard

1498
01:44:36.800 --> 01:44:43.000
who Slide worked with actually on a
previous project. I know there's one bodyguard.

1499
01:44:44.960 --> 01:44:46.800
They're all cardies. I mean,
you heard that in the pimps and

1500
01:44:46.880 --> 01:44:53.159
the you know, the people talking
about taking credit for mister T's uh ice

1501
01:44:53.680 --> 01:44:58.039
such as it was. Uh you
know, mister T was very very well

1502
01:44:58.159 --> 01:45:00.439
prepared for professional wrestling as much,
which is as terrified as he ended up

1503
01:45:00.439 --> 01:45:03.680
being that he was exposed. But
that's it. I mean, you know,

1504
01:45:03.800 --> 01:45:06.520
wrestlers built up a tough guy image
and built spend the rest of their

1505
01:45:06.600 --> 01:45:11.039
lives terrified that someone's going to expose
them, and mister t was pretty much

1506
01:45:11.079 --> 01:45:15.800
the same thing. Yeah, exactly. He totally was like all personality,

1507
01:45:15.880 --> 01:45:19.880
you know, like for for for
wrestling. I mean, I don't doubt

1508
01:45:19.960 --> 01:45:25.800
his toughness in these in these real
situations, but in wrestling all bite,

1509
01:45:25.880 --> 01:45:30.079
no bark, and that can win
you over in wrestling without doubt. So

1510
01:45:30.079 --> 01:45:36.079
one mean that was interesting. Uh. There was supposedly a significant amount during

1511
01:45:36.119 --> 01:45:41.680
one of these I don't remember which
competition it was, which toughest bouncer competition

1512
01:45:41.760 --> 01:45:44.119
it was, but one of the
ones that he won maybe both for all

1513
01:45:44.199 --> 01:45:47.000
I know, Uh, there was
a lot of racial tension and people were

1514
01:45:47.039 --> 01:45:53.199
booing him because of his skin color, and uh yeah, it was like

1515
01:45:53.359 --> 01:45:56.720
it was pretty suppose it's pretty intense
because people were like, here's this guy

1516
01:45:56.800 --> 01:45:59.960
doing all these crazy things and people
are fucking booing him because he's black,

1517
01:46:00.359 --> 01:46:04.319
Like it's fucked up, Harlem heat
right seriously. Uh, And like I

1518
01:46:04.359 --> 01:46:09.079
said, he got the eye of
casting director Ronda Young, who was working

1519
01:46:09.159 --> 01:46:15.920
on Rocky three at the time.
The casting team and I have a piece

1520
01:46:15.000 --> 01:46:16.880
with stallone. He talks about a
little bit more. He actually wanted.

1521
01:46:16.880 --> 01:46:20.159
They were trying to go with a
real boxer, and they were considering Joe

1522
01:46:20.239 --> 01:46:26.760
Frasier Ernie Shavers for the role of
lying, but they both failed miserably.

1523
01:46:27.520 --> 01:46:31.359
Tea when he came in fully prepared, ready to go, he was brilliant

1524
01:46:31.479 --> 01:46:38.840
on the screen test. He was
exactly what you wanted, and he had

1525
01:46:39.000 --> 01:46:44.520
memorized everything. He knew how to
be angry. He knew how to put

1526
01:46:44.600 --> 01:46:50.079
the the fear into somebody, and
then he knew how he actually had I

1527
01:46:50.159 --> 01:46:54.600
would say, like an instinct to
act. The night that he got the

1528
01:46:54.680 --> 01:46:59.319
party, got the call at dig
Bats, he hit, picked up the

1529
01:46:59.359 --> 01:47:01.760
phone hits, which was our intercom
system, and said, drinks are on

1530
01:47:02.079 --> 01:47:06.920
the house? Which on whose house? Was on my house? That's the

1531
01:47:06.960 --> 01:47:13.279
owner of Dingbats. That's tremendous.
Was that Ronda Young great gread to hear

1532
01:47:13.319 --> 01:47:15.680
her voice? Yeah, well that's
cool to know. Yeah. Uh.

1533
01:47:16.239 --> 01:47:21.920
Te trained crazy hard for the role. Personality though, like his his his

1534
01:47:23.479 --> 01:47:28.680
inflection, everything all him. And
as I said, Stallone was a as

1535
01:47:28.680 --> 01:47:31.800
we talked about, Slone was a
nut for realistic fighting. Another fact that

1536
01:47:31.920 --> 01:47:38.039
Hogan did not exaggerate about. Uh. He wanted Tea to throw heavy punches

1537
01:47:38.239 --> 01:47:42.439
right at his head. Slide did
and he would actually try to block them,

1538
01:47:42.520 --> 01:47:45.600
like and apparently, you know,
Sly says, he gets some pretty

1539
01:47:45.680 --> 01:47:49.920
nasty shots on on him on the
chin and stuff like that, so not

1540
01:47:50.000 --> 01:47:55.560
too surprised, uh. Mister T
has also gone on to say that that

1541
01:47:55.920 --> 01:48:00.520
Clipper Lank is his favorite role that
he's ever played because he was he really

1542
01:48:00.560 --> 01:48:06.159
related. They had a similar background, similar story and stuff, so he

1543
01:48:06.239 --> 01:48:10.560
really liked that, he always says, and he talks about how the role

1544
01:48:10.640 --> 01:48:13.800
to him wasn't a bad guy,
it was he was misunderstood. He was

1545
01:48:13.840 --> 01:48:16.760
a guy just hungry, you know, he was trying to get something done.

1546
01:48:18.760 --> 01:48:25.199
After the movie's release, an article
came out in one of T's hometown

1547
01:48:25.279 --> 01:48:28.760
newspapers, the Chicago Sun Times,
and it goes like this, mister T

1548
01:48:29.039 --> 01:48:30.920
wants all his friends out there to
know he hasn't gone Hollywood on them.

1549
01:48:31.399 --> 01:48:34.640
He's still the same sweet, lovable
guy he was when he was a bodyguard

1550
01:48:34.680 --> 01:48:40.479
for Leon Spinks and a bouncer at
Disco Tech's. I don't like that phony

1551
01:48:40.520 --> 01:48:43.479
Hollywood stuff, says mister T.
I don't like phony people making a big

1552
01:48:43.520 --> 01:48:45.800
thing out of me. If I
wasn't in the movie, they wouldn't even

1553
01:48:45.800 --> 01:48:51.039
look at me, they'd say,
who is this wild Rachel slur with the

1554
01:48:51.079 --> 01:48:54.840
haircut. It's right there in print. Oh, it's right there in print,

1555
01:48:55.159 --> 01:48:57.880
right there. Oh it's as you
know. And he said it's non

1556
01:48:57.960 --> 01:49:00.560
Tea said it too. T said
it about himself. No, no,

1557
01:49:00.640 --> 01:49:02.359
I understand that. But it's not
like asterisk. Oh no, no,

1558
01:49:02.560 --> 01:49:06.000
no, no, it is.
It is there full word in Chicago.

1559
01:49:06.199 --> 01:49:10.560
If he wants to avoid phony people, he certainly took an interesting career path

1560
01:49:10.600 --> 01:49:13.520
after this. Yeah, I'm right, seriously, it is not that mister

1561
01:49:13.560 --> 01:49:15.840
T isn't enjoying his celebrity status,
which is that it's which is at its

1562
01:49:15.880 --> 01:49:20.479
heights thing to his role in Sylvester
Stallone's latest ring late. Thanks to his

1563
01:49:20.640 --> 01:49:26.479
role as Sylvester Stallone's latest ring antagonist
in Rocky three, he might even be

1564
01:49:26.560 --> 01:49:30.880
available for further movie appearances should the
right parts come along. But let nobody

1565
01:49:30.000 --> 01:49:35.079
think he has changed lifestyles or careers. I'm a bodyguard, not an actor.

1566
01:49:35.079 --> 01:49:39.640
As mister T says in Bodyguarding,
I feel myself worth. I get

1567
01:49:39.680 --> 01:49:44.359
satisfaction out of saving someone's life.
I feel like a doctor. I've never

1568
01:49:44.439 --> 01:49:46.239
been to an acting school, and
I'm not going, says mister T.

1569
01:49:46.399 --> 01:49:49.239
So Lester said, you don't rehearse, mister T, you turn him loose.

1570
01:49:50.039 --> 01:49:53.399
I think I'm talented enough to play
any part. I can play a

1571
01:49:53.439 --> 01:49:57.760
Hamlet. Just dress me in a
wig, That's what he says. Uh.

1572
01:49:57.880 --> 01:50:00.760
Mister T bumped into Stallons into the
salone at ringside of Ali's fight with

1573
01:50:00.880 --> 01:50:04.359
Larry Holmes and told him the casting
director for Rocky three had been trying to

1574
01:50:04.359 --> 01:50:09.720
reach him. Mister T beat some
twelve hundred contenders for the part. Joe

1575
01:50:09.760 --> 01:50:13.239
Fraser, k and Norton, Ernie
Shaver's Jim Brown, Fred Williamson were among

1576
01:50:13.319 --> 01:50:16.640
those considered by memorizing memorized as we
said before, seven pages of the script

1577
01:50:16.720 --> 01:50:20.880
and doing an impressive improvisation. Asked
to explain why he wanted the part,

1578
01:50:20.960 --> 01:50:25.600
mister T build up a towering rage, saying, among other things, that

1579
01:50:25.640 --> 01:50:29.800
he wanted to buy a home for
his mother so badly that it burned like

1580
01:50:29.880 --> 01:50:32.199
hot coals in his stomach. There
it is cut, Stallone said. When

1581
01:50:32.239 --> 01:50:36.920
he had finished perfect, I told
him I've been playing that character all my

1582
01:50:38.399 --> 01:50:43.119
life, said mister T. So
quite a quite a tale for mister T

1583
01:50:43.479 --> 01:50:50.079
as well, coming up here,
I mean just as important to Julkamania as

1584
01:50:50.159 --> 01:50:55.800
Hulk Hogan in terms of the absolutely
year, absolutely, no question. And

1585
01:50:56.000 --> 01:50:59.880
it is so amazing that that the
two of them would combine, you know,

1586
01:51:00.039 --> 01:51:03.560
and and and T was only at
the very beginning of his of his

1587
01:51:03.680 --> 01:51:06.840
brush with fan because you know,
eighteen was was not you know, it

1588
01:51:06.920 --> 01:51:13.239
was on its way and that would
really claim him and cereal boxes and all

1589
01:51:13.319 --> 01:51:15.560
that kind of shit. I used
to look at and I had the mister

1590
01:51:15.640 --> 01:51:17.680
T Cereal Did you ever get that? Well, you might have been too

1591
01:51:17.720 --> 01:51:20.279
young for it. Yeah, I
was like, right, you know,

1592
01:51:20.279 --> 01:51:24.199
because he would have been still big
in like, you know, if he's

1593
01:51:24.239 --> 01:51:27.880
eighty five, I'm four. And
I mean, mister T sugar cereal,

1594
01:51:28.000 --> 01:51:30.479
no question about it. Absolutely,
you know. I wonder if anyone's ever

1595
01:51:30.520 --> 01:51:33.760
asked Vince, like, when do
you remember seeing Rocky three and like,

1596
01:51:34.119 --> 01:51:39.039
did the hull Cogan mister T alliance
occur to you even then? Or no,

1597
01:51:39.119 --> 01:51:42.439
I discovered mister T. Yeah right, Exactly. People don't understand is

1598
01:51:42.479 --> 01:51:44.720
that mister T wasn't really you know, yes, he did the thing and

1599
01:51:45.199 --> 01:51:47.319
in Rocky three, and and I
guess hul Cogan was in that movie.

1600
01:51:47.399 --> 01:51:53.800
I never saw it, but it
was really me bringing them together that made

1601
01:51:53.840 --> 01:51:57.960
both of them who they were,
got it? I you know, might

1602
01:51:58.000 --> 01:52:01.560
as well call me mister m I
am mister T and I am Hulk Hogan.

1603
01:52:02.640 --> 01:52:10.600
Yes, that's a fact. I'm
glad to clear that up. That's

1604
01:52:10.640 --> 01:52:15.840
what I thought. Yeah, right
for now. So we've got Hogan,

1605
01:52:15.279 --> 01:52:20.640
We've got mister T. And did
you know that there is a third wrestling

1606
01:52:20.840 --> 01:52:28.640
personality in this movie? No,
yes there is. Have you ever heard

1607
01:52:28.680 --> 01:52:33.159
of a wrestling announcer turned TV host
named Dennis James? No? Well,

1608
01:52:33.239 --> 01:52:39.239
this is actually speaking of James.
This is very much thanks to James and

1609
01:52:39.439 --> 01:52:43.000
his incredible help with my research,
because I would have never found this fucking

1610
01:52:43.039 --> 01:52:47.359
one but Dennis James. He plays
one of the announcers in the Thunderlips scene,

1611
01:52:47.359 --> 01:52:54.520
opposite Jim Healy. Was an announcer
for wrestling from Columbia Park on the

1612
01:52:54.600 --> 01:52:58.520
Dumont Network in the hunteen fifties.
Yes he was well. Hold on a

1613
01:52:58.600 --> 01:53:02.399
second, say this again, Dennis
James, yep, wrestling from Columbia Park.

1614
01:53:03.119 --> 01:53:08.319
Wrestling from Columbia Park. Where's Columbia
Park? I don't know, Chicago,

1615
01:53:08.880 --> 01:53:12.359
I don't know, because I'm Comiskey
Park. Well that they only didn't

1616
01:53:12.399 --> 01:53:15.039
want. The only reason I get
really interested is because one of the huge

1617
01:53:16.039 --> 01:53:19.079
yeah wrestling from Columbia Park. Yeah, Marry Gold, Yeah, the Merry

1618
01:53:19.119 --> 01:53:25.640
Gold. That's that's the that's the
venue for the initial wrestling television shows on

1619
01:53:25.680 --> 01:53:28.479
the Dumont Network in the Gorgeous Georgia
era. The reason I asked is I

1620
01:53:28.520 --> 01:53:31.359
wonder if this is the guy?
Say his name again. It's Dennis James.

1621
01:53:31.680 --> 01:53:42.039
Ye, folks that uh listen to
our first star cast show where we

1622
01:53:42.880 --> 01:53:47.359
do the Buddy Rogers Pat O'Connor Kimisky
Park match in sixty one before a live

1623
01:53:47.439 --> 01:53:51.560
crowd. Would recall that I was
very frustrated by not being able to find

1624
01:53:51.640 --> 01:53:58.039
out who the who the TV announcer
was during the match. Listening back because

1625
01:53:59.199 --> 01:54:05.800
I will listen to many time,
but so uh yeah more or you wow.

1626
01:54:08.640 --> 01:54:13.359
This is from the Sports on Television
book by Alvin H. Merrill Merrill,

1627
01:54:13.439 --> 01:54:16.359
I don't know all around announcer and
later familiar game show hosts, Dennis

1628
01:54:16.479 --> 01:54:20.439
James was the wrestling commentator for Dumont
virtually from the beginning, and, in

1629
01:54:20.520 --> 01:54:26.159
his unique affable style, more or
less proved that wrestling was more than show

1630
01:54:26.520 --> 01:54:30.920
was more showbiz than sport. James
regularly added his own showbiz touched the proceedings

1631
01:54:30.920 --> 01:54:35.479
as the man at ringside showing up. It has been reported equipped with dog

1632
01:54:35.560 --> 01:54:41.319
biscuits, walnut shells, and pieces
of wood that he would crack into the

1633
01:54:41.359 --> 01:54:44.960
mic whenever a wrestler would apply a
bone crushing hold. Oh my god,

1634
01:54:45.079 --> 01:54:47.439
that's what he does. What they're
saying. In the early days, Dumont

1635
01:54:47.479 --> 01:54:51.119
and to a lesser extent, ABC
televised the bulk of sports events. Among

1636
01:54:51.239 --> 01:54:57.279
the extremely popular wrestling shows were those
that originated locally from Chicago. On Sunday

1637
01:54:57.359 --> 01:55:02.399
nights on Dumont, Jack Brickhouse called
the act from uh Marrigold Garden for nearly

1638
01:55:02.479 --> 01:55:06.039
sixty years. For ABC, it
was Wayne Griffin announcing from Rainbow Arena and

1639
01:55:06.239 --> 01:55:12.840
Dennis James did the matches from arenas
around the New York area. James,

1640
01:55:12.880 --> 01:55:15.479
then, I guess, but I
don't know why. Who is that first

1641
01:55:15.560 --> 01:55:19.720
name? Jack Brickhouse from America Garden. Yeah, that sounds right, but

1642
01:55:19.880 --> 01:55:23.720
I guess, so he did it
from New York. But wrestling from Columbia

1643
01:55:23.800 --> 01:55:28.239
Park, you said, with Chicago, Yeah, it seems like Columbia Park

1644
01:55:28.359 --> 01:55:30.680
was another term for Marygold Arena,
which was in Chicago, for sure.

1645
01:55:30.720 --> 01:55:38.359
But no, oh and oh,
I guess he did. He did Sunyside

1646
01:55:38.359 --> 01:55:42.479
Gardens, Jerome, Jamaica, and
Columbia Park arenas. So ah, maybe

1647
01:55:42.960 --> 01:55:48.079
park. Is there a Columbia Park
in New York. Let's see Empire State

1648
01:55:48.159 --> 01:55:53.800
Friends screaming at their podcast app of
fuck Columbia Park, New York. I'm

1649
01:55:53.840 --> 01:55:58.159
sure there is. Whether it's the
it's Columbus No, no, yeah,

1650
01:55:58.279 --> 01:56:05.840
nothing comes out, so yeah.
Anyway, Dennis James became defined by his

1651
01:56:06.159 --> 01:56:12.600
enthusiastic okay mother phrase when describing a
particular fall or a hold, a phrase

1652
01:56:12.680 --> 01:56:15.600
made so popular by him that he
actually used it as the title of one

1653
01:56:15.680 --> 01:56:19.359
of his numerous daytime game shows.
Okay mother. Bizarre, Yeah, very

1654
01:56:19.399 --> 01:56:25.039
bizarre. But here's some clips of
him calling a match. This first one,

1655
01:56:27.439 --> 01:56:34.359
hold on, what do we get
here? This first one is Gene

1656
01:56:34.479 --> 01:56:42.600
Stanley versus Coola Kwariani. Yep,
Cola Quarriotti. That's the promoter that Bruno

1657
01:56:42.680 --> 01:56:45.640
went with over Vin Senior, causing
their first riff. All right, listeners

1658
01:56:45.680 --> 01:56:49.239
of the Bruno tribute show that we
did, we'll recall Cola Queriatti, also

1659
01:56:49.319 --> 01:56:55.039
a star of the big screen.
There we go Japanese arm liking the by

1660
01:56:55.119 --> 01:56:59.960
Stanley am a monkey clip by Jane. I love the way Jane just pramps

1661
01:57:00.079 --> 01:57:04.600
around uttering, yes you know I
sometimes he doesn't really aggravate the restorer,

1662
01:57:04.640 --> 01:57:11.039
but aggravating the rest of or not. He pleases the ladies. What do

1663
01:57:11.079 --> 01:57:14.840
you know about it? And then
Stanley a big star, Oh yeah America,

1664
01:57:15.199 --> 01:57:18.560
and then also oh really, no
kidding Jeane Stanley Medies and Gentleman.

1665
01:57:19.079 --> 01:57:27.319
And then this next clip from uh
Benito Gardini versus you know someone we're from

1666
01:57:27.439 --> 01:57:30.920
pretty familiar with and Antonino Rocca.
Sure Guardin He said, I used my

1667
01:57:31.079 --> 01:57:35.279
head and Raka uses his bare feet
and here we go. You see that

1668
01:57:44.319 --> 01:57:48.079
Racca constantly moves Guardian. He said, hey, what's going on here?

1669
01:57:54.319 --> 01:57:57.279
Watch if you'll see things executed that
you've never seen before in your life.

1670
01:57:57.479 --> 01:58:02.359
Was he can move this boy?
There's his stay cold. He's so he

1671
01:58:02.439 --> 01:58:08.439
was making chop meat out of Guardini. However, that's awesome, like that

1672
01:58:08.560 --> 01:58:12.279
style a great stuff. But he's
very funny. I love his voice very

1673
01:58:12.399 --> 01:58:15.960
It's like so fifty. It's like
it's such a great, totally sounding I've

1674
01:58:15.960 --> 01:58:18.319
never heard I've never heard wrestling called
by somebody with a voice like that,

1675
01:58:18.439 --> 01:58:21.479
you know, yeah, right right, And he sounds like he's having fun.

1676
01:58:21.640 --> 01:58:26.720
And that's how you can't get much
more than that totally. And then

1677
01:58:27.159 --> 01:58:30.520
this from his obit in the New
York Times. Sennis James, the perpetual

1678
01:58:30.600 --> 01:58:35.960
television personality whose career as a ubiquitous
game show host, announcer, actor,

1679
01:58:36.000 --> 01:58:41.479
and commercial spokesman extended from the primeval
days of television to the present, died

1680
01:58:41.520 --> 01:58:45.359
on Tuesday at his home in Palm
Springs, California. He was seventy nine

1681
01:58:45.880 --> 01:58:51.359
and had worked almost continuously since nineteen
thirty eight. His son Brad said the

1682
01:58:51.439 --> 01:58:58.039
cause was lung cancer or disease,
diagnosed on January thirtieth January. In January,

1683
01:58:58.079 --> 01:59:01.000
thirty years after mister James, along
the voice of Old Gold Cigarettes,

1684
01:59:01.039 --> 01:59:05.840
had stopped smoking. A native of
Jersey City, mister James, whose original

1685
01:59:05.920 --> 01:59:13.520
name was Demi James, Demi Demi
James Sposa, graduated from Saint Peter's College

1686
01:59:13.560 --> 01:59:16.119
and passed up medical school to become
an actor. After graduating from the Theater

1687
01:59:16.199 --> 01:59:21.560
School of the Performing Arts at Carnegie
Hall, he sold dog supplies at Abercrombie

1688
01:59:21.560 --> 01:59:28.439
and Fitch dog supplies at Abercrombie and
Fish, apparently before getting a job at

1689
01:59:28.439 --> 01:59:31.880
a small radio station in New Jersey
through a brother who worked for mister Dumont,

1690
01:59:31.960 --> 01:59:35.880
he shifted from radio to television,
joining the new medium early and proving

1691
01:59:35.960 --> 01:59:41.039
so flexible an adept that, although
early records are skimpy, he eventually claimed

1692
01:59:41.079 --> 01:59:45.680
two dozen television firsts. By the
time mister James returned from three years of

1693
01:59:45.840 --> 01:59:48.279
army service in World War Two and
obtained a do it all contract from the

1694
01:59:48.319 --> 01:59:54.239
Dumont Network, television was beginning to
attract a wider audience. If the choreographed

1695
01:59:54.239 --> 01:59:58.840
mayhem a professional wrestling seems an unlikely
magnet, it was mister James's witty,

1696
01:59:59.079 --> 02:00:02.159
tongue in cheek common terry that provided
much of its early appeal. Knowing nothing

1697
02:00:02.159 --> 02:00:06.680
about professional wrestling, he addressed his
commentary to a mythical television mother, made

1698
02:00:06.760 --> 02:00:11.600
up names for holds he didn't recognized, and used a rubber dog bone from

1699
02:00:11.640 --> 02:00:16.199
his Abercrombie days to create the crunching
sounds of bone breaking while he's stripped down

1700
02:00:16.199 --> 02:00:19.800
a balloon to create the effect of
blood curdling screams you know what I'm prepared

1701
02:00:19.840 --> 02:00:24.199
to say at this point in this
episode of Under the cinemat yep, I'm

1702
02:00:24.239 --> 02:00:27.520
only gonna reserve this, I think
going forward, for one figure we touch

1703
02:00:27.600 --> 02:00:32.399
on per episode, Ladies and gentlemen, Dennis James. I'll say, you

1704
02:00:32.479 --> 02:00:35.680
know what I mean, what a
fucking character? Fuck me? I knew

1705
02:00:35.720 --> 02:00:39.760
nothing. And what does he do
in the movie? He does the commentary,

1706
02:00:39.840 --> 02:00:43.520
he's one of the one of the
announcers for for the wrestling match.

1707
02:00:43.680 --> 02:00:45.840
Well, I'm looking forward to that. Ye for mister James, a man

1708
02:00:45.880 --> 02:00:49.880
who husbanded his money and invested it
wisely. This amounted to combining charity with

1709
02:00:49.960 --> 02:00:55.640
pleasure. His Palm Springs home looks
out over the Mission Hills country Club course,

1710
02:00:55.920 --> 02:01:00.000
and until his final illness, he
managed to play every day. So

1711
02:01:00.479 --> 02:01:09.520
Dennis James, Ladies and gentlemen,
And finally we bring you Sylvester Stallone.

1712
02:01:09.800 --> 02:01:15.720
Yes, writer, director, hall
of famer, hall not yet and star

1713
02:01:16.479 --> 02:01:19.520
of the Rocky move well not.
He didn't direct all of them, but

1714
02:01:19.560 --> 02:01:25.159
he directed four out of the six
Rocky movies. The first four, No,

1715
02:01:25.359 --> 02:01:28.800
he directed, the middle he didn't
direct the first one. He directed

1716
02:01:28.840 --> 02:01:38.359
the uh middle three of the first
five, John g have Avoldson, I

1717
02:01:38.399 --> 02:01:44.039
can never say his fucking name directed
one and five, and then Rocky Stallone

1718
02:01:44.239 --> 02:01:51.439
directed six, but he's written all. He was born Michael Sylvester Gardenzio Stallone.

1719
02:01:51.800 --> 02:01:57.039
His mother Jackie, had trouble giving
birth to him, and the doctors

1720
02:01:57.079 --> 02:01:59.920
apparently had to use two sets of
four steps to help get him out.

1721
02:02:00.439 --> 02:02:03.039
Wow yep. And this procedure has
actually caused nerve damage to his face and

1722
02:02:03.079 --> 02:02:09.800
gave him his signature. He's he's
uh, what do you call it?

1723
02:02:10.600 --> 02:02:14.720
When he can't move? Yeah,
he's got yeah. That's why he's got

1724
02:02:14.720 --> 02:02:17.039
that weird snarl in his slurred speech
because I never knew that. Yeah.

1725
02:02:17.199 --> 02:02:21.920
Part of his lower face, like
whatever side that's on, is paralyzed because

1726
02:02:21.920 --> 02:02:28.159
of this, because of his birth. After moving around to different parts of

1727
02:02:28.199 --> 02:02:33.399
the country, he attended the University
of Miami, where he studied acting and

1728
02:02:33.880 --> 02:02:36.600
he booked a small part, I
believe, and when he was done,

1729
02:02:36.640 --> 02:02:41.239
he packed up to move to New
York. He was from he said he's

1730
02:02:41.239 --> 02:02:43.359
from I say he was from New
York, but he's from New York originally.

1731
02:02:44.640 --> 02:02:46.960
But he moved back to New York
and during this time got evicted from

1732
02:02:47.039 --> 02:02:54.039
his apartment and at one point slept
in Port Authority for three weeks because he

1733
02:02:54.159 --> 02:02:58.399
was homeless. It was around this
time he spotted a casting notice for a

1734
02:02:58.560 --> 02:03:03.279
softcore porn movie, which paid him
two hundred dollars. So this is Have

1735
02:03:03.399 --> 02:03:08.760
you heard the story the slashed alone
porn movie. Oh yeah, yeah,

1736
02:03:09.239 --> 02:03:13.800
it was always kind of a there
was there's a legend. Did he did

1737
02:03:13.840 --> 02:03:15.199
this early in his career? Oh
yeah, this is way before this is.

1738
02:03:15.399 --> 02:03:18.760
Yeah, it's like I said,
he's sleeping, he's homeless, and

1739
02:03:18.840 --> 02:03:25.159
he did this movie. So when
I was a kid, I remember hearing

1740
02:03:25.159 --> 02:03:29.279
about this, this porn movie and
saying that's why he got the name the

1741
02:03:29.680 --> 02:03:33.560
Italian Stallion, and that's why they
used that in Rocky. Was kind of

1742
02:03:33.800 --> 02:03:36.640
like, he's writing about that,
but it's the other way around. So

1743
02:03:38.119 --> 02:03:43.039
the porn movie, the softcore porn
movie was made before Rocky, but came

1744
02:03:43.119 --> 02:03:48.760
out after his after Rocky, and
so they renamed the movie Italian Stallion to

1745
02:03:48.840 --> 02:03:53.760
cash it on the Rocky success.
So everyone's a fucking carny. Everyone's a

1746
02:03:53.800 --> 02:03:59.319
fucking carny. Yeah, take advantage
absolutely. And from then he appeared in

1747
02:03:59.319 --> 02:04:02.199
a number of small in some major
films and TV shows he was. He

1748
02:04:02.359 --> 02:04:11.960
had a part in the TV show
mash Like small parts in Clute Kojaku,

1749
02:04:12.319 --> 02:04:19.640
in the Woody Allen's Bananas and another
thing, so he actually had After these,

1750
02:04:19.720 --> 02:04:25.439
he had his first starring vehicle,
but much like the Starfcore Porn,

1751
02:04:25.920 --> 02:04:33.680
it wouldn't be released until years later, and they re edited the movie apparently

1752
02:04:33.760 --> 02:04:38.560
in the style of, uh,
do you know the movie? You know,

1753
02:04:39.800 --> 02:04:43.239
Woody Allen's first movie, What's Up
Tiger Lily? His firsttorial effort.

1754
02:04:43.479 --> 02:04:46.199
Okay, so this is What's Up? Tiger Lily? Is Woody Allen's first

1755
02:04:46.199 --> 02:04:49.960
film, not the movie Stallone was
in, but same style, so they

1756
02:04:51.680 --> 02:04:58.159
What's Up Tiger Lily? Is?
Woody Allen took a film, a pre

1757
02:04:58.319 --> 02:05:05.840
already a pre existing Jazzjapanese James Bond
type spy thriller, and he he redubbed

1758
02:05:05.840 --> 02:05:15.920
the dialogue and reorganized the scenes,
and I think added new footage of him

1759
02:05:15.000 --> 02:05:20.079
in it, and I said,
completely redob the and and then instead of

1760
02:05:20.239 --> 02:05:27.520
being this spy thriller, it was
about a spy who was searching trying to

1761
02:05:27.560 --> 02:05:31.840
get the world's best egg salad recipe
from somebody. So it was this comedy.

1762
02:05:31.840 --> 02:05:36.720
He trigged this, this Japanese spy
thriller into a comedy. And that's

1763
02:05:36.800 --> 02:05:43.279
what they did as well for this
movie that Stallone made the starting vehicle.

1764
02:05:43.680 --> 02:05:48.960
But because it came out after Rocky
and even after Rambo, like they just

1765
02:05:49.199 --> 02:05:53.960
you know, this movie just didn't
exist. They they renamed this picture and

1766
02:05:53.960 --> 02:05:57.479
then again they re edited, they
redubbed the dialogue and called it a man

1767
02:05:57.600 --> 02:06:03.800
named Rainbow. So like, just
wacky shit going on these fucking people.

1768
02:06:06.199 --> 02:06:13.199
So back to the seventies. March
of seventy five, Stallone goes sees a

1769
02:06:13.319 --> 02:06:18.479
boxing match with Chuck Wepner and Muhammad
Ali where Webner nearly goes the distance with

1770
02:06:18.560 --> 02:06:25.319
Ali and gets knocked out I think
in late in the fifteenth round. And

1771
02:06:26.560 --> 02:06:30.079
apparently Stallone went home that night and
wrote the script for Rocky. In the

1772
02:06:30.159 --> 02:06:35.079
next three and a half days,
he tried to sell the studios, but

1773
02:06:35.319 --> 02:06:42.840
nobody was interested, but the producing
team of Erwin Winkler and Robert Charthoff.

1774
02:06:43.560 --> 02:06:49.359
They ultimately they had a weird deal
where if movie, if the movie was

1775
02:06:49.399 --> 02:06:53.640
going to be low enough budget.
This is not common. Usually you have

1776
02:06:53.720 --> 02:06:56.960
to go to a studio head to
get a green light for a movie to

1777
02:06:57.039 --> 02:07:00.800
move forward. But Erwin Winkler big
producer, big, big, big producer,

1778
02:07:01.359 --> 02:07:06.800
and he, uh, hold on, I actually want to check if

1779
02:07:06.840 --> 02:07:19.000
I'm not mistaken, mister Winkler,
Henry Winkler's dad, probably And yeah,

1780
02:07:19.640 --> 02:07:25.840
so raging Bowl the right stuff.
Good fellas like this is he's a fucking

1781
02:07:26.560 --> 02:07:31.479
you know, he's a fucking beast
of a of a producer. And so

1782
02:07:33.279 --> 02:07:41.039
yeah, so they so they they
had a deal with MGM where their production

1783
02:07:41.159 --> 02:07:48.359
company, uh Winkler and chart off
if if a if a project was had

1784
02:07:48.399 --> 02:07:54.560
a small enough budget, they could
green light it on their own without going

1785
02:07:54.600 --> 02:07:58.560
to the studio higher ups. And
so that's what they did. They they

1786
02:07:58.680 --> 02:08:03.520
did it, and they bought They
bought Rocky. But there was a little

1787
02:08:03.560 --> 02:08:09.199
caveat caveat to the sale. Stallone
must play the role. He wouldn't give

1788
02:08:09.239 --> 02:08:15.000
it unless he played the role.
United Artists. They wanted to use the

1789
02:08:15.079 --> 02:08:20.039
script for Robert Redford James conn our
good friend here on under the Cinemat,

1790
02:08:20.079 --> 02:08:24.680
but Stallone said and his team they
wouldn't allow it. So this is when

1791
02:08:24.720 --> 02:08:31.520
they did lower budget and while a
slight Stallone plays Rocky. Of course,

1792
02:08:31.840 --> 02:08:35.680
the movie was a huge success.
Yeah, and nominated for a bunch of

1793
02:08:35.720 --> 02:08:43.199
Oscars, including Best Actor, Best
Picture, Best Screenplay, winning Best Director

1794
02:08:43.439 --> 02:08:48.880
and Best Picture. In seventy seven
is when they would have won. So

1795
02:08:48.960 --> 02:08:52.439
let's not forget this in the grand
scheme of life. So that's just alone

1796
02:08:52.560 --> 02:08:58.399
Oscar nominee. Okay, that is
there, no matter what, absolutely correct.

1797
02:09:00.359 --> 02:09:03.239
The success of the movie for a
Slide led to numerous other opportunities,

1798
02:09:03.279 --> 02:09:07.920
including Paradise Alley, Rocky two,
and First Blood, which would kick off

1799
02:09:07.960 --> 02:09:16.000
the Rambo franchise. When he was
promoting the Abortion that is Rocky two,

1800
02:09:16.680 --> 02:09:22.039
Stallone did an interview with Roger Ebert
where he actually he he gave this is

1801
02:09:22.159 --> 02:09:28.199
kind of interesting. He gave some
ideas of where he thought Rocky three would

1802
02:09:28.279 --> 02:09:31.680
go. So even at when he's
promoting Rocky two, he's thinking of Rocky

1803
02:09:33.159 --> 02:09:37.920
three. When we were filming Rocky
two, it took a terrible beating a

1804
02:09:37.000 --> 02:09:41.239
lot of Carl Weathers, you know, really power me. You know it

1805
02:09:41.359 --> 02:09:43.720
was it was. It was the
most grueling thing I ever been through.

1806
02:09:43.800 --> 02:09:50.760
And broken bones works fights four times
long as as eight times many punches the

1807
02:09:50.840 --> 02:09:54.520
first one and a lot of those
shots are faked, And it was as

1808
02:09:54.560 --> 02:09:56.840
hard to You know, it's hard
to I can't do it for that long.

1809
02:09:58.039 --> 02:10:01.479
It's it's hard to learn not to
hit someone someone as to hit them.

1810
02:10:01.840 --> 02:10:05.000
Right now, my health is pretty
bad, and Ebert says, seriously

1811
02:10:05.079 --> 02:10:09.159
bad, and Salon it's really bad. I have to go in for extensive

1812
02:10:09.239 --> 02:10:13.720
testing. They talk to me about
enlarged in testings, rearranged insides. I've

1813
02:10:13.760 --> 02:10:16.319
lost a lot of weight. Don't
worry, I'll get all fixed up.

1814
02:10:18.920 --> 02:10:22.119
Ebert goes, but you plan to
make a final sequel called Rocky three.

1815
02:10:22.640 --> 02:10:26.039
Will you go through all that pounting
again? Yeah? Sure, he says

1816
02:10:26.119 --> 02:10:31.039
that. What was that? Yeah
sure, it's an Italian thing, it

1817
02:10:31.159 --> 02:10:35.079
must be. Yeah, sure,
Why because I have to wick the movie

1818
02:10:35.119 --> 02:10:39.039
without a fight. The fighter is
to look right with the movie, doesn't

1819
02:10:39.079 --> 02:10:41.880
then right? And I want to
make Rocky three in the pretty near future.

1820
02:10:43.439 --> 02:10:45.600
Your body has a tendency to go
to hell. And I was twenty

1821
02:10:45.680 --> 02:10:48.960
nine when I was Rocky. Now
I'm thirty two. Time doesn't wait.

1822
02:10:48.000 --> 02:10:52.840
I'd like to make Rocky three in
the next eighteen months. See, I

1823
02:10:52.960 --> 02:10:56.279
have this thing. It may sound
crazy. When I was fifteen, I

1824
02:10:56.359 --> 02:10:58.960
read the Studs Long Again trilogy by
James T. Farrell. But this irin

1825
02:11:00.079 --> 02:11:03.000
kid in Chicago, I guess he
died when he was about thirty two.

1826
02:11:03.039 --> 02:11:05.279
He was all screwed up. But
I've always wanted just one time for the

1827
02:11:05.319 --> 02:11:09.039
American cinema to round out a character. Each movie should deal with about a

1828
02:11:09.159 --> 02:11:13.880
year of the character's life. So
when Rocky three, Oh, Ebert asks,

1829
02:11:13.880 --> 02:11:16.039
so, when Rocky three, do
Rocky and to Pollo have another rematch?

1830
02:11:16.680 --> 02:11:20.359
No, no, I've got I've
got more at my sleeve than that.

1831
02:11:20.439 --> 02:11:24.119
I'll tell you what's gonna happen.
And Paula retires. Mickey, Rocky's

1832
02:11:24.159 --> 02:11:28.439
manager, has a stroke, so
all that kind of accurate. Rocky wants

1833
02:11:28.520 --> 02:11:33.199
to retire, but there's this street
tough challenger, and Rocky decides him one

1834
02:11:33.279 --> 02:11:35.680
more fight, even though he's half
blind, and this will be his last

1835
02:11:35.720 --> 02:11:39.239
fight one way or the other.
He goes with Paulo Creed and asks him

1836
02:11:39.239 --> 02:11:41.239
to be looks like amazing, like
all this fucking shit actually happens in the

1837
02:11:41.279 --> 02:11:46.039
movie Wow, And this is this
is when he's promoting Rocky two, booking

1838
02:11:46.279 --> 02:11:50.119
yep exactly. And he goes with
Paula Creed and asks him to be his

1839
02:11:50.239 --> 02:11:52.800
trainer and Apollo teaches him to fight
the way he does. It's alone smiled.

1840
02:11:54.680 --> 02:11:58.079
It's interesting their relationship because a Paulo
Creed is a Rhodes scholar compared to

1841
02:11:58.159 --> 02:12:03.600
Rocky Balboa. I didn't know he
was in a team with Cody Rhodes and

1842
02:12:05.399 --> 02:12:09.239
what's Sandau? Oh they were Rhodes
scholars. Rhodes scholars, Box, I

1843
02:12:09.359 --> 02:12:16.720
can't, I can't allow you to
make me remember that, like there is

1844
02:12:16.800 --> 02:12:22.760
a reason I forgot that. That's
the land and they were Rhodes scholars.

1845
02:12:26.800 --> 02:12:28.880
Apollo teaches him things like how to
handle his money. Rocky teaches the Pollo

1846
02:12:28.880 --> 02:12:33.840
stuff about being street smart. Can
you imagine, for example, Rocky Balboa

1847
02:12:33.960 --> 02:12:35.920
in Europe? But that's where I'm
going to take him for his final fight.

1848
02:12:37.840 --> 02:12:43.159
His last bout will be in the
Roman Colisseum, carried worldwide by satellite.

1849
02:12:43.199 --> 02:12:46.079
Well that doesn't happen, unfortunately,
Sloon said in his voice, picked

1850
02:12:46.159 --> 02:12:48.760
up enthusiasm. Can you see it, Rocky and the Colosseum, the left

1851
02:12:48.800 --> 02:12:52.560
gladiated and running up the Spanish steps, and Rocky's deeply religious. Can you

1852
02:12:52.640 --> 02:12:56.600
imagine him inside Saint Peter's I'm seriously
going to try to work in an audience

1853
02:12:56.640 --> 02:13:01.319
with the pope into the film.
I don't know. Maybe with this pope

1854
02:13:01.359 --> 02:13:03.119
it'll go for it. You know. If you don't, maybe we'll get

1855
02:13:03.119 --> 02:13:09.800
another pope and then that'll be it
for the word. I heard Elijah Burks

1856
02:13:09.840 --> 02:13:13.399
available depending on how long you want
to go, and then that'll be it

1857
02:13:13.479 --> 02:13:16.920
for the Rocky pictures. Yeah,
I want to throw my attention to movies

1858
02:13:16.920 --> 02:13:20.760
about love relationships. I'm exploring the
female psyche. There ought to be some

1859
02:13:20.920 --> 02:13:26.359
interesting discoveries that love st if you
do it right. People want to hear

1860
02:13:26.439 --> 02:13:30.039
romantic dialogue, like Rocky says,
if you wouldn't be here, I couldn't

1861
02:13:30.039 --> 02:13:33.560
be here. You know, it
looks dangerous to Corny and the printed page,

1862
02:13:33.640 --> 02:13:35.800
But if it works in the movie, people love it. People's stories.

1863
02:13:35.920 --> 02:13:39.520
I'm not at all interested in you
know, these these nine Men against

1864
02:13:39.560 --> 02:13:43.000
the World movies, but they'll never
be a Rocky four. You can you

1865
02:13:43.039 --> 02:13:50.079
can call you got to call a
halt. Hear that this business. No

1866
02:13:50.319 --> 02:13:54.520
Rocky five, no Rocky, no
Creed one, no Creed two. Come

1867
02:13:54.600 --> 02:13:58.399
on, Rocky, Sly, Sly, you're not that sly pal, you're

1868
02:13:58.439 --> 02:14:01.960
telling on your yourself. Sly,
You're not that sly, sly. You

1869
02:14:03.000 --> 02:14:05.680
don't have control over your life and
you think you do it at last.

1870
02:14:05.800 --> 02:14:11.720
Correct correct, correct, Amundo.
He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack

1871
02:14:11.800 --> 02:14:26.880
and Carno MJP soo. He's a
laps fan wrestling podcast. Later he did

1872
02:14:26.920 --> 02:14:31.239
a promoting Rocky three. He did
a TV interview where he discussed the evolution

1873
02:14:31.479 --> 02:14:37.560
of the Rocky character that he would
have to go through a similar transition.

1874
02:14:37.600 --> 02:14:43.439
I have changed somewhat in the past
six years, and the character of Rocky

1875
02:14:43.960 --> 02:14:46.319
is also a very moody character,
and I felt that he would have to

1876
02:14:46.439 --> 02:14:52.600
go through a similar transition in the
way that he is not only he perceived

1877
02:14:52.640 --> 02:14:56.479
himself with the way people perceived him. That he changes the way he addresses

1878
02:14:56.560 --> 02:15:03.279
He becomes a spokesman for products,
he becomes you might say, America's favorite

1879
02:15:03.399 --> 02:15:11.239
son, and he loses grasps with
reality. He the fighting that becomes secondary

1880
02:15:11.359 --> 02:15:18.359
and being a personality comes first.
And that really really is self destructive because

1881
02:15:18.600 --> 02:15:20.600
in the end, when he does
have to prove his worth, he comes

1882
02:15:20.680 --> 02:15:26.319
against he might say, immovable odds, and he's in trouble. And the

1883
02:15:26.399 --> 02:15:31.399
film is the regaining the redemption of
himself. It's The key line in the

1884
02:15:31.479 --> 02:15:33.039
movie is I the Tiger. He
has to go back and find the eye

1885
02:15:33.079 --> 02:15:37.159
of the tiger, get hungry again, get back, because once you go

1886
02:15:37.319 --> 02:15:41.359
through I mentioned before pugilistic decadents,
when the pain doesn't hurt anymore, and

1887
02:15:43.199 --> 02:15:46.479
I mean the pain, you start
to feel the pain and the challenge isn't

1888
02:15:46.479 --> 02:15:50.079
there anymore. You don't feel like
really destroying one's opponent, and you don't

1889
02:15:50.079 --> 02:15:52.079
feel like fighting anymore, and you
begin to say, well, I wonder

1890
02:15:52.119 --> 02:15:56.079
how my restaurant is going on my
fast food chain. It's over. It's

1891
02:15:56.159 --> 02:16:00.760
time to get out. That's good
stuff, that's great much listic. Yeah,

1892
02:16:01.960 --> 02:16:05.000
I'll take that to the bank.
So I had the Tiger. So

1893
02:16:05.079 --> 02:16:09.720
Hogan got that idea from this movie. What for his entrance theme, Well,

1894
02:16:09.720 --> 02:16:11.720
it's in the movie. Yeah right, yeah, oh yeah, no,

1895
02:16:11.880 --> 02:16:16.119
no, they That's what I'm saying. Like they they they fucking yeah.

1896
02:16:16.279 --> 02:16:20.239
They played that whole thing like it
was. The movie was huge.

1897
02:16:20.359 --> 02:16:26.560
So they took the song gave to
Hogan. Yep, oh totally. Now,

1898
02:16:26.960 --> 02:16:33.399
So you'll you'll notice in this movie
he is ripped compared to the previous

1899
02:16:33.639 --> 02:16:37.520
rocking stole that he wasn't in shade. I mean, Stallone's always been in

1900
02:16:37.559 --> 02:16:43.239
great shape, but so besides his
exercise regimen to get into the shape that

1901
02:16:43.280 --> 02:16:46.000
he wanted to be. You ready
for this? This is his diet.

1902
02:16:48.360 --> 02:16:52.040
He apparently he claims this too.
This is him. He posted this a

1903
02:16:52.079 --> 02:16:56.840
couple of years ago that he only
ate small portions of oatmeal, cookies with

1904
02:16:58.040 --> 02:17:03.680
brown ricewent, five cups of coffee
a day with honey, and a couple

1905
02:17:03.840 --> 02:17:09.079
scoops of tuna fish. That's what
every fucking day. Cool, right,

1906
02:17:09.479 --> 02:17:15.120
And this got them down to what
was people doctors told me it was unhealthy

1907
02:17:15.479 --> 02:17:18.319
two point nine percent body fat.
Oh my god, Like, what the

1908
02:17:18.440 --> 02:17:24.000
fuck? Man? I think?
Yeah, I'm pretty sure. I get

1909
02:17:24.040 --> 02:17:26.079
ads on Facebook for the same thing. They call it a diet and they

1910
02:17:26.120 --> 02:17:31.600
ship it to your house and all
that. I mean, honestly, they

1911
02:17:31.639 --> 02:17:37.200
put the die and diet seriously all
right, so taste great with none of

1912
02:17:37.239 --> 02:17:41.079
the sacrifices of the last fat diet. I'll take. I'll take the blow

1913
02:17:41.120 --> 02:17:43.520
away diet. Yeah. Can I
Can I get the one that gives me

1914
02:17:43.639 --> 02:17:46.120
more body fat? Please? Can
I get the one that you know,

1915
02:17:46.319 --> 02:17:50.719
just fucking put powder on my stomach
and I blow it away with a stilet

1916
02:17:50.799 --> 02:17:54.600
all the shit that I want,
But nobody said. You know, we

1917
02:17:54.639 --> 02:17:58.360
get called out by the way for
not for not talking about the coke,

1918
02:17:58.680 --> 02:18:01.600
the co caine reference there. The
cocaine. Yeah, well it is very

1919
02:18:03.040 --> 02:18:07.520
very there's a lot of cocaine to
it, and and how cocaine makes you

1920
02:18:07.600 --> 02:18:11.479
lose weight. I would like to
maybe use that as my next Halloween costume.

1921
02:18:13.680 --> 02:18:20.399
The Bloway diet. Just carry around
like some flour or what are you

1922
02:18:20.440 --> 02:18:24.760
supposed to be on the blow away
diet? Give me a second, No

1923
02:18:24.920 --> 02:18:30.440
ship, what the hell to take
a clothes off? Why the hell you

1924
02:18:30.600 --> 02:18:35.159
dressed like a fucking loaf of bread? All right, go ahead, New

1925
02:18:35.280 --> 02:18:45.959
Yeast Rising. That's it. That's
the show, New w w c W,

1926
02:18:46.239 --> 02:18:50.440
New Yeast Rising. I'll tell you
there were there were plenty of yeast

1927
02:18:50.479 --> 02:18:54.000
infections in w c W at that
point in time, and most of them

1928
02:18:54.040 --> 02:19:03.120
were in the mail offer. Uh
so the first when when Stallone sold the

1929
02:19:03.120 --> 02:19:07.120
first Rocky script, they sold for
around twenty five thousand dollars and he got

1930
02:19:07.159 --> 02:19:13.399
paid thirty five thousand dollars a star
in it. Then for part two,

1931
02:19:13.479 --> 02:19:15.840
and keep in mind that there was
a yeah, there was a million dollar

1932
02:19:15.920 --> 02:19:20.200
budget eventually, you know, so
thirty five thousand of the budget went towards

1933
02:19:20.360 --> 02:19:24.440
stallone. And they also had bigger
stars in it as well. Tal you

1934
02:19:24.520 --> 02:19:31.760
know, Talia Schier was fresh off
of two Godfather movies. Fucking what's his

1935
02:19:31.920 --> 02:19:41.559
name, Paulie Bert Young, fucking
Bert Young, and he's great, he's

1936
02:19:41.600 --> 02:19:50.079
fucking awesome in Chinatown, and you
know, Action Jackson there himself, right,

1937
02:19:50.799 --> 02:19:56.000
Carl weathers uh. For part two, he got he got a flat

1938
02:19:56.120 --> 02:20:01.000
salary of seventy five thousand to write, star and direct, which is definitely

1939
02:20:01.040 --> 02:20:05.840
a fucking bargain when you consider,
yeah, he got sixty to just sell

1940
02:20:05.879 --> 02:20:07.280
the script and like, you know, only making fifteen grand more its it

1941
02:20:07.280 --> 02:20:11.040
seems like a fucking and you're doing
three jobs instead of two. Uh.

1942
02:20:11.200 --> 02:20:15.479
Then for this picture, his upfront, his upfront, Now this is the

1943
02:20:15.520 --> 02:20:18.479
thing too, These are all upfronts, these are not total. So his

1944
02:20:18.719 --> 02:20:22.200
upfront for two was seventy five grand. His upfront for three was one hundred

1945
02:20:22.200 --> 02:20:26.200
and twenty grand. Now, like
I said, it doesn't seem like a

1946
02:20:26.239 --> 02:20:31.079
lot of money, but he had
apparently he had major back end points starting

1947
02:20:31.120 --> 02:20:35.719
with the first points. So he
had he says he had ten net points

1948
02:20:37.079 --> 02:20:43.239
for Rocky one and made He says
he made like two point five million from

1949
02:20:43.280 --> 02:20:50.280
the first film, nice after the
fact, so now here is but there

1950
02:20:50.360 --> 02:20:54.719
was a cash to all this,
and he just disclosed this a couple of

1951
02:20:54.760 --> 02:21:01.799
years ago. In an interview with
Variety, Stallone shared that when he sold

1952
02:21:01.840 --> 02:21:07.239
the original Rocky script, he was
not given any ownership of the property.

1953
02:21:09.559 --> 02:21:18.479
So despite all the money the franchise
has made that he created, he has

1954
02:21:18.559 --> 02:21:24.360
been denied ownership. He actually,
you know, he's in the interview,

1955
02:21:24.399 --> 02:21:26.799
he says he blames himself because he
was so young when he sold the original

1956
02:21:26.840 --> 02:21:37.159
script. And so basically what that
means is outside of the union, you

1957
02:21:37.239 --> 02:21:43.639
know, required residuals that he receives
from his services to the movie that he

1958
02:21:43.760 --> 02:21:48.559
did, he doesn't get a dime
on the other merchandising, no merchandising,

1959
02:21:50.600 --> 02:21:56.639
you know. So you know,
again, so I guess Vince took more

1960
02:21:56.719 --> 02:22:00.440
than the idea of Hogan and mister
t from this movie seriously set up the

1961
02:22:00.879 --> 02:22:03.719
national expansion. So and it's kind
of it's and you know it's great too.

1962
02:22:05.159 --> 02:22:09.159
So obviously he's made tons of money
and and you know, there is

1963
02:22:09.239 --> 02:22:13.040
a like there's an argument there.
You know, you're you're still making I

1964
02:22:13.120 --> 02:22:16.079
mean, you're you're you're doing okay
off of the Rocky movies. You know,

1965
02:22:16.200 --> 02:22:20.760
like you did all right. But
you know, but at the same

1966
02:22:20.840 --> 02:22:24.319
time, it is his, like
he fucking created it. There wouldn't be

1967
02:22:24.680 --> 02:22:28.719
this franchise without him. And people
in the business think he's a bitch because

1968
02:22:28.760 --> 02:22:35.399
he still gets tons of money.
But it's like there are people making way

1969
02:22:35.559 --> 02:22:39.319
more money off of his product.
And again, keep in mind, it's

1970
02:22:39.360 --> 02:22:45.520
not even that he just created it, but he wrote all the movies,

1971
02:22:46.200 --> 02:22:52.000
he directed half the they directed more
than half the movies. It's a lot

1972
02:22:52.079 --> 02:22:54.280
of and he started in all of
them, you know, like and and

1973
02:22:54.559 --> 02:22:58.840
and you know already you know,
it sounds like a Verne Gagna came along

1974
02:23:00.520 --> 02:23:03.760
convinced him that right. Seriously,
he was only worth ten percent. Seriously.

1975
02:23:05.440 --> 02:23:09.319
You know, it's like the disagreement
Hogan has with vern over the merchandise

1976
02:23:09.360 --> 02:23:13.840
exactly totally is yeah, and he
blames you know, he also had people

1977
02:23:13.040 --> 02:23:16.239
like yeah, he just had people
who were like this not done. It's

1978
02:23:16.280 --> 02:23:18.000
not done. But he's like,
I should have done it. You know,

1979
02:23:18.920 --> 02:23:24.399
he was young, stupid, and
you know, as far as stallone.

1980
02:23:26.840 --> 02:23:31.200
Life definitely imitated art in the case
of him, because after Rocky five

1981
02:23:31.639 --> 02:23:37.040
bombed, he went on a crazy
losing streak that cost him his entire career

1982
02:23:37.920 --> 02:23:45.120
for fifteen years. His whole team
of agents and managers, they couldn't find

1983
02:23:45.159 --> 02:23:50.159
him any kind of work or like
real work. After a while, he

1984
02:23:50.280 --> 02:23:52.680
did try, you know, he
made a bunch of crappy comedies in the

1985
02:23:52.760 --> 02:23:58.079
early nineties. Stop or My Mom
Will Shoot one of them, Oscar,

1986
02:23:58.360 --> 02:24:01.280
not the award, but the crappy
movie where he's a mob boss and his

1987
02:24:01.399 --> 02:24:07.879
daughter's getting married. Uh bombed Daylight. Do you remember Daylight? That's why

1988
02:24:07.879 --> 02:24:09.840
I remember Stopping my Mom Will Shoot. But yeah, I don't think I

1989
02:24:09.879 --> 02:24:13.399
remember Daylight. Yeah, Daylight was
this one actually kind of I want to

1990
02:24:13.440 --> 02:24:16.600
see it at the time when it
came out, which was you know,

1991
02:24:16.639 --> 02:24:22.600
it was during the the mid mid
to late nineties disaster movie craze that went

1992
02:24:22.639 --> 02:24:26.280
on with all like the Volcano movies
and whatnot. This one was a flood

1993
02:24:26.920 --> 02:24:33.319
a New York City tunnel gets flooded, and then Copland, which is so

1994
02:24:33.520 --> 02:24:41.239
fucking awful. God, Hey,
I hate Copland. It's like I remember

1995
02:24:41.319 --> 02:24:43.319
it was. It was heavily promoted. It was like, oh, you

1996
02:24:43.399 --> 02:24:46.000
know, it's stallow and he's gonna, he's gonna, you know, it's

1997
02:24:46.040 --> 02:24:48.000
like he's acting again, and he's
like he had gained a bunch of weight

1998
02:24:50.440 --> 02:24:56.879
to play this this this fucking cop
and it's this stupid movie. And you

1999
02:24:56.959 --> 02:25:00.799
know, after a while, you
know, he after all this shit failed

2000
02:25:00.799 --> 02:25:05.559
and he just went through this miserable
rut. He came up with the idea

2001
02:25:05.639 --> 02:25:09.479
for Rocky six, which would eventually
become Rocky Balboa, but no one wanted

2002
02:25:09.479 --> 02:25:15.559
touch the franchise anymore, and the
even Stallone admits that it was it was

2003
02:25:15.600 --> 02:25:20.319
a risk. The guy who was
head of MGM at the time, he

2004
02:25:20.479 --> 02:25:24.000
told Stallone that making a six installment
would make them the laughing stock of the

2005
02:25:24.280 --> 02:25:31.559
entertainment business. But in the end, in a nice little bit of symbolism,

2006
02:25:31.239 --> 02:25:37.959
the sons of the producers of Winkler, Winkler and chart Off produced Rocky

2007
02:25:39.040 --> 02:25:43.760
Balboa, and as we all know, it was a huge success and rejuvenated

2008
02:25:43.920 --> 02:25:50.360
Stallone's career, and he's from then
made a bunch of hits, the Expendables

2009
02:25:50.399 --> 02:25:56.719
franchise and two more Rambo installments,
the Rocky spinoffs, Creed and Cream two.

2010
02:25:56.319 --> 02:26:03.879
So some you know, he's he's
he's made his way back. He

2011
02:26:03.000 --> 02:26:07.799
owes the beginning of his career to
Rocky, and he owes the rebirth of

2012
02:26:07.840 --> 02:26:11.959
his career to Rocky. That's right, Yeah, that's right. And so

2013
02:26:11.040 --> 02:26:13.520
again a lot of symbolism there too, you know, like a lot of

2014
02:26:15.120 --> 02:26:20.719
a lot of I'm sure catharsis going
on. In twenty twelve, Men's Journal

2015
02:26:20.840 --> 02:26:24.000
reposted something that Stallone did to recognize
Rocky three the anniversary of Rocky three.

2016
02:26:26.239 --> 02:26:28.760
They wrote, even though he filmed
it over thirty years ago, so us

2017
02:26:28.760 --> 02:26:33.239
Slone still feels pain from Rocky three. Well, at least he remembers it

2018
02:26:33.319 --> 02:26:39.399
well. The legendary actor and star
of the Expendables series took to Instagram to

2019
02:26:39.440 --> 02:26:43.520
account his experience working with Hulk Hogan, who played wrestling champion Thunderlips in the

2020
02:26:43.600 --> 02:26:48.280
film. The famous wrestler was absolutely
shredded at the time with a six seven,

2021
02:26:48.360 --> 02:26:52.959
two and ninety five pound physique,
ninety five now and twenty four inch

2022
02:26:54.040 --> 02:26:58.319
biceps, so it was not too
surprise, not for a surprise that Hogan

2023
02:26:58.440 --> 02:27:01.840
wreaked some major havoc on the set, especially for the stunt men. So

2024
02:27:01.079 --> 02:27:05.559
here's stallone on Hogan, another flashback
and another reason why it's not such a

2025
02:27:05.600 --> 02:27:11.280
great idea to always do your own
stunts. I met Terry Blaya aka Thunderlips

2026
02:27:11.319 --> 02:27:13.959
aka Hulk Hogan in the very early
eighties when I was directing Rocky three.

2027
02:27:15.479 --> 02:27:18.360
At six feet seven and two hundred
ninety five pounds with twenty four inch biceps,

2028
02:27:18.559 --> 02:27:22.719
he was an amazing athlete, incredibly
powerful. I remember a violent move

2029
02:27:22.760 --> 02:27:26.920
where he threw me into the corner, charged across the ring like an enraged

2030
02:27:26.040 --> 02:27:31.719
bull, and leaped so amazingly high
above me that his shin bone actually came

2031
02:27:31.879 --> 02:27:37.440
down like a giant tree on my
collar bone. I tumbled to the floor.

2032
02:27:37.040 --> 02:27:39.360
I was afraid to look at my
shoulder for about ten minutes. I

2033
02:27:39.399 --> 02:27:43.440
said, don't roll me over,
don't move me, because I was sure

2034
02:27:43.479 --> 02:27:46.079
there was bone protruding through my upper
chest. Of course there wasn't, but

2035
02:27:46.159 --> 02:27:52.000
I have never felt such a mind
numbing pain from a massive hit before or

2036
02:27:52.159 --> 02:27:54.799
since. That day. Hulk just
didn't know his own strength, believe it

2037
02:27:54.879 --> 02:27:58.120
or not. When he jumped into
the audience to fight with the stunt men.

2038
02:27:58.440 --> 02:28:01.479
Three of them had to be treated
at the hospital great guy, great

2039
02:28:01.520 --> 02:28:03.920
friend. His presence made the film
very very special. Hulk, if you're

2040
02:28:03.959 --> 02:28:07.920
reading this, it was a privilege
to be mangled by such a gentleman.

2041
02:28:07.440 --> 02:28:13.879
Wow. And then on Tea he
posted again about mister t flying high now

2042
02:28:15.040 --> 02:28:16.799
so sorry to be back to go
back in time. But I've never seen

2043
02:28:16.840 --> 02:28:22.280
this one either, and it was
a photo photo that that I just thought

2044
02:28:22.280 --> 02:28:24.239
i'd share. This was from one
of the one of the fights during the

2045
02:28:24.280 --> 02:28:28.760
opening montage and Rocky three where we
were first introduced to the song I Have

2046
02:28:28.799 --> 02:28:31.000
a Tiger. This was a real
fighter who was paid to No. I

2047
02:28:31.079 --> 02:28:33.319
guess it wasn't about I don't know
why they said it was about Tea but

2048
02:28:33.479 --> 02:28:39.319
whatever, not about t I want
to make it really realistic. But but

2049
02:28:39.440 --> 02:28:46.600
I feel pretty I've actually felt bad
afterwards. So speaking of Iya the Tiger,

2050
02:28:48.239 --> 02:28:54.840
we've mentioned it several times, been
referenced by mister Stalone himself. Originally

2051
02:28:54.840 --> 02:28:58.959
Stallone wanted to use another one Bite
to the Dust from Queen as the fight

2052
02:29:00.479 --> 02:29:03.959
for Rocky three. Wow. Yeah, which you know, I don't.

2053
02:29:05.280 --> 02:29:07.959
I love Queen. I love another
one by the Dust, but I do

2054
02:29:07.120 --> 02:29:11.719
not think that that would have the
same impact. And thank goodness that they

2055
02:29:11.760 --> 02:29:18.399
wouldn't give him the rights. So
he approached the band Survivor, and much

2056
02:29:18.440 --> 02:29:22.840
in the way that Stallone recruited Hulk
Hogan, he left a message for the

2057
02:29:22.920 --> 02:29:26.799
band and they thought it was a
joke, but they called him back and

2058
02:29:26.840 --> 02:29:33.440
found out that it was legit.
Stallone answered the vote himself and they Stallone

2059
02:29:33.520 --> 02:29:35.159
sent them the opening montage of the
film to get them going, and then

2060
02:29:35.239 --> 02:29:39.600
eventually a copy of the finished film
that they had to return right away so

2061
02:29:39.719 --> 02:29:45.520
they could write the song, and
they watched when they were watching the movie,

2062
02:29:46.239 --> 02:29:50.200
they they saw that scene where Apollo
Creed says to rock that to Rocky

2063
02:29:50.239 --> 02:29:52.120
that he's losing the eye of the
tiger, and they're like, that's it.

2064
02:29:52.239 --> 02:29:56.440
That's the title right there, and
Survivor was on Yeah, and they

2065
02:29:56.440 --> 02:30:01.120
would go on to win a Grammy
for the song Another One Bites the Dust.

2066
02:30:01.200 --> 02:30:05.079
Actually, you know what, Wrestler
actually briefly came to the ring of

2067
02:30:05.120 --> 02:30:09.040
that music. Oh, who did
junk Yard Dog? Yes, that's right,

2068
02:30:09.559 --> 02:30:16.120
I didn't know that. Yep.
So now, principal photography for the

2069
02:30:16.239 --> 02:30:20.959
film began, as we talked about, May of nineteen eighty one, not

2070
02:30:20.319 --> 02:30:24.479
nineteen seventy nine. It's the whole
COVID. I believe you're wrong, brother,

2071
02:30:24.399 --> 02:30:28.799
Sorry, brother. So there's a
pretty famous scene the first time we're

2072
02:30:28.840 --> 02:30:35.399
really introduced, or the first time
that Rocky and clubber Lang go face to

2073
02:30:35.479 --> 02:30:45.159
face, is a scene where a
statue was revealed of Rocky, made to

2074
02:30:45.239 --> 02:30:48.520
honor him at the famous steps in
front of the Philadelphia Art Museum. However,

2075
02:30:50.639 --> 02:30:58.159
there was there was some controversy surrounding
this statue after the filming of the

2076
02:30:58.239 --> 02:31:01.559
movie from the United Press International Rocky
Balboa, star of the star character of

2077
02:31:01.600 --> 02:31:05.000
the movie Rocky may have brought fame
to the Philadelphia Art Museum, but the

2078
02:31:05.120 --> 02:31:09.120
museum doesn't want a permanent memorial to
the fictional boxer. Oh I thought you're

2079
02:31:09.120 --> 02:31:18.799
gonna say he was actually a Confederate
general. Great, but Rocky Balboa turns

2080
02:31:18.799 --> 02:31:26.040
out to be a Nazi. The
movie. The movie actually is what it

2081
02:31:26.120 --> 02:31:31.520
said. The movie featured Balbo played
by So Let's just alone, jogging up

2082
02:31:31.520 --> 02:31:35.760
the steps of the Art Museum and
raising his arms in victory as he reached

2083
02:31:35.799 --> 02:31:37.840
the top. Now, the makers
of Rocky one and its sequel, Rocky

2084
02:31:37.959 --> 02:31:43.040
two, are planning are planning to
begin filming Rocky three next month, and

2085
02:31:43.200 --> 02:31:46.799
part of the movie involves the use
of a ten foot high sculpture of Rocky

2086
02:31:46.440 --> 02:31:52.879
Arms raised in victory Victory on the
museum steps. Sculptor Tom Ready Schomberg,

2087
02:31:54.799 --> 02:31:58.319
Oh my God, said the Art
Commission has allowed the film crew to place

2088
02:31:58.399 --> 02:32:01.600
his statue on the steps for the
dration to the filming, but they don't

2089
02:32:01.760 --> 02:32:05.920
want it left there as a gift
to the museum. Afterwards, the commission

2090
02:32:05.040 --> 02:32:07.559
turned down the gift. Yeah,
Sloan was going to give it as a

2091
02:32:07.600 --> 02:32:11.680
gift. The Commission turned down the
gift, saying that the work might be

2092
02:32:11.760 --> 02:32:16.559
better suited for another location in the
city's park system. Some reports said that

2093
02:32:16.600 --> 02:32:22.879
the commission considered the piece a commercial
work immortalizing actor producer Stallone, rather than

2094
02:32:22.920 --> 02:32:28.040
a work of art. I think
it's a little embarrassing, said Schomberg,

2095
02:32:28.120 --> 02:32:33.000
thirty seven, a native of Sioux
Siu City, Iowa, on a recent

2096
02:32:33.120 --> 02:32:35.559
visit to the city. I went
home and the museum would judge my work

2097
02:32:35.600 --> 02:32:41.479
as a piece of art and not
as an actor's effigy. And the later

2098
02:32:41.559 --> 02:32:48.680
on the Associated Press added that the
museum suggested it should stand at Philadelphia's Spectrum

2099
02:32:48.719 --> 02:32:52.920
Sports Arena. Stallone reportedly became angry
when he read about the brew. Haha.

2100
02:32:54.840 --> 02:32:58.159
He didn't mean for the statue to
be crammed down anyone's throat, said

2101
02:32:58.159 --> 02:33:01.760
a named source quoted by The Bulletin
Wednesday. Whether it's whether it stays or

2102
02:33:01.879 --> 02:33:05.920
not doesn't matter to him. You
saw it go a you know, go

2103
02:33:07.120 --> 02:33:11.280
blow out of proportion. Salon said
it a news at conference Tuesday. You

2104
02:33:11.319 --> 02:33:13.280
know basically was a prop built.
No no, uh, basically it was

2105
02:33:13.280 --> 02:33:16.000
a prop built for the movies.
You know, we already made plans to

2106
02:33:16.040 --> 02:33:20.440
take it back to California and put
it up there. City representative Richard Durand

2107
02:33:20.479 --> 02:33:24.840
said he was surprised at the actor
planning and repossessed the statue. If they

2108
02:33:24.879 --> 02:33:28.719
would reconsider it, we would be
delighted to have it. And this little

2109
02:33:28.920 --> 02:33:35.159
war waged throughout the entire summer after
the movie. Wait yeah, after the

2110
02:33:35.200 --> 02:33:41.159
movie was shot, and in September
of eighty one, the United Press road

2111
02:33:41.200 --> 02:33:46.120
it's a statue, but is it
art? The statue in crash question is

2112
02:33:46.159 --> 02:33:50.200
one of SILVESTERI Salone's Rocky as Rocky
three, Rocky the Third, not Rocky

2113
02:33:50.280 --> 02:33:56.879
Junior, No Rocky Senior. Rocky
here huh getting my postmodernism. Yeah.

2114
02:33:58.280 --> 02:34:01.000
The actor unveiled his likeness to May
on the steps of the Philadelphia Museum of

2115
02:34:01.120 --> 02:34:03.680
Art, the same steps he ran
up in Triumph. At the end of

2116
02:34:03.719 --> 02:34:07.600
the movie Rocky. The city's Art
commission said it couldn't stay on the steps,

2117
02:34:07.639 --> 02:34:11.159
so Stalone took it home to Hollywood. Now, city Councilman James tay

2118
02:34:11.239 --> 02:34:16.879
Yune says, unless the Art Commission
changed its arbitrary and capricious vert is a

2119
02:34:16.920 --> 02:34:24.120
capricious cp capri SIUs capricious, capricious
verdict. He'll propose and ordinance the city

2120
02:34:24.159 --> 02:34:28.120
except the statue saloon, wrote tay
Youune guaranteed the return of the statue free

2121
02:34:28.159 --> 02:34:33.120
of freight charges. Is the commission
art Commission reconsiders its previous decision. Art

2122
02:34:33.200 --> 02:34:39.479
museum officials had no comment, so
I think. In seventy two, the

2123
02:34:39.559 --> 02:34:43.680
American architect Robert Venturi formulated the postmodern
creed when he said Disney World is nearer

2124
02:34:43.840 --> 02:34:48.479
to what people want than what architects
have ever given them. Disneyland is the

2125
02:34:48.520 --> 02:34:52.719
symbolic American utopia. Correct. Venturi
says we should learn from Las Vegas from

2126
02:34:52.719 --> 02:34:56.319
local street architecture, which grows up
organically and unplanned. It's what people really

2127
02:34:56.920 --> 02:35:03.000
like. In place of utilateral glass
boxes, Pomo architecture offers the vernacular,

2128
02:35:03.200 --> 02:35:07.600
an emphasis on the local and particular, as opposed to modernist universalism. This

2129
02:35:07.760 --> 02:35:11.959
means a return to ornament with references
to the historic past and its symbolism,

2130
02:35:11.200 --> 02:35:16.760
but in the ironic manner of parody, pastiche and quotation. Definitely, that's

2131
02:35:16.840 --> 02:35:20.920
the Rocky statue. To me,
pastiche is without a doubt, it is

2132
02:35:20.120 --> 02:35:26.719
pomo in a box. That's what
it is. Love it. Venturi says

2133
02:35:26.760 --> 02:35:33.000
it's art, and Venturi is right. Pomo is always right correct. That's

2134
02:35:33.079 --> 02:35:39.639
postmodern right there, that's right,
be right as postmodern. So a random

2135
02:35:39.719 --> 02:35:45.159
citizen started, actually started a petition
to return the statue, believe it or

2136
02:35:45.159 --> 02:35:50.680
not, and indeed, finally it
was returned to the steps of the museum

2137
02:35:50.879 --> 02:35:56.159
for two weeks to celebrate the premiere
of Rocky three. Then it did move

2138
02:35:56.200 --> 02:36:01.159
to the Spectrum for a number of
years before moving to its fine to then

2139
02:36:01.280 --> 02:36:07.079
moving it for at the Spectrum for
a number of years before moving to its

2140
02:36:07.159 --> 02:36:16.440
final resting place, the Philadelphia City
Dump. Kiddy kidding, I'm totally yeah.

2141
02:36:16.479 --> 02:36:18.920
It actually rests at the foot of
the Rocky steps, So instead of

2142
02:36:18.959 --> 02:36:22.719
at the top where it is in
the movie, it's at the bottom,

2143
02:36:22.280 --> 02:36:28.639
got it. And besides Philadelphia,
they did shoot in other areas of the

2144
02:36:28.680 --> 02:36:35.079
country New York, Nevada, Los
Angeles before wrapping in August of eighty one.

2145
02:36:35.680 --> 02:36:39.680
Now, for as I mentioned before, for promoting the film, despite

2146
02:36:39.760 --> 02:36:45.600
t being the antagonist of the film, Hogan steals the spotlight. No surprise

2147
02:36:45.639 --> 02:36:52.000
there. And like I said before, they had this this same fucking picture

2148
02:36:52.239 --> 02:36:56.959
that that that initial face off,
a promo, a promotional still of that

2149
02:36:56.799 --> 02:37:05.200
Hogan stallone face off, and uh, all all over newspapers. It was

2150
02:37:05.200 --> 02:37:09.280
actually kind of annoying because every time
that I'm looking, I'm thinking that it's

2151
02:37:09.280 --> 02:37:13.000
going to be a story, and
it's just the same fucking thing, the

2152
02:37:13.079 --> 02:37:20.280
same fucking thing. And it usually
had a caption like like this Anywhere he

2153
02:37:20.600 --> 02:37:24.680
wants is the answer to the question
where does Thunderlips sleep? So Lester Saloon

2154
02:37:24.719 --> 02:37:28.760
looks up with a huge hulk of
a man whose real name is hul Cogan,

2155
02:37:28.079 --> 02:37:31.559
but to share a scene in the
film Rocky three, which is due

2156
02:37:31.559 --> 02:37:39.600
for release shortly, and it's like, where's tea where the fuck is Tea

2157
02:37:39.799 --> 02:37:45.600
not amazing? Yep, Like the
main focus is Hogan and Stallone, And

2158
02:37:46.479 --> 02:37:48.479
uh, I'm thinking, mister T
made Hulk Cogan famous. It seems to

2159
02:37:48.520 --> 02:37:50.479
be the opposite. Yeah, in
a weird way. It kind of is

2160
02:37:50.559 --> 02:37:56.399
like it's like it's it's kind of
like it's kind of like Batman, you

2161
02:37:56.520 --> 02:38:01.079
know, like you made me,
but I made you for first, you

2162
02:38:01.120 --> 02:38:03.920
know, from that line and then
you know, and and and then in

2163
02:38:03.000 --> 02:38:11.840
the movie. But uh yeah,
so uh pretty fucking crazy and uh you

2164
02:38:11.920 --> 02:38:16.040
know, I actually did you know, I did hear that Hogan? You

2165
02:38:16.120 --> 02:38:20.319
know, brother, you know he
doesn't lose in in the movie. He

2166
02:38:20.399 --> 02:38:24.360
doesn't, Josh. I was just
thinking, dude, Yeah, okay,

2167
02:38:24.879 --> 02:38:26.239
what are you thinking? Man?
Well, you know, brother, I'm

2168
02:38:26.239 --> 02:38:30.600
thinking, dude, I'm thinking maybe
you know I listen, you're the screenwriter.

2169
02:38:30.680 --> 02:38:33.760
Brother. I don't want to up
anyone chose dude. What I'm thinking

2170
02:38:33.799 --> 02:38:37.879
Brother, instead of you winning,
And I think that a better idea,

2171
02:38:39.000 --> 02:38:41.680
Brother, would be for me to
beat you. Dude. What do you

2172
02:38:41.680 --> 02:38:43.879
think of that? Brother? Well, you know, I don't know.

2173
02:38:45.040 --> 02:38:48.639
You know the you know, the
movie is really about Rocky and Club Lane.

2174
02:38:48.680 --> 02:38:50.040
You know that I don't know if
we can do you know, if

2175
02:38:50.079 --> 02:38:52.040
I beat you, if you beat
me, and then what is that?

2176
02:38:52.200 --> 02:38:54.920
You know, where do we leave
from there? You know? All my

2177
02:38:54.280 --> 02:38:56.639
fight you again? You know what
what you know what we what are we

2178
02:38:56.680 --> 02:38:58.959
going to do with that? When
I get my well, dude, I'm

2179
02:39:00.040 --> 02:39:03.000
goes on thinking, brother, just
bear with me, dude. What if

2180
02:39:03.120 --> 02:39:05.920
brother? You know, I'm just
saying that this could be kind of we

2181
02:39:05.959 --> 02:39:09.520
can kind of creating a whole like
kind of branching out with the franchise,

2182
02:39:09.600 --> 02:39:13.239
dude, And what if brother,
I beat you, dude, and then

2183
02:39:13.959 --> 02:39:18.600
I win the boxing championship, brother
by beating you in the wrestling match.

2184
02:39:18.719 --> 02:39:24.639
Dude. Well you know yeah,
well you know, I I see you

2185
02:39:24.719 --> 02:39:28.559
know, I see where you're going
with that. By the movie is called

2186
02:39:28.639 --> 02:39:31.559
Rocky, It's not called Thunderlips.
You know, you know you know what

2187
02:39:31.639 --> 02:39:33.280
I mean, Brother, I know
that, dude. But well again,

2188
02:39:33.360 --> 02:39:41.200
what I'm thinking is change the movie, dude, Thunderlips underneath that Rocky three.

2189
02:39:41.239 --> 02:39:43.360
See what I'm saying, their brother, So it's got both, dude.

2190
02:39:43.719 --> 02:39:48.319
And then I go and I beat
Clever Lang brother twice, so you

2191
02:39:48.399 --> 02:39:50.680
have that. You keep the whole
script the same, brother, But I

2192
02:39:50.719 --> 02:39:54.520
said to you, losing dude.
I beat him the first time, brother,

2193
02:39:54.520 --> 02:39:56.559
because there's no way he's gonna beat
me, dude. And then I

2194
02:39:56.639 --> 02:39:58.399
beat him again, brother, and
then we build the rematch, dude,

2195
02:39:58.520 --> 02:40:03.079
the rema between Rocky and Thunderlips.
Brother, that would be maybe, you

2196
02:40:03.159 --> 02:40:07.440
know, maybe like you could do
maybe like Rocky seven. Brother. You

2197
02:40:07.520 --> 02:40:11.600
know, did you have these other
movies that are focused on Thunderlips Dude to

2198
02:40:11.680 --> 02:40:16.799
build the rematch? Brother? Well
you know, yeah, I get that,

2199
02:40:16.959 --> 02:40:18.040
Holt, but you know that's not
the way the movies. You know,

2200
02:40:18.200 --> 02:40:20.159
movies work. You kind of want
to wrap it up, you know,

2201
02:40:22.040 --> 02:40:24.600
and things. Brother, I know, dude, listen to understand long

2202
02:40:24.719 --> 02:40:28.520
term thinking. Brother. You know, I'm in the wrestling business. Dude.

2203
02:40:28.760 --> 02:40:30.719
Yeah, I know, I know. But you know this isn't this

2204
02:40:30.760 --> 02:40:35.319
is a movie you know, not
doing you know, you know, Brother,

2205
02:40:35.479 --> 02:40:37.840
Listen, Dude, I'm telling you, dude, this is the way

2206
02:40:37.840 --> 02:40:41.920
it's going to be. Brother.
We can do this. Yeah, okay,

2207
02:40:43.120 --> 02:40:48.520
all right, yeah brother, that's
how it happened. Well, you

2208
02:40:48.600 --> 02:40:58.040
know there was discussions that way.
Again, he does not lose door.

2209
02:40:58.120 --> 02:41:01.840
A door was closed. The the
guy that managed Hogan at the beginning of

2210
02:41:01.840 --> 02:41:07.680
the w A I'm remembering now Johnny
Valiant and then they yes, so he

2211
02:41:07.799 --> 02:41:09.479
was a heel and but he was
still getting baby face reactions at the studio

2212
02:41:09.520 --> 02:41:15.559
tapings. I'm seeing here in the
wrestling classes. He is a he is

2213
02:41:15.680 --> 02:41:22.760
a Hall of Famer. H There
we go. So, as I mentioned

2214
02:41:22.760 --> 02:41:28.479
before, there was a there was
this behind the scenes featurette that uh I

2215
02:41:28.559 --> 02:41:37.159
presume air on television and they had
this uh major focus on Hogan and so

2216
02:41:37.440 --> 02:41:43.760
here I'm gonna play some uh oh
what is that? Yeah, I'm gonna

2217
02:41:43.799 --> 02:41:48.440
play this bit here. There is
a new addition to the team of actors

2218
02:41:48.520 --> 02:41:54.479
for Rocky three and Thunder, played
by world champion wrestler Hogan. I'll get

2219
02:41:54.559 --> 02:42:05.159
something else. He's for real.
He's a ferocious, bugging individual. Here's

2220
02:42:05.200 --> 02:42:13.639
the strongest individual I've ever seen.
I never caught like a dark Just watch

2221
02:42:13.719 --> 02:42:22.959
sick, tough individual. Tough tough
Sea is the culmination of every bad practical

2222
02:42:24.120 --> 02:42:28.680
joke that ever lived. Calls the
culmination of every bad practical joke that ever

2223
02:42:30.120 --> 02:42:33.559
ever lived. Well, I mean
all the things to say about him.

2224
02:42:33.600 --> 02:42:41.440
You say he's for real's no way, man, he's for fake. Here

2225
02:42:41.479 --> 02:42:46.399
I'm going to show you. Uh, I'm going to share my screen with

2226
02:42:46.559 --> 02:42:52.520
you. Sorry, everybody else who
can't be shared with? How did I

2227
02:42:52.600 --> 02:42:56.000
do this before? I did this
last time? No, not add files?

2228
02:42:56.079 --> 02:43:03.799
How do I hold on? Here
we go, share a screen and

2229
02:43:05.879 --> 02:43:13.639
yeah, can you see my screen? Can you see me? You got

2230
02:43:13.680 --> 02:43:28.280
this? Yes? All right?
Here we go And then this is up

2231
02:43:28.440 --> 02:43:31.879
brings out bringing down the ball in
sy I don't need that fucking music.

2232
02:43:31.959 --> 02:43:37.319
Sorry, And you got this.
This is complexing slide. This is this

2233
02:43:37.440 --> 02:43:39.200
is behind the scenes stuff slides in
this yellow out for there's fucking burgess.

2234
02:43:39.200 --> 02:43:46.639
Meredith there and m they're they're doing
all these movies. See Hogan coming down

2235
02:43:46.879 --> 02:43:50.719
like, yeah, it's great stuff. Yeah, pretty cool. And the

2236
02:43:50.799 --> 02:43:56.520
camera lens behind the lens. I
didn't know they were doing these behind the

2237
02:43:56.559 --> 02:43:58.959
scenes featurette, so I thought that
was like a DVD era innovation. They

2238
02:44:00.120 --> 02:44:03.760
were definitely new. They were definitely
new. But you can see Hogan here.

2239
02:44:05.719 --> 02:44:09.520
Uh, it's actually footed from the
film. Now. Yeah, I

2240
02:44:09.559 --> 02:44:13.520
was gonna say this looks rather polished. But you saw Hogan practicing with a

2241
02:44:13.559 --> 02:44:16.559
T shirt on and an empty arena. That was pretty cool and watching them

2242
02:44:16.559 --> 02:44:18.639
practice. But look at the sides
of him. Look at Hogan, He's

2243
02:44:18.799 --> 02:44:24.680
huge. Well, like the money
shot is slies, like eyebrows being at

2244
02:44:24.719 --> 02:44:31.079
Hogan's chest, exactly massive. It's
the height Hogan. You know, he's

2245
02:44:31.159 --> 02:44:37.600
obviously massive, but he's deceptively tall. The real thing that is it,

2246
02:44:37.760 --> 02:44:39.399
That is a real thing. So
yeah, there's the making of very cool.

2247
02:44:39.520 --> 02:44:48.280
Thanks for that and stop sharing.
Uh. And then also another interview

2248
02:44:48.959 --> 02:44:58.239
where mister stallone does talk about mister
thunder Lips. He becomes so you might

2249
02:44:58.319 --> 02:45:03.319
say public oriented, a big charity
worker. You might say Bob Hope wearing

2250
02:45:03.399 --> 02:45:09.280
boxing gloves. He is that kindly. He is a big charity worker.

2251
02:45:09.920 --> 02:45:15.159
He wrestles. He fights a giant
wrestler, a seventh foot man named Haul

2252
02:45:15.280 --> 02:45:18.559
Cogan, who is an extraordinary creature
who we fight in the ring. And

2253
02:45:18.639 --> 02:45:22.959
it's just for charity. And what
turns out, what started out as a

2254
02:45:22.680 --> 02:45:28.600
match to raise money for children turns
into a war. I mean everything's he's

2255
02:45:28.840 --> 02:45:33.559
backfiring on him, he's losing control
of it. Very cool. Yeah,

2256
02:45:35.159 --> 02:45:39.559
And then you know, but mister
T did get to shine. And also

2257
02:45:39.600 --> 02:45:43.239
also I want to say this,
mister T got a lot of great press

2258
02:45:43.879 --> 02:45:46.639
from it because he everyone thought that
he was one of the best parts of

2259
02:45:46.680 --> 02:45:54.680
the movie because of his Yeah,
I know exactly, And so he did

2260
02:45:54.760 --> 02:45:58.120
get to the shine on Letterman promoting
the film, and what a fucking interview.

2261
02:45:58.760 --> 02:46:01.520
Why yeah, fucking I'm gonna give
you a couple of brief clips.

2262
02:46:01.559 --> 02:46:07.600
But it is worth it is worth
finding it and watching it because t.

2263
02:46:07.200 --> 02:46:11.840
I don't know if this is mister
T or if he is fucking working David

2264
02:46:11.920 --> 02:46:15.440
Letterman, because it is on I
think I know which one. Yeah,

2265
02:46:15.760 --> 02:46:20.879
yeah, it is fucking Monney.
Here we go. You were so frightening

2266
02:46:20.959 --> 02:46:24.479
in that motion picture. And have
you acted before or was that just you

2267
02:46:24.680 --> 02:46:30.399
we were watching there? Well,
the character calls to be hungry, and

2268
02:46:30.440 --> 02:46:31.840
I've been hungry all my life,
so one of the problem. That's why

2269
02:46:31.920 --> 02:46:37.040
what he's combat boots, because it's
symbolic of my struggle. I'm born in

2270
02:46:37.120 --> 02:46:39.799
the ghetto and raised on welfare.
So that's what sort of the character was

2271
02:46:39.799 --> 02:46:45.159
about. How the people mistake him
for being mean and hateful. He don't

2272
02:46:45.200 --> 02:46:48.680
hate, He's just hunger. He'd
been pushed aside so long. Here he's

2273
02:46:48.719 --> 02:46:50.159
the number one challenging untill he don't
get a shot at the title. So

2274
02:46:50.239 --> 02:46:54.120
that makes a guy mad TCB.
I believe in taking care of business.

2275
02:46:54.200 --> 02:46:56.799
I came here to do the show. Mister T does not light some weight

2276
02:46:56.920 --> 02:47:03.079
for nothing. Yeah nobody, Well, let me just apologize for any inconvenience,

2277
02:47:03.120 --> 02:47:07.239
and we're glad that you didn't.
Again, did you hate till you

2278
02:47:07.280 --> 02:47:11.760
got two more? It's okay.
It's okay because he's paying me for it,

2279
02:47:11.840 --> 02:47:13.520
So it's all right. That's right. Your name? First of all,

2280
02:47:13.639 --> 02:47:16.799
is that your real name? Or
if Pope John Paul the second was

2281
02:47:16.840 --> 02:47:20.239
coming with yes, him, what's
his real name? Was? Well,

2282
02:47:20.600 --> 02:47:26.040
uh, but you have to it's
an interesting name, mister T. Right,

2283
02:47:26.079 --> 02:47:30.239
Well, I changed it because I
wasn't given respect before. You know,

2284
02:47:30.280 --> 02:47:33.840
people have a tendency always constantly call
a man boy for what reason.

2285
02:47:33.879 --> 02:47:35.840
I don't know why, you know, So I changed my name and mister

2286
02:47:35.879 --> 02:47:37.280
T so the first word out of
everybody in mouth we missed a sign of

2287
02:47:37.360 --> 02:47:41.159
respect. Do you have a first
name? My first name is mister,

2288
02:47:41.319 --> 02:47:46.719
My middle name is that period,
my last name is. Who are some

2289
02:47:46.760 --> 02:47:50.959
of the people that you are currently
guarding? Well for your most recent client?

2290
02:47:52.760 --> 02:48:01.520
You know, yes I do.
Oh, but how did you get

2291
02:48:01.559 --> 02:48:03.920
the job? I mean, there's
plenty of hungry folks here. But yeah,

2292
02:48:03.959 --> 02:48:05.399
well you got to you know,
when it was being telligent, see

2293
02:48:05.399 --> 02:48:07.879
what do you see? I knew
I could act a long time ago,

2294
02:48:07.920 --> 02:48:11.200
when I was in first grade.
My teacher he's always telling me, I

2295
02:48:11.319 --> 02:48:13.879
don't you stop acting the food,
stop acting the cloud. I knew how

2296
02:48:13.920 --> 02:48:16.520
to act the who would act the
clown. I haven't acted anything, you

2297
02:48:16.559 --> 02:48:20.120
know what I mean? And I've
been acting all my life. Is just

2298
02:48:20.200 --> 02:48:26.280
that now people begin to pay me
for it. And you all right,

2299
02:48:28.079 --> 02:48:31.799
so they've been paying mister I love
it. That's great. You know,

2300
02:48:33.520 --> 02:48:37.200
he certainly continues to get paid to
act like a clown. You're damn right.

2301
02:48:37.520 --> 02:48:39.719
Sway, a couple more years a
ballt, you'll get it. He'll

2302
02:48:39.760 --> 02:48:43.799
be a real fucking Carni worker.
My question is he had a name before

2303
02:48:43.920 --> 02:48:48.440
mister T. Yes, and they
called him boy? Yes? Now can't

2304
02:48:48.440 --> 02:48:52.280
they still call him boy even though
he changed his names? It is kind

2305
02:48:52.280 --> 02:48:54.959
of funny, like yeah, like
if they you know, boy, they

2306
02:48:54.000 --> 02:48:58.680
didn't call you boy, Lawrence to
row, you know, it implies that

2307
02:48:58.760 --> 02:49:01.559
his first name used to be boy, right, I don't think I don't

2308
02:49:01.559 --> 02:49:05.360
think he fixed it. I don't
fix some problem there. But nonetheless I

2309
02:49:05.440 --> 02:49:09.559
get what he was going for absolutely, as do I. But now,

2310
02:49:09.639 --> 02:49:11.280
yeah, that is tremendous. You
can see how somebody with that kind of

2311
02:49:13.319 --> 02:49:16.399
that kind of quick wit on television
in the mid early eighties, Like,

2312
02:49:16.520 --> 02:49:20.319
oh fuck, yeah, that's just
different. Yes, you know, like

2313
02:49:20.600 --> 02:49:24.079
yes, like also not afraid to
be himself, like with his in you

2314
02:49:24.159 --> 02:49:26.479
know, his intense look and his
hair cutt and everything to be on Letterman

2315
02:49:26.559 --> 02:49:28.600
back then, Oh man, it
was so much easier to get over.

2316
02:49:28.840 --> 02:49:31.120
It was harder to get the chance
to get over. Yeah, but god

2317
02:49:31.200 --> 02:49:33.120
damn it, when you had a
shot, you had a show, Yeah,

2318
02:49:33.319 --> 02:49:37.000
like you know, you could get
over in one night. But let's

2319
02:49:37.280 --> 02:49:41.760
let's also remember that Letterman is on
the twelve thirty slot, all right,

2320
02:49:41.879 --> 02:49:46.719
he's on the later slot. Bulch, Stallone and Hogan were on the earlier

2321
02:49:46.040 --> 02:49:52.079
slot, the Tonight Show with the
bigger host Johnny Carson. Film. Wow,

2322
02:49:52.360 --> 02:49:54.440
I'm just gonna come out and say
it, but that sounds like some

2323
02:49:54.600 --> 02:50:00.399
systemic racism going on. You got
tea going on. T he also not

2324
02:50:00.520 --> 02:50:03.159
being the focus of the fucking yeah
the photo, you know, like there's

2325
02:50:03.200 --> 02:50:07.399
some shit going on here, Like
I don't know, but nonetheless it happened,

2326
02:50:07.440 --> 02:50:11.959
and you know, T certainly held
his own and he came out better

2327
02:50:11.040 --> 02:50:16.520
for it. But stallone, like
we talked about before, they wanted to

2328
02:50:16.600 --> 02:50:20.440
hire real boxers, and he get
a chance to talk about it on the

2329
02:50:20.520 --> 02:50:26.399
Tonight Show with Johnny Carson, got
one. Yes, you're right, yes,

2330
02:50:26.680 --> 02:50:28.799
oh yes, yes, I'm doing
it. No'm I gonna go at

2331
02:50:28.799 --> 02:50:33.959
the beginning. So this time,
wouldn't it be interesting to take a real

2332
02:50:33.040 --> 02:50:37.799
fighter and bring him into the film
because I need a new opponent at the

2333
02:50:37.920 --> 02:50:41.680
end, and just teach him how
to act a little a little bit.

2334
02:50:41.719 --> 02:50:43.280
That'll say a lot of time.
So the first one is Ernie Shavers,

2335
02:50:43.360 --> 02:50:48.840
now Ernie Shavers as I don't know, fifty nine fights, about fifty six

2336
02:50:48.959 --> 02:50:52.760
knockouts. Well, I got into
the ring with him, and after a

2337
02:50:52.760 --> 02:50:56.920
while you begin to believe, you
know, I'm pretty hot. Yeah,

2338
02:50:56.959 --> 02:51:01.040
oh yeah, I'm hot. Okay. He hit me on the old bow

2339
02:51:01.079 --> 02:51:07.520
and knocked my window. Hit me
here, you've got a concussion. Then

2340
02:51:07.559 --> 02:51:11.159
he got me in the corner.
He looked at me and there was a

2341
02:51:11.239 --> 02:51:16.920
certain voracious hunger, like I was
a tea bone steak and he has all

2342
02:51:16.120 --> 02:51:20.760
been marooned on an island for years. And he proceeds like seventeen body punches

2343
02:51:20.799 --> 02:51:26.360
and I and I said, do
I what is that screeching in the background

2344
02:51:26.360 --> 02:51:33.120
as the producer saying save my boy? There he goes he's a professional.

2345
02:51:33.159 --> 02:51:35.760
But he was great. He was
great, and I thought he really hit,

2346
02:51:37.000 --> 02:51:39.559
really good. So I said,
maybe I'll go to someone a little

2347
02:51:39.680 --> 02:51:45.799
easier. Joe Fraser. True,
We're in the ring and we're boxing.

2348
02:51:45.840 --> 02:51:50.319
All of a sudden, I feel
something warm. This just can't be nerves.

2349
02:51:50.559 --> 02:51:52.680
What is it? And I look
up and I said, either I'm

2350
02:51:52.719 --> 02:51:58.319
bleeding or someone who's just dumped marmalade
on my head. It was all red

2351
02:51:58.360 --> 02:52:03.120
and what it was was just a
quick little butt. There was accidental and

2352
02:52:03.360 --> 02:52:05.559
I said, here, I am
one man dead. I'm bleeding. We

2353
02:52:05.639 --> 02:52:09.760
haven't even got the We haven't got
haven't passed the audition yet. Three and

2354
02:52:09.799 --> 02:52:11.399
a half or four minutes. And
it really is funny. It really is

2355
02:52:11.639 --> 02:52:18.120
direct. It's easy for you,
easy for me. We had to get

2356
02:52:18.159 --> 02:52:20.399
that guy on the show, what's
his name? Well have seen cold?

2357
02:52:22.600 --> 02:52:24.280
Yeah, he's a very good shape. And then this comes out and it's

2358
02:52:24.360 --> 02:52:30.360
like he's on his dimensions live or
not. He his arms are twenty four

2359
02:52:30.399 --> 02:52:35.360
inches around, might die twenty one, okay. His chest is sixty two

2360
02:52:37.440 --> 02:52:41.239
around the shoulders, it's close to
seventy inches around. That's a large that's

2361
02:52:41.239 --> 02:52:43.760
a large piction. I mean it's
large eyes. His neck is twenty three

2362
02:52:48.000 --> 02:52:56.440
and he eats five ten Italian.
He sure dies with me. That person

2363
02:52:56.680 --> 02:53:01.200
in this picture really really caught one. Yes, you're right, yes,

2364
02:53:01.440 --> 02:53:05.600
oh yes. Uh usually was my
fault the hulk here. The only time

2365
02:53:05.719 --> 02:53:09.879
he hurt me is when I when
he would there's a lot of falls that

2366
02:53:09.959 --> 02:53:13.040
go on. I'd leave my arm
out and I'd forget and he'd land on

2367
02:53:13.120 --> 02:53:16.159
it, and then I'd bring it
back and it would be a postage stand

2368
02:53:16.040 --> 02:53:24.040
a big pancake. That's awesome.
It's so funny that he said, you

2369
02:53:24.120 --> 02:53:26.200
know, I'm gonna go look for
some real fighters and make them actors.

2370
02:53:26.520 --> 02:53:30.239
Right. He ends up with yeah, right, right, ends up with

2371
02:53:31.079 --> 02:53:35.719
how you do the cut of the
opposite. But you kind of got actors

2372
02:53:35.760 --> 02:53:41.200
and taught him to be fighters the
sad previously. So I guess there was

2373
02:53:41.239 --> 02:53:46.319
a two. There was a thing. So uh was Ernie Shavers when he

2374
02:53:46.479 --> 02:53:52.840
was doing it? I guess he
his his voice was too high, Okay,

2375
02:53:54.040 --> 02:53:56.639
is Ernie Shavers? I don't know
Ernie Shavers at all. I mean

2376
02:53:56.680 --> 02:54:00.399
I know him probab about his voice
something like that. I think his voice

2377
02:54:00.520 --> 02:54:03.799
was too high. And then Frasier
just couldn't fucking memorize shit. You couldn't

2378
02:54:03.799 --> 02:54:07.680
remember anything, I believe, So
they just didn't They didn't work well.

2379
02:54:07.760 --> 02:54:11.239
And so then he comes in and
fucking has it all and he's not even

2380
02:54:11.239 --> 02:54:16.799
a real fighter, much like Hulk
Hogan. So somebody said marmalade too,

2381
02:54:18.319 --> 02:54:20.719
huh, Like what who the fuck
is marmalade? I know, right,

2382
02:54:20.200 --> 02:54:22.920
Jesus Christ? So is the last
time you heard that one? Some guy

2383
02:54:24.000 --> 02:54:26.159
grew up in a mom's kitchen.
That's like, could you go to the

2384
02:54:26.200 --> 02:54:31.680
fucking corner store? Can you go
down in a store and get me a

2385
02:54:31.840 --> 02:54:37.440
jar of marmalade? But again to
your ply, he could have used anything.

2386
02:54:37.479 --> 02:54:39.840
He could have used you know,
warm rain or something. No food,

2387
02:54:41.760 --> 02:54:45.559
yeah, fucking piss whatever. Tomato
sauce would have been better. Well

2388
02:54:45.639 --> 02:54:48.200
yeah, well that would have food
too. But it's all about food,

2389
02:54:48.239 --> 02:54:52.520
and it's that simple, it really
is. Fucking you know, Ernie Shavers

2390
02:54:52.600 --> 02:54:58.120
thought he was a steak, so
hulk Hogan eats small Italian men, so

2391
02:54:58.000 --> 02:55:03.959
small Italian sub large Italian subs.
Actually small Italian men, large Italian subs,

2392
02:55:05.479 --> 02:55:24.399
very different. It's so fucking stupid. It's just like I thinks we're

2393
02:55:24.440 --> 02:55:31.319
in Jersey Mics, you know,
like these run of the mill like Italians

2394
02:55:31.079 --> 02:55:39.840
with the season on the stupid go
ahead. Sorry, right, so you

2395
02:55:39.920 --> 02:55:45.559
know we did we we actually covered
this Hogan in the Carson Show. Uh

2396
02:55:46.920 --> 02:55:48.920
but before we get he did.
He does talk a little bit about it

2397
02:55:48.959 --> 02:55:54.040
in the Hollywood Hogan book. Yeah, Sylvester Stallone was going around promoting Rocky

2398
02:55:54.120 --> 02:55:56.920
three, and of course he wound
up on the Tonight Show. In those

2399
02:55:56.959 --> 02:56:00.600
days, Johnny Carson was the host
of the Tonight Show and he asked about

2400
02:56:00.600 --> 02:56:03.280
the wrestling the movie. He's grit, He's great, Carson said, who

2401
02:56:03.399 --> 02:56:07.319
is he? Sloane wanted to talk
about how many hours it took to film

2402
02:56:07.399 --> 02:56:09.879
Rocky three and how good all the
boxing swingen scenes were, but Carson kept

2403
02:56:09.920 --> 02:56:13.280
backing about the wrestler. True he
didn't, but you know, I mean

2404
02:56:13.319 --> 02:56:18.520
he did, but you know not. It seemed like he wanted to talk

2405
02:56:18.559 --> 02:56:22.159
about Hogan more than slide did Yeah, I guess, but I think he

2406
02:56:22.200 --> 02:56:24.840
was fine with it. But he
probably asked like three or four times.

2407
02:56:24.879 --> 02:56:28.799
It was pretty funny. And after
that, when Stallone went on on the

2408
02:56:28.879 --> 02:56:33.200
Today Show and the other talk shows
to promote Rocky three, he didn't bring

2409
02:56:33.280 --> 02:56:35.840
up the subject of Thunderlips the wrestler. He didn't want me to overshadow the

2410
02:56:35.879 --> 02:56:39.559
rest of the movie. Meanwhile,
Johnny Carson called up the firm that was

2411
02:56:39.600 --> 02:56:43.159
hired to promote the movie and asked
them about Thunderlips. He drove them so

2412
02:56:43.319 --> 02:56:46.200
crazy they finally hunted me down and
put me in touch with the Tonight Show.

2413
02:56:46.799 --> 02:56:50.280
Before I knew it, I was
sitting backstage in the green room getting

2414
02:56:50.280 --> 02:56:52.639
ready to go on with Johnny Carson. I was wearing a black silk tank

2415
02:56:52.719 --> 02:56:56.600
top. Nope, it was red, which was good because you couldn't see

2416
02:56:56.600 --> 02:57:01.520
the bands of sweat under my pecks
red red shirt. Pal, I was

2417
02:57:01.200 --> 02:57:07.079
why lie, like I can see
misremembering the color shirt you had on if

2418
02:57:07.159 --> 02:57:11.040
asked? But why volunteer? Right? A fague detail. Not only that

2419
02:57:11.440 --> 02:57:16.479
I don't understand, not only say
black, but talking about the sweats under

2420
02:57:16.520 --> 02:57:20.600
your tits, like right, talk
about the reason you remember it was black

2421
02:57:20.639 --> 02:57:22.760
when it wasn't black, right,
what's he hide in there? I mean,

2422
02:57:22.799 --> 02:57:26.319
I don't think he was even I
didn't notice the sweat when I wanted.

2423
02:57:26.879 --> 02:57:28.200
I was real nervous. I think
it's it's either red or blue.

2424
02:57:28.360 --> 02:57:33.000
I don't remember, but it's definitely
not black, that's for sure. But

2425
02:57:33.120 --> 02:57:35.520
Carson, I was real nervous.
But Carson came backstage and was really funny.

2426
02:57:35.879 --> 02:57:37.959
I guess he was trying to loosen
me up because he wanted a good

2427
02:57:37.959 --> 02:57:41.719
performance from me, and he got
one. He said, hey, man,

2428
02:57:41.799 --> 02:57:43.639
when you're home, what do you
do in your spare time? I

2429
02:57:43.760 --> 02:57:46.600
said, I, you know,
a Golu voice. Brother. Then he

2430
02:57:46.959 --> 02:57:50.680
nails and spit lightning and crap thunder
or something like that. I don't remember

2431
02:57:50.719 --> 02:57:54.159
that at all. But Carson was
at the top of his game. He

2432
02:57:54.239 --> 02:57:56.040
treated me with a lot of respect. He made me feel comfortable out there.

2433
02:57:56.520 --> 02:57:58.840
And it's funny. You can see
Hogan's nervous. I don't know if

2434
02:57:58.840 --> 02:58:03.760
you remember that from h but he's
got his hands classed together almost the entire

2435
02:58:03.840 --> 02:58:09.040
interview, like rubbing them together,
like like very very not Hulk Hogan.

2436
02:58:09.760 --> 02:58:11.959
You know, it's so interesting to
see him do that. I was his

2437
02:58:13.040 --> 02:58:15.159
first guest that night. After I
was done, he asked me to move

2438
02:58:15.200 --> 02:58:18.079
over and sit on the couch.
That's always a good thing. Then Brooke

2439
02:58:18.120 --> 02:58:20.280
Shields came out. She was about
fifteen, a very pretty lady, very

2440
02:58:20.360 --> 02:58:24.959
friendly. Actually, I would end
up working with Brookshields twenty years later when

2441
02:58:24.000 --> 02:58:28.159
she had a sitcom called Suddenly Susan. But of course I didn't know that

2442
02:58:28.239 --> 02:58:31.319
when we were sitting there that day
on the Tonight Show, when we were

2443
02:58:31.360 --> 02:58:33.600
done taping, Johnny Carson wanted to
pose for a picture with his head on

2444
02:58:33.760 --> 02:58:37.879
top of my muscle. Brook Shields
was hanging and kidding with us, and

2445
02:58:37.920 --> 02:58:39.840
all of a sudden, her mother
showed up. Talk about overprotective. She

2446
02:58:39.879 --> 02:58:43.920
didn't let brook get anywhere near me
the rest of the time we were there,

2447
02:58:45.000 --> 02:58:48.040
because he she knows you're a pervert, right And Linda's gonna prove that

2448
02:58:48.120 --> 02:58:52.920
in about twenty fucking years. And
I don't blame her, because I had

2449
02:58:52.920 --> 02:59:00.799
a fr I would have fucked her. Dude, brookshoe hatter hand on my

2450
02:59:00.879 --> 02:59:03.479
cock, brother, just saying you
know, I'm you know, fifteen,

2451
02:59:03.520 --> 02:59:09.559
brother, You know I don't know, dude, is that illegal? I

2452
02:59:09.600 --> 02:59:15.079
don't know. I'm not I'm not
I'm not a lawyer. I'm just a

2453
02:59:15.120 --> 02:59:20.600
perpetrator. That was the old Chris
Rock routine about how like, you know,

2454
02:59:20.959 --> 02:59:24.479
when I went out to dinner with
my wife and one of her friends,

2455
02:59:24.239 --> 02:59:28.159
and when my wife got up to
go to the bathroom, you know,

2456
02:59:28.600 --> 02:59:31.200
my wife insisted that her girlfriend come
with her to the bathroom and he

2457
02:59:31.319 --> 02:59:35.959
goes. And I don't blame her
because I had a fucked her. I

2458
02:59:35.000 --> 02:59:37.559
had a fucked her on a fucking
casity. I don't get a ship.

2459
02:59:41.120 --> 02:59:48.440
That is awesome, That is great. He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with

2460
02:59:48.680 --> 03:00:07.200
Jack and JP Soros, The Last
and Wrestling Podcast. Yeah, that's the

2461
03:00:07.280 --> 03:00:09.360
key, that's the d That's what
makes you a comic artist. You picture

2462
03:00:09.479 --> 03:00:13.639
your picture her sitting on a fucking
cassode, because it puts you at a

2463
03:00:13.719 --> 03:00:16.159
totally like you realize there at a
chain restaurant, you know, and they're

2464
03:00:16.239 --> 03:00:18.040
kind of like you know what I
mean, right, they're all like a

2465
03:00:18.079 --> 03:00:22.239
fucking Fridays or an Applebee's, run
of the mill people. It's not like

2466
03:00:22.360 --> 03:00:26.079
some kind of you know, tryst
of celebrities. It's like they're they're at

2467
03:00:26.120 --> 03:00:37.840
a fucking Fridays and he's gonna great
fun. You're of course, uh,

2468
03:00:37.959 --> 03:00:41.120
like I said, Hogan, one
we vent we we visited before during the

2469
03:00:41.159 --> 03:00:45.440
prep for the trial of his life. But here are a few moments.

2470
03:00:45.479 --> 03:00:48.920
I don't know if we focus on
because it's more about Rocky, but here's

2471
03:00:48.079 --> 03:00:52.840
here we go. You know,
when you talk about wrestling, Johnny turns

2472
03:00:52.920 --> 03:00:56.639
me into a stark, raving maniac. You know, that's a very hard

2473
03:00:56.719 --> 03:01:00.760
time comproying myself with Sylvester Stone because
it would have been so easy just to

2474
03:01:01.799 --> 03:01:07.840
Yeah, of course, are most
of the bouts fixed? Or is that

2475
03:01:07.959 --> 03:01:13.799
a bad question? Right question?
Bad question? Is a bad question.

2476
03:01:16.159 --> 03:01:18.760
I wish they were fixed, because
then it would be a lot easier.

2477
03:01:18.440 --> 03:01:22.520
As you noticed the teeth marks around
my fingers. Yes, you're right right

2478
03:01:22.600 --> 03:01:26.879
here. If it was fixed to
be much easier, and probably everybody in

2479
03:01:26.959 --> 03:01:31.760
there would be in it. But
what professional wrestling is the cream and the

2480
03:01:31.799 --> 03:01:35.959
crop. It's mostly the wrestlers that
come from the Olympics and very amateur wrestlers

2481
03:01:37.000 --> 03:01:41.319
that make the grade and they get
into professional wrestling. And right now I

2482
03:01:41.399 --> 03:01:45.079
wrestle main events all across the country. And if it was fixed, it'd

2483
03:01:45.079 --> 03:01:46.920
be very much, very easier for
me. But right now it's like a

2484
03:01:46.959 --> 03:01:50.879
fight for your life every time you
step in there. It really isn't dangerous

2485
03:01:50.879 --> 03:01:54.200
definitely, Why wise is one?
I want you Occasionally why a wrestler will

2486
03:01:54.200 --> 03:01:56.639
throw the other one against the ropes
and then stand in the middle of the

2487
03:01:56.760 --> 03:02:01.280
ring. The other one goes clear
across here, we got off the ropes

2488
03:02:01.319 --> 03:02:03.520
and comes back and does not move
out of the way, and he knocks

2489
03:02:03.600 --> 03:02:07.000
him down. I mean, what
does that seems? Does that seems strange

2490
03:02:07.040 --> 03:02:13.799
to you? I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that I haven't.

2491
03:02:13.879 --> 03:02:16.360
I haven't noticed the instance you're talking
about. Usually when I throw somebody in

2492
03:02:16.399 --> 03:02:20.760
the ropes, that's I have something
in mind that will kind of like destroy

2493
03:02:20.840 --> 03:02:22.719
them. They put them out for
a little while when they do come off

2494
03:02:22.760 --> 03:02:26.959
the ropes. But the thing is, you know, so many people talk

2495
03:02:26.000 --> 03:02:30.239
about professional wrestling, and I just
wish I could take everybody here and spend

2496
03:02:30.680 --> 03:02:33.799
fifteen or twenty seconds with you,
and I could make believers out of everybody

2497
03:02:33.840 --> 03:02:39.920
here. I think that's probably a
fair assumption. But the thing is,

2498
03:02:39.000 --> 03:02:45.000
you know, professional wrestling draws more
money than any any major professional sports simply

2499
03:02:45.079 --> 03:02:50.079
because we have no off season.
We work all year round. Yes,

2500
03:02:50.200 --> 03:02:54.280
I just came back and I'll be
heading out in a few days. But

2501
03:02:54.639 --> 03:03:00.479
in Japan more from the movie Rocky
three, Well, they started public sizing

2502
03:03:00.520 --> 03:03:03.680
the movie about a year ago over
there, and it's helped a little bit,

2503
03:03:03.719 --> 03:03:07.360
you know, as far as them
knowing me, as far as the

2504
03:03:07.479 --> 03:03:11.440
movie goes. But wrestling in baseball
are like their number one sports in Japan,

2505
03:03:13.280 --> 03:03:15.799
and they treat you if you're a
wrestler, they treat you just like

2506
03:03:15.840 --> 03:03:20.799
you're a movie star. Anyway.
Yeah, it's true. So even then,

2507
03:03:20.920 --> 03:03:22.000
even in eighty two, he's got
his fight. No, No,

2508
03:03:22.079 --> 03:03:28.040
one's promoting a movie a year before
it comes out. I don't care where

2509
03:03:28.079 --> 03:03:31.600
you are. No, it's promoting
a movie while it's shooting before it shot.

2510
03:03:31.680 --> 03:03:37.079
Oh god, essentially. But here's
another one with Hogan on Carson.

2511
03:03:37.280 --> 03:03:39.040
How did this come up? On? To do? This is still don't

2512
03:03:39.079 --> 03:03:43.479
just calling up or see someone.
Well, I was wrestling in Madison Square

2513
03:03:43.559 --> 03:03:48.600
Garden and I got a note from
the promoter to call Sylvester Stallone for a

2514
03:03:48.719 --> 03:03:52.079
major part in a Rocke movie.
Right, I just took it and threw

2515
03:03:52.120 --> 03:03:56.319
it away. Figured it was a
joke from the other wrestlers. So I

2516
03:03:56.440 --> 03:03:58.559
was gone for about eight weeks.
When I came back, there was a

2517
03:03:58.600 --> 03:04:03.040
surgent telegram please call mister Stallone immediately. So I called him and uh,

2518
03:04:03.120 --> 03:04:05.479
it was real. You know,
Yeah, do you enjoy making a picture?

2519
03:04:05.680 --> 03:04:09.280
It? You can do some more, I hope. So you're kind

2520
03:04:09.280 --> 03:04:13.360
of limited in the rules in a
way. Then again maybe not? Maybe

2521
03:04:13.440 --> 03:04:20.600
not. No, I would like
to get back on subing through wrestling just

2522
03:04:20.600 --> 03:04:26.520
for a minute. There's such a
there's such a tremendous following, you know,

2523
03:04:26.600 --> 03:04:28.159
like I travel all over the world
and all over the country, and

2524
03:04:28.479 --> 03:04:33.399
there's so many amateur programs and young
people getting into the thing that I hate

2525
03:04:33.399 --> 03:04:37.319
to see people knock it or degraded
if they really don't know what they're talking

2526
03:04:37.399 --> 03:04:46.520
about right there, And it's always
been one of my favorite sports. How

2527
03:04:46.639 --> 03:04:52.879
good is Carson? Great brought up
for We're gonna miss an Olympic every Friday

2528
03:04:52.959 --> 03:05:01.479
night in the front row. He's
fucking awesome. Man. You're gonna tell

2529
03:05:01.559 --> 03:05:07.159
me that we live in a superior
time to that, give me a never

2530
03:05:07.760 --> 03:05:13.239
never, not where, not where
A scared Johnny Carson. Johnny Carson can

2531
03:05:13.520 --> 03:05:18.000
can can go from calling wrestling asking
wrestling's fixed, to being to being horrified

2532
03:05:18.079 --> 03:05:20.239
so much that he, I mean, how artfully does he handle that?

2533
03:05:20.360 --> 03:05:22.760
He gives Hogan and out, you
know what I mean, But he still

2534
03:05:22.799 --> 03:05:26.200
asks the question, but he does
it in a way that like is awesome,

2535
03:05:28.079 --> 03:05:31.280
so inoffensive, and he still makes
you love him by the end even

2536
03:05:31.319 --> 03:05:39.559
though he's asking that question. Yep, just great. So another minor little

2537
03:05:39.360 --> 03:05:48.959
promotional tie in. Did you know
that there was a Rocky three Thunderlips toy

2538
03:05:48.200 --> 03:06:00.000
ring that was created for kids googling
begin there was a so the the whole

2539
03:06:00.159 --> 03:06:05.879
Cogan Collection channel believe it or not, on YouTube. That's the thing is

2540
03:06:05.079 --> 03:06:09.200
episode on it. Here's a here's
a clip from from that. This is

2541
03:06:09.280 --> 03:06:16.200
a nineteen eighty three Rocky three All
Cogan Thunderlips ring. Wow, there's not

2542
03:06:16.360 --> 03:06:24.159
a whole lot of these fuss.
The boxes is in a condition. You

2543
03:06:24.239 --> 03:06:26.680
know, as a collector, you
know, there's you got to be a

2544
03:06:26.760 --> 03:06:28.959
bit of a snob. You know, you're dealing with a you know,

2545
03:06:30.159 --> 03:06:35.280
really commodity in general. But that
uh and uh, you know, i'd

2546
03:06:35.280 --> 03:06:39.600
probably give like a sixty or seventy
to the condition. But the rarity of

2547
03:06:39.680 --> 03:06:46.159
this item actually just overrides everything.
This is worth several hundreds of dollars worth,

2548
03:06:46.559 --> 03:06:50.000
child and it's it's a very rare
ring. If you know somebody that

2549
03:06:50.079 --> 03:06:52.719
has one of these, please just
try to get it. Don't a little

2550
03:06:52.760 --> 03:06:56.280
ball them, be a little honest, but try to get a good deal.

2551
03:06:56.360 --> 03:07:00.840
Well you see it, Yeah,
I see it. Fucking obsessed.

2552
03:07:01.319 --> 03:07:05.520
I kind of remember this the figure. I see packaging that's separate. Hul

2553
03:07:05.600 --> 03:07:09.760
Cogan has Thunderlips. It looked like
a series of Rocky Action figures. I

2554
03:07:09.840 --> 03:07:13.760
feel like that's kind of one of
the first wrestling action figures in the country.

2555
03:07:13.200 --> 03:07:18.680
Is Hogan's Thunderlips figure? Makes sense? Yeah? Yeah, I know

2556
03:07:18.719 --> 03:07:20.440
I don't remember at all, But
does it? If I'm not mistaken,

2557
03:07:20.760 --> 03:07:24.360
the figure kind of looks like a
like an LGN, right it does.

2558
03:07:24.840 --> 03:07:28.360
Yeah, well, it looks more
like a REMCO. Okay, it's got

2559
03:07:28.440 --> 03:07:33.520
kind of like those those plastic arms
that go up and down. It looks

2560
03:07:33.559 --> 03:07:37.959
like a solid and uh and yeah. And then they came out with Rocky

2561
03:07:37.040 --> 03:07:43.120
Action figures years later, with the
much more detailed Thunderlips that looks tremendous.

2562
03:07:43.680 --> 03:07:48.479
Really, Yeah, with the Cape
and the detailed happy the red feather.

2563
03:07:48.799 --> 03:07:54.000
Yeah, very cool. Obsessed.
Obsessed doesn't begin to cover it. There's

2564
03:07:54.079 --> 03:07:56.040
the packaging, the box of that
ring, the idea that you could go

2565
03:07:56.159 --> 03:08:01.920
into like any old toy store around
the release Rocky three. Hey, that's

2566
03:08:01.040 --> 03:08:05.760
Wrestler from Rocky before he was Hulk
Cogan. These were, these were,

2567
03:08:05.559 --> 03:08:09.680
if I'm not mistaken, the newer
ones. Those are those are the w

2568
03:08:09.959 --> 03:08:15.879
toys. Yeah, Jack's right,
Yeah, that original one. The holy

2569
03:08:16.120 --> 03:08:18.360
shit, my god, I think
it came. I think it came a

2570
03:08:18.440 --> 03:08:24.120
smidge after because the first Hogan figure
I think is the the bendable Japanese figure,

2571
03:08:24.840 --> 03:08:26.399
the first ever Cogan figure. So
but I think this one came out

2572
03:08:26.479 --> 03:08:33.879
around that time or shortly thereafter.
It's unreal obsessed, yep, one hundred

2573
03:08:33.879 --> 03:08:39.639
percent, one hundred percent obsessed.
So it's all happened, everything's done,

2574
03:08:39.680 --> 03:08:43.520
the movie's been promoted, where edited, we're in the canes. It is

2575
03:08:43.639 --> 03:08:46.239
now time to premiere the movie,
and indeed it did. It opened May

2576
03:08:46.639 --> 03:08:50.680
twenty eighth, nineteen eighty two,
and of course it was a huge hit,

2577
03:08:50.879 --> 03:08:56.440
Like I said, raked in two
hundred and seventy million dollars at the

2578
03:08:56.479 --> 03:09:00.760
box office on a budget of approximately
seventeen million, So I would say it's

2579
03:09:00.760 --> 03:09:07.680
a pretty solid return, don't you
ask me. As for reviews, it

2580
03:09:07.840 --> 03:09:11.959
does fairly well as sequels go.
I think right now, I forget where

2581
03:09:13.319 --> 03:09:18.280
I'm on rotten tomatoes. I think
it's got like a sixty percent, which

2582
03:09:18.399 --> 03:09:20.520
you know sequels in the eighties,
It's not bad. Usually there were just

2583
03:09:20.879 --> 03:09:28.000
the worst. Definitely much more of
a hit than with audiences than with critics

2584
03:09:28.719 --> 03:09:33.200
who feel that Rocky may have worn
out. As welcome a little bit from

2585
03:09:33.239 --> 03:09:37.360
the New York Times, first Rocky, then Rocky two, and now Rocky

2586
03:09:37.520 --> 03:09:45.120
three. Why you might query,
poor qua Pa, Miss Piggy might rejoin

2587
03:09:46.799 --> 03:09:52.680
It's money don's le bank. Miss
Peggy of course would be right down.

2588
03:09:54.159 --> 03:10:00.600
You just calm down, please,
writer, take them show pill. This

2589
03:10:00.639 --> 03:10:03.360
is the New York Times. There's
no chill pill in New York Times.

2590
03:10:03.399 --> 03:10:07.000
Miss Piggy does not come idly to
mind. In connection with Silvester Stalone's Rocky

2591
03:10:07.120 --> 03:10:11.280
three, which opens today at the
Cinerama and other theaters, mister Stallone,

2592
03:10:11.319 --> 03:10:15.079
the star of Rocky three, as
well as its writer and director, is

2593
03:10:15.280 --> 03:10:18.840
hard put to find problems with which
to freight his gold mine of a character.

2594
03:10:20.360 --> 03:10:24.200
Now that Rocky has everything. In
the first quarter of the picture,

2595
03:10:24.239 --> 03:10:28.399
he seems to be vamping for time, which he does rather amusingly. There's

2596
03:10:28.399 --> 03:10:31.079
a sequence in which Pauli, Rocky's
brother in law, is shown expressing his

2597
03:10:31.200 --> 03:10:35.879
jealousy and hurt feelings at Rocky's fame. There's also a comic sequence in which

2598
03:10:37.000 --> 03:10:39.159
Rocky, on behalf of Charity,
fights a match with a wrestler known as

2599
03:10:39.239 --> 03:10:46.000
Thunderlips, who is described as the
ultimate mountain of desire. Eventually, Rocky

2600
03:10:46.120 --> 03:10:48.559
three gets down to its main business. This is a grudge five in which

2601
03:10:48.639 --> 03:10:52.719
Rocky must defend his title against a
loud mouthed, angry new contender, club

2602
03:10:52.840 --> 03:10:56.600
Er Lang, played with a good
deal of humor by an actor called mister

2603
03:10:56.719 --> 03:11:01.360
t, a fellow who does a
great impersonation of Muhammad Ali. Does he?

2604
03:11:03.600 --> 03:11:07.920
Rocky three does end on an alarming
note. There may well be a

2605
03:11:07.120 --> 03:11:16.440
Rocky four. The Canada Globe and
Maine respondent, does anyone Carol, Huh,

2606
03:11:16.600 --> 03:11:20.280
Globe and Mail? I think mail
Yeah, mail whatever, Sure,

2607
03:11:20.639 --> 03:11:24.319
Globe and Mail. Does anyone care
what happens to Cinderella after she sets up

2608
03:11:24.360 --> 03:11:28.239
housekeeping with the Prince So if that's
just alone creator of boxer Rocky Balboa,

2609
03:11:28.319 --> 03:11:33.760
that Lump and Cinderella in Sweatpants does. And what's Stallone, writer and director

2610
03:11:33.799 --> 03:11:37.840
of Rocky three, has discovered is
this The castle is no different than the

2611
03:11:37.879 --> 03:11:41.319
cottage every morning. It's the same
damn thing. Have the Tutsi's grown too

2612
03:11:41.479 --> 03:11:46.680
corny for the glass, slipper?
Has the head grown too large for the

2613
03:11:46.760 --> 03:11:50.840
crown? The answer, finally is
yes. Rocky three, unlike its twin

2614
03:11:50.959 --> 03:11:58.639
predecessors, is a charmlessly manipulative movie. The magic is caput. And finally,

2615
03:11:58.639 --> 03:12:01.879
from the Miami Herald, the good
news about Rocky three is there is

2616
03:12:01.959 --> 03:12:07.079
probably room for more Rockies. Someone's
actually excited about this. Stallone, who

2617
03:12:07.159 --> 03:12:11.319
wrote the first and took over as
director on the dismal sequel, has found

2618
03:12:11.360 --> 03:12:16.440
his legs as a filmmaker and a
measure of restraint as an actor. Rocky

2619
03:12:16.520 --> 03:12:20.639
three could have been, probably should
have been dreadful. Instead, he's a

2620
03:12:20.760 --> 03:12:26.000
sweet, if predictable reminder of the
qualities that made the original so popular.

2621
03:12:26.120 --> 03:12:30.600
Well look at that. Rocky is
rich, but clubb Lange is hungry.

2622
03:12:31.319 --> 03:12:35.600
So much hunger going on here.
Clubber is training the way Rocky used to

2623
03:12:35.760 --> 03:12:41.600
desperately violently alone. He's big,
he's black, Okay, okay. In

2624
03:12:41.719 --> 03:12:46.920
there he has a strange haircut and
lunatic's eyes. This is awful. He

2625
03:12:48.040 --> 03:12:50.600
is played by a man named mister
t who in real life used to be

2626
03:12:50.680 --> 03:12:54.040
Ali's bodyguard. Uh oh, it's
a classic setup and Stallone doesn't waste it.

2627
03:12:54.639 --> 03:12:58.840
The rest of the film has few
surprises, but Stallone was never concerned

2628
03:12:58.879 --> 03:13:03.799
with finesse. That's like, that's
like saying John Cena is only you know

2629
03:13:03.120 --> 03:13:07.079
he's right, he's high. He's
a high impact wrestler. Uh. He

2630
03:13:07.200 --> 03:13:11.399
directs the way the Green Bay Packers
used to play. No tricks, just

2631
03:13:11.040 --> 03:13:20.319
execution, and that is that.
Oh, boss, you did it.

2632
03:13:20.600 --> 03:13:24.840
It's all there, Rocky fucking three, all the stones I would have liked

2633
03:13:24.879 --> 03:13:30.200
to have turned over in consideration of
Rocky three and more brought to that ass

2634
03:13:30.280 --> 03:13:35.319
on under the cinemat for your executive
producer to your play. Not a joke,

2635
03:13:35.360 --> 03:13:41.079
folks. Twenty twenty one is strong. Yeah, we're setting high bars

2636
03:13:41.959 --> 03:13:50.719
and smashing holes. He's an lapsed
fan wrestling podcast with Jack and JP Sorrow.

2637
03:14:03.799 --> 03:14:11.840
It's the Lapsed fan Wrestling Podcast.
Start the projector and three two one

2638
03:14:13.639 --> 03:14:24.760
play m h there's the screaming metro
goldlan Meyer, Lion or somebody. I

2639
03:14:24.840 --> 03:14:31.079
think a lion starts when Hogan shows
up and the Lion of the bathroom.

2640
03:14:31.200 --> 03:14:35.360
Oh man, that's this sound is
putting me in a particular ease mood.

2641
03:14:37.239 --> 03:14:43.319
You'd added artists, right, MGM
U a other is the one and the

2642
03:14:43.360 --> 03:14:48.120
same, Yeah, more or less? And there. MGM is such a

2643
03:14:48.159 --> 03:14:54.319
fucking cluster. Fuck now, it's
all over the place. MGM in there

2644
03:14:56.440 --> 03:15:01.479
bullshit and they're bullshit like that.
So many different so many different studios own

2645
03:15:03.600 --> 03:15:09.239
have licensing to the to the fucking
MGM franchise. Wow, look at the

2646
03:15:09.360 --> 03:15:15.840
Ring Magazine World Championship with the red, white and blue tasseling or whatever on

2647
03:15:15.920 --> 03:15:18.440
the sides. The bun tang almost
weird, like the fucking frills, like

2648
03:15:18.520 --> 03:15:24.680
it's a seventies uh yep tuxedo.
Yeah, I don't know. So what

2649
03:15:24.879 --> 03:15:30.920
the Ring Magazine they decided they were. They're like the pre eminent rankings body.

2650
03:15:31.559 --> 03:15:33.719
So it's like who they say is
the number one contender is accepted by

2651
03:15:33.799 --> 03:15:39.159
most of boxing I see as the
top contender as we see Rocky just pummel

2652
03:15:41.360 --> 03:15:43.920
Apollo Creed. I what I love
about what's so funny about the Rocky movies

2653
03:15:45.000 --> 03:15:52.319
is that if you you could actually
just edit them together and make one fucking

2654
03:15:52.639 --> 03:15:56.959
like the first five at least like
an eight hour movie, because they always

2655
03:15:58.120 --> 03:16:01.360
end, they always begin where the
the last one left off, like literally

2656
03:16:01.440 --> 03:16:11.159
showing you clips. Yeah, exactly, and they're exactly yep. Look at

2657
03:16:11.200 --> 03:16:13.680
his fucking face. Look at look
at Rockies. Look at both of them.

2658
03:16:13.680 --> 03:16:20.680
They're both beat the fuck up.
What a business? You're right,

2659
03:16:20.799 --> 03:16:24.639
jeez, I forgot that Rocky punched
him so hard at the end of Rocky

2660
03:16:24.680 --> 03:16:28.120
two that he too fell over.
He had to answer the ten count and

2661
03:16:28.239 --> 03:16:33.200
the ring fells got this good stuff. I mean sure that the end of

2662
03:16:33.239 --> 03:16:37.239
the fights are always good, but
like the movies are just rough. Man,

2663
03:16:37.319 --> 03:16:41.200
I just can't do it. I
try. I give it again.

2664
03:16:41.280 --> 03:16:45.399
This one's I like three. I
probably like three because there are three fights

2665
03:16:45.440 --> 03:16:50.040
in it, as opposed to a
whole bunch of bullshit movie before. Then.

2666
03:16:50.319 --> 03:17:01.360
You know, like, seriously,
you want him coming home to you.

2667
03:17:01.440 --> 03:17:05.479
He looks like he looks like the
fucking the bosson Scrooge too, the

2668
03:17:05.600 --> 03:17:09.360
Dick and Marley character. You know, look at those old timey champions on

2669
03:17:09.440 --> 03:17:13.799
the on the belt. They got
these old portraits from like nineteen twelve on

2670
03:17:13.959 --> 03:17:20.319
them. There's Mickey with the hearing
aids in and here comes I had the

2671
03:17:20.360 --> 03:17:24.399
Tiger Baby, the movie that made
the song famous. Right, that's right.

2672
03:17:24.520 --> 03:17:26.520
I mean, well this that was
written for the written for the movie.

2673
03:17:26.959 --> 03:17:31.639
Yep, I works. That's huge. I have the Tiger leaders just

2674
03:17:31.719 --> 03:17:41.079
right. Not a small rookie Dean. Dean is even Helena Sell Helena.

2675
03:17:41.319 --> 03:17:45.680
That's the lightning break. So we're
singing Rocky Defender's title against mirrored opponents.

2676
03:17:45.959 --> 03:17:50.680
Alight, idiot, not a fan? Huh? Bert Young, He's such

2677
03:17:50.719 --> 03:17:52.760
a dick in these movies, is
he dad? I think he's dead.

2678
03:17:54.159 --> 03:18:00.479
Yeah he was. H I think
he just died. He came up as

2679
03:18:00.520 --> 03:18:05.440
if he was in the news.
He was. So we're seeing apparently at

2680
03:18:05.520 --> 03:18:09.520
Radio City Music Hall and making a
successful title defense. Weird. Now he's

2681
03:18:09.520 --> 03:18:15.840
alive, he ain't dead. Whoa. There's Clever Lang watching on with a

2682
03:18:15.920 --> 03:18:20.079
saucy look on his face as Rocky
Jesus uppercuts that guy almost into the front

2683
03:18:20.159 --> 03:18:22.840
row. Look at him, Look
at him. Look at Clever Lang with

2684
03:18:22.879 --> 03:18:30.079
those fucking a beast the feather ear
rings. Yeah, we see the the

2685
03:18:30.200 --> 03:18:35.399
changing marquee at the airport and an
airplane because he's traveling the world. Pretty

2686
03:18:35.440 --> 03:18:41.680
young, Jesus Christ, everybody,
let's looking like everyone's dad, Seriously,

2687
03:18:41.799 --> 03:18:48.680
everyone's grandfather. Always look old pictures
of Rocky like he's an effective montage where

2688
03:18:48.879 --> 03:18:52.840
we're getting a lot across in like
two minutes here, because I guess he

2689
03:18:52.920 --> 03:18:58.719
was supposed to be champing for like
three years or whatever. Yeah, and

2690
03:19:00.079 --> 03:19:03.479
all because of Mickey, that fucker
they keep I know, Micky, that

2691
03:19:03.639 --> 03:19:07.680
son of a bitch keeps zooming in
on that menacing clubber lang. I mean,

2692
03:19:09.000 --> 03:19:11.680
he's apparently traveling. He has the
money, apparently to travel the whole

2693
03:19:11.680 --> 03:19:15.600
world and find the Rockies every title
defense. He's struggling. Here he is

2694
03:19:16.520 --> 03:19:22.399
glistening and uh well, Bridges drink
a sixth straight knockout according to that newspaper

2695
03:19:22.440 --> 03:19:28.799
clipping great cap. Oh yeah,
that's what you need. Like, look,

2696
03:19:30.520 --> 03:19:31.840
in the eighties, it was about
physique. Wrestling taught us that,

2697
03:19:33.000 --> 03:19:35.479
and the movies taught us that too. It's not like wrestling was unique,

2698
03:19:35.040 --> 03:19:39.840
and it's why you fucking do a
diet where it's right eaten. Part of

2699
03:19:39.840 --> 03:19:45.520
an oatmeal cookie rice and two scoops
of tuna, so you can look like

2700
03:19:45.600 --> 03:19:50.079
you're a fucking beast when you're probably
on the verge of dying. He does

2701
03:19:50.120 --> 03:19:54.760
look unhealthy here, I think in
this movie kind of face is so gaunt.

2702
03:19:54.879 --> 03:19:58.079
Yeah, it's it's wackle. Does
this add for Delore? And that's

2703
03:19:58.159 --> 03:20:03.079
hilarious Maserati Printatti's on GQ. They
do a good job with this. It

2704
03:20:03.120 --> 03:20:07.399
looks real. Yeah, Muppet Show
is actually I guess it was his real

2705
03:20:07.959 --> 03:20:11.719
Oh yeah, his real thing.
But they re dubbed one of the muppets

2706
03:20:11.760 --> 03:20:16.319
to say Rocky instead of Stallone or
whatever the fuck. They said, Oh,

2707
03:20:16.399 --> 03:20:20.280
that's fascinating. Yeah, yeah,
because he did do he did do

2708
03:20:20.360 --> 03:20:24.440
a spot on the Hey, you
notice the fans mobbing Celester Stallone looks kind

2709
03:20:24.479 --> 03:20:26.719
of like that, all those kids
rushing Hogan. I didn't didn't know.

2710
03:20:26.920 --> 03:20:33.239
We didn't we created that. We
actually see what happened was I suggested Stallone?

2711
03:20:35.079 --> 03:20:37.079
I said, Stallone, what you
should do is you should have some

2712
03:20:37.799 --> 03:20:43.479
kids kind of hounding you and whatever. And who are you from? Vincent

2713
03:20:43.559 --> 03:20:48.639
man, I don't know who you
are. My dad said no to the

2714
03:20:48.680 --> 03:20:52.079
movie. At first. My dad
said no to things, and I don't

2715
03:20:52.120 --> 03:20:58.879
say no to you. Oh Cluver
Lang is barking. You tell them nobody

2716
03:20:58.879 --> 03:21:01.680
could beat me. That is a
Leah trying to channel Ali. Well,

2717
03:21:01.799 --> 03:21:07.799
if you would know, fucking mister
T would know he's in black and white

2718
03:21:07.799 --> 03:21:13.799
for some reason, this movie sill
take place in the sixties. Like I

2719
03:21:13.840 --> 03:21:16.639
think most people have color TVs by
this point. You'd be surprised. My

2720
03:21:16.760 --> 03:21:20.000
first TV I gotten like eighty eight, and it was black and white.

2721
03:21:22.040 --> 03:21:24.000
I guess they're probably cheaper. You
know, he can be a cheaper TV,

2722
03:21:24.680 --> 03:21:31.000
right, not that full color ship, right. You know? Carl

2723
03:21:31.040 --> 03:21:37.639
Weather's so we've got a Bert here
is watching some news coverage of Balboa's upcoming

2724
03:21:37.920 --> 03:21:43.319
match against wrestling champion thunder Lips.
He's such a penny ass. He fucks

2725
03:21:43.360 --> 03:21:46.719
it all. If I'm not mistaken, I think he fucks it all up

2726
03:21:46.760 --> 03:21:52.319
for Rocky. I think he's in
in five. I think he he uh.

2727
03:21:52.760 --> 03:21:56.959
I think he he dambles away all
his money or something. Yeah,

2728
03:21:58.360 --> 03:22:01.760
something like that. I don't know. Again, I don't care. He's

2729
03:22:01.840 --> 03:22:05.399
just riding Rockies coattails here in the
bar. He is the ultimate coat tailor

2730
03:22:05.520 --> 03:22:11.840
bitch, total bitch when he starts
to get mad that maybe Rocky doesn't appreciate

2731
03:22:11.879 --> 03:22:15.159
all he's done for him. Yeah, that kind of guy, you know,

2732
03:22:16.639 --> 03:22:20.920
taking a drag off a stogy hard
hats in the bar. So he's

2733
03:22:20.000 --> 03:22:24.280
you know, Bert Young is still
slumming it even though, Yeah, making

2734
03:22:24.319 --> 03:22:28.360
it to fame and fort Pollie Paulie. Well, when when Rocky and Adrian

2735
03:22:28.399 --> 03:22:33.959
are over in fucking Russia in Rocky
for Paulie is fooled into signing a power

2736
03:22:33.959 --> 03:22:37.239
of attorney over to Rocky's accountant,
who then squanders all of his money on

2737
03:22:37.280 --> 03:22:41.799
a real estate deal. Gone inside, that's right, Why don't you die?

2738
03:22:43.840 --> 03:22:48.120
Why are you dressed like the guy
who managed the Fabulous Kangaroos? It's

2739
03:22:48.159 --> 03:22:50.639
like salt Weiner golf over here,
that fucking hat, Like, seriously,

2740
03:22:52.319 --> 03:22:56.159
Rocky's giving you all this fucking money
and you can't know what a pervert?

2741
03:22:56.440 --> 03:23:01.399
Honestly he's going to touch kids here? Hey, why is everyone dressed up

2742
03:23:01.440 --> 03:23:05.280
like wrestlers? Ever? Any more? I think it was canvas? See

2743
03:23:05.280 --> 03:23:09.879
another cameo, another wrestling cameo on
this movie? So many look at the

2744
03:23:11.040 --> 03:23:15.159
hat is just perverted? Was he
gonna get pissed off? That there's a

2745
03:23:15.239 --> 03:23:18.239
Rocky pinball machine. Now, yes
he is. He's gonna throw shoot at

2746
03:23:18.319 --> 03:23:22.959
it with his flask. What a
bitch, he really is, his ungrateful

2747
03:23:24.040 --> 03:23:28.000
prick. Also buy a new hat, like how's Rocky? For twenty bucks

2748
03:23:28.000 --> 03:23:31.559
and you get a new hat?
Dumb fuck you to throw the flask at

2749
03:23:31.559 --> 03:23:37.319
the pinball machine. I would yep, I called it, Probably know it

2750
03:23:37.440 --> 03:23:41.280
somewhere in the recesses of my memory, but yeah, I'm sure you know

2751
03:23:41.319 --> 03:23:43.760
what I mean that. I love
that about movies. It's like you remember

2752
03:23:43.799 --> 03:23:46.680
them, but you don't remember you
remember them until the scene comes back,

2753
03:23:46.840 --> 03:23:50.159
and you know what's funny. I
don't know about you, but sometimes I've

2754
03:23:50.200 --> 03:23:52.079
gone back and rewatched movies that I
used to watch a lot as a kid.

2755
03:23:52.559 --> 03:23:56.440
But man, I don't remember shit
about him? Is that right?

2756
03:23:56.600 --> 03:24:01.760
Yes? The one I the frequents
I tend to recall. I used to

2757
03:24:01.840 --> 03:24:05.319
watch the movie Short Circuit a lot
as a kid, and I watched it

2758
03:24:05.559 --> 03:24:09.840
not long ago, and I didn't
remember anything that happened. Nothing jogged my

2759
03:24:09.959 --> 03:24:18.239
memory except for the main You know, the fucking robot looks like a Rockies

2760
03:24:18.280 --> 03:24:26.520
bailed Paulie at a prison here wet
hair, beautiful eighties hair. So that's

2761
03:24:26.559 --> 03:24:31.079
just alone. Oh yeah, textbook
eighties here with the tan suit yep,

2762
03:24:31.479 --> 03:24:35.000
does he have those? Fucking I
wonder if he's got those. I guess

2763
03:24:35.040 --> 03:24:37.719
my more seventies, but it's kind
of the end of the seventies. The

2764
03:24:37.799 --> 03:24:43.760
fucking elbow patches, the brown elbow
patches that are like big again. I've

2765
03:24:43.799 --> 03:24:56.079
seen a lot of suit coats with
those on these days. Oh, what

2766
03:24:56.200 --> 03:24:58.440
do you do for Paulie? What
about Paulie? What about me? What

2767
03:24:58.520 --> 03:25:03.520
about rave? About the club?
About the club? Oh I used to

2768
03:25:03.600 --> 03:25:11.079
know, so I just alone we
step at the club. Is there a

2769
03:25:11.120 --> 03:25:16.280
reason that uh salt Weiner GoF just
threw his rolex on the ground in the

2770
03:25:16.360 --> 03:25:20.000
parking garage of the police station here. Why are you yelling at him like

2771
03:25:20.799 --> 03:25:24.360
a slide go go go get the
police and bring him back, like get

2772
03:25:24.440 --> 03:25:26.680
him, put him back in prison. He's a fucking a man's gotta do

2773
03:25:26.840 --> 03:25:33.639
something to keep one. It's a
raving derrel like this guy. Man.

2774
03:25:33.760 --> 03:25:37.200
Look at trim that trim the top
coat is. Look at the gloves,

2775
03:25:37.719 --> 03:25:43.360
very very snazzy. He's a fucking
he's the most He's like an eighties Macy's

2776
03:25:43.399 --> 03:25:48.639
catalog. Oh seriously, Like honestly, it's like a fucking It's like the

2777
03:25:48.719 --> 03:25:52.600
eighties fucking jerked off and how came. It's like the Gifts for Him section

2778
03:25:52.719 --> 03:26:00.959
of the Sears Wish book. Hey, hey, what does that pin underneath

2779
03:26:01.000 --> 03:26:05.879
his tie? Interesting? That's very
weird. You talk like everybody knows you

2780
03:26:05.920 --> 03:26:09.959
will live and he says, what's
his character's name again? Paulie? Paulie.

2781
03:26:09.600 --> 03:26:13.200
Of course, think Jersey Shore.
I think Jersey Shore exactly. Think

2782
03:26:13.600 --> 03:26:16.840
think Sopranos, Paulie walnuts there,
there you go. He was in this.

2783
03:26:16.920 --> 03:26:20.479
Actually, Bert Young was in the
Sopranos. He had a small part.

2784
03:26:20.559 --> 03:26:28.920
He played What the fuck was he
he was? Uh? Bobby Back

2785
03:26:30.159 --> 03:26:35.680
is a dad I think in that
if you Sopranos. Rockey just called on

2786
03:26:35.760 --> 03:26:41.200
the jelly lazy lazy bum and Paulie's
taking like, you want to fucking that's

2787
03:26:41.239 --> 03:26:43.840
what you want to do. You
want to definitely throw, you swing some,

2788
03:26:43.680 --> 03:26:52.719
throw some fucking punches. You gassed
already. You're not worth working loafers.

2789
03:26:54.040 --> 03:26:58.680
Paulie is the fucking worst, Like, like, why, honestly,

2790
03:27:00.639 --> 03:27:03.760
that is that, that is the
epitome of self destruction. Is Pauli in

2791
03:27:03.879 --> 03:27:09.000
the yes, because he's that guy. He's that person that you the toxic

2792
03:27:09.079 --> 03:27:13.559
individual who you just can't get rid
of because deep down you don't think you're

2793
03:27:13.559 --> 03:27:18.559
worth anything, so you keep him
around. And he knows that about yes

2794
03:27:18.719 --> 03:27:24.000
and off that exactly lives off of
it, exactly knows what button to push

2795
03:27:24.040 --> 03:27:28.360
at the right moment to stay attached
to you. Yep, codependency, tons

2796
03:27:28.399 --> 03:27:31.559
of problems. Fuck, it looks
like that's what Rocky's about to do with.

2797
03:27:33.319 --> 03:27:37.079
He's gonna take her. David Letterman
asked him if this went down for

2798
03:27:37.159 --> 03:27:43.079
real too? The crows, the
blows you took in the ring were real?

2799
03:27:43.520 --> 03:27:46.520
Did you do your own stunts in
that fucking sack as well? Slide?

2800
03:27:46.559 --> 03:27:50.559
No, no, no, slid? Did she you know you took

2801
03:27:50.600 --> 03:27:52.639
the blows? But did she blow
you right? That is the question.

2802
03:27:52.760 --> 03:27:58.280
That is the question. Is this
supposed to endear me to Rocky that they're

2803
03:27:58.280 --> 03:28:01.200
singing to each other here? Because
it feels like my time is being wasted.

2804
03:28:01.319 --> 03:28:03.559
I don't know about you. Yeah, can we get to the wrestling

2805
03:28:03.639 --> 03:28:07.040
match? Please? Do you get
the thunder lips? I'm not talking about

2806
03:28:07.040 --> 03:28:11.000
here? What about Adrian? Did
she go on to any filmic success.

2807
03:28:11.040 --> 03:28:16.360
Oh my god, it's fucking Connie
Corleone. Ladies and gentlemen, She's uh,

2808
03:28:16.520 --> 03:28:18.200
she'll be featured again. She's she's
not going anywhere. I'll tell you

2809
03:28:18.319 --> 03:28:22.200
that. On'm of the cinemat. She will be featured for a while.

2810
03:28:22.440 --> 03:28:26.559
She's she's great, tell you she's
awesome. Yeah, in the three

2811
03:28:26.680 --> 03:28:31.000
Godfather movies. Here we go,
yep up here. It is the battle

2812
03:28:31.000 --> 03:28:35.319
of the champions. The box are
against the wrestler. Is this our announcer?

2813
03:28:35.360 --> 03:28:37.239
Here is Dennis James. Ladies and
gentlemen, Dennis James saw them in

2814
03:28:37.280 --> 03:28:41.000
a moment they do get We get
a shot of him. There he is

2815
03:28:41.040 --> 03:28:43.600
right there on the road, looking
dapper, with a carnation on his on

2816
03:28:43.719 --> 03:28:50.959
his lapel, still in his rock
yellow robe with the black trim Rock.

2817
03:28:50.000 --> 03:28:54.719
There's Mick Rock. I got my
fucking hand on my cock. All right,

2818
03:28:54.879 --> 03:28:58.479
let's killing this ship. This guy
weighs eighteen thousand pounds. He's a

2819
03:28:58.600 --> 03:29:03.000
fucking fake. We don't need to
know this shit. I'm gonna sit here

2820
03:29:03.040 --> 03:29:07.239
and I'm gonna I'm gonna act like
the penguin. Well see the mustache behind

2821
03:29:07.680 --> 03:29:16.680
mister James. There stash On this
comes. They think they think someone's carrying

2822
03:29:16.760 --> 03:29:20.760
Hogan. No one carries Actually people
need to carry Hogan. Actually okay,

2823
03:29:20.840 --> 03:29:24.680
yeah, ready Savage did look,
I'm coming after you, Balboa. Think

2824
03:29:24.760 --> 03:29:28.680
of a nation for the first time
laying eyes on Hult Cogan and the big

2825
03:29:28.760 --> 03:29:31.680
screen in nineteen eighty two across this
country and just wait, and it's not

2826
03:29:31.799 --> 03:29:35.639
even the moment yet. The moment
is coming up. I mean, you

2827
03:29:35.760 --> 03:29:37.639
see him, he's you know,
you can tell he's big, but you

2828
03:29:37.680 --> 03:29:41.680
don't know how big he is yet, right, And that championship belt was

2829
03:29:41.719 --> 03:29:48.120
one created specifically for the film,
selling replicas of it on the Hogan's Beat

2830
03:29:48.120 --> 03:29:52.319
Shop website for six hundred dollars.
Right now it looks like the old NBA

2831
03:29:52.520 --> 03:29:56.440
us title Yeah, or the TV
title too. Thunder Lips is here.

2832
03:29:56.520 --> 03:30:05.319
He's talking into a microphone hanging from
the ceiling. The Male versus the Ultimate

2833
03:30:05.399 --> 03:30:13.120
Meatball food again on that cast.
I know there it is again. James

2834
03:30:13.159 --> 03:30:20.639
What what's his name? Dennis James? Idiot? Is he in the Kenneth

2835
03:30:20.719 --> 03:30:26.040
Kenneth Bronna's poiro and Order on the
Owner Express? Jesus Christ, Look at

2836
03:30:26.120 --> 03:30:31.920
how getting this pump on biceps biggest
arms in the world. This is great.

2837
03:30:33.040 --> 03:30:35.360
Look at him before he was bald. Yeah, I know right,

2838
03:30:35.360 --> 03:30:41.920
it's look at hair of that's going
fast. He can see the one the

2839
03:30:43.000 --> 03:30:46.040
only didn't Salon induct Hogan into the
Hall of Fame. Yes he did,

2840
03:30:46.159 --> 03:30:50.040
Yes, he did. Absolutely,
there's like a Vince and Hogan posing.

2841
03:30:50.760 --> 03:30:54.440
That's an interesting mad effect on the
camera. That must have been my mistake.

2842
03:30:54.479 --> 03:30:58.399
I think that's probably some kind of
lens flair. Yeah, so Hogan

2843
03:30:58.559 --> 03:31:07.959
thunder has been introduced. We turn
now to break him in half, gesturing

2844
03:31:09.000 --> 03:31:13.040
to the crowd menacingly. Of course, what a mustache. I can't even

2845
03:31:13.079 --> 03:31:24.440
deal with it. Rocky Rocky Balboa
with the classic Art Jimmerson mistake, thinking

2846
03:31:24.479 --> 03:31:28.399
he can grapple with boxing gloves on. It's just not going to happen.

2847
03:31:28.879 --> 03:31:31.559
Put you at a disadvantage, not
at an advantage. Wait for it now,

2848
03:31:33.799 --> 03:31:39.840
look at it. Wow, Wow, fucking Christ, that's the money

2849
03:31:39.920 --> 03:31:45.120
shot. You cut off the top
of Hogan's heads exactly the frame, beautifully

2850
03:31:45.120 --> 03:31:54.600
shot. Huh yeah, oh,
Rocky saying we need to get a polaroid

2851
03:31:54.639 --> 03:31:56.360
together after this match. He's still
in a charity frame of mind, right,

2852
03:31:56.479 --> 03:32:01.159
Nogan. Hogan is in a steel
chair frame of mind. Looks like

2853
03:32:01.799 --> 03:32:05.719
he may have worked himself into a
shoot. Here, you're ready for the

2854
03:32:05.760 --> 03:32:11.479
double cross, the gorgeous George don
Eagle double cross. There's the referee on

2855
03:32:11.479 --> 03:32:16.760
all the fresh look at double miss. But he's ready. He's fucking poised

2856
03:32:16.799 --> 03:32:24.760
to attack. Good move pretty fast
for a big gu know, Pat Patterson,

2857
03:32:26.719 --> 03:32:30.440
all right, knock at this.
He's talking through spots with Hogan because

2858
03:32:30.440 --> 03:32:33.879
it's about talking right, put communication
in the ring, trusting your opponent.

2859
03:32:35.200 --> 03:32:39.159
There it is. That's the forearm
of the back that he talked about,

2860
03:32:39.200 --> 03:32:43.319
and that blooded his face when he
landed on Hogan's cowboy boot and another sledge

2861
03:32:43.360 --> 03:32:45.399
and down goes Man. Do they
hit that sound effect? Or what?

2862
03:32:45.639 --> 03:32:52.920
Oh? Yeah? Thunders christ something? Look at Robert goul over there,

2863
03:32:52.600 --> 03:32:56.559
Yeah, corner to corner on the
whip. I don't know if they teach

2864
03:32:56.559 --> 03:32:58.280
you how to take a buckle in
boxing? Do you learn how to fall

2865
03:32:58.360 --> 03:33:01.639
off a how do you learn how
to how you learn how to work with

2866
03:33:01.719 --> 03:33:07.639
Hulk Hogan? I believe Sylvester Stallone
just took a bell out of the corner

2867
03:33:07.680 --> 03:33:11.159
with a facelock take down. Look
at that he's learning those moves from Japan.

2868
03:33:13.200 --> 03:33:18.440
There it is the big power Slam
crushes sly into the canvas. Not

2869
03:33:18.559 --> 03:33:20.840
for the meat. Poplays want to
cover him. I'd be like, if

2870
03:33:20.879 --> 03:33:26.079
I want to face Hogan, I
want to face he's taking careful notes.

2871
03:33:26.360 --> 03:33:31.959
Oh back, back breaker, Jesus
the child, it's fake, but here

2872
03:33:31.959 --> 03:33:37.200
it is. It's pretty wild that
he was dropping the leg in eighty one.

2873
03:33:37.319 --> 03:33:41.520
I know, huh, but it's
not finishing. He's still saying husha

2874
03:33:41.680 --> 03:33:50.319
even in the movie Big Soup Lex
beautiful. Okay, there are some of

2875
03:33:50.360 --> 03:33:52.680
the best moves I've ever seen.
Hol Kongy Right, this is the best

2876
03:33:52.719 --> 03:33:54.799
wrestling he's ever done. That's because
they fucking took like four hours to do

2877
03:33:54.920 --> 03:33:58.040
it. Probably, you know,
it's incredible. Any stuff, man,

2878
03:33:58.440 --> 03:34:07.440
Fuck my god, he's always calling
and he gets tossed. That's where Spike

2879
03:34:07.479 --> 03:34:11.959
Dudley got the idea from to get
gorilla pressed in the audience and there Pepper.

2880
03:34:16.399 --> 03:34:20.840
She's used to this. Hogan was
the third man in eighty one Apparents

2881
03:34:22.760 --> 03:34:26.000
and there goes Earl Happener ref takes
the bump as well. Burtus Meredith is

2882
03:34:26.079 --> 03:34:33.040
dying. Yes, yeah, this
is where the stuff hokus hokus, striking

2883
03:34:33.120 --> 03:34:39.000
policeman and security guards. He still
wants balpoum taking the gloves off. The

2884
03:34:39.079 --> 03:34:45.079
gloves are off places. It's a
wrestling ring, of course, it's the

2885
03:34:46.639 --> 03:34:52.840
d whoa. It looks like one
of the the ring card girls in her

2886
03:34:52.840 --> 03:34:56.680
bikini was even involved in the tussles. Ready, look at britis. Meredith

2887
03:34:56.799 --> 03:35:00.559
is like, oh, losing his
ship. This is about Boa is not

2888
03:35:00.639 --> 03:35:05.639
happy to see Rocky now gloveless.
He's just got the tail on brother,

2889
03:35:05.760 --> 03:35:13.639
I changed the finish dude. Terry's
back in side right to the gut.

2890
03:35:13.639 --> 03:35:16.479
You want to fight for real?
Oh? He goozled him. Hogan has

2891
03:35:16.479 --> 03:35:26.959
got him in the goozle pay with
the chair, wooden chairs across Hogan's back

2892
03:35:26.000 --> 03:35:35.600
and he knows sounds He's all right. Bumps for his career were naked choke

2893
03:35:35.879 --> 03:35:45.479
by Rocky Balboa taking the bad come
on thunderlips scrambling for refuge, looking burgess

2894
03:35:45.600 --> 03:35:50.559
Meredith here is Mickey is he might
as well be fucking uh Harley race God

2895
03:35:50.639 --> 03:35:56.600
on God, our faithful announcer saying
Rocky is hanging on like a bull terrier.

2896
03:35:56.479 --> 03:36:01.159
He's calling on the old wrestling at
the merry gold I guess vocabulary.

2897
03:36:01.559 --> 03:36:07.319
Hogan drops to an ee he's fighting, and look at this. Balboa releases

2898
03:36:07.360 --> 03:36:11.920
the hole to go to work body
shots, get fucking merit, and then

2899
03:36:13.040 --> 03:36:20.280
the power slam. Look at this
rock Frosh left, he's wobbley. Halk's

2900
03:36:20.280 --> 03:36:24.239
gonna take the bump. Wow boom
slammed. That's the biggest of Hogan's career

2901
03:36:24.360 --> 03:36:31.399
right there. It really is.
The skyscraper has been counted out of the

2902
03:36:31.479 --> 03:36:33.879
ring. Where been thrown out of
the ring. And I'm gonna say that

2903
03:36:33.920 --> 03:36:37.040
probably just qualification if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, what is this? Bill

2904
03:36:37.079 --> 03:36:39.959
Watts w w well a w A. They did that too, They did

2905
03:36:41.000 --> 03:36:43.959
the Yeah that's true. Good point. That was actually more the rule than

2906
03:36:43.000 --> 03:36:48.200
the exception. In the early eighties, Hogan being fanned down by his uh

2907
03:36:48.680 --> 03:36:52.280
many, his harem of women,
one of them Linda. I didn't check

2908
03:36:52.319 --> 03:37:01.879
that out. I should have seen
pretty good stuff, good match, tremendous

2909
03:37:03.799 --> 03:37:09.280
lot that to the all fake There
was a yes sure from Terry, Yeah

2910
03:37:09.360 --> 03:37:11.000
sure, yeah, there is.
There's like the undercurrent of see it's all

2911
03:37:11.159 --> 03:37:20.639
fun in games here and Walter Matthow
takes the photo Rocky bad not bad,

2912
03:37:22.239 --> 03:37:28.360
no very good showing good stuff we've
seen in the back of their Reaganomics mansion.

2913
03:37:28.399 --> 03:37:35.920
Here we're told by that newspaper clipping
that Rocky and Thunderlips wrote raised seventy

2914
03:37:35.000 --> 03:37:39.159
five thousand dollars for charity in that
tussle there. I mean, it's not

2915
03:37:39.319 --> 03:37:46.079
good even for you expect the world
champion boxer back then to at least bring

2916
03:37:46.159 --> 03:37:50.879
in one hundred thousand. Well they
did bring in three times what Hogan got

2917
03:37:50.920 --> 03:37:54.799
paid to do. Then that's a
good point. Is Sevester Stallone riding a

2918
03:37:54.879 --> 03:37:58.920
model T or is my my eyes
deceiving me. It's a model of a

2919
03:37:58.000 --> 03:38:03.479
model T right, model test.
Look at you got this beautiful room,

2920
03:38:03.159 --> 03:38:07.559
you know, look at him and
then Paulie sitting there like a bitch in

2921
03:38:07.639 --> 03:38:18.200
his fucking wife beater idiot. That
is the exact chandelier you would expect a

2922
03:38:18.280 --> 03:38:22.840
poor Italian kid from Philly to buy. And that same fucking wallpaper like that's

2923
03:38:22.920 --> 03:38:28.079
you know, I saw, you
know, the wallpaper like that, you

2924
03:38:28.159 --> 03:38:31.399
know, a little bit of money, and I figured, you know,

2925
03:38:31.600 --> 03:38:35.479
I think it looks really nice.
God, Yeah, he's way too lean.

2926
03:38:39.079 --> 03:38:41.159
It's almost not even muscular, you
know. I mean, he looks

2927
03:38:41.920 --> 03:38:45.719
it's good for for like you said, looking ripped, but when he's got

2928
03:38:45.719 --> 03:38:48.840
regular clothes on, he looks like
a like he's trying to be a model

2929
03:38:48.840 --> 03:38:50.280
more than a box. And this
is one of my biggest pet peeves of

2930
03:38:50.600 --> 03:38:56.639
any movie. I hate when they
play the theme music of the movie in

2931
03:38:56.799 --> 03:39:00.280
the movie, like it's a real
song. I cannot say it in that

2932
03:39:00.399 --> 03:39:07.280
world. Yeah, and this is
about to get the controversial A glimpse at

2933
03:39:07.280 --> 03:39:11.440
the controversial statue here, Yeah,
says well documented earlier, and enter the

2934
03:39:11.479 --> 03:39:18.159
cinema and this is Oh, there
was a shit you know, I'm going

2935
03:39:18.239 --> 03:39:20.120
to read it while we're doing this. Yeah. Sure, there was an

2936
03:39:20.159 --> 03:39:26.959
email. We got an email actually
about this and what I remembered from Matt

2937
03:39:28.000 --> 03:39:31.600
some local trivia. He says,
I'm looking forward to this. I grew

2938
03:39:31.719 --> 03:39:35.959
up in the same neighborhood as stallone. We both went to Lincoln High School

2939
03:39:35.360 --> 03:39:41.159
three decades apart, so I'm basically
like an expert. In nineteen seventy eight,

2940
03:39:41.319 --> 03:39:45.920
he filmed a scene at Lincoln's auditorium
for Rocky two, which he finally

2941
03:39:45.920 --> 03:39:48.440
gets his diploma, and we first
learned that Rocky's real name is Robert,

2942
03:39:48.680 --> 03:39:52.920
but it was never used in the
movie and no video footage exists. All

2943
03:39:52.000 --> 03:39:56.879
that remains is a single frame on
a bubblegum card from nineteen seventy nine attached.

2944
03:39:58.079 --> 03:40:01.319
Wow funny the story that Stallone felt
so bad about the scene being cut

2945
03:40:01.559 --> 03:40:05.639
that he gave Lincoln some TV time
in Rocky three. In the scene right

2946
03:40:05.680 --> 03:40:09.799
here, that's the Lincoln Band,
Lincoln Marching Bone. Oh yes, that's

2947
03:40:09.879 --> 03:40:13.360
right. As they unveiled the statue. They they aren't really identified, so

2948
03:40:13.719 --> 03:40:16.159
they are they have they're they're they're
signed, their their logo, the name

2949
03:40:16.280 --> 03:40:20.440
is on the thing. And then
he gives some phones, so Matt,

2950
03:40:20.879 --> 03:40:24.799
you know, Matt jh. He
gave some stuff there, and he gave

2951
03:40:24.879 --> 03:40:30.799
some photos and stuff like that.
And I guess he says that he recalls

2952
03:40:30.840 --> 03:40:35.239
many times in high school people would
mention Stallone used to go there and that

2953
03:40:35.360 --> 03:40:39.159
he was put in the slow classes
because they they thought he was quote unquote

2954
03:40:39.239 --> 03:40:43.719
retarded right repeatedly for year. And
it was kind of like this weird thing,

2955
03:40:43.879 --> 03:40:48.079
like basically, our fucking retort won
an Academy Award. Well he didn't,

2956
03:40:48.079 --> 03:40:54.959
he didn't win nominated. So the
movie the movie One, but he

2957
03:40:54.040 --> 03:40:58.399
didn't win. So not my word, that was the word in the email.

2958
03:40:58.920 --> 03:41:03.440
Yes, it's you knowing the language
of the time. Yes, indeed,

2959
03:41:03.040 --> 03:41:07.479
so Rocky taking the podium upon the
unveiling of his statue. Now,

2960
03:41:07.600 --> 03:41:11.120
it's like, it's kind of funny, like I know when you think about

2961
03:41:11.159 --> 03:41:16.440
it in terms of the of the
of the movie itself, Like the steps,

2962
03:41:16.559 --> 03:41:20.200
why do they fucking matter to the
city of Philadelphia. They matter to

2963
03:41:20.319 --> 03:41:26.000
movie audiences that he that's what's famous
about it. Like nobody was fucking there

2964
03:41:26.040 --> 03:41:28.959
when he climbed the steps and Rocky
won. That's true, you know,

2965
03:41:28.239 --> 03:41:31.799
Like you know, if he wins
the world titled you imagine he'd do a

2966
03:41:31.840 --> 03:41:35.959
bunch of interviews about how and where
he trained. I guess why don't they

2967
03:41:37.000 --> 03:41:39.360
put the fucking then? Why didn't
they put the fucking statue in the in

2968
03:41:39.479 --> 03:41:43.159
the meatpacking plan? Where the fuck
that was? You know, boxing the

2969
03:41:43.280 --> 03:41:48.159
steaks and ship and the carcasses of
the cows. At least we get the

2970
03:41:48.200 --> 03:41:54.879
food back. That's right. He
just suggested he might retire. Looks Adrian,

2971
03:41:54.959 --> 03:41:58.920
here comes clever Lang. Don't give
the sucker o statue? Give him

2972
03:42:01.920 --> 03:42:05.120
Jesus, what a what a what
an angle ale, Yeah, totally is

2973
03:42:05.159 --> 03:42:13.520
got the hell out of hair,
got on shooting an angle. I mean

2974
03:42:13.600 --> 03:42:18.440
that's the loan's wearing nice pin stripe
suit right here. You know, you've

2975
03:42:18.440 --> 03:42:28.319
got a big mount, you know, whoa whoa Yeah. So this is

2976
03:42:28.360 --> 03:42:31.559
it? Like this is it.
It's great, it's and and team makes

2977
03:42:31.600 --> 03:42:37.760
a good point with it, you
know, talking about how he's been you

2978
03:42:37.840 --> 03:42:41.000
know here he is this, this
this you know this this incredible fighter,

2979
03:42:41.079 --> 03:42:46.040
this tough fighter, has not been
given a chance and he's hungry. Absolutely

2980
03:42:52.040 --> 03:42:58.000
makes a claim, makes the claim
that that that Rocky has been fighting set

2981
03:42:58.079 --> 03:43:11.079
up upon it's not real contenders for
the title, which Mickey doesn't want Clubver

2982
03:43:11.159 --> 03:43:13.760
to get a shot, and Sylvester
is like, what were you talking about?

2983
03:43:18.200 --> 03:43:22.959
Mm hmm see he doesn't. Mickey's
finished, doesn't want anything to do

2984
03:43:24.680 --> 03:43:28.879
with being pulled into a fight with
this clever Lang character. B' just Meredith,

2985
03:43:28.920 --> 03:43:35.200
my fucking mouth man. How the
hell that he survived? Oh oh,

2986
03:43:37.040 --> 03:43:46.559
he's inviting Adrian to uh to jump
snob take a. He wants he

2987
03:43:46.680 --> 03:43:50.399
wants to Clubver her Lang perfect angle. I mean, this is it's wrestling

2988
03:43:50.760 --> 03:43:56.040
seventies per wrestling, you know,
pull apart, goes the heel goes too

2989
03:43:56.200 --> 03:44:00.959
far, kind of goes below the
belt and try to get under the skin

2990
03:44:01.040 --> 03:44:03.079
of the challenger and draw him out
to give him a shot at the title.

2991
03:44:03.120 --> 03:44:13.559
And Rocky is beside himself as they
return to the Man's furious. He

2992
03:44:16.360 --> 03:44:24.239
because it's true, rock We're going. I wonder why they called him what

2993
03:44:24.479 --> 03:44:33.280
Matt said, They called him we're
going, We're going come back? Now?

2994
03:44:33.280 --> 03:44:37.319
Why doesn't Mickey he thinks Rocky should
retire, Like, why is he

2995
03:44:37.399 --> 03:44:43.879
so mad about him fighting? You
can't try because he's been setting up,

2996
03:44:43.319 --> 03:44:48.639
setting up the fights. I think
he just said this guy will kill you

2997
03:44:48.760 --> 03:45:01.360
to death. That it's hungry.
I'm hung now, Yeah, I'm fucking

2998
03:45:01.399 --> 03:45:03.040
starving. But it didn't make me
want to win a fight. Yeah,

2999
03:45:03.120 --> 03:45:07.959
Hogan isn't hungry. You just had
a large Italian a small one too for

3000
03:45:07.040 --> 03:45:11.319
them, man. Yeah, Mickey
tayling Rocky that he's been setting him up

3001
03:45:11.319 --> 03:45:16.520
ever since he won the title.
Nobody like Cluver Lang ye over. I

3002
03:45:16.600 --> 03:45:22.239
guess a lot of has been fighters
name recognition, but not not a chance

3003
03:45:22.280 --> 03:45:28.000
to win what we like to call
legends here at World Wrestling Entertainment. Yeah,

3004
03:45:28.040 --> 03:45:37.079
they did have legend legend uh legend
contracts in the World Boxing Federation.

3005
03:45:37.399 --> 03:45:43.319
The originally the original WBS really been
a legends night ever since Bell Bubba won

3006
03:45:43.399 --> 03:45:50.920
the title, a big, long
ass legends night. They have like I

3007
03:45:50.959 --> 03:45:56.000
don't know, I don't know old
boxers Jack Johnson, Oh, yes,

3008
03:45:56.079 --> 03:46:07.280
of course, Jack Johnson, Floyd
Patterson, Roti pat Patterson, Mike Tyson,

3009
03:46:07.440 --> 03:46:13.639
Steve Austin. Thank you A real
pugilist. You think he had the

3010
03:46:13.680 --> 03:46:26.399
pugilistic decadents. A pugilistic decadence sounds
like a fucking medical condition. Well,

3011
03:46:26.680 --> 03:46:30.959
you know, I gotta tell you
we uh, I'm gonna diagnose you with

3012
03:46:31.399 --> 03:46:37.079
pugilistic decads Well you know, I
gotta tell you what a doctor the fuck?

3013
03:46:37.760 --> 03:46:43.159
Well, you know I gotta tell
you you have cancer. I'll tell

3014
03:46:43.159 --> 03:46:46.399
you this is gonna be rough for
me telling you this, But you've got

3015
03:46:46.440 --> 03:46:50.559
some pugilistic decadents. He's your son. I don't know what I can do

3016
03:46:50.719 --> 03:46:58.440
about. He's probably just reverting to
a state of childhood dependence. Take him

3017
03:46:58.440 --> 03:47:01.760
home, introduce him to the kid. Childhood pugilistic decadence is what it is,

3018
03:47:01.799 --> 03:47:07.000
is not dependix. So Mickey's having
a heart to heart on the couch

3019
03:47:07.000 --> 03:47:09.200
here with Rocky, and I find
myself struggling to care. Boss. Yes,

3020
03:47:11.239 --> 03:47:13.520
let's get on with the fight.
I don't care about character in this

3021
03:47:13.680 --> 03:47:18.000
movie. I care about fighting.
Where's Hulk Hogan? Thanks? Gone,

3022
03:47:18.040 --> 03:47:22.399
Now we can wrap it up.
If that's what you're waiting for. Just

3023
03:47:22.399 --> 03:47:26.440
stop the movie. Now, there's
one more WrestleMania one participant together a belt

3024
03:47:26.479 --> 03:47:31.040
here, and to win a belt
too for that matter. Spoiler alert,

3025
03:47:31.120 --> 03:47:35.239
Sorry, those are you not what? I've never seen Rocky tah before.

3026
03:47:35.959 --> 03:47:45.040
But cluver Lang wins, got it? Yeah, clubver Long, twist table

3027
03:47:45.159 --> 03:47:54.280
for long. Fritz Lang also wins
clubber Lang descendant of Fritz German au Tour.

3028
03:47:54.840 --> 03:47:56.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're
gonna fight in the Metropolis later tonight.

3029
03:47:56.959 --> 03:48:05.440
Exactly. I think that's the clubb
Lang is the no. So wait

3030
03:48:05.479 --> 03:48:11.879
a minute. Rocky trains at a
hotel. Now he's got to promote ship.

3031
03:48:13.920 --> 03:48:18.280
Look at this cardboard cutouts of the
man, balloons everywhere, a ring

3032
03:48:18.920 --> 03:48:24.280
set up in the middle of this
hotel ballroom. My god, look at

3033
03:48:24.319 --> 03:48:30.479
that aster. Yeah, I know, pushing merch. Oh, they even

3034
03:48:30.520 --> 03:48:35.840
have the inflatable sand bottom punching bags. That I used to have. There's

3035
03:48:35.959 --> 03:48:43.879
music, there's food, there's spirits, the Hodge, there's a Leroy Naman

3036
03:48:45.479 --> 03:48:52.200
picture paintings going on here. Paul, he looking like a bitch. Yeah,

3037
03:48:52.399 --> 03:48:56.520
he always looks like idiot. He
always looks like he's slinging fried dough,

3038
03:48:56.600 --> 03:49:05.399
doesn't he That's what you'd rather be
doing that anyway, rockyest me.

3039
03:49:07.319 --> 03:49:11.959
We know who pro Wrestling's version is
of this cat, Yes, wreck Rocky

3040
03:49:13.079 --> 03:49:24.680
is Leon Vader White. Mickey says, this is a bullshit area to work

3041
03:49:24.719 --> 03:49:28.360
out. I feel I feel like
maybe was Burgess. Meredith is a mom

3042
03:49:28.399 --> 03:49:33.399
who had the double four steps in
her fucking pussy because it's all in the

3043
03:49:33.520 --> 03:49:39.760
place half his face, you know. So here's the contrast, right,

3044
03:49:39.559 --> 03:49:48.600
Rocky is hitting the bag ceremonial,
Die fucking die, worthless idiot, you

3045
03:49:48.680 --> 03:49:56.440
found the Rambow headband. Oh sweaty
a blonder on the cheek, Tya Shire

3046
03:49:56.559 --> 03:50:03.120
like, fuck you bitch. She
doesn't love that look at this. Mickey's

3047
03:50:03.120 --> 03:50:07.680
telling Rocky's gonna kill him. And
so what we're doing is we're juxtaposing shots

3048
03:50:07.680 --> 03:50:11.159
of Rocky having this, you know, kind of performative training session in a

3049
03:50:11.239 --> 03:50:16.840
fancy hotel ballroom with club or lang
alone, just killing his abs with sit

3050
03:50:16.959 --> 03:50:22.200
ups, hitting the bag as hard
as he can, and Rocky is literally

3051
03:50:22.440 --> 03:50:31.799
dancing bubbles in the air Italian stallion
right like you said, this is like,

3052
03:50:31.959 --> 03:50:35.959
you know, this reminds me of
kind of the restumating a twelve build.

3053
03:50:37.000 --> 03:50:43.399
Yes, it's also very reminiscent of
Rocky Brock at SummerSlam two thousand and

3054
03:50:43.399 --> 03:50:46.520
two. Yeah, you're right,
yep, that kind of sports. You

3055
03:50:46.639 --> 03:50:52.360
put the training footage side by side
and draw inferences about what their respective strengths

3056
03:50:52.399 --> 03:50:56.920
will be from their training regiments.
Rocky being running the lake and pulling Mickey

3057
03:50:56.959 --> 03:51:03.440
behind him on the bicycle hockey.
Yeah, feeling strong. Look at him,

3058
03:51:07.559 --> 03:51:24.959
that's stallone ejaculating you do. That
was well coming. Right, So,

3059
03:51:26.040 --> 03:51:28.399
now the the crowd has left the
ballroom and Rocky's putting in that real

3060
03:51:28.479 --> 03:51:35.840
work catch pneumonia. Why is it
not heated in there? Must not be.

3061
03:51:35.200 --> 03:51:37.959
Oh, he's got two point nine
percent body fat, so he's probably

3062
03:51:39.040 --> 03:51:41.639
just fucking freezing. You know,
as I look at Rocky's color scheme on

3063
03:51:41.680 --> 03:51:46.520
his outfit, there is his tights. Ho can kind of wore those colors

3064
03:51:46.559 --> 03:51:50.680
in the AWA black and yellow yeah, when I think about it. Yeah,

3065
03:51:50.120 --> 03:51:54.760
so he and literally the other guys
wearing red, the red hung yellow.

3066
03:51:56.600 --> 03:51:58.559
He just ran with this whole movie
all the way to the bank.

3067
03:51:58.600 --> 03:52:01.520
He really did. Oh totally,
this is it man, This is the

3068
03:52:01.600 --> 03:52:05.959
spark, like you said, of
the whole thing, and yeah, oh,

3069
03:52:05.040 --> 03:52:13.440
without a doubt, without a doubt, we're Beckon and Milt here.

3070
03:52:16.239 --> 03:52:22.559
I don't know, it's just San
Jose. This the cow Palace. You're

3071
03:52:22.799 --> 03:52:26.680
Rangy Rangel. You're in the best
name of your career. You always hard

3072
03:52:26.760 --> 03:52:39.000
hitting questions from Yeah, well that's
what kind of camera is that? Mm

3073
03:52:39.120 --> 03:52:41.200
hmm. I want to be alone. They have cornered Clever Lang in the

3074
03:52:41.239 --> 03:52:46.079
middle in some part of the building
to let him not be photographed. He's

3075
03:52:46.120 --> 03:52:48.840
like, I want to be alone, and you keep cornering him. They

3076
03:52:48.920 --> 03:52:52.520
keep sucking, going closer and closer, and it's like, you're gonna die.

3077
03:52:52.719 --> 03:52:56.719
This guy's gonna kill all of you. How about giving him an actual

3078
03:52:56.760 --> 03:53:01.319
fucking locker room instead of putting him
in him with lockers, right, which

3079
03:53:01.360 --> 03:53:11.200
is a big difference. There is
there's Apollo. He was himself. Yeah,

3080
03:53:11.239 --> 03:53:16.600
he was in our last out of
the cinemat too. Remember Dieard.

3081
03:53:16.079 --> 03:53:22.680
What I call the guy Carl Weathers? Yeah, no, he'll be in

3082
03:53:22.719 --> 03:53:26.479
a couple of future ones. I'll
tell you that. But what was the

3083
03:53:26.520 --> 03:53:31.600
guy's name? From Family Matters?
Reginald Phil Johnson? A couple of Carl

3084
03:53:31.680 --> 03:53:43.200
Weathers, Carl winslow car awesome,
of course, Carl Weather's greatest performance did

3085
03:53:43.239 --> 03:53:48.879
you ask me? Is an arrested
development? Have you seen it? I

3086
03:53:48.959 --> 03:53:50.319
know what you're talking about. Oh
my god, he's so fucking great.

3087
03:53:52.159 --> 03:53:58.440
He talks about eating a burger king
and you can get free refills. I

3088
03:53:58.600 --> 03:54:05.040
told you it's about food. It's
my food. So clubver Lang confronting Rocky

3089
03:54:05.120 --> 03:54:07.440
in the hallway. You washed up. I'm the best, all the best

3090
03:54:07.479 --> 03:54:15.719
in the world. Paper champion.
Wow, the entourages are about to come

3091
03:54:15.760 --> 03:54:20.559
to blows. Here, come on, ref get in there, State patrol.

3092
03:54:20.319 --> 03:54:26.159
Jesus, he's throwing copsh goes Mickey, Mickey taking the bump. Come

3093
03:54:26.200 --> 03:54:30.559
on, God buck me instead of
a bench. Yeah, well, here

3094
03:54:30.600 --> 03:54:35.239
comes a heart attack. It's like
Tim Sheridan. That's what TV is gonna

3095
03:54:35.280 --> 03:54:41.360
look like when he's eighty. Yeah. Adrian beside herself and her fur coat,

3096
03:54:41.399 --> 03:54:45.000
she's living the life. She loves
it. Oh yeah, you know,

3097
03:54:46.159 --> 03:54:46.920
you know, damn well, like
you know, she talks about it

3098
03:54:48.040 --> 03:54:52.639
later, but you know, damn
fucking well, she would be a miserable

3099
03:54:52.799 --> 03:54:56.719
little wench if he if she didn't
have that money coming in. You know

3100
03:54:56.879 --> 03:55:00.799
it. Come on, I didn't
sacrifice. He's all of this just to

3101
03:55:00.879 --> 03:55:03.680
give it away. Rocky, You're
not the only one making a sacrifice here.

3102
03:55:05.319 --> 03:55:07.879
No, Mickey's does not look well. He is clammy. He is

3103
03:55:09.760 --> 03:55:15.799
say you say, he's like,
I'm a juice not well, Jesus Christ,

3104
03:55:15.879 --> 03:55:20.319
look at him. This is kind
of like I think of a wrestling

3105
03:55:20.360 --> 03:55:24.479
angle where like the old guy,
Well, it's kind of like it's kind

3106
03:55:24.479 --> 03:55:37.639
of like Gordon Solely and Morocco and
Piper and whatever. God the movie that

3107
03:55:37.959 --> 03:55:46.399
spawned a million angles promos ideas of
like promotional confrontations. It's all here,

3108
03:55:46.719 --> 03:55:50.239
the raw material. Look at this
raw ross speech for Ricky get out there

3109
03:55:50.280 --> 03:55:54.079
and do it. He will be
a bit did he? I don't think

3110
03:55:54.079 --> 03:56:03.840
he won. Take a look look
here when crowds channing Rocky. Yep,

3111
03:56:03.559 --> 03:56:09.600
Mickey gives one last get out there
and do it speech. He's Rocky.

3112
03:56:09.760 --> 03:56:16.559
Uh god. He was born in
nineteen o seven. Rocky with one last

3113
03:56:16.760 --> 03:56:22.799
entreaty to Adrian to take care of
his beloved trainer, and he lays eyes

3114
03:56:22.840 --> 03:56:24.079
on him, perhaps for the final
time, as he makes his way to

3115
03:56:24.159 --> 03:56:33.920
the ring and clubver Lang and Rocky
Balboa now in the ring for me.

3116
03:56:35.000 --> 03:56:43.680
He was even nominated for the Original
Rocky renouncer introducing Apollo Creed to the live

3117
03:56:43.760 --> 03:56:52.719
audience here refusing to shake the hand. No has been That's right, Apollo

3118
03:56:52.799 --> 03:56:54.399
Creed is a bitch. That's right
right in his face. What do you

3119
03:56:54.399 --> 03:57:09.719
can do about it? Reginald Johnson's
awful m m The south Side Slugger.

3120
03:57:11.639 --> 03:57:16.239
Yeah, he was nominated. He
was nominated for the Original One. Best

3121
03:57:16.239 --> 03:57:26.360
Supporting Actor. He was nominated.
Sloan Talia Shire. Bert Young even nominated

3122
03:57:26.399 --> 03:57:28.000
for Best Supporting Actor. Look at
that, oh your favorite? Look at

3123
03:57:28.040 --> 03:57:33.719
that? Well you're still a bitch
then, so fuck it. He still

3124
03:57:33.760 --> 03:57:39.520
looks like a guy who drives his
mother to or doctor's appointments every Tuesday and

3125
03:57:39.639 --> 03:57:41.920
takes it and and takes a little
payday from her. Yeah, yeah right,

3126
03:57:43.639 --> 03:57:46.399
yep. Mom's got to come out
of pocket for the drive through lunch

3127
03:57:46.799 --> 03:57:54.520
on the way back, is it. Jimmy Lennon on the ring announcing.

3128
03:57:56.239 --> 03:58:01.000
No, I'm not sure that ring
announcer. Definitely still the trainer here for

3129
03:58:01.799 --> 03:58:05.559
Yeah, there he is. Now
that is that's Jimmy Lennon Senior. I

3130
03:58:05.639 --> 03:58:09.639
think let me see, is that
Jimmy Lennon. I don't know that's what

3131
03:58:09.719 --> 03:58:13.559
you're talking about? Famous ring announcer
and boxing. You can't be that famous.

3132
03:58:13.600 --> 03:58:20.000
Don't know what is senor? Yeah? That is him? Here we

3133
03:58:20.079 --> 03:58:28.680
go. Marty Dankin presiding that come
to center. Are sure it's not Buddy

3134
03:58:28.719 --> 03:58:35.840
Hackett? Who the referee? I'm
not sure. Actually, we'll see if

3135
03:58:35.920 --> 03:58:39.719
Rocky Balboa can hack it here against
mm hmm medicine Cluver Lang. Curiously,

3136
03:58:41.159 --> 03:58:46.239
he did hack it with thunder lips
earlier on Clubver just referenced meat again.

3137
03:58:48.520 --> 03:58:52.200
He's hungry, after all. It's
not forget that Jack? Is that Jack

3138
03:58:52.319 --> 03:59:00.319
Lemon as well? In Rocky's corner, Jack Lemon and Mathow together an odd

3139
03:59:00.360 --> 03:59:03.639
couple here. That's the problem.
That's why he loses. Well, they

3140
03:59:03.680 --> 03:59:11.319
are wearing yellow clubber looks ready,
he's bouncing on the Bob Coble on commentary

3141
03:59:11.399 --> 03:59:22.319
to Jesus Christ, Jesus Rocky comes
out swinging indiscriminately he's head hunting here.

3142
03:59:22.520 --> 03:59:28.360
He's here. He wants to beat
Tim down. This like ruins boxing in

3143
03:59:28.440 --> 03:59:31.200
so many ways. To think that
punches make this sound when they land,

3144
03:59:31.360 --> 03:59:35.600
well also to think that punches is
fucking like. Nobody fights like this in

3145
03:59:35.680 --> 03:59:39.440
box. Nobody. There's no defense
their their necks are being turned around with

3146
03:59:39.520 --> 03:59:43.319
every shot. God, put your
hands out. The whiplash here is.

3147
03:59:43.840 --> 03:59:48.680
There's no hesitation. There's no pausing, right, not at all. No

3148
03:59:48.879 --> 03:59:54.600
dancing is no punches, oh clupp
Langs coming from downtown with those, there's

3149
03:59:54.639 --> 04:00:00.799
no discipline there. He's taking them
back to the south Side Price and they're

3150
04:00:00.840 --> 04:00:07.079
real in mind went boxing, yep, real fucking haymakers. And look at

3151
04:00:07.120 --> 04:00:11.239
that Jesus Christ. He's looked like
and it's letting him hit him like put

3152
04:00:11.280 --> 04:00:13.280
your hands up, pal, He
doesn't know where he is. One oh

3153
04:00:13.440 --> 04:00:18.520
bell sounds mercifully as Lang lands one
more stiff left hook and uh, PAULA

3154
04:00:18.600 --> 04:00:22.760
Creed looks nonplussed. I'll tell you, Paul, because you know why he's

3155
04:00:22.799 --> 04:00:28.920
embarrassed. I lost right. That's
it, man, when somebody beats you

3156
04:00:28.120 --> 04:00:31.319
for the rest of your life,
you root for that person, so you

3157
04:00:31.399 --> 04:00:41.239
look okay By comparison. He's too
strong. You don't smoke him. I

3158
04:00:41.319 --> 04:00:48.200
can't get him off a panic Rocky
Balboa breathlessly telling his corner he can't do

3159
04:00:48.319 --> 04:00:50.920
it. Well, do they care
enough to keep him alive? Mickey?

3160
04:00:52.079 --> 04:00:54.520
No, they give up on him. Yeah, I say that, just

3161
04:00:54.600 --> 04:01:00.520
as we see the vitals bug get
out here, call them morgue. Is

3162
04:01:00.559 --> 04:01:03.760
there symbolism and his trainer dying as
he's getting killed in the ring. Ah,

3163
04:01:03.920 --> 04:01:07.799
yes, there is actually thank you
especially later too. Is that Hogan's

3164
04:01:07.840 --> 04:01:11.680
hat? I thought I saw some
pink feathers. I thought one surprised me

3165
04:01:11.719 --> 04:01:15.079
if he was a vip here.
I mean they did raise seventy five grand

3166
04:01:15.120 --> 04:01:18.760
together. Oh Jesus, And now
it's the right hooks of club are lagging,

3167
04:01:18.879 --> 04:01:20.719
loading them up, where as the
hands. What are you guys doing?

3168
04:01:22.000 --> 04:01:24.840
Why is punches just letting him take
him out? First of all,

3169
04:01:24.920 --> 04:01:28.399
they would have stopped this fight,
oh four hundred punches ago, but no

3170
04:01:28.559 --> 04:01:35.239
standing out. Count Jesus Christ,
it's kind of ridiculous. Put your hands

3171
04:01:35.319 --> 04:01:39.159
up, look at him sitting duck
and they paused. Oh, here we

3172
04:01:39.239 --> 04:01:45.040
go, laying loads up in slow
mo and bang the left hook kills Balboa

3173
04:01:45.479 --> 04:01:50.879
he goes down like a like a
video game character. Yep, Rocky came

3174
04:01:50.879 --> 04:01:54.120
out so confident, didn't he,
boss Uh letting those hands fly. Rocky

3175
04:01:54.159 --> 04:01:56.319
Balboa came out so confident in the
beginning, like there is going to be

3176
04:01:56.360 --> 04:02:01.000
another walk in the park. Now
he's realizing how favorably he's been match made,

3177
04:02:01.120 --> 04:02:05.120
how much of a bitch he really
is. And as the ten count

3178
04:02:05.200 --> 04:02:11.399
expires, so does Mickey. That's
right, Mickey expires along with Rocky's championship

3179
04:02:11.440 --> 04:02:18.760
reign. It's all coming crashing down. It's gonna hurt inside. Rocket doesn't

3180
04:02:18.760 --> 04:02:22.200
know where he is. He's still
fighting. I don't know where he is

3181
04:02:22.280 --> 04:02:28.680
for that matter, I don't know
where they shot this. Jimmy Lennon Senior

3182
04:02:28.719 --> 04:02:33.120
with the announcement the new heavyweight Champion
of the World clubber Lang And yeah,

3183
04:02:33.479 --> 04:02:37.639
it just went down real quick for
one Rocky Balboa. Phil Apollo Creed here

3184
04:02:39.280 --> 04:02:46.879
not very Xavier Woods of the New
Day. His original ring name in TNA

3185
04:02:46.040 --> 04:02:52.840
was Consequences Creed. Was it really? Yeah? It was? Uh,

3186
04:02:54.600 --> 04:03:01.600
It's funny because stallone was, of
course, the executive produced the Contenders.

3187
04:03:01.680 --> 04:03:22.159
Reality is very true, great themes, much like I pointed out they found

3188
04:03:22.200 --> 04:03:28.520
themselves having to in post production add
sound effects of Punch's landing for the actual

3189
04:03:28.600 --> 04:03:33.399
fights that they put the reality show. They really, yes, they did,

3190
04:03:33.440 --> 04:03:39.159
and they edited the fights heavily to
speed them up and just like hone

3191
04:03:39.200 --> 04:03:41.920
in on the moments of exchange that
resembled the movie. Well that I understand.

3192
04:03:43.520 --> 04:03:48.280
Yeah, I guess you know,
this movie, this movie very much

3193
04:03:48.399 --> 04:03:54.520
settled burned into the public imagination what
it was that a boxing fight looked like

3194
04:03:54.159 --> 04:03:56.639
all of them. I mean they
all you know, that's it said.

3195
04:03:56.680 --> 04:04:01.360
Everyone wanted boxing fights to be rocky
movies. And right, you know,

3196
04:04:01.719 --> 04:04:09.639
like you can't do it. That's
why we have wrestling, because you can

3197
04:04:09.799 --> 04:04:16.200
do it exactly rock. In Mickey's
bedside, he is laboring just to breathe

3198
04:04:16.239 --> 04:04:18.719
here tears streaming down his face.
I think he knows this is the end,

3199
04:04:18.840 --> 04:04:28.719
boss. Maybe it might just be
taking a nap. Actually call off

3200
04:04:28.799 --> 04:04:39.639
the corner. I remember watching this
when I saw this the first time,

3201
04:04:41.040 --> 04:04:50.200
being very surprised that that Mickey dies, you know dies. Yeah, you

3202
04:04:50.319 --> 04:04:52.520
know, I didn't really know.
And this early in the movie, I

3203
04:04:52.600 --> 04:04:56.920
mean, we're halfway through, but
you know, it does move. This

3204
04:04:56.040 --> 04:05:01.760
move movie moves briskly. I remember
a lot more distance between the Hogan and

3205
04:05:01.799 --> 04:05:05.000
clubb Lang fight than that, And
I mean that's the thing too, like

3206
04:05:05.120 --> 04:05:09.000
it moves very briskly, unlike the
second one, which moves at just the

3207
04:05:09.120 --> 04:05:13.879
sow's past possible. Right, they
packed two movies out of this one.

3208
04:05:15.239 --> 04:05:18.319
They really did. Again. They
should have built they should have had a

3209
04:05:18.360 --> 04:05:22.600
Hogan thing, I mean, honestly, so, yeah, he has lost

3210
04:05:22.680 --> 04:05:26.520
Mickey. He's like Jesus Christ,
I said, I needed a corner,

3211
04:05:26.639 --> 04:05:35.920
not a corner, Jesus wailing and
agony on the chest of his fallen It's

3212
04:05:35.959 --> 04:05:39.639
a sad day in the Balboa community
as he loses his world heavyweight title and

3213
04:05:39.840 --> 04:05:43.879
his beloved trainer all in the same
evening. Kind of a rough night.

3214
04:05:43.280 --> 04:05:50.440
I'll say, I want to get
the Suicide watch ready. The Morg is

3215
04:05:50.520 --> 04:05:54.799
the Morg, It's the well,
it's a it's a what do you call

3216
04:05:54.840 --> 04:05:58.120
it? You know, one of
those places in the cemetery where you get

3217
04:05:58.120 --> 04:06:01.959
a lot of bodies what do you
call it? Mausoleum, mausoleum, thank

3218
04:06:03.040 --> 04:06:07.040
you, also known as that place
in the cemetery where we got a lot

3219
04:06:07.079 --> 04:06:15.280
of bodies, including Jesse Ventura,
who I see there. That's the place

3220
04:06:15.319 --> 04:06:18.639
in the cemetery where you got a
lot of bodies. Don't you worry what

3221
04:06:18.719 --> 04:06:24.200
I got Jesse the body right here, notus. What do you think about

3222
04:06:26.760 --> 04:06:30.600
Mickey's character was Jewish? Yes,
they there was a reason they did that

3223
04:06:30.639 --> 04:06:33.159
because everyone kind of thought he was
Irish, because you know Mickey, but

3224
04:06:33.840 --> 04:06:41.399
they they made him Jewish because,
uh, what do you say, Mickey

3225
04:06:41.440 --> 04:06:45.760
gold Mill? Gold Mill, August
fifteenth, nineteen eighty one. Is what

3226
04:06:45.879 --> 04:06:50.079
we're supposed to think this day is
Stallone said that he did it because there

3227
04:06:50.120 --> 04:06:58.200
were a lot of there were a
lot of Jewish boxing managers who were not

3228
04:06:58.600 --> 04:07:03.520
RECOGNI nice because they were Jewish,
and so he wanted to do that to

3229
04:07:03.600 --> 04:07:09.760
honor them. That's a little interesting. Yeah, would we call Mickey his

3230
04:07:09.879 --> 04:07:13.639
manager or trainer? That's a trainer
whatever, whatever you call it. Either

3231
04:07:13.680 --> 04:07:18.319
way, whatever Mickey is, there
are a lot of Jewish people. He's

3232
04:07:18.399 --> 04:07:22.079
like a stand in for the unappreciated
versions of them in reality. That's interesting

3233
04:07:24.399 --> 04:07:26.559
that I did not That's a detail
I did not recall. Yeah, so

3234
04:07:26.719 --> 04:07:31.680
August eighty one, I mean,
this is this is Hogan's starting up with

3235
04:07:31.719 --> 04:07:37.360
a w a the under lips is
moving on and the bigger and better things.

3236
04:07:37.920 --> 04:07:43.719
The question is, is Rocky Balboa
is he moving on? There's the

3237
04:07:43.280 --> 04:07:46.799
there's your stupid statue. I know
when I lose someone close to me,

3238
04:07:46.920 --> 04:07:50.600
I get on my motorcycle and drive
to my statue. Yeah, so I

3239
04:07:50.719 --> 04:07:54.200
did when my grandmother died. He
got on my motorcycle and drove to my

3240
04:07:54.360 --> 04:07:58.639
statue. No, he doesn't even
go to Mickey's statue. And I know

3241
04:07:58.719 --> 04:08:05.000
that they're isn't one, But that's
that's kind of the point, eh man.

3242
04:08:05.040 --> 04:08:07.840
They must feel the gans in that
city there putting that thing up.

3243
04:08:07.120 --> 04:08:09.200
They must feel like fucking chumps.
They put that thing up, and he

3244
04:08:09.280 --> 04:08:16.120
loses the title in two rounds.
Oh shit, right, what a fucking

3245
04:08:16.280 --> 04:08:20.920
dick. That's when the editorial start
about like misuse of public funds. Then

3246
04:08:20.959 --> 04:08:28.680
they start talking about fucking Bill Belichick. Bill Belichick. Shit, no wonder

3247
04:08:28.719 --> 04:08:31.920
there was controversy in the city about
putting the statue back. I mean,

3248
04:08:33.600 --> 04:08:35.440
oh, you know, he's a
loser, he's a bad omen. What

3249
04:08:35.559 --> 04:08:39.280
the fuck we go? I don't
want that thing on my heart art museum?

3250
04:08:39.799 --> 04:08:43.680
What the fuck are we doing that
for art? It's commercial bullshit,

3251
04:08:45.280 --> 04:08:48.680
that's right. But commercialism is art. It's post modern art. Yeah,

3252
04:08:48.719 --> 04:08:52.760
didn't you hear me? Just read
about Venturi or whatever? Ventura. That's

3253
04:08:52.840 --> 04:08:58.319
right, I'm a postmodern artist.
I don't think you knew that. But

3254
04:08:58.440 --> 04:09:01.000
I do like my good every now
and again. I do like a good

3255
04:09:01.079 --> 04:09:13.120
dose of postmodernism in my coffee.
Look at this Rocky in a forlorn state.

3256
04:09:13.159 --> 04:09:16.360
He's made his way over to the
original Mickey's trading gym, and yeah,

3257
04:09:16.360 --> 04:09:18.319
maybe if he's trained there for the
fight, he would have won.

3258
04:09:18.520 --> 04:09:24.319
Oh uh, oh so Apaulo Creed
just hangs out in Mickey's gym in the

3259
04:09:24.440 --> 04:09:37.920
dark. He doesn't Mickey, he
doesn't miss hangs out there in his fucking

3260
04:09:39.319 --> 04:09:45.399
white overcoat. Of course. He
just indicated that he actually went to Rocky's

3261
04:09:45.440 --> 04:09:48.120
house and Arion said she hadn't seen
him in an hour, so I knew

3262
04:09:48.120 --> 04:09:52.200
you'd be here for a day.
It's kind of like the version, this

3263
04:09:52.360 --> 04:09:58.360
movie's version of uh Kevin's mom finding
him at the Christmas tree. He knows

3264
04:09:58.399 --> 04:10:05.479
where he'd be right right exactly.
Mm hmm. Let me let me tell

3265
04:10:05.479 --> 04:10:07.959
you what if you lost your world
title, what would you be doing right

3266
04:10:09.040 --> 04:10:18.600
now? Probably the same thing you're
doing Rocky. So he's going to counsel

3267
04:10:18.719 --> 04:10:24.479
Rocky through this loser. Yeah,
funk that he's going to be in now

3268
04:10:33.799 --> 04:10:37.319
what oh why? This is a
good job in this movie. Sure does

3269
04:10:37.920 --> 04:10:43.000
an inspired performance. I like it. I don't like Carwe's that much,

3270
04:10:43.239 --> 04:10:48.319
but I do like him in this
onetor yeah, coming soon too, under

3271
04:10:48.319 --> 04:10:54.319
the Cinematon third body in that one. That's right. I am in the

3272
04:10:54.920 --> 04:11:01.520
Arnold Schwarzenegger motion picture Predator. I
play a Amanda And what I'm gonna do

3273
04:11:01.639 --> 04:11:07.600
there is I'm gonna kick some ash
out of an alien. And that's that

3274
04:11:07.799 --> 04:11:13.399
is how he says alien. It's
part of his you could say body of

3275
04:11:13.440 --> 04:11:22.760
work. Jesse Vittura raw Ross speech
here from Carl weathers, I are the

3276
04:11:22.840 --> 04:11:28.360
tiger man. You know what we
should do instead of that, you know,

3277
04:11:28.440 --> 04:11:31.239
instead of doing the box and there, maybe you know I should write

3278
04:11:31.239 --> 04:11:35.920
a song? Well, I am
a tiger. Do you think? Well

3279
04:11:35.920 --> 04:11:39.040
do you think of Paulo write a
song? I'm going to go back in

3280
04:11:39.079 --> 04:11:46.559
this dark corner for an hour and
a half like my dark corner. CLUBB

3281
04:11:46.040 --> 04:11:50.959
CLUBB CLUBB. You're being interviewed on
television there, clever and daddy fuck it?

3282
04:11:52.600 --> 04:11:56.760
Yeah, exactly clever and Lane.
It is clevering time, you know.

3283
04:11:56.879 --> 04:12:03.040
It's sitting there like this is this
is fucking weird. This is Hogan

3284
04:12:03.200 --> 04:12:07.319
watching Zeus and no holds Bard totally. Yeah, they took this. It's

3285
04:12:07.360 --> 04:12:11.639
fucking Vern watching tape, watching film
and the Wrestler. Oh god, fuck,

3286
04:12:11.280 --> 04:12:16.000
don't even get me started. So
it's just so weird that they're all

3287
04:12:16.040 --> 04:12:18.360
sitting so close to each other on
the couch, like the shoulder and shoulder

3288
04:12:18.399 --> 04:12:24.399
here. It's true. I can't
be beat. I won't beat just the

3289
04:12:24.440 --> 04:12:28.600
camera, mister t What a fucking
he should have gotten not many for an

3290
04:12:28.639 --> 04:12:33.879
oscar for this fucking role, easily. Yeah, it's a first time actor,

3291
04:12:35.239 --> 04:12:39.440
did uh Paully he was in The
Wrestler too. He looks like some

3292
04:12:39.520 --> 04:12:43.520
guy that worked in the office or
something, doesn't it look like Alos like

3293
04:12:43.559 --> 04:12:48.719
the love child of Vern and Uh
and Uh and lou Grant there and as

3294
04:12:52.959 --> 04:13:03.120
God classic ship. Mhmm, what
do you mean, what do you want?

3295
04:13:03.120 --> 04:13:07.520
We do? Give you a hand
job? Paul? What a favorite

3296
04:13:07.959 --> 04:13:16.719
sexual favor? Mm? The Golden
Daddy, the fucking so gaudy Gordon Gecko's

3297
04:13:16.760 --> 04:13:24.079
House, Jesus way too for Gordon
Gecko. This is eighties opulence, you

3298
04:13:24.159 --> 04:13:26.840
know, that's what we're seeing here, Like, Daddy, why do I

3299
04:13:26.879 --> 04:13:31.920
have to wear a suit every day? Daddy? How come I'm raised by

3300
04:13:31.000 --> 04:13:35.520
other people? Why do you wear
a three piece suit every fucking day?

3301
04:13:35.639 --> 04:13:39.360
Dad? Why do you wear a
three pce suit? To dad? Are

3302
04:13:39.360 --> 04:13:43.959
you? John Cena? This is
no ship that so sad that he's hanging

3303
04:13:43.000 --> 04:13:46.479
on to this era? This is
this is Flair to in the eighties,

3304
04:13:46.520 --> 04:13:50.239
you know, yeah, totally like
everything Rocky is in this movie, you

3305
04:13:50.319 --> 04:13:52.600
know, with all the fame and
fortune, it's all the trappings that are

3306
04:13:52.639 --> 04:13:56.399
Rick Flair is trying to copy.
And that's your son. What a fucking

3307
04:13:56.520 --> 04:14:01.760
loser, that's your fucking son with
those dorky Sary Sarah Sally Jesse, Raphael

3308
04:14:01.879 --> 04:14:09.600
fucking a. Here's a reference for
that ass. On Maple Avenue in Philly.

3309
04:14:11.959 --> 04:14:16.399
We hit a. I think we're
in l A. However we're in

3310
04:14:16.559 --> 04:14:20.479
la Yeah, in l a uhaul. I don't know where Maple is,

3311
04:14:20.520 --> 04:14:24.639
but oh, that's definitely an l
A bum. Mickey Roach's place, huh

3312
04:14:24.440 --> 04:14:33.239
at uh Freddie Roach's place. Geez, a taxi's got a bad wheel.

3313
04:14:37.760 --> 04:14:41.680
Thanks for that. Paulie for setting
the scene. You know, why don't

3314
04:14:41.719 --> 04:14:46.600
you say that when you got the
tickets, you fly all the way out

3315
04:14:46.600 --> 04:14:50.319
there. You flew out there.
You're fucking what thought were doing in la

3316
04:14:52.200 --> 04:14:54.040
when he got what he got in
the cab at l a X. You

3317
04:14:54.079 --> 04:15:00.959
thought they were taking them to Portland
about a ten hour drive. Oh,

3318
04:15:01.040 --> 04:15:07.559
yes, racist is coming out soon. Yeah, I know what they're doing.

3319
04:15:07.639 --> 04:15:13.520
They go to the Olympic to see
Hulk wrestle. Yeah, is that

3320
04:15:13.639 --> 04:15:20.399
Hogan right there? You know he's
blonde, he's going a mustache. I

3321
04:15:20.520 --> 04:15:24.000
love how his wife comes with him
and leaves the child behind. I was

3322
04:15:24.079 --> 04:15:26.680
like, what is she doing there? Like like way way to make the

3323
04:15:26.719 --> 04:15:31.520
feel the kid feel loved. I
thought you weren't supposed to fucking training camp,

3324
04:15:31.559 --> 04:15:33.280
by the way. Huh. I
thought you weren't supposed to have sex

3325
04:15:33.319 --> 04:15:35.040
in training camp. By the way. The last thing you want to bring

3326
04:15:35.079 --> 04:15:41.959
along is your wife. In terms
of temptation, Oh man, he's entering

3327
04:15:41.040 --> 04:15:48.239
a sweat box full of killers here. Apollo Creed has found him some training

3328
04:15:48.280 --> 04:15:56.959
partners extraordinaiy fucking fucking Ooh, She's
gonna don't miss the message here. Rocky

3329
04:15:56.040 --> 04:15:58.959
has to train with black men to
de feed a black man. That's right,

3330
04:16:00.000 --> 04:16:06.680
you know what I mean? Menacing
looking motherfuckers. Oh this is Apollo

3331
04:16:06.760 --> 04:16:11.440
creep stopping ground started. He started
boxing, so I saw he's in l

3332
04:16:11.520 --> 04:16:18.000
a man. I didn't realize that. M hm, tremendous. I have

3333
04:16:18.079 --> 04:16:23.600
a tiger. Everyone's looking to kill. They're looking at him, and are

3334
04:16:23.680 --> 04:16:32.440
they ever glistening the tiger? Get
in there, stallone, I see what

3335
04:16:32.479 --> 04:16:38.000
you got, and he continued,
Paulie comes in no class in here.

3336
04:16:38.159 --> 04:16:41.680
What a dumb ass. Fuck you
dude, He's a fucking so annoying.

3337
04:16:41.719 --> 04:16:48.520
He's worthless top. Why are you
bringing him again? That's nothing. The

3338
04:16:48.639 --> 04:16:53.000
toxic hanger on her. Oh they're
in every boxing camp. Every boxing camp

3339
04:16:53.079 --> 04:16:56.120
has one the guy that somehow,
like you said, you nailed it,

3340
04:16:56.639 --> 04:17:02.520
that has this little bit of like
psychological leverage on the superstar and everyone else

3341
04:17:02.559 --> 04:17:06.239
in the entourage knows he's toxic,
but but the big boss says he's got

3342
04:17:06.319 --> 04:17:08.079
to be around. I remember Pacquiao
had a guy like that. He had

3343
04:17:08.120 --> 04:17:11.559
a big fight with Freddy Roach over
it because no matter what Freddy did,

3344
04:17:12.000 --> 04:17:15.799
this guy always had Pacia's ear and
he didn't know anything about anything. He

3345
04:17:15.959 --> 04:17:22.639
was just some guy that somehow won
Pakia's trust alone. Yeah, I know

3346
04:17:22.719 --> 04:17:27.680
what I Nobody really needs to channel
his mentality. They create these jobs for

3347
04:17:27.799 --> 04:17:34.799
themselves within the camp. I don't
like these people, says Pauli on the

3348
04:17:34.879 --> 04:17:40.079
nose, says Rocky. They probably
don't. Not a lot to like.

3349
04:17:45.399 --> 04:17:49.319
They're excited to see the chance former
champ. Come on, well, he's

3350
04:17:49.319 --> 04:17:52.680
a champ, always a champ.
It's like an honorary title, like president

3351
04:17:53.159 --> 04:18:00.639
Leaky pipes and everything. Jesus Christ, he's really rough, Jesus on the

3352
04:18:00.719 --> 04:18:03.239
toes. You need to get hell. They're in LA. They need to

3353
04:18:03.280 --> 04:18:06.559
call Jean LeBell. Get him in
here, show him some hip locks and

3354
04:18:06.600 --> 04:18:11.079
stall a bell lock. Let's go
all the way. Of course, this

3355
04:18:11.639 --> 04:18:17.559
a glimpse of what would be a
long and pathetic tradition of Hollywood celebrities like

3356
04:18:17.680 --> 04:18:22.319
Mark Wahlberg pretending they box too,
going to boxing gyms, and the rougher

3357
04:18:22.360 --> 04:18:27.280
parts of still feel like men,
local bitches, like the guy in the

3358
04:18:27.719 --> 04:18:33.520
Fighter there who my dad went to
high school with. Oh no, the

3359
04:18:33.639 --> 04:18:38.440
Fighter, Yes, uh, the
Fighter talking about Mickey h Mark Wahlberg,

3360
04:18:40.879 --> 04:18:45.360
Yeah, but he plays Oh my
god, Mickey Ward Yeah, but the

3361
04:18:45.559 --> 04:18:52.159
the the guy who trains him,
the local guy who was a real lowell

3362
04:18:52.159 --> 04:18:56.399
guy. My dad knows him.
He hates him. I don't think I

3363
04:18:56.479 --> 04:19:03.920
knew that awesome, awesome, awesome, awesome rocks women like an old lady

3364
04:19:03.000 --> 04:19:08.000
here. Yeah, I mean,
jesus, I know he's roughing it in

3365
04:19:08.040 --> 04:19:11.280
the actual fighting gym, but does
he really have to take them to a

3366
04:19:11.319 --> 04:19:15.040
wreck pool in nineteen twenty eight,
I expect the women to be wearing those

3367
04:19:17.639 --> 04:19:22.319
bits and swim caps. Yeah,
Teddy Roosevelt in office? What the fuck

3368
04:19:22.440 --> 04:19:33.559
is this? Like that they're staying
in Like I like that that that just

3369
04:19:33.639 --> 04:19:37.639
because that they're in that they're not
there working in a crappy area. They

3370
04:19:37.680 --> 04:19:40.719
have to stay in a crappy area
like right, why couldn't they stay at

3371
04:19:40.760 --> 04:19:45.680
the Ritz? Right? There's like
he still has money. Yeah, you've

3372
04:19:45.719 --> 04:19:48.479
always make the most That's why the
boxers always hang on too long as you

3373
04:19:48.559 --> 04:19:53.200
make the most money as your ability
is waning. Right, and well,

3374
04:19:53.239 --> 04:19:56.559
I mean also he's got fucking merchandising
money coming in. I'm sure he's got

3375
04:19:56.639 --> 04:20:00.520
residuals from from stuff like that.
Like, you know, they could stay

3376
04:20:00.559 --> 04:20:04.879
at a hotel like a real hotel
instead it is I guess maybe on top

3377
04:20:04.920 --> 04:20:08.200
of the fucking club there, or
they are like, yeah, just anywhere

3378
04:20:08.479 --> 04:20:14.559
and like a motor roadside motel might
be better. Honestly, they're watching film.

3379
04:20:14.639 --> 04:20:17.840
Yeah, you know what the problem
is, uh, Apollo. He's

3380
04:20:17.879 --> 04:20:21.079
standing there with his hands by his
hips, letting clever Lang hit him in

3381
04:20:21.079 --> 04:20:26.120
the face over Maybe he should block
it. Like she's all happy, like

3382
04:20:26.200 --> 04:20:30.000
we never have that. She doesn't
mind this fucking god damn, he just

3383
04:20:30.120 --> 04:20:34.799
wants him to fuck her. Come
on, stop thinking about boxing and box

3384
04:20:34.959 --> 04:20:38.559
me take care of my box.
She's such a good spirit. She just

3385
04:20:38.559 --> 04:20:41.239
said there are worst places, which
I'm not so sure about. Actually I'm

3386
04:20:41.239 --> 04:20:45.479
not so sure either. I mean
they went over the top of dress Polly's

3387
04:20:45.479 --> 04:20:51.639
house, probably worse, lace potato
chip bags everywhere. Oh, I'll tell

3388
04:20:51.639 --> 04:20:53.760
you, I'll never forget. I
moved a friend of mine. I moved

3389
04:20:53.760 --> 04:20:59.719
a friend of mine from his from
his apartment in l A. And I

3390
04:21:00.239 --> 04:21:03.840
there and there were like two dozen
pizza boxes piled up on each other.

3391
04:21:03.399 --> 04:21:07.520
Wow. I just stared at him
and I said, look, I'll do

3392
04:21:07.600 --> 04:21:08.920
this for you one time, but
I am never coming to any of your

3393
04:21:08.920 --> 04:21:11.639
apartments. Ever again. I never
did tremendous. He always came to my

3394
04:21:11.719 --> 04:21:14.719
house. I never went. I
said I'm not going in. I will

3395
04:21:14.840 --> 04:21:19.319
never do it. I will keep
my word and never never step foot in

3396
04:21:19.399 --> 04:21:23.120
another apartment that you have. I
love it and I haven't to this day.

3397
04:21:26.959 --> 04:21:30.600
This is UH. A few generations
before the UH, the bluetooth speakers

3398
04:21:30.639 --> 04:21:34.760
would blast music to the whole gymneys. You have your fucking boombox. Yeah,

3399
04:21:36.639 --> 04:21:41.959
Paulie is literally holding a boombox,
apologies and creaming them and well,

3400
04:21:41.000 --> 04:21:45.719
they're all looking at each other as
they trained Balboa like this guy is not

3401
04:21:45.719 --> 04:21:52.559
He's not the real deal. No, it's kind of awkward because it's like

3402
04:21:52.680 --> 04:21:56.079
the guy there giving the stink eye
is the guy that beat that ass two

3403
04:21:56.159 --> 04:22:00.200
movies ago. You know, it's
like you put him down, and you're

3404
04:22:00.200 --> 04:22:03.639
putting down the guy who's screaming at
him. Even more so, no,

3405
04:22:03.799 --> 04:22:08.319
putting a chap out right left cross, You've got to move exactly how the

3406
04:22:08.399 --> 04:22:12.440
fuck did he become world champion without
moving his head? Well, he boxed

3407
04:22:12.520 --> 04:22:19.959
fucking cow carcass Jesus Christ in the
butcher shop. He's hooking, Yeah he

3408
04:22:21.079 --> 04:22:30.760
is. It was Attitude is ripped
totally. Is there is no tomorrow?

3409
04:22:30.920 --> 04:22:36.760
He screams at Rocky, Oh that
one got to him. He's looking in

3410
04:22:36.799 --> 04:22:45.200
the mirror now he's wondering who he's
become. I always become. You ever

3411
04:22:45.280 --> 04:22:51.079
been of that beach? Yeah,
Santa Moncacy, Oh yeah, Santa Marcha

3412
04:22:51.120 --> 04:22:53.600
Pi right there? Yeah, been
there when I have fucking the marathon,

3413
04:22:53.639 --> 04:22:59.959
I ran I fucking nice. I've
been there too, I think to become

3414
04:23:00.040 --> 04:23:07.280
there together maybe probably, Yeah,
that's where marathon I ran up and down

3415
04:23:07.319 --> 04:23:11.479
the beach just like this. Just
well, no way, no, no

3416
04:23:11.760 --> 04:23:19.360
fucking way. Look at Stallone's head. Idiots, Noddy's because he's running so

3417
04:23:19.399 --> 04:23:25.159
slow. Look at him. Come
on. They slowed it down for cinematic

3418
04:23:25.200 --> 04:23:30.159
effect. I believe it's like it's
like rock The key is not to have

3419
04:23:30.319 --> 04:23:33.239
more heart. The key is to
not let him hit in the face like

3420
04:23:33.319 --> 04:23:37.440
that, right, like he thinks
he's gonna win the fight by just like

3421
04:23:37.520 --> 04:23:40.959
if that. That's one like horrible
thing this movie drives home is the idea

3422
04:23:41.000 --> 04:23:44.319
that, like, the only reason
you lose when you get punched in the

3423
04:23:44.319 --> 04:23:47.680
face over and over again is because
you don't will yourself to shake off the

3424
04:23:47.760 --> 04:23:49.360
pain. Right, he should have
just fucking gotten up. That's the thing,

3425
04:23:49.799 --> 04:23:52.799
you know. Not that to do
with his defense. His strategy is

3426
04:23:52.879 --> 04:23:59.200
fucking ploy He's he just needed more
heart, He had more heart, he

3427
04:23:59.200 --> 04:24:02.760
would have done it. No,
No, what looks like flashbacks to the

3428
04:24:02.799 --> 04:24:06.399
fight just stopped him dead in his
tracks. He gave out, he gave

3429
04:24:06.680 --> 04:24:11.399
up. What is there like an
army invasion happening? What the fuck is

3430
04:24:11.440 --> 04:24:19.760
out there? I think that looks
like that's Clever Lang's naval fleet breaching the

3431
04:24:21.079 --> 04:24:26.079
perimeter here. Paul Creed has called
it. It's all over, He says,

3432
04:24:26.200 --> 04:24:29.200
Yep, it's clear that Rocky doesn't
have it. Hogan's over in this

3433
04:24:29.360 --> 04:24:30.879
movie. But yeah, yeah,
he's the one guy that comes on us

3434
04:24:30.920 --> 04:24:37.920
all over Rose. He was the
canary in the coal mine. The way

3435
04:24:37.959 --> 04:24:41.399
he was able to take it to
uh Balboa, that should have been assigned

3436
04:24:41.440 --> 04:24:44.920
everybody, But because it was a
pro wrestler, no one took it seriously.

3437
04:24:45.040 --> 04:24:48.040
No, it's what he did isn't
serious. That's right, fraud.

3438
04:24:48.559 --> 04:24:53.319
It's fixed body slamming pretend fighters.
Why don't you put the herding on a

3439
04:24:53.360 --> 04:25:02.200
real fighter, Rocky? Wow,
now she just walked over man. That

3440
04:25:02.360 --> 04:25:04.600
music. Yeah, that's of a
particular time, isn't it, Bill Contey,

3441
04:25:04.719 --> 04:25:08.120
Ladies and gentlemen, Oh is that
Bill on the track? CONTI Yeah

3442
04:25:08.239 --> 04:25:11.440
he is the Is he well known? Uh? Yeah. He did a

3443
04:25:11.479 --> 04:25:15.000
lot of TV work, a lot
of composed a lot of TV themes.

3444
04:25:15.040 --> 04:25:19.079
But I would say his most known
work is the Rocky movies and the Rocky

3445
04:25:19.159 --> 04:25:23.680
theme and that's big. Yeah.
It's enough to hang your hat on for

3446
04:25:23.719 --> 04:25:29.479
a car, absolutely, I mean, god, lucky to get one.

3447
04:25:30.079 --> 04:25:37.440
You know, you're likey to get
anything, let alone fucking Rocky War to

3448
04:25:37.520 --> 04:25:42.479
be over. Yeah, that'd be
nice, Jess Terry Bill Conty is god

3449
04:25:42.639 --> 04:25:48.000
he did. He did Rocky when
he was thirty six? Look that good

3450
04:25:48.040 --> 04:25:52.600
for him? Is that old or
young? Young? Yeah? The fucking

3451
04:25:55.440 --> 04:25:57.200
yeah, that's true. Most composers
have white hair, don't they. Yeah?

3452
04:25:57.239 --> 04:26:00.840
I mean now he does. But
like to be to be doing that

3453
04:26:02.319 --> 04:26:10.879
when you're He's in a lot of
stuff. Good for him, the right

3454
04:26:10.920 --> 04:26:18.000
stuff. You want to oscar for
the right stuff? Mmm? Some angle

3455
04:26:18.079 --> 04:26:22.959
to hold onto the title longer than
I should have had it and Ale Yeah

3456
04:26:22.040 --> 04:26:26.760
right. You know they don't have
Philly accents at all. No, they

3457
04:26:26.799 --> 04:26:34.879
have just straight Bronxe accent. Absolutely, they're totally New York loser. Really,

3458
04:26:34.920 --> 04:26:42.399
a fucking loser. Nothing fucking real. That's what thunder Lips told me.

3459
04:26:44.680 --> 04:26:51.040
None of it's real, he said, nothing is real unless you believe

3460
04:26:51.079 --> 04:26:56.479
in who you are. She's not
putting you through anything, dude. You're

3461
04:26:56.520 --> 04:26:59.399
doing this, helping you and going
with you to LA for no reason.

3462
04:27:00.120 --> 04:27:02.719
Like she's not taking care of her
kid because he's with you. Why is

3463
04:27:02.799 --> 04:27:15.000
he screaming at her? He's scared? We got money, money, any

3464
04:27:15.040 --> 04:27:26.040
money? Oh? I see he's
afraid. Mm hmm. You're the only

3465
04:27:26.600 --> 04:27:32.600
You're not the only bitch that's afraid. Rocket, Your wife's afraid. Your

3466
04:27:32.680 --> 04:27:34.799
kid's afraid because he doesn't know what
the fuck's going on in those glasses.

3467
04:27:36.000 --> 04:27:37.639
I'll tell you his kid's afraid because
his dad's a fraud. That's what it

3468
04:27:37.799 --> 04:27:41.399
is. It's like, why don't
I tell my friends? Right? Not

3469
04:27:41.600 --> 04:27:45.559
only is he like a fucking loser
champion, but he also fought a fake

3470
04:27:45.639 --> 04:27:51.719
fight with that fucking fake wrestler loser
champion. That's a tough one to come

3471
04:27:51.760 --> 04:27:56.360
back from. I'm a loser champion, So if even if I do win

3472
04:27:56.440 --> 04:28:02.200
the belt back, there's a there's
a moniker that still fits you oper a

3473
04:28:02.200 --> 04:28:07.399
phrase pink loser, not champion,
Dad. I'm gonna take away champion out

3474
04:28:07.399 --> 04:28:12.440
of your nickname. Just loser.
Don't you know Rocky haven't needed a champion.

3475
04:28:17.079 --> 04:28:23.520
Heaven need it a stamion, I'll
say that's why he took you.

3476
04:28:26.280 --> 04:28:29.920
Any truth to the rumor that if
they couldn't come to terms with Slye,

3477
04:28:29.959 --> 04:28:33.000
that Crockett Jopp or the Italian Stallion
would have gotten the call. I believe

3478
04:28:33.079 --> 04:28:37.280
that was the case. There was
a there was a time when they when

3479
04:28:37.319 --> 04:28:41.559
they when when they were when they
were talking about doing Rocky four, he

3480
04:28:41.719 --> 04:28:42.200
was like, I don't I don't
want to do it. I don't want

3481
04:28:42.200 --> 04:28:45.600
to do it. Well, we'll
fucking rock We'll just get this guy,

3482
04:28:45.399 --> 04:28:48.079
this guy here, we'll do it
for free, because he's a fucking loser

3483
04:28:48.159 --> 04:28:52.200
down and down in some other fucking
terror Charlotte. And I want to sit

3484
04:28:52.239 --> 04:28:56.280
here and I want to smoke my
cigar and tell you Stallone that you're a

3485
04:28:56.360 --> 04:29:00.760
bitch and I don't give a shit
you either do with this fucking movie.

3486
04:29:00.799 --> 04:29:03.520
And I want to make somebody else
a big fucking star. Is Rocky all

3487
04:29:03.600 --> 04:29:07.239
right? Your fucking asshole. The
Italian stallion. No, that's a real

3488
04:29:07.360 --> 04:29:12.040
large Italian, that's right. I
mean, any Italian stallion at a fucking

3489
04:29:12.479 --> 04:29:17.479
sandwich shop is going to do you
in big heart to heart. Here between

3490
04:29:17.520 --> 04:29:19.639
Adrian and Rocky hit the music.
Glad she wore pink lipstick out to the

3491
04:29:19.719 --> 04:29:26.760
fucking beach for the training. I
thinkographers happy about it as well. I

3492
04:29:26.799 --> 04:29:30.879
don't think so too. Oh God, his lips are so perverted. That

3493
04:29:32.040 --> 04:29:37.000
was That was an uninspired little smooch
there. I think I wonder if they

3494
04:29:37.120 --> 04:29:40.479
keep in touch when they get five
movies together. Yeah, that's all you

3495
04:29:41.680 --> 04:29:48.399
Now, he's got the He's ready
music is the music's hit. We're in

3496
04:29:48.440 --> 04:29:52.280
a polo shirt. Now you put
the the towel. Towel, yeah,

3497
04:29:52.559 --> 04:29:56.799
to catch the sweat? Yeah,
I should probably. You know how fast

3498
04:29:56.799 --> 04:30:00.959
I go through one of those towels, like two seconds literally go through it?

3499
04:30:02.200 --> 04:30:06.239
Yeah yeah, literally. Now he's
actually paying attention to what were you

3500
04:30:06.319 --> 04:30:08.239
doing? What are you doing that, Paula? You turn come from around.

3501
04:30:08.280 --> 04:30:18.639
We're doing push. Feeling strong now, feeling feeling strong now gonna fly

3502
04:30:18.959 --> 04:30:25.280
now right, I'm feeling strong now
I'm going up all right, let me

3503
04:30:25.319 --> 04:30:32.440
get the fucking lyrics, please,
please do Rocky. Rocky movies are fucking

3504
04:30:32.559 --> 04:30:37.760
king of the the not the highlight
reel. What's the word I'm looking for

3505
04:30:37.879 --> 04:30:40.959
the montage? Oh for sure.
I mean put you right were you need

3506
04:30:41.079 --> 04:30:44.760
to be in effish and order.
Pretty sweet. Nike kicks too on Rocky.

3507
04:30:45.040 --> 04:30:51.360
Trying hard now, Yes, it's
so hard now, trying hard now.

3508
04:30:52.440 --> 04:30:56.559
Oh he's ready, gonna make a
move. Yeah. Oh he's ready

3509
04:30:57.079 --> 04:31:04.120
and making moves. Yeah yeah,
getting strong now, won't be long now,

3510
04:31:06.159 --> 04:31:12.639
getting strong now, gonna fly now, flying high now, gonna fly

3511
04:31:14.440 --> 04:31:23.639
fly very nice, go Rocky.
Push on that beach. He's firing.

3512
04:31:23.719 --> 04:31:29.159
He's actually catching up to Apollo Creed
now even Apollo Creeds, Like, motherfucker,

3513
04:31:29.239 --> 04:31:33.200
you gonna beat me. Just not
Father Karras running from a extorcist.

3514
04:31:33.600 --> 04:31:40.200
I'm sure it looks like him,
Sead movement. We need what's his name,

3515
04:31:40.719 --> 04:31:44.879
Jason Miller. Yeah, he was
a boxer. Oh, look at

3516
04:31:44.920 --> 04:31:49.319
him, pull away. Look he's
coming in. He's gonna do it strong.

3517
04:31:52.879 --> 04:31:55.799
Look at that footwork. That's it. He's dancing, man. I

3518
04:31:55.920 --> 04:32:00.680
love that he's fucking dancing. The
laughter winning. Yeah, I have a

3519
04:32:00.879 --> 04:32:03.360
tiger. I love that. After
winning the heavyweight title of the world.

3520
04:32:03.440 --> 04:32:08.079
He discovers head movement after winning the
heavyweight title of the world. Discovers head.

3521
04:32:10.000 --> 04:32:15.600
Oh, Paul, bitch all we
let's get those snides. Look at

3522
04:32:15.639 --> 04:32:17.479
that, Look at the muscles,
look at the look at the look at

3523
04:32:17.520 --> 04:32:26.319
the quads, Bobby eighties striped socks. Right, oh god, fucking knee

3524
04:32:26.399 --> 04:32:30.000
highs. Yes, yeah, those
will be coming back any day. Now.

3525
04:32:30.760 --> 04:32:36.200
Look at him. God, he
pulls ahead. Go keep nodding,

3526
04:32:36.440 --> 04:32:45.319
keep nodding, prevent me from nodding
off. Yeah, and they're gonna make

3527
04:32:45.360 --> 04:32:52.399
out now they're splashing in the water, like seriously, just get it on.

3528
04:32:53.159 --> 04:32:56.159
And this is this is where Apollo
Creeds whispers in his ear. I

3529
04:32:56.319 --> 04:33:04.000
let you beat me. You're really
a bitch, rocket rock, You're still

3530
04:33:04.040 --> 04:33:07.520
a loser. And then whatever,
that's it. No, nope, we

3531
04:33:07.599 --> 04:33:14.439
gonna we're back. But we're back. We're in the world's most famous arena.

3532
04:33:14.560 --> 04:33:19.200
This uh is spectacular in the world's
most famous arena. Brought to you

3533
04:33:19.240 --> 04:33:26.319
by Jess McMahon Promotions. I'm sorry, that is not Yeah, here we

3534
04:33:26.439 --> 04:33:34.799
go. Don't run any strategy,
He's stupid. Promoter text work hard,

3535
04:33:36.119 --> 04:33:42.520
presenting this night of Championship Boxing.
He just hit her, let't hit you

3536
04:33:42.560 --> 04:33:48.040
again. That's where he started.
I pity the fool that is this is

3537
04:33:48.119 --> 04:33:51.720
where he started. I mean,
it's not where he started. I think

3538
04:33:51.759 --> 04:33:53.040
he was doing it before, but
he used in the movie and became famous.

3539
04:33:53.639 --> 04:33:59.639
Got it he was using in his
real life. I think so you

3540
04:33:59.639 --> 04:34:02.639
always he's the fool, is what
he said. It's it's religious something like

3541
04:34:02.680 --> 04:34:11.959
that. I forget. Sit in
an interview something ringside uh. Commentators weighing

3542
04:34:12.040 --> 04:34:15.959
the odds, saying they're quite long
for Bellbo to reclaim the title tonight.

3543
04:34:18.720 --> 04:34:22.279
Yeah, prediction, Yes, prediction. Clubber looks to the camera. What

3544
04:34:22.439 --> 04:34:30.360
a pain, he's a This was
meant to be, this whole thing that's

3545
04:34:30.400 --> 04:34:38.040
happening right now on Patreon. Mm
hmm yeh, there we go. Imagine

3546
04:34:38.040 --> 04:34:41.400
the how fucking horrifying that must be. If you're a boxer and someone opens

3547
04:34:41.439 --> 04:34:45.080
your locker room door and says it's
time to funk out. I don't want

3548
04:34:45.119 --> 04:34:48.279
to think about it, like it's
time to get punched in the face.

3549
04:34:48.759 --> 04:34:51.680
I don't care how ready you think
you are. That's gotta be fucking horror.

3550
04:34:51.959 --> 04:34:52.639
I don't want it. That's the
thing I don't know. I could

3551
04:34:52.799 --> 04:34:57.799
never. Oh there is like because
because you have to, you have to

3552
04:34:57.959 --> 04:35:02.599
build up your confidence so much that
you think you're gonna beat somebody. But

3553
04:35:02.799 --> 04:35:07.680
like I just I don't know.
It's confidence that's so easily shaked. Oh

3554
04:35:07.759 --> 04:35:11.520
I know, like one person could
say what are you doing? And it's

3555
04:35:11.560 --> 04:35:15.560
like, yeah, I know what
am I doing? Oh I could.

3556
04:35:15.680 --> 04:35:18.439
That's why I could never be a
fighter. I could have never been a

3557
04:35:18.479 --> 04:35:22.159
fighter. It cracks me up.
Like when I talk to people in casual

3558
04:35:22.240 --> 04:35:23.799
life about being a huge fight fan, like you ever trained, I'm like,

3559
04:35:25.599 --> 04:35:30.880
no, what? Like, no
fan? Fight? He missed when

3560
04:35:30.919 --> 04:35:33.759
I said fan, not fight?
This isn't This isn't a fantasy of mine.

3561
04:35:33.799 --> 04:35:37.520
This is an interest of mine.
This is I don't know, although

3562
04:35:37.520 --> 04:35:42.759
I can't. A guy I know
from junior high. He he's I don't

3563
04:35:42.759 --> 04:35:45.040
know if he's I don't know if
he still fights not, but he definitely

3564
04:35:45.119 --> 04:35:48.599
trained to be. I think you
saw him or something something like that.

3565
04:35:51.639 --> 04:35:56.759
Fuck's his name? I think you
saw him one time, or or you

3566
04:35:56.080 --> 04:36:00.720
went to a a fight, you
covered a fight up in Maine that he

3567
04:36:00.840 --> 04:36:03.000
was at, or something like that. Oh, really, I feel like

3568
04:36:03.080 --> 04:36:11.119
that happened yeah, I'm drawing a
blank where there's the iron Man from Philadelphia.

3569
04:36:12.119 --> 04:36:15.279
Rocky Balboa has entered the ring.
Yeah, this is not Madison Square

3570
04:36:15.319 --> 04:36:22.119
Card New Way. I wonder where
they shot this, I don't know,

3571
04:36:22.439 --> 04:36:30.479
probably the Spectrum. Yeah, this
song broadcast on Prism. Yeah right,

3572
04:36:30.439 --> 04:36:41.040
there comes Clever Lang. Oh yeah, uh. C J. Hobbes,

3573
04:36:41.599 --> 04:36:49.279
d J. J. Hobbs.
Listen that James Cohn plus Walter hab Walter

3574
04:36:49.360 --> 04:36:57.200
Hobbs. I mean, he definitely
never fought like crazy things like like like

3575
04:36:59.040 --> 04:37:10.000
yeah, yeah, small stuff.
Fascinating that uh miscalculation the tea is calling

3576
04:37:10.959 --> 04:37:18.799
uh Apollo boy. Yeah, yeah, very true. Huh considering the sensitivity

3577
04:37:18.880 --> 04:37:22.840
in real life that mister T had
to that term, is that a No,

3578
04:37:22.959 --> 04:37:33.080
it's not. There was a big
miscue on the neckline shaved there from

3579
04:37:33.159 --> 04:37:37.560
old mister T. Yeah, he
kept the the line of his beard down

3580
04:37:37.759 --> 04:37:42.919
around the Adams Apple, but he
he uh clopped off a fair amount of

3581
04:37:42.959 --> 04:37:48.200
hair in between there. There.
He's got he's got interesting designs, well,

3582
04:37:48.279 --> 04:37:49.479
he's got Yeah, he's got bigger
things to worry about. There was.

3583
04:37:49.680 --> 04:37:55.200
You know, the reason why he
got the mohawk cut is because at

3584
04:37:55.279 --> 04:37:59.000
some point he was trying to get
teas put in his hair, but they

3585
04:37:59.040 --> 04:38:02.439
look stupid. Oh really, and
so he just shaved the sides of his

3586
04:38:02.520 --> 04:38:14.159
head. That's fascinating Rocky Balboa.
Everyone loves the white Italian stallion. What

3587
04:38:14.240 --> 04:38:19.200
do they think of Clever Lang going
with the apollo creed American flag tights.

3588
04:38:19.599 --> 04:38:25.759
Here's Rocky Balboa. I think is
that is that Rocky on there on his

3589
04:38:26.000 --> 04:38:30.159
entourages or is that the Japanese snack
pockey? I think Pocky looks like both

3590
04:38:32.599 --> 04:38:37.400
boom wearing the title they boo,
they boo the black man kind of going.

3591
04:38:37.000 --> 04:38:41.560
They cheer, but they cheer the
the man cornered by the black Man.

3592
04:38:41.720 --> 04:38:45.560
Yes, they come to center.
Look at that fucking face off.

3593
04:38:45.799 --> 04:38:48.680
Now, imagine like you look at
like there's like what like less than an

3594
04:38:48.720 --> 04:38:52.040
inch between their noses. Imagine looking
at me like that right with it,

3595
04:38:52.319 --> 04:38:56.919
And that's how close they are.
Isn't an amazing how in film it never

3596
04:38:56.119 --> 04:39:00.159
looks like they're that close. Yeah
they are, that's right up in their

3597
04:39:00.240 --> 04:39:08.159
ship. Wow, Like, how
do you like you think about the beating

3598
04:39:08.240 --> 04:39:11.959
he took in the first fight and
now you're gonna fight that fucking guy again.

3599
04:39:12.479 --> 04:39:17.159
But now he's now, he's now, he's gotting Apollo though. He's

3600
04:39:17.279 --> 04:39:21.919
training like movement. He's been in
the in the in the dirty. I've

3601
04:39:21.919 --> 04:39:25.159
been training in l A. That's
right where they know how to fight.

3602
04:39:25.599 --> 04:39:33.159
It's right like Philly with that.
All sounds runned away. Rematch comes out

3603
04:39:33.680 --> 04:39:40.080
just like last time, and less
than zero defense from cluver Lang once again,

3604
04:39:40.520 --> 04:39:44.680
clubb Aer doing just letting get up. Jesus Christ. It's like Mike

3605
04:39:44.720 --> 04:39:51.400
Tyson sponge out. It's like the
Wii boxing. Yeah, he has like

3606
04:39:51.599 --> 04:39:56.720
hit him with three straight jabs and
clever Lang did nothing right, gross left

3607
04:39:56.759 --> 04:40:00.919
gross, nothing being offered in response
from clever Lang. Here his hads like

3608
04:40:00.959 --> 04:40:11.400
a pez dispenser out there. Boss, absolutely just landing a steady diet of

3609
04:40:11.599 --> 04:40:15.479
jabs. Here is Balboa. They
could have gotten away without doing the sound

3610
04:40:15.520 --> 04:40:17.520
effects. It's kind of funny,
you know what I mean? Yeah,

3611
04:40:19.759 --> 04:40:25.159
the braver of Wooden crate sounds.
You know what it is is that announcer

3612
04:40:25.200 --> 04:40:29.680
guy. He's got to stuck down. Can I do some folly work for

3613
04:40:29.720 --> 04:40:36.200
you, mister saloon, I'm gonna
do it anyway, not laying pulling forward.

3614
04:40:36.520 --> 04:40:41.799
Look at that now he's fucking doing
defensive work masters. Yeah, the

3615
04:40:41.880 --> 04:40:45.040
head movements there, nice fade there, he's firing forward the one two's.

3616
04:40:45.799 --> 04:40:52.040
Look at Balboa coming with a straight
left. He's My goodness, look at

3617
04:40:52.080 --> 04:40:59.439
that great combinations. All clutter Lang's
got is right and left hooks from Downtown,

3618
04:41:00.479 --> 04:41:04.080
much more varied punch. I mean
that thing, Rocky. It's a

3619
04:41:04.159 --> 04:41:07.959
different a different fighter than he was. Oh, clearly they did a great

3620
04:41:08.040 --> 04:41:15.200
job of like making that happen.
Clubver Lank beside himself and how wants the

3621
04:41:15.279 --> 04:41:18.200
fool? Yep, from what I
understand, he pities the fool. I'm

3622
04:41:18.240 --> 04:41:22.759
being told he pities the fool ladies
and gentlemen. He wants to kill the

3623
04:41:22.840 --> 04:41:30.479
fool. M Water being administered,
That's what the guy never got in fighting.

3624
04:41:32.119 --> 04:41:36.240
Yeah, what squirting water in the
guy's mouth between rounds and he spits

3625
04:41:36.279 --> 04:41:38.159
it out. It's like, well, you want to have that water in

3626
04:41:38.200 --> 04:41:42.720
your body? You want to like
Yeah, I mean like I think about

3627
04:41:42.720 --> 04:41:45.360
the times when I've had too much
water and the water sits the wrong way,

3628
04:41:47.159 --> 04:41:48.400
ruin your whole fight. But at
least you get your mouth wet,

3629
04:41:51.080 --> 04:41:52.319
get the spit moving. I mean, I know nothing about boxing. That

3630
04:41:52.439 --> 04:41:57.240
was all no No, that's that's
that's suggesting. Sure. Oh look at

3631
04:41:57.279 --> 04:42:02.759
that steady right jab from about and
and and and and fucking tea just taking

3632
04:42:02.799 --> 04:42:10.119
it absolutely hammorhage. It goes to
town. He's here to fucking take Rocky

3633
04:42:10.360 --> 04:42:15.479
Balboa apart. I said Balboa should
train with Jean Label. It appears that

3634
04:42:15.680 --> 04:42:19.000
mister t did just that. That's
a judo hip throw het he pulled to

3635
04:42:19.040 --> 04:42:30.680
see an wait on what a judica
is, mister t. Oh, he's

3636
04:42:30.720 --> 04:42:40.159
about to adjudicate this heavy right landing
flashbacks. These are like fucking Vader potatoes

3637
04:42:40.799 --> 04:42:48.520
Atrian. I know, Ada,
ada, ada, who's the old man

3638
04:42:48.639 --> 04:42:52.959
fucking next there? Not worried?
Why aren't you sitting in a box?

3639
04:42:52.599 --> 04:42:56.759
Oh? Rocky Gett knocked all around
the ring. He's out and look at

3640
04:42:56.840 --> 04:43:00.560
him, falls down like an accordion. He took a huge bump. Bumps

3641
04:43:00.599 --> 04:43:07.000
hard five. Think you think Terry
taught him that bump? I think so,

3642
04:43:07.680 --> 04:43:10.479
brother. What you want you do
is you want to go inside out

3643
04:43:10.520 --> 04:43:18.400
like an accordion. Brother? Oh, someone at home falls? Oh it's

3644
04:43:18.439 --> 04:43:23.279
how fast that one Actually from the
ninety two rumble actually would have been Pat

3645
04:43:23.319 --> 04:43:30.119
Tanaka. Actually, I take it
back Balboa goes down again, the hungry

3646
04:43:30.200 --> 04:43:34.080
clever Lang closing in again with those
massive left hooks to the temple. Even

3647
04:43:34.279 --> 04:43:40.599
Adrian can't watch anymore. Oh,
ain't so bad. Look at fucking Rocky

3648
04:43:40.959 --> 04:43:48.439
trash talking. You're not in it, big face off between rounds, Adrian

3649
04:43:48.520 --> 04:43:52.880
probably flashing back to the beach where
he said, I'm scared. Yeah.

3650
04:43:53.040 --> 04:43:56.400
She ended up putting them on the
track to get back in the ring.

3651
04:43:56.439 --> 04:44:03.840
She could die, he could die. It's my fault. God incredible.

3652
04:44:06.720 --> 04:44:10.560
Here we get some, we get
some. Yeah, I won't say we

3653
04:44:10.639 --> 04:44:14.200
get, we get he said he. Rocky says that Clubber is tired.

3654
04:44:15.040 --> 04:44:23.119
Get some rumble in the jungle.
Inspiration here by dope, by rock I

3655
04:44:23.200 --> 04:44:27.319
have the Ti the Tiger. You
understand, rock Time for some rope a

3656
04:44:27.400 --> 04:44:33.000
dope. He is tired, the
lactic acid filling up in those huge muscles

3657
04:44:33.400 --> 04:44:40.919
of one, mister t Clubber Lang
is Round three is underway. Rope Yeah,

3658
04:44:41.000 --> 04:44:48.799
i'd say, is Myron keep talking? Club Who you try to convince

3659
04:44:48.919 --> 04:44:52.759
Rocky or yourself? Right? That's
the that's the deep. We look so

3660
04:44:52.919 --> 04:45:00.680
fun. It looks like it looks
like Gilbert godfreed in that he's missing and

3661
04:45:00.919 --> 04:45:04.880
Nothing is more exhausting than missing punches. Oh man, Now he's clipping Rocky

3662
04:45:04.959 --> 04:45:11.520
big time in the corner. Come
on, body shot puts him against the

3663
04:45:11.599 --> 04:45:15.319
ropes. Another left to the body. Man, clever Lang attacking the body

3664
04:45:15.400 --> 04:45:26.799
viciously. Here hands up defense rot
this tapping his forehead. Those punches must

3665
04:45:26.880 --> 04:45:37.919
be losing their sting. Knock me
out, so he does. Lang explodes

3666
04:45:37.959 --> 04:45:44.799
to the body with a right hook. Man, he is he hitting them

3667
04:45:44.799 --> 04:45:49.040
with nuclear warheads or punches, or
animals or dinosaurs. It's like the eighteen

3668
04:45:49.080 --> 04:45:56.200
twelve overture out here. Jesus is
clever letging laying him in. This fight

3669
04:45:56.240 --> 04:46:02.240
would have been stopped in any jurisdiction
you can imagine, No, not unless

3670
04:46:02.279 --> 04:46:07.279
the gunshine. New York State Athletic
commissions for the chorus. Here Jerry Cooney

3671
04:46:07.360 --> 04:46:12.439
falling asleep on the job. Here
referees you know, discretion, Yeah,

3672
04:46:12.560 --> 04:46:18.680
sure that's true. Comes comes Rocky, luring him in. He seems ready

3673
04:46:18.680 --> 04:46:23.959
to attack, protecting the body nicely. They had the head protecting and answering.

3674
04:46:25.080 --> 04:46:32.040
Look at him. Defense and offense
here form Rocky nice avoidance cover Lang

3675
04:46:32.159 --> 04:46:37.639
is you can tell he's gassing up
here Boom and look he's oh he's lifting

3676
04:46:37.720 --> 04:46:41.400
him. Yeah, those spotty shots
are literally taking him off his feet and

3677
04:46:41.560 --> 04:46:45.840
up top. Here we go,
Steady Diet doubling up on the on the

3678
04:46:45.880 --> 04:46:55.400
hook and jabs pumping, just him
with jabs. Jesus, no fucking person

3679
04:46:55.439 --> 04:47:07.080
would be still standing, Steady Diet. Oh my god, eighties, Paul,

3680
04:47:07.680 --> 04:47:08.919
like this is this is this is
keep my mind. This is the

3681
04:47:08.959 --> 04:47:15.200
era when fucking uh guys with machine
guns hold it under their fucking arm pits

3682
04:47:15.240 --> 04:47:19.880
and shoot and aim and don't miss, you know, so true? Oh

3683
04:47:21.000 --> 04:47:25.479
that one landed? Oh fuck on
his feet? One more? One more

3684
04:47:25.959 --> 04:47:30.599
the left is one more? All
day from Boboa South paw bitch, Come

3685
04:47:30.639 --> 04:47:33.959
on, take him out left down
the pipe, right down, he goes.

3686
04:47:33.720 --> 04:47:41.119
That's it. He may have killed
the man and they're on their feet

3687
04:47:41.159 --> 04:47:45.240
in the garden. I feel bad
for his managers and trainers and stuff.

3688
04:47:45.240 --> 04:47:53.959
There. That's it and count that's
it. That's it. He did it.

3689
04:47:56.360 --> 04:48:00.400
Oh look at him, lookt him. He collapses. I conic.

3690
04:48:00.400 --> 04:48:07.200
Look at the boxing writers chain smoking
calling in results. Oh all right,

3691
04:48:07.759 --> 04:48:12.520
make some phone calls. They got
the guys with the fucking visors going to

3692
04:48:12.560 --> 04:48:18.119
the back out on the gate where's
Arnie Scoland with the cash deposit box?

3693
04:48:22.040 --> 04:48:25.959
That was over quick? I mean
they really, I totally forgot this.

3694
04:48:26.080 --> 04:48:27.319
They just get in there and beat
the ship out of you. They do.

3695
04:48:27.479 --> 04:48:33.119
They really do again again a much
more intense fight because unlike the other

3696
04:48:33.319 --> 04:48:37.639
the previous two movies, there's no
like they would they had a montage,

3697
04:48:37.680 --> 04:48:41.759
you know, of the uh of
the movies, of the of the fights,

3698
04:48:41.799 --> 04:48:45.439
like they would go they went to
full fifteen rounds or whatever, where

3699
04:48:45.479 --> 04:48:48.919
this one they just didn't. Both
fights are are shown in their entirety right

3700
04:48:49.400 --> 04:48:55.560
and now they're wearing diapers and come
in and after the fight, they're wearing

3701
04:48:55.599 --> 04:49:02.400
diapers, Balboa and create conversing Red
and Yellow. Keep in mind upon the

3702
04:49:02.479 --> 04:49:06.479
trilogy. Yeah, I know,
huh, look at this, it's all

3703
04:49:06.560 --> 04:49:11.119
here. I like how they're going
to have their that they want to have

3704
04:49:11.240 --> 04:49:15.919
their rubber match be a fucking exhibition
by themselves, not even not even in

3705
04:49:17.000 --> 04:49:19.599
front of like an audience. It's
a lot of money you're passing up,

3706
04:49:19.599 --> 04:49:22.319
guys, at least for charity.
I mean, Jesus Christ, have a

3707
04:49:22.400 --> 04:49:30.720
heart. Balbo and Creed climbing back
in there one more time for an audience

3708
04:49:30.840 --> 04:49:42.439
is none turn buckles wrestling ring does. Oh all right, so I think

3709
04:49:42.479 --> 04:49:48.400
Creed tot pilebow everything he knows.
It's safe to say that Paula Creed taught

3710
04:49:48.439 --> 04:49:52.439
Rocky Bilbo everything he knows. He
didn't teach him everything he knows. However,

3711
04:49:52.840 --> 04:49:56.720
thank you. That one goes back
to day one. That's it you've

3712
04:49:56.759 --> 04:50:03.040
been saying that day we met,
Who's fucking money. That's why I've ever

3713
04:50:03.200 --> 04:50:06.599
thought Sean Michael's everything he knows.
He didn't teach him everything he knows.

3714
04:50:06.840 --> 04:50:08.720
However, so they're really just gonna
get in there and beat the shadows each

3715
04:50:08.720 --> 04:50:11.919
other. After all, this this
is fun. Keep in mind they're gonna

3716
04:50:11.919 --> 04:50:15.560
get bloody and whatever, and they're
gonna have fun doing this. This is

3717
04:50:15.560 --> 04:50:18.720
where I don't understand fighting. A
lot of dialogue here. This is like

3718
04:50:18.840 --> 04:50:22.159
a thunderdome match, right, Oh
yes, it is. It totally is.

3719
04:50:22.919 --> 04:50:26.119
We're watching modern w B product right
now, right, this is this

3720
04:50:26.240 --> 04:50:30.360
is boxing storytelling freeze frame. As
soon as they les on each other,

3721
04:50:34.560 --> 04:50:41.200
all rival leroy Meathan paints the picture. Wow, well, I think in

3722
04:50:41.319 --> 04:50:45.159
many ways still so Leicester Stallone and
Terrence Kunkong bo Leya painted a picture for

3723
04:50:45.279 --> 04:50:48.400
us here this week. I think
that is definitely safe to say, and

3724
04:50:49.080 --> 04:50:52.880
thank you guys once again for joining
us as the credits roll here on another

3725
04:50:53.520 --> 04:51:00.479
episode of Under the cinemat and we
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3726
04:51:04.840 --> 04:51:10.080
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