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Hello, and welcome back to the
Fire Escape cast. This is episode eighty

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three. I am joined by Dan
Reikert. Wow, Micah you you adopted

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a French accent while you were over
there. And Mary Keish, Oh my

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god, you sound so amazing.
I'm just in love with this new mic.

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There's no reason this wait, it
was a new mic, Mary,

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I think it is. But wait, who is that? Mary here?

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Here? Hit me with the live
take that that's who is that? That's

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Manati? Hello, everybody, I'm
Mike Manatti. I am filling in for

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Mike Maharty is off in France.
Now what do you say that? Mike

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Manatti? Oh my god? Because
I made such a good impression on Mike

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when I first met him, who
loved to wait Hell Divers two? Together

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we talked about token a bunch,
It's fantastic. And then like later Mary

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uh rated my stream or something.
I was like, oh, they're so

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great over there on Fire Escape,
Mary and Dan and Matt Mahardy like he

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has the safer staves be How could
I get that wrong? And it's because

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of wrestling. It's because of the
wrestler Matt Hardy messing me up. Matt

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Maharty. I see it's wrestling blame
okay, always is it? Always is

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okay? And then at SGF,
I was talking about Mike again and like

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I was talking to you. We
had a few drinks. I was like,

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blah blah blah blah, Matt Maharty
and I was like, oh my

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god, it came out again.
I'm so stupid. You immediately started texting

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in me, son of a bit, dude, immediate Wait, I don't

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believe you. Let me check it
out. I did this, dude,

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let me see. Oh oh was
it three point thirty five in the morning.

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It's a blurry picture of you.
It's very blurry at oh, looks

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like we're at JW. I said. I took this picture literally five seconds

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after he called you Matt Maharty again, un ironically and not as a joke.

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Okay, I guess he got me
there. Yea earlier I was like,

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you both have knocked at me,
and you're like, I never knocked

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on you. Like, what are
you talking because that's clayton and obvious nark.

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I've never seen such a clear nark. You a good bud grubbed your

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narks first. You know, I
don't really have a on here. You

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know who's about to narks is our
fucking listeners, Because two seconds before we

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got on the zoom call, I
was like, oh shit, Mike usually

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does the emails. I gotta I
gotta get emails together real quick. And

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so I'm going through the real quick
and there are many emails being like,

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hey, Mike, I know you're
the one who checks the emails. Just

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want to let you know that Dan, your friend who listens to you and

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cares about your opinion, just on
a giant BombCast said that he doesn't know

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anyone that plays Total War. It's
like, first of all, missed the

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fucking joke, obviously, but second
of all, narks, just fucking narks.

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Is how last week you say you
didn't know anybody who cared about Fantasia,

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Disney or Mickey Mouse. Also,
thank you so much for trying to

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explain the history of Mickey Mouse without
me. That was fun to listen to.

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What percent right where we as a
group? Uh ten? He was

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on the boat that part. I
was on Steamboat Willie. But yeah,

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Steamboat Willy was the first sound cartoon. There was perhaps a story being told

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that Mickey was originally silent and then
had sound. But the whole big reason

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Mickey was so important was because his
first cartoon was the first synchronized with sound

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cartoon. I mean, everybody lost
the mind. The problems that we have

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to like identify here is that this
is like not the type of podcasts where

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we want to learn about Disney.
No, we don't learn about anything.

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Really, we really try and have
a hard stance against learning. Here are

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we are we? Like you know, Seinfeld had the rule where it's like,

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what was it, no hugging,
no learning character? Yeah, like

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you can't eat, Yeah, no
hugging, no learners, and there's no

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nothing sappy. No one learns or
improves as a person. I think,

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are we not to compare us to
Seinfeld? But I mean, you know,

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in terms of that, is it
d actively trying to be a better

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person by actually playing holl of Night
though we be well we'll get into the

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game section. Here's here's how I'm
trying to be a better person. Well

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maybe this is more just comedic sensibilities. I'm trying not to. I don't

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want to overdo the soundboard thing too
much. So you think that is probably

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right? Thank you? You think
you think who is probably right, who

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can say. I mean, maybe
an occasional sniper shot of a good opportunity,

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but hands free. I'm going to
see how much restrained. I'm a

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man of moderation if nothing else.
You are not. You have no sensibility

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with you whatsoever. It has taken
me like absolutely losing my goddamn mind for

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even consider doing this. You have
changed the evolution of podcasting as we know

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it. Well, I can't say
you're right anymore because you've ruined it.

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You have changed the way we communicate
as a society. I can't be myself

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anymore because I don't want it snippeted
and then used against me without my control.

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Well, just do you think Mary
is probably right? Well, don't

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snip anything, spiller, goddamn business. Well, for a moment in time,

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I'm just I'm just practicing moderation.
Not I'm not not complete abstinence here,

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just just moderation. You are not
important enough to be this annoying.

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Wow, oh oh, that's really
great. If somebody told me that,

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I think I would just fall over
and die. Put that on my dooms

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the next time I write a book. I'm just no matter what the book's

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about. When you just ship that
back of the box quote from You Were

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Shot. Oh my god, it's
incredible. I don't want to sniff that

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one. Geez. It's great seeing
both of you in La. By the

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way, you learn nothing. I've
learned things. You haven't learned. How

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to peel a banana. Apparently,
I can't give you shit for that.

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I've never peeled a banana. But
there we go. Most of this podcast

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doesn't know how to work a banana. I don't know banana's learned. I

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do like the concept of bomb bakes, where you try and bake something a

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very simple, pared down recipe and
we just say go for it, and

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we I mean, somebody has to
eat it. But I think it would

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be really lovely to see you make
the effort. I've done a few like

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cooking stream type things, and like
it hasn't gone terribly poorly. I made

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a grilled cheese once. I did
a couple of couple of sponsored streams that

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were that worked out pretty well for
the most part. You know, bank

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is always like, you know,
okay, Marry quick wrestling reference here,

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if they're gonna do a fire spot, like if someone's gonna go through a

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flaming table, there are guys just
out of front flame frame with five frame

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flame frame fire extinguishers are ready to
go, and that's me with the cooking

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stream is bonk is just right out
of frame, just an adult ready to

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jump in. If I'm like,
rad, is this gonna blow up?

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What's happening? Like? Yeah,
so she's she's keeping us alive here.

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I would do that too. She
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constructing the mac and cheese tub,
and I really appreciated that. We didn't

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really have any incidences during that.
It was only post cheese that there was

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an incident. Yep, yep,
still still doesn't bend all the way down.

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Really, My wrist already feels better
at there. I broke mind just

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better. It's improved quite a bit. But it's like it like has like

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a bar that can Like the doctor
did tell me to be like July fourth

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is before it, so I was
getting have you gone through finger physical therapy?

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They taught me, They taught me
things to do and gave me all

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these little like splints and things like
that. So I've been I've been,

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you know, doing the stuff they
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did for like a week use of
a finger anyway, Like, yeah,

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it was hard for like opening stuff. You don't think about how much you

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use that middle finger. But uh, you know, at this point,

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like all the functional things are kind
of back. I mean I can shake

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hands without pain, I can open
those things, so I can pick my

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nose. Yeah, yeah, so
everybody uses their middle finger. Yeah that's

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no. Maybe after the carve out
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bigger you know, middle to your
sized. Yeah. Good, well,

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it was really good seeing you all
during Summer Games Fest. I have to

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say there's a lot of criticism of
like whether or not Summer Games Fest is

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E three worthy, and I think
there is discussion to be had there in

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terms of like reveals and the quality
and the caliber of everything. But what

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I will say is is it really
fills my cup to see a lot of

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people in person that I interact with
almost every day on Twitter or via email.

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I can't tell you how many times
I'm like talking to a PR person

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like Tinsley or some incredible, amazing
person and I never actually see their face,

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and so interacting getting drinks with like
John Drake and you guys, and

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just hanging out and enjoying each other's
company is extraordinarily valuable for me. I

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would take any excuse just to have
three days to drink with my friends,

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even like a silly thing like starting
the trip with us three and grub.

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Just watch mcgrber in my hotel room, like that is just like you one.

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We're setting the tone. We're setting
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I felt swep during it. I
think, didn't you? I think so,

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but I tried to be really quiet
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steff sleep. I did not notice, like three fourth the way through it,

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I thought your fall asleep. I
was so glad I kept triggering Dan's

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like ear robot marking on me again
for being too loud at night. The

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robot hotel. Yeah about hotel.
I was very very pleased just to see

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how much you were laughing. I'd
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That wasn't. Oh, but I
just realized I have an internal rule

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on podcasts where if half of the
podcast crew are wrestling people, I give

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myself kind of permission to do wrestling
references and phrases and stuff, but if

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it's less than half, I spare
it. So that's why fire Escape is

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usually fairly wrestling free. But Mike
serious, and we're crying like sixty sixty

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six percent in here, so we'll
go to deep ninety percent Disney. So

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I don't think he like is counts
as like a full wrestling person. Oh

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there's room in my heart for all
sorts of stupid fans. But in your

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background is wrestling? Prove it?
What? What? What? What?

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Am I back? Oh? H
here we go all right? By the

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audio listener thumb phone kiss, No, that is an official aw merchandise.

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Some'm like, weird pervert thing.
Well, let's break it down here.

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Never mind, we're not going to
make that gesture for those audio listeners.

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He was making the whackoff gesture.
So, Mike, if we had to

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like that percentage wise thing, like
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is made up? Okay, let's
just break make it simple. Wrestling,

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video games and Disney wrestling would definitely
be the smallest of those three. Remember,

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let's say fifty percent video games,
forty percent Disney, ten percent wrestling

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honestly, which, yeah, that's
probably right. Video games is so much

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of it. I mean, that's
work. And then I still I think

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you were talking to us last week
Dan, like, oh, like,

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you know if every time, I
like sometimes I'll just stream and it seems

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kind of crazy because that is work. That's kind of where I am where,

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you know, I joke around on
content sometimes, like movies and TV

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shows are mid and I kind of
am that way though, Like I don't

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if I have every time, I'm
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part. Even my Disney consumption isn't
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It's kind of like listening to podcasts
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a video game. Wow, Okay, Mary, let's say for you pick

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three things. Let's say one of
these video games for all of us,

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uh, two other passions, and
let's get a let's get a percentage breakdown,

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Like if there was a pie chart
of Mary, I would say,

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uh, I kind of follow the
Minati method. Even when I'm watching TV,

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I'm playing a video game. I
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of most of my life. When
I'm on a plane, that's video games.

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When I'm winding down for the evening
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game. So chances are my pichart
is sixty percent games, which sounds excessive,

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but it's usually around somewhere in my
life. There's got to be a

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really good chance that twenty five percent
is my dog. I do count that

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as a personality, and I don't
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her whole personality. We two hobbies
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I didn't include my dog. Yeah, all of my family members and

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pets. It's a huge part of
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It's important to like go outside with
him. If like, okay, would

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you consider like me walking outside a
hobby. Yeah, let's just say,

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like yeah Outdorector. I literally don't
do without my dog. Though. Yeah,

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I can understand what Mary's saying.
That is like a whole personality for

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people, especially like you know,
the big cat people. Right, Like,

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I get that that's a lot like
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my dog least, but I don't
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My dog's almost like a roommate,
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my roommate as one of my hobbies. Mary, this is a bit he

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does. He doesn't actually have a
dog. Yeah, Dan things, my

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dog's fake. I like this bit. But what I will say is like

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family members aside. What I'm saying
is like when I go outdoors, which

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is a big part of my hobby
and things that I do to not be

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looking at a screen. My dog
is literally every ever present. If you

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want to say the outdoors, we
will mentally picture a dog there, yes,

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plus dog parentheses dog. It's important
parentheses dog. Yes, so outdoors

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parentheses dog. What percentagees that twenty
five percent? Okay? And video games

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are what sixty? Okay? What's
the other one? More slice? I

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like going out to eat that's fifteen? Yeah, I do like that.

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That's great, of course, And
like eating and drinking usually not good for

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me. Food, you know,
like cheese fries and cheese fry proba and

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had a big cheese fry problem for
a while. Guess what I did two

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hours ago, Mike, But I
had cheese fries. I can't even do

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it anymore. I'm like, no, it's sicking years off my life every

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time I indulged so heavily. Back
when, back then we go to Longhorn,

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we'd get that cheese fry appetizer and
be like, what two sides do

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you want? I was like I
would like both of those to also be

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cheese fries. Please don't skip out
on the ranch dressing. I need to

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dip them off. They were just
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is so important, amazing. I
feel like it's funny that you went like

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through AA for cheese fries. Like, I can't look like that anymore.

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I can't do it. My name
is Mike Manatti, and I'm addicted to

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cheese fries with branch dressing on the
side. I've ruined my family. Like,

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one step is I have to call
all the people that your relationship with

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cheese fries is Johnny Rockets everybody,
sake and shake. I'm sorry. All

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right, So Mary Big slices,
video games, Middle Slice outdoors, Prince's

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dog, Little Slice is going out
to eat, Yes, specifically like bar

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food. I think that's kind of
important, but I don't know if that's

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too specific. All right, that's
me go. I'd say fifty percent video

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games, forty percent wrestling, and
ten percent movies. I would say,

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okay, what would your percent chance
be if you were to go one on

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one with Kurt Angle at Sacrifice though, Oh, it would be like one

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hundred sixty six percent at best.
All right, thank you? Yeah,

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yeah, that's that's a wrestling reference. Mary, that's a good one.

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Oh did you do yours? What's
your pie chart? Did first? Yeah?

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What are you? Dan? You
got? Catching Dan's memory? I

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was a lot, although I think
about probably more like sixty video games,

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thirty Disney ten wrestling. We could
do that media only I might have cheated,

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Like do you know what we tried
to We tried to get you off

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of making your dog part of it. That's all right. I mean I'm

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more angry every time, you know, sometimes I fight just to do it,

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just to feel like I get it. You're scrappy, Yeah, Mary,

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I think I've probably learned it from
you. Dan. Sometimes, even

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when like I don't really have a
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Goady a lot, Like during Game
of the Year, sometimes I just disagree

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just to watch you squirm. I
don't actually believe in it. Why would

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you merch the good name of our
Game of the Year by just controlling just

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a troll. I don't see why
you would do something just to get someone's

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eyere up. Ye do that You
think you can get away with a statement

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like that is so vile. If
we get a high chart of what your

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personality is. It's ninety percent troll. There's probably like five percent gas,

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and then the other five percent is
just a waste. It's nothing, it

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has nothing. You're on You're on
this podcast with two journalists. If you

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want to be a troll instead of
a journalist, then that's your prerogative.

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You're you are two mediocre men that
have stumbled on an iota of success in

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games. You have just been existing
in this space for so long that you

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have found a way to be here, and now I'm stuck with you like

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an audio based venereal disease. Wow, what did I do to deserve that

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album? We are connected by proxy. You do not get out of coming

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into the show tonight with just Bold
Chambers just unloading Jesus Christ. I don't

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know what, like which I hurt
in a previous life. To be stuck

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with both of you for three hours
tonight changed you. Okay, this is

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its you. But damn, I
don't know what's going on with you today

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because you also tweeted at me.
Your opinion is worthless and your soul is

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cat pissed. So something's going on
today. You knew what was coming down

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the pipe for that one. Yeah, you knew what you were doing.

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We'll get to it later. But
I got a great recommendation for you.

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I hate this like this is you
were like, whoa, Mary is like

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really aggressive tonight. You've been building
me up for this. You've been wearing

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it down for years. You have
just been touching at my very existence so

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that you can watch me deep sigh
on this podcast when you finally break me.

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Oh, they're falling apart without Mike
hear. Oh no I did.

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He was the glue together. Mike
say it. Play something on my tin

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whistle, something something relaxing. Please, yes, is zoom is eating all

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of it? I can't believe up
ship It's beautiful. Don't worry. It'll

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be on the Audacity recording. Wonderful. Do you want to take a dentist

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call on this? Thank you Mary. This happened on it the BombCast.

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Yeah, it's like I was like
I had a like my dentist called,

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so I just like what I muted, like the like discord not Audacity.

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Yeah. On the call, we
didn't hear it. So we're just talking

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like things are normal. And then
on the BombCast we just hear Mike making

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a dentist appointment. Oh my god, I just got a warning from my

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watch about it loud environment and the
only thing in the room is me.

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I'm the only person I know hotel, and I can I can leak through

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headphones. I've heard that before.
That's incredible. I'm a loud asshole.

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Well, I hope you're teeth through
okay, Oh yeah, they're great.

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Yeah, and everything going on okay
in there? Yeah? Yeah, No,

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I had a I had to get
a root canal. But I chipped

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this tooth when I was a kid
trying to fighting over a puppet with somebody,

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and there's been like, yeah,
there's been issues with that tooth.

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My back, I was there's no
great story. It wasn't even like a

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fight. It just meant some other
kid wanted a puppet, so we're yanking

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on it. And somehow I like
yanked too hard or something, and my

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head smashes onto like a marble windows
sill, and part of my tooth chips

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off. But I was like young
enough that my you know, teeth were

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still kind of growing, so it
kind of came in awkwardly. And so

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this tooth is mostly capped and then
there was like an infection that happened related

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to it's beginning, like trying.
Yeah, oh yeah it was. I

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was bad one time. It almost
got to my eye and I was in

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the hospital. Then it was fine. It it popped and puss went everywhere

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and I felt way better. Mike, you and I are clearly just falling

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apart as we age. Mary,
are you falling apart as well? No?

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I keep it together. Geez,
serious casts and better diet. That

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does might be this is all the
cheese fries catching up with me again.

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I maybe in twenty years we'll see
where I'm at. But I really do

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make an active effort to like walk
every day. I just sleep eight hours

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every day. I am active,
but I do like cheese. I started

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running because of Dan, honestly,
because you were talking about I don't know

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if you're still doing that with everything
else today, and it's it's hurting and

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it's gonna be real hard after two
weeks off with the surgery. But yeah,

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I'm still on steroids right now,
so nice, doing pretty good with

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that. Nice. So it's all
natural. It's not going to go away

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once those are done. Absolutely not. No, No, But like I

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don't know Dan some I listening to
fire Escape because I was going on just

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walkies and actually listening to you guys, and it was literally Dan was talking

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about running and at that moment I
felt shave it, just started running for

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the frost, like in that way
you're talking about. I was like,

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I was like the dig do it? Soak it up? Rocky music playing

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in my head. You know,
I'm inspirational. I have a positive influence

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on the use of the industry that
right now, that is like your saving

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grace. You think you can be. You could be a positive influence if

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you choose to be. How you
choose to spend your time positively and negatively

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I think is debatable, but I
agree like your running is inspirational, and

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I think it's wonderful that you do
it. Oh thank you. I do

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think they we're going to do.
We'll do a Disney marathon together in a

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year or two. It'll be great. How many children have opened bananas stupidly

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because of you. I'm advocating.
I'm not saying my way is right.

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I'm saying I was stupid about that. For the record, for those who

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didn't see the thing I tweeted out, I bought bunks out of town,

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and when boks out of town,
I just don't know how anything works.

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And yeah, us I was.
I went to go get bread at the

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grocery store today because I need peanut
butter sandwiches to stay live, and I

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was like, oh, bananas,
fruit would probably be good. I haven't

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had a fruit in like months.
So I four bananas and they were perfect.

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There were four perfectly right bananas.
The cashier was even like, oh,

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these are ready to go. These
are great bananas, and I was

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like, yes they are. I
was like proud of myself and I go

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home and I went to separate one
from the pack and it just like the

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whole top just and like it just
all four of them opened up, and

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I'm like, oh, great now
they're all just compromised. And I ate

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one. It was great, but
then the other three years just like,

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well, okay, that's just I'm
not gonna eat four bananas at once.

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Well you should have just maybe frozen
them. I did. Yeah, people

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like froze. Not me. Could
never be me, but some people like

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frozen bananas, and BANK can do
like banana bread stuff. So hopefully I

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have salvage it to some degree.
Oh yeah, that won't go to waste.

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Yeah, fine, Yeah, I
absolve you of this crime. Thank

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you, Thank you say I'm a
reasonable man. Yeah, Dan is right,

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thank you. Oh my god,
you promised that you would stop.

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I did it. That was for
the audio listener through her mouth moved when

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that was said. If the lies
continue, you have not grown an inch.

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Are still the same absolute garbage dump
of a man that I always thought

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you were. You have opportunities to
better yourself. I think you should see

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it as a compliment, because like, I'm not like this with people like

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and just normal, like I'm just
meeting someone, or if I just like

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kind of know someone, I don't
do this. I don't someone's not in

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the crosshairs until I know them very
well and uh and it's a good,

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fun, friendly relationship and then then
I can do this stuff. So it's

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kind of jealous, honestly. It
used to be I was the first one

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he collected voice wise, and now
you know he barely replays mine. He's

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so enamored with your voice samples,
probably because you get the most upset about

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it. And I have no statements
that I think are universal for different things.

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But it also pisses me the fuck
off. Oh it was nice.

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I mean, I don't know,
I'm mostly thinking about the Disneyland chyps.

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So that's what I really enjoyed,
which I thought that was super fun.

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And we'll talk about it more when
we're on because I know we're doing the

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BombCast with you know, like Grubb
and others that were on the trip.

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But yeah, just a short version
here. I really really get it a

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lot more. I got a little
bit of it when we went to the

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Star Wars the thing last year with
whatever was the Disney Lose n Island thing

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were like two hours. But this
was like a day. It was a

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day of Disneyland, and I had
I had Mike, I had Bailey,

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I had Jenny, I had people
that knew their shit with Disney, like

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like probably three of the best people
on the planet. Two kind of like

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shepherd me through Disneyland, and goddamn
if it wasn't just a delightful day with

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friends. I just absolutely love that. Well I'll say, you know,

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like, you know, you do
a lot of jokes, but you you

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entered there without a cynical bone in
your body. You were game for everything.

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You were interested and engaged so yeah, you were ready to have a

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good time and you did. Yeah. I just I don't know. I

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don't know if it's just seeing my
dad go into things so negative all the

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time that made me really against that
mindset of just like you know, going

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into something with the like, man, this is stupid, this is a

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this is for the dorks, this
is for me. Like, I don't

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know, I figure, like,
if I'm gonna go to this thing,

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what am I am? I just
gonna go there to not enjoy it because

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I've I've had a predetermined idea in
my head what it's like and also make

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the experience worse for everyone I'm there
with. Like that doesn't seem like a

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way to do that, Like,
you know, I think that's valid.

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I also think there's like some kind
of upside to Stockholm syndrome. Like we

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all joke about it, but if
you think about it, if you're going

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to be stuck with your captors and
in a really like tough situation, you

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might as well be like, what
if this is my life? Maybe I

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do like these people, Maybe this
is a nice home. I think I

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could have a couple of kids and
make a good life out of myself.

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Here. I mean, I think
you've changed your perception for the better,

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and unironically, I do think it's
good that you went into it to have

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a good time. I did the
same thing when I went with a bunch

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of Disney adults to Disney Paris last
year. I don't know, and I'm

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not a Disney person. And the
people I went with, one of them

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had a Mickey Mouse tattoo like on
their neck, like behind their ear,

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Big Disney. They did the thing
too where they map out, so we're

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gonna go here first at eight thirty
in the morning. It makes this perfect

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loops that will be at this place
that I made. They had to make

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uh what do you call it?
Like, they had to make reservations for

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lunch because they book up really quickly
at the it was like a thing like

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a shrinking and large food what lunch
in distantly Paris a shrinking and large lunch

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thing. Yeah, it was like
ant man lunch. The oh they had

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and so some hot dogs were like
this big. Some hot dogs were like

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the size of your thumb. It's
like the Mario World or the Mario three

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big small World. That's my favorite. Shit. They have a real version

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of that. Yes they do,
and it's it books out like weeks in

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advance. You had to get reservation. We had to be there on time

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and it was very expensive. I'll
just text you on Drake again. It

408
00:26:56.359 --> 00:27:03.880
was drink. I will say I
drank the kool aid that day. Dan.

409
00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:07.480
Like they had hamburgers that were like, you know, the size of

410
00:27:07.480 --> 00:27:11.319
a pizza, and then they would
do the opposite too, so like they

411
00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:15.319
would have hamburgers that were like really
really really tiny, and they did it

412
00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:21.400
randomly. So you need Oh,
so you pay like one price hot dog,

413
00:27:22.039 --> 00:27:23.759
pay one price and you go up
to the thing, and if they're

414
00:27:23.799 --> 00:27:29.319
serving a giant hamburger, you get
a slice, and if they're serving tiny

415
00:27:29.319 --> 00:27:32.160
hamburgers, then you take a plate
of a tiny hamberg It was very funny.

416
00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:34.039
I thought it was really cool.
That's amazing. But I think,

417
00:27:34.359 --> 00:27:37.519
and I'm trying to think of the
circumstances where I would want the bigger one.

418
00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:41.119
I think I would want a bunch
of tiny cheeseburgers or a bunch of

419
00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:44.839
tiny hot dogs so I can just
like scoop it, like like eat them

420
00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:48.839
like cereal from a bowl, you
know, instead of milk. Was the

421
00:27:48.839 --> 00:27:53.039
perfect example. Yeah, they're like
little tiny cookies, ton of cookies.

422
00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:57.559
I love cookie. Chris would have
concept what food would be concept, what

423
00:27:57.839 --> 00:28:02.960
food would be better if it was
the bigger version? What what was a

424
00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:07.920
giant? They had a giant Oreo
and it was like a cake and so

425
00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:11.519
you put plice of Oreo. It
was really neat. Visually, I bet

426
00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:15.680
all the big ones look really cool, But in terms of just like eating,

427
00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:18.839
I feel like the smaller ones would
always be the most because wists are

428
00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:22.559
designed very specifically. For like,
because pizza is the way it is with

429
00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:25.640
the triangles you can grab it,
you kind of make it smaller bigg unless

430
00:28:25.640 --> 00:28:27.279
you put it on a bagel and
then you can have pizza anytime that works

431
00:28:27.319 --> 00:28:33.240
out. That's true. I bought
the giant skittles from that weed candy store.

432
00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:36.200
They were awful. So that was
an example of the bigger ones.

433
00:28:36.519 --> 00:28:38.880
Understand how those cost you? Like
eighty you bought like six bags seventy five

434
00:28:38.920 --> 00:28:42.640
dollars Sonic skittles and it was eighty
bucks or something. I don't get dollars

435
00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:48.079
for skittles. Yeah for perfect well, it was like it it was only

436
00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:49.920
six normal bags, little bag not
normal bags. It wasn't like the little

437
00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:52.279
like grocery stryal ones. It was
like you know, the stand up bags,

438
00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:56.519
but like volume, there weren't like
a ton in there. They should

439
00:28:56.519 --> 00:28:57.799
have been like four dollars each,
and they were like twelve dollars each.

440
00:28:57.920 --> 00:29:06.039
But we ate them on care,
so that's an expense. Yeah, they

441
00:29:06.039 --> 00:29:08.480
were the only one that was okay
was the desserts flavored one because there's just

442
00:29:08.920 --> 00:29:14.039
normal skittles with like weird flavors like
I don't know, lemon meringue or something

443
00:29:14.079 --> 00:29:17.279
like that. That was fine.
Yeah, there was about shells or gross.

444
00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:19.400
Yeah, they had unshelled skittles,
so it was just like the innards.

445
00:29:21.279 --> 00:29:23.119
Yeah, what do you think about
you know, the sweetish fish?

446
00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:27.400
You think about a fish sized Swedish
fish. Yeah, that's a good one.

447
00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:30.920
Can take a big bite out of
it, like a big red Yeah.

448
00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:34.559
Do you ever have a baked Alaskan
baked Alaska, because that's a big

449
00:29:34.599 --> 00:29:37.839
fish. It's like ice creamy,
right, Yeah, but it's not a

450
00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:41.319
sweetish fish. It's just also shaped
like a fish. I'm just I guess

451
00:29:41.319 --> 00:29:45.559
I'm surprised how many foods are shaped
like fish that aren't fish. Goldfish,

452
00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:48.160
gold fish, I don't like goldfish. They don't taste anything like cheese.

453
00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:59.799
Yeah, anything like, Oh I
a good big one, the big cheese

454
00:29:59.799 --> 00:30:03.000
that from uh Taco Bell, so
you know they got the cheese and stuff.

455
00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:06.240
Now where they got the like cheese
it crunch wrap and the tostato.

456
00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:10.920
My my buddy Brian Vorer, when
he came over for my birthday recently brought

457
00:30:10.920 --> 00:30:15.440
me one where he bought just like
the toastata, but just asked for everything

458
00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:17.519
off of it except for the cheese
it. So we just bought me a

459
00:30:17.559 --> 00:30:21.000
big ass cheese it and brought it
to my birthday party. And uh yeah

460
00:30:21.039 --> 00:30:22.759
that that was fun to be because
like cheese its are already small, so

461
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:25.839
the novelty is Yeah, it was
great. It was a big ass cheese

462
00:30:25.880 --> 00:30:27.960
it. It was also it was
exact same as you would expect from a

463
00:30:29.039 --> 00:30:30.640
cheese it, but larger one hundred
percent when you want the same like just

464
00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:33.279
kind of crispiness and feel to it. It's just what you just take a

465
00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:37.920
big bite out of it like a
pizza slice. Great. God, what

466
00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:40.559
was it that the kids ate?
And honey, I shrunk the kids?

467
00:30:40.599 --> 00:30:44.599
Was it a big orio or big
like whoopee? Uh, cream filled dessert

468
00:30:44.680 --> 00:30:48.559
thing. I remember, yeah it
was. I just remember it was creamed

469
00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:52.599
because they like put they stuck their
hand in the cream white center of it.

470
00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:57.319
I the ant and stuff. Yeah, no, they had the friendly

471
00:30:57.359 --> 00:31:02.319
ant and then the ant died defend
them from some other evil insect. It

472
00:31:02.319 --> 00:31:06.519
was very traumatizing. You know what
isn't half bad is I'm not a big

473
00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:10.079
oreo guy, despite like the Nato
cheese. Yeah really I'm not because I'm

474
00:31:10.079 --> 00:31:11.839
not a big chocolate guy. But
not either, But I do like oreos.

475
00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:14.680
It's like the one chocolate thing I
like, but go ahead, not

476
00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:17.079
big on it. Once again,
Brian vor was over for like a wrestling

477
00:31:17.079 --> 00:31:21.079
pay per view thing recently, and
he brought the sour patch uh oreos,

478
00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:23.680
and I was like, gross,
it does and I don't. I like

479
00:31:23.799 --> 00:31:26.839
sour patch kids a lot, but
like the idea of that being in an

480
00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:30.440
oreo is kind of weird to that
by it's actually pretty damn okay. So

481
00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:33.960
when we slop you right there,
because I have also had them, No,

482
00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:40.359
they're not they aresting you. They're
pretty good. I think. Do

483
00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:44.240
you think do you think they're better
than that you would expect? No?

484
00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:48.000
Absolutely not. I thought they would
be gross, and they were gross.

485
00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:52.680
No, no chocolate, it was
like the vanilla cookie instead at least,

486
00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:56.920
but it was still very weird and
like way too sweet. And then that

487
00:31:56.160 --> 00:32:01.519
sour kick that that that does not
anywhere near an oreo, absolutely not.

488
00:32:01.880 --> 00:32:05.720
They always do these gimmick oreos,
and I get it. I think that

489
00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:08.640
normal oreos got us there. And
if you want to have the oh golden

490
00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:13.200
orio whatever, that's fine too.
Let's stop the double yeah, okay,

491
00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:16.400
that's just like gott to give credit. Double stuff is good, even the

492
00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:20.400
thins are good. I also like
the ones that are dipped in like the

493
00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:23.759
white fudge, kind of like Christmas
tiny. Yeah, that's pretty good,

494
00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:27.960
a little festive fun for you.
I got it too. A big fight

495
00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:30.599
of a friend because he's like,
double stuffed oreos are standard oreos. I'm

496
00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:34.680
like, no, they're not.
That is nuts. That what they're called

497
00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:37.640
double stuffed? What are they doubled
from if not the standard? I feel

498
00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:43.480
like double stuff it's case cuss.
I feel like I'm feeling right now what

499
00:32:43.559 --> 00:32:45.359
a lot of people think when I
say things on podcasts where it's like somebody

500
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:49.480
said something that's like obviously ridiculous and
It's like, that's insane. Why why

501
00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:52.200
wouldn't he think that it's not default? No, Default was the first one

502
00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:55.400
that came out with the OO.
It's just one of the ones called ore.

503
00:32:55.759 --> 00:33:00.640
That's like saying, uh, oops, all berries is the generics cereal.

504
00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:04.279
They literally say, you should be
We've made it all Barry should be?

505
00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:06.839
You guys, you ever played Kings
or like any game, we have

506
00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:10.440
to do categories Kings like the Kings, it's a drinking game where it's like

507
00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:14.799
each card is a different mini game
and like one of them will be like

508
00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:17.480
category. So go around the table, everybody say a breakfast cereal? Don't

509
00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:22.440
know they can think of one?
One person repeats one that's already been said,

510
00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:24.799
or can't think of an omerginal.
They have to drink it. Okay,

511
00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:30.160
okay, we're like okay, go
racy puffs and it goes around and

512
00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:35.519
around until someone panics. What pull
out oopsaw berries for that? Every time,

513
00:33:35.799 --> 00:33:38.240
always gets a laugh, always works. What's one? It's unique?

514
00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:43.480
What's one? All three of us
would be evenly matched a category? Ah

515
00:33:43.559 --> 00:33:49.519
oh, indie games maybe that'd be
fun, although I do love them.

516
00:33:49.680 --> 00:33:54.079
Yeah, yeah, they're all over
your top tens every fucking game I had

517
00:33:54.359 --> 00:33:58.359
today. You wait, do you
get in the game section? Every fucking

518
00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:01.359
game I have is an indie game. You're just doing that because we caught

519
00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:06.359
you and now you're trying to make
up. Okay, Okay, let's do

520
00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:09.960
it. Let's do ani games.
Okay, I'm so confused. We're gonna

521
00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:15.280
just rat, We're gonna prattle off
indie games. We'll go, We'll go

522
00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:17.840
and Mike Cancart, he's the guest, and Mike marry me, and we'll

523
00:34:17.840 --> 00:34:22.719
go until somebody can't name one and
they get eliminated and we get like five

524
00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:27.039
five is tennis seconds round. Let's
go fast daily dollar, you know,

525
00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:30.199
pull it up and they Okay,
go Mare, Now go Undertail. You

526
00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:37.360
start Stardo, hollow Night, you
son of them, Me Shoot Adventures,

527
00:34:39.039 --> 00:34:50.880
Celeste, Thirsty Suitors, raid O, God, blasphemous. I must sit

528
00:34:50.920 --> 00:34:59.760
it, Castle Crashers. I'm gonna
drink drinking that marries the first one out.

529
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:06.280
I guess the biggest disrespector of indie
games on the podcast Limbo. Oh

530
00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:10.079
no, I'm done. There's only
there's only losers of this game. Dan.

531
00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:15.119
Okay, So Mary is the biggest
disrespector of India yes, loser.

532
00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:19.840
We all know who is right now, and it is not about the game

533
00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:22.920
at all. It is about a
person who thinks that this drinking game is

534
00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:29.360
going to define them. Let's look
at the top tens, Dan you Triple

535
00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:36.000
A shill. Okay, okay,
okay, okay, look at the Maybe

536
00:35:36.039 --> 00:35:37.599
we looked through some some top tens. I didn't have a ton of indie

537
00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:45.159
games on there, but Triple A
shill. That's only you don't consider Nintendo

538
00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:50.239
Triple Ad. That's like Disney Fruit. Yeah, okay, get you,

539
00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:54.519
yeah you understand. Yes. I
was extremely negative on God of War Ragnarock.

540
00:35:54.559 --> 00:36:00.199
I was extremely negative on Red Dead
Redemption too. Like Triple A stuff,

541
00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:04.280
I am not like if it's good, You're down on a very specific

542
00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:07.840
direction that some Triple A games have
taken that's very narrative focused and kind of

543
00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:13.239
slow pace. I've always hated Assassin's
Creed. That is like the most Triple

544
00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:15.880
A fucking yearly instalment thing. I
think Call of Duty has been mostly boring

545
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:19.960
recently, I think, you know, like Battlefield I think has been boring

546
00:36:20.039 --> 00:36:22.639
for ten years. You know,
like I do not consider my like for

547
00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:25.239
real, I do not consider myself
a big Triple A guy, if you

548
00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:30.000
told me gun to my head,
death stranding like a person, I know,

549
00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:34.599
I I like that s training now, but I also think it's like

550
00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:37.760
if I reviewed it, I would
give it like an eight. Metal Gear.

551
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:42.800
Metal Gear is medle here Mario Zelda, Yes, yes, three.

552
00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:46.760
I like a lot of big ass
Triple A games. Absolutely, Astrobot I

553
00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:50.400
played at SGF. That is fucking
the coolest thing I played forever. That's

554
00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:52.239
a big budget and Triple A game. But I'm saying it's gun to my

555
00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:55.639
head if a Genie popped up.
I don't know why a Genie's got a

556
00:36:55.639 --> 00:36:59.599
gun, but if a genie pops
up and says, hey, we're gonna

557
00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:01.440
for the the rest of your life, you can either play games with a

558
00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:07.760
budget over five million dollars or a
budget under five million dollars, I'm going

559
00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:12.400
to say under for real. I
just I want to make a concept album

560
00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:15.960
called Genie's Got a Gun or something. It's like sound yeah, yeah,

561
00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:20.239
that rolls off the time. I
mean that that's not a bit. I

562
00:37:20.360 --> 00:37:24.039
really I think smaller, like kind
of like the B game type stuff down

563
00:37:24.079 --> 00:37:29.360
to like Andy and everything. I
think that is where way more interesting stuff

564
00:37:29.400 --> 00:37:32.320
happens than the big Triple A stuff. I mean that, I agree.

565
00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:36.840
I we we've talked about this before. I consider it like the food truck

566
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:40.679
of the games world. They're able
to try things without as much concern.

567
00:37:40.840 --> 00:37:44.599
I do actually think their entire livelihoods
depend on it. So I don't want

568
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:47.599
to say it's less concern. But
what I'm saying is is because the budgets

569
00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:52.039
are smaller, they are able to
take these risks and go for it,

570
00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:55.480
and you will see these like incredible
success stories that you would never have seen

571
00:37:55.559 --> 00:37:59.760
there, pushing boundaries of game design
because they could be like, Hey,

572
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:01.760
the three of us in a living
room thought it was really rad and we

573
00:38:01.760 --> 00:38:06.000
didn't have eight executives telling us what
the fuck to do. I think that

574
00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:12.519
that is freedom incarnate. Yeah,
I agreed. I agree, And also

575
00:38:12.559 --> 00:38:15.880
like, like, okay, Final
Fantasy seven Rebirth. I was not super

576
00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:16.400
hot on that thought it was a
good game, but I think it was

577
00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:20.159
a great game. One and two
right now on my game of the year

578
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:23.119
are probably Blatro and Prince of Persia. With Prince Persia is not a little

579
00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:28.320
indie game by any means, but
it's also not massive, cretly different from

580
00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:31.239
like the decks far Cry sure,
and you ow you liked Rebirth for you're

581
00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:35.039
high on rehearth. I do.
And for the record, I do like

582
00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:37.159
Rebirth a lot because I did peter
out by the end. It's way too

583
00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:39.599
long. I petered out by the
end, you know, like I don't.

584
00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:44.599
I never cared about the story necessarily
that game, But like Animal Well,

585
00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:47.559
I found Animal Well more interesting than
than Final Fantasy Year. Okay,

586
00:38:47.559 --> 00:38:50.480
you guys had that question last week. It was somebody like, well,

587
00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:52.719
what's a game that like? It's
it kind of like diserves you some but

588
00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:57.800
doesn't like it. Jeff Grub,
my good friend who loves like puzzle kind

589
00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:00.920
of games, loves Metroid Vanius.
You thought Animal Well was okay, And

590
00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:04.360
I'm just like, ah, I'm
trying to come to terms with that one.

591
00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:07.599
I can think I can see it
because the more I play it,

592
00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:12.239
the more I struggle with the idea
that even though Metroidvanias are about finding a

593
00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:14.840
place and not knowing what to do
with it, and coming back to it

594
00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:17.840
at a later time with more power
and understanding, Now, that's what you

595
00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:22.440
can do. I think excellent game
design is that the second that you acquire

596
00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:28.199
that power, being like I know
exactly where I'm supposed to go, or

597
00:39:28.360 --> 00:39:32.880
the game is so incredible that the
level design places you in that space so

598
00:39:32.920 --> 00:39:36.960
that you're like, I have this
power now, and you have placed me

599
00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:39.400
in a space that I have been
before, and now I can reach that

600
00:39:39.519 --> 00:39:44.760
moment. Like that feels really good
that the player isn't questioning themselves and the

601
00:39:44.920 --> 00:39:47.199
entire time you play Animal while you're
questioning yourself, because it doesn't tell you,

602
00:39:47.320 --> 00:39:51.719
shit, did did you figure out
the fast travel yet? Mary?

603
00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:53.800
I haven't gone back to Animal.
Well, I have to be honest with

604
00:39:53.840 --> 00:39:59.199
you. I will also say maybe
I'm I like Animal well more than Grub,

605
00:39:59.239 --> 00:40:00.880
but maybe less than some people,
because like I saw credits and I

606
00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:05.440
felt like fine, like like I'm
like frying with like stopping there, you

607
00:40:05.480 --> 00:40:07.880
know. I I know there's like
credits, ever credits, and you can

608
00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:09.480
play fifty sixty hours if you want
to. I played like ten hours of

609
00:40:09.519 --> 00:40:12.280
it, and I was like,
I really liked that game a lot,

610
00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:15.079
but I didn't feel like I needed
to, you know, beat my head

611
00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:16.559
against the wall looking at every pixel
on the map and make sure I did

612
00:40:16.599 --> 00:40:20.880
a hundred percent during I'm probably like, you know, Jeff beat the game

613
00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:22.519
and he liked it, but I
think he's just kind of like a lot

614
00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:23.800
of people were like, you know, really freaking out about this, and

615
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:27.559
you know, I thought it was
I thought it was good, but maybe

616
00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:30.320
it wasn't super super in love with
it. But grab's another one who like,

617
00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:32.679
I can't get the get into Hall
of Nights somehow, even though again,

618
00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:36.800
guy, I do want. Yeah, well we'll wait till we're in

619
00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:43.440
the official game section about cheese fries
again and I'm bringing up video games were

620
00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:51.239
going in. Yeah, be a
journalist, name your sources. Jeff Graub,

621
00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:58.599
I speaking friends of him, watching
him at SGF is just like,

622
00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:01.480
yeah, what is that skill?
That like impressive? Dude? Yeah,

623
00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:04.559
And it's you know, I saw
it with Gersman, I see it with

624
00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:07.880
Grub where it's like I'm just in
awe of like, Okay, you're gonna

625
00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:15.119
have twenty thirty maybe more people on
this couch tonight, And neither of them

626
00:41:15.159 --> 00:41:17.719
ever had any notes, neither of
them ever, Like you know, it

627
00:41:17.800 --> 00:41:21.320
is just that thing of like,
all right, let's just talk. And

628
00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:24.639
man, I'm a talker. I
like conversation and everything. I do it

629
00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:28.639
for a living. But like the
idea of like, here's people I barely

630
00:41:28.639 --> 00:41:31.119
even know where, maybe just met
tonight, and these people don't necessarily know

631
00:41:31.159 --> 00:41:34.679
each other, and then like they
all have very different jobs in the industry

632
00:41:34.719 --> 00:41:38.360
and like keeping everything going and keeping
it interesting, and like, I that

633
00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:44.000
is a rare, rare ability,
and I was, I was really have

634
00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:46.719
yeah, a panic attack just having
to introduce people because I would not remember

635
00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:50.559
all the games. I think it's
incredible what he's able to do. I

636
00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:53.519
will say I actually think he like
keeps it on the rails more than previous

637
00:41:53.519 --> 00:41:59.039
hosts. I think he like has
an ability to pivot or like keep things

638
00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:05.920
to someone of a degree, like
on schedule, and I think there is

639
00:42:06.519 --> 00:42:09.320
a talent in being able to do
that. It's really not something I would

640
00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:13.280
want to do either. I wouldn't
ask for that job. You know.

641
00:42:13.639 --> 00:42:16.519
I want to be the person that's
trying to derail the show. That's where

642
00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:21.079
I shine. Well, that's just
you, and we wouldn't try to derail

643
00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:25.360
anything. You have those of how
to keep anything together. And this entire

644
00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:30.320
thing has been brought together and kept
together by Mike Maharty, who is not

645
00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:35.719
here, which is why at any
moment in time, this could absolutely dissolve

646
00:42:35.840 --> 00:42:38.159
and it would be on the blood
would be on Minatti's hands. Are we

647
00:42:38.159 --> 00:42:43.840
given Maharty too much credit? Yeah, properly? Or what do you think

648
00:42:43.840 --> 00:42:46.800
he's doing right now? He's drinking
wine, he's about he's having his wife

649
00:42:46.840 --> 00:42:51.280
take a picture of him as he's
standing in front of architecture. He's wearing

650
00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:53.599
sunglasses and an expensive shirt. He's
got a half drink bottle of wine and

651
00:42:53.639 --> 00:43:00.159
he's looking up into the ocean.
It. Yeah, it would be to

652
00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:02.320
see he's in France. Would be
the It wouldn't be the ocean, be

653
00:43:02.360 --> 00:43:19.440
the mentoring mister geography. France's it's
smart. You could definitely get to the

654
00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:23.320
ocean from France as I think about
it. Please, being exhausted of you,

655
00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:28.320
Oh my god, thank you for
having It's been great. You guys

656
00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:32.440
want to talk about video games?
Sure? Mary Kish, Yes, Dan,

657
00:43:32.840 --> 00:43:37.760
our buddy, Mike Maharty is cawarding
across Europe right now, spending thousands

658
00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:42.639
of dollars and then chasing wines across
all the vineyards of France. That's foolish,

659
00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:45.360
I say, because you know what, You're gonna have it delivered right

660
00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:46.960
to your door. Thanks, to
person leave. You know, right now,

661
00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:51.199
it's my favorite time of year.
It's it's renewal time for person leave.

662
00:43:51.400 --> 00:43:53.679
That means reconnecting with friends and family
I haven't seen for a while,

663
00:43:53.800 --> 00:43:57.599
and when I do, I want
to make sure I have plenty of wine

664
00:43:57.639 --> 00:44:00.440
on hand, right here in my
house, not in Europe, for us

665
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:02.119
to celebrate with. That's why I
have pers Leaf. Tell them about it,

666
00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:07.760
Mary who has time for France.
As America's most personalized wine company,

667
00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:13.199
First Leaf takes the worry and guesswork
out of buying quality wines. When I

668
00:44:13.239 --> 00:44:16.639
got started, I just answered some
questions about wine I like, and First

669
00:44:16.719 --> 00:44:22.440
Leaf sent it to me In about
five minutes. I finished my personalized wine

670
00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:25.760
profile and then they just sent it
to my door. I love reconnecting with

671
00:44:25.800 --> 00:44:30.119
friends and family over bottles of First
Leaf wine. I bet you feel the

672
00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:32.119
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673
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674
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676
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677
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com slash Fire Escape. All right, Dan, I know you've been trying

678
00:44:55.480 --> 00:44:59.159
to do some of that growing we've
been talking about. You went back to

679
00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:02.719
Hallow Night, getting it a real
shot. I believe. What do you

680
00:45:02.719 --> 00:45:06.360
have to say to us? Well, first, I really like I don't

681
00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:08.599
know. I feel like we've done
this podcast for four years or something now,

682
00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:12.400
and I've gotten to know Mary's sensibilities
with games and stuff, and so

683
00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:15.920
I want to give a very firm
recommendation for this game to Marry. Check

684
00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:19.320
it out. I don't know if
it's on game Pass or anything. Take

685
00:45:19.360 --> 00:45:22.960
a look real quick beforehand. But
I do think Mary, I know you've

686
00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:24.559
talked to You've talked up metro Vanias
and stuff in the past. I know

687
00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:29.320
you like indie games. It's got
an awesome art style. It is.

688
00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:31.760
There's a lot going on here,
and I just you know, we've been

689
00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:35.679
giving each other kind of assignments lately
before we go into the next episode.

690
00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:37.800
So that's Mary, before the next
episode, Try Hollow Night. Okay,

691
00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:43.719
let's talk about it. This is
so fucking exhausting that you think you can

692
00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:46.320
just get away with this little piecemeal
piece of shit thing that you have been

693
00:45:46.360 --> 00:45:50.440
doing to me. This isn't just
like a four year bit. This has

694
00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:55.039
been going on after a decade.
I have been game for ten years.

695
00:45:55.480 --> 00:45:59.800
That has been ten years. Really, you fucking wouldn't know because you don't

696
00:45:59.800 --> 00:46:02.760
get about indie games. You fucking
fink ship. Okay, you don't know

697
00:46:02.840 --> 00:46:07.400
anything. All right, that's a
handshake agreement here, Mary Cash. I'm

698
00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:12.920
dropping the holiday bit and then you
drop you. You know I like indie

699
00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:17.360
games, So let's say I will
I will be host this situation. Yeah,

700
00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:21.920
there we go. Oh god,
okay, I'm dropping the bit entirely.

701
00:46:22.039 --> 00:46:24.400
Let's let's talk holiday. Does that
sound good? You also have to

702
00:46:24.440 --> 00:46:31.960
give up all audio recording bitation hands
hands free this whole I pressed it once

703
00:46:32.199 --> 00:46:38.800
this episode. I'm talking about permanently. That's oh, Mary, I think.

704
00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:42.199
Come on, let's be reasonable.
We always have one for one.

705
00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:46.360
I don't remember asking you a goddamn
thing. I like that. We have

706
00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:51.320
to do a negotiation to disagree not
to do bits and have a normal conversation.

707
00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:57.880
Negotiate with me to not kill Manati
because this is a no K fave

708
00:46:58.000 --> 00:47:00.199
zone. This is all just us
talking against people. No bits all a

709
00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:02.960
deal. We're in the ok fame
zone. Okay, all right, there's

710
00:47:02.960 --> 00:47:08.159
an ernest conversation here. Okay,
I am playing Holly Night again. I

711
00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:14.239
am about four to five hours in
right now. Okay. I will say

712
00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:19.199
I am enjoying it more than I
did the first time, and I think

713
00:47:19.199 --> 00:47:24.840
I'm gonna keep going. I am
seeing some of the things that originally bothered

714
00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:29.679
me about it, but I'm being
more patient with it now and I'm sticking

715
00:47:29.679 --> 00:47:32.239
with it a little bit. And
also I think it helps that like when

716
00:47:32.239 --> 00:47:36.159
did this community? You said it
was like ten was twenty seventeen. I

717
00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:38.199
just twenty seventeen. Okay, So
like at that point in Google Games,

718
00:47:38.239 --> 00:47:42.000
while we're talking, Minati, I
am it out for you. Now I'm

719
00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:45.760
watching party does it like all the
time? Well he doesn't. He stays

720
00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:50.960
out of my fucking business because he
knows better and you don't know any better.

721
00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:53.079
But I'm gonna teach you, baby
girl, You're not sucking Google shit.

722
00:47:53.440 --> 00:48:00.280
While I'm angry, I rotated to
Minati for a second, You're place,

723
00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:01.960
so I don't put you in it. This is what happens. But

724
00:48:02.039 --> 00:48:07.599
she realizes that she can only hurt
dance, so much. Okay, so

725
00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:09.679
if it came out in twenty seventeen, I think I played it when it

726
00:48:09.679 --> 00:48:14.679
first came out, and I probably
dabbled with like Souls games and things like

727
00:48:14.719 --> 00:48:16.599
that and at that point, but
definitely not to the level that like,

728
00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:20.280
oh when I you know, I
beat blood Borne since then, well no,

729
00:48:20.559 --> 00:48:22.159
I guess I would have played bood
Born at that point. Well,

730
00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:24.000
anyway, like Elder, I think
I'm just more open now to the like

731
00:48:24.079 --> 00:48:29.199
the Soul's type of systems are like
everywhere now, and I think I'm more

732
00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:30.119
used to it now. It's the
same way like when I played Binding of

733
00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:32.079
Isaac and I was like, what
the fuck is this? I lose all

734
00:48:32.079 --> 00:48:34.960
my shit and I have to start
over because I hadn't played a lot of

735
00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:37.559
Rogue Lights. Well now I've played
a lot of Souls likes and so now

736
00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:40.679
this idea of like losing some currency
or whatever or like the big thing for

737
00:48:40.760 --> 00:48:45.719
me originally was like going to areas
and not having the map and then I

738
00:48:45.760 --> 00:48:49.840
have to find and buy the map. That hasn't been that bad this time,

739
00:48:49.880 --> 00:48:52.559
because I think I'm That's Apprecia did
the same thing many two adventures.

740
00:48:52.599 --> 00:48:57.559
Like I was talking like flying around
for a long time. Yeah, it's

741
00:48:57.599 --> 00:49:00.800
it's so it Honestly, that does
not really bother me. Fucking elden Ring

742
00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:01.719
does that, Like you don't have
the map until you get to that little

743
00:49:01.719 --> 00:49:05.199
thing on the side of the road
or whatever. So like that was such

744
00:49:05.239 --> 00:49:07.159
a big thing for me where I
was like, what that hell was this?

745
00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:10.159
And I formed an opinion based on
that, and you know, and

746
00:49:10.199 --> 00:49:15.280
honestly, like the art style thing
that that was a bit you know,

747
00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:16.639
like, oh, thank god,
I guess that was the one that drove

748
00:49:16.719 --> 00:49:25.000
me. Oh, I'm so relieved
society judged you for that one. Like

749
00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:31.239
you can look zone right now,
Okay, I agree. I mean I

750
00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:35.639
think there is quality of life.
And we'll actually talk about this later in

751
00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:38.960
the game section because I played metroidvani
As this this last two weeks too.

752
00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:45.000
That have just improved so much in
the last five years or so. The

753
00:49:45.039 --> 00:49:51.000
marking of the map is so valuable
to me. Now when metro Venias don't

754
00:49:51.079 --> 00:49:52.320
let you mark the map, I'm
a little like, come on, like,

755
00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:55.559
I don't want to have to visit
this place six times because I forgot

756
00:49:57.079 --> 00:50:00.519
that I need something I don't have
to get through here. So I think

757
00:50:00.519 --> 00:50:04.639
it's valid now to say I wish
there was some quality of life things that

758
00:50:04.639 --> 00:50:07.920
have been more modern, but for
its time, a lot of the things

759
00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:10.559
it was doing was quite innovative.
I mean, this might have been was

760
00:50:10.599 --> 00:50:13.880
this pre bread the Wilder it would
have been it was twenty seventeen, it

761
00:50:13.880 --> 00:50:15.239
would have been right around here.
So like, I mean, you know,

762
00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:17.199
when I think of marking a map, I mean I go right to

763
00:50:17.199 --> 00:50:20.119
Breadth the Wild But like hell,
I mean, Holly Night was doing it

764
00:50:20.239 --> 00:50:21.880
around the same time, so I
have to give a credit for that.

765
00:50:21.920 --> 00:50:23.280
And then I look at like how
much I love Prince of Persia, the

766
00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:29.119
one this year, and it does
things that are clearly inspired by Hollow Night.

767
00:50:29.199 --> 00:50:31.159
Like when I think, because I
love the Metroidvania genre, I can't

768
00:50:31.159 --> 00:50:35.519
think of a lot prior to Hollow
Night that let you do the thing this

769
00:50:35.559 --> 00:50:37.559
does where it's like you've got your
charm slots and you can kind of equip

770
00:50:37.599 --> 00:50:40.480
them based on like, okay,
I for this boss fight, I could

771
00:50:40.559 --> 00:50:44.920
use this stuff or like by default, I like ones that will like mark

772
00:50:44.960 --> 00:50:46.840
my exact spot on the map,
or it'll help me like collect currency even

773
00:50:46.880 --> 00:50:50.000
so I don't have to pick it
all up, So like it's fun having

774
00:50:50.079 --> 00:50:52.000
like the different kind of loadouts depending
on the situation, and like, I

775
00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:54.519
think want a pressure straight up?
Took that from Holiday, so did.

776
00:50:54.559 --> 00:50:58.239
I'm like the second like the first
or game was kind of before Hall of

777
00:50:58.320 --> 00:51:00.840
Night. Yep, the second or
games that's where and all of a sudden

778
00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:05.159
or was a lot more like Colin. Yeah, the charms or whatever and

779
00:51:05.199 --> 00:51:07.360
the slots, Like you remember how
valuable it was. It wasn't just that

780
00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:12.280
you were getting the the whatever they
are, the charms, but the idea

781
00:51:12.320 --> 00:51:15.039
that if you could get another slot, which would make you were able to

782
00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:19.280
have three charms instead of two gold
Like, yes, you know, it

783
00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:22.760
was more valuable to me than an
extra heart on my life, right,

784
00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:24.719
Yeah, the most valuable thing I
could find. Yeah, because I've got

785
00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:27.960
several terms now that are like it
takes up three slots. I'm like,

786
00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:30.159
well, this thing sounds great,
but I'm not going to like sacrifice two

787
00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:32.519
other terms for this. So it's
that is really cool. I like that

788
00:51:32.559 --> 00:51:39.360
a lot. Yeah, So I
am getting I don't know, I'm not

789
00:51:39.400 --> 00:51:44.119
getting like pissed off or super frustrated, but I am like finding myself a

790
00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:47.400
lot of times being Like one thing
I do miss that Prince of Persia introduced

791
00:51:47.440 --> 00:51:51.559
later on was that like very quick
like screenshot thing, because there's a lot

792
00:51:51.599 --> 00:51:52.880
of times where it's like when I'll
beat a boss and I don't know where

793
00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:55.320
to go next, and it's like, Okay, well, I know there's

794
00:51:55.639 --> 00:51:59.480
this spot, this spot, this
spot, and this spot, and I

795
00:51:59.519 --> 00:52:01.320
don't really remember what those are,
and like I don't really remember, like

796
00:52:01.360 --> 00:52:04.480
you know, maybe I need to
get better with my Matt markers because like,

797
00:52:04.480 --> 00:52:06.719
oh I put some red markers there, I put the blue marker there.

798
00:52:06.800 --> 00:52:08.199
I don't really remember what that place
is. And like, man,

799
00:52:08.199 --> 00:52:12.119
that Prince of Perga thing is so
great. One of the like one of

800
00:52:12.119 --> 00:52:15.360
the interesting things about holl of Night, and it's sometimes to its detriment,

801
00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:19.480
is that it is huge. It's
it's got to be the biggest metro venue

802
00:52:19.480 --> 00:52:22.920
I've ever played. That scale is
impressive, but it is like false victim

803
00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:27.480
more so in another metro venu sometimes
of where the hell do I actually go

804
00:52:27.639 --> 00:52:30.159
next, And like by the end
of the game, there are sometimes so

805
00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:32.639
many possible places you can go now. It so does the Metroid Venia thing

806
00:52:32.679 --> 00:52:37.119
where because you're looking for what to
do you're going to find other things and

807
00:52:37.159 --> 00:52:39.480
more upgrades that you weren't expecting anyway. So it still does feel good,

808
00:52:39.639 --> 00:52:44.039
but it can be an easy one
to get a little bit lost and confused.

809
00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:45.760
Then yeah, and I'm early enough
now to where it's like when I

810
00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:49.239
am getting abilities that a lot of
times they are like big, like I

811
00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:51.639
just got the dash and like now
it's like, oh shit, now I

812
00:52:51.679 --> 00:52:53.119
can clear all these gaps now with
the jump dash and all this stuff.

813
00:52:53.199 --> 00:52:58.039
And I'm also just moving around faster, so like it's getting less annoying,

814
00:52:58.119 --> 00:53:00.719
Like I don't think I got the
dash last time, you know, So

815
00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:01.519
I never got a point where it's
like, okay, I feel like moving

816
00:53:01.559 --> 00:53:07.000
around past where are you are you
in like the swampy area there's like a

817
00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:10.480
christ the lantern, and so now
I can go into like the mine area.

818
00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:15.599
That's cool. Yeah, So but
yeah, it's like I'll beat a

819
00:53:15.639 --> 00:53:16.559
thing and not like I don't know
who to talk to, you Like I'll

820
00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:20.320
go up with that main like dirt
mound or whatever the area up top,

821
00:53:20.360 --> 00:53:22.639
and I'll kind of talk to everyone, and like I don't have like a

822
00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:25.000
go to like oh this thing is
going to point me in the right direction.

823
00:53:25.079 --> 00:53:28.960
So I'm just kind of like doing
laps a lot, being like just

824
00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:30.079
checking spot. Oh right, that
thing, I don't even know what that

825
00:53:30.199 --> 00:53:36.599
is. The mantis area, the
mantis area, I don't know. You'll

826
00:53:36.639 --> 00:53:43.039
know because there's a lot of mantis. What is the plural mantis? Praying

827
00:53:43.440 --> 00:53:47.559
manti manti. I'm not a botanist, which I won't google it. I

828
00:53:47.559 --> 00:53:53.000
don't want you to do it.
I'm not mad anymore. You can google.

829
00:53:53.639 --> 00:54:01.800
I don't want to know. You've
been trained nice about Holidnight and stop

830
00:54:01.880 --> 00:54:06.639
doing bits and suddenly she's just a
lot colder and they say you can't fix

831
00:54:06.719 --> 00:54:14.480
men. I'm glad you're enjoying it. I hope you keep up with it

832
00:54:14.480 --> 00:54:16.280
because I think it's a game that
really does just keep getting better. There's

833
00:54:16.320 --> 00:54:21.360
so many amazing areas. The boss
fights. I think you've already done some

834
00:54:21.440 --> 00:54:23.519
fun ones, but they get really
interesting and they're awesome. Yeah, And

835
00:54:23.559 --> 00:54:27.920
you know that is kind of a
bit more that Soul's DNA, where you

836
00:54:27.960 --> 00:54:30.599
know, like the mechanics of it
are simple. It's just like really getting

837
00:54:30.599 --> 00:54:35.079
that timing down and kind of optimizing
when it's your turn to attack and getting

838
00:54:35.079 --> 00:54:37.760
it in there. You know when
it is your moment or knowing when your

839
00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:40.800
turn is to heal. And that's
the thing where it's like I think probably

840
00:54:40.840 --> 00:54:43.679
person i played this, I was
like, what the fuck? Why do

841
00:54:43.679 --> 00:54:45.400
I have to sit here and wait
to heal? But now that I've played

842
00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:47.760
enough of these games where it's like, no, there's a flask animation and

843
00:54:47.840 --> 00:54:51.159
Eldon ring, I've done this a
bunch, Now I know how this works,

844
00:54:51.280 --> 00:54:52.760
and like I'm getting like one of
the charms I'm using now is one

845
00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:57.400
that gives me like a shell when
I'm recharging, like when I'm getting hell

846
00:54:57.519 --> 00:55:00.119
and it's like one for a while. Yeah, yeah, yes, So

847
00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:01.480
it's like I don't know, like
a lot of these things that maybe just

848
00:55:01.519 --> 00:55:04.599
rubbed me the wrong way the first
time around. I'm like, oh no,

849
00:55:04.679 --> 00:55:07.079
okay, I've I've played games like
this. Now I get this now,

850
00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:09.280
and I'm just going in more open
mind. Yeah. And the combat

851
00:55:09.320 --> 00:55:14.760
is fantastic. It's really really good. Uh that's such a fast attack.

852
00:55:14.920 --> 00:55:19.320
Feel it's good. Would you feel
it connected? You know, it's awful

853
00:55:19.360 --> 00:55:23.639
in the way you can kind of
pogo with it. Yes, they did

854
00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:27.800
a good job with the combat style
and the way that you can use your

855
00:55:27.880 --> 00:55:30.920
charms to increase it. One of
my favorite charms is the nail extender.

856
00:55:30.960 --> 00:55:35.440
It gives you just a little bit
more length on the tip of your nail.

857
00:55:35.440 --> 00:55:37.920
It costs a lot, but my
god, it's so worth it to

858
00:55:37.960 --> 00:55:44.639
be at the shop. Oh it's
it's the number one for me. Once

859
00:55:44.719 --> 00:55:46.760
I had that bad Boy, I
never went back. You know, that

860
00:55:46.960 --> 00:55:52.000
was like my favorite, and I
do appreciate, like the the changing of

861
00:55:52.039 --> 00:55:54.519
the charms is so nice. The
ability to like have one where your heels

862
00:55:54.559 --> 00:55:58.880
are faster or they take less juice. I forget what that one's called,

863
00:55:58.920 --> 00:56:01.440
but like the less juice, Yeah, the less juice charm where you can

864
00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:05.960
like heal with very little mana or
whatever it's called. I honestly forget.

865
00:56:05.960 --> 00:56:07.199
I want to say it's soul.
It's been a really long time since I've

866
00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:09.039
played this game. No, I
kind of want to play again, but

867
00:56:09.079 --> 00:56:13.760
I keep like, no Silk song
will come out, and I know we're

868
00:56:13.880 --> 00:56:21.800
such fool you believe they didn't announce
anything about it. I can't around me

869
00:56:21.880 --> 00:56:29.920
now. It sure could a short
Yeah, God himself could show up on

870
00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:32.320
stage and you know, take a
huge deuce, But I don't think it

871
00:56:32.360 --> 00:56:37.159
will happen, And I don't think
that Hollow Night will ever appear or Silk

872
00:56:37.199 --> 00:56:39.760
Song. I'm like, I've I've
let it go, like I just don't

873
00:56:39.760 --> 00:56:43.039
know when it's going to appear.
It's so mess up to me. I

874
00:56:43.039 --> 00:56:45.760
played Silk Song at E three twenty
nineteen. Is that Nintendo's booth that was

875
00:56:45.800 --> 00:56:54.840
for heavy playable? I was playing
both three Pandemic three at E three.

876
00:56:53.840 --> 00:56:59.079
You look nobody respects what they're doing
the follow night more than me. It's

877
00:56:59.119 --> 00:57:01.119
it's still allowed to me that that's
the game that's like five years later,

878
00:57:01.199 --> 00:57:05.920
it's like, who knows when it's
coming out? Is that the new Is

879
00:57:05.960 --> 00:57:09.400
this the new Duke Nukem forever?
Chinese democracy of the game's world? This

880
00:57:09.559 --> 00:57:14.800
don't say that because there's no way. There's no way. I'm not saying

881
00:57:15.639 --> 00:57:17.679
MS being bad. I'm saying is
and like the one that is the most

882
00:57:17.719 --> 00:57:22.760
storied, it's the last, Yes, exactly, I'll do that because that

883
00:57:22.760 --> 00:57:24.280
came out to know, like everyone's
fine with it and it was beloved.

884
00:57:24.440 --> 00:57:30.320
Yeah. I think Silk Song has
the potential to be to to top the

885
00:57:30.360 --> 00:57:34.880
original. I really do. And
I think that the reason it's taking this

886
00:57:35.000 --> 00:57:39.320
Song is because the expectation of these
types of games has increased since the original

887
00:57:39.360 --> 00:57:44.039
game. I mean again, so
like the map and the way that you

888
00:57:44.079 --> 00:57:47.800
are able to navigate this space is
expectations have increased since the original game came

889
00:57:47.800 --> 00:57:52.559
out. I am looking for quality
of life that have improved since the original

890
00:57:52.599 --> 00:57:57.079
game, and like that's a lot
of pressure on that team. But maybe

891
00:57:57.079 --> 00:58:00.239
that's a big part of the reason
why it's been What's that, I don't

892
00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:06.559
know, it's a small, very
I mean the original game, like when

893
00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:07.599
I played it, all of the
updates had come out because it was a

894
00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:10.320
kickstarter thing, so by the time
I played it, it was like a

895
00:58:10.400 --> 00:58:13.360
very, very big game. But
I'm sure, like if you have gotten

896
00:58:13.400 --> 00:58:15.159
when it first came out, it's
kind of you know, a bit here,

897
00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:17.800
a bit there. And I think
now there is the pressure of it

898
00:58:17.800 --> 00:58:22.000
to come out and be huge right
away. They can't kind of piecemeal it

899
00:58:22.079 --> 00:58:24.039
like that. Again, Yeah,
such a good experience. I mean,

900
00:58:24.039 --> 00:58:30.559
I'm I'm really looking forward to Silk
Song and oh my god, like more

901
00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:32.119
than anything, like I will I'm
going to take a week off of work

902
00:58:32.119 --> 00:58:36.599
when they announced the release date,
Like that's this this experience for me,

903
00:58:36.719 --> 00:58:37.960
I am like this much of a
freak about it, and that's the thing

904
00:58:38.480 --> 00:58:39.920
went jokes like, oh, where
it's it going to be? And it

905
00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:44.320
like does suck to keep play anybody
like it's clearly going to happen, and

906
00:58:44.360 --> 00:58:45.800
when it happens, it's going to
be very exciting and I'm going to lose

907
00:58:45.800 --> 00:58:51.119
my mind and I'm going to lose
my fucking mind. And I do think

908
00:58:51.159 --> 00:58:53.960
it will be a phenomenal game like
one for the books, will get to

909
00:58:54.000 --> 00:58:59.280
be there from the beginning, and
so great if I'm playing this game for

910
00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:00.760
the next couple of months, so
you gets announced that the direct and it's

911
00:59:00.760 --> 00:59:04.519
coming out like this Fallen, It's
like I beat the person went and wait

912
00:59:04.639 --> 00:59:07.880
no time at all a whole another
one whoa the year for him? Yea,

913
00:59:08.960 --> 00:59:14.760
both are game of the year.
I'd allow it even if with all

914
00:59:14.840 --> 00:59:19.719
of our bad blood about this,
like it's such an important game, I

915
00:59:20.239 --> 00:59:23.440
wouldn't stop you for fighting for it, like I wouldn't wedn't we have best

916
00:59:23.440 --> 00:59:27.440
game we played this year that didn't
come out this year, So like Matred

917
00:59:27.519 --> 00:59:32.360
for You does not like succeed no
k FAE zone, I am taking that

918
00:59:32.400 --> 00:59:42.360
into account. I've waited my response. Accordingly, you considered it, and

919
00:59:42.480 --> 00:59:46.079
that's what you said. If best
isn't my favorite genre at least like one

920
00:59:46.119 --> 00:59:49.800
of my top three, and and
it is, you know, a mount

921
00:59:49.840 --> 00:59:54.079
rushmore for the genre for me,
like like Super Metroid. Yeah, and

922
00:59:54.119 --> 00:59:59.079
then like this and like maybe or
an Orry or something like that would be

923
00:59:59.079 --> 01:00:04.800
their Prince of Person was so good. I really use Prince of Persia as

924
01:00:04.840 --> 01:00:08.199
the bar now, like I expect
my Vanias to hit that bar. And

925
01:00:08.239 --> 01:00:13.239
actually, if we're okay with it, my game that I played this week

926
01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:15.440
is very much in line with what
we're talking about. Okay, one last

927
01:00:15.480 --> 01:00:20.519
quick question before that, Yes,
how do you feel both you about if

928
01:00:20.559 --> 01:00:23.719
I am stuck, should I give
myself permission to check? Oh? Look,

929
01:00:23.760 --> 01:00:27.400
it's such a I did it a
couple of times. It's a and

930
01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:30.320
I waited a bit like I did
my best, But it is such a

931
01:00:30.360 --> 01:00:31.760
big game that's sometimes just gonna have
to go and look, yeah, I'm

932
01:00:31.760 --> 01:00:35.199
doing my due diligence. I'm checking
and everything. But if I'm lost,

933
01:00:35.199 --> 01:00:37.039
like I shouldn't, you know,
it's fine to just take a guy,

934
01:00:37.400 --> 01:00:39.079
Oh, go go to this general
area over it, you know, like

935
01:00:39.159 --> 01:00:43.760
I used to spend sometimes three hours
dinking around in the game before I found

936
01:00:43.800 --> 01:00:45.400
it where I was going to go
next. That did not bother me.

937
01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:49.880
You are busy, Dan. I
do not expect you to spend three hours

938
01:00:49.880 --> 01:00:53.760
being like where do I get?
That sounds frustrating for you. I cannot

939
01:00:53.800 --> 01:00:57.039
tell you the hours I poured into
this game being like I don't know where

940
01:00:57.079 --> 01:00:59.239
to go? But like, look
how pretty this is. I did that

941
01:00:59.440 --> 01:01:01.679
a lot, so look it up. Like, don't get frustrated, It's

942
01:01:01.719 --> 01:01:07.000
not worth getting frustrated over. Okay, all right, was that a satisfactory

943
01:01:08.159 --> 01:01:10.599
I'm proud of you. Did I
do it? Yeah? I mean I

944
01:01:10.599 --> 01:01:17.000
didn't kill anybody, and I somehow
I came closer to death than Dan during

945
01:01:17.079 --> 01:01:21.519
that. That's all right, But
what a lesson you learned today? I'm

946
01:01:21.599 --> 01:01:22.480
learning. It's just good. It's
a good grow for me. Yes,

947
01:01:22.559 --> 01:01:25.039
thank you. And I got a
new game that I'm playing. I'm liking,

948
01:01:25.079 --> 01:01:30.599
so I think. I mean,
this is rewarding for me as much

949
01:01:30.599 --> 01:01:34.039
as it is for you. I
would love to bury that ship. If

950
01:01:34.079 --> 01:01:37.039
not in Minati's back, then in
the ground. Just move on. This

951
01:01:37.119 --> 01:01:42.960
is like Minatti finally seeing mcgruber and
laughing the whole time. Yes, that

952
01:01:43.079 --> 01:01:45.880
was like, no, that was
the layed gratification of like a week when

953
01:01:45.920 --> 01:01:47.360
you found out I had it and
watch it. This has been so it

954
01:01:50.320 --> 01:01:52.920
seven years of torture. I just
like it. I was losing sleep.

955
01:01:53.079 --> 01:02:01.480
Oh your logo, man, that
was definitely the one that killed me,

956
01:02:04.599 --> 01:02:07.760
even more than the sex scene.
More than more than the sex scene was

957
01:02:08.159 --> 01:02:14.400
the subtitle for that really good to
me. It's like there's some things that

958
01:02:14.480 --> 01:02:16.519
the bits were like meant to be
really funny, and there's other things that

959
01:02:16.559 --> 01:02:22.280
are really small jokes that are just
extremely well done. That is the beauty

960
01:02:22.320 --> 01:02:25.199
part of mcgroomer is that it has
the loudest, least subtle jokes ever the

961
01:02:25.239 --> 01:02:29.519
celery, the sex scene, the
you know, like sending her into the

962
01:02:29.559 --> 01:02:31.519
coffee shop type stuff. But then
it also like, upon you know,

963
01:02:31.639 --> 01:02:36.639
fifty viewings like I've done, you've
realized that, like there are so many

964
01:02:36.840 --> 01:02:39.199
subtle little jokes that are like,
oh my god, this is like way

965
01:02:39.320 --> 01:02:44.400
smarter than you would think on the
perst view. Yes, Like even in

966
01:02:44.440 --> 01:02:46.519
the first scene when he's like in
the village and he's like these children are

967
01:02:46.559 --> 01:02:50.280
basically like my own and they steal
his necklace and they're like, suck at

968
01:02:50.320 --> 01:02:57.519
mcgomer. This is my family.
So good. Oh I laughed a lot.

969
01:02:58.159 --> 01:03:01.400
All right, Mary, you had
a uh rewind you. You had

970
01:03:01.400 --> 01:03:06.239
a good segue. It was me
talking about all a night and metro Vanus

971
01:03:06.280 --> 01:03:10.199
of Okay, Mary, what are
you thinking about? I have a hand

972
01:03:10.320 --> 01:03:16.840
drawn two D action platformer that is
very Metroidvania, but it is inspired by

973
01:03:17.159 --> 01:03:25.480
Sekio Oh okay. It's called Nine
Souls spelled s O l s so different

974
01:03:25.480 --> 01:03:37.760
than you I know they was a
flash game. God, damn, you

975
01:03:37.840 --> 01:03:43.559
don't make me kill Manati. Don't
make her kill me? No, sorry,

976
01:03:43.559 --> 01:03:49.280
go ahead. This game is very
clearly inspired by a lot of beloved

977
01:03:49.360 --> 01:03:54.199
games, and it's you know before
it and uh it has really beautiful sequences

978
01:03:54.320 --> 01:04:01.440
of animation. But what's really cool
about it is the combat style is very

979
01:04:01.440 --> 01:04:06.599
aggressive. It's very difficult, and
it's all parry based. Second row very

980
01:04:06.800 --> 01:04:12.599
notorious that you couldn't possibly get through
the game without parrying. This game is

981
01:04:12.679 --> 01:04:16.519
very similar. Within its very first
five minutes, it is essentially saying you

982
01:04:16.599 --> 01:04:19.320
must parry to get through this game. This is not about hack and slashing

983
01:04:19.360 --> 01:04:23.400
your way through the game. You
must learn how to parry. When you

984
01:04:23.480 --> 01:04:27.480
do that, you get a talisman
that you can attach to the person and

985
01:04:27.519 --> 01:04:32.119
then it kind of explodes on them
that does more damage than your slash ever

986
01:04:32.239 --> 01:04:35.920
could I have no idea what kind
of character this is, but it's kind

987
01:04:35.920 --> 01:04:45.639
of a cute little animal. That's
where wearing a fun little cloak you are

988
01:04:45.719 --> 01:04:50.239
fighting giant, monstrous beasts. It
is brutal, and I will preface that

989
01:04:50.320 --> 01:04:54.320
it is violent. One of the
very first things that happens in like the

990
01:04:54.360 --> 01:04:57.639
first thirty minutes is pretty gory and
bloody, and I think it's meant to

991
01:04:57.679 --> 01:05:02.639
set the tone that this is not
a simple childlike experience. This is not

992
01:05:03.079 --> 01:05:09.239
uh uh, what's that one that's
a cute animal and nothing bad happens to

993
01:05:09.239 --> 01:05:15.679
anybody. Cult of the Cult of
the Lamb is pretty fine. I think

994
01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:19.079
you can sacrifice people or I think
is like kind of sweet and cut.

995
01:05:20.039 --> 01:05:24.920
There's no blood in or real life. I'm not going to give it away,

996
01:05:25.119 --> 01:05:28.039
but in the very beginning of Nine
Souls, it kind of sets the

997
01:05:28.079 --> 01:05:31.840
precedent that this is meant to be
a very dark and troubled world that you

998
01:05:31.920 --> 01:05:36.800
are in. Uh. The boss
fights are big and brutal and very fucking

999
01:05:36.840 --> 01:05:44.199
difficult. I found this game extraordinarily
challenging but also very rewarding, very uh

1000
01:05:44.559 --> 01:05:47.639
very much. In the vein of
Hollow Night, you have charms, they

1001
01:05:47.639 --> 01:05:53.880
have another name. This game is
very machine that the concept of it is

1002
01:05:53.920 --> 01:05:57.079
like you're in a machine taking down
the machine. You hack things, so

1003
01:05:58.440 --> 01:06:01.400
like, yeah, so instead of
charming there, you're like, you have

1004
01:06:01.440 --> 01:06:05.519
a certain amount of nodes that you
can activate, and it requires so much

1005
01:06:05.559 --> 01:06:09.480
power and you only have so much
power, so you're activating certain nodes.

1006
01:06:10.599 --> 01:06:15.079
I activated one that lets if I
stab someone in the back, I get

1007
01:06:15.159 --> 01:06:18.639
life steal by stabbing someone in the
back. That's super fun. I've really

1008
01:06:18.719 --> 01:06:24.199
enjoyed that. So I've really enjoyed
the world building. I have enjoyed the

1009
01:06:24.239 --> 01:06:27.400
combat very much. It is it
looks like it's going to be a massive

1010
01:06:27.400 --> 01:06:29.559
world. I don't think I've put
more than five hours into this, so

1011
01:06:29.639 --> 01:06:31.719
I haven't seen probably that. I
don't think I've scratched the surface of this

1012
01:06:31.760 --> 01:06:36.360
world. But it looks very big. I really like it, I really

1013
01:06:36.400 --> 01:06:40.079
really do. I think it's I
think it's well done, and especially for

1014
01:06:40.119 --> 01:06:42.840
Metrodvanea lovers, this is just like
another one in the bucket you have to

1015
01:06:42.840 --> 01:06:45.480
try. Yeah, it looks so
up my alley. I'm kind of shocked

1016
01:06:45.480 --> 01:06:48.519
I haven't heard of it. I
can. People are talking about it.

1017
01:06:48.519 --> 01:06:53.119
It's good, yeah man, And
it's funny because you know, the more

1018
01:06:53.239 --> 01:06:56.159
like this on Steam is just yeah, secro and then Holla night. So

1019
01:06:56.599 --> 01:06:59.199
you're right, that's exactly what it
looks like. But I mean, this

1020
01:06:59.360 --> 01:07:02.400
art is gorgeous. In my combat, Yeah, that kind of Perry based

1021
01:07:02.400 --> 01:07:06.639
combat sounds appealing. I definitely think
I need to try this one. It's

1022
01:07:06.639 --> 01:07:11.880
brutal. The negatives I will say, just with the time I've had with

1023
01:07:11.920 --> 01:07:15.519
it is that I have a couple
of times been in areas in my map

1024
01:07:15.519 --> 01:07:19.280
and not known where to go,
and you cannot take screenshots, nor put

1025
01:07:19.320 --> 01:07:25.320
stamps or write on your map.
So I will look and say very much

1026
01:07:25.360 --> 01:07:28.920
like animal, Well, I will
be like, where have I not been

1027
01:07:29.079 --> 01:07:31.760
on my map? That's probably where
I should go, And I'll re trace

1028
01:07:31.760 --> 01:07:35.360
a door that I can't get through
right because I don't have the right move

1029
01:07:35.440 --> 01:07:41.000
yet. That's frustrating to have that
happen more than a couple times in a

1030
01:07:41.000 --> 01:07:44.719
five hour playthrough. I accept it
as a you know as a part of

1031
01:07:44.760 --> 01:07:47.239
this series of game, but I
don't like it. The other thing I'll

1032
01:07:47.239 --> 01:07:55.920
say is that the perry based combat
system is a little cruel sometimes because the

1033
01:07:56.039 --> 01:08:00.000
main system of perrying, which gives
you a power to put a talisman on

1034
01:08:00.039 --> 01:08:05.000
someone which explodes that's your big damage
dealer, takes about a second. For

1035
01:08:05.119 --> 01:08:10.519
the talisman, you essentially kind of
pray a little bit and that it explodes.

1036
01:08:11.000 --> 01:08:15.719
If anything hits you in that second, the talisman is disrupted, there

1037
01:08:15.800 --> 01:08:19.479
is no explosion, You've lost your
power up and you took damage. If

1038
01:08:19.520 --> 01:08:25.520
there are more than two enemies,
you're kind of fucked. I found the

1039
01:08:25.680 --> 01:08:29.039
entire concept when they throw me in
a room with three enemies to be a

1040
01:08:29.079 --> 01:08:31.199
little rude. And maybe this is
like something I need to learn, or

1041
01:08:31.199 --> 01:08:35.079
maybe I'll get a power up that
eventually will help me navigate three enemies at

1042
01:08:35.079 --> 01:08:39.119
once. But it's like, how
am I supposed to pray for a second

1043
01:08:39.279 --> 01:08:42.840
or two when three enemies are fighting
me at the same time. I don't

1044
01:08:42.880 --> 01:08:47.119
have time to sit there and like
be you know, thinking for a second.

1045
01:08:47.159 --> 01:08:50.640
And I basically have found myself every
time I'm in a room with three

1046
01:08:50.720 --> 01:08:56.439
enemies, it takes me so many
lives and like retries to get it done,

1047
01:08:56.800 --> 01:09:00.399
and I often find like it's just
like luck that I'm fine, finally

1048
01:09:00.439 --> 01:09:02.720
able to get through multiple enemy rooms
where they like shove me in a locked

1049
01:09:02.760 --> 01:09:06.199
area with three enemies that's very difficult
to get through. Sounds like heavy on

1050
01:09:06.239 --> 01:09:10.720
the risk part of the risk reward
thing if like you know, it sounds

1051
01:09:10.800 --> 01:09:14.600
powerful, but like yeah, in
particular circumstances that sounds like that could be

1052
01:09:14.640 --> 01:09:15.920
helpful. That's the problem. I
haven't a lot of Soul's games like right,

1053
01:09:15.920 --> 01:09:18.800
it's like I got this figured.
It seems like it's always like a

1054
01:09:18.880 --> 01:09:23.520
combat system to sign for one on
one encounters and then games like fuck you

1055
01:09:23.560 --> 01:09:27.119
fight multiple people now and it's like, okay, that sounds hard and it

1056
01:09:27.159 --> 01:09:32.920
is. Yeah, the uh the
increase of difficulty went. The spike was

1057
01:09:33.600 --> 01:09:40.399
significant, and I can tell you
the exact moment it happened is when they

1058
01:09:40.520 --> 01:09:45.199
locked me in a space with three
enemies after I basically like opened I powered

1059
01:09:45.279 --> 01:09:47.000
up at like an elevator or some
shit, and they were like I hate

1060
01:09:47.000 --> 01:09:50.000
that, like some like person in
my ears, like I didn't like that,

1061
01:09:50.079 --> 01:09:54.199
you little bitch, and I'm going
to send so many waves of men

1062
01:09:54.239 --> 01:09:56.079
at you, and I was like, whatever, bring it on, and

1063
01:09:56.119 --> 01:09:59.000
they send six waves of men and
it took me ages to get through it,

1064
01:09:59.039 --> 01:10:00.359
and I was like, this guy
isn' kidding, Like, well,

1065
01:10:00.479 --> 01:10:04.239
how did I how did I get
here? Were these like these enemies are

1066
01:10:04.239 --> 01:10:06.720
all coming at me at the same
time. I'm not ready for this,

1067
01:10:06.840 --> 01:10:11.680
but anyway, it is difficult.
I will say it's not for everybody.

1068
01:10:11.720 --> 01:10:16.880
This is a very challenging experience and
it has a lot of world building plus

1069
01:10:16.960 --> 01:10:20.319
rules of the world. I was
reading more than I would have liked to

1070
01:10:20.479 --> 01:10:25.159
dan, and I needed to pay
attention. I would be like, all

1071
01:10:25.239 --> 01:10:28.079
right, I'm in the lower left
half of the map. If I die,

1072
01:10:28.560 --> 01:10:31.800
it'll give you like this little lotus
flower of like where you died getting

1073
01:10:31.840 --> 01:10:34.399
there again, good fucking luck.
You have to pay attention, you have

1074
01:10:34.439 --> 01:10:38.439
to think about like where you are
and like what you're doing, and you

1075
01:10:38.439 --> 01:10:41.600
have to focus when you play this
game. But I do think it's worth

1076
01:10:41.600 --> 01:10:45.520
it. I do recommend this game. I think it's a phenomenal uh you

1077
01:10:45.520 --> 01:10:54.039
know, homage to Second Row and
Hollow Night and other metroid Vania indie games

1078
01:10:54.439 --> 01:10:58.039
that have come before it. So
I think it's absolutely worth putting on your

1079
01:10:58.199 --> 01:11:02.359
list. It sounds like something that
like would be better, or there's uses

1080
01:11:02.359 --> 01:11:05.399
of the switch that would be good
for that, like when you you know,

1081
01:11:05.560 --> 01:11:09.920
not every game has the Prince of
Persia picture thing, but like the

1082
01:11:10.000 --> 01:11:13.279
switch you can do that immediately and
then like, I'm so snappy to get

1083
01:11:13.279 --> 01:11:15.720
back to your photo album and everything. Yeah, it's like I'm playing Hollow

1084
01:11:15.800 --> 01:11:17.880
Night on Steam in my steam deck
and like I'm trying to think of it,

1085
01:11:17.880 --> 01:11:21.520
like, surely there is a way
to screenshot on steam deck. There's

1086
01:11:21.560 --> 01:11:25.920
no way to make that conversation In
the last episode of fire Escape, IOG

1087
01:11:25.960 --> 01:11:29.760
it's like, just listen to what
game were I talking about. I don't

1088
01:11:29.800 --> 01:11:33.000
know, Animal, Well it's Animal. Well you're talking about how I can't

1089
01:11:33.000 --> 01:11:35.239
take a picture. Yeah, You're
like, I don't know how to do

1090
01:11:35.279 --> 01:11:39.279
it, and I think my heart
he was like, you put these two

1091
01:11:39.319 --> 01:11:42.039
buds, like it's not as easy, and you all kind of agreed.

1092
01:11:42.399 --> 01:11:45.279
Wow, But yeah, what's like
what we've talked about on this show.

1093
01:11:45.399 --> 01:11:49.079
Yes, it's funny because I'm usually
drinking during this show, so I don't

1094
01:11:49.079 --> 01:11:53.199
really remember all the things we talked
about. I'm like, yeah, I'm

1095
01:11:53.199 --> 01:11:57.159
like the fire escapist story, that's
great, looks so cold, sober,

1096
01:11:57.199 --> 01:11:59.800
like I do every BombCast and everything
sober, and I can't remember anything there.

1097
01:11:59.840 --> 01:12:02.600
So, uh man, Marty just
has a Minati has a functioning brain.

1098
01:12:03.560 --> 01:12:08.520
Matt Minati, Matt Minati, as
we like to call you. Yeah,

1099
01:12:08.560 --> 01:12:11.479
I can't Dan. It would never
call me by an incorrect first name.

1100
01:12:11.560 --> 01:12:14.119
That would be disrespectful, and I
respond you too much to do that,

1101
01:12:14.159 --> 01:12:16.880
so I appreciate that. Thank you. Yeah, all right, mitge,

1102
01:12:16.880 --> 01:12:21.000
what are you playing? Gosh?
You know what I played when I

1103
01:12:21.039 --> 01:12:24.520
got back home, because uh,
I don't you know. I'm not like

1104
01:12:24.560 --> 01:12:29.159
a big civilization person. But when
they announced Civilization seven, I was like,

1105
01:12:29.199 --> 01:12:30.399
Man, I like, si if
I want to kind of play SIEV

1106
01:12:30.479 --> 01:12:35.399
six again. It's been a while
and all of like the expansions and DLC

1107
01:12:35.600 --> 01:12:39.439
is super on sale right now because
they announced the new one. I think.

1108
01:12:39.479 --> 01:12:42.600
So I actually started up a new
game of SIEV six and that's been

1109
01:12:42.680 --> 01:12:46.399
real kind of cozy and comfy.
I like the vibes of that game.

1110
01:12:46.479 --> 01:12:51.600
It's turn based, but it's relatively
chill. You can play it as more

1111
01:12:51.640 --> 01:12:57.760
of like a wartime game. And
I never liked playing civilization that way,

1112
01:12:58.079 --> 01:13:00.479
and like you kind of have to
a little bit because you might have an

1113
01:13:00.520 --> 01:13:03.119
aggressive neighbor, so I have to
have defenses or sometimes they take one of

1114
01:13:03.159 --> 01:13:05.479
my sales, have to take it
back. And that's usually when I am

1115
01:13:05.520 --> 01:13:11.640
the least engaged, is moving military
units around on these tiles and trying to

1116
01:13:11.840 --> 01:13:14.800
you know, attack forts and all
that stuff. I almost prefer it like

1117
01:13:14.840 --> 01:13:18.119
this weird little city builder thing where
I'm like, how many world wonders can

1118
01:13:18.199 --> 01:13:21.239
I build? Like, oh,
I put the Eiffel Tower next to Machu

1119
01:13:21.279 --> 01:13:25.359
Peach. You isn't that so?
So I'm always going But that's the good

1120
01:13:25.359 --> 01:13:29.960
thing about Sif you have different wind
conditions, you can do a cultural victory

1121
01:13:30.079 --> 01:13:32.800
or a science victory. And that's
usually the route that I that I am

1122
01:13:32.840 --> 01:13:38.039
always going for there. But it's
because even back when they release this one,

1123
01:13:38.039 --> 01:13:40.439
I remember a lot of people didn't
like the art style because it is

1124
01:13:40.479 --> 01:13:44.079
a bit more colorful. It's almost
a little Pixar, like a big Surprise

1125
01:13:44.119 --> 01:13:47.000
from the Disney Adult I like the
way it looks quite a bit like like

1126
01:13:47.199 --> 01:13:50.199
you have Teddy Roosevelt and he kind
of just you know, he looks very

1127
01:13:50.279 --> 01:13:56.079
bumpastic and he's very animated and it
looks fantastic to me. I just love

1128
01:13:56.159 --> 01:13:59.479
watching the world leaders do their little
silly bits. Was that like the CIV

1129
01:13:59.520 --> 01:14:02.640
rev art styles that when that changed
over? CHIVD was a bit like that,

1130
01:14:02.680 --> 01:14:06.560
But then like after that was CIV
five and that was pretty realistic.

1131
01:14:06.600 --> 01:14:10.840
So I think that's why CIV six
threw every play for a loop. CIV

1132
01:14:10.880 --> 01:14:14.880
rev was actually the first one I
really got into. I think at that

1133
01:14:14.880 --> 01:14:16.800
point, like I played PC games, but not a lot of strategy games,

1134
01:14:16.800 --> 01:14:20.119
and Civilizations still seemed intimidating to me. So when they put it on

1135
01:14:20.159 --> 01:14:23.720
the three sixty and then Nintendo DS, I was like, Okay, now

1136
01:14:23.760 --> 01:14:26.439
I can I can get into this
and I can have a good time.

1137
01:14:26.479 --> 01:14:29.800
And that kind of taught me the
basics so that when CIV five came out,

1138
01:14:29.840 --> 01:14:31.960
it was I was ready to really
understand what was going on. And

1139
01:14:32.279 --> 01:14:35.159
this is a main thing. But
CIV pissed me off so much when I

1140
01:14:35.239 --> 01:14:39.279
was like in junior high because like
there were certain games we were like allowed

1141
01:14:39.359 --> 01:14:43.079
to play and like we're on like
the network computers at school and it's like

1142
01:14:43.079 --> 01:14:45.560
SimCity two thousand. It was like
that that was that I played the shit

1143
01:14:45.680 --> 01:14:49.359
out of and I love SimCity two
thousand. You know, like my classmates

1144
01:14:49.359 --> 01:14:51.800
like basically figured out how to put
Duke Nukem three D on there. So

1145
01:14:51.840 --> 01:14:55.279
I played that, but like it
was, we only had a handful of

1146
01:14:55.319 --> 01:14:58.199
games on there, and CIB two
I think was one of them. Now

1147
01:14:58.279 --> 01:15:00.399
it makes sense for that time frame, I think, yeah, yeah,

1148
01:15:00.399 --> 01:15:02.600
And I was like I tried to
play it so many times because it's like,

1149
01:15:02.800 --> 01:15:06.039
well, playing any video game is
better than going to school and learning

1150
01:15:06.079 --> 01:15:09.760
things, so like I would like
load it up, and I was so

1151
01:15:09.880 --> 01:15:13.159
pissed off at like why am I
not like I just want to command and

1152
01:15:13.199 --> 01:15:15.800
conquer? And I was like,
I'm just like I don't get to see

1153
01:15:15.800 --> 01:15:17.319
the units move. I'm not commanding
them in battle the way I am,

1154
01:15:17.319 --> 01:15:20.680
Like I can't make tanks go around
and like the whole like it was that

1155
01:15:20.760 --> 01:15:24.880
a hex grid or something like that. Back then, it was so squares

1156
01:15:25.239 --> 01:15:27.600
Okay, yeah, that drove me
nuts. It was like I felt like

1157
01:15:27.600 --> 01:15:30.079
they took all the like video game
parts out of the video game, and

1158
01:15:30.119 --> 01:15:31.720
so that was the one I just
refused to play back then and have never

1159
01:15:31.720 --> 01:15:35.199
played as since. Like I wonder
if well, I guess I tried a

1160
01:15:35.199 --> 01:15:38.640
couple of times and it didn't go
well. But like, do you think

1161
01:15:38.680 --> 01:15:42.159
now new open minded dan, do
you think do you think you know?

1162
01:15:42.920 --> 01:15:45.760
Again? Like SIF six is a
new probably access to it. But at

1163
01:15:45.760 --> 01:15:47.640
this point, let's all wait for
SIF seven. Huh. Let's all see

1164
01:15:47.680 --> 01:15:50.680
what they're gonna do with that.
Yeah, they announced that, so okay,

1165
01:15:53.439 --> 01:15:57.479
yeah, but it'll be fun.
It'll be very spiffy if nothing else,

1166
01:15:57.560 --> 01:16:00.359
right, and I like spiffy video
games. Yeah, although they also

1167
01:16:00.399 --> 01:16:03.680
announced a new on no at uh, this is where I probably need more.

1168
01:16:03.960 --> 01:16:06.960
But he probably the only person who
cares about ONO. I like the

1169
01:16:08.000 --> 01:16:13.000
on games though, So he's about
to discord in from France with a thirty

1170
01:16:13.039 --> 01:16:16.119
minute rant about AO. I like, I think most people at the Ubisoft

1171
01:16:16.119 --> 01:16:18.640
thing we were we were in Disneyland, Damn. We didn't pay attention to

1172
01:16:18.720 --> 01:16:21.279
ubies off mose. People were like
ubi Soft was bad, it was just

1173
01:16:21.319 --> 01:16:24.640
games we knew about. Then on
No I was like, well, it's

1174
01:16:24.680 --> 01:16:28.840
that about on showed up. It's
pretty cool. That's pretty cool. So

1175
01:16:29.520 --> 01:16:31.720
uh, I'm not like, I'm
really not a big strategy game kind of

1176
01:16:31.760 --> 01:16:35.119
guy, but I do like the
ones that are a bit more like like

1177
01:16:35.239 --> 01:16:39.239
not just a pure city builder,
Like I don't want to play some city

1178
01:16:39.399 --> 01:16:42.199
or cities Excel or something like that, Like there's got to be a little

1179
01:16:42.199 --> 01:16:46.000
bit more going on there, but
so something like a civilization or an on

1180
01:16:46.239 --> 01:16:49.239
o or I was playing Tropico six
for the first time ever, right,

1181
01:16:49.319 --> 01:16:53.279
something like that is kind of fun
for me, with the dictators, with

1182
01:16:53.319 --> 01:16:57.600
the dictators body a lot of myself
and them the biggest cigars. I always

1183
01:16:57.600 --> 01:17:00.279
liked the box star of those games. Yeah, they make them look so

1184
01:17:00.399 --> 01:17:04.800
cute, those little friendly Mussolini's hanging
out their little smiles. It's my favorite

1185
01:17:04.880 --> 01:17:17.760
breakfast Cereal is friendly Mussolini's friendly MUSSOLINII. I never played a Total Warhammer though

1186
01:17:17.760 --> 01:17:20.239
I'm not a freak. Okay,
good good, we got normal people here.

1187
01:17:20.319 --> 01:17:25.479
Absolutely not Mary or you played,
Uh, you played the Laurele Laurele.

1188
01:17:26.279 --> 01:17:29.920
I did I. I mean,
we've already talked about it, so

1189
01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:32.840
I really won't dwell on it.
I just want to say that I also

1190
01:17:32.880 --> 01:17:38.560
played the Laurel and the Laser Eye. I think it's also too smart for

1191
01:17:38.640 --> 01:17:42.560
me. I had my gamer notebook. I have a bunch of notes I

1192
01:17:42.600 --> 01:17:45.920
took photos on my phone of my
Steam deck. I did a lot.

1193
01:17:46.000 --> 01:17:49.840
I think the puzzles are fun and
usually things that you can solve within the

1194
01:17:49.920 --> 01:17:54.319
room using your noodle. I like
that when it's like, oh, I

1195
01:17:54.359 --> 01:17:58.760
think I understand that this poster is
telling me that I have to re order

1196
01:17:59.319 --> 01:18:01.880
the words. I have the words
somewhere in my notebook. I just have

1197
01:18:01.960 --> 01:18:05.399
to find them and move them around
in the order they wanted. I think

1198
01:18:05.439 --> 01:18:12.119
that's enjoyable. I liked that.
At some point a ghost started chasing me

1199
01:18:12.239 --> 01:18:18.119
around, and I was like,
there's too much puzz juice going around in

1200
01:18:18.159 --> 01:18:24.079
this game for you to also introduce
death, Like, oh, I didn't

1201
01:18:24.079 --> 01:18:27.399
get that far. Wow, heavy, heavy thinking, you know where.

1202
01:18:27.399 --> 01:18:30.319
I was like, I gotta get
through this puzzle when you're being chased by

1203
01:18:30.319 --> 01:18:34.199
a ghost. I don't have I
don't have the capacity to worry about that

1204
01:18:34.279 --> 01:18:40.600
when I have so many puzzles indoors
to unlock. I found it too stressful.

1205
01:18:41.319 --> 01:18:44.079
I want to say, I put
seven eight hours into it and I

1206
01:18:44.159 --> 01:18:46.159
quit. I do like it.
I think it's just for smarter people.

1207
01:18:46.479 --> 01:18:49.199
Yeah, okay, I did like
three or four, so you got furder

1208
01:18:49.239 --> 01:18:53.079
than me, and uh yeah,
I kind of bowed out at a certain

1209
01:18:53.079 --> 01:18:55.960
point with for the same reasons,
like nothing but respect for that game.

1210
01:18:56.079 --> 01:18:59.600
It is clearly very very smart and
cool with what it's doing. Love the

1211
01:18:59.640 --> 01:19:03.640
style it, but it's a lot
lot. Yeah, I just don't know

1212
01:19:03.640 --> 01:19:05.800
if I'm going to dive in.
I liked I kind of like the look

1213
01:19:05.840 --> 01:19:09.600
of it. I'm a freak,
and I became interested when I realized tank

1214
01:19:09.600 --> 01:19:14.319
controls were involved. But like games
that are just like only the puzzles like

1215
01:19:14.359 --> 01:19:17.000
that can only do so much.
But I wasn't like a big overriden guy.

1216
01:19:17.000 --> 01:19:20.399
I played it, and I did
like it, but I don't know

1217
01:19:20.560 --> 01:19:23.640
this week. Because I like games
like that of a certain kind. Like

1218
01:19:23.640 --> 01:19:27.880
I'm a big fan of like old
school nineties point click Adventures Layton, I

1219
01:19:27.960 --> 01:19:30.359
like Professor Layton, I like Phoenix
Reder, I like I'm a big like

1220
01:19:30.439 --> 01:19:33.880
Monkey Island Guy, Day of the
Tentacle, Grim Fin Dango. I have

1221
01:19:34.000 --> 01:19:39.560
a I've had a hankering to play
some Misted games in that Riven remakes coming

1222
01:19:39.560 --> 01:19:42.279
out soon. I think I might
do a whole Mist playthrough. Yeah,

1223
01:19:42.319 --> 01:19:45.239
that's the good stuff, but I
don't know something about Loralai. I feel

1224
01:19:45.239 --> 01:19:47.520
like I would get frustrated. Maybe
I should give it a shot though.

1225
01:19:47.800 --> 01:19:50.279
Okay, well, let me tell
you on this then. And first,

1226
01:19:50.560 --> 01:19:54.960
Mary, I have to check because
I cannot remember this. Did did you

1227
01:19:55.000 --> 01:19:58.319
tell me last time to play a
case the Golden Nidol? Yeah? It

1228
01:19:58.359 --> 01:20:00.000
was me, Okay, okay,
okay, yes, because there had to

1229
01:20:00.000 --> 01:20:02.000
be a reason I'm playing it.
And I was like, I think Mary

1230
01:20:02.039 --> 01:20:04.840
told me. I know, Grub
talked about it a lot during the Game

1231
01:20:04.880 --> 01:20:08.239
of the Year with Giant Bond last
year. So now it's like, okay,

1232
01:20:08.279 --> 01:20:10.159
Mary told me about this, Grub, I loved it, and so

1233
01:20:10.239 --> 01:20:15.520
I gave it a shot. And
was that I said, you're a good

1234
01:20:15.560 --> 01:20:17.920
friend. Oh okay, let me
write that time stamp okay so much?

1235
01:20:18.760 --> 01:20:21.399
Yeah, No, I didn't need
a timestamp for that, believe it.

1236
01:20:21.439 --> 01:20:28.640
I didn't say that you've changed podcast
culture for the worst forever. Wow.

1237
01:20:28.920 --> 01:20:33.319
Well, I thought you're gonna say
best Okay, So okay, okay's the

1238
01:20:33.319 --> 01:20:36.399
Golden Idol. I feel like Mike, you were just saying, Obra Den,

1239
01:20:36.800 --> 01:20:40.279
you didn't really jump into all the
way. I liked it, but

1240
01:20:40.520 --> 01:20:42.479
like so many people I know played
it, was like, this is one

1241
01:20:42.479 --> 01:20:45.479
of the best games ever and I
was like, it was okay, I

1242
01:20:45.479 --> 01:20:47.880
guess I feel like I was stumbling
into solutions a lot more than like I

1243
01:20:47.920 --> 01:20:51.399
was brute forcing it a lot,
which made me feel dumb. So yes,

1244
01:20:51.479 --> 01:20:57.680
I would put okay, so Obra
Din and Loralai to me kind of

1245
01:20:57.720 --> 01:21:00.600
occupies some similar mental space. I
think ober Den is a little more elegant

1246
01:21:00.640 --> 01:21:03.159
and how you can like get to
these solutions and things like that, But

1247
01:21:03.239 --> 01:21:06.520
it still was like a little much, and I did stumble into things a

1248
01:21:06.520 --> 01:21:11.520
little more than I actually like sust
them out myself. Case the Goldennidol,

1249
01:21:12.000 --> 01:21:16.560
I think is exactly the right amount
of like I am fucking having to think

1250
01:21:16.720 --> 01:21:20.479
hard about all these things like I
was doing tonight. I did the final

1251
01:21:20.560 --> 01:21:26.520
level, and it was ours on
the final level of just like numerous different

1252
01:21:26.600 --> 01:21:30.399
giant note documents up about like Okay, here's my theory document, and here's

1253
01:21:30.439 --> 01:21:34.600
my timeline document, and here's my
like the different locations and what happened there

1254
01:21:34.600 --> 01:21:38.199
and what order documents. I'm just
kind of like pouring over it and reading

1255
01:21:38.439 --> 01:21:40.520
letters time and time again. For
those who don't know what it is,

1256
01:21:40.560 --> 01:21:44.600
basically, it's like it's like twelve
levels basically, and each one has the

1257
01:21:44.600 --> 01:21:46.359
thing where it's like it's usually a
dude's dead, and then here's some other

1258
01:21:46.399 --> 01:21:50.960
people, and then here's some drawers
and notes and clues and weapons and things,

1259
01:21:51.079 --> 01:21:56.000
and you're just kind of clicking things, and there's like an exploring and

1260
01:21:56.079 --> 01:22:00.119
like a thinking tab, and exploring
is looking at the stuff. Thinking is

1261
01:22:00.199 --> 01:22:03.000
like filling in the blanks on like
Okay, this person killed this person with

1262
01:22:03.039 --> 01:22:08.239
this, and then this thing happened. So it's very much a logic puzzle.

1263
01:22:09.039 --> 01:22:13.159
It is I think the exact right
amount of that and the exact right

1264
01:22:13.159 --> 01:22:16.760
amount of difficulty that said I did. By the end, I really really

1265
01:22:16.760 --> 01:22:20.640
wanted to beat that last level without
looking up anything at all. Like they

1266
01:22:20.640 --> 01:22:24.840
have a hint system in game,
and it's it's very adamant that when you

1267
01:22:24.880 --> 01:22:27.880
click it, it's like, hey, you should probably just take some time

1268
01:22:28.359 --> 01:22:30.560
just think about it. It's all
there, you know, but if you

1269
01:22:30.600 --> 01:22:33.119
want to, and then you have
to like solve like basically busy work puzzle

1270
01:22:33.239 --> 01:22:35.159
just to get the hint. And
so I was trying not to do that

1271
01:22:35.279 --> 01:22:39.359
much. But the last puzzle was
like insane, and there were a couple

1272
01:22:39.319 --> 01:22:41.279
of things that I just did not
I was like, oh fuck, I

1273
01:22:41.279 --> 01:22:44.720
didn't even like that wasn't even on
my radar, so yeah, what was

1274
01:22:44.720 --> 01:22:47.000
it my Oh no, no,
I was just I was just you know,

1275
01:22:47.159 --> 01:22:50.520
thinking like, yeah, I've heard
other people say similar things about how

1276
01:22:50.560 --> 01:22:55.239
amazing it is, and I feel
bad I haven't tried it to this point.

1277
01:22:56.600 --> 01:22:59.159
It every time I like, Okay, I'm gonna do it. I

1278
01:22:59.199 --> 01:23:01.399
look at just the steep page kind
of it's kind of an ugly game.

1279
01:23:01.560 --> 01:23:04.920
I'm just gonna say it really screenshots, doesn't it look kind of I don't

1280
01:23:05.000 --> 01:23:09.319
like it. It's like weird art
that I'm into, Like I actually think

1281
01:23:09.359 --> 01:23:11.880
that's on the stronger points. I
think if I'm actually playing it, like

1282
01:23:11.960 --> 01:23:15.319
I will like that vibe and I'll
be into it. But just like when

1283
01:23:15.319 --> 01:23:17.039
I look at like the steam page
screen shot, like I usually i'm like

1284
01:23:17.079 --> 01:23:24.680
all about like weird pixel art thing. It's like Oregone Trail pixel art in

1285
01:23:24.760 --> 01:23:28.239
this weird kind of way, which
again I feel like I should be into.

1286
01:23:28.399 --> 01:23:32.000
But it's like it's it looks like
intentionally gross and again intentional ways,

1287
01:23:32.079 --> 01:23:34.720
but uh, I don't know why. That's the one thing that's like keeping

1288
01:23:34.760 --> 01:23:39.800
me from fully diving in. Yeah, that didn't really bother me. I

1289
01:23:40.039 --> 01:23:43.199
actually just I really did like the
look of it. I don't know,

1290
01:23:43.479 --> 01:23:45.840
Mary, were you into that?
Yeah, I think the look of it's

1291
01:23:45.960 --> 01:23:48.840
really cool, and I think it's
the reason I recommended it in the first

1292
01:23:48.880 --> 01:23:54.520
place. Tell me more about the
puzz Is it like too hard or is

1293
01:23:54.520 --> 01:23:57.520
it the right amount for you?
I think it was the right amount.

1294
01:23:57.560 --> 01:23:59.720
I think it's like there were so
many things where it was like I would

1295
01:23:59.720 --> 01:24:02.319
just be barking up the wrong tree
entirely, and then it's like, you

1296
01:24:02.359 --> 01:24:05.119
know, I don't know how many
times I would fill in like seventy five

1297
01:24:05.159 --> 01:24:09.079
percent of this solution and then I
would just like throw it all in the

1298
01:24:09.079 --> 01:24:10.720
trash. Me let's start over.
And it's like, oh, I was

1299
01:24:10.800 --> 01:24:14.000
thinking totally the wrong way. I
was focusing on this thing that happened in

1300
01:24:14.000 --> 01:24:16.159
this room. I should be focusing
more on what's happening over here. Or

1301
01:24:16.199 --> 01:24:19.399
then you find that one item like
oh shit, I didn't realize this thing

1302
01:24:19.479 --> 01:24:23.399
was missing off this guy's clothes,
or this weapon was here, or this

1303
01:24:23.439 --> 01:24:28.479
thing was missing from the wall,
and like that just recalibrates everything. And

1304
01:24:28.840 --> 01:24:31.840
I loved every time I just threw
everything I thought into the trash and like

1305
01:24:31.960 --> 01:24:36.000
re examined everything from scratch, like, and it's got just kind of a

1306
01:24:36.039 --> 01:24:39.800
cool lure to it. And it's
almost like kind of rends me like weird

1307
01:24:39.880 --> 01:24:45.000
John Wick like underground society type stuff
where just this weird uh just kind of

1308
01:24:45.319 --> 01:24:49.680
yeah, underground society of weirdos trying
to like control like this election and stuff.

1309
01:24:49.720 --> 01:24:54.960
And it's set and like it's kind
of like a medieval type land or

1310
01:24:55.000 --> 01:24:57.720
whatever what. By the way,
I don't know if it's medieval land.

1311
01:24:57.720 --> 01:25:00.359
I think it's probably said in like
the real world, but I didn't know

1312
01:25:00.399 --> 01:25:02.319
a new one. Yeah, there
were swords. I don't know it's medieval,

1313
01:25:02.560 --> 01:25:08.119
but that's that's If there's a sword, it's medieval. I didn't realize

1314
01:25:08.119 --> 01:25:10.359
there's a sequel coming out, so, like, as I was getting really

1315
01:25:10.359 --> 01:25:12.960
into this, I got super excited
when I saw, Wait, what's Rise

1316
01:25:13.000 --> 01:25:15.640
of the Golden Tidol. I go
to the same page it's coming out this

1317
01:25:15.720 --> 01:25:18.159
year, and it's like seventies detective
story. Shit. I'm like, oh

1318
01:25:18.199 --> 01:25:21.239
my god, that's gonna be like
way more up my alley, I think.

1319
01:25:21.239 --> 01:25:25.600
So I'm super excited about that.
I think I might honestly like parties

1320
01:25:25.640 --> 01:25:27.640
like, oh I should try this. I almost want to wait for a

1321
01:25:27.720 --> 01:25:30.800
rides. So I'm a big Columbo
fan, right, and that is super

1322
01:25:30.319 --> 01:25:34.880
seventies detective stuff that is maybe a
bit more my vibe. I think I

1323
01:25:34.920 --> 01:25:38.960
could just kind of gel with that
a bit easier. I can see that.

1324
01:25:39.159 --> 01:25:42.359
Yeah, Like, despite not being
into like the kind of fantasy medieval

1325
01:25:42.399 --> 01:25:46.079
stuff or whatever. Swords, you
know, there's some that genre of sword,

1326
01:25:46.239 --> 01:25:49.560
the sword genre, the D and
D genre, there were some that

1327
01:25:49.600 --> 01:25:53.520
have like really cool settings where it's
like one of the later ones is like

1328
01:25:53.560 --> 01:25:58.119
it's in this tribunal or this like
kind of court situation where like the society

1329
01:25:58.199 --> 01:26:00.479
is taken over and they have these
new rules of like okay to figure out

1330
01:26:00.520 --> 01:26:05.319
what this society's like virtues are and
what things are illegal, and like there's

1331
01:26:05.359 --> 01:26:10.319
a merit system where it's like you
are you get demerits based on like oh

1332
01:26:10.359 --> 01:26:14.119
I had this like a piece of
vulgar art, or I wore this really

1333
01:26:14.199 --> 01:26:16.680
crazy you know wig or something like
that. And so you're going through everyone's

1334
01:26:16.720 --> 01:26:20.520
dossier's and seeing what they were accused
of and you have to fill out like

1335
01:26:21.159 --> 01:26:25.680
exactly how many points they were demerited
like things like that, like just weird.

1336
01:26:25.880 --> 01:26:29.680
There's math involved and just a lot
of just like looking through like leafing

1337
01:26:29.720 --> 01:26:33.920
through paperwork and stuff, and goddamn
it was As someone who's always loved like

1338
01:26:33.920 --> 01:26:38.239
a good logic puzzle, I feel
like this was presented in a way that

1339
01:26:38.319 --> 01:26:43.600
I found better to play as a
video game than like Oberden. M I

1340
01:26:43.840 --> 01:26:48.560
really was one of the weird people
that did not get into Oberden. It

1341
01:26:48.640 --> 01:26:53.359
was too far for me, and
I also don't like it was like something

1342
01:26:53.399 --> 01:26:58.760
about being like, what what race
is this person? Right, also was

1343
01:26:58.800 --> 01:27:01.840
a little uncomfortable something right about it. I don't want to have a book

1344
01:27:01.920 --> 01:27:10.079
like assuming things all these like very
specific nuances of people. So I want

1345
01:27:10.079 --> 01:27:14.119
the puzzles to be expansive enough where
I'm like exhausted, my brain is exhausted

1346
01:27:14.159 --> 01:27:16.560
by this one type of puzzle.
The game gives me a completely different type

1347
01:27:16.560 --> 01:27:20.319
of puzzle that exercises something else in
my brain and does let me feel smart,

1348
01:27:20.359 --> 01:27:23.680
and then I can come back to
the other one. Obra Din was

1349
01:27:23.720 --> 01:27:28.840
the same puzzle again and again and
again, so I just got tired of

1350
01:27:28.880 --> 01:27:31.960
it. I love the idea of
a game that kind of mixes it up

1351
01:27:32.000 --> 01:27:35.359
a little bit and lets you try
different forms of like what a puzzle is.

1352
01:27:35.399 --> 01:27:38.720
Some are math, some are not
math, thank you very much.

1353
01:27:39.720 --> 01:27:41.960
Yeah, this does a good job
of like mixing it up. Like some

1354
01:27:42.039 --> 01:27:45.520
stuff is like the actual Golden Idol
itself can do like basically like magic,

1355
01:27:45.560 --> 01:27:48.399
but you have to figure out like
there's ruins on the back and you have

1356
01:27:48.479 --> 01:27:51.279
to decipher like, okay, so
this is like increase, this is decrease,

1357
01:27:51.560 --> 01:27:55.640
this is matter, this is heat, this is and then you can

1358
01:27:55.760 --> 01:27:59.079
like like there's a lot of puzzles
involving the Golden Idol, but then there's

1359
01:27:59.119 --> 01:28:00.760
a lot of just like mystery stuff, and then you've also got like the

1360
01:28:00.800 --> 01:28:03.359
math stuff. So like I did
feel like, you know, it has

1361
01:28:03.399 --> 01:28:09.119
a pretty condensed you know, it's
it's like here's twelve levels, and each

1362
01:28:09.119 --> 01:28:13.199
one of them feels pretty different from
each other. So I really really loved

1363
01:28:13.239 --> 01:28:15.239
it. I burned through it really
fast, like basically over the last week.

1364
01:28:15.279 --> 01:28:18.760
I beat the game. Yeah,
I really really love it. I'm

1365
01:28:18.800 --> 01:28:21.479
super impable. How long do you
think it is? Ten hours? Maybe?

1366
01:28:21.640 --> 01:28:25.279
Okay, that's what the same thing
said. And of course disclaimer that

1367
01:28:25.359 --> 01:28:28.640
could have been on a menu or
but dinking around for half of it,

1368
01:28:28.720 --> 01:28:30.520
but I think that's a good length
of time for a puzzler as well.

1369
01:28:30.600 --> 01:28:35.159
I, if I could be so
bold, I also played a moderate puzzler

1370
01:28:35.560 --> 01:28:42.279
that wasn't too long, which I
appreciated. I was encouraged to play this

1371
01:28:42.359 --> 01:28:45.800
game from Lucy who tweeted about this
game, and then when I googled it,

1372
01:28:45.920 --> 01:28:49.439
I googled duck Detective because I thought
it was a really good name.

1373
01:28:49.560 --> 01:28:54.840
That makes sense. That's not the
name of this game. It's Duck Detective

1374
01:28:55.359 --> 01:28:59.880
the Secret Salami. That is a
good name and a good subtitle. Google

1375
01:29:00.079 --> 01:29:01.479
That like reminds me of like that. It seems like it should have been

1376
01:29:01.479 --> 01:29:04.840
like one of those like Putt Putt
or Pajama sam games with a name like

1377
01:29:04.880 --> 01:29:09.359
that, right, seems like one
of those things where they were like,

1378
01:29:09.560 --> 01:29:14.399
we can't just have it be duck
Detective. It needs to have a bunch

1379
01:29:14.439 --> 01:29:16.439
of stuff so that there's no way
that anyone can copy us. It has

1380
01:29:16.520 --> 01:29:21.000
to be very iconic and have its
own trademark. So Duck Detective the Secret

1381
01:29:21.039 --> 01:29:27.680
Salami. You are a duck detective
in an animal world. Anybody can be

1382
01:29:27.720 --> 01:29:31.399
different varieties of animals. There's strafes
there's bears, there's alligators, and you

1383
01:29:31.439 --> 01:29:39.079
are going to an office to investigate
a salami bandit. Somebody is stealing lunches,

1384
01:29:39.319 --> 01:29:45.560
there's like salamis going missing, and
there's chaos, and you are the

1385
01:29:45.600 --> 01:29:47.840
detective. You are the person that
is talking to people, writing down things

1386
01:29:47.840 --> 01:29:55.720
in your handy dandy notebook, and
you solve the case. I was okay

1387
01:29:56.039 --> 01:29:59.039
on this game. I think there
were some things I really liked. It's

1388
01:29:59.119 --> 01:30:03.680
very cheeky and cute. It has
funny, quirky humor in it that reminds

1389
01:30:03.720 --> 01:30:13.840
me of what's that other detective game? But you're detective from No be serious.

1390
01:30:13.920 --> 01:30:18.840
You're a frog, but you're also
a detective crime I can't think of

1391
01:30:18.840 --> 01:30:26.159
it. Yeah, So it's similar
where you're like cheeky humor, right,

1392
01:30:26.199 --> 01:30:30.479
and there's little jokes in all of
the writing, which I think is adorable

1393
01:30:30.560 --> 01:30:34.199
and I like it very much.
This one, you don't even you solve

1394
01:30:34.319 --> 01:30:39.680
even like the character's name. So
you'll meet someone and they'll say, sorry,

1395
01:30:39.760 --> 01:30:42.640
I'm just like a little angry right
now, and you'll look at them

1396
01:30:42.760 --> 01:30:45.680
with your magnifying glass and you'll recognize
that their eyes are red, and she'll

1397
01:30:45.720 --> 01:30:47.600
be like, oh, this person
has been crying, they're having a bad

1398
01:30:47.720 --> 01:30:51.439
day, and you'll look at other
things on them, Oh they're tired,

1399
01:30:51.680 --> 01:30:57.199
or they it is and then and
then so you'll you'll read stuff on the

1400
01:30:57.199 --> 01:31:02.159
walls and it'll say something like the
calendar will say, oh, it's Jackie's

1401
01:31:02.199 --> 01:31:05.039
birthday, and you'll check and you'll
say, oh, gosh, you're what

1402
01:31:05.199 --> 01:31:09.079
it's today, And so you'll be
like, it's somebody's birthday. This person

1403
01:31:09.159 --> 01:31:15.079
has been crying. Maybe it's Jackie
and we forgot their birthday. As you

1404
01:31:15.159 --> 01:31:19.159
start piecing together the clues of the
things that you found, but your notebook

1405
01:31:19.199 --> 01:31:24.600
will literally have people's names and no
sorry, it'll have faces and no name,

1406
01:31:24.720 --> 01:31:29.319
and you have to solve it's their
name, this is what they're upset

1407
01:31:29.319 --> 01:31:30.800
about, this is what their day
is like, this is their job,

1408
01:31:30.920 --> 01:31:34.319
and you have to do that for
every person in this office. So it

1409
01:31:34.319 --> 01:31:39.520
gets very specific with the things you
need to know and what you need to

1410
01:31:39.560 --> 01:31:42.960
do. By the end of this
game, I kid you not, it

1411
01:31:43.000 --> 01:31:47.000
will give you a sheet that says
blank is feeling blank because blank tried to

1412
01:31:47.000 --> 01:31:51.720
blank the other blank. But blank
is blank, and that means that blank

1413
01:31:53.039 --> 01:31:56.840
and you have to put all of
the words in these blanks. Now you're

1414
01:31:56.880 --> 01:31:59.840
not typing these words. I want
to preface that what happens is during your

1415
01:32:00.000 --> 01:32:03.359
destigation with your handy dandy magnifying glass, you will highlight words as a part

1416
01:32:03.399 --> 01:32:08.199
of your investigation, and then those
words will be in the drop down of

1417
01:32:08.239 --> 01:32:12.319
those bubbles. So when it says
blank is feeling blank, ye, all

1418
01:32:12.359 --> 01:32:15.039
of the feelings will be options that
you've uncovered. However, there canna be

1419
01:32:15.079 --> 01:32:19.880
like eight options, and if there's
twelve blanks, it's pretty funny when you're

1420
01:32:19.920 --> 01:32:23.800
like trying to piece it together and
the game is like do you need help,

1421
01:32:23.840 --> 01:32:26.600
and it's like, bitch, I
got it. There's like none of

1422
01:32:26.600 --> 01:32:29.800
my blanks are right. But whatever
you are just describing like that, that

1423
01:32:29.920 --> 01:32:33.880
is exactly like a golden idol where
it's like you're just reading diaries and there

1424
01:32:33.920 --> 01:32:36.760
are words that are like I know
that because I recommended that to you.

1425
01:32:38.319 --> 01:32:40.600
Wait, wait do you recommend it
or head? Have you not played it?

1426
01:32:41.479 --> 01:32:45.279
I have not played it. Okay, i's gotta say wait a minute,

1427
01:32:45.319 --> 01:32:48.680
because you're describing like exactly the same
gameplay thing. But yeah, it's

1428
01:32:48.680 --> 01:32:50.560
just a bunch of blanks, and
it's like you're not typing it in.

1429
01:32:50.640 --> 01:32:54.840
It's words that you find on like
diaries and things like that, and so

1430
01:32:54.920 --> 01:32:58.479
like, this really does sound like
a tonally very different version of like what

1431
01:32:58.520 --> 01:33:00.760
I was doing with Golden Nidol.
Very interesting. I mean, what I

1432
01:33:00.840 --> 01:33:04.000
will say is like, I think
this game is for a very specific type

1433
01:33:04.000 --> 01:33:09.000
of puzzler person who likes to uncover
lots of words and then be like,

1434
01:33:09.239 --> 01:33:13.279
what is the solution based on all
of the evidence that I have in front

1435
01:33:13.319 --> 01:33:15.560
of me. I don't care for
that type of puzzle game. I don't

1436
01:33:15.560 --> 01:33:18.119
think that it's for me, But
I don't think it's a bad game,

1437
01:33:18.479 --> 01:33:20.920
and I want to set the record
straight. I think this is a very

1438
01:33:20.920 --> 01:33:26.119
well done game that is for a
certain type of person that likes looking at

1439
01:33:26.520 --> 01:33:30.920
a book full of clues and solving
the case. I like Professor Layton Puzzles,

1440
01:33:30.960 --> 01:33:34.239
which is like I gotta get this
glass of water to halfway full,

1441
01:33:34.319 --> 01:33:39.960
but I can only fill it with
a top in this third cu like,

1442
01:33:43.000 --> 01:33:46.920
yes, I don't know why.
That scratches a part of my brain that

1443
01:33:46.960 --> 01:33:50.319
makes me feel really smart. This
one is more like I'm beating my head

1444
01:33:50.359 --> 01:33:55.520
against the wall being like I don't
know was it Delilah with the boot?

1445
01:33:55.680 --> 01:33:59.680
I don't know, and like I'm
just like you're playing. Yeah, at

1446
01:33:59.680 --> 01:34:02.560
some point, Sargent Pepper with the
candlestick. Sergeant Pepper is a beetle.

1447
01:34:02.560 --> 01:34:06.680
What are they called? What are
those characters names? There was doctor Plum,

1448
01:34:06.880 --> 01:34:15.399
professor yeah something, Professor Plums,
Mustard, Colonel must that's the famous

1449
01:34:15.399 --> 01:34:18.960
one. It's like I should at
least know Colonel Mustard. I have Sergeant

1450
01:34:19.039 --> 01:34:27.479
Slaughter and Sergeant Hammer in there.
Who could forget the murderer could be anyone.

1451
01:34:27.560 --> 01:34:34.239
Sergeant Slaughter, here's an American hero, slaughter his stripes. This art

1452
01:34:34.279 --> 01:34:36.880
style reminds me of paper Mario a
lot. Is that kind of like the

1453
01:34:36.960 --> 01:34:44.239
aesthetic vibe. Yeah, heavy outline, like heavy black outline, like everything

1454
01:34:44.359 --> 01:34:48.399
was lined in a giant marker sticker
style. I think it's cute, it's

1455
01:34:48.479 --> 01:34:54.199
endearing. There's nothing harmful in this
game. It's family friendly, it's for

1456
01:34:54.279 --> 01:35:00.000
everybody. I just think that it's
for a person that enjoys solving clue.

1457
01:35:00.000 --> 01:35:02.760
Who's sorry, starving puzzles with like
a mountain of clues that you write down

1458
01:35:02.760 --> 01:35:08.399
in your notebook. It's it was
short. I think it was like I

1459
01:35:08.399 --> 01:35:12.399
think I finished it in four hours, and when it was done, I

1460
01:35:12.520 --> 01:35:16.119
was glad, but I solved it, and I did think that it was

1461
01:35:16.239 --> 01:35:20.680
very cute and well done. So
Duck Detective I might try that out,

1462
01:35:20.680 --> 01:35:25.239
because like I am so just in
that mode of what I did with the

1463
01:35:25.439 --> 01:35:28.920
Golden Idol and like this seems like
almost like a lighter load in one of

1464
01:35:29.000 --> 01:35:31.520
those like if it's four hours or
so, you know, I man,

1465
01:35:31.520 --> 01:35:34.560
this might be the year of like
Golden Idol type games for me, because

1466
01:35:34.560 --> 01:35:38.840
I've got the sequel. I think
I want to try out this Duck Detective

1467
01:35:38.880 --> 01:35:42.399
thing, like I think I'm I'm
also into the Professor Layton style, so

1468
01:35:42.439 --> 01:35:45.039
like I think I like both.
Like I'm just I fucking love logic puzzles.

1469
01:35:45.039 --> 01:35:47.560
I always did. We're like this
person's standing next to this person,

1470
01:35:47.600 --> 01:35:50.399
this person's holding this, but will
not stand next to this person. This

1471
01:35:50.439 --> 01:35:53.439
person won't be in a room with
any of these people. And you have

1472
01:35:53.479 --> 01:35:55.840
like the grid and you're doing the
x's and the o's and all that like

1473
01:35:56.079 --> 01:35:59.720
that shit. Like my brain works
very well with stuff like that. So

1474
01:36:00.159 --> 01:36:01.279
I think this is like a genre
I want to spend more time in.

1475
01:36:01.399 --> 01:36:05.000
You know, it's funny because I'm
doing Like so I'm playing Paper Mario thousand

1476
01:36:05.079 --> 01:36:10.199
Year Door and I'm in the train
level, which is just like Paper Mario

1477
01:36:10.279 --> 01:36:12.479
thousand Door is so good at this
where it has all these chapters and they

1478
01:36:12.479 --> 01:36:15.439
each feel different, and the train
one is just the mystery chapter, right,

1479
01:36:15.479 --> 01:36:18.520
So it's like a very liked version
of this where it's like, oh,

1480
01:36:18.640 --> 01:36:23.520
who stole the stew and follow the
tracks over here? And you know,

1481
01:36:24.039 --> 01:36:26.680
it's not like this deep puzzle thing, and yet it still has very

1482
01:36:26.760 --> 01:36:30.439
much that vibe and there haven't been
like random encounters, so it is like

1483
01:36:30.520 --> 01:36:34.000
a nice break from other things happening
in that game to do something different any

1484
01:36:34.039 --> 01:36:39.720
know before that you're on like a
kind of piraty adventure then earlier in the

1485
01:36:39.760 --> 01:36:43.800
Spooky Town of God. That game
is just so good at switching things up

1486
01:36:43.840 --> 01:36:48.279
while still being you know that turn
based paper Mario style. Didn't uh,

1487
01:36:48.560 --> 01:36:51.159
didn't Hat in Time do something like
that too? Like I had like a

1488
01:36:51.199 --> 01:36:55.079
murder on the Organ Express type thing
I didn't get. I didn't get very

1489
01:36:55.119 --> 01:36:57.359
far and hat in Time, But
I don't know why I feel like it

1490
01:36:57.399 --> 01:37:00.319
should have been my thing. I
want to go back problem with my problem

1491
01:37:00.359 --> 01:37:02.319
is I only tried to play the
Switch version, which didn't run super great.

1492
01:37:02.479 --> 01:37:05.800
Oh okay, I feel like that
is someone who loves three D platformers

1493
01:37:05.840 --> 01:37:10.079
so much. I think I want
to spend more time with that. Yeah.

1494
01:37:10.319 --> 01:37:13.279
Always, I feel I think we're
getting out of a place where indie

1495
01:37:13.279 --> 01:37:15.920
three D platformers are starting to get
there. There was that Yo Yo one

1496
01:37:16.000 --> 01:37:19.520
earlier in the year, then no
No for Penny's Big Breakaway. Yeah,

1497
01:37:19.520 --> 01:37:23.520
it felt pretty good. Like I'm
still kind of waiting for like that big

1498
01:37:23.560 --> 01:37:26.439
breakout one where it's like, here's
the one that's just as good as a

1499
01:37:26.520 --> 01:37:32.239
Mario game, right, Astrobot,
Well, that's not indie indie lover Dan

1500
01:37:32.560 --> 01:37:39.119
I'm talking about, except for that. Just because a game isn't a Horizon

1501
01:37:39.239 --> 01:37:44.239
doesn't mean that it's suddenly an indie
game. God damn it, Golden Idol

1502
01:37:44.439 --> 01:37:48.319
indy game, right, that's that's
true game. Right. Yes, we

1503
01:37:48.359 --> 01:37:51.479
have mostly talked about end games Paper
Mario not so much. I know that

1504
01:37:51.520 --> 01:37:56.319
it's Nintendo though, Uh you know, I I loved thousand Year Door back

1505
01:37:56.319 --> 01:37:59.800
by playing the GameCube, and it's
just been nice playing this this remake.

1506
01:38:00.079 --> 01:38:01.600
I haven't played it since then,
and it's like, oh, this game

1507
01:38:01.680 --> 01:38:04.159
is great. I was right to
like this game. I'm good, I'm

1508
01:38:04.199 --> 01:38:06.920
smart. Yay. I hate that, like I did the same thing.

1509
01:38:06.960 --> 01:38:10.199
I know I've said it before,
but like the Metroid Prime thing where it's

1510
01:38:10.279 --> 01:38:14.119
during the pandemic, I played Metrod
Prime. I also played Paper Mario that

1511
01:38:14.199 --> 01:38:15.079
was near door, and it's like
they remade both of them, and I

1512
01:38:15.119 --> 01:38:18.159
haven't touched either of the remakes,
and there most would be good remakes,

1513
01:38:18.159 --> 01:38:20.039
and I wish I would have just
waited a couple of years, not that

1514
01:38:20.079 --> 01:38:21.960
I could have known it was coming, you know, but like share,

1515
01:38:23.000 --> 01:38:25.760
I'm almost done with wind Wacr HD, and it's like they're going to fucking

1516
01:38:25.760 --> 01:38:29.119
announce the remake of that day.
I swear, like the day after this

1517
01:38:29.199 --> 01:38:31.239
podcast goes up. If that rumored
direct happens on Tuesday, if they announced

1518
01:38:31.239 --> 01:38:35.319
wind Way for HD, I'd just
gonna be insane. There's a decent chance,

1519
01:38:35.399 --> 01:38:39.880
Like right, there's a decent chance, and I appreciate your services.

1520
01:38:40.079 --> 01:38:43.199
At this point, I probably have
like four or five hours left of wind

1521
01:38:43.199 --> 01:38:45.399
Wacer HD. I think if they
announced it on Tuesday, I would just

1522
01:38:45.439 --> 01:38:47.279
be like, all right, fuck
it. I will actually just wait and

1523
01:38:47.319 --> 01:38:49.399
I will play the remake. I
want. I want to play one of

1524
01:38:49.439 --> 01:38:53.880
these remakes. It might just be
like a port of that HD version.

1525
01:38:53.920 --> 01:38:57.279
You're already fine, It's well,
okay, It's all I'm saying is at

1526
01:38:57.319 --> 01:39:00.439
that point you wouldn't have to really
get all worked up about start it.

1527
01:39:00.479 --> 01:39:03.079
Bit is the support and like that
age that first HD version on we you

1528
01:39:03.159 --> 01:39:06.359
like, there's so much shit already
and it's so good. The way they

1529
01:39:06.520 --> 01:39:10.159
fix it, the way I could
like look at your items and stuff like

1530
01:39:10.199 --> 01:39:13.399
that, the swift sale and the
tangles with the maps and everything, it's

1531
01:39:13.439 --> 01:39:16.119
so much water. The one thing
I would really want if they give another

1532
01:39:16.119 --> 01:39:20.000
pass edit is I want the music
to be orchestrated. Now, I would

1533
01:39:20.000 --> 01:39:24.119
workers one of my favorite games ever. I love the music, but like

1534
01:39:24.199 --> 01:39:28.840
that GameCube Midi style didn't sound great
to me. One of those things where

1535
01:39:28.880 --> 01:39:31.000
it's like I love Mario, I
love Zeld and all that gun to my

1536
01:39:31.039 --> 01:39:35.079
head. I could not tell you
whether any game was orchestrated or Midi or

1537
01:39:35.119 --> 01:39:38.279
now. Like I just I know, like if I heard the music,

1538
01:39:38.319 --> 01:39:40.560
I'd be like, oh yeah,
this sounds good. But like you,

1539
01:39:40.680 --> 01:39:42.760
Mike, I've seen you with super
Bell Hill and all that stuff, like

1540
01:39:42.840 --> 01:39:45.399
you know, all the names,
let's go. Yeah, yeah, you

1541
01:39:45.560 --> 01:39:47.680
know this stuff on. Like with
video game music, I feel like there

1542
01:39:47.680 --> 01:39:51.039
are people like you Manati and like
like Tim Turrey that will like listen to

1543
01:39:51.119 --> 01:39:55.039
it and know the tracks and listen
to like remakes and all this stuff and

1544
01:39:55.560 --> 01:39:59.720
all other scene. It's a whole
other kind of part of the community.

1545
01:39:59.840 --> 01:40:02.239
There's whole conventions and everything. In
me, it's like I like video game

1546
01:40:02.319 --> 01:40:05.600
musical, especially like Mario and Zelden
stuff, but like I hear the song

1547
01:40:06.079 --> 01:40:09.079
and while I'm playing it, I'm
like, oh my god, I love

1548
01:40:09.079 --> 01:40:11.039
this song, and then like I
don't know the name of it. I

1549
01:40:11.039 --> 01:40:14.079
don't listen to it outside of the
context of the game. I you know,

1550
01:40:14.279 --> 01:40:15.439
so it's like I don't. I
mean, they're like super famous ones

1551
01:40:15.479 --> 01:40:17.479
in a Bloody Tears and stuff like
that. Were's like, yeah, okay,

1552
01:40:17.479 --> 01:40:19.319
I get that, but oh that's
such a good name, you can

1553
01:40:19.399 --> 01:40:23.000
forget it. Yeah yeah yeah,
But like I mean, yeah, ninety

1554
01:40:23.079 --> 01:40:25.520
nine percent of the time, I'm
just enjoying it while I'm playing the levels.

1555
01:40:25.520 --> 01:40:28.439
And fine, I mean that's how
that's what it is designed to be.

1556
01:40:28.520 --> 01:40:30.680
I think it's a you're being a
bit more of a freak like me,

1557
01:40:30.359 --> 01:40:33.880
Like you're listening to a lot of
video games soundtracks instead of real music.

1558
01:40:34.039 --> 01:40:36.760
Quote unquote, that's Tim. I
mean every time I walk by his

1559
01:40:36.760 --> 01:40:39.439
desk a Game in Former, it's
just like, oh, here's a Sonic

1560
01:40:39.520 --> 01:40:43.560
Knuckles playlist or a tribute to Sonic
and Knuckles playlist or something. You know,

1561
01:40:43.920 --> 01:40:46.439
Yeah, see remix dot com.
All right, the iconic, iconic

1562
01:40:46.520 --> 01:40:51.479
soundtracks of sound Sonic and Knuckles.
Tim Terry will fight you if you're bringing

1563
01:40:51.479 --> 01:40:56.920
sarcastic about that a little bit.
I Texonic one over at any d actually

1564
01:40:57.000 --> 01:41:00.399
go Sonic one, song two and
song three, Knuckles ranking the gen assists

1565
01:41:00.439 --> 01:41:01.600
on it. Of course. I
don't need to tell you guys this.

1566
01:41:01.760 --> 01:41:08.119
You know, if they announced wind
Wacker HD soon, I want people to

1567
01:41:08.159 --> 01:41:11.880
just start venmowing me to get me
to just play Bloodborne so they make a

1568
01:41:11.920 --> 01:41:15.960
remake of that. You can make
a lot of money. If I have

1569
01:41:16.000 --> 01:41:19.159
a melligability, or if I start
playing an old game, they will remake

1570
01:41:19.199 --> 01:41:23.359
it in the next year or two. Yeah, yes, is this Danning

1571
01:41:23.359 --> 01:41:26.079
it? Now? We had Kishing
it and this is Danning It? Okay,

1572
01:41:27.039 --> 01:41:30.800
Wow, I like it seems much
more parentheses positive, I have to

1573
01:41:30.840 --> 01:41:33.520
say. But yeah, he always
gets away with that somehow, Yeah,

1574
01:41:33.680 --> 01:41:39.840
somehow, his quirks are cheeky and
adorable. Yeah, you'res just lose you

1575
01:41:39.880 --> 01:41:48.520
money. Uh, Mike, you
are playing metaphor re Fantasio. This so

1576
01:41:48.600 --> 01:41:51.399
this was something I played at Summer
Game Fest. Okay, okay, yeah,

1577
01:41:51.399 --> 01:41:58.479
god not really. JRPG people on
this podcast usually are there. Yeah,

1578
01:41:58.560 --> 01:42:00.079
Dan, it's just gone getting a
drink. This is the new game

1579
01:42:00.119 --> 01:42:05.760
from the Persona People. This is
the Persona People are finally making a fantasy

1580
01:42:06.600 --> 01:42:12.680
RPG. Fantasy RPG. Yeah,
Dan, the Persona People. Dan,

1581
01:42:12.720 --> 01:42:15.319
I'm making a fantasy RPG. I'm
sure you're you're just tickled with enthusiasts.

1582
01:42:15.399 --> 01:42:17.800
Give it five years. I'm suddenly
gonna play a Persona and be like,

1583
01:42:17.800 --> 01:42:23.680
this is Persona is so good.
I've heard, as somebody who loves like

1584
01:42:23.800 --> 01:42:28.039
turn based RPGs and other series like
FOM Fantasy are kind of retreating from that.

1585
01:42:28.359 --> 01:42:31.399
I love that we still have at
list here making new ones of those

1586
01:42:31.399 --> 01:42:36.560
that feel very big. They do. They feel very spiffy and kind of

1587
01:42:36.560 --> 01:42:39.600
top on line. I don't necessarily
want to say Triple A, but that

1588
01:42:39.600 --> 01:42:42.880
that is part of it. It's
a good feeling when there is like a

1589
01:42:42.920 --> 01:42:46.680
company around that is like putting the
work in too, like keep something alive

1590
01:42:46.720 --> 01:42:48.960
that you love, Like I really
thought that with like I'm not gonna go

1591
01:42:49.000 --> 01:42:51.479
on a whole tangenty, but like
Astrobot where it's like when I was playing

1592
01:42:51.479 --> 01:42:54.880
that, I was like, damn, this is a big, expensive,

1593
01:42:55.239 --> 01:42:58.319
top of the line three D platformer, which I feel like we don't get

1594
01:42:58.399 --> 01:43:00.520
enough of these days. But anyway, so sometimes some genres do go like

1595
01:43:00.560 --> 01:43:04.520
we haven't really had RTS in a
long time. Times it's just right car

1596
01:43:04.560 --> 01:43:08.520
combat been along gone. So yeah, I'm glad that we you know,

1597
01:43:08.560 --> 01:43:11.880
and it would it would be fine
if we just only had like indie or

1598
01:43:11.880 --> 01:43:15.199
smaller ones, like if see if
Stars was the representation for turn based Arpugis,

1599
01:43:15.239 --> 01:43:18.039
I would be okay with that.
But it is nice still seeing like,

1600
01:43:18.039 --> 01:43:21.039
oh, this is what it looks
like when there is like high production

1601
01:43:21.239 --> 01:43:27.399
values behind this thing and it looks
kind of expensive and cool. In it

1602
01:43:27.439 --> 01:43:30.800
looks very expensive and cool, and
there's you know, a lot of it

1603
01:43:30.840 --> 01:43:33.680
is persona stuff, but there's some
interesting things like when you're on the field,

1604
01:43:33.880 --> 01:43:38.119
it can almost be more just a
hack and slash, but your hack

1605
01:43:38.159 --> 01:43:41.600
and slashing not to beat an enemy
nless they're really low level, then you

1606
01:43:41.760 --> 01:43:44.640
just kill them. It's usually so
that you get advantage so that when you

1607
01:43:44.680 --> 01:43:47.279
start the turn based battles, you're
the one who attacks first. But if

1608
01:43:47.319 --> 01:43:50.239
you're hack and slashing and they hit
you, then you start the battle and

1609
01:43:50.319 --> 01:43:54.720
they have It's a little bit of
a paper Mario thing, but it's a

1610
01:43:54.720 --> 01:43:57.640
bit more because it's like it's not
just you know, the one attack they'll

1611
01:43:57.640 --> 01:44:00.399
have, like not the health bar, but like a stagger bar, and

1612
01:44:00.439 --> 01:44:02.920
that's what you're trying to whittle down
there. And while you're doing that,

1613
01:44:02.960 --> 01:44:05.640
they might attack you and you have
to like use a dodge button. It's

1614
01:44:05.640 --> 01:44:10.880
not like, you know that will
make crime mechanics for the hack and slashing,

1615
01:44:10.880 --> 01:44:14.359
but there's a surprising amount more there
than just hit them once to get

1616
01:44:14.399 --> 01:44:19.760
advantage. Nice. It's fun stuff. I think anybody who likes Persona is

1617
01:44:19.800 --> 01:44:24.359
going to be super over the moon
with this one's coming out last year.

1618
01:44:24.560 --> 01:44:27.680
Aside from Astro, it's my most
anticipated game for the rest of the year,

1619
01:44:27.720 --> 01:44:30.680
probably to Nintendo, and that's just
all their stuff were they worried about

1620
01:44:30.920 --> 01:44:36.119
their SEO. With a name like
this, you would think it's not great,

1621
01:44:36.439 --> 01:44:40.079
is it? Yeah? I wonder
if there's a part and that's like

1622
01:44:40.079 --> 01:44:44.960
we can't we work on word persona
there or something. But you know,

1623
01:44:45.079 --> 01:44:46.119
I don't know. It might be
one of those things where it sounds super

1624
01:44:46.159 --> 01:44:48.960
weird to us now and then in
ten years it's like, of course metaphor,

1625
01:44:48.960 --> 01:44:53.239
we're friend Tazio five is coming out. That's the most beloved name in

1626
01:44:53.359 --> 01:44:58.640
RPGs. I don't think so.
I don't think this is going to be

1627
01:44:58.800 --> 01:45:03.800
like a refantaz the Vanya type game
that we're gonna talk about. It's a

1628
01:45:03.800 --> 01:45:08.239
metaphor, like, actually, I'm
gonna go ahead, Like sounds like a

1629
01:45:08.239 --> 01:45:12.880
fuck up thing to say those sports
are metaphor. Like, it's a metaphor,

1630
01:45:13.079 --> 01:45:16.079
Like I'm already gonna put it right
here in our twenty twenty four game

1631
01:45:16.079 --> 01:45:20.159
of your categories and their worst title
metaphor. That's a really good idea.

1632
01:45:20.279 --> 01:45:26.479
And also I also I brought up
this game and sabrety guys never played to

1633
01:45:26.520 --> 01:45:29.439
talk about great is your big takeaways
that the Dame is back, you are

1634
01:45:29.520 --> 01:45:33.479
replacing Mike, you deserve to have
the mic experience and that's that. I

1635
01:45:33.479 --> 01:45:39.039
don't give a about talking about nerds. Te a million coffees. This game's

1636
01:45:39.079 --> 01:45:43.079
gonna sell very well. Problems at
okay, Well, good job capitalism,

1637
01:45:43.159 --> 01:45:50.920
Mike Capitalist Nerd Mike Manati. Yeah. I also I have a new category

1638
01:45:50.960 --> 01:45:54.439
for this year. I put down
a best Think Them, and I put

1639
01:45:54.520 --> 01:45:57.239
DUCKT Detective and Rise the Golden Idoland
there. I think we got Dewey,

1640
01:45:57.479 --> 01:46:00.239
we got Dewey Talkie and think Them. I think those will big good for

1641
01:46:00.279 --> 01:46:03.119
this year. Three food groups.
Yes, you guys should all play the

1642
01:46:03.159 --> 01:46:09.199
Riven remake together, but it'll be
a good candidate. I've never played Missed.

1643
01:46:09.800 --> 01:46:14.800
Oh really no, I don't have
Surprized because that was miss was like

1644
01:46:14.840 --> 01:46:16.960
a game that you like, grow
up with that like the older sibling is

1645
01:46:16.960 --> 01:46:23.920
good at. Do you ever have
a Sega CD? I did have a

1646
01:46:23.960 --> 01:46:28.119
Sega CD, but the only game
I ever bought I traded in my anys

1647
01:46:28.119 --> 01:46:30.359
and every game for a segacy D, and all I had was Sewer Shark,

1648
01:46:30.439 --> 01:46:34.520
which rules fucking w F rage in
the cage. Those are the my

1649
01:46:34.600 --> 01:46:38.960
whole nes collection of ship. That
would be like all these mega mans and

1650
01:46:39.039 --> 01:46:42.920
all this ship now like a great
move there. Raising the cage was not

1651
01:46:43.000 --> 01:46:46.239
that great either. It's funny because
there's a time in my life where I

1652
01:46:46.279 --> 01:46:49.000
was like, I think this is
the biggest game in the world. I

1653
01:46:49.039 --> 01:46:51.960
heard about it all the time,
but I just never saw it. Yeah,

1654
01:46:53.000 --> 01:46:55.199
I just my step dad wouldn't let
he had a he had a Packard

1655
01:46:55.199 --> 01:46:57.199
Bell. I wasn't allowed to play
on that because he thought I would give

1656
01:46:57.199 --> 01:47:01.720
it a virus if I played a
game on there. So hmhm, yeah,

1657
01:47:01.960 --> 01:47:05.319
Mary, I don't think. Why
do you talk about one of your

1658
01:47:05.439 --> 01:47:09.920
weird ones, because I've heard about
one of yours? Dan, which one?

1659
01:47:11.239 --> 01:47:15.600
I've heard about this stupid game that
everyone won't shut up about called Banana.

1660
01:47:15.720 --> 01:47:19.079
Apparently it's like the fourth most Oh
you're playing this? Well, literally

1661
01:47:20.159 --> 01:47:26.640
fifteen minutes before we went on the
recording here tonight, I saw Mike Drucker

1662
01:47:26.680 --> 01:47:30.640
tweet about a game called Banana,
and I had no idea what it was.

1663
01:47:30.079 --> 01:47:33.479
Raving about this stupid game. Are
they really raving about it? I

1664
01:47:33.520 --> 01:47:35.640
mean, it's like, I don't
know if raving is the word. It

1665
01:47:35.680 --> 01:47:40.159
seems like a meme to me.
It's like the fourth most downloaded game?

1666
01:47:40.239 --> 01:47:43.920
How did you free? And it
definitely seems like a meme. Like it's

1667
01:47:43.920 --> 01:47:46.399
like at the Flappy Bird phenomenon got
taken to its extreme. What a game.

1668
01:47:46.760 --> 01:47:53.239
It's just popular because like literally what
I did was I loaded up there

1669
01:47:53.319 --> 01:47:56.479
is a banana. It looks like
a jpeg of a banana, and I

1670
01:47:56.600 --> 01:47:59.960
clicked it and a number goes up, and I clicked it about one hundred

1671
01:48:00.079 --> 01:48:03.119
times, and nothing happened at a
hundred and I didn't see any sense that

1672
01:48:03.119 --> 01:48:08.199
there was anything beyond that you're really
bad at bananas. Though we've discovered today

1673
01:48:09.319 --> 01:48:11.600
be doing something wrong. That is
true. I might have sucked it up.

1674
01:48:12.399 --> 01:48:15.520
Yeah. My takeaway is I don't
know what this is. It seems

1675
01:48:15.560 --> 01:48:17.319
like it's a meme. I don't
know if at any point anything happens,

1676
01:48:17.680 --> 01:48:21.359
Like it seems like there's a store
where you can spend money for real to

1677
01:48:21.399 --> 01:48:28.359
make your banana look like matrix numbers
or whatever of glass or so. Yeah,

1678
01:48:28.560 --> 01:48:33.159
that's my banana experience. Do you
recommend banana? No, based on

1679
01:48:33.199 --> 01:48:36.640
what I've seen, No, I
would not. I would recommend it.

1680
01:48:36.840 --> 01:48:41.439
Not recommend banana banana. Like,
shoot, bananas are pretty good, Like

1681
01:48:41.479 --> 01:48:44.319
those are that's first fur goes Mitch. I know, Mitch, have you

1682
01:48:44.399 --> 01:48:47.239
ever eaten a banana? Never?
Nough, have you ever eaten a banana

1683
01:48:47.359 --> 01:48:51.520
flavored thing? Yes? Like I
had a banana flavored I will say,

1684
01:48:51.560 --> 01:48:55.640
like I can eat like the candies
are like, you know, runts taste

1685
01:48:55.680 --> 01:48:58.119
like fruit ruts. Yeah, it's
a good one. Runt's like, oh,

1686
01:48:58.159 --> 01:49:00.800
the grape brunt, that's fine.
That banana runt is disgusting. Look,

1687
01:49:00.840 --> 01:49:04.000
even like I like bananas, banana
runts are kind of weird and hard.

1688
01:49:04.039 --> 01:49:09.079
Flavor never really truly captures the essence
of banana. Yeah, it's messed

1689
01:49:09.159 --> 01:49:12.880
up because like, yeah, all
the other fruits just tastes like sugar something,

1690
01:49:12.920 --> 01:49:15.760
and then the banana one's got something
else going on. Flavor scientists that

1691
01:49:15.840 --> 01:49:19.039
came up with banana are all like, whatever, we're close enough, pack

1692
01:49:19.119 --> 01:49:25.039
it in, let's go home.
It's not even near there. We're inventing

1693
01:49:25.119 --> 01:49:29.079
fruits like blue raspberry that are amazing
in candy form, but we can't get

1694
01:49:29.079 --> 01:49:30.960
banana figured out. God, there's
a part of me that just wants to

1695
01:49:30.960 --> 01:49:33.479
be like, I can't believe you've
never bitten a banana, Mike. But

1696
01:49:33.479 --> 01:49:36.000
then it's like, I guess that's
like everybody that's ever known me for like

1697
01:49:36.079 --> 01:49:40.560
forty years. Sure, yeah,
but it's sure when I was like a

1698
01:49:40.600 --> 01:49:43.880
baby before I can remember I had
a banana before the hang ups really started.

1699
01:49:43.880 --> 01:49:47.640
Who knows? Would it be incentivized? Uh? Money, it can

1700
01:49:47.720 --> 01:49:51.159
never be. Apple could ever be? Maybe you can get oh, because

1701
01:49:51.199 --> 01:49:54.880
I have like a phobia appage.
I know we've said this for but like

1702
01:49:55.239 --> 01:49:58.359
there was a line somewhere. Was
it ten thousand dollars ten k in a

1703
01:49:58.439 --> 01:50:00.800
suitcase cash taking a bite of an
apple? Yeah? I think I think

1704
01:50:00.840 --> 01:50:04.039
ten k is what s is b
for an apple. I'd probably be lower

1705
01:50:04.079 --> 01:50:08.439
for banana for sure. Like I
don't want to give you a thousand dollars,

1706
01:50:08.479 --> 01:50:10.920
I'll take a bite of a banana, Like I don't want to eat

1707
01:50:10.920 --> 01:50:13.359
a taco bell thing with sour krem
on it. But you offer me like

1708
01:50:13.359 --> 01:50:15.960
five hundred bucks, I'm going to
do it. See interest, I feel

1709
01:50:16.000 --> 01:50:19.880
like we've all accidentally had done that
one at least, because that's with yourself.

1710
01:50:23.119 --> 01:50:25.720
Lower my price, all lower my
price, Like that's easy money.

1711
01:50:26.720 --> 01:50:31.960
I'm not going to turn down easy
money. Uh tiny Terry's Turbo trip.

1712
01:50:32.720 --> 01:50:38.560
Have I talked about this on I
have not a Well it's another great endie

1713
01:50:38.600 --> 01:50:43.239
game that I played it and beat
it is it's not a bit I love

1714
01:50:43.239 --> 01:50:46.000
any case. This is everything.
It's an indie game this week. H

1715
01:50:46.199 --> 01:50:53.239
Tiny Terry's Turbo Trip is an open
world, super condensed like goofy, like

1716
01:50:53.319 --> 01:50:56.960
actually funny, Like the writing is
is very funny. Made me laugh several

1717
01:50:56.960 --> 01:50:59.720
times. Like it's like take all
the things you think up with like a

1718
01:51:00.800 --> 01:51:02.159
I don't want to say, like
a GTA, but like more of an

1719
01:51:02.159 --> 01:51:05.720
open world kind of three D platformer, and it's kind of got all of

1720
01:51:05.720 --> 01:51:09.840
it condensed into like this four hour
experience. Like you're driving around, you're

1721
01:51:09.840 --> 01:51:14.520
buying upgrades, there's like character interactions
and stuff. There's a very condensed open

1722
01:51:14.560 --> 01:51:18.000
world. There's collectithon elements and it's
just a thing where it's like you're trying

1723
01:51:18.039 --> 01:51:20.760
to collect a bunch of bullshit to
level up your cars so you can drive

1724
01:51:20.800 --> 01:51:24.880
it into space. And that's it. And he's got a few friends in

1725
01:51:24.880 --> 01:51:27.159
the town. Everyone's got their different
things where it's like, oh, I

1726
01:51:27.199 --> 01:51:29.840
want to date this girl, but
she doesn't like this food, so I

1727
01:51:29.840 --> 01:51:31.680
got to find a new food for
her to like, or you know,

1728
01:51:31.720 --> 01:51:34.399
this guy's an asshole, and there's
like a whole like Pupper Cars mini game,

1729
01:51:34.399 --> 01:51:38.760
Like there's a several different mini games
with leader wards and stuff on it.

1730
01:51:38.800 --> 01:51:44.199
Like there was a surprising amount of
variety and heart and personality to this

1731
01:51:44.239 --> 01:51:48.079
game that is just like a four
hour thing on Steam. And yeah,

1732
01:51:48.079 --> 01:51:50.079
I played it in two sittings.
So it was like when I played a

1733
01:51:50.239 --> 01:51:54.039
Mary you told me about Children of
the Sun, and it was like two

1734
01:51:54.119 --> 01:51:57.439
sittings, and this was a similar
thing where it's like I enjoyed every second

1735
01:51:57.479 --> 01:51:59.800
of that and I didn't need it
to be longer, but that was just

1736
01:51:59.840 --> 01:52:04.479
a delightful experience. Yeah. Yeah, big recommendation for Tiny Caerry dense huh

1737
01:52:04.560 --> 01:52:08.560
it is. I mean I was
always doing something like You're never just kind

1738
01:52:08.560 --> 01:52:11.600
of like you know, aimlessly wandering
around or anything like that, and like

1739
01:52:11.640 --> 01:52:14.479
even if something is across the map, you get there pretty quick. It's

1740
01:52:14.560 --> 01:52:16.880
a it's super fun. I don't
think I've played like an open world type

1741
01:52:16.880 --> 01:52:21.359
game that's that condensed and solid.
I don't know why, but it gives

1742
01:52:21.399 --> 01:52:27.920
me SpongeBob video game vibes. Oh
a little Battle for Bikini Bottom. I

1743
01:52:28.319 --> 01:52:30.800
went on there, y see it. I saw the little the things I

1744
01:52:30.800 --> 01:52:36.720
heard people bring up were yeh,
SpongeBob and Simpsons Hit and Run as comparison.

1745
01:52:38.560 --> 01:52:41.479
Yeah, I just played through that
for the first time, like last

1746
01:52:41.560 --> 01:52:44.920
year. That's still pretty fun,
does it age? Well? I played

1747
01:52:44.920 --> 01:52:46.600
that when I was growing up,
and I thought it was amazing. I

1748
01:52:46.640 --> 01:52:48.920
think it holds up. But I'm
also pretty like I play a lot of

1749
01:52:48.920 --> 01:52:51.479
old games all the time, so
I'm kind of immune to like games feeling

1750
01:52:51.640 --> 01:52:56.560
age. Yeah, I should ask
a regular person. I think a free

1751
01:52:56.560 --> 01:52:59.239
click. Yeah, I would,
And I don't know why I did that.

1752
01:53:00.000 --> 01:53:05.199
I don't learn anything from this.
I loved it. I thought how

1753
01:53:05.239 --> 01:53:15.239
old and shitty it was speaking of
new and uh not shitty. I forgot

1754
01:53:15.640 --> 01:53:18.319
to mention this last episode. I
don't know why I forgot, but I

1755
01:53:18.319 --> 01:53:23.560
think it's worth mentioning that I played
Little Kitty Big City. I thought you

1756
01:53:23.560 --> 01:53:27.359
brought it up because I thought Mike
perked up. I think I forgot.

1757
01:53:27.680 --> 01:53:32.720
Oh, sure, episode, I
don't think it came up. Thank you.

1758
01:53:32.880 --> 01:53:35.319
I'm glad that Mike is here to
set the record straight. I'm like,

1759
01:53:35.439 --> 01:53:39.439
I'm like so confident because I even
put in the discord, I said,

1760
01:53:40.000 --> 01:53:43.760
did I not talk about Little Kitty
Big City? And you responded to

1761
01:53:43.800 --> 01:53:45.760
me, Dan, No, I
don't think you didn't. I was like,

1762
01:53:45.760 --> 01:53:46.680
well, I fucking played it.
I don't know why I didn't talk

1763
01:53:46.720 --> 01:53:50.039
about it. So I'm not just
forgetting things we did talk about. Now

1764
01:53:50.079 --> 01:53:54.079
my brain is telling me we did
talk about things we didn't. That's a

1765
01:53:54.079 --> 01:53:57.680
good sign. We had a full
conversation about it. Dan, that's good.

1766
01:53:58.479 --> 01:54:02.920
That's good. It's concerned. Uh. I played Little Kitty Big City.

1767
01:54:03.079 --> 01:54:08.279
It is on game pass. I
did not kiss it. This game

1768
01:54:08.640 --> 01:54:14.239
is very cute. You're a cat. It has elements of a goose.

1769
01:54:14.800 --> 01:54:19.840
What's the goose game? Whatever,
it's very goose game. You are messing

1770
01:54:19.880 --> 01:54:24.399
with people. You can bump into
them and steal their phone or steal their

1771
01:54:24.439 --> 01:54:29.600
bagel. You can catch little pigeons
that are or birds that are like,

1772
01:54:29.720 --> 01:54:31.119
you know, minding their own business. You can pick up stuff, lots

1773
01:54:31.119 --> 01:54:35.359
of hats. It's extremely cute.
And then you're doing those things to achieve

1774
01:54:35.479 --> 01:54:40.880
things like so like if you mess
with someone, you can actually like get

1775
01:54:40.880 --> 01:54:44.560
them to chase you, and then
they knock something over, and then you

1776
01:54:44.680 --> 01:54:46.920
get something out of the garbage that
they knocked over. It's like an example.

1777
01:54:47.039 --> 01:54:49.680
I don't think that actually happens,
but that's not the point. You're

1778
01:54:50.239 --> 01:54:55.760
slowly uncovering things in the world,
and as you do that, it grants

1779
01:54:55.800 --> 01:55:00.439
you fish. The fish give you
longer climbing ability, and so as you

1780
01:55:00.439 --> 01:55:04.960
play the game, you travel upwards
because now you can climb up buildings gets

1781
01:55:04.960 --> 01:55:08.239
you to the second third levels.
By the end of the game, you're

1782
01:55:08.279 --> 01:55:11.319
like literally on top of the rooftops
of the city. It's super cute.

1783
01:55:11.479 --> 01:55:14.239
I think it's really it's really adorable, especially for a game pass game.

1784
01:55:14.520 --> 01:55:16.479
I feel like there should be a
name for this genre of like you know,

1785
01:55:16.560 --> 01:55:20.640
little Kiddie, big City, and
god damn one. In the middle

1786
01:55:20.640 --> 01:55:25.039
of that sentence, forgot the other
line of talking about what's another word goos

1787
01:55:25.039 --> 01:55:29.920
game yes or titled it doesn't have
a title. You're not wrong to forget

1788
01:55:29.920 --> 01:55:33.079
it not necessarily like not all animal
things, Like I don't count Stray in

1789
01:55:33.119 --> 01:55:35.439
this because Stray was trying to do
like a narrative and stuff. You know

1790
01:55:35.479 --> 01:55:40.840
I've talked about, you know,
yeah, go simulators totally one, yes,

1791
01:55:40.920 --> 01:55:45.720
yes, yeah, just animal bullshit
gamesh is a really good genre.

1792
01:55:45.159 --> 01:55:49.279
This is one hundred percent animal bullshit. You're not really achieving anything. Nothing's

1793
01:55:49.399 --> 01:55:53.760
very important. There's no stress,
there's no must, there's no fuss.

1794
01:55:53.920 --> 01:56:00.079
You do have to think about things. Sometimes there's like an underground system of

1795
01:56:00.159 --> 01:56:02.279
tunnels that you uncover, and so
you need to like get through all the

1796
01:56:02.319 --> 01:56:08.159
tunnels which uncovered certain spaces. It's
very cute. One of the goals is

1797
01:56:08.199 --> 01:56:12.319
that a duck sauce. It's ducklings. So you find these ducklings and they

1798
01:56:12.439 --> 01:56:15.479
follow you and you bring them back
to their moms. Very cute. I

1799
01:56:15.520 --> 01:56:17.600
did. I was watching somebody play
it and they were doing that segment and

1800
01:56:17.640 --> 01:56:20.479
it was very cute. How like
you were marching with the ducklings, and

1801
01:56:20.520 --> 01:56:24.520
like the humans you walk by even
kind of like stopped and like looked and

1802
01:56:24.560 --> 01:56:27.199
took pictures because even they're like,
oh, this shit's pretty cute. They

1803
01:56:27.319 --> 01:56:30.319
knew. Did you see Mike at
Disneyland. Were you there with us when

1804
01:56:30.319 --> 01:56:31.840
we saw all the baby ducklings.
Yeah, Well, as we were in

1805
01:56:31.880 --> 01:56:35.239
line to get our dull lip and
the baby ducklings came out. Yeah,

1806
01:56:35.239 --> 01:56:39.239
there's a lot of baby ducks in
Disneyland. It's so funny because I love

1807
01:56:39.239 --> 01:56:42.960
it because you're in Disneyland, there's
like zillions of dollars put into this to

1808
01:56:43.000 --> 01:56:45.640
make it like visually interesting to you
and then like some baby duck shoup and

1809
01:56:45.720 --> 01:56:51.800
everybody, shit, look out,
here's baby ducks. Isn't that the greatest

1810
01:56:51.800 --> 01:56:56.479
thing you've ever heed? So you
don't see is that they are pumping out

1811
01:56:56.479 --> 01:56:59.279
baby ducks that everyone has a really
good experience, and as soon as you

1812
01:56:59.399 --> 01:57:01.640
leave and they get to like three
months old, they kill them up.

1813
01:57:01.880 --> 01:57:04.279
Well, we didn't see a dead
bird just floating in the river while we

1814
01:57:04.319 --> 01:57:08.520
took the riverboat ride or whatever.
I knew it, so that was the

1815
01:57:08.560 --> 01:57:13.439
Mark train riverboat. Do you remember
what I was telling you Dan about how

1816
01:57:13.680 --> 01:57:16.079
it's like really hard to find trash
at Disney because there's somebody who picks it

1817
01:57:16.159 --> 01:57:19.439
up within like thirty seconds. I
didn't see trash anywhere I did. I

1818
01:57:19.439 --> 01:57:21.920
didn't remember what you were saying about, like the music, like the transitions

1819
01:57:21.920 --> 01:57:26.239
between stuff and the trash and all
that, and like, yeah, yeah,

1820
01:57:26.319 --> 01:57:29.880
I get it, I get it. You can see behind the buildings

1821
01:57:30.119 --> 01:57:34.640
like they've done in expert jobs that
you never like see someone leave or like

1822
01:57:34.720 --> 01:57:38.000
come in. It always looks like
they're coming in and out of like a

1823
01:57:38.079 --> 01:57:42.560
nice door. You never see them
go behind the scenes and the park first

1824
01:57:42.560 --> 01:57:45.840
opened, Walt Disney had them give
everybody watched in the park just like a

1825
01:57:45.880 --> 01:57:47.479
free thing of bubble gum. Right, so I was like, oh,

1826
01:57:47.520 --> 01:57:51.279
free bubble gum. And then he
looked and saw where did they start throwing

1827
01:57:51.319 --> 01:57:55.960
the bubblegum wrapper onto the floor.
It's like, okay, that's how that's

1828
01:57:55.960 --> 01:57:59.600
how se is kind of trash cans
everywhere. That's the that's the amount of

1829
01:57:59.600 --> 01:58:02.720
patience people have before they will just
litter. That's how they got a barometer

1830
01:58:02.800 --> 01:58:08.600
of like how frequently the space out
trash cansy? Holy shit. He also

1831
01:58:08.640 --> 01:58:12.840
gave everybody a free baby duck to
see how long it takes before they get

1832
01:58:12.840 --> 01:58:15.960
bored and just throw it in the
river. Very soon, shockingly early.

1833
01:58:16.199 --> 01:58:19.520
You'll be amazed at how quickly you
get bored with a baby duck, snap

1834
01:58:19.560 --> 01:58:23.199
its neck and toss it in the
river. Ye, just to feel something

1835
01:58:23.439 --> 01:58:25.800
got to take its life away.
Mary, can you bring me through the

1836
01:58:25.840 --> 01:58:30.560
timeline? Leave the duck's eyes.
There's the next duck detective who's murdering these

1837
01:58:30.600 --> 01:58:36.439
baby du murders? Oh, I've
been murdered the end of an escalation for

1838
01:58:36.520 --> 01:58:43.560
the Salamie episode. Mary Murry,
What is the timeline from when I handed

1839
01:58:43.640 --> 01:58:47.279
you with that bag of kitty litter
on stage at John Bombs Free put it

1840
01:58:47.279 --> 01:58:53.039
on the ground. Just walk me
through the very heavy I really don't think

1841
01:58:53.079 --> 01:58:56.840
I was pretty heavy. And then
when we were leaving, I was like,

1842
01:58:56.880 --> 01:58:59.079
what am I supposed to do?
Like pick this up? It's very

1843
01:58:59.079 --> 01:59:02.920
heavy. So I just picked it
off the stage. Mary, did you

1844
01:59:02.920 --> 01:59:09.199
try any of my headcake? I
had a skittle. It's pretty good skittle

1845
01:59:09.199 --> 01:59:11.279
though, huh. The cake was
good. You should have had some.

1846
01:59:11.399 --> 01:59:14.039
It was a red velvet. It
was good. I enjoyed it. I

1847
01:59:14.079 --> 01:59:20.079
didn't know whose fingers had been in
there at that point. There I saw

1848
01:59:20.119 --> 01:59:25.039
someone rip your nose off. Yeah, yeah, they got my nose.

1849
01:59:26.359 --> 01:59:31.800
Yeah. It was something about the
just yeah, the sanitary conditions of your

1850
01:59:31.840 --> 01:59:38.479
open skittle brain. I like,
you know, I've got one skittle and

1851
01:59:38.600 --> 01:59:40.800
tried it, and then I was
just like, it's just too dangerous,

1852
01:59:40.880 --> 01:59:45.000
you know, too many conditions,
too many shown. Should I be more

1853
01:59:45.039 --> 01:59:48.279
unnerved about like having a lifelike cake
face, because I just mostly I'm like,

1854
01:59:48.279 --> 01:59:50.439
oh that's neat, and I cut
it and stab it in. It's

1855
01:59:50.439 --> 01:59:54.199
great. I would have the same
yeah, I think I have the same

1856
01:59:54.239 --> 01:59:57.880
reaction. It's a peer listening and
have not seen this. Check out either

1857
01:59:58.199 --> 02:00:00.840
my Instagram or it's probably on Giant
Bombs or Fat Lemon SD. That's the

1858
02:00:00.880 --> 02:00:05.000
baker who made it, and she
is incredibly talented. It is just Mike

1859
02:00:05.039 --> 02:00:10.479
Manati's head as Kwan she filled with
skittles as a cake with big gross feet

1860
02:00:10.520 --> 02:00:14.760
that I threw into the audience and
uh boy, howdy does she just nail

1861
02:00:14.800 --> 02:00:16.279
it? Like I'm really excited for
the people who didn't know what we're talking

1862
02:00:16.279 --> 02:00:20.479
about, who just had the quant
chi aspect of it. Oh yeah,

1863
02:00:21.880 --> 02:00:26.960
from Mortal Combat four, everyone's favorite. I do you remember seeing it and

1864
02:00:27.199 --> 02:00:31.319
my immediory action going like, oh
that is fucking disgusting. That's so vile.

1865
02:00:31.399 --> 02:00:33.720
And Mike was like, Mary,
that is you know based on my

1866
02:00:33.800 --> 02:00:40.680
face. You were talking about the
feet though, and I was like you

1867
02:00:40.720 --> 02:00:46.319
were the first time. So Mary
was like, ah, it's so I'm

1868
02:00:46.319 --> 02:00:55.159
looking at It's like me, she's
vomiting in front of this kid. Disgusting.

1869
02:00:55.399 --> 02:00:58.760
Put it in a closet. People
are like eating skittles out of my

1870
02:00:58.880 --> 02:01:03.920
brain trying to cover it with a
blanket. It's a Weird Life. We'd

1871
02:01:04.319 --> 02:01:09.880
yeah, yeah, good stuff.
Uh we hit that. We hit all

1872
02:01:09.880 --> 02:01:12.880
the games. You want to hear
me talk about MEGAMU five for the Game

1873
02:01:12.920 --> 02:01:18.159
Boy. I think that's about play
right. It has planet Bosses. There's

1874
02:01:18.199 --> 02:01:21.279
a cat, got it. I'll
check it out. All right, it

1875
02:01:21.520 --> 02:01:26.800
is email time. We got a
handful here, and let's just start with

1876
02:01:26.840 --> 02:01:30.880
this one from Jerry Hey Fire Escapist. Apologies if you all get this question

1877
02:01:30.920 --> 02:01:32.119
a lot, but I was wondering, what are your some What are some

1878
02:01:32.199 --> 02:01:36.039
of your all time favorite video game
trailers? Are there any you rewatch or

1879
02:01:36.159 --> 02:01:40.079
go back to over the years.
I personally love watching Old Breath the Wild

1880
02:01:40.119 --> 02:01:42.800
trailers because it reminds me of the
awesome experiences I had with the game,

1881
02:01:43.079 --> 02:01:45.199
all delivered in a three minute hype
reel instead of having to replay through the

1882
02:01:45.319 --> 02:01:49.039
entire game again. Also a potential
follow up question for Dan, have you

1883
02:01:49.079 --> 02:01:54.039
watched the Metal Gear Solid two trailer
or the WrestleMania seventeen Stone Could Burst the

1884
02:01:54.119 --> 02:01:57.640
Rock Olympus Get My Way video package
more in your lifetime? Love the show?

1885
02:01:57.680 --> 02:02:00.560
Dan's probably right, Cherry in Wisconsin. I'll get that one out of

1886
02:02:00.600 --> 02:02:03.800
the way first. That is incredibly
close. The middle Gear Solid two trailer

1887
02:02:03.880 --> 02:02:10.039
and the my Way video package probably
them. I bet both of them are

1888
02:02:10.079 --> 02:02:15.000
well over fifty. I would imagine
like I guess a gun to my head,

1889
02:02:15.640 --> 02:02:20.479
my Way, but it's it's very
very close. So but yeah,

1890
02:02:20.680 --> 02:02:24.880
I like this question. Uh,
Like, I definitely do the Breath of

1891
02:02:24.920 --> 02:02:27.960
a while. That trailer was so
good with that music, And around that

1892
02:02:28.039 --> 02:02:31.600
same time, we also had that
Mario Odyssey trailer that had the Superstar thing

1893
02:02:31.760 --> 02:02:36.000
that one. I just watched those
trailers so much. What's interesting is when

1894
02:02:36.000 --> 02:02:40.000
it's a trailer for a game that
like I didn't don't really care that much

1895
02:02:40.039 --> 02:02:43.840
about, and even in retrospective,
like I really liked the trailer for Assassin's

1896
02:02:43.880 --> 02:02:48.359
Creed Revelations, which was like the
second sequel to Assassin's Creed two. It

1897
02:02:48.359 --> 02:02:54.279
had this really intense song by by
wood Kid and it was just like very

1898
02:02:54.399 --> 02:03:00.720
dramatic and it was like the snare
drums wing from from and it was like

1899
02:03:00.760 --> 02:03:03.239
all old now and like sad,
and I was like, this is important.

1900
02:03:03.880 --> 02:03:08.039
I remember being at the E three
that year. It was when like

1901
02:03:08.560 --> 02:03:12.960
Ubisoft's booth was just this giant open
space with the booths surrounding it. And

1902
02:03:13.000 --> 02:03:15.680
there's this giant screen that would would
play like Rapids go to the Moon or

1903
02:03:15.680 --> 02:03:18.600
whatever and just dance, but then
every other one it would play that one.

1904
02:03:18.640 --> 02:03:20.800
I was stuck in some line and
when that one came on, I

1905
02:03:20.800 --> 02:03:24.159
was like, here we go,
here's the good shit again. He's gonna

1906
02:03:24.159 --> 02:03:27.439
get looking real sad. They're going
to hang him. Then the last second's

1907
02:03:27.439 --> 02:03:30.760
gonna stab him instead, and I'm
gonna think it's pretty freaking cool. But

1908
02:03:30.920 --> 02:03:33.600
so that trailer great, the game
that was okay, Mary, I have

1909
02:03:33.680 --> 02:03:38.600
to ask, I know how much
Gears means to you? Were you because

1910
02:03:38.640 --> 02:03:41.760
like with the first on the Mad
World trailer, like, did you know

1911
02:03:41.920 --> 02:03:44.319
when that trailer came Like, were
you into it when you first saw that

1912
02:03:44.359 --> 02:03:47.319
before you played the game? Yeah? This was gonna be my absolute generic

1913
02:03:47.359 --> 02:03:51.600
answer. You have me one percent. The Mad World trailer was like iconic

1914
02:03:51.720 --> 02:03:57.199
for me growing up, Like this
was like the song that I was listening

1915
02:03:57.199 --> 02:04:03.560
to on my iPod which I had
walking to college. I listened to this

1916
02:04:03.680 --> 02:04:09.479
song regularly. When it was associated
with Gears, I was like one hundred

1917
02:04:09.520 --> 02:04:13.600
percent. So in I was like, this is genius marketing. I love

1918
02:04:13.640 --> 02:04:17.960
both of these worlds together. I
also think it changed video game trailers forever.

1919
02:04:18.399 --> 02:04:24.119
When it may they were all sudden
period. What I was talking about

1920
02:04:24.199 --> 02:04:27.239
with Revelations was exactly a response to
that. It was the same kind of

1921
02:04:27.319 --> 02:04:31.119
vibe. Yes, I think somebody
brilliantly in their marketing world was like,

1922
02:04:31.199 --> 02:04:36.640
let's have a nice solemn, slow
song and put violence to it. And

1923
02:04:36.640 --> 02:04:41.960
everyone was like, that's crazy,
You're crazy, and it was like epic

1924
02:04:42.039 --> 02:04:45.439
and ultimate and and to this day, I have Mad World favorited on my

1925
02:04:46.800 --> 02:04:50.760
you know, on my Spotify playlist, Like it's just a really good song

1926
02:04:50.840 --> 02:04:55.399
and it does make me think of
Gears, and I think it's the perfect

1927
02:04:55.479 --> 02:04:59.439
embodiment of this question. I don't
think it's an original or exciting answer,

1928
02:04:59.439 --> 02:05:00.960
but I think it is like the
ultimate answer, and it makes you kind

1929
02:05:01.000 --> 02:05:05.960
of happy, makes you kind of
sad. It's it's funny because the dreams

1930
02:05:05.960 --> 02:05:12.760
in which Dan's dying is the best
I've ever had. It's funny because I

1931
02:05:12.880 --> 02:05:15.560
like Gears. I kind of fell
off it by a time four and five

1932
02:05:15.600 --> 02:05:16.680
came around, I haven't really thought
about much. I didn't think i'd care

1933
02:05:16.720 --> 02:05:20.800
about a new one, but that
new trailers they brought in Mad World back

1934
02:05:20.840 --> 02:05:27.560
then they were like, let's just
go just a little snow slower and sadder

1935
02:05:28.680 --> 02:05:32.680
one hundred on board with the merchants
to day now. I mean, like

1936
02:05:32.800 --> 02:05:36.359
all of mine are middle year ones
for the most part, and I have

1937
02:05:36.399 --> 02:05:39.239
different feelings about like all of them. But like, if I had a

1938
02:05:39.279 --> 02:05:41.359
point one, it is the middle
gear slid two to one. When you

1939
02:05:41.399 --> 02:05:44.119
first saw what that looked like,
it was like eighty three two thousand or

1940
02:05:44.159 --> 02:05:46.840
something, Oh my gosh, that
was just that was like the trailer of

1941
02:05:46.840 --> 02:05:49.960
trailers at the time. Nothing ever
looked like a bigger leap than that.

1942
02:05:50.039 --> 02:05:53.319
It was insane. It was.
It just seemed voodoo. I mean,

1943
02:05:53.479 --> 02:05:57.560
going from like the fucking like the
what the first one looked like and then

1944
02:05:57.720 --> 02:06:00.439
being like, no, there's no
way the PlayStation two can like this.

1945
02:06:00.560 --> 02:06:02.520
That's fucking insane. Like that was
the one that famously, you know,

1946
02:06:02.560 --> 02:06:05.520
he would play on a loop ad
at e three two thousand and just everyone

1947
02:06:05.560 --> 02:06:09.439
stopped and everyone watched it and no
one could stop talking about it. And

1948
02:06:09.479 --> 02:06:13.079
I'm sure I had to like download
a super compressed, shitty real player version

1949
02:06:13.119 --> 02:06:16.359
of it off of IGN or something
in two thousand, but like it just

1950
02:06:16.439 --> 02:06:20.600
it seemed impossible, and then like
also you factor in all the weird Kajima

1951
02:06:20.640 --> 02:06:24.520
shit he was doing with it,
where he was manipulating it to hide the

1952
02:06:24.520 --> 02:06:26.880
fact that you don't play a snake
for most of these things, like he's

1953
02:06:26.920 --> 02:06:30.800
like inserting scenes that don't happen in
the helicopter fight on the George Washington Bridge

1954
02:06:30.840 --> 02:06:32.720
and all that, like just to
kind of throw you off. Like that

1955
02:06:32.800 --> 02:06:35.079
was kind of like the earliest like
you know, Kajima did stuff with like

1956
02:06:35.119 --> 02:06:38.760
metal Gear in game with a person
one that like threw you off, but

1957
02:06:38.840 --> 02:06:42.319
like straight up manipulating the audience and
like being like, well, this guy

1958
02:06:42.399 --> 02:06:45.399
is he's willing to like fuck with
us. Yeah, it's the first time

1959
02:06:45.399 --> 02:06:48.479
that I think there's probably a big
advertising campaign for a metal Gear game at

1960
02:06:48.479 --> 02:06:51.079
this point, right, Like,
you know, the Melgear games were popular

1961
02:06:51.199 --> 02:06:56.199
enough, the you know eight bid
six whatever. Once Melgar Salid won being

1962
02:06:56.239 --> 02:06:59.680
such a big deal as kind of
a surprise, like I was somebody that,

1963
02:07:00.079 --> 02:07:01.119
yes, I didn't even really know
what metal Gear was. I just

1964
02:07:01.159 --> 02:07:04.600
cared about Mugar saw it because it
got all these amazing reviews. So you

1965
02:07:04.640 --> 02:07:08.720
know, Megasawid two is just one
of the most hype video games. Ever,

1966
02:07:08.800 --> 02:07:12.840
and then it just came out swinging
with this incredible trailer for a system

1967
02:07:12.840 --> 02:07:15.159
that was still very new that people
were very excited about it. It was

1968
02:07:15.199 --> 02:07:17.960
the biggest deal in the world,
and he just kept doing it. I

1969
02:07:17.960 --> 02:07:19.880
mean, like, you know,
Snake Eater having that like, you know,

1970
02:07:20.079 --> 02:07:25.520
very stylized Bond movie trailer was incredible. And then there was that the

1971
02:07:25.600 --> 02:07:28.399
Phantom Pain one that had that New
Order song in it, and it was

1972
02:07:28.439 --> 02:07:30.720
just like just every Metal Year trailer. I've gone through it and like almost

1973
02:07:30.720 --> 02:07:33.319
like frame by frame, what the
fuck is that horn coming out of his

1974
02:07:33.399 --> 02:07:36.600
head and this cool New Order music
is playing. There was a twenty seven

1975
02:07:36.640 --> 02:07:41.520
minute Twin Snakes trailer in like two
thousand and three. Remember that. It

1976
02:07:41.640 --> 02:07:44.600
was like most of the games,
it was all of the fucking cut scenes.

1977
02:07:44.760 --> 02:07:47.840
And I swear to god, I
watched that thing numerous times daily in

1978
02:07:47.920 --> 02:07:51.399
my dorm room in college. I
can't believe they put out a twenty seven

1979
02:07:51.439 --> 02:07:56.079
minute trailer and I watched all of
it over and over. The fucking Snake

1980
02:07:56.079 --> 02:07:59.680
Eater one where I'm watching it like
theorizing with people on the message boards,

1981
02:07:59.680 --> 02:08:01.960
like oh, here's how you can
tell it's a virtual mission that like half

1982
02:08:01.079 --> 02:08:03.039
it's gonna be in the sixties and
half of it is gonna be after Metal

1983
02:08:03.119 --> 02:08:07.159
Your solid too, and like Kajima
knowing that fans are picking it apart that

1984
02:08:07.159 --> 02:08:09.399
way and fucking with people and even
like Destrand and all that, like Kajima

1985
02:08:09.439 --> 02:08:13.159
is just on like, look,
I'm preaching the choir like having people people

1986
02:08:13.199 --> 02:08:18.000
know this, you know, but
without a doubt, it's every Kajema trailer

1987
02:08:18.000 --> 02:08:24.479
for me. Bonus points to the
Dead Island original trailer God that had a

1988
02:08:24.520 --> 02:08:31.359
really devastating family get murdered in slow
motion in reverse, and I think it

1989
02:08:31.520 --> 02:08:37.079
ends on the dead child like girls, like a small dead girl's eyes.

1990
02:08:37.279 --> 02:08:46.880
It's just wild. Game is silly. Didn't love the silly game that I

1991
02:08:46.880 --> 02:08:48.680
didn't love, but like this trailer
that got everyone's attention. Then a fucking

1992
02:08:48.720 --> 02:08:54.119
special addition of just like Bloody Woman
Torso everything around that game was just weird,

1993
02:08:54.319 --> 02:08:58.520
you know, like yeah, not
not not huge on that series.

1994
02:08:58.840 --> 02:09:01.439
The next one. I'm just gonna
read this. I don't know if this

1995
02:09:01.479 --> 02:09:05.560
is a question, but it says
muppet Mike, so I think it's it's

1996
02:09:05.640 --> 02:09:11.199
it's for Mike. Muppet Mike.
Dude is ranking months based on what food

1997
02:09:11.319 --> 02:09:16.600
reservations he gets. Question Mark,
what a muppet? Also, Danny O'Dwyer

1998
02:09:16.720 --> 02:09:20.239
is more Irish. Pocket Brock would
still beat his ass. The alphabet has

1999
02:09:20.279 --> 02:09:24.359
a letter in it called oh.
Sounds like oh, look it up,

2000
02:09:24.399 --> 02:09:28.039
dog. They ain't all a's rock, flag and eagle. That's an email?

2001
02:09:28.199 --> 02:09:33.800
What that's for? Mike? He
wasn't here to defend himself. Well,

2002
02:09:33.840 --> 02:09:37.600
I just I just want to make
sure that's the that's for Maharty,

2003
02:09:37.680 --> 02:09:41.760
not me. I believe that.
Are you now the most Irish man in

2004
02:09:41.800 --> 02:09:48.000
games? You're Italian? Hey remembered, Buddy, Good job? There you

2005
02:09:48.039 --> 02:09:52.039
go. All right? He can't
fucking remember a conversation we had five minutes

2006
02:09:52.039 --> 02:09:56.239
ago. You should be very blessed. And it's confusing with a name like

2007
02:09:56.279 --> 02:10:01.319
MINAUGHTI that could be anything. It
could be anybody. Hello Byronscape crew on

2008
02:10:01.359 --> 02:10:05.680
the recent episode eight forty one of
the Giant BombCast, during a new segment

2009
02:10:05.720 --> 02:10:09.359
discussing a rumored total or okay,
narks stuff, narks stuff, Okay?

2010
02:10:09.560 --> 02:10:13.359
What other areas of gaming are blind
spots for you? All? Where you

2011
02:10:13.439 --> 02:10:16.720
know something has a huge audience but
you were completely oblivious to in parentheses,

2012
02:10:16.760 --> 02:10:20.680
have got FIFA Madden Mobile Games,
roadblocks. Well, I mean, I'll

2013
02:10:20.720 --> 02:10:24.960
say all that does in Pennsylvania.
Yeah, literally, FIFA Madden Mobile Gaming

2014
02:10:24.960 --> 02:10:30.479
and roadblocks. I'll say all of
those. Also, oh at Arma and

2015
02:10:30.920 --> 02:10:37.560
Tarkov and all the Legends League of
Legends, doda uh kind of any online

2016
02:10:37.600 --> 02:10:41.840
heavy multiplayers. When I say oblivious
to, like, I mean, I

2017
02:10:41.880 --> 02:10:43.880
know I know all of them,
but I do not play them. And

2018
02:10:43.880 --> 02:10:50.399
I wouldn't pretend to know anything about
like any of these total war games.

2019
02:10:50.520 --> 02:10:54.079
I just don't. I don't know. It's just probably not something that I

2020
02:10:54.119 --> 02:11:00.279
plan on delving into. I try. I like being well rounded, and

2021
02:11:00.359 --> 02:11:05.399
I think I generally do a pretty
good job. It's impossible to do everything.

2022
02:11:07.319 --> 02:11:09.560
Like, you know, I play
some sports games, but I even

2023
02:11:09.640 --> 02:11:13.039
played a Madden in Forever or an
NBA two K in forever, and for

2024
02:11:13.119 --> 02:11:16.800
some people that's a home. I
played the NBA Ones when they did the

2025
02:11:16.840 --> 02:11:18.560
face scanning. Yeah, it was
even. Like even if it's a sport

2026
02:11:18.600 --> 02:11:22.880
I like, like I love baseball, I don't play the show every year,

2027
02:11:22.920 --> 02:11:24.520
even though it's always good, it's
still kind of just the same game.

2028
02:11:24.600 --> 02:11:28.199
I just you know, I got
I'd rather be prioritizing other things.

2029
02:11:28.239 --> 02:11:30.920
I say, you know, strategy
games like I play, you know,

2030
02:11:30.960 --> 02:11:33.399
I play some here and there like
a sieve, but never touched a Warhammer,

2031
02:11:33.439 --> 02:11:37.239
which I think if you asked a
strategy fan, did you be a

2032
02:11:37.239 --> 02:11:39.960
fan of this genre or not play
a total Warhammer, I think they would

2033
02:11:39.960 --> 02:11:43.119
scoff at you. So yeah,
not really thinking mobile is just I just

2034
02:11:43.119 --> 02:11:46.279
don't like playing games on my phone. So that's a different. Fighting games

2035
02:11:46.319 --> 02:11:50.640
as well that are massive that I
just have never really gotten super into the

2036
02:11:50.640 --> 02:11:56.760
techans. It's not that they're you
know, it's just that is you have

2037
02:11:56.800 --> 02:11:58.199
to be kind of committed. You'd
be quite good when you play. It's

2038
02:11:58.199 --> 02:12:01.760
hard to be a kind of casual
fighting game fan these days. Consider myself

2039
02:12:01.760 --> 02:12:05.960
a casual Immortal Kombat player. Yeah, that's why I love the ones that

2040
02:12:07.000 --> 02:12:09.840
are like giving good solo player options
of like Immortal Kombat is kind of the

2041
02:12:09.880 --> 02:12:13.600
trailblazer with like we're gonna give you
a fun story mode you don't need to

2042
02:12:13.640 --> 02:12:16.840
fucking you know, learn all this
shit like or ones that are giving you

2043
02:12:16.880 --> 02:12:20.479
better control methods or like you know, easier more accessible stuff like Street Fighter

2044
02:12:20.520 --> 02:12:22.359
does that. Tecan's got a lot
of story mode and single player stuff.

2045
02:12:22.399 --> 02:12:26.000
So like, I'm very much in
that boat too. I'm never going to

2046
02:12:26.039 --> 02:12:28.079
be a competitive fighting game guy,
but I do love fighting games and the

2047
02:12:28.159 --> 02:12:31.079
characters and how wacky they are and
everything, so like, I yeah,

2048
02:12:31.159 --> 02:12:37.000
I think we're all kind of aligned
on that. StarCraft did that as well,

2049
02:12:37.159 --> 02:12:39.840
and I think it's like the only
way that I can play a game

2050
02:12:39.960 --> 02:12:43.800
like that is to be able to
play a story mode and just ease my

2051
02:12:43.880 --> 02:12:48.199
way into it and enjoy it on
my own time without feeling the heavy pressure

2052
02:12:48.439 --> 02:12:52.560
of an opponent saying that I suck
so much. I don't want to play

2053
02:12:52.600 --> 02:12:56.960
games with random people online really,
Like I just am I the only Momo

2054
02:12:58.159 --> 02:13:01.239
person here. Yes, I love
MMOs oh so much. I don't even

2055
02:13:01.279 --> 02:13:03.800
like I play him constantly, so
I don't really talk about him a lot.

2056
02:13:03.920 --> 02:13:07.279
This is like I'm on podcas,
Like I don't need to tell people

2057
02:13:07.279 --> 02:13:11.600
that I've been playing Found Fantasy fourteen
again, because of course I am.

2058
02:13:11.640 --> 02:13:13.760
You know, there's like an expansion
drop, I'll bring it up, but

2059
02:13:13.960 --> 02:13:16.560
god, that's it. But it's
funny because like I do notice like that

2060
02:13:16.560 --> 02:13:18.560
that is one. It's like a
very even split. It feels like amongst

2061
02:13:18.640 --> 02:13:22.560
kind of our peers, right,
Like, some people are in those scenes

2062
02:13:22.560 --> 02:13:24.000
and I'll see them at those MMO
events, and then there's a lot of

2063
02:13:24.000 --> 02:13:28.760
people just aren't going to touch that
twenty foot pool. There's a lot of

2064
02:13:28.760 --> 02:13:33.840
Giant Bomb people who play Final Fantasy
fourteen, and I know that because a

2065
02:13:33.880 --> 02:13:37.359
buddy of mine, Nina Freeman,
was playing Final Fantasy and when some she

2066
02:13:37.479 --> 02:13:43.039
met some Giant Bomb fans that knew
her, they would give her lots of

2067
02:13:43.079 --> 02:13:45.640
gifts and make sure that she had
all the good stuff. And they were

2068
02:13:45.680 --> 02:13:48.399
like super friendly and we're like,
you're part of our crew now, and

2069
02:13:48.399 --> 02:13:52.960
they like make sure she had all
the good Final Fantasy whatever items, you

2070
02:13:52.000 --> 02:13:54.600
know, the choke, a boserver, the shit they do. Yeah,

2071
02:13:54.680 --> 02:13:58.000
I gotta get the Gieschel Greens for
the check well, yeah, shout outs

2072
02:13:58.000 --> 02:14:01.479
the Donko. That's the guild over
there. I thought it was very nice

2073
02:14:01.479 --> 02:14:07.159
how friendly they were and immediately inviting
to outsiders, especially who are other Giant

2074
02:14:07.159 --> 02:14:11.319
Bomb fans. And I find that
very cute in general, that who knew

2075
02:14:11.680 --> 02:14:16.880
that within Final Fantasy there would be
a Vinco group of Giant Bomb people that

2076
02:14:16.960 --> 02:14:22.079
are so sweet and so welcoming and
that's it's not my jam. But how

2077
02:14:22.119 --> 02:14:24.680
lovely is it that they were like, Yay, We're so glad you're here.

2078
02:14:24.720 --> 02:14:26.880
Here's a bunch of items and friendly
faces. It's just lovely. I

2079
02:14:28.119 --> 02:14:31.560
think that's free fans and not staff, because I think Manadi is the only

2080
02:14:31.600 --> 02:14:37.000
person I know that plays them all
people like people who listen or watch Giant.

2081
02:14:37.119 --> 02:14:39.079
Yeah. Sure, the vibes of
Fantasy fourteen is very good. One

2082
02:14:39.119 --> 02:14:41.319
of the best things about that game
is the community is just very nice.

2083
02:14:41.680 --> 02:14:45.720
You do not get that with bus
other embo. Not that everyone's an asshole,

2084
02:14:45.800 --> 02:14:48.760
but you know, it's a bit
more what you expect from just online

2085
02:14:48.840 --> 02:14:52.439
video game people. If you're playing
a World of Warcraft, for example,

2086
02:14:54.239 --> 02:14:56.399
Uh, here's another one, hey
escapees. A couple of weeks ago,

2087
02:14:56.520 --> 02:15:01.119
on a BombCast, Jeff Grubb brought
up the Total War series to mention the

2088
02:15:01.159 --> 02:15:05.199
recently rumored Star Wars edition in the
franchise, Dan fully ignorant asked what kind

2089
02:15:05.199 --> 02:15:11.560
of games are those and seemed genuinely
curious to check them out after Grubb described

2090
02:15:11.600 --> 02:15:18.279
the gameplay these fucking marks man.
I'm sorry, Mike, So my question

2091
02:15:18.439 --> 02:15:20.840
is, what is something that a
person told you to check out in music,

2092
02:15:20.960 --> 02:15:24.359
video games, TV shows that you
completely ignored and forgot about until somebody

2093
02:15:24.399 --> 02:15:30.800
else mentioned the same thing. Cheers
Jeremy from Montreal. Immediate one that comes,

2094
02:15:30.960 --> 02:15:33.279
by the way, I love.
Is it not obvious that I'm joking

2095
02:15:33.399 --> 02:15:35.720
when I do that? I,
I mean, it seems obvious to be

2096
02:15:35.880 --> 02:15:39.960
dan, But okay, I can't
expect everyone. I think they know,

2097
02:15:41.039 --> 02:15:46.840
but I think they're just want to
make sure exhausted. I see, Okay,

2098
02:15:46.920 --> 02:15:50.960
that makes sense. My answer for
this would be I remember my entire

2099
02:15:52.039 --> 02:15:54.439
life growing up. My dad would
give me so much shit for like,

2100
02:15:54.720 --> 02:15:58.199
you don't respect for Springsteen enough.
Here, you're an idiot, listen why

2101
02:15:58.199 --> 02:16:01.319
why don't you listen to person Springsteen? And like it was always in that

2102
02:16:01.359 --> 02:16:03.479
way of like you're a dumb ass
for not you don't do this enough.

2103
02:16:03.520 --> 02:16:07.600
You're fucking this up. You know
you should listen to Springsteen more. And

2104
02:16:07.720 --> 02:16:09.279
I was just kind of like I
just never really did. And then,

2105
02:16:09.720 --> 02:16:13.199
uh, you know, like twenty
eleven, twenty twelve, I was dating

2106
02:16:13.199 --> 02:16:16.079
a girl and she was really in
a spring scene. But her approach was

2107
02:16:16.159 --> 02:16:18.920
just like, oh yeah, I
think he would really like him, like

2108
02:16:18.920 --> 02:16:20.000
he really fits in, like he
like Pop Dylan, he like Neil Young,

2109
02:16:20.039 --> 02:16:22.439
you like the stuff singer songwriter type
stuff here, you know, start

2110
02:16:22.479 --> 02:16:24.640
with you know, here's Nebraska,
Here's you know, Born to Run,

2111
02:16:24.640 --> 02:16:28.039
Here's all this stuff, and like, you know, help me get into

2112
02:16:28.079 --> 02:16:30.560
it. And then suddenly I was
like I was like, oh shit,

2113
02:16:30.600 --> 02:16:33.959
Bruce Springsteen's awesome. And then you
know, when I got into him,

2114
02:16:33.079 --> 02:16:37.799
my Dad's like, I guess you
like it even good as you didn't like

2115
02:16:37.879 --> 02:16:41.399
it. It's like, no,
somebody just like you were a dick with

2116
02:16:41.440 --> 02:16:43.719
the way you were trying to like
get me into it. And then somebody

2117
02:16:43.799 --> 02:16:46.280
was like genuinely trying to like help
me get into it in the right way.

2118
02:16:46.440 --> 02:16:48.440
So that's why I was, I
guess ignoring the first time around,

2119
02:16:48.479 --> 02:16:54.879
and then came around. Yeah,
my tastes are so well defined. I

2120
02:16:54.879 --> 02:16:56.959
think that most of my friends just
kind of I don't know, they already

2121
02:16:56.959 --> 02:17:00.920
know and I already know too.
I don't get like a lot of recommendations

2122
02:17:00.920 --> 02:17:03.280
that aren't things that I'm already going
to do. Have you tried Infinite Jest

2123
02:17:03.280 --> 02:17:09.280
by David Foster Wallace? No,
I've not go play it. Go read

2124
02:17:09.319 --> 02:17:13.399
that, Go read that, bad
Boy. I'll get right on that one.

2125
02:17:13.360 --> 02:17:16.040
Like for me, it's more like
just things like I'm just not like

2126
02:17:16.200 --> 02:17:20.520
ready, what infinite jest? Wait
was that random? Or did you just

2127
02:17:20.520 --> 02:17:26.479
see the next one? Mary,
It's it's random. Oh okay, okay,

2128
02:17:28.040 --> 02:17:31.520
okay, look at this. It
was a nineteen ninety six novel is

2129
02:17:31.760 --> 02:17:35.280
featured in Time Magazine's list of the
one hundred best. Wow. Very cool.

2130
02:17:35.879 --> 02:17:37.239
I can't wait to hear your review
of it. Okay, yeah,

2131
02:17:37.360 --> 02:17:41.440
one thousand pages, that seems yeah, I'll get right out. For me,

2132
02:17:41.479 --> 02:17:48.479
it's more just sounds like two God, it's like reading the Bible.

2133
02:17:48.479 --> 02:17:52.079
For me, it's just usually like
suddenly, Mike, something shifts to my

2134
02:17:52.120 --> 02:17:56.559
personality a bit and new things open
up, Like I couldn't touch any horror

2135
02:17:56.600 --> 02:18:00.799
things, especially like video games maybe, but in a movie not at all

2136
02:18:01.319 --> 02:18:05.360
until a few years ago, where
like suddenly I'm like, okay, I

2137
02:18:05.399 --> 02:18:07.360
can watch the shining and the thing, and oh, it turns out these

2138
02:18:07.440 --> 02:18:11.879
these are very very good and I
like those a lot. Like and so

2139
02:18:11.000 --> 02:18:15.239
that kind of extends to other things
like playing more scary games or you know,

2140
02:18:15.280 --> 02:18:18.879
like I love theme parks. Obviously, Universal does these Halloween whre nights

2141
02:18:18.879 --> 02:18:24.879
where they have very elaborately themed haunted
houses that are always themes specifically to like

2142
02:18:24.200 --> 02:18:28.319
certain movies and stuff. I would
never consider doing that, and now I

2143
02:18:28.360 --> 02:18:31.000
want to do all that stuff,
So not really turning it out recommendations,

2144
02:18:31.040 --> 02:18:37.200
but some sometimes switches just randomly flip
and then I'm into new things. But

2145
02:18:37.280 --> 02:18:41.360
I have never throw away the old
things. I honestly find that like that

2146
02:18:41.520 --> 02:18:43.520
is the thing that has been very
rewarding in the last like ten years or

2147
02:18:43.520 --> 02:18:46.280
so for me, is like when
you give something new a shot and like

2148
02:18:46.280 --> 02:18:48.239
a lot of times it's still not
going to be for you, but like

2149
02:18:48.280 --> 02:18:52.440
when you go in like we're talking
about Disneyland earlier, it's like it's always

2150
02:18:52.440 --> 02:18:54.319
all a good thing. What's the
worst case scenario, the thing that you

2151
02:18:54.360 --> 02:18:58.360
thought you wouldn't be into, you're
still not into it. But then there's

2152
02:18:58.399 --> 02:19:01.040
the best case scenario where you get
something a shot and you're like, oh,

2153
02:19:01.040 --> 02:19:01.680
now I've got this new thing that
I like, you know, like

2154
02:19:01.879 --> 02:19:05.200
now I was thinking about Disneyland,
Like god, damn, next time we're

2155
02:19:05.200 --> 02:19:07.680
all in LA I would love to
do another trip and like go a whole

2156
02:19:07.680 --> 02:19:09.680
different route and everything, and you
know, yeah, there's still things you

2157
02:19:09.719 --> 02:19:13.360
haven't seen. I mean, I
kind of feel bad. You always talked

2158
02:19:13.360 --> 02:19:16.079
about much you have New Orleans.
We were in the New Orleans theme section

2159
02:19:16.159 --> 02:19:20.639
Disneyland for like a moment, but
it's just you know, kind of running

2160
02:19:20.680 --> 02:19:24.520
around a practice, right. Yeah. I still you to Trader Sam's a

2161
02:19:24.559 --> 02:19:26.680
tiki bar, which is super cool, but that's more near the hotel.

2162
02:19:26.760 --> 02:19:30.719
But it's so fun. Yeah,
there's a million, million million things we

2163
02:19:30.719 --> 02:19:33.639
can still do there, and god
forbid we ever go to Disney World.

2164
02:19:33.680 --> 02:19:35.959
We need a whole week. Boy, is it the same as it was

2165
02:19:35.959 --> 02:19:41.479
in nineteen ninety four when I went
or whatever her added? They've added a

2166
02:19:41.520 --> 02:19:43.920
few things except for the Star Wars
hotel. They added that and it's gone

2167
02:19:43.920 --> 02:19:48.760
out. I went to Typhoon Lagoon. That was fun. Typhoon Lagoon's fun.

2168
02:19:48.760 --> 02:19:50.600
I don't do a lot of the
big slides there, but they have

2169
02:19:50.600 --> 02:19:52.520
a wave pool that's exciting. It's
a good wave pool. Mary ever tried

2170
02:19:52.520 --> 02:19:56.760
the wave pool a Typhoon Lagoon.
That's my recommendation for you. That's just

2171
02:19:56.799 --> 02:20:01.799
a piss palace. I don't think
something. I know it is. I

2172
02:20:01.920 --> 02:20:05.920
know it is because you can smell
the chlorine from like four hundred feet away.

2173
02:20:05.159 --> 02:20:11.799
At least you can't smell the piss. That is the pissin is activated

2174
02:20:11.840 --> 02:20:18.319
by pis. Oh, I know
that you smell chlorine that is activated chloris

2175
02:20:18.920 --> 02:20:24.440
chen to piss. What the vomit
dust is to vomit? Oh? Oh,

2176
02:20:24.479 --> 02:20:28.639
you just activated a very like a
very strong smell memory in me.

2177
02:20:28.680 --> 02:20:31.559
And I don't like that. One
vomit elementary school. They still do solve

2178
02:20:31.600 --> 02:20:37.319
it? Do it? What would
be the new solution? Elementary school?

2179
02:20:37.319 --> 02:20:41.799
And see what happens To break it
to an elementary school and vomit. That'll

2180
02:20:41.799 --> 02:20:46.760
go fantastic. Your kids puke,
Oh yeah, kid's puke all the time.

2181
02:20:46.799 --> 02:20:48.879
Still, like when I had never
nieces. I don't believe how much

2182
02:20:48.920 --> 02:20:56.799
they can't believe to throw up.
I'm glad I don't throw up very often

2183
02:20:56.840 --> 02:21:01.639
anymore. That was that's arobably miserable. I'm the Game Awards this year.

2184
02:21:01.680 --> 02:21:07.639
I got a food bug and I
puked for two weeks. Oh no,

2185
02:21:07.399 --> 02:21:11.000
I know it was right after the
Game Awards. I don't know what I

2186
02:21:11.120 --> 02:21:16.799
had, but I woke up two
in the morning and it was bad.

2187
02:21:16.760 --> 02:21:20.000
I won't go into too many I
gotta tell you this one part though,

2188
02:21:20.520 --> 02:21:24.920
I was really sick. And my
flight home was that morning at like nine

2189
02:21:24.959 --> 02:21:28.799
am, and I was up all
night puking and like at it everywhere.

2190
02:21:28.879 --> 02:21:33.760
It was gross. I was disgusting, and I like put on the clothes

2191
02:21:33.760 --> 02:21:35.559
that I could. I laid down
on the ground until like the minute I

2192
02:21:35.639 --> 02:21:41.079
had to fucking get in the car. I haven't eaten or even had an

2193
02:21:41.120 --> 02:21:43.559
ounce of water. I just can't. I can't have anything in my body.

2194
02:21:43.600 --> 02:21:48.680
But I'm really thirsty. When I
arrived at the airport and I realized

2195
02:21:48.680 --> 02:21:52.799
as I'm going through security that I
have a full bottle of water right,

2196
02:21:52.840 --> 02:21:54.000
and I'm like, oh, I
should have a sip of water. I'll

2197
02:21:54.040 --> 02:21:58.920
dump it out right as I go
through the security checkpoint, and I have

2198
02:22:00.079 --> 02:22:01.680
a sip and I dump out my
water. And as I put my bag

2199
02:22:01.760 --> 02:22:07.360
through the scanner, I realized I
am going to puke. And I go

2200
02:22:07.520 --> 02:22:09.559
back to the area where you dump
your water bottle and I puked in it,

2201
02:22:11.159 --> 02:22:18.120
oh, in front of a whole
line. They ignored it and said

2202
02:22:18.559 --> 02:22:22.600
walk on through. They did not
want anything to do with me. They

2203
02:22:22.600 --> 02:22:26.680
wanted me out of their sight.
And I picked up my bags embarrassingly and

2204
02:22:26.760 --> 02:22:30.159
I got on that fucking plane and
I went home, but I was like,

2205
02:22:30.239 --> 02:22:33.159
I cannot. I don't think I've
ever been so embarrassed to puke in

2206
02:22:33.200 --> 02:22:37.920
front of the entire TSA. I
would be so anxious if I was puky

2207
02:22:37.959 --> 02:22:41.440
and I was about to go on
the Great sky Tube for a while.

2208
02:22:41.479 --> 02:22:43.079
Okay, that's not where I want
to be. That's not where I want

2209
02:22:43.120 --> 02:22:46.959
to be when I'm like that.
I had to take a lot of bathroom

2210
02:22:46.000 --> 02:22:48.879
breaks. That was a really miserable
experience. And then I didn't eat again,

2211
02:22:48.959 --> 02:22:52.360
Like I didn't. That was like
the day after right. I didn't

2212
02:22:52.360 --> 02:22:54.799
eat for two weeks. I went
to the doctor because I was like,

2213
02:22:56.159 --> 02:22:58.079
you have to eat at some point, right, And she looked at me

2214
02:22:58.159 --> 02:23:01.559
and in a very nice way,
I was like, you'll be okay for

2215
02:23:01.719 --> 02:23:03.799
like at least another week. And
I was like, you bitch. I

2216
02:23:05.399 --> 02:23:07.200
She was basically like, you got
enough body fat on you that you're gonna

2217
02:23:07.200 --> 02:23:13.159
go. It's like fine, And
I ate within like another twenty four hours.

2218
02:23:13.159 --> 02:23:16.920
But yeah, it was like the
longest period of like seeing miss I've

2219
02:23:16.959 --> 02:23:22.319
ever had. Yeah, that's my
game. That's my Game Awards story from

2220
02:23:22.399 --> 02:23:26.639
this last year. Wow, my
my nightmare scenario for this next couple of

2221
02:23:26.639 --> 02:23:28.760
weeks is something that I picture the
scenario many times, and this is how

2222
02:23:28.760 --> 02:23:33.360
my anxiety works, and that I'm
going to get the surgery a week from

2223
02:23:33.360 --> 02:23:37.719
tonight as we record this, and
you can't breathe through your nose, and

2224
02:23:37.920 --> 02:23:39.159
also you know, like when you
puke, you know how it goes up

2225
02:23:39.159 --> 02:23:43.159
through your nose. Some definitely like
there's a scientist component, Yeah, totally.

2226
02:23:43.479 --> 02:23:48.040
So my head's gonna be fucking carved
out like a jack of lantern.

2227
02:23:48.079 --> 02:23:50.319
It's all just gonna be this big, bloody wound inside my head. I'm

2228
02:23:50.319 --> 02:23:54.559
not allowed to blow my nose and
I can't breathe through my nose. So

2229
02:23:54.639 --> 02:23:58.559
I feel like once I'm out of
the surgery and I come to I'm going

2230
02:23:58.639 --> 02:24:01.840
to be so just like freaked out
by not being able to breathe through my

2231
02:24:01.879 --> 02:24:05.120
nose that I'm gonna have I'm gonna
work myself up and have a panic attack,

2232
02:24:05.559 --> 02:24:07.479
and then I'm gonna go to throw
up, and I'm gonna throw up

2233
02:24:07.559 --> 02:24:11.559
and it's gonna go into my nose, but I can't blow my nose,

2234
02:24:11.799 --> 02:24:15.360
so I'm having a panic attack and
my nose is filled with vomit and the

2235
02:24:15.360 --> 02:24:18.200
inside of my head is just an
open wound, and I'm just like losing

2236
02:24:18.200 --> 02:24:20.879
my fucking mind, Like that's that's
how my head works, where it's like

2237
02:24:20.920 --> 02:24:22.840
just picturing all the worst case scenario
as far as this thing that goes it

2238
02:24:22.840 --> 02:24:26.760
don't come out of your ears though, that'd be funny. That sounds fun

2239
02:24:26.879 --> 02:24:30.159
Yeah, that sounds good. Yeah, So I hope that that doesn't happen.

2240
02:24:30.239 --> 02:24:33.840
Mike. Honestly, what you said
about the pain meds recently, about

2241
02:24:33.840 --> 02:24:35.239
how he stopped in the middle of
the stairs and we're like, I've never

2242
02:24:35.239 --> 02:24:39.360
felt better. I hope I have
a a naughty experience with this and just

2243
02:24:39.959 --> 02:24:43.319
relaxed, you know, just yet. Look, if they give you some

2244
02:24:43.559 --> 02:24:46.959
feel good meds, then just take
this. I haven't been on pain meds

2245
02:24:46.000 --> 02:24:48.719
since I had a start when I
was eighteen, So it's been twenty two

2246
02:24:48.799 --> 02:24:52.440
years since I've had any kind of
like non ibuproven pain meds. That's good.

2247
02:24:52.479 --> 02:24:56.040
That means they're gonna definitely work.
That's good news, I hope.

2248
02:24:56.120 --> 02:25:01.559
So yeah, I'm sorry Dad,
poor guy. Once up on the other

2249
02:25:01.600 --> 02:25:03.799
side of this, I feel like
I'm just like a month or two a

2250
02:25:03.799 --> 02:25:05.639
way from me on the other side
of a Visil line, the Sinus Ship

2251
02:25:05.639 --> 02:25:09.079
and all that, And I can
just be a normal forty year old dude.

2252
02:25:09.159 --> 02:25:13.600
That's all I want to get everything. Just have a slight brain issue.

2253
02:25:15.159 --> 02:25:18.360
Yeah, whatever, that's fine.
I'm used to that. That's endearing.

2254
02:25:18.399 --> 02:25:22.079
We all like that. Yeah,
I can say whatever I want to

2255
02:25:22.120 --> 02:25:28.280
them. He'll forget tomorrow anyways,
idiot, very so. Next on podcasts,

2256
02:25:28.319 --> 02:25:35.280
fantastic. I'm sure something nice.
Yeah, both my grandpa's had to

2257
02:25:35.280 --> 02:25:39.680
mention. I'm sure I'll be fine. They're gonna solve that one very soon.

2258
02:25:39.719 --> 02:25:43.120
Don't worry the other time. I'm
baby. Yeah, and we'll be

2259
02:25:43.159 --> 02:25:48.239
fine. Yeah. That and old
age and everything else will be great.

2260
02:25:48.399 --> 02:25:52.840
Oh yeah, alright. People going
to Disneyland over five hundred it's gonna be

2261
02:25:52.879 --> 02:25:56.280
fantastic. I can't wait. Imagine
being five hundred years old and going to

2262
02:25:56.399 --> 02:26:03.319
Disneyland. Stitted. Yeah, you
should have seen good Head of the Night,

2263
02:26:03.440 --> 02:26:07.319
The End of the Night, Levitt. Everyone is so dead tired.

2264
02:26:07.360 --> 02:26:09.239
I think the steroids I'm on right
now for something else are helping. But

2265
02:26:09.360 --> 02:26:11.920
I was still skipping, like,
ah, what are we going on next?

2266
02:26:13.760 --> 02:26:18.200
Else? I die at Disney right
around like eight pm. I'm like

2267
02:26:18.319 --> 02:26:24.120
I don't want to fucking be here
anymore. It depends on the park.

2268
02:26:24.200 --> 02:26:28.559
But Disneyland closed at midnight that night. It is too late. That's too

2269
02:26:28.719 --> 02:26:31.079
late. That he's like eight.
I was there for like yeah, like

2270
02:26:31.159 --> 02:26:35.760
fifteen sixteen hours, and man,
there's like something's exhaust me if by something

2271
02:26:35.760 --> 02:26:39.920
about the parks. Man, It's
like, I gotta maximize hours I got.

2272
02:26:39.959 --> 02:26:43.159
I want to be there when that
rope drops, and I want to

2273
02:26:43.239 --> 02:26:46.079
be out when they kick me out. I gotta be there as long as

2274
02:26:46.120 --> 02:26:50.159
I can. That's the Disney Adults
sickness. I admit it. Who it's

2275
02:26:50.200 --> 02:26:54.559
beautiful, all right. Well,
let's see one more here, howdy.

2276
02:26:54.920 --> 02:26:58.399
On the very first date I had
with my now partners, she was talking

2277
02:26:58.440 --> 02:27:01.319
about this supposedly amazing book, Infinite
Jest, that she had started reading for

2278
02:27:01.440 --> 02:27:05.479
the third time but was never able
to finish. Fuck wait, did you

2279
02:27:07.360 --> 02:27:11.399
ahead? I swear to you really
didn't. I always it is my bit

2280
02:27:11.559 --> 02:27:15.840
that anytime we talk about like a
book that we've recently read, I always

2281
02:27:15.879 --> 02:27:18.959
say Infinite Jest by Daily Foster.
Wa, Holy shit, I thought you

2282
02:27:18.040 --> 02:27:22.440
went ahead. It is like the
joke that I say all the time because

2283
02:27:22.440 --> 02:27:28.000
it's a horribly obnoxiously long book that
mostly like sorry, really obnoxious readers will

2284
02:27:28.000 --> 02:27:30.799
be like, of course, I've
read that book. It's my favorite book,

2285
02:27:31.600 --> 02:27:33.120
So please tell I don't actually have
to read this book. You have

2286
02:27:33.239 --> 02:27:37.040
to read this book. You won't
get through it. There's no way you

2287
02:27:37.079 --> 02:27:39.600
can get through this book. It's
so it's so like long and exhausting.

2288
02:27:39.680 --> 02:27:43.000
I've tried to read this book like
five times. Go on to Jesus okay

2289
02:27:43.239 --> 02:27:46.799
that she started reading for the third
time but was never able to finish.

2290
02:27:46.239 --> 02:27:50.559
Just to talk, just to taunt
her, I decided to read and finish

2291
02:27:50.639 --> 02:27:54.520
it myself because how hard can reading
one book be. It took me about

2292
02:27:54.520 --> 02:27:58.479
a year to do it, and
I hated the first months of it until

2293
02:27:58.520 --> 02:28:01.719
it won me over. And now
it's one of my all time favorite books.

2294
02:28:01.760 --> 02:28:05.479
And I could rub the fact that
I did it in her face on

2295
02:28:05.520 --> 02:28:09.520
a daily basis. I'm making fun
of Phil as we speak, because I

2296
02:28:09.600 --> 02:28:11.799
have not read this email ahead of
time. This is the exact person I'm

2297
02:28:11.840 --> 02:28:16.120
talking about. People who read infinite. You just do it so they can

2298
02:28:16.200 --> 02:28:20.559
say that they read infinite Jess.
This is literally why well he's doing it

2299
02:28:20.680 --> 02:28:22.520
Toatrol, which is like, I
do respect that. That is a lot

2300
02:28:22.559 --> 02:28:28.159
of effort toatrol who does it is? This is why Wow. So Phil

2301
02:28:28.280 --> 02:28:31.680
says, what is the most time
or effort you've put into doing something out

2302
02:28:31.719 --> 02:28:37.239
of spite or just to be an
annoying asshole? Take care Phil from Finland.

2303
02:28:37.920 --> 02:28:41.040
I'm I'm not a very spiteful person. Usually things are targeted at me,

2304
02:28:41.799 --> 02:28:46.840
like I had I think you could
see it back there a Fireland Magic

2305
02:28:46.920 --> 02:28:52.120
the Gathering card. I had an
anonymous person hide Fireland Magic Gathering cards in

2306
02:28:52.280 --> 02:28:56.559
my apartment and then my house for
like five or six years, and I

2307
02:28:56.600 --> 02:29:00.559
would just like open like a book
and it would be in there. Or

2308
02:29:00.639 --> 02:29:03.200
I would go through a specific drawer, bea there, up in my microwave,

2309
02:29:03.239 --> 02:29:05.840
it would be in there. So
I'm the target these kind of things,

2310
02:29:05.360 --> 02:29:11.319
Uh, you shouldn't be. I
don't do anything out of spite really,

2311
02:29:11.440 --> 02:29:16.520
but annoying asshole. I've done some
of those. And I was a

2312
02:29:16.680 --> 02:29:22.840
teenager. I was trying fourteen or
fifteen, and this was an asshole move

2313
02:29:22.840 --> 02:29:24.000
because this was a waste of a
lot of people's time. I would not

2314
02:29:24.120 --> 02:29:28.879
do a prank like this nowadays,
but me and my friend Charlie would just

2315
02:29:28.000 --> 02:29:31.600
like stay up laid and like prank
people and some like like it was always

2316
02:29:31.680 --> 02:29:35.319
just like radio DJs. We would
just call because they were the one thing

2317
02:29:35.360 --> 02:29:37.239
that like you could call in the
middle of the night that chick up and

2318
02:29:37.280 --> 02:29:39.280
we'd like just do dumb pranks and
stuff. But then one night we grabbed

2319
02:29:39.280 --> 02:29:43.200
the Yellow Pages this is the fucking
nineties or whatever, and we had a

2320
02:29:43.239 --> 02:29:48.280
friend Ryan that we would fuck with, and we called He lived on a

2321
02:29:48.360 --> 02:29:54.840
cul de sac and we spent hours
between it was like one am to like

2322
02:29:54.959 --> 02:29:58.280
four or five am, hours where
no company would ever pick up, and

2323
02:29:58.440 --> 02:30:03.040
we called every like roof for in, plumber and electrician and every just kind

2324
02:30:03.079 --> 02:30:07.600
of like had like deck repair,
driveway repair, just everything. And we

2325
02:30:07.639 --> 02:30:11.840
would leave these messages with everyone where
it's like, hey, I know you're

2326
02:30:11.840 --> 02:30:15.200
closes, it's middle of the night. My name's Ryan. I got a

2327
02:30:15.280 --> 02:30:18.319
real deck emergency or electricity emergency.
Just you know, send someone out in

2328
02:30:18.319 --> 02:30:20.760
the morning and once you're open,
you know, like we'll figure it out,

2329
02:30:20.840 --> 02:30:24.479
Like I just I just need someone
out of here asap. And he

2330
02:30:24.559 --> 02:30:26.040
lived in the cul de Sac,
and so the whole fucking next day we

2331
02:30:26.120 --> 02:30:30.920
called so many places. The cul
de sac was like getting backed up with

2332
02:30:31.159 --> 02:30:33.760
like all these like some of these
things were like almost like semi truck things

2333
02:30:33.840 --> 02:30:39.159
and these large like repair trucks and
construction vehicles that all showed up and then

2334
02:30:39.200 --> 02:30:41.719
like knocked on the door and he
had to be like it was like his

2335
02:30:41.920 --> 02:30:43.520
mom that was like, no,
my son's friends are idiots, Like we

2336
02:30:43.559 --> 02:30:48.719
don't need anything. It's God,
what a fucking wasted time for everyone.

2337
02:30:50.879 --> 02:30:54.040
I thought that you and I were
gonna prank Grub for like the next few

2338
02:30:54.120 --> 02:30:56.879
months here with what the name of
our Blake Club episode, But you forgot

2339
02:30:56.920 --> 02:31:01.399
that it was a prank on Grub, so you included him in the group

2340
02:31:01.520 --> 02:31:07.799
test to rank. Yeah, you
thought I wasn't part of it. You're

2341
02:31:07.840 --> 02:31:11.399
like, how was this prank work
again? Do I like a grubber or

2342
02:31:11.440 --> 02:31:15.559
do I like grub Katana grub good
thing? He didn't read it, so

2343
02:31:15.639 --> 02:31:18.680
at least we got him for what
But he just went in and he was

2344
02:31:18.719 --> 02:31:24.840
like like I can't believe you.
We're doing it again with Lego Horizon.

2345
02:31:24.879 --> 02:31:28.280
We're good this bit for basically the
rest of the year, when we pretended

2346
02:31:28.319 --> 02:31:31.399
to think it was the most exciting
game of the year, and you did

2347
02:31:31.479 --> 02:31:33.239
it for the reveal, and then
when I started talking about it on the

2348
02:31:33.360 --> 02:31:37.319
couch as this great thing, You're
like, wait, are you really excited

2349
02:31:37.360 --> 02:31:41.799
for that? Actually, Dan,
I would just see while they're in there

2350
02:31:41.799 --> 02:31:46.319
for my sinuses and they can fix
my brain. Dan, I love your

2351
02:31:46.360 --> 02:31:52.639
brain the way it is stupid to
punk. Maybe I'll fix my sinuses and

2352
02:31:52.639 --> 02:31:56.879
then I can suddenly work a banana. Sometimes I think that a lot of

2353
02:31:58.440 --> 02:32:03.280
my goals and movements are founded in
spite. I would probably go as far

2354
02:32:03.319 --> 02:32:07.159
as to say, is like one
of the reasons it's so important for me

2355
02:32:07.280 --> 02:32:11.200
to succeed in games and have the
job that I had, is that,

2356
02:32:11.399 --> 02:32:13.760
Like very initially, when I was
trying really hard to have a job in

2357
02:32:13.840 --> 02:32:18.680
games media and I I was doing
like let's plays and stuff like that,

2358
02:32:18.040 --> 02:32:22.840
I posted like a photo of me
and some other people from GameSpot doing a

2359
02:32:22.920 --> 02:32:24.799
let's play this before I was hired. I was like a contractor, and

2360
02:32:26.600 --> 02:32:31.280
someone from my high school put in
the comments you know, person's name,

2361
02:32:31.319 --> 02:32:37.159
person's name, and obligatory the girl
because you have to have one, and

2362
02:32:37.319 --> 02:32:39.280
essentially like belittled me that you have
to have a girl on one of these

2363
02:32:39.319 --> 02:32:43.520
and I was like the token girl, and I kind of did that like

2364
02:32:43.360 --> 02:32:48.840
Magruber, you know, K five
B eight forty seven, K five eight

2365
02:32:48.920 --> 02:32:52.399
me ver seven. I remember this
person's name, and I like thought about

2366
02:32:52.399 --> 02:32:54.399
it a lot, and I was
like, this is not just because I'm

2367
02:32:54.399 --> 02:32:56.440
a girl. I have a lot
to add to this. I am going

2368
02:32:56.520 --> 02:33:01.120
to absolutely make it in this industry. I'm going to do really amazing things.

2369
02:33:01.159 --> 02:33:03.760
I'm going to win awards. I'm
going to succeed, and that guy

2370
02:33:03.879 --> 02:33:11.159
is going to eat shit and I
will watch him and I haven't. That's

2371
02:33:11.239 --> 02:33:16.559
right, where's your fucking emmy.
I really do feel strongly that that having

2372
02:33:16.680 --> 02:33:20.120
some kind of like anger inside of
me, that fire. It's a huge,

2373
02:33:20.479 --> 02:33:24.840
massive motivator for a lot of my
late hours and my hard work,

2374
02:33:24.159 --> 02:33:28.280
because I don't want anyone to say
that I was handed it or that I

2375
02:33:28.440 --> 02:33:31.479
stumbled across it. I earned it
because I worked really fucking hard, and

2376
02:33:31.760 --> 02:33:35.520
a lot of that is because of
comments like that. So you fuel me,

2377
02:33:35.600 --> 02:33:37.840
haters. Thank you very much for
telling me that I'm only here because

2378
02:33:37.879 --> 02:33:41.680
of, like, you know,
the way I was born or the way

2379
02:33:41.719 --> 02:33:46.200
I look like That's why I have
an Emmy and you're sitting there being nothing

2380
02:33:46.440 --> 02:33:52.680
so corent whatever. I forget what
his name is now I face book.

2381
02:33:52.840 --> 02:33:56.719
I actually don't remember him anymore.
But I think I think you won that

2382
02:33:58.040 --> 02:34:00.959
encounter there. I think his name
was Dan, but I don't think,

2383
02:34:01.600 --> 02:34:05.159
but I think it actually was.
That's incredible. Who do you generally like

2384
02:34:05.239 --> 02:34:07.520
better all the dance in your life, for all of the mics in your

2385
02:34:07.600 --> 02:34:16.479
life? Really? What right like
is it for general party with Let's just

2386
02:34:16.479 --> 02:34:20.479
say you got a bucket of the
dance, bucket of the mics you score

2387
02:34:20.719 --> 02:34:24.799
of both. Yeah, there's a
lot of good mics out there. I

2388
02:34:26.479 --> 02:34:30.399
have been really blessed with a lot
of good dance too, Dan Horrick,

2389
02:34:31.360 --> 02:34:39.120
I there's there's a lot of equal
oh d that's pushing it. Yeah,

2390
02:34:39.200 --> 02:34:43.440
I would say probably no more really
solid dance than mics. Okay, Mike,

2391
02:34:43.719 --> 02:34:46.479
I'm trying to think of like really
important mics. I can't think of

2392
02:34:48.520 --> 02:34:50.840
you think of at least one other
one. It's me beating Manati and Maharty

2393
02:34:50.920 --> 02:34:54.959
with one answer. That's great.
Why did I even bring it up?

2394
02:34:54.120 --> 02:35:00.799
No, I'm just saying there's a
lot of really important dance. Dan,

2395
02:35:00.920 --> 02:35:05.559
you hate do you want to make
it. I waited. Mike would never

2396
02:35:07.280 --> 02:35:13.040
Mike my hearty constantly threatens to kill
her. I mean she's starting to kill

2397
02:35:13.079 --> 02:35:18.239
me too, and I don't think
that with everyone. That's fine whatever.

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Yeah, we're working terms on the
podcast. I don't know what's going on

2399
02:35:28.399 --> 02:35:35.479
when we talk about wrestling now.
Usually this is the part where Mike brings

2400
02:35:35.520 --> 02:35:41.799
it on home, but without trustee
Mike. Uh, Dan, you want

2401
02:35:41.840 --> 02:35:45.399
to round this bad boy out?
Yes, let me throw it to you

2402
02:35:46.319 --> 02:35:50.159
with uh. We got some merge, tell the folks. Yeah, we

2403
02:35:50.280 --> 02:35:54.559
have merch at fire Escape cast dot
com and all of our socials. You

2404
02:35:54.600 --> 02:35:56.360
should check it out. We are
having still a sale, and I actually

2405
02:35:56.360 --> 02:36:00.680
don't think it goes much longer.
I think it ends like July, so

2406
02:36:01.200 --> 02:36:05.239
a week or two. Yeah,
Mike, you got our tide I shirt

2407
02:36:05.280 --> 02:36:07.000
and you said it was soft.
I did. I almost wore it here.

2408
02:36:07.120 --> 02:36:11.000
Then I'm like, now, that
be like wearing the band's shirt to

2409
02:36:11.040 --> 02:36:13.680
their own concert, even though I'm
an Iron Maiden fan, and that's like

2410
02:36:13.719 --> 02:36:16.760
the one band where everybody does it
because the shirts are kind of half the

2411
02:36:16.799 --> 02:36:20.280
point of liking Iron Maiden. But
uh, the tide I shirt is very

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02:36:20.360 --> 02:36:22.360
high quality. I was very impressive
that. Jeff and I we're even like

2413
02:36:22.520 --> 02:36:24.639
talking at summer game fests, like, oh we got we got to talk

2414
02:36:24.639 --> 02:36:28.120
to them and find out how they
do their merch because it's a I mean,

2415
02:36:28.159 --> 02:36:31.319
I shouldn't have put down my our
merch, but it's better than our

2416
02:36:31.760 --> 02:36:35.639
So yeah, I love that tide
Ie shirt. I highly recommend it,

2417
02:36:35.000 --> 02:36:39.959
all right, thank you. It's
good merch. Get it while it's available

2418
02:36:41.079 --> 02:36:45.840
because it does end when the summer
ends. That's why it's a fire sale.

2419
02:36:46.840 --> 02:36:48.440
That's right. Could the summer catalog
right now? What was the u

2420
02:36:48.559 --> 02:36:52.840
r L on that? Mary,
fire escapecast dot com. Yes, or

2421
02:36:54.159 --> 02:36:56.959
check our socials because I we tweet
it. Yes, we retweet anyone with

2422
02:36:58.079 --> 02:37:03.799
the did every banana yellow, including
a banano banana banana yellow bathing suit that

2423
02:37:03.879 --> 02:37:09.000
looked so smoking hot wow on one
of our incredible listeners. I won't name

2424
02:37:09.079 --> 02:37:11.280
him because I don't want to dox
anyone for being too hot, but my

2425
02:37:11.440 --> 02:37:13.959
god, that but you can just
tell them it was me. It's fine,

2426
02:37:15.040 --> 02:37:20.319
Mary, give you permission. Check
out the Patreon. Look up fire

2427
02:37:20.440 --> 02:37:24.040
Escape Cast on there if you want
to get ad free listening. If you

2428
02:37:24.120 --> 02:37:26.799
want to watch a video of us
right now. You can see exactly how

2429
02:37:26.840 --> 02:37:30.200
many fingers Mike Mana he's holding up
right now, had of Mike, You're

2430
02:37:30.520 --> 02:37:33.719
you're not gonna believe how many.
Well that's a crazy Okay, that got

2431
02:37:33.760 --> 02:37:37.559
real fucked up. Okay, Wow, the video patrens know that. Who

2432
02:37:39.079 --> 02:37:41.959
all right, that'll go to them. Uh, and that is it.

2433
02:37:41.319 --> 02:37:46.040
Check us out on Instagram, Twitter, that business there, and uh,

2434
02:37:46.120 --> 02:37:50.719
Mike, where can the folks find
you? I'm managing at her over at

2435
02:37:50.799 --> 02:37:56.120
gamesbet dot com, which is a
good source for video game industry news.

2436
02:37:56.440 --> 02:38:00.840
Popping off on all sorts of stuff
on Giant Bomb with Dan and other friends,

2437
02:38:01.000 --> 02:38:05.520
especially Blight Club. Always a good
time with Jeff Grubb. I am

2438
02:38:05.600 --> 02:38:09.000
doing our Nintendo podcast Less Than to
ten Dogs, and our general gamme podcast

2439
02:38:09.079 --> 02:38:13.840
Game Messed, aside the Disney Side
Nineties Disney podcast that's where me and my

2440
02:38:13.920 --> 02:38:16.920
brothers talk about everything with Disney in
the nineties. And then check me out

2441
02:38:16.920 --> 02:38:20.000
on Twitch at toll Coat. So
that's a lot of things. I pimped

2442
02:38:20.000 --> 02:38:26.079
too many things to do it.
You're good, but people on our side

2443
02:38:26.120 --> 02:38:30.600
hustle Ara these days, aren't we
You gotta have it? M Mary,

2444
02:38:30.639 --> 02:38:35.920
where can I find you? You
can find me reading Infinite Jest by David

2445
02:38:35.040 --> 02:38:39.879
Foster Wallace every day on Twitch dot
tv. I gotta do it. Play

2446
02:38:41.440 --> 02:38:43.840
indie games, which I am known
for. Every Monday, I play a

2447
02:38:45.079 --> 02:38:48.399
indie game on my channel Mary Kish
because I am the number one indie game

2448
02:38:50.520 --> 02:38:54.120
player on fire Escape, Dan,
where are you up to? You can

2449
02:38:54.200 --> 02:38:56.719
find me at a Giant Bomb along
with Mike Manatti there. I'm also Dan

2450
02:38:56.760 --> 02:39:01.200
Reichord on Instagram and Twitch. I
get back on Twitch. This has been

2451
02:39:01.280 --> 02:39:03.559
a crazy summer already, and the
between surgery and travel and stuff, I

2452
02:39:03.719 --> 02:39:07.000
hope to find some time in the
coming weeks to do some more stuff on

2453
02:39:07.120 --> 02:39:13.079
Twitch because I really enjoy doing that. So that's it for us. That

2454
02:39:13.280 --> 02:39:16.360
is it for the podcast. Mike
Manati, thank you so so much.

2455
02:39:16.680 --> 02:39:22.000
We don't get many opportunities to have
guests. But when we realized, you

2456
02:39:22.079 --> 02:39:24.840
know, Mike was gonna be gone
and there was our favorite, well,

2457
02:39:26.319 --> 02:39:30.120
look, you guys have to fight. You You and Maharty will have to

2458
02:39:30.200 --> 02:39:33.159
have a physical fight to determine the
favorite. Monkey Never I could never.

2459
02:39:33.239 --> 02:39:35.639
I'm winning him back over. We're
gonna be best friends. It's gonna be

2460
02:39:35.680 --> 02:39:39.959
great. Thank you so much for
having me. I really do actually love

2461
02:39:39.040 --> 02:39:43.079
listening to the podcast. You are
are all great, so it was a

2462
02:39:43.239 --> 02:39:46.360
good amount of fun to be here. Thanking yay. We enjoy having you.

2463
02:39:46.799 --> 02:39:48.399
Thanks for coming on, Thanks everyone
for listening. We will see you

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02:39:50.200 --> 02:39:52.399
in a couple of weeks. Bye
bye bye