1 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:22,199 We're back with another edition of The Federalist or Radio Hour. I'm Emily Jasinski, 2 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,120 culture editor here at the Federalist. As always, you can email the 3 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,559 show at radio at the Federalist dot com, follow us on Twitter at fdr 4 00:00:28,719 --> 00:00:33,039 LST. Make sure to subscribe wherever you download your podcasts as well. We 5 00:00:33,119 --> 00:00:37,039 are joined once again by editor in chief of at the Babylon B. Kyle 6 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,560 Man, who helped put together a new book I have in front of me. 7 00:00:40,719 --> 00:00:44,399 It's hilarious. It's called The Babylon Be Guide to Gender, the comprehensive 8 00:00:44,439 --> 00:00:47,920 handbook to men, women and millions of new genders we just made up. 9 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:52,520 Kyle, Welcome back to Federalist Radio Hour. Thanks so much for having me. 10 00:00:53,320 --> 00:01:00,520 You are incorrigible and will not stop committing hate crimes. What you mean? 11 00:01:00,799 --> 00:01:03,480 This is a very this is a very inclusive book. So you know, 12 00:01:03,519 --> 00:01:06,879 we talk about all kinds of genders in this book. I don't know 13 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,640 why you would why you would accuse us of a hate crime. Here dedicated 14 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:14,680 to Babylon Be Man of the Year Rachel Levi, and you start just before 15 00:01:14,719 --> 00:01:18,840 page one even tell us about this book, the process of putting it together. 16 00:01:18,879 --> 00:01:23,280 It really is hilarious. Yeah, So this is a third book in 17 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,000 our Babylon Beat Guide series. We've done the Babylon Beat Guide to Wokeness, 18 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,760 the Babylon Bee Guide to Democracy, and now the babylon Beat Guide to Gender. 19 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:37,200 It's certainly the most it was certainly the grossest of the guide books that 20 00:01:37,239 --> 00:01:42,400 we've had to put together. It's difficult to write about a topic like gender 21 00:01:42,599 --> 00:01:49,120 and trans issues and and you know, sexual identity and sexual orientation and all 22 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,640 this stuff without you know, I don't know, there's a line that you 23 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,599 have to walk there. That's trying to keep it fun and light and funny, 24 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,760 even though it is a pretty serious topic that you know, a lot 25 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:04,200 of us, sir, are just confronted with on a daily basis. But 26 00:02:04,239 --> 00:02:06,840 hopefully we kept it fun and funny enough where you know, it's something you 27 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,360 can throw it on your coffee table when the liberal when your liberal relatives come 28 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:19,080 over. Yes, this will make many thanksgivings very fun this year. That's 29 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,479 the idea. But yeah, you know, we're putting this thing together and 30 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,280 it's it's a lot of you know, we have this great graphics department at 31 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:28,319 the Battle on Bea. As you can imagine, it's an absolute blast to 32 00:02:28,319 --> 00:02:32,360 be a graphic artist at the Battle on Beat, from putting together crazy photoshops 33 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:38,319 for the website to working on books like this. So I wrote a large 34 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:42,439 chunk of the content along with my managing editor Joel Berry, and you know, 35 00:02:42,439 --> 00:02:45,639 we're just typing words on a page and it's all black and white and 36 00:02:45,759 --> 00:02:47,120 I don't know if this is funny or not, you know, and then 37 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:51,280 you send it over to the graphics department. Now we have all these notes, 38 00:02:51,319 --> 00:02:57,159 like draw a man in a dress with a beard and you know he's 39 00:02:57,199 --> 00:03:00,560 punching a squirrel or whatever the joke is. And then to see this, 40 00:03:00,759 --> 00:03:07,360 to see it come alive on the page after the traffic department gets through with 41 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,759 that, it's just it's like it's like telling yourself a joke that you get 42 00:03:09,759 --> 00:03:14,159 to laugh at a few months later, so that it's been a lot of 43 00:03:14,159 --> 00:03:16,840 fun and giving a present to yourself. Yes, exactly, that's what I 44 00:03:16,879 --> 00:03:22,280 say. Very generous, But it also at the point about how it was 45 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:23,960 one of the grossest books or the grossest book that you've put together so far. 46 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:29,439 There's something serious when you say that, because it gets to how gender 47 00:03:29,759 --> 00:03:34,199 is this catch all subject that opens. It's kind of like the umbrella that 48 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,719 all of this like sexual stuff gets under for the left that when they're talking 49 00:03:38,319 --> 00:03:42,120 or when they're they're teaching kids about something like very innocuous or that should be 50 00:03:42,199 --> 00:03:45,319 very innocuous. You know, you're a boy, boys that penis as girls 51 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:47,360 are girls when they're you know, eight years old, whatever they are in 52 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:53,719 the classroom, it's now open up to this whole universe. Because they're they're 53 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,800 assigned with this basic task in a public school of making sure that girls go 54 00:03:57,879 --> 00:04:00,039 to the girls bathroom and boys go to the boys bathroom. That becomes just 55 00:04:00,199 --> 00:04:03,680 like catch all for all of these different like sexual topics. So, as 56 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,599 you were writing the book and as every day you're sort of covering these topics 57 00:04:06,599 --> 00:04:10,479 at the Babylon B, do you find that to be the case that so 58 00:04:10,639 --> 00:04:15,319 often just sex as the gateway to all of these different like issues of sexual 59 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:20,480 deviancy and nonsense. Once that doors open, Yeah, it's and it's kind 60 00:04:20,519 --> 00:04:26,519 of intrinsically tied when you look at some of the perversions that that have been 61 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:30,079 ushered in, you know, in the name of equality and inclusiveness, and 62 00:04:30,879 --> 00:04:35,319 you look at things like that, it just just think three years ago or 63 00:04:35,399 --> 00:04:38,959 five years ago, if you thought we would be having a debate as to 64 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:44,720 whether kids should be going to drag shows and tipping you know, men with 65 00:04:45,439 --> 00:04:49,720 fake bare boobs, and you know, like it's just insane, or that 66 00:04:49,879 --> 00:04:54,120 it was the dude that was on the White House lawn, you know, 67 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:58,199 with his with his fake chest out there for everybody to see. And it's 68 00:04:58,199 --> 00:05:03,879 like we have progressed so quickly off that cliff, and nobody on the left 69 00:05:04,199 --> 00:05:09,480 is really willing to call it out. There are some obviously, there are 70 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,560 some voices on the left who call it out, but they're few and far 71 00:05:12,639 --> 00:05:18,079 between, because I think once you've subscribed to this idea, that your main 72 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:25,680 motivator, your main your guiding principle is inclusiveness. You can't say no, 73 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,920 you can't shut it down, you know, because if that is your if 74 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,480 that is your guiding principle, if you have no, if you have no 75 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:38,240 strong foundation to kind of more your morality too and say no, this, 76 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:42,920 this is what we believe things are good and bad and objectively good and objectively 77 00:05:42,959 --> 00:05:46,279 evil. If you don't have that kind of an objective moral compass, then 78 00:05:46,399 --> 00:05:49,279 you're just going to progress because that's what they do. They progress, and 79 00:05:49,319 --> 00:05:53,879 they progress it right off the cliff because that is the main thing, is 80 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,680 just moving forward all the time. So yeah, I think once you once 81 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,600 you kind of say, oh, well, inclusivity is our is our guiding 82 00:06:00,639 --> 00:06:06,079 principle, You're opening yourself up to all kinds of craziness. HM. Correct 83 00:06:06,079 --> 00:06:12,680 me if I'm remembering this wrong. But wasn't the reason you guys got blocked 84 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:16,040 on Twitter and have since developed a great relationship with the Elon Musk That was 85 00:06:16,079 --> 00:06:24,079 over a Rachel Levine post, right, Yes, it was our We after 86 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:29,040 USA Today awarded Rachel Levine one of their Women of the Year awards. You 87 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,480 know, they named Rachel Levine Woman of the Year. We just thought it 88 00:06:32,519 --> 00:06:38,000 was so absurd that we awarded Rachel Levine our man of the Year one. 89 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,000 It's it's a stupid joke, you know. It's like it's kind of like 90 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:46,600 this dumb lame, you know, just very dry parody of what of what 91 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:50,399 USA Today did. But it got us banned from Twitter, It got us 92 00:06:50,439 --> 00:06:55,040 locked out of Twitter and uh, and they wouldn't let us back on unless 93 00:06:55,079 --> 00:07:01,120 we kind of bowed the knee to their ideology at least an old Twitter. 94 00:07:01,199 --> 00:07:08,319 There was like, but when you committed a hate crime on the committed hate 95 00:07:08,319 --> 00:07:12,720 speech on the on the app, you you had to click through all these 96 00:07:13,399 --> 00:07:17,240 screens that were like, yes, I acknowledge that I have committed hate speech 97 00:07:17,279 --> 00:07:21,680 against this person, which includes harassment, intimidation, threats of violence. But 98 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:25,399 you know, we're like, what, you know? It was insane. 99 00:07:25,439 --> 00:07:30,480 It was just insane those and we didn't. We didn't. It wasn't any 100 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:34,480 kind of like calculated response to this Rachel Leavin thing, to this Twitter thing 101 00:07:34,519 --> 00:07:41,160 that we were gonna, oh, let's let's go ahead and uh not delete 102 00:07:41,199 --> 00:07:44,839 the post and that way we'll generate a bunch of controversy and then and then 103 00:07:44,879 --> 00:07:50,199 Elon Musk will see us and buy Twitter. It was literally just me and 104 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,959 the other owners of the battle on be getting together and we just said this 105 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,519 is insane. We're not We're not deleting it, right. I think I 106 00:07:56,519 --> 00:07:59,480 think it was Seth our CEO maybe that said that was just like, we're 107 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,120 not deleating, are we And I just like, no, of course, 108 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:05,000 we're not like that. This just goes against everything that we believe, you 109 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:05,879 know. So it was it was just a principle and stand of like, 110 00:08:07,759 --> 00:08:09,480 and we thought, we thought we weren't going to ever get our Twitter account 111 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:13,160 back. You know, that was just like, we may never be back 112 00:08:13,199 --> 00:08:16,360 on Twitter again. So then when when Elon called and you know, started 113 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:20,000 asking us about it, and then and then bought Twitter, and then you 114 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:24,399 know, one of his first directives when he got into Twitter that November was 115 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,920 to free the Babylon be You know, that was an insane thing for us 116 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:33,120 to witness, unful just from taking a little stand of ordinary faithfulness. You 117 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,639 know, we saw the world change in a big way. That is such 118 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:41,159 an important and interesting point because I was going to ask how heavily now that 119 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:46,720 you have some insight into the process you think this or why this particular example 120 00:08:48,919 --> 00:08:52,200 you kind of almost just answered this question, But I'm curious for your thoughts. 121 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:56,600 It seems like to me the reason this example weighed so heavily on Elon 122 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:58,679 Musk is that you guys did take a stand that like, would anybody have 123 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:03,519 even noticed in the long term, would this this would just be sort of 124 00:09:03,519 --> 00:09:07,120 a footnote in the Babylonpie's history if you you had this one issue and then 125 00:09:07,159 --> 00:09:09,240 you complied, deleted the tweet, got back on and just kept testing the 126 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:13,879 system. But it sounds like the fact that you guys stood strong is sort 127 00:09:13,879 --> 00:09:18,080 of what was the catalyst for this to explode, or to be sort of 128 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:22,360 a spark for Elon Musk to start looking deeper into what was happening at old 129 00:09:22,399 --> 00:09:26,600 Twitter. Yeah. Absolutely, Like you know, I think if we had 130 00:09:26,639 --> 00:09:31,120 just done the typical thing of whining about it and then deleting the tweet and 131 00:09:31,159 --> 00:09:33,159 then you're back on the next day, it's like, oh, it would 132 00:09:33,159 --> 00:09:37,399 not have changed anything. And a lot of conservatives were facing similar things, 133 00:09:37,399 --> 00:09:41,039 and of course you know, deleted their tweets or whatever, which I don't 134 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,759 I don't blame them. I mean, it was such a crazy time with 135 00:09:43,759 --> 00:09:46,320 how much censorship there was. It's like, well, we could lose access 136 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,440 to our millions of followers. You know, that's a big deal, like 137 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,440 I could sink of, isn't it, you know? And And that's how 138 00:09:52,519 --> 00:09:56,240 that's how powerful that the sensors were. But I talk a lot about like 139 00:09:56,879 --> 00:10:01,879 what Alexander's soldier Hitson says in the and the Gulag Archipelago, you know, 140 00:10:01,919 --> 00:10:09,879 which is that that he wished that his fellow Russians had, you know, 141 00:10:09,919 --> 00:10:11,480 all stood up and he's just like if just one of us, you know, 142 00:10:11,519 --> 00:10:15,519 and like at their apartment block or whatever. You know. He describes 143 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,559 these Soviet soldiers coming in and knocking on the door at the end of the 144 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:22,039 hall and then moving to the next door the next day, and the next 145 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,720 door the next day, and then none of them stood up. And he 146 00:10:24,759 --> 00:10:26,159 said, like, if we had just made them fear for their lives, 147 00:10:28,399 --> 00:10:31,480 the soldiers fear for their lives because they knew that we weren't gonna go quietly, 148 00:10:31,879 --> 00:10:33,960 you know. He's like, the whole thing, the whole system would 149 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,720 have collapse on the first day, but everybody feared this, you know. 150 00:10:37,799 --> 00:10:41,639 And I'm you know, I'm drawing an analogy from obviously something that's horrible like 151 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:43,759 Soviet Russia to just you know, cancel culture. But we are kind of 152 00:10:43,759 --> 00:10:48,440 in the beginning stages of a lot of that that conservatives feel like they can't 153 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:52,480 speak up. And I don't blame I don't know, Like, on the 154 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:56,360 one hand, I understand conservatives that have their job and have to provide for 155 00:10:56,399 --> 00:10:58,960 their family, like they're like, well, I could make a stand, 156 00:11:00,039 --> 00:11:03,919 but then I can't feed my family. And so I understand that people have 157 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:07,240 a tough choice to make, but at the same time, a lot of 158 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,720 times, cancel culture only has power because we self censor. You know, 159 00:11:09,879 --> 00:11:15,240 cancel culture only has power because we we we allow it to have power. 160 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,440 I think I think as conservatives, it's time to start standing up. And 161 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:22,360 you'd be surprised. You know. We get stories of people that will stand 162 00:11:22,399 --> 00:11:24,600 up in their workplaces and say, no, I'm gonna I'm gonna take a 163 00:11:24,639 --> 00:11:28,200 stand here, I don't believe this, and then more than half of the 164 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,240 workplace stands up with them, and it's like, yeah, but this is 165 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,159 ridiculous. You know, Jim and all of them were silent about it. 166 00:11:33,159 --> 00:11:39,480 So yeah, I just encourage people too not take part in the lie, 167 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,120 because I think once we take part in the lie, we give a power 168 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:45,759 over us, and we give power to cancel culture that way, So feel 169 00:11:45,759 --> 00:11:48,440 free to put the Babylon Big Guide to Gender on your coffee table. Over 170 00:11:50,519 --> 00:11:54,159 all ten copies that you purchase, put them on your put them on your 171 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:58,600 copy too. And to another thing, you just said, it's not just 172 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,840 conservatives anymore, And I mean, of course, it never really was just 173 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,960 conservatives. I mean, I remember my college job was working for Christina Hoff 174 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:11,159 Summers, who was sort of canceled in the early nineties for having this heterodox 175 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:16,480 take on what was happening to feminism in like nineteen ninety four, And so 176 00:12:16,519 --> 00:12:22,159 there was always this anti speech streak on the far left. It was mainstreamed, 177 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:28,279 and then people like Elon Musk were certainly not conventional movement conservative Reagan knights 178 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:33,080 gender. For some reason, sex and gender strikes and nerve. I want 179 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:37,919 to ask how why you think that is? Because the speech issue, I 180 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,240 think those are the two biggest gateways to sort of being red pilled. It's 181 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:46,879 free speech and sex and gender. A do you agree with that be? 182 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:50,919 Why is sex and gender something that seems so basic and obvious such a powerful 183 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:56,399 gateway to having your eyes opened up to kind of a lot of these structural 184 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:05,159 problems on the left. I mean, it definitely like strikes at the core 185 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:09,679 of who we are, Like their ontological questions, gender questions, you know, 186 00:13:09,759 --> 00:13:15,159 and you have to be so you have to be swimming in the kool 187 00:13:15,159 --> 00:13:18,559 aid so deep, you know, you have to be so immerged in the 188 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:24,559 kool aid to buy into to buy into the gender nonsense, and like it 189 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:30,759 denies the very basic reality of who you are, and I don't, like, 190 00:13:30,799 --> 00:13:31,919 I do think that there's a lot of people on the left, or 191 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,720 would call themselves on the left, maybe in the Democrat Party, who you 192 00:13:35,759 --> 00:13:39,000 know, balk at this stuff and say like this is this stuff is too 193 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:43,080 far, you know, because it is so basic from a biological perspective. 194 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:48,159 But the problem is that the Democrat Party and everybody on the left has really 195 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:52,200 been you know, co opted by this movement and something that it feels so 196 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:56,480 inorganic because it's something that was so fringe, you know, just a couple 197 00:13:56,519 --> 00:13:58,480 of years ago. And like if you would if you had read a headline 198 00:14:00,399 --> 00:14:03,519 from the future five years ago, that's like, you know, this man 199 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:07,000 dressed as a woman is now the spokesperson for bud Light or you know whatever, 200 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,240 you'd be you'd be like, what, what what is happening? You 201 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,200 know, I've read some headline the other day. I was reading and I'm 202 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:15,440 like, if I read this headline three years ago, I would not understand 203 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:20,399 a single word of it. You know, there's there's this there's this insane, 204 00:14:20,159 --> 00:14:26,840 like hockey stick level progression when when it comes to the insanity on the 205 00:14:26,919 --> 00:14:31,120 left. But yeah, I think it is. I think it is because 206 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:37,799 It comes down to such a basic question of being that every you know xx 207 00:14:37,879 --> 00:14:43,720 or x y chromosome in our body screams and rebels against that. You're just 208 00:14:43,919 --> 00:14:46,039 like, you know it's wrong, and you really have to, you know, 209 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:50,799 as the Bible says, like sear your conscience in order to in order 210 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:58,200 to fall for it. Hey, y'all, this is Sarah Carter, investigative 211 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,559 calumnists and host of The Sarah car to show thanks for listening to the Federalist. 212 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:05,279 We all have a heartfelt reason to support our blood pressure. 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I'm looking 226 00:16:08,039 --> 00:16:12,360 at a page in the book right now that has an illustration of notable accomplishments 227 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:18,600 and inventions of men, medicine, automobiles, skyscrapers, and or plumbing. 228 00:16:19,399 --> 00:16:22,320 This is just a taste of what you can expect with the Babylon Beat Guide 229 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:27,600 Degender. But it also strikes me that this was not partisan humor or ideological 230 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:32,240 humor like twenty years ago. We all and it's kind of like the Barbie 231 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,279 movie, which just over and over again, the joke is that men and 232 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,360 women are different. I don't think Greta Gerwig knew that when she was making 233 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,159 the movie, but over and over Aga it's like, oh, we have 234 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:44,720 to sanitize the Mojo Dojo Casa House to make it back into a Barbie Dreenham 235 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:48,159 house. Why because men are disgusting. Like this is used to just be 236 00:16:48,279 --> 00:16:52,120 a basic thing that we could all joke about and make fun of. But 237 00:16:52,639 --> 00:16:56,559 now I'm only finding jokes about men inventing these things, and the Babylon Beak 238 00:16:56,559 --> 00:17:03,639 Guide degender nowhere else. Well that's it's funnily enough, the original pitch for 239 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:07,319 this book that we were working on when we were talking about doing our third 240 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,599 Babylon be Guide was the Babylon be Guide to Men and Women, Like we 241 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:15,759 just wanted to do kind of your old school Seinfeld men are like this and 242 00:17:15,759 --> 00:17:19,279 women are like this style humor, and that's really you know, gender obviously 243 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,119 is a much hotter topic, and we were able to expand to making fun 244 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,880 of a lot more woke topics because we expanded it to gender. So we're 245 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:29,119 glad we did that. But we you know, and you've you've kind of 246 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,400 noticed those first few chapters were talking about men. There's a chapter on men, 247 00:17:32,559 --> 00:17:34,279 chapter on women, and we got we do a lot of the stereotypical 248 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:40,920 jokes about those things, and that kind of humor is great because it is 249 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:45,480 and I don't know, another funny thing is like you see it on you 250 00:17:45,519 --> 00:17:49,160 see those kind of jokes on TikTok all the time. You know, the 251 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:53,519 younger generation is making all these observations about men do this and w I just 252 00:17:53,519 --> 00:17:56,200 do this, husbands do that, you know, and it's like, well, 253 00:17:56,200 --> 00:18:00,400 why do you think that is? Because it's different, and so we 254 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,799 love that kind of humor, and I think it's been relegated to this like 255 00:18:03,839 --> 00:18:07,240 oh, that's boomer humor, like oh what men do this? And wounded 256 00:18:07,279 --> 00:18:10,880 know that's so you know, that's so passe or whatever. But but it 257 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:12,240 is like, like I was saying with the left and how you have to 258 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,960 deny your very biology in order to buying to the gender stuff. It's like 259 00:18:17,079 --> 00:18:21,640 those kind of jokes really speak to us because every single person on earth has 260 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:26,319 experienced, you know, those kinds of differences, whether it's your wife, 261 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,200 you know, running into the curb in her car, or you know, 262 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:36,119 your husband wanted just as an example. It's not it's you're not saying that 263 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:42,359 women do that. I know, satshire. This is satsi. It's possible 264 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,720 women are worst drivers than men, but that's not what you're saying. Yeah, 265 00:18:45,839 --> 00:18:52,440 right, odds are some of them are the question that I also was 266 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:59,480 thinking of when you were talking about that is the church in particular, is 267 00:18:59,519 --> 00:19:04,279 what you guys started satirizing. And just along with you know, the new 268 00:19:04,319 --> 00:19:11,039 Twitter versus old Twitter, you guys have exploded. There's some there does seem 269 00:19:11,079 --> 00:19:15,160 to be something happening. They call it a vibe shift, whatever it is, 270 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,519 there is some real change. People are getting braver, some people maybe 271 00:19:18,519 --> 00:19:22,839 getting less brave. Some people may be becoming more cowardly, but some people 272 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,559 really are becoming more brave. And I mean, I don't know the Elon 273 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:29,960 Musko ten years ago would have been taking some of the same would have said, 274 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,440 it's worth it for me to take some of the same stands on X, 275 00:19:32,519 --> 00:19:36,000 Y and Z. Maybe that's a bad example, but there's something in 276 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,839 There's something afoot. Have you seen that in churches? Is it getting better 277 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:44,559 or worse in some of those those church spaces that you guys started satirizing. 278 00:19:45,839 --> 00:19:48,759 Yeah, I mean, I don't know if I would say it's getting better 279 00:19:48,839 --> 00:19:52,759 or worse beyond, but I would say instead like it is definitely becoming more 280 00:19:52,799 --> 00:19:57,960 polarized. Like it really depends on your local church. Is your local church 281 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,240 in the Word of God and the truth of the Word of God? Do 282 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:06,319 you submit to the Word of God, because if you do, like I 283 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,599 don't think your pastor you will have any problems speaking up about these issues when 284 00:20:08,599 --> 00:20:12,559 they come up. If your church isn't founded on the order God and it's 285 00:20:12,599 --> 00:20:15,680 just whatever the whims of the culture are, then it's just going to progress 286 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,319 off the cliff even faster. And that's why we're seeing so many empty pews. 287 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:25,160 You know, it's because of a lot of the mainline denominations that just 288 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,519 he just sense that they desperately, desperately want to be liked by culture. 289 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:33,200 And maybe that was fine in the eighties and nineties when culture was relatively friendly 290 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:37,119 to Christianity or whatever, but now it's not. And so if that became 291 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:41,480 your if your goal was to appeal to seekers, you know, in the 292 00:20:41,519 --> 00:20:45,599 eighties and nineties, and they were just generally normal families or whatever, then 293 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,880 maybe you couldn't notice much of a difference at that point. But now it's 294 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,359 starting that that kind of approach is starting to be exposed for what it is, 295 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:56,799 because you know, you just see insane stories coming out of these out 296 00:20:56,839 --> 00:21:02,440 of these mainline churches that you never would have that would have been a babble 297 00:21:02,519 --> 00:21:04,920 on the headline, a few years ago. You know, we we had 298 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,880 some articles a few years ago that was like, uh, you know, 299 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:14,839 a priest fired from an episcopal church because he reveals that he believed in God 300 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,799 or something like that. And then you know there's like true stories now of 301 00:21:18,799 --> 00:21:26,400 these like atheist chaplains popping out that universities. It's just wild, like out, 302 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:27,319 how did we get here? You know? And I think it is 303 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:33,240 because a lot of churches weren't weren't taking seriously the word of God. You 304 00:21:33,279 --> 00:21:37,799 guys do a really good job of and I guess partially because this is you 305 00:21:37,799 --> 00:21:41,519 know, where you started, but you do a really good job of not 306 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:48,240 just giving the giving conservatives or Christians a past, but also not like relentlessly 307 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:56,240 just attacking conservatives and Christians, but also having a pretty like broad scope of 308 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:00,160 humor of things that you're like poking fun at. Is that intentional? Did 309 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,279 you guys try to keep a balance? Like how do you decide when you're 310 00:22:03,279 --> 00:22:06,400 going to take a shot at the right versus of the left? Yeah? 311 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:11,079 Some people have asked like is it you know, do you like completely balance 312 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:15,799 it? And we made fun of democrats, So now it's time for a 313 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,720 joke about Republicans. I don't really think that that's a great approach. I 314 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,400 think I think it's more like we want a really interesting, healthy, and 315 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:27,440 funny mix of articles on the site, and on a given day, like 316 00:22:27,599 --> 00:22:34,720 Democrats might be being a lot more ridiculous than Republicans. Not always, but 317 00:22:36,079 --> 00:22:38,119 on a given day that might be the case, you know, so we 318 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,960 might make more fun of Democrats that day. And then if there's a day 319 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,400 where there's something insane happen happening on the Republican side, of course, we're 320 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:49,599 not afraid to call that out either. But I think it is like I 321 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,599 feel like the mlm B is this like a newspaper that's, you know, 322 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,480 just reporting on clown world. And so when you open up the when you 323 00:22:57,519 --> 00:23:03,400 open up the homepage of the website, like you really want this feel that 324 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:11,400 you've received a newspaper from an alternate dimension that's like that's very very similar to 325 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,640 our own. But so we want that interesting, healthy article mix. Like 326 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,079 if if every joke is politics, or every jokes making fun of the left, 327 00:23:19,079 --> 00:23:22,680 then it's just it's not gonna be interesting. Nobody's going to be kept 328 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,720 on their toes. I like reading, you know, the onion or whatever, 329 00:23:25,799 --> 00:23:29,680 and you read a steal the article about the family dog or whatever, 330 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:30,839 and then the next articles making fun of me. You know, it's like, 331 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,759 oh, shoot, they got me. You know, you want that 332 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,599 moment or else or else. Comedy is not interesting, So we we definitely 333 00:23:37,599 --> 00:23:41,039 try to spread out the targets as much as we can. But yeah, 334 00:23:41,079 --> 00:23:42,319 well you know, and a lot of it's dictated by the headlines of the 335 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:47,480 day. You know, if if Republicans happen to be ridiculous that day, 336 00:23:47,519 --> 00:23:52,079 then I guess we're making fun of Republicans today. I'm think you had a 337 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:56,440 page right now that it takes a somewhat veiled shot at Rachel Hollis a woman 338 00:23:56,519 --> 00:24:00,400 with a copy of Girl Wash Your Face. And this is perfect to the 339 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,799 next question I want to ask, which is a bubble and b was kind 340 00:24:03,839 --> 00:24:07,480 of and is still kind of. It has this niche down really really well 341 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:14,079 of Christian humor that you're not really going to understand if you're not a regular 342 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,160 churchgoer. And that's something that happens a lot in our culture now, is 343 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:23,279 that we kind of have these these cultural corners that are less penetrable to people 344 00:24:23,279 --> 00:24:26,880 who are outside of that particular bubble, but are really really funny to people 345 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,720 who are inside the bubble. At the same time, you guys have expanded 346 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,559 to the point where there are tons of pop culture references in this book and 347 00:24:34,599 --> 00:24:40,839 on the site regularly that everyone can They're like touchstone references Lebron James, for 348 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,279 instance, that everyone could kind of pick up on and have a laugh at 349 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,960 if they're able to laugh at these things. Do you find that to be 350 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:52,680 a problem as you guys are like coming up with jokes like is this something 351 00:24:52,759 --> 00:24:56,200 that's like two, is this just a me thing? Or is this like 352 00:24:56,279 --> 00:25:00,079 just a politics thing versus you know, is this something people will understand in 353 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:07,359 general? Well, I think I think with humor, there's like a there 354 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:11,880 are so many considerations less like this giant four dimensional matrix of like what what 355 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,920 is a joke trying to do? And what are the different dimensions of it? 356 00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:19,279 And you know, so you're always like, it's really good to super 357 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,960 laser focus in on, you know, a dumb joke about uh, you 358 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:30,799 know, David Crowder or Jeremy Camp or some someone that only people in in 359 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:37,880 uh, within evangelicalism would understand. But it's like you want that I don't 360 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,000 know. I feel like that there's a context to the joke that people outside 361 00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:42,640 can still get and they can read it and go like, oh, you 362 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:47,440 know, that guy must have a giant beer or whatever the you know, 363 00:25:47,559 --> 00:25:51,279 or whatever the joke is. So there's a little bit of like, you 364 00:25:51,319 --> 00:25:55,079 know, yes, we're making the joke for our little in culture, but 365 00:25:55,279 --> 00:25:57,880 it should it should give a it should give a feel to the outside world 366 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,200 of what your sense of humor is, of what the tone is that you're 367 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,839 being lighthearted, you know, even if they don't get the specific reference. 368 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,160 Like one of my favorite articles is this really dumb one that I wrote that 369 00:26:07,319 --> 00:26:14,480 was like five signs your husband is secretly looking at planes of pictures of World 370 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,519 War two planes on the internet, you know, and it's just like it's 371 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:23,240 not even super relatable, Like there's nobody like like who looks at just randomly 372 00:26:23,279 --> 00:26:26,279 looks at pictures of World War two points. But that's like, you know, 373 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:32,160 obviously I do absolutely want you I'm in an accountability group for it, 374 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,160 but you know, we're trying our best. But you know, it does 375 00:26:34,279 --> 00:26:40,880 kind of without being on the nose and without being at the risk of explaining 376 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,400 a joke and making it not funny anymore. I mean, you know, 377 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,720 it does kind of give you that feel of this Christian website that's like, 378 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:48,960 here's how not to look at porn or whatever, but we do it in 379 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,400 this lighthearted way that's like pointing out some of the symptoms, but it's World 380 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,799 War two planes. And then it kind of gives this weird I like when 381 00:26:56,839 --> 00:27:00,640 you read an article and it's it's like strange, really specific, and you're 382 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,960 like, who wrote this and what we were they going through? You know, 383 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,000 So I think there's a so I think there's a balance, you know, 384 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,039 but we definitely we I mean, honestly, we've found that the way 385 00:27:11,039 --> 00:27:15,200 that Facebook suppresses a lot of our political posts because we'll pust something on a 386 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,160 hot news item about Hunter Biden or something and it gets five shares on Facebook 387 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,799 because they just completely shut us down during the twenty twenty election. But then 388 00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:26,960 we'll like post a silly joke about a worship leader and it'll get thousands of 389 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:32,559 shares because Facebook doesn't have it doesn't have any of those buzzwords that Facebook looks 390 00:27:32,599 --> 00:27:34,720 for to try to shut an article down. So there's something to be said 391 00:27:34,759 --> 00:27:38,160 for that. Really niche comedy that is just a laser focused in on your 392 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:42,480 one audience and hits it really well. Do you have a favorite gender of 393 00:27:42,519 --> 00:27:48,359 all the genders, the inflant genders? Do you have a favorite of all 394 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:53,240 the ones we made up? I like I like Gumba sexual, which is 395 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:57,119 a little Mario Gumba. We made up all these gender symbols and they're all 396 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,480 they're all strenned throughout the book. And we have gender flags, you know, 397 00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:06,839 so that's that's wonderful, all kinds of queer flags from California to the 398 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:12,599 Dallas Cowboys, and just a lot of great there's a lot of great gender. 399 00:28:14,039 --> 00:28:18,119 The best thing in the Book of Horse is the is our genderator, 400 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,799 which is our weight that you can generate your own gender. So that's a 401 00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:25,559 lot of fun. People get to do that in the book. So we 402 00:28:25,599 --> 00:28:27,279 have fun interactive features like that. It's always my favorite part. I'll sit 403 00:28:27,319 --> 00:28:30,039 there, big guys in the office make fun of me because I'll be sitting 404 00:28:30,039 --> 00:28:33,839 on it in our little lounge area and I'm like, yeah, check out 405 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,720 this one, you know, and I'm like generating fake genders and they're like, 406 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,920 okay, I'll get back to work, but yeah, that's a lot 407 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,160 of fun too. Well, they say, get back to work, but 408 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:47,240 clearly what you're doing is work. It's work. Yeah, exactly, really 409 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:48,319 perfect, because I was just going to ask you to take us inside the 410 00:28:48,359 --> 00:28:55,480 babble of the writer's room, which must be a mysterious place, a magical 411 00:28:55,519 --> 00:28:57,720 place. What's it like when you guys are producing a book like this, 412 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:02,440 producing content like what you do on the side every day? What's the process 413 00:29:02,519 --> 00:29:07,880 like? Yeah, so the headline writing process is not as much fun as 414 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:14,240 people would think it is because it's mostly just online chat, you know, 415 00:29:14,279 --> 00:29:18,480 slack channel type pitching stuff. And I think the very specific kind of comedy 416 00:29:18,519 --> 00:29:22,039 that we write with the headlines, that onion style, like the joke has 417 00:29:22,079 --> 00:29:29,759 to be super contained and that those eighty characters or whatever. It's less collaborative 418 00:29:29,839 --> 00:29:32,519 than you would think. Like it's very much like I have this idea, 419 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,440 I think this would do really well, and then like I'll just write it. 420 00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:38,920 But but there's once in a while where like you have a kernel of 421 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:44,319 something and you're like, I'm not really sure if this joke works for AOC, 422 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,079 maybe it'll work for Lauren Bobert instead or whatever. You know, like 423 00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:51,960 there's a little bit. There's a little bit of that of that collaboration where 424 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:53,039 someone says, oh, what about this or what about that? But the 425 00:29:53,119 --> 00:29:56,960 real fun that people think of with like a comedy writer's room comes when we're 426 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:03,240 writing our sketches and also when we're writing these books, because there is a 427 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,759 lot of sitting in the writer's room punching up each other's show, and it 428 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,519 is just literally just like sitting with the funny, funniest people that you know 429 00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:15,880 and choking around for a few hours, like have you ever been Have you 430 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,759 ever been with a group of you know, your closest friends and you're sitting 431 00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:19,960 around and you say, oh, and what if this? And then the 432 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,279 guy over there is like, oh, yeah, but but but but this 433 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,880 also and on this guy and someone else throws in something else, and you 434 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,200 just make up this ridiculous thing. Like that is the feel. It's guys 435 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,039 sitting around now I'm joking around, which is which is just a blast. 436 00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:36,160 And this this book, of course, is so funny because it's we're like 437 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,839 throwing it up on the screen, on this giant screen that we had and 438 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:42,359 we're like looking at And one guy came to our office and said, you 439 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:47,839 guys. You guys. You said you're your guys. Motto should be like 440 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:52,119 that you're serious about being funny, because I'm so like immersed in it that 441 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:56,000 I don't even realize how funny the conversations that we have are. But I'm 442 00:30:56,039 --> 00:31:02,720 sitting there and I'm like, I don't know if this picture of Carl Marx 443 00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:07,680 and address is that funny. I think we should I think we should change 444 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,039 his leg hair, you know. And I and I don't And I'm not 445 00:31:11,079 --> 00:31:12,400 cracking at all. I'm not like thinking it's funny. I'm just like, 446 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,960 yeah, I think that would be funny, you know. And then there 447 00:31:15,839 --> 00:31:18,680 we have some guests, visitors to the office while we were having this kind 448 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,039 of conversation. He's like, are you guys not cracking up all the time, 449 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,680 you know, And It's just like, what, I'm just trying to 450 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,440 write the best joke I can. I don't know, So hopefully I give 451 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,440 it a little to decide whether or not it's more or less funny that Carl 452 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,960 marks just like hair or not. Yes, yes, that's a serious question. 453 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:44,640 Do you have you found that people outside of like just the conservative space 454 00:31:45,119 --> 00:31:48,720 are now regularly Babylon be readers you must. I mean the amount of just 455 00:31:48,759 --> 00:31:52,079 the amount of followers that you guys have on social There aren't enough conservatives in 456 00:31:52,119 --> 00:31:56,480 the world. You have to have a fan base. Do you have you 457 00:31:56,759 --> 00:31:59,480 found that? Do you talk to people on the left too, like the 458 00:31:59,519 --> 00:32:01,519 Babel and yeah, I talk to people on the left to the Batman, 459 00:32:01,759 --> 00:32:07,680 I think most people in real life are normal and can laugh at themselves. 460 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:12,079 You know, I was laughing at you know, I laft at headlines from 461 00:32:12,079 --> 00:32:15,880 the Onion. I laughed at headlines from Reductress, which is like a feminist 462 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:22,000 sat there. Like, I think most people can laugh at themselves. And 463 00:32:22,319 --> 00:32:24,920 you know, humor is one of the ways that we can, you know, 464 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:29,240 reunite our country and save our country in a lot of ways, because 465 00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:31,799 I think it is the thing that that unites us. You know, Humor 466 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:39,160 is this common language that transcend transcends language. Humor is Humor is universal in 467 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:45,519 a way. But like, I never want to judge the full movement of 468 00:32:45,559 --> 00:32:50,079 the left or my political opponents based on some fringe crazy people online because obviously 469 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,359 there's a lot of people that hate the babilon be online. But I talk 470 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:57,920 to people in real life that disagree with me. Politically and follow the bablon 471 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,759 be you know, they're atheists or they're or there. I was talking to 472 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:05,519 a girl at one of one of the ladies sorry, at one of the 473 00:33:05,559 --> 00:33:07,720 events. I don't know if that's I guess that's not politically correct, but 474 00:33:07,759 --> 00:33:13,480 I mean she was a girl. I do I think that's that's how she 475 00:33:13,559 --> 00:33:17,680 presented. But she was a she was a priest, and I got a 476 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,799 mainline, you know, Anglican church or something, you know, had the 477 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:27,480 rainbow frock and you know, came up and she asked me something about like 478 00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:30,400 do you feel like sometimes you guys are too mean towards you know, like 479 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:34,400 trans issues, And I'm like, well, we're trying to be light hearder, 480 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,279 we're not trying to So we had a little conversation about it, and 481 00:33:37,359 --> 00:33:38,599 she's like, well, thanks for talking to me and answering my questions. 482 00:33:38,599 --> 00:33:40,680 She's like, I really do like most of your guys's jokes, and I 483 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:45,279 love your church jokes, and you know, so that's like, that's an 484 00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:50,799 example of somebody that you would expect to be an insane person online and you 485 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,799 talk to them in person and it's not that you know, it's I do 486 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:58,720 think Humor has this power, and it has the power to get people in 487 00:33:58,759 --> 00:34:01,920 their guards down a little bit. And if we had just written like screeds 488 00:34:02,039 --> 00:34:07,559 against transgenderism or whatever, like, nobody would read our website, and then 489 00:34:07,599 --> 00:34:09,960 nobody on the left would read our website, you know, but people do 490 00:34:10,039 --> 00:34:15,440 because because it's humor and it's disarming in a way. I wonder if the 491 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:22,760 Onion hadn't become in some ways unwilling to fully engage with the modern left and 492 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:29,119 all of its excesses and hilarity is etcetera, etcetera. I mean, I 493 00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:31,400 guess there would always be space for two of you, but that has had 494 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:36,880 to have helped the babble and be immensely that even in the comedy space, 495 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,280 there's been reluctance to to kind of poke fun at all of this stuff. 496 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,280 Yeah, I mean, to the Onions credit, they do make fun of 497 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,320 the Left. They do make fun of Biden and Democrats, and they always 498 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,559 have many fun of both sides, and they still do. But there was 499 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,679 there was kind of there's probably a noticeable tone shift maybe around the Trump era, 500 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:59,559 you know, post Obama, that shifted to like, I mean, 501 00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:02,400 you all you saw it in the late night hosts most especially, but they 502 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:07,440 were they turned from like, our job is to get to the left and 503 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:13,519 the right together and laugh at things and make make the events of the day 504 00:35:13,559 --> 00:35:19,239 look ridiculous. And because because because humor has this power to help take take 505 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,400 the anxiety out of out of the news, you know, because humor is 506 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,599 this way, like we're worried our World War three is going to happen, 507 00:35:24,639 --> 00:35:30,159 and you would turn on you know, Johnny Carson or Jay Leno or whatever, 508 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:34,000 and they just make a joke about that. They will make you go, 509 00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:36,599 Okay, it's gonna be okay, Like we can we can laugh about 510 00:35:36,599 --> 00:35:38,239 this. It has this power to bring light in the darkness in a lot 511 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:45,800 of ways. And the late night hosts once Trump, once Trump came to 512 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:50,400 power, it was like, Okay, our job is no longer to make 513 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:54,599 fun of things, because that's platforming or normalizing. We cannot normalize this man. 514 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:59,239 Our job is now to lecture our audience on what's good. You know, 515 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,800 what's good and what's bad, what's right to believe and what's wrong to 516 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:06,760 believe? And they and that loses all that makes humor lose all of its 517 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,719 power, And yeah, I guess you did see some of that with the 518 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:15,840 Onion, But that's like, that is why the Babylon be exists, is 519 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:20,760 because we were reading all these headlines. The founder of the Babylon be Adam 520 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:25,400 Forbes, reading all these headlines about about all sorry, he was reading all 521 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:30,400 these headlines from the Onion that were from this left is slant, and he 522 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:35,360 was like, this is so funny, and yet it's making like the opposite 523 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,079 point of the truth, you know. And he's like, I really wish 524 00:36:38,199 --> 00:36:43,079 that we had something like that because it's so powerful, you know. And 525 00:36:43,519 --> 00:36:45,320 if the Onion had had been right in the middle and just making fun of 526 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,880 both sides, or you know, when after the left with the same ferocity 527 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,519 and frequency as they as they went after the right, then there wouldn't be 528 00:36:52,519 --> 00:36:54,840 a Babylon Baby because we wouldn't have needed it, you know. So there 529 00:36:54,920 --> 00:37:00,159 is there is some truth to the fact that them leaning super hard left led 530 00:37:00,199 --> 00:37:05,480 to the Babylon b Yeah, and just as we're kind of wrapping up here, 531 00:37:05,519 --> 00:37:12,920 it strikes me that the Dylan Mulvaaney and Target kind of so the bud 532 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:17,960 Light target boycotts. Then you had the whole controversy with the Dodgers and the 533 00:37:19,079 --> 00:37:22,840 Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. This Pride Month was actually kind of a rough Pride 534 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:29,000 month for the Pride movement because a lot of those what average Americans would see 535 00:37:29,039 --> 00:37:34,559 as accesses were on fold display, and it felt like even to people on 536 00:37:34,599 --> 00:37:37,400 the left. I saw some analysis that this was kind of maybe a turning 537 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:42,920 point for the Pride movement, for the LGBT movement, that this particular Pride 538 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:47,760 month is when public opinion you started to backslide and you know, people woke 539 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:53,000 up to what was really happening. Do you think that's the case with these 540 00:37:53,039 --> 00:37:57,920 sex and gender issues that we've kind of it's it's peaked, and now we're 541 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,119 going, you know, maybe not backed down the hill, but sort of 542 00:38:01,079 --> 00:38:06,239 a point of broader consensus about men and women. Are we in the middle 543 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,559 of that process or do you think we're sort of yet to peek. It's 544 00:38:09,559 --> 00:38:16,320 tough to say, and it's funny when people ask me that because I always 545 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,599 say, well, I'm just a dude who tells jokes on the internet, 546 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,239 Like, I don't know, I don't know the broad sweep of Western civilization 547 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:30,000 what it's going to do. But I always go back to Tolkien you know, 548 00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:32,480 I'm doing my annual reread of Lord of the Rings right now, and 549 00:38:34,679 --> 00:38:39,360 Tolkien talks about how like we don't have the power over what happens in our 550 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,760 age, in our era, because you know, there's the famous bit with 551 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,480 Gandolf talking to Froda, but there's other there's other pieces of the steams throughout 552 00:38:47,519 --> 00:38:52,000 the books that we don't We can't decide what the weather is going to be, 553 00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:54,320 but we can tell our we can till our earth, we can defend 554 00:38:54,360 --> 00:39:02,079 our little farmstead. It's like, if Western civilization collapses, let's let it 555 00:39:02,079 --> 00:39:09,639 collapse while we're laughing about it and being joyful warriors fighting for our little slice 556 00:39:09,679 --> 00:39:13,760 of the earth. You know, I think I think there's something to be 557 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,480 said for that. And that's that's what we call people too. Is it's 558 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,039 such a funny balance being a sadder risk, you know, because it's like 559 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,039 you get to see like Western civilization collapse in real time in some ways, 560 00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:29,800 but we do it while we're sitting in sitting on a lawn chair, drinking 561 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:34,119 a beer or a non alcoholic beverage, and we're pointing at pointing at the 562 00:39:34,119 --> 00:39:36,639 world and laughing. And I think I think that's our role, you know, 563 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,000 as as comedians, is to say, well, I don't know, 564 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,480 I don't know what the trend is going to be. I don't know if 565 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,840 if this is going to come back. You see some signs of hope for 566 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:51,679 that obviously, like with all the pushback during Pride Month and stuff, I 567 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,760 don't know if that's gonna result in anything or not, or if people are 568 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:58,760 just gonna forget. I mean, the Dodgers sell out fifty five thousand seats 569 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,840 every game still, you know, so maybe people don't care about as much 570 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:05,119 as we hope they do. But maybe people's attentions fans are too short and 571 00:40:05,159 --> 00:40:08,599 we're too far gone to save save America. But but we're going to keep 572 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:15,519 laughing because you know, we serve a God whose kingdom is has outlasted all 573 00:40:15,559 --> 00:40:19,079 the other kingdoms, and a kingdom that will never fade away. You know, 574 00:40:19,159 --> 00:40:21,440 as we read in the in the Book of Daniel, it's like, 575 00:40:22,519 --> 00:40:24,360 and I think, sorry if I'm rambling, but I think that's what I 576 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:29,679 think. That's what gives Christians the right to tell jokes, you know, 577 00:40:29,679 --> 00:40:35,920 a right that I don't know how atheists tell jokes because because they're like, 578 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,800 oh, life is meeting less. It's like, yeah, well that's horrible, 579 00:40:38,119 --> 00:40:42,519 you know, Like we can we can joke about political things because politics 580 00:40:42,599 --> 00:40:45,360 ultimately, ultimately in a grand scheme of things. Obviously it matters now, 581 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:50,760 but ultimately it doesn't matter because we serve a God is sovereign and in control 582 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,039 of all this stuff. So I can I can laugh about the things that 583 00:40:53,079 --> 00:40:58,599 are going on in the news without any kind of like despair, you know. 584 00:40:59,039 --> 00:41:02,880 So. I think Chesterton wrote about that that the satirist must have a 585 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:07,239 moral grounding. If he doesn't have a moral standard, he can't tell a 586 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,960 joke because there's no The whole point of satire is to say, you should 587 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,159 be acting like this, and yet you're acting like this, and you can't 588 00:41:15,199 --> 00:41:17,599 do that unless you have this, unless you have some kind of a moral 589 00:41:17,679 --> 00:41:22,519 backing and some kind of a hope beyond this line. What I took away 590 00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:27,800 from all of that is if Frodo were a comedian, he would be Kyle 591 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,039 Man. That's it. Well, Sam Wise, you know, Sam Wise 592 00:41:31,079 --> 00:41:35,079 was the comedian. There was this I just read the part where it's Froto 593 00:41:35,119 --> 00:41:38,840 and Sam are climbing up to shelves lair and there's this giant spider attacking him, 594 00:41:39,039 --> 00:41:43,280 you know, and Sam's telling jokes and singing songs, and that's our 595 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,760 that's our goal, you know. That's that's our job, is to be 596 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:51,400 the ones that's making up dumb songs while we're walking into into doom. My 597 00:41:51,559 --> 00:41:53,920 female brain just turned off as soon as you start. Oh Man, got 598 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:58,639 them climbing up. Have you not read for have you not read Lord of 599 00:41:58,639 --> 00:42:04,119 the Rings? I've read the Hobbit many times, but oh, highly recommend 600 00:42:04,119 --> 00:42:06,719 that, even if you just do the audio books as sometimes I do the 601 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,519 audio books, and it's high recommend. I can't believe you just made me 602 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:14,800 in public on a conservative podcast. I've gotten through Lord of the Rings, 603 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:21,639 but it's a little crucifier. It's probably gonna happen. Kyle Man is the 604 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,840 editor chief over at The Babylon b and they have a new book out called 605 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:29,639 The Babylon be Guide to Gender. It's hilarious. Cow said to buy ten 606 00:42:29,679 --> 00:42:32,320 copies, by twenty copies. It's that good. Kyle Man, thank you 607 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:37,159 for coming back to Federalist Radio Hour. Thanks for having me. Of course 608 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,519 you've been listening to another edition a Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emily Deshinsky, 609 00:42:39,559 --> 00:42:43,719 culture editor here at The Federalist, will be back soon with more. Until 610 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,440 then, be lovers of freedom and anxious for the frame.