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pick up the phone in the middle of the night so I can bounce ideas
off of him about remote viewing. Former US Army Intelligence Security Command and Defense
Intelligence Agency is top secret psychic spy Remove your doctor. David Morehouse, Welcome
back to the show. How's it going to front? Im? God?
Good? Good, very sorry to hear about your father. It's been been
a very rough process in a long couple of weeks. But Dave, it's
been a minute since you've been on my friend. It's good to see you
again. How many more TV shows and documentaries have you been a part of
in films since we last We did four last year and then we're getting ready
to do it another one in Phoenix, and then I'm going to be filming
a couple of filming a couple of introductory classes, but those won't be TV
shows, but those will just be filming introductory classes. So there's a lot
of a lot of prep work and a lot of stuff going on right now.
Things are busy. Yeah, you're always busy. You're always doing something.
David is good to see you, Sandra, thanks so much, she
said for your seven ninety nine Supertrent Morning and condolences to you and your family.
Thank you very much, Sandra your kindness and support of the show.
Really appreciate it. I've been hearing a lot of people talk about remote viewing
recently and like it's like they just now have heard about it. You know,
how like things get recycled and regurgitated back to people like it's it's like
it's something new, which is very interesting to me, you know, the
recycling of old information into new information, which the community loves to do.
And definitely the popular stuff now where people always get this stuff confused, which
I think is partially in fault to Russell Targ's Third Eye Spies documentary that this
was all the CIA, right, that it was the CIA that was running
these remote viewing programs. I try and correct these people as uh as much
as I can, but it seems to just kind of fall on that years.
Like I've seen several people over the last like two months, like the
CIA is remote viewing program. This is all the information about the CIA's remote
viewing program, Like the CIA never had a remote viewing program. Well,
the CIA had a contract for the development of a determination as to whether or
not, like it was a it was a soul source contract. And I
get sick and tired of reading all the various interpretations of this freaking contract.
I mean, it just it gives me the point where I could, you
know, I'm as well stick my finger down my throat. I swear it's
like for Pete's sake, and they get a different one. It's one of
these reasons why I just just laugh at that. You every guy that steps
up that was part of the program, ol Kevri, Joe mcmonaicael pulls gip
that water, Linda yu canon me. Anybody who's still breathing that was part
of that program. If you ask them what their version of that program was,
it's all different. Everybody's got a different story about what it was.
And if you go to Target and put off mostly targ these days, and
tried to drill down to you know, what his version of the program was,
it's a version of the program that is quite frankly, just erroneous from
the start. And the reason why is this. These guys came out of
Stanford University and formed an independent research organization to go after government contracts in particular
research areas which a lot of you know, places do that I mean that's
you know, pair of labs. It's right, these things come out and
they just create themselves there because there's a lot of money in government research and
so yeah, there were several research facilities for sor right, sure, sure
there were. But what happened was I mean, you've had SAIC has been
around, pair of labs and a whole bunch of others. But the thing
that we're talking about and staying with the remote viewing story was quite simply that
the government found out. And how the government found out is still a matter
of question, which is why anybody that turns around starts trying to say that,
oh, it came from this source or that source or that source.
The truth of it is, the big rumor is that it came in from
came in from human intelligence sources. That means that somebody in the Soviet Union
or somebody in Russia, I mean in China came back and said through their
case officers that the Chinese and or the Soviets both maybe were you know,
looking for natural gifted psychics and they were going to study, studied it and
explore and research the paranormal to see if they could find a way in which
to use these people as an intelligence collection asset within their intelligence services. And
when the truth of it is, nobody has any record of that human intelligence
source, whoever that might have been. There have been some rumors tossed around
out there by a female historian, writer Richardson. I think Annie Richardson,
I think wrote a book called Come to Me in a Moment. I apologize
for not remembering it. She is a runner up for a Pulitzer Prize,
smart lady. But she's quoting this German trove of Nazi historical records which have
been attached to this thing called the Nazi Cult Bureau, which was actually not
the Nazi Cult Bureau. The Nazis were actually very skittish of the occult,
despite all of the popular rumor around that they were not in favor of it.
And this particular trove of of it's a series of letters that were written
and I've read them, I mean the interpretations of them, and did some
synopsies on them for another show that asked me directly that question. And this
writer says that the promulgating document that started the US, Soviet and Chinese psychic
War came from this stock of documents. Well, it didn't. It didn't
come from there. Now, maybe she's somebody interpreted one for her that has
not yet been interpreted. But the stack of letters that were found from a
US intelligence officer that's how they found them, comes in four categories. One
is about just simply their tracing of their area and lineage and heritage in Norway.
They're called the Norway Letters. Then there's another set of the letters which
has to do with just chasing outside in Norway and into Europe proper and even
into Great Britain looking for their language that you know, derivatives and sources and
branches and just their Aryan heritage, because that was the whole, big,
huge thing that Hitler was probing Himmler to try to sort out. Himmler took
it into the occult, but Hitler was not part of that and didn't give
a crap about that stuff. And I'll tell you more about the evidence of
that as I circled back to answer the question for you. So the next
part of it was a series of letters that were called they were looking at
other things in other sources of in another country, other sources of just the
lineage of the Aryan heritage. And then it was actually the third Settle Letters.
I skipped over it. It dealt with dowsing dowsing, So it is
a seriesies of dowsing letters, and it's talking about the Nazis use through this
research organization that was headed by Himmler, not directly under the responsibility of Hitler,
and there's no evidence that Hitler even really knew much about it, or
if he knew anything at all about it. They were dealing with dowsing,
dowsing, rods, pendulums, and some to some degree, astrology, and
what they were doing was just practicing with it, trying to perfect it,
keeping notes about it, writing about it. Guys were publishing on it.
But here's the deal is that while this organization that had relatively little to any
power whatsoever, even though it came under Himmler, was under constant attack by
the secret police and the state police and by you know, this this governming
organization for you know, for the Durabils of the people and the you know,
and the propaganda, et cetera, et cetera. And they were out
there they were any occult evidence or people studying or practicing occult or doing anything
that was a cult related. The secret police and state police were out arresting
them and putting him in prison. You had these guys not letters from Himmler.
You had the guys that worked under Himmler. Two civilians basically turned into
you know, some sort of SSS officer as a civilian, who are then
turning around and trying to get these people extricated from prison. They're trying to
get them out of prison before they're there, before they're executed, or that
they're put to work in hard labor, sent to a camp, all of
their work confiscated and not being allowed back into Himmler's hands or anybody else.
Kind of paints the picture for you for what was going on there when there's
all this conspiracy in hoopla and bullshit going around about the fact that the Nazis
were all involved in the occult. It's a good way to mystify it,
though I make it all mystical. Course, it's a really good but cult
called Occultism in Nazism or the occult in Nazism. And if you read that
book, you can just search by the title something Parallel that you'll see the
guy. It's been around for a long time. It is probably the most
definitive work if you really want to read a truthful work about it that really
goes through it. And what they basically say about this is it's all been
under researched and all been overstated and sensationalized. This whole Nazi and the occult
parallel from movies to you freaking name it, they were, it's all been
sensationalized. Anyway. This writer says that this is where the promulgating documents came
from. Well, I've read them. I didn't find anything that had to
do with dowsing, dowsing rods, astrology, and pendulum work that had anything
to do with psychic warfare or anything else. So back to seventy nineteen seventy,
there's an alleged that human intelligence sources indicated this to the CIA. The
CIA then turned around and asked are we doing anything like this the director of
the CIA, to which the response from Gottlieb and others was no. So
they turned around and they let a contract. They will put out a request
for proposals, one assumes, and they have to do that under federal contracting.
I know that because I am one. So people put back a response
to that from you name it, Saiic Pair Labs, whoever else was out
there. They all said, yeah, we would like to get a piece
of this contract, and here's how we would go about this. What For
whatever reason, the contract was sole sourced to SRI International and Palo Alto headed
up by Target put off at the time. Now the contract was on again
off. In a soul Source content track typically goes for one base year followed
by up to five option year, so a six years in a contract.
I don't even think that the first contract soul Source lasted that long. And
then it was turned over to something else, funded through another avenue, back
and forth, back and forth. Now you have to understand that the agency
itself could have been doing that, like pulling the contract, you know,
pushing it around from the right flank by some other name, some other funding
avenue, just to keep it to the point that people didn't know actually what
was going on. I would not put them that past them, in fact,
I think that would probably be a logical explanation for that. But funding
came, it went, it came, it went again, It came from
other places. Bottom line is they were given at SRI and it was it
was a contract that was wrought with a bunch of deliverables, but having read
it many times and being a contract and tell you that it was, I
could distill it down to three primary deliverables. First one is, can you
prove scientifically beyond a doubt that there is a human ability to see something distant
in space time in other words, esp or a psychic ability clairvoyance if you
want to look at a more appropriate term, clairvoyant clare, audient clare,
sentient clairvoyance. Okay? Is that provable? And that was their first deliverable,
which was to come back and say, to the chagrin of every skeptic
in the world, they came back and said, Yep, it's there and
it's real, and we've proved it and we believe our research. And the
CIA then turned around and said okay and put in two auditing research agencies to
go check out their work, to say is their science good, is their
data analysis and their summaries good? Or are their flaws there that we need
to know about and it means that we can't trust their work. Those two
research agencies did their work. There were some small findings that just that of
corrective procedures, which I would have expected because if you're the one that has
the contract and the other two research agencies didn't get the contract, they put
the proposal in for it, they're going to try to find something something wrong
with it. Yeah, of course, So then what they found were minor
and correct a chief actions were taken or not taken, as the case may
be. But their second deliverable in the contract was can you tell us who
is capable of doing this so we can go find them and mind them like
the Soviet is doing and like the Chinese are doing out of their populations.
We need to know what we need to be looking for so we can go
get them, recruit them, bring them in, train them, and use
use them. Since you've proven that it is a viable capability, this clairvoyance.
Yeah, that's what the Project Syndicate document was all about, and by
SRI in seventy three was testing to see if it was a viable source of
information and if it can be used for intelligence and data collection. But I
guess my point here is that just because the CIA funded a program doesn't mean
that the CIA ran a program. That's what people that's where people are getting
confused. It is, but the CIA has a big attachment to the program,
which is why people can't let go of that. The CIA started this,
the CIA got it going for the reasons I so indicated. The third
point, the third deliverable, was can you develop a training program for this?
Meaning? Well, the answer to the second deliverable was, and it
was actually verbally reported by targ many times as well as in written documents,
said, our research has indicated that we have found that this is an ability
unique to no one. It is inherent to every human being. Every human
being has this ability, and all they have to do to recognize it is
to be willing to explore it openly without prejudice, and then you know they
can see this unfold for them as well. The third deliverable, which was
can you replicate this? Meaning can you train it? This is the thing
that they failed miserably on repeatedly because these guys are physicists, mathematicians, psychologists,
psychiatrists, right, they haven't got the slightest idea how to develop a
military training program, and therefore they failed miserably. And the military was waiting
for this, and they failed, and they failed because they're not educators,
they are scientists, they are recent they design research programs. They capture data
and analyze and log and report on their data findings. This is what these
guys do. They don't train soldiers in any way, shape or form,
and they also work. Because they couldn't do that, they weren't going to
train other people to be capable of doing it. Didn't matter if they worked
at the DIA or the CIA, or wherever they might have worked. Now,
I spoke with Ingosquan's Ingo Swan specifically about what happened, and he tried
very hard to get Russell Targe and help put Off to listen to him about
his stages. His Coordinateroomo viewing training program, of which he had utilized many
times, taught many people to do this reference in Natural esp Is book and
in other books that he wrote in those years. But he couldn't get these
guys to listen to him and do what it is that he wanted them to
do it. And albeit he was kind in some of his written portrayals of
this stuff, I so testified to you that he told me many times that
he wanted to take a hammer to Russell Tard's head, and he meant that
figuratively, saying he's such a hardhead, and he won't listen to what I'm
trying to tell him to do. That I just, you know, wanted
to beat him for it, because it was worthless INGOs Swan then was given
the mission to train US military intelligence personnel, starting with folks like mcmonacle,
Paul Smith, Lynn Buchanan, Mel Riley, Okay, Ed Dames, you
know, et cetera, et cetera. I came in way down the road
from these people, and I was also not an intelligence officer. I was
a special Operations you know, Infantry company commander. I commanded an airborne rifle
company, airborne rifle platoon, commanded an Airborne Ranger company, and first Ranger
Battalion later at Airborne Battalion. That's what kind of guy I was. I
was not one of those guys. I was not like them. I wasn't
wired the same way. I didn't think the same way. I didn't plan
to be there longer than a three year tour, and I was out of
there to go back to be with troops and to go to Commander gil Staff
College. None of that was in the cards for those guys. Most of
those guys stayed there well over a decade. They might have left for a
small two year turnaround tour somewhere and then come back again, but they were
there forever. Now was the CIA in charge of the Inscom unit? Absolutely
not. Did they have input to it? I mean did they send message
traffic and you know, stay connected to it, Yes they did. But
did they run the program? No? They were not telling a two star
and a three star Army general meaning thoms Ed Thompson, the Deputy Chief of
Staff for Intelligence and Stubblebind who was the commander of Inscom a two star position.
They didn't tell them what to do that does that lash up doesn't work?
You know, that's nowhere in the inventory where generals are being told by
the CIA what to do that doesn't work. It isn't there. They may
be sitting in the same conference room, and they may you know, in
a boardroom like in you know the Kennedy bea pigs or in the Kennedy you
know Cuban missile crisis where you've seen you know, those kinds of lash ups.
Certainly those four stars are sitting in there, the chairman of the Joint
Chiefs and the Joint Chiefs, not two star and three star generals, the
four stars that are over these different agencies as chiefs of staff of Air Force,
chief of Staff of the Navy, chief of staff, et cetera.
Right, that's the only lash up that's there with the where the agency ever
has influence. They sit in the same room, around the same table with
them, and they make their comments on the intelligence situation, and then others
make decisions about what's going to be enacted upon based on what the whole total
picture is. But nothing CIA is not in charge of general officers. Yeah,
just really pisses me off hearing these people talk about these remote viewing programs
and they get everything wrong, even some of the people that were in the
programs, and they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about, but speak
like it's all facts. I mean, I've tried my best to clear up
a lot of the common misconceptions about the program, you know, bringing yourself
on and others on that and literally reading through every single document that I could
find and get my hands on, but again it seems to just kind of
fall by the wayside. But here's one that we can try and clear up
really quickly, and we've already kind of touched on it. So it kind
of connected. So one of the things I hear a lot of the times
from the doubters of remote viewing, the people that don't believe that it's possible,
that they don't believe in any kind of psychic abilities, say that remote
viewing has never been scientifically proven. What's your response to that, David,
Well, that's bullshit. Since I just explained to you that it was.
That's again, that's that I'm gonna. I'm gonna the very nice definition of
somebody it speaks like that is is somebody that is ignorant of actual scientific fact.
Uh. And then if you keep repeating something from an ignorant position in
life, then you can be qualified as just fucking stupid. So if you
want to be called stupid, then just keep talking like that. It was
absolutely proven by the CIA, which was, as I said in my comments,
the reason why everybody who does believe in this should be looking at this
and being very grateful for the work done during that time and the proof given.
I mean, the results of their experiments in a declassified form were even
published in the I Triple E in March nineteen seventy six. You know,
that's the Institute for electrical and electronics engineers. That's like being published in the
Journal of the American Medicine Association. If you're an engineer, it's published there,
and it wasn't ripped apart by people because people were looking at it in
the seventies and reading it for what it was. It has some disinformation in
it that targets the Soviet and targets China, but that's to be expected.
But it's still you see the list of the scientists that were involved in this,
that published on this. So to have somebody turn around and say something
like that, then I just I just love to laugh at them, I
mean right smack in their face, because that's just somebody that's parroting what some
parent, some here, or what some priest or what or what some you
know, scientists who also knows nothing about it might turn around and say,
because that doesn't come from direct experiments or direct research or you know, reading
and research on their part to determine the truth of the issue, it just
ends up them being the individual that parrots that. What you know, two
percent of the population say, which is there's nothing beyond the physical. It's
a big popular position to aspire to nowadays, to be a non believer of
anything other than a believer of bullshit and conspiracy. So yeah, it's definitely
say that it's been scientifically proven. I mean that was the whole goal of
the funding of the research ATSR I was to figure out how scientifically determined if
remove viewing psycho energetic phenomenon was real. And they ran a series of tests
and that's how they got the coordinator Remove Viewing from the project syndicated document from
SRI in nineteen seven, which is in the beginning, was a blind test
to determine to make sure if the remove you were test subjects at us all
right, weren't getting the information in any other ways like every scientific protocol used
in the you know, and the proper layout of the experiment, et cetera,
and the analysis of the data. And people would know this stuff if
they read the documents, right, if they read the documents, But they're
lazy and they just don't want to read it. Like I said, you
know, some some uh you know, professor of nothing somewhere in high school
probably said, you know that there's nothing to this stuff, it's crap,
or you know, they stepped up in church and asked the question, and
somebody said, well, you know that's not godlikes so no, human beings
don't have that ability. Only God has that ability. And then they walk
away now going yeah, there's nothing to this. I mean, there's no,
there's nothing to this human ability. But hey, let's be honest.
Look around at the rise of the con out there that claims psychic ability and
all this other stuff. I mean, they're on every street corner at this
particular point in time. You know, if you're one of these people who
got built out of the one eight hundred psychic cotline or a nine hundred psychic
cotline, you know, spent three thousand dollars in a month trying to figure
out whether your dog was still alive after it had died, you might,
you know, be in trouble with something like that, but are pissed off
about it. And I understand that there's just been so much you know,
bs that accompanies all of this, and it's not talked about in a scientific
process. It just becomes these free for alls. Right, they loop it
right in there with ayahuasca and you know, psilocybin and exactly, and it's
like no, no, no, no, no, that's not the same
thing. And no, it's not the same thing as trans medium work.
And no, it's not the same thing as astro projection, and no,
it's not the same thing as being a shaman. And no, it's not
the same thing any of the other stuff. It is a militarily it's a
military dogma, a protocol. It is a protocol for the extraction of information
from the unconscious mind. And the unconscious mind is tied into something that you
might want to call something like the holographic matrix field or the collective unconscious or
the akasher character. I don't care what you want to call it, but
it is akin to that. It's actually considered to be like eight dimensional hyperspace.
Okay, but that's a little more complicated to explain, you know,
in two minutes. So but if you are truly interested in that, look
it up and don't Google it for crying out loud, you know, for
he's sake, you know, if you've got to really researching something, get
the hell off Google. Oh no, okay, use Google, Google scholar,
okay, because at least that'll then take you to peer reviewed research in
the area that you're asking for, and then you can dig down deep into
that, or go to the library, you know, and have them look
up these research documents for you, get the titles, give them to them,
let them pull out peer reviewed research. But I'll be willing to bet
you probably most of people don't know how to read that, but that's okay.
Keep at it. Ask some questions of other people who do know how
to read it, and you can learn how to read it. It's a
difficult thing to do. Most of the physicians I know don't know how to
read pay reviewed research, but that's okay. You know, they're still good
at what they do. So yeah, I think some of it, you
know, with people saying, oh, well, you know, remote viewing
has never been scientifically studied, I think that they're throwing the baby out with
the bathwater. Whenever the CIA took over the program in ninety five and then
shut it down basically saying we've talked about it several times on the show before,
you know, saying that there wasn't any actionable data that came out of
the remove viewing program. And I think they're taking that statement and obviously not
reading all of the documents that prove that remote viewing is one real and is
a actual ability that everyone has the capability to do. And I think that
they're just throwing it, They're just dowing the whole thing out. Yeah,
just acting in ignorance, ignorance. And then how are also, too,
Dave, How are we supposed to get the public familiar with these kinds of
topics when it comes to removing I mean, it can be really anything.
It can be UFOs, it can be extraterrestrials, which I don't believe that
they actually exist, but that's a whole other thing. How are we supposed
to get the public familiar with what has been classified as woo woo topics when
the community itself is really at odds with each other and there's so much miss
and disinformation about these programs out there. I think that, you know,
it's a very good question, writer, and it has to be answered I
think pretty simply, which is, we're all endowed with this really wonderful thing
called free agency, which means that we have the ability to ask questions and
then act upon the answers that we're given or you know, based on you
know, what we see to be truth. So if you want to find
things out, then stop, you know, stop getting your news on social
media, which puts you again into the you know, that puts you into
the ignorance on steroids category. And then stop, you know, stop googling
for your answers or going to Quora or going to read it or some other
place. No offense to people that do, but I'm just telling you,
if you really want to know something and know the truth about something, then
roll up your sleeves. Your intelligent human beings or you're not, but most
of you are intelligent human beings. Go search and rese search and read,
you know, funded peer reviewed studies that have a peer reviewed means that somebody
actually looks at it. It's in a colleague to those who have done the
work, or maybe a competitor to those who have done the work, and
they can pick apart the science if they choose to. But it's a process
of reading and following and following and reading, and it may take you,
you know, six hours to get the answer to your question of intensive reading
and researching to get to it. Or you know, you can you can
check what's happening on X and go with it from there, you know,
or or some other or TikTok may have your answer for you or something.
But if you're not getting my sarcasm byasm, is that the whole what's happened
to two generations of young people now is they have decided that that's where truth
lies, and so you know, they'll go to that. They'll seek,
you know, whatever common ground is there and whatever process by which people are
dressing and you know, lashing out at others and calling people names and doing
all the other things. They just you know, they revel and live in
that area. They've lived there for six, eight, ten, twelve hours
a day, and when they come up for air, when people are speaking
or trying to speak to them intelligently and trying to inspire and encourage them to
use their frickin mind and go find real answers to things and stop making your
life be an endless process of thumb work on these ridiculous platforms that have been
around since what nineteen seventy eight. Now there's a direct correlation in everything shitty
in our lives to the advent of social media. And there again, I'm
not going to say here and give you all of it. I'm just going
to tell you if you want to know the rise and the murder rate and
that there is, in fact, multiple studies that have been done, including
those one by per you research over time, talking about the direct rise in
crime and cyber crime and murder and human trafficking right to the advent of social
media, that the more there is of it, the more you use it,
that the greater the arc of correlation is between those platforms and all the
bad things that are going on in our lives. Okay, that's all I'm
gonna say about it. If you want to know about it, I already
gave you one of the research. Go look up the Pew research. Just
read that one, and then look at their references, and then look at
the next one and the next one and the next one, and get smart
on it, Okay, and understand how derogatory it is and it is getting
has become and is just getting bigger. You're all worried about the wrong things
in this life, all of you. Well. Also, research doesn't mean
reinforce your preconceived notions and bias. No it doesn't. No, it does
not exactly so, which is very excellent point, which is why when I
say look at peer reviewed research, it means you're stepping into something based on
the title that it says, it is addressing and you won't know and go
pass the abstract, okay, read what they have done and how they did
it, and what their outcomes were, and get all the way to the
point of their conclusions, and then start to, you know, make some
notes in your head or on paper. And I will tell you what a
general once told me after I stepped right in it and said the stupidest thing
that I could say, and I was stupid. I made a comment about
something in the Vietnam War to this general, he was a three star general
on the way to the fourth fourth star. He looked right over at me
and he said, you are the most unqualified person to open your mouth about
something like that, to which I then felt about as big as a penny
stands call right. And then the guy sends to me, he goes,
look, you're not stupid, but you're flapping your app about something you don't
know anything about. And he was absolutely right. I probably read two books
if that on the point. The thing that I was drawing is a point
of negativity towards a unit in Vietnam, an American unit in a battle.
And what he said to me was, here's my advice to you, if
you want to progress in this profession and speak like you just spoke, you
read ten books on either side of the argument, and we read ten books
on either side of the argument, then you can formulate or are qualified to
formulate an opinion as to which you support. But if you're really intelligent,
you'll be able to find the highlights and the good points in both arguments,
as well as the flaws in both arguments. Then you know what the hell
you're talking about. But until that happens, you're just you're just passing hearsay
an opinion, just like everybody else. Then that is what I meant by
reading other things that doesn't confirm your preconceived notions and your biases already. Right,
you want to read the other side of the aisle. You want to
read what they're talking about as well, so then you can formulate your own
opinion properly. You know both sides of the story, then you have all
the information. When you have all the information, you can make educated decisions
even when it hurts, meaning even when you disagree with it. And it's
really one of the harder things for you to read. You know, this
does not draw a direct parallel to what we're talking about. But back to
the Vietnam thing. If you're reading something on both sides of the argument,
you're reading critics of what the unit was or why the battle happened, or
of the decisions made by American commanders, and then the decisions made by Vietnamese
commanders, North Vietnamese commanders or viet Cong commanders, all those kinds of things,
and all the political wranglings from both South and North Vietnam, et cetera,
of what was going on, and you're reading it all and a lot
of it. If you particularly, if you feel like you stand on one
side of the argument or another, is difficult to read and you have to
really surrender to You have to surrender this requirement within yourself to be right.
It's a difficult thing to do, but if you can master that, even
in any way, shape or form, you'll get along a lot better with
other humans. You'll get along better in relationships with other people, because if
you give up the requirement to be right, that's really the only time you
know that love and understanding and intellect and diplomacy can prevail. When you give
up that requirement to be right. I'm certainly not perfect of that, and
I certainly cannot tell you I've mastered that, but it has certainly been a
rule of life that I've carried with me, you know, just behind my
eyes for you know, fifty five years of my life. Anyway, Well,
that was a very profound segment of the conversation. I hope people really
dial in on that section. But and here says, uh, how's it
going on? Good to see you? She says, why I could do's
We'll say that people who peer review scientific papers are in on it. I've
seen that a lot, right, see that a lot. They'll be like,
oh, they're a part of the whole operation. They're they're just uh,
you know, it's it's the blame game, you know, it's to
blame somebody and confirm what you're seeing. Yeah, there's a there's a thing
that talks about conflict in the course of miracles, and I always misquote it,
but somebody it's close to me and was explaining it to me the other
day and saying, you know that it explains in the course of miracles that
if you if you are in constant conflict with everything, that there's a reason
why you're in this conflict, and it lays out you know why you're in
conflict. But the most poignant piece of this was that if you remain in
this conflict over long periods of time and ultimately break through to the point that
what you consider a version of truth to be made manifest to you shows up.
The question is the really poignant piece of this is then so what?
So what? Then? Now? What happens? You know? And then
what happens is if you don't understand what's being told you there, what happens
is you just go for another reason to be offended. So you'll go find
something else to be offended by, and you'll just be in this constant do
loop of conflict and conflict, self created conflict, pissed off at everything,
and look around at us right now. There's a reason why I just stopped
watching the news, you know, twenty three years ago, just I just
actually twenty four now. I just stopped because I found every time I looked
at the news, it didn't matter what channel I was looking at. It
didn't it didn't matter between the commercials and the talking heads, you know,
in the new flavors of lettering and music and other things that were on there.
It was just not Walter Concrete anymore, you know, or any other
or Ted Kopper or anybody. I mean, so I just was like,
I'm done with this, and I just went chunk and I stopped watching it.
And I've never watched it since, never watched it since. You know
what, I haven't been hit by a title wave, didn't walk into any
wars you know that I didn't know about. And you know, I just
haven't done I haven't been surprised by anything. Really, didn't stay into a
riot shopping for shoes and going, oh my god, I'm in a riot.
I had watched the news, I would have known there's a riot,
and I didn't know. I should have watched the news. So I don't
do it, and don't. I don't associate with, or listen to,
or read from, or participate in any of those things that just lessen how
I feel about things. I don't want to be part of something that causes
me to to live in conflict all the time. Life is too short.
I'm seventy years, I'll be seventy in September. I mean, you don't
look a day over forty. What are you talking about? But that's kind
of what you're we're previously talking about, though, is is social media is
starting to turn into the news now. I mean we have ads running like
all the time. I mean all the streaming services now have ads. Like
you got to pay a premium price to get streaming services without ads, Like
that's like over if you had every streaming service, you'd probably be paying with
that for the ad free version of the streaming service, like three hundred dollars
a month, which is like double the price of original cable. But they
realized really quickly that the ads were beneficial and they weren't getting the money that
they needed because the streaming services didn't have ads. So now they've just baked
in all the ads into the streaming services. It's unbelievable. Amazon just did
it. You used to get Amazon Prime for free if you had Amazon Prime
delivery service. Now that's not the case. Now anything you watch on Amazon
Prime has ads. Yeah. Yeah, it's there's another thing. Another Pew
research, the study that I read recently that was just talking about the fact
it was talking about the fact that Americans under thirty North Americans under thirty years
of age meaning Canada as well, under thirty years of age in a recent
Pew Research poll, and their poles are large. I mean, they don't
do like two thousand people, they do like four hundred thousand people. So
in polling four hundred thousand people or plus, the research came back and indicated
that in North Americans under the age of thirty, that they believe social media
before they believe any other media outlet. Now I don't doubt that. I
mean, I can't how do you choose the lesser of both those evils?
But clearly both both kinds of media now are doing their own thing. And
they're doing it not because they're trying to inform you. They're doing it because
they're trying to inflame you and inflame you to keep coming to their site to
continue to be inflamed. Because why because that's what makes money. You know,
it goes from old newspaper adages that you know, murder sells or and
you know and husband Love's wife does not sell newspapers, so that doesn't sell
newspapers. So anything they can do to stir you up and piss you off
and get you riled and again to keep you in your own conflict, if
you can keep you in conflict, then they know that you'll keep staying there.
You'll keep going there to be fed, to have something this this insatiable
growing human need to be pissed off and in conflict about something, which is
not new. It's just on steroids now. Because of the ease with which
you can find things to inflame you and keep you in conflict. Humans have
always found a way to stay in conflict about something. I mean, if
we didn't, there wouldn't have ever been a war, right, But we
always have found for millennia a way to do that. And before we had
organized armies that were doing it, we had tribes doing it everywhere. Well,
not only conflict with other people in other countries, but a conflict within
your very being in direct conflict with yourself. And I think that that is
a is very important as well, and that people don't really understand a lot
of this is set up for confusion. It's set up for you not to
know what's going on. It's set up for you to a division is pretty
much, and not only a division among people, but the division within yourself.
Yeah, I just you know, I just wish, you know that
the youth of this planet would come back into some focus and understand that they're
being they're in conflict with all the wrong things. You know, they're in
conflict with all the wrong things. It's you know, it's like I shared
with you, you know, some time earlier. The largest growing, the
largest industry in the face of the planet right now outpaces the oil industry and
anything else you can think of, is human trafficking. Human trafficking. The
US government is easy to say that there's only twenty seven twenty seven point six
million slaves. Twenty seven point six million slaves, and that's what they're saying,
is the figure that should be quoted. If you go to Department of
Homeland Seer Security, if you go to the FBI, if you go to
a Department of Justice, if you go to the United Nations, it's right
around and there. And the United Nations keeps it low because the United Nations
is supposed to be the big, big, overseeing international governing body that's supposed
to be looking out for this kind of stuff. But you know what we're
really saying, You can go to the other sources that are reporting it from
a, in my opinion, a more truthworth perspective, because in my opinion,
they don't have anything to gain or to lose by putting out that particular
figure. However, Department of Homeland Security to a certain degree does, as
does Department of Justice or the FBI or someone else, because they have to
answer to that on some level. If that is indeed the fact, I
don't know how you can, in your mind, as a government agency,
justify twenty seven point six million slaves. I don't understand that. Now,
that's just slaves. That's not talking about human people who are being human human
trafficked as human beings for sex, or for forced labor, or in pedophilia,
child sex, all of those things. But now the numbers run upwards
of something of like the unofficial numbers, not accepted by the UN or most
government agencies, but they run upwards in the neighborhood of somewhere between seventy and
eighty million slaves. That's more slaves right now, more slaves meaning being forced
to work or have sex or something else against your will. There are more
slaves right now than there have ever been in the history of recorded human history
on this planet right now. Now, how did we let ourselves get to
this point? And the biggest consumer of that through pornography and prostitution, you
know, child sex, and also forced labor in various institutions like restaurants.
Maybe your favorite restaurant might have dishwashers and floor moppers and other things in there
who are there against their will that have been farmed out. You could go
to the Department of Homeland Security if you want to get smart on this.
They actually have classes, classes online classes that teach you how to find traffic
humans, how to spot them in a restaurant or in a real retail store,
retail and in the retail industry. They teach you how to spot them
and they certify you through about I don't know, like twelve different courses online
courses for that. You want to get smart, and you want to look
you want to help, you want to make try to make a positive difference.
Do that or just go get pissed off on X and TikTok and you
know, and chase your chase your self around and around, set your hair
on fire over UAPs or something else. But you're worrying about the wrong kinds
of things. Trying to look up the statistics right now on the human trafficking,
it's very difficult to find. I have to lunch a little bit more
more into it. Yeah, so I can't really I can't really comment on
it because I haven't actually looked it up. But primary government sources are Department
of the FBI, Apartment of Homeland Security, Okay, and then the UN
is the outside, and then you can go to the equivalents of those Department
of Justice, FBI and Department of Homeland Security. You can also get from
the from Immigration Customs from them or the US Border Patrol. They both of
those also have statistics of what they consider traffic humans that are being brought across
the border and the rates at which they are being brought across the border.
So it's it's pretty unnerving. Yeah, all, I just try to type
it in really quickly. About the all I'm getting right now is the amount
of people that have been caught or prosecuted for human trafficking in twenty twenty three,
twenty two. I would have to type something else in, but I
don't really want to do while we're having this conversation. But I kind of
wanted to switch gears, not completely away from the remote viewing thing, but
a little bit more into UFOs and extraterrestrials. Here for a second in nineteen
forty seven, because nineteen forty seven a lot of weird stuff happening in nineteen
forty seven. The Cold War started in nineteen forty seven, all this weird
things happening in nineteen forty seven. You also have Kenneth Arnold's famous sightings in
nineteen forty seven in Washington State. You have the Roswell Evan in nineteen forty
seven. You have the National Security Act of nineteen forty seven, which created
a reorganization of foreign policy and the military establishments of the government, and the
Air Force was born out of that National Security Act, along with the CIA
and the DoD ALL came out of this National Security Act of nineteen forty six,
having which I feel really feel like through the research that I've done,
that nineteen forty seven really feels like a big turning point for the direction that
the United States was going. And later the NSA was established, I believe
in nineteen fifty two, and you have the Washington Flap event of nineteen fifty
two with the UFOs over the White House. Then you have DARPA and fifty
eight I believe, and that same year in NASA was formed. I believe
in fifty eight and Thedia in sixty one, and so on and so on.
But it really feels like the infancy of a lot of government policy really
came after World War Two in nineteen forty seven. Did you only address that
or well, just the way that you think of what was happening after World
War two and how a lot of these agencies came about after the war and
pretty much in nineteen forty seven, and then you have the all the events
you have the roswell evange I got it. December nineteen forty five is when
it began. This a guy by named the Army. He was the Chairman
of the Joint Chiefs. He was an Army Air Corps general later a US
Air Force general. His name was Henry Arnold. He was a four star
general. I worked with a doctor, Theodore von Carmen, and they put
into motion December of nineteen forty five a written order for a fifty year vision
of strategic intelligence operations in space. They actually established a US Air Force Scientific
Advisory Board and project ran with Rand Corporation. And what they did is they
did this because the space War began in December of nineteen forty five, This
particular general, along with others that were parts of the Joint Chiefs, and
their underlings in those Joint Chiefs had gone, you know, pure clause wits
on this and decided rightly so that the nature of war will never change.
Only the way in which war is fought and where war it will be fought
will change. And they recognized that the next dimension of wort warfare that needed
to be looked at very carefully and prepared for was the dimension of space.
They had no idea about cyber war at that particular time. For crying,
I allowed to December nineteen forty five, were still flying around piston driven airplanes.
The only people that jed air draft were the Germans. So you know.
So Eisenhower formed the National Econotics and Space Act NASA, and he did
that in twenty nine July of nineteen fifty eight, and he did that ten
months after the Soviet Union launched Sputnik. Okay, so that's when that came
about. Now, NASA was developed for a different reason than the Space War.
NASA had nothing to do with the Space War. NASA, if you
read back and look back and or remember any of those days which I did
because I was young, but young enough to know things that were going on.
It was posed as a discovery and an exploration and a great humanitarian effort.
That's what NASA was supposed to be. It was not part of the
space war. It was part of the space race, which got everybody looking
at a space race like, oh boy, you know, we're all in
this together. It could be the Soviets or it could be us, but
hey, we're all gonna you know, it's about getting man on the moon
so we can you know, project discovery and exploration for human beings. That's
why there's a sculpture on the moon. Did you know this? The uh?
Is it a plaque? No, the plaque is supported and it supports
the structure. The actual sculpture itself is three inches tall, made out of
brushed aluminum, which was done by an Eastern European sculptor, and it's entitled
Fallen Astronaut. It was carried up there illegally by the mission commander, I
think Apollo fifteen, and it was taken up there and put on there,
and he got his ass in a big ringer for having done it, because
hey, the space loads on board the aircraft are measured in grams and balanced
appropriate verus. They get only a personal pocket and personal stuff like a pocket
sized envelope, and they're only allowed to put so many you know, ounces
or grams in that envelop of things that they're going to take up there.
But they were taking thousands of envelopes that were stamped by, you know,
by the NASA administration, postmarked the NASA for Apollo fifteen going to meet.
So when they brought those back, these guys had this little cottage industry of
selling crap, and they had made a promise to this artist that they were
gonna let him. They were going to put his sculpture fall an Astronaut on
the Moon, very close to the rover, and a plaque that was there
that honored all the names of the fallen cosmonauts and US astronauts that are on
that plaque. So now the plaque and the fallen astronite statue are there.
But the US government then launched this huge investigation into it. NASA did because
you're not supposed to do that, but they caught them doing it and spanked
them pretty hard. And I don't think anybody that was on that mission ever
flew another mission again, I think, well, I know that there's someone
buried on the moon too, right, the founder of the founder of astrology.
I believe Gene Shoemaker, his ashes was buried on the moon. And
who took his ashes up there? I don't know. I'd have to look
it up. Okay, I'm shaking my head like, nope, I'm shaking
my head going I had no idea, but hey, I just told you,
you know that Gus Grissom was going to take dimes up, you know,
and did until he you know, the capsule bolts blue and the capsule
sunk, and he kind of went down to shame and that before he got
burned up later. But you know, hey, they were all doing that,
and that's a whole that industry right now of like space memorabilia. These
guys make millions of dollars. I mean millions of dollars. You have a
pair of space gloves or a pair of boots, or a helmet or anything
else that went up or went on the moon and came back again. It's
worth more money than you know, creases what up. It's just unbelievable.
It was carried up in July of thirty one. Gene Shoemaker. Some of
his ashes were carried to the Moon by the Lunar Prospector space Probe and a
capsule designed by Caroline Portco. So it was carried out by a had to
be Was it private? Provided the service at NASA's request, So I guess
it was by NASA's request. Hold on, I can bring up the name,
my friend, because it doesn't sound like something NASA would do. But
hey, I don't know, don't what do I know about what NASA?
Here's Gene Eugene Shoemaker here death on July thirty first, nineteen ninety nine.
Some of his ashes were carried to the Moon by Prospectors Space Probe and a
council designed by Caroline Porco provided They this company right here, Celestius Celestius Inc.
Provided the service at NASA's request, commercially making Shoemaker's ashes the first private
delivery to the Lunar Service. So yeah, it was done by a private
company. Yeah, I had to get back to you on that. I
mean, I'm not saying didn't that, but I just it sounds fishy to
me. But anyway, lots of weird crap has happened. Hey, we
just sent a private probe to the moon. Just landed on the moon.
Yeah, and some other guy put a car up there. Huh, not
on the moon, but it's just floating around in space up there. Yeah.
Yeah, but to carry your timeline there. It was in sixty one,
sixty one that President Kennedy actually stood before Congress. And this is an
interesting thing. The title of is the title of his remarks to Congress were
urgent national needs and he was asking for seven to nine billion dollars. He
got nine billion dollars, seven of which went to the Space war effort.
Two billion went to NASA. And that was where he stated also and around
that time, that that were going to put a man on the Moon before
the end of the decade, which would have been, you know, nineteen
seventy. And that was in sixty nine. That's when Apollo with eleven landed
with Armstrong, Collins and Aldron, and we put a man on the moon.
But that was the space Race, not the Space War. The Space
War which was going on behind all of that, which was much more sinister
in macob than what you might think, because we were in a fricking It
was a war and it still is a war. It was in fifty eight,
seven months before Eisenhower. It's actually twenty four January nineteen fifty eight,
seven months before Eisenhower established NASA. The Air Force Aeronautics Development Program that that
general had started with the PhD physicist was submitted to the Defense Department articulating five
major systems that the Air Force wanted to put it pursue into space. First
was weapons, okay, So in nineteen fifty six they started the ballistic tests
on related systems that they were going to put as weapons in space. On
platforms. They wanted manned hypersonic and unmanned hypersonic research to include space vehicles.
They wanted an orbiter, bomter, inceptor and reconnaissance variance. They wanted a
US Air Force crewed military strategic space station, and they got all these,
okay. It was called a Whiskey Sierra one one seven LIMA, and that
space station occurred. I was in the classified Air Force Museum at Wright Patterson
Air Force Base, Jeez a long time ago, now like maybe eight years
ago, seven eight years ago, and I saw four US Air Force astronaut
uniforms hanging there in the area that had the space wars stuff you know stuff
that was now in the museum. That was where I found out, like
in nineteen fifty five we were sending unmanned aerial reconnaissance drones over the Soviet Union
in fifty five and earlier. I didn't think we had drones until you know
that we're operating like that until geez, well into in the sixties or the
seventies at the earliest. And I mean I never even heard of them in
a military application for like a infantry division, like an airborne division until the
Predator, and that was in like ninety one, ninety two somewhere or in
that time. Per would this command post be related, this airborne command post
be related to the Operation Looking Glass that happened in nineteen sixty one, which
is by the Air Force to put a nuclear command post in space. That's
the Lunux project. If I think, if you're talking about the idea to
put there were the idea was to put an actual manned weapons base on nuclear
weapons base on the Moon. It was also part of the Space Wars project.
So don't I can't name the projects for you. Projects our look,
projects come and go like toilet paper. They don't. You may see one
stick. You may have one that gets released or something, but the thing
that's important, or the promulgating documents stated by the Air Force to the Department
of Fence, this is what we're going to do. Whatever black project that
they call it at the time being could have ten variants of that same objective
a black project under that and those projects are named sometimes just to hide money.
So you could get a project that might be called something, and everybody
thinks, oh my god, this is it, and this is what it's
about. And if you ever get back to the project manager, the civilian
it actually created it, oftentimes they'll say, yeah, I just needed a
place to bury reconnaissance aircraft development, so I created this black project. And
then we had six reconnaissance aircraft in development in this thing. And out of
the six that were in development under a black project, they may take two
that they consider that are worthy of still being a black project, and those
stay as a black project, and you will never know what those are,
and it will get a different project name, which are now considered gray projects.
Then all of a sudden, that project, you know, project whatever
book gets thrown out there and then everybody's like, oh, now I know,
no you don't know. You know, what they're letting you know is
what you know. They're releasing it to you because it's now been declassified because
all of the projects that were being worked under it when they were black are
now gray. And so the two that are staying as black projects which you
don't know anything about, that's now under a new project. So when you
find out about it, when it comes to you, when it's available to
you to find or research somewhere a photo or something else, unless it's a
photo taking you know, at two hundred thousand feet where you see something going
by somewhere up there that looks like something, and then people start calling it
something. Those are just those are just freak photos that somebody captured. But
you don't know what the project is. People will start matching how things look
up to something else and you have to go back to exactly what I just
said. When they're working on, you know, an unmanned drone aerial reconnaissance
vehicle that will be in space that will fly up two hundred thousand feet three
hundred thousand feet and then drop down when they want it to, or skip
across the atmosphere like a spark fire or some of the other things that are
up there. Then what they'll do is the ones at work, the ones
that test the you know, the developers, whether it's McDonald Douglas, or
it's somebody else, Jpero Space or whoever you know, has one that fails
to work or doesn't meet the guidelines or doesn't meet their milestones. They just
that now has become a great project. That's when you'll see it, and
you'll see it in Scientific American or Popular Mechanics, or you'll see it and
you read all kinds of stuff. Whatever it is, they choose to tell
you or let you know about it, and you might find out what project
that happened to have been listed under when it was black. But if you
find out what that project is, it's no longer a black project. The
next black project will be so dug down ones are going forward, right,
it won't send out the royal ones. Yeah, and they do that on
purpose. It's dumb for a reason. Welcome to the show. Thank you
so much for your ninety nine cents, supersticker and your support of the show.
Really appreciate your brother. So you were talking about military drones earlier and
you said, I believe you said forty five you were aware of military drones.
Is that correct? Forty five December of forty five is when the space
war began with the Soviet Union and China, although China, you know,
at that particular point in time, was still eating dirt soup, so there
wasn't much they were doing right in terms of being viable as an enemy.
I mean, they didn't show up on a battlefield for US or against US
until Korea, which was you know, early fifties. But forty five they
were not They were not a space you know, they were not a contender
for space. But it didn't. In fact, the Chinese, I don't
think, joined the space program, the space war program until nineteen seventy,
nineteen seventy twenty four April nineteen seventy, they put up an artificial satellite.
Sock Rick wants to know what's going on with the dark side of the moon.
Dave, tell us what's back there? Bro are their buildings back there?
Or there's giant reptilian bases on the back side of the moon. Dave,
let us know. Tell us what's what? I know, it's dark
back I can't see back there. You're assuming it as a remote viewer.
I looked back there, but no I have not that. You would have
to go to Ingo Swan for you can read some of his stuff on there,
maybe Ed Dames or a half dozen others that have said that they've looked
on the backside of them, But I, on the other hand, did
not. So you didn't look at any any other planets or anything like that.
Yeah, but you know why we're talk trying to talk facts here,
not antecdotal stories based on an experience. I mean, I can't prove any
of those things. I mean I can't prove that what you know, twenty
three thousand remote viewers looking at you know, into the Olympus mons, you
know ice, I mean, lava tubes and create and underground craters and things.
If I come back and tell you that, you know, out of
twenty three thousand of them, you know, nineteen thousand of them saw you
know, a city the size of Manhattan in there. You know. Is
there a correlation of the data, Yeah, but it's a correlation. But
is it anything but anecdotal, No, it isn't. It's just correlated data.
But you can't present that as an absolute I would never stand up and
say that to people like, oh, yeah, I know that these things
exist there. No, I don't know that, and I can't prove it,
so I won't say it. So that makes a lot of sense.
There's a large group of people within the community that say the Far Side Institute,
you know about the Foreside Institute, like the far the for Side Institute
remote viewed and it turns out that it's real. Like I hear that excuse
like all the time when it comes to extra treshoal entities, bases on military
bases on other planets and all that. So so speak about the Far Side
Institute really quickly so we can try and get that out of the way.
Courtney Brown used to be a I met him many times. How I med
him was he was writing a book called Cosmic Voyage, I believe with Ed
Dames and in typical I don't actually think it was Ed Dames that did these
things. I think it was Ed Dames's girlfriend or his wife at the time
that was, you know, putting words in his mouth. I mean from
everything I heard from mel Riley and stuff that if anybody was talking to him
on the phone, that she was like standing next to him listening and telling
him and writing him notes about what to say. So I'm sorry that that's
how, you know, things became in his life, because that wasn't how
he was when I knew him in the unit. I think he's a very
intelligent, highly intelligent man, and I just don't know where this doctor Doom
bullshit came in, but I know what caused it, and this is part
of that story. So I know with Courtney Brown, Cosmic Voyage, Courtney
Brown taking a single class with it, and then they were working these you
know, cosmic voyage, alien et projects together, which meant now you had
a monitor, which was Ed working with Courtney, who was a professor at
Emory University in Atlanta, Georgia, Georgia, writing this book Cosmic Voyage,
and I, as I said, there was a falling out between the between
the two of them, and Courtney you know, told me one time and
the phone he goes, you know, so I just said, Toad,
it's like, you know, I'm pulling you out of the book. And
Ed was like, you can't do that, and Courtney was like, yeah,
you can. It's word Microsoft word. It's called search and replace.
So he just searched and replaced and pulled pulled James's name out of the book
and put in remote viewer and there that is now past that point. The
issue here is that you have a guy who is not necessarily a scientist.
He is an academic, but he took one class and he took a class
from Ed Dames that was heavily you know, heavily ladened with with aliens and
UFO stuff. And that is the direction that Courtney has gone for a very
long time. And I'll tell you one of the things that happened. If
you remember, there's there was a group once upon a time. I hate
telling this story, but it's it's a good story to tell. The remember
the Art Bell Show and when Art Bell was alive, there was the comment
Hailbop was coming. Yes, they were responsible for a bunch of nonsense.
Continue, yes, so the comment Hailbop is coming in. And so our
Bell, you know, is talking to Courtney Brown that night on the Art
Bell Show. And suddenly, you know, something comes across the facts or
in an email, don't know exactly how, but it's a photograph of Hailbop
and it is from allegedly, you know, a professional astronomer. Astronomer who
said we have this picture of Hailbop, and if you'll look into the Tale
of Hailbop, you'll see that there's a visible object moving in the tail of
the common Hailbob. We were just wondering if you know, Courtney Brown could
use his Far Side Institute and if they could look at this and let us
know what is there. So that's what Courtney Brown does. I guess a
couple of weeks go by or something, and they come back again, and
then coming back he presents this whole laydown of how his Far Side Institute saw
this object in the Tale of Hailbop and concluded that it was in fact a
mother ship and that it was a mothership moving in the tail and that it
was coming by Planet Earth to pick up people from Planet Earth, or words
to that effect. And so, unbeknownst to any of the players that I
just laid out for you, there's a cult group in sand, you know,
out in sand from any area, I mean San Diego area, Heavens
Gate, and the leader, the living leader of Heaven's Gate, takes thirty
one people and says that you heard it on art Bell, because they all
listen to art Bell, and they all watched Stark Star Trek, you know,
every time it was on. So when this being said, they decided
to commit mass suicide because you know, their leader Doe or Tea was now
going to take all of them and lead them as they died in shifts.
These away teams were going to go link up with this mother ship where they
could link up with Tea or Doe, whichever one was there. Tier do
the leaders male and female d T and do. I can't remember which one
was which, but the remaining one says they're going to go link up with
the other one on the mothership. So they still are offering themselves. Well
while they're offering themselves horribly h The exchange continues on the Art Bell Show as
this is pronounced at some other time, well they're still offing, where this
astronomer allegedly comes back and says who they are and that this was a faked
photograph, that the photograph had been altered, that there was no object in
it, and that they were just using this episode to prove how bad Courtney
Brown and the Farsight Institute were with all of these things. Now from the
rumor and the inside channel within the remote Viewing community, was that that Bake
the astronomer was was ed and or Edg's accomplishments in his company that was there
under you know, basically the tyranny of that of whoever he was with at
that particular point in time, just to set Courtney Brown up, all of
them, of course, ignorant of what the consequences would have been, but
also just not in it, you know, so selfish in that process and
not actually thinking that you say something like that, that there may be some
people that are gullible enough and injured enough that they might just take what you're
saying as truth and go, you know, commit mass suicide, which is
what happened, but into the next evolutionary level above human is what the Heaven's
skatequ I did a whole series on it. Now, Welcome to the Show
says Art Bell never made those comments, and he says that you always pitched
that. I don't know what comments he made or what he didn't make,
but I'm I'm pretty certain that it did have to do with Art Bell's show.
It was a show. I don't know what ar Bell said about it,
but it did happen on Art Bell's show. That's factual. Now regardless
of if he said that there really was a I don't know the exact exactly
what he said, but it did happen on the show. Now, he
might not have said, oh, there's for sure a mother ship behind the
tell of the comment, but he had the people on the show that did
say that there was a mother ship behind the comment. That's all I want
to hear about that. I don't address comments. I don't get in a
pisson contest with the gallery. Okay, so you don't agree with that and
don't agree with it, I could not care less. Yeah, so that's
pretty much the Foresight Institute and people like to use their I mean, I
guess this gets into a question, is you know, how does remote viewing
actually work? Because there's a large group of people, large group of remote
viewers that say that they can just look at a picture of something and they're
able to remove you it, or or if they know the target of the
remove what they're going to see, then they can remove you. But that's
not how remote viewing works. You just can't know what you're remote viewing and
then get accurate information correct look, no, because then you'd be front loaded
and that would not be blind or double blind. So therefore that would be
the process of your own imagination, right, because then you get your preconceived
notions and you can receive it from memory. It would be nothing but anecdotal
and experiential. There wouldn't be nothing empirical about what you're producing. Yeah,
the uh. But there's a large group of remote claimed remove viewers. People
they claim that they can remove you, right, which is hundreds and hundreds
of people like that that like the people that claim the remote view the Miami
Mall. Right, dozens of those YouTubers on YouTube days remote view the aliens
at the Miami Mall. I was like, well, how did you remove
youe The aliens at the Miami Mall if you knew that that's what you were
remote viewing. It's a good question. Yeah, you can't do it.
I mean it's like, look, it goes back to where we were starting
with this. I thought we were going to talk about tonight, which was
the Rise of the con Man. But but you know, we're going down
different rabbit holes at this particular juncture, and it if you're asking me,
you know, I've said it many thousands of times that you can't you know,
I can go back to the rules of remote viewing, and they're very
simple. It's not one hundred percent accurate, It never has been, and
it never will be. Okay, that's rule number one. Rule number two.
You never trust the results of a single remote viewer operating independently of other
remote viewers. Why because of rule number one. So why would you trust
if you already know it's not on percent accurate, never has been, number
will be. Why would you use one remote viewer to tell you the answer
to something? Right? And rule number three is remote viewing was never intended
to be used as a standalone endeavor. That means it was always used in
consonants with other intelligence collection methodologies, which is why if you try to take
a position, say well it didn't work and it never produced actionable intelligence.
The same could be said of signal intelligence, of photo intelligence, of sad
intelligence, particularly of human intelligence. I mean, let's face it, we
invaded a rack based on two sources of human intelligence, so human intelligence.
None of the sources of human intelligence, which there are only used to be
seven, there are actually somewhere in a number of like thirty nine different intelligence
collection methodologies and use. Right now and when remote viewing was being used,
which I believe that it still is being used, that it would it would
hold its own against all of the other intelligence collectors because for those that don't
know this and can't figure it out, none of them are one hundred percent
accurate. And if none of them are one hundred percent accurate, that's the
reason why there are so many of them. Now, every other methodology that
they could possibly create to create one more picture of the intelligence puzzle, and
that's what they do, and that's how they do it, and that's why
it's put together that way, and that's why remote viewing was never a standalone
thing. No nobody ever filled up a helicopter with a bunch of Delta Force
and rangers and took down a target somewhere because of only remote viewers. However,
back then, during the failed Iranian hostage rescue attempt, remote viewers played
one of the more significant roles in the development of intelligence in support of that
failed exercise. But the failed exercise was that failed mission was failed at Desert
One because helicopters all went down because they just weren't made to fly under those
kinds of conditions, and so the air mission commander shut down the air operation,
meaning they had to load everybody back up on the sea one thirties and
what two working aircraft they had out of I think nine or ten and get
them, you know, X filled out of the area. That's the reason
that went down. And then a helicopter drifts after it browns out when it
takes off because they had shitty second generation night vision goggles on because that's all
we had at the time, and they drifted into a SEE one thirty tanker
filled with delta and exploded. Now, but back when they were planning the
mission, they didn't have They didn't have any of the floor plans of the
US embassy in Tehran. They didn't have any of those floor plans. I
find that to be an astounding oversight for the US State Department not to have
the floor plans of the embassies you know, around the world. But they
didn't. I guess they just didn't think that way that somebody might ever take
one down. But they didn't know where stairwells were, they didn't know which
way doors opened, they didn't know where they might be keeping the hostages.
They didn't know, you know, what kind of locking devices or what kinds
of you know, the doors look like necessarily on the outside. They had
some satellite imagery, but they didn't have the kind of that they have nowadays.
They just didn't have that. So the two primary sources of intelligence other
than human intelligence in sources which could only get limited visuals on it because the
Republican you know, their Republican guard that were there were had the place cordoned
off and they were quite brutal and they weren't letting, you know, spectators
in to get a look around and draw sketches, you know, or try
to remember things or take pictures. None of that was allowed. So Ted
Copple was one of the guys that had access to the place and was doing
was not Republican guards, Iranian guards. The students that had overthrown the embassy
there at the behest of Ayatola Komani, they had Ted Copple was there interviewing
them, and in interviewing them, they were positioning the camera in certain ways
to kind of look past the interview past Ted Copple and be able to give
the analysts a view down the hallway to see if how people were coming out
of doors and things like that. But they didn't know where. What they
knew there were some bulletproof windows, but they didn't know where the bulletproof windows
where. There was just a lot of ignorance about what was going on there.
The next thing it happened was they used remote viewers to look because if
they you know, as it was said by a former director of the Central
Intelligence atugency, I don't care if it's only six percent accurate. If it's
six percent accurate information, but I can't glean by any other means that it's
intelligence dollars well spent. So the whole point was that, hey, maybe
we aren't able to prove whether it's you know, what the accuracy of it
is, but if the data correlates from the viewers that are doing it,
then we want to see it and we want to at least consider it,
you know, and how we're going to plan this operation and where we're going
to land, and I mean there were they had things like they had them
looking at targets like you know, the stadium where they were going to land
the helicopters and then assault directly to the embassy from that state, which was
not far away. But they had them pulling out crew serve weapons, and
indicating where crew served weapons were. The remote viewers, Now that's what who
was doing that. So all of that was being produced by the remote viewers
and being used in consonance with whatever other intelligence they could get, including that
that was coming from the Ted Copple news show that was there being held there,
and that's how they were planning out operation I mean, was based on
that. Certainly there were other pieces of information that came in through other sources,
but those were the two primaries that they had, you know, at
least according to Delta in the Rangers, and my former first sergeant was in
the Rangers during that operation. So Dana, do you ask, what's the
difference between removed viewers and psychic mediums who can view different realms? In your
opinion, of of course, I'll say it again, remote viewing is a
discipline, a dogma that was designed for the intelligence community. That's what remote
viewing is. I can't tell you what psychics do. I'm not psychic.
I don't never claim to be psychic, not psychic. I'm a remot viewer.
I was trained to be a removiewer. I work for the Intelligence service
doing that. So what a psychic does a psychic does and invents on their
own. They come up with their own process to their own whatever, and
they claim accuracy or not or how they pitch it to somebody. It either
is or it isn't. There can be, at least by some analyses and
takes on it. A lot of trickery and a lot of different kinds of
things that go on with it. And I'm sure there are probably some people
who are very gifted clairvoyance, but what they do and what remote viewers do
are completely at opposite ends of the spectrum. What remote viewers do, if
they're doing it, it's supposed to be done operating into the rules that I
just articulated for you. They don't get out there and take tests, they
don't do things they don't they don't get engaged in dog and pony shows and
parlor tricks and you know, those kinds of things. What they do they
work for either the transformational experience of what happens when you get to the place
where you no longer believe that there's something beyond the physical, but you now
know it, and you know that through doing the work and both the physical
and the non physical realm. So that's a transformative experience. Beyond that point,
I get asked that question, what am I going to do with it?
Well, you know what. How about first you get transformed where you're
no longer wishing or hoping or believing that there's something beyond the physical and you're
usually you know, not part of the seventy six percent who believe that there
is, but don't believe that you'll ever realize it or you'll ever recognize it
or be part of it. How about you step into the realm of doing
the work to where you get to the point where you now know it.
Big difference between believing something and knowing it. Everybody here believes something, right,
There's a difference when you know something. So you have to do that
and now you know It's probably the best explanation I can give you. Rick's
funny thing is we're all remov viewing this live stream right now. Wow,
that's true, kind of our remotely viewing it. We're not in the same
room. It's pretty interesting. Jenna says, Uh, some remove viewers make
the best poem readers. This is a completely different thing, Jenna, But
thank you for your comment. Just your only one percent of psychics are legitilate
for the ones that do not ask for a fee or a donation. Yeah,
I've been Uh, I wonder where that study came from. If it's
right, God, does that go to you? Yes? Okay, that's
right. Size things for the explanation. Yeah, I'm sorry, it's it's
not a better explanation. It's a lot of moving pieces in that explanation.
And I say it so many thousands of times, you know a year that
it's you're start to really feel like you're pulling repeat, you know, on
some of those things, which is why I really like to come in and
talk about other things other than remote viewing. But absolutely, but it's been
a little business you've been on. So I wanted to kind of give a
little remove viewing fresher there for people. Now, we just had doctor schwanker
Patrick. Did you see doctor Sean ker Patrick's article I was talking to you
as the the head of Arrow that basically came out and said that all of
the UFOs and the UAPs that people are seeing are military drones. Well,
again, you know, if somebody's talking in terms of absolutes, that always
causes me to bulk. But look, that's been that was my whole Space
War Space Race you know podcast, which has now been done like three times.
That Whole Space War Space Race podcast points out, you know, I
think I've taken the position and I've said anywhere from you know, I think
I was on your show. I think it was on your show that we
had two guys that were you know, Intel community guys that were saying that
that they believed that somewhere like ninety two or ninety three percent of what is
being reported are all, you know, part of the space war issue.
And I said, I think it's a very conservative number. I would submit
it's probably closer to ninety six and ninety eight percent, because if you understand
the pure magnitude of the space war and the space war is as it is
now being managed by China and by Russia, with North Korea in a very
small way playing and also with Iran looking for a way to play, maybe
not with manned vehicles, but certainly the idea of putting up weapons and or
reconnaissance capabilities. If you look at a direct correlation, and there is a
direct correlation, I don't think I can show this to you. I don't
I don't know if I can put this in here. Can I drop this
into chat Let's just see op says it can it dropped in? It said,
I could drop it in chatting and just disappeared. So I don't know
how you can see this. You can hit present at the bottom of the
screen and then the share screen, and then you can go to the window
or whatever any tab that you would like to share, and then click it
and then hit share. All right, let me just see if I can
do that. I'm not familiar with this particular platform. I see setting up
present. Okay, they hit present there presents share screen. Yeah, well
I have three monitors, so is it going to ask me which screen that
I want to share? It should just come up the tab you can do
the window it has like you can share the window. That should be The
different tabs are the different It should all populate on the one one thing,
no matter how many screens you got. Yeah, I can't. It's like
I hate this platform now. It's just like the most annoying platform in the
world. Lights have to say to you. It's actually it's actually the easiest
if you know how to work it. I don't work at DAVE, very
very simple. I don't think it's it's sharing it here for you. So,
but can you see this? Is it showing a screen here? Now?
No, it's not showing a screen. Let me see if I can
pull it up here. If that's the screen it's going to show it?
No, so let me see, because first of all, it's like anything,
Well, do you have the thing populated on the screen, Like you
have to have the document or whatever that you want to share already popped up
on the screen, and then when you hit present, go a screen share
and then you can well he's gone, you left, m Jenna Banana.
How's it going? Just me right now? Rick Jenna, how's it going?
Savagely good to see my friend Dave can't figure out the freaking screenshare function
on stream yard. Here we are. He's back, made it back.
No, we're just gonna have to cancel out on that one. I don't
ye it's I mean, if you could see it, I mean, if
there were a way to show it. This is an ESRII UFO sidings since
nineteen oh four, So all of you can go look at that. That's
e sr I UFO sidings since nineteen oh four. Now look at the UFO
siding because what will happen is it's a movie and you play it, and
it will run for forty eight seconds, and in the forty eight seconds,
it will traverse the timeline from nineteen oh four until twenty twenty three. I
said that the space war began in nineteen forty five December of the answer to
the very first question you ask, writer and everybody else has combatant on in
various ways. Watch the timeline slide with sris UFO UAP sidings and see when
it the lights start to light up. Okay, because what you'll find is
it starts in nineteen oh four or nineteen forty five. And oh, yes,
I know, get you know there were sightings in sixteen twenty. I
got it. Remember, I didn't say that there aren't any alien races or
vehicles or civilizations. What I said to you is that six to ninety eight
percent of what you're seeing and reporting are nothing more than either gray or black
projects that are part of the space program. It's part of the space war
program, not part of NASA, part of the space war program. We
were flying and testing lifting body aircraft by nineteen sixty five, in nineteen sixty
eight. If you don't know what lifting body aircraft means. It means aircraft
that don't have wings. They were testifying them. They had test pilots flying
them at Airwardefforce Base, you know, out in the desert. And so
they've been working on that stuff since nineteen sixty five. Nineteen sixty eight,
some guy who's published a book that was showing that shows some of the vehicles
that they were working on, I mean showing some of the vehicles they were
test flying on. And that was in sixty five sixty eight. So think
where they are now with lifting body aircraft. When you see pictures of lifting
body aircraft, now just understand you're looking at something gray. You're not looking
at anything black. See, you really can get the gray. You're just
looking at what they're allowing you to see at this point, like they don't
care or as long as you're paying attention to that, then you're not paying
attention to the black project, you know, which is kind of right up
their alley. But just look go to ESRI. It's a website esri dot
com. I believe, look for USO sidings as of nineteen oh four.
You actually, I think it goes to twenty fourteen, but just take a
look at it, see what you think. Then we're knowing that the space
war began in nineteen forty five. Thank you. I find it interesting.
Are these lifting body aircrafts that you're mentioning able to be piloted by an individual
or are these just one drones? The issue is that you have subsonic,
supersonic and hypersonic flight. Remember as I said to you, by nineteen forty
forty eight forty seven, the we're presenting the DD that they want to manned
and unmanned hypersonic flight. The challenge with with manned hypersonic flight is it's hard
enough to manage hypersonic flight. But the issue is that if you have human
beings in hypersonic aircraft and you start to go up, you know, I
mean the unmanned drones or some of them have hypersonic speeds of twenty three thousand
knots. I mean contemplate that eighteen thousand, you know, eighteen thousand knots.
I mean, it's phenomenal what they're doing, and that's really nothing compared
to what they can do when they get up into space. But their re
entry speeds and their exit speeds can be upwards of those, and you can't
put human beings in that. You can't. The bodies couldn't stand the g
forces that they would have for something like that. They could for the re
entry, you know, as long as it was you know, straight descent
or something like that, but most of these craft have like it's the military
is moving towards as much autonomous AI driven, non manned you know, warships,
war planes, fighter planes, reconnaissance planes. And they've been after that
now for quite some time. And they've been doing it for at least two
and a half decades, if not more, actually closer to three decades.
Why are they doing it? Because you train a pilot, you know,
you're training a semi super human to be capable of doing something right. I
mean, drag them through the academy or through some other source to get them
to that place. You put them through that kind of training, and then
you make them a fighter pilot, and you know, you have to feed
them, you have to water them, you have to keep them trained,
you have to keep them current, you have to pay them a salary.
You have to take care of their dependent wife, their dependent children. You
know, you've got to do all those things when they retire from the Air
Force, you have to pay them retirement, and you have to get sick,
you have to pay them. You know, VA has to pay them
to take care of them. Which it's all noble and good, but hey,
the governments of the of the ILK at this particular point that take If
we can put a machine in there, a computer that thinks on its own
and does things within the parameters we establish, then why the hell aren't we
doing it? Now? Look, if you ask my opinion, like if
I were master the universe, I would say like, yeah, I'm not
really cool on that. You know, I think there's could be some problems
that arise out of that, and I just I don't have a good sense
or feeling for it. It could just be my ignorance of it. My
point is that it should be looked at very carefully, and there should be
again as I said earlier, where get you aways are all wrong, you
know, worried about the wrong things. That people should be worrying about that
kind of stuff and worrying about how you're going to manage that and maintain it.
And as best as a people can, you know, through our elected
officials, there should be really some careful looking at this, because it is
a dangerous proposition in my opinion. It can potentially get away from us.
And if it gets away from us, then what are you going to do.
I can't say that it can cognate faster than a human, but it
can't because it really can't. But it can certainly learn faster. And if
it can learn faster, then it can out thank you, even though it
can't cognate and outrun your neural clock speed. That's kind of improven. So
it can't run out your neural can't run your neural clock speed, but it's
still you're putting an autonomous an autonomous decision maker that is a computer in intelligence
that's linked to all other things that are flying up there with it, so
that it has a drone mentality. I mean, it has a you know,
a hive mentality, if you will. And it's going to go against
another high mentality. It's going to be fighter aircraft that can pull you know,
as many g's as it can pull and keep the skin on the aircraft,
you know, and fly at hypersonic flight and go up and down,
and you use new exotic propulsion systems that have been in the works for fifty
sixty years now, I mean electromagnetic drives and beyond. And you know,
then you always have some smart guy steps up and goes, oh, those
are ridiculous, those patents are ridiculous. Oh then let me rephrase the patterns
you're looking at that I just might have showed you as an example. Those
are patterns that have been obviously declassified, which means they're not even part of
maybe part of a great project, maybe not part of any project anymore.
The point is, you know that people have been patenting and working on these
things for thirty and four and fifty years. They've been working on this stuff,
and I don't know anything other than you know, plasma drives, you
know fusion. I don't know anything other than fusion that America, that that
humans been working on for fifty years and have not yet quite you know,
nailed it down. I think you talk about fusion and you understand fusion energy
production and fusion drives. I mean for fifty years they've been going out,
Well we're twenty we're twenty thirty years out, so I mean for fifty years
they've been saying the same thing. So now you still ask them the questioningly,
have fifty fifty, thirty to thirty years out probably before we ever fully
master it. Fascinating, you know, form of you know, of energy,
not one that could be readily adapted into a weapon of war, but
you know that you're going to see fission drives are going to be out there,
and they are coming up with all kinds of other exotic drives that are
going to be out there and be using them, and they are there.
So I think that they answered long answer that question is the vast majority of
what you're seeing, you know, flying around that makes your mouth drop open,
or causes some airline pilot or even a fighter pilot to go I've never
seen anything like that, never seen anything with those kinds of flight characteristics.
No, you have not, because just because you're a pilot in the United
States Air Force flying you know, the fastest aircraft that they happen to make,
does not mean that they brief you on a black project or six black
projects or one hundred and six black projects. In fact, they never will
brief you on those projects. If you take a picture, if your back
seater takes a picture, and they come back, you know they'll either decide
is that a great project or is it a project We really need to seriously,
you know, confiscate that photo and not let it out, which that
probably wouldn't get very far. They're very good at protecting that stuff, very
good at it. But Dave, it's got to be aliens, because I
don't know what it is. Now. There's a lot of things that happen,
you know, it's it's there's a lot of stuff that contributes to this,
just the ignorance of things that happen. You know, it's like there's
a and there's always this idea that you know, everything's got to be leaked.
You know, you just get so sick of hearing that it's been leaked.
You know, it's like some guys leaked this or leaked that. It's
a leaked memorandum talking about you know, aliens. No, it's not.
It's not leaked. Jesus stupid and the Pentagon. If it doesn't have if
it doesn't say top secret at the top or secret at the top, and
if every paragraph in it is not classified, because that's what a secret document
looks like. Every paragraph is classified, each paragraph because what's in that paragraph
may not be top secret, that might only be secret or it might only
be something else, but as it works its way down, but everything is,
every paragraph is classified. So when it just is a standard memorandum that
talks about something that you brought up at the table dealing with UFOs, then
it's just sheer buffoonery to call that elked memorandum. Pentagon produces probably ten million
memorandums a day. You know, everybody who talks to somebody comes back and
makes a memorandum for record. That's what it is called, and it's date
and timed and on this state. These people came to my office, you
know, by our invitation or authorization, and talked about these things and this
is what they said, this is what I said, and signed by the
officer that did the interview or the non commissioned officer, and then that memorandum
goes to their boss. And if it had anything to do with UFOs,
I assure you, if it went to one guy's boss about something like that,
it probably didn't last ten seconds before it hit the waist camp. You
know, they weren't conceal it. They weren't. But the idea that got
leaked was just acidine. That's somebody trying to make an issue out of nothing.
Who then goes and says, hey, man, can I get a
copy of that memorandum? It's not classified and it's not even confidential, you
know, to the officer typed it up. It's an unclassified, non confidential
memorandum, just documenting your trip, what you ask and what I said.
Sure, here's a copy via email. Oh it's leaked. Now, Well,
that's the way to put people within the community, to make it seem
like that they have something that other people don't have. Right. It puts
them on a pedestal, like if they have leaked information from the Pentagon or
whatever. It's just the saying that these people say in order to try and
booster themselves up to make it seem like they know what they're talking about is
what I've found. Yeah, you're correct. Is exactly why they do that,
because they get purchase out of it, right, They get people to
follow and believe, and they put them up on some pedestal, you know,
as something special. And the people do it become very callous about doing
in a very nonchalant about They couldn't care less. They don't care whether you
know, because they understand that that fifteen minutes of fame is what they're after
and what they're going to get. And they also understand the number of people
are never going to follow up on it to see whether it's right or what
was wrong. They don't. All they have to do is say it.
If they say it, it's right. But it always comes out of everything
that you see. It's like this photograph that this Navy pilot, his back
seater takes a picture. They see something come, it's in front of them,
and they think it's you know, they've never seen the silhouette of that
type of a craft. So the back seater pulls out his iPhone takes a
picture, you know, and it's all over YouTube or all over the internet,
and it's titled as a it's a spacecraft UAP photo, you know,
taken by us maybe back seater's iPhone, and it's described as hovering in the
air. And every reference to that photo is as a leaked photo. But
it wasn't leaf. It wasn't leaked because it wasn't a classified photo, wasn't
anything that anybody cared about anybody seeing. It was actually a picture taken about
a mile out of an aircraft. That is it's called dream Chaser, and
it actually has a re entry speed of about sixteen thousand miles per hour that's
greater than Mack twenty, just so you can know that it's unmanned. And
you take that picture and then you know position that picture so you're actually looking
at the bottom side of the dream Chaser about a mile out, you know,
And first of all, you have no idea what that silhouette is.
It's one of the lifting body craft that doesn't look like it has any wings.
What it looks like it has is vertical stabilis, but you can't really
even see those. And what you engage in, what that pilot engages in,
which is why they said that it looks like it was floating, like
it was standing still. Is because even and if you're in the fastest jet
that they have, right, even if you're in that fastest jet and something
comes in at sixteen thousand miles per hour sixteen knots, you know, MAK
greater than Mark twenty, and it's a mile away from you, descending like
that, and you're up in the air at what in the photo looks to
be like thirty thousand feet like your airliner hype, you have what's no,
you have no static reference points, so you experience what's called spatialstory disorientation.
Spatial disorientation during flight operations. If you're a pilot like I am, If
you if you read the FAA manuals, the FAA manual talks about it.
It's called autokinetic illusion and in instrument flight, like when you are making an
approach at night and you're looking out at a runway, particularly if you're like
in a desert area. So military pilots can experience this a lot. You
up and look out. They can see the runway lights, but they don't
see other lights because they're landing in a military airfield and maybe running a military
operation as they're doing it, it's a mission rehearsal, and they get this
autokinetic illusion, which means that the runway appears to keep just moving in front
of them, so they get spatial disorientation. It's freaky. It's a vertico
like sensation because the runway looks like it just keeps going. And the reason
that that happens is because you don't know relative velocity in a surfaceless environment.
You're thirty one thousand feet in the air, flying in a jet fast moving
jet and you see something out in front of you, it appears to stand
still in the air because you can't see its relative velocity. There's nothing can
compare it to. There are no telephone poles, no mountains, no clouds,
there's just nothing. But you know, the sky above and the ground
so far below that you can't measure thelocity. You can barely measure velocity if
you look down. So the only thing the pilot has for him to know
velocity is to know his own velocity by looking at his instrument panel. And
it is an absence of a static reference point that causes him to be able
to differentiate whether that thing is staying directly in front of them, whether it's
hovering, or where other it's even coming back out of them. They can't
really tell unless it passed them or something like that. But when it just
keeps there and you're going at you know, mock three, you know,
let's say in a fifteen ex or something. Yeah, you're going just under
mock three, and something else is just over mark twenty and it's a mile
away, no static reference point. It looks to you like it's hovering in
the air. It's a common phenomenon but hey, it gets nobody analyzes that.
They just all make the comment that yeah, it's uh, you know,
it's it was standing still in the air and it's a leaked photo,
neither of which was true. That's incredible. I didn't I didn't know that
about the pilots there would be that they would experience something similar to what you're
describing, like an illusion, almost autokinetic illusion. Yeah, it's write any
FAA manual. And it happens because you cannot because you have no static reference
point, you cannot establish relative velocity of that object in relation to you.
So it looks like it's standing still, right or just following leading out in
front of you and standing there. So awesome, Dave, Well, thanks
so much for coming on the show. I really appreciate you telling this evening.
I'm glad we got to do it. It's been been planning it for
over a month now and I'm glad we got to get it together and come
on here and have an amazing conversation. Can you let people know where to
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It's not a monetized YouTube channel. It's just all a listing of all my
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Thanks so much, Dave. The links to all of these information is
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