1 00:00:15,119 --> 00:00:20,160 What is up fellow Thermo nuclear A efforts. I am Damp Valley coming at 2 00:00:20,199 --> 00:00:23,920 you with a pre intro before we hop into the second part of this mailbag 3 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,320 to let you know that this is part two of what's going to be a 4 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:30,600 three part mailbag because we had so many questions this week Before we get started. 5 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:34,560 The usual reminders to continue subscribing to us wherever you get us. If 6 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,840 you're on YouTube, hit that sub button, like comment, help the algorithm, 7 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,520 love us back, help us continue to grow this community. Also subscribe 8 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,000 to us an Apple, Spotify if you're checking us out for the first time 9 00:00:44,119 --> 00:00:47,920 on the interwebs, Stitcher, Google, wherever you get your podcast where are 10 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:52,119 there. 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Last, but 18 00:01:19,879 --> 00:01:23,359 certainly not least, I want to thank everyone who's been tagging us and their 19 00:01:23,359 --> 00:01:26,200 Spotify raps or letting us know how long they've listened to us for this past 20 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:30,719 year. It genuinely does mean the world, and I try and be transparent 21 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:34,120 about that, and I say it so much that's probably a cliche on this 22 00:01:34,159 --> 00:01:38,159 podcast, but just given how close we were to shuddering things over the off 23 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:42,439 season, it means a lot that there's still a you know, that we 24 00:01:42,519 --> 00:01:46,560 have a what feels like a very loyal community, even though it's not the 25 00:01:46,599 --> 00:01:49,920 biggest, and we are continuously trying to grow it. And I did just 26 00:01:49,959 --> 00:01:53,599 want to say something because I guess it's like we're approaching the end of the 27 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:55,840 year now that we're in December, and so it's a time for reflection, 28 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:57,799 and I want to make it clear that I'm I never want to stop being 29 00:01:57,799 --> 00:02:01,599 grateful for our listeners, for our Discord members, the people who help us 30 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:06,120 really you know, dictate and direct where the content is going, because we 31 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:07,879 want to put stuff out there that you like even if you're not necessarily agreeing 32 00:02:07,919 --> 00:02:13,159 with everything we say, and Discord has been fun. I do see more 33 00:02:13,159 --> 00:02:16,439 people active in they're independent of me actually saying something, which is really really 34 00:02:16,439 --> 00:02:21,199 cool. I do try and respond as much as possible, and it just 35 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,080 it really it does meet a lot whenever people are tagging us or shouting us 36 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:29,319 out on Twitter, where I've gotten DM saying that our podcast was recommended by 37 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,159 someone like that's just super cool. And the mail back questions are super appreciated 38 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:37,919 as well. And it's like I've said before, and it's on behalf of 39 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,560 Grant, like we just don't do this like at this point, Like again, 40 00:02:40,599 --> 00:02:44,400 it's just the interest of full transparency. We know it's going on with 41 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,039 advertising revenue, it's just been slashed. This podcast has never been This is 42 00:02:47,039 --> 00:02:52,120 probably the least profitable stretch that the podcast has been up for me personally, 43 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,759 and I've been doing this for seven years. It's luckily I'm not in a 44 00:02:54,759 --> 00:02:58,599 position to where I need the podcast to do anything. But it's very much 45 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,759 a passion project and it's the listeners, the Discord members, the people who 46 00:03:02,759 --> 00:03:07,280 interact with us and actually have discussions with us, who are consuming our content 47 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,199 that really drive me to keep going. And you know, I recognize that 48 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:14,719 this podcast isn't perfect. It has things that we need to improve upon. 49 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:16,280 I would love to you know, extend our reach. Of course, I 50 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:20,520 do feel like, you know, to point out a flaw that I've probably 51 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,439 had my hands and just too many things at the moment trying to you know, 52 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:27,360 run a TikTok and Instagram why I don't necessarily even see the benefit of 53 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,280 those necessarily, in like, the YouTube channel is sort of stagnated to where 54 00:03:30,319 --> 00:03:34,840 we're not getting hundreds of new subscribers every month, and so I might need 55 00:03:34,879 --> 00:03:38,360 to centralize the focus. It's things that are constantly shifting. But and there 56 00:03:38,439 --> 00:03:42,439 are there are moments, there are days, there are weeks where I just 57 00:03:42,759 --> 00:03:46,000 I don't understand why I am doing this, why we're doing this at all, 58 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:47,360 and it feels like a waste of time. But then every so often 59 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,400 they'll just be moments where it's you know, listeners saying something, tagging us 60 00:03:52,439 --> 00:03:54,400 on on Twitter, shoutouts, had a Twitter are getting a discord message, 61 00:03:54,479 --> 00:03:58,000 just remembering how fun it is to interact with all the people that listen. 62 00:03:58,159 --> 00:04:01,120 That does keep me going. That's to just that's not to go woe is 63 00:04:01,159 --> 00:04:04,879 me. That's just to reiterate, which I will continue to do because I 64 00:04:04,879 --> 00:04:10,000 do think it's something that podcast could do a better job of of how grateful 65 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,759 I am for the community for giving us a reason to keep going, and 66 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,199 again for being so nice and for continuing to listen to us, especially long 67 00:04:16,199 --> 00:04:20,279 time listeners as well. With that long ass ramble out of the way, 68 00:04:20,319 --> 00:04:24,879 though, let's get to part two of this three part mail bag. Grant 69 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,120 was here for the first two parts. We did, like, like, 70 00:04:27,319 --> 00:04:30,519 I don't know, ninety plus minutes of a mail bag together, so we 71 00:04:30,519 --> 00:04:32,680 split up into two and I have a solo one coming out for part three. 72 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,879 Since we just had so many great questions, let's hop right into it. 73 00:04:36,079 --> 00:04:44,279 This next question comes from Demo's quoal and he asked, is this Kyrie 74 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,720 is? Is Kyrie? Can getting rid of Kyrie be additioned by subtraction for 75 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:53,879 the nets? Essentially the question this was posed during Kyrie's suspension from the team. 76 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,279 I still think it's a fair question either way. The nets are foreign 77 00:04:56,319 --> 00:04:59,720 two since Kyrie came back, but where do you I think this question matters 78 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:01,560 because kyre ring is probably not going to be a member of the Nets next 79 00:05:01,639 --> 00:05:04,879 year. That's just the expectation. So just where do you land on this, 80 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:11,319 Well, I mean just off if we you know, on the court, 81 00:05:11,399 --> 00:05:14,639 I'm open to the idea that like, I mean, he's been he's 82 00:05:14,639 --> 00:05:16,600 been the second best player on a championship team and was the second best player 83 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,079 on the team that if not for the Warriors, could have won three or 84 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:24,079 four. So like, and he's not that guy, but he's close enough 85 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,160 to where if you have Kevin Durant as your number one, Kyrie is your 86 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,199 number two, you have decent role players. This is nothing new. Brooklyn 87 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:34,480 has has had and has the talent to be really dangerous. I just wouldn't 88 00:05:34,519 --> 00:05:39,160 want him in my locker room as a voice that it just wouldn't want him 89 00:05:39,199 --> 00:05:43,279 around. So the addition by subtraction idea, it's pretty clear to me. 90 00:05:43,319 --> 00:05:46,800 I just wouldn't want him on my team full stop. But as far as 91 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:51,319 the Nets playing better, I think it's just a it's it's a it's the 92 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,439 less like sexy answer, But it's just a combination of stuff. Like, 93 00:05:56,879 --> 00:06:00,279 you know, Ben Simmons has been a lot better set curries back and making 94 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:04,240 everything. You know, from three you get Joe Harris looking a little better, 95 00:06:04,519 --> 00:06:09,079 Durant spen on a heater. It's not just Kyrie not being there. 96 00:06:09,319 --> 00:06:13,959 But if the question is, would the Nets be better without him, like 97 00:06:14,519 --> 00:06:18,480 in every sense except for yeah, he might get you thirty and win you 98 00:06:18,519 --> 00:06:21,959 a few games and you know, maybe win a playoff series, I don't 99 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,759 know, Like yeah, I think so. I mean it's just just for 100 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:31,639 the overall organizational health and just just for sort of making it a more manageable, 101 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:38,240 you know, easy to run, potentially just a successful franchise. Like 102 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:42,040 yeah, I'd be good with no Kyrie on the Nets. I think he 103 00:06:42,439 --> 00:06:46,199 can can be He can complicate the Ben Simmons fit. At points, and 104 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,879 before Ben Simmons is injury, he did look a lot a lot better. 105 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,600 I don't know if it would necessarily be additioned by subtraction, like you need. 106 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,920 I would want to get value for Kyrie Irving, but like just the 107 00:06:56,959 --> 00:06:59,959 general vibes around that team were better when he wasn't there. He's a fat, 108 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,399 pastic basketball player. But when you have Durant and Patty Mills and Joe 109 00:07:03,399 --> 00:07:08,079 Harris and Seth Curry, I don't know, Like, yeah, I guess 110 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:10,720 Kyrie is like the other guy, and they have court that you would trust 111 00:07:10,759 --> 00:07:13,480 to go out and get a bucket before Seth and Joe Harris and all that. 112 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:15,560 So I don't think it's I will say, I don't think it's from 113 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,319 a basketball perspective. I don't think it's just addition by subtraction if you get 114 00:07:18,399 --> 00:07:23,279 rid of if Kyrie and also Kyrie leaves, like is Kevin Durant long for 115 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:27,519 Brooklyn at that point? Is the other element of that question? Yeah, 116 00:07:27,839 --> 00:07:30,680 well that was easy. Let's move on to the next one. This is 117 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,439 from Glad. What is one rule change you think will happen after this year 118 00:07:33,439 --> 00:07:36,439 and what is something you want to change? Bonus question? Any thoughts on 119 00:07:36,439 --> 00:07:41,279 what feels like an emphasis on calling more travels and I'm throwing in more carries 120 00:07:41,279 --> 00:07:46,759 because I've watched Jordan Pool, so I think they're going to change and they 121 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:51,759 should have the clock killing gimmick where we've seen the Grizzlies and the Grizzlies I 122 00:07:51,839 --> 00:07:56,600 knew, did it like the Celtics were just like I didn't really. I 123 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:01,399 guess I wasn't watching like intuitively enough with them letting the ball rules that times 124 00:08:01,399 --> 00:08:03,920 comes off the clock when not the shot clock. That just needs to change. 125 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,959 I think they need to change. I think they will change that. 126 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:09,439 We kind of saw that when the take foul was becoming I guess that was 127 00:08:09,439 --> 00:08:11,079 a longer standing issue, or at least one that was noticed for longer. 128 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:16,360 A rule change that I think should happen is interesting. I don't understand why 129 00:08:16,399 --> 00:08:18,079 I'm not trying to slow the game down more so, like let's put a 130 00:08:18,079 --> 00:08:20,839 time limit on how long it takes a review plays and challenges. But like, 131 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,879 if you successfully challenge a call, why do you lose your challenge? 132 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:31,839 Yeah? Why, Like shouldn't you still have it? I'll compromise. Here's 133 00:08:31,839 --> 00:08:33,559 the thing I think that, Well, the reason you lose it is because 134 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,080 you know, you might have like five or six challenges if a coach gets 135 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:41,440 hot on the challenges, and then you're just but to mitigate that my rule 136 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:43,519 change, I'd like to see this fewer timeouts. Teams get seven. And 137 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,679 it's like, this is the oldest complaint ever, is that the last twenty 138 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:50,480 seconds of a basketball game can take like twenty minutes because both sides are calling 139 00:08:50,519 --> 00:08:56,000 timeouts just to advance the ball or to just stop the clock so we can 140 00:08:56,279 --> 00:09:00,320 get an offense defense sub Like, I hate that it totally ruins the the 141 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,039 game. It takes a lot of the spontaneity out of it. You see 142 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:07,919 some coaches that instead of calling a time out for a last second shot after 143 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:09,639 a made basket, they'll just let the guys run up. And like, 144 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,200 that's how you get Steph Curry hitting it from half court in okay See to 145 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:18,720 win the game in Game six of the twenty sixteen Conference. Like, you 146 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,559 get amazing plays and sometimes you get better shots with just the free flowing, 147 00:09:22,799 --> 00:09:26,120 you know approach instead of let's draw something up. I just think we need 148 00:09:26,159 --> 00:09:30,919 maybe one or two timeouts per half, and if you want to save those 149 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,759 for the last you know, two minutes, great, If not, we 150 00:09:33,879 --> 00:09:39,399 just don't need We don't need seven timeouts per team, plus replay plus TV 151 00:09:39,519 --> 00:09:43,679 timeouts plus like I don't know you're gonna get an infectious disease control timeout once 152 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,320 a game. It's just like it's too much. I'd like to be able 153 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:50,960 to watch an NBA game without skipping free throws, you know, like when 154 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:54,840 you're trying to really bank a few games in a night, and like under 155 00:09:54,879 --> 00:09:56,600 two it's got to be under two hours, give me ninety minutes, like, 156 00:09:56,759 --> 00:10:01,360 let's let's move it along, let's let the action. That's like, 157 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:05,799 that's shaving an hour off the game at this point. You know what we 158 00:10:05,799 --> 00:10:09,279 should speed the let's have six minute quarter. No. So the other thing, 159 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:13,080 the carrying and the travel stuff, for sure been a point of emphasis. 160 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,200 I hope this goes one of two ways, because what always happens with 161 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,200 stuff like this is this usually happens at the very beginning of a season. 162 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:24,519 Referees will have points of emphasis and they will enforce the shit out of them 163 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:28,840 for like two weeks or a month, and then you never hear from it 164 00:10:28,879 --> 00:10:33,120 again, like delay of games on like touching the ball after made basket two 165 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:37,200 years ago. Just every single time we were getting delay a game on the 166 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,960 defensive team and then it just stopped. It's still like you're not supposed to 167 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:41,919 touch it, but now if you catch it and kind of throw it to 168 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:46,000 the ref or the other team, they don't they don't whistle you for that. 169 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:50,039 So for the carrying stuff, either keep it at this standard where we're 170 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:54,639 calling it like justifiably because there are a ton of carries now and everybody's bag 171 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:58,960 keep it like this, or just go back to how it was before, 172 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,759 but like the elective enforcement and that we're gonna do it for a month and 173 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,559 then like Jordan Pool will be allowed to carry all the time again starting in 174 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:09,679 January. Like that's not good for anybody, because I think you just need 175 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:15,759 either call it or don't, and let's let's just keep it consistent, because 176 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:20,279 I don't like the idea that we're gonna remember November as the month where the 177 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,679 NBA called five hundred carries and then they didn't call a hundred the rest of 178 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,279 the year. That that I don't want. My conspiracy is the NBA was 179 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:31,000 too worried about like offensive becoming just so thermonuclear. Well what do you do, 180 00:11:31,519 --> 00:11:35,960 because I think that's legitimate because you can't touch anybody anymore too. That's 181 00:11:35,039 --> 00:11:41,399 like that they But the average offensive rating right now would exceed what it was 182 00:11:41,759 --> 00:11:43,919 last year. I think I would have to go back and look, actually 183 00:11:43,919 --> 00:11:46,080 it was one thirteen last year. I don't know what it is off the 184 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,080 top of my head. This year, I'll look at that really quickly. 185 00:11:48,759 --> 00:11:50,039 But I think you're right on the point of episodes. There's stuff like this 186 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:54,919 every single year. It feels like if I had to guess because they would 187 00:11:54,919 --> 00:11:58,159 be worried about slowing down the pace of the game. Oh it was, 188 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,320 it's one twelve point nine this year, mission accomplished, down from one thirteen. 189 00:12:03,639 --> 00:12:05,799 I think that it's not going to be like as big of a point 190 00:12:05,799 --> 00:12:07,559 of empasis. When I was thinking about this question, I was like, 191 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:11,919 well, were they trying to like limit the number of these like charges that 192 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,240 players are going to try and drop by stepping in on Like I don't really 193 00:12:15,279 --> 00:12:18,919 know if there's any rhyme or reason thought to why you would enforce travels and 194 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:22,559 carries more often than not. So let's see if this sticks in like January 195 00:12:22,639 --> 00:12:26,720 or February. The other thing I would like to see changed ban the last 196 00:12:26,759 --> 00:12:31,279 two minute report, because what is I like the transparency, the notion, 197 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,600 I get it, but like it's also not hard to review those things in 198 00:12:33,639 --> 00:12:37,679 real time. It's like, let's speed up the process and implement the last 199 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:39,840 two minute report in real times. It's happening so that let's say, I 200 00:12:39,879 --> 00:12:43,519 think Kings fans have been the ones I feel like they're the ones that they've 201 00:12:43,519 --> 00:12:46,759 been killed at the most this year, so that the Kings aren't losing games 202 00:12:46,759 --> 00:12:48,600 like by like or that these games aren't ending on calls that they deemed to 203 00:12:48,639 --> 00:12:52,639 miss. It's not hard to review like those like you have. You don't 204 00:12:52,639 --> 00:12:56,399 need the refs like to get on stare at the screen for like eighty minutes 205 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:58,919 like you have Secaucus, New Jersey. Like, let's like you can speed 206 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,159 that entire process while also expanding it. I feel like you'd think the other. 207 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:09,679 The last thing is I really thought that the James Harden like double triple 208 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:15,480 step back thing was was just not going to be allowed. I thought there 209 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,759 would be a point of emphasis on that, and it just hasn't really happened. 210 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:24,200 I'm still not convinced that that's not a travel And like again, watching 211 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,720 a lot of Steph Curry, like, man, he gets away with a 212 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:30,200 lot of like that was really three and a half steps and they're just quick 213 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:35,159 little shuffles before he's fully caught it, and it's there's just like it all 214 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,399 the you know what it is. All it is is that type of play 215 00:13:37,919 --> 00:13:41,039 just kind of looks wrong to me, like it looks like you shouldn't be 216 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,799 able to do that. And maybe it's because my eyes are getting slow, 217 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:48,200 but it started with like the late gather and guys like Lebron and Harden really 218 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:54,519 weaponizing that to get essentially three steps. Jannis does it, and I guess 219 00:13:54,519 --> 00:13:58,320 that's just okay now, But which is fine because again it's like, let's 220 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,559 juice the offense because fans like offense, and we're selling a product, so 221 00:14:01,639 --> 00:14:05,440 they should like the product. But the double triple step back thing is it 222 00:14:05,519 --> 00:14:09,200 just rubs me the wrong way sometimes. But you did that one, so 223 00:14:09,279 --> 00:14:13,200 let's move on to oh wow, okay, this oh No. Eight, 224 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,919 I was skipping one. Some of these questions might be a little bit spicy. 225 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:22,639 But Glad also asked which trade was worse now that it has been a 226 00:14:22,679 --> 00:14:26,799 few years. The Lakers trade for eighty year. The Clippers trade for PG. 227 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,559 The Clippers gave up Shay and five first round pick. We all know 228 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,039 the trades one, but the Clippers giving five first round picks, four and 229 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:35,159 protected, one protected, along with two pick swaps and haven't even gone to 230 00:14:35,159 --> 00:14:37,399 the finals. The Lakers got brand ingram Lonzo and Josh Hart the number four 231 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,840 pick in twenty nineteen, unprotected, twenty two and twenty four first and unprotected 232 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:45,919 swaps in twenty three, twenty five, three first and two swaps, all 233 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,039 unprotected. The Lakers want a title, but have really screwed themselves the lack 234 00:14:48,039 --> 00:14:52,279 of assets and poor roster construction they have. Now, if we wanted a 235 00:14:52,279 --> 00:14:54,759 grand scheme of things, questions, is it worth mortgaging the future for a 236 00:14:54,879 --> 00:15:01,600 single championship? So it's this is a floor ceiling question because the easy answer 237 00:15:01,639 --> 00:15:05,000 is, well, the Clippers trade is worse because the Lakers trade netted a 238 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:09,879 title, and anything it's it's worth it. And that's the zooming out question 239 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:13,720 is like is there anything you shouldn't do if it results in a title? 240 00:15:13,759 --> 00:15:18,759 And I think a lot of executives would say whatever it takes, because it's 241 00:15:18,799 --> 00:15:22,000 so hard to do it. Only one team does it every year. If 242 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,399 you can win a title, you should do whatever you possibly can, especially 243 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:28,639 going back to the last couple questions ago, like you're not going to be 244 00:15:28,159 --> 00:15:33,799 a coach or a GM or a head executive of a team for twenty years 245 00:15:33,919 --> 00:15:37,840 or fifteen or ten even in most cases, like you might get three to 246 00:15:37,879 --> 00:15:41,039 seven years, maybe a little more. And if you can win a title 247 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:45,399 in that window, who cares if your predecessor doesn't have any draft picks left. 248 00:15:45,519 --> 00:15:50,200 Like that's how I think it makes sense for executives to operate at the 249 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,000 same time. The Lakers floor now because of that trade is like real scary 250 00:15:54,519 --> 00:15:58,000 because you're looking at the swap this year that might get the Pelicans another really 251 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:02,440 lucrative pick. You got no assets, you can't you can't give up anything 252 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:04,799 because you only have two first you can trade to get off a bad contract 253 00:16:04,879 --> 00:16:10,720 in Russell Westbrook, Like it's gonna get ugly. The Clippers, they've got 254 00:16:10,919 --> 00:16:15,039 like eight guys you could trade for a protected first or maybe something better than 255 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,200 that. They've been good. They still might you know, in the next 256 00:16:18,279 --> 00:16:22,960 year or two reach their ceiling. Their floor is like they're not gonna bottom 257 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:26,799 out, They're gonna be okay. What that that doesn't necessarily relate to the 258 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,519 trade. It's more about how the rosters were managed, like after the trades, 259 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:36,919 with the Lakers just blowing every offseason. So I think probably I have 260 00:16:37,039 --> 00:16:41,879 to still say that the Clippers trade is worse losing Sga that stuff, because 261 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,720 you could make the case that he would be a better piece to have than 262 00:16:45,799 --> 00:16:51,320 either Chair or Paul George right now potentially, but the Lakers want a title, 263 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,279 so like I just have to keep it simple and go that way, 264 00:16:53,679 --> 00:16:56,480 if you have to pick one, it's you. Is it worth mortaging everything 265 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,799 for a title? And I think the answers yes, And the Lakers are 266 00:16:59,799 --> 00:17:03,319 all so fucked up now because of decisions they have made after the fact, 267 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:07,359 which I think is kind of colors that. But I will say, and 268 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,119 this is pointing out in discord, it has been pointing out many times, 269 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:15,640 we've disgusted that Paul George trade was also about getting Kawhi Leonard right. And 270 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:19,559 so like the best way I ever saw a phrase was that Sam Presty found 271 00:17:19,559 --> 00:17:25,000 a way to trade both Kawai and Paul George without ever having Kawai on the 272 00:17:25,039 --> 00:17:29,359 Thunder, And so I think that gave the Thunder a unique form of leverage. 273 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:33,200 And also just like it's not over yet for it's over for the Lakers, 274 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,079 and I think like there's a finality there. It's not we don't know 275 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:38,240 what's going on with Kawai fully long term. With the Clippers, it's not 276 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:42,160 over yet for them. And so I this is like kind of a compound 277 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,960 answer, but I would give a definitive if I'm the Lakers, would I 278 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,519 do it all over again? I absolutely would, because I don't care what 279 00:17:48,519 --> 00:17:51,319 you say about the bubble title. It resulted in another banner. Yeah, 280 00:17:51,839 --> 00:17:55,759 yeah, keeps it easy. I'm glad you're answering this one first. This 281 00:17:55,839 --> 00:17:59,480 is from Nugs. Would you rather have Bruce Brown or MPG if you have 282 00:17:59,519 --> 00:18:06,440 to make the choice for the Nuggets team, Michael Porter Junior is less mission 283 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:11,000 critical to them than Bruce Brown. That is just it's in a vacuum. 284 00:18:11,039 --> 00:18:12,599 Like the health concerns with Michael Porter Junior. Two, he's dealing with some 285 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,720 heel stuff at the moment, and it was clearly bothering him before that. 286 00:18:15,759 --> 00:18:18,599 I think they just said it was building up and he was shooting. He 287 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,640 went from shooting like a trillion percent from three to like a negative trillion percent, 288 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:26,279 So clearly something was bothering him. But you could actually run I don't 289 00:18:26,319 --> 00:18:29,079 know that. You don't want him setting up like live dribble possessions, but 290 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:33,160 you can run the offense through Bruce Brown. He is like he's hit some 291 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:37,519 like really nice runners and floaters this year. He can be used as a 292 00:18:37,559 --> 00:18:40,720 screener. He's hit his threes for the most part. There's these ultra wide 293 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,559 open threes. When you look at the Nuggets having Jamal having Jamal dr Murray, 294 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:48,279 Jamal Murray, Nicole Yokich, Bonet Island, even this version of Aaron 295 00:18:48,319 --> 00:18:52,039 Gordon, Like, holy shit, I would Bruce Brown is more important than 296 00:18:52,079 --> 00:18:56,119 Uggets winning a title this year than Michael Porter Junior. And I don't think 297 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:00,000 that's spicy. Now in a vacuum, would I rather have Michael Porter j 298 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:04,319 Bruce Brown The idea of Michael Porter junior easily, but given his availability, 299 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,960 the fact that we haven't seen and this might be just a function of the 300 00:19:07,039 --> 00:19:10,160 roster, but like, we don't really know what he is as a self 301 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:14,599 creator, let alone a table setter for others. There's been some tantalizing defense 302 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,480 too, like from a help perspective when you look at the plays that he 303 00:19:17,519 --> 00:19:21,880 can make coming over around the basket. But if you're trying to win a 304 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:26,519 title this season and you have Nicole Yokes and Jamal Murray, like, Bruce 305 00:19:26,559 --> 00:19:37,200 Brown might be my answer here. I hate this question. I think I 306 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:45,119 think the best version of Porter is a guy that is going to score thirty 307 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:49,519 a game and make like forty something percent of a ridiculous volume of threes. 308 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:57,079 But I also think that that version probably doesn't exist on this Nuggets team, 309 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,359 like he might be someone that on a war team could just go get like 310 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:04,000 if he's on the Wizards instead of Beal for example, or something like that, 311 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,839 or on the I don't know the Bulls instead of Zach Lavine and he 312 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:12,359 gets like that level of usage that many shots. I think, like, 313 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:18,039 that's a really valuable player. But then you've got the cost, You've got 314 00:20:18,079 --> 00:20:22,599 the injury history, you've got the current injury, and really, I guess 315 00:20:22,599 --> 00:20:26,000 I have to come around and agree with you that if Brown is if this 316 00:20:26,079 --> 00:20:30,119 is really, if this is Bruce Brown, like for real, Like you 317 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,000 know that's gonna get you double figure scoring five and five, make his threes, 318 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:41,440 defend multiple positions, be usable like on the ball, either roller, 319 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:45,400 like that's still in the bag, you know from his next days. Yeah, 320 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,440 man, because again, let's let's do let's go back to the same 321 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:52,480 theme. Like I don't see Bruce Brown getting played off the floor in a 322 00:20:52,599 --> 00:20:56,400 final series. I was about to ask you that though, is it more 323 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,920 likely that Bruce Brown gets played on the floor of Michael Porter Junior because they 324 00:21:00,079 --> 00:21:03,559 are Bruce Brown's playoff offense is just something that's sort of like the Nets have 325 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:08,920 not made maybe I'm just like blanking on the twenty twenty playoff run, Like, 326 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,000 like they haven't made like this super deep playoff push with Bruce Brown his 327 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,799 mission, So there is like questions on how his offense to me might hold 328 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,640 up in the postseason. That's the thing. I think he's better now than 329 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,519 he's ever been. So it's like, is this for real? He's I 330 00:21:21,559 --> 00:21:23,440 think this is age twenty sixth season, so like, yeah, maybe this 331 00:21:23,519 --> 00:21:26,880 is just Bruce Brown is only twenty six. This is just he's peaking. 332 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,680 Wow. So well, now they're gonna make me check that. I'm pretty 333 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,400 sure. But if you're right, he might be a future all I'm just 334 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:38,160 kidding about the So yeah, I guess my right. My risk A version 335 00:21:38,319 --> 00:21:42,279 says MPJ, the ceiling is really high. But we've talked a lot. 336 00:21:42,279 --> 00:21:45,759 I've talked a lot about floors and ceilings, but like, his ceiling is 337 00:21:45,839 --> 00:21:49,480 high, but is he gonna reach it because of health and because of role 338 00:21:49,519 --> 00:21:52,920 and because of team context where Bruce Brown can just if Bruce Brown could just 339 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,720 do this, I mean he's already playing slightly more minutes per game than MPJ. 340 00:21:57,319 --> 00:22:02,119 Like, I mean, that's why I hate this question. I feel 341 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:03,839 like this is one we're going to look back on when Porter juniors made like 342 00:22:03,839 --> 00:22:07,160 six All Star Games. But feel stupid, But I freaking love this question. 343 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:11,440 Actually, it's probably it's I do think it's probably a tougher question to 344 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:15,000 answer from the Nuggets perspective than a lot of other teams who I do feel 345 00:22:15,079 --> 00:22:17,759 would still fault to. And the contract was a good point, by the 346 00:22:17,759 --> 00:22:19,359 way, because it's not just the investment you have an MPJ, but how 347 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:25,720 cheap Bruce Brown Junior. Right, let's see, I'll throw you this one. 348 00:22:26,599 --> 00:22:30,480 This is from Bondam thirty four. Assuming yokich An embiad or all NBA 349 00:22:30,559 --> 00:22:33,640 centers and Anthony Davis makes second team or first as a forward, who's the 350 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,759 third team center? So basically, who's the third best center in the league 351 00:22:37,839 --> 00:22:44,240 right now after yokich An embiid So I'm going by the play by play data 352 00:22:44,319 --> 00:22:48,160 here the answer of Pascal Siakam. Oh, that's such a cheating answer. 353 00:22:48,599 --> 00:22:52,240 I hate that he's been better than everybody else, But I would say it's 354 00:22:52,279 --> 00:22:55,279 it has to be Bam after that. No, I mean it has the 355 00:22:55,359 --> 00:23:00,119 Rudy Gobert town stuff. I like, I Gobert's been fine, but they're 356 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,880 trying to do more stuff with him offensively and it doesn't really always look great. 357 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,279 He's been able to prop up their defense on a lot of the times 358 00:23:06,279 --> 00:23:08,319 for minute they had, like they've actually climbed the ranks. If you looked 359 00:23:08,319 --> 00:23:11,160 at where they are in defense lately, they're actually get where they second or 360 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:15,559 something like, they're great when he's on the floor, like right and they're 361 00:23:15,599 --> 00:23:18,160 they're Oh no, I was looking at just on the floor. Yeah, 362 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,359 they're they're down to fourteenth in defensive efficiency, So excuse me. I don't 363 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,880 know why I thought they were a second, but yeah, it's it's it 364 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:30,400 like who else is in that conversation. So just like estimated plus minus and 365 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,400 some other stuff we've I think brook Lopez is someone that's gonna have a case, 366 00:23:33,839 --> 00:23:37,559 especially with all the defensive player of the Year buzz that he's getting, 367 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,160 and he's on a great team and everyone on that team won't shut up about 368 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:48,880 there's really a center that's no. If you're asking me who I would want, 369 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,880 I think like the logical answer is bam. Even though like a lot 370 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,279 of the advanced numbers don't like him. I just think it's like if you 371 00:23:56,359 --> 00:24:00,160 had to just pick someone, it's got to be Bam. But Lopez as 372 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,279 a case, I mean, like everyone in Sacramento is gonna say, well, 373 00:24:03,279 --> 00:24:07,000 Sabonis is like eighteen eleven and six and the King's offense is great, 374 00:24:07,079 --> 00:24:11,599 Like miss me with the Sabonis stuff. Who that felt like you unnecessary straight, 375 00:24:12,839 --> 00:24:15,599 like you don't have to insult him, will not call him the third 376 00:24:15,599 --> 00:24:19,000 best side in the league right now? I mentioned so yeah, but look 377 00:24:19,079 --> 00:24:25,079 so that you mentioned Gobert, I think, uh else, just so I 378 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:26,960 touched the other side of the opposite of someone catching a straight. I think 379 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,240 Jared Allen, you know, if he gets healthy and is playing, it 380 00:24:30,319 --> 00:24:34,599 is probably someone you're gonna want to think minutes get ratcheted up. No, 381 00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:38,839 I think I think for me it's somewhere between Lopez and Autobio. But I 382 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:44,599 lean auto Bio Gobert would have been a pretty easy answer like most years before 383 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,279 this one, just if you're looking at like defensive impact and all this other 384 00:24:48,319 --> 00:24:51,960 stuff. But I think I don't think. I don't think we're there yet 385 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:56,039 this year. If that happens, I'm going to leap froud to a question 386 00:24:56,079 --> 00:24:59,400 because I think this question was was made for you, and it comes from 387 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,680 Tibo wings Ban been thinking about the Dubs and how the defense had been what 388 00:25:03,839 --> 00:25:07,599 puts them over the top. Only caring about sixteen playoff wins for Klay during 389 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,119 twenty fifteen to twenty nineteen, where would you have put him on a list 390 00:25:11,599 --> 00:25:15,720 of the top ten total defensive value of all players for that five year stretch, 391 00:25:15,839 --> 00:25:19,799 not including centers and for whatever your answer is, what percent of that 392 00:25:19,839 --> 00:25:26,400 defender do you think is reasonable to expect from current Clay? So Clay is 393 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:33,000 one of the hardest defensive players to evaluate because none of the numbers have ever 394 00:25:33,079 --> 00:25:37,480 liked him like you just have. It's basically a watch the game's argument, 395 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,440 which always sucks because it makes it seem like you want to be subject to 396 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:47,400 the bias of everything. But so, just for example, like he's never 397 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:52,000 ever had consistently been a high steels guy, like just doesn't get steals. 398 00:25:52,039 --> 00:25:56,720 He's never once had a positive defensive box plus minus, which is really fucking 399 00:25:56,759 --> 00:26:00,400 hard to do when you're on a lot of defenses that are top five and 400 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,759 sometimes number one. I mean that filters out for who you're out there with. 401 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,480 But like the numbers just don't the numbers say he's a bad defender, 402 00:26:07,839 --> 00:26:11,359 which which isn't the case. I think the way you make the case for 403 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,680 him beat so he's not like a top ten defensive player at any stretch. 404 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:22,799 I don't think of the years in question of like fifteen nineteen just objectively in 405 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,880 terms of like his value to the specific situation he was in. Like that's 406 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,480 where you make the argument that he's really vital because for years and years he 407 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,000 would guard Tony Parker when the Warriors were always trying to beat the Spurs right 408 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,440 and Steph couldn't do that or wouldn't do that, wasn't asked to do that. 409 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,640 And then against the Calves, it was really common to see him stand 410 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:45,200 up Kevin Love in the post. So he was kind of the like Draymond 411 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,400 puts out all the fires on that defense, especially when they were really great, 412 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:53,359 but Clay was kind of second in that effort. Andrew Bogit deserves credit 413 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,200 too, especially early on, but Clay could be asked to defend four positions 414 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:03,160 and do it pretty well sctacularly, but he would cover for guys that couldn't 415 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,640 guard the positions that they should have been able to or would normally have been 416 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:12,039 asked to. And he also was just solid, like just was where he 417 00:27:12,079 --> 00:27:17,519 was supposed to be, wouldn't make a ton of mistakes. But like, 418 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,880 I think probably if anyone's even thinking about him as a top ten defender at 419 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,160 any stretch from fifteen to nineteen, like, I don't think you're I can't 420 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,240 get there independent of big men too. Yeah, No, I think even 421 00:27:30,279 --> 00:27:33,680 if you're, well, maybe if you're just talking wings, even that's just 422 00:27:33,759 --> 00:27:37,119 like you've got to you can't lean on the numbers because he was a bad 423 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:42,240 defender statistically. I think I was gonna saying. The thing with that is 424 00:27:42,279 --> 00:27:45,920 just like and you laid all this out, like being able to tell him 425 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:51,079 to just go guard the point of attack. His defensive metrics would be better 426 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:55,079 if he grabbed rebounds, which was just that was not a focus of his 427 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,000 because he was spending so much time in these tough perimeter recovers. And when 428 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,160 you're having those tough perimeter recovers, it's almost hard to get steals because all 429 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,079 of your steals have to come like outside the passing lane then like or you're 430 00:28:04,079 --> 00:28:07,839 not stumbling into lose balls. And so I actually think that he you know, 431 00:28:07,839 --> 00:28:11,799 this wasn't the Avery Bradley paradox. I actually think that Klay Thompson was 432 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,000 underrated defensively, not top ten during that time. I honestly, I don't 433 00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:18,359 know, but I almost felt like you were just telling him short there, 434 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,000 like in terms of perimeter defenders. Here's what I'd say. I'd say, 435 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,920 I think the best way to measure like the real value of a player is 436 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,519 can he be an important piece of a team that is playing at like a 437 00:28:33,559 --> 00:28:41,440 really high level and against different types of teams that are gonna try to that 438 00:28:41,519 --> 00:28:45,039 are gonna try to go at you with mismatches of either smaller guys or bigger 439 00:28:45,079 --> 00:28:48,880 guys. And he held up. He did everything that was asked of him, 440 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,480 And so I think that's really valuable because there's just a lot of guys 441 00:28:52,519 --> 00:28:56,119 that, you know, that are probably better physical defenders than him, that 442 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,599 just wouldn't do that. You know that It's like I'm just gonna guard a 443 00:28:59,599 --> 00:29:02,440 wing. You know, I'm not chasing. I'm not chasing. Like Tony 444 00:29:02,519 --> 00:29:06,039 Parker at his peak was like, there aren't a lot of guys that are 445 00:29:06,039 --> 00:29:08,160 harder to stay with in a half court set. When Tim Duncan is setting 446 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,240 a screen, it's just like that's a hell of a job, and he 447 00:29:11,359 --> 00:29:15,119 spared Curry from that, and like that's valuable. That's a specific example, 448 00:29:15,119 --> 00:29:19,519 but it's illustrative of like what he did. So I just I don't know 449 00:29:19,559 --> 00:29:22,559 how to rank that. I know that, I know that the Warrior's defense 450 00:29:22,599 --> 00:29:27,680 would not have been nearly as good without him, but I don't I just 451 00:29:29,079 --> 00:29:33,119 like, how do you how do you rank a guy in the top ten 452 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,400 of something? It's hard. I don't know. It's it's so context dependent. 453 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,599 I definitely never remember thinking to kind of tie into the second part of 454 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,480 this question, Oh man, he got burned there, or like he that's 455 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,319 maybe not a matchup for him. I don't remember thinking that. Even when 456 00:29:48,319 --> 00:29:53,119 he's guarding ones and fours this year, I think he's maybe seventy percent of 457 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,960 like what he was before, and there are nights where it's like, I 458 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,559 don't know what the percentage is, it's just like half because he just can't 459 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,960 He's had nights where and like, yeah, if I tore my achilles in 460 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,640 my acl like I would be having a hard time staying in front of the 461 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,839 best athletes in the world. But he's he's definitely not that same guy. 462 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:17,000 Now. I think the main thing is he's moved up the positional spectrum where 463 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:21,200 now it's like some threes are too quick, fours are like it's better if 464 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,640 he gets to use his strength than his lateral mobility, because it's just not 465 00:30:23,839 --> 00:30:27,160 it's not there. I do think he can still be part of a really 466 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:32,319 good defense, and I think the Warriors have been better and will be better 467 00:30:33,359 --> 00:30:36,039 on that end of the floor. There's a long way to go for them 468 00:30:36,039 --> 00:30:37,559 to be back to where they were, especially at the beginning of last year. 469 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,720 But he's just he's not going to be that guy. He's not going 470 00:30:41,759 --> 00:30:45,400 to be someone you could throw out there on anyone but a center and feel 471 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,480 like we don't need to worry about that those days are I don't think we're 472 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:53,680 that. That's what Andrew Wiggins is for. He's ever more valuable defensively again 473 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,839 than Andrew Wiggins never, No, I mean, Wiggins is a great defensive 474 00:30:57,839 --> 00:31:02,720 player, like just you know, I've been saying that in twenty nineteen, 475 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:07,000 right right. The fact of that where Wiggins is today is what keeps me 476 00:31:07,079 --> 00:31:11,200 from like giving up on almost anybody in their first like handful of seasons on 477 00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:15,680 a bad team just because you never would like Wiggins as like the perfect three 478 00:31:15,759 --> 00:31:18,559 and D role player that can get you a bucket when you need it, 479 00:31:18,599 --> 00:31:23,319 but doesn't shoot that like that was just unfathomable in the early years of Wiggins. 480 00:31:25,359 --> 00:31:27,400 I can I ask you this question about Draymond Green too, just because 481 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,599 I was hoping you would, because this is a really fun question. Glad 482 00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:33,839 asked, if you were an MBAGM, what is the highest draft pick you 483 00:31:33,839 --> 00:31:36,960 would use on a player that would be guaranteed to have Draymond Green's career. 484 00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:38,839 To clarify, I don't mean the titles are guaranteed, but like essentially all 485 00:31:38,839 --> 00:31:42,000 the things drey brings to the table as a player, rebounding, passing, 486 00:31:42,079 --> 00:31:45,839 leadership, until he punched pool energy, knowing he will essentially be an All 487 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:51,839 NBA defender for seven plus years, dpoy, etc. So what's the highest 488 00:31:51,839 --> 00:31:52,960 pick you would use? Glass said he would definitely use a lottery pick, 489 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,400 but he wasn't sure if he could use a top five. They could use 490 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,480 a top five pick on him. So if we just put aside all the 491 00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:04,160 questions we always have to ask about Draymond, you know, would you do 492 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,680 this if it weren't the Warriors and if he didn't have Steph Curry, we 493 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,440 can put that aside and just look at the drafts around him. So I'm 494 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:15,119 going top five minimum, and that's just based on I've just looked. I 495 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,440 scanned the drafts he's starting from twenty ten to twenty fifteen. He was picked 496 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,559 in twenty twelve, he came off the board thirty fifth, So in twenty 497 00:32:21,599 --> 00:32:24,279 ten, I think the only guy you take over him is Paul George that 498 00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:29,240 I'd even have a discussion about. Twenty eleven, you take Kawhi over him. 499 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,039 You probably take Jimmy Butler, you probably take Kyrie, and then Clay. 500 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,319 I think as someone you probably take Draymond over But that's where we are. 501 00:32:36,359 --> 00:32:38,519 So that's four guys. Twenty twelve, you take Anthony Davis, you 502 00:32:38,599 --> 00:32:45,240 take Damian Lillard, Brad Beale, Chris Middleton, debatable next year, Jannis 503 00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:47,160 for sure. Rudy Gobert is a really interesting one. I think I'd take 504 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:52,359 Draymond over Gobert. But that's it. Twenty fourteen, mbiad and Yokich, 505 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:58,720 that's it. Twenty fifteen Booker, and then it's like towns in porzingis probably 506 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,599 not so like you're top five for all those and that's you know, a 507 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:06,799 couple of years before and several after. I think Draymond has had better career, 508 00:33:06,839 --> 00:33:10,400 a better career than a lot of those guys, and it's certainly one 509 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:15,319 more than all of them. So I don't know. I mean, it's 510 00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:17,640 a top five for me. You can't take him first because he can't be 511 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:22,079 the best player on your team. But other than that, like, I 512 00:33:22,079 --> 00:33:23,480 don't know what you're hoping to get out of the draft. You know, 513 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:28,319 everybody wants the thirty points per game, first option scorer, but you know, 514 00:33:29,319 --> 00:33:30,880 other than that, I don't know what you'd what you'd prioritize more than 515 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:35,480 a guy that could be the anchor of a playoff defense, you know for 516 00:33:35,559 --> 00:33:38,119 ten years. That's that's tough to top. I think top five would be 517 00:33:38,119 --> 00:33:42,559 pretty easy. Does it get like difficult for you when you're talking top three 518 00:33:42,759 --> 00:33:45,960 or you know, top one, like if you're guaranteed because Draymond is like 519 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:51,200 the engine of your entire team, it's really just the offensive question is what 520 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,279 do you envision Draymond being offensively independent of the Warriors? And like I said, 521 00:33:54,279 --> 00:33:57,640 I'm with you. I would use a top five pick without even thinking 522 00:33:57,839 --> 00:34:00,799 on someone who guaranteed to have Draymond Green's career. I think Curry is such 523 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:05,960 as a unique player, and I don't think it's realistic to say that Green 524 00:34:06,039 --> 00:34:09,559 would have developed the level of chemistry and for it to have been as effective 525 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:14,559 as it's been with Curry with literally anyone else in the history of the sport. 526 00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:17,559 Like Curry is just the guy for him to play with, and I 527 00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:22,880 think Green would have figured out how to make some other star better. But 528 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:29,760 it's just it's a it's sort of a lightning in a bottle situation that he 529 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:35,320 got to come to the Warriors and play with Curry because offensively, like you 530 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,679 can throw him on one of those rockets teams instead of PJ. Tucker right 531 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,960 with Harden, Like you're just not guarding him in the corner. So what's 532 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,719 he doing. He's not playing pick and roll with Harden because they just wanted 533 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,840 to io. So there's just like there's all these uncertainties, but depending on 534 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:52,400 the situation, like yeah, the top two or three, but like top 535 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,400 five is is like not a not a question for me at all. I 536 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,360 do wonder I'd have to go look back where I had him when if I 537 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,719 was still doing NBA one hundred at that time, but twenty fifteen, twenty 538 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,599 sixteen, like that Draymond Green, there was an argument of is he a 539 00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:07,920 top ten player? And like that was an actual that that singular year or 540 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:13,239 two years stretch, Yeah, that was an actual question. Well that's the 541 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:19,119 year he shot thirty eight percent from three. Yeah, that's happened once. 542 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,159 So so that guy, Yeah, that guy was a top ten player, 543 00:35:22,199 --> 00:35:27,519 I think. But it's just you know this, it's he's is he the 544 00:35:27,519 --> 00:35:30,599 most context dependent player? Like not taking away like he would have been very 545 00:35:30,599 --> 00:35:35,280 good to great anywhere I think if he'd gotten an opportunity to play, but 546 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:39,440 even like his skill set is so unusual, Like where else is he going 547 00:35:39,519 --> 00:35:45,199 to get the agency and the use and the touches and all, Like he's 548 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:49,079 a really valuable offensive player even though he's just not a shooter, Like that's 549 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,800 I don't know where else he gets that chance. Let's see, what do 550 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,800 we have another one for you? Okay, I got one more? I 551 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:59,719 think last one for you, dark Wing Duck, right, dark Wing Duck, 552 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:06,000 My guy, this is Darkling Duck coming with the tough ones. Yeah, 553 00:36:06,039 --> 00:36:08,400 he wants this is he's they're treating this like we had forty hours to 554 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:13,320 add for this. You go call up Kevin Pelton and Seth partner for this 555 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,920 one and give him like a full day to work on it. What is 556 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:20,320 the biggest drop in a player's field goal percentage and three point percentage due to 557 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,800 miss heaves over a season minimum thanks for the filter, minimum one hundred three 558 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:28,039 point attempts in the season. And do NBA players Part two? Really? 559 00:36:28,159 --> 00:36:31,199 Do NBA players really worry about it enough to be the reason they don't heave? 560 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:36,239 Thank god you did some a little bit of research on part one, 561 00:36:36,559 --> 00:36:38,800 But I do have a thought on part two. So, well, floor 562 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:43,280 is your Seth partner? Yeah, so I tried. I did try to 563 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,639 actually find the answer to this question. But there's no way for me to 564 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,039 like, yeah, if I got into like filtering, setting up a cold 565 00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:52,280 for like to filter it right into a spreadsheet, which I just don't have 566 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:53,679 the time to do or to figure out how to do. But it wasn't 567 00:36:53,679 --> 00:36:59,000 available like together where the total attempts versus like, so I would have just 568 00:36:59,039 --> 00:37:00,480 taken too much. It would have taken too much, like work for a 569 00:37:00,519 --> 00:37:02,800 male. Bad question. My opinion, these are supposed to be like more 570 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,679 like that off the cough. We do do research for them, but I 571 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:12,360 did look. Steph Curry owns the record at least since which shot finder since 572 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,519 ninety six ninety seven on the number of heaves taken in a single season. 573 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,639 In twenty sixteen twenty seventeen, he took fifteen heaves and he made only one. 574 00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:23,239 And so you're talking about that's okay, Yes it's six point seven percent, 575 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:27,800 which sounds just so bad, but like you're fourteen misses caked into his 576 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,480 three point percentage that year, he was still over forty one percent, and 577 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:36,960 so you're not looking at something that would meaningfully change his shot percentage. If 578 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:42,559 you're wondering who there's also there's definitely some sort of wrong code here, by 579 00:37:42,599 --> 00:37:44,960 the way, for basketball reags, because shot Finder, it's coming up that 580 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,679 Kris Stops, Denny, Avvia, Kyle Kuzma, Will Barton have all hit 581 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,159 multiple heaves this year, which is just not true, and that Chris Stops, 582 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:58,320 Denny and Kuzma specifically are three of five on heaves for the season. 583 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:04,679 So I didn't include that. But the most recent person to hit multiple heaves 584 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:09,599 in a season before this year Marco Bell and Elli in twenty ten, twenty 585 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:15,719 eleven hit was two of two on heaves. I want to see. Sorry, 586 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,960 I was starting my field goal percentage rate. Steph Curry hit multiple heaves 587 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:22,840 in twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, Soda Vince Carter, but just randomly in 588 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,679 twenty I found that interesting ten twenty eleven, Marco Bell and Nelly went two 589 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:31,599 of two on heaves apparently. So the answer of the second part is they 590 00:38:31,639 --> 00:38:36,119 absolutely think about it, and you see it in real time develop Some players 591 00:38:36,119 --> 00:38:39,320 really don't give a shit, And I think I understand why players would second 592 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:45,280 guest, especially if you're a non star. But like we as podcasters, 593 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,920 we as media members, fans, we as fans, like we're filtering out 594 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,400 heaves now, like we're like teams are smart enough to where if they're if 595 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,360 they come to you in a meeting and saying, well, we're not gonna 596 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:58,920 give you eight point seven million, we're not gonna give you the mid level, 597 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,400 We'll give you a million dollars less because you only shot thirty eight percent 598 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,960 from three last year, and like if you filter out the fourteen heaves that 599 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,159 you miss, like that brought it up to thirty nine, Like I just 600 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,840 they absolutely think about it, So I get it. But also we should 601 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,920 be beyond the point like they're they're a separate form of data, and I 602 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:20,639 would campaign for well to make it even more accessible or more obvious, because 603 00:39:20,639 --> 00:39:22,519 the fans shouldn't have to do the leg work on this is when you're actually 604 00:39:22,519 --> 00:39:27,360 looking at a player's three point percentage? Can the heaves just not be included? 605 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,599 And then you get into the will? Then should the last second shot 606 00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:31,639 clock ones and they half court be included? I get that, there's like 607 00:39:31,679 --> 00:39:35,639 some complications there. I think in the half court everything just needs to be 608 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,760 fair. You had twenty four seconds, figure out what the hell you were 609 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,519 doing. You weren't under the actual limitations of oh, there's only point five 610 00:39:40,559 --> 00:39:45,159 seconds left on the entire clock. Yeah, I think you could just fix 611 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,599 that by just let's like talk about the rain, like you know, NBA 612 00:39:47,679 --> 00:39:51,559 dot Com sorts by you know, you get your twenty five to twenty nine 613 00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:53,079 feet, you're thirty to third whatever, Like we just talked about that. 614 00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:55,800 At anytime it's over forty, we could or fifty, we could just assume 615 00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:00,760 it's a heave and just not count it. Players absolutely do hold the ball 616 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,960 and like feign an attempt after the buzzer goes off or other things. But 617 00:40:05,039 --> 00:40:07,920 like whenever we talk about something like this and this is the thing, we 618 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:12,800 can filter it out. But contracts have incentives for certain three point percentages. 619 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,599 In mohark list, do you remember this in twenty seventeen, had a five 620 00:40:15,679 --> 00:40:20,280 hundred thousand dollars incentive if he made thirty five percent of his threes and he 621 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,480 got to thirty five point one percent and did not shoot at three in the 622 00:40:22,519 --> 00:40:27,880 last game of the season, like purposely was avoiding like stepping in like I 623 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:32,760 think, always good for him money, But I'm just saying, like that's 624 00:40:34,159 --> 00:40:37,159 that's maybe something we want to look at a little more, like, hey, 625 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:42,960 team, if he's a X percent, let's like not incentivize him to 626 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,679 take like to change his shot profile down the stretch of the season. Like 627 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:50,559 that's a little I don't I'm not cool with that. But yeah, like 628 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,599 just watch literally any game, Like guys will just not heave it every at 629 00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:58,639 the end of every quarter game. It just doesn't happen. They always duck, 630 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,159 they always duck it. It's like, I don't know, I don't 631 00:41:01,199 --> 00:41:05,079 know, you're like, do you care about your numbers? I guess I 632 00:41:05,199 --> 00:41:10,000 have this anecdote. Do you know who the leader on b ball refs shot 633 00:41:10,039 --> 00:41:14,800 funders says in career since again, only since ninety six ninety seven, who's 634 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:20,760 made the most in the NBA during that almost three decades? Ban heaves Andre 635 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,679 Drummond. No, that was I'm not the where you were gonna go with 636 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,280 that, guess. I mean, Steph's the obvious answer, but it's not 637 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,880 him or you hied for second with Jason Kidd and Dwayne Wade. Oh, 638 00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:37,599 Dwayne Wade. You know what I can picture Dwayne Wade always chucking it and 639 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:42,239 just this season apparently Danny Ava and Kyle Kuzma and Christos Porzincas have ambled their 640 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,239 way into the top ten all time. And you're gonna break records the Wizards 641 00:41:45,639 --> 00:41:51,920 Zach Randolph with five, Oh, Zach Zach Randolph five of thirty seven on 642 00:41:52,119 --> 00:41:57,440 heaves for a thirteen point five percent clip. Some people, some people would 643 00:41:57,519 --> 00:42:01,159 kill to shoot from that from the three point line. If you're wondering who 644 00:42:01,199 --> 00:42:05,920 has the most attempts, I feel like you're not gonna get it either. 645 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,480 Steph Curry. Second, Yeah, I was gonna say, Steph just I 646 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:14,599 could picture him taking a lot of heaps because he expects to make him good 647 00:42:14,599 --> 00:42:16,199 friend. And you know what, I respect him a ton for that. 648 00:42:16,519 --> 00:42:22,360 Yeah, Andre Miller one hundred and thirteen heaves. Steph Curry is in second 649 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:29,159 with eighty six, and those two were the hen shoulders above like Steve Blake. 650 00:42:29,639 --> 00:42:32,119 Third at sixty four Ray and fourth at sixty one Jamal Crawford at fifty 651 00:42:32,199 --> 00:42:37,039 nine. Ray Felton comes in the top seven. Good for Ray Felton. 652 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:42,320 So oh man, good heave talk. I always like to I imagine Andre 653 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:46,440 Miller doing a heave somehow right after he fakes the time out and then drives 654 00:42:46,519 --> 00:42:50,480 the basket and gets a free lay up, which is his other thing he 655 00:42:50,519 --> 00:42:53,760 always did. I was surprised that Jared Jack wasn't on here, but I 656 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:59,280 guess just the meme wasn't indicative of his his shot selection where he's always to 657 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,559 hit him off, like throws it over that hoop in that Nikes game. 658 00:43:02,679 --> 00:43:07,079 That's right, Yeah, that's gonna go. That'll be remembered forever as maybe 659 00:43:07,159 --> 00:43:08,639 that's why he shouldn't take keeps or he should take him from farther. I 660 00:43:08,639 --> 00:43:15,840 think it's probably I think that's it. Unless you got anything else, I'll 661 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,960 take us out. 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