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Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and
Jason, this week covering Our Flag Means

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Death, Season one, Episode eight, We Go Way Back. Welcome to

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Spacing Out. I'm BB and I'm
Jason, and we are discussing Our Flag

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Means Death one episode at a time, spoiler free, and the series is

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available to stream on the service Max
formerly HBO, And you should know this

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is a rewatch for us. We
will have a spoiler section at the end

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of the podcast where we are free
to discuss any future events in the series.

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So if this is your first time
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you'll just need to skip that clearly
marked section. But otherwise we won't

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be spoiling anything past this episode,
which is Our Flag Means Death, Season

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one, Episode eight, We Go
Way Back. Get it, It's like

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Seagual Goal way Back. I didn't
realize that with title until I sigded on

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the title screen. This originally aired
on March seventeenth, twenty two, written

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by Alyssa Lane and Alex Sherman and
directed by Burton Birdie, which is a

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directing duo. I've been seeing their
name pop up a lot. They did

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a lot of like independent films and
online stuff for a while, but now

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they've been doing a lot of sci
fi fantasy. They've been in Hawkeye Silo,

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latest Walking Dead series, and then
the show Cool. In this episode,

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an old friend of Blackbeard's Calico,
Jack, arrives, rousing Blackbeard's more

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chaotic side, and stirs up Steed's
jealousy by mentioning that he and Edward were

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past lovers. A drunken Jack kills
Buttons beat seagull Carl. Steve orders Jack

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off the ship. Blackbeard decides to
join him, and Jack admits to black

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Beard that Izzy sent him to get
black Beard out of the way and led

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the Revenge to be ambushed by Chauncey
Badminton. Blackbeard races back to the Revenge.

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The British capture them, but Steve
and Blackbeard are happy to be reunited

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and then heartbroken by Jim's absence.
Aliwandi gives up his cabin the Frenchy and

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we John, who expressed their excitement
for their newfound status as roommates. Meanwhile,

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Jim takes Giraldo hostage the four Spanish
Jackie into telling them everything she knows

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about the Sieta Gios. Jackie kills
Geraldo herself and reveals that'aldo was a

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member of the Siete Gios, adding
that all the other members are probably dead.

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Vibe check. Did we like the
episode overall? How does it stand

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the test of time? All?
Right? How does this one stuck up?

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It's alright, it's not my favorite, but I think it's because Calico

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Jack is just such an unlikable character, right, It's a it's a hard

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one. It's not because he is
so just awful, annoying and frustrating and

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like ruining everything that you're loving.
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he's it's intentional that he's that way
though. He's a literal agent of chaos.

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Yeah. And then there's some good
moments in there, but it's like

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this guy, he's awful. It
makes me hate will learn Net? Right

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would you do to my show?
Dude? Yes? I mean it's still

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good, but it's it's a difficult
one to swallow. Trivia time, What

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facts could we uncover for week?
All way back? So, Calico Jack

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is based on a real pirate and
also knows Jack Rackham and Calico Jack was

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executed in November seventeen twenty and his
body was gibboted to deter others from committing

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acts of piracy. And I looked
up giboted. That means that they just

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display it for public scorn. I'm
guessing he was hung yeah, or or

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displayed out like like on one of
those fun little stocks that they put people

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in. Oh yeah, those things. Those are awful. I can't believe

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people do that for fun, like
at fairs and stuff like. That's like

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a form of capital punishment that you're
doing for fun. Yeah, take my

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photo, ridicule me. Oh.
Kendall Wells, who acted as Will Arnett

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double for the episode, revealed that
Blackbeard asking Calico Jack to whip his balls

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was improvised by Taikowa titi As where
a number of other versions of the same

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scene, which didn't make the vinyl
cut. That was such a like toxic

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masculine like interaction. Yes, Like, There's been so many instances, specifically

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in like middle school and high school
where I remember boys willingly putting their balls

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in danger like that. I was
like, what are you doing, dude?

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I feel like teenage boys just always
play some version of that game of

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yeah yeah, And I'm just like
this is peak like adolescent like fun for

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men or boys or people with penises, and I was just like, this

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is very authentic. This feels very
like it like cringe, hit me in

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the ball, whip me in the
ball, because that's what it like.

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Calgo Jack is bringing him back to
like act elicits like this like danger and

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like juvenile kind of humor and everybody, what else do you got for trivia?

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Also improvised was the foot touch scene
at the very end, improvised by

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Taikawa and the creator David Jenkins admitted
he only noticed it when reviewing the footage,

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and that was a really nice touchstand
very gently, very like I'm here

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Fleetwood Max. The chain being used
in the episode was David Jenkins's idea and

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it was the first piece of music
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show. It was really good.
I think it was like the best use

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of like music. Yeah, it
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managed to sink it with the action, like even the drummer hitting like a

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drum that sounds very differently, but
the beat was still on it. And

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yeah, it was really good.
Deep Sea Dive, let's break down some

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of our thoughts on the episode.
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We go way back, So we
start off the scene with a very peaceful

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night. Everyone's laying down, sleeping, resting. So is that where they

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usually sleep then on the deck.
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important that you get a room like
that's high status. They either sleep in

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that room or they sleep downstairs in
that place where there's like a hammock.

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That's where I assume they were sleeping. Yeah, but they get they're fucking

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pirates. They sleep where where the
fuck they want? Fucking sweet was in

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a barrel, that's true. Roach
was hugging the onions, and Buttons was

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playing a flute and bathing in the
moonlight, preparing for a special evening the

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following night, And upon him arises
a phantom perceived by him of Jack Kaliko,

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who's like belligerent and like awful.
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Buttons, like, I don't know
he might be here, he might not

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be, and if he was,
he's probably sleeping. I like the skepticism

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that Buttons brings to the table.
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Steed's quarters? Oh, that's a
good question. I don't know. I

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don't either. They don't show that
right, No, but I think that's

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part of the mystery of what's going
on between them, Like because even Kaliko

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Jack asks like, are you guys
buggering each other? And Steed's like,

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I'm not gonna warrant that with an
answer. He's like too gentlemanly to tell

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on himself whatever's happening between them.
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between them to make Steed so jealous. Yeah, I just don't think they've

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had a conversation about it. I
feel like they haven't acted on it other

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than just like friendly banter. Yeah
co captains. Yeah. I think that

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foot touch was like the closest touching
that they've had. That's like their most

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intimate moment so far, besides that
one moment where he says you wear fine

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things. Well, So Steed is
woken up by all this cannon fire and

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chaos going on upstairs, and he
goes up there and it's like, you

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know, what the buck's going on? Then he tells Ed that breakfast is

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ready, So I get like,
is Roach setting up that breakfast for him

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then? Because like it was just
already ready when Steve just got out of

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bed. Yeah, Roach probably makes
breakfast for him. That makes sense.

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Yeah, I guess. So there's
a lot of food too, is like

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an everyday breakfast, probably because Steed's
the Gentleman Pirate and they're all about excess.

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It's about having too much food and
not eating it. It's a sign

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of wealth, and like even rich
people today are doing it. Like I

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think there was this thing about how
during the Grammys or something, they had

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like charcouterie boards on all the tables
and nobody was touching them. And it's

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a sign of wealth to be able
to spend money on food and then not

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eat it. It's like wealth and
excess, and that's where Steed comes from.

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So it's like hard to break from
that. You're just not used to

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seeing that many groceries in one place. It's not like after a big grocery

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trip, No, I get it. It's like when we buy vegetables and

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then we don't eat them and they
rut in the fridge. Yeah, it's

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a sign of access and wealth.
I want to jump to the roommate situation.

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Oh well, all Alan day it's
just like, oh, I'm so

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sad about Jim. I can't even
be in that room anymore. And fucking

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Swedes like, wait a minute,
did you just say that the room is

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empty? And they run and Frenchie
hears too. It was funny that the

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word of mouth went from Swede and
then Frenchy overhears it, and then we

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John gets in on the action.
Yes, it's a hot commodity to have

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that room, and it is a
nice little room. If I had that

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or the ship's hull, I'd be
like, yeah, give me your room,

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man. Yeah, I mean no
wonder Aluandi was like, we don't

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need the mutiny. Let's keep things
the status quo. Yeah. So it's

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really funny that. Well it's sad
too that Frenchie and we John have never

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had a room. They're like,
I've heard of rooms, I've never had

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one of my own. What do
we do? Like they're trying to design

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things and come up with ideas on
what they want to do. The fact

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that Frenchy is totally put off by
the idea that someone else might come over

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and visit them. Yeah, well
I get it. I don't want people

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in my room. I just got
it. What if they try to take

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it I'm still just curious, like, how is it that Aluwandi and Jim

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ended up with rooms? And Jim
is tough. Remember, everybody was afraid

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of Jim. Jim probably like did
something to like alpha male his claimed it

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and though for yeah, they and
they needed the room because Jim had that

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secret identity and that was the only
place where Jim could take off their prosthetic

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beard and nose. So I feel
like they probably were like very cunning in

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their way to get it because the
crew respects Jim a lot, so I

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could see like how they would maneuver
their way into getting that room. I'm

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glad those guys got their own room. I would have been really interested to

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see what the Swede would have done
it with it. Though, with his

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fallen teeth and nails from the scurvy, I feel like he needed a win.

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Yeah. So do we need to
say more about Calico Jack. I

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mean, I feel like we're pretty
much said how annoying and frustrating he is.

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Yeah, I really don't like his
character, and I think that was

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the point of his character was to
be this like annoying and convenient like distraction.

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Yeah, it's not that like they
tried to write a good character and

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messed up, or that he performed
that role poorly, Like no, it's

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it's as intended, but it's just
so so well done that it's off putting.

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Yeah, and then we learn eventually
that this is all manipulation, even

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though it seems to be still like
that's his personality. Yeah, Like he's

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been mute neat like what three times
this year, so he can't keep a

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crew. Probably Isy Hands was like, I know exactly who to throw at

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them because he probably has the same
exact feelings. When when Kalico's Jack is

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around, Yeah, and he thought
it was a surefire way to get Blackbeard

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away from Steve Bonnet. And it
kind of works until Kalico Jack spills the

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beans about the real intentions of his
like being there, and he's like,

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yeah, you didn't get like that. I was setting you up for a

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trap, you stupid asshole. And
as soon as Blackbeard finds out, he's

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like, well, that's my friend, that's not I'm not setting him up.

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That's not cool, like, which
is like completely different from the black

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Beard we initially saw, who was
ready to take over Steve Bonnet's life.

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It's like I'm not black Beard.
I'm Steve Bonnett. I'm a well Steve

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landowner. So it's really interesting character
gross to see here. And I feel

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like is he probably could have given
calico Jack better instructions about not spilling the

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beans right away. Yeah, well, I wonder like what his instructions were,

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because because he could have come up
with some plan to like show up

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and say that he needs a ride
to the whatever the cove, Findman's cove.

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Yeah, I feel like there's there
were simpler ways as opposed to relying

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on like being able to get under
steed skin and drive this wedge and with

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just the right timing to get in
there. Like yeah, so, what

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was your favorite calico Jack game,
Whippies. What was the one where they

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walk the pull the mast and jump
down. I don't know, similar name

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like Yardy or something. I like
the Coconut War. The Coconut War.

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I think I might be bad for
saying this, but I thought it was

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really funny to have a turtle and
a crab go against each other. That

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was what really got Steed put over
the edge. I think seeing that barberism,

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I just like the idea of a
turtle with a knife on its back,

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like this very slow like most like
I don't know when I think of

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a turtle, I think of like
a gentle creature, like not like a

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vicious beast. But put a knife
on that motherfucker. It's still very slow.

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It's kind of like that meme with
that cute little like hippo or or

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it's like this animal putting away a
knife, where it's like not choosing violence

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today. It's this like idea of
like the super cute or that baby duck

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with a knife, you know,
like the idea of this like adorable soft

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creature with like a weapon. It's
just the juxtaposition. Really enjoyed it.

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But Whippies was swan too, and
even though it got him in trouble with

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fucking buttons. Yeah, that was
the that was the fall of him.

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The Swede like just begging for him
for Allawandi to whip him, whip that

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jar off his head. Yeah,
I'll close my eyes so you can't hit

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them. They were all like mostly
on board, but then like they each

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started getting hurt and they were like, oh, maybe this isn't such great

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fun. Yeah, And no one
was on board for Carl getting killed.

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No, that's when the mood changed
everything, like the tides were turned and

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his death warrant was signed. But
everyone was pretty sympathetic to him early on,

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especially I don't know if he was
actually mutiny three times this year,

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but they really sympathetic to that story. They were like, well, we

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mute need Steed, we might still
do it. Yeah, they were pretty

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sympathetic at first, but then once
he was obviously the bad guy, he

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like murdered one of their crew.
That bird was part of their crew and

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they could not stand for it.
And fucking Buttons hexing him what the fuck?

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Yeah, but the hex was fricking
weird, like the hand motions and

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the intensity and the fact that he
was naked. And then the British came

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and they take out fucking Calico Jack. Yes, and Buttons is like,

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yes, my hex works. Oh
and he has to break the news of

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his dead bird to Deborah or whatever
Olivia Olivia, and that was sad.

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We also have Lucius handling the breakup
scenario, delivering all the black Beard's which

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seemed to be very few. Yeah, probably a couple of knives, Like

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I didn't see anything in that box
and does he not even have like another

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set of clothes. No, he
always wears that leather get up. That

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assumes he change it every now and
no he doesn't. They're pirates. Everybody

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wears the same outfit all the time, except for Steve. He's gonna say

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someone doesn't. Steve is the only
one who has a wardrobe in this fictional

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world. But yeah, the British
are here and black Beard is back,

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and Steve was ready to fight.
He's ready to go out fighting, but

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black Beard's like, no, surrender, dude, you can't fight here.

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I know it. You're three against
one and there's no escape from the cove.

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Yeah, so they surrender and they
get boarded, and it's beautiful.

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It's like the most epic scene thus
far in this show. Yeah, Like,

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first they show the British and all
their colonial might on their boats looking

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like fucking Jo you know what's his
name, George Washington crossing the Delaware,

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giving that imagery the iconography of like
these uniformed white men on a boat that's

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very classic Americana kind of idealism.
And then you have them like coming up

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onto this boat and like using their
hooks and climbing up board and there's little

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to no resistance from these pirates because
they put up the white flag and they're

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still getting brutalized by these soldiers and
it's really chaotic and like it kind of

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reminded me of like when the Titanic
was sinking in that movie The Titanic where

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where it sinks nowhere, where Frenchie
was playing the loom or what is what

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is that instrument? The maroon the
what is it the loom? It's a

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a lut, That's what I was
thinking of. Yeah, it is a

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lute. Yeah, he's playing the
lute on a ship while there's chaos,

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and it gave me Titanic vibes when
those dudes with the violins are playing right

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till the end. Yeah, and
then Buttons is streaking around and no one,

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no one wants any of that.
And then they get captured. They're

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all like roped up, and black
Beard is right there next to Steed,

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and Steed's like you came back,
and black Beard just socialantly is like I

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never left, mate, and he
winks at him, and then they pan

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out and they do a little foot
touch and it's just like, oh no,

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what's going to happen? Like they're
together at least, but what's going

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to happen next? We'll see.
They always figure something out, we will

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see. So I mean overall,
it is actually like a really good look

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at like jealousy and a relationship and
like maturity and yeah, just like how

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how seeing someone from your past might
have you changed your behavior and whay.

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He's like, you don't necessarily see
yourself. You revert to your old ways,

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but that's not who you are anymore. Yeah, And he was so

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convinced that he was this person until
he found out this was all a farce.

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And he's like, I'm not this
person, you know. I just

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got caught up in the friendship and
the nostalgia. And I feel like we

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could that can be any of us
with you know, certain friends or certain

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like time in our lives where we
were maybe a little wilder than we are

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now as we've got mellowed in our
age. Yeah. And I feel like

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Blackbeard struggles with his identity for sure, for sure. And I wonder how

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long would he have wanted to stay
around Calico Jack even if he didn't learn

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that information now, because like I
don't know, if your college drinking buddy

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comes a visit and you go out
and have a good time together. It's

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nostalgic, but like you're going to
do that every night and keep doing that

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for months, Like when does it
end? Eventually you're gonna be like,

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Yeah, I'm just I'm going to
go back to the way I had my

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life before you showed up. I
got laundry, dude, Like, I

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don't know when you do laundry or
like what you do for money. If

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you can keep going out like this, how do you It's not sustainable And

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I think that shows with Calico Jack
getting mutanted every like other months or whatever.

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It's not a very sustainable lifestyle.
But yeah, I'm glad Blackbeard comes

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back. That was very big of
him. And Steed's face lights up when

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he comes over the edge of the
ship. Yeah, you're ready to move

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on. Yeah, Astral Queen,
who was the standout character in the episode,

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Astral Queen, you got you're picking
a Calico Jack, you know what?

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No, I'm just kidding. I
don't know who my astrol Queen is.

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I think my Astral Queen going to
be butts for bathing in the moonlight

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and keeping his rituals and being skeptical
of strangers, and for the loss of

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his beloved friend and the sweet,
sweet vengeance that was given to him and

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being like a crazy naked guy.
Yeah, I've given it to Buttons,

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what about you? So I had
two options written down and one I was

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aligned with you on Buttons. I
was also thinking of begging Steed, Oh

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yeah, for saying get off my
ship. Yeah, because I am going

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to pick Steed because he really like
stands this ground and stands up for like

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who he is. And he at
first he's like very open. He's like,

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you're a friend of a friend of
yours is a friend of mine,

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and that's like the way you would
want to be with your partner. And

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they're crazy friends, Like you want
to be open and kind and having a

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welcoming environment. But if that bitch
keeps coming for you every fucking time they

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get and you need to fucking tell
them who the Fox House this is.

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And Steed did that very well.
Yep. Yeah, I'm very proud of

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him in this episode for growing some
balls, and I think he chose the

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perfect moment to do it too.
Yeah, because everyone was aligned with him.

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Then mm hmm. Then he had
to give like the divorced speech to

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the crew, it's not your fault. We still love you all right then,

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buttons instead, you're the winners of
this episode. The next episode will

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be episode nine, Act of Grace. As we're I've only got two more

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episodes of this season, SEO stylist
in this group Grace for Impact. Spoilers

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ahead. If you haven't seen the
whole series, now is the time to

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say goodbye. Remember you can contact
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find us on social media, share
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discussion. Spoilers in five four three
two ones. So let's talk about the

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costume change first of all in the
next episode, because these motherfuckers go from

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leather Daddy and mister Dandy to white
linen soldiers, like they look like they're

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at a SPA retreat. It's so
weird to see them outside of their like

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uniforms, almost especially black Beard,
Like he goes from black to white.

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It's crazy how clean he looks.
Doesn't he have to shave? At some

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point he chooses to shave, he
thinks he's and then he gets stood up

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at the altar. Basically, yeah, but yeah, I'm really excited for

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the next episode where we find out
like what the British try to do to

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them, and then how black Beard
knows the law and he's like, ah,

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we want to do this thing instead. And then Steve finds out he's

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declared dead. I can't believe they
don't let him just go right then and

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there, like, oh, you're
dead, you should just leave, but

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they let him go into prison or
whatever. Yeah. I love that is

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based on true events where they do
take the Act of Grace and there they

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stop pirating, and then of course
they go back to pirting again. Yeah.

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Yeah, I mean, of course, since we focused on Buttons on

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this episode, I just keep thinking
about him turning into that bird eventually.

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Yeah, it's pretty cool. Yeah, I don't think I have much else

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to throw in here. No,
I think this episode was a good vehicle

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to move forward in the plot,
and I'm excited to see the next one.

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I really wish that this show would
get picked up for a third season.

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It's like not going to happen,
though, it seems, even with

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all of the fan push. Yeah, yeah, definitely. I mean it

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wrapped up in a way that is
satisfying enough, like there's no big cliffhangers.

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Not that satisfying though, because you
want to see more there, and

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you know there's more. The creator
said there's more, and that's so not

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fair. Yeah, he said there's
plans for like a third and final season.

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Yeah, and so like, yeah, I mean, of course I

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want to see more. We had, like the whole the rest of the

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crew besides Steven Blackbeard, like sailing
out for more adventures, and I want

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to see like that dynamic or even
if they end up back on the boat,

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like let's see it. Like I
don't know, it's just like it

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sucks how TV and production doesn't take
into account like a massive fan following sometimes,

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like how many people have wanted Firefly
to come back? Right? Yeah.

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But I've also like I've heard creators
talk about like thousands of passionate fans

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don't equal like millions of actual viewers. So sometimes like, yeah, there's

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a really passionate fan base, but
it's not enough to have like the numbers

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that the networks need. I don't
know. I really applaud the like gumption

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of community moving forward with like the
help of Subway and shit like that,

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like they made it happen. Yeah, but yeah, who knows how many

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viewers they got, And then the
quality of the work maybe wasn't up to

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snuff at that point. I don't
know, though, I feel like the

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cast was more relaxed because they cart
rid of peers. But yeah, I

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don't know. I would I would
really love to see another season. But

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I'm excited for this season to be
done. I think the heartbreak is really

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hard to come back from, Like
broken black Beard is so hard to watch.

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Yeah, that's why I'm like a
little nervous almost about these next two

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episodes because I know it's gonna go
it's gonna get worse before it gets better.

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Yeah. Yeah, they have such
a whirlwind romance, and I think

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if it's not this next episode,
it's the one after where they finally kiss,

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and I don't know, it's just
like crazy the kiss. Like I

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said, we don't get a lot
of like male romance or any queer romance

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on mainstream media anymore, unless it's
like super whitewashed and sterilized, like I'm

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thinking of like Modern Family. How
we never see those two gay men interact

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in a queer loving way. It's
more like a parents who have to tolerate

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thing each other kind of way.
Right, So they don't kiss, they

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don't hug. They don't hold hands. It's it's weird. So I don't

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know. I have the tender moments, and I like how Taichi Taika Taika

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White t t he kind of understands
that character really well in a way that

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like he improvises and he like adds
to it in a way that's really genuine

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and like believable. Yeah. I
remember there's an interview on as one of

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those YouTube things like Wired or something
where they were Taka was saying that he

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tried to do a little research into
Blackbeard and it's like, basically, no

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one knows who the fuck this guy
was, so I'm just gonna make him

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my own. So yeah, I
mean, he just brought what he thought

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that character should be. Yeah.
Cool. Also, I didn't like that

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they called him Blackie. I was
really off study. That was odd.

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I didn't like it. That might
be like a weird New Zealand thing or

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something where the British because it wasn't
it British directors and writers. Yeah,

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yeah, I didn't like that.
All right, Well, let's get out

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of here, all right, take
care. Next episode will be active Grace,

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and thank you for sailing on the
revenge and don't get a hex put

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on you, or if you do, you know look out for Cannonball.

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