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It's time for coffee and company,
fueled by Thornton's on Sports Talk seven nine

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day. Now here's Nick Coffee.
I believe we've known the dates, and

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I mean we've known the Louisville I
mean all college football schedules, I feel

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like have been have been public,
you know, for a little while now.

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But we're slowly and surely starting to
get time television, network and whatnot.

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And Louisville will play Notre Dame on
September the twenty eighth at Notre Dame,

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big game once again. Notre Dame
expected to be a pretty good team,

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and it'll be on Peacock And I'm
just thinking ahead here as far as

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how many people are gonna wait till
three third on Saturday, September twenty eighth,

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then realize, wait a second,
the game's not on TV. It

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has gotten better. I mean I
think even like three four years ago,

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if you let someone know that,
yes, you can watch the game on

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your television, but like you need, it's going to be a stream thing.

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It's going to be on ESPN.
Plus, it's going to be on

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I think I used to call it
ESPN three. I mean you thought it

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meant people had to go out and
get a you know, a degree in

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like technology of some sorts to figure
that out. And now I think everybody

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realizes it's really not that difficult,
and honestly, I don't think it's that

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inconvenient. But what do I know. I've had a Roku. I feel,

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I don't want to say I was
like ahead of the curve. But

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when we moved, and I think
it was two thousand and seventeen, maybe

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that was when I had direct TV, and I love DirecTV, paid a

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lot of money for it, and
it was, you know, an expense

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that you know, I felt like, hey, I could we can't not

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have. I used to be scared
to death of relying on the Internet to

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watch TV because I guess I was
an old fart thinking well, that'll never

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work. And now that's how most
people consume content on television. So I

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thought to myself, Okay, look
either way, I want to get out

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of this direct TV thing, and
I'll try YouTube TV with a Roku and

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give it a shot, and if
not, I'll just go back to direct

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TV as a new customer and probably
get a cheaper rate. So I gave

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it a shot, and that's what
I've done ever since. So started with

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YouTube TV and they had a really
good initial price. Now it's become more

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expensive, but it's still worth it. And so for me, like I've

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had basically my television as it's like
my phone. There's apps there, right,

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You've got YouTube TV, you've got
ESPN, you've got Hulu, Netflix,

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Hbo. So it's become the norm
for me. So when I think

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of a game being on Peacock,
like I watched some Big Ten basketball this

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year on Peacock, and I don't
like, I'm not thinking, oh wow,

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got to go out of my way
to go find the game. Same

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thing with Amazon Prime when they had
Thursday Night Football last year. So I'm

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sure there are still some people that
use a direct TV, a dish or

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maybe even a spectrum. But a
lot of TVs are smart TVs now.

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I mean, in fact, are
all new TVs smart TVs? I don't

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know. I mean, is that
a dumb question? I'm not sure.

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I mean, I know you can
still have a TV that is not you

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know, a smart TV that has
Internet capability and Wi Fi and all that,

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but I feel like if you're manufacturing
TVs now in twenty twenty four,

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I feel like it would you know, for example, the TV that is

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in our living room, it is
a smart TV. We don't use it

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that way. We just connect the
Roku because it's easier. But at some

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point it will no longer be a
thing to where people are like, well,

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I gotta go wear it, de
fond it because I mean Peacock,

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I don't know what does it cost
per month? Let's see here. I'm

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sure question because I feel like,
I know, you say a lot of

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people mooch off of your alls stuff, but we mooch off of somebody else's

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peacock. That sounds dirty, but
it is what you mean, you mooching

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off somebody's peacock. John, don't
your parents listen to this show? Son?

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They do? Shout out to my
mother, so my father. So

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you can get Peacock premium with ads
at five to nine and out a month,

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and you also get some good content
on there too. Peacock's not one

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of my favorite streaming services, but
I don't know. I mean, everybody

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is different as far as what they
want to spend money on. But I

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already have these serve I already have
these streaming services, at least most of

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them, just because I you know, in fact, I don't need all

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of them. In fact, can't
remember the last time I watched anything on

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Peacock to be honest with you.
But you know, Hulu's gonna have I

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mean, Hulu's had live sports before
Amazon Prime already has. I feel like

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there's one I'm missing on that that
had, Like Netflix is gonna have live

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stuff. Netflix is gonna have live
NBA Christmas games. I believe did Sling.

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I don't know even know if people
are still you. I think Sling

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got bought by somebody. I think
I think direct TV. Yeah, I

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could be wrong here. I think
direct TV or I'm sorry, Dish Network.

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I believe owned Sling TV. Okay, and instead and because now all

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the other like for example, you
can get Spectrum or Direct TV on your

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Roku, meaning like you don't have
to have a dish. They sell a

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they sell a streaming service to where
you get their their you know, their

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service. But it's not with a
box and it's not with a satellite.

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It's with the stream like instead of
watching their you know, watching their television

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channels, they provide you know,
the old school way, you're doing it

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relying on your internet. So I
think because that was where they were heading

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instead. I mean, they probably
just killed Sling and made it to where

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you're now doing, you know,
Dish network stream whatever it's called, which

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I'm sure they came up with a
better name than that. But I remember

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back in like two thousand and eleven
twenty twelve, it wasn't very often,

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but you know, Louisville football would
have a game against like Fi you and

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Louisville basketball is at that point especially
rarely did you have any game that wasn't

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on television somewhere, but there'd be
the occasional one. That's and I just

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remember, you know, the fan
base collectively losing their minds because they just

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you know, it's not even just
older people that are lagging a little bit

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behind with technology. Is people that
were just like, wait, wait,

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I gotta do what And I'm like, you know, it's not that hard.

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But then again, I used to
say, it isn't that difficult.

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But then again, at that time, I literally was getting out my laptop

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and connecting an HDMI cable and you
know, just having to drag the browser

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over to the TV and expand to
go full screen like that wasn't really convenient.

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To be honest with you and to
see the way. You know,

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it's easy to do now. And
look, I know some people who stream

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on their phone, which is easier
to do. It's just you're on your

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phone. Like if you've got you
know, if you've got Peacock on your

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phone, that maybe you know,
easier for you to to to manage than

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you know, getting a Roku and
figuring out a smart TV to where you

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can act what do they call it? When you can scale? Like take

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this, what's the screen mirror?
Yes, you can mirror your phone to

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your TV. And I know a
lot of people that do that and that

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makes it to you know, but
again I feel like that actually would be

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more work to figuring out how to
mirror your phone to your TV than it

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would be to just you know,
sign up for Peacock on your computer or

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your phone and then download the app. But yeah, that'll be a big

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game and it will only be available
for you to watch if you have Peacock.

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So you've you know, you've got
many months now to figure that out

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if you want to make the investment. Uh, and and purchase the Peacock

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up prescription subscription. All right,
it is coffee and company. We are

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fueled by Thornton's here on Sports Talk
seven ninety. Appreciate you hanging out with

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us. We obviously have discussed the
big news today. It's another day where

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Louisville is nationally being discussed more so
than usual, and it's because a good

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thing happened. They decided to drop
the charges against Scottie Scheffler. That was

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what everybody expected whenever we found out
they were going to have at one o'clock

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today, which they did. Michael
kann All, the Jefferson County Attorney,

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was going to speak to the judge
about the case, and he decided to,

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you know, do exactly that and
drop the charges. I now tender

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to the court a motion at order
to dismiss all these charges in this case

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against mister Scheffler with prejudice. So
this is what needed to happen. But

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I'm telling you, any little update
that we have received since this incident occurred

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twelve days ago on that Friday morning, has made it more and more clear

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that this should have been avoided and
this didn't need to happen. And this,

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in my opinion, is just a
shoddy job by law enforcement, especially

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when you hear Scotti Scheffler doesn't mean
that like a mistake wasn't made, but

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it was a misunderstanding. The Jefferson
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in their defense, they they agree
that's why they've done what they've done.

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But initially it made it look as
if they weren't even willing to you know,

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like I just can't imagine what in
their investigation has changed to where they

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go from. You know, we're
not dropping the charges and we're going to

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actually fight that Steve Romans is trying
to get his client, who's the number

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one golf in the world, some
preferential treatment here, which wasn't even the

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case. I mean, that wasn't
true. So it's just it's a bad

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look all the way around. And
let's be real, LMPD, I don't

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think is you know, in position
to be continuously having these bad looks,

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these things that could be avoided where
people can point the finger from across the

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country and say, yeah, LMPD, Louisville Metropolite Department, Yeah, those

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guys, they're not you know,
And again, everybody has their there,

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everybody has their thoughts on law enforcement, and I think we can all agree

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maybe some of you don't. Like, we have really good cops in the

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city of Louisville, a lot of
them. I've met many of them.

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You know, my son, he
happens to be obsessed with firefighters and policemen

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and if he sees one out like
he's gonna walk up to it and just

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jaw on the floor looking like he
saw a superhero. And you know,

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they're always really kind to him.
And you know, we have good law

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enforcement here, but it just you
hate whenever's you know, one or maybe

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two. Because I think the guy
who talked to Scottie Scheffler that we heard

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earlier today for the first time,
that guy, I don't think he I

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don't think that was a good look
from him in anyway as far as how

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he handled it the way he I
mean, just not de escalating anything,

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which I thought is sort of what
you're supposed to do. I mean,

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who at that point thought they were
they were in danger? Like I mean,

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the the reaction from everybody other than
that one cop gillis that guy.

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They didn't. They didn't, they
didn't. It was completely calm from what

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we could see. So it just
should have been avoided. And I'm happy

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that that there's not going to be
any lawsuit, although I do think Scotti

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Schefler might have had might have had
some success if he wanted to pursue litigation,

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but obviously that would be bad for
Louisville, and it sounds like that's

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something he's not interested in, which
again, that's just that's something you probably

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hear from a defense attorney that just
wants to say the right things and continue

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to defend their client and make them
appear to be great, upstanding citizens.

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But knowing what we'd already knew about
Scotti Scheffler as far as his reputation and

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what people thought of him, and
then hearing him today from that video that

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I guess it was just audio that
became public for the first time as far

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as how he talked to law enforcement
after the fact, Like I kind of

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believe it's true that he's like,
yeah, I don't want to do it

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because hey, if we end up
winning a lawsuit, guess who pays for

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that. The City of Louisville,
the taxpayers. So here's Steve Romanz who

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has become quite the star here locally
just and I don't know if people realize

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this, but he's defended some folks
that were involved in some pretty serious charges,

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and he's had I mean, he's
a very I think there's some people

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maybe just getting their first introduction to
him, but he's got that great,

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that good, great Kentucky accent,
and he's good man. I know at

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one point he was doing I guess, just some legal commentary, some analysis

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stuff where I think it might have
been it might have been might have been

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CNN at some point, and I
don't know what led to that, but

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he, like, he's also been
a part of I guess I can't think

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of what the what the show is
called, but at times, like the

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true crime shows that feature different you
know, Storre, like, I guess

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at one point there was a the
defendant that he represented that was their crime

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or I guess their alleged crime was
a part of some series that that covered

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those kind of things, and Romans
was on it and he was. I

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mean, he's he's he's entertaining.
He's got a future in radio if he

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ever wants it, but I would
imagine practicing law probably is a better gig

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that pays a lot more. But
here is him discussing the decision not to

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have any litigation. Here, lawsuits
are paid by the taxpayers. He prevails

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in civil litigation against LMPD, who
pays that taxpayers of Louisville. He doesn't

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wish the taxpayers to Louisville of Louisville
to pay him for whatever occurred. So

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what made this a felony charge to
where no matter what, Hey, he's

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going to jail because this happened.
Was the the you know, the assault

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on a police officer where he was
accused of dragging the cop ten to fifteen

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yards. And I guess I can't
see that. I'm surprised, but I

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think what I you know, what
stood out to me today more than anything

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was that they have witnesses that both
Romans and the county attorney have spoken to

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that that confirmed they that did not
happen like that I guess was just a

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lie was made up. There are
multiple eyewitnesses to the incident, the actual

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initial contact that I've spoken with,
I have statements from that the county spoke

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the prosecutor's office have spoken with that
confirm that he was not dragged. You

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believe they would have dismissed this case
if he was dragged, No, they

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would not have that did not happen, So you gotta wonder if something comes

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Talk seven ninety. It was a couple

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of weeks ago we were discussing the
Bronnie James NBA draft. I guess buzz

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and I'm not even really sure if
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mean, he is one of the
most talked about. In fact, he

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is the most talked about player in
this draft, isn't he. I mean,

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this is a week draft. There's
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superstar. I mean, who knows, Maybe one of these guys does end

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up turning into like a really really
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mean, I think even legitimate college
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telling you a lot about who's projected
to go in the top ten. There's

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a foreign guy number one, Zachary
riasheer not familiar with him. The number

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two pick apparently is going to be
Alexander Sar who is an overtime elite guy

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who is originally from Australia. Number
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Cody Williams number four. I bet
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that is. He was a freshman
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knows. The number five is Read
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That's a guy who also went the
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I night was, you know,
should have been a freshman this past

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year but went to Glee were out
instead. Stefan Castle. I mean,

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I think you know of him because
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mean, I don't think he's like
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Rob Dillingham number eight, Donovan Klingon
number nine to the Yukon big Man,

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and then Ron Holland number ten.
That is the NBA Draft dot Net's

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top ten mock draft as of right
now. Ron Holland, by the way,

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another guy who ended up going to
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college. So it's a really weak
draft, and it makes me feel even

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more confident in saying that. For
obvious reasons that have nothing to do with

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his game or his potential, Bronnie
James is the most talked about guy in

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this draft, and as we discussed
a couple weeks ago, this reminds me

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of the rare TMZ type situation in
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and about where he may end up
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what Lebron would end up doing,
Like would he end up trying to opt

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out of his contract to go play
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being. You know, I mean, it's an interesting conversation just because regardless

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if you think that he's worthy of
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he's going to be drafted, and
that there may be teams who would never

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say it, but they, I
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be doing. They're drafting Bronni to
potentially get Lebron, And even if they

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know Lebron's on the back end of
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worth a draft pick, you would
have ticket sales merchandise sales, notre I

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mean, hell, Lebron, no
matter who Lebron plays for, that's all

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they're going to talk about on those
round table ESPN shows. And some franchises

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may say, look, what are
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in the West. Why not see
if something, you know, see if

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we have some success and maybe we
make the playoffs and oh, by the

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way, there'll be more attention on
this franchise than maybe ever because Lebron and

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his son are playing for us.
So this may sound crazy, but what

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if whoever has the number one pick
kind of does what they did back when

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they drafted Anthony Bennett number one and
does the unthinkable And maybe it's not that

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unthinkable, but drafts Brownie James number
one. I'm not saying that will happen,

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but you draw that kind of reaction
similar to when Anthony Bennett went,

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Yeah, it is wild to think
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one draft, I mean some are
saying that, well, don't be so

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hard on Brownie. It's a week
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getting so much buzz, Like,
don't insult me. That has nothing to

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do with it. It is a
week draft, but like you know,

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like because there's no viewed, can't
miss prospect, like crazy things have happened,

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maybe the Hawks say, look the
help. Well, you know with

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the Hawks, like what are we
gonna do? We're getting rid of Trey

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Young. He wants out and this
is you know, this will give the

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Hawks more notoriety than they've ever had. But it's just you know, the

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latest on his NBA situation is that
he has now declined workouts with eight NBA

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teams and he's only now going to
visit and work out with two the Lakers

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and UH and the Suns. And
this is a man who averaged four points

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and two rebounds a game last year
for a bad USC team that is turning

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down workouts for NBA teams. I
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confirms that it's a TMZ type sports
story, which I hate. Look,

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at the end of the day,
sports is entertainment, So I understand,

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like, you know, that's what
really does drive viewership. I mean,

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you want to see a competitive game
that you you know will be entertaining,

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but a lot of the off the
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the entertainment that you get from you
know, all the other shenanigans within

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sports, it matters. But like
Deon Sanders is the other example I can

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think of. Deon Sanders can continue
to be Deon Sanders and do Deon Sanders

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things and speak and he's great at
that, by the way, He's really

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good at it. And he can
keep talking a big game about you know,

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we'll come and get your players.
You know, we're going to be

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in the college football Playoff. It's
not it's not an expectation, it's the

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stand and whatever. His you know, big talk was about Colorado in year

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two making the playoff. Like he
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new where close to making it happen, and he is still going to be

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one of the most talked about figures
within college basketball. Bronnie James. I

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feel like he'll stay in the NBA
as long as he wants because, you

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know, and maybe the NBA eventually
will realize like there's just no there's no

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you know, there's no benefit.
And in fact, like if he's still

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around in the NBA in five years
and Lebron is not playing anymore because he's

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retired, what's the benefit of having
Lebron or what's the Lebron's son, Like

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there's no benefit. In fact,
you look foolish, like people are probably

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clowning you, and they're probably already
doing it now just because it's a crazy

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thing to do. But again,
like it's business and that type of situation,

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that arrangement where you decide, hey, we don't know how good we're

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going to be, but I know
what kind of attention we would get.

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And by the way, Lebron is
Lebron, Like, no matter what team

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he's on, there are millions upon
millions of fans of his that will be

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a fan of that team, and
that helps you as a franchise from a

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business standpoint financially. So like it
seems silly, but like it's a it'll

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make your money and that matters.
But I want to criticize Lebron because I'm

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like, you know, you're not
really helping your son. But I don't

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really I don't really know what I
could criticize him for. I mean,

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maybe he should have advised him to
go back to college and not really have

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to, you know, be talked
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now, people are like, wow, it's crazy Lebron's son, who you

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know, isn't good is likely going
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his dad. But also if I'm
Lebron, like, he probably knows that

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the longer that his son plays in
college, the more obvious it'll be that

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he's probably not good enough to be
an NBA player. He's not a bum,

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but I mean he's I mean he's
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time at USC who wasn't very good. So I don't really know if I

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was Lebron, which I can't imagine
that wouldn't want to imagine that. I

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mean, obviously you could be a
lot. I mean, Lebron's a very

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successful human. I'm just saying,
like, I don't I wouldn't be able

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to relate to someone of that status. But being super famous and having a

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kid who wanted to follow in your
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come true for you as a parent
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you're not proud, you'd be,
But Lebron, who I'm sure is proud,

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does he have the self awareness?
He doesn't. He doesn't have any

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of that to know that, Like, dude, your your son's not really

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earning anything in the NBA. He's
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But like not because you did anything
wrong, It's because you're Lebron James.

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And I do remember one of my
favorite quotes from Lebron. This was when

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Broni was like a freshman in high
school. You know that he he made

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he wish people would just leave him
alone. He's a kid. We don't

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want to talk about any recruitment.
I'm trying to I'm trying everything I can

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to let him have a normal life. And you know, I'm thinking,

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well, you know, naming your
son Lebron James Junior's probably not a great

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decision if that's what you wanted him
to live, you know, a life

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outside of the spotlight, which that
was never going to happen, especially if

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he plays basketball. But you know
quite clear, I mean they call him

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Bronni because you know he's the he's
the I guess that's the the younger way

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to say it. But I'm fascinated
by it. I don't think you know,

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we're going to see Bronnie James turn
into some NBA star. Here's what's

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likely going to happen. He'll probably
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right because I don't know, I
mean, I don't get the sense Lebron

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wants to, you know, Lebron
wants to, you know, leave LA.

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I think he likes it there.
But yeah, I mean, I'm

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trying to see where they pick,
because that would actually be the best case

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scenario for Bronny is if like the
Lakers use their last pick in the second

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round on him. Because it's not
as if you know, I mean that,

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I mean again, it's still quite
clear they're doing it because of his

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dad. And maybe some would say, hey, this guy shouldn't be able

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to make a draft pick for us, but like he's Lebron, he can't.

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He's you know. And where it's
really gonna get interesting is once Lebron

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retires. He's been very very vocal
about this. He wants to own an

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NBA franchise in Las Vegas. I
would imagine the next city that gets an

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NBA team will be Las Vegas,
and it'll probably be when expansion happens,

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and Lebron wants to be the owner. I don't think he can play while

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being the owner. But if he's
the owner, you know, Bronni James

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is going to play in the NBA
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So I know, I don't really
know who to blame for this,

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because it's an I guess I just
blame the way you know, the news

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cycle works now, right, because
it gets a lot of numbers. That's

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why they talk about it. That's
why it was a humongous discussion on Cowhard

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earlier today. But I mean,
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have a hard time thinking, like
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But then again, I just spent
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my show, so you know.
But I'm watching like highlights from USC Draft

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Express put together, like some highlights
from a workout he did, and like,

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you know, he looks like a
mid major college basketball player, which

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is nothing wrong with that. That's
that's something you should be If that's you,

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that's something you should be really proud
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probably gonna end up going to the
NBA and be a draft pick, I

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mean, I'll put it this way. If you are a borderline draftable guy

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with no eligibility left and you're like
it, you know, you're if you're

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gonna get drafted. It's going to
be in spot like between fifty and sixty

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the end of the draft, and
like Lebron's son gets one of those spots,

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that's got to piss you off.
Right, here's an earn you up

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becus thought, at least from me
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Trace Jackson Davis got drafted very late
last year. He had a wonderful

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rookie season. Imagine if that gets
switched around with this season and Browning takes

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one of those last spots, maybe
Trace Jackson Davis isn't even in the league

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right now. Yeah, and you
know, I'm sure they'll have a calculated

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answer for it. But like when
the GMS and the coaches make like they

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make comments and have a press conference
following a draft to discuss like, I

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mean, what are they going to
say, we've been really eyeballing this young

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man at USC a lot of talent
who knew turned out is dad works for

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us? What a small world?
Like, don't sell us on what you

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mean they're going to But like he's
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Like, that's just what it is, all right, Let's get to a

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quick time. We'll come back here
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someone making their debut here on Coffee
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Reap Physical Therapy. We'll chat with
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now have a guest making her debut today.

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It is Miss Susan Dunn who joins
us from pro Reap Physical Therapy.

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How we doing, Susan, I'm
doing fantastic. How are you doing?

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I'm doing great. I know you
were very busy doing things much more important

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than this, so I do appreciate
you you making time for us. But

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I've learned a lot about physical therapy
over the years talking to doctor Benn's and

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doctor McElroy, and I understand you
specialize in pelvic health. And Eric let

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me know that the month of May
is pelvic health Month, and I guess

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I'll just start with what's that when
it comes to tree patients first. I

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know you can you can discuss sort
of what types of patients you typically see.

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But is this one of those things
where if someone does in fact need

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they you know, they need physical
therapy for this, it's something they're kind

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of learning about at that time,
meaning they weren't even aware that this was,

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that this existed. Oh, we
hear it all the time. People

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have no idea that pelvic physical therapy
is even a thing, but it is

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extremely common, so common that we
actually have two of the pro reup locations

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dedicated one hundred percent to just treating
public patients. And then we also have

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some satellite locations as well. So
it affects men, it affects women,

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it affects kids. We have a
pediatric program anybody that has a pelvis the

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LBGTQ plus community. So when I
first started as a physical therapist, to

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be honest, I didn't even know
that this exists really, And yeah,

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I got introduced to it because I
had a passion for sports medicine and at

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that particular time, my interest was
strong for or the female athlete, and

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you can't work with a bunch of
female athletes and not run across pelvic issues,

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and I don't know how to treat
them. So found out about this

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training did it. This is many
many, many years ago and totally changed

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the trajectory of my career. And
so for the last quarter century, that's

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pretty much all I see all day
long is public patients of all sorts and

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kinds. So anything that can go
wrong anywhere else in the athletic body or

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even just the pedestrian body that you
don't even have to be an athlete,

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can go wrong in the public area. You can tear muscles, you can

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strain them, you can have nerve
pain, you can break the pelvic bones,

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you name it, we treat it
in the pelvic area. You mentioned,

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there's you know, various you know
you mentioned men, children, women.

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I mean, it's very common.
But is there one type of patient

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that is maybe the reason they're there
seeing you guys to get help is because

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of one specific thing that is maybe
more common than others. Well, I

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mean probably the most common thing that
we'll be seen as in the female population

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because of childbirth and trauma that happens
to that and so that's probably what people

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know more about. But I'll tell
you what I get really passionate talking about

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is male pelvic because it gets overlooked
a lot because women, you know,

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have the babies and deal with all
that. We set a lot of attention

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and medical care in that direction when
I first started treating pelvic patients, the

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male pelvic patients, you know,
And let me be clear because this is

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really important for the listeners to hear
this because sometimes they're too embarrassed to seek

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help because the pain that they're describing
may not be like growin pain or something

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like that. It's very specific,
so they may and the male patients have

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a testicular pain or anal pain or
tip of the penis type of pain.

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And these are all very common referred
pain patterns that we see that I have

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nothing to do with the viscera,
with the genitalia, but is actually related

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to the nerve and the muscle,
and it's very treatable. So male patients

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a lot of times would be screened
by you know, the urologists and their

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primary care. But you know,
there's nothing wrong with the bladder, there's

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nothing wrong with any of the genitalia, and so it wasn't an automatic thing

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to have those patients referred athlete or
not referred to physical therapy. So I

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think women will get the referral more
often than the male patients will. But

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it's so so important for patients to
know that if they clear all of the

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the bladder, the women, the
uterus, the ovaries for men, the

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testicles, and you've had the ultrasounds
and you've had everything, and you go

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out to play that round of golf, and after golf you can't urinate,

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or you're having pain with sexual function
or this sharp stabbing pain that's going up

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into your growing and no one knows
what it is. Well, you might

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want to see a public therapist.
I mean that sounds very, very scary,

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and yes, I can imagine most
men would. It wouldn't be something

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they'd be super comfortable dealing with unless
they got to a point where they felt

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like they had to. I could
be wrong here, but I and this

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kind of goes back to my first
question. I imagine there's probably a lot

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of men who you know, obviously
don't want to be going through what they're

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going through, but there's a sense
of relief knowing that, hey, this

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is exactly the type of help I
need to kind of get this figured out.

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And again they're probably learning that it
even exists at that point, right

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right, And I will say when
you have a physician or PA or a

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nurse practitioner and they are trying to
get the patient to go to public physical

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therapy a lot of times and please
feel free to call any of our career

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reac clinics, especially our pelvic ones, that people have questions, but a

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lot of times they're like, what
the heck are they going to do?

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I can imagine people have questions.
Yeah, and if people have questions like

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that, feel free to call because
we can we can explain it and put

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you at ease over the over the
phone. But yeah, it's physical therapy.

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We're treating muscle, bone, or
nerve, joint, you know,

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disorder. The way we do the
exams, of course, they're going to

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be different than the way that we
would do a shoulder or a knee exam,

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but all of it is we make
the patient comfortable and modest. Our

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public clinics are set up with private
treatment rooms, and so we do everything

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to make sure that the patient is
comfortable. But in the athletic world,

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pelvic dysfunction is extremely common. And
certain sports, the obvious ones like cyclists,

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you'll hear about that and what they
have to deal with with sitting in

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the saddle and sometimes nerve damage or
things like that. But there's other sports

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that you wouldn't even expect that would
you know, bring up pelvic pain and

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symptoms. So yeah, and I
mean it's also and it's you don't have

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to be an athlete. Sure plenty
of people that aren't athletes as well.

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So I'm sure there's a lot of
effort being put in from your industry to

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to let physicians know, Hey,
you know you should consider when it comes

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to the men's side, you know, we should get more referrals because this

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could be something that I mean,
with it growing the way that it is,

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I'm sure there's things you guys are
doing to try to make it clear,

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Hey, don't be afraid to refer
them. We may be able to

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help them and you know, change
their life, right right, Oh exactly,

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Yes, skilled public physical therapist is
going to be able to tell on

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the initial evaluation if this is due
to a muscular scletol, just like we

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would with any other body part.
We'll be able to do that differential diagnosis,

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and and and for a lot of
patients they don't. They can directly

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refer themselves to physical therapy. They
don't always need a doctor's referral. And

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so I don't think people off and
thing to even put that on their radar

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that if they're not getting answers maybe
to see a public therapist. You hear

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that, folks, if you're somebody
that maybe has had an issue that you're

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00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:12.840
you're you've not got clarity on what
it could be, KEP pro rehab in

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mind, because they could they could
help you and joining us is Susan done

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from Prairie have physical therapy. One
more question I had for you when it

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comes to treating younger patients is in
I know every and every everybody that needs

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physical therapy for different reasons. You
know, you never know what could have

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led to them getting there to need
it. But with younger younger folks,

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is there something a little more common
that you see more often that has led

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to you treating a younger patient?
Well younger, I mean we see patients

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in the pediatric program that go all
the way down into ages you know,

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five to ten. And then we
also have teenagers, and then you know,

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of every age and the diagnos is
really different. Now when we get

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into the little younger, little younger
people, it tends not to be sports.

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When we get a little bit older
with the is into middle school and

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high school. Then I'll be honest, we've actually seen pretty much any sport

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that has any cutting, so soccer
or basketball or anything like that. Yet

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you certainly are it's an invitation to
having some public dysfunction, not to make

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anybody nervous about playing any of the
sports at all, But if any of

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those problems arise, and then some
of it is just poor training, you

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know, maybe they don't have the
best whatever school system they're in, they

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00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:35.480
don't have the best of trainers or
people working with them, and so how

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they do their core work crunches,
sit ups or some of that. If

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00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:45.719
it's if it's overdone, overtrained,
or maybe not with the best direction,

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00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:52.519
then you can get the younger athlete
that can. Then it'll manifests further down

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from the abdomen as pubvic symptoms.
So and I mean literally we see patients

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of all ages, all ages with
this. I lied one more question because

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I thought to myself, if it
was me and someone you know, finally

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figured out that I needed to seek
help from program physical therapy with pelvic health

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and physical therapy that in that lane, I would be scared too, because

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I would think, oh goodness,
what does that mean? Is it going

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00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:22.320
to be uncomfortable? Is it going
to be awkward. I'm sure you guys

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look forward to hearing from those folks
because you can put them at ease and

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00:38:25.360 --> 00:38:28.039
let them know, Hey, we're
here to help. We're going to make

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this as smooth as as we possibly
can. So what I guess is that

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message to folks that may be scared, right, I mean, you don't

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have to get into the specifics,
but I can certainly relate to that.

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I would be very worried too if
I knew nothing about it, and you

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know, I would just be uncomfortable. Oh yeah, I mean, I

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00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:46.000
don't blame me. I'll be honest. When I went from my training,

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I remember thinking, I don't even
know what I'm getting myself into here,

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00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:52.960
and I was worried that me as
a clinician, was going to be uncomfortable

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with the whole pros And so I
totally get that. You're human, You're

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right, Gods, Yeah, So
here's what I can tell you is that

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we don't do anything that the patients
don't want us to do. Yes,

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is pelvic exam part of our training, Yes, it is. Do we

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00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:13.960
always have to do that? No, we don't. There's a lot that

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we can discern without that. We'll
explain if we think it's a good idea.

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But if a patient, especially now
our younger patients, we definitely aren't

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doing any of that type of thing. But we have other tools in the

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clinic that we can use that well, to be honest, that will allow

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people to keep clothes on. So
we want the patient to feel comfortable.

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And in all the years, the
thousands of patients that I've seen in my

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career, I is a number one
mission that the patient feels comfortable at ease,

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00:39:44.960 --> 00:39:47.840
that we answer all their questions,
that they understand, you know whatever

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00:39:47.920 --> 00:39:52.159
exams, and then no one is
talked in anything that they don't want to

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do. So we've had a lot
of tools in our toolbox, and then

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we try to treat each patient as
an individual. So and if anybody truly

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has questions, I can't tell you
how many those phone calls that I've taken

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over the years where I'm sure.
I'm just getting on the phone with them

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and answer the questions and put them
in these before they even come in for

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the first appointment. So and all
the clinicians are like that. It's just

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00:40:17.119 --> 00:40:22.760
an amazing team that I work with. I'm very blessed. Well, we

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00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:24.440
appreciate you making time for us.
I know you're very busy. I really

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enjoyed the conversation, very informative stuff, and hopefully we can catch up with

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00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:31.840
you again. Susan. Thanks Nick, I appreciate it all right, you

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have a great day. Take care. That's Susan done again from Proria Physical

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Therapy. Some good stuff there.
I like learning on this show, right,

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I like learning. I learned a
lot there, and we certainly appreciate

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her and our friends over at Proria
Physical Therapy. We got another hour to

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go and a lot more to get
into, so stick with us right here

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on Sports Talk seven ninety