WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.000 --> 00:00:13.880 Yo, somebody talks TV new meddle add a strong style fab Son, you're 2 00:00:14.039 --> 00:00:18.640 gonna ring the ball water you go over the top like talking about Slone. 3 00:00:20.199 --> 00:00:24.079 It's the laps fan man number one in the ring. Forget about Osada with 4 00:00:24.239 --> 00:00:27.719 a real king of swing when the bell goes hang and the kick like men 5 00:00:28.120 --> 00:00:32.240 throon in the corner with its rash like stick. Even Jerry King and sake 6 00:00:32.320 --> 00:00:36.280 off the crowd nodded in his head like a Teve low Brown were getting low 7 00:00:36.399 --> 00:00:39.719 down, goat even higher, flipping you on your head. But you're no 8 00:00:39.920 --> 00:00:44.719 cool driver sitting morenage and dragon spits fire. Give you more shot than when 9 00:00:44.719 --> 00:00:49.000 their tree tires dropping more truth than the con of sniper. Bless you with 10 00:00:49.119 --> 00:00:54.280 a coconut Roddy Piper jacking JP he like j y d drop the cupcakes and 11 00:00:54.320 --> 00:00:58.200 got the brain. Bove means the best podcast from the start to close. 12 00:00:58.280 --> 00:01:03.400 Cloud If y'all benefit this flass about time as we look out onto sunny shores 13 00:01:03.519 --> 00:01:08.799 and deep humidity. Boss, are you ready yes? If you love the 14 00:01:08.920 --> 00:01:14.120 sun? I hate summer. I hate it. I hate it, okay 15 00:01:14.159 --> 00:01:17.159 more than any summer. What a bummer thing. It's it's the worst. 16 00:01:17.319 --> 00:01:23.359 It's so it's so hot. I I you know, like the my daily 17 00:01:23.439 --> 00:01:29.560 schedule is completely thrown out the window. It's it's miserable. It's the worst, 18 00:01:29.840 --> 00:01:34.400 Like I got no time to do anything because I'm driving everywhere and going 19 00:01:34.439 --> 00:01:41.040 to fucking you know, low end theme parks and shit like that. It's 20 00:01:41.120 --> 00:01:44.519 so true, like people act like summer is a time of leisure, and 21 00:01:44.560 --> 00:01:47.400 I guess if you have enough money, it is. But for the most 22 00:01:47.480 --> 00:01:49.799 part, for most of us, yeah, if you got enough money that 23 00:01:49.840 --> 00:01:52.480 you don't have to take your kids with you and you have them like in 24 00:01:52.599 --> 00:01:55.799 a kennel, right for for for a couple of weeks. Yeah, it's 25 00:01:55.799 --> 00:01:59.079 a vacation, right, or you have somebody who has their own house and 26 00:01:59.120 --> 00:02:02.040 the property take care of the kids and white polos or whatever. But for 27 00:02:02.159 --> 00:02:07.719 most of us it is twelve times yes, the packed schedule it is. 28 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:12.000 It's summer. What the fuck are you doing about it? It's summer. 29 00:02:12.280 --> 00:02:15.000 Are you gonna make it worth it? Are you gonna make it picturesque? 30 00:02:15.080 --> 00:02:16.560 Or are you just gonna sit in the ac like some kind of loser. 31 00:02:16.680 --> 00:02:22.439 Right, that's I'll ac loser, right, And that's where that's where we 32 00:02:22.560 --> 00:02:24.759 naturally want to go, but Summer says, no, you suck. If 33 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:29.280 you do that, get out there and suffer, right, Get out there 34 00:02:29.360 --> 00:02:32.360 and suffer. No, and do it in a tank top please? Yeah, 35 00:02:32.439 --> 00:02:35.919 right, exactly. And there are a lot of things I love about 36 00:02:35.919 --> 00:02:38.520 Summer, but I know it's a trigger word for you, so I hate 37 00:02:38.560 --> 00:02:43.400 it. This is our Summer twenty twenty four mail bag, folks, plenty 38 00:02:43.479 --> 00:02:46.800 of mail and feedback from the best listenership in all of podcasting. It's been 39 00:02:46.879 --> 00:02:51.240 piling up as we've been casting pretty long and pretty hard about all manner of 40 00:02:51.319 --> 00:02:53.560 subjects. The random draws, if you will, in terms of the shows 41 00:02:53.599 --> 00:02:59.039 we've been picking, have taken us on some and I've seen some question as 42 00:02:59.080 --> 00:03:04.639 to how the like how if they're truly random? They are truly random, 43 00:03:05.120 --> 00:03:07.120 I swear to God random. The question is, if we wanted to have 44 00:03:07.199 --> 00:03:10.280 this kind of serendipity, we just wouldn't draw the shows at random. We 45 00:03:10.400 --> 00:03:15.560 just put whatever shows we wanted to exactly why the pretense of pretending to do 46 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:19.599 a draw. If we want to pick the shows, we still sit in 47 00:03:19.680 --> 00:03:24.719 control, yes, but it's it's it's been remarkable how how much alignment there 48 00:03:24.759 --> 00:03:29.439 has been with what is sort of you know, in the air, in 49 00:03:29.520 --> 00:03:32.080 the atmosphere, in the wrestling discourse. At the same time, we pick 50 00:03:32.080 --> 00:03:36.479 a show like Agreed at the tail end at the four part Vice WCW series, 51 00:03:36.520 --> 00:03:40.479 and it's like this is this is really strange. And of course, 52 00:03:40.520 --> 00:03:43.319 as we announced at the tail end of the show, if we haven't made 53 00:03:43.319 --> 00:03:46.199 it all the way through greed yet living dangerously two thousand ECW style with dusty 54 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:52.599 roads still squarely, it's great in focus somehow some way coming next. Fucking 55 00:03:53.120 --> 00:03:55.919 keep me, keep me happy. Yeah, I think it wasn't too long 56 00:03:55.960 --> 00:04:00.319 ago that I insisted you add ECW to that little hat you have. It 57 00:04:00.520 --> 00:04:05.960 wasn't even awesome. It wasn't an insistence. It was just a you mentioned 58 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:08.840 it, and I was like, all right, and I guess I should 59 00:04:08.919 --> 00:04:13.400 do that. And now I regret it. So we're going to keep doing 60 00:04:13.439 --> 00:04:15.000 this the paye. It will continue a pace. It's working really well, 61 00:04:15.360 --> 00:04:19.079 but we are no, no, we are starting to feel that itch to 62 00:04:19.160 --> 00:04:23.839 bring back the traditional hopper. It's it's starting to present itself. Will it 63 00:04:23.959 --> 00:04:26.920 spread? How quickly will it spread? Well? We need calamine lotion. 64 00:04:27.079 --> 00:04:30.600 Those things still to be determined. Here to be determined, but keep your 65 00:04:31.399 --> 00:04:34.879 keep your hand on your wallets, okay, because the time might come when 66 00:04:34.920 --> 00:04:39.639 we're done just you know, drawing names ourselves and it's time to go back 67 00:04:39.639 --> 00:04:43.000 to the Solar System and get them in the spot because it's been too long. 68 00:04:43.439 --> 00:04:46.600 And in that spirit, here on the Feedback Show, we're going to 69 00:04:46.639 --> 00:04:48.879 mix it up a bit. It's not just going to be your written letters 70 00:04:49.160 --> 00:04:53.519 via of course Patreon and the lapsed fan at gmail dot com. How about 71 00:04:53.560 --> 00:04:58.279 some real time feedback? How about it? The heavyweight Champion of TLF Solar 72 00:04:58.360 --> 00:05:02.920 System members, Tom is back in the spot because Tom started corresponding with us 73 00:05:02.959 --> 00:05:10.360 as we rolled out our TLF tackles who killed WCW series and goddamn did he 74 00:05:10.519 --> 00:05:13.120 have some shit to say And we tuched some of it in Tom and we 75 00:05:13.199 --> 00:05:16.480 talked a little bit about it. But I just want a table whatever you've 76 00:05:16.519 --> 00:05:19.839 got on your mind, because there's really a lot to think about now that 77 00:05:19.920 --> 00:05:23.680 that series is in the books and everyone's had their say and had their crack 78 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:27.639 and we've done the interviews and stuff and did greed. Where are you at? 79 00:05:27.720 --> 00:05:31.319 What do you feel needs to be said holistically about this? This resurgence 80 00:05:31.319 --> 00:05:36.639 of discussion about WCW's demise. Yeah, thanks for having me. First of 81 00:05:36.680 --> 00:05:43.319 all, I really do appreciate. This is really annoyed me in a weird 82 00:05:43.360 --> 00:05:46.240 way, Like I think part of it is this is kind of righting my 83 00:05:46.279 --> 00:05:49.040 wheelhouse and then my backgrounds in history. It's been twenty four years or whatever, 84 00:05:49.079 --> 00:05:51.439 twenty three years since the end of WCW, so you can actually start 85 00:05:51.480 --> 00:05:57.160 to talk about these things historically. I've worked in the TV and film business 86 00:05:57.160 --> 00:05:59.680 for a long time, and I really do think this is a TV story 87 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:03.040 in the end, and beyond that, you can also, as you know, 88 00:06:03.160 --> 00:06:06.160 as the stuff becomes like longer than two, you can start to revise 89 00:06:06.360 --> 00:06:11.279 history. And I think there's a lot of revisionism going on about like the 90 00:06:11.360 --> 00:06:15.000 death of w CW and especially sort of like this push that I think and 91 00:06:15.319 --> 00:06:17.600 I don't. I think the show is actually pretty good. I think that 92 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:23.560 there's been some sort of like there's almost like real time revision going on about 93 00:06:23.560 --> 00:06:25.120 the show, because I think people are like, oh, I thought you 94 00:06:25.199 --> 00:06:28.079 were going to come to some real conclusion or have some sort of you know, 95 00:06:28.199 --> 00:06:30.079 big reveal at the end of the fourth episode, like Seagull was gonna 96 00:06:30.079 --> 00:06:32.079 be like, yeah, it was me all along, or like sort of 97 00:06:32.160 --> 00:06:36.240 in a Vince way, Can I stop you there? Because this is becoming 98 00:06:36.279 --> 00:06:42.000 a real pet peeve of mine. On documentaries, It's never going to happen. 99 00:06:42.959 --> 00:06:45.800 You're never going to get that, with the exception of whatever that show 100 00:06:45.959 --> 00:06:47.439 was, and god damn it, I always forget the HBO series with the 101 00:06:47.519 --> 00:06:51.600 murderer at the end who walks into the other walks into in the bathroom that 102 00:06:51.680 --> 00:06:56.360 he killed or or whatever. Right right, that has what you're looking for, 103 00:06:56.800 --> 00:07:00.279 But most people that seem to want this out of shows didn't see that. 104 00:07:00.920 --> 00:07:03.800 The thing is, I feel like, you know, if you know, 105 00:07:03.879 --> 00:07:09.360 if I what what has happened? I feel I feel like is that 106 00:07:10.040 --> 00:07:17.800 which the James there? Yeah, there have been there have been a number 107 00:07:17.879 --> 00:07:24.759 of different you know, documentary forms of media. I say that what you 108 00:07:24.879 --> 00:07:30.480 just talked about, as well as like that initial season of of what the 109 00:07:30.560 --> 00:07:34.560 fuck is the show? Serial? You know where they have and even there's 110 00:07:34.600 --> 00:07:39.240 this show this this this true crime podcast that my wife and I listened to 111 00:07:39.439 --> 00:07:42.480 on a on a long drive one time that was like, you know, 112 00:07:42.639 --> 00:07:46.480 there was some kind of you know change, it caused some kind of change. 113 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:50.199 That ship's rare. It's so rare. And the thing is the reason 114 00:07:50.279 --> 00:07:56.279 why they become so popular is because they're rare because something this like in the 115 00:07:56.399 --> 00:08:01.759 midst of millions of documentaries that are produced on a on thousands of subjects, 116 00:08:01.199 --> 00:08:11.199 this one actually came to a true conclusion, whereas most documentaries, unless you're 117 00:08:11.240 --> 00:08:13.560 doing some kind of historical one, they don't come to a new conclusion because 118 00:08:15.920 --> 00:08:20.120 you know, the likelihood of that is is very very rare. The story 119 00:08:20.199 --> 00:08:24.759 is being you know, revisited, it's not being reinvestigated, right, and 120 00:08:24.879 --> 00:08:30.360 that that's but there seems to be like this appetite for documentaries to have a 121 00:08:30.439 --> 00:08:33.480 twist ending, like of course a non documentary film, Well, now that 122 00:08:33.559 --> 00:08:37.559 you've done it, now that you've now that that people now that it's actually 123 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:41.159 happened, you know, now people like you need to do that. You 124 00:08:41.320 --> 00:08:46.039 need to have some sort of history cloaking down or some kind of weird closure 125 00:08:46.159 --> 00:08:50.960 at the end that that that you know, remained satisfying, which it isn't. 126 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:56.639 You know, It's it's annoying to me because it's people running away from 127 00:08:56.679 --> 00:09:03.320 the fact that life is never that satisfactory in terms of the explanations. Of 128 00:09:03.320 --> 00:09:05.080 course, no matter if we know this that that that's a testament to the 129 00:09:05.159 --> 00:09:09.519 length of our catalog. Like no matter how how many hours we spend and 130 00:09:09.600 --> 00:09:13.000 how many rocks we overturn, and how diligent you can be about answering the 131 00:09:13.120 --> 00:09:18.080 unanswerable questions. You know, it's it is not a failure if you don't 132 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:22.519 satisfy your own hopes and dreams as to what really is going on in a 133 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:26.279 situation. You know, people start rooting for outcomes. That's true. Yeah, 134 00:09:26.360 --> 00:09:30.440 absolutely, And I think that that this was a really like to be 135 00:09:30.519 --> 00:09:33.639 honest, like, if you want a fairly enjoyable I don't know, three 136 00:09:33.679 --> 00:09:37.559 and a half four hour oral history of the last days of w CW, 137 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:41.399 watch the Vice Show. It's pretty good, like I mean in that regard, 138 00:09:41.559 --> 00:09:45.840 you know, and I think that the thing is is that it also 139 00:09:45.919 --> 00:09:50.519 but there are limits of oral history too, Like everybody there has an agenda. 140 00:09:50.759 --> 00:09:52.679 There's only so many as you know, was gone over over and over 141 00:09:52.679 --> 00:09:58.559 again in through your interviews. There's only so many minutes that they can cut 142 00:09:58.639 --> 00:10:01.120 together, you know, how long long as nash on that you're seventeen minutes 143 00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:03.399 and most, which is a lot by the way, if you're if you're 144 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:05.960 you know, over three and a half hours. But it's like we're not 145 00:10:07.080 --> 00:10:09.840 gonna get not enough, of course you're not, you know, like, 146 00:10:11.639 --> 00:10:13.919 but I will say with that said, and I know it's like everybody accuses 147 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:18.039 me constantly of sort of kissing your guys ass. This is not this is 148 00:10:18.120 --> 00:10:24.519 not hard. Let's do it well. But look, there is the death 149 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:28.080 of w CW is in the archives. You can go to I dis I 150 00:10:28.159 --> 00:10:33.200 did over the as the this you know developed or went over the last few 151 00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:39.720 weeks, I've been listening to all the WCW episodes from basically Hogan on in 152 00:10:39.919 --> 00:10:48.440 order and if once you get past starkad ninety seven and like how the nWo 153 00:10:48.440 --> 00:10:50.600 should have ended and all the stuff that you guys did there, once you 154 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:56.600 get into ninety eight, you can get a pretty good sense of how WCW 155 00:10:56.840 --> 00:11:01.360 died totally by one. And you guys are trying and look, advice, 156 00:11:01.360 --> 00:11:05.320 advice can't do this. This is like hours and hours and hundreds of hours 157 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:11.720 of podcasting right to try and triangulate all these different sources, all the lies 158 00:11:11.759 --> 00:11:13.919 that these people have told and be like, all right, well here you're 159 00:11:13.960 --> 00:11:16.960 saying this, But here you're saying this, and now you're saying that Meltzer's 160 00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:20.840 an idiot. But here you're talking to Meltzer and giving him your whole plan. 161 00:11:20.080 --> 00:11:22.919 So which is it? You know what I mean? Like, you 162 00:11:22.960 --> 00:11:28.000 guys are triangulating all this stuff, and I think Greed, funnily enough, 163 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:33.399 really actually brought some conclusions that I had not I you know, I had 164 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:39.879 not thought of before into the light. I e. I think that WCW, 165 00:11:39.720 --> 00:11:45.279 the entity died, not the television show Nitro. That's different. The 166 00:11:45.559 --> 00:11:54.000 ENTITYWW died in those last two months when Eric could not communicate to the people 167 00:11:54.320 --> 00:11:58.080 at Turner that he had to deal with that he had an actual plan to 168 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:01.919 relaunch this show. I think that that was the where that was, honestly, 169 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:09.679 the final death knell happens between January when they signed that agreement in March 170 00:12:09.159 --> 00:12:11.879 when they're like, holy shit, I don't think this guy has a plan 171 00:12:13.279 --> 00:12:16.480 and I don't necessarily trust that there's enough money here for them to keep this 172 00:12:16.639 --> 00:12:20.399 going. And as part of this deal, part of the insanity of this 173 00:12:20.519 --> 00:12:26.840 deal, we are giving over to this company ten years of guaranteed programming on 174 00:12:26.919 --> 00:12:31.120 Wednesday Night that has nothing. By the way, that that contract did not 175 00:12:31.320 --> 00:12:35.639 specify wrestling. They could put anything they wanted there. That's what Brian Dala 176 00:12:35.679 --> 00:12:39.480 said. Yep. Yeah, So if that dies, if WCW dies in 177 00:12:39.519 --> 00:12:43.399 two years and Badal could be like, hey, we're gonna put this thing 178 00:12:43.480 --> 00:12:46.320 that we're developing, this you got to put it on. I mean, 179 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:48.919 he could have done whatever he wanted till twenty eleven, you know what I 180 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:52.200 mean. So I think that when you put it in that context, and 181 00:12:52.480 --> 00:12:56.440 that was really done with greed, Like I think that you guys really got 182 00:12:56.600 --> 00:13:01.679 even more than the last night. There was other stuff that came out and 183 00:13:01.679 --> 00:13:05.919 greed and sort of the interviews around the last episode and stuff where I was 184 00:13:05.960 --> 00:13:09.840 like, oh, that's interesting that the entity itself and I'm not this is 185 00:13:09.919 --> 00:13:13.879 not really blaming Bischoff. It's like, this is just but I just don't 186 00:13:13.960 --> 00:13:20.279 think. I think, honestly, the level that Bischoff is put on is 187 00:13:20.320 --> 00:13:26.320 that he was actually a competitor to Vince mcmam. And we can make fun 188 00:13:26.399 --> 00:13:30.639 like Vince was not a competitor to Ted Turner, that joke that like he 189 00:13:30.799 --> 00:13:33.759 was like competing with Turner, but he also was not competing with Eric. 190 00:13:33.039 --> 00:13:39.679 He wasn't. Eric was a show runner of a show that was fairly successful 191 00:13:39.440 --> 00:13:45.240 for three years and then was not successful in his last year as the showrunner 192 00:13:45.440 --> 00:13:48.840 of the show. Like most show in the history of television, right exactly, 193 00:13:48.159 --> 00:13:52.759 And if you'd taken into Accounty show, every show that got canceled but 194 00:13:52.960 --> 00:13:58.480 was a hit at one point has the exact same story. That's WW It's 195 00:13:58.480 --> 00:14:03.200 no different than television, Joe, exactly, every television show. I don't 196 00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:07.919 understand why wcw' and I've said that is not treated as a wholly owned television 197 00:14:09.039 --> 00:14:15.279 production company by Turner Vince McMahon's WWE, which he I think Vince understood from 198 00:14:15.320 --> 00:14:18.919 nineteen eighty five on, from after the MTV debacle and trying to find and 199 00:14:18.960 --> 00:14:22.799 then when he makes the deal with NBC and stuff, I think that he 200 00:14:24.039 --> 00:14:28.759 understood that at its heart, yes, he was a wrestling company, sure, 201 00:14:28.840 --> 00:14:31.559 and he had the merchandise and house shows, et cetera. But at 202 00:14:31.639 --> 00:14:37.159 its heart, when he went national, he was an independent television production company 203 00:14:37.360 --> 00:14:41.639 and he was selling his television show. And to this day, to this 204 00:14:41.919 --> 00:14:45.639 even though they are now you know, owned by different a different ents, 205 00:14:45.679 --> 00:14:50.480 t they are selling their television property. And yeah, the money's different. 206 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:54.639 I e. Now all their money is guaranteed money, and back then they 207 00:14:54.679 --> 00:14:58.279 weren't really getting paid a lot of money to produce the television show. They 208 00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:01.000 were, you know, doing the fifty to fifty deal with advertising, et 209 00:15:01.080 --> 00:15:07.039 cetera. But in the end, that's what Vince understood and Eric never did 210 00:15:07.480 --> 00:15:09.799 period. And I think that that's the real story here, is that these 211 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:15.000 are just television companies. They're different, and that's it. Like I mean, 212 00:15:15.039 --> 00:15:18.399 it sounds like I know that we want to make wrestling. That sound 213 00:15:18.480 --> 00:15:22.200 like wrestling is different. But in the end, it's from an executive standpoint, 214 00:15:22.519 --> 00:15:24.320 and I believe me, I've felt with a lot of television executives. 215 00:15:24.360 --> 00:15:28.559 I don't exactly love a lot of them. However, with that said, 216 00:15:28.519 --> 00:15:33.080 I can understand where they are coming from here. In every way, there 217 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:39.720 is no world where you could possibly argue the WCW should have been on the 218 00:15:39.799 --> 00:15:43.720 air past nineteen ninety three, and then when it was saved by Turner, 219 00:15:43.919 --> 00:15:48.039 fine, But when there's Turner's not there and so you don't have an executive 220 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:52.000 who's in your corner, there's no world where you can keep WCW on the 221 00:15:52.039 --> 00:15:56.679 air legitimately into two thousand. You just can't. The ratings are really falling 222 00:15:56.759 --> 00:16:02.879 off and there's no money there. And I think that part of my issue 223 00:16:02.919 --> 00:16:04.240 with all this is it comes back to like two things. It's like and 224 00:16:04.399 --> 00:16:11.159 and sort of howes cable television worked, I think is like an important thing 225 00:16:11.200 --> 00:16:18.039 to understand in nineties television. Nineties cable television, obviously, commercials were still 226 00:16:18.120 --> 00:16:22.559 the most important way selling. Advertising was still the number one way in which 227 00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:26.480 these channels made money. And so that's where you get the comments about the 228 00:16:26.559 --> 00:16:30.159 demo and all that BS and the and hey, the demo absolutely mattered. 229 00:16:30.360 --> 00:16:33.480 Then. It doesn't matter as much as it does now, but it did 230 00:16:33.600 --> 00:16:38.600 matter a tremendous amount then for sure. And the demo they were getting the 231 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:44.720 demo fairly well. However, if you look at when WWF was getting super 232 00:16:44.799 --> 00:16:48.600 hot, well, who was their main advertisers. Let's say Snickers, the 233 00:16:49.240 --> 00:16:55.120 Stride, step ware, d Yeah, these types of things. It wasn't, 234 00:16:55.240 --> 00:16:59.600 you know, it wasn't. They were not getting high end luxury items 235 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:03.799 cars, mid level clothing like mall clothing at the time, Gap and Anna 236 00:17:03.799 --> 00:17:08.559 Republic, et cetera, Old Navy even they weren't getting those orange juice, 237 00:17:08.680 --> 00:17:11.400 Like orange juice is huge, Like orange juice is considered a luxury item. 238 00:17:11.400 --> 00:17:15.279 So if you can get orange juice to advertise in your you know, to 239 00:17:15.359 --> 00:17:18.680 buy thirty seconds during your show, that's considered a good thing. Well, 240 00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:21.039 to be fair, I mean, Kevinak told us this, they did try 241 00:17:21.079 --> 00:17:29.960 to get oj that's true. But the with that, like, but the 242 00:17:30.079 --> 00:17:32.400 other way that they made money and how they started making a lot of money 243 00:17:32.440 --> 00:17:36.079 and what became the most important thing by the time, like TNA was around, 244 00:17:37.400 --> 00:17:41.920 was carriage fees. So yes, that's paying you to have their exactly 245 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:47.319 to be able to add Yeah, and that's where the rating whatever it is, 246 00:17:47.440 --> 00:17:51.240 how many people are watching is the only thing that matters. I e. 247 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:55.640 If three million people are watching and three million of them are over fifty 248 00:17:55.720 --> 00:17:59.279 five, they don't care. They're paying more for that because they want to 249 00:17:59.359 --> 00:18:03.720 know that those people will remain subscribed to cable and that's really all it. 250 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:10.640 So that's you know, they pronounce path the day there is cable company, 251 00:18:11.599 --> 00:18:14.400 right, So in other words, like you know that that's why in the 252 00:18:14.599 --> 00:18:18.200 seventies eighties, Turner's one of them, there were these multimillionaires made in local 253 00:18:18.279 --> 00:18:22.519 cable because there's this proposition all of a sudden where it's like, wait a 254 00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:26.160 minute, yeah, we do have to pay TNT a carriage fee to be 255 00:18:26.200 --> 00:18:30.039 able to carry their signal, but we can charge people so much more for 256 00:18:30.160 --> 00:18:32.599 cable than we have to pay. Yes, yes, yes, sorry, 257 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:36.359 And you start bundling all that together and giving people no choice but to buy 258 00:18:36.400 --> 00:18:37.480 the whole bundle. If you want an ESPN, you need a million other 259 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:40.920 channels you're never gonna watch, And people, for their whole lives have wondered, 260 00:18:40.920 --> 00:18:42.240 why the fuck do I have all these channels that I don't want and 261 00:18:42.279 --> 00:18:47.839 why that's why carriage fees, carriage fees, carriage fees. Everyone wants a 262 00:18:47.880 --> 00:18:52.720 taste, and it's like, you know they're carriage fees exploded in the two 263 00:18:52.720 --> 00:18:55.640 thousands, Like that's really and that's why you got like you went from having 264 00:18:55.960 --> 00:19:00.559 sixty seventy eighty channels in nineteen ninety nine to five hundred channels by two thousand 265 00:19:00.599 --> 00:19:03.960 and six because cable companilies were just willing to pay anybody that put content together. 266 00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:07.559 Because you could argue that even if it's an extremely limited audience, it's 267 00:19:07.640 --> 00:19:12.680 the kind of audience that will stay subscribed to cable and so let's to matter. 268 00:19:12.759 --> 00:19:15.640 And again that's to this day when people will be like, oh, 269 00:19:15.759 --> 00:19:19.480 the majority of the people that watch Raw fifty years old or fifty five, 270 00:19:19.519 --> 00:19:22.960 whatever it is, it does not matter to them from a carriage for USA. 271 00:19:23.599 --> 00:19:27.440 For the reason why USA was like, oh fuck, we're losing Raw 272 00:19:27.559 --> 00:19:33.759 while we're buying spacked out because to them it's worth it because they could not 273 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:38.279 lose wrestling. That's really one of the few things left that people watch on 274 00:19:38.640 --> 00:19:45.400 USA on traditional on traditional cable consistently and therefore and they can still get their 275 00:19:45.440 --> 00:19:48.119 carriage fee, which has been cut in half. I mean even you know 276 00:19:48.200 --> 00:19:52.039 all the whenever you don't have a channel, all of a sudden, it's 277 00:19:52.039 --> 00:19:55.640 a it's a negotiation about carriage fees. Right when you see the Crawler. 278 00:19:55.680 --> 00:19:59.519 When you see the Crawler, like DirecTV is going to stop carrying this local 279 00:19:59.559 --> 00:20:00.960 affiliate, or you're not going to be able to see the NFL this year, 280 00:20:02.279 --> 00:20:04.440 that's all that is. That's we want to pay we want to pay 281 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:07.519 less. The cable company wants to pay the provider less than they used to 282 00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:12.400 for the programming, and the person who provides the programming has to tell themselves 283 00:20:12.440 --> 00:20:15.079 that it's worth as much, if not more than it ever has been worth. 284 00:20:15.359 --> 00:20:18.640 So they go to the mat every time, and they always make up 285 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:21.799 in the end, because the cable company or the satellite company is going to 286 00:20:21.880 --> 00:20:25.720 lose a hell of a lot more if they actually don't carry the NFL, 287 00:20:25.839 --> 00:20:30.720 for instance, or actually don't carry fuck your local news. So and the 288 00:20:30.799 --> 00:20:33.359 content provider knows that. So it's just a game of chicken, you know, 289 00:20:33.400 --> 00:20:34.559 it's just like where's this going to come out in the wash? We 290 00:20:34.680 --> 00:20:37.920 both have to pretend we can't afford it. We both have to pretend we're 291 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:42.119 insulted by the offer. We both have to mobilize the customer to get all 292 00:20:42.519 --> 00:20:45.799 paranoid and scared that they're going to lose this channel. But in the end, 293 00:20:47.119 --> 00:20:48.240 you're going to lose a whole hell of a lot more if you actually 294 00:20:48.400 --> 00:20:53.920 effectuate the severing of that tie. Then if you have been tripped again, 295 00:20:55.839 --> 00:21:00.759 indeed, yes, and with that like a good example, that is like 296 00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:04.799 Verizon dropped Access TV, so like t and that's why they've and a lot 297 00:21:04.839 --> 00:21:07.440 of channels are a lot of cable priders, I should say, did if 298 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:11.839 I've dropped Access TV over the last two years, and that's why they've thrown 299 00:21:11.000 --> 00:21:15.240 TNA onto the app, like their weekly show is now on the app, 300 00:21:15.559 --> 00:21:21.920 in part because Access TV highest rating thing was in fact, what was New 301 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:27.039 Japan really, but it was wrestling that they couldn't sell adverts off of TNA 302 00:21:27.400 --> 00:21:30.880 and New Japan that we're getting one hundred and fifty thou two hundred thousand viewers 303 00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:36.480 that well, and they wanted twenty eight cents per customer, and Verizon was 304 00:21:36.480 --> 00:21:38.400 like, we'll give you twenty two cents per customer, and they were like, 305 00:21:38.480 --> 00:21:41.039 no, no, we can't know twenty eight and they were like, 306 00:21:41.240 --> 00:21:45.000 no, that's our final offer. And in fact, because you didn't take 307 00:21:45.039 --> 00:21:48.880 it, will just drop you. And no one is complaining that they don't 308 00:21:48.920 --> 00:21:52.559 have Access TV because they're like, Okay, what do I lose here? 309 00:21:52.640 --> 00:21:55.599 I lose some movies that I can now get on demand all the time, 310 00:21:56.240 --> 00:21:59.160 and I lose you know, wrestling, and that's about it, you know 311 00:21:59.200 --> 00:22:00.960 what I mean. So if I'm not in one, not one of the 312 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:06.119 very few. And that's why where from a carriage fee standpoint, your total 313 00:22:06.240 --> 00:22:11.200 number matters a lot, and then wrestling it matters tremendously because in the end, 314 00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:17.240 no matter how many times, like they would talk about like Raw or 315 00:22:17.279 --> 00:22:22.519 sorry SmackDown, I should say one Friday nights often for Fox won the demo 316 00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:27.799 won the total viewership, et cetera. If they wasn't sports on, they 317 00:22:27.880 --> 00:22:32.839 pretty much were winning that. However, they got canceled. Let's be find 318 00:22:32.880 --> 00:22:34.480 as you said the last time, actually, Jack, they got canceled. 319 00:22:34.720 --> 00:22:37.759 They didn't get you know, oh no they're dropped. No, no, 320 00:22:37.880 --> 00:22:41.599 they got canceled. They got canceled because they because Fox doesn't get any carriage 321 00:22:41.640 --> 00:22:48.160 fees and cannot sell advertising based And it's not just that people don't watch other 322 00:22:48.240 --> 00:22:51.640 stuff that watch wrestling, and they don't get carriage fees because they're a network 323 00:22:51.759 --> 00:22:55.799 broadcast over their network, right their network exactly their network out broadcast over the 324 00:22:55.839 --> 00:22:57.559 air, so they can't get carriage fees for it. So to be honest, 325 00:22:57.599 --> 00:23:00.319 like the day they would talk about how wins the Backdown was on Fox 326 00:23:00.359 --> 00:23:03.440 Sports one, the number would be pretty bad. In fact, aw was 327 00:23:03.480 --> 00:23:06.720 beating them a lot of times when it would go to Fox Sports one. 328 00:23:07.079 --> 00:23:11.319 However, the carriage fee, they would get a carriage fee for that week 329 00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:15.359 that they covered it, and because Fox Sport which one, didn't have anything 330 00:23:15.400 --> 00:23:18.480 that seven hundred thousand people were watching, they would argue that if we put 331 00:23:18.559 --> 00:23:22.319 it on four times a year, you got to give us a bump of 332 00:23:22.440 --> 00:23:26.480 this amount of sense because it is sense per customer to have that four times 333 00:23:26.480 --> 00:23:29.720 a year, and we'll give it to you. We'll guarantee you four times 334 00:23:29.759 --> 00:23:33.759 a year that if you you know, if you give us three more cents 335 00:23:33.880 --> 00:23:37.400 per customer, and they did because Fox Sports one has a few other things 336 00:23:37.440 --> 00:23:42.200 that people actually watch, and one night every three months they'll have wrestling that'll 337 00:23:42.319 --> 00:23:45.400 jump up to seven hundred thousand people. So it's like so it's a real 338 00:23:45.519 --> 00:23:49.000 and so cable system can say, okay, like, well, we'll pay 339 00:23:49.079 --> 00:23:53.920 Fox Sports one three cents for every customer that subscribes to us, subscribes to 340 00:23:55.000 --> 00:23:57.519 cable through us. And part of what makes that worth it is that four 341 00:23:57.599 --> 00:24:00.599 times a year, the people that have us for cable are going to be 342 00:24:00.640 --> 00:24:04.039 able to watch SmackDown. That's part right, And they'll come over to us, 343 00:24:04.079 --> 00:24:07.279 and they'll come over to us, they'll remember the Fox Sports and what 344 00:24:07.400 --> 00:24:10.400 they'll do, if you notice, they'll do a lot of local they'll do 345 00:24:10.480 --> 00:24:15.599 a lot of they'll do a lot of advertising for whatever they actually have on 346 00:24:15.680 --> 00:24:18.279 their network during those nights. They're not going to sell it. It's not 347 00:24:18.400 --> 00:24:21.920 worth it to them to sell. It's always been the Achilles heel of wrestling. 348 00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:25.160 The Achilles heel of wrestling is that even if it's the top rated show 349 00:24:25.200 --> 00:24:26.720 on cable, which it was through the Attitude era and those salad days of 350 00:24:26.839 --> 00:24:30.559 wcws talked about in the documentary, even if they're top on cable, they 351 00:24:30.599 --> 00:24:33.839 were made number one on cable with the USA and Raw. They get to 352 00:24:33.960 --> 00:24:37.000 your point in the tail end there or several of Fridays where there was no 353 00:24:37.279 --> 00:24:41.440 competing sports, they could be the number one show on Friday night primetime and 354 00:24:41.480 --> 00:24:45.119 all of television, all television. You can advertise every single show on Fox 355 00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:49.680 that you have during SmackDown, you can advertise every single show burn notice all 356 00:24:49.720 --> 00:24:56.359 that shit on USA during Raw wrestling. Fans don't give a fuck about these 357 00:24:56.440 --> 00:25:00.680 shows. They don't give a fuck. It's not like selling Seinfeld during NFL 358 00:25:00.759 --> 00:25:03.680 and it makes it worth the bajillion dollars you have to pay the NFL or 359 00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:11.240 whoever the huge network hits over the years have been sold off of sports exactly. 360 00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:15.279 Yeah, And I think that that's and so in this period that we're 361 00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:18.640 talking about, right at the end of WCW's commercials were still adverts. Selling 362 00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:22.039 average was still the most important part for cable for all television, but with 363 00:25:22.160 --> 00:25:26.839 cable two carriage fees had not exploded as they did a few years later they 364 00:25:26.880 --> 00:25:30.920 were about to. And I think that's there's a couple of things that I 365 00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:36.839 think when you look at the number that WCW sold for one of the things 366 00:25:36.880 --> 00:25:40.759 to remember that people kind of gloss over. They're like, how could it 367 00:25:40.799 --> 00:25:42.119 go for like nothing? It's like, well, let's try to remember what 368 00:25:42.200 --> 00:25:45.640 people were buying at that moment. They're like, oh, but they were 369 00:25:45.680 --> 00:25:48.599 buying all the IP. Vince had bought up all this other IP before and 370 00:25:48.680 --> 00:25:52.119 he couldn't take any advantage of it. And there was no way that you 371 00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:56.559 could start a WCW channel in two thousand or two thousand and one and think 372 00:25:56.599 --> 00:25:59.920 that anyone was going to watch the old stuff. They weren't go look at 373 00:26:00.160 --> 00:26:03.960 time they would have the best of WTW on. During those periods, no 374 00:26:04.079 --> 00:26:08.319 one watched. They got some of the worst ratings in cable and so there 375 00:26:08.400 --> 00:26:12.039 was no way to kind of like monetize that stuff. And we're at a 376 00:26:12.079 --> 00:26:15.319 point two. This is a little bit off track, but it ties into 377 00:26:15.359 --> 00:26:21.039 the same thing where yes, DVDs are about to explode, but they aren't 378 00:26:21.039 --> 00:26:25.519 exploding in March of two thousand and one. The highest DVD selling DVD player 379 00:26:26.079 --> 00:26:29.759 in two thousand and one is the PlayStation and you can't get your hand the 380 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:33.000 PlayStation two. You can't get your hands on a PlayStation two. If you 381 00:26:33.079 --> 00:26:36.480 remember, I'm sure you guys remember, at that time was very difficult to 382 00:26:36.599 --> 00:26:41.799 find PlayStation two's that was considered not only the best DVD player at that moment 383 00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:45.000 that you could buy commercial DVD player, it was also the hardest to get 384 00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:47.759 a hands of, and it was the most it was the most installer base. 385 00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:52.960 DVDs don't explode until two thousand and three. They peak in two thousand 386 00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:56.000 and four and sort of plateau over the next course in the next five years 387 00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:59.680 where they're selling an unbelievable amount, but until about the end of two thousand 388 00:26:59.680 --> 00:27:04.799 and eight, Just like video business, it's exactly exact trajectory and you can't 389 00:27:04.880 --> 00:27:11.200 so no one at WCW or at Turner, at that moment is going to 390 00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:14.400 be like, oh, yeah, we got to hold onto the IP because 391 00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:18.160 eventually we're gonna be able to sell these you know, old WCW shows for 392 00:27:18.319 --> 00:27:21.759 nine dollars a pop or twenty dollars a pop if it's a Star Kade or 393 00:27:21.799 --> 00:27:23.680 whatever, and people are gonna buy it. They can't. They're not thinking 394 00:27:23.720 --> 00:27:26.079 in that way, like, oh, the IP itself was like you'll hear 395 00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:30.519 like Flair be like I would have gotten five million dollars together, and what 396 00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:33.279 would you have bought? You would have bought nothing. No one had any 397 00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:37.599 interest in what they were Like, there weren't. I don't think there's this 398 00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:41.640 huge line of buyers for this entity. At that point. It was really 399 00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:45.480 really really damaged goods. And you could say it was damaged goods because of 400 00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:49.599 the Turner exact. I'm fine with that, but at least admit that the 401 00:27:49.759 --> 00:27:55.519 number of the time, while still probably really too low, probably wasn't that 402 00:27:55.839 --> 00:27:59.319 low compared to everything else at that time, because it was very hard to 403 00:27:59.359 --> 00:28:03.839 figure out who the hell was gonna monetize this because no one What were you 404 00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:06.480 gonna do? Were you to sell figures based on when you had no show? 405 00:28:06.559 --> 00:28:08.960 What were you gonna do. There was nothing to it. So I 406 00:28:10.039 --> 00:28:15.079 think that that's like another issue that goes along with this, like the moment. 407 00:28:15.279 --> 00:28:18.799 With this moment, there was just no You couldn't sell advertising on it. 408 00:28:18.279 --> 00:28:22.200 And at that point the numbers had dropped so much that the carriage fees 409 00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:27.720 weren't worth anything. You couldn't go so turn then think of Turner versus USA. 410 00:28:27.839 --> 00:28:33.079 Even T and T had first run movies and as you were pointing out 411 00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:36.559 when you were doing the ratings of their first run movies on Turner did really 412 00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:38.759 well, extremely well. People for you know, think of it is like 413 00:28:38.880 --> 00:28:45.200 this way is like DVDs were the time when people started really buying huge collections 414 00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:48.039 of movies, right, I mean I don't know. I probably owned a 415 00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:52.160 bunch of VHS's, but not like twenty movies on VHS, thirty movies. 416 00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:56.400 I didn't own like hundreds of DVDs, which eventually I did. That wasn't 417 00:28:56.440 --> 00:28:59.119 a thing. So you were still rental market and if you weren't renting the 418 00:28:59.200 --> 00:29:02.559 movie, you were waiting until it came out on TV. And Turner had 419 00:29:02.599 --> 00:29:07.119 stuff that the networks weren't showing. They were literally showing the first time that 420 00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:11.559 you could see it besides PayTV, HBO, et cetera was on Turner, 421 00:29:11.720 --> 00:29:15.319 so they had that, and they also had the MBA, which was doing 422 00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:21.960 worse ratings admittedly game to game than Nitro, but a hotter property. During 423 00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:26.599 the Jordan years, they could they could sell much higher end advertising off of 424 00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:32.000 And yeah, they could go and get a good carriage fee based on just 425 00:29:32.079 --> 00:29:34.880 being in business with what at that point was Michael Jordan. That was who. 426 00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:37.839 They weren't in business with David Stern or whatever they were in business. 427 00:29:38.440 --> 00:29:41.359 They could argue that they were in business with Michael Jordan, who was very, 428 00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:48.960 very hot. So those they already they had really good programming that was 429 00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:53.359 not WCW. So the idea that they were like, Okay, there's this 430 00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:57.640 entity that we have and we've owned it, it's just a it's just another 431 00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:02.759 show to them, and and the show can be canceled. And so yeah, 432 00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:06.799 selling w CW is a different matter for sure, and who they sold 433 00:30:06.839 --> 00:30:10.759 it to different matter for sure. And Yeah, as a wrestling fan or 434 00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:15.240 whatever, I would have loved had WCW to continue to exist in some form 435 00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:19.640 or come back in some form, not under Vince's ownership, because you know, 436 00:30:19.880 --> 00:30:25.640 not under the monopoly. However, looking at it from a television business 437 00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:29.200 standpoint, at that point, there's no world that you could justify keeping it 438 00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:32.480 just none. It just didn't There was no value in it at all, 439 00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:34.960 and there hadn't been for a while. And I think two of the things 440 00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:38.440 that like, really I'm you know, and please feel free to cut me 441 00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:41.359 off at any time. But you know, two of the things that really 442 00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:45.960 like frustrated me were just these ideas that it was like, creative, you 443 00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:48.480 know, is subjective. It's like, no, shit, creative is subjective. 444 00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:52.160 Of course, it's subjective, like, but the creative was not suggest 445 00:30:52.279 --> 00:30:56.720 like I think the outcome, the outcome is objective. Did anyone give a 446 00:30:56.759 --> 00:30:59.559 shit? Did anyone give a shit? No? No, No one gave 447 00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:04.519 a shit about your angles. They Randon Tartakoff, who ran NBC in the 448 00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:11.680 eighties and who was always annoyed about Saturday Night's made event at a I saw 449 00:31:11.799 --> 00:31:15.440 this recently that a USC before he passed away, he was at a USC, 450 00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:18.559 you know, giving a USC talk and they were saying, oh, 451 00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:22.599 you know, while you had all these hot hip shows, you were doing 452 00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:26.799 Saved by the Bell, and you were doing Saturday Nights made event and all 453 00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:29.400 this stuff, and he was like, hey, you know, he's like 454 00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:32.319 look, he's like hey, in the end, the number is the number. 455 00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:34.160 And that's what he was saying, is that as long as the Saturday 456 00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:37.680 Night's made event, as long as saved by the Bell, as long as 457 00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:44.680 the shows that he didn't necessarily love on his network were hot, we're getting 458 00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:48.039 we're drawing the number to justify them. They stayed on the air period. 459 00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:52.200 It didn't matter whether he liked them or not. That's why that's why ww 460 00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:55.680 was so strong in the portfolio at a time when they had no support in 461 00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:57.960 the corporate chain. Yet you know, Nitro just kept going, Yeah, 462 00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:00.920 Bretziegel got it line. They played that clip of him on c Span or 463 00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:05.279 whatever talking, you know, really defending wrestling in front of an audience or 464 00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:10.039 an auditorium or whatever, of laughing television executives laughing at him because he's he 465 00:32:10.039 --> 00:32:15.519 has no choice but to position wrestling favorably, because without those those numbers at 466 00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:17.240 that time, he ain't shit, you know, he ain't shit in cable 467 00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:21.880 JP. It reminds me a little bit of other shows where it's like, 468 00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:25.759 you know, Seagull decries on on the series. You know how how pathological 469 00:32:25.799 --> 00:32:30.480 the wrestlers are and how sort of unmanageable the cast of characters there were WCW 470 00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:32.680 were from a you know, it almost like a talent relations standpoint. But 471 00:32:32.960 --> 00:32:36.400 that's every TV show, right. It becomes a hit, and eventually the 472 00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:39.279 stars become total head cases at the negotiating table. It's yeah, it's no 473 00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:44.000 different. I mean, you know, there are so few there are so 474 00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:46.960 few, uh, I mean, because it comes around, here's the thing, 475 00:32:47.079 --> 00:32:53.079 it's such a it's funny. I'm actually I'm actually reading a significant amount 476 00:32:53.079 --> 00:32:59.640 about this actually in preparation for next cinemat believe it or not, because it 477 00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:07.880 all comes down to value and how somebody perceives their own value versus how somebody 478 00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:09.720 else, you know. And and then but but the problem is it becomes 479 00:33:10.119 --> 00:33:15.799 a clusterfuck because then you know, the producers want to want to do the 480 00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:17.880 power play, or the executives want to do a power play, and like, 481 00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:22.240 you know what, I can fucking do this show with nobody. You 482 00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:25.440 know, I don't have to have you on there. They know that they 483 00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:30.000 know they know better, and try it again, and they try it again 484 00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:32.200 with with complete unknowns. Who nobody cares about. And then it's a fucking 485 00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:36.880 it's a ship show, KUEEWI, there you go, shit show. Nobody 486 00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:39.640 knows Ellen. Ellen Poppio has ABC by the balls. It's simple. You're 487 00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:43.440 not going to replace her and still have Grays and Abby You shut the fuck 488 00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:46.000 no. I mean that's the thing, like you you there comes that moment 489 00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:53.400 where where an actor or performer or whatever realizes their worth and does the producer 490 00:33:54.240 --> 00:34:02.279 executive whoever recognize and and agree that that worth is is substantiated? Like you 491 00:34:02.359 --> 00:34:07.599 know what, it's it all comes down to Hogan versus Vince. Every single 492 00:34:07.679 --> 00:34:13.360 fucking, every single fucking you know, any any kind of of of of 493 00:34:13.719 --> 00:34:17.880 of battle between you know, between performer or and and executive comes down to 494 00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:23.320 who created who? Did Hogan create Vince or did Vince create Hogan? You 495 00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:28.079 know that kind of tht. Jay Z once said, everyone's saying they made 496 00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:30.719 me, Okay, then make another me. That's right. If that's the 497 00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:35.119 case, where's the next one? Yeah? And you guys, you know 498 00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:37.880 point out really well throughout the thing is, it's so much of what people 499 00:34:38.039 --> 00:34:43.320 wanted to see. And again, I give Bishoff's a lot of credit for 500 00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:47.639 that was Hogan they wanted after a time where they obviously in ninety four ninety 501 00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:52.599 five didn't necessarily want to see Hogan. Hogan's kind of having a breakdown over 502 00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:54.039 the fact that they might not want to see Hogan anymore, but they also 503 00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:57.400 don't really want to see wrestling. It's not like they want to see Brett. 504 00:34:57.519 --> 00:34:59.559 It's not like they want to see Nash, it's not like they want 505 00:34:59.559 --> 00:35:02.599 to see Sean. They don't want to They're out, and all of a 506 00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:07.559 sudden, Hogan turns heel and they want to see Hogan again. And it's 507 00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:14.480 not DX or Kent, Nash and Hall or all the other bss now given 508 00:35:14.519 --> 00:35:15.199 as like, oh no, that's what was hot. No, no, 509 00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:22.679 no, what was hot was Hollywood Hulk Hogan, and he was hot through 510 00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:24.760 and then Sting kind of was hot as sort of the foil to him, 511 00:35:25.159 --> 00:35:30.360 and people were watching, and he was hot through ninety seven early into ninety 512 00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:34.599 eight, and then all of a sudden end of ninety seven early ninety eight, 513 00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:37.599 people started to look and there was someone else they wanted to see, 514 00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:42.400 Stone Cold, Steve Austin. That's it. That was the star, and 515 00:35:42.519 --> 00:35:45.719 Vince didn't have that for years. You guys have talked about it. JP's 516 00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:47.719 talked about it ad infinitum, trying to find where's the next Hog, Who's 517 00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:52.320 my next Hogan, what's the next Hogan? Whatever? From ninety two to 518 00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:58.239 ninety eight, Vince is essentially on this long, insane search for Hulk Hogan, 519 00:35:58.719 --> 00:36:04.519 and his Hulk Hogan is Steve Austin period and that became and in the 520 00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:08.079 end, what's what I find really interesting is that Siegel talks about how he's 521 00:36:08.119 --> 00:36:10.599 like, I asked them what's next? They didn't have an answer, and 522 00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:14.320 they get so mad about this. I mean, that's the entire job. 523 00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:17.679 Every pitch that I'm in, every meeting that I've ever had, is like 524 00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:22.199 what else do you I could go in for one thing and they're like, 525 00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:23.679 what else do you have? Every day you have to ask, you have 526 00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:27.079 to be able to answer that, and you might really not know. I 527 00:36:27.159 --> 00:36:30.960 have pitched things on to pitch episodes of a show on the fly? Did 528 00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:32.599 I had note? Like, I was like, all right, whatever, 529 00:36:32.599 --> 00:36:36.639 I'm gonna just get it. Hopefully this is gonna be the dumbest thing that 530 00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:39.039 anyone's heard. Sorry, that's like and you know, that's like, honestly, 531 00:36:39.679 --> 00:36:45.840 that's something that that I remember being taught in film school, Like at 532 00:36:45.880 --> 00:36:50.760 the very beginning, it's like, if you ever get a meeting for any 533 00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:52.199 kind of if you get a meeting to pitch one of your one of your 534 00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:57.719 ideas, make sure you get three more lined up to just back it up. 535 00:36:57.760 --> 00:37:00.440 And that's what it makes me like to like hearing that whole thing What's 536 00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:06.159 next, because that's exactly what you like. That's I mean, that's anything 537 00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:09.400 on television, that's any creative idea. If you rest on the same thing 538 00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:14.320 forever, then you're fucked. You're not gonna you know, you need to 539 00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:20.599 have something else to build on. And especially once Siegel says Goldberg is what 540 00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:23.360 was the next thing you better have? Like, if you're executive, he 541 00:37:23.480 --> 00:37:28.199 might be wrong, it doesn't matter he she They might be wrong, but 542 00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:30.639 if they tell you it's like the number one Like if you ever like hired 543 00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:35.920 you rewrites, they always tell you, well, all you gotta do is 544 00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:42.559 listen to what the execs says and verbatim right, exactly one idea that they 545 00:37:42.679 --> 00:37:47.239 have to the script does. If you're wondering how to get good grades in 546 00:37:47.280 --> 00:37:51.519 school, it's the same thing. Listen to that son of a bitch and 547 00:37:51.679 --> 00:37:54.440 give it back to them. In their own words, they they they sacrificed 548 00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:58.519 a lot to be up there as a teacher, and the last thing they 549 00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:01.519 need is some punk bitch acting like they're smarter than them, even if they 550 00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:06.760 are. You have to make them feel like they have good ideas. It's 551 00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:12.079 that simple. And they keep saying, and this is and this is one 552 00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:15.599 of the most frustrating things that I've seen for twenty years now. Wrestling is 553 00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:19.280 different. Wrestling. It's bookers, not show. No, it's not. 554 00:38:19.719 --> 00:38:22.199 It's not even if they do, even if I don't understand the business, 555 00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:27.360 it does not matter to them. They don't care. You're it's it's bottom 556 00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:30.920 line. Only if you're not delivering, it's over. I mean, they 557 00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:36.159 talk about how Bonnie Hammer basically had to beg to keep Raw on the air 558 00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:37.639 in the middle of ninety seven because they're like, well, this is kind 559 00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:40.440 of an expensive show now, and we think we can replace it for much 560 00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:45.039 cheaper with a lot and it could cost us a lot less money. And 561 00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:46.519 she was basically like, no, no, no, we we're doing its 562 00:38:46.559 --> 00:38:51.559 transition. Until the transition happens, let's not let's keep you know, let's 563 00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:55.199 basically toe the line because she knew Barry Diller was coming who was loved wrestling, 564 00:38:55.800 --> 00:39:00.360 and that as soon as Barry Diller took over USA, they had protection. 565 00:39:00.760 --> 00:39:02.280 But there was basically they were almost off the air, like that's the 566 00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:06.000 thing is that people, but they end up blowing up a barrier going to 567 00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:09.000 TNN. We didn't they end up having any blow up with him. Well 568 00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:13.400 long term yes, but at the time he comes in ninety eight. He 569 00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:15.000 comes in in ninety eight, which is a lot words, which is always 570 00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:19.280 like like I think Bishoff always like Chafe sedid it because he's like, well, 571 00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:22.360 Diller allowed basically took away standards and practices from them, like that's Diller, 572 00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:25.119 and it's like it is like, but USA has also had silk stalkings 573 00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:28.559 on guys. It's a totally different network. It's not TNT. Yeah, 574 00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:31.599 like what know what you are? You can't you can't do what they can 575 00:39:31.639 --> 00:39:35.280 do. But it doesn't mean you can't have effective wrestling. You just did 576 00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:37.639 it. You just did it. Yeah, Yeah, it's yeah. I 577 00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:42.320 guess they think that WWF has to be very tame, But the fact of 578 00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:45.119 the matter is there was a lot of lude Steve Austin stuff going on when 579 00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:49.559 the nWo is at its absolute hottest. You know, yeah, it's not 580 00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:52.239 like it's a direct line of like as soon as they started showing middle fingers 581 00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:59.000 and ultra violence and going really crazy leaning into Russo's direction that WCW lost overnight. 582 00:39:59.119 --> 00:40:01.840 It took a long time of beating that drum. It didn't have to 583 00:40:01.880 --> 00:40:04.920 do as much with the fact that it was Lewede. It had to do 584 00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:07.639 with the fact that it was being executed wonderfully for the moment. I mean 585 00:40:07.639 --> 00:40:12.000 it was it was you had, you had a concise, focused, focused 586 00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:15.440 storyline that you know. That's that's what made it different. That's what made 587 00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:19.800 it. You know, you didn't have a million egos all, you know, 588 00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:22.639 trying to join the nWo and and and you know, belittle everything else. 589 00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:27.360 When you think about Sable, right, Okay, yes, her almost 590 00:40:27.400 --> 00:40:30.599 being naked on TV weekly worked, But what was Sable really about? Why 591 00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:35.440 was it more than just major guns coming out there trying to titillate It was 592 00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:38.119 her power mombing Mark Mayer at Wrestling at fourteen fully clothed or at least, 593 00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:42.960 you know, not not not wearing revealing clothing because that that was. That 594 00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:47.480 was what you could tell yourself. This nudity or partial nudity was leading towards 595 00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:51.639 It was that fundamental, Like if it's not leading to a moment on a 596 00:40:51.639 --> 00:40:53.440 pay per view, it is not worth doing. It is not worth doing, 597 00:40:54.039 --> 00:40:57.280 or it doesn't it be a paper you just whatever you conceive in your 598 00:40:57.320 --> 00:41:00.880 head is as the mega card, the supercard. Yeah, the craziest sex 599 00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:05.920 and violent stuff that Vince ever does is an O two O three and no 600 00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:10.639 one is fucking watching desperate bid to keep that edge, desperate yet desperate and 601 00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:14.719 you know he is. He's doing insanct and he's doing it. I mean 602 00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:16.440 the owner of the company is doing it. Is the is the you know, 603 00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:19.960 that's where we you know where you guys have so definitely gotten into his 604 00:41:20.079 --> 00:41:24.679 id. But like it's it's like he that that stuff is not that was 605 00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:30.039 not why I think that's the thing is like it wasn't really like Russo and 606 00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:34.960 you know which kind of that that like was the reason why people were watching 607 00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:37.960 it. Again, they had a huge star and despite all of his injuries 608 00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:40.639 and everything else and what he could do and what he and his limitations, 609 00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:46.800 they centered everything around Austin it's like and to the point where it's like, 610 00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:52.400 to this day, it's like, had they got basically Bishoff felt ass backwards 611 00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:55.400 into a huge star and I know, yeah, they didn't. They didn't 612 00:41:55.400 --> 00:41:58.119 have him lose. They didn't have him lose. I get it. I 613 00:41:58.199 --> 00:42:00.119 get it. For a long time they didn't, but eventually they did. 614 00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:05.079 And once he lost because they like, you know, they built him up 615 00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:07.960 as he couldn't lose, and it was like a weird MMA style thing like 616 00:42:08.039 --> 00:42:13.679 Alvarez did a good job of kind of detailing it was it was over. 617 00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:16.599 They stopped building the company around Goldberg, and once you do that, it's 618 00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:20.519 over. Like basically, you can't you can't do it. Like I think, 619 00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:22.760 honestly, I think if Sean would have, if Sean doesn't get hurt 620 00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:27.400 and Sean's a problem as they're building the company around Austin in you know, 621 00:42:27.559 --> 00:42:30.840 spring of ninety eight, I think that Vince would fire Sean. I think 622 00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:35.639 that that's where he was. I think he understood what the gravy train was 623 00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:38.159 and he was not getting off of it. I think Vince under like Hogan, 624 00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:40.679 didn't get off that gravy true, and he didn't look at Gift horse 625 00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:43.840 in the mouth, and that's very rare and wrestling, because you know, 626 00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:46.119 there's so money agendas, you're on, you're on the road, you're at 627 00:42:46.159 --> 00:42:51.920 TV every week. It's so easy to get someone in your ear consistently to 628 00:42:51.960 --> 00:42:54.159 get you to second guess what's in front of you and lose track of you 629 00:42:54.239 --> 00:42:58.239 know, sticking with something that's working until it doesn't work anymore. You you 630 00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:00.320 almost preempt yourself. It's really tricky. It's hard to do. I know 631 00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:04.320 it's hard to do, but that's that's how you judge a great promoter from 632 00:43:04.360 --> 00:43:07.880 a substandard one. And when were down, Vince found the gold. Vince 633 00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:13.199 found the Vince found the beat to play and he played it. W Study 634 00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:15.280 couldn't do it. Bescheff couldn't do it. No one over there could do 635 00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:19.559 it. After the initial pop worked, after the initial angle, Angle stayed 636 00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:22.199 it, they couldn't find anything else. They couldn't do it. And yeah, 637 00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:27.800 absolutely, And I think in the end, like Vince just understands how 638 00:43:28.039 --> 00:43:30.599 he understands the television business really, like, like to the point where I 639 00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:37.719 was thinking about it tonight beyond like because he's fucking psychopath and obviously a sick, 640 00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:42.519 sick man. But for all of that, that guy should be in 641 00:43:42.559 --> 00:43:45.599 the Television Hall of Fame for sure. Yeah, that bullshit thing that exists. 642 00:43:45.639 --> 00:43:50.320 I mean, that guy has a He understood television and he understood how 643 00:43:50.360 --> 00:43:52.400 to deal with all these executives. He dealt with Eversaw, he dealt with 644 00:43:52.519 --> 00:43:55.519 tarked Off, he dealt with Bonnie Hammer and Barry Diller, and he had 645 00:43:55.559 --> 00:44:00.880 these long relationships with these people and based a lot of them, you know, 646 00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:04.639 according to Dick ever Saw, they never had a deal, and like 647 00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:07.239 to the point where when they're putting the main event on the Friday night show 648 00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:10.400 in eighty eight de Andre show, the targetof's calling him being like, what's 649 00:44:10.440 --> 00:44:13.480 the deal? Like, what is your guy's deal? What do we pay 650 00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:15.159 them? He's like, oh, it's a handshake. And he's like, 651 00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:16.719 you are on a handshake deal with the thing that's been on our network for 652 00:44:16.840 --> 00:44:21.760 three years. And Eversaw's like, yeah, you're a psych we can't do 653 00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:23.719 that. But the point being is that it's like Vince really got it. 654 00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:27.760 He got what he had to deliver, he got what they wanted. He 655 00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:31.719 understood how to deal with television executives. He understood how to speak their language, 656 00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:37.000 And I really think despite this so ironic, it's ironic. That's because 657 00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:39.760 was supposed to be the guy they brought it. Yeah, he's supposed to 658 00:44:39.760 --> 00:44:44.280 be the guy they brought it up. Speak language, because it really became 659 00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:49.159 apparent to me in the Nitro book when it's detailed how Turner had all because 660 00:44:49.320 --> 00:44:52.000 I had always thought, I think a lot of you know, wrestling fans 661 00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:54.800 who like this kind of crap, always thought is that Bischoff had convinced Turner 662 00:44:55.039 --> 00:45:00.280 to give him primetime. No, Turner gave him primetime. So in the 663 00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:04.559 end, Bischoff had no idea how to pitch for that type of thing, 664 00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:08.599 whereas McMahon, because he's an independent television company, had to pitch to get 665 00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:10.800 Raw on the air. He had to pitch to do it. And I 666 00:45:10.880 --> 00:45:15.159 understand that they had a show already, a prime time Raw is a different 667 00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:19.159 entity. It is a different thing, and he had to pitch and explain 668 00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:20.920 what it was going to be, what it was going to look like. 669 00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:23.880 Am I presenting? What is this? And they had to be like, 670 00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:27.360 all right, I mean he's done, all right, And wrestling was not 671 00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:29.760 in a good place when he's putting Raw on the air, at all, 672 00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:35.519 and they believed in what Vince was selling. But I don't know in the 673 00:45:35.679 --> 00:45:39.880 end, after the nWo if anyone really believed what Eric was selling. And 674 00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:44.559 you have to be able to And I'm not saying, look this is I'm 675 00:45:44.599 --> 00:45:45.840 not saying that I could do it. I'm just saying, if you look, 676 00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:49.960 I was, you know, thinking about it. Like they basically had, 677 00:45:50.719 --> 00:45:55.239 Eric was the showrunner and Sullivan was the head writer. The first like 678 00:45:55.360 --> 00:45:59.840 sort of two years of if you take the booker and the promoter, all 679 00:45:59.840 --> 00:46:02.440 the bs, forget that, let's just talk in TV terms. Very quickly 680 00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:07.960 Bishoff and Sullivan were the show runner and head writer, and then it was 681 00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:12.679 ninety seven. It seems like Bischoff was a performer, the showrunner and the 682 00:46:12.760 --> 00:46:15.840 head writer for like the whole year. After Sullivan you know, goes home 683 00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:21.000 with all the drug shit, and then Eric of course burns out. Of 684 00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:24.440 course you're going to and slowly but surely starts relying on Nash. And somehow, 685 00:46:25.039 --> 00:46:32.800 somehow, Kevin Nash becomes the showrunner of a cable television show, What 686 00:46:32.920 --> 00:46:37.400 every He watched a lot of Larry Sanders, he watched, he watched Larry 687 00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:39.239 Sanders show. He did so he really I think he really was like, 688 00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:43.840 oh, this isn't hard. I think that I think that he really thought 689 00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:47.440 that he could do this, and he become and for about eight months he 690 00:46:47.679 --> 00:46:52.559 is running that show. He's running the show, and for a little while 691 00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:55.360 it seems that maybe Sullivan was maybe the head writer, but mostly I think 692 00:46:55.480 --> 00:46:59.920 Ash was the writer of the show, was the showrunner. So he's talking 693 00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:06.119 two executives. Kevin Nash think of long haired nineteen ninety nine Kevin Nash in 694 00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:10.400 meetings with T and T executives, not Bischoff. Kevin Nash. Bischoff is 695 00:47:10.440 --> 00:47:15.519 in Paris. This is Kevin Nash, okay, And when Bischoff comes back 696 00:47:15.400 --> 00:47:19.199 and he has gray hair, so he is not a person who's going to 697 00:47:19.280 --> 00:47:22.960 go in and do very well in Atlanta period. It's is not It's all 698 00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:25.880 true, you know. I think one evolution that's important to point out, 699 00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:30.519 and Dick Cheetam has talked about this, is that before the Turner Time Warner 700 00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:32.679 merger posed to the a Well Time Warner merger, there was a Turner Sports 701 00:47:32.719 --> 00:47:37.639 division and it was accounted for alongside WCW was alongside the Braves and along with 702 00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:40.480 the sports it was in the sports division. Yeah, right, and so 703 00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:45.280 in Jim Hurts era and Kip Fry's era before Bischoff took over, really Watts, 704 00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:50.639 there seemed to be a corporate mentality that wrestlers contracts are akin to professional 705 00:47:50.679 --> 00:47:54.840 baseball players contracts, and we respect this sort of like guaranteed money structure. 706 00:47:55.559 --> 00:47:59.559 And what happens is I think after that Turner Time Warner merger, I think 707 00:47:59.559 --> 00:48:01.679 it was ninety eight. I think it was ninety six. Yeah, whatever 708 00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:07.079 the hell, Time Warner. Yeah, suddenly it starts to become entertainment. 709 00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:10.960 It starts to become Brad Siegel's remit. It starts to become why wrestling if 710 00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:15.239 not movies. Whereas before when it was in Turner Sports and before the Time 711 00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:19.760 Warner merger, there wasn't a consideration of putting those two in the same category. 712 00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:22.880 It wasn't do we do we put Wizard of Oz on instead of the 713 00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:24.800 Braves. No, we we have our sports and that we have our movies. 714 00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:29.480 And all of a sudden, all of a sudden that you know, 715 00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:34.440 there's a couple of changeovers. Harvey Schiller leaves, there's that that Bill Bush 716 00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:37.519 into Regnum. You know, for a lot of the time in terms of 717 00:48:37.639 --> 00:48:44.079 like christening Bischoff is the guy you know, we know uh that that there 718 00:48:44.159 --> 00:48:47.119 was a lot of different moving chairs and people trying to position it around the 719 00:48:47.199 --> 00:48:51.639 time Bischoff got the job, But it was Bill Shaw really who said, 720 00:48:51.639 --> 00:48:54.320 all right, like, we're gonna we're gonna lean into making this a television 721 00:48:54.320 --> 00:48:59.760 show. We're gonna lean into speaking the language of Turner television and entertainment instead 722 00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:04.280 of or sports. And all of a sudden, the hiring of Bischoff makes 723 00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:07.000 sense. But he worked himself and reshoot because he took this thing that was 724 00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:13.119 kind of not being held to an entertainment standard and more of a sports standard 725 00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:15.559 and turned it into just another television show. And I think what people to 726 00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:19.800 cry about w W used to buy, especially longtime fans like Chris Zellner who 727 00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:22.199 we talked about, is that it wasn't another television show. To them, 728 00:49:22.239 --> 00:49:27.880 It was a sport. It was something that had a different reason to exist 729 00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:34.480 and fought for different economics than scripted television did. But you know, Bischoff 730 00:49:34.519 --> 00:49:37.239 gets the job because he's pushing it more in the direction of thinking about it 731 00:49:37.360 --> 00:49:39.639 like not producing a scripted television show. Although of course it was, but 732 00:49:40.079 --> 00:49:45.159 more of like a shiny floor game show like production with a closed set, 733 00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:47.400 and like, you know, the economics of that and the mentality of that, 734 00:49:47.480 --> 00:49:51.840 and the psychology of that, and the commercialism of that, and that 735 00:49:52.039 --> 00:49:55.239 ended up being I think kind of their undoing because all of a sudden they're 736 00:49:55.280 --> 00:49:58.800 being held to the same standard as any other show that comes and goes, 737 00:49:59.199 --> 00:50:01.599 as opposed to you know, the Hawks don't come and go, the Braves 738 00:50:01.639 --> 00:50:05.719 don't come and go. Perhaps they go to another station, but you don't 739 00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:10.400 cancel them in the same way you lose them, whereas you cancel WCW. 740 00:50:12.559 --> 00:50:15.199 Yeah, and once and once you I think that the big and it is 741 00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:17.480 it's one of those things where it's like a chicken or the egg thing of 742 00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:23.840 like, there's no question they are not They can't be WCW as we know 743 00:50:23.920 --> 00:50:28.079 it, or the Nitro era of WCW without haulk Hogan, No, no 744 00:50:28.239 --> 00:50:31.000 question. However, halk Hogan's contract, as you guys have talked about in 745 00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:35.920 detail, is outside of the purview of the wrestling it is. It's with 746 00:50:36.119 --> 00:50:42.880 Turner Entertainment. So the biggest star actually has a movie star style contract, 747 00:50:43.039 --> 00:50:45.840 including the fact that he had movies that they have to put on, yes, 748 00:50:46.320 --> 00:50:49.880 that don't get any ratings by the way, and that they can't sell 749 00:50:49.880 --> 00:50:52.800 any app based So there, you know, so all of a sudden he 750 00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:59.199 isn't there. They are by giving Hogan that deal, they have put them 751 00:50:59.719 --> 00:51:04.880 sell into the eyes of the entertainment business. Part of this, and that 752 00:51:05.159 --> 00:51:09.119 in the nineties was a much more competitive and hardcore at Like, it's funny 753 00:51:09.480 --> 00:51:14.679 because Tony Kahan this weekend wants to be compared to sports. Why does he 754 00:51:14.719 --> 00:51:20.119 want to be conspared to sports? Because his demo then it matters for sports 755 00:51:20.239 --> 00:51:23.199 in a different way that would matter for entertainment entertainment. He's killing it in 756 00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:27.920 the demo, but in sports he'll get more money back. Then you want 757 00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:31.159 it to be in the entertainment group because you get more money for your show. 758 00:51:32.239 --> 00:51:36.360 But and yeah, I know they weren't spent, they weren't given enough 759 00:51:36.480 --> 00:51:38.280 for the show. They weren't they were a wholly owned company. They didn't 760 00:51:38.320 --> 00:51:42.079 view it that they were paying them in the same amount of money to put 761 00:51:42.119 --> 00:51:45.519 on the show and to have that roster. They didn't view it that way. 762 00:51:45.639 --> 00:51:51.480 But like they put themselves. Bishoff put himself in position to win by 763 00:51:51.960 --> 00:51:55.079 dealing with Hogan and to lose by not being able to continue to have like 764 00:51:55.199 --> 00:52:00.960 you had to generate such high ratings, such high revenue that it became, 765 00:52:01.119 --> 00:52:04.119 you know, a near impossibility, and so it's like, you know, 766 00:52:04.280 --> 00:52:07.519 like to keep to keep that up on that level. And then once you 767 00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:10.800 kind of, once it's clear that Hogan might not be the thing anymore, 768 00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:15.559 you kind of have to drop Hogan. But that was an anathma. So 769 00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:20.119 I think it's like, you know, you know, ninety nine, maybe 770 00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:22.599 the thing is like you don't get rid of Russo, or you don't bring 771 00:52:22.639 --> 00:52:24.840 in Russo at all, you get rid of Hogan. That's a hard thing 772 00:52:24.880 --> 00:52:30.000 to do. But you hand much in the same way of like the idea 773 00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:34.039 that Vince might have been been handing off a bit of a poison pill in 774 00:52:34.159 --> 00:52:37.840 a in a disgruntled Brett Hart to them. Maybe you hand off a disgruntled 775 00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:40.760 n you know, hul Cogan to Vince and see if he can do anything. 776 00:52:40.800 --> 00:52:45.320 Were there in that direction. But I think that's the point is without 777 00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:49.719 Hogan, bishof has no idea what to do. That's not it's not only 778 00:52:49.760 --> 00:52:52.679 anathema, it's like, actually, what what what do you mean, Like, 779 00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:55.400 how did what do you mean a WCW without a whole Cogan? Yeah? 780 00:52:55.519 --> 00:52:58.559 Right, yeah, you know what it becomes. It becomes that word 781 00:52:58.679 --> 00:53:00.840 salad from that magazine and of we read in the game where it's these like 782 00:53:01.119 --> 00:53:06.320 broad sweeping platitudes where it's like you can sink your teeth and nothing. He's 783 00:53:06.320 --> 00:53:08.000 saying about what this w CW is going to be, what it's going to 784 00:53:08.039 --> 00:53:12.440 look and feel like, because it's just like, yeah, I wouldn't just 785 00:53:12.519 --> 00:53:15.519 put Hogan. They had a handshake deal with like that's the other day they 786 00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:16.639 had it, Like you said, they had a handshake deal with the Vegas 787 00:53:16.760 --> 00:53:20.199 venue. They didn't even have a Vegas But this is this show has put 788 00:53:20.239 --> 00:53:23.280 to launch in seven weeks. Your ta telling Jamie Kellner that he doesn't know 789 00:53:23.320 --> 00:53:25.960 where he's shooting, where they're shooting the show, he'd be like, what 790 00:53:27.079 --> 00:53:30.039 the fuck are you talking about? No, cancel it every now? I 791 00:53:30.079 --> 00:53:31.360 would think, so are you out of your minds? Like they didn't have 792 00:53:31.440 --> 00:53:35.599 they didn't have anything. They had nothing. He did not have. He 793 00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:38.119 could not even tell them whether Hulk Hogan was going to be there. I 794 00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:42.840 don't know if that's just maybe he's just bullshitting the magazine. I don't know, 795 00:53:42.960 --> 00:53:45.159 but it sounded to me like he was, like, I think Hulk's 796 00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:47.320 going to be there, but I'm not positive. I think they had to 797 00:53:47.400 --> 00:53:51.079 reset all the contracts. Yeah, yeah, I think they had to. 798 00:53:51.440 --> 00:53:55.159 I don't think they could really sign anybody for sure until that deal has to 799 00:53:55.480 --> 00:54:00.960 consummated and they knew what the number was. Yeah, these guys are sitting 800 00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:04.400 home collecting checks whether if not working, So you have to come to them 801 00:54:04.440 --> 00:54:07.679 with checks before they start working, and that will be and you have to 802 00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:10.199 pay them exactly, and you have to pay them these absurd things because most 803 00:54:10.239 --> 00:54:14.199 of them are going to sit at home as opposed. And yeah, they 804 00:54:14.199 --> 00:54:15.800 were gonna get they weren't. I don't think that Bishal was going to bring 805 00:54:16.480 --> 00:54:19.679 you know, Nash back. Maybe it would have, but I don't know 806 00:54:20.159 --> 00:54:22.239 at that number definite was and I don't think he was going to bring all 807 00:54:22.280 --> 00:54:23.960 back. Just the number was just too insane, Like I don't I really 808 00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:28.119 think he couldn't afford it. But you know, obviously he had to have 809 00:54:28.280 --> 00:54:30.599 at least like sort of a six pack or eight pack of guys that he 810 00:54:30.679 --> 00:54:35.519 could depend on for the early big bang ratings because it's like, there's no 811 00:54:35.800 --> 00:54:37.960 there's no way to do that. And so that's why I think in part 812 00:54:38.920 --> 00:54:45.039 that that ending part of like the what why w CW died is that the 813 00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:49.280 IP really wasn't worth that much at that moment, and they weren't really sure 814 00:54:50.119 --> 00:54:57.000 that he could deliver, and W didn't mean anymore than calling it World Ride 815 00:54:57.199 --> 00:55:00.760 Wrestling All Stars or TNA didn't mean more than that at that point that WW. 816 00:55:00.440 --> 00:55:02.880 And here's here's the thing, right JP, we talk about this and 817 00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:07.320 people always pretend not to notice it. It wasn't WCW that blew up as 818 00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:10.039 the nWo, right, It got to the point that they were going to 819 00:55:10.119 --> 00:55:14.840 fucking rename Nitro n W Nitro until they actually went ahead and did it, 820 00:55:14.880 --> 00:55:17.360 and it was such a goddamn ratings disaster that they never floated the idea again 821 00:55:17.440 --> 00:55:21.920 of having an nWo show in a WCW show. But Bischoff was so taken 822 00:55:21.960 --> 00:55:24.880 and so smitten with the nWo as the calling card for the whole thing that 823 00:55:25.000 --> 00:55:29.760 he totally whiffed on the psychology of the only you know, WW needing to 824 00:55:29.800 --> 00:55:34.280 come back was the thing. And because they never did, the loyalty to 825 00:55:34.320 --> 00:55:37.280 those three letters meant nothing, right, because that's the thing, you know, 826 00:55:37.639 --> 00:55:42.079 if if, if, if they actually had booked a strong WCW against 827 00:55:42.079 --> 00:55:46.480 the nWo, you know, WSW might have actually meant something. But because 828 00:55:46.599 --> 00:55:51.679 they did everything in the heart and minds of the actual decision makers, Bischoff 829 00:55:51.719 --> 00:55:53.719 didn't know. WSW didn't mean something to him. nWo is his baby, 830 00:55:53.800 --> 00:55:59.960 not WW. That's my my feeling on it. You know, I think 831 00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:01.519 I thought the other day about the Luger title win in the Palace barber Hills, 832 00:56:01.559 --> 00:56:05.320 August nineteen ninety seven, when he puts Hogan in the rack. Yeah, 833 00:56:05.599 --> 00:56:07.840 that's the sting finish right there. Everyone runs in the ring w CW. 834 00:56:08.000 --> 00:56:12.599 Hoist's the guy who finally thrown Hogan And don't forget you know, Luger. 835 00:56:12.719 --> 00:56:15.079 The nWo tries to run in before Luger puts him in the rack and 836 00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:16.239 he throws Hall over the ropes and he knocks Nash out of the ring. 837 00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:20.199 It's so perfect. And they did that and it undid it, and it's 838 00:56:20.239 --> 00:56:22.800 like they can't they they're not going to move on. They don't see it. 839 00:56:22.840 --> 00:56:24.280 They don't see this as the pivot point. They don't get the pivot 840 00:56:24.320 --> 00:56:29.360 point. It would it would be like Austin beating Shawn Michaels at Wrestling May 841 00:56:29.480 --> 00:56:31.880 fourteen and then losing the title in May uh and then never getting it back. 842 00:56:31.880 --> 00:56:35.360 I know he lost it to Caine for a day, but his rain 843 00:56:36.199 --> 00:56:39.800 actually stopping. Yes, yea within two months, absolutely so, and then 844 00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:44.039 never yeah, and then basically dorm it, you know, and acting like 845 00:56:44.079 --> 00:56:47.559 it's so funny. You know, it's so funny too, because and and 846 00:56:47.719 --> 00:56:52.840 and Luger was so fucking over as a baby face. Yeah, that's how 847 00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:57.519 hot the program was. That Luger himself was like the fucking yep, the 848 00:56:57.639 --> 00:57:00.559 Messiah at that moment. That that's how hot. Dethroning the nWo as a 849 00:57:00.599 --> 00:57:05.079 concept was that it made Luger matter more than I think he ever mattered in 850 00:57:05.119 --> 00:57:09.719 his whole career. Agreed and agreed and maybe matter more than Sting at that 851 00:57:09.840 --> 00:57:14.800 point, which is a little bit worrying. But again Bischoff holding back, 852 00:57:14.920 --> 00:57:19.039 like you do wonder whether it should have been, like you can like if 853 00:57:19.079 --> 00:57:21.679 you're really he's like, okay, when he first talks about the nWo, 854 00:57:21.719 --> 00:57:22.400 he's like, oh, I think we can run this for six months. 855 00:57:22.400 --> 00:57:24.199 I wonder if we can run it for and then all of a sudden it's 856 00:57:24.199 --> 00:57:27.159 like, well, it never is gonna end. By early ninety seven, 857 00:57:27.199 --> 00:57:30.320 it's like, well, no, we can run this forever. But you 858 00:57:30.440 --> 00:57:35.159 do wonder. It's like, should it have been Sting that comes back at 859 00:57:35.199 --> 00:57:38.280 Bachel's the Beach ninety seven, puts Hogan in the rack and ends it essentially 860 00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:42.119 there, and then they have this run like you guys have talked about before. 861 00:57:42.119 --> 00:57:45.039 I always thought it was really brilliant where it's sort of like everybody else 862 00:57:45.039 --> 00:57:47.400 who's in the nWo gets kind of kicked out. It's just those three guys, 863 00:57:47.480 --> 00:57:52.039 and maybe it's the three guys versus the original three guys of Macho, 864 00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:55.199 Luger and Sting at star K ninety eight seven. And then that's the final 865 00:57:55.360 --> 00:57:58.199 end of it, right, and then you take them off TV for a 866 00:57:58.280 --> 00:58:00.719 time, and so it's not it so do you It only goes for like 867 00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:02.599 a year and a half even at that point, like I know that it 868 00:58:02.760 --> 00:58:07.519 just but but once you get into a series thing where you're splitting the nWo 869 00:58:07.639 --> 00:58:12.480 into factions that like, and so it's NW wolf Pack versus nWo Black and 870 00:58:12.559 --> 00:58:16.800 White and it's w CW and the nWo present. That's that's that's a guy, 871 00:58:16.880 --> 00:58:22.360 I'm sorry, whose storytelling acumen is gone. He doesn't have it anymore. 872 00:58:22.360 --> 00:58:25.280 And so that a story of those logos. There's a reason I've spent 873 00:58:25.400 --> 00:58:29.000 it all this time talking about the logo changer. And that's a really good. 874 00:58:29.039 --> 00:58:30.639 One time I never really picked up on was when they switched from the 875 00:58:30.760 --> 00:58:36.199 WW logo to the WW slash nWo. That was that just reeked of desperation. 876 00:58:36.400 --> 00:58:39.400 That really ill focus. Yeah, it was like the storytelling and going 877 00:58:39.519 --> 00:58:43.360 and to be honest, so he takes a break. But the thing is 878 00:58:43.559 --> 00:58:45.360 is that and this is where you know, you can definitely blame the execs. 879 00:58:46.039 --> 00:58:51.000 The execs had no idea who to get to run that show, and 880 00:58:51.119 --> 00:58:52.960 so they you know, Bishoff recommends Nash, So Nash is running it. 881 00:58:53.320 --> 00:58:57.199 That doesn't work. Bishoff comes back for a little bit. They're like to 882 00:58:57.360 --> 00:59:00.119 Eric go home, and then all of a sudden, you know, they 883 00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:04.000 bring in Russo. Russo cannot run a show obviously. You know, there's 884 00:59:04.159 --> 00:59:07.519 many, so many details, including the great interview you guys did the other 885 00:59:07.639 --> 00:59:12.119 day which detail how nuts Russo, what really was Russo should not be a 886 00:59:12.119 --> 00:59:14.599 show runner. Maybe can be a head writer, but he should not be 887 00:59:14.679 --> 00:59:17.440 a showrunner. They did that, they get rid of Russo, they try, 888 00:59:17.599 --> 00:59:20.559 you know, they're like, Okay, let's get Eric back so he 889 00:59:20.639 --> 00:59:22.159 can run the show and Russo can be the head writer. Maybe that'll work, 890 00:59:22.559 --> 00:59:27.079 doesn't They don't? You know, they have the weird Sullivan running the 891 00:59:27.119 --> 00:59:30.519 show over two months. That's pure insanity. They obviously did not care at 892 00:59:30.559 --> 00:59:34.880 that point about anything that was going on. And yeah, so like the 893 00:59:34.920 --> 00:59:38.159 execs had no clue as to what to do with it, and that's got 894 00:59:38.199 --> 00:59:40.159 Yeah, they never wanted it, et cetera. But to be honest, 895 00:59:40.199 --> 00:59:44.119 I mean, that's so many times, Like there's been so many shows that 896 00:59:44.199 --> 00:59:47.039 have had two good seasons and died. Didn't it be fair to WCW. 897 00:59:49.559 --> 00:59:52.519 Even the craziness of network TV back then, Network TV at its height. 898 00:59:53.039 --> 00:59:58.000 I mean, I remember the first season of the OC famously did twenty seven 899 00:59:58.039 --> 01:00:00.880 episodes. Twenty seven episodes, so insane. I still can't get over it. 900 01:00:00.960 --> 01:00:05.000 That's a lot they do. How they get away with that? They 901 01:00:05.079 --> 01:00:07.440 did basically specials and all this. Yeah, they it's one of the longest 902 01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:10.639 season, Like one season runs it's a one season run that harkens back to 903 01:00:10.719 --> 01:00:15.280 like the you know, the sixties essentially, and so they did twenty seven 904 01:00:15.360 --> 01:00:17.280 in the first and then they were done. They essentially had no good storylines 905 01:00:17.360 --> 01:00:20.880 for the rest of the time that that show was on the air. But 906 01:00:21.519 --> 01:00:23.719 WCW two Be Fair has to do fifty two of those. I get it, 907 01:00:23.840 --> 01:00:29.639 Like they have to do they're doing two super long seasons or three traditionals 908 01:00:29.719 --> 01:00:32.119 now shows or eight episodes, so you're you know, that's like it's like 909 01:00:32.280 --> 01:00:37.599 six seasons of TV in one, you know, in one year of wrestling. 910 01:00:37.719 --> 01:00:38.880 I get it. I get that. I don't know. I'm not 911 01:00:39.039 --> 01:00:43.599 saying that it's easy to do. I'm not saying again, that's not a 912 01:00:43.679 --> 01:00:47.639 knock on any of these guys. However, it is unfortunately your job, 913 01:00:47.760 --> 01:00:54.320 and especially once WCW gets very expensive to run, it's very easy to replace 914 01:00:54.800 --> 01:01:00.440 because it's just you can't draw the revenue in because it's expensive. Like if 915 01:01:00.519 --> 01:01:04.880 once you're given two hundred and fifty thousand dollars contracts out like there you know 916 01:01:05.119 --> 01:01:07.480 nothing, and then you know, the big guys are making a tremendous amount 917 01:01:07.480 --> 01:01:09.960 of money. All bets are off you know what I mean, Like, 918 01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:13.280 it's just it's a very expensive you know, when you start to live, 919 01:01:13.320 --> 01:01:15.559 they're like, uh, what's going on? Like this, how much is 920 01:01:15.599 --> 01:01:17.840 this thing that's costing us? Yeah, it's time, but what's what's the 921 01:01:17.960 --> 01:01:21.960 number? And then yeah, okay, O get three point one? Still 922 01:01:22.000 --> 01:01:25.679 good whatever whatever, it wasn't drawing at that point, it's it's drawing under 923 01:01:25.719 --> 01:01:30.239 three point hs. Then you know, uh, thunders drawing under twos. 924 01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:32.760 There's no money in it. There's just not And then you can't rely on 925 01:01:32.840 --> 01:01:37.320 the carriage fee because the number is having less and less and less, so 926 01:01:37.440 --> 01:01:42.320 you can't even justify it with that. And that's it's very easy to see 927 01:01:42.360 --> 01:01:45.960 how Nitro got canceled. It's very easy to see how Thunder obviously got canceled. 928 01:01:45.440 --> 01:01:51.239 Yes, I admit it's harder to see how WCW got sold and gone. 929 01:01:51.320 --> 01:01:58.880 But again it's it was, Yeah, there's a television product. It's 930 01:01:58.920 --> 01:02:04.119 just because a television product, there's no payview revenue to speak of year over 931 01:02:04.199 --> 01:02:06.960 year, there's no live gate to speak of year over year, and that's 932 01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:09.280 what people are thinking is still salvageable at the end. They still think there's 933 01:02:09.280 --> 01:02:14.719 a WCW live arena business and a pay per view business that should carry on 934 01:02:14.920 --> 01:02:17.960 longer than the television show dujore because wrestling lasts so long based on those revenue 935 01:02:17.960 --> 01:02:22.559 models. But WW made the intentional choice we are not going it didn't work 936 01:02:22.599 --> 01:02:25.519 underheard, and they said, fuck it, we're not going to count on 937 01:02:25.639 --> 01:02:30.519 live event ticket sales as our primary bread and butteron And that's why only Anderston 938 01:02:30.599 --> 01:02:32.639 never worked in that organization, because that's the only pro wrestling structure he really 939 01:02:32.719 --> 01:02:37.440 understood. He didn't have any idea how to lean into the economics of television 940 01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:42.719 that tastes the mentality of people who run and spend money in television. And 941 01:02:42.840 --> 01:02:45.480 then when they did that, what do you know, they ended up in 942 01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:49.840 a category with every other show that got canceled. And we think about fondly 943 01:02:50.039 --> 01:02:53.199 now, you know, twenty years later or thirty years later, whoever min 944 01:02:53.280 --> 01:02:57.119 numbingly far away it's been. But we look back, we say, yeah, 945 01:02:57.159 --> 01:03:00.159 that was a hit television show, and that's what it was. We 946 01:03:00.280 --> 01:03:04.480 remember the ties. But Tom is, please go ahead bring us home. 947 01:03:05.519 --> 01:03:08.679 Yeah. My last thing was I would say that you guys first instincts were 948 01:03:08.760 --> 01:03:15.320 right about who killed WCW. Vince and Jim Hurt or sorry, Jim Murder. 949 01:03:15.599 --> 01:03:17.400 Jim Crockett, Jim Crockett, those are the two people. Jim Crockett 950 01:03:19.079 --> 01:03:22.360 selling it and did the sports idea of w CW one s and for all, 951 01:03:22.400 --> 01:03:24.320 despite what they wanted. And so when people think of like, oh, 952 01:03:24.400 --> 01:03:27.960 that's what I want, that's what they're really thinking of, and there 953 01:03:28.039 --> 01:03:31.079 was only moments of that. That's next over the Turner owned one. They 954 01:03:31.199 --> 01:03:36.559 loved Crockett so much that they thought turn if they could just replicate it just 955 01:03:36.719 --> 01:03:38.440 right, it would be hot wrestling again. And I'm not sure I was 956 01:03:38.480 --> 01:03:43.679 trying Vince. Yeah, and Vince because Vince understood television business and that's what 957 01:03:43.719 --> 01:03:45.840 they were in. Everybody in there was competing in the television business. And 958 01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:49.119 that's it. Very good. Well, Tom, always a pleasure to have 959 01:03:49.199 --> 01:03:52.840 you in the fold. Different flavor to a mailback episode. I love that 960 01:03:52.880 --> 01:03:57.840 we hit one of several uh triggers for you on this w CW topic. 961 01:03:58.559 --> 01:04:01.519 We're obliged to do it. We're obliged doing if everyone's talking about WCW, 962 01:04:01.760 --> 01:04:03.880 like you know, we've we've done too much work, Like we got to 963 01:04:03.880 --> 01:04:06.639 step forward and be like, hey, guys, we kind of try to 964 01:04:06.679 --> 01:04:10.599 answer all these questions already. What do you think about this? So, 965 01:04:10.800 --> 01:04:13.599 yeah, you've answered all the questions. It's all there. I tell I'm 966 01:04:13.599 --> 01:04:16.159 telling people go back listen to the archive. I think the conclusion of actually 967 01:04:16.199 --> 01:04:19.079 the laps fan is that Nash killed WCW. And that might be true too, 968 01:04:19.239 --> 01:04:21.360 So there you go. It could be. There's probably some truth. 969 01:04:21.400 --> 01:04:27.119 Man. I don't think. I certainly think he contributed. He definitely contributed. 970 01:04:27.199 --> 01:04:30.800 Kevin Nash did not resuscitate w CW. We can. I'll settle on 971 01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:33.360 that that's true. All right, Tom, always great to hear from you, 972 01:04:33.440 --> 01:04:36.000 Pal, talk again, say so much. All right, Yeah, 973 01:04:38.360 --> 01:04:44.639 it's Tom and the spot boss. That's right. So, I mean I 974 01:04:44.719 --> 01:04:47.960 think that's about enough on WCW. I don't know. Maybe more well, 975 01:04:47.960 --> 01:04:51.440 I don't know. They keep doing fucking specials like this. Yeah, we'll 976 01:04:51.480 --> 01:04:55.239 see. It brings a lot more up, you know, and people. 977 01:04:56.000 --> 01:05:00.840 Yeah, you know what's great about it is it's like it forces people to 978 01:05:00.920 --> 01:05:03.639 remember the little looks and cranny memories that contradict what people are saying today, 979 01:05:03.760 --> 01:05:08.679 like this idea that Stu Snyder was walking around saying he knew Fusian was never 980 01:05:08.760 --> 01:05:12.360 going to get the deal, saying that to people. And now let me 981 01:05:12.480 --> 01:05:17.440 tell you, let me tell you everybody. Everybody knew a deal wasn't going 982 01:05:17.519 --> 01:05:21.599 to happen in hindsight. I think it's true. Yeah, everybody did. 983 01:05:23.039 --> 01:05:26.559 Do you know any Do you know how many deals that I knew weren't going 984 01:05:26.599 --> 01:05:33.320 to happen in hindsight? And I could tell everybody exactly. You know, 985 01:05:34.360 --> 01:05:39.000 everybody knew it now, but they didn't know it then and they don't want 986 01:05:39.039 --> 01:05:43.719 to admit it. Yeah, it's uh, there's probably more there. I 987 01:05:43.760 --> 01:05:46.480 don't know. I think that Unfortunately that Jamie Callner has passed away. I 988 01:05:46.519 --> 01:05:49.599 think now everyone's going to blame him even more aggressively because he can't speak for 989 01:05:49.679 --> 01:05:51.719 himself and won't want to. I mean, he had the chance here, 990 01:05:51.760 --> 01:05:55.239 and you think you think he killed himself to avoid it this whole thing. 991 01:05:55.599 --> 01:05:58.239 No, I think maybe he said You think maybe he said, you know 992 01:05:58.280 --> 01:06:00.360 what, fuck it? Well, they're not saying Mabe did kill them. 993 01:06:00.400 --> 01:06:03.400 Maybe he's like, you know what, this fucking I don't want anything to 994 01:06:03.440 --> 01:06:06.440 do with it, you know what, don't treat me, just let me 995 01:06:06.519 --> 01:06:10.960 go. I think that's why latched fans are particularly well equipped to handle a 996 01:06:11.039 --> 01:06:15.079 subject like this because we're not we're not trying to leave unsaid the idea that 997 01:06:15.159 --> 01:06:18.039 we're wrestling fans, right, and that's probably why w CW went away. 998 01:06:18.719 --> 01:06:24.880 And but we're not afraid to constantly keep in mind the place that society holds 999 01:06:24.960 --> 01:06:28.239 us in. Yep, you know, you get it, you get you 1000 01:06:28.280 --> 01:06:32.719 get vulnerable to tricking yourself into speaking the language of television and feeling like you 1001 01:06:32.880 --> 01:06:36.400 know how things work based on studying wrestling. And that's fine and good, 1002 01:06:36.440 --> 01:06:43.039 But you're a wrestling fan, and that's the consumer that they're trying to appeal 1003 01:06:43.079 --> 01:06:45.599 to when they carry wrestling on their stations, and that's the consumer they cut 1004 01:06:45.679 --> 01:06:48.920 bait with when they cancel wrestling. Yes, and that is not a hard 1005 01:06:48.960 --> 01:06:55.639 consumer to cut bait with. No, Okay, it's just not. We're 1006 01:06:56.599 --> 01:07:00.440 we're easy in that regard and kill us. So we're breaking open the mail 1007 01:07:00.519 --> 01:07:03.079 bag. And if you remember the last time we did this back in the 1008 01:07:03.159 --> 01:07:05.880 spring, as we do sort of these sort of quarterly, our good pal 1009 01:07:05.960 --> 01:07:10.960 Christian Hollister had done sort of an omnibus death toll for ten years of TLF. 1010 01:07:11.000 --> 01:07:13.800 Remember that longest. Yes, yes, I do. It was long, 1011 01:07:13.880 --> 01:07:18.000 and that was a great note to end on. He had sent just 1012 01:07:18.039 --> 01:07:21.880 a quick update shortly after or around the time we had gone on the air, 1013 01:07:21.880 --> 01:07:26.159 and I'm sure this is longer now. Jimmie Kellner among them, but 1014 01:07:26.239 --> 01:07:29.119 I don't remember exactly who twenty twenty four had included at the time. But 1015 01:07:29.199 --> 01:07:32.079 we do have Virgil, we have only we have Paul Butchervershawan, we have 1016 01:07:32.159 --> 01:07:41.280 Jackie Crockett, a Cabono, the Undertaker, Toby Keith, the country star 1017 01:07:41.360 --> 01:07:45.519 who wants who superlex Jeff Jarrett in the first TNA show, and who actually 1018 01:07:45.599 --> 01:07:53.440 was in conversation for years about buying TNA. So yeah, that's always that's 1019 01:07:53.440 --> 01:07:57.119 always playing out. But we want to turn now to in other words, 1020 01:07:57.360 --> 01:08:00.400 Christian keeping coming, because that's just a great blood ole pulse check, you 1021 01:08:00.480 --> 01:08:02.400 know, we do. I like that. I like to you know, 1022 01:08:02.800 --> 01:08:08.840 it's good to remember. It's good to remember, uh, you know, 1023 01:08:09.800 --> 01:08:13.960 how many people have died since we've started doing the show. That's important. 1024 01:08:14.519 --> 01:08:17.560 It's so it's so it puts everything in a perspective. When you really see 1025 01:08:17.600 --> 01:08:21.479 that list laid bare, you're like, oh my god, like they're you 1026 01:08:21.560 --> 01:08:24.720 know, I know, it's weird. It's not that they died. It's 1027 01:08:24.800 --> 01:08:28.279 weird that when we started TLF, they were still alive and we were talking 1028 01:08:28.359 --> 01:08:31.640 about them like they they still could have new things to say, you know, 1029 01:08:31.720 --> 01:08:35.840 like the idea that when we started TLF that Roddy Piper might say something 1030 01:08:36.000 --> 01:08:40.319 we hadn't heard him say before, or Dusty Rhose. Right, it's just 1031 01:08:40.399 --> 01:08:42.399 like it doesn't I don't know. It just seems like they've been dead the 1032 01:08:42.399 --> 01:08:46.359 whole time. Yep, I know, I know, it's so true. 1033 01:08:47.159 --> 01:08:50.039 It's it's quite some when we get people writing and saying, I spent all 1034 01:08:50.079 --> 01:08:56.199 of my thirties with you, so let's see if we can spend if they 1035 01:08:56.239 --> 01:08:59.399 spend their forties with us, it hurts. It hurts. It hurts ship 1036 01:09:00.399 --> 01:09:02.079 me and I spent our thirties, my thirties with us, and we love 1037 01:09:02.159 --> 01:09:06.119 to get missives like this about kind of what it's like to watch the passage 1038 01:09:06.119 --> 01:09:10.640 of time as a wrestling fan, and who unlike the canceled television shows of 1039 01:09:10.680 --> 01:09:14.239 your like we talked to Tom about, you don't forget about the people that 1040 01:09:14.560 --> 01:09:16.520 impacted you on the wrestling screen quite like you forget about people who were on 1041 01:09:16.640 --> 01:09:20.960 you know, some two season hit television show. Right, they're still around, 1042 01:09:21.000 --> 01:09:24.920 They're still in the sauce. You still hear them, see them, 1043 01:09:24.960 --> 01:09:28.920 So they're still on the sauce. Well, it's this next email from our 1044 01:09:29.000 --> 01:09:31.520 pal Nate, or as it's written, some person in the great city of 1045 01:09:31.600 --> 01:09:44.039 somewhere had the following relative to the great Missy Hyatt. You have it, 1046 01:09:44.640 --> 01:09:45.279 Oh, I have it. Sorry, I didn't even hear it. Come 1047 01:09:45.279 --> 01:09:51.199 in my bad greetings, code chairs. After a brief scare, I'm able 1048 01:09:51.199 --> 01:09:56.319 to confirm firsthand that Missy Hyadd continues to live among us. Let me explain. 1049 01:09:57.760 --> 01:10:02.079 Having taken a shore excursion to Cosmel during the latest Jericho cruise, I 1050 01:10:02.199 --> 01:10:08.960 had the question mark pleasure I suppose of being on a shuttle bus right behind 1051 01:10:09.079 --> 01:10:14.640 Missy Hyatt and her goofy ass boyfriend. It's not nice. Well doesn't mean 1052 01:10:14.680 --> 01:10:16.960 it's not true. I really wish I could have gotten a pick of this 1053 01:10:17.119 --> 01:10:21.800 guy to send with this. The bf's wardrobe was actually so atrocious that it 1054 01:10:21.880 --> 01:10:28.119 took me several minutes to notice his ridiculous face. See what we've done, 1055 01:10:28.640 --> 01:10:32.199 See what I've done. Specifically, it's all about faces, ruining faces, 1056 01:10:32.319 --> 01:10:44.560 faces are completely completely. They determine, all right, not only you know, 1057 01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:48.039 they determine if you go into this this section of society or this section 1058 01:10:48.159 --> 01:10:56.680 of society. All right. Faces can break you, and they can make 1059 01:10:56.760 --> 01:11:00.600 you. Yeah, they can make you, you know, but man, 1060 01:11:00.880 --> 01:11:09.520 I mean more often than not they break you. So and the people wonder 1061 01:11:09.560 --> 01:11:15.279 why we're an audio only podcast. I know you damn right. He dressed 1062 01:11:15.319 --> 01:11:17.359 like a guy who thought the fresh Prince of bel Air was ice cube. 1063 01:11:18.439 --> 01:11:23.079 Oh God, that's quite a that. Wow. I can only imagine the 1064 01:11:23.159 --> 01:11:28.119 hilarious levels of disdain it would spark from me. Uh, Anyway, that's 1065 01:11:28.159 --> 01:11:30.600 not the point. First of all, Ms Hyatt, who insisted on wearing 1066 01:11:30.720 --> 01:11:35.079 high heels to the beach, fell down almost immediately upon reaching the resort. 1067 01:11:38.479 --> 01:11:43.640 As she stood there bleeding, you think she do you think she bladed herself? 1068 01:11:44.000 --> 01:11:46.319 You know, you can never make you think you think she tripped on 1069 01:11:46.439 --> 01:11:51.760 purpose in order to get heat and color. Oh, it was summertime, 1070 01:11:51.880 --> 01:11:57.640 so she got heat. And they're down in Mexico too, So on this 1071 01:11:57.760 --> 01:12:01.359 summer mail bag. She's sitting there bleeding. She and her boyfriend, who 1072 01:12:01.399 --> 01:12:09.359 I nicknamed Triple K. But why would that be I don't understand. Guy, 1073 01:12:09.479 --> 01:12:15.039 looks like it's like this all backwards. Just debated about how to clean 1074 01:12:15.119 --> 01:12:19.199 and dress the wound without having to pay any of the stacks, and I 1075 01:12:19.399 --> 01:12:24.279 don't know what they ended up doing, but eventually Missing had her shin wrapped 1076 01:12:24.359 --> 01:12:28.319 in gauze. I'm always so alarmed when I hear those stories slip out from 1077 01:12:28.319 --> 01:12:32.479 wrestlers over the years about how maniacally they had to try to prevent an ambulance 1078 01:12:32.520 --> 01:12:35.960 from picking them up because they couldn't afford the hospital stay, and how they 1079 01:12:36.000 --> 01:12:41.000 wrestle with like broken bones and they just heal in place and because they just 1080 01:12:41.000 --> 01:12:44.359 can't afford to go to the hospital. Like folks. Well, I mean 1081 01:12:44.399 --> 01:12:46.680 there is, there is some you know, it depends. I mean my 1082 01:12:47.000 --> 01:12:54.680 friend Mikey, you know, he's epileptic, and you know, I mean 1083 01:12:54.800 --> 01:12:57.680 it's different. It's not like a broken bone. He's not like also working 1084 01:12:57.720 --> 01:13:00.800 on a job. But you know he doesn't like he he can't stand it 1085 01:13:00.920 --> 01:13:02.720 when he when if people call an ambulance. Of course, no, I'm 1086 01:13:02.760 --> 01:13:08.319 not saying I'm not finding fault with the person for not calling the ambulance. 1087 01:13:08.520 --> 01:13:12.760 I'm finding fault with a business that people can't afford to go to the hospital 1088 01:13:12.760 --> 01:13:15.640 if they get hurt, and they get this engendered thing of like, you 1089 01:13:15.720 --> 01:13:18.279 know, no matter what, even if you fall on a cruise, let's 1090 01:13:18.359 --> 01:13:20.800 let's first the first thought is, let's k fabit so that you know, 1091 01:13:20.880 --> 01:13:24.000 we don't have to there's no bill at the end of this thing. Well, 1092 01:13:24.119 --> 01:13:29.159 what's ridiculous really is that you've got to You've got a business that where 1093 01:13:29.159 --> 01:13:32.960 they can't afford to do that, and their job is to put their body 1094 01:13:33.000 --> 01:13:36.319 in harms way. Correct, That's what I think about any fucking Yeah, 1095 01:13:36.399 --> 01:13:43.640 that totally is ridiculous when you think about any professional athlete that needs to you 1096 01:13:43.720 --> 01:13:45.600 know that that puts there. And honestly, you know, in many ways 1097 01:13:46.239 --> 01:13:53.479 there are not There aren't many athletes who put their their bodies and harms way 1098 01:13:53.560 --> 01:13:57.199 like a professional wrestler does. No, you know, no even try to 1099 01:13:57.279 --> 01:14:02.319 preserve your body. You try to prevent it from writing. I mean, 1100 01:14:02.640 --> 01:14:05.640 you know, but like, yeah, you guys doing you know one one 1101 01:14:06.319 --> 01:14:12.479 one little slip off the top rope and you could end you could land on 1102 01:14:12.600 --> 01:14:15.199 your head and break your neck. Yeah, I think you know, other 1103 01:14:15.239 --> 01:14:19.439 sports it's like even MMA, it's like the spectator is satisfied if you go 1104 01:14:19.600 --> 01:14:26.479 out there and and try to avoid injuring yourself. Yes, right, that 1105 01:14:26.640 --> 01:14:30.760 the spectator expects that of the athlete and respects that from the athlete. That 1106 01:14:30.880 --> 01:14:32.439 they wow. Not only did they do it, they did it with such 1107 01:14:32.479 --> 01:14:35.359 style that nobody even touched them. They didn't have to grit through it. 1108 01:14:35.479 --> 01:14:40.239 They did it, you know, with a plumb and it wasn't it wasn't 1109 01:14:40.319 --> 01:14:42.439 knockdown, drag out. They didn't get hurt or anything like that. And 1110 01:14:42.560 --> 01:14:45.600 people respect that. They respect when a fighter can go out there and not 1111 01:14:45.920 --> 01:14:48.439 have to they of course they respect it deeply. When he fights through hell 1112 01:14:48.520 --> 01:14:51.840 and gets his face destroyed and still wins a fight or fights work, they 1113 01:14:51.880 --> 01:14:56.840 respect that too. But it's not like it's not likely no one's going to 1114 01:14:56.920 --> 01:14:59.720 come to see you if you go out there and execute in a way where 1115 01:14:59.720 --> 01:15:03.159 you make no damage or you take no offense on you and you score over 1116 01:15:03.159 --> 01:15:08.000 and over again. Whereas in wrestling, no one satisfied unless you're putting yourself 1117 01:15:08.079 --> 01:15:12.079 on the line. No one satisfied unless you're risking injury with everything you do, 1118 01:15:12.960 --> 01:15:15.159 which is no one's going to come to a wrestling show if you wrestle 1119 01:15:15.239 --> 01:15:20.359 a match like you would wrestle it if you got paid to win, as 1120 01:15:20.359 --> 01:15:24.960 opposed to pay to entertain. And so that's what's perverse about it. It's 1121 01:15:25.000 --> 01:15:28.479 like a circus act, you know. It's like these guys and women can't 1122 01:15:28.560 --> 01:15:30.760 make a living. No one's gonna come to see them unless they put their 1123 01:15:30.000 --> 01:15:35.119 fucking lives on the line all the time and throw themselves willingly into into high 1124 01:15:35.199 --> 01:15:41.520 risk scenarios as opposed to get paid to avoid them and still succeed. They 1125 01:15:41.560 --> 01:15:45.960 get they get paid, they get paid less to put themselves in hum's way, 1126 01:15:46.159 --> 01:15:49.039 and when they get hurt, they can't think of anything else. But 1127 01:15:49.439 --> 01:15:53.720 how do I avoid going to the hospital? Ye? What a business? 1128 01:15:54.000 --> 01:15:57.039 How do I avoid paying a doctors? Brought a business? And what a 1129 01:15:57.119 --> 01:16:00.359 society that It almost makes you wonder why, uh, why there's no union 1130 01:16:00.399 --> 01:16:03.399 for these guys? You know? I wonder too about like wrestlers in the 1131 01:16:03.520 --> 01:16:06.960 UK, you know, where where healthcare is is socialized and covered one hundred 1132 01:16:06.960 --> 01:16:11.399 percent or Canada, do they have the same hang ups? I doubt it. 1133 01:16:11.520 --> 01:16:14.880 I mean, I'm sure there are some level of bill, but that's 1134 01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:16.720 that's a place to practice this craft where if you get hurt, you can 1135 01:16:16.760 --> 01:16:19.479 go to the hospital and not go fucking bankrupt. But that's it's a whole 1136 01:16:19.520 --> 01:16:25.319 other story. But it's so it's so pointed in the wrestler lifestyle in particular 1137 01:16:25.520 --> 01:16:28.520 that when when you said that, as this email just jumped right out to 1138 01:16:28.600 --> 01:16:32.279 me, that whole train of thought. Yep. Uh after lunch, I 1139 01:16:32.399 --> 01:16:36.960 was walking back from the pool bar with uh drinks from my wife and me 1140 01:16:38.119 --> 01:16:44.079 and I recognize a pair of volleyball sized implants as belong to miss You could 1141 01:16:44.159 --> 01:16:46.600 recognize the implants. That's they're kind of small. Actually I would have figured 1142 01:16:46.600 --> 01:16:51.800 they're more basketball signs. But okay, who was lying on a chair pool 1143 01:16:51.880 --> 01:16:56.159 side? In her? This is also like a what a weird? She 1144 01:16:56.319 --> 01:17:03.000 was weird lying on a chair? But she never that's stupid, that's that's 1145 01:17:03.159 --> 01:17:08.680 rude for her. Okay, but you're gonna say something else. This is 1146 01:17:08.720 --> 01:17:11.960 again this is one of those weird things. It's kind of like, you 1147 01:17:12.079 --> 01:17:19.119 know, in no other think about this too, in no other not that 1148 01:17:19.239 --> 01:17:23.760 at least that I know of. In terms of the entertainment business, in 1149 01:17:23.920 --> 01:17:35.640 terms of athletes and stuff, are there any public you know, outings like 1150 01:17:35.800 --> 01:17:45.239 this for like it's you don't do this ship old timer's. You know, 1151 01:17:45.279 --> 01:17:47.800 if they're not huge deals, they'll do autograph signings for like charity, they'll 1152 01:17:47.840 --> 01:17:51.520 do like card shows. But to like mingle with the fans for a week, 1153 01:17:51.600 --> 01:17:55.920 that's more. That's more like comic con like ship. That's more like 1154 01:17:56.159 --> 01:18:00.199 fan fantasy. That's that world more than it is the sports. But that 1155 01:18:00.600 --> 01:18:03.199 very that doesn't even happen there. I don't know, you know, like 1156 01:18:04.880 --> 01:18:08.760 you know, they do they do, have no, no totally, but 1157 01:18:09.000 --> 01:18:12.520 like this is like this kind of interaction because this is not even convention. 1158 01:18:13.039 --> 01:18:16.439 This is I bought a ticket on a cruise. Granted it's a wrestling cruise, 1159 01:18:17.039 --> 01:18:23.560 but and these people are here and we're together. We're together. I 1160 01:18:23.600 --> 01:18:26.439 don't know how long these cruises last, these Jericho cruises, but like a 1161 01:18:26.520 --> 01:18:30.600 week, like yeah, so, I mean you're you're like, it's so 1162 01:18:31.079 --> 01:18:36.640 weird to me. It's so weird, like the the in both ways and 1163 01:18:36.840 --> 01:18:45.960 in the amount of that that that that wrestling you know, wrestling wrestling stars 1164 01:18:46.119 --> 01:18:53.760 or you know, feel comfortable being around this many people, and they don't, 1165 01:18:53.840 --> 01:18:56.239 by the way, they don't, I mean just do it to get 1166 01:18:56.279 --> 01:19:00.560 their poems greased. I mean, look, she's but she's like, if 1167 01:19:00.560 --> 01:19:01.680 you don't feel comfortable, and I'm sorry, you don't go laying in the 1168 01:19:03.159 --> 01:19:05.000 let me let me get you know what, You're right, I don't mean 1169 01:19:05.039 --> 01:19:12.960 they don't feel comfortable. I mean they they have to be noticed, sure, 1170 01:19:13.600 --> 01:19:16.399 because if they're not noticed, they're nothing. That's what teach you. 1171 01:19:16.520 --> 01:19:19.640 And so they do this because they have to get noticed, not because they 1172 01:19:19.760 --> 01:19:24.920 want to be around these fans there, but there are still listen. But 1173 01:19:25.000 --> 01:19:30.159 the thing is, this is the thing. There are actors and athletes who 1174 01:19:31.279 --> 01:19:36.199 need to get noticed. They ain't doing this shit, yep, like they're 1175 01:19:36.239 --> 01:19:41.680 not. They're not because I mean because I mean, on a flip side, 1176 01:19:42.039 --> 01:19:47.000 the fans for the most part, are wrestling fans are very they're respectful. 1177 01:19:48.520 --> 01:19:53.039 You know, they don't necessarily you know, you know, you'd think 1178 01:19:53.119 --> 01:20:01.520 in a in a situation like this with any other level of celebrities, there 1179 01:20:01.520 --> 01:20:06.880 would be trouble going on. People would you know, bombard them with something. 1180 01:20:08.199 --> 01:20:10.039 Granted, I'm sure they'd have a ton of security as well, but 1181 01:20:10.439 --> 01:20:13.279 I don't know. There's something about this that is such a unique, bizarre 1182 01:20:14.199 --> 01:20:16.079 thing to me that really it's only wrestling in these, Yeah, like you'll 1183 01:20:16.199 --> 01:20:19.640 you'll you'll stand in the buffet line with a wrestler and not say a word 1184 01:20:19.720 --> 01:20:25.079 to them, and then you'll go like two three hours later and pay to 1185 01:20:25.159 --> 01:20:27.800 get their autograph and they were just standing right there and you didn't say a 1186 01:20:27.800 --> 01:20:30.319 word to them. You chatted with your friend about Oh my god, that's 1187 01:20:30.399 --> 01:20:34.680 whatever. That's true. The thing the one that I always can't I just 1188 01:20:35.039 --> 01:20:39.359 because it was I think it was because of my first experience really in that 1189 01:20:39.840 --> 01:20:47.279 type of environment, going to Shambourg and like seeing that. The one that 1190 01:20:47.399 --> 01:20:50.279 I always think of, it's the one that always gets in my mind is 1191 01:20:50.399 --> 01:20:58.720 just seeing animal walking around in his fucking face paint, Like there was something 1192 01:20:58.800 --> 01:21:04.119 about that that really like this is this is weird and on a whole different 1193 01:21:04.239 --> 01:21:09.039 level, it's like this is bizarre. I know, like people talk about 1194 01:21:09.079 --> 01:21:11.399 like why you're a wrestling fan, like do you think it's real? Like, 1195 01:21:11.479 --> 01:21:13.359 oh, do you like the action? Do you like the acting? 1196 01:21:13.439 --> 01:21:16.239 And it's like, yeah, I can explain why people watch wrestling in that 1197 01:21:16.359 --> 01:21:21.479 way, but there's more to it. When these kind of things happen on 1198 01:21:21.600 --> 01:21:25.000 the tail end of your career, when you're not even active in the ring 1199 01:21:25.039 --> 01:21:29.760 anymore and you're still going to these places, Like what's that about? You 1200 01:21:29.840 --> 01:21:31.880 know? Yeah, I mean there's a deeper, deeper level of concern, 1201 01:21:34.000 --> 01:21:39.640 you know that. I don't think people understand. I think and I think 1202 01:21:39.680 --> 01:21:43.479 the fan is just this damage, just the performances. Listen, Yeah, 1203 01:21:43.479 --> 01:21:45.079 because we're the ones who go to this shit, right, you know, 1204 01:21:45.399 --> 01:21:48.680 we're the ones who are like, oh, they're gonna be around guys who 1205 01:21:48.760 --> 01:21:53.520 haven't seen wrestle in twenty five years. Okay, there's going to be a 1206 01:21:53.600 --> 01:21:58.159 convention, uh, you know, at at the Sheridan next month and fucking 1207 01:21:58.239 --> 01:22:00.039 you know, not even in like a third tier city. Yeah, and 1208 01:22:00.279 --> 01:22:04.520 like you know, the the bench from the eighty seven Lakers is going to 1209 01:22:04.600 --> 01:22:10.199 be there. You want to go, no, like they you know, 1210 01:22:10.920 --> 01:22:15.840 but Rick Flair's robe from a fucking one match that he wrestled in in h 1211 01:22:15.039 --> 01:22:20.840 in Greensboro in nineteen eighty six is there, and I gotta go see that. 1212 01:22:21.199 --> 01:22:25.439 It's like going a hockey convention and everyone's walking around with their replica Stanley 1213 01:22:25.479 --> 01:22:30.760 cups like they just won the cup. Oh man, no one's doing that. 1214 01:22:31.439 --> 01:22:34.800 No one's doing that, no one, no one, No one carries 1215 01:22:35.079 --> 01:22:41.199 no one fucking wears, you know, a fucking fake souvenir, a super 1216 01:22:41.239 --> 01:22:47.840 Bowl ring around, all right, nobody fucking does that, but gotta walk 1217 01:22:47.880 --> 01:22:53.159 around with your fucking championship belts. I mean it's like you're, like I 1218 01:22:53.279 --> 01:22:55.279 pointed out, not to judge, but just to say, it's unique to 1219 01:22:55.279 --> 01:22:59.640 wrestling. What's that about. That's why people are so befuddled by wrestling fan 1220 01:22:59.800 --> 01:23:00.840 It's not just that, you know, they don't get that it's not real. 1221 01:23:00.960 --> 01:23:04.720 They don't understand like why people buy all this shit. You know, 1222 01:23:05.159 --> 01:23:08.760 I don't really either, honestly. I mean I don't. I don't need 1223 01:23:08.880 --> 01:23:11.720 and listening because time to explain to people that I'm not a fan that would 1224 01:23:11.720 --> 01:23:14.079 buy that stuff. And I don't know what that says about me, but 1225 01:23:14.680 --> 01:23:19.199 I just because because, you know, because what it comes down to for 1226 01:23:19.359 --> 01:23:24.720 me is really, am I I buy it? What am I gonna do 1227 01:23:24.800 --> 01:23:27.039 with it? You know? What are they gonna do with it? Well? 1228 01:23:27.199 --> 01:23:29.840 They walk around with it, acting like to the champion of the world. 1229 01:23:30.239 --> 01:23:33.079 Me. I'm like, I wouldn't do that, as we know, 1230 01:23:34.000 --> 01:23:40.239 and like, hell, I didn't even bring that aw a belt to fucking 1231 01:23:40.880 --> 01:23:44.960 you know, WrestleMania after right, it was so generously given by the afrementioned 1232 01:23:45.079 --> 01:23:48.399 Christian Hollister. Yes, indeed, even like they have those deals to do 1233 01:23:48.720 --> 01:23:53.239 the belts for the major sports. But if you ever see a fan with 1234 01:23:53.279 --> 01:23:55.119 one of those, Have you ever see one of the athletes holding one of 1235 01:23:55.159 --> 01:24:00.279 those, it's a laughline. It's like a he holds it. Yeah, 1236 01:24:00.319 --> 01:24:02.640 the wrestling in wrestling environments, it's dead serious. When you have one of 1237 01:24:02.680 --> 01:24:05.039 those things, it's like, whoa. It's like you pulled up with a 1238 01:24:05.079 --> 01:24:09.760 fucking sixty eight Corvette or something. WHOA, check this guy out? If 1239 01:24:09.800 --> 01:24:12.640 you fucking like, if you fucking made fun of a guy for walking around 1240 01:24:12.640 --> 01:24:15.760 with a championship bilt, that's kicked exactly or at the very least, you'd 1241 01:24:15.760 --> 01:24:18.800 be a pariah at these things. Right, What all you're doing is wondering 1242 01:24:18.840 --> 01:24:21.520 the same thing that ninety eight percent of the world wonders when they see it. 1243 01:24:21.680 --> 01:24:26.079 You know, it's hard to explain to people that that not all wrestling 1244 01:24:26.119 --> 01:24:29.199 fans get that part of it, you know. And this is kind of 1245 01:24:29.279 --> 01:24:30.800 in that same category of like, you know, wanting to share a cruise 1246 01:24:30.840 --> 01:24:35.439 boat with wrestlers. You did what well, Also, it's like also it's 1247 01:24:35.479 --> 01:24:40.000 like, but on the flip side, it's like Chris Jericho wants to share. 1248 01:24:40.279 --> 01:24:44.399 I mean he's you know, obviously doing it as a business venture, 1249 01:24:44.920 --> 01:24:50.600 but still he's like he's wanting to share a cruise with fans. Yeah, 1250 01:24:50.720 --> 01:24:54.600 I know, it's the cruise thing. Remember the aw A cruise when we 1251 01:24:54.640 --> 01:24:57.720 did Life and Death, there was like reference to it. Memphis did one. 1252 01:24:58.000 --> 01:25:00.479 I don't know, there's like some business model and the crew thing where 1253 01:25:00.520 --> 01:25:02.680 it's like all it is is really it's a convention on a boat. Though 1254 01:25:02.720 --> 01:25:05.880 it is. It's the same exact day Jericho started doing this, after the 1255 01:25:06.000 --> 01:25:10.640 you know, the star Cast conventions. Everything took took hold him was kind 1256 01:25:10.680 --> 01:25:14.000 of doing well. So like instead of people checking into a hotel and going 1257 01:25:14.039 --> 01:25:16.520 to the ballrooms to hear panels and to you know, have meet and greets, 1258 01:25:16.520 --> 01:25:18.439 they can just do it on a boat. And they had a ring 1259 01:25:18.520 --> 01:25:21.760 in there, and they even take a dynamite on the on that ship the 1260 01:25:21.800 --> 01:25:30.479 first year. There are a lot of practical measures that I understand. It's 1261 01:25:30.520 --> 01:25:33.920 still fucking weird. I have to agree with you. I never want I 1262 01:25:34.000 --> 01:25:38.199 never once enough cruised, you know, and I've liked it. I'm not 1263 01:25:38.279 --> 01:25:41.760 against cruising. I've had fun on cruises, but I didn't. I never 1264 01:25:41.800 --> 01:25:44.039 got the wrestling cruise. I never felt the pull to go to it. 1265 01:25:44.199 --> 01:25:47.079 I mean, I've never felt the pull to go to any Listen, if 1266 01:25:47.119 --> 01:25:53.239 we didn't go to go to those wrestle cons and ship for lapsed fans, 1267 01:25:54.199 --> 01:25:57.239 I wouldn't. Yeah, I wouldn't fucking go. I'd never I'd never go. 1268 01:25:57.359 --> 01:26:00.399 I have no interest in those things. I I I. Yeah, 1269 01:26:00.680 --> 01:26:08.039 like I value the entertainment that the wrestlers have provided me, but I don't 1270 01:26:08.279 --> 01:26:12.199 I'm not going to go there and buy a fucking autograph from some Also, 1271 01:26:12.319 --> 01:26:15.640 I also have no value. Like, to me, autographs are so not 1272 01:26:15.800 --> 01:26:17.760 valuable. They don't do anything for me. I know they don't. Like 1273 01:26:18.359 --> 01:26:21.399 I remember as a kid it was something different, like there was something about 1274 01:26:21.439 --> 01:26:24.560 it that I was like, oh my god. But now I'm like, 1275 01:26:24.600 --> 01:26:28.760 who gives a shit. Everyone's got something signed by their mom, you know. 1276 01:26:30.720 --> 01:26:34.199 Nice. So what was what was Missy doing besides laying on a chair? 1277 01:26:34.439 --> 01:26:42.640 I didn't I didn't assume she was telling the truth. Lying on a 1278 01:26:42.680 --> 01:26:47.479 chairpool side in her bikini, about six inches north of the aforementioned anatomy her 1279 01:26:47.560 --> 01:26:55.479 tits her basketball tits was Missy's face, her mouth slightly a gape, had 1280 01:26:55.720 --> 01:27:00.239 fallen to the right side and troops slightly forward, like she just fallen asleep 1281 01:27:00.279 --> 01:27:12.319 after Thanksgiving dinner. So and your point is nor any other totally North's next 1282 01:27:12.520 --> 01:27:17.840 the sky is blue. I was really hoping that, like, you know, 1283 01:27:18.680 --> 01:27:21.560 her her mouth was you know, he said, like a gape, 1284 01:27:21.600 --> 01:27:26.800 and just by the crack of her mouth it was drool just coming out. 1285 01:27:27.840 --> 01:27:33.319 That'd be fucking amazing. However, unlike Uncle Joe passed out after stuffing two 1286 01:27:33.479 --> 01:27:44.560 pounds of turkey down his gullet, eyes word wide open. Let's get that 1287 01:27:44.680 --> 01:27:49.600 fucking mail back, bitch, you know about it. Besides Na, she 1288 01:27:49.760 --> 01:27:58.880 was making this sound haig and no one, no one seeks medical attention for 1289 01:27:59.000 --> 01:28:15.760 it. Just Jericho Cruz hasn't even taken off yet. It's still anchored, 1290 01:28:15.000 --> 01:28:20.439 and it's already gotten to this point. It's not moving. Oh God. 1291 01:28:23.520 --> 01:28:28.239 I saw that my tracks about two feet in front of her, noting her 1292 01:28:28.359 --> 01:28:33.439 unfocused eyes and believing I had just discovered her untimely death. I stood there 1293 01:28:33.479 --> 01:28:38.119 for about five seconds, wondering if I should feel for a pulse and possibly 1294 01:28:38.439 --> 01:28:42.600 start just compression That is the problem with looking like you've been through some ship 1295 01:28:42.680 --> 01:28:45.600 in life is you can never take a nap in your car without someone calling 1296 01:28:45.680 --> 01:28:49.039 the fucking ambulance. Exactly. You listen, you you look like you've been 1297 01:28:49.079 --> 01:28:53.439 harmed or that you or that you're dead in there. Yeah, like you 1298 01:28:53.560 --> 01:28:56.960 know, that's the thing. When you've got a weathered, beaten face like 1299 01:28:57.079 --> 01:29:01.279 hers. Come on, I can't. I'm sorry. Look, the amount 1300 01:29:01.279 --> 01:29:04.600 of work she's had done in her face is like and her aging process as 1301 01:29:04.640 --> 01:29:08.560 well. It just is not done done well for her. I'm sorry, 1302 01:29:09.359 --> 01:29:14.560 I'm sorry, missy, but you should know better Vitunately for her, she's 1303 01:29:14.600 --> 01:29:16.119 a real one. She cast stones too, so she's got to be able 1304 01:29:16.199 --> 01:29:24.159 to take it. She's she'll talk plenty of shit, exactly. And you 1305 01:29:24.239 --> 01:29:27.720 know I gave her some money at one point. I got her fucking nudie 1306 01:29:27.760 --> 01:29:33.560 video there was with Sonny back in the day, such a you know, 1307 01:29:33.760 --> 01:29:46.319 you know there there was After after watching that one time, you really the 1308 01:29:46.399 --> 01:29:49.520 way that they all are and the way that you can see that they are 1309 01:29:49.680 --> 01:29:55.720 and they're just not well. None of the women in that video were well 1310 01:29:56.960 --> 01:30:03.399 and it's just not fun. The second time, you know, you go 1311 01:30:03.600 --> 01:30:08.279 back, and she's got like you really can't, you know, and I 1312 01:30:08.399 --> 01:30:10.119 try to, you know, I'm like, okay, you know, like 1313 01:30:10.199 --> 01:30:13.159 this is I mean, what's the watch. It's just a fucking just stripping. 1314 01:30:13.199 --> 01:30:15.399 It's like a poon in a fucking strip club. But you know, 1315 01:30:15.079 --> 01:30:19.159 but like it's like, you know, but then when you look, it's 1316 01:30:19.199 --> 01:30:29.039 like they're they're just not well and you can see it in their face and 1317 01:30:29.439 --> 01:30:31.680 and you're just kind of like, I don't think I should have this video. 1318 01:30:34.720 --> 01:30:44.279 Oh that's a riot. That's a riot. So true. As I 1319 01:30:44.359 --> 01:30:47.239 moved along, Miss Hyatt's open eyes remained unfocused, and I don't think she 1320 01:30:47.359 --> 01:30:51.000 had even noticed me stopping right in front of her lounge chair to check for 1321 01:30:51.560 --> 01:30:56.199 her for signs of life. I can't say for sure if she normally sleeps 1322 01:30:56.239 --> 01:31:03.239 with her eyes open, like some kind of soul is ghoul? This guy's 1323 01:31:03.319 --> 01:31:08.479 bringing it. He's fucking bringing it. Okay, have you ever have you 1324 01:31:08.600 --> 01:31:13.520 ever? Have you ever fall asleep with your eyes open? No one's told 1325 01:31:13.560 --> 01:31:15.640 me I have. I don't know how I would know. I'll tell you, 1326 01:31:15.800 --> 01:31:17.680 well, I'll tell you what I think. I don't know if I 1327 01:31:17.760 --> 01:31:24.199 have or not, But I think I have one time, because I vaguely 1328 01:31:24.399 --> 01:31:31.479 remember being in a weird place of dreaming but also seeing what was right in 1329 01:31:31.560 --> 01:31:36.079 front of me and not moving. It was very bizarre, And then kind 1330 01:31:36.119 --> 01:31:39.479 of woke up and I was like, Oh, I'm looking at this exact 1331 01:31:39.520 --> 01:31:42.239 same thing that I thought I was dreaming about, but it's like right here. 1332 01:31:42.640 --> 01:31:49.039 It's very bizarre, but anyway, some cool, but I, for 1333 01:31:49.119 --> 01:31:51.960 one, preferred to thing. She was rendered into such a state of waking, 1334 01:31:53.560 --> 01:31:59.399 of waking unawareness by some fruity tropical drinks artfully paired with some other fancy 1335 01:31:59.479 --> 01:32:02.960 gimmicks from the Fanny pasture. Who knows, Maybe she actually did see me 1336 01:32:03.119 --> 01:32:06.359 check to see if she was alive. Maybe it happens all the time, 1337 01:32:08.239 --> 01:32:11.840 or maybe she just thinks I was checking out her tits. I was not. 1338 01:32:13.159 --> 01:32:15.079 If I were a funnier guy, this email would have done better justice 1339 01:32:15.079 --> 01:32:19.560 to the strangess of believing the soul of an iconic NWA personality from the nineteen 1340 01:32:19.600 --> 01:32:27.319 eighties nineties had just discorporated before my eyes. Alas, I'm just not that 1341 01:32:27.479 --> 01:32:30.840 funny, Oh pretty damn funny. But I suspect the world class whad from 1342 01:32:30.880 --> 01:32:35.159 the Coaches will go along way to overcome whatever deficiency. I haven't matter, 1343 01:32:35.680 --> 01:32:40.560 consider it done. Path. Yes, Lastly, I wish for all members 1344 01:32:40.560 --> 01:32:44.600 of the soul system a life filled with real peace and fake violence. And 1345 01:32:44.720 --> 01:32:48.119 may the Warlord have mercy on your filthy souls and justice's case. This makes 1346 01:32:48.159 --> 01:32:54.399 it way back to that circle. I shall remain anonymous this time. Yours 1347 01:32:54.439 --> 01:32:58.399 truly some person from the great city of somewhere. I fucking love it so 1348 01:32:58.520 --> 01:33:00.680 much, fucking amazing. I mean, that's what we're here for, to 1349 01:33:00.840 --> 01:33:06.039 have a place for thoughts like that and missives like that to land yep. 1350 01:33:06.359 --> 01:33:09.880 You know, if you're ever in a situation is wrestling fan where you're like 1351 01:33:10.079 --> 01:33:13.159 I am, I need to get out of this situation. This is not 1352 01:33:13.600 --> 01:33:16.359 enjoyable. Just think, well, actually, it'll make a hilarious letter to 1353 01:33:16.439 --> 01:33:20.239 TLF yep, that's right, and then proceed, yes, and then send 1354 01:33:20.319 --> 01:33:24.640 it to the lapsed fan at gmail dot com please, so when that fucking 1355 01:33:24.720 --> 01:33:29.399 mail bag gets cracked open again, we're in business and as we always do 1356 01:33:29.399 --> 01:33:30.680 when feedback shows, we need to thank the people that have joined us at 1357 01:33:30.720 --> 01:33:33.760 Patreon dot com slash the lapsed fan. The thing that makes this the envy 1358 01:33:33.800 --> 01:33:39.760 of podcasting. The thing that makes this hum the difference between own podcast and 1359 01:33:39.960 --> 01:33:43.359 ten years of relentless pounding. That's right. It's the support of fans on 1360 01:33:43.439 --> 01:33:45.520 Patreon. We know you're there, You vote with your wallets, and ain't 1361 01:33:45.560 --> 01:33:49.880 nobody going to throw us off course or give us the sense that we're lesser 1362 01:33:50.000 --> 01:33:55.880 than or that we're we're hitting a ceiling or anything like that, because the 1363 01:33:55.960 --> 01:34:00.840 support is there and we don't need any third validation. We simply do not. 1364 01:34:01.680 --> 01:34:04.880 We just keep casting for those who keep proving that they want it. 1365 01:34:05.319 --> 01:34:10.760 It's a beautiful thing. Folks like Liam McGrath stepping up and joining that executive 1366 01:34:10.800 --> 01:34:14.159 producer here. Thank you to Liam, Thank you to Joe, TOI de 1367 01:34:14.399 --> 01:34:20.239 Tolvey for recently joining us. Travis writes to us, I apologize in advance 1368 01:34:20.279 --> 01:34:24.439 for the possible rambling nature of this email, but I wanted to reach out 1369 01:34:24.439 --> 01:34:27.079 to you guys to let you know with a podcast and the effort that you 1370 01:34:27.119 --> 01:34:29.760 guys have put in is meant to me. I know I titled my email 1371 01:34:29.840 --> 01:34:31.479 TLFX testimonial, but I don't need this to be read on the show. 1372 01:34:31.920 --> 01:34:34.520 If you guys would like to for some reason, you're absolutely welcome to share 1373 01:34:34.600 --> 01:34:39.279 this. I've been a listener since the late summer of twenty fourteen. Wow. 1374 01:34:40.039 --> 01:34:45.279 Wow, fucking that's old school pretty us day one, so I'm probably 1375 01:34:45.279 --> 01:34:46.880 one of the longer tenured listeners of the show. I was a twenty one 1376 01:34:46.960 --> 01:34:50.000 year old who was in college and an Observer subscriber and found you guys through 1377 01:34:50.000 --> 01:34:54.000 the clips that Brian and Dave would play of the main's journey on Observer Radio. 1378 01:34:54.399 --> 01:34:56.800 I heard Dave talking to someone who seemed very knowledgeable of the business, 1379 01:34:56.800 --> 01:34:59.159 and I knew I needed to hear what this was all about. Little did 1380 01:34:59.199 --> 01:35:02.119 I know that I just discovered the soundtrack of my twenties. That's right. 1381 01:35:02.439 --> 01:35:05.239 Immediately, I knew that this was my kind of show. Four hour podcasts 1382 01:35:05.239 --> 01:35:10.000 signed me up my boring part time job the college led to me killing tons 1383 01:35:10.000 --> 01:35:12.039 of time, and with you guys in my ears, had made the day 1384 01:35:12.079 --> 01:35:15.960 go by so quickly. Boss. We are here for boring jobs. Absolutely 1385 01:35:15.279 --> 01:35:18.680 without boring jobs. We ain't shit, damn right. I was a lapsed 1386 01:35:18.720 --> 01:35:21.439 fan in my own reguard watched from twenty oh three to seven, and I 1387 01:35:21.520 --> 01:35:26.079 was catching up an Attitude era and Slash Golden era wrestling through the WW network, 1388 01:35:26.279 --> 01:35:29.000 so the depths of research that Jack would undertake was extremely impressive and much 1389 01:35:29.039 --> 01:35:30.840 appreciated. I enjoyed the first episodes of the Main's Journey, but what really 1390 01:35:30.880 --> 01:35:34.279 hooked me was when lapsed. Vince was conspiring with Patterson to get Brett Hart 1391 01:35:34.319 --> 01:35:41.760 back to the WW not because of financial reasons not to let bygones be bygones, 1392 01:35:42.079 --> 01:35:45.560 but because he wanted to have Sean put Brett into the sharpshooter. Vince 1393 01:35:45.640 --> 01:35:54.520 wanted to ring the fucking bell, and he wanted to drop Owens bones from 1394 01:35:54.600 --> 01:36:00.800 the ceiling onto Brett. I mean, that's I mean, I still have 1395 01:36:00.920 --> 01:36:04.800 to stop myself when I hear that that we that we that we put that 1396 01:36:04.880 --> 01:36:09.239 out there in the anniverse, that that we uh, that that that that 1397 01:36:09.399 --> 01:36:14.159 that little that that little uh. Those are the leaps of faith all the 1398 01:36:14.199 --> 01:36:18.760 way, honestly, that the little joke that we had from college. Fucking 1399 01:36:19.159 --> 01:36:23.079 I mean, those are the leaps of faith that there are so many times 1400 01:36:23.119 --> 01:36:25.640 over the course of these ten years, like can we should we tell that 1401 01:36:25.760 --> 01:36:29.640 joke? Like that's that's not for everybody, man, and like we found 1402 01:36:29.680 --> 01:36:31.439 out that like you know, no, I mean, we know you guys 1403 01:36:32.239 --> 01:36:38.680 do it in a in a spirit that's not you know, strictly designed to 1404 01:36:38.760 --> 01:36:43.119 offend, right, and so people are with it, man, like, 1405 01:36:43.399 --> 01:36:45.800 that's that's one thing. Every time we've like taken a risk, people have 1406 01:36:45.840 --> 01:36:48.000 been like, yep, that's yeah, that's that's who I am too. 1407 01:36:48.279 --> 01:36:51.680 I I can't help it. That's what I think is funny too, almost 1408 01:36:51.720 --> 01:36:56.279 ten years late. And it's not just that. It's not just that image. 1409 01:36:56.319 --> 01:37:01.439 It's the absurdity, right eat, absurdity for humor to work. It's 1410 01:37:01.439 --> 01:37:04.880 the absurdity of the fact because again, if you picture it in your mind, 1411 01:37:05.000 --> 01:37:10.079 not about that being funny, it's about Vince doing it. Right, 1412 01:37:10.680 --> 01:37:14.720 you think about that he was able, That Vince was able. Number one, 1413 01:37:14.840 --> 01:37:16.880 this was because this is back in you know what two thousand and two 1414 01:37:16.960 --> 01:37:21.239 when we first came up with this idea. So the likelihood of Brett Hart 1415 01:37:21.319 --> 01:37:26.520 ever coming back was so right, you know, that was absurdity too in 1416 01:37:26.600 --> 01:37:29.239 there, right, the absurdity right there was that Brett Hard you know, 1417 01:37:29.359 --> 01:37:33.199 there's no way he's ever come back. And then the absurdity that that Vince 1418 01:37:33.279 --> 01:37:43.319 was able to talk Brett into letting Sean too. I know, like that 1419 01:37:43.439 --> 01:37:50.359 already is a non starter, like right there, top it all off, 1420 01:37:53.840 --> 01:38:00.039 the fucking bones of so vincing man either himself or hired somebody to dig up 1421 01:38:00.880 --> 01:38:05.199 owen Heart's corpse. I mean, look, okay, I don't know what 1422 01:38:05.359 --> 01:38:09.720 to say. I don't know what to say. Besides, it was said, 1423 01:38:09.840 --> 01:38:14.920 you know, and then you decided to put it up because he's that 1424 01:38:15.039 --> 01:38:19.760 fucking nia party. Just take away, take away the emotional resonance of a 1425 01:38:19.800 --> 01:38:23.520 being Owen and you know, everyone being very sad about what happened to him. 1426 01:38:23.800 --> 01:38:26.119 Just like make a make up a character in your head like that. 1427 01:38:26.239 --> 01:38:30.680 Mister Burns would take the brother's bones, like you know, just to get 1428 01:38:30.680 --> 01:38:32.840 it back and back at somebody. Just disembody it from your feelings about Owen, 1429 01:38:32.920 --> 01:38:36.479 and you might be able to get to the dark, huber place that 1430 01:38:39.000 --> 01:38:41.119 we were then. Almost ten years later, and I still look back on 1431 01:38:41.159 --> 01:38:44.159 the moment I first heard that he writes and smile. I laugh for a 1432 01:38:44.239 --> 01:38:46.279 solid five minutes and look like an absolute lunatic to everyone around me. But 1433 01:38:46.279 --> 01:38:49.319 I couldn't dare tell anyone what I was laughing about, because how can I 1434 01:38:49.479 --> 01:38:53.760 possibly explain that scenario to anyone? Yeah, you heard me, fucking fumble 1435 01:38:53.800 --> 01:38:56.640 around trying to do it in the past ten minutes. It's not easy. 1436 01:38:57.800 --> 01:39:00.119 JP's impressions and it's work on all laps characters. I've been an absolute masterpiece. 1437 01:39:00.119 --> 01:39:02.439 The research that Jack puts in for the main show and the research that 1438 01:39:02.520 --> 01:39:05.880 JP does or the Cinemat episodes are nothing short of amazing. You guys had 1439 01:39:05.880 --> 01:39:10.560 been in my ears NonStop for the past ten years, through jobs, relationships, 1440 01:39:10.680 --> 01:39:13.000 moves, and even my wedding. On the morning of my wedding in 1441 01:39:13.039 --> 01:39:15.960 twenty twenty one, I actually listened to an episode of TLF while preparing for 1442 01:39:15.039 --> 01:39:18.159 my wedding. You guys help me call my nerves and anxiety in that moment, 1443 01:39:18.199 --> 01:39:20.920 and I'll be forever thankful. For the past six years, I worked 1444 01:39:20.920 --> 01:39:24.720 in the oil and gas industries and accountant, which means I spent a large 1445 01:39:24.760 --> 01:39:27.600 portion of my day with my AirPods in. Naturally, I had TLF and 1446 01:39:27.640 --> 01:39:30.159 Cinemat on a constant rotation in my ears and other orifices. I recently got 1447 01:39:30.239 --> 01:39:33.119 laid off and it's been one of the hardest experiences of my lifetimes. Of 1448 01:39:33.199 --> 01:39:35.840 my life. Rather, I won't make you guys suffer through the agony porn 1449 01:39:35.920 --> 01:39:39.319 that many members of the Solar System are keen to send you guys, So 1450 01:39:39.600 --> 01:39:43.279 I'll just leave at it saying that things were not going well aside from my 1451 01:39:43.319 --> 01:39:45.319 wife, one of the only other things that got me out of bed and 1452 01:39:45.359 --> 01:39:46.920 got me through the day with TLF, which I know sounds like a ridiculous 1453 01:39:46.960 --> 01:39:50.039 thing to say about a podcast, especially a podcast involving people that I've never 1454 01:39:50.119 --> 01:39:53.920 met and probably will never meet. But the laughs and the smiles that you 1455 01:39:53.960 --> 01:39:57.199 guys were able to give me got me through some of the darker days During 1456 01:39:57.239 --> 01:40:00.319 my unemployment. I dove deep into journeys, starting with the Funker, than 1457 01:40:00.399 --> 01:40:02.640 moving on to Sandy Shores for the World Class Journey, and most recently, 1458 01:40:02.680 --> 01:40:06.119 I just finished another word listen of the TNH Tour. Despite a financial hardship, 1459 01:40:06.119 --> 01:40:10.199 I couldn't bring myself to change my Patreon subscription. I feel that the 1460 01:40:10.279 --> 01:40:13.359 work that you guys put into this project and this source of happiness should be 1461 01:40:13.479 --> 01:40:16.479 rewarded properly. Again, apologize for it. It's probably a poorly written and 1462 01:40:16.560 --> 01:40:19.359 rambling email, not at all by the way, Travis, but I start 1463 01:40:19.680 --> 01:40:23.880 at my new position on Thursday, and I felt compelled to reach out to 1464 01:40:23.920 --> 01:40:28.319 you guys to know that the work you put in is appreciated and has helped 1465 01:40:28.319 --> 01:40:30.800 people in ways that you guys probably never could have imagined when you started this 1466 01:40:30.880 --> 01:40:34.520 project ten years ago. Well, that is correct. I know you guys 1467 01:40:34.560 --> 01:40:36.920 both have family, so it's very much appreciated that you take the time to 1468 01:40:36.960 --> 01:40:41.319 make a podcast for all of us degenerates. You guys are fucking amazing. 1469 01:40:41.399 --> 01:40:44.279 Thank you for being the soundtrack of my twenties. Thank you for re kindling 1470 01:40:44.319 --> 01:40:45.920 my love of wrestling, and thank you for ho Commania. That's a shoot, 1471 01:40:45.960 --> 01:40:49.920 brother, Yep, that's a shoot, and what a strange thing to 1472 01:40:50.319 --> 01:40:54.600 bond over. But you never can tell, so true, you never can 1473 01:40:54.720 --> 01:40:58.800 tell what line that comes out of our fucking mouth sometimes is going to be 1474 01:40:58.840 --> 01:41:01.439 the way. Oh my god, Matthew McKinney, thank you very much for 1475 01:41:01.520 --> 01:41:04.319 the pledge. We appreciate the support. My friend Willie Thompson, welcome into 1476 01:41:04.319 --> 01:41:08.039 the Patreon in our circle. We appreciate it. Kaypeope. We know who's 1477 01:41:08.039 --> 01:41:10.960 such a great supporter out in Hawaii. We always love to hear from him. 1478 01:41:11.640 --> 01:41:13.800 I think there's a letter in the bag once again from him this quarter, 1479 01:41:13.840 --> 01:41:15.520 and we want to thank you for recently upping your support William Webbrights on 1480 01:41:15.560 --> 01:41:18.840 Patreon. I just spent five days in the hospital getting pumped full of antibiotics 1481 01:41:18.880 --> 01:41:21.840 and steroids for an infected knee, and tilef was there for me, filling 1482 01:41:21.920 --> 01:41:26.840 my ear and my rear. So much of that over the decade, so 1483 01:41:27.000 --> 01:41:31.039 much of that, so much of that shit, literally shit. Alexander Bogden, 1484 01:41:31.159 --> 01:41:35.079 thank you very much for your pledge adx ad X three. I always 1485 01:41:35.079 --> 01:41:39.960 love to see that big bump up all the way to our elite tier, 1486 01:41:40.159 --> 01:41:43.079 ladies and gentlemen, the mother of all teers, the Moat tier. It 1487 01:41:43.359 --> 01:41:45.880 it's a pretty penny, but it sends a strong signal to your coach. 1488 01:41:46.239 --> 01:41:50.079 So this is this is forever worth doing. Put you puts you on a 1489 01:41:50.159 --> 01:41:54.960 different on a different level, if you will. Yeah, literally, and 1490 01:41:55.119 --> 01:41:57.840 that spirit, as we like to do when we convene for the mail bag, 1491 01:41:58.039 --> 01:42:00.640 a quick rundown of the honor roll of folks that as we record this 1492 01:42:01.720 --> 01:42:06.960 aren said tier and are willing to signal that it's worth a premium. I 1493 01:42:08.039 --> 01:42:10.159 think on par with no other podcast. I mean, I don't know, 1494 01:42:10.680 --> 01:42:13.760 I mean, I know there are technically tears at this level with the other 1495 01:42:13.800 --> 01:42:15.279 pods, but are not sure it's as well populated, so we need to 1496 01:42:15.359 --> 01:42:19.439 thank the elite like Abel Lettier at Adam Graver and Ada eighty x three and 1497 01:42:19.520 --> 01:42:25.359 Aiden Kevelhan and Alan Smith and Andy Toff and Austin King Sliver and Austin Tyson 1498 01:42:25.439 --> 01:42:29.640 and Blake Downing and Brad and Brandon Kaiser and Brennan Moe and Brian Blake and 1499 01:42:29.680 --> 01:42:33.479 Brian Hinz and Chris Harris and Christopher Creva and Chuck Piacio and cold Stone, 1500 01:42:33.520 --> 01:42:39.119 Steve Austin and David Cammonester and David Style and Dennis and Dominic Carrera and Hal 1501 01:42:39.239 --> 01:42:43.520 Cogan and Intern Matt and James Irwin and Jim Rocco and John Francis and Justin 1502 01:42:43.600 --> 01:42:47.199 Davenport and Kevin Millis and Christopher Craig and Louis Perez and Mark Daper and Martin 1503 01:42:47.239 --> 01:42:51.199 Ferguson and Marty Longhurst. What about Mike Hornecker and Monty Davis Junior, Nathan 1504 01:42:51.319 --> 01:42:56.600 pedro Rios, Pete Cosey, Peter j Panico, Peter Rustling, r Ronaldi, 1505 01:42:57.000 --> 01:43:00.720 Robert Holtzhammer, Ryan Baal, Sam Fairbanks, Scott Galler, Scott Michael 1506 01:43:00.760 --> 01:43:06.600 Ferry Sean McGear, Stephen Laird, Tom, that's Nasio, Tom, Travis 1507 01:43:06.960 --> 01:43:14.359 Vernon, Somosa, William Murphy, Zach Madris, Zach gollaher zvs Choir and 1508 01:43:14.479 --> 01:43:17.319 that's the elite, that's the Mote Tier and Boss. They have been treated 1509 01:43:18.000 --> 01:43:24.840 to the most wholesome of sessions between you and Maria Sorrow. Oh yes, 1510 01:43:24.920 --> 01:43:28.600 indeed, so Mamia every Monday for the Mote Tier, only recently celebrating. 1511 01:43:28.680 --> 01:43:33.000 Tell him about it. The one hundredth episode, one hundred episodes and the 1512 01:43:33.760 --> 01:43:42.359 big one it was Kobashi versus Joe. You were there and it was the 1513 01:43:42.560 --> 01:43:45.039 first time well I think it was the first time at least that I that. 1514 01:43:45.600 --> 01:43:49.279 I think we maybe watched one match before as a warm up one, 1515 01:43:50.000 --> 01:43:55.840 but the first time you've been on wreussell Mamia. And then we also showed 1516 01:43:56.640 --> 01:44:04.760 me getting chopt by Kobashi and I'm I'm absolutely loving some of the comments, 1517 01:44:04.920 --> 01:44:13.520 by the way, that but some of them someone saying on purpose, my 1518 01:44:13.680 --> 01:44:17.920 mom said that about me getting chopped purpose. Yes, yes, she's like, 1519 01:44:18.800 --> 01:44:25.640 you know, she gets that that extremely horrified look like what what and 1520 01:44:25.800 --> 01:44:28.840 does she or does she not say? He hit you right in your neck 1521 01:44:28.960 --> 01:44:43.600 chest did save my neck chest. Oh man, that's that's just phenomenal. 1522 01:44:43.680 --> 01:44:45.920 Most recently, though, I will say we did do U. There was 1523 01:44:46.000 --> 01:44:54.359 a Hulk Hogan versus a job or match from w Championship Wrestling that was dropped. 1524 01:44:54.399 --> 01:44:59.840 And you know, every week, every Monday, you can enjoy everyone 1525 01:45:00.199 --> 01:45:02.840 morning, you can enjoy watching a match with me and my mom. So 1526 01:45:03.000 --> 01:45:05.920 very hashtag lapsed away to start your week. If I do see some of 1527 01:45:05.960 --> 01:45:10.520 myself and yeah, it's it's what it sounds like. Man, it's getting 1528 01:45:10.560 --> 01:45:13.039 back in the living room carpet with your family in the room wondering. Oh 1529 01:45:13.119 --> 01:45:15.479 Jesus, it's wrestling time for the little one. Okay, well what is 1530 01:45:15.520 --> 01:45:17.479 this all about? Oh? That looks so foolish. What is that? 1531 01:45:17.640 --> 01:45:20.039 How does that even work? What are the rules? But that's the point 1532 01:45:20.399 --> 01:45:24.840 that the parents who over time ask so much questions that you realize they're actually 1533 01:45:25.000 --> 01:45:29.560 kind of into it. Yep, actually kind of into it. But it 1534 01:45:29.640 --> 01:45:31.319 can create that distance, Like the only reason I'm watching it because my kid 1535 01:45:31.319 --> 01:45:34.760 I would never watch it. They're they're they're nervous to to to have this 1536 01:45:34.920 --> 01:45:40.039 go around a little besides this little area, I don't want people to know 1537 01:45:40.119 --> 01:45:44.640 that right. Let's not talk about this outside, okay, don't don't tell 1538 01:45:44.640 --> 01:45:51.359 your father about this and this is We'll leave it there. Brother, that's 1539 01:45:51.399 --> 01:45:56.800 correct too. Well, Scott, want to thank you for the increase in 1540 01:45:56.840 --> 01:45:59.880 pledge. Thanks for that bump pow, Chris Hide, and we appreciate uh 1541 01:46:00.119 --> 01:46:02.880 the recent increase in denomination as well. Joe Gavin, thank you for your 1542 01:46:02.920 --> 01:46:05.880 support. Same to you, Gerrik Taylor. We want to say thank you 1543 01:46:06.000 --> 01:46:12.640 to play Mark and Gilbert writes to us hell of CoA chairs. Hard to 1544 01:46:12.680 --> 01:46:15.600 believe it's been ten years, but I've been a fan for all ten found 1545 01:46:15.640 --> 01:46:17.720 the podcast when it was on Wrestle's Own and have followed Jack for years before 1546 01:46:17.760 --> 01:46:20.199 that. Jack remember Lutfi, of course I do. My good bet let 1547 01:46:20.279 --> 01:46:24.039 vie. I would call in in the triangle choke, that's what we call 1548 01:46:24.079 --> 01:46:28.199 the Wrestling of THEMMA show. And then to downloaded Jack's rewind on the dog, 1549 01:46:28.319 --> 01:46:30.840 the shirt dog that is Jack MMA used to be better. Give me 1550 01:46:30.920 --> 01:46:33.840 an Iceman or t us gsp bj Anders and silver Brock listener over to Poria 1551 01:46:34.680 --> 01:46:41.720 Drick is due to Plasus and Pennington. Yeah, well I don't know I 1552 01:46:42.359 --> 01:46:45.239 understand what you mean. I do it's just a real sport though. That's 1553 01:46:45.279 --> 01:46:48.199 the thing about MMA, like it used to be better. Sure, but 1554 01:46:48.399 --> 01:46:53.239 like you can't blame UFC for like what the fighter, you know what I 1555 01:46:53.279 --> 01:46:56.439 mean, how the fighters evolve that book? Not really. I mean, 1556 01:46:57.119 --> 01:47:00.600 yeah, they can book for fan friendliness and to put you know, personalities 1557 01:47:00.600 --> 01:47:04.000 together on grudge matches. But it's become such a top ten kind of game, 1558 01:47:04.079 --> 01:47:06.439 you know what I mean, like with rankings and stuff. Sure, 1559 01:47:08.119 --> 01:47:12.239 it's not overly it's not overly prescriptive like boxing is in that category. But 1560 01:47:13.640 --> 01:47:15.720 I don't know, I just I don't. I don't think of it in 1561 01:47:15.760 --> 01:47:19.399 the same way. And that it's like you can't. It's not creative decisions 1562 01:47:19.479 --> 01:47:23.439 that made it better, you know, it's a kind of movie. I 1563 01:47:23.560 --> 01:47:26.239 have had my run ins with wrestlers throughout my years, he writes, but 1564 01:47:26.319 --> 01:47:28.840 they don't fit a specific episode, so I wanted to share some. I 1565 01:47:29.000 --> 01:47:31.319 dated Eddie Guerrero's a niece my senior year in high school. Uh oh wow. 1566 01:47:31.960 --> 01:47:34.640 When he was in the we One of my best friends once approached her 1567 01:47:34.640 --> 01:47:38.159 and said, hey, your uncle does steroids. Huh. But when the 1568 01:47:38.159 --> 01:47:40.920 wrestlers came to town, some would stay with her. She once famously housed 1569 01:47:40.960 --> 01:47:44.399 Sting in Luger. I met the Rock at a Taco bell stone cold at 1570 01:47:44.399 --> 01:47:46.399 a Waterburger, had a beer with Mark Henry, and saw the Undertaker at 1571 01:47:46.399 --> 01:47:49.039 a softball game. Over the years. Wow, my dad was a painter, 1572 01:47:49.119 --> 01:47:51.319 and one day he said, we got a new guy at work and 1573 01:47:51.359 --> 01:47:54.800 he used to work for one of those fake wrestling shows you watched. Oh 1574 01:47:55.239 --> 01:47:57.600 my God. Asked my dad if I could tag along and he said yes. 1575 01:47:57.760 --> 01:48:00.000 I meant this Carney when I tagged along in my Okay, I met 1576 01:48:00.039 --> 01:48:02.439 this Carne when I tagged along with my dad. He hated the w B 1577 01:48:02.600 --> 01:48:06.039 and said Vince would run it into the ground, but WCW that was where 1578 01:48:06.079 --> 01:48:09.960 he watched. I asked him who he wrestled. After a bunch of bullshit, 1579 01:48:10.000 --> 01:48:12.640 he told me Dusty Rhads ended his career with an elbow to the ribs. 1580 01:48:12.840 --> 01:48:15.479 I went home thinking that Carney was a fucking loser. He used to 1581 01:48:15.520 --> 01:48:17.600 be a carnee bashed my beloved WB, and now he is taking orders from 1582 01:48:17.640 --> 01:48:21.239 my dad. I laughed, thinking you went from wrestling Dusty Rhodes to now 1583 01:48:21.319 --> 01:48:28.359 being my dad's bitch. Okay, recently asked my dad who that fake wrestler 1584 01:48:28.479 --> 01:48:30.680 was used to work with. Was it Wahoo? He said no. He 1585 01:48:30.720 --> 01:48:33.119 would ask my friend where the funks lived. They didn't know who I was. 1586 01:48:33.359 --> 01:48:36.880 I don't know, he said no, he didn't remember, but that 1587 01:48:36.920 --> 01:48:41.239 Wahoo McDaniel went to school with his dad. I currently live in Austin and 1588 01:48:41.279 --> 01:48:44.039 asked my plumber if he was part of the Rhodes family. I used to 1589 01:48:44.119 --> 01:48:46.000 live close to Amarilla and would ask my friend where the funks lived. They 1590 01:48:46.000 --> 01:48:50.439 didn't know what I was talking about, right, They didn't Legends of Amilla. 1591 01:48:50.560 --> 01:48:55.920 Right, No one cares. Sorry for the rambling, but the experience. 1592 01:48:55.960 --> 01:48:58.479 I know the CoA chairs will love. I've been in the Undertaker's house 1593 01:48:58.560 --> 01:49:00.399 due to the nature of my work, said would losing him and other celebrities 1594 01:49:00.439 --> 01:49:03.880 as a customer. I will say this, he is truly every bit Mark 1595 01:49:03.960 --> 01:49:13.399 McCool and not Mark Helen. Maybe more stories to come, Yes, yes, 1596 01:49:13.920 --> 01:49:19.279 yes, hashtag TLFX much, Eyes on the ground much, God damn 1597 01:49:19.319 --> 01:49:24.159 it, we're watching, and God damn it, we're listening. Shelse KF 1598 01:49:24.239 --> 01:49:27.039 thank you very much for the pledge. Hal Cochin writes, did I hear 1599 01:49:27.119 --> 01:49:31.199 right that Larry King qualifies for under the cinemat if so that's the Ghostbusters one 1600 01:49:31.239 --> 01:49:36.840 opening JP was looking for. Did Larry King qualify? How I feel like 1601 01:49:36.920 --> 01:49:41.520 I remember this? Did he qualify? I mean, what was the reason? 1602 01:49:41.720 --> 01:49:45.760 I think it's probably because Shawn Michaels did the Larry King parody skin around 1603 01:49:45.760 --> 01:49:48.760 the Hogan program in two thousand and five, and then of course Larry King 1604 01:49:48.840 --> 01:49:54.800 interviewing Vince Larry King interviewing wrestlers all over the place. Yeah, the huge 1605 01:49:55.279 --> 01:50:00.359 interviews you came, like Jericho after the Ben Wah thing or or eating up 1606 01:50:00.399 --> 01:50:03.479 to Uh, we did it for Nicky Rourke. Well, that and the 1607 01:50:04.239 --> 01:50:09.920 the fucking documentary there beyond the map, very black on the mat when we 1608 01:50:10.000 --> 01:50:15.840 had blouse teen and three people who weren't on the fucking documentary talking about the 1609 01:50:15.880 --> 01:50:19.079 rest one. This Jericho is here, wait here for the full hour? 1610 01:50:19.720 --> 01:50:23.520 Chris? Is that your real name? When you're in there? You really 1611 01:50:23.560 --> 01:50:27.840 hurt each other? Right now? What parts of fake? What pots are 1612 01:50:27.920 --> 01:50:30.119 real? Alright? I thought we were talking about my book. Yeah we 1613 01:50:30.199 --> 01:50:34.159 are. But you know, but what a guy in the face does, 1614 01:50:34.239 --> 01:50:36.680 he is a get mad? What part of your book is fake? What 1615 01:50:36.760 --> 01:50:43.199 part of your book is real? Well? Erry, it's one hundred percent 1616 01:50:43.279 --> 01:50:46.880 one of the two. I won't say which one, so I can't really 1617 01:50:46.960 --> 01:50:50.279 divide it up that way, Robot, thank you very much. So, 1618 01:50:50.359 --> 01:50:53.640 yeah, you've been looking for a way for Ghostbusters one. Maybe that's it. 1619 01:50:54.000 --> 01:50:57.800 Yeah, that's it right there. Yeah, Rus writes on some of 1620 01:50:57.880 --> 01:51:00.960 our live calls, which of course to available to our patrons every month from 1621 01:51:01.000 --> 01:51:05.319 the VIP tier ten dollars a month and above. We watch modern WWB so 1622 01:51:05.399 --> 01:51:11.520 you don't have to you got money in the bank coming up expertly programmed on 1623 01:51:11.840 --> 01:51:15.840 Independence Day weekend. By the way, what a fucking bunch of Moreash Berlin, 1624 01:51:15.520 --> 01:51:19.199 Spare Christ, Summer Slam and all these these four time of year mega 1625 01:51:19.279 --> 01:51:23.520 shows, Boss, the Supercards, the Big five four. There are going 1626 01:51:23.560 --> 01:51:28.439 to be two nights going forward. Maybe they'll do it for Royal Rumble two. 1627 01:51:28.640 --> 01:51:30.600 Yeah, I think they will. Actually it's starting to look like that. 1628 01:51:30.760 --> 01:51:33.479 I mean, I personally I think Bash A Berlin should be four days. 1629 01:51:35.279 --> 01:51:40.039 I actually a week along Dash in Germany, I think, I mean, 1630 01:51:40.119 --> 01:51:45.720 is that usually what is that a tour? Right? But I think 1631 01:51:45.800 --> 01:51:53.119 yeah, I think I actually think a five day WrestleMania with five four hour 1632 01:51:53.960 --> 01:51:59.359 shows would do the trick. We go to our next question for Nick con 1633 01:52:00.760 --> 01:52:05.079 Jack from I don't know Investment bank X, Please ask you a question, 1634 01:52:05.680 --> 01:52:15.560 Nick, is it time to consider WrestleMania being a thirteen night event? I 1635 01:52:15.640 --> 01:52:23.199 know it's two now, why isn't it thirteen nights? Have you guys considered 1636 01:52:23.279 --> 01:52:28.640 having a WrestleMania every month making it a monthly thing? I mean, you 1637 01:52:28.680 --> 01:52:30.640 did WrestleMania Backlash that one year, so it got me thinking, you can 1638 01:52:30.720 --> 01:52:40.439 just put WrestleMania in front of everything. What about WrestleMania SummerSlam? I mean, 1639 01:52:40.680 --> 01:52:45.119 just the absurdity. Just let it sit there for a minute, WrestleMania 1640 01:52:45.199 --> 01:52:54.560 SummerSlam. So I'm goone drafted up. Let's see how it looks on the 1641 01:52:54.840 --> 01:52:58.439 idea board, on the vision board, but on one of the I believe 1642 01:52:58.479 --> 01:53:00.560 this is on one of our live calls. Root comment The Roman versus Cody 1643 01:53:00.640 --> 01:53:03.439 match reminded me so much of the Sting Triple H match, where it might 1644 01:53:03.479 --> 01:53:06.119 be hype in the moment, but you think about it again and it does 1645 01:53:06.159 --> 01:53:11.800 not age well almost instantly, especially while after Sting did post WWE and ultimately 1646 01:53:11.920 --> 01:53:15.239 was a failed attempt to make you think about Triple H. I guess this 1647 01:53:15.399 --> 01:53:18.279 is what we can expect from these big WWE main events. Yeah, I 1648 01:53:18.319 --> 01:53:23.079 think that's true. I mean, I look back on the match still feeling 1649 01:53:23.159 --> 01:53:25.960 like it was Cody, but it's very hazy. It has a lot to 1650 01:53:26.000 --> 01:53:29.079 do with a lot of other things than Cody. Let's listen. Listen. 1651 01:53:29.640 --> 01:53:32.960 The thing is, it doesn't matter who wins the match. The architect is 1652 01:53:33.319 --> 01:53:40.720 Triple H. It's so going down. There's such a civil war with him 1653 01:53:40.720 --> 01:53:44.359 in Rock like coming. I swear to god, I cannot wait. Cody 1654 01:53:44.520 --> 01:53:47.119 is like firmly convinced that Triple H is like his ally and this thing and 1655 01:53:47.720 --> 01:53:54.119 now the power play happened and Cody got crowned and Rock Roman didn't happen, 1656 01:53:54.239 --> 01:53:57.359 and Roman's coming back around, and when he comes back around, then Rock's 1657 01:53:57.399 --> 01:53:59.239 back in the sauce. And there's going to come a time whether they have 1658 01:53:59.279 --> 01:54:01.720 to do Cody versus Rock. They've teased it the night after WrestleMania on Raw, 1659 01:54:01.760 --> 01:54:05.640 they teased it, and that's going to be a fascinating showdown battle of 1660 01:54:05.720 --> 01:54:11.840 wills over who really runs ww yep, yep. I think Rock wins the 1661 01:54:11.920 --> 01:54:16.920 championship. Oh my god, Cody got the crossroads lined up. Yep, 1662 01:54:17.359 --> 01:54:21.039 Rock spins around rock Bottom one two three, Yeah right, he already pinned 1663 01:54:21.079 --> 01:54:24.560 them clean a mania, it did, And tell me that wasn't part of 1664 01:54:24.600 --> 01:54:29.880 this fucking chess game. Absolutely. How about this Cody? All right, 1665 01:54:30.720 --> 01:54:32.680 the wind's blown in a certain way. Cody gets his moments. But what 1666 01:54:32.840 --> 01:54:36.880 about night one? Yes, well, how should night one finish? Should 1667 01:54:36.920 --> 01:54:40.039 it finish? I don't know. With Rock getting the one two three on 1668 01:54:40.199 --> 01:54:46.399 Cody, the first first match in like fifteen years, I think we're going 1669 01:54:46.439 --> 01:54:49.720 to look back on that one is much more rich with significance and meaning than 1670 01:54:49.760 --> 01:54:55.760 we can appreciate it. Hearing which it happened. The overdrive beats everything is 1671 01:54:55.800 --> 01:54:58.279 the user name of our next page. IOP. We want to thank him 1672 01:54:58.359 --> 01:55:01.560 or her very much for the pledge. Brian Blake is all over as a 1673 01:55:01.560 --> 01:55:05.000 film buff himself, great member of the Solar System, all over the cinemat 1674 01:55:05.079 --> 01:55:10.439 series, on the James Bond series, and it's just been such a wonderful 1675 01:55:10.479 --> 01:55:13.479 tour of films that I know I should have seen and never would have thinken 1676 01:55:13.520 --> 01:55:15.560 the time to watch, but to be able to watch them with Boss's handholding 1677 01:55:15.600 --> 01:55:18.600 from a research perspective, and to be able to call out the pro wrestlers 1678 01:55:18.640 --> 01:55:21.840 that are involved in these movies and get a deep background sketch of them. 1679 01:55:21.880 --> 01:55:29.760 It's just been tremendous. And on the show about On Our Majesty's Secret Service, 1680 01:55:30.199 --> 01:55:32.840 Yes, which is what our fourth or fifth cinema I forgot I was 1681 01:55:34.279 --> 01:55:38.079 somewhere around there. Yeah, he writes, great work. Director Steven Spielt 1682 01:55:38.079 --> 01:55:41.479 Soderberg rather is also a big fan of this particular Bond while not being a 1683 01:55:41.520 --> 01:55:43.840 super fan of the franchise. He wrote about the movie on his blog in 1684 01:55:43.880 --> 01:55:46.600 twenty thirteen and called the best Bond film. Wow. I don't agree, 1685 01:55:46.640 --> 01:55:49.680 but I think it's pretty good and definitely more toward the top. And he 1686 01:55:49.760 --> 01:55:53.279 links us up. So what do you think, I mean? Update? 1687 01:55:53.319 --> 01:55:55.439 First of all, update people where we are in the Bond journey, And 1688 01:55:55.960 --> 01:55:59.039 what do you think about On Her Majesty's Secret Service? Well, we are 1689 01:55:59.119 --> 01:56:02.640 in the midst of are We're in the midst of our Roger Moore era. 1690 01:56:03.399 --> 01:56:06.640 We've we've kind of got over the hump with that, with just finishing moon 1691 01:56:06.680 --> 01:56:12.039 Breaker, so no surprise is coming up. Next is For Your Eyes Only, 1692 01:56:12.640 --> 01:56:16.439 which has got a very Actually I really thought it was going to be 1693 01:56:16.520 --> 01:56:20.279 more of a run of the mill type of show, but there's a lot 1694 01:56:20.399 --> 01:56:26.760 of interesting stuff that's happened happening in there, and it kind of took me, 1695 01:56:27.640 --> 01:56:30.560 took me aback when I was like, oh shit, like there's there's 1696 01:56:30.720 --> 01:56:33.319 kind of a lot of stuff to kind of talk about that I really had 1697 01:56:33.399 --> 01:56:38.960 no fucking clue. But so, yeah, so we're there, and you 1698 01:56:39.039 --> 01:56:43.640 know, we're we're I believe we're we're at our halfway point too in regards 1699 01:56:43.680 --> 01:56:46.760 to the whole journey. Still got a ways to go for sure, but 1700 01:56:47.000 --> 01:56:53.439 it's it's it's been it's been wild, it's been great, and it's it's 1701 01:56:53.520 --> 01:56:59.840 really it's been eye opening for me even and I also had not I've seen 1702 01:57:00.399 --> 01:57:04.199 a good number of of the Bond movies, but i'd never seen all of 1703 01:57:04.279 --> 01:57:13.119 them and the ones that we're missing, uh I have seen, which is 1704 01:57:13.199 --> 01:57:17.880 kind of lucky on my end. But yeah, it's been great and uh 1705 01:57:19.159 --> 01:57:24.479 so it's kind of weird. Like on our Magie Secret Service, I feel 1706 01:57:24.600 --> 01:57:29.560 like, is is it? Is? It? Is it? It's Actually 1707 01:57:29.720 --> 01:57:31.000 it would be a great Bond movie. I think we talked about this. 1708 01:57:31.720 --> 01:57:36.359 It would be a great Bond movie. And maybe one of the best all 1709 01:57:36.399 --> 01:57:43.039 around for me. If it wasn't George Lazenby as James Bond, well that 1710 01:57:43.279 --> 01:57:47.600 is a huge standout about it. Yeah, George Lazenby really really hurts the 1711 01:57:47.960 --> 01:57:55.760 the the status of that movie. Yeah, it's a good, it's a 1712 01:57:55.920 --> 01:58:00.920 it's very good. He just is out of place and and he just does 1713 01:58:00.039 --> 01:58:04.319 you know, he can't he can't he can't do. He can't hang. 1714 01:58:04.920 --> 01:58:09.319 He can't hang. That's the bottom line. He can't hang. You know 1715 01:58:09.399 --> 01:58:13.560 who can't hang is aceax Kowloon, who dropped a sick pledge on our ass 1716 01:58:14.079 --> 01:58:16.079 since the last time we updated you, and want to thank him for his 1717 01:58:16.520 --> 01:58:21.239 counsel and support. For sure, absolutely, Steven writes to us. Lazenby 1718 01:58:21.439 --> 01:58:26.279 is Bond's version to Goldberg. Thinks he is the greatest despite a lack of 1719 01:58:26.359 --> 01:58:29.199 talent compared to others, and has only been booked going over so far. 1720 01:58:30.119 --> 01:58:34.399 That's good. That's actually pretty good too. I'll take that. That's funny. 1721 01:58:34.479 --> 01:58:38.920 How about a good Cliff, our good palcliff with an email entitled how 1722 01:58:39.000 --> 01:58:43.760 TLF helped me make some friends? Hey, now, all right, that's 1723 01:58:43.880 --> 01:58:45.640 nice. You have it. It's rare. I got it here it is, 1724 01:58:47.399 --> 01:58:57.279 dear, dear co chisels if they're of TLFX. I think I finally 1725 01:58:57.359 --> 01:59:00.640 need to share this story. Back in twenty seven, I went to my 1726 01:59:00.680 --> 01:59:03.800 friend Taylor's bachelor party in upstate New York. On the way there, what 1727 01:59:04.119 --> 01:59:10.640 was what was I listening to your review of SummerSlam nineteen ninety. Anyway, 1728 01:59:10.680 --> 01:59:13.760 when I got to the house where we were all staying, I realized I 1729 01:59:13.840 --> 01:59:17.199 knew nobody except Taylor and his brother in law, who was completely shit faced 1730 01:59:17.239 --> 01:59:20.319 by the time I got there. The rest were his high school and college 1731 01:59:20.359 --> 01:59:25.079 buddies. I started introducing myself to everyone and sat down next to two of 1732 01:59:25.239 --> 01:59:29.520 Taylor's college friends, Mike and Andy, who were playing cards. I joined 1733 01:59:29.520 --> 01:59:31.199 in. Now, normally, when you're trying to break the ice with new 1734 01:59:31.279 --> 01:59:34.600 people, you start off with some generic questions like what do you do for 1735 01:59:34.680 --> 01:59:39.319 a living or where are you guys from me. On the other hand, 1736 01:59:41.319 --> 01:59:45.399 I did something that no self respecting person would do. I broke out in 1737 01:59:46.640 --> 01:59:53.800 lapsed Steve Austin, Oh my god, help us. I don't know why 1738 01:59:53.840 --> 01:59:58.880 I did it, but regardless, every sentence began with, well, goddamn 1739 01:59:59.000 --> 02:00:04.359 son, what the fuck can you imagine? Oh god damn son, what 1740 02:00:04.760 --> 02:00:10.680 fuck shit. Mike and Andy thought I was hilarious. They had no idea 1741 02:00:10.720 --> 02:00:13.920 what the lapsed fan was. They thought I was doing a funny impersonation of 1742 02:00:14.000 --> 02:00:18.760 Steve Austin, and I was. It just wasn't my impersonation, of course 1743 02:00:18.800 --> 02:00:21.319 it was. You don't have any exclusive dominion on it. Well, no, 1744 02:00:21.479 --> 02:00:25.319 but like you ever do that like I used to get. I used 1745 02:00:25.319 --> 02:00:30.920 to get uh, I'll never forget. When I was in high school, 1746 02:00:33.319 --> 02:00:38.560 my I didn't I try to do an impression of of of Robert Niro to 1747 02:00:38.720 --> 02:00:42.439 my drama teacher there, and he said, you're not doing an impression of 1748 02:00:42.479 --> 02:00:46.359 Robert Nero, You're doing impression of this guy doing his impression Robert. I 1749 02:00:46.399 --> 02:00:48.000 was like, oh, yeah, shit, you're actually right. I am 1750 02:00:48.079 --> 02:00:57.239 doing that, Like that's exactly what I was doing. That's funny. Anyway, 1751 02:00:57.279 --> 02:01:00.119 I just kept talking like lap Steve Austin the entire weekend. I got 1752 02:01:00.119 --> 02:01:02.960 to a point where some of the other guys in the house were getting annoyed 1753 02:01:03.000 --> 02:01:06.560 with me and were saying, man, stop. However, if I've learned 1754 02:01:06.560 --> 02:01:11.800 anything from the laps fan is to keep doing something people don't like until they 1755 02:01:11.920 --> 02:01:17.920 start to like it. So I just kept going, God, damn son, 1756 02:01:17.960 --> 02:01:21.560 I ain't I ain't gonna quit being Steve Austin. And that's the bottom 1757 02:01:21.680 --> 02:01:27.359 line, Coach stone Cold said. So eventually they came back around and started 1758 02:01:27.439 --> 02:01:33.520 laughing again. When I left the party that Sunday, one of Tyler's it's 1759 02:01:33.560 --> 02:01:41.439 awesome. Give me hell yes, Steve, Hell yeah, I shouted back, 1760 02:01:41.800 --> 02:01:45.000 This is not where the story ends. Five months later was Taylor's wedding 1761 02:01:45.039 --> 02:01:48.319 in Costa Rica. The only two of Taylor's friends from the bachelor party that 1762 02:01:48.399 --> 02:01:51.720 were at the wedding where Mike and Andy. As soon as they saw me, 1763 02:01:51.800 --> 02:02:03.600 they yelled Steve, So Steve. I don't know if they knew my 1764 02:02:03.720 --> 02:02:06.920 real name, but I didn't care. These guys thought I was awesome. 1765 02:02:08.000 --> 02:02:11.840 More Steve Austin or the TV version of Austin doesn't matter. Of course, 1766 02:02:11.920 --> 02:02:15.520 I broke out and laped Steve Austin during the five days we're in Costa Rica, 1767 02:02:15.880 --> 02:02:17.399 and of course I was a hit by the end of our time there, 1768 02:02:17.560 --> 02:02:20.359 and he came to me and said, Hey, I'm getting married at 1769 02:02:20.359 --> 02:02:25.399 the end of the year. You want to become my bachelor party in September. 1770 02:02:29.319 --> 02:02:31.600 Hell yeah, I replied. Two months later, Taylor and I were 1771 02:02:31.600 --> 02:02:34.840 flying up the Buffalo for Any's bachelor party in the daytime. Part of the 1772 02:02:34.920 --> 02:02:40.319 party was at a public park. We drank eight played canned jam. I 1773 02:02:40.359 --> 02:02:42.399 don't know what canjam is? I don't know what can jam? Is? 1774 02:02:42.479 --> 02:02:45.600 There the usual. When our time in the park was done, Andy came 1775 02:02:45.640 --> 02:02:51.760 to me and said, Steve beer bash. I stood in the middle of 1776 02:02:51.800 --> 02:02:57.520 the crowds, cell phone recording me a bud light in each hand. Cliff 1777 02:02:58.079 --> 02:03:01.520 I said something in lapsed Austin's, smashed the beers together and poured them all 1778 02:03:01.560 --> 02:03:05.760 over my face, barely getting any beer into my mouth. All the guys 1779 02:03:05.840 --> 02:03:09.920 cheered, and he walked up to me, shook my hand, smiled at 1780 02:03:09.920 --> 02:03:14.720 me, lean in and whispered that was the only reason I invied get that 1781 02:03:14.920 --> 02:03:20.760 pain. I don't know if he was kidding. I didn't give a shit 1782 02:03:21.439 --> 02:03:25.199 if I was being used for my lapst ill was an impressions, so be 1783 02:03:25.319 --> 02:03:30.520 it. I've been used for worse things. It turned out he was kidding, 1784 02:03:30.600 --> 02:03:32.039 because we remain friends. I still talked to him Mike to this day, 1785 02:03:32.079 --> 02:03:35.800 and it was all possible because of TLF. So thank you for friend 1786 02:03:35.880 --> 02:03:40.680 to mania. I think I need to see that video, by the way, 1787 02:03:41.039 --> 02:03:43.880 so that needs to be sent. So get that again on that. 1788 02:03:44.000 --> 02:03:46.520 I mean, We've certainly heard of people bonding and making friends because they both 1789 02:03:46.600 --> 02:03:51.000 listened to the show, but I've never heard of someone leveraging some of the 1790 02:03:51.039 --> 02:03:55.359 show's kind of IP to make other friends. Yeah, that's new one. 1791 02:03:55.600 --> 02:03:59.000 That's a new one. Like the people who aren't really fan, who aren't 1792 02:03:59.039 --> 02:04:06.199 fans of us to like to be able to to modify an impression to suit 1793 02:04:06.279 --> 02:04:11.560 your needs, to suit your needs, that's money. Yeah right, that's 1794 02:04:11.640 --> 02:04:17.880 fucking hilarious. Fart Donovan, thanks for the pledge, Brother far Donovan dash 1795 02:04:17.960 --> 02:04:20.319 Mark, thank you for the pledge. I'm not sure how you want to 1796 02:04:20.359 --> 02:04:24.640 be known, but there you go. Austin, our good friend, writes 1797 02:04:25.119 --> 02:04:28.640 JP. I just left a movie theater after seeing The Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare. 1798 02:04:29.159 --> 02:04:30.359 Oh yes, I don't wish to spoil anything, but highly recommend it, 1799 02:04:31.000 --> 02:04:33.079 right, he said, highly recommend you look into the true events that 1800 02:04:33.159 --> 02:04:39.520 inspired this film as well as researching Operation Postmaster. Perhaps you into this, 1801 02:04:39.600 --> 02:04:43.239 he says. The fact that this guy Richie film is released in the early 1802 02:04:43.359 --> 02:04:45.439 days of your carnies are forever. Journey is yet another proof point that lap 1803 02:04:45.520 --> 02:04:49.319 Serendipity is alive and well. Brother. So we don't know anything about that. 1804 02:04:49.399 --> 02:04:54.319 We just know that have you watched that film? No, I have 1805 02:04:54.439 --> 02:04:57.840 not seen anything. Well, keep Austin in mind when you do, like 1806 02:04:57.920 --> 02:05:01.760 Cliff keeps Austin in mind whatever he does. That's too damn right, Stephen 1807 02:05:01.760 --> 02:05:06.359 Wrights. Remember we were having some dialogue about why it would make Sergeant Slaughter 1808 02:05:06.399 --> 02:05:10.239 a heel in eighty four to be a drill sergeant or in the Earth before 1809 02:05:10.319 --> 02:05:12.760 that. Yes, it could figure it out, like it's he's a military 1810 02:05:12.800 --> 02:05:15.319 hero. He doesn't change his character yet all of a suddenhen he confronts Iron 1811 02:05:15.399 --> 02:05:17.479 Cheek, he becomes a baby face. It's like, why was he a 1812 02:05:17.560 --> 02:05:20.239 heel before? He was the same guy. And there's been a lot of 1813 02:05:20.279 --> 02:05:25.000 helpful color that's come in from the Solar System about that. It's it's full 1814 02:05:25.039 --> 02:05:27.439 metal jacket, is what it is. Like the drill sergeant is a heel, 1815 02:05:27.640 --> 02:05:30.079 right, I mean I guess, but I mean, yeah, yeah, 1816 02:05:30.239 --> 02:05:33.520 he's a heel. I suppose Steve writes to it, he's kind of 1817 02:05:33.520 --> 02:05:36.279 the best part of the movie. Yeah, yeah, it doesn't mean it's 1818 02:05:36.279 --> 02:05:40.560 not entertaining. Yeah, but for a lot of people who came back from 1819 02:05:40.640 --> 02:05:43.920 Vietnam or whatever, right and are populating wrestling crowds in the elite seventies and 1820 02:05:43.920 --> 02:05:46.159 early eighties, Yeah, I guess that does make sense to see a drill 1821 02:05:46.159 --> 02:05:48.640 sergeant. It's almost like seeing. It's almost like seeing like Vince is the 1822 02:05:48.680 --> 02:05:51.319 overbearing boss to Steve Austin, you know, it's just an asshole, right, 1823 02:05:51.560 --> 02:05:55.399 Everyone you've ever known who's occupied that role in your life has been an 1824 02:05:55.439 --> 02:05:59.720 asshole. So, Steven Grossman writes to his following up on drill Instructor's Heels, 1825 02:05:59.720 --> 02:06:02.079 I just watched a nineteen eighty four Prices Right episode where when the marine 1826 02:06:02.079 --> 02:06:05.840 who gets called up tells Bob he's a drill instructor, there's a notable boo 1827 02:06:05.960 --> 02:06:11.479 from a segment of the crowd on the fucking price is right. Okay. 1828 02:06:12.039 --> 02:06:15.560 It doesn't get any more mainstream Americana than that. Yes, yes, that 1829 02:06:15.720 --> 02:06:18.920 is the pulse of the nation right there, and Bob notes. Steve writes 1830 02:06:19.039 --> 02:06:25.800 that it probably came from retired marines. Drill instructor equals instant heel in nineteen 1831 02:06:25.880 --> 02:06:29.800 and eighty four. There's your Rentel. There's your color? All right? 1832 02:06:30.039 --> 02:06:31.520 All right? Would you say so? Rad Logan, thanks for the pledge. 1833 02:06:31.560 --> 02:06:34.079 We appreciate the support on Patreon. Same to you, Harry Aiken, 1834 02:06:34.199 --> 02:06:38.680 Thank you very much. Vernon Simosa writes, is it weird? My favorite 1835 02:06:38.720 --> 02:06:44.000 part of a recent episode of Wrestle Mamia was Mama sorrow coughing and JP saying 1836 02:06:44.079 --> 02:06:51.319 drink some water and her trying to power through. Yes, do you remember 1837 02:06:51.399 --> 02:06:57.920 this? Yeah, well this is not this is not exclusive to Wrestle Mamia. 1838 02:06:58.199 --> 02:07:01.560 No, she powers through normal thing where she just like she starts, 1839 02:07:01.880 --> 02:07:05.279 she gets a fit of coughing, and the last thing she will do is 1840 02:07:05.359 --> 02:07:11.079 drink water or like try to stop talking. It's like Vince uh with sneezing, 1841 02:07:11.159 --> 02:07:15.199 you know, Yeah, I mean she just like keeps fucking keep going 1842 02:07:15.760 --> 02:07:20.000 even though she's like choking on her own saliva. It's like, I don't 1843 02:07:20.000 --> 02:07:24.119 fucking get it. But it reminds me of a stop one of my favorite 1844 02:07:24.119 --> 02:07:26.960 Beavis and Butted episodes where they're they're so dumb, you know, they're so 1845 02:07:27.119 --> 02:07:30.720 stupid. These two they're sitting on the couch and they start choking on nachos, 1846 02:07:30.199 --> 02:07:33.600 and instead of doing anything about it, they're turning purple. Instead of 1847 02:07:33.640 --> 02:07:39.479 going somewhere seeking help or anything, he just goes this sucks and tries to 1848 02:07:39.520 --> 02:07:43.720 eat another one. What sucks is not that he's choking. What sucks is 1849 02:07:43.800 --> 02:07:50.199 he can't keep eating nachos, right exactly it, I mean what sucks is 1850 02:07:50.239 --> 02:07:55.720 that he can't stop eating right essentially, all right, Steve writes to West 1851 02:07:56.199 --> 02:08:01.079 north By Northwest. M extremely loose connection, he says, But Larry Sherman 1852 02:08:01.159 --> 02:08:05.479 plays a Cabby in north By Northwest and was later w W Hall of Famer 1853 02:08:05.600 --> 02:08:11.520 Donald Trump's publicist. I don't think that counts. No, nice try though, 1854 02:08:11.800 --> 02:08:16.560 you want north By north You got me excited. I want that absolutely, 1855 02:08:18.239 --> 02:08:20.800 Well, why do you want it? That Hitchcock? Fuck, that's 1856 02:08:20.840 --> 02:08:26.399 it. Just Hitchcock about Hcock all the time. Carry Carrie Grand Nash on 1857 02:08:26.439 --> 02:08:30.319 the series says, it's like the hits, like the old Hitchcock. You 1858 02:08:30.399 --> 02:08:37.600 know, it's doesn't count just because Nash says Hitchcock, you know, does 1859 02:08:37.640 --> 02:08:41.039 that mean the fucking the entire Larry Sanders show qualified. Yeah, that means 1860 02:08:41.039 --> 02:08:45.319 if there's ever a lacina in a movie. Yeah, right, exactly. 1861 02:08:45.920 --> 02:08:48.399 H Vipin Tiwari, thank you very much for your pledge. We appreciate the 1862 02:08:48.439 --> 02:08:54.720 support. Sam Fairbanks, a longtime supporter of the show, commenting on our 1863 02:08:54.800 --> 02:08:58.800 Unforgiven nineteen ninety nine episode, Right, So, I remember taping this and 1864 02:08:58.840 --> 02:09:01.760 I stupidly had the volume two low when I said it going. Consequently, 1865 02:09:01.880 --> 02:09:05.119 to even watch it, you had to have the volume on the TV almost 1866 02:09:05.159 --> 02:09:07.039 on full, and it had a really bad hiss on the audio. My 1867 02:09:07.159 --> 02:09:13.600 only abiding memories are Steve Blackman being outraged at finding Valvenus's sex toys. It's 1868 02:09:13.640 --> 02:09:18.000 funny to be outraged about them. That's pretty funny to be pissed off that 1869 02:09:18.119 --> 02:09:22.079 he has sex toys. He's funny about what are you mad about? You 1870 02:09:22.079 --> 02:09:28.000 were his mom, Davy Boys last main event before he went down the Fuchdin 1871 02:09:28.039 --> 02:09:31.880 Jeans Road, and the infamous Kennel from Hell debacle. Bad shows make great 1872 02:09:31.960 --> 02:09:35.039 episodes of TLF, and he notes because we talked about how the blue barred 1873 02:09:35.119 --> 02:09:39.039 cage is used in the Al Snow boss Man matches, I thought that was 1874 02:09:39.079 --> 02:09:41.199 the last time, but sand points out, I think the blue bard cage 1875 02:09:41.279 --> 02:09:45.159 was used one last time in a match between Edge and Christian during their two 1876 02:09:45.199 --> 02:09:48.640 thousand and one feud. Really, I don't know how easy that is to 1877 02:09:48.760 --> 02:09:54.159 verify. I didn't even bother a look yet, but let's see, that's 1878 02:09:54.239 --> 02:09:56.800 interesting. Cage Match two thousand and one, edgend Christian Cage Match two thousand 1879 02:09:56.840 --> 02:10:00.880 and one. Maybe there's folks in the Solar system remember this. Yeah, 1880 02:10:00.920 --> 02:10:05.039 I can see, I can see the barred cage, but it's black painted 1881 02:10:05.079 --> 02:10:09.640 black. And they did do that, they did do the thet because Steve 1882 02:10:09.960 --> 02:10:15.520 Austin and McMahon. McMahon, yeah, yeah, yeah, So that doesn't 1883 02:10:15.600 --> 02:10:22.359 quite count. Stephen writes Stephen Watts, Very Blue has exactly we're talking about 1884 02:10:22.359 --> 02:10:24.960 the end of the Blue Cage era. Stephen Watts, Right. I can't 1885 02:10:24.960 --> 02:10:31.840 decide if Helen Hart is horrified at Davy becoming a second Stu or gleeful that 1886 02:10:31.960 --> 02:10:35.239 Diana is now trapped in the same self imposed hell she has been with Stu. 1887 02:10:35.359 --> 02:10:37.399 Well, I think both. Is that ye I was gonna ask what 1888 02:10:37.439 --> 02:10:41.840 your thought was, I think both of Matt Actually, I think there's there's 1889 02:10:41.920 --> 02:10:50.800 a lot of yeah, there's there's there's it's it's not fun, But at 1890 02:10:50.800 --> 02:10:56.359 the same time, she's glad to have other people suffering. I see, 1891 02:10:56.479 --> 02:11:01.680 doesn't it doesn't make it worse that others suffering from a similar melody. It'll 1892 02:11:01.720 --> 02:11:03.720 never put it that way. Never. It doesn't make it worse, doesn't 1893 02:11:03.760 --> 02:11:05.960 you know. It doesn't directly help her, she doesn't bask in it, 1894 02:11:07.079 --> 02:11:09.960 But it doesn't make it worse. But it provides, it does provide some 1895 02:11:11.000 --> 02:11:16.239 little bit of entertainment, some kind of you know. Yeah, see, 1896 02:11:16.600 --> 02:11:22.720 you thought I was a fucking drunk, But no, you're right down in 1897 02:11:22.760 --> 02:11:24.439 the ship too. But love that ship. We always talk about, Baker, 1898 02:11:24.520 --> 02:11:26.520 love to see people, you know, fall, rise and fall. 1899 02:11:26.720 --> 02:11:31.319 What we really love to see is to see someone who said they would never 1900 02:11:31.439 --> 02:11:33.840 do something do it. Yes, to see someone who says they would never 1901 02:11:33.920 --> 02:11:37.159 be in that position in that position. Yep. You better watch when you 1902 02:11:37.359 --> 02:11:41.760 use that fucking word never. You better watch when you use that fucking word 1903 02:11:41.840 --> 02:11:46.760 never, yep, because you are incentivizing anyone in your shot to watch like 1904 02:11:46.840 --> 02:11:50.000 a hawk for the rest of your days on earth, for the day and 1905 02:11:50.079 --> 02:11:54.000 the moment you give in on that principle, and it will make them feel 1906 02:11:54.079 --> 02:11:56.880 very self satisfied in that moment because they knew, yes, because they knew 1907 02:11:56.920 --> 02:12:00.119 you were a failure from the beginning. They knew you weren't a strong as 1908 02:12:00.159 --> 02:12:05.359 you pretended you were. Yep, there's nothing American like coldon that shit than 1909 02:12:05.439 --> 02:12:09.199 to see someone fuck it, go back on their word or go back on 1910 02:12:09.279 --> 02:12:13.520 their their stance, especially if the stance had any air of judginess about it. 1911 02:12:13.760 --> 02:12:16.600 Oh it's on now, baby, Yes, I'll be watching like a 1912 02:12:16.720 --> 02:12:22.479 hawk. I'll and I'll make a little note to self when you betray that, 1913 02:12:22.800 --> 02:12:26.760 when you betray that stance you thought you took, Cliff writes to us 1914 02:12:28.079 --> 02:12:30.880 relevant relevant to Unforgiven ninety nine were Of course, we spent a lot of 1915 02:12:30.880 --> 02:12:35.680 time talking about Vince McMahon short lived WWAF title win on television, and that 1916 02:12:35.840 --> 02:12:37.600 led if you were called boss to a dialogue about you know how the title 1917 02:12:37.760 --> 02:12:41.159 used to change hands a lot on television back then, and it hasn't so 1918 02:12:41.279 --> 02:12:45.600 much since you were trying to place the last time the ww world title the 1919 02:12:45.600 --> 02:12:48.239 Big Belt changed hands on free television, and Cliff did point out that it 1920 02:12:48.319 --> 02:12:54.560 wasn't just that night that Roman speared Vince on like a late December twenty fifteen 1921 02:12:54.560 --> 02:12:58.239 episode of Ron took it. The results so Kevin Owens Universal title win on 1922 02:12:58.359 --> 02:13:01.680 Ross Aptember twenty sixteen. AJ Styles winning the title on SmackDown. That's right. 1923 02:13:01.760 --> 02:13:05.000 That was on SmackDown November twenty seventeen. I think he took it back 1924 02:13:05.039 --> 02:13:09.319 off of jenneral Mahal. Then Carmela SmackDown Women's title smacked Down. That doesn't 1925 02:13:09.359 --> 02:13:13.079 count. That's what we talk about talking about the WWE Men's World title. 1926 02:13:13.720 --> 02:13:16.920 Dagon Brian ww title smacked Down twenty eighteen probably doesn't count. I think that 1927 02:13:18.000 --> 02:13:22.520 was the lesser of the two. When Brock beat Kofe for the belt, 1928 02:13:22.600 --> 02:13:26.119 that counts. I think kind of, Oh yeah, I forgot about that. 1929 02:13:26.279 --> 02:13:28.600 That was on that first SmackDown on Fox. Yeah, and he fucking 1930 02:13:28.760 --> 02:13:31.199 buried the shit out of him. Yep. He mentions a Sasha win that 1931 02:13:31.239 --> 02:13:35.159 doesn't count. Nikki win, that doesn't count. Biggie winning the title counts. 1932 02:13:35.199 --> 02:13:37.640 That was in Minding the Bank cash in. That does count. That 1933 02:13:37.680 --> 02:13:41.039 happened un raw in September of two thousand and The reason the women's doesn't count 1934 02:13:41.159 --> 02:13:46.079 is because you know, it's not what we're talking about. Well. Also, 1935 02:13:46.319 --> 02:13:54.960 the women's belt up until more recently was more of a television championship, 1936 02:13:54.520 --> 02:13:58.640 right. It was a belt that would change that could easily change hands on 1937 02:13:58.520 --> 02:14:07.279 a on a television episode as opposed to a a pay per view. It's 1938 02:14:07.319 --> 02:14:13.960 true, it wasn't as uncommon. The thing about what made it so such 1939 02:14:15.000 --> 02:14:18.520 a big deal was that you think about for years, Yeah, like before 1940 02:14:22.840 --> 02:14:31.640 like when was the when was the first time that a w the WW championship 1941 02:14:33.479 --> 02:14:39.760 in the modern era? Like, so February right, So think about from 1942 02:14:39.840 --> 02:14:46.359 Hogan winning it at Madison Square Garden at that house show televised house show was 1943 02:14:46.399 --> 02:14:52.560 a televisor just videotaped when who beat Who? Hogan beat Cheek? Oh those 1944 02:14:52.600 --> 02:14:58.079 televised Yeah, in New York. So since then because I guess, well, 1945 02:14:58.079 --> 02:15:01.880 I guess it would have happened. You him losing the belt would have 1946 02:15:01.960 --> 02:15:07.079 been it. But again that's four years in between. And then after that, 1947 02:15:09.119 --> 02:15:13.279 do you count Brett winning it on a taping sure as opposed to a 1948 02:15:13.279 --> 02:15:16.319 pay per view? Yeah, so then you have the flare, sure, 1949 02:15:16.439 --> 02:15:20.079 the flare of savage swing non pay per view. Yeah. Okay, but 1950 02:15:20.319 --> 02:15:24.000 still like we're talking about a handful, like we're talking about we can count 1951 02:15:24.239 --> 02:15:28.960 literally on one hand. I was talking about in particular about the live weekly 1952 02:15:28.039 --> 02:15:31.920 television era. Sure, how often if they sharch the world title on a 1953 02:15:31.960 --> 02:15:35.199 weekly post post the launch of Raw, you know, is what I was 1954 02:15:35.239 --> 02:15:39.279 talking about. Yeah, well even then. Yeah, so ninety three, 1955 02:15:39.520 --> 02:15:43.800 Yeah, the first time it would have changed hands would have been would have 1956 02:15:43.840 --> 02:15:50.079 been Brett. And that was such a a crazy thing. It was the 1957 02:15:50.239 --> 02:15:54.920 last thing I thought in ninety No, in ninety seven. Yeah, Sid 1958 02:15:54.960 --> 02:15:58.800 beating Brett, Oh yeah, that was I I never like, I went 1959 02:16:00.119 --> 02:16:03.920 that match wanting Brett to lose because I was so I was like, oh, 1960 02:16:03.079 --> 02:16:09.720 here he goes again. And when another fucking title word, and and 1961 02:16:09.920 --> 02:16:15.600 then it was one of the things that really solidified my fandomm'm Steve Austin. 1962 02:16:15.920 --> 02:16:18.520 Yeah, that was huge. When he came out of cost Brett the belt 1963 02:16:18.600 --> 02:16:22.800 and when he came out and waffled him with the chair loved. Sid actually 1964 02:16:22.000 --> 02:16:26.000 won the championship on TV, Like it was huge, and that's what led 1965 02:16:26.000 --> 02:16:28.039 to the whole thing where Brett shoved down Vince remember that on Raw and said 1966 02:16:28.039 --> 02:16:31.479 this is bullshit. Yep, yeah he was. It was the first whiff 1967 02:16:31.559 --> 02:16:35.319 of like, as we covered in our ninety seven journey, it was the 1968 02:16:35.399 --> 02:16:39.879 first whiff of fans cheering when Steve brought Injustice to Brettheart's doorstep. Yes, 1969 02:16:41.440 --> 02:16:45.280 they wanted that. They wanted Brett to eat shit for some reason. It's 1970 02:16:45.319 --> 02:16:50.239 tremendous and for them to pick up on it and eventually like run with that 1971 02:16:50.000 --> 02:16:54.799 and what that meant about transforming the nature of what a WWF top babyface was. 1972 02:16:54.440 --> 02:16:58.159 Yeah, and being in a position like we talked about with Tom earlier, 1973 02:16:58.200 --> 02:17:00.479 to have really annored their choice, but to lean into where the heat 1974 02:17:00.639 --> 02:17:03.959 was there and just fine, you know, if Steve Austin's going to be 1975 02:17:03.000 --> 02:17:07.559 our top face and all the ramifications that has for how our top faces have 1976 02:17:07.639 --> 02:17:11.479 to carry themselves and you know how not wholesome they're going to be, So 1977 02:17:11.600 --> 02:17:15.799 be it. Oh yeah, And thus a boom period on par with no 1978 02:17:15.879 --> 02:17:18.479 other emerged. Mick Wisen, thank you very much for the pledge, my 1979 02:17:18.520 --> 02:17:20.879 friend. We appreciate the cake. Rob writes to us, speaking of surprisingly 1980 02:17:20.879 --> 02:17:24.239 good Mark Henry matches, because remember there's a pretty good Mark Henry Delo Brown 1981 02:17:24.280 --> 02:17:31.440 match and unforgiven. Yes, yeah, that was a little scene stealer there, 1982 02:17:31.559 --> 02:17:33.079 it was. He had a match at one of the Brian Pilm memorial 1983 02:17:33.120 --> 02:17:35.159 shows two thousand and one, I think, with Hugh Morris, where both 1984 02:17:35.200 --> 02:17:39.120 guys busted out a lot of impressive stuff for a couple of really big dudes. 1985 02:17:39.719 --> 02:17:41.000 Robb says, I edited a bunch of the documentary interviews on the DVD 1986 02:17:41.040 --> 02:17:43.200 set that came out three years ago, around the time the Dark sid episode 1987 02:17:43.200 --> 02:17:46.440 had in that whole series of shows might make for a good episode of the 1988 02:17:46.479 --> 02:17:50.200 cast someday. That's interesting the Pilm memorial shows. I have not seen that 1989 02:17:50.239 --> 02:17:52.200 Mark Henry match. Maybe one day I will make the time to watch it. 1990 02:17:54.200 --> 02:17:56.239 Philip Bain writes to us, I love this sheer amount of time and 1991 02:17:56.280 --> 02:18:03.280 effort on the Unforgiven show that went into JR and JR saying the word stay. 1992 02:18:05.000 --> 02:18:07.280 Yes, how they animal got to the bottom of that. We put 1993 02:18:07.319 --> 02:18:09.280 it after the Solar system. No, people think it's maybe JR. Just 1994 02:18:09.319 --> 02:18:11.879 putting on a different affect to his voice, as if he's commanding a dog 1995 02:18:11.959 --> 02:18:16.360 to stay in the old southern twang. But it sounds like Michael Hayes and 1996 02:18:16.440 --> 02:18:24.799 me. But why, I know that's the question once he I mean was 1997 02:18:24.840 --> 02:18:26.840 he? I don't know. It's probably not Michael Hayes and miss my point, 1998 02:18:26.920 --> 02:18:31.719 but I mean it's it's weird. It's a weird thing, the weirdest, 1999 02:18:33.000 --> 02:18:37.879 like almost it sounds like it's coming in from another frequency, you know. 2000 02:18:37.280 --> 02:18:39.879 Yeah, like you listen to radio station and you cross like a low 2001 02:18:39.959 --> 02:18:43.520 frequencies thing and it takes over for a second. That's what it sounds like 2002 02:18:43.559 --> 02:18:48.159 to me. It's almost like like fucking exorcist possession, you know. So 2003 02:18:48.440 --> 02:18:52.559 still wait for clarification. I don't know. JR is in tough health these 2004 02:18:52.639 --> 02:18:54.719 days, but maybe someone can get the question out to him and play him 2005 02:18:54.760 --> 02:18:58.120 the audio and see if you can run Yeah fucking sentence? Was this you, 2006 02:18:58.319 --> 02:19:03.840 JR? I don't know he won't totally won. I don't know if 2007 02:19:03.879 --> 02:19:05.559 I even if I don't remember saying the time, I might be able to 2008 02:19:05.600 --> 02:19:07.559 hear the thing and say, oh, yeah, that's that's a voice I 2009 02:19:07.639 --> 02:19:11.200 do you know what I mean? Yeah, I've always ever dine on a 2010 02:19:11.200 --> 02:19:13.159 wrestling broadcast per se, But when I was, you know, trying to 2011 02:19:13.319 --> 02:19:16.639 channel a certain type of scene or person or point in time, I would 2012 02:19:16.719 --> 02:19:20.760 use that voice. Maybe that's so awesome? Is that what you do? 2013 02:19:20.879 --> 02:19:24.120 You? You do that kind of thing to make me feel uncomfortable or it 2014 02:19:24.200 --> 02:19:31.159 still bothers me to this day. That's stay what was that? Stuy? 2015 02:19:33.840 --> 02:19:41.520 Brother? I'm not going anywhere, bro, One day I wasn't even moving 2016 02:19:41.479 --> 02:19:50.360 what why don't you stay hating jeep B. Thank you very much for the 2017 02:19:50.440 --> 02:19:58.159 pledge, he still says it. How did I move on? Nick Nicky 2018 02:19:58.239 --> 02:20:00.840 writes this on Patreon. I posted in the Terry F finale about how I 2019 02:20:00.920 --> 02:20:03.719 was working on unionizing my workplace and my personal lap Serendipity is the pay per 2020 02:20:03.799 --> 02:20:07.719 view with the referee labor dispute getting a deep dive. The week that we 2021 02:20:07.840 --> 02:20:11.719 march on the boss and get recognized, you boys are getting another motor wants 2022 02:20:11.760 --> 02:20:15.559 me negotiate and get our raises because you helped me brush this through simply by 2023 02:20:15.639 --> 02:20:20.559 being in my ass while I'm on the job. Tremendous. Hopefully you guys, 2024 02:20:20.639 --> 02:20:28.959 I would love to love you know. You get people, you know 2025 02:20:28.120 --> 02:20:33.360 say wow, you know I've noticed you've really uh you've really up to your 2026 02:20:33.639 --> 02:20:37.600 your your game here at works? Like, what uh what you been doing? 2027 02:20:37.399 --> 02:20:46.559 Well? I got a podcast at my ass. Okay, fired exactly 2028 02:20:46.000 --> 02:20:52.840 right to hr they go right, ted Teddy writes Teddy, and Teddy gets 2029 02:20:52.840 --> 02:20:56.040 to the point on Patreon he were recently the pain is the point embrace. 2030 02:20:56.120 --> 02:21:01.639 It is pain is the point embrace it, and I ask you to maybe 2031 02:21:01.680 --> 02:21:05.360 just quickly boss, maybe for newer listeners, and maybe in the spirit of 2032 02:21:05.440 --> 02:21:09.079 TLFX, can you just extrapolate quickly why you responded so affirmatively to a sentiment 2033 02:21:09.200 --> 02:21:18.040 like that. Why is the pain the point? Because we can't evolve as 2034 02:21:20.280 --> 02:21:30.120 as a species if we don't hurt. Evolution is pain, right, Evolution 2035 02:21:30.639 --> 02:21:41.200 is the idea of evolution requires things to happen that didn't happen before. It 2036 02:21:41.399 --> 02:21:46.639 requires you to do things that you didn't do before. That's that's it. 2037 02:21:46.840 --> 02:21:54.840 It is essential to life. Pain is the only true constant. Wow. 2038 02:21:58.040 --> 02:22:03.120 Because what happens if you try to avoid pain? Oh, you get hurt 2039 02:22:03.200 --> 02:22:09.879 worse if you try to avoid the pain of doing things you don't want to 2040 02:22:09.959 --> 02:22:16.479 do. That's the definition of pain. Oh yes, it's going to come 2041 02:22:16.760 --> 02:22:28.159 down on you tenfold easily, So don't ignore it. Accept it. What 2042 02:22:28.399 --> 02:22:35.239 is the pain anyway you name it? Wow? I think the pain is 2043 02:22:35.920 --> 02:22:41.120 obligation. Uh huh, that's one of them. The pain is like things 2044 02:22:41.159 --> 02:22:46.440 that you would never choose to do that you have to acknowledge. You are 2045 02:22:46.520 --> 02:22:54.799 powerless to not do lest you destroy something or someone. You must do it. 2046 02:22:54.879 --> 02:22:56.520 It's the pain. How it makes it. The pain as you can 2047 02:22:56.799 --> 02:23:03.559 is you can't opt out, and it's annoying and it can be very frustrating, 2048 02:23:05.040 --> 02:23:09.200 but it's life. Well, yeah, there's a lot of people following 2049 02:23:09.239 --> 02:23:16.239 a lot of influencers who're telling themselves there's a way around the pain. We're 2050 02:23:16.280 --> 02:23:20.159 telling themselves that the level of maturity they're at it, you know, nineteen 2051 02:23:20.280 --> 02:23:24.479 years old can basically be a steady state for them, and they can earn 2052 02:23:24.520 --> 02:23:28.479 a lot by making content and that seems like a relatively painless existence, right, 2053 02:23:28.479 --> 02:23:31.479 I mean, you're going to the club anyway, why not just interview 2054 02:23:33.760 --> 02:23:37.840 drunk girls outside the club and ask the questions about dis right. But that's 2055 02:23:37.879 --> 02:23:43.959 trying to avoid the pain. Yes, the pain inherent in the reality that 2056 02:23:43.079 --> 02:23:48.559 until you're doing something to earn money that hurts a little bit, that puts 2057 02:23:48.600 --> 02:23:52.440 you in a position to do things that you otherwise wouldn't do, you're not 2058 02:23:52.559 --> 02:23:56.559 really on track. It's fooling yourself. You're involved in a temporary, ephemeral 2059 02:23:58.600 --> 02:24:05.079 exercise. That could be wrong about this, but I think I think unless 2060 02:24:05.079 --> 02:24:13.120 you're feeling pain, you're you're not doing adult things. Does this make sense? 2061 02:24:13.959 --> 02:24:22.799 Oh? Yeah, absolutely? Embrace the pain. Embrace it, Blake, 2062 02:24:22.920 --> 02:24:26.520 right, make it your friend. Well, look, he recognize it 2063 02:24:26.559 --> 02:24:31.879 as a necessary precondition to getting what you want, Recognize it as okay, 2064 02:24:31.959 --> 02:24:35.360 well, here's the pain, here's the thing that stands in the way, 2065 02:24:35.440 --> 02:24:37.120 here's the thing that makes it difficult. And of course anything worth having is 2066 02:24:37.319 --> 02:24:41.479 worth working for, right anything? Oh you know what I mean? You 2067 02:24:41.559 --> 02:24:43.319 know that goes. If it was easy, everyone would do it, Jimmy 2068 02:24:43.360 --> 02:24:48.840 Dugan, hard is what makes it great. Very similar sentiment being expressed here, 2069 02:24:48.959 --> 02:24:52.760 very similar. It's just about being able to recognize the pain as necessary 2070 02:24:52.840 --> 02:24:58.639 as opposed to something that is to be decried or belly ached about. Life 2071 02:24:58.719 --> 02:25:03.639 is pain. Wrestling fans know this. Wrestling fans know this. Oh yeah, 2072 02:25:03.079 --> 02:25:09.959 oh yeah. Spend most of your life free time watching this fucking foolishness, 2073 02:25:09.600 --> 02:25:11.879 and you can't even talk to anybody about it in your real life because 2074 02:25:11.879 --> 02:25:18.120 of how ridiculous it is. That's the pain, right, yes, Blake 2075 02:25:18.159 --> 02:25:22.680 writes in an Unforgiven episode subject lind Oh and then all it says in the 2076 02:25:22.719 --> 02:25:26.520 body of the email is die And I'm sure you said this, die. 2077 02:25:26.559 --> 02:25:41.239 Can you forgive me? Or am I unforgiven? Die? Die? Can 2078 02:25:41.319 --> 02:25:50.000 you forgive me? How am I forever unforgiven? It's a great question. 2079 02:25:50.559 --> 02:25:54.639 It's a great question. It's the only question over to Hawaii we Go and 2080 02:25:54.719 --> 02:26:00.319 our headline weird Unforgiven ninety nine moment. Oh boy, here we go. 2081 02:26:00.440 --> 02:26:03.399 This is it. I wasn't going to email you, but when you brought 2082 02:26:03.440 --> 02:26:05.639 up the weird moment between j R. And King where it seemed like somebody 2083 02:26:05.760 --> 02:26:13.479 took over the feet and said stay, I had to tell my own stupid 2084 02:26:13.680 --> 02:26:16.319 story about this. When I was about twelve, I would go to my 2085 02:26:16.479 --> 02:26:22.239 local Blockbuster to rent wrestling tapes. Occasionally they would let you buy them because 2086 02:26:22.280 --> 02:26:28.639 they only had one copy and nobody rents them anyway. Ain't that the truth? 2087 02:26:30.920 --> 02:26:33.159 I asked about Unforgiving ainety nine, and they let me buy it. 2088 02:26:33.840 --> 02:26:37.639 I already knew of the kennel from hell Match, so I wanted to get 2089 02:26:37.760 --> 02:26:46.399 this tape. I watched it the whole thing and remember hearing the stay moment. 2090 02:26:46.639 --> 02:26:48.879 But I kept going because I wanted to finish the show. But as 2091 02:26:50.000 --> 02:26:54.680 soon as it was over, I rewound back to the moment because I wanted 2092 02:26:54.719 --> 02:26:58.600 to show my mom. As it was late at night, I stopped the 2093 02:26:58.639 --> 02:27:01.639 tape went to bed. When I woke up, I wanted to turn the 2094 02:27:01.680 --> 02:27:09.360 tape, but it wouldn't play. Yes, I ejected the cassette, and 2095 02:27:09.840 --> 02:27:11.959 when I went to pull it out, something the LAPS fan doesn't do by 2096 02:27:11.959 --> 02:27:18.879 the way, the tape had gotten snagged and broke, rendering the tape useless 2097 02:27:18.920 --> 02:27:22.719 and forcing me to be stuck with this weird moment in my head without any 2098 02:27:22.879 --> 02:27:28.559 way of showing people. To this day, I will say to my dog 2099 02:27:28.719 --> 02:27:37.000 the phrase down boy, stay followed by guy this day, he would say 2100 02:27:37.079 --> 02:27:41.000 it because of that moment. It's been so long that I forgot where it 2101 02:27:41.120 --> 02:27:45.399 came from. Oh, that's amazing, that's what we're here to do. 2102 02:27:45.680 --> 02:27:48.920 Yes, indeed, and then the greatest podcast ever unearthed it, bringing me 2103 02:27:50.079 --> 02:27:52.840 down back down memory lane. Sorry for the long email. That's not long, 2104 02:27:52.879 --> 02:27:58.239 it all due, but as you guys represent that wrestling fan friend that 2105 02:27:58.319 --> 02:28:01.040 we all long for, I feel the need to share my experience about the 2106 02:28:01.120 --> 02:28:05.159 stupid throwaway thing from the show. Take care, and yes, there are 2107 02:28:05.239 --> 02:28:09.239 actually about six locations of the Dunks in Hawaii. Wow. My wife enjoys 2108 02:28:09.319 --> 02:28:13.319 the coffee and a good Boston cream donut. Every other day. I go 2109 02:28:13.479 --> 02:28:20.120 for glazed because I'm a basic bitch. Legitah, listen, listen, all 2110 02:28:20.200 --> 02:28:24.559 right. If you like the glaze, the only real thing you can do 2111 02:28:26.000 --> 02:28:31.840 to make yourself feel more satisfied is get a fucking bow tie. Oh interesting 2112 02:28:33.040 --> 02:28:39.520 choice. The bow tie is one giant ass glazed donut. That's all it 2113 02:28:39.639 --> 02:28:41.360 is. Is that your choice? So? What what's your usual donut choice? 2114 02:28:41.440 --> 02:28:46.399 Yeah? Oh, I'll tell you what. You know, I love 2115 02:28:46.479 --> 02:28:48.959 that. If that's there, I'll get it. It's not always in stock, 2116 02:28:48.600 --> 02:28:52.159 but if that's there, I definitely get it. But I also really 2117 02:28:52.280 --> 02:28:58.479 really enjoy It's kind of an odd choice, but I love Duncan's blueberry donut. 2118 02:28:58.559 --> 02:29:01.040 Sure, it's so good. Break cake donut. Sure, yep. 2119 02:29:01.159 --> 02:29:03.840 It's one of the few things they've added to the menus that sticks and isn't 2120 02:29:05.200 --> 02:29:09.120 yep, like a season then yeah, it's it's great, Like it's only 2121 02:29:09.319 --> 02:29:13.879 one like it's I often have like a craving for that. Well, I 2122 02:29:15.000 --> 02:29:18.840 recommend the coffee roll. Oh yes, I can have a coffee roll most 2123 02:29:18.959 --> 02:29:22.040 days. Okay, it's like a cinnamon roll basically, but I mean, 2124 02:29:22.159 --> 02:29:28.719 but also it's it's again, you know what it it's a glazed donut with 2125 02:29:28.879 --> 02:29:31.879 cinnamon it is. Yeah, that's what it is. And it harkens back 2126 02:29:31.920 --> 02:29:33.399 to why the word duncan is in the title. Anyway, you would dunk 2127 02:29:33.440 --> 02:29:37.239 that in coffee. That's what made it a coffee roll. It doesn't taste 2128 02:29:37.319 --> 02:29:41.120 like coffee. It just pairs beautifully with a hot cup of coffee. Right, 2129 02:29:41.159 --> 02:29:43.440 and you know exactly you want to be an adult, that's what you 2130 02:29:43.520 --> 02:29:46.120 do. Yeah, if you want to be a bitch, go on to 2131 02:29:46.159 --> 02:29:50.600 be a bitch. You have like the the new you know, triple Brownie, 2132 02:29:50.959 --> 02:29:54.520 you know, explosion right with watermelon in it or something? Right? 2133 02:29:54.840 --> 02:29:58.680 All that poor ship Dulton rights, we move up in the catalog Halloween Have 2134 02:29:58.760 --> 02:30:01.280 a eighty nine DearS co Chairs was listening done Forgiven ninety nine and was pretty 2135 02:30:01.280 --> 02:30:05.079 excited to hear Halloween Have Like nineteen eighty nine was being chosen in the next 2136 02:30:05.200 --> 02:30:09.000 victim of the Lapse treatment. Have watched the full show always enjoyed the thunderdomee 2137 02:30:09.040 --> 02:30:11.159 cage match between Flaar and Sting and Verse Funk and Muda. It's very fitting. 2138 02:30:11.200 --> 02:30:13.879 This episode was chosen as my final sop for the season with Monster Jam 2139 02:30:13.920 --> 02:30:16.680 in Philadelphia at the link and this show took place at the Nut of Funk 2140 02:30:16.680 --> 02:30:20.360 Philadelphia Convention Center. Whenever an episode from ninet eighty nine and to BAWCW gets 2141 02:30:20.360 --> 02:30:24.079 the LAPS treatment, it always makes me happy knowing one of the most underrated 2142 02:30:24.159 --> 02:30:26.120 years in WCW gets talked about. Nineteen eighty nine was the year that the 2143 02:30:26.200 --> 02:30:30.959 company should have taken off to new heights with the Flair Steamboat rivalryed Terry Funk 2144 02:30:31.000 --> 02:30:33.159 coming in, Sting's bigger rise to stardom from eighty eight, and many different 2145 02:30:33.159 --> 02:30:35.680 things the company did before the end of the year, But as everybody knows, 2146 02:30:35.719 --> 02:30:39.799 by the beginning of nineteen ninety it all went to shit. I always 2147 02:30:39.840 --> 02:30:41.479 wonder what the company would have been like had they kept the momentum after the 2148 02:30:41.559 --> 02:30:46.719 Bash going into Starcaid, had they not done that tournament setting that's so big 2149 02:30:46.360 --> 02:30:48.840 on that Star Kid Memorial tour. When you get to that Star k eighty 2150 02:30:48.959 --> 02:30:52.840 nine and it's like a theme tournament deal the Iron Tournament. Yees so stupid? 2151 02:30:54.440 --> 02:30:58.200 Yes, so against what made n Toba worth watching In eighty nine, 2152 02:31:00.280 --> 02:31:03.280 plus head Sting won the world heavyweight title at Wressell Warre instead of the Bash, 2153 02:31:03.399 --> 02:31:05.120 had he not gotten hurt Can't Wait to hear this. One guy's going 2154 02:31:05.200 --> 02:31:07.520 to make my trip to Philadelphia even better. Well, I hope it did. 2155 02:31:07.719 --> 02:31:13.920 Carlton Glad to be of service, Cliff writes, nothing is more terrifying 2156 02:31:15.120 --> 02:31:18.959 than falling asleep to TLF in my ears, oh, only to be awoken 2157 02:31:18.040 --> 02:31:22.200 by the raspy, hallucinogenic whispers of Davy Boyce Smith. Oh God, I 2158 02:31:22.239 --> 02:31:28.520 want to consider that one talked about an unforgiven ninety nine. How like there's 2159 02:31:28.559 --> 02:31:31.520 a referee brawls. They're doing the referee job action as mentioned, Yes, 2160 02:31:31.680 --> 02:31:35.239 and Mike Kyota really starts tuning up Jimmy corderis like for real, hitting him 2161 02:31:35.280 --> 02:31:39.280 really hard, and Scott Michael Ferry the home. He points out, if 2162 02:31:39.280 --> 02:31:41.920 you want to hear Kiyota explain why he went so hard on Jimmy corderis it 2163 02:31:41.959 --> 02:31:45.399 comes up about forty five minutes into the July twenty six, twenty twenty three 2164 02:31:45.440 --> 02:31:48.799 episode of the ref In It Up podcast where Kyoto was the guest. He 2165 02:31:48.840 --> 02:31:52.959 actually starts apologizing before Jimmy can even get into the story and said that he 2166 02:31:52.040 --> 02:31:54.559 didn't know what he was doing, but was told to lay the kicks in 2167 02:31:54.719 --> 02:32:00.319 so they didn't look like shit, but didn't. I didn't. I can 2168 02:32:00.360 --> 02:32:03.959 tell you right now, I never never. Can you come on? Can 2169 02:32:03.000 --> 02:32:09.360 you come in please? All right? Door shut all right? I want 2170 02:32:09.360 --> 02:32:15.440 you to kick the ship out of Kimmick Cordaires. All right, he's a 2171 02:32:15.600 --> 02:32:22.120 scab. Wow, it's just a storyline. It's it's not really shut up, 2172 02:32:24.280 --> 02:32:30.920 he's a scab, referee crossing the line. I want you to kick 2173 02:32:31.000 --> 02:32:35.319 the ship out of him. I want you to beat him within an inch 2174 02:32:35.360 --> 02:32:39.920 of his life. Why why you want me to do that? Boss? 2175 02:32:39.959 --> 02:32:43.760 I don't even understand what the point of that is. He needs to be 2176 02:32:43.799 --> 02:32:48.000 donal lesson? Why is that? What do you do wrong? What he 2177 02:32:48.079 --> 02:32:56.239 did wrong was wake up this morning? Right? Right? Like? Do 2178 02:32:56.360 --> 02:33:00.559 I have to explain? Wait a minute, Mike, do I have to 2179 02:33:00.799 --> 02:33:03.840 justify to you? Do you need to be taught a lesson as well? 2180 02:33:05.920 --> 02:33:11.559 Do you need to meet? Do you need me to remind you that if 2181 02:33:11.559 --> 02:33:13.319 I tell you not to wake up in the morning, you better not fucking 2182 02:33:13.360 --> 02:33:16.040 wake up. I mean you mean to say it's not enough that I say 2183 02:33:16.159 --> 02:33:20.280 he has it coming. And that's not the end of the discussion. You, 2184 02:33:20.399 --> 02:33:22.680 somehow are entitled to a greater explanation than that that that's your position. 2185 02:33:24.280 --> 02:33:30.159 I don't require allowing you to have an opinion. I don't think that's within 2186 02:33:30.239 --> 02:33:37.799 your job description. And I mean I brought opinion on anything, right exactly 2187 02:33:37.920 --> 02:33:41.600 opinion. Listen you you you don't have an opinion. You don't have an 2188 02:33:41.639 --> 02:33:43.399 opinion about anything. Mike. I gotta tell you, I brought you in 2189 02:33:43.479 --> 02:33:48.079 here expecting to use you, you know, as as a helpful partner in 2190 02:33:48.200 --> 02:33:52.200 the and the chopping down to size of one Jimmy cordiras. But as I 2191 02:33:52.280 --> 02:33:56.719 sit here and as I hear you carry on like this, I must confess 2192 02:33:58.799 --> 02:34:03.280 I reconstituting what my mission for the day might be. Let me miss some 2193 02:34:07.040 --> 02:34:16.360 Mike. Have you ever been on the receiving end of nunchucks? That's all 2194 02:34:16.479 --> 02:34:20.040 fame right there now, Vince, I can't say I have what do you 2195 02:34:20.120 --> 02:34:24.719 mean someone hit me with him or something? I mean, yes, I 2196 02:34:24.879 --> 02:34:35.360 mean someone taking a pair of nunchaku. Brother and dude, Brother, Terry, 2197 02:34:35.440 --> 02:34:41.159 this isn't about you, brother, That's not too far from what I 2198 02:34:41.280 --> 02:34:45.959 mean. Brother. Are you talking? Are you talking to Ichi bond Hogan 2199 02:34:46.079 --> 02:34:54.959 Son or non Chaku Fatu Son, Terry? I don't know what the fuck 2200 02:34:54.000 --> 02:34:58.920 you're talking about. All I'm talking about is I'm going to take a pair 2201 02:34:58.920 --> 02:35:05.760 of a nunchucks that I keep under my under the first thing I give in 2202 02:35:05.959 --> 02:35:16.680 mind, where does he keep them that I keep under my belt? Why 2203 02:35:18.440 --> 02:35:26.479 under his belt? Not on his belt, but I keep under my desk 2204 02:35:26.559 --> 02:35:33.959 in a drawer. And I'm going to beat you with him, all right, 2205 02:35:33.040 --> 02:35:37.840 And here's the here's the kicker. This is the kicker. This is 2206 02:35:37.879 --> 02:35:43.959 the part that you're really going to enjoy. I command you not to defend 2207 02:35:43.959 --> 02:35:56.719 yourself, just like Jimmy carneris. That's dude, that's a line for the 2208 02:35:56.799 --> 02:36:05.319 ages. I command you not to defend yourself. What's funnier than Mike Yoda 2209 02:36:05.399 --> 02:36:11.000 getting beaten to ship by Vince McMahon with nun chucks Mike Yoda not being allowed 2210 02:36:11.040 --> 02:36:16.879 to defend himself during such He's been totally canned, not even like and but 2211 02:36:18.000 --> 02:36:22.000 that means he can't put his hands up, he can't try to stop the 2212 02:36:22.079 --> 02:36:26.399 things from hitting him. He basically just doesn't keep his hands it aside and 2213 02:36:26.559 --> 02:36:35.959 let this weapon hit him wherever. Vice the Germans it's appropriate. I can't 2214 02:36:35.000 --> 02:36:41.239 believe you ticket there. I did not see that. Have you ever been 2215 02:36:41.319 --> 02:36:56.040 beaten by nun chucks no bet on the receiving end. Oh shit, so 2216 02:36:56.120 --> 02:37:01.280 that's good stuff. Thanks pal, Matthew Gunn, thank you for the pledge. 2217 02:37:01.559 --> 02:37:05.479 I appreciate that solid twenty bucks of support. Mike Reynolds, thank you 2218 02:37:05.600 --> 02:37:09.000 for the pledge. Josh writes on Unforgiven ninety nine your co chairs. I've 2219 02:37:09.000 --> 02:37:11.520 been a huge fan of the show from the very first episode. Love hearing 2220 02:37:11.559 --> 02:37:13.879 your takes in all the classic shows from when it undaddle used to be better 2221 02:37:13.920 --> 02:37:16.120 as I'm around the same age and become a fan around the same time. 2222 02:37:16.440 --> 02:37:18.600 My dad told me at a very young age that wrestling as a bunch of 2223 02:37:18.639 --> 02:37:24.719 fake bullshit. So I so I wasn't a fan through most of elementary school. 2224 02:37:24.879 --> 02:37:26.159 I started checking it out from time to time when my friends at school 2225 02:37:26.200 --> 02:37:30.360 kept blabbing on and on about some upcoming match between hul Cochan and this Ultimate 2226 02:37:30.399 --> 02:37:33.399 Warrior guy. Their excitement got me excited. By the time they started the 2227 02:37:33.440 --> 02:37:35.920 build up for Survivor series nineteen ninety, I was an addict for life. 2228 02:37:35.120 --> 02:37:39.319 I would wake up early on Saturday fucking morning to catch the first hearing of 2229 02:37:39.360 --> 02:37:43.280 Superstars at six thirty a m. I had become absolutely hooked, just in 2230 02:37:43.319 --> 02:37:46.760 time for most of my friends to decide they were getting too old for this 2231 02:37:46.799 --> 02:37:48.799 shit and didn't want to talk about it anymore. Yeah, that that hits 2232 02:37:48.840 --> 02:37:54.799 home. That's many of our trajectories, I suspect. Yeah. Yeah, 2233 02:37:54.959 --> 02:37:58.600 you're the guy that's still watching it. You know, Oh my god, 2234 02:37:58.719 --> 02:38:01.680 what's wrong with you? Watch that? Jesus Christ? How old are you? 2235 02:38:01.920 --> 02:38:05.920 Did you do? You say you watch it Saturday? You just watched 2236 02:38:05.959 --> 02:38:09.360 the WWF on Saturday. They're still on TV. Wait wait, you have 2237 02:38:09.440 --> 02:38:13.719 it on your you have it on your DVR. You host a podcast about 2238 02:38:13.760 --> 02:38:20.879 it. You give guys money, they pay you and you do what? 2239 02:38:22.600 --> 02:38:26.399 Oh my god? Now when you go like to conventions, do they like 2240 02:38:26.719 --> 02:38:31.559 want to take pictures with you and stuff like? Gee? Wait, you 2241 02:38:31.680 --> 02:38:39.120 watch wrestling with your mom and recorded people pay to listen to it? How 2242 02:38:39.200 --> 02:38:50.399 much do they what? That's t LFX. That's what we're doing. When 2243 02:38:50.440 --> 02:38:52.879 I saw that you were doing a deep dive for and Forgiven ninety nine, 2244 02:38:52.879 --> 02:38:54.920 I had a feeling it would be running my first email to you guys, 2245 02:38:54.959 --> 02:38:58.000 as this was the first televis show I had ever gone to live. Previously, 2246 02:38:58.079 --> 02:38:58.799 the only wrestling show I had been to was a house show in the 2247 02:38:58.840 --> 02:39:03.360 Litle Community College's gym, headlined by the Big Boss Man versus the mounting in 2248 02:39:03.360 --> 02:39:05.239 the Big Blue Cage that my father had taken my sister and I too. 2249 02:39:05.719 --> 02:39:09.360 I have no doubt that my dad was ashamed of this path his son had 2250 02:39:09.360 --> 02:39:11.079 gone down, but he was a good sport and bought the tickets to old 2251 02:39:11.159 --> 02:39:15.239 doubt one of the happiest memories of my childhood. Even though the Kennel from 2252 02:39:15.280 --> 02:39:16.719 Hell is not remembered quite as fondly. I always thought it was cool that 2253 02:39:16.799 --> 02:39:20.440 I saw Big Blue at both of my first twelve shows A first two shows. 2254 02:39:20.479 --> 02:39:24.079 Rather, I have no problem admitting that Unforgiven nineteen ninety nine is an 2255 02:39:24.120 --> 02:39:28.440 awful show, but going to a live televised show a pay per view in 2256 02:39:28.479 --> 02:39:31.159 the middle of the editordero was a huge deal to me, and I would 2257 02:39:31.159 --> 02:39:33.200 buy those tickets again in a second if I could. Just being there was 2258 02:39:33.239 --> 02:39:35.479 exciting, because in the days before the event, I had to deal with 2259 02:39:35.520 --> 02:39:37.440 the very real horror that I may not be able to go at all. 2260 02:39:37.920 --> 02:39:41.399 At the time, where I lived was about a three to four hour drive 2261 02:39:41.440 --> 02:39:45.239 away from Charlotte, As Falvenus was so eloquently mentioned a hurricane had hit North 2262 02:39:45.239 --> 02:39:48.200 Carolina a few days before the show and a ton of roads in that state 2263 02:39:48.239 --> 02:39:50.479 were closed. My friends and I were still teenagers in nineteen ninety nine and 2264 02:39:50.520 --> 02:39:54.280 had no phones to know of every road in our route was even going to 2265 02:39:54.360 --> 02:39:58.120 be clear? Think about that, boss, that's crazy. You don't know 2266 02:39:58.159 --> 02:40:01.479 if you're going to get free passage. Yep. We left early in the 2267 02:40:01.520 --> 02:40:03.760 morning to ensure extra time for any possible to tours, but we got as 2268 02:40:03.760 --> 02:40:09.079 far as Myrtle Beach and traffic stopped for the longest two hours of my lush 2269 02:40:09.239 --> 02:40:11.959 Jesus, Is the traffic going to start moving in time? Even if it 2270 02:40:13.040 --> 02:40:16.520 does, Are all the fucking roads going to be like this? Stone cold 2271 02:40:16.520 --> 02:40:18.440 Steve Austin has guaranteed that there will be a new champion tonight, and I'm 2272 02:40:18.440 --> 02:40:24.879 going to be sitting in this god forsaken car. God was smiling on us 2273 02:40:24.920 --> 02:40:26.719 that day, and we made it to the Charlotte Coliseum with plenty of time 2274 02:40:26.799 --> 02:40:31.079 to spare. During your deep dive, you mentioned that the crowd was turned 2275 02:40:31.079 --> 02:40:33.639 away from the ring during the XPOC versus Y two j match. Remember this, 2276 02:40:33.719 --> 02:40:37.000 boss, They got a chin lock on everyone's turned away. Yes, 2277 02:40:37.280 --> 02:40:41.760 right. My seats were behind the hard camera, so I had a perfect 2278 02:40:41.840 --> 02:40:46.479 view as some hick held up a giant sign that read eat more Beaver. 2279 02:40:50.680 --> 02:40:56.239 It's amazing what can distract a crowd, and it's amazing how we find these 2280 02:40:56.280 --> 02:40:58.520 little things, you know, people who were there, Yep. All the 2281 02:40:58.559 --> 02:41:01.760 other hick thought it was the most clever thing ever and started channing eat more 2282 02:41:01.840 --> 02:41:07.840 beaver whichever remember correctly you could hear on the VHS release. Since that time, 2283 02:41:07.920 --> 02:41:09.719 I've been to dozens of w W shows and have seen some pretty memorable 2284 02:41:09.760 --> 02:41:13.040 moments, my favorite being when Daniel Brian cashed in his money in the bank. 2285 02:41:13.280 --> 02:41:16.440 That moment itself was cool, but even cooler was what happened immediately following. 2286 02:41:16.680 --> 02:41:20.680 Our seats at TLC twenty eleven were in the first roun near the entrance. 2287 02:41:20.879 --> 02:41:22.559 Basically we were sitting damn near on top of the pyro and yes, 2288 02:41:22.639 --> 02:41:26.799 it was hot. After the cash in, some prop guy was walking by 2289 02:41:26.920 --> 02:41:28.879 taking the briefcase to the back. My wife shouted down at him to get 2290 02:41:28.879 --> 02:41:31.600 his attention. She asked him if she could take a picture of me holding 2291 02:41:31.639 --> 02:41:37.479 the briefcase. Into our extreme surprise, he obliged. The actual briefcase proof 2292 02:41:37.520 --> 02:41:41.719 attached. I see it. That's cool. However, since since September twenty 2293 02:41:41.719 --> 02:41:45.239 six, nineteen ninety nine, whenever conversation comes up or people are sharing stories 2294 02:41:45.239 --> 02:41:48.440 of great wrestling moments they have seen in person, first WrestleMania's epic title changes, 2295 02:41:48.479 --> 02:41:52.200 debuts of characters that will go on to lead legacies that will last forever. 2296 02:41:52.719 --> 02:41:54.920 I have to hang my head in shame and admit that the most memorable 2297 02:41:54.959 --> 02:41:58.760 wrestling moment I probably ever see live is the kennel from fucking Hell's right. 2298 02:42:00.360 --> 02:42:03.559 That's right, keep up the great work. I have not noticed JP eating 2299 02:42:03.600 --> 02:42:05.639 into goddamn microphone in a while, for which I've been really grateful. I'll 2300 02:42:05.719 --> 02:42:11.799 just give it a minute. Any chocolate covered pretzels or anything, boss, 2301 02:42:11.200 --> 02:42:13.520 nah, and don't have anything. All jokes aside. I'm a huge fan 2302 02:42:13.559 --> 02:42:16.239 for what you do and greatly appreciate it. With my job, I usually 2303 02:42:16.239 --> 02:42:18.639 am in the car for eighty percent of the day, So I welcome a 2304 02:42:18.680 --> 02:42:22.559 seven hour podcast about a time when wrestling was so exciting. I would wake 2305 02:42:22.639 --> 02:42:26.159 up before dawn because mister Perfect is about to wrestle some local gas station attendant 2306 02:42:26.719 --> 02:42:30.799 and I cannot go on with my day until I know what happens yep, 2307 02:42:31.120 --> 02:42:33.719 yep, Josh, I feel you man. That has gone forever, Yeah, 2308 02:42:33.760 --> 02:42:39.479 gone forever yep, never come back ever. And we need to thank 2309 02:42:39.559 --> 02:42:43.520 faster than Chuck for joining that EP tier. He's faster than Chuck apparently, 2310 02:42:43.559 --> 02:42:48.280 Boss Chuck Palumbo. Perhaps I think that I thought that that's what I thought 2311 02:42:48.319 --> 02:42:50.360 of first right away. Got to thank Alan Smith for bumping up into that 2312 02:42:50.520 --> 02:42:56.319 lade Mote tier swinging his big dick around. That's deeply impressive and appreciated. 2313 02:42:56.399 --> 02:43:01.520 Thank you very much for joining the tip top tier. Happened Smithy Anthony writes 2314 02:43:01.559 --> 02:43:05.559 at Unforgiven ninety nine, listening to the Unforgiven pot at work currently and when 2315 02:43:05.559 --> 02:43:07.760 you guys talk briefly about Kevin Kelly and fully doing the commentary for the Ken 2316 02:43:07.920 --> 02:43:11.159 from Hell and realize that, oh my god, this was my first cell 2317 02:43:11.360 --> 02:43:16.000 match. Oh god, I'm sorry. When I was younger, I got 2318 02:43:16.000 --> 02:43:18.879 the Fully Hard Knocks and Cheap Pops tape and from the Vault HBK one, 2319 02:43:18.920 --> 02:43:20.959 but I watched Foley's first Thanks for the blast from the past, guys. 2320 02:43:22.000 --> 02:43:26.159 Can you imagine that's your introduction to the concept I don't. I mean, 2321 02:43:26.639 --> 02:43:31.239 I guess that's awful. We do lose sight of how privileged reward. It 2322 02:43:31.319 --> 02:43:35.000 just happened to be watching every week when they came out with that concept, 2323 02:43:35.079 --> 02:43:39.079 so we could see it from the very beginning with Michaels and Taker, because 2324 02:43:39.079 --> 02:43:41.920 if you see all that stuff in reverse, I'd imagine it's not as electro 2325 02:43:41.000 --> 02:43:43.319 vine. No, I would. I mean, honestly, I would imagine 2326 02:43:43.360 --> 02:43:52.319 if you if you didn't see, if you didn't see uh what youman call 2327 02:43:52.360 --> 02:43:58.159 it, uh, Michaels and Undertaker, then there were I don't think there 2328 02:43:58.200 --> 02:44:01.559 were any really good cell matches. I mean, I know that there was 2329 02:44:01.600 --> 02:44:05.920 the spectacle of King of the Ring, but I don't think you would have 2330 02:44:07.559 --> 02:44:11.040 the concept of what a hell a cell match could be if that was even 2331 02:44:11.079 --> 02:44:15.639 your first, if you had never watched one before that. Yeah, I 2332 02:44:15.680 --> 02:44:18.920 feel like you'd almost have the wrong idea of what excited people at first about 2333 02:44:20.159 --> 02:44:22.440 hell and a cell. Yeah. Yeah, it's really just it becomes more 2334 02:44:22.440 --> 02:44:26.000 about like, oh, what you know, who's going to die? It's 2335 02:44:26.000 --> 02:44:30.040 a spectacle. Whoras, of course the Michael's match was a spectacle, but 2336 02:44:30.120 --> 02:44:33.200 it had that sort of war games settle a fewed grit to it. Yeah. 2337 02:44:33.399 --> 02:44:37.280 Well, and also it was excellent and it told a real, a 2338 02:44:37.399 --> 02:44:43.440 real story going the whole way. It wasn't you know, it wasn't just 2339 02:44:43.760 --> 02:44:48.680 the two stunts and then call it a day. Yeah. Bran Schmitz, 2340 02:44:48.719 --> 02:44:50.520 thank you very much for your increase in pledge. We appreciate the support. 2341 02:44:50.559 --> 02:44:54.879 Same to you, Lee Salisbury. Welcome to the Inner Circle. Marcus Crouch, 2342 02:44:54.000 --> 02:44:58.879 thank you very much as well. Cliff makes an interesting remark or observe 2343 02:45:01.280 --> 02:45:03.120 they had the referee strike at unforgiven ninety nine. We remember this, of 2344 02:45:03.200 --> 02:45:07.719 course. Yes, this may be untieing to the nineteen ninety nine Major League 2345 02:45:07.760 --> 02:45:15.120 Baseball Umpires Association mass resignation. That would make sense, which, according to 2346 02:45:15.159 --> 02:45:18.680 a link he provided, was a labor tactic used by sixty eight MLB umpires, 2347 02:45:18.719 --> 02:45:22.559 including sixty six members of the Major League Umpires Association. They were unable 2348 02:45:22.600 --> 02:45:26.120 to strike because they had a labor agreement in place, so fifty seven of 2349 02:45:26.200 --> 02:45:31.840 them formally resigned by orchestrated letters. I don't know what why that would catch 2350 02:45:31.879 --> 02:45:37.360 the attention of the wrestling business orchestration in an attempt to force negotiations for a 2351 02:45:37.399 --> 02:45:43.079 new labor agreement. So I always appreciate what's going on in the zeitgeist that 2352 02:45:43.120 --> 02:45:48.479 may have informed these seemingly random creative inspirations these wrestling companies get speak. Speaking 2353 02:45:48.479 --> 02:45:52.719 of orchestration, did you happen? Did you watch any of the Boston Pops 2354 02:45:52.760 --> 02:45:58.120 concert over the fourth I did not. I mean, have you seen any 2355 02:45:58.239 --> 02:46:03.520 image of Key Lockhart in the last year or two? I would I would 2356 02:46:03.559 --> 02:46:05.399 love for you to do it for me. I mean, what did what 2357 02:46:05.479 --> 02:46:11.360 did you see? He just I mean, yeah, he'sn I gotta give 2358 02:46:11.399 --> 02:46:15.000 him that, he's sixty four, but man, he just looked like he 2359 02:46:15.319 --> 02:46:22.680 was about to just fall apart. His face is so like droopy and his 2360 02:46:22.520 --> 02:46:26.799 I know, it's a hot day, obviously, you know it's a hot 2361 02:46:26.920 --> 02:46:31.479 it's a hot night, but man, he's the sweat just was just absolutely 2362 02:46:31.479 --> 02:46:35.879 inappropriate. Like he just he looked like he was the person who was having 2363 02:46:35.920 --> 02:46:39.479 the least fun on the fourth of July. He probably was. Probably we 2364 02:46:39.639 --> 02:46:43.440 know him and his misery, I know, I do, I do. 2365 02:46:43.680 --> 02:46:48.319 I mean, he's like he just looks old and and just just a shell 2366 02:46:48.600 --> 02:46:52.399 of his former shell of himself. It's coming up on his version of these 2367 02:46:52.600 --> 02:46:56.959 final two Roger Moore Bond Films. Indeed, indeed he is. I heard 2368 02:46:56.000 --> 02:47:00.920 there's some caked up makeup coming. There there is some cake makeup coming. 2369 02:47:01.319 --> 02:47:03.479 And you know what, what do you expect when you get like a fifty 2370 02:47:03.479 --> 02:47:07.600 six year old man playing James Bond? Teddy, thank you very much for 2371 02:47:07.680 --> 02:47:11.600 the ep level pledge. We appreciated Andrew Brister coming strong into that mote tier. 2372 02:47:11.680 --> 02:47:16.479 Look at you maya good longtime supporter. Always good to see cash on 2373 02:47:16.559 --> 02:47:18.399 the table. Thank you so very much for all you do. Christian Hollister, 2374 02:47:18.520 --> 02:47:22.440 same to you, a Day one Solar System member as you know around 2375 02:47:22.479 --> 02:47:24.479 these parts. Rus, thank you very much for your pledge to have wrestling 2376 02:47:24.479 --> 02:47:26.840 gifts is back in the spot. We want to thank you once again. 2377 02:47:28.079 --> 02:47:31.440 Oh no, russo not that I can detect yet. Rus is the kind 2378 02:47:31.479 --> 02:47:35.000 of guy that would you know, pay for your Patreon under a fake name 2379 02:47:35.120 --> 02:47:41.319 just so we could like like passive aggressively respond without mentioning it in like a 2380 02:47:41.719 --> 02:47:46.040 like a vague tweet. You know, those those operators can be Vernon Somosa. 2381 02:47:46.079 --> 02:47:50.319 Thank you very much. Welcome to the mote tier. My friend Jeff 2382 02:47:50.360 --> 02:47:52.479 writes, I'm forever grateful that fake fighting never came to my small town in 2383 02:47:52.559 --> 02:47:58.079 time as a newspaper journalist, I would have definitely been my turn in the 2384 02:47:58.200 --> 02:48:03.280 office of that added. Yeah, no small part of like scar tissue from 2385 02:48:03.319 --> 02:48:05.159 me in that character. You know, sure, that's part of what's going 2386 02:48:05.239 --> 02:48:09.479 on there. It's just like the deep anxiety had causes when you get these 2387 02:48:09.559 --> 02:48:16.399 completely arbitrary missions. You know, Oh, I can imagine just come back 2388 02:48:16.440 --> 02:48:18.319 and say it's fake, like because the editor, the editor doesn't want to 2389 02:48:18.319 --> 02:48:22.200 show their hand and basically the editor doesn't want to acknowledge that the only reason 2390 02:48:22.239 --> 02:48:26.200 you're doing the story is they have like a personal hang up about the subject. 2391 02:48:26.239 --> 02:48:28.440 You know, they can't because that's not there's no integrity in that. 2392 02:48:28.319 --> 02:48:33.079 So they have to like manufacture newsiness to get what they want in the paper. 2393 02:48:33.280 --> 02:48:37.719 Eric stop, Oh yeah, that would be nice. It's all a 2394 02:48:37.840 --> 02:48:41.479 fraud. Eric Hodges, thank you very much for your pledge. Christopher Reader, 2395 02:48:41.600 --> 02:48:46.040 thank you very much for your support on Patreon. Damon Ivy, thanks 2396 02:48:46.079 --> 02:48:50.280 for bumping up the support that you see warranted. This This from an atom 2397 02:48:50.360 --> 02:48:56.399 two on Patreon. He makes a comment underneath the carnies or forever diamonds are 2398 02:48:56.440 --> 02:49:00.280 forever Yes, you're right, So this film works as a deranged animal to 2399 02:49:00.319 --> 02:49:05.559 the WWF early nineties sex scandal. Oh Rory Hodgson viewed himself as James Bond 2400 02:49:05.639 --> 02:49:09.399 and then two obviously queer coded Double O seven villains or Pat Patterson and Terry 2401 02:49:09.440 --> 02:49:11.200 Garvin. There we go. Did I not make a reference to them? 2402 02:49:11.239 --> 02:49:16.520 And maybe I did? I don't remember. Mitch Gee, welcome in to 2403 02:49:16.159 --> 02:49:22.399 a high level pledge elite circle. We appreciate that support in that denomination. 2404 02:49:22.280 --> 02:49:26.399 We talked about the Ruse Sneakers the WCW had an endorsement deal with in eighty 2405 02:49:26.520 --> 02:49:30.040 nine as part of Halloween Havoc ninety eighty nine. Do you remember that? 2406 02:49:30.479 --> 02:49:33.920 Yes? I did put the zippers on them. I mean, I try 2407 02:49:33.959 --> 02:49:37.000 not to, but you know, I have to remember things. I have 2408 02:49:37.159 --> 02:49:41.559 to them well them Sometimes they just bury themselves in my memory. Fortunately for 2409 02:49:41.680 --> 02:49:45.920 us, more than one member of the Solar System remembered this particular line of 2410 02:49:45.959 --> 02:49:50.239 sneaker and had personal experiences with them. Philip Wrights on Patreon, My brother 2411 02:49:50.280 --> 02:49:52.920 had a pair of Ruse with their odd pockets for smuggling juice and rigs. 2412 02:49:52.959 --> 02:49:58.000 No doubt come from what I can tell, they were no they were only 2413 02:49:58.000 --> 02:50:03.120 big enough to hold like four dimes. I don't know what the fuck complete 2414 02:50:03.159 --> 02:50:07.000 with WW endorsement stack of dimes, that's for sure. So this guy had 2415 02:50:07.000 --> 02:50:11.520 the w c W ruse prominently featuring the Steiner brothers. It's actually kind of 2416 02:50:11.559 --> 02:50:16.239 funny because the WW ruz. That's hilarious ruse. Oh yeah, it's the 2417 02:50:16.319 --> 02:50:20.559 ruse in general. It's all a ruse featuring the Stiner brothers. Even even 2418 02:50:20.600 --> 02:50:22.040 as a child in the early nineties, I thought this endorsement was as odd 2419 02:50:22.040 --> 02:50:24.520 as it was cool, though I was familiar with the talent thanks to my 2420 02:50:24.600 --> 02:50:30.399 factually questionable and dull as dishwasher to play WCW SuperSlam card game, copy of 2421 02:50:30.440 --> 02:50:33.200 which I gifted to Jack and JP for Christmas twenty three. Yes, this 2422 02:50:33.319 --> 02:50:37.399 is that Phil bringing us that Super Slam card game boss. Oh yes, 2423 02:50:37.559 --> 02:50:39.159 that was that was a weathered box that did it. One of one of 2424 02:50:39.200 --> 02:50:41.840 these days we got to actually get around to playing it. That's probably some 2425 02:50:43.719 --> 02:50:46.760 that's some fucking uh Patreon ship right there. That's a great idea, a 2426 02:50:46.840 --> 02:50:52.040 doubt, I know. My friend John Bouchet on the Chart of the Territories 2427 02:50:52.120 --> 02:50:56.399 podcast has made quite a thing out of doing the Gordon solely uh trivia game 2428 02:50:56.840 --> 02:51:01.280 for in a podcast format, and that's pretty cool. Yeah, that's something 2429 02:51:01.319 --> 02:51:07.680 else we've received courtesy of of the intrepid members of the Solar System. And 2430 02:51:07.799 --> 02:51:11.000 look a look at him, look at his face, look at him? 2431 02:51:11.399 --> 02:51:16.399 Why what what do you want to build a case against him for? I 2432 02:51:16.479 --> 02:51:22.040 mean, he looks he looks engaged. Yeah, he looks like he's engaged 2433 02:51:22.040 --> 02:51:26.159 in some kind of pornography. Not at all, he looks he looks so 2434 02:51:26.280 --> 02:51:30.760 much better than you are describing. Yeah, this guy such short shrift. 2435 02:51:31.399 --> 02:51:35.840 He's he looks like he's about like look at his mouth is hanging open. 2436 02:51:35.159 --> 02:51:39.399 Yeah, well that's just the moment they caught him in the in the photo, 2437 02:51:39.840 --> 02:51:45.440 he's just uh, he's awful. It's an embarrassment. There is someone 2438 02:51:45.600 --> 02:51:48.920 the Boston Pops, Okay, like John Williams never looked like that when he's 2439 02:51:48.959 --> 02:51:52.319 gone to the Boston Pops saying it looks like he's trying to hold on to 2440 02:51:54.239 --> 02:51:56.520 like he's dyeing his hair. It's a little he's hold on dear life is 2441 02:51:56.600 --> 02:52:01.520 a little who's that woman screaming with the microphone? I don't know, I 2442 02:52:01.559 --> 02:52:07.760 have no idea Debbie Gibson or some other great Boston exponent with Donna Summers. 2443 02:52:13.920 --> 02:52:16.440 So that's the ruse. There's more to come, as she could. Oh 2444 02:52:16.520 --> 02:52:18.239 yeah, he's to ex calhoon. I had a red, a pair of 2445 02:52:18.319 --> 02:52:22.559 red and white ruse. The pocket was completely impractical, meaning that the entire 2446 02:52:22.639 --> 02:52:26.840 shoe line, name and all was built around a disappointingly useless gimmick. But 2447 02:52:26.920 --> 02:52:28.719 I still knew for certain that when mom bought them for me being new, 2448 02:52:30.000 --> 02:52:33.200 they'd make me run faster. That's right, of course. Do you remember 2449 02:52:33.239 --> 02:52:39.639 that era where faster, stronger and whatever else where sneaker companies were literally trying 2450 02:52:39.639 --> 02:52:41.120 to sell you in the idea that if you bought these, let's say, 2451 02:52:41.159 --> 02:52:46.520 Rebock pumps, that you would actually have increased performance of course, that you 2452 02:52:46.559 --> 02:52:48.760 could fly almost. I fucking, I fucking buy I had my, my, 2453 02:52:50.040 --> 02:52:52.719 my, my, my pair of pumps. At one point. You 2454 02:52:52.760 --> 02:52:54.920 bought into it. Absolutely. I thought for sure I played better basketball. 2455 02:52:54.959 --> 02:52:58.879 And when you when you pump those things and they hug those ankles, you 2456 02:53:00.079 --> 02:53:03.200 you were in a different headspace, weren't You didn't hug shit? Such a 2457 02:53:03.319 --> 02:53:09.799 joke, fucking bullshit, Like like I remember, like I like I don't 2458 02:53:09.840 --> 02:53:13.159 know what I expected, but I can imagine that I felt. I wanted 2459 02:53:13.200 --> 02:53:16.360 to feel like, I don't know, Superman after I pumped those things twice. 2460 02:53:18.079 --> 02:53:22.680 But it's like, okay, it feels like a shoe, look like 2461 02:53:22.760 --> 02:53:26.719 anything. It was so fucking but when you press the release button, it 2462 02:53:26.760 --> 02:53:33.159 went. Yeah. That also happened when I when I passed gas. So 2463 02:53:33.440 --> 02:53:39.159 uh, our good friends Steve and Jillian on the last live call did what 2464 02:53:39.239 --> 02:53:41.239 they always do, but we didn't get to it. You were indisposed anyway, 2465 02:53:41.319 --> 02:53:46.040 but that's that's no excuse I didn't get to it. They'd like to 2466 02:53:46.120 --> 02:53:50.200 drop a quarter in the lap lapsed jukebox during live calls to get some renditions 2467 02:53:50.239 --> 02:53:52.959 from the boss man. Uh, what did I? What do I need 2468 02:53:52.000 --> 02:53:54.239 to do? Because during modern w B pay per views, of course, 2469 02:53:54.280 --> 02:53:58.399 there's always down time for your coachers when we're delivering live calls to the Solar 2470 02:53:58.440 --> 02:54:05.159 System via Areon, and so this was their requests. It's it's obviously a 2471 02:54:05.239 --> 02:54:07.319 bit belated, but we hope it suffices. Jillian Wrights, it's been about 2472 02:54:07.319 --> 02:54:11.239 a year since we've done this, and we might be a few mimosa as 2473 02:54:11.280 --> 02:54:13.280 deep as we get ready for the show. But in the spirit of Andrea 2474 02:54:13.360 --> 02:54:16.719 the Giant, we thought we'd throw a quarter in the lapsed jukebox to get 2475 02:54:16.799 --> 02:54:26.799 lapsed Andre's singing Maudis's porcois to celebrate all things French. Hell, maybe Dusty 2476 02:54:26.840 --> 02:54:31.120 will want to join into Oh God and again. This is just another example 2477 02:54:31.200 --> 02:54:33.959 of how enterprising you can be, where if you have the sort of one 2478 02:54:35.040 --> 02:54:37.079 off bit of appreciation for us, you can just drop a digital tip in 2479 02:54:37.120 --> 02:54:41.000 the jar. Just tige the lapsed fan at gmail dot com or PayPal yep, 2480 02:54:41.440 --> 02:54:45.799 send it our way like they did, and let us know what the 2481 02:54:45.879 --> 02:54:50.239 sentiment is behind the extra vigue that's right for those fucking chairs. Are you 2482 02:54:50.280 --> 02:54:56.360 in a position to deliver? Boss? I am in as I guess yeah, 2483 02:54:56.440 --> 02:55:07.559 Okay, we're gonna have to a good start. Ah yesh ship, 2484 02:55:35.079 --> 02:55:56.360 we're Dusty Hello. Even when he's singing a techno song, he's like he's 2485 02:55:56.440 --> 02:56:01.879 locked in a basement. It's just pain, that's all. All the Saint 2486 02:56:01.959 --> 02:56:03.639 Fans. Graham a wonderful member of the Solar system. Always good to hear 2487 02:56:03.639 --> 02:56:07.680 from him, and I want to appreciate his support on Patreon. Gabe MacDonald 2488 02:56:07.760 --> 02:56:11.440 welcome in appreciate the pledge, Logan writes on Halloween Havoc eighty nine and now 2489 02:56:11.520 --> 02:56:16.920 Vira. You remember boss, how the Turner Home Entertainment folks were feeling ambitious 2490 02:56:16.040 --> 02:56:20.520 in those early days of WCW pay per views and actually tried to help them 2491 02:56:20.559 --> 02:56:24.159 promote it by bringing some celebrity star power to the table. Yes, is 2492 02:56:24.639 --> 02:56:28.799 Logan's recollections. All right, here we go, hey, co chairs, 2493 02:56:28.840 --> 02:56:31.559 after your Halloween Havoc eighty nine episode, and I needed a write in with 2494 02:56:31.680 --> 02:56:35.959 something I've been meaning to share with you guys for a while. You talked 2495 02:56:35.000 --> 02:56:39.360 about Elvira a bit since she was in the commercials for Havoc eighty nine, 2496 02:56:39.360 --> 02:56:46.440 and in twenty twenty one, she released her autobiography, Yours Cruelly Elvira. 2497 02:56:46.879 --> 02:56:48.399 I recommend the book. It's an easy read, but it's still a funny 2498 02:56:48.760 --> 02:56:54.000 and in depth detailing of her interesting career. I write to you for one 2499 02:56:54.159 --> 02:56:56.600 passage though, which is relevant to last week's episode. At the end of 2500 02:56:56.719 --> 02:57:01.840 chapter twenty three, page twenty twenty, she writes, heights quote. Soon 2501 02:57:03.440 --> 02:57:07.200 more appearances came my way, a third guest bottom on The Tonight Show, 2502 02:57:07.600 --> 02:57:11.799 a presenter at the MTV Movie Award, MTV Awards, sorry not Movie Awards, 2503 02:57:11.879 --> 02:57:16.319 MTV Awards, a host of Monday Night Football, a guest starring spot 2504 02:57:16.399 --> 02:57:20.920 on the Magical World of Disney, and even co hosting even a coosting job 2505 02:57:20.000 --> 02:57:26.600 on TBS's Halloween Havoc Wow, where I got to rub elbows with the likes 2506 02:57:26.639 --> 02:57:33.959 of wrestling legends Rowdy Rody, Piper, Jesse Ventura, and Hulk Hogan. 2507 02:57:33.959 --> 02:57:37.600 Yeah, exactly, that's what happens. I don't remember them being in a 2508 02:57:37.799 --> 02:57:41.520 crocket in eighty nine, or I do, Actually I do. I thought 2509 02:57:41.600 --> 02:57:46.520 it wasn't that the wasn't it staying in Flair versus Hogan and Piper? Would? 2510 02:57:48.680 --> 02:57:50.319 I mean, yeah, she meets those guys throughout her career and just 2511 02:57:50.479 --> 02:57:56.440 like stuffs them into this one story. Well, she probably doesn't remember WrestleMania 2512 02:57:56.520 --> 02:58:00.399 two versus Halloween havocaty nine. Yeah, well that's probably what she's thinking. 2513 02:58:00.479 --> 02:58:03.280 Oh yeah, it's probably one fucking thing in her mind. Like she doesn't 2514 02:58:03.440 --> 02:58:07.280 I'm sure she doesn't know the difference between w WE and WCW. I don't 2515 02:58:07.280 --> 02:58:11.520 know. It's just weird to remember Wrestlminga too is Halloween Havoc. I think 2516 02:58:11.600 --> 02:58:15.440 she again, I think she remembers both things as being the same event, 2517 02:58:15.959 --> 02:58:20.319 Okay, and I don't know, I mean maybe actually, and given her 2518 02:58:20.440 --> 02:58:24.680 character, she probably I'm not surprised that she remembers Halloween havoc over WrestleMania. 2519 02:58:24.000 --> 02:58:28.479 Yeah, she's all gothy and showing her tits and shit. Well, she 2520 02:58:30.239 --> 02:58:35.159 was representative of a particular moment in time. Yeah, that's true. So 2521 02:58:35.280 --> 02:58:37.360 thanks for the dispatch slogan, Jesse Harrison, thank you very much for your 2522 02:58:37.399 --> 02:58:41.879 support. We appreciate you throwing some coin at us via Patreon. Same to 2523 02:58:43.079 --> 02:58:46.280 Cyrus the Virus, who recently uped his pledge to get a taste of that 2524 02:58:46.399 --> 02:58:50.520 cinemat action A Ray Sanson, what's that? I said, Yes, Mike 2525 02:58:50.559 --> 02:58:54.000 Pulin, thanks very much for that mote tier level support. Unbelievable stuff. 2526 02:58:54.360 --> 02:58:58.239 Zach wants us to know boss that, butware of dog still gives him anxiety. 2527 02:58:58.040 --> 02:59:03.280 Oh I'm I'm not surprised that's it should wrot, he said. I 2528 02:59:03.399 --> 02:59:07.280 watched all WWA pay per views live that year, and I was losing my 2529 02:59:07.399 --> 02:59:11.079 shit when the feet dropped. Of course, being pretting internet at my house, 2530 02:59:11.079 --> 02:59:13.280 at least I had no idea if it was just an issue for our 2531 02:59:13.360 --> 02:59:16.360 box or what. I watched the screen hoping it would come back for what 2532 02:59:16.440 --> 02:59:18.000 felt like hours on end until they came back on for the main event. 2533 02:59:18.200 --> 02:59:22.399 I recorded every WAFTV show and pay per view when I'm on my VCR, 2534 02:59:22.680 --> 02:59:24.920 and was meticulous about not including dead space or commercials. So I, of 2535 02:59:26.000 --> 02:59:28.920 course was sitting there the entire time, my finger hovering over the record button 2536 02:59:30.000 --> 02:59:33.959 got Do I remember that? Man? Remember your VCR skills? Oh? 2537 02:59:35.079 --> 02:59:37.319 God, yes, absolutely, you would hit I remember hitting the record button 2538 02:59:37.399 --> 02:59:41.639 and then hitting the record again to pause recording. You didn't stop, yep, 2539 02:59:41.719 --> 02:59:43.360 because if you stop it, it tended to march back two or three 2540 02:59:43.399 --> 02:59:48.559 seconds and clubs. Of course, of course, it causes an immense amount 2541 02:59:48.559 --> 02:59:52.600 of problem. Did you ever try to edit commercials out of your recordings? 2542 02:59:52.840 --> 02:59:56.520 Absolutely? Absolutely, I always did. I always tried to. What I 2543 02:59:56.559 --> 02:59:58.639 would do is if for some reason, God, I can remember the fucking 2544 03:00:00.440 --> 03:00:03.280 clicker I used to use too, so I would try as soon as the 2545 03:00:03.360 --> 03:00:09.040 screen went to black, I tried to pause. If I happened to go 2546 03:00:09.079 --> 03:00:11.520 a little too far, what I would do is try to rewind it. 2547 03:00:13.280 --> 03:00:15.920 I'd play it, I'd stop it for a second. I was always horrified 2548 03:00:15.959 --> 03:00:20.159 at this because I was always convinced that whatever I was watching was gonna come 2549 03:00:20.239 --> 03:00:24.280 right back right before, like way faster than any other commercial break in the 2550 03:00:24.360 --> 03:00:30.840 history of time. And I would play it back and then pause it right 2551 03:00:30.920 --> 03:00:33.440 when it and then i'd you know, try to get it as close as 2552 03:00:33.479 --> 03:00:39.200 possible to showing no commercial interruption. Wow, so that it was just like 2553 03:00:39.280 --> 03:00:43.120 a black screen. Yeah, rarely worked. Rarely worked. That's like, 2554 03:00:43.200 --> 03:00:46.840 damn it impossible. You know, it was so hard back then because there 2555 03:00:46.879 --> 03:00:50.920 was always like a moment of delay, and I just you know, if 2556 03:00:50.959 --> 03:00:54.120 it wasn't done completely right, you know, you'd you'd like you'd almost have 2557 03:00:54.200 --> 03:01:01.040 to start recording again right as the last commercial was ending to starting your baseball 2558 03:01:01.120 --> 03:01:03.520 swing in a batting cage before the ball even comes out, when you're in 2559 03:01:03.520 --> 03:01:07.520 the ninety mile an hour one exactly exactly like you got you gotta be you 2560 03:01:07.600 --> 03:01:11.520 got to hit it. You got to start acting where it's going to be, 2561 03:01:11.719 --> 03:01:15.360 not when it's already there. Yeah, And you couldn't always count on 2562 03:01:15.440 --> 03:01:18.360 a straight second of black before they came back to or out of a commercial 2563 03:01:18.479 --> 03:01:20.079 at all, not at all. And again you didn't know you could. 2564 03:01:20.120 --> 03:01:24.000 Only you could only guess as to what the last commercial was going to be, 2565 03:01:24.399 --> 03:01:28.639 right right, You never really knew. God, that's so high stakes. 2566 03:01:28.920 --> 03:01:31.760 Yeah, yeah, exactly. It was like the you know, and 2567 03:01:31.840 --> 03:01:35.159 then and then you get to sit there and you every time you watch that 2568 03:01:35.280 --> 03:01:41.680 tape and you watch that failure of really getting the proper amount like just black 2569 03:01:41.760 --> 03:01:45.760 to coming back, which there was also that little glitch anyway, there was 2570 03:01:45.799 --> 03:01:48.559 that little tape glitch that happened, which was also very annoying, like you 2571 03:01:48.639 --> 03:01:52.079 never got it perfect, oh like seamless, like fade out and fade back 2572 03:01:52.120 --> 03:01:54.479 in. No. I brought it to the story before. One thing I 2573 03:01:54.559 --> 03:01:56.200 used to do is I had a lot of rap tapes, a lot of 2574 03:01:56.200 --> 03:01:58.000 swears on them, and if I want to play them, you know, 2575 03:01:58.159 --> 03:02:01.639 around my parents and car or something, I would try to dub them to 2576 03:02:01.760 --> 03:02:07.840 another tape and hit fast forward over the swears. That's really funny, you 2577 03:02:07.920 --> 03:02:11.600 know. And it was. It was hard. It took many it took 2578 03:02:11.680 --> 03:02:15.600 many, many attempts, and I didn't always get it. But it's it's 2579 03:02:15.639 --> 03:02:20.559 similar to what we're talking about here. Yeah. I was so like Zach, 2580 03:02:20.719 --> 03:02:24.360 so meticulous about recording pay per views in the mid to late nineties or 2581 03:02:24.520 --> 03:02:28.799 anything wrestling related, and I had to like label the things the same, 2582 03:02:28.959 --> 03:02:31.120 and I would break the tab so that no one could tape over. Remember 2583 03:02:31.159 --> 03:02:35.719 you could take the little black tab off. Oh yeah, absolutely, yep, 2584 03:02:35.079 --> 03:02:39.600 I definitely do that. I mean what, I chew on them sometimes, 2585 03:02:39.680 --> 03:02:43.920 but I spit them out. I mean, you know, I remember 2586 03:02:43.479 --> 03:02:54.360 I was so there. There was a song do you do you remember song? 2587 03:02:54.440 --> 03:03:00.879 Mister Wendell? No, do you remember that by arrested Development Maybe mister 2588 03:03:01.120 --> 03:03:11.200 Windo, Yeah, mister Windo. Anyway, I Kiss went Await, Kiss 2589 03:03:11.239 --> 03:03:13.520 went o Wait had a version of this. I mean, I'm sure other 2590 03:03:13.639 --> 03:03:16.360 radio stations did too, But Kiss went O Wait had had a version of 2591 03:03:16.440 --> 03:03:22.280 this song that involved like it was just an upbeat. It was a total 2592 03:03:22.360 --> 03:03:26.959 remix of the song with with kind of more like dance pianos and whatever. 2593 03:03:28.120 --> 03:03:33.079 Like. It was very it was very upbeat versus the the original version of 2594 03:03:33.120 --> 03:03:37.799 the song. It was a little more melancholy. And so I loved this 2595 03:03:39.479 --> 03:03:43.360 new version, and so I wanted so badly and I tried to find like 2596 03:03:43.719 --> 03:03:48.920 you couldn't find it in stores. You couldn't find this remix, And so 2597 03:03:50.319 --> 03:03:52.520 I wanted so badly to get this. So I would sit by the fucking 2598 03:03:52.639 --> 03:03:56.479 radio, yes, all right, and I had a tape ready to go. 2599 03:03:56.799 --> 03:04:00.319 I was actually, this was what I was gonna do, okay, 2600 03:04:00.319 --> 03:04:03.719 because you could do this back then. I was going to My plan was 2601 03:04:03.799 --> 03:04:09.559 to tape over on the on the on the the the the professional cassette tape 2602 03:04:09.600 --> 03:04:16.600 that I had. I was going to tape over the version on on the 2603 03:04:16.680 --> 03:04:22.159 fucking professional tape with this remix, so that whenever I listened to the the 2604 03:04:22.959 --> 03:04:28.159 the album, I would have the remix in there. Except I didn't know 2605 03:04:30.120 --> 03:04:35.040 at the time that to record over tapes it had to cover the little things, 2606 03:04:35.120 --> 03:04:39.959 the little tabs on t did tape on top. So I'm sitting there 2607 03:04:39.280 --> 03:04:43.840 waiting for it, and then it finally hits probably waiting for like an hour 2608 03:04:43.040 --> 03:04:48.600 by a fucking radio to get this one song, and I keep trying to 2609 03:04:48.639 --> 03:04:54.479 press record and it won't go down, and I'm freaking out, like why 2610 03:04:54.600 --> 03:04:58.879 is this happening? Why is this happening? And then I realized a wait, 2611 03:05:00.319 --> 03:05:03.559 like why do my other tapes record these? And I said, oh, 2612 03:05:03.600 --> 03:05:07.760 they have these fucking tabs, so fucking pissed off. Yeah, those 2613 03:05:09.159 --> 03:05:11.159 those honestly were lessons you had to learn the hard way when we were guess 2614 03:05:11.200 --> 03:05:15.319 exactly, but what what what a fucking discovery it was? I mean, 2615 03:05:16.159 --> 03:05:18.479 oh then it was. It was a game changer after that because you could 2616 03:05:18.520 --> 03:05:20.920 repurpose all these useless tapes that fucking Columbia House or whatever would send to your 2617 03:05:20.959 --> 03:05:26.159 house too, exactly. So I never you know, it took me until 2618 03:05:28.600 --> 03:05:31.760 I'm going to say, like five years ago for me for me to able 2619 03:05:31.760 --> 03:05:35.719 to be able to find that that remix of the song. Wow. I 2620 03:05:35.200 --> 03:05:39.319 tried like every now so it would happen every now and again, you know, 2621 03:05:39.440 --> 03:05:43.360 like I forget about it obviously, and uh uh, you know, 2622 03:05:43.639 --> 03:05:46.639 all throughout high school. But then when when the Internet became a thing, 2623 03:05:46.680 --> 03:05:50.879 I would, you know, oh you know what, especially when Napster was 2624 03:05:50.959 --> 03:05:54.360 a thing, Okay, I was like I would have gone the hunt for 2625 03:05:54.840 --> 03:05:58.680 hunt. I'm a hunt. Could never find it, could never find it 2626 03:05:58.719 --> 03:06:03.360 at all. I've download so many fucking versions of mister Wendell and was all 2627 03:06:03.399 --> 03:06:07.200 the same goddamn original song. Unreal. I'd go on YouTube, you know, 2628 03:06:07.360 --> 03:06:11.079 like like when YouTube became a thing, I would go on you know, 2629 03:06:11.159 --> 03:06:13.719 try to like every now and again, just like huh, you know, 2630 03:06:13.760 --> 03:06:16.040 I haven't looked for that in a while. How was he even find 2631 03:06:16.079 --> 03:06:20.520 this fucking version of the song? Never never ever found the version of the 2632 03:06:20.600 --> 03:06:22.000 song. And then I don't even know how I stumbled on it, but 2633 03:06:22.079 --> 03:06:26.360 I did eventually find it. I was like, holy shit, Well, 2634 03:06:26.840 --> 03:06:31.520 holy shit. Used to be that simple, you know, you were allowed 2635 03:06:31.639 --> 03:06:35.879 to have those kind of missions, you know, and just to pursue them 2636 03:06:35.920 --> 03:06:39.920 in your own solitude. You know, you didn't put a message out to 2637 03:06:39.639 --> 03:06:43.600 a message board or a Reddit forum and get it solved in ten seconds. 2638 03:06:45.840 --> 03:06:50.280 You just had to wander along into your discovery one day. And for Zach, 2639 03:06:50.399 --> 03:06:56.840 he's sitting there trying to keep the integrity of his No Dead Space v 2640 03:06:56.959 --> 03:07:01.600 VHS collection intact during the outage that was the Beware of Dog pay per view. 2641 03:07:03.000 --> 03:07:07.120 So he's sitting there, finger hovered over the record button, not wanting 2642 03:07:07.200 --> 03:07:11.719 to resume recording until they got the live feedback from the arena there in South 2643 03:07:11.760 --> 03:07:16.000 Carolina, and he writes, I did not go to the bathroom, get 2644 03:07:16.040 --> 03:07:20.040 a drink or avert my gaze from the screen for one fucking second. How 2645 03:07:20.120 --> 03:07:22.879 could you I mean that that that feed was out like an hour and a 2646 03:07:22.920 --> 03:07:26.479 half I did. I left, As I talked about in that episode, 2647 03:07:26.479 --> 03:07:28.879 I left the house for a little while and came back in and was like, 2648 03:07:28.959 --> 03:07:35.559 what still not on? It's unreal. You can imagine the stress, 2649 03:07:35.719 --> 03:07:37.719 Like, Okay, now I have to press it to press it, look 2650 03:07:37.760 --> 03:07:39.440 away, not look back. I'm actually so related. Didn't I didn't have 2651 03:07:39.600 --> 03:07:43.760 to go through that on that. This wasn't this was not This was not 2652 03:07:43.840 --> 03:07:46.360 a pay per view that would have been good for you. No, the 2653 03:07:46.399 --> 03:07:48.479 way this played out, I imagine I would have gone through a lot of 2654 03:07:50.399 --> 03:07:52.879 trauma, so much uncertainty as to whether it's actually a problem on your end. 2655 03:07:54.280 --> 03:07:58.239 Yep. God. When they announced the replacement Beware of Dog Part two, 2656 03:07:58.319 --> 03:08:01.600 that was pretty cool, And it was super cool when they later showed 2657 03:08:01.600 --> 03:08:03.440 pictures of what happened when the lights went out, having all those matches more 2658 03:08:03.520 --> 03:08:05.520 or less than the dark. I can't remember if those pictures were on a 2659 03:08:05.559 --> 03:08:09.959 TV show or in WWF magazine. It was on Aazon raw. They showed 2660 03:08:09.959 --> 03:08:11.399 a quick clip of a Austin and Savio in the dark. I know that. 2661 03:08:13.440 --> 03:08:15.440 Side note. I went to the raw taping for everything leading up to 2662 03:08:15.479 --> 03:08:20.239 the show in Sioux City, Iowa. The angle with HBK and Bulldog involving 2663 03:08:20.319 --> 03:08:22.280 Diana was very confusing and random to me as a thirteen year old. Not 2664 03:08:22.440 --> 03:08:26.600 quite as confusing as seeing Golddust groping an unconscious Undertaker after mankind put him out. 2665 03:08:26.840 --> 03:08:30.639 It could be my memories inaccurate, but as I remember it, Goldust 2666 03:08:30.760 --> 03:08:33.159 was legit trying to locate the Bone and the Bone Skull Crew that night. 2667 03:08:35.399 --> 03:08:39.680 This would be the last time my dad's friend Martin dagged along to a WWF 2668 03:08:39.760 --> 03:08:41.600 show. Yeah, So we talked about that bit in the episode, about 2669 03:08:41.600 --> 03:08:43.799 how those reports that when they taped that episode of raw. Of course it 2670 03:08:43.879 --> 03:08:46.479 never made air, this part of it that Goldust actually was feeling up the 2671 03:08:46.559 --> 03:08:50.799 thigh of the Undertaker, and it's got to take advantage of the fact that 2672 03:08:50.799 --> 03:08:52.159 because he's dead, he can't quite do anything about it. He had to 2673 03:08:52.239 --> 03:08:56.959 lay there dead. And I asked Ach about that. He came back. 2674 03:08:56.159 --> 03:09:01.440 Yes, actually, I do one hundred percent remember that it was actually Goldles 2675 03:09:01.559 --> 03:09:05.200 licking his way up the Undertaker's thigh. That's insane. And when I said 2676 03:09:05.200 --> 03:09:09.040 that to him, he said, yes, I do remember that until you 2677 03:09:09.120 --> 03:09:11.239 confirmed it, though, he writes I had chalked it up in my head 2678 03:09:11.280 --> 03:09:15.760 to my imagination. Oh wow. The overall segment that occurred in felt very 2679 03:09:15.840 --> 03:09:20.719 long, and Mark Callaway had it to lay still the entire time, the 2680 03:09:20.760 --> 03:09:24.440 good old days. That's it. That's all right there, Fluke Jones. 2681 03:09:24.879 --> 03:09:28.600 We want to thank you very much for your pledge on Patreon. My friend 2682 03:09:28.639 --> 03:09:33.200 Rob wants us to know about another podcast that we've inspired. It's great to 2683 03:09:33.280 --> 03:09:41.239 hear from members of the Solar System reaching in and definitely definitely cool to see 2684 03:09:41.239 --> 03:09:45.319 and we wish him the best in that endeavor. It's really want to give 2685 03:09:45.360 --> 03:09:46.760 him shout out. It's really cool to see what he's working on there and 2686 03:09:48.399 --> 03:09:52.239 how Tia Left can play a role and inspiring that content. Ben, what 2687 03:09:52.319 --> 03:09:56.760 are they doing? It's that I just had it. Let's see it's Marvel 2688 03:09:56.840 --> 03:10:03.200 related. Oh cool? Ye. But Rob's out there if anyone wants to 2689 03:10:03.280 --> 03:10:07.479 reach out, I'm sure Rob Holden podcast Google will get you where you need 2690 03:10:07.559 --> 03:10:09.479 to be. But he can. He send us so many messages and now 2691 03:10:09.479 --> 03:10:24.719 I'm having trouble finding it. Let's see podcast you inspired? Brother? Oh, 2692 03:10:24.879 --> 03:10:31.520 I'm getting nowhere. Sorry, back to it, let us see here. 2693 03:10:33.559 --> 03:10:35.239 Now I'm all off my game. There we go, all right, 2694 03:10:35.319 --> 03:10:39.719 Chad Lindquist, thank you very much for the pledge. Constant supporter in our 2695 03:10:39.799 --> 03:10:45.719 corner. Roland Salaurent am I staying that right, Saint Laurent, thank you 2696 03:10:45.879 --> 03:10:50.200 very much. Damien Thorn, thank you for the pledge. As always chatter 2697 03:10:50.200 --> 03:10:52.360 about Miami of Ohio when we were talking about Brian Pillman, probably at the 2698 03:10:52.360 --> 03:10:56.399 eighty nine Halloween Havoc Show, like why would that be the name of the 2699 03:10:56.399 --> 03:11:00.159 place, But Joseph Rousso points out Miami of Ohio is named after for the 2700 03:11:00.280 --> 03:11:03.760 Native Americans that populated the area, right, I've always want my cousin went 2701 03:11:03.799 --> 03:11:07.959 to That was always funny thing for me. My cousin went to the University 2702 03:11:07.959 --> 03:11:11.159 of Miami in Ohio, and I was always like what the fuck? Like 2703 03:11:11.360 --> 03:11:16.040 why why is that? It's just so confusing. It's so confusing, Like 2704 03:11:16.479 --> 03:11:20.079 you know, Northwestern is in Chicago, right, It's like, how is 2705 03:11:20.120 --> 03:11:24.920 that in the northwest? Right? But it's of course, you know, 2706 03:11:24.479 --> 03:11:28.360 in the founding of the nation, before there was much settlement past Illinois. 2707 03:11:28.600 --> 03:11:31.040 Good time for that shit? What it was the northwest of the country. 2708 03:11:31.239 --> 03:11:37.040 It was very bizarre, is indeed, Kirk writes to us, writes on 2709 03:11:37.120 --> 03:11:41.959 Patreon and this is relevant to I think be aware of dog as it is. 2710 03:11:43.719 --> 03:11:46.239 I was eight years old. My dad and I ordered this show and 2711 03:11:46.319 --> 03:11:48.319 had no idea where there was a blackout. The screen was just blue the 2712 03:11:48.360 --> 03:11:52.159 whole time. It kicked back on for the main event. Afterwards, I 2713 03:11:52.200 --> 03:11:54.879 went outside to shoot hoops and tripped chasing after a missed shot and broke my 2714 03:11:54.959 --> 03:12:01.680 wrist. That's tremendous the things we were. That was probably the son now. 2715 03:12:01.920 --> 03:12:05.159 I broke my wrist two summers before that, jumping in onto a hoop 2716 03:12:05.200 --> 03:12:07.040 that was like nine feet tall off the hood of a car, and I 2717 03:12:07.280 --> 03:12:09.719 tried to grab it with both hands but kind of came up short, so 2718 03:12:09.840 --> 03:12:15.680 just grabbed it with one and I swung off the rim and couldn't hold on 2719 03:12:15.799 --> 03:12:18.040 with one hand and came crashing down. How did it feel to be an 2720 03:12:18.079 --> 03:12:24.000 idiot so bad? And like your hand feels like so numb that yeah, 2721 03:12:24.360 --> 03:12:28.239 it feels like you're touching someone else's hand when you touch your own hand because 2722 03:12:28.239 --> 03:12:31.040 you lose that feeling. Yep. Matthew of Madison, thank you for the 2723 03:12:31.120 --> 03:12:37.159 pledge, my friend. We appreciate it. That's a good point. Cliff 2724 03:12:37.159 --> 03:12:39.360 asks brothers. You can't post this stuff while I'm at work. How am 2725 03:12:39.360 --> 03:12:41.639 I supposed to explain to my superiors that I soiled myself because a cast just 2726 03:12:41.719 --> 03:12:46.319 launched itself right into my cinnamon ring? Well, I mean just say that 2727 03:12:46.399 --> 03:12:52.600 and see what happens from wrong with that. Beware of Doug and Vengeance. 2728 03:12:52.680 --> 03:12:56.079 This one from our friend Jeff Boss. If you could, you could be 2729 03:12:56.120 --> 03:12:58.879 so kind to regale the solar system, I will do what I can. 2730 03:13:03.600 --> 03:13:07.159 Gentlemen, thank you for your recent through two recent episodes that tell the stories 2731 03:13:07.159 --> 03:13:11.760 of me going lapsed but getting sucked back into the sport of kings in the 2732 03:13:11.799 --> 03:13:16.399 mid nineties, I would always lapse from wrestling in the summer. Summer was 2733 03:13:16.440 --> 03:13:20.319 for playing baseball. I don't have any memories of Beware of Dog, but 2734 03:13:20.399 --> 03:13:24.639 you mentioned how this show took place around the same time Scott Hall went to 2735 03:13:24.799 --> 03:13:28.280 WW. I hadn't really watched much wrestling at all in ninety six. I 2736 03:13:28.360 --> 03:13:31.280 had pretty much weaned myself out of wrestling when I went back to school in 2737 03:13:31.319 --> 03:13:35.959 the fall of ninety six. But I hear kids talking Razor moaning Diesel are 2738 03:13:37.000 --> 03:13:43.639 on WW, and even better, they're going by their real names Scott Hall 2739 03:13:43.840 --> 03:13:48.120 and Kevin Nash. Then I learned that whole Cogan is a bad guy and 2740 03:13:48.280 --> 03:13:52.079 he's team with these two. Needless to say, I had to learn more. 2741 03:13:52.760 --> 03:13:56.479 It only took one conversation with the quote wrestling kids to get me fully 2742 03:13:56.639 --> 03:14:03.200 reinvested in the fake fighting Again, your Vengeance podcast brought back similar memories. 2743 03:14:03.200 --> 03:14:07.159 By ninety nine, I was also playing basketball for the school, and really 2744 03:14:07.239 --> 03:14:16.360 at the time wrestling was strange, the ministry stuff, that the gross out 2745 03:14:16.399 --> 03:14:18.239 stuff, And even at fourteen years old, I knew Russo wasn't for me. 2746 03:14:18.920 --> 03:14:22.639 Here's another pay per view. I think he means unforgiven. Yeah, 2747 03:14:22.719 --> 03:14:26.559 I was. I was coming around to that. Yeah, Vengeance is a 2748 03:14:26.399 --> 03:14:31.799 two thousand and one development innovation. That's post nine to eleven. Literally, 2749 03:14:33.760 --> 03:14:37.200 I got a nine to eleven email right here, so it's gonna be great. 2750 03:14:39.559 --> 03:14:41.639 Here's another paper view. I have no memories up. But again, 2751 03:14:43.000 --> 03:14:46.399 if it wasn't for my wrestling friends, you'd be twenty dollars poor every month. 2752 03:14:46.440 --> 03:14:48.000 In twenty twenty four, I got to think, and why did I 2753 03:14:48.120 --> 03:14:52.000 watch? Why did I watch? Again? If I didn't watch any nine 2754 03:14:52.000 --> 03:14:58.520 wrestling at all, But it's the SmackDown video games for PS one. I 2755 03:14:58.600 --> 03:15:01.520 had a friend who owned the game, so when he fired it up, 2756 03:15:01.559 --> 03:15:03.799 I learned about all these new guys in the FED. Chris Jericho is in 2757 03:15:05.000 --> 03:15:07.120 w and Alley. Who are these Dudley boys? And why is it so 2758 03:15:07.200 --> 03:15:13.319 awesome when they throw guys through tables? The Hardys look goofy in retrospect they 2759 03:15:13.479 --> 03:15:20.239 look they always just look goofy. No retrospect there, but as a fourteen 2760 03:15:20.319 --> 03:15:24.680 year old in two thousand, they were cool as hell. Eddie Guerrero was 2761 03:15:24.680 --> 03:15:28.760 there too, and redacted. I had no idea who Kurt Angle was either, 2762 03:15:28.840 --> 03:15:31.959 but fuck I was hooked when I saw this motherfucker throwing Germans and locking 2763 03:15:33.079 --> 03:15:35.920 ankles. I really appreciate the way, after ten years, the Lapse fan 2764 03:15:37.239 --> 03:15:39.360 can still connect me to my childhood and help me make sense of who I 2765 03:15:39.639 --> 03:15:45.239 was then and who I am today. Wrestling's power over us is crazy, 2766 03:15:45.319 --> 03:15:48.200 isn't it. I love these two episodes because these are completely random, shitty 2767 03:15:48.239 --> 03:15:52.600 pay per views no one thought twice about a week after they happened, and 2768 03:15:52.680 --> 03:15:56.879 your research and relentless pursuit of the story tells us a lot of important shit 2769 03:15:56.000 --> 03:16:01.760 happened here. Love the casual no any format you are going right now and 2770 03:16:01.840 --> 03:16:09.360 can't wait for what's next. Jeff, Yeah, you we're distrapping ourselves in 2771 03:16:09.479 --> 03:16:11.159 pal They have no idea what's around the corner. No, not at all, 2772 03:16:13.280 --> 03:16:16.200 Gummy Davidson, thank you very much for your support. We appreciate the 2773 03:16:16.239 --> 03:16:18.559 pledge. Christian notes on our hellomeon habitcaty nine show. I don't know if 2774 03:16:18.559 --> 03:16:24.280 anyone ever noted this, but the Robin Green character portrayed by woman was based 2775 03:16:24.319 --> 03:16:33.719 on who do you think, uh, oh, Robin Gibbons ing Ning Ning. 2776 03:16:33.120 --> 03:16:37.559 That's correct, very good, Robin Green being a play in the name 2777 03:16:37.639 --> 03:16:39.559 Robin Gibbons Christian Wrights, who by nineteen eighty nine was seen as a gold 2778 03:16:39.600 --> 03:16:43.239 digger who was only after Mike Tyson's money. Many people swore she was the 2779 03:16:43.280 --> 03:16:46.959 reason he fell off and ended up losing to Buster Douglas, who just happened 2780 03:16:46.959 --> 03:16:48.799 to be for my hometown of Columbus. Yes, Robin Gibbons. She was 2781 03:16:50.440 --> 03:16:52.879 a star of television right stage screen. Yeah, she did some stuff. 2782 03:16:54.639 --> 03:17:00.040 But of course she accused Mike Tyson of was it physical sexual battery? I 2783 03:17:00.120 --> 03:17:03.600 think both was both. I think it was some kind of domestic abuse something 2784 03:17:03.680 --> 03:17:07.360 like that. Yeah, that was some definitely a flashpoint story in the late 2785 03:17:07.399 --> 03:17:11.239 eighties. So good call out there. Leave it up to wrestling, you 2786 03:17:11.319 --> 03:17:15.040 know, to see that and go that's heat sure and see her as the 2787 03:17:15.079 --> 03:17:20.920 heel. Yeah, oh yeah. Carlos Mascarenas coming in with such a bold 2788 03:17:20.079 --> 03:17:24.120 and vainy mote tier level bledge right out of the gate. It's important to 2789 03:17:24.159 --> 03:17:31.440 remember she was the problem. God it comes Carlos celebrating greatness, he writes 2790 03:17:31.479 --> 03:17:37.360 to the Chairman aka the real two dudes with attitudes. I used to think 2791 03:17:37.360 --> 03:17:39.760 I knew what a wrestling podcast would or should sound like. I was right 2792 03:17:39.959 --> 03:17:43.639 until I heard the way this the motherfucking TLF podcast is, was and always 2793 03:17:43.680 --> 03:17:48.680 will be. Replace Ringo and George with actual talent and John and Paul with 2794 03:17:48.799 --> 03:17:50.799 chair shots to the ego, and you have my exact opinion of what true 2795 03:17:50.840 --> 03:17:54.479 greatness really is. John Lennon getting shot is just a shooter hitting an easy 2796 03:17:54.559 --> 03:17:58.719 target. Meanwhile, the LAPS Fan podcast shoots all targets at will and drops 2797 03:17:58.760 --> 03:18:03.879 the haters like a bad dungeon of doom gimmick. Yes, I've never been 2798 03:18:03.879 --> 03:18:05.639 afraid to express my love and or devotion for anything or anyone, and as 2799 03:18:05.680 --> 03:18:09.920 such, I want to say that you have my undying support forever and the 2800 03:18:09.959 --> 03:18:11.879 interest of redundancy. Here's some shit you already know. You're the best there 2801 03:18:13.000 --> 03:18:16.040 is, was, and the very fucking best there ever will be. Holler. 2802 03:18:16.920 --> 03:18:20.159 After being a freeloader for four months, Rationale kicked my leg out of 2803 03:18:20.200 --> 03:18:22.520 my other leg, and I saw the fucking light. The content that you 2804 03:18:22.600 --> 03:18:28.280 two deliver on abashedly and with passionate fervor convinced me to choke slam a fifty 2805 03:18:28.399 --> 03:18:33.600 spot through a work table with shoot, goddamn intentions. I'm proud to do 2806 03:18:33.760 --> 03:18:37.360 so. Yes, based on the passion and work that you both so easily 2807 03:18:37.440 --> 03:18:41.360 show every single time, I can't imagine what a four to seven hour podcast 2808 03:18:41.639 --> 03:18:43.799 would require. The research and show preparation has always stood out to me. 2809 03:18:45.079 --> 03:18:48.280 You're truly exceptional. I loved King of the Ring ninety five, the show 2810 03:18:48.319 --> 03:18:50.079 I first heard you guys murder. Holy shit, that was the second episode, 2811 03:18:50.159 --> 03:18:56.200 wasn't it? Ah? Yeah, I think it was. The Lap's 2812 03:18:56.280 --> 03:18:58.520 nation always has a love story and connecting experience, and I'll make mine very 2813 03:18:58.559 --> 03:19:03.360 short, I stated, stared rather at the television set when I was five 2814 03:19:03.479 --> 03:19:05.600 and thought I watched what wrestling taught me, only to turn forty and listen 2815 03:19:05.639 --> 03:19:09.479 to what wrestling was still teaching me, and with more love and detail. 2816 03:19:09.879 --> 03:19:13.200 The real megapowers are Jack and Jpak, the guy who mispronounces his surname, 2817 03:19:13.440 --> 03:19:18.120 and the dude who lets Vince McMahon make periodical voice takeovers. I worked fifty 2818 03:19:18.159 --> 03:19:22.120 four hours per week on average in Colorado Springs, the city Goldberg dropped Pike's 2819 03:19:22.120 --> 03:19:24.799 peeked down several feet the night he took a stop side to the head before 2820 03:19:24.840 --> 03:19:28.399 he speared Ron Breese and finished Raven for the US title. Yeah, that 2821 03:19:28.479 --> 03:19:31.959 was a big night. I was at the World Areada that night, April 2822 03:19:33.000 --> 03:19:37.840 twentieth, nineteen ninety eight, and I've never been more grateful for wrestling nostalgia 2823 03:19:37.920 --> 03:19:41.479 since finding your podcast and humbly joining the lapsed fan Patreon. Thank you for 2824 03:19:41.120 --> 03:19:43.760 truly for all you do for us listeners. Believe it or not, it 2825 03:19:43.840 --> 03:19:48.280 extends further than just the content. It's brotherhood, it's a listening fandom. 2826 03:19:48.520 --> 03:19:52.760 Most importantly, it's a way of life. Agreed. You've heard testimonials much 2827 03:19:52.760 --> 03:19:54.200 better than mine, but I hope you understand they're all true. You make 2828 03:19:54.280 --> 03:19:58.440 life better. That's why we can't stop listening ever lapsed since ninety nine. 2829 03:19:58.559 --> 03:20:03.799 Thanks Ja and Jack Carlos, Well, thank you Carlos. This is pretty 2830 03:20:03.879 --> 03:20:07.959 much why we do it right there. Yeah, I agree they were just 2831 03:20:07.040 --> 03:20:09.719 bullshitting, and people come back to us and say, this is what it 2832 03:20:09.879 --> 03:20:15.319 means that you share that bullshit with everybody. That's a sustainable model as far 2833 03:20:15.360 --> 03:20:20.639 as I'm concerned. Zach writes Jr. Saying Stay is the breakout drop of 2834 03:20:20.680 --> 03:20:26.680 twenty twenty four so far gets him every fucking time. Shane Sinclair, we 2835 03:20:26.760 --> 03:20:30.879 want to thank you for the pledge. Andrew Mackinson, Thank you very much 2836 03:20:30.879 --> 03:20:37.440 for your increased vig to your fucking chairman. Jeff's back with mora scar tissue 2837 03:20:37.479 --> 03:20:41.360 from his newspaper reporting days. He writes, as a former print newspaper reporter 2838 03:20:41.440 --> 03:20:45.639 myself, I obsess over the lapsed editor. I imagine that these nineteen eighties 2839 03:20:45.639 --> 03:20:48.799 and nineties newspapers he touched down on were pretty blue collar. The editor was 2840 03:20:48.799 --> 03:20:50.879 a local guy who held the city accountable but still love the city he covered, 2841 03:20:52.079 --> 03:20:54.040 So while he wasn't looking to bury anyone, he thought integrity was important. 2842 03:20:54.360 --> 03:20:56.559 His reporters felt the same, so they thought it was kind of fun 2843 03:20:56.600 --> 03:20:58.879 to have wrestling in town, but they had to let the public know they 2844 03:21:00.079 --> 03:21:05.520 knew it wasn't real. Yes, then I imagine this nutcase commando type dropping 2845 03:21:05.079 --> 03:21:09.399 like a nuclear weapon. He cares too much. That's the issue. Hitting, 2846 03:21:09.799 --> 03:21:18.200 hitting the editor and reporter, hitting them, hitting them he does. 2847 03:21:18.680 --> 03:21:22.840 He does commit acts of He strikes them. He strikes indeed, brandishing a 2848 03:21:22.920 --> 03:21:28.680 weapon, tearing apart their cheap offices, screaming at their readers, just the 2849 03:21:28.840 --> 03:21:31.559 general chaos that he causes over the course of a few days before jumping out 2850 03:21:31.600 --> 03:21:35.479 of a helicopter and lands right in the center of town as he yells for 2851 03:21:35.559 --> 03:21:39.079 them to all fuck off. Yeah, in this scenario, I picture John 2852 03:21:39.159 --> 03:21:43.920 Candy, he writes as the original newspaper editor and Mike Haggerty is his reporter. 2853 03:21:46.280 --> 03:21:50.520 That's funny. Definitely can see Candy as that well meeting local guy. 2854 03:21:50.760 --> 03:21:56.200 Yeah, that's very funny. Fucking ay, that's really funny. William Webb 2855 03:21:56.239 --> 03:21:58.000 has a good question, is a community can we agree on the phonetic spelling 2856 03:21:58.040 --> 03:22:09.959 of bulldogs asp I think that is becoming an important sound to TLF. I 2857 03:22:09.000 --> 03:22:16.000 would say there's the It definitely starts with an H. That's what that's what 2858 03:22:16.000 --> 03:22:20.840 we can do. H A A A G H is what I would like 2859 03:22:20.879 --> 03:22:26.319 A Really I think of more O's in there, like he could be It 2860 03:22:26.360 --> 03:22:31.600 could be that too. He's so deprived of like oxygen basically, you know 2861 03:22:31.600 --> 03:22:35.840 what I mean, He's so he can't breathe in without having like crack in 2862 03:22:35.920 --> 03:22:41.680 it. Oh yeah, exactly, They're right. That's the thing. There's 2863 03:22:41.760 --> 03:22:48.680 just constant crack going on. Why why did we do this to ourselves? 2864 03:22:48.799 --> 03:22:54.360 I mean, Summer Slam ninety two was such a core memory. Now all 2865 03:22:54.399 --> 03:23:00.559 I think about is him smoke because he ruined it. That's why you ruined 2866 03:23:00.600 --> 03:23:03.120 it. It is his fault, isn't it? Fuck him? It is 2867 03:23:03.479 --> 03:23:07.680 rest in peace ruined it. David Melson, thanks for the pledge. Welcome 2868 03:23:07.680 --> 03:23:11.399 to the Executive producer tier. We've course covered WWF European Rampage in Milan, 2869 03:23:11.479 --> 03:23:16.319 Italy in nineteen eighty three with some of the most money commentary you've ever heard 2870 03:23:16.399 --> 03:23:24.000 from Dan Peterson. The most Italian of names, of course, a fucking 2871 03:23:24.479 --> 03:23:31.879 the most fucking you know, mill America Italian I've ever I've ever fucking heard 2872 03:23:31.920 --> 03:23:37.000 in my life, like Domino's Pizza Italian exactly. Yeah, James writes into 2873 03:23:37.159 --> 03:23:41.760 us subject line ww Italy co chairs. I can't give you any inside on 2874 03:23:41.879 --> 03:23:45.120 WWF in nineteen ninety three Milan, but do have an Italian wrestling recollection for 2875 03:23:45.200 --> 03:23:46.879 you, and this is probably the closest they'll get to being relevant. I 2876 03:23:46.959 --> 03:23:50.719 wrote in during the Bruno tribute that my grandparents were huge Brutal fans. By 2877 03:23:50.760 --> 03:23:54.360 the time they arrived at America, Bruno was already WWWF champion. I'm not 2878 03:23:54.399 --> 03:23:58.319 sure if they were fans before, but they were lifelong fans, and since 2879 03:23:58.360 --> 03:24:00.520 my parents worked a lot of nights and weekends, I spent a lot of 2880 03:24:00.559 --> 03:24:03.959 time with them, watching mostly wrestling and boxing. A few times my grandparents 2881 03:24:03.000 --> 03:24:05.239 took me and my sister to Italy to see the country, visit family, 2882 03:24:05.280 --> 03:24:09.479 et cetera. I remember my Italian family asking me about what it was like, 2883 03:24:09.959 --> 03:24:11.120 as you do with a kid, and I would tell them wrestling, 2884 03:24:11.159 --> 03:24:15.680 among other things. Nothing out of the ordinary, just friendly conversation with extended 2885 03:24:15.719 --> 03:24:18.840 family. A few years later we visited it again and I had already started 2886 03:24:18.879 --> 03:24:22.280 my obsession with reading wrestling history and learning about the different promotions. By this 2887 03:24:22.399 --> 03:24:24.200 time, I was a teen and also had the knowledge that former w F 2888 03:24:24.280 --> 03:24:31.920 jobber. Salvator Blomo was a big star in Catch Brother, Salvator Blomo in 2889 03:24:33.120 --> 03:24:35.760 Catch Boss. Yeah, I can, I can, I can picture, 2890 03:24:35.399 --> 03:24:39.159 I can, I can. I can picture sal Blomo as a as a 2891 03:24:39.280 --> 03:24:43.159 catch talent. That's that's what the girls said in his high school, that's 2892 03:24:43.200 --> 03:24:48.239 for sure. When I asked my family if they remembered him, their response 2893 03:24:48.360 --> 03:24:52.040 was essentially, no, you still watch that stuff? Yeah, yes, 2894 03:24:52.239 --> 03:24:56.200 yes, you know that's just fake, right, what's the matter with you? 2895 03:24:58.120 --> 03:25:01.680 Well, Bruno was real, but mmmm. That is when I learned 2896 03:25:01.799 --> 03:25:05.600 that the shame of being a pro wrestling fan is in fact, pause international 2897 03:25:09.760 --> 03:25:11.559 shame. Ring the bell, Robert Hayes, thank you very much for your 2898 03:25:11.600 --> 03:25:15.799 pledge. Eric Holman, Welcome to the executive producer to here, Tony Fernandez, 2899 03:25:15.840 --> 03:25:18.639 thanks for the vote of confidence in your increased pledge. We appreciate it. 2900 03:25:18.879 --> 03:25:22.639 Wal to figurero Well, Welcome into the executive producer here. Zachariah Rariya, 2901 03:25:22.920 --> 03:25:24.840 thank you very much for your support. Trevor Thomas Shiro want to thank 2902 03:25:24.879 --> 03:25:28.959 you very much for the cake. Same to you, Brett Robinson, welcome 2903 03:25:28.000 --> 03:25:33.520 in. Thanks for deeming us worthy. Michaelson points out a mistake I think 2904 03:25:33.559 --> 03:25:35.600 we made on the Beware of Dog show. He writes, the first time 2905 03:25:35.719 --> 03:25:39.079 take her face mankind and TV was in your house. Seven good friends, 2906 03:25:39.159 --> 03:25:43.479 better enemies, not King of the Ring ninety six. I always think of 2907 03:25:43.559 --> 03:25:48.159 King of the Ring is their first collision? Really they wrestle at that show? 2908 03:25:48.399 --> 03:25:52.799 Is he making me correct something that wasn't even wrong? That happens too 2909 03:25:52.879 --> 03:25:56.600 often? Good for right now here, because I'm very curious. I don't 2910 03:25:56.639 --> 03:25:58.479 recall that at all. I remember being gold Dusty wrestled on that show. 2911 03:26:00.440 --> 03:26:05.799 Umm it is. Yeah, it was dark match, so it doesn't count. 2912 03:26:05.000 --> 03:26:09.319 No, I'm sure they wrestled more times than that if you count house 2913 03:26:09.360 --> 03:26:15.440 shows. Dark matches don't count. On a nice try view, I appreciate 2914 03:26:15.520 --> 03:26:20.600 the effort, but no, Peter Tavares, let me let me say this, 2915 03:26:20.360 --> 03:26:24.000 like wrestling always says, if it didn't happen on TV, it didn't 2916 03:26:24.040 --> 03:26:26.000 happen, right, Well, it just you know, how was I didn't 2917 03:26:26.040 --> 03:26:30.600 know that in a pre internet era, it didn't air on television tonight ninety 2918 03:26:30.600 --> 03:26:33.000 six. You know, Peter Tavares, thank you very much for your pledge. 2919 03:26:33.040 --> 03:26:35.959 We appreciate the support. Same to you, Jeff Poppus and Amelia Za 2920 03:26:37.040 --> 03:26:41.360 don always appreciate that support. Jason Penitext, thanks very much. Welcome to 2921 03:26:41.440 --> 03:26:45.799 the VIP tier. Ben Oddsley bumping up that support to get a taste of 2922 03:26:46.000 --> 03:26:48.559 Under the Cinemat and all that awaits him in the Executive producer tier. Indeed, 2923 03:26:50.319 --> 03:26:54.239 Timothy McCarty pointed out something that Vince said not too long ago that I 2924 03:26:54.280 --> 03:26:58.239 think is really pressing it. Just one quote and so man on coffee quote, 2925 03:27:00.000 --> 03:27:05.399 I think you said this, I always have a pot going. Just 2926 03:27:05.479 --> 03:27:09.600 think just how you just think about that across the generations. You know, 2927 03:27:09.120 --> 03:27:15.200 ye think about Vince as such as he was in nineteen seventy six. I 2928 03:27:15.440 --> 03:27:22.639 was a pod going Canary jellow suit hosting his dad's TV show, Sanka on 2929 03:27:22.120 --> 03:27:26.200 Tap. Oh, yes, I mean, come on, the guy always 2930 03:27:26.399 --> 03:27:30.879 he bruised like he wouldn't believe. The guy believes in coffee. Yes he 2931 03:27:31.000 --> 03:27:35.239 is, definitely. Yeah. Some people believe in in God, some people 2932 03:27:35.399 --> 03:27:41.399 believe in whatever he believes in coffee percolation. I'll say, in college, 2933 03:27:41.399 --> 03:27:46.760 I also believe in coffe. What a different kind? John Coff God, 2934 03:27:46.959 --> 03:27:50.600 No, you believed in the three largest on when it was time to get 2935 03:27:50.600 --> 03:27:54.159 your paper done on rough nights. On rough nights. It was definitely three 2936 03:27:54.719 --> 03:27:58.440 three larges from the fucking the Sea store down there. That's how you would 2937 03:27:58.440 --> 03:28:03.040 do it. Man, last day of the semester, I have four assignments 2938 03:28:03.079 --> 03:28:05.959 that I haven't handed in. I'm not going to bed. I got four 2939 03:28:07.239 --> 03:28:09.360 I got like three papers. I haven't written one movie. I have to 2940 03:28:09.479 --> 03:28:13.520 edit all the way and you know, and I also got to a study 2941 03:28:13.600 --> 03:28:16.440 for a final that I'm going to fail. I still remember that one time 2942 03:28:16.520 --> 03:28:20.479 you were like weaking your legs walking down the stairs in the dorm because you 2943 03:28:20.559 --> 03:28:24.159 had hadn't slept in like three days. Yeah, I was like, there 2944 03:28:24.200 --> 03:28:28.600 were that that was the you know, I remember one time, you know 2945 03:28:28.680 --> 03:28:33.719 it was it was one time before before this. You came to my house 2946 03:28:33.799 --> 03:28:37.239 for like a couple of days in spring break, and I remember I had 2947 03:28:37.319 --> 03:28:43.239 not slept in two days, oh, because I just had so much shit 2948 03:28:43.360 --> 03:28:48.040 to do and I was in so I just was just killing myself, just 2949 03:28:48.360 --> 03:28:54.920 devastating, just like so tired. You could scream yep, that's college. 2950 03:28:54.440 --> 03:28:58.479 Yes, that's right, that's reality. Rich Moulton, thank you very much, 2951 03:28:58.360 --> 03:29:01.959 appreciate this. Aboard Ethan Bowman. Same to you, Sal Roma and 2952 03:29:03.920 --> 03:29:07.479 Daniel Beasley and Matt Brown coming in strong in the ten dollars tier, and 2953 03:29:07.639 --> 03:29:13.360 Luke Ashby pumping up his pledge. These are all folks who are here TOOFO 2954 03:29:13.600 --> 03:29:16.600 near and dear to our hearts. Stephen wats or Palin Ireland rights. I 2955 03:29:16.639 --> 03:29:20.159 always associate Roger Moore with childhood holidays. Also, he used to do ads 2956 03:29:20.200 --> 03:29:24.079 on long haul aer Lingus flights for UNICEF. Oh yeah, sure, yeah, 2957 03:29:24.120 --> 03:29:26.559 well we're gonna get into his uniff tasting. Oh that's great and looking 2958 03:29:26.559 --> 03:29:31.479 forward to that, encouraging you to donate spare change of unused currency to UNIEF. 2959 03:29:31.520 --> 03:29:35.360 For years I was convinced James Bond flew on Aerlingus for missions more like 2960 03:29:35.440 --> 03:29:41.159 cunnelingis Steve. Yeah, that's exactly right. He also rates that every what's 2961 03:29:41.200 --> 03:29:46.319 that he said wrong Lingus. He also rates that every Christmas season in Ireland 2962 03:29:46.319 --> 03:29:50.079 the National Broadcaster does a run of Bond films and it always is almost exclusively. 2963 03:29:50.159 --> 03:29:54.600 The more films. That's interesting. I imagine they're probably out of them 2964 03:29:54.639 --> 03:30:01.120 all. I would imagine they might be the easiest. They're how because they're 2965 03:30:01.159 --> 03:30:05.319 definitely more crowd pleasers, because they they can appeal to more audiences because they're 2966 03:30:05.360 --> 03:30:09.840 definitely since they're generally cheesier, they're a little more fun, you know. 2967 03:30:11.120 --> 03:30:15.559 Yeah, and like you can definitely get more families watching that. And I 2968 03:30:15.719 --> 03:30:20.719 would imagine too that you know, they're probably not I mean, they're probably 2969 03:30:20.719 --> 03:30:28.040 all expensive to to get the rights to. I imagine all James Bond properties 2970 03:30:28.280 --> 03:30:31.280 are expensive. But I don't know, I somehow get the vibe that the 2971 03:30:31.399 --> 03:30:37.000 Roger Moore ones are probably on the cheaper end. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 2972 03:30:37.000 --> 03:30:41.959 I wouldn't think. I wouldn't think the Sean Connery ones would would would 2973 03:30:41.959 --> 03:30:46.159 come at a at a discount. Yeah. No. Trevor Hendy, thank 2974 03:30:46.159 --> 03:30:50.200 you very much for the support. Has always we appreciated on Patreon. Adam 2975 03:30:50.239 --> 03:30:54.040 too writes Wes Anderson should write and direct a seventeen minute short film about Kevin 2976 03:30:54.120 --> 03:30:58.639 Nash waking up in a Milan. In Milan, I like a Milan better 2977 03:30:58.040 --> 03:31:03.319 ordering a cappuccino from room service and then hanging around the hotel desk just so 2978 03:31:03.440 --> 03:31:07.879 he has the opportunity to give tourist directions. I sound like a Wes Anderson 2979 03:31:07.000 --> 03:31:11.159 joint to you. Totally does Oh my god, It's like he's you know 2980 03:31:13.040 --> 03:31:16.200 it takes you like forty minutes to find out that his whole family was killed, 2981 03:31:16.440 --> 03:31:18.799 like yep, and then you look at him the whole different way. 2982 03:31:20.360 --> 03:31:24.920 Frank Otderbine, thank you very much for your pledge, Joshua fairly, thank 2983 03:31:24.959 --> 03:31:28.360 you so very much for the support. Nico writes on Patreon. I hate 2984 03:31:28.399 --> 03:31:31.520 to correct Brett. After all, he is my hero, and I thank 2985 03:31:31.600 --> 03:31:37.319 him for letting me be that. That's fine. It's a really good line. 2986 03:31:39.040 --> 03:31:45.559 I thank you, Oh oh god, I thank him for letting me 2987 03:31:45.799 --> 03:31:48.680 let him be that. That's a good one. If you go to a 2988 03:31:48.719 --> 03:31:52.639 Brett autograph signing Brett, I just want you to know, I want to 2989 03:31:52.719 --> 03:32:00.680 thank you for letting me let you be my hero. Sit. Thirdly, 2990 03:32:03.120 --> 03:32:09.000 just stare at them. Smoked a bowl in a clue, But the song 2991 03:32:09.079 --> 03:32:13.680 that reached number four in the UK charts was in fact slam Jam from the 2992 03:32:13.680 --> 03:32:16.799 Wrestlingia album, not the song he featured on. It never been a right 2993 03:32:16.879 --> 03:32:22.719 time to say goodbye? Uh So probably took credit for for a single that 2994 03:32:22.799 --> 03:32:28.879 didn't quite uh didn't quite line up with what ascended the charts. There now 2995 03:32:28.000 --> 03:32:31.399 that can that can happen? Sure? Totally. Josh doesn't give a fuck. 2996 03:32:31.399 --> 03:32:41.520 He wrote nine to eleven turned me into Bob Holly. Literally Jit Greeting's 2997 03:32:41.600 --> 03:32:45.120 co chairs and the solar system. If you choose to read this on the 2998 03:32:45.159 --> 03:32:48.600 cast, what we are Josh? Sorry, no turning back now. Yeah. 2999 03:32:48.000 --> 03:32:50.799 Today I reached episode two ninety three of my Hike up the Ever Growing 3000 03:32:50.879 --> 03:32:54.520 Mound lapsed. I know this episode was from three years back, but I 3001 03:32:54.559 --> 03:32:56.079 wanted to share my story from that day and some thoughts on the episode. 3002 03:32:56.120 --> 03:32:58.520 In total. I grew up and at the time of nine eleven lived in 3003 03:32:58.600 --> 03:33:03.680 Sarnak, a small town in the Adirondecks. That to me, right there, 3004 03:33:03.719 --> 03:33:05.719 that's the sentence of a lifetime. I grew up in the time of 3005 03:33:05.799 --> 03:33:13.479 nine to eleven, So did I it? Just a grade sentence. That 3006 03:33:13.600 --> 03:33:16.840 morning I woke up and for some reason, which I would later discover, 3007 03:33:16.920 --> 03:33:18.280 I hadn't been woken by the music on the radio when I was late for 3008 03:33:18.360 --> 03:33:22.319 work. So I hauled ass across town to the Burger King the fast Feod 3009 03:33:22.520 --> 03:33:24.840 Joint not Jerry Lawler. The town seemed awful quiet for the time, but 3010 03:33:24.920 --> 03:33:28.639 I really hadn't thought about it. I got to the BK noticed we had 3011 03:33:28.680 --> 03:33:30.479 a radio on the counter, and I said, awesome, we'd get a 3012 03:33:30.559 --> 03:33:33.239 radio. And as I clocked and I saw the paper, and suddenly everything 3013 03:33:33.280 --> 03:33:35.920 made sense. There was no music on, so I hadn't woken up, 3014 03:33:35.959 --> 03:33:37.280 and why the town was so silent? And I was bissed. That's the 3015 03:33:37.319 --> 03:33:41.040 subject line, partially because of the event and partially because two days later was 3016 03:33:41.120 --> 03:33:45.559 my twenty first birthday and I had planned an epic party, one which definitely 3017 03:33:45.639 --> 03:33:48.600 was not going to happen. Now, yeah, said on my twenty first 3018 03:33:48.600 --> 03:33:52.120 birthday, I watched this SmackDown. God, I wish I had you guys 3019 03:33:52.159 --> 03:33:54.559 for company that night and never since. It truly would have helped. I 3020 03:33:54.639 --> 03:33:56.520 find it disappointing. What sad? What? And terrifying? What that in 3021 03:33:56.600 --> 03:34:01.120 twenty years as of when this episode dropped, we went from so unified as 3022 03:34:01.120 --> 03:34:03.559 a people too is fucking divided in toxic as Brett Hart and Sean Michaels. 3023 03:34:03.600 --> 03:34:07.440 That may be in poor taste given Brett's mom died on and because of nine 3024 03:34:07.479 --> 03:34:09.000 to eleven. But no, sacred cows, right, what the fuck is 3025 03:34:09.040 --> 03:34:13.440 he talking about? Brett's mom died because of nine to eleven? Could you 3026 03:34:13.479 --> 03:34:16.600 repeat to say that again? It's a word salad that may be in poor 3027 03:34:16.680 --> 03:34:20.920 taste given Brett's mom died on and because of nine to eleven. She died 3028 03:34:20.959 --> 03:34:24.280 in September eleventh, not two thousand and one. Maybe she did. I 3029 03:34:24.319 --> 03:34:33.079 don't think so, Allen see Selen, Ellen Hot, Why you're looking me 3030 03:34:33.200 --> 03:34:35.680 up? She died in November fourth, two thousand and one. Are you 3031 03:34:35.799 --> 03:34:43.120 touching me? No, Ellen hat Bowsome. Maybe we made a joke about 3032 03:34:43.159 --> 03:34:46.680 that that. I wouldn't put it past us. She that she caused nine 3033 03:34:46.680 --> 03:34:50.760 to eleven. No, I didn't say that, Boss. I'm totally with 3034 03:34:50.879 --> 03:34:54.440 you. Josh Wrights. I fucking hate Bruce Richard. Here we go, 3035 03:34:54.079 --> 03:35:01.000 good bitch hard instead of pritch Yard right, more than Jack hates laps Nash 3036 03:35:01.079 --> 03:35:05.000 well nearly since Brute's bitch had actually exists, speaking of, I keep expecting 3037 03:35:05.079 --> 03:35:07.840 Jack is going to hit the gunshot while Boss is in laps Nash mode. 3038 03:35:07.840 --> 03:35:11.959 No, I wouldn't dare shoot on Big keV. I wouldn't dare. He's 3039 03:35:11.000 --> 03:35:15.399 from Detroit after all. Sorry, he's been part of the mean streets. 3040 03:35:15.879 --> 03:35:18.440 Oh when Jeff Hardy in a room with the burger sums up what kind of 3041 03:35:18.440 --> 03:35:24.559 asshole he is, Because you know he's just feeling like a burger. I'm 3042 03:35:24.600 --> 03:35:28.079 just feeling like a burger, you know, I just feel like a burger. 3043 03:35:28.120 --> 03:35:31.760 Have you seen any of these videos of him screaming in the woods. 3044 03:35:31.079 --> 03:35:37.159 I cannot watch him. I cannot, I won't. It's it's just no 3045 03:35:37.840 --> 03:35:46.879 nop. You're gonna classify yourself as obsolete, I I he does, I 3046 03:35:46.920 --> 03:35:52.079 classify him as being obsolete. Well that's that's funny because he beat you to 3047 03:35:52.200 --> 03:35:54.799 it. Well that's fine. But you know what I don't. I don't, 3048 03:35:54.840 --> 03:36:00.239 I don't not. Nothing he says counts to me. So fuck him, 3049 03:36:01.760 --> 03:36:05.799 Jeff Hardy, bitch, you come on. He's given so much to 3050 03:36:05.879 --> 03:36:09.840 the business, Oh my god, so much joy. He's such a fucking 3051 03:36:09.920 --> 03:36:18.959 idiot. Why he's such a loser? Oh winner draw superstar carry retired eighteen 3052 03:36:18.040 --> 03:36:24.159 years ago. Miserable. I gotta keep thinking things to say, Well, 3053 03:36:24.200 --> 03:36:28.879 I find a link for you. Oh my god, why are you doing 3054 03:36:28.920 --> 03:36:31.680 that? I'm not doing anything. I'm just saying I think it's probably pretty 3055 03:36:31.680 --> 03:36:37.000 important that I listened to him and look at his ugly face and his uh 3056 03:36:37.159 --> 03:36:43.319 fucking stretched out ear lobes from his uh his earrings and ship and I just 3057 03:36:43.399 --> 03:36:48.440 want to take scissors to and cut. It's pretty much it's pretty much over 3058 03:36:48.520 --> 03:36:56.719 with TNA for them. Yeah, another another abort a mission. Oh my 3059 03:36:56.879 --> 03:36:58.440 god? How am I coming up short on this? It's all I've been 3060 03:36:58.520 --> 03:37:07.040 seeing story of their lives. Okay, let's see see if you can. 3061 03:37:07.479 --> 03:37:13.399 Can you give me any feedback on this? I don't know if it's gonna 3062 03:37:13.440 --> 03:37:18.799 work. It might not work, but I appreciate any feedback you may. 3063 03:37:22.000 --> 03:37:28.200 I'm letting of, letting down. My heart is done with breaking other hearts 3064 03:37:28.280 --> 03:37:33.840 of human beings, open minds that close down, seeing me for who I 3065 03:37:33.120 --> 03:37:39.280 really am, Dotsi's also gary, damn. I feel love consuming me. 3066 03:37:39.920 --> 03:37:46.600 Something feels less humanly, mother than myself, mother myself in lighting, mother 3067 03:37:46.600 --> 03:37:54.959 than myself, mother myself. Yeah. See, even the fucking wildlife is 3068 03:37:54.000 --> 03:37:58.680 pissed off at him, Like shut up? Do you see him trying to 3069 03:38:00.239 --> 03:38:01.799 express what's inside? I don't know why you have to be such a hater 3070 03:38:01.920 --> 03:38:07.559 about it. Nothing inside to express? You see the passion, There's nothing 3071 03:38:07.600 --> 03:38:11.200 in there. He is completely hollowed out by all the fucking drugs and recoveries 3072 03:38:11.239 --> 03:38:20.479 that he's gone through. He's worthless. That's so unfair. That's so unfair. 3073 03:38:20.879 --> 03:38:26.680 It's unfair. Like, what's unfair is him putting that kind of shit 3074 03:38:26.760 --> 03:38:31.760 out there to get responses, because it's absolutely atrocious. He's got as much 3075 03:38:31.840 --> 03:38:41.479 fucking musical talent as as a as a as a fucking dead frog. Dead 3076 03:38:41.600 --> 03:38:48.879 frog, Yeah, what a choice? A dead frog? Fuck A living 3077 03:38:48.959 --> 03:38:52.559 frog wouldn't have been any better. No, but a dead one, all 3078 03:38:52.639 --> 03:38:56.600 right, one that doesn't even have the strength or the ability to fucking make 3079 03:38:56.680 --> 03:39:01.840 a croaking sound. Okay, that's better. I don't know. I get 3080 03:39:01.959 --> 03:39:07.479 so upset about it. I thought you would have liked that clip. Well 3081 03:39:07.520 --> 03:39:16.040 you just fucking look at me. He just he's always hooded. He's yes, 3082 03:39:16.079 --> 03:39:20.399 he always always has a very tight hood reminds me of And this is 3083 03:39:20.440 --> 03:39:24.000 where I think it really, it really makes me feel sad, is because 3084 03:39:24.200 --> 03:39:28.840 here's a guy who who made it. Okay, whether I like him or 3085 03:39:28.920 --> 03:39:33.200 not, Yeah, success right, okay, But here he is trying to 3086 03:39:33.319 --> 03:39:37.399 do something and all that comes across is one of those fucking idiot guys who 3087 03:39:37.520 --> 03:39:46.680 can't those those idiot fucking uh middle aged to elderly men who still think there's 3088 03:39:46.719 --> 03:39:52.360 a chance at making it big something doing something like this they're still doing fucking 3089 03:39:52.680 --> 03:40:00.879 you know, uh like brewery gigs and ship like that. And I'm not 3090 03:40:01.120 --> 03:40:03.120 listen some of them. Of course, A much love to those drivers, 3091 03:40:03.239 --> 03:40:07.479 but like and I'm not trying to take anyone's not trying to But but you 3092 03:40:07.559 --> 03:40:13.680 know what, there comes a point, okay, much like what Roddy Piper 3093 03:40:13.760 --> 03:40:20.040 said to Vergil, there comes a point. And Jeff Hardy he's got no 3094 03:40:20.159 --> 03:40:35.440 point at all. There is no point to Jeff Hardy. H have you 3095 03:40:35.479 --> 03:40:41.239 said what needs to be said? You're satisfied now. I won't be satisfied 3096 03:40:41.319 --> 03:40:46.319 until I never know, Okay, then I'll be satisfied. He's not that 3097 03:40:46.520 --> 03:40:50.959 offensive, he's completely just because he shaves like lines in the side of his 3098 03:40:52.079 --> 03:40:56.639 face, just because again, just because he he needs to stay this like 3099 03:40:56.719 --> 03:41:03.639 the same attire, the same look, the same style that he had twenty 3100 03:41:03.719 --> 03:41:13.600 five years ago. Just stop it. Except the fact that it's okay to 3101 03:41:13.799 --> 03:41:24.200 change. I knew I was minded for gold, finally got it. Except 3102 03:41:24.440 --> 03:41:26.959 that it's okay to change. That's all he's been saying all these years about 3103 03:41:28.040 --> 03:41:31.280 Jeff Hardy, Folks, through the entirety of TNH and all of his travails. 3104 03:41:33.440 --> 03:41:41.159 That's all it came down to pretty simple. Apparently not, Holly cautiously 3105 03:41:41.239 --> 03:41:46.000 writes, relative to the WWF in Europe, I actually believe. In Spain 3106 03:41:46.159 --> 03:41:54.040 he was known as Randy the Gaspacho man, savage good spots O maham with 3107 03:41:54.280 --> 03:42:03.959 the with the topass rope elbow drop. We have the best listeners ever on 3108 03:42:03.159 --> 03:42:07.959 the top his rope. Oh fuck, that's amazing. That is tremendous. 3109 03:42:09.479 --> 03:42:13.559 David Barrant with a fucking home run. This probably was my favorite one of 3110 03:42:13.600 --> 03:42:22.799 the whole time period. In the mailbag he just wrote, he wrote, 3111 03:42:22.520 --> 03:42:33.120 Dan Peterson drips balsamic while calling matches. Damn fucking right he does, speaking 3112 03:42:33.200 --> 03:42:43.159 of balsamic drips. Dude drips balsamic. Yeah, some people, some people 3113 03:42:43.319 --> 03:42:50.680 sweat. Yep, he fuckings he gets it, rains buckets, he drips 3114 03:42:50.719 --> 03:42:56.040 balsamic. He gets dark vinegar coming like he's fucking ultimate Warrior in nineteen ninety 3115 03:42:56.079 --> 03:43:03.239 two. There's more to it, exactly, like exactly, but instead of 3116 03:43:03.239 --> 03:43:07.879 that being some mysterious good, it's balsamic vinegar. Yes, Adon Peterson rips 3117 03:43:07.920 --> 03:43:13.719 balsamic while calling matches, looking like Rudy Giuliani's sweating hair die while committing crimes. 3118 03:43:18.159 --> 03:43:20.000 I was just brilliantly observed. We don't hear a lot from him, 3119 03:43:20.079 --> 03:43:26.120 so just to air drop that when yeah, my day, Ryan writes, 3120 03:43:26.159 --> 03:43:30.440 I'm not gonna lie that Jerry Lawler Christmas sounds fucking awesome. No family to 3121 03:43:30.479 --> 03:43:33.000 deal with, sign me up. Oh yeah, you say that now, 3122 03:43:33.520 --> 03:43:37.959 Yeah, exactly say that now, and then you know, you realize that 3123 03:43:37.120 --> 03:43:41.879 at four point thirty it's time to put on your pajamas right and act like 3124 03:43:41.920 --> 03:43:48.079 you're a child when you're you know, seventy years old. Well, Jeopardy's 3125 03:43:48.120 --> 03:43:54.200 done, must be bedtime. Sanna's coming in the morning. Oh, that's 3126 03:43:54.239 --> 03:43:56.159 the thing. Like he's gonna take it. You know, he's gonna do 3127 03:43:56.200 --> 03:44:00.760 his own Santa gifting. You know, I believe that Jerry other puts trees 3128 03:44:00.799 --> 03:44:03.719 for himself under the tree I do. He does, he does, and 3129 03:44:03.920 --> 03:44:05.959 you know what he and he acts surprised when he wakes up in the morning, 3130 03:44:09.760 --> 03:44:26.319 Santa came. He'll say to nobody to himself. These are facts sitting 3131 03:44:26.360 --> 03:44:31.040 here waiting for the problem. Will it arrive the only time will tell. 3132 03:44:31.559 --> 03:44:35.280 Brendan Lloyd, thanks for the pledge, Appreciate the aboord, my friend. 3133 03:44:35.360 --> 03:44:41.159 It's always uh, it's always deeply. It instills a great sense of gratitude 3134 03:44:41.440 --> 03:44:45.680 in us. Brian Sours, thanks for the pledge, we appreciated. Joe 3135 03:44:45.799 --> 03:44:50.239 tell Ovi, Ted Toll, the rights for Telly Steiner would be a way 3136 03:44:50.319 --> 03:45:03.959 better name for bron Breaker. So awesome, Like that's like we never would 3137 03:45:05.000 --> 03:45:07.719 come across that, but it's just they're out there. They're one day we're 3138 03:45:07.719 --> 03:45:11.399 going to find him. If it's been set on a wrestling show, we're 3139 03:45:11.399 --> 03:45:16.120 going to find him. And for Telly Seiner is way up there. JW 3140 03:45:16.319 --> 03:45:20.079 writes on Patreon about the Rouge sneakers. I recall the first one I got 3141 03:45:20.200 --> 03:45:24.520 super young, early eighties. The pocket was close to inaccessible. I think 3142 03:45:24.559 --> 03:45:26.840 it loaded horizontal. Oh my god. The later one was more of a 3143 03:45:26.879 --> 03:45:31.280 pocket for an adult it would be useless, but I had payphone change in 3144 03:45:31.360 --> 03:45:35.719 mine. One was Velcrow when one was Zipper too. Don't really remember which 3145 03:45:35.840 --> 03:45:41.200 was which. Who put those on the market? Soap bizarre? Jeff Wright's 3146 03:45:41.239 --> 03:45:43.879 God, these lawlor stories make me think I need to check in on my 3147 03:45:43.040 --> 03:45:50.600 unmarried friends and family to make sure they're doing okay. I would He also 3148 03:45:50.639 --> 03:45:54.000 wants us to do a recurring Kevin Nash Raids the Rick Steves Guidebook podcast. 3149 03:45:56.159 --> 03:46:00.879 That'd be fucking great. Jerry Zegarelli, thanks for the We appreciate it. 3150 03:46:00.920 --> 03:46:03.799 Welcome to the VIP, tre Brian Sowers, thanks for the support. Same 3151 03:46:03.840 --> 03:46:07.120 to you, Max Griffno, we definitely appreciate it, don't all rights. 3152 03:46:07.200 --> 03:46:09.879 How am I supposed to go into living living as per normal in a world 3153 03:46:09.879 --> 03:46:15.280 where for Telly Steiner now dominates my consciousness. It's a great question. I 3154 03:46:15.399 --> 03:46:20.399 struggled with it myself. We talk about Mama sorrow a lot. Scott writes 3155 03:46:20.479 --> 03:46:24.760 to us a subject line my mom, Oh my God, right around Mother's 3156 03:46:24.840 --> 03:46:35.120 Day this year, my mom. Indeed, Greetings co chairman. I just 3157 03:46:35.280 --> 03:46:37.920 randomly thought of the interview that you did with Fred, the wrestling fan that 3158 03:46:39.040 --> 03:46:41.079 went on Wheel of Fortune a couple of times at least I think his name 3159 03:46:41.159 --> 03:46:43.559 was Fred, Yes, it was Fred. That episode feels like it was 3160 03:46:43.600 --> 03:46:46.520 so long ago. I remember talking to my mom a day or two after 3161 03:46:46.639 --> 03:46:50.000 hearing that episode and telling her some of the behind the scenes details that he 3162 03:46:50.120 --> 03:46:54.200 dropped. She's a huge Wheel of Fortune fan, so I figured she'd be 3163 03:46:54.280 --> 03:46:56.520 interested. I told her that you guys asked all the questions that she'd probably 3164 03:46:56.559 --> 03:47:00.479 ask if she met someone that had been on the show you got a kick 3165 03:47:00.520 --> 03:47:03.079 out of it, and asked me to send her the podcast, oh oh, 3166 03:47:03.959 --> 03:47:07.840 so she could listen later. I told her I would, knowing that 3167 03:47:07.959 --> 03:47:11.000 I could just never send it and she'd forget all about it. I was 3168 03:47:11.120 --> 03:47:16.159 right. It's funny. I'm just now realizing that I've written you guys about 3169 03:47:16.159 --> 03:47:18.840 my maha a couple of times in the past. The last time I wrote 3170 03:47:18.840 --> 03:47:20.639 to you was during the Scott Hall tribute. I talked about my mom taking 3171 03:47:20.680 --> 03:47:24.879 me to the Hogan versus Goldberg Nitro, and us witnessing a bunch of redneckcl 3172 03:47:26.000 --> 03:47:31.399 slurs at at Scott Hall in one of the Georgia Dome parking areas. Also, 3173 03:47:33.000 --> 03:47:39.879 fucking that's Scott Hall. Okay, yeah, Like I also wrote to 3174 03:47:39.959 --> 03:47:43.680 you about the time my buddy and I were crouch chopping at the neighbor's dog. 3175 03:47:43.799 --> 03:47:46.840 So my mom got a call telling her that we had been whacking off 3176 03:47:48.040 --> 03:47:56.559 in front of the animals. Can I I'm hello, Hello, I just 3177 03:47:56.600 --> 03:48:01.319 want to tell you I saw one of your friends. I saw your son 3178 03:48:01.360 --> 03:48:09.159 and one of his friends. They were masturbating on animals. Are you okay? 3179 03:48:09.239 --> 03:48:15.920 With that. Yes, is that what you've taught your son to do? 3180 03:48:18.680 --> 03:48:22.799 Yes, I have. I taught him how to jerk off in front 3181 03:48:22.799 --> 03:48:26.920 of fucking animals. I wish that I was sharing something more like that this 3182 03:48:28.040 --> 03:48:31.280 time, savvly. My mom passed away a month ago. She had been 3183 03:48:31.319 --> 03:48:33.959 battling liver disease for the past nine years. She was put on a transplant 3184 03:48:35.040 --> 03:48:39.319 list, but eventually turned into cancer. Sorry man. After two more years 3185 03:48:39.360 --> 03:48:43.760 of treatment, she was finally declared cancer free and thus moved up the list 3186 03:48:43.840 --> 03:48:46.760 for her liver transplant. She had the transplant and right before Thanksgiving twenty twenty 3187 03:48:46.799 --> 03:48:50.680 three, and I've been recovering so smoothly, but she suddenly just started having 3188 03:48:50.760 --> 03:48:54.479 trouble catching your breath. After about six months, she was put on oxygen, 3189 03:48:54.520 --> 03:49:01.040 but after a few weeks they intubated her and put her on ventilator because 3190 03:49:01.079 --> 03:49:05.079 she just wasn't getting better. My sister was convinced that my mom could hear 3191 03:49:05.120 --> 03:49:09.360 the people around her while she was in her medically induced coma. She talked 3192 03:49:09.399 --> 03:49:13.120 to her a lot while while she was like that. I brought up the 3193 03:49:13.200 --> 03:49:16.680 idea of playing music or something for her to listen to when we oh, 3194 03:49:16.879 --> 03:49:20.520 I have a bad feeling about this when we couldn't be in the room. 3195 03:49:20.760 --> 03:49:24.000 This led to a later conversation with one of my cousins, who joked that 3196 03:49:24.120 --> 03:49:26.399 if I were ever in that situation, he'd put some AirPods in my ear 3197 03:49:26.479 --> 03:49:31.520 and play the lapsed fan for me. Mom said on that ventilator for a 3198 03:49:31.600 --> 03:49:33.520 week. Before Organs reached the point of no return, the family came together 3199 03:49:33.559 --> 03:49:37.280 and made the decision to turn off live support. When the time came, 3200 03:49:37.319 --> 03:49:41.360 my sister noticed that it was actually time for her for Wheel of Fortune to 3201 03:49:41.399 --> 03:49:45.360 start. She played that night's episode from some app on her phone and placed 3202 03:49:45.399 --> 03:49:48.319 it by our mom's head. We figured she'd appreciate us letting her listen to 3203 03:49:48.360 --> 03:49:52.200 one last episode. It wasn't until later that we realized she couldn't actually see 3204 03:49:52.239 --> 03:49:56.079 the puzzles, so it was probably really frustrating, but I digress. I 3205 03:49:56.200 --> 03:50:00.479 hoped to someday be able to afford the mote tier on page Tran and Wrestle 3206 03:50:00.520 --> 03:50:03.559 Mommy sounds so fucking funny, and every time I hear a clip, I'm 3207 03:50:03.600 --> 03:50:07.559 reminded of some of the insane things my mom would say in reaction to pro 3208 03:50:07.600 --> 03:50:11.079 wrestling. The last time she ever watched wrestling with me was about a year 3209 03:50:11.159 --> 03:50:15.520 ago when she showed up at my house while I was watching an old w 3210 03:50:15.639 --> 03:50:20.040 c W pay perview. I pointed to the Hollywood blonde I pointed, pointed 3211 03:50:20.079 --> 03:50:22.040 to Hollywood blondes eara. Steve Austin said, do you know who that is? 3212 03:50:22.120 --> 03:50:28.559 She said, Oh, yeah, that's Rick Flair. Conversation. Okay, 3213 03:50:28.879 --> 03:50:33.719 I'll say this. I I was dreading that that he while she was 3214 03:50:33.760 --> 03:50:41.040 in the coma, that he might have played that episode for her, the 3215 03:50:41.040 --> 03:50:43.360 Wheel of Fortune ship. That would have Yeah, that might not have worked. 3216 03:50:43.719 --> 03:50:46.799 No, it might not have work, but you know what, maybe 3217 03:50:46.840 --> 03:50:50.360 it would have Anyway. I'm sorry for the novel, but thank you for 3218 03:50:50.440 --> 03:50:52.040 everything. You guys do. Love your parents while you can and force them 3219 03:50:52.079 --> 03:51:01.159 to watch sports entertainment bullshit more often. Scott, sound your your mama sorrow 3220 03:51:01.200 --> 03:51:05.239 stuff, you know. Inspiring? Yeah, inspiring. That appreciation for the 3221 03:51:05.319 --> 03:51:11.600 moms out there definitely was a mother's day to remember. As we dropped the 3222 03:51:11.600 --> 03:51:15.879 one hundredth episode of Wrestling Mommy did we did Technica nineteen oh two. Thank 3223 03:51:15.879 --> 03:51:18.360 you very much for the media pledge. We appreciated. We've talked a lot 3224 03:51:18.399 --> 03:51:22.760 about you. Know that WWF European Tour and just the WAF European tours of 3225 03:51:22.799 --> 03:51:24.799 the Hasbro era. It was tough because you know, there wasn't a lot 3226 03:51:24.879 --> 03:51:28.440 said about these shows in Italy or that particular show in Italy. There's you 3227 03:51:28.479 --> 03:51:31.440 know, broad stroke stuff about the tours that people remember. We conveyed what 3228 03:51:31.520 --> 03:51:33.840 Brett says in his book, for instance, about a lot of the tours, 3229 03:51:33.879 --> 03:51:37.559 and he has some great memories. But our pal Zach thought, you 3230 03:51:37.600 --> 03:51:41.959 know, maybe we can dial this thing up a bit. Brother, Maybe 3231 03:51:41.000 --> 03:51:46.159 we can hear from somebody who was on the road with WWF at the time 3232 03:51:46.079 --> 03:51:52.520 and who just has a way with stories and who may have in fact replicated 3233 03:51:52.600 --> 03:52:01.079 his Beverly Brothers match at European Rampage. Oh get they Jack, how about 3234 03:52:01.120 --> 03:52:11.280 bloody hell, you're looking great, that's thinking Colonia wearing mate smells like bloody 3235 03:52:11.559 --> 03:52:16.559 rotten sidings which would be laying in the sun for five days. Can imagine 3236 03:52:16.600 --> 03:52:22.520 that, mate, And you know what that smells like? Mate w w 3237 03:52:22.799 --> 03:52:28.000 in Prairinching Hall of Fame, the here but like Luke a mate. Before 3238 03:52:28.040 --> 03:52:35.479 I gone any further, This shout out was booked from Zach Volk your mate. 3239 03:52:35.879 --> 03:52:41.399 He must love it for me to do this shout out to you anyhow. 3240 03:52:41.200 --> 03:52:46.600 He's asked me if there's any stories from the Europe to in nineteen ninety 3241 03:52:46.719 --> 03:52:52.120 three. Well, mate, I'm pretty blank on those weeks. We were 3242 03:52:52.159 --> 03:52:56.760 going to Europe twice a year, maybe three times a year, and then 3243 03:52:56.920 --> 03:53:01.879 and then at that time, and I I remember I remember one of nineteen 3244 03:53:01.040 --> 03:53:09.559 ninety two and in the Wembley Stadium in England when Davy Boy, the British 3245 03:53:09.600 --> 03:53:15.879 Bulldog, Davy Boy fought Brett Hart. That was for the title match, 3246 03:53:15.959 --> 03:53:20.079 and that was a big show and we were on that. That was in 3247 03:53:20.159 --> 03:53:22.959 the Wembley Stadium, the old Wembley Stadium, and it held me. I 3248 03:53:24.000 --> 03:53:28.079 think we had ninety six thousand people there, something like that, four hundred 3249 03:53:28.079 --> 03:53:33.600 and ninety six four or ninety four six, some ridiculous number. And you 3250 03:53:33.680 --> 03:53:37.559 know, to get a stadium that full, it takes hours and that and 3251 03:53:37.799 --> 03:53:43.680 we were the first match, yep, butch Me and Jim Duggan one of 3252 03:53:43.840 --> 03:53:50.479 three, a whoa, a yay and a whole so brother. When it 3253 03:53:50.639 --> 03:53:56.479 was our turn, you know, after the people were still coming in after 3254 03:53:56.559 --> 03:54:00.120 about three hours. It takes maybe it's three or four hours to full the 3255 03:54:00.159 --> 03:54:05.079 place up. Anyhow, we went out there and we got in the ring 3256 03:54:05.799 --> 03:54:09.159 and we matched around and put a head under the second of the top rope 3257 03:54:09.479 --> 03:54:15.120 and I did the world butchered theda and dug it in the hole. Well, 3258 03:54:15.239 --> 03:54:18.959 we ended up doing that for nine minutes, keeping going around the ring. 3259 03:54:18.399 --> 03:54:24.440 That whole arena was doing it. You know when you listen to English 3260 03:54:24.639 --> 03:54:30.079 or Europeans soccer or football, European football, all the people singing, the 3261 03:54:30.200 --> 03:54:33.079 audience, Well, that's how it was. And it didn't stop. We 3262 03:54:33.280 --> 03:54:39.760 had to stop and start doing a match after about nine minutes. And everything 3263 03:54:39.840 --> 03:54:43.959 we did in the match, and we didn't do much because we didn't need 3264 03:54:45.040 --> 03:54:50.159 to do much. Everything we did, the people were screaming here the place 3265 03:54:50.239 --> 03:54:54.159 when it was alive. Mate, that was one of the loudest sounds I 3266 03:54:54.399 --> 03:55:00.920 ever got from an arena. Yeah, well I ever heard. And Dougan 3267 03:55:00.959 --> 03:55:05.319 will say that, and of course God blessed, but he said that he 3268 03:55:05.520 --> 03:55:13.479 was saying that before he passed. Yep, it was the loudest and I 3269 03:55:13.559 --> 03:55:16.719 think it was a great, great match. We got plenty of comments on 3270 03:55:16.879 --> 03:55:24.559 that match from a lot of people just for the three characters in the Ring 3271 03:55:24.680 --> 03:55:31.319 us three characters. And also that night the road Warriors were against I can't 3272 03:55:31.360 --> 03:55:37.799 re move and I were against. But that's when Hawk dropped about nine Sohmers 3273 03:55:37.040 --> 03:55:43.479 must relaxes down his gullets, and the boy he went aol. He went 3274 03:55:43.600 --> 03:55:48.879 missing, missing in action for nine days after that. I think we had 3275 03:55:48.920 --> 03:55:54.040 a couple more shows in Europe, in England or Europe, and then we 3276 03:55:54.440 --> 03:56:00.760 headed home and we never saw Hawk for another week. He got hooked up 3277 03:56:00.799 --> 03:56:07.120 with the Hell's Angels. Oh there anyhow, and then matching the at the 3278 03:56:07.159 --> 03:56:11.639 Big Show, they went to rings. They went to the Ring on Harley's 3279 03:56:11.959 --> 03:56:18.319 and the Big Show. Port got with the motorbike gang. I think it 3280 03:56:18.479 --> 03:56:22.600 was whatever gang it was over there. He got with him and he didn't 3281 03:56:22.680 --> 03:56:28.120 leave them for nine days. He just partied with it. Hope would go 3282 03:56:28.280 --> 03:56:33.840 am I a quite a bit. And of course Marty's in Eddie another one. 3283 03:56:33.040 --> 03:56:37.399 Doesn't matter where you were in Europe on the last day, he would 3284 03:56:37.479 --> 03:56:41.920 never turn up. He'd be parting from the night before and then and then 3285 03:56:43.000 --> 03:56:46.520 next minute you'll see him. Back in the States, and the office always 3286 03:56:46.600 --> 03:56:50.920 kept your passports, so I guess they had a border whatever they did. 3287 03:56:52.120 --> 03:56:56.440 I don't know how they got in baggage started. But Marty was one for 3288 03:56:56.600 --> 03:57:05.440 Gone Mi I a nearly every year pre and tour party. Mary Mary jennetties. 3289 03:57:05.479 --> 03:57:09.959 Yeah, they were great. They were great tours over there made bloody 3290 03:57:09.040 --> 03:57:16.920 great tours. Good times, especially in Europe, different countries in the in 3291 03:57:18.159 --> 03:57:26.120 Europe were great, great times. We were new in a lot of bloody 3292 03:57:26.840 --> 03:57:33.200 countries and the reaction to everything was wild. Now getting back to the Hongy 3293 03:57:33.280 --> 03:57:39.959 necklaces, it wasn't a Hongy necklace. A Hongy is when we when two 3294 03:57:41.879 --> 03:57:48.120 Maoris were the original how many necklaces they were in ninety they rubbed their noses. 3295 03:57:48.239 --> 03:57:54.959 That was the meeting of the Maori when they met each other, going 3296 03:57:54.079 --> 03:58:00.559 back into the eighteenth century in nineteen nineteen, early nineteenth century, when they 3297 03:58:00.639 --> 03:58:09.559 meet they rub noses and and uh and the necklace is a Tikei necklace here 3298 03:58:09.959 --> 03:58:20.799 it's a replica. Yeah, going back to the ages the Maori's it's what 3299 03:58:20.920 --> 03:58:28.920 would they say, and as an ancestral police anyhow, it's from their gods 3300 03:58:30.040 --> 03:58:35.639 or who they believe their race. That's what things around the neck and it's 3301 03:58:35.719 --> 03:58:41.639 handed down usually the ticket is handed down from a family member to the next 3302 03:58:41.760 --> 03:58:48.520 generation to the next generation, and they say that the ticket gets more power 3303 03:58:48.879 --> 03:58:54.280 as it goes from generations of generation. But they sold around New Zealand and 3304 03:58:54.399 --> 03:59:01.200 all the stores and uh and the airports as a necklace, you know, 3305 03:59:01.680 --> 03:59:09.079 a leather a piece of leather usually holding them with the class and the tickie 3306 03:59:11.000 --> 03:59:18.799 readily made out of greenstone, the stone greenstone, but a lot of them 3307 03:59:18.840 --> 03:59:24.399 are carved out of wood. About if you go and look at now tickeys 3308 03:59:24.639 --> 03:59:28.639 and you can read about it, what the what what the story is on 3309 03:59:28.799 --> 03:59:35.440 them, the older the older Maria's well, now they're in the eighth cast, 3310 03:59:37.200 --> 03:59:39.440 you know, the ones that are bred there in New Zealand. Now 3311 03:59:39.840 --> 03:59:46.799 they're about eight eight percent married. But the original ones going back further, 3312 03:59:46.280 --> 03:59:54.360 that was very The tikey was a very important part of the end ancestry, 3313 03:59:56.520 --> 04:00:03.760 the family line, right, that's any other And the funny part is about 3314 04:00:03.799 --> 04:00:07.920 the hongy. When we had started doing that on wwe the nose rub you 3315 04:00:09.040 --> 04:00:13.600 know as a greeting, people thought we're head butting and they would come up 3316 04:00:13.680 --> 04:00:16.600 to us and bars, especially going to the ring. If you lean over 3317 04:00:16.680 --> 04:00:22.799 the barrier to rub their hand. They're trying to head butcher and if you're 3318 04:00:22.799 --> 04:00:26.360 anywhere else outside, they come up and that they were told it was a 3319 04:00:26.520 --> 04:00:31.040 meeting. It was a way of meeting, but they thought it was their 3320 04:00:31.079 --> 04:00:35.200 head butt instead of a nose rub boy. So we stopped doing that bloody 3321 04:00:35.280 --> 04:00:41.000 hongy very soon after we started because people were giving it a boom. Fuck. 3322 04:00:43.319 --> 04:00:52.120 Our head was all swallen up here. The bloody barsnd jack. Just 3323 04:00:52.239 --> 04:01:03.680 a little stories there about the butchwaggers in Europe and and the hungy what have 3324 04:01:03.799 --> 04:01:11.760 at day. Well, it's right, I mean, what a ride fuck 3325 04:01:11.920 --> 04:01:15.479 is he talking about it? He was asked about the necklaces that they wore 3326 04:01:15.719 --> 04:01:18.159 in like ninety five. They were like these wooden carvings around their neck and 3327 04:01:18.200 --> 04:01:24.959 apparently they have maory significance from the tribes of New Zealand. The hungy h 3328 04:01:24.040 --> 04:01:30.079 O n g i is a traditional Maori greeting in which people press their noses 3329 04:01:30.159 --> 04:01:33.280 together, and I guess they decided to try to do some of these ancient 3330 04:01:33.360 --> 04:01:37.440 moory things at a certain point as bushwhackers. I don't really remember this, 3331 04:01:39.319 --> 04:01:41.319 and they would like go to touch noses with the fans as the greeting and 3332 04:01:41.959 --> 04:01:46.920 that's inappropriate. They thought it was like an invitation to head button the bushwhackers, 3333 04:01:46.120 --> 04:01:50.879 so they stopped doing that pretty quickly. Yeah, he went in a 3334 04:01:50.959 --> 04:01:54.840 lot of different directions there. I mean he went in pretty much every direction, 3335 04:01:54.959 --> 04:01:58.639 but the one we wanted, well, we didn't even request it. 3336 04:01:58.719 --> 04:02:03.559 That's a that's our pal Zach doing us a real solid there. But you 3337 04:02:03.680 --> 04:02:05.920 never know what's behind door number one or two or three over at the cameo. 3338 04:02:07.399 --> 04:02:09.719 You never know. Certainly your co chairmen are up on cameo available to 3339 04:02:09.799 --> 04:02:13.879 you for your party favorite needs, right, Boss, you've had any whacky 3340 04:02:13.440 --> 04:02:18.159 requests? Lightly tell you you know, I've been very I have to admit 3341 04:02:18.239 --> 04:02:20.879 I apologize to the ones of the last couple of weeks or a couple of 3342 04:02:20.920 --> 04:02:24.079 months. Really, I've been so bad at getting to them. It's just 3343 04:02:24.159 --> 04:02:28.760 been just kind of crazy trying to get everything. You know. I've said 3344 04:02:28.799 --> 04:02:33.440 it before. I'll say I hate summer. Summer sucks because just the schedules 3345 04:02:33.479 --> 04:02:37.200 are just completely out of whack and and I just you know, I have 3346 04:02:37.319 --> 04:02:43.239 no time for anything because I'm grabbing my kid everywhere. So it's it's terfaul 3347 04:02:43.479 --> 04:02:48.520 obviously. So Yes, if you're out there and you sent a request in 3348 04:02:48.639 --> 04:02:52.040 and didn't get it responded to hit us back. Yeah, well we'll get 3349 04:02:52.079 --> 04:02:58.719 there. So, yeah, it has been a while since I've fulfilled one, 3350 04:02:58.959 --> 04:03:01.559 but there is one in the the there's one in the chamber right now. 3351 04:03:03.000 --> 04:03:07.280 Very nice. Let's see what the request is. Oh, it's for 3352 04:03:09.200 --> 04:03:13.440 So it's for it's for this person's boyfriend. And I guess they made them 3353 04:03:15.079 --> 04:03:20.840 a huge wrestling fan and with the help of us, and so they apparently 3354 04:03:20.920 --> 04:03:24.799 they want this is what the request. I don't know what the request actually 3355 04:03:24.959 --> 04:03:28.600 is there, but I wanted to thank him for being so awesome. We 3356 04:03:28.680 --> 04:03:33.479 love Terry Funk, Vincent Hulk Cogan. Interesting, okay, so are you 3357 04:03:33.639 --> 04:03:37.600 asking that? Is that what you want? You know? That's fine, 3358 04:03:37.680 --> 04:03:41.360 we'll get it done. Yeah, she must mean our versions of those people. 3359 04:03:41.600 --> 04:03:43.680 Yes, I mean, I I know, I know. But like 3360 04:03:43.920 --> 04:03:48.000 usually there's like a request what to say call my boyfriend a fucking asshole or 3361 04:03:48.040 --> 04:03:50.760 something, you know, for his birthday. He'll love that, you know 3362 04:03:50.920 --> 04:03:56.760 something. Usually you know, tell them I don't know whatever, So it's 3363 04:03:56.760 --> 04:04:01.479 it's ah, but yes, well, well you know what, always think 3364 04:04:01.520 --> 04:04:05.719 of something, so it'll happen. We are the people the cameo creators had 3365 04:04:05.760 --> 04:04:11.120 in mind when they created the concept, because I'm always so tickled to get 3366 04:04:11.280 --> 04:04:13.840 random cameos from wrestlers, from members of the Solar system who think that would 3367 04:04:13.879 --> 04:04:16.760 be funny. I mean, Zach has a lot of credit for h from 3368 04:04:16.799 --> 04:04:20.280 coming up the idea. You know, it's it's a regular part of cinemat 3369 04:04:20.319 --> 04:04:22.719 as well as the main shows these days. We just had Diamond Ellis Page 3370 04:04:22.719 --> 04:04:26.079 on the Greed Show, for instance, just sitting there waiting, you know, 3371 04:04:26.680 --> 04:04:28.440 because all we really want are ten minutes at a time with these folks 3372 04:04:28.479 --> 04:04:33.319 anyway, Right, to do a three hour interview with these motherfuckers costs about 3373 04:04:33.360 --> 04:04:37.000 the same as you would at a wrestle con too, So yeah, it's 3374 04:04:37.040 --> 04:04:41.600 fair. It's a fair exchange, Vanessa writes to us. Carney's boss are 3375 04:04:41.639 --> 04:04:48.680 forever all right, Vanessa Rollins brother, please please don't anyway, dear coach 3376 04:04:48.760 --> 04:04:52.159 chairman, like a normal father, my dad had no interest in watching wrestle 3377 04:04:52.239 --> 04:05:00.639 with me as a kid. Yes, thank god for that. Father watched 3378 04:05:00.959 --> 04:05:03.159 wrestling from Marigo all the time. He would scream and yell at the TV. 3379 04:05:03.600 --> 04:05:07.079 But you know it's fake, right, How do you watch this shit 3380 04:05:07.319 --> 04:05:11.079 right. He put up with it, though, He bought me shirts and 3381 04:05:11.120 --> 04:05:13.479 pay per views and generally tried to be as supportive as a sane adult could 3382 04:05:13.520 --> 04:05:18.680 be of a child sadly lost to the sport of kings. One thing we 3383 04:05:18.840 --> 04:05:22.840 did watch together was James Bond movies. Uh oh. We had the whole 3384 04:05:22.920 --> 04:05:26.760 collection on VHS. We watched them over and over. We talked about which 3385 04:05:26.799 --> 04:05:28.600 Bond was the best. He loved Sean Connery. I loved Roger Moore, 3386 04:05:28.959 --> 04:05:31.799 But twenty years ago this year, while I was still in high school, 3387 04:05:31.799 --> 04:05:35.959 he passed away from colon cancer. My deepest sympathies. After that, my 3388 04:05:37.040 --> 04:05:41.040 love of Bond faded. I watched only a couple of the Daniel Craig movies. 3389 04:05:41.319 --> 04:05:43.200 They were good, but my heart just wasn't in it anymore. Enter 3390 04:05:46.000 --> 04:05:50.360 Carnies are forever right. Much like Jack, I've never really been a movie 3391 04:05:50.440 --> 04:05:54.440 person. I think you're not a movie person. You're a movie person. 3392 04:05:56.440 --> 04:06:05.280 When I was saying that watching those oh yeah, I mean there's movie people, 3393 04:06:05.399 --> 04:06:07.760 and then there's like going to Emerson and like, oh yeah, I 3394 04:06:07.840 --> 04:06:11.200 mean like, no, I'm not that kind of movie person. No, 3395 04:06:11.360 --> 04:06:13.440 no, no, no, I wouldn't say that I love movies, but 3396 04:06:13.559 --> 04:06:18.799 I I never I'm never the person that's seen all the movies you're supposed to 3397 04:06:18.840 --> 04:06:20.920 see. Yeah, of course, yeah, I understand. It's why I 3398 04:06:20.959 --> 04:06:26.319 love cinemat Yeah. The excuse is to check these boxes. Oh yeah, 3399 04:06:26.399 --> 04:06:28.639 I've had enough years to watch these movies on my own record, and I 3400 04:06:28.840 --> 04:06:33.559 haven't, so I never would have otherwise. Yeah, I actually get some 3401 04:06:33.760 --> 04:06:37.639 you know. Actually it's funny some of it. Sometimes there have been sometimes 3402 04:06:39.159 --> 04:06:45.799 where I've had movies that I've actually bought and I've never watched them. Yep, 3403 04:06:46.360 --> 04:06:48.319 And I'm like, oh, well, this actually qualifies. It's just 3404 04:06:48.600 --> 04:06:54.000 throw this in your effect. It's a beautiful thing we have going it is 3405 04:06:54.280 --> 04:06:58.120 actually is the understanding among my friends is that if you're going to ask me 3406 04:06:58.159 --> 04:07:00.760 if I've seen a movie, just to sue my ab and then proceed with 3407 04:07:00.840 --> 04:07:05.760 your story from there. Exactly. So I forked over my hard earned long 3408 04:07:05.879 --> 04:07:09.959 greens to upgrade to the EPT here a while back, to become more con 3409 04:07:09.360 --> 04:07:16.520 conversant. Is that's absolutely in film. I appreciate it when people are you 3410 04:07:16.600 --> 04:07:18.639 know, people are much more intelligent than I am. In certain just a 3411 04:07:18.719 --> 04:07:22.040 word, she knows, that's all I just don't know. It's a word. 3412 04:07:22.079 --> 04:07:28.239 I don't know. I've never heard conversant before, capable of conversing on 3413 04:07:28.319 --> 04:07:33.440 a subject. I am conversant in it, I guess in film and film 3414 04:07:33.760 --> 04:07:43.959 history. And when when Carnier Carnier, Carnie's type of Carnia. Yeah, 3415 04:07:43.319 --> 04:07:46.760 yeah, that's uh, that's what they call it in France. Yeah. 3416 04:07:48.520 --> 04:07:52.639 Started. I was curious would draw me in more than other films, considering 3417 04:07:52.680 --> 04:07:54.360 my history with them, And dear coach here, I write to you to 3418 04:07:54.399 --> 04:07:58.879 inform you that I sit by my phone with bated breath, Yes, watching 3419 04:07:58.920 --> 04:08:05.360 for notifications. Yes you do. Twenty four to seven seven eleven South. 3420 04:08:05.479 --> 04:08:07.840 Oh my god, that's great for the next episode of carneiz are forever to 3421 04:08:07.920 --> 04:08:11.280 come out. I say this with nothing but the deepest reference for the work 3422 04:08:11.319 --> 04:08:15.799 you've done for the past ten years. I haven't been this anticipatory for the 3423 04:08:15.840 --> 04:08:20.200 next episode of a podcast since season one of Cereal. Wow, the trial 3424 04:08:20.239 --> 04:08:26.719 of all of his life came closed. But this is un controvertible. Damn 3425 04:08:26.879 --> 04:08:31.120 God, lover. These are big words for me. I need it, 3426 04:08:31.760 --> 04:08:33.680 I have to have it. I don't know if I have words to relate 3427 04:08:33.719 --> 04:08:37.360 the excitement I had during the final scenes of Honor Majesty Secret Service, knowing 3428 04:08:37.440 --> 04:08:41.959 that both I and JP were hiding a dark and terrible secret for Jess. 3429 04:08:43.239 --> 04:08:48.680 Yes, oh god, that was hard. That was hard. It was 3430 04:08:48.760 --> 04:08:58.360 hard preparing that episode making sure I kept any reference of Tracy getting whacked. 3431 04:08:58.559 --> 04:09:03.239 Yeah. Yes, very artist, fuck very challenging. I don't know how 3432 04:09:03.239 --> 04:09:13.040 I'm supposed to hear someone speak German around me good five. Yeah, I 3433 04:09:13.120 --> 04:09:16.920 don't know how I'm not supposed to see a white Catholic el Dorado and not 3434 04:09:18.200 --> 04:09:22.840 immediately call it a bit of obio? What mobile? A pimpmobile? Yes, 3435 04:09:24.559 --> 04:09:35.559 thank you for stuffing my arm. You know, I know, I 3436 04:09:35.680 --> 04:09:39.920 know after ten years. I know, after ten years, it still catches 3437 04:09:39.000 --> 04:09:45.719 me off. Dard when people phrase it a certain way. Cliff said cinnamon 3438 04:09:45.760 --> 04:09:50.920 hole before, right, like, thank you for stuffing my holes with knowledge. 3439 04:09:52.000 --> 04:09:56.479 Get it up the fucking knowledge. Come on, got it up there 3440 04:09:58.239 --> 04:10:00.760 for all these years. Thank you for creating something. The Grinch with the 3441 04:10:00.840 --> 04:10:07.200 Christmas tree sact by exactly. That tree is knowledge, all right, and 3442 04:10:07.360 --> 04:10:15.360 Vanessa's hole is the fucking chety. Sorry Vanessa, but you started it. 3443 04:10:15.520 --> 04:10:18.559 I blame you. Thank you for being something that in this time of malaise 3444 04:10:20.079 --> 04:10:24.280 invokes in me excitement, joy and anticipation. Thank you for Holcomania, and 3445 04:10:24.399 --> 04:10:28.799 thank you for Carnie's r Forever see Boss, the work you're doing means something 3446 04:10:28.840 --> 04:10:35.239 to people. I appreciate that and lovely to know it is always Ken Canew 3447 04:10:35.319 --> 04:10:37.399 writes, I did a forty I did a year abroad in Spain and used 3448 04:10:37.399 --> 04:10:41.879 to love watching raw. I'd be condensed to a forty five minute highlight show 3449 04:10:41.959 --> 04:10:45.760 interspersed with random vignettes if wrestlers dubbed over good. I did a Broaden New 3450 04:10:45.840 --> 04:10:56.239 Year in Spain, but I did more than one broad actually did more than 3451 04:10:56.319 --> 04:11:05.840 abroad on Laurambla. Were you born a rumblin man? Vince in Barcelona? 3452 04:11:07.239 --> 04:11:16.600 I do appreciate Barcelona. Oh shit, Vince gets blown on the on the 3453 04:11:16.760 --> 04:11:22.719 Brambla. Oh yeah, in between like vendors selling like keychains. Yes, 3454 04:11:26.200 --> 04:11:30.760 uh, it'd be condensed to a forty five minute highlight show interspersed with randam 3455 04:11:30.799 --> 04:11:35.799 vignettes of wrestlers dubbed over by the commentator he'd called triple H tree play tree 3456 04:11:35.879 --> 04:11:39.719 play tree, playych cha yach cha yat yay. Wow, that's tremendous and 3457 04:11:39.840 --> 04:11:43.719 at the end of mister Kennedy doing his microphone bit, he'd say Gracia signor 3458 04:11:43.840 --> 04:11:46.280 Kennedy. Also, they would never show the first entrance, so whoever came 3459 04:11:46.319 --> 04:11:50.200 out first was a de facto jobber, nice collar sendor Kennedy, Kennedy. 3460 04:11:52.360 --> 04:11:58.639 There's some color on WWA European broadcasts. Stephen Wats writes, I must confess 3461 04:11:58.680 --> 04:12:03.040 that seventeen year old needed buy a double cologne during the Quantum of Solace promotion. 3462 04:12:03.399 --> 04:12:05.799 Oh wow, I didn't know they had one during this more modern era. 3463 04:12:05.959 --> 04:12:09.239 That's crazy to not result in the murder of any woman. Also, 3464 04:12:09.319 --> 04:12:11.879 is it too early to name Roger Moore at the MVP of this journey? 3465 04:12:11.239 --> 04:12:13.520 No, actually, I'm I'm gonna come out and say it. I think 3466 04:12:13.559 --> 04:12:18.719 he is, that he is the hero of this of this journey. Yeah, 3467 04:12:18.879 --> 04:12:20.920 well, I don't know what's to come. That's the thing. I 3468 04:12:20.840 --> 04:12:24.440 mean, I know a little bit. I just don't think. I don't 3469 04:12:24.479 --> 04:12:28.879 think anybody else, because because here's the thing, no other James. We're 3470 04:12:28.920 --> 04:12:33.639 not going to be with any other James Bond this long. There, you 3471 04:12:33.760 --> 04:12:39.559 know, we don't have another James Bond for literally seven movies we don't have 3472 04:12:39.600 --> 04:12:43.520 a James bond for all of their movies, right you now, like it's 3473 04:12:43.840 --> 04:12:50.719 it's it's much more sporadic. He he just has cemented himself as as a 3474 04:12:50.799 --> 04:12:54.479 treasure to the point where, you know, normally at this point into on 3475 04:12:54.639 --> 04:12:56.959 this I kind of want to veer off from the main person and talk about 3476 04:12:58.000 --> 04:13:01.639 other people, but I can't because everything he fucking says is amazing. Yeah, 3477 04:13:01.680 --> 04:13:07.159 he's money. His autobiography is tremendous, It's so funny, it's great 3478 04:13:07.239 --> 04:13:13.479 stories. You know, He's he's really he's I agree. I think I 3479 04:13:13.559 --> 04:13:16.360 think he is the He is the hero of the Carney's journey. Yeah. 3480 04:13:16.520 --> 04:13:22.680 Yeah, he's got a remarkable mix of yeah seriousness and unseriousness that Milton read. 3481 04:13:24.559 --> 04:13:28.159 You can't possibly spend enough time trying to unpack it, you know, 3482 04:13:28.559 --> 04:13:31.120 not at all. But I let this be fucking proved by now that if 3483 04:13:31.159 --> 04:13:35.079 you're not on the executive producer tier and you have any a scintilla of Cinophile 3484 04:13:35.159 --> 04:13:39.559 in you, you're really missing out. Yes, let these letters and these 3485 04:13:39.639 --> 04:13:45.200 testimonials serve as evidence that the Carney's forever Carneys are forever journey happening right now 3486 04:13:45.280 --> 04:13:50.280 under the Cinemat is certainly worth your dollar. Sam Gafchack, thank you very 3487 04:13:50.360 --> 04:13:52.319 much for your increase in pledge. We appreciate it. Stephen Prescott, welcome 3488 04:13:52.360 --> 04:13:58.559 in, my friend, and thank you for the support. Cyrus says this 3489 04:14:00.120 --> 04:14:03.399 co chairs of Grace Sis with Under the Cinemat episodes on Predator and The Running 3490 04:14:03.440 --> 04:14:05.799 Man. Yes, the time has come for the Arnold and Jesse trilogy to 3491 04:14:05.879 --> 04:14:13.399 be completed with the nineteen ninety seven Warner Brothers cinematic masterpiece Batman and Robin. 3492 04:14:13.040 --> 04:14:18.559 Yes, on a list, for sure, on a list. It's there, 3493 04:14:20.559 --> 04:14:24.639 it'll come. Are you looking forward to it? No, Joshannon, 3494 04:14:24.680 --> 04:14:26.840 thank you for that huge pledge. Up to the mote here, my friend. 3495 04:14:26.920 --> 04:14:28.360 We really appreciate that vote of support. Great to have you in the 3496 04:14:28.440 --> 04:14:35.120 Solar System. The Joel Schumacher Batman's are just awful. Yeah, that's anyone 3497 04:14:35.159 --> 04:14:37.520 says. That's why I asked. Yeah, yeah, they're dreadful. I 3498 04:14:37.559 --> 04:14:41.120 can't stand him. Jesse's in them? Is that right? He's in one 3499 04:14:41.159 --> 04:14:43.440 of them. He's in the one with Schwarzenegger. He plays like a news 3500 04:14:43.760 --> 04:14:50.760 broadcast or something in Batman and Robin. Okay, we're generally considered the worst 3501 04:14:50.799 --> 04:14:54.959 ever. Oh god, yeah, it's absolutely, I mean it's it's it's 3502 04:14:54.159 --> 04:15:01.079 dreadful. The franchise was dead for eight years because of that, you know, 3503 04:15:01.239 --> 04:15:05.200 until they fucking completely redid it. That's amazing. Yeah, it's awful, 3504 04:15:07.959 --> 04:15:11.799 Clooney Batman, it's just like not okay. Mike writes this on our 3505 04:15:11.879 --> 04:15:16.719 ten year lookback interview that we did. Congrats and happy anniversary. Thank you 3506 04:15:16.799 --> 04:15:18.479 for dropping a look back, really good insight and it's ever always good to 3507 04:15:18.520 --> 04:15:22.040 hear the three of you chat. I help contribute to the Hall of Fame 3508 04:15:22.079 --> 04:15:24.799 for TLFX, Thanks Mike, and with International LATS Day. Thanks again earlier 3509 04:15:24.840 --> 04:15:28.879 this year. I'm still working on what I want to say an audio forms 3510 04:15:28.920 --> 04:15:31.440 part of TLFX, but wanted to take the time to drop this message. 3511 04:15:31.479 --> 04:15:35.479 Yeah. Reminder, still taking TLFX testimonials if you want to reflect on what 3512 04:15:35.559 --> 04:15:37.280 the cast is meant and get your audio up here on the main feed if 3513 04:15:37.280 --> 04:15:41.239 we deem it worthy. The lapsed fan at gmail dot com is where to 3514 04:15:41.239 --> 04:15:43.200 send your audio recordings. I'd love to hear from more of you, he 3515 04:15:43.280 --> 04:15:46.319 writes. Your friendship in chemistry is with lots of us fans of fake Fisticuffs 3516 04:15:46.319 --> 04:15:50.239 wish we had or wish we still had. By listening to you, it's 3517 04:15:50.280 --> 04:15:52.799 like being part of a conversation with like minded friends who never existed or are 3518 04:15:52.840 --> 04:15:56.440 two out of touch to understand anymore. You treat fans like equals and within 3519 04:15:56.479 --> 04:16:00.040 reasonable, allow, within reason, allow us to contribut. Hearing an email 3520 04:16:00.079 --> 04:16:03.319 read out in the show for me personally was very cool. I've never written 3521 04:16:03.360 --> 04:16:07.000 into or called into a show before, or felt the connection to a show 3522 04:16:07.079 --> 04:16:10.120 like I have with TLF. Here's to at least another twenty years. So 3523 04:16:10.239 --> 04:16:12.079 glad that it's become financially viable for you. It is so well deserved. 3524 04:16:12.319 --> 04:16:15.079 You allow us into your lives and create the illusion of friendship in a way 3525 04:16:15.120 --> 04:16:19.360 that no other show could illusion. It's a good one. Hey, we 3526 04:16:19.680 --> 04:16:22.440 learn to work everything else as lifetime wrestling fans, right, That's true. 3527 04:16:22.719 --> 04:16:26.319 I was enjoy hearing about your families, your Christmases. I was generally so 3528 04:16:26.479 --> 04:16:30.280 thrilled when I heard JP had Linda koj Oh King of the Jews, and 3529 04:16:30.360 --> 04:16:33.040 that you had been able to collaborate with Dark Side on that podcast. Lots 3530 04:16:33.079 --> 04:16:34.600 to express, but the above is all I got right now. Like Jack 3531 04:16:34.639 --> 04:16:37.040 said, you just do a podcast and have never claimed to try to help 3532 04:16:37.040 --> 04:16:41.040 people with issues. But it's not a work for everyone, and not all 3533 04:16:41.120 --> 04:16:44.479 stories are fake. My life is better thanks to TLF. Since twenty twenty, 3534 04:16:44.559 --> 04:16:47.200 life has been rough and one hundred percent. TLF has been a saving 3535 04:16:47.239 --> 04:16:49.440 grace time and time again. You let us get to know you, but 3536 04:16:49.559 --> 04:16:52.159 on your own terms. It just works. Mike. Thank you, Mike. 3537 04:16:52.280 --> 04:16:55.360 That's a really nice letter. I like that a lot. Actually, 3538 04:16:55.399 --> 04:16:59.879 that's really really solid, Paul. Ten years have lapsed. Thanks Paul. 3539 04:17:00.000 --> 04:17:04.360 Here we go greeting purveyors of phony pugilism. Ten years ago, my wife 3540 04:17:04.399 --> 04:17:07.959 and I moved our family to be closer to our parents. Around that same 3541 04:17:07.000 --> 04:17:10.440 time, I started to get it back into wrestling through seeing a random gift 3542 04:17:10.479 --> 04:17:15.000 on Twitter of arn Anderson's spine busting Ricky Steamboat and the memory of wrestl War 3543 04:17:15.079 --> 04:17:18.680 ninety two rushed back. I play spinebuster will do it sometimes, right, 3544 04:17:18.760 --> 04:17:23.120 boss? I? Yeah, for sure, he did. There are nobody 3545 04:17:23.200 --> 04:17:26.959 does it better. Tremendous torque on that thing. He gets it, he 3546 04:17:27.079 --> 04:17:30.360 gets it, and it lands. I've been listening to podcasts for a while 3547 04:17:30.399 --> 04:17:33.879 at that point, so I wondered if one for wrestling existed, and a 3548 04:17:33.920 --> 04:17:36.479 cursory sarch led to a show with a cool logo that looked like the old 3549 04:17:36.600 --> 04:17:40.559 Raw logo. First episode SummerSlam nineteen ninety one. I remembered that show decently, 3550 04:17:40.639 --> 04:17:42.479 well, let me check these guys out, love the chemistry between Jack 3551 04:17:42.520 --> 04:17:45.799 and JP, and then JP at the end of an episode announced the next 3552 04:17:45.799 --> 04:17:48.559 episode was Royal Rumble nineteen ninety one. That was my show, and I 3553 04:17:48.639 --> 04:17:51.680 was hooked. Yes from there. I remember driving to work one morning and 3554 04:17:51.719 --> 04:17:53.920 almost getting a wreck because laps. Jim Barnett couldn't help himself but respond to 3555 04:17:53.920 --> 04:17:59.559 Brad Armstrong's objection of the IRAQ demand gimmick with I'd rather go to a raqman 3556 04:18:02.680 --> 04:18:14.159 with a perfectly timed like your brother. I con vividly remember Jack's laugh, 3557 04:18:14.200 --> 04:18:17.639 and I've never laughed so heart at a joke I didn't completely understand. Insert 3558 04:18:17.719 --> 04:18:18.799 one of the co chairs saying, oh, you didn't know an R road 3559 04:18:18.879 --> 04:18:22.879 duck. Fast forward it's twenty seventeen, you're covering Hollymen Havoc ninety eight, 3560 04:18:22.920 --> 04:18:26.600 and I decided to shave while listening to Vince calling the cable company the day 3561 04:18:26.639 --> 04:18:33.879 after the show to tell them WCW screwed them over when Vince told Patterson to 3562 04:18:33.879 --> 04:18:37.319 write a script and put WCW on it while putting the TV exec on a 3563 04:18:37.360 --> 04:18:41.319 hold. Let's just say I got color. Oh shit. In short, 3564 04:18:41.399 --> 04:18:45.120 TLF has been my constant companion for the last ten years, through rocking my 3565 04:18:45.200 --> 04:18:48.959 youngest daughter to sleep, mowing the lawn, working in eight to five, 3566 04:18:48.360 --> 04:18:51.879 flying home to see my dad after his heart attack, to the four hour 3567 04:18:51.959 --> 04:18:53.719 drive home the following year after saying goodbye to him for the last time. 3568 04:18:55.280 --> 04:18:57.159 To paraphrase Big Dust, I don't need it to look for another podcast. 3569 04:18:57.360 --> 04:19:00.520 This is the podcast I need. I wish both of you the happiest of 3570 04:19:00.520 --> 04:19:03.280 anniversaries. And here's too many more. Here's to more deep dives, more 3571 04:19:03.319 --> 04:19:07.319 cinemats, and of course more WrestleMania. Here's the lapsed fan man number one 3572 04:19:07.360 --> 04:19:11.079 in the ring. Thank you for both seeing Himania Hokomania and perhaps most importantly, 3573 04:19:11.719 --> 04:19:17.760 Freddie Miller all the best. Paul, that's a fan right there. 3574 04:19:18.159 --> 04:19:26.159 That is sick, absolutely sick, letter floating, stupid, fucking idiot smile 3575 04:19:26.200 --> 04:19:33.840 on his face and he just flies out of the window. Ract the man. 3576 04:19:33.159 --> 04:19:41.639 I'd rather go to a rack man like your brother. I mean, 3577 04:19:41.680 --> 04:19:45.879 you want to talk about as stupid as it possibly could get on a podcast, 3578 04:19:48.040 --> 04:19:52.879 so fucking pathetic and dumb that we just sit here, make those little 3579 04:19:52.280 --> 04:19:56.719 puns and just giggle our asses off so someone can write an email like you 3580 04:19:56.840 --> 04:20:07.479 folks like you goggle. Yeah, well exactly, Martin Ferguson, Thanks for 3581 04:20:07.600 --> 04:20:11.479 all the great support and for increasing your pledge. We were talking about what 3582 04:20:11.520 --> 04:20:14.600 a bushwhacker was, remember that when we were doing the European rampage shows. 3583 04:20:15.920 --> 04:20:18.920 Dan writes Dan from New Zealand Rights in fact, wanted to give you some 3584 04:20:18.959 --> 04:20:22.040 clarification on what bushwhacker means, at least to us here in New Zealand. 3585 04:20:22.239 --> 04:20:27.840 Bushwhacking is a practice of exploring and clearing paths and forests. That's exactly what 3586 04:20:27.959 --> 04:20:33.399 I thought it was. Yeah, usually done with a machete and involving clearing 3587 04:20:33.440 --> 04:20:40.719 of large scrub and vines. So how is that a threat in wrestling? 3588 04:20:41.079 --> 04:20:45.280 How are they bushwhacking? I guess that hand motion is how you cut vines 3589 04:20:45.360 --> 04:20:51.200 and scrub. I certainly saw them cut through many scrubs on Saturday mornings, 3590 04:20:51.239 --> 04:20:55.120 that's for sure. I hope this helps give some clarification as to why they 3591 04:20:55.159 --> 04:21:00.440 were called bushwhackers cheers, Really not at all. It does mean whacking bushes. 3592 04:21:00.520 --> 04:21:03.360 I got it. I mean that I'll take, but it means it 3593 04:21:03.440 --> 04:21:08.920 actually makes it more confusing as to what their gimmick was. I'm sure Vince 3594 04:21:10.000 --> 04:21:14.239 just heard the term in association with New Zealand once and just absolutely had to 3595 04:21:14.319 --> 04:21:17.799 see it on a T shirt on the bed sheets I had as a kid, 3596 04:21:18.200 --> 04:21:22.159 Remember those bed sheets, man home, I'll be honest with you, 3597 04:21:22.879 --> 04:21:29.680 I am definitely the king bushwhacker in bed, and I would like to see 3598 04:21:30.200 --> 04:21:42.920 children's all right, that's enough, definitely enough sharing my bushwhacking in bed. 3599 04:21:48.840 --> 04:22:00.399 Everything to say about that pale? What more can you say? Coffee Murphy, 3600 04:22:00.520 --> 04:22:03.680 thank you very much for that incredible vany pledge. Out of the gate 3601 04:22:03.840 --> 04:22:10.159 right to the moat tier he goes, good a pot brewing. Lillian Mattis, 3602 04:22:10.239 --> 04:22:12.000 thank you so very much for your increased pledge in the vote of confidence. 3603 04:22:12.040 --> 04:22:15.680 We appreciate it. Shell's KF thank you for joining the inner circle and 3604 04:22:15.719 --> 04:22:18.159 for your pledge. Same to you, Josh Wright, coming in strong with 3605 04:22:18.200 --> 04:22:22.360 a meaty pledge that we deeply appreciate. Jamie Keene saw necessary to increase the 3606 04:22:22.399 --> 04:22:26.760 pledge, and so we see it necessary to give our thanks here on the 3607 04:22:26.840 --> 04:22:29.760 cast. Jason Powell, thank you very much for your pledge. We appreciate 3608 04:22:29.840 --> 04:22:33.840 the support. Christopher A. Karn if not to say clarn Welcome to under 3609 04:22:33.879 --> 04:22:37.639 the Cinemat Interurn. Matt came right in at the fifty dollars tier, and 3610 04:22:37.760 --> 04:22:41.440 for that we give him deep respect and admiration. Scott Arnold, thank you 3611 04:22:41.600 --> 04:22:45.040 very much. Welcome to the executive producer circle. My friend Michael wise Camp, 3612 04:22:45.520 --> 04:22:48.319 thank you so very much for your support. Gary slack Jog great last 3613 04:22:48.399 --> 04:22:52.959 name, slacking his way up to the bigger tier. Chris Barnett motoring all 3614 04:22:53.000 --> 04:22:56.440 the way up to that moat tier. We appreciate it. James Milsom, 3615 04:22:56.520 --> 04:23:00.799 thank you very much for jumping up to the execute to produce her tier. 3616 04:23:00.440 --> 04:23:06.239 So gratifying to see people get in the front door at that three sixteen, 3617 04:23:06.239 --> 04:23:07.079 and then over the years they go to ten, they go to twenty, 3618 04:23:07.079 --> 04:23:11.280 they go to fifty. It's just, you know, because it's not bullshit 3619 04:23:11.360 --> 04:23:15.159 what we say about getting something out of it. Nathan, thank you very 3620 04:23:15.200 --> 04:23:18.120 much for all your support over the years and for your recent joining of the 3621 04:23:18.159 --> 04:23:22.360 Mote tier. Luke Polly writes in Primary school age, tell people I was 3622 04:23:22.399 --> 04:23:25.280 named after Luke of the Bushwhackers because he was my dad's friend. Not true. 3623 04:23:26.600 --> 04:23:30.000 I also later on told people Kane was my uncle and I was going 3624 04:23:30.040 --> 04:23:32.479 to bring him to the school sports today, but when the day came he 3625 04:23:32.600 --> 04:23:37.000 called away unimportant WW business, wow instrument, Andy Low, thank you very 3626 04:23:37.079 --> 04:23:41.280 much. Welcome to the Eptier, my friend Panda. Thank you for the 3627 04:23:41.319 --> 04:23:44.399 cake. Same to you, Evil Fenrix, whoever you may be, Thanks 3628 04:23:44.440 --> 04:23:47.239 for that cheese. William Lutz, thank you very much for your support. 3629 04:23:47.319 --> 04:23:52.600 Same to you, Madeline Coppel. We really appreciate you joining us in the 3630 04:23:52.680 --> 04:23:56.680 inner circle. Sam O'Connor, thank you very much for bumping up your pledge 3631 04:23:56.719 --> 04:24:00.520 to a generous denomination. Daniel Pearson writes to us, guy, I'm working. 3632 04:24:00.559 --> 04:24:04.440 I'm from a Workington. Hearing it and Cockermouth and Carlisle on that cast 3633 04:24:04.559 --> 04:24:08.280 is so bizarre. We must have talked about Workington, England on an episode 3634 04:24:08.280 --> 04:24:14.120 of cinemat maybe or maybe in the European Tour set Diamonds are Forever featuring Tiger 3635 04:24:14.200 --> 04:24:17.879 Joe Robinson. Oh maybe that would have been right. It says Cumberland and 3636 04:24:17.920 --> 04:24:21.559 Westmoreland wrestling is still a thing. No Yeah, it totally is. If 3637 04:24:21.600 --> 04:24:23.799 you're wondering, like what the wrestling component of some of these James Bond episodes 3638 04:24:23.840 --> 04:24:26.920 are. We're learning a lot about wrestling on the lawns of England, are 3639 04:24:26.959 --> 04:24:33.319 we not? We are? I mean the the the Westmoreland Cumberland style is 3640 04:24:34.280 --> 04:24:44.280 a very fascinating style of wrestling, involving just like some very interesting rules. 3641 04:24:44.680 --> 04:24:48.520 Yeah, the rule set is what really gets your head scratching. Yeah, 3642 04:24:48.719 --> 04:24:52.319 without a doubt. It happens at the appleby Horse Fair every year. Still, 3643 04:24:52.360 --> 04:24:55.159 I think Cumberland and Westmoreland wrestling sounds like a road trip. One of 3644 04:24:55.200 --> 04:25:00.479 these days. I know I need to see this shit see ketches can on 3645 04:25:00.520 --> 04:25:06.440 the Green Yep Tiger Joe Robinson giving a judo advice to women so they can 3646 04:25:06.520 --> 04:25:12.079 repel attackers. I mean, women being told that, you know, they 3647 04:25:12.159 --> 04:25:15.200 can't do it better than men at the end of it all, the end 3648 04:25:15.239 --> 04:25:22.079 of it all truly something We want to go now to Brian and thank him 3649 04:25:22.159 --> 04:25:26.079 very much, Brian Condon for his recent increase in pledge. Deeply appreciate that. 3650 04:25:27.319 --> 04:25:30.719 Phil says, fuck me, I'm actually crying at the Ultimate Warrior, 3651 04:25:30.799 --> 04:25:33.479 asking Davy boy Smith if he knows a steroid dealer in full promo mode. 3652 04:25:34.079 --> 04:25:38.440 This is vincea. That's good. That's our Saturday Night's Made Event episode where 3653 04:25:38.479 --> 04:25:44.000 he and Davey both went away for g H. Shipman's thanks to Martin for 3654 04:25:44.120 --> 04:25:45.879 buying the lapsed baseball shirt. I think he was the first one from chop 3655 04:25:45.959 --> 04:25:52.200 Teas. He's excited for it to arrive, and it's been a wonderful combination 3656 04:25:52.319 --> 04:25:56.000 with our friends over chop Teas where you can get exclusive T left merchandise sort 3657 04:25:56.000 --> 04:25:59.399 of off the beaten T shirt path, you know, baseball jerseys, hats 3658 04:25:59.440 --> 04:26:03.600 and the such cool snapbacks of course, and some of the T shirts that 3659 04:26:03.760 --> 04:26:11.559 were deemed a little too racy, racy of sorts and you know, bordering 3660 04:26:11.600 --> 04:26:15.239 that line a little too close. But of course our pro wrestling T shirts 3661 04:26:15.239 --> 04:26:18.399 still rock and strong for you that want to wear the traditional teas that have 3662 04:26:18.719 --> 04:26:22.719 so long been the flags to fly when you're out in public to announce your 3663 04:26:22.799 --> 04:26:26.159 lap stom and now we get jackets to throw on top of it. Another 3664 04:26:26.239 --> 04:26:30.000 kind of ethemera thanks to Chopped So it's a beautiful thing, Neil writes to 3665 04:26:30.079 --> 04:26:36.719 us y NBC dumb Saturday Night's main event and he's got more detail. Of 3666 04:26:36.799 --> 04:26:38.239 course, that is a subject we talked quite a bit about, yes, 3667 04:26:38.760 --> 04:26:44.719 in covering the final Saturday Nights Made event on Fox back in nineteen ninety two. 3668 04:26:44.879 --> 04:26:47.959 Quite recently in the catalog. Here's some more color that Neil thought was 3669 04:26:48.680 --> 04:26:51.280 relevant, and I would agree. Why don't you share it with the Solar 3670 04:26:51.319 --> 04:26:57.239 system? Do you? Hello? Co chairs? It was amusing hearing Bruce 3671 04:26:57.319 --> 04:27:03.840 Pritchard's spin on YNBC dumped w programming. We had become so awesome at television 3672 04:27:04.159 --> 04:27:08.600 and they were jealous. That's pretty much what he says. Yeah, when 3673 04:27:08.639 --> 04:27:11.840 the true answer is much more interesting. I've broken it down to three bullet 3674 04:27:11.840 --> 04:27:17.520 points in order of importance. NBC acquired the rights to air NBA games. 3675 04:27:17.680 --> 04:27:21.719 If you want to have a one send answer for YNBC ditch wrestling, it 3676 04:27:21.760 --> 04:27:27.360 would be NBC snatched away CBS's deal with the NBA. You think about nineteen 3677 04:27:27.440 --> 04:27:32.399 ninety when basketball was beginning to pop off. Is it any surprise that they 3678 04:27:32.799 --> 04:27:37.959 want to be the network of Michael Jordan and not Hulk Hogan brother. In 3679 04:27:37.079 --> 04:27:41.600 November nine eighty nine, NBC put ink to paper on a six hundred million 3680 04:27:41.600 --> 04:27:48.639 dollars deal to bring the NWA to their airways more than triple which CBS was 3681 04:27:48.680 --> 04:27:53.120 paying. The man who engineered the deal. Vin's his best buddy Dick ever 3682 04:27:53.239 --> 04:27:59.120 saw Yes, his quote at the time. Now there's this. There has 3683 04:27:59.159 --> 04:28:03.200 been no competitive bidding in this decade for that contract. Neither ABC or NBC 3684 04:28:03.399 --> 04:28:08.399 ever actively participated, so CBS has had it pretty much to him to itself. 3685 04:28:10.799 --> 04:28:15.959 This indicates a forceful change in direction for NBC Sports to grab basketball after 3686 04:28:15.079 --> 04:28:22.920 losing their MLB rights the previous month. By allotting forty million dollars to promote 3687 04:28:22.079 --> 04:28:27.879 NBA programming, was very clear they they were putting all their chips on basketball, 3688 04:28:27.959 --> 04:28:33.040 thus leading to the golden NBC, NBA and NBC era with the John 3689 04:28:33.120 --> 04:28:36.879 Tesh song, mm hmm, and they're getting it back, they are, 3690 04:28:37.120 --> 04:28:41.479 It's coming back. Brandon Tartakoff leaves NBC to become chairman of Paramount Studios in 3691 04:28:41.559 --> 04:28:47.639 nineteen ninety one. Brandon Tartakoff was largely seen as the architect of NBC's nineteen 3692 04:28:47.639 --> 04:28:51.239 eighties boom Cheers, The Cosby Showhill Street Bluesmami Vice, et cetera, and, 3693 04:28:51.360 --> 04:28:53.559 in surprise exit from the post he had held for ten years, put 3694 04:28:53.639 --> 04:28:59.200 NBC in a desperate scramble to pick up the pieces. As Boss knows, 3695 04:28:59.239 --> 04:29:02.680 when a new network or studio ahead assumes their role, they are quick to 3696 04:29:02.760 --> 04:29:07.360 dispatch legacy projects in favor of their own ideas. Yeah, talk about that 3697 04:29:07.399 --> 04:29:10.799 in a bunch of times, especially, I think of with The Princess Bride 3698 04:29:10.879 --> 04:29:15.520 with William Goldman talking about how you know you get a new once you get 3699 04:29:15.520 --> 04:29:22.280 a new regime in on a studio, they want to basically put every project 3700 04:29:22.079 --> 04:29:30.200 that was created by the predecessor aside right favor of their own agenda. I 3701 04:29:30.280 --> 04:29:33.959 mean it's like also, it's like presidencies as well, Like in the country, 3702 04:29:34.000 --> 04:29:37.520 they want to fucking executive order the shit out of everything that happened before. 3703 04:29:38.159 --> 04:29:41.079 They can order the shit everything happened before, and and just be sure 3704 04:29:41.200 --> 04:29:45.879 that if there's something they want to see see through that the people in a 3705 04:29:45.959 --> 04:29:53.280 position executed actually have loyalty to them. Yeah, right. Having a bit 3706 04:29:53.319 --> 04:29:59.079 of a NBC since nineteen eighty one, ww Wrestling was on NBC for the 3707 04:29:59.280 --> 04:30:03.959 entirety of Tartakoff's tenure and can be seen as a cornerstone of his programming strategy. 3708 04:30:03.520 --> 04:30:08.959 While Tartakoff's air Warren Littlefield was indebted to his mentor in many aspects. 3709 04:30:10.040 --> 04:30:14.639 He made it clear right away the network was going into a new direction. 3710 04:30:17.040 --> 04:30:19.680 Is it any surprise that when Tartakoff leaves, that wrestling leaves with him, 3711 04:30:19.719 --> 04:30:29.200 which leads us to the new and BC. Yes. Within NBC in nineteen 3712 04:30:29.239 --> 04:30:33.639 ninety one, there was an internal thinking that they had to move on from 3713 04:30:33.680 --> 04:30:37.879 what had worked in Tartakoff's era. The Cosby Show and Cheers were winding down, 3714 04:30:37.959 --> 04:30:44.120 and their new primetime drama offerings had been wildly unsuccessful. In the ninety 3715 04:30:44.159 --> 04:30:48.600 one ninety two season, CBS had finally dethroned NBC as the number one network 3716 04:30:48.239 --> 04:30:52.920 after chasing them through the nineteen eighties, and NBC had very little to respond 3717 04:30:53.000 --> 04:30:59.760 withww Wrestling was largest seen as in the rearview mirror with their other nineteen eighties 3718 04:30:59.799 --> 04:31:03.399 off fens, and NBC was determined to move onto new shows and new stars 3719 04:31:03.479 --> 04:31:07.159 for their network. The w and Hulk Coogan had no place in this new 3720 04:31:07.280 --> 04:31:15.840 landscape where Seinfeld, Friends, Friends was on a little bit later, but 3721 04:31:17.079 --> 04:31:19.120 I see the point. Seinfeld, Friends, Law and Order, Will and 3722 04:31:19.239 --> 04:31:23.760 Grace and Er would come to dominate primetime and Jay Leno would leave the Tonight 3723 04:31:23.879 --> 04:31:29.120 Show in Late Night. Make no mistake, the W going to Fox was 3724 04:31:29.159 --> 04:31:33.639 a major demotion from NBC. Fox hadn't acquired NFL games yet and was firmly 3725 04:31:33.680 --> 04:31:37.879 the number four network off in a punchline when it came to jokes about quality 3726 04:31:37.959 --> 04:31:41.319 television. But my email sheds a little light on what the thinking might have 3727 04:31:41.440 --> 04:31:47.159 been that sent the W to Fox from a higher profile perch on NBC. 3728 04:31:48.159 --> 04:31:52.840 Yeah, that NBC deal was, that NBA deal for NBC was transformative. 3729 04:31:52.719 --> 04:31:57.200 Imagine for sure, they leaned in big at a time when people were questioning 3730 04:31:57.239 --> 04:32:02.600 the value of those rights, and they wrote the Jordan Wave and what an 3731 04:32:02.639 --> 04:32:07.639 incredible time for basketball that that was. And the return of the NBA n 3732 04:32:07.760 --> 04:32:11.319 NBC with the theme song and everything soon of course, as yet not another 3733 04:32:11.399 --> 04:32:15.799 indication Boss that it used to be better. That's I mean, it does 3734 04:32:15.920 --> 04:32:18.639 kind of bother me that that you can put John tesh under one under it 3735 04:32:18.760 --> 04:32:22.760 used to be better. But you know, yeah, I'll take what I 3736 04:32:22.840 --> 04:32:25.799 can get. I just can't believe he came up with that song, But 3737 04:32:26.000 --> 04:32:30.559 all the power to him. He did the John John teshun Son Son Tons 3738 04:32:30.600 --> 04:32:36.440 Tons and it's exciting it is, and it's a great time to be a 3739 04:32:36.479 --> 04:32:40.760 basketball fan. But that's that's all very good points for Neil. I mean, 3740 04:32:41.120 --> 04:32:42.639 you can't ever lose sight of the macro when it comes to these television 3741 04:32:42.639 --> 04:32:45.840 stations that have wrestling on. Is kind of like a not an afterthought, 3742 04:32:45.879 --> 04:32:49.200 but not a front burner consideration, right, It's about everything else. They're 3743 04:32:49.200 --> 04:32:53.559 thinking about everything else except wrestling. Teddy wants us to know that Helen's Reptilian 3744 04:32:53.639 --> 04:32:59.239 reveal maybe do the kind of laugh where you're laughing so hard that you can't 3745 04:32:59.280 --> 04:33:03.319 inhale or x and you just sit there, seizing in silence and wondering if 3746 04:33:03.399 --> 04:33:07.560 this is the end? Yes, William writes the other night, my wife 3747 04:33:07.599 --> 04:33:14.680 and I were making BLTs. Oh she was making Oh, she was making 3748 04:33:14.720 --> 04:33:15.759 the bacon, and I was going to slice the tomato and bread. I 3749 04:33:15.840 --> 04:33:18.439 had to leave the room for a minute, and when I came back, 3750 04:33:18.479 --> 04:33:21.840 she had already completed my task completely without any forethought. I said, oh, 3751 04:33:22.000 --> 04:33:26.680 you already slight slizzed the tis. Oh my god, brother, it 3752 04:33:26.919 --> 04:33:30.200 just fell out of my mouth. She looked at me and said, yes, 3753 04:33:30.319 --> 04:33:32.720 But I don't think that there's a more perverted way to say that, 3754 04:33:33.400 --> 04:33:37.000 ye right, that is what this particular podcast does. Already slizzed the tizz 3755 04:33:42.119 --> 04:33:45.439 speaking of the Saturday's main event. Remember, as part of that episode, 3756 04:33:45.439 --> 04:33:47.880 we were reading off with the top one hundred shows who were on cable and 3757 04:33:48.040 --> 04:33:52.400 just bathing in the memories. Jeff writes, the CoA chairs reading off TV 3758 04:33:52.479 --> 04:33:55.959 shows is more depressing than the Mike von Eric Cotton Bowl show promo. I 3759 04:33:56.080 --> 04:34:00.279 missed communal, predictable, regularly scheduled television. Now you should. People were 3760 04:34:00.319 --> 04:34:04.240 happier and no one was an amateur TV critic or network executive. You just 3761 04:34:04.319 --> 04:34:08.959 watch television. God, it used to be better. Eric Holeman, thank 3762 04:34:10.000 --> 04:34:12.279 you very much for the pledge. Welcome to the executive producer tear. My 3763 04:34:12.400 --> 04:34:17.400 friend Paul writes, Imagine, due to the success of Iron Claw, someone 3764 04:34:17.439 --> 04:34:21.520 makes a movie about the Heart family. Taking cues from that movie, The 3765 04:34:21.599 --> 04:34:25.279 cast is encouraged to listen to a particular podcast. Then you go to see 3766 04:34:25.319 --> 04:34:30.799 the movie. The actor playing stew just mutters about chicken and soup NonStop. 3767 04:34:30.040 --> 04:34:41.119 The amazing and the blogs characters entire dialogue is ah die, crack and every 3768 04:34:41.200 --> 04:34:47.200 other every other syllable, every other word. For Brett Hard is aw Now, 3769 04:34:47.240 --> 04:34:49.159 the brett Wan would be the flattest one if they use us as a 3770 04:34:51.200 --> 04:34:55.040 as a guide. Cliff points out, relative to the Mega Maniacs on the 3771 04:34:55.119 --> 04:34:57.680 last Saturday Night's main event, it's possible that Savage and Warrior were weorring yellow 3772 04:34:57.720 --> 04:35:03.439 and red y because when I say Mega Megas were beef Cake and Hogan, 3773 04:35:03.759 --> 04:35:08.639 you we're wearing yellow and red because they were both Slim Jim spokesman. I 3774 04:35:08.720 --> 04:35:12.680 forgot about that. Warrior was, Yeah, they did. They put them 3775 04:35:12.720 --> 04:35:17.319 on one of those commercials I believe in ninety two. Really, I'm gona 3776 04:35:17.319 --> 04:35:23.520 t see if I can pull it up. Slim Jim Ultimate Warrior. Yeah, 3777 04:35:23.840 --> 04:35:30.799 it was do you want to do? You boys a bit bored? 3778 04:35:30.919 --> 04:35:37.799 Stop? I remember that, stop into it. I remember him saying it 3779 04:35:37.919 --> 04:35:41.919 that way. I don't remember shopping it. No, I don't remember that 3780 04:35:41.959 --> 04:35:42.799 at all. It does have something to do with it, not a whole 3781 04:35:42.840 --> 04:35:48.360 cocin dig that. We we had fun considering the possibility. Listen, it's 3782 04:35:48.360 --> 04:35:52.560 always about Hogan, Okay. Absolutely, My red slim gym colors alone are 3783 04:35:52.639 --> 04:35:59.680 Hulk Hogan. Absolutely, here's a Brent. I just discovered your podcast several 3784 04:35:59.759 --> 04:36:02.560 days go and I've been binge listening to all the original episodes, starting with 3785 04:36:02.639 --> 04:36:04.520 the first one. They are pure gold. Thank you for the laughs in 3786 04:36:04.560 --> 04:36:08.959 the nostalgia. I am hooked, Sorry but not sorry. Brent, welcome 3787 04:36:10.000 --> 04:36:15.720 in. Appreciate it a tool belt for Daddy, writes on Patreon. Excuse 3788 04:36:15.799 --> 04:36:18.599 me, I was just listening to Davey having some sort of a breathing fit 3789 04:36:18.680 --> 04:36:22.840 after asking if he won the trophy and laughed so hard I inhaled my food 3790 04:36:22.880 --> 04:36:25.799 and almost died. This happens a lot. I think we may have lost 3791 04:36:25.840 --> 04:36:27.119 one or two out there over the years. I do wonder, you know, 3792 04:36:27.159 --> 04:36:30.040 there are something we haven't heard from in a while, and it makes 3793 04:36:30.080 --> 04:36:34.479 me wonder if they if they did pass away. Yeah, someone said having 3794 04:36:34.880 --> 04:36:38.400 lapsed Vince read audio books would be a great revenue stream. We've thought about 3795 04:36:38.560 --> 04:36:44.319 things like that before, but apparently some of these carnies with books would rather 3796 04:36:45.319 --> 04:36:48.119 audible, just have AI read their books and pay them nothing than to yeah, 3797 04:36:48.360 --> 04:36:52.200 or just not make money off of anything. Let us do something with 3798 04:36:52.279 --> 04:36:56.000 them and share in the proceeds, Anthony, that's funny. They'd rather not 3799 04:36:56.159 --> 04:37:00.439 make money at all. Well, yeah, for money. Didn't see it 3800 04:37:00.439 --> 04:37:03.119 coming, but here it is. I mean, there are so many audiobooks 3801 04:37:03.200 --> 04:37:07.080 now that are read not by human authors, on some of these sort of 3802 04:37:07.119 --> 04:37:10.680 marginal wrestling titles. All of a sudden, I'm noticing. I don't know 3803 04:37:10.759 --> 04:37:15.159 where where that came from, but good luck, that's where we're headed. 3804 04:37:15.560 --> 04:37:19.479 Anthony writes, I had a terrible day yesterday, the worst day. I 3805 04:37:19.560 --> 04:37:22.720 went to bed at nine thirty because I didn't want to be awake, but 3806 04:37:22.799 --> 04:37:26.200 my brain wouldn't quiet down. I put a nearbuty in around ten thirty. 3807 04:37:26.240 --> 04:37:29.319 The lapsed fan. Of course, the sleep timer turned it off in an 3808 04:37:29.360 --> 04:37:32.000 hour, but I was still awake. I put it back on. The 3809 04:37:32.080 --> 04:37:33.759 sleep timer turned it off again, but I was still awake, so I 3810 04:37:33.840 --> 04:37:37.639 turned it on again. The last thing I remember was Helen Hart turning into 3811 04:37:37.680 --> 04:37:44.000 a reptile demon. That is not what you want to go to pet Toolessly, 3812 04:37:44.200 --> 04:37:45.759 I'll tell you that right now. For the first time, I laughed, 3813 04:37:45.919 --> 04:37:48.840 quietly, shaking the bed and waking up my pregnant wife. Are you 3814 04:37:48.959 --> 04:37:52.680 okay, It's fine, dear. I just got lapsed. Oh God. 3815 04:37:52.959 --> 04:37:57.639 Shortly thereafter I fell asleep. I've never written to you guys, just quietly 3816 04:37:57.759 --> 04:38:02.319 enjoyed it since it all started. Thanks Jack and JP. You guys are 3817 04:38:02.479 --> 04:38:06.040 the go to when I want to abandon the troubles of this life and enjoy 3818 04:38:06.119 --> 04:38:11.479 the troubles of choreographed, monetized, athletic pretend entertainment. Yeah, I understand, 3819 04:38:11.520 --> 04:38:17.119 Matt. That's how we can be of service. Michael writes, good 3820 04:38:17.159 --> 04:38:18.159 evening, This is going to be a bit of a stream of consciousness, 3821 04:38:18.200 --> 04:38:22.799 but this recap on Warrior and satur In Nate's made of at ninety two really 3822 04:38:22.840 --> 04:38:25.080 hit home for me. I grew up in a small town in central Ohio. 3823 04:38:25.360 --> 04:38:27.200 Actually went to the nineteenninety two Survivor series on Thanksgiving Eve. Wow, 3824 04:38:27.959 --> 04:38:33.319 he went, Wow, We've always been a fan of he was there. 3825 04:38:36.720 --> 04:38:37.720 Back in these days, getting tickets was a bit of a pain in the 3826 04:38:37.759 --> 04:38:41.919 ass. We had to go to an independent music store in downtown in order 3827 04:38:41.000 --> 04:38:45.479 to call in and order our tickets. The other complicating piece is while I 3828 04:38:45.520 --> 04:38:48.400 still read the WWF magazine, I never had access to cable and the local 3829 04:38:48.479 --> 04:38:52.959 Fox television affiliate would preempt Superstars of Wrestling seemingly randomly. The last time I 3830 04:38:52.119 --> 04:38:56.520 regularly was able to watch Superstars of Wrestling was ready on SummerSlam I distinctly remember 3831 04:38:56.599 --> 04:39:00.319 Nails attacking the boss Man. So anyway, probably around the Septemer Nineteenninet two 3832 04:39:00.319 --> 04:39:03.959 issue of WAIF magazine, and I remember the back of the magazine having a 3833 04:39:03.000 --> 04:39:07.840 big ad for Survivor series Warrior and Macho against Flare and Ramon coffin match Betwe 3834 04:39:07.919 --> 04:39:11.200 Kamal and Taker night Stick match between boss Man and Nails. And I was 3835 04:39:11.279 --> 04:39:14.880 in and it was in Richfield, Ohio. Now I was ten. I 3836 04:39:14.919 --> 04:39:17.479 had no idea where Richfield was, but I was able to beg and beg 3837 04:39:17.599 --> 04:39:19.720 until my dad finally gave in. He bitched about having a drive on seventy 3838 04:39:19.759 --> 04:39:22.759 one to Cleveland on the busiest travel day of the year. Of course, 3839 04:39:22.959 --> 04:39:27.319 what's better than a dad complaining about traffic taking you to wrestling. Oh and 3840 04:39:27.439 --> 04:39:30.639 of course we didn't get in quite on time. Still remember hearing Crushes theme 3841 04:39:30.680 --> 04:39:33.560 echoing in the arena as we were still finding our seats. That's stressful. 3842 04:39:36.080 --> 04:39:37.119 Sorry I am digressing. But the key to thing to know is the only 3843 04:39:37.159 --> 04:39:41.360 thing I knew going into this event was from Saturday Night's main event, Heart 3844 04:39:41.479 --> 04:39:42.799 was now the champ, which I was okay about, kind of happy to 3845 04:39:42.840 --> 04:39:45.319 see a WT fifth Championship match at the show that I was going to see, 3846 04:39:45.479 --> 04:39:48.319 and then at the end of the show, I heard Heenan saying something 3847 04:39:48.360 --> 04:39:52.080 about there being a problem with the Mega Maniacs. I thought for sure that 3848 04:39:52.520 --> 04:39:56.680 Ultim Maniacs. Yeah, he said Mega. Yeah, he said Mega too. 3849 04:39:56.919 --> 04:40:00.279 I thought for sure that was Heenan being an idiot. I was finally 3850 04:40:00.360 --> 04:40:03.319 going to see my guy Warrior. As I walked through the arena, I 3851 04:40:03.400 --> 04:40:07.799 looked at the merchandise Kiosk and saw mister Perfect with Savage Right. What the 3852 04:40:07.880 --> 04:40:11.360 fuck? Perfect had always been an asshole. I didn't like him and definitely 3853 04:40:11.360 --> 04:40:14.959 didn't accept this replacement. Nope, it definitely took the wind out of my 3854 04:40:15.040 --> 04:40:18.040 sales. You're done. After the show, I kind of stepped back from 3855 04:40:18.159 --> 04:40:21.400 WWF until my family got cable in January of ninety four, the day of 3856 04:40:21.400 --> 04:40:23.720 the Rumble, which I definitely talked my folks into letting me get I was 3857 04:40:23.759 --> 04:40:29.000 excited when I saw on WWF magazine that Hogan won the title at WrestleMania nine. 3858 04:40:29.279 --> 04:40:30.560 I rented it from the local First Choice Video. I would call the 3859 04:40:30.639 --> 04:40:34.240 number every fifteen minutes to see if the asshole that rented at first had returned 3860 04:40:34.279 --> 04:40:40.799 it yet Oh the worst. That's awesome. I'm sure they hated me along 3861 04:40:40.840 --> 04:40:44.000 with Final Fight for the SNS, but my love was not there. Thanks 3862 04:40:44.040 --> 04:40:45.840 for giving me an opportunity to reminisce about a formative time in my life. 3863 04:40:47.119 --> 04:40:48.560 And I love this podcast. Thank you for whole comania. Well, thank 3864 04:40:48.599 --> 04:40:52.680 you, Michael. Glad to be of service. He puts his finger on 3865 04:40:52.799 --> 04:40:56.880 something that I kind of remember, like getting back into something like watching a 3866 04:40:56.959 --> 04:41:00.759 pay per view after a year and a half or something. Yeah, like 3867 04:41:00.319 --> 04:41:03.720 being excited that you're about to discover a whole lot of things that you know 3868 04:41:03.799 --> 04:41:07.240 nothing about wrestlers you don't know you know that feeling? Yep, well, 3869 04:41:07.479 --> 04:41:11.200 yes, yes, I do kind of The last time I could replicate it 3870 04:41:11.319 --> 04:41:14.759 was sort of like when I started tape trading for Japan and all these wrestlers 3871 04:41:14.759 --> 04:41:17.479 I would read about, but I hadn't really seen an action. There was 3872 04:41:17.520 --> 04:41:19.319 no YouTube to speak of or anything like that. It's like, Wow, 3873 04:41:19.319 --> 04:41:25.240 I'm actually gonna sit here and just be like an assault on the senses of 3874 04:41:25.400 --> 04:41:27.240 brand new things, brand new wrestlers, brand new moves, brand new form 3875 04:41:27.279 --> 04:41:33.040 of presentation that's gone. Yeah, yeah, because I don't you know, 3876 04:41:33.599 --> 04:41:37.840 It's funny that I do remember having that feeling, but I haven't had it 3877 04:41:37.880 --> 04:41:42.119 in a long time. Amen to that, Miiley Ripley, thanks very much 3878 04:41:44.119 --> 04:41:47.560 for the pledige. Adam B. Welcome to the VIP. Tre Aden Miller, 3879 04:41:47.599 --> 04:41:51.639 thanks very much for your support. Leif has some stuff for his boss 3880 04:41:51.720 --> 04:41:59.040 on Brett and Virgil and kind of where he found the great verge around the 3881 04:41:59.119 --> 04:42:02.000 time of bread. That's a title reign in the Saturday Night's main event. 3882 04:42:02.040 --> 04:42:10.080 We covered all right, um yeah, in the aftermath of Virgils untimely passing 3883 04:42:10.200 --> 04:42:14.279 Rest and Peace and Tlef's coverage of the November nineten ninety two Saturday's main event. 3884 04:42:14.319 --> 04:42:18.080 It's natural to speak of that random Brett Hard Virgil Superstars title defense in 3885 04:42:18.159 --> 04:42:25.279 positive terms, and from Virgil standpoint, I obviously understand Brett's work was such 3886 04:42:25.360 --> 04:42:27.720 that it made far less talented people than Virgil look like a million bucks, 3887 04:42:29.240 --> 04:42:33.360 So it's no real surprise that that was a good match. But for twelve 3888 04:42:33.439 --> 04:42:37.560 year old me, still reeling from the jarring announcement that Brett had been hot 3889 04:42:37.599 --> 04:42:41.159 shotted into the world title, it actually felt like an inflection point where I 3890 04:42:41.200 --> 04:42:48.000 could not take the whole thing seriously. To be clear, As a fan 3891 04:42:48.119 --> 04:42:52.599 starting out a few years prior, I made it about thirty minutes into watching 3892 04:42:52.639 --> 04:42:56.159 wrestling before my mom casually passed through the room to inform me that the whole 3893 04:42:56.400 --> 04:43:02.599 thing was fake. I never really doubted that what she said was true, 3894 04:43:02.720 --> 04:43:07.759 so I understood almost immediately that it was all work. Still, even armed 3895 04:43:07.799 --> 04:43:11.360 with that knowledge, you think in markish ways, planned or not, the 3896 04:43:11.400 --> 04:43:15.080 wrestler who's dominant is more impressive. The one who catches beatings on a regular 3897 04:43:15.119 --> 04:43:22.599 basis is tough to get excited about, And that irrational construct informed my opinion 3898 04:43:22.639 --> 04:43:26.439 about Brett for a number of years. See, I was a big Heart 3899 04:43:26.479 --> 04:43:29.599 Foundation fan. They were my favorite tag team as a new fan. I 3900 04:43:29.680 --> 04:43:32.479 love the music, I love the heart Attack finisher, but it was the 3901 04:43:32.560 --> 04:43:38.840 Anvil. The Anvil who really impressed me. After all, he was the 3902 04:43:38.919 --> 04:43:41.680 one who got the hot tags to bail Bred out of peril. He was 3903 04:43:41.759 --> 04:43:45.279 the big man who could throw dropkicks when you wouldn't have expected it, and 3904 04:43:45.360 --> 04:43:49.439 in interviews, his laugh provided more personality than any words Brett could offer. 3905 04:43:49.880 --> 04:43:55.360 So I basically accepted Brett as an acceptable tag along. I didn't dislike him 3906 04:43:55.360 --> 04:43:57.639 at all. But in my backwards, young mind, it was anvil carrying 3907 04:43:57.720 --> 04:44:02.479 the team and Brett coming a long for the ride. Safe to say, 3908 04:44:02.560 --> 04:44:06.159 given this mentality, it was difficult to accept his big mega push as a 3909 04:44:06.200 --> 04:44:12.319 singles wrestler after the animal disappeared. I did not like him as much as 3910 04:44:12.360 --> 04:44:18.240 mister Perverton didn't accept him, didn't accept him. Wow as icy champ. 3911 04:44:18.720 --> 04:44:23.119 Wow swapped the belt back and forth with Roddy Piper. I felt relieved. 3912 04:44:26.560 --> 04:44:30.840 I felt relieved when the British bulldog took him down. Oh my goodness, 3913 04:44:30.400 --> 04:44:33.840 you got a hot take on Brett because it felt like they were pulling the 3914 04:44:33.919 --> 04:44:40.520 plug on this relentless Brett push. I was young, I'm stupid. I 3915 04:44:40.639 --> 04:44:44.400 did not possibly realize that losing a strap could simply be a sign of a 3916 04:44:44.439 --> 04:44:51.639 wrestler's push actually intensify to the next level. When he was randomly brought out 3917 04:44:51.680 --> 04:44:55.520 by me and Gin a few weeks later on Superstars as the new w champion, 3918 04:44:55.599 --> 04:44:59.400 I just about fell out of my chair. I couldn't believe this had 3919 04:44:59.439 --> 04:45:06.360 really happened. With despair, I accepted my fate. This man was going 3920 04:45:06.400 --> 04:45:08.000 to be a top wrestler for a very long time. I tried to suppress 3921 04:45:08.040 --> 04:45:12.439 my frustration and pretend that I was okay with it. After all, I 3922 04:45:12.560 --> 04:45:18.520 was THEWW superfan in my friend group. It always felt like my ability to 3923 04:45:18.680 --> 04:45:22.840 keep my friends interested was hanging by a thread. So I didn't feel that 3924 04:45:22.880 --> 04:45:27.680 I could afford to be negative. So I watched as Brett gave match after 3925 04:45:27.840 --> 04:45:33.680 match where he conceded an impossible amount of offense to underwhelming mid carters. How 3926 04:45:33.720 --> 04:45:38.680 could I take seriously the notion that this was the man He's dominating nobody. 3927 04:45:38.799 --> 04:45:48.240 He's barely surviving all comers like a heeled champion, but he's supposed to be 3928 04:45:48.520 --> 04:45:56.319 the conquering hero. How much longer can I pretend wow that this isn't crazy? 3929 04:45:57.159 --> 04:46:00.400 So I kept up a good face. A friend at the school mentioned 3930 04:46:00.439 --> 04:46:04.599 that Brett would be defending the Belticainst. Virgil that weekend. Channeling my perpetual 3931 04:46:04.799 --> 04:46:08.240 state of denial, I said, Yeah, kind of weird for Virgil to 3932 04:46:08.240 --> 04:46:11.159 get a world title shop, but Britt will beat him less than two minutes. 3933 04:46:11.360 --> 04:46:17.919 Did that happen? Of course not, he dominates nobody. I just 3934 04:46:18.000 --> 04:46:21.279 hadn't accept that Virgil got a bunch of offense and looked roughly on Brett's level 3935 04:46:22.240 --> 04:46:26.919 in my living room. The result wasn't to feel that Brett that the Virgil 3936 04:46:26.959 --> 04:46:30.439 overlooked, that Virgil looked great. It was to feel that Brett looked like 3937 04:46:30.479 --> 04:46:37.880 an absolutely pitiful excuse for a WWE champion. That's fascinating, yep. And 3938 04:46:37.959 --> 04:46:41.959 I still stand by the notion that it's bad booking to have never let Brett 3939 04:46:42.119 --> 04:46:52.279 ever dominate anyone. That seems absolutely crucial, crucial to putting someone over as 3940 04:46:52.319 --> 04:46:56.040 the very best. Frankly, I'm amazed that Vince ever brought into this model 3941 04:46:56.040 --> 04:47:00.040 of just putting on good matches without trying to make his champion the herculean. 3942 04:47:02.279 --> 04:47:07.000 Anyway, after the Titanic battle with Virgil, I was done pretending Brett. 3943 04:47:07.439 --> 04:47:14.200 Pretending Brett as the top guy was a joke which I started acknowledging to everyone 3944 04:47:14.240 --> 04:47:18.560 I knew. Hating Brett became one of my primary fixations as a wrestling fan 3945 04:47:18.680 --> 04:47:26.439 for years. Thankfully, rather than putting them off wrestling, it merely amused 3946 04:47:26.520 --> 04:47:32.680 my friends to know how incredibly angry it made me every time Brett narrowly escaped 3947 04:47:32.680 --> 04:47:41.520 with another win, and that was practically a weekly occurrence. I was eventually 3948 04:47:42.040 --> 04:47:47.360 to outgrow that feeling. Come WrestleMania twelve, he was clearly the cooler persona 3949 04:47:47.840 --> 04:47:52.720 than newly minted painful baby face Sean Michaels. So I got behind Brett, 3950 04:47:52.759 --> 04:47:56.080 worked myself into a shoot and actually became a Brett fan on that basis just 3951 04:47:56.200 --> 04:48:00.319 in the course of a couple of months, and it stuck for the long 3952 04:48:00.520 --> 04:48:04.639 haul. Just wanted to put in my note that where Virgil understandably saw that 3953 04:48:04.799 --> 04:48:08.279 matches a beautiful moment in time, in this youngs fan mind, it was, 3954 04:48:08.439 --> 04:48:14.720 at least for a few years, a breaking point. He gave Virgil 3955 04:48:14.799 --> 04:48:23.080 offense fuck you, we're done here? Wow? Yeah, I mean, 3956 04:48:23.880 --> 04:48:26.599 do you think it was necessary when they went with Brett to have him just 3957 04:48:26.680 --> 04:48:30.360 completely wipe the floor with certain guys? It didn't bother me as much. 3958 04:48:30.479 --> 04:48:33.919 Honestly, I didn't even think about that really, that he didn't do that, 3959 04:48:33.279 --> 04:48:37.560 because Hogan would give plenty of offense to people too. Yeah. And 3960 04:48:37.720 --> 04:48:40.319 also look at Savage. Savage to me was one of those guys. I 3961 04:48:40.360 --> 04:48:48.119 mean, he's what made him such a great babyface was that was his heel. 3962 04:48:48.360 --> 04:48:52.520 I mean, his selling the way he would sell it was unbelievable. 3963 04:48:52.560 --> 04:48:56.799 He was he is and always will be one of the best. And that 3964 04:48:57.439 --> 04:49:03.319 and that was what made it, you know, gave him that uh you 3965 04:49:03.400 --> 04:49:08.439 know, he because he always like he was about to die, and that's 3966 04:49:08.520 --> 04:49:15.560 what made his comebacks the more, you know, important, and the they 3967 04:49:15.599 --> 04:49:18.959 felt bigger. It's interesting because you wouldn't have had I mean, you have 3968 04:49:19.040 --> 04:49:22.479 Hogan working all these opponents all over the place, but they tended to be 3969 04:49:22.599 --> 04:49:26.880 ones of like, you know, more daunting physical stature than Virgil Visa v. 3970 04:49:26.919 --> 04:49:29.759 Bread, I mean virtual almost bigger than Bread. But I mean with 3971 04:49:29.880 --> 04:49:32.400 Brett, it was sort of like, you know, he was so cunning 3972 04:49:32.479 --> 04:49:34.919 and skillful. It was never that he could dominate an opponent. It was 3973 04:49:34.959 --> 04:49:38.680 that he was the best at pulling the rugout from under an opponent, luring 3974 04:49:38.720 --> 04:49:41.959 an opponent into a predicament where he would get the victory and he would pull 3975 04:49:42.000 --> 04:49:45.639 it out. He'd find a way to win. Butere Brett's you know, 3976 04:49:45.040 --> 04:49:47.759 I don't know, I think it would have been kind of awkward for Brett 3977 04:49:47.759 --> 04:49:49.400 to just start steamrolling people just because he had the strap. Yeah, I 3978 04:49:49.639 --> 04:49:55.880 don't think that would have been a good idea, at least not early on. 3979 04:49:56.200 --> 04:49:57.119 For sure. Is the champ, you know, with like the exception 3980 04:49:57.240 --> 04:50:00.919 of like a Goldberg play or a brutal play something like that, the champ 3981 04:50:02.040 --> 04:50:04.439 kind of has to sell, you know, you kind of have to you 3982 04:50:04.560 --> 04:50:07.520 kind of have to give the people when you're the champion more of a show 3983 04:50:07.599 --> 04:50:11.200 than just you running somebody over, like it's an opening match thing. That's 3984 04:50:11.240 --> 04:50:15.080 more of like when you were establishing yourself. But when you're already established, 3985 04:50:15.119 --> 04:50:18.400 you should know your character well enough that you can sell without sacrificing a tremendous 3986 04:50:18.439 --> 04:50:22.119 amount of you know, believability. At the same time, I get it, 3987 04:50:22.200 --> 04:50:25.720 though it was kind of jarring how right out of the gate instead of 3988 04:50:25.759 --> 04:50:30.560 building, instead of wrestling like a well honed challenger that was built up and 3989 04:50:30.799 --> 04:50:33.119 was like top ranked. Then you could see him giving more offense. But 3990 04:50:33.200 --> 04:50:36.599 he was just like he was having a tough time with Papa Shango and Virgil 3991 04:50:36.720 --> 04:50:40.560 like immediately, and that was perhaps a little too quick, but they wanted 3992 04:50:40.560 --> 04:50:42.599 to make him that fighting champion did it. He also did that early on, 3993 04:50:42.840 --> 04:50:51.720 like when when he was I remember, I remember when I would see 3994 04:50:51.880 --> 04:50:57.759 him when he when when I first started watching in the fall of ninety one, 3995 04:51:00.319 --> 04:51:03.840 it used to I was like, oh my god, he's like he 3996 04:51:03.959 --> 04:51:07.319 let jobbers beat him up a little bit. Yeah, he would get the 3997 04:51:07.400 --> 04:51:11.520 off the jobbers would get offense on him, and I'd be like, Brett 3998 04:51:11.560 --> 04:51:15.400 Hart's weak, He's not strong, right, you know whenever Jobbers got offense 3999 04:51:15.439 --> 04:51:21.279 it made me feel very uncomfortable. Yeah, that's true about the baby Faces. 4000 04:51:21.439 --> 04:51:23.840 Yeah, and while Virgil was kind of a job where he wasn't it's 4001 04:51:23.880 --> 04:51:27.040 not a Dale Wolf getting offense in on Prett. You know, It's not 4002 04:51:27.119 --> 04:51:33.959 one of those nameless jabrones, right, Leanne, Thank you very much for 4003 04:51:33.040 --> 04:51:36.319 your pledge. I guess the rule is if you had an action figure, 4004 04:51:36.840 --> 04:51:38.560 you could get offense in on Brett. Yeah, that might makes sense. 4005 04:51:40.279 --> 04:51:41.639 As we were talking about the death of WW, Christopher Cree, a long, 4006 04:51:41.880 --> 04:51:45.799 long time Rock Solid member of the Solar System, rights in about licensing 4007 04:51:45.840 --> 04:51:47.959 fees. He says, sorry, just jolted out of bed thinking about this. 4008 04:51:48.080 --> 04:51:49.680 Totally normal. You all raise this point with Brian Alvarez, but he 4009 04:51:49.720 --> 04:51:52.479 really and disappointingly because I love his comment to he brushed it off. If 4010 04:51:52.560 --> 04:51:56.400 modern wrestling evolved into a business model totally reliant upon licensing fees, and Brad 4011 04:51:56.479 --> 04:52:00.919 Siegal noted that the licensing fees turned a broadcasting paid WCW were deliberately suppressed. 4012 04:52:02.119 --> 04:52:06.560 It strikes me that we've then rather conclusively established no less than seventy five percent 4013 04:52:06.599 --> 04:52:11.439 of the liability for WCW's demise. But Siegel also noted it wasn't his call. 4014 04:52:11.639 --> 04:52:14.200 Surely there could have been no more than two to three people above his 4015 04:52:14.240 --> 04:52:17.479 pig grade with authority to do so, and they're all identifiable for public securities 4016 04:52:17.520 --> 04:52:19.479 filings. In the Hogan Discovery, I feel like episode three is the ultimate 4017 04:52:19.520 --> 04:52:22.799 setup for the massive swerve. While he gets into the ending there, but 4018 04:52:22.880 --> 04:52:27.119 yeah, I mean, that's huge that Brad Siegel basically says in that episode 4019 04:52:27.200 --> 04:52:32.400 that what they were paying WCW was not at all commensurate with what a network 4020 04:52:32.479 --> 04:52:34.880 like T and T would have paid a content provider like WCW in that market 4021 04:52:34.919 --> 04:52:37.919 in that time. It's not just that the business hadn't evolved yet to be 4022 04:52:38.159 --> 04:52:44.560 a sort of licensing first model. It was more of an advertising based proposition. 4023 04:52:45.040 --> 04:52:49.240 But still, even if I heard Brad Siegal's comments right, even the 4024 04:52:49.319 --> 04:52:53.159 going market rate in nineteen ninety six, seven eight, what you would have 4025 04:52:53.200 --> 04:52:57.240 paid for the kind of ratings WCW was doing was nowhere near where Turner Broadcasting 4026 04:52:57.319 --> 04:53:00.840 was allotting them in this sort of like you know, almost like this phantom 4027 04:53:00.919 --> 04:53:03.439 license thing, because it was all within the Turner family. The money, 4028 04:53:03.599 --> 04:53:07.680 you know, like on one side of Turner paying the other right. But 4029 04:53:07.759 --> 04:53:11.040 if they paid them, many were commensurate. But they would have been paid 4030 04:53:11.040 --> 04:53:14.560 if they shopped the rights around. And you know, USA or I don't 4031 04:53:14.599 --> 04:53:17.479 know, another network like Fax bid for Nitro. The kind of money they 4032 04:53:17.479 --> 04:53:19.919 could have gotten, it could have been. It could have transformed WCW's budget. 4033 04:53:22.040 --> 04:53:23.680 I thought there was a very pregnant pause from Brad Siegel in that point. 4034 04:53:25.720 --> 04:53:26.880 He very quickly kind of had to look at the ceiling and be like, 4035 04:53:26.919 --> 04:53:32.040 all right, well that wasn't I don't totally shoulder the blame for that 4036 04:53:32.319 --> 04:53:34.159 state of affairs, even though I don't know. That look in his face 4037 04:53:34.200 --> 04:53:38.720 tells me he totally does. That He could have served to improve the situation 4038 04:53:38.840 --> 04:53:42.040 and chose not to. Sure, Scott Gallagher, thank you for your pledge. 4039 04:53:42.040 --> 04:53:45.560 All the way up to that mote tier, we appreciated logan rights. 4040 04:53:45.599 --> 04:53:49.520 Andy Albeck's entire life, his experiences, his successes, his failures, his 4041 04:53:49.639 --> 04:53:53.840 trials and tribulations, yes, it all boils down to him being a stock 4042 04:53:53.919 --> 04:53:59.560 Russian character and called Nosferatu on some Patreon show fourteen years after his death. 4043 04:54:00.919 --> 04:54:06.319 You never saw it coming. No, carnies are forever. You're damn right, 4044 04:54:06.439 --> 04:54:07.599 Rob Strathman, Thank you very much for your pledge. Thank you, 4045 04:54:08.520 --> 04:54:11.319 Austin right. Sorry, JP. But what the brich British folk in that 4046 04:54:11.360 --> 04:54:14.840 book are failing to mention. This is when we were talking about that ninety 4047 04:54:14.880 --> 04:54:18.919 percent marginal tax rate. Yes, yes, that caused what was it Connery 4048 04:54:18.959 --> 04:54:22.080 to flee? No, it was, well, it caused Corn to flee 4049 04:54:22.159 --> 04:54:25.520 too. Everyone was fleeing at that point, but we were I was reading 4050 04:54:25.599 --> 04:54:30.439 specifically from Roger Moore's book, and that book are failing to mention are that 4051 04:54:30.479 --> 04:54:33.759 those super high taxes are only for the dollars earned at very high levels. 4052 04:54:33.959 --> 04:54:37.119 In nineteen seventy four, or five years before Moonriker was released. By what 4053 04:54:37.240 --> 04:54:40.000 I can find, the highest tax rate was seventy five percent, not ninety 4054 04:54:40.000 --> 04:54:42.360 eight or whatever, and only dollars earned above twenty k would be taken at 4055 04:54:42.360 --> 04:54:45.479 that rate adjusted for inflation. That's well our two hundred and fifty k today. 4056 04:54:45.720 --> 04:54:48.040 The top rates were super high at one point in like the fifties and 4057 04:54:48.080 --> 04:54:52.080 sixties. But again only rich folk had to worry about that still though, 4058 04:54:52.200 --> 04:54:56.520 I mean, let's look, I'm not saying that that it's not a lot 4059 04:54:56.560 --> 04:55:03.599 of money, but if you're making okay, i mean, you know, 4060 04:55:03.799 --> 04:55:10.279 looking at looking at his movies, he's making you know about you know, 4061 04:55:10.479 --> 04:55:14.319 roughly a million dollars a movie. Okay, at least a James Bond movie. 4062 04:55:15.080 --> 04:55:22.200 So that means that seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars. What did you 4063 04:55:22.240 --> 04:55:26.439 say, he's a twenty k? Actually, well he said two hundred and 4064 04:55:26.439 --> 04:55:32.840 fifty k would be the the equivalent today. Yeah, okay, so that's 4065 04:55:32.880 --> 04:55:37.119 even worse. Actually, So if he's saying twenty thousand dollars was the was 4066 04:55:37.200 --> 04:55:45.159 the mark, that means nine hundred and eighty thousand dollars was taxed, even 4067 04:55:45.200 --> 04:55:49.080 at seventy five percent, that's ridiculous given the choice to like just go somewhere 4068 04:55:49.119 --> 04:55:53.319 else and not pay it, you know, right exactly, The top rates 4069 04:55:53.360 --> 04:55:56.360 were super high at one point, like he says, commoner's paid somewhere between 4070 04:55:56.400 --> 04:56:00.599 a forty to fifty percent if anything, because people making below a certain amount 4071 04:56:00.639 --> 04:56:03.759 paid zero taxes. What you read we're rich. Celebrities like Sean Connery bitching 4072 04:56:03.759 --> 04:56:07.680 about having their income cap that a very high amount so the UK could pay 4073 04:56:07.759 --> 04:56:11.080 more debts back. There was a reason that US house, the US flourished 4074 04:56:11.279 --> 04:56:12.959 and dominated the world economy in the fifties. One. We didn't get our 4075 04:56:12.959 --> 04:56:15.720 ship blown to bits too. We had a very high marginal tax rate, 4076 04:56:15.799 --> 04:56:19.240 top end was near seventy percent. Love you guys, but the economics part 4077 04:56:19.240 --> 04:56:23.080 about tax exiles was off the mark. Brother, that's a yeah, that's 4078 04:56:23.159 --> 04:56:27.680 a that's a sore spot, that's a trigger stuff. I'm not I'll be 4079 04:56:27.720 --> 04:56:30.840 the first to admit, Yeah, absolutely, you know I'm not an expert 4080 04:56:30.919 --> 04:56:33.880 on that, so I appreciate the the clarity on that. I have no 4081 04:56:34.000 --> 04:56:37.599 idea, but it still just sounds like sounds like bullshit to me. Honestly, 4082 04:56:37.639 --> 04:56:42.200 you could understand why they did it. Tom ad a Nascio comes in. 4083 04:56:42.439 --> 04:56:45.240 The UK's tax rates in the nineteen seventies led to a huge amount of 4084 04:56:45.279 --> 04:56:49.240 tax exiles leaving the country. The Rolling Stones album Exile on Main Street refers 4085 04:56:49.279 --> 04:56:52.360 to their life as tax exiles in the early seventies. Very funny. The 4086 04:56:52.439 --> 04:56:56.119 marginal tax rate was eighty three percent for everything over twenty thousand pounds according to 4087 04:56:56.200 --> 04:57:00.599 the Bank of England, twenty pounds in nineteen seventy four, the equivalent a 4088 04:57:00.680 --> 04:57:03.720 bit of over one hundred and eighty three thousand pounds. Now they also had 4089 04:57:03.759 --> 04:57:07.639 an over ninety percent tax rate and all investment income. That's key I've attacked 4090 04:57:07.720 --> 04:57:11.880 you can't come tax rates. Of course, you have Tom from seventy four 4091 04:57:11.919 --> 04:57:14.639 to ninety if you want to really dig into it. Other famous tax exiles 4092 04:57:14.639 --> 04:57:18.240 from the era Sean Connery, Michael Kane, David Bowie, John Berry, 4093 04:57:18.319 --> 04:57:21.840 Guy Hamilton, Tom Jones, Kat Stevens, Rod Stewart, and many many 4094 04:57:21.880 --> 04:57:26.159 others. Yeah, it's pretty much the entire fucking you know, we're in 4095 04:57:26.279 --> 04:57:30.279 that. In that episode, we were talking about how more or less everybody 4096 04:57:30.319 --> 04:57:40.720 who was working on the goddamn James Bond series was was a tax exile. 4097 04:57:41.279 --> 04:57:45.560 Yeah. True. Now it was like what all the h the accountants who 4098 04:57:45.599 --> 04:57:52.040 serviced entertainers were advising, I'd imagine, right, or certainly not discouraging so 4099 04:57:52.240 --> 04:57:53.680 interesting. Interesting, Winkel, I don't know anything about all that stuff. 4100 04:57:55.000 --> 04:57:59.200 Yeah, that was a great learning from the Carneizer Forever series, and it 4101 04:57:59.240 --> 04:58:00.880 continues here in the me Back episode as you've come to expect. Jeff B. 4102 04:58:02.000 --> 04:58:03.439 Thank you very much for the pledge. We appreciate it. GMB eighty 4103 04:58:03.520 --> 04:58:07.000 five, thanks for pledging upwards to that EP t R erosion. Patel, 4104 04:58:07.080 --> 04:58:11.959 thank you very much for joining us. Alex Shwed, thank you very much 4105 04:58:11.040 --> 04:58:15.680 for the support. William writes to us on Patreon. IM imagining a time 4106 04:58:15.919 --> 04:58:18.200 where Cody loses the title and has to go through some hard times daddy and 4107 04:58:18.279 --> 04:58:22.279 has to work second jobs to make ends meet. We get vignettes of him 4108 04:58:22.279 --> 04:58:25.720 mowing yards in his flag coat, detailing cars in his flag coat, roofing 4109 04:58:25.799 --> 04:58:29.000 in his flag coat. But one day, while cleaning out a hoarder's attic, 4110 04:58:29.080 --> 04:58:30.680 he comes across a rat's nest. Then it dawns on him, I 4111 04:58:30.799 --> 04:58:33.159 know what I need to do. He goes out to his truck, takes 4112 04:58:33.200 --> 04:58:36.880 off the flag coat, and puts on a car heart that is also made 4113 04:58:36.880 --> 04:58:38.720 to look like a flag. But we can't see the back. He winces 4114 04:58:38.840 --> 04:58:41.599 as he looks up at the house and says, we got this steady. 4115 04:58:42.080 --> 04:58:45.759 As he walks up, we get to see the back of the car heart. 4116 04:58:45.840 --> 04:58:53.279 It says Cotin's rodents Panda, thanks for the increase in pledge. We 4117 04:58:53.360 --> 04:59:03.319 appreciate that the extraminader and I've always wonted Codin's rodents. I heard the service 4118 04:59:03.400 --> 04:59:07.639 is pretty good. Yes, Brandon Lynn, welcome to the EP tire, 4119 04:59:07.680 --> 04:59:10.799 my friend. Thanks for the pledge. Trevor o'donald, Welcome to VIP status. 4120 04:59:10.880 --> 04:59:14.080 We very much appreciate it. David Cammonester, a longtime supporter of that 4121 04:59:14.159 --> 04:59:17.240 mote tier boss. He wonders, can we please get a Mama Sorrow inspired 4122 04:59:17.279 --> 04:59:22.360 wrestling rink T shirt? Uh? Yeah, I've been trying to think of 4123 04:59:22.400 --> 04:59:26.319 how to really do it. I don't know yet, but I'm working on 4124 04:59:26.360 --> 04:59:30.759 it. Okay, good as later. Thanks for the increase. Appreciate it. 4125 04:59:30.840 --> 04:59:33.759 Dominic, thank you so very much for increasing your pledge to us. 4126 04:59:33.000 --> 04:59:36.680 Trevor o'd donald, who keeps going, keeps climbing, welcome to the EPT 4127 04:59:36.680 --> 04:59:40.400 here, Buddy Cody writes. Old men yell at clouds because a ring announcer 4128 04:59:40.439 --> 04:59:42.360 adds some energy to things for once. Sometimes it didn't used to be better. 4129 04:59:42.439 --> 04:59:45.319 Good lord, Boss, you can't be going in on Samantha Irvin like 4130 04:59:45.400 --> 04:59:48.959 that. She sucks. What do you want? Old men yell at clouds 4131 04:59:49.000 --> 04:59:53.799 because a ring announcer add some energy to things. Uh, I'll tell you 4132 04:59:53.880 --> 04:59:59.319 what I think added a lot of energy to things and didn't make it about 4133 04:59:59.400 --> 05:00:11.159 him. So I don't see what she's not good. She's distracting. Lee 4134 05:00:11.240 --> 05:00:17.639 Garcia put a lot of energy in things. She wasn't distracting. You know, 4135 05:00:18.200 --> 05:00:22.119 it's there, There are there are ways to do it in that it 4136 05:00:22.200 --> 05:00:26.959 doesn't take away from Like I don't I don't care about her, you know, 4137 05:00:27.200 --> 05:00:30.599 like the ring announcer. The ring announcer is supposed to be like the 4138 05:00:32.159 --> 05:00:37.720 referee in a way, like you they they they have a job to do, 4139 05:00:37.319 --> 05:00:41.240 but you don't want to take too much attention away, you know, 4140 05:00:41.880 --> 05:00:48.799 make the announcement and then go away. That's it. It's it's more Michael 4141 05:00:48.799 --> 05:00:53.040 Buffer and presentation than it is the others. Yeah, but even Michael Buffer, 4142 05:00:53.880 --> 05:01:00.720 like Michael Buffer. But yeah, there's a there's a thing about Michael 4143 05:01:00.720 --> 05:01:04.240 Buffer, like it's it's he wasn't even really showing off though in a way, 4144 05:01:04.360 --> 05:01:07.919 like it just feels like she's showing off, you know. Like that's 4145 05:01:08.000 --> 05:01:15.720 where it really bothers me, is that it feels like she's she's showing off 4146 05:01:15.799 --> 05:01:19.959 her growling vocal skills. Yeah, she's definitely doing that. Listen. She's 4147 05:01:19.959 --> 05:01:27.159 got an incredible voice. She is amazing. But what she does is just 4148 05:01:29.720 --> 05:01:36.159 like the thing about Buffer is that he's he's on a different level. His 4149 05:01:36.279 --> 05:01:42.919 stuff is so campy and and over the top that it's on a different level. 4150 05:01:44.000 --> 05:01:49.240 Like you can't you can't compare anyone to Buffer, really because it's so 4151 05:01:51.279 --> 05:02:00.200 it's so like iconic. She she's not there. She's not at that level 4152 05:02:00.680 --> 05:02:06.360 obviously, and maybe some days she will. Maybe some days she will be 4153 05:02:06.439 --> 05:02:08.479 as big as Michael Buffer, who the fuck knows, And I wish her 4154 05:02:08.520 --> 05:02:15.680 all the other luck. I just I don't think her way of introducing wrestlers 4155 05:02:15.479 --> 05:02:22.080 is appropriate. I don't think that WWE is necessarily doing her any favors by 4156 05:02:22.479 --> 05:02:26.319 hovering on her as much as they do before many events. Right, I 4157 05:02:26.400 --> 05:02:32.200 feel like she I don't know, she's doing things that announcers used to do 4158 05:02:32.319 --> 05:02:38.959 at ringside, And it's not like in it's not entirely her fault that she 4159 05:02:40.119 --> 05:02:45.080 comes off as thinking it about her because they chose I've been really surprised they 4160 05:02:45.159 --> 05:02:47.279 did this and people love it, so I guess, you know, I'm 4161 05:02:47.319 --> 05:02:52.000 just disconnected from from their thinking and the audience's you know, appetite for it, 4162 05:02:52.159 --> 05:02:55.840 but I've been surprised by how much they linger and lean in and like 4163 05:02:56.040 --> 05:03:00.720 make it about her, like annunciation and stuff. She's she's all of a 4164 05:03:00.759 --> 05:03:04.159 sudden become a part of the matches, and it's like, that's not what 4165 05:03:04.279 --> 05:03:07.599 their job is, at least in my opinion, not what their job is 4166 05:03:07.599 --> 05:03:10.319 supposed to be. Yeah, it's something that growing up watching Vince's stuff, 4167 05:03:10.360 --> 05:03:15.599 you know, we never ever were I mean, you knew Fink was was 4168 05:03:15.639 --> 05:03:18.080 a booming voice, but Fink was like a narrator. He was like, 4169 05:03:18.720 --> 05:03:21.479 Fink was like the voice over what you were watching. He wasn't on the 4170 05:03:21.560 --> 05:03:26.520 screen in those iconic calls. In a weird way, Fink was kind of 4171 05:03:26.599 --> 05:03:32.799 our voice, you know, like he he when he would announce a new 4172 05:03:32.919 --> 05:03:40.599 champion, it was our excitement, you know, like he was sharing our 4173 05:03:40.680 --> 05:03:45.959 excitement with that. Well, she does that, I mean, her voice 4174 05:03:45.000 --> 05:03:49.720 cracking when she announced Cody one and Philly. She does share she is the 4175 05:03:49.799 --> 05:03:52.279 voice of our excitement. But no, no she's not, though, because 4176 05:03:52.439 --> 05:03:56.720 it's not it's not about cracking. It's not about represents not about being us. 4177 05:03:56.799 --> 05:04:02.080 It's about it's about representing our excitement. Yeah, and when Fink would 4178 05:04:02.119 --> 05:04:11.680 do that, I mean, listen, name me another Samantha Irvin does not 4179 05:04:11.799 --> 05:04:15.439 give me goosebumps when she announces a new champion. Howard Finkel has done that. 4180 05:04:17.000 --> 05:04:22.639 Yeah, that's fair. Howard Finkel announcing someone is a new champion has 4181 05:04:22.720 --> 05:04:27.560 given me goosebumps before. When I went back and watched Wrestling forty on Peacock 4182 05:04:27.680 --> 05:04:32.919 after getting back from Philly, her announcement gave me goosebumps. All right, 4183 05:04:33.000 --> 05:04:37.000 well, maybe I should watch it. It's it's hard to it's hard to 4184 05:04:37.080 --> 05:04:38.360 know, like without watching it back, because she has to be a part 4185 05:04:38.400 --> 05:04:41.080 of a moment that justifies that. That's the only one so far as far 4186 05:04:41.119 --> 05:04:45.599 as I can tell, you know what I mean. I don't like how 4187 05:04:45.639 --> 05:04:48.639 they do the fucking title match in the ring like that. I don't like 4188 05:04:48.720 --> 05:04:52.880 that. I don't like how the champion is like standing on two sides of 4189 05:04:52.919 --> 05:04:56.720 the cage and they do the Bruce Buffer thing where like because Bruce is another 4190 05:04:56.799 --> 05:05:00.240 example, where like the announcer is like right in the and the foreground. 4191 05:05:00.319 --> 05:05:07.159 I don't know, I just feel like it. It doesn't enhance the right, 4192 05:05:07.240 --> 05:05:08.520 it doesn't enhance the wrestlers or the tension in the ring. It just 4193 05:05:08.680 --> 05:05:11.560 this thing you have to like sit through and it's it could be enjoyable, 4194 05:05:11.639 --> 05:05:17.520 but it doesn't. It doesn't enhance the the the anticipation of these two wrestlers 4195 05:05:17.560 --> 05:05:18.919 clashing. You know, they should almost be face to face with the ref 4196 05:05:19.000 --> 05:05:23.360 between them. While this is being read as opposed to Samantha Irvin between them 4197 05:05:23.799 --> 05:05:26.759 with the spotlight on her would right, the wrestler is a kind of like 4198 05:05:27.279 --> 05:05:30.799 a faded spotlight off to the side. They started I remember when they started 4199 05:05:30.840 --> 05:05:33.400 doing that. It was before her, but you know when they started like 4200 05:05:33.560 --> 05:05:37.880 saving the announcement of who the wrestlers were until both got in the ring for 4201 05:05:37.919 --> 05:05:41.599 a title match. Champion, Yeah, for sure those world championships up, 4202 05:05:41.599 --> 05:05:42.639 which I don't mind, you know, I don't mind that at all. 4203 05:05:44.080 --> 05:05:47.400 I think that's kind of the culprit Like even if it's okay and not like 4204 05:05:47.680 --> 05:05:51.200 bad, Like if you took that out, she would not I think at 4205 05:05:51.240 --> 05:05:53.680 the criticism she would get because she wouldn't be well, no, when she 4206 05:05:55.000 --> 05:06:00.759 when she announces wrestler's names, it's annoying. The heroman harangues range that whole 4207 05:06:00.840 --> 05:06:07.880 thing, like no, like yeah, I just don't. I don't buy 4208 05:06:07.919 --> 05:06:12.959 it. Yeah, she's very she's she's kind of like a sacred cow. 4209 05:06:14.000 --> 05:06:17.520 I've noticed, like you can't like say anything about her. I don't know 4210 05:06:17.599 --> 05:06:19.759 why people get very animated. It's like Sasha, like you can't. Although 4211 05:06:19.759 --> 05:06:22.880 we kind of make fun of her sometimes, but an aw fan, there's 4212 05:06:22.880 --> 05:06:26.360 certainly shitting on her every dutches of microph fucking. There's no sacred cows. 4213 05:06:26.400 --> 05:06:30.000 And and you know, if, if, if, if you need me 4214 05:06:30.080 --> 05:06:33.840 to, I'm gonna go in harder on her. If that's what you're all 4215 05:06:33.880 --> 05:06:40.360 telling me, exactly be careful, you'd be fucking careful thinking you're gonna throw 4216 05:06:40.479 --> 05:06:44.479 us off the scent the one really all you do is exactly make make it 4217 05:06:44.599 --> 05:06:48.639 more enticing. Doesn't compare here it is, she doesn't compare the voice of 4218 05:06:48.680 --> 05:06:56.919 a generation, No voice of a generation. Luca Zalez, Lucas Hibden, 4219 05:06:56.560 --> 05:07:00.799 John Price, want to thank you so much for your pledges and support of 4220 05:07:00.840 --> 05:07:04.840 the cast. Very much appreciated. Yeah, Zach's looking for long sleeved baby 4221 05:07:04.919 --> 05:07:10.319 onesies TLF style. By the way, if you're listening, Dicky Bird adult 4222 05:07:10.360 --> 05:07:14.520 onesies, Yeah, yeah, we could use some at this point. Considering 4223 05:07:14.560 --> 05:07:18.720 how much we're whining. Wire Tap eight oh four. Thanks for the bump 4224 05:07:18.840 --> 05:07:22.040 up to the eptier. We love it. Dicky Bird, just water iful 4225 05:07:22.080 --> 05:07:23.680 member of the Solar system is showing us the way with some of this merch 4226 05:07:23.759 --> 05:07:30.360 and also pledging generously on Patreon is as is only appropriate. We appreciate that 4227 05:07:30.560 --> 05:07:33.959 very much. Brendon Rosnew, thank you very much for the pledge, my 4228 05:07:33.040 --> 05:07:38.159 friend, we love it. Someone wrote, this is our friends at the 4229 05:07:38.200 --> 05:07:41.799 whole ball game. Notice someone on the Patreon asking about a playlist for the 4230 05:07:41.880 --> 05:07:45.080 Funker matches that were covered on the Funk Journey. Yes, yes, Blake, 4231 05:07:45.119 --> 05:07:48.000 I'm gonna get to that. It's tough because there's like this big master 4232 05:07:48.159 --> 05:07:52.000 list of matches that were on the compilation we used for the show, but 4233 05:07:52.080 --> 05:07:56.159 we didn't watch them all. We skipped some and it's hard to remember just 4234 05:07:56.200 --> 05:08:00.479 looking at the list cold which ones we skipped and didn't. But there's gotta 4235 05:08:00.479 --> 05:08:03.919 be someone out there, right, Boss done this already that I would imagine 4236 05:08:03.959 --> 05:08:07.040 so recorded to all the matches we covered on the lobs Funk. But yes, 4237 05:08:07.279 --> 05:08:10.720 a message received, and I wanted to read this on the shows as 4238 05:08:10.759 --> 05:08:14.840 a way to holding myself accountable. To go through the list one of these 4239 05:08:14.919 --> 05:08:17.560 days. I mean we're talking. It was over like forty different discs. 4240 05:08:18.080 --> 05:08:22.799 Yeah, it's an insane amount of of footage really, and we did a 4241 05:08:22.880 --> 05:08:26.200 lot out of order to like, we pulled the ECW stuff from like two 4242 05:08:26.200 --> 05:08:30.319 thousand and six up to the ECW episode and then went back in time. 4243 05:08:30.799 --> 05:08:33.319 We pulled a lot of the NWA title stuff to that episode, and then 4244 05:08:33.400 --> 05:08:36.959 we pushed out some of the Japan stuff. So it's all over the place, 4245 05:08:37.159 --> 05:08:40.799 but we'll get to it. Nile O'Neil, thank you very much for 4246 05:08:40.880 --> 05:08:45.119 your pledge. You very much support your your support. John from Nashville. 4247 05:08:45.439 --> 05:08:47.639 Here's the theory. I don't believe it, but maybe worth reading this in 4248 05:08:47.720 --> 05:08:51.759 a mail bag. Sure. In nineteen eighty three, Jim Barnett Leteorgie Champiship 4249 05:08:51.759 --> 05:08:55.080 Wrestling to work for Vince. He helped facilitate the Black Saturday deal for Vince 4250 05:08:55.080 --> 05:08:57.080 to buy TBS programming in nine in eighty four. In nineteen eighty four, 4251 05:08:57.200 --> 05:09:00.959 later on the ratings fell, so Jim Barnett convinced Vince to sell the timeslot 4252 05:09:00.000 --> 05:09:03.720 to Jim Crockett Promotions, and he used this money to fund WrestleMania one. 4253 05:09:03.319 --> 05:09:07.279 In nineteen eighty eight, Jim Barnett was gone from WWF but helped facilitate the 4254 05:09:07.319 --> 05:09:10.919 sale of WCW to Turner from Jim Crockett and then worked for WCW into two 4255 05:09:10.919 --> 05:09:14.880 thousand and one and all this is true. So my conspiracy is Jim saw 4256 05:09:14.919 --> 05:09:18.880 the ratings drop in two thousand and nudged Brad Siegel in the right direction to 4257 05:09:18.959 --> 05:09:22.400 want to sale since he was a ww senior consultant. Then he went to 4258 05:09:22.479 --> 05:09:23.840 Vince and suggested for him to buy it since they were old friends and he 4259 05:09:23.880 --> 05:09:26.599 could get a payoff from Vince for helping. And he also went to Stu 4260 05:09:26.680 --> 05:09:30.520 Schneider in WWF at time to broker the deal and convince Jamie Kalnder to drop 4261 05:09:30.639 --> 05:09:33.959 WCW programming on TV since it was a ratings bomb and a loss, effectively 4262 05:09:34.000 --> 05:09:37.720 allowing Vince to buy it for two to three million instead of way more. 4263 05:09:37.840 --> 05:09:45.319 Thoughts, I think Jim Barnett's influence at that point, like post Turner purchase, 4264 05:09:45.479 --> 05:09:51.240 was much more muted than that. I do know Bischoff kind of resented 4265 05:09:51.319 --> 05:09:53.599 him because he was still a senior consultant on payroll after Bischoff took over, 4266 05:09:53.759 --> 05:09:57.040 and whenever Jim Barnette comes up in his podcast, he gets very kind of 4267 05:09:57.040 --> 05:10:00.360 pissy about him exactly. I don't think he liked the idea that anyone but 4268 05:10:00.479 --> 05:10:06.080 him was considered the link between the wrestling operation and Ted Turner. But Jim 4269 05:10:06.080 --> 05:10:10.880 Barnett's position in that regard way predated Eric Bischoffs. I mean, Ted Turner 4270 05:10:10.880 --> 05:10:14.360 would lean on Jim and he was a powerbroker in Georgia where they needed, 4271 05:10:14.400 --> 05:10:15.959 you know, they had their base of operations and needed those that kind of 4272 05:10:17.040 --> 05:10:19.200 juice. And yeah, he was a guy that always knew what was happening 4273 05:10:19.200 --> 05:10:22.119 in the wrestling space, so we could anticipate Chess moves, although only kind 4274 05:10:22.119 --> 05:10:26.360 of kind of gamed him out a little bit before Black Saturday. But Black 4275 05:10:26.360 --> 05:10:29.799 Saturday was kind of Jim Barnett's revenge, you know, which you can't forget. 4276 05:10:30.439 --> 05:10:33.840 And yes, he did go to WWF and help them engineer those earliest 4277 05:10:33.919 --> 05:10:38.159 days of mega success in a very sly behind the scenes way. I just 4278 05:10:38.200 --> 05:10:42.840 don't I never perceived him as being connected with the Turner hierarchy beyond Ted himself. 4279 05:10:44.319 --> 05:10:47.599 You know, the Ted relationship back to nineteen seventy two Georgia Championship wtcg 4280 05:10:47.759 --> 05:10:49.680 all that, but I never perceived him as being someone that Brad Siegel would 4281 05:10:49.680 --> 05:10:52.720 even know the name of. Let alone right, you know turn two for 4282 05:10:52.840 --> 05:10:57.200 facilitating a sale or Jamie Kellner certainly. I mean, Meltzer has said that 4283 05:10:57.799 --> 05:11:02.680 when Jami Kellner got the job Turner and he used to talk to Jim Barnett 4284 05:11:02.759 --> 05:11:06.880 before he passed away, that Barnett's immediate reaction was, oh, Jamie Kilner 4285 05:11:06.919 --> 05:11:10.599 hates wrestling, so he knew the name, and Jamie Kellner's reputation preceded him. 4286 05:11:10.599 --> 05:11:12.080 I mean, he basically started the Fox network, he started the WB 4287 05:11:12.200 --> 05:11:15.959 network. He was an absolute power player in the television business, so wouldn't 4288 05:11:15.959 --> 05:11:19.279 surprise me if his feelings on wrestling were well known. As he talks about 4289 05:11:19.319 --> 05:11:22.799 in Guy Evans Booke, he even negotiated with Vince at one point in time 4290 05:11:22.799 --> 05:11:26.080 about potentially putting wrestling on a network that he's probably thinking about the SmackDown rights 4291 05:11:26.080 --> 05:11:29.200 honestly, in nineteen ninety nine for WB. I'm not sure exactly what was 4292 05:11:29.240 --> 05:11:30.720 he's referring to when he said that, but he was trying to counter the 4293 05:11:30.759 --> 05:11:33.880 idea that he has this like total aversion to pro wrestling and can't stand it. 4294 05:11:36.159 --> 05:11:38.279 But it was, you know, he knew who he was. So 4295 05:11:38.439 --> 05:11:41.759 that's one one degree closer than just you know, pretending to know this guy 4296 05:11:41.840 --> 05:11:45.720 or pretending to have any influence with him to know who he was. But 4297 05:11:45.040 --> 05:11:49.000 I don't know, I could be wrong, but I didn't perceive him as 4298 05:11:49.040 --> 05:11:53.240 being someone that was putting deals together like he put like he sort of semi 4299 05:11:53.319 --> 05:11:56.360 engineered the crop at sale to Turner. I just don't think he was in 4300 05:11:56.479 --> 05:12:00.360 that position anymore. Could be wrong. Wishing thought he's always the guy in 4301 05:12:00.400 --> 05:12:04.400 the background, like, oh yeah, he's around like fifteen years later than 4302 05:12:04.439 --> 05:12:08.119 you ever thought he was. You know, wwf was I still paying him 4303 05:12:08.119 --> 05:12:11.080 as consultant towards the end, and he was like talking about John Cena being 4304 05:12:11.080 --> 05:12:15.599 a superstar before they saw it in him. Yeah, he was like, 4305 05:12:15.000 --> 05:12:18.599 I'm pretty sure he was paid to review their television, to like watch it 4306 05:12:18.680 --> 05:12:23.119 and send in his thoughts and his notes until his until his death. That's 4307 05:12:23.159 --> 05:12:26.439 wild. I have no clue faster than Chuck writes him in the hospital and 4308 05:12:26.520 --> 05:12:30.040 I just found out that my right testicle is going to have to be removed 4309 05:12:30.799 --> 05:12:33.040 I'm devastated, to say the least, especially considering the litany of other tragedies 4310 05:12:33.040 --> 05:12:37.159 I've gone through over the past year or so. Maybe too All about the 4311 05:12:37.279 --> 05:12:41.639 hell was that maybe JP could have lapsed. Vince, tell me that my 4312 05:12:41.799 --> 05:12:45.799 right nut has to be removed. That way, something good will have at 4313 05:12:45.840 --> 05:12:51.639 least come from this post. Take it away. He did, He did, 4314 05:12:51.799 --> 05:12:53.479 he did have it done, and he did He's doing Okay, I 4315 05:12:53.560 --> 05:13:02.360 did read that afterwards, Yes, he did follow up. Well, first 4316 05:13:02.360 --> 05:13:07.560 things first, you're losing a nut and you're not really a man, now 4317 05:13:07.639 --> 05:13:15.479 are you. A man has two balls two sacks to produce the juice of 4318 05:13:15.560 --> 05:13:19.159 life. And what do you have? You have won? You're half a 4319 05:13:19.279 --> 05:13:23.880 man. I don't know how I'm supposed to come and empathize with you. 4320 05:13:23.880 --> 05:13:30.000 You did this to yourself. You created this problem for you, and then 4321 05:13:30.360 --> 05:13:34.240 you took the easy way out and say, here's the problem, let's deal 4322 05:13:34.279 --> 05:13:37.279 with it. He said, here's the problem, let's get rid of it. 4323 05:13:41.639 --> 05:13:47.599 I can't empathize or sympathize with somebody who can't take care of themselves. 4324 05:13:49.159 --> 05:13:56.639 So maybe you deserve to lose a nut. Maybe you deserve Maybe you deserve 4325 05:13:56.720 --> 05:14:00.360 to lose both be completely nutless. This is what he wanted, right, 4326 05:14:00.439 --> 05:14:04.000 I sure hope. So when you asked laps of Vince to comment, I 4327 05:14:04.040 --> 05:14:08.360 don't think you could possibly expect it to go any other way. I can't 4328 05:14:08.520 --> 05:14:23.959 imagine you being even worth just anything at all. Zo, go fuck yourself. 4329 05:14:26.680 --> 05:14:30.599 You have no symp You get no sympathy, no empathy, no sympathy 4330 05:14:30.639 --> 05:14:37.080 from Vince McMahon. Now that's breaking news. I have no sympathy whatsoever for 4331 05:14:37.200 --> 05:14:45.680 Brett Hard. Yeah, it's very glad to hear you doing better. My 4332 05:14:45.759 --> 05:14:49.439 friend is by lapsed Vince's feelings on the matter, And as a double bald 4333 05:14:49.479 --> 05:14:55.560 as Vince may be, I think his his ultimate demise may indicate that that's 4334 05:14:55.639 --> 05:14:57.040 not all it's cracked up to be. Either. It's a good point, 4335 05:14:57.599 --> 05:15:00.759 a good point. Being fully in out in that department might just end up 4336 05:15:00.759 --> 05:15:04.639 putting you in a position to live in infamy as opposed to uh glory. 4337 05:15:06.159 --> 05:15:11.040 So keep that in mind. As writes, I know that Jack and JP 4338 05:15:11.119 --> 05:15:15.200 are not fans of that far Ferrara, neither of I. However, Ferrara 4339 05:15:15.319 --> 05:15:18.799 was one hundred percent correct with what he wrote in the article that's the WW 4340 05:15:18.959 --> 05:15:22.040 magazine column we read on the Greed episode, Yeah, less is more, 4341 05:15:22.279 --> 05:15:25.759 and it seems like Ferraro was finally starting to realize that it's okay to acknowledge 4342 05:15:25.880 --> 05:15:29.240 when someone makes a good point, even when it's someone we don't particularly care 4343 05:15:29.319 --> 05:15:33.520 for. Yeah, but you know what, for me, that is true, 4344 05:15:34.840 --> 05:15:40.080 and I'm going to do that for some people. But when some people 4345 05:15:40.439 --> 05:15:47.720 who I can't stand make a good point, it doesn't feel authentic. And 4346 05:15:47.799 --> 05:15:49.759 I'm sorry I read that article. It wasn't he was like it was a 4347 05:15:49.880 --> 05:15:56.080 It was like a torrent of metaphors and like, oh my god. He 4348 05:15:56.159 --> 05:15:57.360 said he could have said it in a paragraph, and he said it in 4349 05:15:57.520 --> 05:16:03.959 like fourteen paragraph or probably thirty right, Like what the fuck if less is 4350 05:16:04.000 --> 05:16:08.200 more? Wisest column? So long? Right? Exactly? I don't know, 4351 05:16:08.799 --> 05:16:11.599 it's it's kind of a joke to suggest that he actually had like a 4352 05:16:15.119 --> 05:16:18.840 actually was anything but like the placeholder for Eric because he couldn't put you know, 4353 05:16:18.040 --> 05:16:22.720 he wasn't interested in doing anything creative quite at that point. But yeah, 4354 05:16:22.720 --> 05:16:26.000 I mean, if he was such a great counterweight to Vince Russo, 4355 05:16:26.040 --> 05:16:29.200 then I don't know how some of that Russo stuff got onto w Ciby television 4356 05:16:29.200 --> 05:16:30.759 when they were working together. You know, he obviously didn't crack Whip Whip 4357 05:16:30.880 --> 05:16:33.680 enough and they they ended up having a fallen out in TNA as well. 4358 05:16:33.799 --> 05:16:38.040 And I don't know, I don't know. I think my problem is I 4359 05:16:38.080 --> 05:16:41.279 don't really know what to assign to him. You can write it, you 4360 05:16:41.360 --> 05:16:44.439 can write that in a magazine, but the television was pretty brutal, you 4361 05:16:44.520 --> 05:16:47.919 know, So I don't know whether blame him for that or not. But 4362 05:16:48.000 --> 05:16:52.080 they were locking some things down, you know, they were kind of they 4363 05:16:52.119 --> 05:16:57.240 were progressing certain things in a way that made it at least somewhat sensible to 4364 05:16:57.279 --> 05:17:02.560 watch WSW television from week two. Everything wasn't so arbitrary. So I will 4365 05:17:02.560 --> 05:17:04.080 give him that, But I don't know. I just didn't think it was. 4366 05:17:04.319 --> 05:17:08.119 It was very inspired the way he Yeah, it's almost like he's forcing 4367 05:17:08.200 --> 05:17:12.680 paragraphs, and I don't appreciate that. Yeah, Neil writes. He quotes 4368 05:17:12.680 --> 05:17:18.680 Scott Steiner from the great episode Atlanta's a good town. I think Alan's going 4369 05:17:18.720 --> 05:17:22.319 down in history. Yeah, if you remember the context, and about Eric 4370 05:17:22.360 --> 05:17:26.919 Bischoff, he says, Look, look, he didn't want to do everything 4371 05:17:26.000 --> 05:17:32.360 he would have done in the w W relaunch he didn't ask to do everything 4372 05:17:32.400 --> 05:17:36.439 he would have done in the ww relaunch, which I think is great insight. 4373 05:17:36.919 --> 05:17:38.439 You can't blame for anything, Chris. Thank you, Chris, thank 4374 05:17:38.439 --> 05:17:41.400 you very much for your pledge. Welcome to the VIP tear. Paul writes, 4375 05:17:41.439 --> 05:17:45.759 is it bad that I wished I lived Bischoff's life, lapsed Bischoff's life, 4376 05:17:47.720 --> 05:17:48.520 or at least I've had a beer with him? There's a little bit 4377 05:17:48.560 --> 05:17:52.959 of that. There's a little bit of like love when we go through all 4378 05:17:52.000 --> 05:17:59.000 of his you know what I mean, cabin life. Of course, it's 4379 05:17:59.080 --> 05:18:02.159 it's just funny that it's that's living that life. It's the life. The 4380 05:18:02.240 --> 05:18:03.840 life isn't the joke it said. It's Bischoff living it, you know, 4381 05:18:04.040 --> 05:18:07.599 right, That's the thing about it, exactly, It's not the life at 4382 05:18:07.639 --> 05:18:11.240 all. It's the fact that you you look at this guy and you think 4383 05:18:11.279 --> 05:18:15.080 of him living that, and it's just like it's just such a it starts 4384 05:18:15.080 --> 05:18:18.720 to looks like a hideaway more than it does a retreat. And I can 4385 05:18:18.840 --> 05:18:21.560 picture it, like I can picture him like, yeah, it feels like 4386 05:18:21.639 --> 05:18:26.799 he's in running away, uh witness protection. Yeah, exactly, it does, 4387 05:18:26.959 --> 05:18:30.520 it really does. That's a perfect example of it. James Majory got 4388 05:18:30.560 --> 05:18:33.680 pretty inimitated about it. He wrote this on Patriot. He said, you 4389 05:18:33.720 --> 05:18:38.119 know, bishof Southwestern rancher cosplay is an affection endemic among rich boomers and aging 4390 05:18:38.200 --> 05:18:41.319 gen x, easy right in the cusp. They all crave the simple, 4391 05:18:41.360 --> 05:18:47.040 old fashioned authenticity of life from a bygone era, largely created by hagiographic media 4392 05:18:47.080 --> 05:18:51.000 depictions. The Turner Networks made their bones on here you go. Every celebrity 4393 05:18:51.040 --> 05:18:53.240 of a certain stature buys a quote unquote ranch. Yeah, that is that 4394 05:18:53.319 --> 05:18:57.319 is pretty obnoxious. Yes, they crave the wild West from a John Wayne 4395 05:18:57.360 --> 05:19:02.000 movie. But is a bloodless up a political aesthetic? No must see racial 4396 05:19:02.080 --> 05:19:04.520 politics here, just tending the herd, drinking coffee by the campfire, on 4397 05:19:04.639 --> 05:19:10.799 contemplating sunsets. Eric's cowboy costplays particularly rich as it is dependent on the type 4398 05:19:10.840 --> 05:19:14.560 of massive bank roll that only a high level media career can provide about. 4399 05:19:14.599 --> 05:19:21.000 Only he can simulate rugged bankrupt, he can simulate rugged individualism and reclaim some 4400 05:19:21.119 --> 05:19:25.080 relative animinity in Wyoming. But it's all paid for by reliving every embarrassing moment 4401 05:19:25.119 --> 05:19:27.080 of his very public life on a podcast. And that's the old min irony. 4402 05:19:27.200 --> 05:19:32.200 Eric wanted to transcend just being a wrestling promoter by acquiring all the nouveau 4403 05:19:32.360 --> 05:19:36.639 reish affections, his perfect teeth, his expensive motorcyclist, his swinging lifestyle. 4404 05:19:37.040 --> 05:19:41.880 Without the requisite crossover mainstream success, He's as he ever was a classic of 4405 05:19:41.159 --> 05:19:45.919 American striver hustling until he makes it. By now, he's nearly seventy, 4406 05:19:45.959 --> 05:19:48.639 and the only thing he can do is look backward to either the nineteen nineties 4407 05:19:48.959 --> 05:19:52.799 or the nineteen eighties. No, to either the nineteen nineties or the eighteen 4408 05:19:52.919 --> 05:19:56.639 nineties. There we go. That was I stepped all over A pretty solid 4409 05:19:56.720 --> 05:20:00.400 ending sentence there from James. My apologies. Yeah, I guess you can 4410 05:20:00.479 --> 05:20:04.520 like see politics in what he's doing, and I don't know he's he's he's 4411 05:20:04.560 --> 05:20:08.200 definitely costplaying. Yeah, But I think I think that's the thing about the 4412 05:20:08.240 --> 05:20:12.240 American Mountain West is everyone kind of is right, you know, because it's 4413 05:20:12.360 --> 05:20:17.400 it's hard to because you're so far away. I think I could be wrong 4414 05:20:17.439 --> 05:20:21.919 about this, but you're so far away from a lot of economic vibrancy that 4415 05:20:22.040 --> 05:20:26.200 unless you actually tend the land for a living, you have to have been 4416 05:20:26.319 --> 05:20:29.080 wealthy to come there and buy an a state like that, you know what 4417 05:20:29.119 --> 05:20:30.680 I mean, and not have to go to work, right yeah, oh 4418 05:20:30.759 --> 05:20:34.840 yeah, you know, or go to an office. It's hard to see 4419 05:20:36.080 --> 05:20:40.319 the jobs that would support that kind of a sprawling set up existing proximate to 4420 05:20:40.439 --> 05:20:44.560 it. So you it's almost by definition going to be people who made their 4421 05:20:44.599 --> 05:20:48.400 bones and now want to retreat. I think it is kind of And Jim 4422 05:20:48.439 --> 05:20:51.599 Cornette says that you know about the wrestlers that find religion, you know, 4423 05:20:51.680 --> 05:20:55.319 you talk to God where no one else will talk to you, right right. 4424 05:20:55.479 --> 05:21:00.360 It's a great recipe when you're not leaving much behind anyway. You're not 4425 05:21:00.439 --> 05:21:03.639 leaving much behind in terms of like social interactions people would choose to have with 4426 05:21:03.680 --> 05:21:08.159 you anyway by going so remote off the grid. And I'm pretty sure he 4427 05:21:08.279 --> 05:21:12.680 harbors like, you know, paranoia about like like a lot of people out 4428 05:21:12.720 --> 05:21:15.319 there, you know, like the government coming to take is whatever the fuck. 4429 05:21:15.479 --> 05:21:18.759 So there's a little bit of a streak of that in him too. 4430 05:21:19.000 --> 05:21:22.040 But I don't know, whatever, have fun, but it is, it 4431 05:21:22.200 --> 05:21:26.520 is. It is funny to have that like rancher, to want that Rancher 4432 05:21:26.639 --> 05:21:30.080 life but want the fake teeth. That is a hilarious combination. Of course, 4433 05:21:30.400 --> 05:21:37.159 it's a tremendous combination. Ryan writes the recent Hopper poles seem as legit 4434 05:21:37.200 --> 05:21:40.319 as anything wrestling. Oh yeah, this is what we're saying about people accusing 4435 05:21:40.400 --> 05:21:44.880 us of working the poles there, Sean, I'm sure there's proof of concept 4436 05:21:44.959 --> 05:21:48.799 pilot for reality series and Eric's life in Wyoming ten to two with easy. 4437 05:21:51.560 --> 05:21:53.240 Two o'clock is a very funny time of day. That's all I'm gonna say 4438 05:21:53.240 --> 05:21:56.040 about it. Well, it's a very funn time a day to wrap things 4439 05:21:56.159 --> 05:22:00.279 up, going take a shower, like to be coming, to be done, 4440 05:22:00.560 --> 05:22:06.639 to be done, like you know, you know, I'm pretty much 4441 05:22:07.439 --> 05:22:10.000 you know, I've done everything I need to do. I've gone into town. 4442 05:22:11.240 --> 05:22:15.799 You know, I stopped by the by the by the brewery. You 4443 05:22:15.880 --> 05:22:19.240 know, I had a couple of beers. Oh you know, was out, 4444 05:22:19.560 --> 05:22:22.439 you know, I had I had beers at a bar that, like 4445 05:22:22.560 --> 05:22:26.360 I convinced myself, has been there forever. But I don't actually know if 4446 05:22:26.400 --> 05:22:29.520 it has been like the guy that the people tell me, it's been here 4447 05:22:29.560 --> 05:22:32.200 forever, but it probably got built in the sixties. Let's be honest. 4448 05:22:32.319 --> 05:22:34.560 I'm probably get built two weeks ago. There was nothing here before that, 4449 05:22:36.000 --> 05:22:41.159 nothing, So why would this be the one thing, like like fucking Stonehenge 4450 05:22:41.200 --> 05:22:44.799 that survived. I would imagine that that it would be that if something was 4451 05:22:44.919 --> 05:22:49.439 to survive and kind of that that that part of the of the country that 4452 05:22:49.639 --> 05:22:55.119 it would be, it would be something happened to do with alcohol. Yeah, 4453 05:22:55.560 --> 05:22:57.639 yeah, well that's true. The booze has been swilling ever since, 4454 05:22:59.799 --> 05:23:04.159 you know, murderers went west to claim lands and take lands from each other. 4455 05:23:04.720 --> 05:23:10.720 Yep, adam too, writes Kevin Costner. Cowboy cosplay plus wife swapping 4456 05:23:10.759 --> 05:23:18.279 plus name dropping la executives equals Bishop Philip Wrights. Two hundred and forty burritos 4457 05:23:18.319 --> 05:23:22.880 in an hour would be an average of four per minute, or one every 4458 05:23:22.959 --> 05:23:26.599 fifteen seconds for the entire hour. Might be ambitious even for Dusty. It 4459 05:23:26.720 --> 05:23:30.639 is hungry, I mean, I think so. But isn't that the calculation. 4460 05:23:30.759 --> 05:23:33.720 Doesn't that how it penciled out two hundred and forty burritos? Is he 4461 05:23:33.720 --> 05:23:36.159 said it was two hundred and forty burritos. Granted we only saw one tray 4462 05:23:36.240 --> 05:23:41.840 comeand right and forty. I'm just so glad we did that because never again 4463 05:23:42.159 --> 05:23:48.439 can people say that like we're being unfair to Dusty by talking about him overeating, 4464 05:23:48.599 --> 05:23:52.400 when him talking about wanting to have he booked himself doing it, wrenching, 4465 05:23:53.720 --> 05:24:02.400 disgusting gas like that was all his you know, that's his idea. 4466 05:24:03.080 --> 05:24:07.080 Yes to the to the asked to be smelly, to the music Vince made 4467 05:24:07.119 --> 05:24:12.439 for him, right slave name. You know, God, that's something Cody 4468 05:24:12.439 --> 05:24:15.639 wants to pretend didn't happen. Yep, does want to be reminded of that. 4469 05:24:15.840 --> 05:24:19.720 That run for for old pop. Will said. The funniest part is 4470 05:24:19.759 --> 05:24:22.400 the fact that this idiot is supposedly from the mean streets of Detroit. Now 4471 05:24:22.439 --> 05:24:30.680 he turns butter and as well ranch. But he certainly he certainly smokes meats. 4472 05:24:30.360 --> 05:24:34.279 Yes he does. I said he smoked. I said, I definitely 4473 05:24:34.319 --> 05:24:38.680 said he'd churned butter. He prefers that way goes out. He gets the 4474 05:24:38.799 --> 05:24:42.639 fucking milk from his own cows and then he sits there. But he's got 4475 05:24:42.680 --> 05:24:45.799 like a he's got like a weird you know. The thing is he's he 4476 05:24:45.840 --> 05:24:48.880 doesn't have like a like an old school wooden churn where you're something from like 4477 05:24:48.959 --> 05:24:53.400 Sharper image, right exactly. Some it's it's electronic, you know, smart 4478 05:24:53.479 --> 05:25:00.759 device yes, the Internet of things all over the ranch. There's like digital 4479 05:25:00.279 --> 05:25:07.479 digital like monitors on his on his oxen like butter. That's pretty funny. 4480 05:25:07.840 --> 05:25:14.080 That's a rich vein to tap how he outfits everything with technology. Of course 4481 05:25:14.200 --> 05:25:18.279 he's hilarious. He definitely has a coffee maker that like bruise based on like 4482 05:25:18.360 --> 05:25:22.520 a barcode scanner inside. You know, yeah, definitely does. Oh, 4483 05:25:23.599 --> 05:25:29.360 no doubt for a second he does. He probably has a like that lux 4484 05:25:29.439 --> 05:25:30.919 one what is it called? You know what I mean? Yeah, like 4485 05:25:32.000 --> 05:25:38.159 the cursive lettering. Yeah, yeah, coming to a kitchen near me if 4486 05:25:38.200 --> 05:25:42.159 I have my wife by the way, so uh, I speak from a 4487 05:25:42.240 --> 05:25:48.080 place of of knowledge, William says, to the question about dust eating all 4488 05:25:48.080 --> 05:25:52.319 those burritos, he eats them like Joey Chestnut. He stands over the pile 4489 05:25:52.400 --> 05:25:56.400 and dunks them in big gulp cups of hot sauce and pretty much swallows them 4490 05:25:56.439 --> 05:26:00.520 hole, chewing only occasionally and pausing to remark, who daddy gots them? 4491 05:26:00.560 --> 05:26:06.959 Bubbleguts? Baby? So that's good. I'm glad that's cleared up. Matt 4492 05:26:07.040 --> 05:26:12.240 writes on phobia, mirror phobia shot stays high. I mean, yeah, 4493 05:26:12.400 --> 05:26:17.479 I didn't hesitate to send us the picture on X Did they Nope, they 4494 05:26:17.520 --> 05:26:21.279 did not as they as they should have. I visited the phobia website, 4495 05:26:21.319 --> 05:26:23.000 he writes, as JP was reading from it. Whoever from a faculty that 4496 05:26:23.080 --> 05:26:26.200 allows a man dressed like that into their school should be shot out of a 4497 05:26:26.279 --> 05:26:30.439 cannon and into the sun. Doctor Seawn, No, it's not okay. 4498 05:26:30.880 --> 05:26:34.479 Yeah, No, there needs to be there's some kind of monitoring. Yes, 4499 05:26:34.599 --> 05:26:42.639 there needs to be much stronger monitoring on on characters like this. Brian 4500 05:26:42.720 --> 05:26:45.400 Blake remarks, what, if anything, do people think Bishoff learned from his 4501 05:26:45.479 --> 05:26:48.759 three years in WWE and how did he apply it? Because it's almost eerie 4502 05:26:48.759 --> 05:26:53.639 how his buying WSW plan seems similar to TNH falling on its face with focusing 4503 05:26:53.680 --> 05:26:56.959 on old stars and Hogan supposedly mixing a young work rate at the same time. 4504 05:26:57.200 --> 05:27:00.400 Yeah, that's part of why I think we are so jaundiced, is 4505 05:27:00.479 --> 05:27:04.400 like we saw TNH, like we saw TNA. We saw what it looks 4506 05:27:04.479 --> 05:27:08.080 like when he doesn't have the shackles that he talks about towards the tail end 4507 05:27:08.119 --> 05:27:14.200 of his WCW career, and it was fucking awful yep, because it was 4508 05:27:14.240 --> 05:27:18.279 a complete miss and he had all the assets that he would have. You 4509 05:27:18.360 --> 05:27:22.279 know, try to build a WCW round. It seems like I don't know. 4510 05:27:22.400 --> 05:27:26.319 Man Hockeen Nights CT writes twenty five years after killing or canceled wrestling, 4511 05:27:26.360 --> 05:27:30.680 so T and T could focus on building an identity beyond syndicated TV shows, 4512 05:27:30.959 --> 05:27:34.080 movies, and sports. The channel pretty much broadcasts only those things. Yep, 4513 05:27:34.400 --> 05:27:37.840 yeah, we love drama all right, Yes, indeed do the people 4514 05:27:38.119 --> 05:27:42.520 a little behind the scenes drama. Zach keeps coming with merch suggestions. This 4515 05:27:42.599 --> 05:27:45.880 one's for you, Dicky as well. Over it chopped, we need the 4516 05:27:47.560 --> 05:27:49.560 we don't need the TLF muffler. We're good to stop at fanny packs, 4517 05:27:52.639 --> 05:27:56.720 the dustic election. I don't need chop t's to make TLF jeans with brown 4518 05:27:56.799 --> 05:28:03.720 skid mark stains. Sure, the Dusty collection the Dustin's collection. And he 4519 05:28:03.759 --> 05:28:07.919 says chiropractors are faux doctors in the same way pro wrestlers are faux fighters. 4520 05:28:07.159 --> 05:28:12.279 Very interesting. James writes the manifest Destiny Yeoman Farmer fantasy that Eric lives in 4521 05:28:12.400 --> 05:28:17.040 isn't even sustainable. He's still on this is great. Isn't even sustainable. 4522 05:28:17.159 --> 05:28:19.639 None of these celebrity ranches produce enough money for food to be self sustaining. 4523 05:28:19.720 --> 05:28:22.279 Yeah, that's what I was saying, like, you kind of have to 4524 05:28:22.560 --> 05:28:26.720 you kind of have to not live off the land, to pretend to live 4525 05:28:26.759 --> 05:28:30.119 off the land. That's why he's a fucking you know, he's a Hollywood 4526 05:28:30.840 --> 05:28:36.200 want to be producer, you know, as he's and that that's that that 4527 05:28:36.520 --> 05:28:44.360 that pays for his for his fanciful you know, rural life in the middle 4528 05:28:44.400 --> 05:28:48.479 of nowhere where he can claim that he doesn't you know that he's all the 4529 05:28:48.599 --> 05:28:52.720 high speed internet right exactly right, exactly, the highest fucking speed Internet, 4530 05:28:52.080 --> 05:28:57.560 but the fastest fiber in the land. Listen door talking FiOS times three thousand, 4531 05:28:57.720 --> 05:29:03.959 actly right. He lives out the land to look like he lives out 4532 05:29:03.959 --> 05:29:07.200 the land, not to live off the land. Look at my barn coat 4533 05:29:07.759 --> 05:29:14.880 exactly and my truck again, and everything is smart. That is such a 4534 05:29:14.959 --> 05:29:19.880 crucial detail. Everything he's got ring cameras, he's got video does on his 4535 05:29:21.040 --> 05:29:25.840 own, okay, is like go out and hunt that I can see and 4536 05:29:25.959 --> 05:29:30.439 fish. Yeah, when it when it, when it creates immediate sustenance. 4537 05:29:30.240 --> 05:29:34.119 Great, yeah, right, of course. It was like he's got a 4538 05:29:34.360 --> 05:29:41.560 he's got like so many things hooked up to Alexa. His little microbrew, 4539 05:29:42.840 --> 05:29:48.360 you know, micro crew beer. He's got you know, his butter churn, 4540 05:29:48.759 --> 05:29:52.919 his his power point loaded exactly. He's got a you know, like 4541 05:29:53.080 --> 05:29:59.360 even even like his garden. It's all timed through Alexa to be watered and 4542 05:30:00.360 --> 05:30:11.680 soiled and whatever. It's so funny. This is the funniest thing in the 4543 05:30:11.759 --> 05:30:23.200 world. I don't care what anybody says his forefathers. That's so funny. 4544 05:30:23.279 --> 05:30:34.200 Oh my god, oh shit, Oh so many showers. I know. 4545 05:30:36.119 --> 05:30:38.720 None of these celebrity ranches produce enough money or food to be self sustaining. 4546 05:30:38.880 --> 05:30:42.319 The substance farmer costplay. Like so much of the vapid lifestyle of the rich, 4547 05:30:42.479 --> 05:30:45.919 it's only possible due to an unseen army of underpaid servants. Eric gets 4548 05:30:45.959 --> 05:30:49.639 to stare into the middle distance at magic hour, coffee cup in hand. 4549 05:30:56.520 --> 05:31:00.799 I love how offensive you find it that Eric drinks coffee and at the sunset. 4550 05:31:00.119 --> 05:31:04.759 That's tremendous, Okay, while an army of foreign laborers do the real 4551 05:31:04.840 --> 05:31:11.560 work. Kind of like WCW shit, that's good, good stuff, man, 4552 05:31:15.240 --> 05:31:18.279 Mike, writes Jack in response to the boss imitating Midwestern dad sitting in 4553 05:31:18.319 --> 05:31:22.840 a Steiner recliner telling his kids to shut up. And I say, that's 4554 05:31:22.840 --> 05:31:26.680 as ann arbor as it gets, he says. Mike says, this is 4555 05:31:26.759 --> 05:31:30.080 on the money, signed in an arbor. Right, that's really funny. 4556 05:31:30.159 --> 05:31:34.639 So that's good to know that my pull out of my ass fucking reference point 4557 05:31:34.840 --> 05:31:41.479 resonated. Zach writes, a very important point modern fans have lured and challenged 4558 05:31:41.520 --> 05:31:45.439 all broken down old legends that you aren't shit unless you come back wrestle and 4559 05:31:45.479 --> 05:31:47.799 get a craft a chance. You still got it. If you can't do 4560 05:31:47.959 --> 05:31:49.959 that, then you're the shits and not as important as the legends that will 4561 05:31:51.080 --> 05:31:56.360 go through this exercise. That's right, That's so true. Jeff Wrights, 4562 05:31:59.520 --> 05:32:03.279 how is that Greed episode from that podcast you pay twenty dollars a month to 4563 05:32:03.360 --> 05:32:07.560 listen to? They spent over an hour breaking down Eric Bischoff's ranch life, 4564 05:32:07.599 --> 05:32:14.119 So the best thing I'd listened to that month. John Brinkman, thanks very 4565 05:32:14.200 --> 05:32:17.799 much with the pledge, same to you, im Hen two five to two. 4566 05:32:18.319 --> 05:32:22.159 We deeply appreciate the support. David writes. From my understanding, having 4567 05:32:22.200 --> 05:32:26.520 a scene where a match is on TV like Natural Born Killers is enough to 4568 05:32:26.560 --> 05:32:30.000 qualify for cinemat Is that true, Boss, Well, yeah, that's how 4569 05:32:30.040 --> 05:32:36.400 Natual barn Killers was was eligible because there was wrestling on the screen. He 4570 05:32:36.479 --> 05:32:37.919 says. If that's the case, I hope the co chairs do a deep 4571 05:32:37.959 --> 05:32:42.200 dive on me Familia starring Jennifer Lopez, Edward James, almost Benjamin Bratt, 4572 05:32:42.279 --> 05:32:47.200 Jimmy Smith set all, we'll do it. There's a match on TV about 4573 05:32:47.200 --> 05:32:51.680 an hour and eleven minutes into the movie, The Mexican American Chicano Latino. 4574 05:32:51.680 --> 05:32:53.400 Whatever the fun we're supposed to call our Selsia's days, it would be appreciated, 4575 05:32:55.479 --> 05:32:57.680 the Boss, the gauntlet's been laid down. Me familiar. That's a 4576 05:32:57.720 --> 05:33:02.319 big list, isn't it. Oh, we'll get to it in twenty fifty 4577 05:33:02.360 --> 05:33:07.200 one. Maybe I'll see what's that. I'm wondering what it's a what it's 4578 05:33:07.720 --> 05:33:12.400 about? Polly cautiously says what we're all thinking and part on greed in part 4579 05:33:12.439 --> 05:33:15.759 one, I want lapsed Bischof's Slow Ranch Life. Part two, I want 4580 05:33:15.799 --> 05:33:21.159 to chair at laps Dusty's Thanksgiving dinner. Yeah, that spread sounded fucking amazing, 4581 05:33:21.200 --> 05:33:23.840 and my innersnight is going to be woefully inadequate compared to the description thanks 4582 05:33:25.400 --> 05:33:27.319 so what we're here to do. Ryan Schwartz, thanks for the pledge. 4583 05:33:27.360 --> 05:33:32.279 Welcome to the eptire. My friend Luke writes, Bischof's fictional life actually sounds 4584 05:33:32.319 --> 05:33:36.279 incredible. A lot of that coming in across the transom. Yeah. Justin 4585 05:33:36.319 --> 05:33:37.840 Harmon, thanks for the media pledge. We appreciate it. Martin Zamora, 4586 05:33:37.880 --> 05:33:41.400 thanks for jumping up to the eptire. Same to you, Dorian Brown, 4587 05:33:41.520 --> 05:33:45.000 enjoy under the cinemat. We appreciate your support. Ken Canal, thank you 4588 05:33:45.080 --> 05:33:47.639 very much for the pledge. Same to you, Steve, and same to 4589 05:33:47.720 --> 05:33:51.319 you Rich Molton. Longtime supporter. Andrew Hill, thanks for the meaty pledge. 4590 05:33:51.360 --> 05:33:56.360 Do enjoy. My friend, this is JW. Can you imagine actual 4591 05:33:56.439 --> 05:34:00.880 human investors listening to Bischoff's convoluted words. So, like we read from the 4592 05:34:00.000 --> 05:34:03.840 WW magazine, I like to think the deal was canceled when they saw the 4593 05:34:03.919 --> 05:34:07.159 article in the wrestling magazine. The other conk the only concrete thing in that 4594 05:34:07.200 --> 05:34:11.200 whole interview was mentioning Bill Goldberg and five other wrestlers who had worked for WCWE. 4595 05:34:11.279 --> 05:34:15.560 That was some that was eye opening to read what he was putting out 4596 05:34:15.599 --> 05:34:22.360 there in those those fertile days. All that is really fascinating. John Callahill, 4597 05:34:22.400 --> 05:34:23.880 thank you for the pledge. John Kraft, big time Dick swing and 4598 05:34:25.040 --> 05:34:26.159 write it to the moat tier. We love it. Grek Taylor, thank 4599 05:34:26.200 --> 05:34:30.799 you so much for jumping up to the executive producer tier. Arpi and Polo 4600 05:34:30.919 --> 05:34:34.439 Dog went strong in the paint right up to that fucking moat tier. We 4601 05:34:34.520 --> 05:34:37.799 love it. Hide the Ball in ninety two, thank you so very much. 4602 05:34:37.840 --> 05:34:41.959 In Taylor Hammond just became a three sixteen member, and we thank you 4603 05:34:41.080 --> 05:34:45.639 for that. We mentioned earlier, Nikki writing that the cast was played no 4604 05:34:45.759 --> 05:34:51.520 small part in inspiring We talked about inspiring artwork, we talked about inspiring other 4605 05:34:51.520 --> 05:34:55.560 podcasts. We talked about inspiring music and other beautiful things. And Nick talked 4606 05:34:55.560 --> 05:34:57.639 about how the podcast inspired him to try to unionize his workplace. Remember that 4607 05:34:57.680 --> 05:35:00.880 one boss, I like that. We dropped that and he followed up on 4608 05:35:00.959 --> 05:35:06.639 the tail end here to close this episode out with something that I think puts 4609 05:35:06.639 --> 05:35:08.759 a bow on it nicely. I messaged at the end of the Funk Journey 4610 05:35:08.759 --> 05:35:11.840 that the Funker was inspiring in our fight to unionize our workplace. I'm here 4611 05:35:11.919 --> 05:35:17.279 with the update that we've won our case. With the stat and the words 4612 05:35:17.319 --> 05:35:22.680 of the body. I got my union. I got my union. When 4613 05:35:22.720 --> 05:35:26.200 we sign a contract and the raise kicks in, you bet your ass. 4614 05:35:26.279 --> 05:35:27.880 The co chairmen are going to get a taste. Hey, love it. 4615 05:35:29.159 --> 05:35:32.200 You're in my ass basically the entire time I'm working. So if my pockets 4616 05:35:32.240 --> 05:35:34.479 are going to get fatter than so are yours, I need to dive into 4617 05:35:34.560 --> 05:35:38.919 that moat. And that, my friends, is the way it should be, 4618 05:35:41.439 --> 05:35:45.080 and in that spirit of TLFX and the way it should be. We've 4619 05:35:45.119 --> 05:35:48.119 got one announcement here as we wrap up this summer twenty twenty four Millbag Edition, 4620 05:35:48.799 --> 05:35:56.400 very special tournament is about to kick off. Yes on the feed, 4621 05:35:56.919 --> 05:36:02.119 you've seen laps fan Hall of Fame moments drop in fuego on the feed, 4622 05:36:02.159 --> 05:36:07.040 you've seen TLFX testimonials from so many of our insightful listeners, and you've read 4623 05:36:07.080 --> 05:36:11.319 to heard us read through letters coming here on meal bag shows and other formats. 4624 05:36:11.360 --> 05:36:15.680 You've seen LATS transform access to the catalog. You've seen so many wonderful 4625 05:36:15.720 --> 05:36:21.159 innovations from the best fans in podcasting, and this is one we're really excited 4626 05:36:21.240 --> 05:36:23.599 to bring to you. The time is now. The time is nigh halfway 4627 05:36:23.639 --> 05:36:32.720 through our ten year celebration announcing the TLFX games. Yes King of the Cast, 4628 05:36:33.279 --> 05:36:37.000 Yes, King of the Cast. Put together by listener Russell, who's 4629 05:36:37.040 --> 05:36:45.279 done yeomen's work on all this stuff, is our countdown tournament thirty two in 4630 05:36:45.360 --> 05:36:53.319 the bracket to determine Boss the greatest tlf character of all time. Thirty two 4631 05:36:53.720 --> 05:37:00.040 entrees sixteen matchups really should have like a thousand, but you know, to 4632 05:37:00.159 --> 05:37:03.639 keep it easy, I suppose thirty two is good. I would love to 4633 05:37:03.720 --> 05:37:07.080 hear feedback at the LAPS fan at gmail dot com if anybody is missing from 4634 05:37:07.119 --> 05:37:11.000 this list, if anyone should be taken off of this list, But in 4635 05:37:11.119 --> 05:37:15.439 consultation, here are the thirty two we've decided on and keep it locked to 4636 05:37:15.520 --> 05:37:18.439 our x account. This is all going to take place on X. We're 4637 05:37:18.479 --> 05:37:22.200 going to be posting matchups between lapsed characters and the full bracketing. We're going 4638 05:37:22.240 --> 05:37:27.799 to post perhaps some insights and some thoughts from the the various participants. Maybe 4639 05:37:27.880 --> 05:37:32.240 I don't know Boss, maybe some event center promos to come might need to 4640 05:37:32.279 --> 05:37:34.119 have that yeah about their upcoming opponents. And by the time it's all said 4641 05:37:34.119 --> 05:37:38.360 and done, you will decide which tlf character has entertained you the most over 4642 05:37:38.439 --> 05:37:41.520 the course of ten years, and there's going to be some tough choices. 4643 05:37:41.560 --> 05:37:45.799 You probably already have your candidate in mind right now, but maybe it's it's 4644 05:37:45.840 --> 05:37:48.040 a toss up between two and what if those two face each other in the 4645 05:37:48.080 --> 05:37:51.840 first round, who are you going to pick? That's right. So we'll 4646 05:37:51.880 --> 05:37:56.520 use x's polling function to basically pull the solar system for a finite period of 4647 05:37:56.560 --> 05:38:00.319 time on each of these matchups, and by the time we finished le breting 4648 05:38:00.360 --> 05:38:03.240 TLFX at the end of this year, we will have determined not only are 4649 05:38:03.240 --> 05:38:06.840 these great Hall of Fame moments, but the greatest lapsed character of the past 4650 05:38:06.919 --> 05:38:11.040 decade. And now presenting the bracketing he has an audio form and coming in 4651 05:38:11.119 --> 05:38:15.200 visual form very soon to the lapsed fan's ex account. Are you ready, 4652 05:38:15.240 --> 05:38:23.159 boss, I'm ready. In the first round, the British Bulldog versus Lee 4653 05:38:23.240 --> 05:38:33.240 Marshall, Oh, good lord, good Lord, Sid versus Stu Hart Well, 4654 05:38:33.279 --> 05:38:38.880 I heard Sid isn't going to show up though. Lanny Poffo versus Klondike 4655 05:38:38.959 --> 05:38:45.119 Bill. Some of these are just funny just to read. I mean, 4656 05:38:45.159 --> 05:38:51.479 you just think about it. Kevin Nash versus Fritz von Eric. Ooh, 4657 05:38:52.319 --> 05:39:06.799 that's tough. Andre the Giant versus Bob Coddle Vern versus Harley Wow. Jesse 4658 05:39:07.560 --> 05:39:22.880 versus Oie Wow Jr. Versus Sean Mooney Warrior versus Vader, Kevin von Eric 4659 05:39:25.119 --> 05:39:33.240 versus Terry Funk. Oh, my God, Flair versus Rod tron Guard Wow, 4660 05:39:34.360 --> 05:39:41.400 Dusty versus Jim Hurd. That's a tough one. Jesus Loise, What 4661 05:39:41.560 --> 05:39:47.240 are these folks gonna say in the spirit of the American election this year We've 4662 05:39:47.240 --> 05:39:51.479 seen elections across the world, the UK, France, in this campaign, 4663 05:39:51.680 --> 05:39:56.000 this TLFX campaign, what will they be saying on the hustings to get your 4664 05:39:56.040 --> 05:40:12.279 support? Savage Savage versus lapsed Hogan whoa mega powers collide? That's that's that's 4665 05:40:12.799 --> 05:40:18.599 I mean to think that in the first round one of those two is going 4666 05:40:18.680 --> 05:40:25.520 to be gone. Yep. That's what a good tournament does. Crazy lapsed 4667 05:40:25.639 --> 05:40:41.919 Scott Hall versus lapsed Jimmy Barnett, lapsed Vince versus lapsed Patterson. And finally 4668 05:40:42.720 --> 05:40:49.840 lapsed Lord Alfred Hayes versus lapsed Stone Cold Steve Austin. It's the king of 4669 05:40:49.880 --> 05:40:55.560 the cast. It's TLFX games, and it's coming to an next account and 4670 05:40:55.680 --> 05:41:00.319 a podcast feed near you. Get your ballots ready and look forward and keep 4671 05:41:00.360 --> 05:41:06.159 your ears peeled as well as your eyes for the cases that will be made 4672 05:41:06.200 --> 05:41:10.080 across the spectrum, across the brackening. You know who you think is going 4673 05:41:10.159 --> 05:41:15.400 to win as we read all those names off, But will you feel that 4674 05:41:15.520 --> 05:41:21.840 way as the weeks turn and the winners and losers are decided and people you 4675 05:41:21.919 --> 05:41:26.400 thought would go further? Don't tough decisions to come? But that's, of 4676 05:41:26.479 --> 05:41:32.799 course the way it should be. As we soldier through ten years of lapsed 4677 05:41:32.799 --> 05:41:37.919 We'll see you next time. Announcement. As a t J to Santus production, 4678 05:41:37.360 --> 05:41:40.759 its content is intended for private use only.