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Good morning, friends and friends,
I am Julio Pérez and this is the

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train of life, a radio adventure
along the routes of the heart. I

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want to invite you to travel with
me and dream together in a better world,

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a different world where men and women
of good will can live in peace

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and freedom. The train of life
is a magaxine of good news and hope.

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This is a radio time specially designed
for people like you and like so

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many truth seekers, of the only
truth that can make us truly free come

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Te, I invite you to travel
with us on the safest train of all,

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which will certainly take you to safe
harbour. This is the train of

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life. Well, good morning,
Spain. Bon día, friends and friends,

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from this corner, from the solarium
from Barcelona to all the towns,

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to this mosaic of cultures, from
our wonderful country, this solarium that is

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the Iberian Peninsula, the train of
life, traveling through more than a hundred

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Spanish cities every week. We start
today with a luxury guest sign. Ladies

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and gentlemen, don' t miss
it. Let' s go there,

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ladies and gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen, also all the pilgrims out there everywhere

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look not only on the mobile devices
and on the different Spotify platforms or they

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may be tuning us directly or through
our page. Three or Naput even in

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Jupiter, in Saturn, in Neptune, on the moon may be listening to

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us Martians, the Murtians too.
But Martians too and can connect with us

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directly on the train of life.
And we have a company of friends this

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wonderful morning. We have four fancy
interviews and we' re going to take

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advantage of them very well. Today
we have in our studies the pleasure,

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because I say that since I met
Carlos catar is a man with a very

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peculiar empathy and moreover, he is
a person made to want easily, but

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he is a man who has a
very important experiential experience and he is helping

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many people to solve, since what
we would call a crisis of identity,

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an authentic crisis of identity. We
will talk to Carlos Cataric, who is

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a writer and lecturer in different countries. Now in Spain he' s giving

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lectures. He lives in Canada,
but travels around some parts of the world

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as well. And Carlos is a
writer and lecturer and he' s going

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to talk. It also offers some
workshops on the subject. He will speak

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today regaining my true identity. Who
I am. I, I am what

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others say that I am, I
am what I have imagined, but I

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am not really. I' m
really who I am in its pure essence.

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You know this about the drak queens
who are doing workshops in several Spanish

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cities, including on a terrace.
Regretful that we have to do this,

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because obviously, he is an activist
prolegtbi the mayor and promotes this type of

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workshops, which may be what he
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to teach the children in those workshops. It comes to be this in the

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end clearly, that the children who
go to their workshops get dressed in baby

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baby and in the end think that
if they really are babes, they could

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be babes. And if they'
re babes, they could be babes.

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You tell me if this is a
receipt. No, but well, there

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are things like that, not that
distort human identity. But there is much

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more to say about preserving our essence, our identity or when it has been

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distorted, how, how to work
them, if anyone wants to recover it.

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Well, Carlos can talk a lot
and well about this and we have

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him here this morning on the train
of life. Then we will have our

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psychotherapist Judit Casso or this woman'
s agile verb and look let' s

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talk about a practical issue in families, jealousy between brothers. This is a

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topic, uh, because when one
is only worth, but when the other

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comes, that the previous one tends
to have locks when I don' t

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zeal higher grade and if they are
more brothers, and this sometimes becomes a

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nightmare for parents, how to approach, how to deal with this at different

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ages, jealousy between siblings. Today
the Jewish psychotherapist will guide us, help

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us untangle some unknowns who do not
know how to solve them or focus them

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on the issue of jealousy between brothers. Here, on the train of life

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and my good friend, Dr Luis
Carballosa, doctor in history and also doctor

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in theology, and is na the
doctor who is a man who has been

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my professor of various subjects in Christology
and eschatology, I always remember. But

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also, a man who is often
also with us on the train of life,

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a great teacher of God’ s
word. Let' s talk to

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Dr Caraballosa. The question is Genesis, the Book of the Origins of Humanity,

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because some say that the first eleven
chapters of Genesis are, let'

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s say, somewhat pejorative, that
they are not exactly the beginning of things,

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a subjective way of describing origins in
the way that the most liberal aware

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say, but there are not many
others who say what the text says and

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what is true. And besides,
Moses was a man of exquisite training from

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the time he had. It was
written in forms in synthesis. He was

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a true Moses intellectual of Egyptian culture
and wrote the book of Genesis. Well,

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they wrote five books of the pentatheuch, but the book Genesis is a

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masterpiece of universal literature, as Dr
Carrollos will answer this. It is the

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genesis, or it is a myth, this of the history of genesis,

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of the creation of the human being, the creation of the world, of

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the universe. Or it' s
true. And if it' s true,

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how can we make sure so.
It' s good, so don

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' t miss it. But finally, in the final Sprint there is an

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interview of Digital Protestant with my friend
journalist Daniel Ozca, director of Digital Protestant,

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with yao mallenas already tomorrow is the
coordinator from Spain of the whole Commission

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that is going to travel to Seoul
to the USAN, that world conference,

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the most important in the Christian world
that is held every twelve or fourteen years.

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Since a thousand nine hundred and seventy- four, the Lausan was inaugurated

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by Dr Bill Graham, and it
was an explosive call that changed a couple

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Social paradigms were changing. The Church
had to make a bet a day and

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that made an impulse in the vangilization
of the world to this day. In

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fact, it is the group,
the most growing emerging social group in the

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world today is Christianity, but good
that it is a biblical Christianity, also

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not a simulation of Christianity. But
then we talked about that thing. Conference

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in about twenty minutes already or tomorrow
brings us up to date on that great

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event in Seoul, in the capital
of South Korea, where there will be,

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then, exhibitions, panels, forums, discussions, works from a sociological,

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anthropological, biblical point of view,
of course, theological, and then,

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how to make summaries and how to
bring this down to our national realities.

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And well, it' s going
to be a spectacular conference, about

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five zero representatives from about 120 countries
around the world and among them, and

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I' m also honored to attend, to be summoned to that conference as

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well. But the important thing is
the conference itself. And then, then,

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we' ll keep working. So, don' t waste it this

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morning. We have stuff and good
stuff on the train of life, because

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come with me come on, come
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will come tonight, the dj,
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gentlemen who do not show you the
month towards this close bride preparing with a

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thief in Monche, bandages adie the
day and the hour Samón. There are

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signs that show the messy towards these
cock has prepared me free for my church,

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prepare another hour and return the king
return soon Church prepares and returns hour

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and returns to pocho in a viz
will be seen we will be snatched and

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all, together with the Saints you, your will go towards the beloved euro

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brisrades we will be caught up and
that all, together, like the two

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Saints, his we see to be
loved certain bremamente devir de certa. I

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think you' re a man to
be with the parented father of this little

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crestecite Jesus was preparing a little purple
father or good your church preto king of

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one way and returns rare. My
Church rowing king back, come back ay

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horror mor el gaño ve a no
take to gsino that to walk to her

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coming saw her eat for the wild
groom sea. There' s no homor

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in the middle of the night.
I am sure that to walk his fortune

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when he sheep and all through the
nudium is the good kills Church Breva air

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and will return and return to be
imprisoned or soocris sondo, the Law of

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Traffic and Road Safety has changed,
we change the rules, because the way

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to move has also done so.
That is why now the deadline to recover

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the initial point jump is two years, without committing infringements that involve the loss

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of points. New times, new
rules, Directorate General of Traffic, Minister

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of Interior, Government of Spain,
will see in the ultrasound evidences in this

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effect, indicating that after birth he
may have problems of integration or difficulties in

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exercising professions of responsibility and even situations
in which his physical integrity or his life

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is endangered. But what is it
doctor, you are going to have a

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child. Discrimination against women in society
leads to abuse without justice and ill-

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treatment. Don' t let him. They' re coming in. Act

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with Amnesty or Amnesty International. If
you want to visit our website, the

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train of the life of ladies and
gentlemen. Well, here we are in

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the Magistrales wagon is a headcar.
We' re very close to the locomotive,

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uh, but it' s a
wagon where we welcome very good friends

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to talk about everything. Here we
speak of everything, of all life,

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and of things of life, things, heavenly things, and earthly things.

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Also, of course, we are
not, we are not androids, we

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are human beings, but we have
had an experience with God, with that

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good God who loves us so much
and is a very powerful reality that affects

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our life, mine and also our
guest, Carlos Qatar, that I want

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to present. Carlos is a writer, lecturer and he has lived a very

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unique experience and has become a kind
of coach, a companion of people who

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need the help he himself, at
a given moment, also received to get

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out of an identity crisis. I
would say serious and he got it and

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he tells it to many who find
God' s blessing in that new proposal

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that he will explain to us at
a welcome moment, Charles. Thank you

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very much. Porth Julio Hey,
it' s nice to have you here

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traveling to Europe, seeing at least
once a year. In the last two

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years I have come four times,
four times, to Europe. Yeah,

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yeah, yeah, yeah, sure,' cause you come a long way

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from Canada. No yes, in
Montreal signify today how beautiful Montreallito, for

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look at it and then come to
Europe, well, the great Europe,

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the self- complacent Europe, the
sophistics of Europe, the unbelieved Europe.

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I can give you titles, eh
because, as soon as you know,

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there are in Europe, because we
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and Christian as well and realities that
we will now comment on. But the

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idea of the European Union, which
has been de- Christianized by forced marches

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of what was the cradle of Christianity, in addition to being the cradle of

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democracy, not only Europe, but
Protestant reform. Oliver Corombell and others were

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the driving force behind democracy, which
was then perfected. But really on this

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continent, Christian Jewish culture wants to
erase itself from the social imaginary. They

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interpret it to be blaming, that
it is repressive, that it is this

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pass, that it is a chronicle, that this has already happened to history.

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I don' t know if you
perceive that too by those lares.

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It' s the same thing,
especially in Canada. It' s a

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copy of what' s going on
here. Yeah, well, look,

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I can have some fun. Yeah, yeah, like I meant, let

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' s finish what the psalm says. Two didn' t all come together

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against the Lord and Christ and said
let' s break their ties. Let

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us cut this and remove from the
social imaginary, Judeo Christianity, which has

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been the cause of many evils.
Not that those who don' t understand

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the story well, because they want
to tip it off. It is true

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that a part of true, Christianity. It was a spurious Christianity and but

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that would be another matter. Carlos
tasting a man. Joe you have Carlos

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arenta I just got to the fourth
floor, fourth floor, that or,

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well, I do, yes,
yes, hear forty years, whoever was.

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Uh, then, look, well, I' m telling her to

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be. But I have the marquietus
rooms and then I remember. When I

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was forty, I ate half the
world, I tried to eat it myself

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before they ate my lives. But
Carlos, who is Carlos Catari For our

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listeners, tell us a little bit
about yourself about your personal story. Today

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I could say that I spent a
lot of time looking to find out who

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I was. Today, thank God, I know who I am, but

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I remember those times, because of
the sexual abuse that I lived in childhood,

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because of my father' s rejection, because of my mom, I

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was such a strict woman not knowing
who I was. Feeling little man,

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feeling insufficient, is comparing me all
the time with other men at the same

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time that I lived an addiction to
sex. He' s too young because

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of so much abuse. There'
s a point. Out there, like

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when I was fifteen, where I
think I' m what I feel there,

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what I feel exactly, then I
feel betrayal for this I' m

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gay, because that' s what
I feel, what I feel I defined

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that I lived it bitterly, because
I tried to see whether or not I

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fit into society. I felt like
an extraterrestrial, until, over there,

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about fifteen years old I discover what
the LGBT Plus community is, where they

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tell me yes, here you are
free to wish what you feel, here

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you can belong, here we receive
you with open arms and it was the

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first time that I can finally put
it as a label to my identity.

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I' m gay because, because
this is what I feel and there I

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found a sense of belonging in that
community about fifteen sixteen years. After that,

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when I make my way out of
the closet and tell my family what

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happened to me in childhood and at
the same time I share that I am

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gay. My mom, who was
a pedagogue and she really has a very

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good ability to analyze and make you
analyze. She tells me son and if

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I had never been sexually abused in
childhood, I would be homosexual I understand

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that not all homosexuals were abused and
not all abused so homosexual, but this

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is my case, this was very
frequent. That' s right, yes,

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it' s a lot of experience. It' s not always already.

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Clearly, it is already interesting to
underline. It is. The point

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is, when she asked me this
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m probably the result of what someone
else decided in childhood. Why do I

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say this, because when I lived
the abuse, the abuse was pleasant,

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it wasn' t violent. Then
the abusers sought, through the persuasion of

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the games, to become addicted to
what I felt and then perpetrate the abuse

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to a greater level. But they
make me addicted. Then I understand that

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he enjoyed this and that I was
finally a victim of what they induced me

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to do. There. When she
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would my life be if I'
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many men since I was five years
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t be here, maybe I didn' t like men. And there I

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begin to fight now with this identity
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remember I said good. I don' t want to be gay, I

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want to be straight, which I
thought was the solution. Today I understand

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that this desire to pass from heterosexual
homosexuality was a disaster. It was the

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worst thing I could do, because
I didn' t have any attraction for

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women for men, a woman and
a chair were the same. There was

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nothing there and I wanted to force
myself. So I lived for what I

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felt up to that moment, but
now I struggle with what I feel about

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it, all of this I'
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not Christians, we were Catholics,
not practitioners. We thought more of the

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Dart O soup, of the evolution
of the monkey, the Big Bang.

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That was our belief. And at
this point I have the opportunity to go

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to the movies and watch a movie
that transformed my life. And this film

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of which I was totally ignorant is
the passion of Christ. When I go

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to see, I thought that Jesus, who was passionate about women and was

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a romantic movie, but I had
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was Jesus' passion for his wife, for us, but at that time,

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for me it was one more movie
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that Jesus did what he did to
give me a new life, that he

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gave himself to give me a new
life. No one explained it to me,

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but I understood and I wanted a
new life and I wanted to change

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my life. Soon I start going
to a church and that' s where

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I tell the pastor. Pastor,
I don' t want to feel this

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anymore Before I was a Christian,
I wanted to change. And now what

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do I read what the Bible says? Well, more than that, I

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want to change that I had back
then, not 20 years ago, 20

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years ago there, in that position, I' m struggling to change what

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I feel. Then I lived for
what I feel Now, I fight against

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what I feel. The shepherds said
good to me, Carlos, you have

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to force yourself. You must seek
this to obey the word. He'

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s looking to change. You have
to honor God and I really tried,

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but first of four hundred and fifteen
fifty- six says that the power of

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sin is found in him commandment.
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most sin commandment and I didn'
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told me you have to fight,
you have to ask for more. I

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asked God to change my sexual orientation
I liked men better. It was hell

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and that hell I saw for eleven
years inside the church. I made trapigs

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of change, conversion traps where they
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It was a disaster. All I
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to change, that desire to not
feel good about myself and I couldn'

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t accept myself because of what the
word said, but I couldn' t

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change in spite of my effort and
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There is a moment of breakdown where, after even having a relationship with

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a boy for seven years, we
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this relationship is over and I understand
that I am frustrated. I am

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tired of fighting what I feel and
there I look on the Internet for how

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to be gay Christian, because I
wanted to look for God different and I

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fall at this point where your verse
even the word, so that now the

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word will submit to what I feel. Then I lived for what I felt,

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I fought against what I felt,
and then I twisted the word.

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Because of how I felt. All
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What I felt was what I was
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being in the worst state of sin
addiction to pornography, sexual encounters with man,

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applications to all suicidal depression. There, at that point I have an

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encounter with the Lord and through someone, the Lord tells me that the problem

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of many Christians is that they have
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their Lord. When I understand that, I say wow, I said this

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is the reason for my life disaster. Jesus is my savior, but my

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lord is me and that' s
where I gave up his heart to day

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and I said, Lord You know
I don' t care if you change

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me or not I just want to
keep you becoming my Lord. I did

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not know that until that moment I
had made my desire for change an idol

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and I sought God to change me. I did not seek God for whom

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he was and all the time I
focused on changing. What I did was

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nurture that idol. It was when
I give up the idol, that then

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my life is transformed and there I
finally find out who I really am.

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I discover that I am all that
he says, that I am, that

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I am his son, that I
am loved, that I am forgiven,

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that I am a new creature,
that I have his spirit, that I

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am one with him, that I
am holy righteous, the clean without blemish,

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that I was created according to his
righteousness and holiness of faith that four

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hundred and twenty- four, that
I only have to learn to live,

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not by what I feel, but
by what he says. There is a

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text that allows me to understand this
very clearly, and that is to snow,

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before the fall, they lived by
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the animals and he named the animals. He didn' t argue, but

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when they sin we see how he
says. We didn' t see each

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other naked and cover ourselves. I
was scared and we were scared and we

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hid. I mean, it'
s not what God says now is what

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I perceive, what I feel,
it' s not what you say anymore,

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but my own perception, my own
feeling, it' s what he

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directs me now. And that'
s the way humanity lives. So I

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lived by what I perceived, what
I felt until then I had an encounter

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with God, I give him the
heart of truth, I give him that

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identity based on sensations to take again
the identity that is in the word.

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And today, that' s who
I am. I am all that he

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says that I am a man,
that is, Carlos Qatari Is, he

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recovers his identity, that you understand
that it is your original identity, his

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essence, that it is to be
a man, as he said, a

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man, as God kills, not
exactly in the sense, not he alone

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in a sanctimonious, nor a puritan, nor anything, any man, a

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man that is the gender that is
assigned to you and that you rediscover it

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through the grace of God, because
never better said no, because you discover

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grace. Perhaps your first stage was
a well- intentioned Christianity but based on

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human effort, on the biblical law
of desire, of personal effort, which

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one must cooperate with. One thing
is to cooperate and another thing is to

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impose on you this and that which
then you are repressing the instincts that re

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- emerge from everything not from this
and anything. This fact hears there is

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one interesting thing in what you have
described to many interesting things in your personal

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testimony. We could just talk about
this. But there is, for example,

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this about conversion therapies. I think
it' s a wrong term and

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clear is in fact, now they' re even banning them. They'

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re explicitly forbidden from an imaging therapy
of you not. There' s no

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conversion therapy here. Here is a
person who voluntarily listens to a testimony that

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has a conflict with his identity that
he does not just do it and realizes

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that he does not, that he
does not want, but he does not

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want and that he says listen I
would like and when he hear a testimony

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like yours at best, find a
little pattern of the grace of God,

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that I, grace I identify it
as the catwalk is not when you go

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to an airport of these kilometers and
you carry a maletorro and such and if

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you go around to cabar baldad,
when you arrive to the area of embarkation,

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not because they are of these airports
kilometers or in Miami and you make

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it dead. No. But if
you go on the gangway that takes you

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to the boarding area, you don' t get tired carries all your weight.

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And for me that' s the
grace. It' s God'

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s gateway when you tell him Lord
I can' t, but I want

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you to touch my root, my
essence, because that conversion therapies thing is

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being tempered. Not above all secularism, camper secularism and, above all,

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the VI LGBT is very proactive in
this subject, but even Christians that term

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I have never liked conversion therapies.
It just sounds. Sounds like a casquisian

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to me These conversion therapies are heavy. That is, I wrote an article

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every week in one of our magazines
that are read throughout Latin America, protesting

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digital and writing conversion or doom.
Speaking of conversion, I put three cases

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in the new will of conversions of
different characters. One of them was the

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Ethiopian nuco preaching by the power of
the word that Philip approaches him and was

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reading aloud and telling him what you
read and I don' t understand what

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I read, and Philip explains no
to him and that man experiences something inside

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him. But, well, then
there are two more cases. The theme

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of conversion to Christ is neither homosexual, heterosexual nor Marcia. It does not

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mean anyone, of any personal situation, whatever it may be, can experience

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a conversion, a catharsis from the
root of their being, which is a

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methane, and a change of mentality, and through one comes a kind of

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repentance. You realize you don'
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God for forgiveness and start a new
life. So that' s the conversion.

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But there is no conversion therapy.
That' s a roll and if

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used in something well intentionally with some
Christian group here in Spain. I don

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' t know him, but I
heard him around. It has nothing to

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do with conversion therapies that we'
re talking about. Right. No.

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No, no, no, because
when I talk about trap conversion, it

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' s that sexual conversion that'
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I experienced that kind of therapy in
Venezuela when I lived in Venezuela more than

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eleven years ago and it was really
as much as they said good. Carlos.

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In your case it is evident you
lived abuse, rejection of your father,

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in your mambre, strict, addiction
to pornography, addiction to sex with

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men. This is why she'
s the one who was gay and I

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was saying good. Let' s
just say I agree with you how understanding

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roots changes. What I feel,
what I don' t want is to

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feel this attraction and they called me
good. You have to keep objecting to

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the word. Then we went back
to the same thing. It was self

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- effort, self- effort and
they called me good. Biology. God

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created Adam and Eve, the man, the woman, and I said I

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understand, I understand that I believe
Adam and Eve, but I have no

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attraction for Eve. I don'
t have and I like Adam what I

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do. I mean, I don' t want to feel this. And

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they couldn' t help me in
any way as much as they wanted to

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always stay there and they wanted me
to regret something that I didn' t

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even decide, because I didn'
t decide that I liked men. I

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find I like men. Then what
I discover ended up living and identified me

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in what I feel, but I
didn' t decide then how to regret

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something I didn' t decide.
It was very complex, but very different.

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It was when I understood that God
is what does not believe my change,

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that what he wanted was my heart. When I give her my heart

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and tell her I don' t
care what' s going to happen to

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me anymore, I want to follow
you there. It' s done mateo

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says that twenty- five where it
says whoever wants to keep his life will

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lose it. I had already lost
her so much focus on my life and

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then he says that he who loses
his life because of me will find her.

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It was when I lost my life, I put it aside without caring

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what was going to happen, just
to know him, that then he was

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working with me with my heart and
led me to a new understanding of the

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Gospel, to an understanding of his
forgiveness or an understanding of life, of

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the spirit, of the new nature. And there I realized that what God

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wanted was for me to raise my
mind that I no longer lived for what

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I felt, but for what he
said. But I had to understand what

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he was saying. He really hears
that it is interesting what you count,

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because that other is a totally correct
way from the mobile, Christian and biblical

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run, because it gives us to
understand how the change in the conversion of

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anyone has the identity, that has
or that has a crisis of identity occurs.

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There' s a lot of people
who have to say, not just

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a sexual identity crisis and a personal
identity crisis. He doesn' t even

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know who they are There are people
who have a very diminished sense of their

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inferiority complex, others of superiority,
others who remain a messianic complex, that

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they are believed to be the saviors
of the world. Between us there are

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a few of them as well and
then, obviously, the crisis of identity,

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of affectivity. Not then and when
you start to discover and I think

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the key word is God' s
grace, but really this is wonderful.

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When I arrived through the film The
Passion of Christ, I came in love

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with what he had done for me, unfortunately, within an extremely religious church

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where all the focus is what I
have to do for God. Then it

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is no longer about what God did
for mankind, but what humanity has to

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do for God. That' s
not the good news. That' s

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the good one Those are the good
instructions or the new instructions. What we

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have to do for him to please
him. And there, then, I

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always fall short when I return to
this point of abandonment that I give my

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heart and decide only to focus on
it. Then he follows the lord again

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to reveal to me everything he did
for me. His forgiveness, he carried

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it through for me, the circumcision
of the sinful nature with the Censes two

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eleven did it for me, the
new nature, the then birth. When

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we believed he does it for us, he gives us his nature. So

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now I no longer focus on what
I do, but on what he did.

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And it' s in that freedom
that then I find out who I

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am? I discover a new,
a new truth, a new life that

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was hidden in it. In fact, because we' re talking about sex.

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I didn' t go beyond hehomosexuality, heterosexuality. I passed from desired

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homosexuality to Jesus And once I am
in Jesus and understanding who I am in

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him, it is the year that
the Lord shows me that I have the

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ability to be with a woman,
that I am going to be able to

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give a woman a place and that
for me was a discovery that I did

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not expect, but I have to
say it. Many times I was told

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Carlos, but the original design is
male and female. Man and woman,

436
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I said, but I just can' t make it. I can'

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t and they wanted to take me
to that original design. Today I understand

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that the real original design and I' m going to say it is not

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man and woman. For me,
the original design that broke when Adam was

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about to sin was not heterosexuality.
In fact, it was after sin that

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they joined. The original sign that
breaks is the union between humanity and God.

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So, if we focus on the
original key design, what we need

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to do is to return to the
father in Christ Jesus and let the person

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be guided by the Holy Spirit.
There, the Holy Spirit puts everything in

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order, sexuality, mentality, finance, everything. But then it is not

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a matter of sexuality, but to
return to the father in Christ Jesus and

447
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let spirits see the source, exactly
to the source of our origins of everything

448
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hears. But what you haven'
t said, but it' s very

449
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interesting that people have to know and
that you' re a married man,

450
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well married. I also met you
with the previous visit with your wife,

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that she is now pregnant and has
not only pregnant, if I am not

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pregnant, double two, pregnant and
she is really looked so happy before we

453
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were in the office chatting and of
course all the changes not that she has

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life is a gift and gift on
gift what if she does me because I

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have no longer sought my life.
I was looking for him. Then say

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the word make the lord your delight
and he give to the desires of your

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heart all my life. I focused
on my heart and it went wrong When

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I focused on him I made him
my delight, then he himself took care

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to give me everything my heart desires, but in a heart that was surrendered

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to him. And there today my
wife gave me that really, as I

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say my wife, if it had
been my turn to choose a woman for

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me, I would not have chosen
her, because my imagination would not have

463
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reached that level. She' s
beyond anything I could have imagined. And

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not only that, but now I
get a whole family all at once.

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He gave me two babies, a
girl and a boy who gave the father

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how good they are being born in
September. Thank God it' s good

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to hear about being a father.
I have two children already married and grandchildren,

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but well I remember that covering of
my life, the happiness of having

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children and enjoying them. There is
also there that is medicinal also when you

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have children, when you have any
and I also come from not exactly that

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background, from this crisis, but
from a troubled world. And when you

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recover your essence in God, in
Christ, and when you recover your true

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identity in Christ, because I have
a motto. I want to be like

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Christ, but not because of the
effort I' m going to make No,

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no, I don' t want
to be like I admire Christ.

476
00:42:01.039 --> 00:42:05.800
I like the way he talks,
I like what he teaches, I like

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00:42:05.800 --> 00:42:10.599
his purity, I like his approach
to life, his redemptive plan. But

478
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I follow him but knowing I can' t do it in my strength.

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If it were not for the Holy
Spirit, this would be a total failure.

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But we have joy when we have
loved in Christ, as Fesius says,

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chapter thirteen. We are sealed with
the Holy Spirit and he is our

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helper and like me when every day
I talk to him at any time,

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day, but nights very particularly.
And the Holy Spirit is so rewarding,

484
00:42:38.039 --> 00:42:44.800
so precious. It is hear,
fifty- two years later, Wow,

485
00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:49.960
fifty- two years later, I
am excited to be a child of God

486
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and live near the Father' s
heart. And it' s my passion

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for my wife and my children,
too, that you can. But in

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grace, in grace, totally in
grace, not in human effort. That

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00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:07.960
' s why people ask me,
Carlos tells me, I want to change,

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how you changed. I tell you, because I didn' t change.

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00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:14.239
I tried everything to change. What
I did was die. I died

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to myself and then he transformed me. But in my strength I didn'

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t change. And where you invite
yourself to die, to surrender your heart.

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You remind me of Paul' s
text to the Colossians. If you

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can have risen with Christ, look
at the things above where Christ is sitting

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00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:35.239
the resurrection at the right hand.
The father says because you have died exactly

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and your life is hidden with Christ
in God. I mean, it'

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00:43:39.239 --> 00:43:44.320
s one there that explains us.
That' s where we have the keys

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00:43:44.719 --> 00:43:49.199
to our understanding of what this is
all about. Carlos, inexplicable. I

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see it' s your book,
a book, which is a success,

501
00:43:52.920 --> 00:44:04.360
your shirt, but that makes a
lot of people, but Carlos' s

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00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:06.639
explicable prece to taste a book that
has had a lot of resonance. You

503
00:44:06.679 --> 00:44:09.719
can find it on Amazon' s
platform. Carlos catar Se, I recommend

504
00:44:09.880 --> 00:44:15.000
his testimony, but with a few
scraps of what he is talking about now

505
00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:22.440
very interesting on Amazon platform. They
can acquire it directly anywhere in the world.

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Because inexplicable, because if we look
at it this way, I experienced

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a miracle. But I experienced him
when I stopped forcing myself, when I

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00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:36.159
stopped trying, when I stopped looking
for my own life. And that'

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00:44:36.480 --> 00:44:38.119
s where people tell me Carlos,
but how was the process, what did

510
00:44:38.159 --> 00:44:43.239
you do, and always got them
killed. And dying, as in Christ,

511
00:44:43.679 --> 00:44:45.320
is the only thing that gives us
a true life. Then I tell

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him what I experienced was inexplicable,
but on a biblical basis you need to

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00:44:51.320 --> 00:44:54.840
stop trying, understand what you have
to do, how you have to do

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00:44:54.880 --> 00:44:59.199
and stand aside, die yourself,
renounce him, my lord, from your

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00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:01.119
mind and let him and his word
be, lording you there the fruits of

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00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:07.440
the spirit. The fruitage of the
spirit will manifest only because you are nourishing

517
00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:13.199
the water of truth. The truth
produces that fruit, but you need to

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00:45:13.400 --> 00:45:19.239
stop arguing with God with your way
of thinking, You need to give up

519
00:45:19.239 --> 00:45:22.760
that, Lord, and only and
you will see transformation, because the truth

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00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:24.320
makes us free, but we need
to know it. We need to really

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00:45:24.440 --> 00:45:30.679
not intimidate with the word, because, for example, you are already evident.

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00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:38.519
Twenty years have passed with struggles it
also gives to get your affirmation in

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00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:44.039
God, also discovering the grace of
God as the great resource. No,

524
00:45:44.239 --> 00:45:49.239
because, of course, in the
Christian world there are sections of the Christian

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00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:52.519
world that interpret the Christian life and
this is true that we must cooperate,

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00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:55.280
we must obey. Obey er is
an act of the will and you are

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00:45:55.400 --> 00:46:02.599
not a total passivity. But I
hope he' s religious legalism that you

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00:46:02.599 --> 00:46:06.880
do this, do the other thing
to be a good Christian. And I

529
00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:09.000
' m not saying that you don' t have to do what you have

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00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:17.199
to do, but you do as
if that gave us points to be super

531
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Christians, better Christians or to get
out of a personal situation. There is

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00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:25.599
a lot of days, because I
know that the Lord is going to break

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00:46:25.719 --> 00:46:32.880
my chains and so and so all
that kind of things interpreted like that without

534
00:46:34.079 --> 00:46:38.320
realizing a kind of religious legalism in
evangelical version. In this case we no

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00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:45.000
longer speak in other confessional versions,
as the problem is still there. In

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00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:50.320
fact, I believe that what most
bound me to sin in those eleven years

537
00:46:50.360 --> 00:46:52.239
within the church, because it was
from twenty to thirty- one, almost

538
00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:58.119
thirty- two, was the religiosity, the true monster, the true monkey,

539
00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:00.039
because they said that this is a
spirit, that this is power.

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00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:06.000
Do not look at the true devil, great power is called religiosity. It

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00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:09.559
was having misunderstood the word that kept
sin bound for so long. I didn

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00:47:09.639 --> 00:47:13.800
' t understand forgiveness. I thought
I always had to say Lord Forgive me,

543
00:47:14.239 --> 00:47:16.440
Forgive me, Forgive me, until
I expected that I had not understood

544
00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:19.119
that he had forgiven me, I
had not understood what had paid him the

545
00:47:19.119 --> 00:47:21.960
bill. I didn' t realize
he looked clean on me. Then I

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00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:24.480
always looked dirty, always saw myself
in my sins in my world. Then

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00:47:24.559 --> 00:47:30.559
I looked at the Cross hoping that
that suffering would make me like to come

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00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:35.239
to my senses and stop sinning without
understanding that there is a word that the

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Lord Jesus uses when he speaks to
Paul in fact twenty- seven eighteen and

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says to him that I call you
to receive the forgiveness of sin by faith

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in my inheritance with the saints.
The word that Paul uses there for or

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that Lord Jesus uses there for forgiveness
is affesis afesis in Greek, means forgiven,

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leaving them as if they had never
done so when I read that And

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00:47:54.679 --> 00:47:57.239
I no longer argue with God,
but he is my lord I said,

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Lord you are telling me that you
see me with if I never lived what

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00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:02.079
I lived, not why I did
not live it, but because you took

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00:48:02.119 --> 00:48:06.519
it from now on. Lord I' m going to see how you see

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00:48:06.519 --> 00:48:10.000
me, I' m going to
look clean holy just with a nonexistent past

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00:48:10.119 --> 00:48:15.119
before your eyes. The enemy will
always want to travel through what we did,

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00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:17.039
and I will always want to travel
through what he did to us.

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It depends where we put the mind
how interesting. Ladies and gentlemen, especially

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00:48:22.719 --> 00:48:30.440
many good ones. Anyone who is
listening to us, be not believers of

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00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:35.719
any denomination or be non- believers, but there is a key there are

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00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:40.880
people who are not necessarily believers of
anything, but have conflicts with the subject

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00:48:40.920 --> 00:48:45.320
of their identity because they think they
hear ah clear in schools, today you

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00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:49.679
say when to the first of change, when in evolutionary psychology it is not

567
00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:51.960
that we have training in this.
Well, there are crises, transitions,

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00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:55.360
not the crises of change that you
don' t really know or what it

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is. Because good. That'
s why sometimes children or kids go or

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00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:04.679
masturbate each other or do things because
to have the sexual impulse, to have

571
00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:08.239
satisfaction and such and you don'
t know even if you' re nothing

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00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:13.800
at all is just immediate gratification,
not what experience, that experience of sexual

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drive And that if you do this
with such a weight, with a woman,

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with a man, you' re
that And stigma doesn' t then

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00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:23.840
internalize that lie And it' s
the power of lying. It is the

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00:49:23.880 --> 00:49:29.599
power of innerized lies that occur within
us, well, within those who live

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00:49:29.679 --> 00:49:38.280
it. So, a psychosomatic transformation. Even this is the I have proven

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00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:45.039
it in many cases in biblical counseling
and when we have gently untangled that in

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00:49:45.159 --> 00:49:50.440
a conversation, not in compassion therapies, but in a dialogue, because the

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00:49:50.559 --> 00:49:53.199
person has wanted and more has already
asked. Listen please and you' re

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00:49:53.199 --> 00:49:58.519
free. Help me. I have
a conflict. I' m what I

582
00:49:58.599 --> 00:50:02.639
really don' t want to be, but I think Italico and some of

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00:50:04.679 --> 00:50:07.079
them, then, have rediscovered their
true identity. Others have not wanted and

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00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:10.559
nothing, for God helps them in
the way of life, but each one

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00:50:10.880 --> 00:50:15.599
chooses what he wants to be.
You understand and I respect and defend the

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00:50:15.679 --> 00:50:19.880
freedom that someone who has not known
the Lord has to say I feel like

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00:50:19.880 --> 00:50:22.840
that. So I am what other
choice he has If the Lord does not

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00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:27.840
know that is what he feels,
but now I also defend the freedom of

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00:50:27.920 --> 00:50:30.039
him who within the Church, fights
with what he feels and does not want

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00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:32.519
to be what he feels. That
person also has freedom and live a different

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00:50:32.599 --> 00:50:35.760
life. You don' t have
to align with what you feel in a

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while, because give in to this. Then, when one understands that there

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00:50:38.239 --> 00:50:42.760
is a freedom, that there is
a reality, an identity superior to sensations,

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that is life in the spirit,
that you need only believe the truth

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00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:50.719
and you will see how sensations and
everything aligns with the truth, that person

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00:50:50.800 --> 00:50:55.440
gets freedom. Then he who has
freedom to live as he pleases, who

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00:50:55.559 --> 00:50:59.920
defends it, but who also defends
him who is not content with what he

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00:50:59.920 --> 00:51:02.920
does, people, I want to
live differently. Gentlemen, we are talking

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00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:08.320
to Carlos Catari that well, besides
writer, his great inexplicable book, which

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is I recommend in any case that
you can acquire it on the Amazon platform

601
00:51:13.599 --> 00:51:20.840
and you will enjoy it very much. And well, we' ll be

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00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:23.880
a few more minutes, but right
away, let' s hear a song

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00:51:24.039 --> 00:51:27.719
from our remembered and beloved Julio Melgar. I am no longer a slave to

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00:51:27.800 --> 00:51:30.960
fear, for fear is one of
the non- paralyzing things. I lived

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00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:35.119
it for a long time until I
understood that my mom, until I understood

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00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:37.880
that she was a son. Let' s listen to this beautiful song and

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00:51:37.920 --> 00:51:43.159
we already commented on a series of
issues, workshops, etcetera in the final

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00:51:43.159 --> 00:52:00.559
sprint. Amen I am with a
song of everything sings yes ner in fear.

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00:52:09.239 --> 00:52:32.800
I am not, I am a
son of God, I am of

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00:52:32.800 --> 00:53:07.480
God. The belly is my love
yes I received in you your saint my

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00:53:08.079 --> 00:53:32.639
own I am no longer exclaimer,
I am children. I' m God

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00:53:35.000 --> 00:53:45.159
' s son, I' m
not anymore. Eclade demodo, I am

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00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:59.559
the son of God. I'
m not a scra anymore I' m

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00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:34.760
a son. That' s rolly
for the parent grapples or for songs.

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00:54:37.159 --> 00:55:15.079
Li Verde we were led dora we
are as you sing mother, oh me

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o o o o o o o
o o o o o o o o

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00:56:12.800 --> 00:56:32.880
o o o o o o o
o o o o o o o o

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00:56:32.880 --> 00:56:32.880
o o o o o o o
o I am not a son to you

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00:56:32.880 --> 00:56:35.880
are you dress mother and I am
a son of God. To your gras

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or son. You don' t
know or I just know I' m

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his son. It' s my
mother and my father loves me I just

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know I' m his son?
Well is my father, my father,

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my sister? I just him that
I' m his son and he'

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s my father and my father?
I' m gonna be, that I

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' m his son, and he' s my father' s and my

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father' s? I' m
his son and he' s my father,

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my father, my hmay or?
If we keep going after listening here

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to Julio Melgar, freed from fear, I am not a slave, because

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fear really paralyzes us. Eh puts
us in a prison and you dwell all

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the fear of man, the fear
that we and when we do not know

631
00:58:24.920 --> 00:58:29.360
well goodbye we have a fear that
is not healthy. Nor do we,

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00:58:29.760 --> 00:58:32.519
when we have my novel we didn' t get near that mine had passed

633
00:58:32.519 --> 00:58:39.039
me. How many fears we are
surrounded by fears of all kinds, eh

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and who bad. I, when
I received the liberation from the fear of

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the complexes, which had a lot
and dwells you well, dwells you to

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live, dwells you to die,
dwells you to the people and how many

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fears we do not follow with the
theme of Carlos Catari inexplicable and it is

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precisely that two Sundays to the friends
of the Barcelona Area that can enjoy it.

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But then we' ll talk about
there' s also an open course

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online for everyone who wants to follow
up with your instructions. And all you

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put forward in that workshop is a
training workshop for pastors, leaders and evangelists

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who in an appropriate way and I
think really not only biblical, but intelligent

643
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and kind and affectionate, because I
told you before. I' ve lived

644
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very closely. I have good gay
friends today, some are believers and some

645
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are not, but I maintain a
very exquisite relationship. The truth is,

646
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because to me they' re people
like everyone else, exactly, I mean,

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honestly, no more of a homosexual
than a heterosexual. This is,

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this is, this is some kind
of stigma. We' re all sinners.

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I have a sentence. I say
no homosexual will ever enter the Kingdom

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of God and no heterosexual either enter
into the Kingdom of Today new creatures because

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they were accepted, because they accepted
and pardoned God for their sin. That

652
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' s what gives access to heaven. It' s not sexuality. Yes,

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and I told you that of my
friends or I remember a couple of

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them that sometimes even as with them
and we talked, they are very affectionate,

655
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they are very affectionate, they are
very empathy, very very very and

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some of them, because it is
in that crisis. Or we' ve

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talked about whatever they want. Not
here is nothing forced on anyone or rolls

658
01:00:39.760 --> 01:00:45.360
of these therapies. It just seems
to me that word is totally inappropriate and,

659
01:00:46.239 --> 01:00:51.360
besides, I don' t like
it. It seems to me,

660
01:00:51.840 --> 01:00:55.719
it' s kind of a way
of manipulating someone to see if a therapy

661
01:00:55.840 --> 01:01:01.000
makes it something else. No,
that' s just jesus that makes us

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who we have to be. And
it is holy spirit that gives the true

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condition or righteousness. Yeah, so
let' s use that term correctly.

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So I, I can talk and
enjoy and we tell each other things about

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01:01:13.880 --> 01:01:17.000
career life, about work and by
someone says good, but this is that

666
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you have to get away. Not
the other way around, it' s

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just that I think it' s
a mistake to either anatemize people, not

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01:01:28.119 --> 01:01:31.599
because of their sexual identity, because
it feels like one who can' t

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get close to someone. I think
there are mistakes that we have to rule

670
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them out of our lives. And
I' m telling you, especially the

671
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parents. When a son announces you, especially to Christian parents, he announces

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that he is homosexual or that he
has an attraction for men or a girl

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01:01:44.639 --> 01:01:49.599
for women. The tragedy is not
that he announces that he has that attraction.

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The tragedy is that he is placing
his identity in what he feels and

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not in the word. So,
when you understand that that way, you

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realize that your son may have been
born in the Church, but it doesn

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01:02:00.079 --> 01:02:01.519
' t mean that he was born
a Christian. He needs an encounter,

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01:02:01.719 --> 01:02:06.119
and only an encounter with God,
which will propel him to surrender every identity

679
01:02:06.480 --> 01:02:09.800
to divide into the real identity of
the word. So, when we understand

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this that way, we know that
the problem is not sexual, but that

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' s where you put the focus. That is, that is Jesus,

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when Jesus remembers, when Jesus begins
his public ministry. But besides, there

683
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are so many scriptures that speak of
this, of the mouth of Jesus and

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of the apostles. The time has
come to pass, the Kingdom of God,

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has approached repentantly and believe in the
Gospel to the whole world, to

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the whole world and I told you
when Jesus said that they judged him because

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he was a friend of tax collectors
and sinners, of course what is the

688
01:02:49.239 --> 01:02:57.840
stratified society of that time and another
model, another social paradigm, of course,

689
01:02:58.079 --> 01:03:01.039
they judged him because he was comuloni
to see, because he ate publicans,

690
01:03:01.280 --> 01:03:07.880
that they were the discarded, the
collaborators with the Roman invader and that

691
01:03:07.960 --> 01:03:12.960
were therefore, hated by the good
ones in Chchens looks very well the image

692
01:03:13.039 --> 01:03:15.880
of mateo that interprets it very well, not anymore in the form of asper

693
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that it was also, it is
curiously, but it is very well done.

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This series isn' t very pretty. But really, when Jesus I

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have said, meets publicans and sinners, sinners, we are all, after

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all, all. But it was, like a scornful word, with the

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class, with the marginalized in society, the whores, the prostitutes, and

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but there were the feminized, the
whores, not feminized, the whores,

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01:03:45.880 --> 01:03:54.199
the eunuchs and the ephebes who were
marginalized also and were considered sinners. And

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Jesus among the sinners of all those
who were socially marginalized, Jesus was with

701
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them exactly and how Jesus was.
With a bad face he was saying getting

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01:04:09.400 --> 01:04:13.480
in the sun. Jesus loved them
all, loved anyone who approached him,

703
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but Jesus loved them with a beautiful
look, with a sword. He preached

704
01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:21.719
to him the Kingdom of God,
the Kingdom the word of the Kingdom.

705
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His word was the one that pierced
the hearts exactly and it was the one

706
01:04:28.079 --> 01:04:34.800
that touched my soul to the depths
and I realized my moral state. No,

707
01:04:35.679 --> 01:04:40.159
and I, on my own initiative, saw myself in a mirror and

708
01:04:40.280 --> 01:04:43.800
said I' m dirty. I
need you to clean me up. Only

709
01:04:43.920 --> 01:04:46.440
you can do it. And so
it happened. And that' s where

710
01:04:46.440 --> 01:04:49.079
we have to bring people, that
is, an encounter with him, his

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01:04:49.199 --> 01:04:54.840
presence, his love. Then the
person because of feeling more committed that you

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01:04:54.920 --> 01:04:59.679
need a clear encounter. Therefore,
notice inexplicable formation for pastors, li leaders

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01:04:59.840 --> 01:05:05.039
and evangelists and also presentation of your
book. Inexplicable that there is a lot

714
01:05:05.159 --> 01:05:09.880
of raw material that can be here
also on Amazon and on the screen.

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01:05:10.000 --> 01:05:14.800
Those who are on Facebook like are
now able to see it. It will

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01:05:14.960 --> 01:05:17.800
be this Sunday 23rd of June,
here in Barcelona, at seven o'

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01:05:17.800 --> 01:05:25.719
clock in the afternoon, but to
reserve the square and know as who is

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01:05:26.320 --> 01:05:30.519
interested, that in this case they
are pastors, front- line leaders,

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01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:38.559
elders or pastors people who are some
psychologists who want to collaborate in this to

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01:05:38.599 --> 01:05:44.480
help evangelists, people who also have
relations with many people, even leaders of

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01:05:44.559 --> 01:05:50.280
group formation groups, since they can
be this Sunday 23rd of June at seven

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01:05:50.360 --> 01:05:55.400
o' clock in Barcelona, in
the center of Barcelona, precisely, but

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01:05:56.079 --> 01:06:01.119
to make the square book, they
have to call six fifty- eight pardons,

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01:06:02.599 --> 01:06:08.119
not rectific. Six hundred and fifty- two, seventy- eight,

725
01:06:08.280 --> 01:06:12.599
seventy- eight, seventy- six. You mean take note of whatsapp to

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01:06:13.480 --> 01:06:16.360
send an audio, send a message. Six hundred fifty- two, seventy

727
01:06:16.719 --> 01:06:20.519
- eight, seventy- eight seventy- six. There you go. I

728
01:06:20.599 --> 01:06:26.719
am such a guy, I am
of this Church, of this Christian collective

729
01:06:26.760 --> 01:06:35.000
and I want to represent this and
I want to be with Carlos and receive

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01:06:35.920 --> 01:06:38.480
that workshop that time, from seven
o' clock in the afternoon. I

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guess until later, if there wasn' t going to be a question space,

732
01:06:42.079 --> 01:06:45.480
that' s the best part about
the question and answers from the channel,

733
01:06:45.719 --> 01:06:49.559
we took about two hours, two
hours to total, because there we

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expose everything, because remember workshop for
all those interested in this topic. Pastors

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01:06:57.480 --> 01:07:03.239
of front- line leaders to counselors, trainers, leaders, groups, evangelists,

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psychologists, Christians who want to reserve
their place through the Whatsapp. Six

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01:07:10.719 --> 01:07:14.000
hundred and fifty- two, seventy- eight, seventy- eight, seventy

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01:07:14.599 --> 01:07:18.639
- six have to say who they
are, where they come from and they

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are evident to be that type,
for that is for exact informants. It

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' s not a thing for everyone, because it' s not the case.

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01:07:25.920 --> 01:07:30.119
It is for those who can also
note that they need tools. Saying

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01:07:30.159 --> 01:07:34.840
hears exactly. People need help and
ask us and we want to evangelize how

743
01:07:34.840 --> 01:07:39.159
to connect, how to help the
one within the Church by fighting as what

744
01:07:39.199 --> 01:07:42.280
position to take before the one who
twists the word, how to speak again

745
01:07:42.280 --> 01:07:45.719
about all that we will be talking
about and that same thing online. Now

746
01:07:45.760 --> 01:07:47.039
you' re going to start an
online course. No yes, in fact,

747
01:07:47.679 --> 01:07:51.320
what is going to be on Sunday
is two hours, but there is

748
01:07:51.400 --> 01:07:55.880
an online training that you just launched
yesterday, after months of work, of

749
01:07:55.880 --> 01:07:58.920
editing, of videos, of editing, and it is a formation of ten

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01:07:59.119 --> 01:08:02.519
hours, almost eleven hours, where
I expose everything. There I speak of

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01:08:02.679 --> 01:08:08.320
sexuality, the new sexuality in the
spirit, when the renewal of the mind,

752
01:08:08.960 --> 01:08:12.760
evangelization, examples of evangelization have finally
been believed. What to do when

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01:08:12.800 --> 01:08:15.680
they tell you this, what to
ask, what to answer, how to

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01:08:15.720 --> 01:08:20.760
discern the person' s position to
see how to speak, how to be

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01:08:20.760 --> 01:08:24.119
effective in advice for leaders. What
to do if this interview good, there

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01:08:24.159 --> 01:08:27.680
I give all advice for parents.
There I saw everything I had, which

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01:08:28.199 --> 01:08:30.520
is a formation I have been giving
over the last two years to more than

758
01:08:30.840 --> 01:08:34.119
three zero leaders already at the level
of different countries. Compilet in this training

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01:08:34.640 --> 01:08:41.800
is available online on the hotmart platform
Looking for inexplicable training. Carlos cathari Or

760
01:08:42.119 --> 01:08:46.439
in my Instagram account Cathric Carlos a
pardon, arroba catari Carlos there is in

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01:08:46.479 --> 01:08:50.479
the biography. I' ll also
apply it on Facebook. Yes and you

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01:08:50.520 --> 01:08:55.680
loved that in all these years,
more than fourteen zero people, more than

763
01:08:55.720 --> 01:08:59.800
fourteen zero people have written to me
in private asking for help, telling me

764
01:09:00.119 --> 01:09:01.640
Carlos, I am in the same
position that you were in. I fight

765
01:09:01.680 --> 01:09:03.920
with these attraction I don' t
want them and I don' t know

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01:09:03.920 --> 01:09:06.960
what to do. I' m
looking to change, I can' t

767
01:09:06.960 --> 01:09:09.600
look to accept myself either what I
do. And for that reason if you

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01:09:09.720 --> 01:09:11.279
' re going to do training,
because I' m not going to do

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enough. And on the other hand, there is an etziporus also that I

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01:09:13.840 --> 01:09:16.680
like very much, which is that
to date, more than 300 people I

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01:09:16.760 --> 01:09:20.840
have testimony, more than three hundred
twenty people who have experienced a transformation in

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01:09:20.840 --> 01:09:26.359
their sexual orientation. Because of abandoning
the idol and believing the truth is that

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01:09:26.520 --> 01:09:30.680
it is infallible. If it is
taken as it should be taken and understood

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01:09:30.720 --> 01:09:36.119
and assimilated and internalized as the word
teaches us, the effect is a total

775
01:09:36.279 --> 01:09:41.479
supernatural effect. My Roman life eight
or six. I think it says so.

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The mind set on the flesh is
death. The mind placed in the

777
01:09:44.359 --> 01:09:46.000
spirit is life and life. And
the problem is not the flesh is neither

778
01:09:46.079 --> 01:09:49.479
is the spirit where you put the. Mind. There' s the key.

779
01:09:50.399 --> 01:09:54.600
Yeah, that' s interesting,
listen, Carlos, how many things.

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01:09:56.199 --> 01:10:00.520
I imagine that all these years and
why you could have said well,

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01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:03.399
I have come out of this life
that I realized was not my true identity.

782
01:10:06.560 --> 01:10:11.439
I felt concerned when I heard the
word. I had a problem.

783
01:10:11.680 --> 01:10:15.720
I realized that also through religion,
I could not discover the grace of God.

784
01:10:16.760 --> 01:10:19.439
That' s what he comes to
say. And now I live in

785
01:10:19.479 --> 01:10:24.359
the new life. I even found
a woman I loved and loved and now

786
01:10:24.479 --> 01:10:29.760
we' re getting married, but
we have family and I live my life

787
01:10:29.880 --> 01:10:31.760
in peace. And this and that, why you want to help people,

788
01:10:32.079 --> 01:10:39.319
because I understand what many are living. I spent years looking for help,

789
01:10:40.439 --> 01:10:44.439
looking for testimony and looking for a
lot and finding where I said good.

790
01:10:44.479 --> 01:10:45.880
I used to be gay and now
I' m straight. Glory to God

791
01:10:45.960 --> 01:10:48.359
and I said so. But what
do you do with temptation, what do

792
01:10:48.439 --> 01:10:50.920
you do with what you feel,
what do you do with thoughts, with

793
01:10:51.000 --> 01:10:57.000
memories, what do you do when
the sensations invade you, what do you

794
01:10:57.039 --> 01:11:00.319
do with this because it says the
word that I wanted more and found nothing

795
01:11:00.319 --> 01:11:02.399
trap It was based on effort.
And when I had my encounter with God

796
01:11:02.479 --> 01:11:06.319
that he transforms me, he himself
tells me now I' m going to

797
01:11:06.359 --> 01:11:10.600
tell everyone what God did for you
And well, here they have happened,

798
01:11:10.960 --> 01:11:14.119
already, here I go is how
the win- win doesn' t believe

799
01:11:14.119 --> 01:11:17.279
him. Jesus makes a miraculous transformation, but miraculous is the unexplained transformation.

800
01:11:17.399 --> 01:11:24.520
It is explicable, yes, and
it said humanely for intellectuals. Unexplainable,

801
01:11:24.760 --> 01:11:29.119
exact because it has no human explanation, but explainable from the point of view

802
01:11:29.159 --> 01:11:33.439
of living faith in God and of
course, someone wanted to be with baby

803
01:11:33.479 --> 01:11:39.000
jeufe to yours, to Hecapolis and
tell them all about all these great things

804
01:11:39.119 --> 01:11:46.079
that the Lord has done with you, but I have a question. The

805
01:11:46.199 --> 01:11:51.399
language and this maybe you' ll
agree with me. I believe that evangelical

806
01:11:51.560 --> 01:11:58.199
believers in general, there are many
people who know how to have the right

807
01:11:58.279 --> 01:12:02.840
attitude and language, no, but
I think we have h but others unconsciously

808
01:12:03.039 --> 01:12:10.039
do not want to be jealous to
say hey I go if it is the

809
01:12:10.119 --> 01:12:14.760
issue of homosexuality or transsexuality, that
that is already another problem that we cannot

810
01:12:14.840 --> 01:12:16.279
address, that this one does have
friend. We have already said something about

811
01:12:16.800 --> 01:12:27.119
slant, but I really believe that
we believers must speak in a good way

812
01:12:27.239 --> 01:12:33.720
of these things totally. We should
not unconsciously be jealous or angry, because

813
01:12:33.880 --> 01:12:42.000
there are manipulations of the public authorities
and of the total lob to implant,

814
01:12:42.600 --> 01:12:45.760
colonize this, this was, we
are not fools, come on, that

815
01:12:45.840 --> 01:12:50.000
looks, but shamelessly. But our
answer has to be, in addition to

816
01:12:50.000 --> 01:12:54.439
intelligent, kind and correct. It
does not have to be violent or aggressive,

817
01:12:54.680 --> 01:12:58.760
because it is not appropriate for us
to be taken to prison for persecution

818
01:12:58.760 --> 01:13:00.319
against the Gospel, but not because
we do not know exactly. Yes,

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01:13:00.359 --> 01:13:05.800
sir, well said. I think
we need to be careful about that and

820
01:13:06.000 --> 01:13:10.600
talk about how we talked here.
It' s not that they' re

821
01:13:10.720 --> 01:13:14.199
incompromising to put their convictions into it. It means this is like when you

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01:13:14.520 --> 01:13:20.079
say I am inoffensible, because before
anything tasted bad to me, I was

823
01:13:20.279 --> 01:13:26.199
very susceptible to being angry. No, but Jesus has also been generating in

824
01:13:26.319 --> 01:13:32.119
my heart an unspeakable spirit for and
that is a symptom of love. Love

825
01:13:32.159 --> 01:13:39.159
makes you inoffensible because you see people
with other eyes and love people in general.

826
01:13:41.439 --> 01:13:45.920
It is Jesus in us that we
have received God' s love for

827
01:13:46.039 --> 01:13:49.880
the spirit that has been poured into
our hearts. And that love is an

828
01:13:50.079 --> 01:13:54.479
unstoppable force. Look at that.
I' ll tell you. Fifty-

829
01:13:54.640 --> 01:13:59.359
two years later, I feel more
excited and look that my conversion was a

830
01:14:00.039 --> 01:14:04.880
total fury, It was in my
context of an army of people who came

831
01:14:05.000 --> 01:14:12.239
to Mr After, friends, family
and well, well, a lot of

832
01:14:12.239 --> 01:14:16.439
people. The thing is, the
emotion of living Jesus, of living in

833
01:14:16.479 --> 01:14:23.279
his grace. But when we address
any issue like this, let' s

834
01:14:23.399 --> 01:14:29.039
be as careful as we need to
be and which and we can talk about

835
01:14:29.039 --> 01:14:30.000
what we need to talk about.
Nothing else would be missing yet. Democracy

836
01:14:30.079 --> 01:14:34.359
is in place, but let us
be respectful and correct. Yet, and,

837
01:14:34.960 --> 01:14:39.279
if I may, many people with
this subject speak of sin, sin,

838
01:14:39.479 --> 01:14:43.640
when the true good news is what
Jesus did with sin. That is

839
01:14:43.720 --> 01:14:46.319
where we need to focus on that
message of reconciliation. God was in Christ

840
01:14:46.439 --> 01:14:50.560
reconciling the world to himself, not
taking into account men' s sins.

841
01:14:50.600 --> 01:14:54.159
It' s a very strong message. It would look like super grace,

842
01:14:54.319 --> 01:14:57.600
but the truth is that grace always
leads to transformation. Yes, yes,

843
01:14:57.720 --> 01:15:01.560
it is, friend, because Carlos
taste and remember this for the last time

844
01:15:01.640 --> 01:15:06.680
to everyone who wants to take advantage
of this workshop in Barcelona, the presentation

845
01:15:06.720 --> 01:15:11.439
not only of his book, but
of this workshop of questions and answers about

846
01:15:12.239 --> 01:15:16.319
the topic, a session of a
couple of hours this 23rd of June Sunday

847
01:15:16.399 --> 01:15:20.680
in the city of Barcelona. Take
advantage of those we have at carlos around

848
01:15:20.800 --> 01:15:29.640
here at 19 hours for pastors,
front- line leaders, evangelists, counselors,

849
01:15:30.079 --> 01:15:34.199
psychologists who also want to talk about
this, with this tone and with

850
01:15:34.880 --> 01:15:41.800
this tarannat as Christian as there is. And then, for that they have

851
01:15:41.880 --> 01:15:47.520
to write to reserve place, clearly
identify who they are, where they come

852
01:15:47.640 --> 01:15:53.520
from and so on. To the
Waxat at six hundred fifty- two,

853
01:15:53.680 --> 01:15:59.159
seventy- eight seventy- eight seventy- six, I repeat the Waxapp six

854
01:15:59.239 --> 01:16:02.039
hundred fifty- two, seventy-
two and eight hundred seventy- eight seventy

855
01:16:02.199 --> 01:16:05.720
- six in the city of Barcelona. In the same city. There you

856
01:16:05.800 --> 01:16:09.800
will have this Sunday 23rd of June, at 7 pm, this meeting,

857
01:16:10.239 --> 01:16:15.479
this mini workshop, this with talk
colloquium and the inexplicable book, which can

858
01:16:15.600 --> 01:16:20.840
also be acquired by any of you
through the Amazon platform. Carlos. Thank

859
01:16:20.840 --> 01:16:24.560
you, infinite, uh, thank
you, thank you, thank you for

860
01:16:24.640 --> 01:16:28.880
inviting yourself from opportunity and truth,
that I am very happy already the other

861
01:16:28.960 --> 01:16:36.000
times that we have spoken and always, for it really is your naturalness,

862
01:16:38.399 --> 01:16:43.520
your authenticity, no and I say
it sincerely and your commitment, because also

863
01:16:43.640 --> 01:16:46.359
with the desire to help people who
have the one who says no, I

864
01:16:46.439 --> 01:16:48.560
feel well like this and so.
Okay. Well, it' s your

865
01:16:48.640 --> 01:16:53.319
choice. Of course, we have
nothing to say here. Here we don

866
01:16:53.359 --> 01:16:56.960
' t go to people hear it
has to be changed, because I want

867
01:16:57.000 --> 01:17:00.840
you to be like I think you
have to be It doesn' t mean

868
01:17:00.880 --> 01:17:05.920
that whoever asks for help and someone
offers it to them because there is a

869
01:17:06.039 --> 01:17:11.600
crisis that there is someone here who
does and is carlos taste Amen, for

870
01:17:11.720 --> 01:17:50.920
even forever, friend, until the
next, until the next or pre on

871
01:17:50.920 --> 01:17:56.199
the train of life life, I
slept, but my heart was watching and

872
01:17:56.199 --> 01:17:59.880
I heard a voice. My beloved
was at the door my beloved sister,

873
01:18:00.119 --> 01:18:06.359
my precious dove. Let me in. My head is soaked in dew.

874
01:18:06.920 --> 01:18:12.199
The humidity of the night runs through
my hair. I' ve already taken

875
01:18:12.359 --> 01:18:15.199
off my clothes, how to get
dressed again. I' ve already washed

876
01:18:15.399 --> 01:18:20.199
my feet like on their hills.
Again, my beloved passed his hand through

877
01:18:20.640 --> 01:18:27.479
the opening of the hill. My
bowels shook. As I felt it,

878
01:18:28.720 --> 01:18:30.720
I got up and opened it to
my beloved. Drops of me would run

879
01:18:30.840 --> 01:18:35.359
through my hands, slide between my
fingers and fall over the dice, open

880
01:18:36.359 --> 01:18:42.960
it to my beloved, but I
was no longer there. He knew how

881
01:18:43.119 --> 01:18:45.880
to leave and after his voice my
soul went. I looked it up and

882
01:18:45.920 --> 01:18:49.079
I didn' t find it.
I called him and he didn' t

883
01:18:49.079 --> 01:19:25.680
answer me. Mmmmmmmmmmm. If you
were to call another tipper like the last

884
01:19:27.880 --> 01:19:33.920
time I' m not the same
anymore. If you call another fool,

885
01:19:34.479 --> 01:19:47.399
it makes you safe and tired.
You want to be yours, I'

886
01:19:47.800 --> 01:19:50.399
d open the door to you without
hesitation. I wouldn' t do it

887
01:19:50.399 --> 01:20:04.640
to you. I wait I have
no strength and call again how smart I

888
01:20:04.640 --> 01:20:13.000
am, it touches my heart again, that shivering garden that withers away.

889
01:20:14.640 --> 01:20:23.439
If you' re there and you
call again that ready I want to hear

890
01:20:23.520 --> 01:20:47.960
your sweet being a secret between the
two of you, the intimacy of between

891
01:20:48.359 --> 01:20:57.199
uncles together without using others I partner
to distance would be my daily bread.

892
01:21:00.039 --> 01:21:06.039
If you got another one from up
to my door. You wouldn' t

893
01:21:09.760 --> 01:21:16.520
have to wait for an answer or
I' d skip my heart for your

894
01:21:16.520 --> 01:21:27.680
presence. I wouldn' t make
you wait. I don' t have

895
01:21:27.680 --> 01:21:39.920
a force. I don' t
know I don' t know I don

896
01:21:40.840 --> 01:21:44.520
' t know I don' t
know. If you' re there,

897
01:21:44.800 --> 01:21:53.079
call me today that I' m
snooping I want to hear your beeings,

898
01:21:54.399 --> 01:21:58.079
be the secret between the two of
you life in between. Your gone today

899
01:21:58.159 --> 01:22:05.439
to call how clever I am,
my heart returns to your face that garden

900
01:22:05.600 --> 01:22:15.680
of intin mida that is wilted and
ours. Today to call you smart to

901
01:22:15.920 --> 01:22:57.560
listen to your sweet zero secret between
two black shy depre ion you call again.

902
01:22:57.680 --> 01:23:03.000
Mr Newton' s First Law,
if on a body no force acts,

903
01:23:03.560 --> 01:23:06.680
it tends to maintain its state of
rest or movement. If your child

904
01:23:06.840 --> 01:23:11.800
gets fired from the car because you
haven' t properly put in the child

905
01:23:11.800 --> 01:23:15.800
restraint system. Leave everything behind.
He leaves behind his favorite toy. Leave

906
01:23:15.840 --> 01:23:20.479
the chocolate biscuits behind, leave your
kiss of good night behind. It leaves

907
01:23:20.560 --> 01:23:25.520
you behind. Don' t play
with the kids. By your side we

908
01:23:25.600 --> 01:23:29.279
all go, General Traffic Directorate,
Ministry of the Interior, Government of Spain.

909
01:23:29.439 --> 01:23:32.199
Never leave me alone in the bathtub
or places with water. Don'

910
01:23:32.239 --> 01:23:35.199
t let them emit luis fingers and
a hinchufi. Don' t leave me

911
01:23:35.199 --> 01:23:40.920
at the age of an open window. I' d tell you within reach

912
01:23:41.239 --> 01:23:44.279
of tosic substances or a thousand roads. You don' t let me swallow

913
01:23:44.399 --> 01:23:46.960
the small pieces of toys. If
you neglect your eyes, you can be

914
01:23:47.000 --> 01:23:50.039
dangerous to your children. Don'
t neglect to avoid accidents. For what

915
01:23:50.079 --> 01:24:01.920
you want most Ministry of Health and
Consumer Affairs, Government of Spain, you

916
01:24:02.520 --> 01:24:25.279
travel on the train of life.
Or, ladies and gentlemen, we come

917
01:24:25.359 --> 01:24:29.199
to the colors of life and a
color that is so human, not so

918
01:24:29.479 --> 01:24:35.159
much of all mortals and already from
the earliest childhood, are jealousy, the

919
01:24:36.000 --> 01:24:41.960
envy that are cousins brothers. It
seems the same, but it' s

920
01:24:42.039 --> 01:24:45.960
not exactly the same, it'
s almost the same, but jealousy between

921
01:24:46.039 --> 01:24:53.720
brothers and at different ages. This
is today' s particularity. Where jealousy

922
01:24:53.800 --> 01:24:58.000
between the brothers originates. So,
to you suddenly well, they actually originate

923
01:24:58.239 --> 01:25:00.920
in our minds, in the minds
of our children, of our brothers.

924
01:25:01.680 --> 01:25:08.000
It originates in there and because it
originates in the mind by the interpretation that

925
01:25:08.039 --> 01:25:12.399
is sometimes correct or sometimes incorrect.
Of a certain circumstance, that is,

926
01:25:13.119 --> 01:25:17.359
when the interpretation is correct, when
my parents are truly exercising a fatherhood between

927
01:25:17.880 --> 01:25:24.000
me and my brother, unjust,
of injustice, that one receives more than

928
01:25:24.159 --> 01:25:30.159
another, that one is given more
possibilities, more privileges than another, that

929
01:25:30.239 --> 01:25:34.000
is, jealousy appears in our minds. When the interpretation is correct. We

930
01:25:34.239 --> 01:25:41.279
are experiencing concrete circumstances that make them
correctly interpret that that is unjust and,

931
01:25:41.319 --> 01:25:44.840
therefore, make us feel and develop
a feeling of jealousy or not, Or

932
01:25:45.359 --> 01:25:49.119
sometimes it is because we are misinterpreting. I have some dads and I saw

933
01:25:49.159 --> 01:25:54.399
a mom and a little wonderful that
are fair to us more than any judge

934
01:25:54.479 --> 01:25:59.199
could do. And at the same
time I feel equally jealous because I believe

935
01:25:59.239 --> 01:26:03.920
that there is also injustice after being
a correct or sometimes mistaken interpretation of certain

936
01:26:03.920 --> 01:26:06.760
circumstances. That' s where it
originates in our children' s minds.

937
01:26:08.119 --> 01:26:13.720
Then we feel or our children feel
that way because they perceive in some way

938
01:26:13.800 --> 01:26:17.960
that they have lost exclusivity at home
and in the face of that fear.

939
01:26:18.199 --> 01:26:20.760
The problem of exprisility is not exclusivity
in itself, but they are afraid that

940
01:26:20.880 --> 01:26:27.000
this will mean a number of things. For example, the feeling of loss.

941
01:26:27.359 --> 01:26:29.960
I' ll lose my parents,
and my little brother will be taken

942
01:26:29.960 --> 01:26:32.479
away, or my older brother takes
away all the flowers. The feeling of

943
01:26:32.520 --> 01:26:38.760
being replaced. This little new boy
will replace me or I' ll abandon

944
01:26:38.760 --> 01:26:41.039
you my parents. If they had
to choose between us. They would always

945
01:26:41.079 --> 01:26:45.039
choose my brother or sister a feeling
of rejection. My parents love my brother

946
01:26:45.079 --> 01:26:47.520
or more my sister than me,
a feeling of a vision of inadequacy that

947
01:26:47.880 --> 01:26:54.399
I am not enough, not that
pleased, enough. I haven' t

948
01:26:54.479 --> 01:26:57.680
reached the level they were waiting for
to be loved like my brother or my

949
01:26:57.760 --> 01:27:00.760
sister before. That' s the
problem, one of the main problems of

950
01:27:00.880 --> 01:27:03.600
jealousy that it is contain all those
fears that have to do with the feeling

951
01:27:03.680 --> 01:27:06.840
of loss, of that exclusivity,
of that unique place that I have at

952
01:27:08.479 --> 01:27:11.720
home and that when a brother comes, I have the feeling of those who

953
01:27:11.720 --> 01:27:15.479
appear. In addition to this perception, it may be grounded, as we

954
01:27:15.600 --> 01:27:19.520
have said in circumstances and explicit behaviors
that are true or not, or in

955
01:27:19.600 --> 01:27:23.399
a distorted self- image, that
is, that the child has a bad

956
01:27:23.840 --> 01:27:26.880
image of himself or a misinterpretation of
the behaviors they are carrying out and,

957
01:27:27.039 --> 01:27:30.800
therefore, he tends to compare himself
and always live happiness through comparison and being

958
01:27:30.840 --> 01:27:34.319
better than, because that has to
do with the malfunction of the child'

959
01:27:34.439 --> 01:27:39.840
s self- image, comparing himself
and being better than to be able to

960
01:27:39.920 --> 01:27:44.760
get the affection of my parents.
Then that compendium makes all this develop.

961
01:27:46.399 --> 01:27:49.920
This feeling of jealousy and, therefore, indicates to us whenever we see these

962
01:27:50.119 --> 01:27:55.239
jealousy or this feeling that originates our
mind, as long as we have it

963
01:27:55.399 --> 01:28:00.880
or detect it in our children.
It means that it is a long time

964
01:28:01.079 --> 01:28:05.359
the feeling alarms us, it detects
us that there is some conflict in my

965
01:28:05.359 --> 01:28:09.399
mind actually, or a conflict,
as we said, of the distorted image,

966
01:28:09.479 --> 01:28:11.920
that is, only through competition and
to improve and be better than my

967
01:28:12.000 --> 01:28:14.600
brother, or the feeling of never
could be better than my brother. Therefore,

968
01:28:14.800 --> 01:28:17.960
you do not need to fight a
distorted image or not. Or those

969
01:28:18.000 --> 01:28:23.600
feelings that indicate that, as parents, we are wrongly exercising parenthood, that

970
01:28:23.640 --> 01:28:26.600
it is not a problem of our
child' s mind as it is interpreting

971
01:28:26.640 --> 01:28:30.399
more, but that we are being
unfair and having a favoritism or certain behaviors

972
01:28:30.920 --> 01:28:35.239
that we will see later, that
indicate to us or that indicate to my

973
01:28:35.319 --> 01:28:39.640
son that yes, that we love
one more than another. The truth is,

974
01:28:40.319 --> 01:28:44.439
it' s already a very interesting
exit description. There are brothers who

975
01:28:44.560 --> 01:28:47.199
do not have or have ever been
jealous of each other, for they are

976
01:28:47.199 --> 01:28:51.000
not. Actually, if we are
very, very honest, we should answer

977
01:28:51.119 --> 01:28:56.199
that not what does exist and we
will see why they would say bu because

978
01:28:56.239 --> 01:28:59.399
I have never been jealous of my
brother or brother has never been jealous of

979
01:28:59.399 --> 01:29:02.039
me. And well, what exists
are brothers who have felt jealous, that

980
01:29:02.560 --> 01:29:10.199
is, that feeling is alarm.
They appear, but have managed internally and

981
01:29:11.279 --> 01:29:15.239
has been fleeting. And those feelings
have been fleeting because we have managed them

982
01:29:15.319 --> 01:29:21.520
properly within our mind. And they
have also been able to do so because

983
01:29:21.600 --> 01:29:25.600
their parents, for example, have
helped them. Or they have also managed

984
01:29:25.680 --> 01:29:29.680
the education between both brothers or all
the brothers, that is, the brothers

985
01:29:29.800 --> 01:29:33.199
who do not demonstrate in a physical
way, they do not see their behaviors,

986
01:29:33.640 --> 01:29:38.439
because the feelings remember that we can
only detect them in others in the

987
01:29:38.439 --> 01:29:41.520
form of behavior. If I see
someone crying, I will know or be

988
01:29:41.560 --> 01:29:45.560
able to detect that they either feel
anger or sadness. But if I don

989
01:29:45.640 --> 01:29:47.520
' t see him crying or I
see him smiling, I won' t

990
01:29:47.600 --> 01:29:50.520
know that that feeling is in there, because that happens with jealousy, just

991
01:29:50.560 --> 01:29:55.880
like any other feeling. So what
happens is that those jealousys appear in our

992
01:29:56.000 --> 01:29:59.560
lives. That feeling appears, I
can read the series of thoughts and then

993
01:29:59.560 --> 01:30:03.560
I learn them to gestio onar internally, that is, I learn to interpret

994
01:30:03.640 --> 01:30:08.680
properly that I, who am living
or my parents help me interpret it properly,

995
01:30:09.359 --> 01:30:14.640
so those jealous behaviors do not appear. In this way, what we

996
01:30:14.720 --> 01:30:18.640
can say is that the philosopher’
s stone to avoid jealousy is to know

997
01:30:19.239 --> 01:30:24.159
that it is natural, that it
is natural that those feelings sometimes come into

998
01:30:24.159 --> 01:30:28.439
our minds. It is normal and
what we should do is work as parents

999
01:30:28.479 --> 01:30:33.000
to help our children disconnect the true
origin that has connected that feeling, which

1000
01:30:33.079 --> 01:30:39.439
has made that feeling appear and work
with them mentally. Then children have to

1001
01:30:39.479 --> 01:30:43.640
learn to work mentally and manage those
feelings, and they can only learn them

1002
01:30:43.760 --> 01:30:46.720
and we teach them and help them, so that the parents who work jealousy

1003
01:30:46.840 --> 01:30:53.960
the most, teaching, helping the
child to correctly process that feeling and understanding

1004
01:30:54.079 --> 01:30:57.159
that there is a series of detertaments
such as he would be abandoned, being

1005
01:30:57.199 --> 01:31:00.000
rejected, loving me less that they
are lies, san saber s NS.

1006
01:31:00.560 --> 01:31:04.720
In doing this, those jealous behaviors
will not appear. That' s a

1007
01:31:04.720 --> 01:31:08.640
probability. The other is that jealous
behaviors do not appear because we hide them

1008
01:31:08.760 --> 01:31:10.720
and because my family is a very
bad thing. But that doesn' t

1009
01:31:10.720 --> 01:31:13.840
mean there' s no jealousy,
but we hide them. Sure. Of

1010
01:31:13.840 --> 01:31:17.279
course, but I say before the
birth, for example, the birth or

1011
01:31:17.319 --> 01:31:23.399
adoption of a new child, what
our eldest child needs in this case,

1012
01:31:24.439 --> 01:31:27.319
because the first thing we have to
take into account is based on this which

1013
01:31:27.359 --> 01:31:30.199
we have just explained that jealousy occurs
naturally, that is, it is logical

1014
01:31:30.279 --> 01:31:34.640
to give. We cannot avoid them, that is, jealousy is natural and

1015
01:31:34.800 --> 01:31:40.520
logical and they appear as we have
said others, on the occasion when I

1016
01:31:40.680 --> 01:31:43.600
feel that a new person is,
for example, as you said, the

1017
01:31:44.000 --> 01:31:46.960
birth of a new child, because
it supposes I will spend more time with

1018
01:31:47.000 --> 01:31:49.439
the new child, because he is
a baby. I need to take care

1019
01:31:49.439 --> 01:31:51.560
of it. If I have to
give her mom, they spend a lot

1020
01:31:51.600 --> 01:31:56.119
of time with mom. Dad will
also have to hold him for a long

1021
01:31:56.119 --> 01:31:59.560
time, because he doesn' t
walk all these things. If I want

1022
01:31:59.560 --> 01:32:00.920
to develop a good orth, I
stick with my new born child. If

1023
01:32:00.960 --> 01:32:03.399
I want to develop a good attachment, it means that I will have to

1024
01:32:03.479 --> 01:32:08.000
be, take it, embrace it, be with it, attend to its

1025
01:32:08.000 --> 01:32:11.680
needs. And the needs of when
we are babies are greater in terms of

1026
01:32:11.800 --> 01:32:15.720
physical contact and being on top of
them than when children are older, so

1027
01:32:15.199 --> 01:32:19.399
that our child, it is inevitable
that you think or are. When this

1028
01:32:19.479 --> 01:32:23.479
little thing wasn' t around,
my parents were after me and now they

1029
01:32:23.560 --> 01:32:25.520
' re not that much for me
anymore. Not that they' re not

1030
01:32:25.560 --> 01:32:27.199
here, but that they' re
not so much for me. Or you

1031
01:32:27.199 --> 01:32:30.319
see children who are more extremist think
they no longer attend to me, they

1032
01:32:30.399 --> 01:32:34.039
are no longer with me. I
remember then that' s natural for them

1033
01:32:34.119 --> 01:32:39.119
to appear and it' s logical
for that feeling to appear, knowing that

1034
01:32:39.159 --> 01:32:40.800
the most normal thing is for the
feeling to appear. We can do a

1035
01:32:40.880 --> 01:32:44.840
number of things. The best way
to deal with these jealousy, these feelings

1036
01:32:44.840 --> 01:32:48.560
and, therefore, overcome them,
that is, to disconnect them without major

1037
01:32:48.680 --> 01:32:54.439
complications, is to verbalize it,
that is, those fears or those incorrect

1038
01:32:54.439 --> 01:32:58.079
assumptions. They won' t listen
to me anymore, they' ve replaced

1039
01:32:58.159 --> 01:32:59.840
me with moms, my little brother, because they' re with him longer.

1040
01:33:00.199 --> 01:33:01.439
All that we should do as parents, knowing what is to come and

1041
01:33:01.520 --> 01:33:05.399
that it may be that those thoughts
are there and that if we see small

1042
01:33:05.520 --> 01:33:13.199
behaviors that can indicate those thoughts,
we should verbalize them, take them to

1043
01:33:13.279 --> 01:33:16.920
the area of verbalizing or expressing ourselves, bring them to light and we should

1044
01:33:16.960 --> 01:33:19.720
be able to tell our son,
we should be able to sit down,

1045
01:33:20.079 --> 01:33:24.199
even if he has two three years
with our son, he says what is

1046
01:33:24.199 --> 01:33:25.319
wrong with you, what you feel. So, what do you think the

1047
01:33:25.399 --> 01:33:27.239
dad goes more to the baby because
he' s more with him. What

1048
01:33:27.279 --> 01:33:30.279
do you think the lady wants to
be with the baby more than with you,

1049
01:33:30.640 --> 01:33:32.039
because it gives her a lot of
time to suck. Then explain the

1050
01:33:32.119 --> 01:33:35.439
reality, explain to him that not
that it is not that we love him

1051
01:33:35.560 --> 01:33:40.960
more, is that he has a
number of needs. Show him photographs that

1052
01:33:41.000 --> 01:33:43.319
I show that we' ve already
done this to him. What happens is

1053
01:33:43.359 --> 01:33:45.840
that now he doesn' t remember
it, because it was very doubtful that

1054
01:33:45.920 --> 01:33:49.880
we' ve done the same thing
with him that he needs, that this

1055
01:33:50.039 --> 01:33:53.279
little boy needs, but that doesn' t mean that he' s going

1056
01:33:53.319 --> 01:33:56.640
to run out of dad and mom, but that we, like dads and

1057
01:33:56.640 --> 01:33:59.439
like nothing else, also feel very
good when we play with him, when

1058
01:33:59.479 --> 01:34:03.319
we' re with him, just
that he needs less to have him than

1059
01:34:03.359 --> 01:34:04.920
to take him and, for example, take him in arms all the time,

1060
01:34:04.920 --> 01:34:06.800
because he knows how to walk.
So, holding him alone by the

1061
01:34:06.840 --> 01:34:12.560
hand is enough. We don'
t need to carry him in our arms

1062
01:34:12.600 --> 01:34:15.159
and that the young child who was
born also indicate a day that we no

1063
01:34:15.199 --> 01:34:18.319
longer need to carry him in our
arms all the time, but that he

1064
01:34:18.319 --> 01:34:21.760
may have taken hold of our hand, that is, help him verbalize those

1065
01:34:21.800 --> 01:34:25.560
fears and make him understand that it
is temporary, that this process is temporary,

1066
01:34:25.720 --> 01:34:28.039
that he too has had it,
that we are not giving anything to

1067
01:34:28.039 --> 01:34:28.520
this baby, that he has not
had before. Therefore, that we are

1068
01:34:28.560 --> 01:34:31.359
being righteous with him and that spending
time with the baby does not indicate that

1069
01:34:31.439 --> 01:34:35.960
we love him more, but that
he has greater needs. I remember.

1070
01:34:36.119 --> 01:34:42.119
Another major axis to work is the
direct involvement of the older brother in the

1071
01:34:42.239 --> 01:34:46.439
care of the newborn. If when
a young child is born we integrate the

1072
01:34:46.680 --> 01:34:50.159
older brother into the brother who was
already the caregiver of the newborn. We

1073
01:34:50.199 --> 01:34:55.279
let him touch it we ask him, to help us when he has to

1074
01:34:55.279 --> 01:34:58.520
put tremite, we let him put
a little, We let him put one

1075
01:34:58.560 --> 01:35:01.800
of the strips of the bath or
bring us to the best the colony to

1076
01:35:01.920 --> 01:35:09.520
be able to put it or to
comb it carefully with the combs of soft

1077
01:35:09.920 --> 01:35:13.119
pulsation that there is or that he
chooses us ropita that he would like to

1078
01:35:13.119 --> 01:35:15.920
put the child. That is to
involve him in the care of the newborn,

1079
01:35:15.640 --> 01:35:19.159
if he takes viberon, that he
can bring the mother one of the

1080
01:35:19.279 --> 01:35:23.960
vibrons or bring the water when necessary, or that he sits with us next

1081
01:35:24.159 --> 01:35:27.199
to him while we breastfeed him,
while he sees how we breastfeed him,

1082
01:35:27.520 --> 01:35:31.000
putting a number of conditions. Remember
that children always need a series of conditions,

1083
01:35:31.039 --> 01:35:33.079
it is a series of limits.
So, well, you can stay

1084
01:35:33.079 --> 01:35:36.279
here. If you' re going
to be quiet and if you' re

1085
01:35:36.319 --> 01:35:40.600
not going to touch the baby who' s now focused on eating mom,

1086
01:35:40.800 --> 01:35:42.159
she' d love for you to
sit next to her. So that'

1087
01:35:42.239 --> 01:35:45.239
s a way to involve the older
brother in newborn care. By involving him,

1088
01:35:45.399 --> 01:35:48.399
it feels that the newborn is not
something that removes him and expels him

1089
01:35:48.520 --> 01:35:53.039
outside, but that it involves him
even more in family life. So,

1090
01:35:53.239 --> 01:35:56.720
this will help you to understand that
it' s not that we no longer

1091
01:35:56.760 --> 01:36:00.359
love him and that we don'
t want him around, but all we

1092
01:36:00.439 --> 01:36:01.560
want to have him around and that' s why we involve him. I

1093
01:36:01.600 --> 01:36:06.439
remember. Another form is strength,
strengthening the idea that growing and becoming great

1094
01:36:06.600 --> 01:36:13.720
is what we want to happen to
the newborn, not just him. I

1095
01:36:13.800 --> 01:36:16.079
mean, we don' t want
our baby to stay the rest of his

1096
01:36:16.399 --> 01:36:19.640
life for the next forty years being
a baby. What we want is for

1097
01:36:19.720 --> 01:36:24.079
him to grow up and for him
to grow we need to do this just

1098
01:36:24.159 --> 01:36:28.119
like we did with him, so
strengthening that idea that growing is good,

1099
01:36:28.359 --> 01:36:31.880
that growing is healthy that developing,
healthy that generating and that learning to do

1100
01:36:31.920 --> 01:36:35.439
things he and being able to do
things right is just a good thing he

1101
01:36:35.479 --> 01:36:39.840
comes out and that we expect from
him and that we also expect from little

1102
01:36:39.880 --> 01:36:42.399
knotty, only that he has done
it before and the little one will take

1103
01:36:42.399 --> 01:36:45.159
a little longer to do it.
Remembering to strengthen that idea will also help

1104
01:36:45.199 --> 01:36:49.720
a lot with jealousy and then dedicate
a time of attention to the older brother,

1105
01:36:50.199 --> 01:36:54.279
a time only exclusive to him,
in which we can go out with

1106
01:36:54.279 --> 01:36:56.000
him to walk alone. So,
sometimes what we have to do is divide

1107
01:36:56.000 --> 01:36:59.319
the time. If Dad' s
with the baby, Mom' s hanging

1108
01:36:59.479 --> 01:37:00.640
out with him, the big brother. If Mom' s with the Baby,

1109
01:37:01.119 --> 01:37:04.079
and she' s going to have
to go through with the older brother,

1110
01:37:04.640 --> 01:37:08.520
the good thing is that we'
re doing it in a capriculated way,

1111
01:37:08.760 --> 01:37:11.880
that is, one and the other, and not as long as the

1112
01:37:11.880 --> 01:37:11.880
dad does, because if we feel
like a mother' s quitting all right.

1113
01:37:12.199 --> 01:37:14.640
I know that in the case of
moms it' s harder, because

1114
01:37:14.720 --> 01:37:17.000
if mom' s love will be
harder. But to take that time to

1115
01:37:17.079 --> 01:37:23.960
walk with him, of course,
then, when our children share childhood and

1116
01:37:23.960 --> 01:37:30.800
pre- adolescence, what they will
need in this case to properly manage the

1117
01:37:30.880 --> 01:37:35.600
feelings of jealousy that may appear,
for when we are in childhood, especially

1118
01:37:35.680 --> 01:37:41.239
second childhood, when we are talking
about five or six, seven or eight

1119
01:37:41.239 --> 01:37:44.279
years later pre- adolescence, ten, eleven twelve, when we are in

1120
01:37:44.399 --> 01:37:47.439
that period that that childhood and pre- adolescence, we need to do something

1121
01:37:47.439 --> 01:37:48.760
to make jealousy disappear and there are
or seem not to appear. The first

1122
01:37:48.840 --> 01:37:55.439
thing is to highlight the strengths and
peculiarities of each of my children fairly,

1123
01:37:55.840 --> 01:38:00.640
that is, fairly. If I
highlight one' s UEN points, I

1124
01:38:00.720 --> 01:38:01.880
have to be able to highlight them
from the others. That doesn' t

1125
01:38:01.960 --> 01:38:05.479
mean or I' m not saying
that every time I tell my oldest son

1126
01:38:05.560 --> 01:38:10.880
that he' s done something right
immediately I have to look in that very

1127
01:38:10.960 --> 01:38:12.600
instant for something that my little son
has done right. No. We'

1128
01:38:12.640 --> 01:38:15.960
re not talking about this. We' re talking that if during the day

1129
01:38:15.520 --> 01:38:18.720
I have highlighted a point or two
strengths of my eldest son, I also

1130
01:38:19.119 --> 01:38:23.640
need to highlight two strengths of my
young son. Okay, not at the

1131
01:38:23.720 --> 01:38:27.199
same time, but during the day, if I am able to highlight the

1132
01:38:27.279 --> 01:38:30.920
strengths. On the peculiarities, the
things that differentiate them as something good in

1133
01:38:31.000 --> 01:38:33.800
each of them. This will help
me with jealousy. This is the first

1134
01:38:33.880 --> 01:38:38.960
thing. The second time they fight, for example. For example, if

1135
01:38:39.039 --> 01:38:42.079
it' s a game, it' s best to remove the game they

1136
01:38:42.159 --> 01:38:46.000
' re fighting for anyway give it
for ten minutes after saving it for ten

1137
01:38:46.000 --> 01:38:48.399
minutes, we' ll return it. We' ll tell them if they

1138
01:38:48.399 --> 01:38:51.159
fight again and we' ll take
it back. If that happens a third

1139
01:38:51.279 --> 01:38:55.840
time, we warn you in the
second time it happens again. They don

1140
01:38:55.960 --> 01:38:58.159
' t know or don' t
learn to play together. What we'

1141
01:38:58.159 --> 01:39:00.359
re gonna do is we' re
gonna take that game off for the whole

1142
01:39:00.399 --> 01:39:01.319
day or today and we' re
gonna give it back to you tomorrow.

1143
01:39:01.760 --> 01:39:05.159
This is a way to make them
understand that they have to learn how to

1144
01:39:05.199 --> 01:39:10.279
play together and do it properly,
if not whoever starts and who gets angry

1145
01:39:10.359 --> 01:39:14.600
with each other. This will imply
if we don' t know how to

1146
01:39:14.680 --> 01:39:15.920
solve it that we' re going
to take that game away from them and,

1147
01:39:16.279 --> 01:39:16.680
therefore, they' re going to
lose that chance of playing with it.

1148
01:39:17.119 --> 01:39:20.840
We do this because by removing that
game we remove part of the conflict

1149
01:39:20.880 --> 01:39:25.520
and then they can solve that situation. Now, if we know who started

1150
01:39:25.640 --> 01:39:29.239
the lawsuit, that is, we
actually see that one has hit the other

1151
01:39:29.359 --> 01:39:32.039
or stretched the other' s hair
or taken away from a toy and hasn

1152
01:39:32.119 --> 01:39:36.439
' t asked for it. Then
we' ll have to catch that brother,

1153
01:39:36.520 --> 01:39:40.920
whether he' s the oldest or
the little one, take him away

1154
01:39:40.920 --> 01:39:44.920
and talk to theirs, that is, clarify to him why he does that,

1155
01:39:45.159 --> 01:39:45.920
that that' s wrong, and
that we care that he does it

1156
01:39:45.920 --> 01:39:48.399
only with his brother. We care
that what you' re doing is bad,

1157
01:39:48.560 --> 01:39:50.960
not just for your brothers, but
for any other child you' re

1158
01:39:51.000 --> 01:39:55.800
doing it with and the consequences that
that' s going to bring you that

1159
01:39:55.800 --> 01:39:59.319
other kids want to play with.
If he behaves that way, put him

1160
01:39:59.319 --> 01:40:00.439
in the position of ns his brother
or another. For example, if the

1161
01:40:00.479 --> 01:40:04.119
little brother has taken a toy from
the younger brother, well, don'

1162
01:40:04.119 --> 01:40:06.199
t misunderstand the other way and the
little brother has taken a toy from him

1163
01:40:06.199 --> 01:40:10.199
in the older hand. Being able
to say it when we take away toys

1164
01:40:10.239 --> 01:40:12.479
from you, you like it,
it makes you feel good or it makes

1165
01:40:12.520 --> 01:40:14.960
you feel bad you feel angry.
That' s what you' re doing

1166
01:40:15.039 --> 01:40:16.399
with your brother. Then, after
I' ve finished him off, put

1167
01:40:16.439 --> 01:40:19.920
some conditions on him. If you
repeat this again, you' ll be

1168
01:40:20.000 --> 01:40:24.600
there for a while Without playing with
your brother, the children, the jealousy,

1169
01:40:25.079 --> 01:40:26.359
it doesn' t make the brothers
among them, they don' t

1170
01:40:26.359 --> 01:40:28.560
want to play together. Jealousy,
what they indicate is a problem with parents.

1171
01:40:29.680 --> 01:40:31.359
My brother takes my parents away from
me, but not a problem with

1172
01:40:31.439 --> 01:40:34.760
being together. That happens many times
in other people’ s homes where brothers

1173
01:40:34.800 --> 01:40:39.880
play together perfectly. Well, the
school plays perfectly by the time they get

1174
01:40:39.880 --> 01:40:42.720
home, jealousy shows up. This
shows that the problem is not in the

1175
01:40:42.760 --> 01:40:45.520
relationship between the two, but in
how we relate to the older brother or

1176
01:40:45.560 --> 01:40:49.359
to the younger brother. Another way
is, when one hits the other,

1177
01:40:50.319 --> 01:40:58.239
we' ll have to pull them
apart, ask them what happened separately and

1178
01:40:58.279 --> 01:41:00.840
ask the one who hit, either
to r to n one or they'

1179
01:41:00.880 --> 01:41:04.800
ve stuck two, separate them for
at least fifteen minutes and not allow them

1180
01:41:04.840 --> 01:41:10.279
to play and if that happens again, you won' t let them play

1181
01:41:10.439 --> 01:41:13.199
together that afternoon and let them understand
what that means and put a number of

1182
01:41:13.199 --> 01:41:15.319
rules at home. Then, normally, when there is jealousy between the brothers.

1183
01:41:15.399 --> 01:41:18.119
The best ways to put standards that
are called normace between brothers, and

1184
01:41:18.199 --> 01:41:21.239
it is in the fridge of home, in the dining room, somewhere where

1185
01:41:21.239 --> 01:41:26.079
you see setting between three and five
norms no more than are in hand.

1186
01:41:26.159 --> 01:41:31.800
For example, we can' t
stick together we' ll always talk without

1187
01:41:31.800 --> 01:41:35.039
yelling at TV one. First you
choose one program and then you choose the

1188
01:41:35.119 --> 01:41:40.159
other program a set of small basic
rules, three, I say three between

1189
01:41:40.159 --> 01:41:43.600
trainta and five that will help that
if you buy those rules, there will

1190
01:41:43.720 --> 01:41:46.479
be pariety, there will be justice
between one brother and the other. And

1191
01:41:46.560 --> 01:41:49.319
then, something that is very funny
and that can work very well, especially

1192
01:41:49.399 --> 01:41:54.239
when children are younger, is to
generate what we call our collage or the

1193
01:41:54.399 --> 01:41:58.760
collage of brothers. It' s
about taking a session of pictures at home,

1194
01:41:59.399 --> 01:42:01.960
fun with two outra camera or even
with your mobile phone, making a

1195
01:42:02.000 --> 01:42:06.199
series of pictures where they have to
always be together, doing nonsense, already

1196
01:42:06.239 --> 01:42:11.039
can be doing nonsense where it'
s a hug playing with something, but

1197
01:42:11.039 --> 01:42:15.199
they always have to appear in the
photo together. We will choose between ten

1198
01:42:15.319 --> 01:42:18.840
and twenty photos and of the ten
twenty photos we will take them to print

1199
01:42:18.920 --> 01:42:25.800
or print them at home and make
a collage that is called we will always

1200
01:42:25.840 --> 01:42:29.159
be brothers in that college What we
seek is that the brothers realize that it

1201
01:42:29.640 --> 01:42:31.399
is better to be together and we
have a better time together than separated or

1202
01:42:31.399 --> 01:42:34.119
angry. That also helps jealousy and, therefore, and as the last and

1203
01:42:34.680 --> 01:42:42.760
most important point, is to eliminate
favoritism. We cannot give more privileges to

1204
01:42:42.800 --> 01:42:45.239
an older brother because he is the
elder brother, because he is the first

1205
01:42:46.039 --> 01:42:49.640
- born, nor can we give
him more privilege than a small one because

1206
01:42:49.680 --> 01:42:51.520
of the simple fact of being small
or the simple fact of being a child.

1207
01:42:53.000 --> 01:42:55.439
Sometimes because of the simple fact of
being a child. We' ve

1208
01:42:56.439 --> 01:42:59.880
already allowed the girl to take away
the toys from the older brother from the

1209
01:42:59.880 --> 01:43:01.680
sea, but we don' t
let the older hand be angry because it

1210
01:43:01.680 --> 01:43:05.279
' s older. That' s
one way to show favoritism and it'

1211
01:43:05.279 --> 01:43:11.119
s wrong. We need to teach
our little daughter that she can' t

1212
01:43:11.199 --> 01:43:14.479
take any toy from her hand,
neither our son' s nor other children

1213
01:43:14.479 --> 01:43:16.079
' s. For example, if
our little three- year- old daughter

1214
01:43:16.119 --> 01:43:20.479
did this in the park we would
penalize those circumstances. Therefore, if our

1215
01:43:20.600 --> 01:43:24.720
eldest son does, we must also
penalize him. And conversely, if our

1216
01:43:25.319 --> 01:43:28.479
older brother beats or pushes a child
into the yard, even if he was

1217
01:43:28.560 --> 01:43:32.000
his age or a younger one,
we would penalise him, because we should

1218
01:43:32.039 --> 01:43:34.520
still do it if he does it
with his younger brother. So remember to

1219
01:43:34.920 --> 01:43:41.159
avoid favoritism. We can' t
treat one better or give more privileges to

1220
01:43:41.199 --> 01:43:44.960
one than another or penalise another less
even if he does the same things.

1221
01:43:45.359 --> 01:43:49.399
We must be in these just and
equal and thus pass the first and second

1222
01:43:49.439 --> 01:43:55.680
childhood and pre- adolescence in a
more balanced way and with less feelings of

1223
01:43:55.680 --> 01:43:59.520
jealousy. Well, I think all
we have left is during adolescence and youth.

1224
01:44:00.640 --> 01:44:05.239
Jealousy seems to go unnoticed, but
how do we definitely help our children

1225
01:44:05.319 --> 01:44:13.000
in these two stages already? If
they continue to live without jealousy, if

1226
01:44:13.119 --> 01:44:16.479
they keep asking for jealousy in this
case, if they continue to live jealousy

1227
01:44:16.560 --> 01:44:18.439
in adolescence and youth, it will
be a little more complicated. It'

1228
01:44:18.560 --> 01:44:24.039
s true that they go unnoticed.
It' s a reality. It costs

1229
01:44:24.119 --> 01:44:27.479
more to see jealousy in youth or
adolescence. If they stay, no,

1230
01:44:27.600 --> 01:44:30.800
because we already know, but it' s harder to see them. One

1231
01:44:30.840 --> 01:44:33.399
of the things I love, as
we always speak, the word of God.

1232
01:44:33.479 --> 01:44:38.840
He has much wisdom what Jesus of
Nazareth said. He' s got

1233
01:44:38.840 --> 01:44:44.199
a lot of them. He lives
a magnificent skillful, intelligent teacher with cunning

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01:44:44.239 --> 01:44:47.279
in teaching things with pedagogy. When
it comes to teaching them, then I

1235
01:44:48.079 --> 01:44:50.720
' d like to take one of
the words I explain to you to convey

1236
01:44:50.760 --> 01:44:53.520
this, which is what you said. P that of the prodigal son.

1237
01:44:54.039 --> 01:44:57.760
The prodigal son speaks of two to
young people, almost adults, not to

1238
01:44:57.760 --> 01:45:01.159
say adults, but at least two
young people, and explains how with great

1239
01:45:01.479 --> 01:45:05.920
clarity the main reason why in adolescence
and youth these jealousies originate or are maintained.

1240
01:45:09.800 --> 01:45:12.439
The first thing that happens is that
it depends on the personality of our

1241
01:45:12.560 --> 01:45:15.640
son, our daughter. We will
have developed a kind of way to educate

1242
01:45:15.720 --> 01:45:21.600
him and, therefore, to relate
to him. They to these personality traits

1243
01:45:21.600 --> 01:45:25.920
and this way of educating him makes
that if our child, for example,

1244
01:45:26.239 --> 01:45:31.600
is introverted and therefore, the general
pronorm is more reflexive. When you ask

1245
01:45:31.720 --> 01:45:36.239
us for something, you will do
it with arguments, not impulsively and,

1246
01:45:36.359 --> 01:45:42.720
moreover, as a general rule,
you will also have to listen to them

1247
01:45:42.880 --> 01:45:46.960
when we talk to him about what
will provoke this personality that provokes, that

1248
01:45:47.039 --> 01:45:51.279
will make us less punishing with him, that we tend to penalize at least

1249
01:45:51.319 --> 01:45:53.359
because he explains things to us,
they argue to us and he is willing

1250
01:45:53.359 --> 01:45:56.079
to listen to us. Therefore,
in our relationship with our introverted and reflective

1251
01:45:56.159 --> 01:46:00.039
child, there will be fewer circumstances
of him angry and, therefore, less

1252
01:46:00.119 --> 01:46:06.560
feeling of discomfort. But when our
other son or our leaf there or our

1253
01:46:06.680 --> 01:46:12.119
other daughter are more impulsive and extroverted
than our son, older, they make

1254
01:46:12.159 --> 01:46:15.119
them less reflective, so they will
ask for things in a less reasoned,

1255
01:46:15.560 --> 01:46:21.479
more impulsive way. Therefore, we
will think of them or tend to think

1256
01:46:21.560 --> 01:46:27.079
of our son or our extroverted and
impulsive daughter, who is irresponsible. It

1257
01:46:27.159 --> 01:46:30.239
scares us and how it scares us. We will finish it more and sometimes

1258
01:46:30.319 --> 01:46:34.399
we will be even less suitable in
penalties. We will tend to be more

1259
01:46:34.479 --> 01:46:39.399
punishing and more limiting, that is, our impulsive and extroverted son. We

1260
01:46:39.399 --> 01:46:43.479
' ll have to say no more
times. This generates more situations than conflict

1261
01:46:43.720 --> 01:46:46.600
and, therefore, more feeling of
discomfort with our son and daughter so that

1262
01:46:46.640 --> 01:46:55.359
the teenager can interpret some of these
facts. You can interpret that we feel

1263
01:46:55.479 --> 01:46:59.239
better with our son, older than
with him, and therefore that we prefer

1264
01:46:59.359 --> 01:47:03.960
our thoughtful and introverted older brother,
who gives less problems than me, who

1265
01:47:04.000 --> 01:47:11.560
love me less, because I give
more problems. This is what provokes jealousy,

1266
01:47:12.560 --> 01:47:16.880
a sense of injustice, and we
should be able to explain to our

1267
01:47:17.039 --> 01:47:21.880
child that this is not the case, but that the only thing that causes

1268
01:47:21.960 --> 01:47:24.000
us to but to further improve their
way of working or to limit it.

1269
01:47:24.359 --> 01:47:28.439
They are a series of fears that
we anticipate and their way of asking for

1270
01:47:28.520 --> 01:47:32.680
things because they indicate irresponsibility or why
they indicate irresponsibility, or why they ask

1271
01:47:32.720 --> 01:47:36.199
us for those things and what makes
us think. But we need to verbalize

1272
01:47:36.239 --> 01:47:39.479
that the problem is not that we
don' t love him. We love

1273
01:47:39.520 --> 01:47:44.079
him exactly the same, but there
are things that must be penalized and they

1274
01:47:44.199 --> 01:47:45.439
are both for one and the other. Have one do it more or less.

1275
01:47:46.520 --> 01:47:49.279
It doesn' t mean that that' s not bad. Another focus

1276
01:47:49.399 --> 01:47:55.720
of conflict is that there are people
with a more determined tendency than others,

1277
01:47:56.079 --> 01:48:00.479
as a feature of personality and for
their experience, there are people who have

1278
01:48:00.560 --> 01:48:04.880
to tend to care more about pleasing
others. And that makes us have more

1279
01:48:04.960 --> 01:48:11.039
teenagers or young people working at home. In a society where running is the

1280
01:48:11.079 --> 01:48:15.640
general tonic, sometimes what happens is
that we don' t realize or repair

1281
01:48:15.720 --> 01:48:19.039
that our oldest son is working at
one hundred percent and that our son honors

1282
01:48:19.119 --> 01:48:23.680
me is working at twenty- five
percent, because he doesn' t need

1283
01:48:23.800 --> 01:48:28.000
to please so much because he'
s not so hard on this that he

1284
01:48:28.439 --> 01:48:29.720
generates in our older brother, because
it' s a feeling of injustice.

1285
01:48:29.840 --> 01:48:33.640
Of course, what happens is that
the older brother feels that he is making

1286
01:48:33.640 --> 01:48:36.479
more effort than the younger one and
that the younger one receives the same thing

1287
01:48:36.520 --> 01:48:39.680
as the older one. Therefore,
in the sense of injustice, the account

1288
01:48:40.359 --> 01:48:45.840
of the prodigal son very clearly shows
these feelings, this concrete feeling of the

1289
01:48:45.920 --> 01:48:49.439
son Gayor and the good of the
parables that the Great Teacher Jesus told,

1290
01:48:49.800 --> 01:48:54.079
which said is that they always implied
an answer, always took a solution.

1291
01:48:54.720 --> 01:48:57.479
Not that one not just given a
parabola without giving a solution. And if

1292
01:48:57.600 --> 01:49:00.479
you think so, let' s
read the last three, that is,

1293
01:49:00.600 --> 01:49:03.960
the passage to the final part of
this story, this story, to understand

1294
01:49:04.640 --> 01:49:08.840
that the son who was at home
was living. Turns out the prodigal son

1295
01:49:08.920 --> 01:49:13.560
consists of a son who wants to
have his inheritance look at his dad tell

1296
01:49:13.640 --> 01:49:16.039
him dad give me the inheritance that
I love her and leave home because I

1297
01:49:16.079 --> 01:49:17.439
don' t want to be home
anymore. I want to do what he

1298
01:49:17.479 --> 01:49:20.359
wants without having a dad tell him
what to do. She wants to go

1299
01:49:20.439 --> 01:49:24.399
away and spends everything on her inheritance, but she doesn' t spend it

1300
01:49:24.640 --> 01:49:28.760
comparing the house, pushing forward with
the families who race her with the worst,

1301
01:49:28.840 --> 01:49:30.680
with words, with prostitution, with
something, with drugs, etcetera,

1302
01:49:30.680 --> 01:49:33.560
etcetera. Sure, when this son
comes home because he sees himself in absolute

1303
01:49:33.680 --> 01:49:38.439
misery without having to eat. When
you see yourself in absolute misery, you

1304
01:49:38.960 --> 01:49:43.199
say at my father' s house, even the servants, even the people

1305
01:49:43.279 --> 01:49:45.880
who help in the house are better
treated than I am. I' ve

1306
01:49:45.920 --> 01:49:46.520
lived better than I have. I' ll go back to my father'

1307
01:49:46.560 --> 01:49:50.680
s house and tell him to please
treat me not like a son, because

1308
01:49:50.760 --> 01:49:54.319
I' ve been the worst.
Since I am not worthy to be his

1309
01:49:54.319 --> 01:49:57.560
son, but unless he hires me, he hires me as someone who cleans

1310
01:49:57.680 --> 01:50:00.600
the house or takes care of the
animals and comes back. What' s

1311
01:50:00.600 --> 01:50:03.720
going on? That when the dad
comes back, he' s dad before

1312
01:50:03.800 --> 01:50:06.760
anything else, he' s dad
more than just, he' s dad,

1313
01:50:06.880 --> 01:50:10.359
he loves the kid, and when
I have to come back he finally

1314
01:50:10.359 --> 01:50:14.119
comes home. Now he has learned
his lesson and throws a party and gives

1315
01:50:14.199 --> 01:50:15.840
him everything that happens. And that' s where we started reading. The

1316
01:50:15.920 --> 01:50:19.439
eldest son was in the field,
says the parable and when he came and

1317
01:50:19.520 --> 01:50:23.800
came near the house, heard the
music and dances and called one of the

1318
01:50:23.840 --> 01:50:27.680
servants, asked him that he was
that and he told him your brother has

1319
01:50:27.760 --> 01:50:30.319
come home, has returned and your
father has killed a fat calf and for

1320
01:50:30.399 --> 01:50:35.720
having received them, for having received
them safe and sound, then he was

1321
01:50:35.800 --> 01:50:39.880
angry and did not want to enter. The eldest son suddenly got angry and

1322
01:50:39.920 --> 01:50:44.439
did not want to go in and
went out to find them his father and

1323
01:50:44.479 --> 01:50:47.680
begged the pope to enter the eldest
son at the party but the eldest son

1324
01:50:47.680 --> 01:50:54.800
answered. Here are so many years
I have served you, never disobeying you

1325
01:50:54.920 --> 01:51:00.399
and you don' t change it, given not even any kid to be

1326
01:51:00.479 --> 01:51:02.640
able to enjoy or party with my
friends. But when he came to your

1327
01:51:02.640 --> 01:51:05.359
son, this one who has consumed
all your lives, everything that has put

1328
01:51:05.359 --> 01:51:11.039
him on, he has consumed it, he eats the blowout and without taking

1329
01:51:11.159 --> 01:51:15.119
into account goes and you throw him
a party and then the dad gives him

1330
01:51:15.119 --> 01:51:20.720
the solution to say son, you
have always been with me and all my

1331
01:51:20.720 --> 01:51:24.159
things have always been yours. That' s the solution And that' s

1332
01:51:24.159 --> 01:51:27.880
the solution that the great teacher has
given when we see that a child is

1333
01:51:27.920 --> 01:51:31.119
very hard- working and that sometimes
he complains or has feelings of jealousy and

1334
01:51:31.680 --> 01:51:35.119
has jealous behaviors rather than recriminating him, rather than telling him man, you

1335
01:51:35.199 --> 01:51:36.960
' re the one who does things. Well, now you' re having

1336
01:51:36.960 --> 01:51:40.560
these feelings. Don' t be
a kid or don' t be a

1337
01:51:40.560 --> 01:51:42.119
kid before you do this. What
you have to do is sit next to

1338
01:51:42.199 --> 01:51:45.720
him and tell him everything about me
has always been yours. And I never

1339
01:51:45.840 --> 01:51:48.039
say no to you, because I
know you' re responsible. I never

1340
01:51:48.159 --> 01:51:50.479
tell you what you have to do
because you' re already going to do

1341
01:51:50.479 --> 01:51:54.520
it. And this comforts my heart
and makes me feel like you' re

1342
01:51:54.600 --> 01:51:57.920
a good son and I love you
for it. But that doesn' t

1343
01:51:58.520 --> 01:52:00.760
mean I don' t love your
little brother too, even if I do

1344
01:52:00.760 --> 01:52:03.760
things wrong. I don' t
accept what I do, what he does

1345
01:52:03.840 --> 01:52:08.640
for that I penalize and punish him, but that doesn' t mean he

1346
01:52:08.760 --> 01:52:10.800
doesn' t love him. I
love him exactly the same. And the

1347
01:52:10.880 --> 01:52:13.800
day you stop doing things right and
the day you, for some reason,

1348
01:52:13.920 --> 01:52:16.520
don' t want to do something
right or don' t want to behave

1349
01:52:16.520 --> 01:52:20.479
yourself. I will continue to love
you that reflection, which is the one

1350
01:52:20.560 --> 01:52:25.159
made by the son, the father, the eldest son, in this parable

1351
01:52:25.159 --> 01:52:28.439
of the prodigal son. This reflection
is the reflection that we should give to

1352
01:52:28.600 --> 01:52:31.000
our young adults with Dad. Of
course it' s telling him I remember.

1353
01:52:31.399 --> 01:52:34.000
It' s true he' s
doing better, but that doesn'

1354
01:52:34.119 --> 01:52:36.880
t make me love him any more
or less, I mean, not exactly

1355
01:52:36.880 --> 01:52:40.319
the same. And the day you
can' t do that job, I

1356
01:52:40.399 --> 01:52:44.000
' ll still love you the same
way. That will bring tranquility and pass

1357
01:52:44.079 --> 01:52:47.279
into the heart of the eldest son
who is often playing that role because he

1358
01:52:47.359 --> 01:52:50.000
believes that if he does not,
he will not have the love of his

1359
01:52:50.000 --> 01:52:54.840
parents. Sure, well, the
truth is this is a lot. He

1360
01:52:54.960 --> 01:52:59.159
has given of his own, but
he gives much of himself colus between brothers

1361
01:52:59.319 --> 01:53:05.439
and common how to deal with these
situations and between brothers and sisters at different

1362
01:53:05.479 --> 01:53:10.800
ages, as I have addressed and
I believe it has become more than clear,

1363
01:53:11.239 --> 01:53:17.600
well, dear ayudit Thank you very
much for the abundant and clear and

1364
01:53:17.800 --> 01:53:21.359
very descriptive explanation of a subject as
delicate as this. Thank you for being

1365
01:53:21.479 --> 01:53:26.039
there, for letting me lift you
up in good weeks more. Thank you

1366
01:53:26.039 --> 01:53:56.960
very much, thank you always.
Good hug, the man of life I

1367
01:53:57.319 --> 01:54:20.319
love with us the or, the
name, the leave Jesus. It is

1368
01:54:20.840 --> 01:54:38.039
only possible for you to rescue the
name I said Jesus n is amazing and

1369
01:54:39.840 --> 01:54:48.119
bring truth, the God, the
God of rustling hears that it is that

1370
01:54:48.239 --> 01:55:06.079
worships him inspires you I give above
all man riyas pate. Jesus that there

1371
01:55:09.640 --> 01:55:26.000
is no other name give man Jesus
c are lord or c for give me

1372
01:55:26.159 --> 01:55:32.720
the square to Christ Jesus in we
leap from a high ra in your man,

1373
01:55:36.039 --> 01:55:48.960
man of Jesus. He loves to
be one of the dark ones and

1374
01:55:49.399 --> 01:56:04.800
the bottle of Jesus. Tunceola see
me because as of God, I move

1375
01:56:05.000 --> 01:56:25.560
to death in the other one you
do not do to sing for li sora

1376
01:56:25.760 --> 01:56:39.159
lenas so big that of lion man, the book and the ready to go

1377
01:56:39.840 --> 01:56:56.239
to men is subject to this not
about or rhymes. So, I think

1378
01:56:56.479 --> 01:57:30.840
this came another given the men who
are Lord or go like this. The

1379
01:57:30.760 --> 01:58:15.920
ra tiem you eat laugh, not
ours very well or even the zero I

1380
01:58:15.000 --> 01:58:57.199
understand what egg, or or or
or or or especially on the sras your

1381
01:58:57.359 --> 01:59:04.720
breath more pestilent. Thank you those
lungs, blacker, thank you not your

1382
01:59:04.840 --> 01:59:14.000
twenty days less life, thank you
the most damaged our smokers, thank you

1383
01:59:14.039 --> 01:59:18.359
the ruteras that surround you most affected, thank you, thank you for not

1384
01:59:18.399 --> 01:59:30.920
smoking Ministry of Health and I consume
the train of life, an exciting journey

1385
01:59:30.039 --> 01:59:56.520
along the routes of the heart,
an unforgettable trip at the pace of trem

1386
01:59:56.600 --> 02:00:00.000
Lords and gentlemen, we have Dr
Luis Carballosa, in direct line, with

1387
02:00:00.119 --> 02:00:04.000
the train of life Genesis, the
Book of Origins, a book with which

1388
02:00:04.079 --> 02:00:11.760
very few have dared. Well,
that' s where we have it in

1389
02:00:11.800 --> 02:00:14.399
direct line gerballo, that is,
when we talk about genesis. When we

1390
02:00:14.439 --> 02:00:20.319
talk about genesis, some speak of
Genesis with a somewhat stupefied mind, because

1391
02:00:20.399 --> 02:00:27.600
it is a book that simplifies the
basic stories of the beginnings of mankind.

1392
02:00:27.680 --> 02:00:33.039
No, but the first eleven chapters
of genesis are one of the most interesting

1393
02:00:33.159 --> 02:00:39.800
to understand why of all things.
But some have questioned them. They have

1394
02:00:39.800 --> 02:00:47.680
said that they are somewhat allegorical chapters
and bibliographic simulations that what we can say

1395
02:00:47.800 --> 02:00:55.560
first of all. But when someone
does not want to believe, he always

1396
02:00:55.720 --> 02:01:01.000
appeals to that kind of language and
to that kind of rule. There is

1397
02:01:02.079 --> 02:01:11.079
nothing allegorical about the genesis, and
honestly, without Genesis nothing could be understood

1398
02:01:11.319 --> 02:01:19.720
about the Bible, the foundation When
you build a building, you have to

1399
02:01:20.600 --> 02:01:30.159
lay solid foundations. If you cannot
build it on top, genesis is the

1400
02:01:30.399 --> 02:01:34.039
foundation of the rest of the Bible. Everything the rest of the Bible says

1401
02:01:34.159 --> 02:01:44.159
is credible and established, it is
based on the book of Genesis. Genesis

1402
02:01:44.279 --> 02:01:53.399
begins with an emphatic, majestic,
glorious way, saying in the beginning God

1403
02:01:53.880 --> 02:01:59.880
created the heavens and the earth.
It never questions the existence of God.

1404
02:02:00.840 --> 02:02:05.119
And there' s the base.
July, because if one believes in a

1405
02:02:05.239 --> 02:02:15.000
living, true omnipotent God, a
God of purpose, a sovereign God has

1406
02:02:15.199 --> 02:02:23.159
no problem in understanding that the whole
Universe is the product of his creative power.

1407
02:02:23.840 --> 02:02:30.000
He spoke the creation, how interesting
God spoke and what he said was

1408
02:02:30.079 --> 02:02:36.439
done. Right. That' s
right and not in a long process of

1409
02:02:36.439 --> 02:02:45.800
time. God spoke and instantly all
things were done. In the Book of

1410
02:02:45.960 --> 02:02:50.279
Genesis in our Bible it says that
God said be the light. That'

1411
02:02:50.399 --> 02:02:55.960
s a little soft way to put
it. What the original text says is

1412
02:02:56.600 --> 02:03:01.760
that God gave a command. God
told him I know as if someone tells

1413
02:03:02.079 --> 02:03:10.119
you Julio stand up or Julio comes
out this door. Well, that'

1414
02:03:10.239 --> 02:03:13.239
s how God did it. God
gave an order, God said light.

1415
02:03:14.359 --> 02:03:20.960
C and light was not through an
evolutionary process of millions of years. Didn

1416
02:03:21.119 --> 02:03:33.199
' t God instantly do all things? Instantally what interesting carballosa? The story

1417
02:03:33.319 --> 02:03:39.279
of Good since Genesis, especially of
the first three chapters, the story of

1418
02:03:39.399 --> 02:03:44.000
the creation of all things in a
simunae way, with an explanation as usual,

1419
02:03:45.520 --> 02:03:50.399
Semitic, simplified, not, but
very direct, very concrete. And

1420
02:03:50.760 --> 02:03:58.239
after the beginning of the first state
of the human being and before the creation

1421
02:03:58.319 --> 02:04:00.880
of all things, and then the
immediate fall of man by his disobedience,

1422
02:04:01.159 --> 02:04:06.159
of man and woman, understand his
disobedience to God and from there history begins

1423
02:04:06.199 --> 02:04:16.279
to happen truth. Yes, God
created man in holiness and righteousness, but

1424
02:04:16.279 --> 02:04:25.920
that holiness and justice had to be
tested. God tested man, and God

1425
02:04:26.079 --> 02:04:35.159
did so tremendously. God placed in
the center of the garden, God placed

1426
02:04:35.359 --> 02:04:43.000
the tree of life that represents the
obe, represents communion, communion with God.

1427
02:04:43.920 --> 02:04:48.119
And in the very place of the
center of the garden, God set

1428
02:04:48.239 --> 02:04:53.920
up a tree called knowledge, good, and evil. And that speaks of

1429
02:04:54.039 --> 02:05:00.880
obedience. Man, the human being, has a responsibility to obey God and

1430
02:05:00.000 --> 02:05:06.399
that is precisely what he did not
do. God created man to worship and

1431
02:05:06.479 --> 02:05:12.680
obey him and to make man a
kind of viceroy of God on earth.

1432
02:05:16.039 --> 02:05:23.199
And man needs to depend on God, and that is precisely what man did.

1433
02:05:24.680 --> 02:05:30.880
Man let himself be guided in this
case says the scripture Eve was deceived,

1434
02:05:31.760 --> 02:05:39.800
but Adam deliberately disobeyed God. And
that' s the thing. Adam,

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02:05:40.000 --> 02:05:45.600
the man, the responsible one that
God had deliberately put into the orchard,

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02:05:46.159 --> 02:05:53.279
not by deception, but by an
exercise of his will. That'

1437
02:05:53.399 --> 02:06:00.520
s called free will. Adam made
use of his free will and what he

1438
02:06:00.640 --> 02:06:06.279
did was disobey God. Flee from
God. He wanted to escape God,

1439
02:06:06.920 --> 02:06:15.560
and God had to go after him
and ask Adam where Caramba is. From

1440
02:06:15.680 --> 02:06:26.239
there comes the moral catastrophe of man, man and carballous woman. Some ignore

1441
02:06:26.319 --> 02:06:30.800
that the history of patriarchs, in
tents of patriarchs, including Abraham Moses and

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02:06:31.199 --> 02:06:36.560
the patriarchs of the twelve tribes,
the patriarchs of faith from the origins of

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02:06:36.960 --> 02:06:45.239
the principles of biblical history are part
of the real history of mankind. Or

1444
02:06:45.279 --> 02:06:48.159
it' s a fictional story,
as some think. No. That'

1445
02:06:48.319 --> 02:06:53.600
s not part of the story.
Everything that the Bible says July is real.

1446
02:06:54.800 --> 02:07:00.600
There is no mythology in the Bible. The orchard was a concrete place

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02:07:00.880 --> 02:07:09.399
where man had plenty of everything.
Adam was the first man God created And

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02:07:09.920 --> 02:07:14.199
not only does the Book of Genesis
say so, the rest of the Bible

1449
02:07:14.279 --> 02:07:18.920
says. The rest of the Bible
says that the first man was Adam.

1450
02:07:19.279 --> 02:07:26.520
He was made a living being by
God, a soul, a being,

1451
02:07:27.039 --> 02:07:32.920
a living person, and says the
scripture that through that man' s disobedience

1452
02:07:33.000 --> 02:07:40.000
sin entered and through sin death,
and death passed to all men. For

1453
02:07:40.159 --> 02:07:49.199
all sinned in Adam. God created
all mankind tacitly implicitly in Adam were you

1454
02:07:49.720 --> 02:07:57.319
and I. And when Adam sinned
you and I sinned. When Adam disobeyed

1455
02:07:57.840 --> 02:08:03.239
you and I disobeyed. The whole
human race disobeyed and fell into Adam.

1456
02:08:05.239 --> 02:08:11.880
And Adam' s sin is our
sin. We are sinners because we sin

1457
02:08:13.039 --> 02:08:18.239
when Adam sinned I sinned. When
Adam disobeyed God, I disobeyed God.

1458
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That is what the Bible teaches and
the characters in the Bible are not fictitious.

1459
02:08:24.760 --> 02:08:31.920
All these names are noted in history
from the beginning, the children of

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02:08:33.119 --> 02:08:37.399
Adam and Eve, Cain and Abel, those who follow him in chapter five,

1461
02:08:37.640 --> 02:08:41.680
All that list that appears there and
then the humanity that was corrupted in

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02:08:41.840 --> 02:08:48.079
chapters six and seven of Genesis,
by which God had to judge mankind by

1463
02:08:48.239 --> 02:08:54.720
means of a universal flood, not
a small flood, but a flood that

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02:08:54.920 --> 02:09:03.159
covered all the earth. That is
what the Book of Genesis tells us.

1465
02:09:03.159 --> 02:09:05.720
And that' s what it is. Therefore, as you rightly said,

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02:09:07.199 --> 02:09:11.439
dear Julius, the Book of Genesis
is the book of principles, the beginning

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02:09:11.560 --> 02:09:16.520
of creation, the beginning of the
universe, the beginning of history, the

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02:09:18.119 --> 02:09:24.319
beginning of time, the beginning of
man, the beginning of human sin and

1469
02:09:24.800 --> 02:09:30.239
also the beginning of the plan of
salvation, because with the fall of man,

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02:09:30.600 --> 02:09:37.199
God also presents a plan of salvation. And that plan of salvation is

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02:09:37.439 --> 02:09:43.079
by faith is by the grace of
God so that the human being puts his

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02:09:43.680 --> 02:09:50.439
faith in the one living and true
God so it is carballous. One of

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02:09:50.479 --> 02:09:56.640
the most exciting, most emotional stories
of the Book of Genesis is the story

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02:09:56.720 --> 02:10:03.479
of Joseph and especially the story of
Joseph' s reunion with his brothers and

1475
02:10:03.520 --> 02:10:07.119
Joseph' s pre- eminence in
Egypt. That' s right. That

1476
02:10:07.439 --> 02:10:16.399
gives us to understand God’ s
tremendous providence. Joseph' s brothers,

1477
02:10:16.680 --> 02:10:24.720
who were not good men, were
evil boys, envied their own brother and

1478
02:10:24.600 --> 02:10:31.960
sold him to merchants to get rid
of him because they envied him. But

1479
02:10:33.079 --> 02:10:37.520
they did not know that all this
was the product of God' s plan,

1480
02:10:37.720 --> 02:10:41.279
it was the product of God'
s hand. Or Egypt was sold

1481
02:10:41.399 --> 02:10:48.880
by merchants. He was sold to
potiphar who was an employee, he was

1482
02:10:48.680 --> 02:10:56.079
an officer of the Pharaoh of Egypt
and as soon as Joseph was there in

1483
02:10:56.680 --> 02:11:05.960
the house of fotitifr that man began
to prosper the presence of Joseph caused him

1484
02:11:05.960 --> 02:11:11.800
to potentiate, to prosper tremendously.
But satan Julius is always present the wife

1485
02:11:11.960 --> 02:11:18.560
of pupotiphar. He wanted to conquer
Joseph and Joseph refused or went to jail.

1486
02:11:20.239 --> 02:11:24.000
And again there is the providence of
God, For being in prison,

1487
02:11:24.279 --> 02:11:28.640
Joseph becomes as the chief almost of
the prison, by his character, by

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02:11:28.880 --> 02:11:33.680
his goodness, by his honesty.
And there two men go to prison,

1489
02:11:35.239 --> 02:11:41.520
the king' s cupbearer and the
king' s baker. And these men

1490
02:11:43.039 --> 02:11:54.279
dream dreams that Joseph interprets, and
the cupbearer is set free, the baker

1491
02:11:54.399 --> 02:12:00.640
is executed, but the cupbearer forgets
Joseph until one day Pharaoh also had dreams,

1492
02:12:01.239 --> 02:12:07.399
the famous dreams of the lean cows
and fat cows and of the ears

1493
02:12:07.560 --> 02:12:18.000
in just and full ears, and
Joseph was taken out of prison. They

1494
02:12:18.079 --> 02:12:24.119
interpret Pharaoh' s dreams and that' s why Joshua is going to become

1495
02:12:24.600 --> 02:12:31.039
the second in command. He was
only above him Pharaoh, by character,

1496
02:12:31.479 --> 02:12:37.119
by wisdom, by what God had
done in Joseph' s life. And

1497
02:12:37.199 --> 02:12:41.439
then the Bible account says that there
was a famine in all the land and

1498
02:12:41.520 --> 02:12:46.960
the people had to go to buy
food there in Egypt, which was where

1499
02:12:46.520 --> 02:12:52.760
there was food, because Joseph had
wisely planned it. Joseph' s brothers

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02:12:52.920 --> 02:12:56.920
were already dressed and there was a
tremendous encounter between Joseph and his brothers.

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02:12:58.560 --> 02:13:03.640
The brothers thought Joseph was going to
take revenge on them, but Joseph told

1502
02:13:03.720 --> 02:13:09.279
him not to worry. You worry
about what you wanted to do for evil.

1503
02:13:09.920 --> 02:13:15.399
God has turned it back for good, so we see God' s

1504
02:13:15.760 --> 02:13:22.560
tremendous wisdom there. Or I know
it was an instrument of God to save

1505
02:13:22.640 --> 02:13:28.960
practically mankind from those times. And
all that was July by the sovereign grace

1506
02:13:28.159 --> 02:13:33.520
of God and by the sovereign will
of God. Or less like that.

1507
02:13:33.680 --> 02:13:37.359
That' s right, it'
s Carballosa. It is a good book

1508
02:13:37.760 --> 02:13:43.199
for lovers of the Bible, since
we take it for granted that we read

1509
02:13:43.359 --> 02:13:48.159
genesis and read it in all books. But for friends who approach the Bible

1510
02:13:48.199 --> 02:13:54.880
timidly occasionally the book of genesis,
which can suppose their reading. Well,

1511
02:13:56.159 --> 02:13:58.399
look. I' ve been thinking
about that a lot. I' m

1512
02:13:58.479 --> 02:14:03.359
glad you asked that question. Many
times I have been asked in the past,

1513
02:14:05.399 --> 02:14:09.359
when someone wants to read the Bible
where it should begin. I told

1514
02:14:09.479 --> 02:14:13.760
him good that he should begin with
the Gospel of John, or with the

1515
02:14:13.880 --> 02:14:18.199
Book of Acts or with the Epistle
to the Romans. But I don'

1516
02:14:18.399 --> 02:14:24.760
t do that anymore. Now I
tell people to start reading the Book of

1517
02:14:24.920 --> 02:14:30.800
Genesis, because that' s so
they can understand the rest of the Bible.

1518
02:14:31.920 --> 02:14:37.359
You have to start there by reading
about God. What kind of God

1519
02:14:37.800 --> 02:14:43.920
is God. He is an almighty
wise God, He is a God who

1520
02:14:43.239 --> 02:14:48.000
has clans you are, a god
of righteousness, he is a god of

1521
02:14:48.760 --> 02:14:54.039
love, he is a God of
mercy, but he is also a God

1522
02:14:54.039 --> 02:14:58.039
who hates sin. And that has
been demonstrated through all that God does in

1523
02:14:58.199 --> 02:15:05.239
the Bible so much mercy. He
called Abraham of Ur of the Chaldeans.

1524
02:15:05.439 --> 02:15:11.720
When Abraham was an idolater to God
he sovereignly called him and saved him and

1525
02:15:11.840 --> 02:15:18.039
made tremendous promises to him. Abraham, Abraham had no children, but God

1526
02:15:18.159 --> 02:15:20.960
said I will give you a seed. And God gave it to him.

1527
02:15:20.720 --> 02:15:26.119
Abraham had no land, and God
gave him a land. And God gave

1528
02:15:26.199 --> 02:15:31.960
Isaac, and gave Isaac, and
gave Jacob, and gave Jacob twelve patriarchs.

1529
02:15:33.640 --> 02:15:39.279
And of that, among those twelve
patriarchs was Judah and from Judah came

1530
02:15:39.479 --> 02:15:48.439
Jesus the Messiah to that who his
name is Jesus, for he will save

1531
02:15:48.600 --> 02:15:54.720
his people from their sins. And
that is why I recommend to everyone who

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02:15:54.800 --> 02:15:58.920
wants to read the Bible, to
begin reading the Book of Genesis, to

1533
02:16:00.760 --> 02:16:05.720
know that the Book of Genesis is
not myth, that the Book of Genesis

1534
02:16:05.880 --> 02:16:11.439
is reality, that it is history, and that there is all the biblical

1535
02:16:11.640 --> 02:16:16.000
doctrine, and there is the doctrine
of the trinity, the doctrine of God

1536
02:16:16.159 --> 02:16:20.479
' s grace, the doctrine of
God' s righteousness, of God'

1537
02:16:20.600 --> 02:16:24.920
s love, and there is even
what God is going to do in the

1538
02:16:24.920 --> 02:16:30.840
future. It says there in chapter
forty- nine, Jacob said to Judah,

1539
02:16:31.239 --> 02:16:35.440
the father of Jesus, the cestro, will not depart from Judah or

1540
02:16:37.159 --> 02:16:41.040
the law giver from between his feet, until Shiloh comes and to him will

1541
02:16:43.159 --> 02:16:48.319
gather in the people if Jesus is, because Jesus is the one who has

1542
02:16:48.520 --> 02:16:58.200
the right to reign. He is
the one whom God sent He is the

1543
02:16:58.440 --> 02:17:03.040
seed of the woman. He is
the God made flesh, he is the

1544
02:17:03.239 --> 02:17:07.760
God who came, who died on
the cross for our sins, who resurrected

1545
02:17:07.799 --> 02:17:13.399
two the dead, who ascended to
heaven and who one day will come with

1546
02:17:13.719 --> 02:17:20.479
power, glory and majesty to put
order in this world. We learn all

1547
02:17:20.559 --> 02:17:26.040
that through the Book of Genesis.
And not only do I recommend that believers

1548
02:17:26.559 --> 02:17:31.000
read the Book of Genesis. Dear
Julio, I recommend to the pastors,

1549
02:17:31.680 --> 02:17:37.239
the preachers to preach the message of
the Book of the Génese. So it

1550
02:17:39.319 --> 02:17:45.920
is interesting and a Council more than
pertinent for this time to return to the

1551
02:17:46.079 --> 02:17:50.360
origins of everything in the Book of
Genesis, for this one I want to

1552
02:17:50.520 --> 02:17:54.959
thank You Julius and I thank God
for you dear brother, for your Ministry,

1553
02:17:54.840 --> 02:17:58.600
for your team, for the way
God uses you I give you.

1554
02:17:58.680 --> 02:18:03.680
Thank you. Thank God for your
friendship. Thank you also for your love

1555
02:18:03.799 --> 02:18:05.840
for God' s people. Thank
you for your life, Dear, July,

1556
02:18:07.399 --> 02:18:09.399
Thank you, Dr Caraballosa. All
right, Julio, a big hug,

1557
02:18:09.760 --> 02:18:13.600
a hug all the time, Dr
Carballosa, I love you so much.

1558
02:18:13.799 --> 02:18:39.239
Thank you, Gras, dear.
You will already see signs in the

1559
02:18:39.319 --> 02:18:43.920
discography, indicating that after birth you
may have problems of integration or difficulties in

1560
02:18:43.000 --> 02:18:48.239
exercising professions of responsibility and even situations
in which your physical integrity or your life

1561
02:18:48.319 --> 02:18:52.399
is endangered. But what' s
it about, Doctor, you' re

1562
02:18:52.559 --> 02:18:54.440
gonna have a little girl. Discrimination
against women in society here goes into abuse

1563
02:18:54.479 --> 02:18:58.799
and injustice and ill- treatment.
Don' t let them get into action

1564
02:18:58.840 --> 02:19:30.360
with Amnesty International Traveling on the train
of life hello. Very welcome to Digital

1565
02:19:30.600 --> 02:19:33.399
Protestant. One more day, we
are in this interview space, in which

1566
02:19:33.479 --> 02:19:39.879
we are receiving different people to discuss
also topics. I always believe of interest

1567
02:19:39.280 --> 02:19:43.360
and in this case we come to
talk about an important anniversary and also an

1568
02:19:43.399 --> 02:19:48.920
event, but also a movement is
called the Lausanne Movement. Surely many of

1569
02:19:50.159 --> 02:19:54.840
our readers can know it, because
really in Protestant Digital we are publishing very

1570
02:19:54.920 --> 02:19:58.440
often things that come from the Lausanne
Movement or that are related. And this

1571
02:19:58.440 --> 02:20:03.399
is because Rea is a movement that
is important, that is important to the

1572
02:20:03.479 --> 02:20:07.920
evangelicals, and we are going to
comment today on aspects of Lausanne with Jau

1573
02:20:07.920 --> 02:20:13.479
Mayennas. He is the national coordinator
in Spain of the Lausanne Movement, who

1574
02:20:13.520 --> 02:20:16.319
we already welcome, already or more
thanks for being with us the fegra.

1575
02:20:16.719 --> 02:20:22.079
On the contrary, it is a
privilege to be in digital Protestant with all

1576
02:20:22.200 --> 02:20:28.280
the fantastic things you do every day
to bring us up- to- date

1577
02:20:28.280 --> 02:20:31.120
information and connect with reality. Thank
you, Well, thank you Jauma for

1578
02:20:31.120 --> 02:20:35.000
those words. And we are really, as we said, on the threshold

1579
02:20:35.079 --> 02:20:41.360
of holding the fourth Lausanne Congress.
This will take place in September. It

1580
02:20:41.559 --> 02:20:43.719
will be in Seoul and there,
then we' ll talk a little bit

1581
02:20:43.799 --> 02:20:48.840
about the details, but thousands of
people from all over the world will be

1582
02:20:48.040 --> 02:20:52.440
gathering there for a week. But
really the Lausanne movement is not something that

1583
02:20:52.680 --> 02:20:54.360
has just been born is already fifty
years old. In fact, this two

1584
02:20:54.399 --> 02:20:58.920
thousand twenty- four is the 50th
anniversary of that congress that was held in

1585
02:20:58.920 --> 02:21:03.680
Switzerland. And that is why he
is the man of Lausanne and since then

1586
02:21:03.760 --> 02:21:07.360
he is a movement that has served
as a catalyst for mission momentum throughout the

1587
02:21:07.440 --> 02:21:13.319
world. So the first thing would
be to tell us a little bit how

1588
02:21:13.319 --> 02:21:18.559
it started, with what objectives this
Lausanne movement. A little before seventy-

1589
02:21:18.040 --> 02:21:22.440
four, about sixty- six sixty- eight, Billie Gran, the great

1590
02:21:22.440 --> 02:21:28.840
evangelist of the twentieth century, begins
to think about the possibility of bringing together

1591
02:21:28.920 --> 02:21:35.799
a smaller previous conference of evangelization here
in Europe, in Berlin, Amsterdam.

1592
02:21:37.440 --> 02:21:43.799
Then start gathering people who start thinking
about something much bigger. He, who

1593
02:21:43.000 --> 02:21:50.000
is a practical evangelist, seeks the
support of one of the great theologians,

1594
02:21:50.079 --> 02:21:52.920
of the great men of reference of
the twentieth century, who was John Stott,

1595
02:21:54.319 --> 02:22:00.959
and the two together will prepare that
Congress of World Evangelization of MNS one

1596
02:22:01.000 --> 02:22:05.000
thousand nine hundred and seventy- four. This gives the two souls of the

1597
02:22:05.120 --> 02:22:09.280
osana. The bear has a practical
evangelistic soul. All those who are in

1598
02:22:09.399 --> 02:22:13.639
the field, in evangelization, in
the mission directly plus all those who carry

1599
02:22:13.760 --> 02:22:18.479
out the reflection on evangelization and mission, and they come together and begin to

1600
02:22:18.520 --> 02:22:22.760
think of something more polycentric, something
that today, this word they did not

1601
02:22:22.799 --> 02:22:28.799
know. It is a word of
our time, but they do begin to

1602
02:22:28.319 --> 02:22:33.280
think not only of the United States, not only of Europe, but of

1603
02:22:33.360 --> 02:22:37.920
where else the mission is being given
and they begin to see all the emerging

1604
02:22:37.959 --> 02:22:43.280
force that Latin America had at the
time. They bring people like Renepadillas,

1605
02:22:43.639 --> 02:22:48.399
Master, Escobar and others from Latin
America, but also people from Africa,

1606
02:22:48.040 --> 02:22:54.399
people from Asia and they hold a
world conference on evangelization and begin to think

1607
02:22:54.520 --> 02:23:00.319
about how to do it, what
is the methodology of the Congress that will

1608
02:23:00.399 --> 02:23:03.559
inspire the saint to this day and
they, instead of saying that whoever wants

1609
02:23:03.680 --> 02:23:05.719
to be pointed out, what they
do is of no. We' re

1610
02:23:05.879 --> 02:23:09.159
not going to select who we want
to come. The procedure is the other

1611
02:23:09.840 --> 02:23:13.440
way around who should be here.
And they begin to make invitations and from

1612
02:23:13.479 --> 02:23:18.840
these invitations arises the concept of people
of influence, which continues today modulating what

1613
02:23:18.879 --> 02:23:24.200
is Lausanne, not gathering ideas and
people of influence for the world mission.

1614
02:23:28.559 --> 02:23:33.639
And this is what has produced a
whole movement around the world of reflection and

1615
02:23:33.920 --> 02:23:39.840
action in the mission. It'
s not that the Usana does anything,

1616
02:23:39.120 --> 02:23:43.399
but that Lausanne is going to say
that what it does is to put together,

1617
02:23:43.680 --> 02:23:48.159
is to put up a dance floor
so that all those who are reflecting

1618
02:23:48.600 --> 02:23:52.079
and all those who are doing can
have time together to see how to advance

1619
02:23:52.079 --> 02:23:58.559
the Kingdom. The progress made in
the Lausanne movement is tremendous. From there,

1620
02:23:58.280 --> 02:24:05.920
there are a lot of new situations
that still reach us today. That

1621
02:24:05.959 --> 02:24:09.319
' s how the Hay movement is
born? Why is the LAUSSA movement born?

1622
02:24:11.840 --> 02:24:15.239
The truth is that it is very
interesting to see that beginning and how

1623
02:24:15.319 --> 02:24:22.000
it has developed over time. It
is clear that the impact has been,

1624
02:24:22.280 --> 02:24:26.000
as you said now, very important
in aspects such as the concept of broadcasting.

1625
02:24:28.280 --> 02:24:31.639
But what could we say that it
has meant for the evangelical world to

1626
02:24:31.760 --> 02:24:35.840
have this movement in motion during these
fifty years. The truth is that it

1627
02:24:35.959 --> 02:24:43.959
has been prophetic in that sense and
I say so in terms of the growth

1628
02:24:43.079 --> 02:24:46.799
of the gospel throughout the world.
In seventy- four we will say that

1629
02:24:46.840 --> 02:24:50.399
the impact of the evangelicals was still
beginning. But today, the evangelical movement

1630
02:24:50.479 --> 02:24:56.600
is the fastest growing movement worldwide in
all that is the religious sphere. Nothing

1631
02:24:56.799 --> 02:25:03.760
has a movement as growing as the
evangelical world and began with very concrete aspects.

1632
02:25:03.879 --> 02:25:09.559
For example, up to a thousand
nine hundred and seventy- four,

1633
02:25:09.200 --> 02:25:13.399
the Pentecostal movement was a lateral movement, not a movement that was counted within

1634
02:25:13.399 --> 02:25:18.120
the evangelical movement. Note that even
today, so many millions of Pentecostals are

1635
02:25:18.280 --> 02:25:26.280
said to be evangelical in world religious
statistics. But Billy gram and John This

1636
02:25:26.399 --> 02:25:35.479
was seen as the Pentecostal movement,
as part of the evangelical movement, to

1637
02:25:35.840 --> 02:25:41.760
invite them for the first time to
a great world congress so that they would

1638
02:25:41.760 --> 02:25:43.920
be present. And today we are
one body. This is what is the

1639
02:25:45.120 --> 02:25:48.120
wish of the Lord of Unity of
the Church, but also the desire to

1640
02:25:48.559 --> 02:25:52.520
work together, because we preach the
same Gospel. We' re no different.

1641
02:25:52.879 --> 02:25:58.399
Pentecostals are evangelicals. This vision is
new. This vision we give for

1642
02:25:58.479 --> 02:26:03.959
center day, of course, that
Pentecostals. But it was not so until

1643
02:26:03.000 --> 02:26:07.000
the year seventy- four. The
concept, as you said, the concept

1644
02:26:07.840 --> 02:26:11.000
of emission, is a new concept
for us, until time had come,

1645
02:26:11.120 --> 02:26:16.600
after the Second World War, a
great disappointment, after the First and Second

1646
02:26:16.600 --> 02:26:20.959
World Wars, a great disappointment within
the Christian movement, which had produced a

1647
02:26:20.959 --> 02:26:26.639
let- off of everything that is
part of the mission, of the demonstration

1648
02:26:26.680 --> 02:26:31.319
of the Gospel. Not only and
then we begin to talk a lot about

1649
02:26:31.440 --> 02:26:37.799
preaching the Gospel of proclamation. But
they reach those theologians of the South,

1650
02:26:37.360 --> 02:26:41.600
those theologians of Latin America, who
begin to introduce us into a new concept

1651
02:26:41.840 --> 02:26:48.559
that is an integral mission, that
the mission is not only proclamation, but

1652
02:26:48.719 --> 02:26:52.079
that proclamation comes together. In the
Gospel of Jesus Christ, with demonstration.

1653
02:26:52.239 --> 02:26:56.840
Jesus not only preaches, Jesus not
only teaches, but Jesus teaches and heals

1654
02:26:58.000 --> 02:27:03.639
on some occasions, only healthy on
some occasions only proclaims and on many occasions

1655
02:27:03.719 --> 02:27:07.360
heals and proclaims at once. And
that makes us see that our Gospel is

1656
02:27:07.440 --> 02:27:11.680
much more. What an impact it
has had on us today, a huge

1657
02:27:11.760 --> 02:27:16.360
impact has had in the year nineteen
hundred and seventy- four. The churches

1658
02:27:16.879 --> 02:27:20.319
did not want to hear about what
was social. The churches had completely departed

1659
02:27:20.440 --> 02:27:24.600
from something that Christianity had had within
them over the centuries and the churches had

1660
02:27:24.639 --> 02:27:31.120
ceased to have that social impact.
But from then on, which church today

1661
02:27:31.239 --> 02:27:33.920
does not have a social branch,
which Church does not have a social work.

1662
02:27:35.879 --> 02:27:41.200
How many evangelical NGOs have been created
for the demonstration of the gospel.

1663
02:27:41.680 --> 02:27:45.600
This is huge. In the evangelists
we are investing in today an enormous amount

1664
02:27:45.760 --> 02:27:50.520
of our resources, because we think
not that this is a collateral thing,

1665
02:27:50.120 --> 02:27:54.120
but that this is also the gospel. In Spain, the social work of

1666
02:27:54.159 --> 02:28:00.000
the evangelicals, in the fifth global
social work of the Gospels of all two,

1667
02:28:00.239 --> 02:28:05.639
the country is the evangelical. Not
concepts like ethnic groups, not reached.

1668
02:28:05.680 --> 02:28:11.639
This is a sketch that for us
today is normal. It' s

1669
02:28:11.799 --> 02:28:15.159
common to talk about this. But
this is born in the OSAN movement and

1670
02:28:15.680 --> 02:28:20.200
we could go on to say concept
after concept not of those who have arisen

1671
02:28:20.280 --> 02:28:24.159
by putting the right people in the
right place to discuss issues between us that

1672
02:28:24.239 --> 02:28:28.719
have produced such practical effects as,
for example, that from seventy- four

1673
02:28:28.799 --> 02:28:33.360
until now, thirty percent of the
unachieved ethnic groups have already been reached with

1674
02:28:33.440 --> 02:28:39.639
the Clauste Gospel. It is an
advance of the brutal Gospel. This is

1675
02:28:39.719 --> 02:28:43.319
coming to the dream of the Lord
who was that all people had the opportunity

1676
02:28:43.399 --> 02:28:48.360
to respond to the Gospel. Of
course, 74 are specially set up so

1677
02:28:48.959 --> 02:28:54.639
that the great task that remains for
us, those unfulfilled ethnic groups, can

1678
02:28:54.120 --> 02:29:00.840
be reached by two thousand and fifty. Not then is it a lot of

1679
02:29:00.840 --> 02:29:05.479
things, as you have told us
now, not and the obviously visible impacts,

1680
02:29:05.920 --> 02:29:09.079
especially when you see them with the
perspective of time, you notice them

1681
02:29:09.079 --> 02:29:11.600
much more, because sometimes, of
course, it is not a Congress that

1682
02:29:11.799 --> 02:29:16.760
has perhaps an immediate impact, but
it goes, as a little bit,

1683
02:29:16.920 --> 02:29:20.159
to the point of what it has
to do with the reflection that is then

1684
02:29:20.360 --> 02:29:24.520
carried out at the level of denominations, at the level of local churches,

1685
02:29:24.000 --> 02:29:26.559
at the regional level. In fact, it is also interesting to see that

1686
02:29:26.600 --> 02:29:31.360
the use movement has had this development
at the regional level and also at the

1687
02:29:31.440 --> 02:29:35.399
country level at the local level.
For example, here in Spain. Tell

1688
02:29:35.479 --> 02:29:41.120
us a little bit? How it
has also developed at these levels since always,

1689
02:29:43.159 --> 02:29:46.079
what is the movement of beautiful global
obsanation, a movement that has joined

1690
02:29:46.159 --> 02:29:50.000
forces on a global level. But
it is also having, and this is

1691
02:29:50.120 --> 02:29:56.399
more recent, a regional plasmaation.
The Lausanne movement is divided into twelve regions.

1692
02:29:58.280 --> 02:30:03.600
He has a vision, but he
also has a vision of strategic fields,

1693
02:30:03.879 --> 02:30:07.159
that is, of what subjects he
has to discuss. And especially after

1694
02:30:07.200 --> 02:30:11.760
two thousand and ten in Cape Town, what is called within the Edwards Sonnaission

1695
02:30:11.760 --> 02:30:16.719
movement, i e, the index
themes, themes of which he is talking

1696
02:30:16.760 --> 02:30:20.799
about thirty- five themes that have
to be touched upon to reach the last

1697
02:30:20.920 --> 02:30:26.360
of the Earth thirty- five themes
that had not been seen so far,

1698
02:30:26.760 --> 02:30:31.159
but now he sees a great strategy
and that is also another way of structuring

1699
02:30:31.360 --> 02:30:37.639
the use. Therefore, regions are
subject and there is also another that is

1700
02:30:37.799 --> 02:30:43.920
by age. Then there is a
very intergenerational movement, a movement in which

1701
02:30:43.000 --> 02:30:50.239
from the oldest to the youngest work
together to get the Gospel to come.

1702
02:30:50.479 --> 02:30:54.479
Therefore, it does not have a
single form of organization, which could be

1703
02:30:54.719 --> 02:31:01.040
many organizations have one or one regional
or other one. Think of other ways,

1704
02:31:01.079 --> 02:31:05.360
but here you have touched those three
ways of organizing, that work together

1705
02:31:05.840 --> 02:31:11.120
to achieve the goal. On top
of that, there are also national movements.

1706
02:31:13.000 --> 02:31:16.079
Not always. That' s been
worked around the world. We have

1707
02:31:16.639 --> 02:31:20.799
had participants in the Osana since a
thousand nine hundred and seventy- four.

1708
02:31:20.079 --> 02:31:24.719
In Spain there were participants such as
José Grau, for example, who was

1709
02:31:24.760 --> 02:31:28.760
one of those who also impacted and
were impacted by the Usana one thousand nine

1710
02:31:28.760 --> 02:31:31.879
hundred thirty- four. There have
been participants. José María Martínez was in

1711
02:31:31.959 --> 02:31:35.799
the eighty- nine. In other
words, Spain has always had participants,

1712
02:31:35.760 --> 02:31:41.879
but especially since the year two thousand
eight we have for the first time a

1713
02:31:41.879 --> 02:31:46.879
national committee. They had national committees
in Europe virtually only in the Nordic countries,

1714
02:31:46.520 --> 02:31:50.280
Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark. National committees were strong there,

1715
02:31:50.799 --> 02:31:54.680
but many other countries have not had
so far. Spain has had since two

1716
02:31:54.799 --> 02:32:01.479
thousand eight a movement that has been
working to deploy, to think about what

1717
02:32:01.559 --> 02:32:05.159
these thirty- five themes of the
Osana movement mean, those that proposed to

1718
02:32:05.280 --> 02:32:11.120
us the commitment of Ciudad del Cabo, what they meant to us we have

1719
02:32:11.399 --> 02:32:18.479
worked on documents such as proposing for
small groups each of the thirty- five

1720
02:32:18.479 --> 02:32:20.600
themes, so that they could be
analyzed in thirty- five different meetings.

1721
02:32:22.040 --> 02:32:26.399
We published it in a book,
but we also published in digital Protestant an

1722
02:32:26.479 --> 02:32:31.680
adaptation thirty- five Spanish authors saying
what this topic meant in our country,

1723
02:32:33.239 --> 02:32:37.639
what it would be to deploy that
topic in our country. We' ve

1724
02:32:37.760 --> 02:32:39.959
been doing a study all these years. For example, we have been the

1725
02:32:41.040 --> 02:32:48.639
first country in the world to have
created a tool to measure the missionaryity of

1726
02:32:48.639 --> 02:32:52.280
a country, and we have made
a measure of the missionaryity of Spain.

1727
02:32:52.680 --> 02:32:58.440
We have produced a document with conclusions
of what should be taken into account to

1728
02:32:58.120 --> 02:33:05.040
increase the degree of missionary consciousness of
the Church, interviewing more than four hundred

1729
02:33:05.159 --> 02:33:11.040
about five hundred leaders. Specifically,
we were launching them on evangelical leaders and

1730
02:33:11.120 --> 02:33:15.040
then analyzing the data, we had
an analysis of what is quantitative, of

1731
02:33:15.079 --> 02:33:24.840
what is qualitative and then doing a
work on the conclusions that came out and

1732
02:33:24.559 --> 02:33:28.200
making proposals for the Church in Spain. Lately, the movement in Spain has

1733
02:33:28.200 --> 02:33:33.280
been focusing a lot on something that, everywhere we were seeing as the weakest

1734
02:33:35.120 --> 02:33:39.840
point, the weakest point of the
Church in Spain. Everyone was telling us

1735
02:33:39.920 --> 02:33:43.840
the same thing. What is failing
in Spain is that the Church is failing

1736
02:33:43.959 --> 02:33:50.719
to make disciples intentionally relationally. We
are making disciples alone mentally. We inform

1737
02:33:50.719 --> 02:33:56.040
them, we explain things to them, but we are not going to a

1738
02:33:56.040 --> 02:33:56.639
discipleship of our entire lives. And
this is what has been devoted much to

1739
02:33:56.680 --> 02:34:01.159
the Lausanne movement in Spain, which
is directed above all to three hundred influencers,

1740
02:34:03.040 --> 02:34:07.719
which these three hundred influencers then exert
that influence, make known even without

1741
02:34:07.920 --> 02:34:11.280
quoting the uana. Of course,
it is not necessary to quote Lausanne.

1742
02:34:11.840 --> 02:34:16.239
The important thing about one sentence we
have in Lausanne is that our fruits grow

1743
02:34:16.319 --> 02:34:22.399
on the trees of others. Therefore, to inspire that today discipleship is a

1744
02:34:22.479 --> 02:34:26.959
subject that is much more in the
day to day of the churches of Spain.

1745
02:34:28.280 --> 02:34:31.639
And I think that in part we
are not the only ones who have

1746
02:34:31.639 --> 02:34:35.440
collaborated in this, but in part
we are responsible for the fact that today

1747
02:34:35.559 --> 02:34:41.000
there is more talk of discipleship in
the Spanish Church and many other bad things

1748
02:34:41.120 --> 02:34:46.000
because it is our influencers who really
bring the issues to the discussion table.

1749
02:34:46.600 --> 02:34:48.959
Yes, it is very interesting this
work that has been done in recent years,

1750
02:34:50.200 --> 02:34:52.559
as you said well, since two
thousand eight and above all starting out

1751
02:34:52.600 --> 02:34:56.360
I think that the two thousand ten
that Congress of Cape Town there is an

1752
02:34:58.959 --> 02:35:03.600
impulse, I think that it is
natural of what is the Lausanne movement in

1753
02:35:03.719 --> 02:35:09.040
Spain and also good to remember that
practically every year in November a face-

1754
02:35:09.680 --> 02:35:15.040
to- face meeting has also been
held in which, since, a hundred

1755
02:35:15.079 --> 02:35:18.200
evangelical leaders have participated that have been
passing through there, surely many more,

1756
02:35:18.440 --> 02:35:24.319
but good hundred together more or less
for just and dealing with these issues,

1757
02:35:24.760 --> 02:35:26.959
discussing them and maintaining the interest that
has maintained the interest not in Lausanne,

1758
02:35:28.399 --> 02:35:30.680
but in what Lausanne proposes, that
this is what is interesting about this movement.

1759
02:35:31.159 --> 02:35:35.719
And so we arrived at this year' s Congress, well this year

1760
02:35:35.799 --> 02:35:39.959
of this decade. We could say
fourth World Congress to be held in Seoul,

1761
02:35:39.319 --> 02:35:45.719
as we said before, it will
be in September of the 22nd,

1762
02:35:45.879 --> 02:35:50.639
from the 20th to the 28th of
September twenty- two to the 28th of

1763
02:35:50.680 --> 02:35:52.440
September, more or less, the
dates are out there about a week or

1764
02:35:52.559 --> 02:35:56.799
so on which they will gather,
because about five zero people, in person,

1765
02:35:58.079 --> 02:36:03.520
I think there are thousands who will
also join online. What is the

1766
02:36:03.520 --> 02:36:07.719
expectation that you personally have before this
new Congress and what is being prepared.

1767
02:36:09.639 --> 02:36:13.760
And the truth is that expectations are
high, because Congress has prepared itself a

1768
02:36:13.959 --> 02:36:18.440
lot many times. It is not
only what is produced there, but the

1769
02:36:20.559 --> 02:36:26.520
previous and subsequent impact for years and
within the interest groups and within the regions,

1770
02:36:26.879 --> 02:36:35.639
above all, but there has also
been an intergenerational encounter. Then it

1771
02:36:35.680 --> 02:36:43.600
has been asked what are the topics
on which we should be looking to complete

1772
02:36:43.120 --> 02:36:48.239
the world mission, to reach all
the technical groups not reached to reach every

1773
02:36:48.319 --> 02:36:52.559
person with the gospel from here to
two thousand and fifty. This was the

1774
02:36:52.840 --> 02:36:56.879
question. Even we, in Spain, during the pandemic, had an important

1775
02:36:58.559 --> 02:37:03.959
consultation, great also with many evangelical
leaders online, of course, because we

1776
02:37:03.000 --> 02:37:11.079
were in pandemic, but listening and
we also sent our conclusions as a national

1777
02:37:11.280 --> 02:37:15.799
movement, saying we have to stay
to five questions, we have to be

1778
02:37:15.799 --> 02:37:20.920
attentive to these concrete things. All
this has led to ten issues, which

1779
02:37:20.559 --> 02:37:26.399
is what you have answered, which
is called the state of the great Commission.

1780
02:37:28.440 --> 02:37:33.360
The state of the great Commission has
gathered to see these questions coming out

1781
02:37:33.760 --> 02:37:37.920
of the interest groups, coming out
of the regions, coming out of the

1782
02:37:37.079 --> 02:37:43.520
generations and then, responding to all
this, making statistics of what the situation

1783
02:37:43.680 --> 02:37:48.879
is in each continent, of what
the forecast of how that situation will be.

1784
02:37:50.520 --> 02:37:54.559
A total of ten questions have been
answered. There are 150 world leaders

1785
02:37:56.159 --> 02:38:00.840
thinkers who have been working on this. This is going to be the status

1786
02:38:00.920 --> 02:38:03.159
of the Great Commission. We'
ll have it in Spanish in July.

1787
02:38:05.079 --> 02:38:09.840
It will be published on the website
of the Osana. We will try to

1788
02:38:09.920 --> 02:38:11.719
publish it also the web of the
use Spain, so that everyone who enters

1789
02:38:11.760 --> 02:38:16.760
in Lausanne Spain rg as it can
have the state of the Great Commission.

1790
02:38:16.840 --> 02:38:22.680
There and from those questions that have
been asked, since twenty- five gaps

1791
02:38:22.360 --> 02:38:30.680
have been seen, twenty- five
gaps are worth covering so that the gospel

1792
02:38:30.799 --> 02:38:37.920
can reach the whole world with an
opportunity to listen and respond to the Gospel.

1793
02:38:39.639 --> 02:38:43.280
And this is what we' re
going to talk about. According to

1794
02:38:43.280 --> 02:38:48.079
what is going to be done above
all, it is to open spaces for

1795
02:38:48.079 --> 02:38:52.680
collaboration. There is a whole space
in the afternoon for collaboration sessions, in

1796
02:38:54.120 --> 02:38:56.879
which each of those twenty- five
gaps, I say some. For example,

1797
02:38:58.360 --> 02:39:03.520
the ageing of the world population,
the creation of a new middle class,

1798
02:39:03.639 --> 02:39:07.159
for example, today the middle class
practically does not exist in Africa,

1799
02:39:07.600 --> 02:39:11.399
but from here, two thousand and
fifty are going to emerge a great middle

1800
02:39:11.520 --> 02:39:15.680
class in Africa. For example,
of course how this will affect the world

1801
02:39:15.760 --> 02:39:22.799
evangelization, the next generation, the
development and extension of Islam, secularism,

1802
02:39:22.360 --> 02:39:31.120
what will involve Ministry in the digital
age, what does it mean to be

1803
02:39:31.280 --> 02:39:35.000
human in the era of artificial intelligence, what is the polycentric mission, how

1804
02:39:35.000 --> 02:39:41.360
can we live in a way,
how our spirituality will affect missions, what

1805
02:39:41.440 --> 02:39:50.440
does Community mean in the middle of
the 21st century, no, what is

1806
02:39:50.559 --> 02:39:56.239
our influence in society on issues such
as religious politics, radical politics, the

1807
02:39:56.360 --> 02:40:01.399
care of creation, the culture of
the most vulnerable. Anyway, a lot

1808
02:40:01.479 --> 02:40:05.399
of topics, these twenty- five
topics that are going to be realized each

1809
02:40:05.559 --> 02:40:09.840
from seven different perspectives, and then
what you' re going to look for

1810
02:40:09.920 --> 02:40:16.040
is to see what the current situation
is. Analyze, make one imagine how

1811
02:40:16.280 --> 02:40:22.079
this situation could be? Imagine how
we could work together, how we could

1812
02:40:22.120 --> 02:40:28.280
communicate what we could do working together
and finally how to commit to that work?

1813
02:40:28.799 --> 02:40:31.680
But it is that Congress does not
end with Congress, that is,

1814
02:40:31.760 --> 02:40:37.239
when the 28th day we put the
closure to Congress, there is a whole

1815
02:40:37.360 --> 02:40:41.280
team that enters from that moment,
that is to follow up on those commitments

1816
02:40:41.440 --> 02:40:46.120
that have been made, their collaborative
commitments, because so far we have been

1817
02:40:46.200 --> 02:40:50.399
working each one much on its side, you know this denomination, here,

1818
02:40:50.760 --> 02:40:54.760
that other, there that country,
now there, this other country. But

1819
02:40:54.920 --> 02:41:00.239
if we imagine working as a single
body, and if we imagine that what

1820
02:41:00.399 --> 02:41:05.760
Jesus told us about Unity, we
take it seriously and work together what an

1821
02:41:05.200 --> 02:41:11.879
African can do with a person from
Australia, with a European person, and

1822
02:41:11.440 --> 02:41:18.200
yes, together we commit ourselves to
contribute the best of each one of us.

1823
02:41:18.319 --> 02:41:24.920
To achieve that is to close those
twenty- five gaps that we have

1824
02:41:26.000 --> 02:41:28.600
identified, as that is a very
important part of what is going to occur.

1825
02:41:28.959 --> 02:41:31.760
We' re not going there just
to listen to lectures. This is

1826
02:41:33.319 --> 02:41:39.760
the minor part, the big part, the important part is how we commit

1827
02:41:39.879 --> 02:41:43.840
to collaborate together and follow- up, because everything is well prepared to follow

1828
02:41:43.959 --> 02:41:48.920
up on each of those commitments.
Only from Cape Town came out more than

1829
02:41:50.000 --> 02:41:54.319
three zero commitments to work together,
which has been very important in advancing.

1830
02:41:54.799 --> 02:42:00.959
But from here the preparation he'
s doing is a lot more inter with

1831
02:42:01.040 --> 02:42:05.799
what thousands of commitments can come out
to reach those thousands of ethnicities you didn

1832
02:42:05.920 --> 02:42:09.479
' t reach. Or we'
re not talking about faraway girls anymore.

1833
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It' s just that those signs
aren' t enough between us. They

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' re in Madrid, they'
re in Barcelona, they' re in

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Valencia, because they' re here
and they' re not outside, they

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' re European. Some unreached dets. So, there' s a lot

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of things to do there. Yeah, I really do. Well, as

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we' ve seen, there'
s not much that opens up from what

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that event will be as well.
But of course we will be talking about

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Lausanne in the coming months, surely
years, also because we will see,

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there is also no expectation of what
one can really imagine it can be but

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there is also another of what the
Lord will do, that will surprise us.

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And, without a doubt, we
are also looking forward to what may

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happen from Spain. We know that
there is a participation of one of the

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people who are going to the Seoul
Congress as well. I think about thirty

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people, sort of. Yes,
we will be talking about the next few

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weeks too, bringing more interviews here
about the Lausanne Congress, about the Lausanne

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movement, because, as we have
seen, this is something very interesting to

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reflect on, to also realize what
is happening worldwide. Many times we are

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perhaps very involved in our local church
or in our perspective of what day-

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to- day is, and all
right, but how beautiful it is to

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be able to open up to what
God is doing worldwide. And Lausanne,

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of course, is a wonderful window
to be able to look at what is

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happening and how God is carrying out
this mission of transforming the world and bringing

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more people into his Church. So
he calls thank you so much for joining

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us today and we' ll stay
in touch. We continue in confecto,

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Fidespierbendiga, thanks to all those who
have accompanied us today in this interview.

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You know that we will follow the
digital Protestant with the information also specifically about

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Lausanne. We will be performing as
we said special interviews, reports and a

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very intentional and very specific coverage of
this Congress to be held is seul in

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the coming months. So stay tuned
and follow with us that Lord Bless you.

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If you want to visit our website, the WWW. Point the train

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of life, the train of just
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evangelical churches a place of peace and
friendship. You can freely attend the nearest

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evangelical church in your neighborhood or your
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