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Production. Welcome back truth seekers from around

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edition of the flat earth Files. I

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hope this podcast finds everyone well.
We have a great guest standing by and

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who will be joining us in just
a moment before we pick a kickoff,

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excuse me today's podcast, just a
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you go. That's all the housekeeping
for today. We are going to bring

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on our very special guest and his
name is Tommy, and really sent quite

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a moving email, and I've been
looking forward to this. I guess,

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my goodness, it's been I think
it was the middle of May the first

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time he reached out. So we
are. That's how behind we are,

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folks. But as I say,
we will get to you, and ladies

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and gentlemen, here we are with
the one and only Tommy. Tommy,

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how are you doing today, buddy? I'm doing very well. George.

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That's an awesome intro, and your
voice is amazing for these podcasts, by

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the way, Oh, I appreciate
it, and I'm doing my best to

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preserve because, like I was telling
you before, we had the record button,

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we did a four hour podcast the
other night on the other podcast,

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So I'm doing my best to preserve
it. But it's really great to have

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you, and it's I really love
having folks who are as honest as you

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are, because I think your tale, your story is very you know,

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it's gonna align with a lot of
other people. Being a young man in

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this world, you can be very
difficult. You know, you turn eighteen

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and you're out on the street and
you can't get credit unless you have credit

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and your insurance until you're twenty five
is astronomical. So really, I've said

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many times before, being a young
man in America can be very difficult,

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especially if you come from, like
myself, very humble backgrounds, and you've

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you've got a scrap for yourself.
So you have a great story. So

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why don't we go ahead and kick
it off and we'll start with you introducing

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yourself to the listeners. Sounds good. I'm Tommy, And before I get

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too deep into I just want people
to know my intent of sharing this is

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to let people know that there's always
hope and you can overcome anything. Any

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obstacle is able to be overcome with
perseverance and mindset, and I think it's

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important for people to understand that before
listening to my story. Amen to that.

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So I grew up in on the
South Side of Chicago, born in

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eighty eight and had a had a
Catholic Catholic family, went to church every

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Sunday, did that whole thing.
Went to Sunday school every Sunday before church.

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My parents were more more on the
strict side. The youngest of three

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older brother older sister, separated by
four years each and but my parents weren't

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around all that frequently when I was
growing up. They had to work,

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they had lives. So my best
friend, since I knew since three years

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old, his parents were babysitters for
me, and I was kind of raised

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by them, I'd like to say, and but we played sports. We

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love sports growing up. But from
there, going into school and everything,

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it was it was one of those
things where it's like your product of the

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environment, right, so not only
the people places things, but the mindset

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of the people especially. That's one
of those things that I never really understood

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until very recently. But I'll fast
forward to to high school. Started smoking

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smoking weed at age of thirteen,
and just that's when like self esteem issues

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and you just never felt like you
fit in. It was always one of

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those things that's you know a lot
of kids, a lot of teenage probably

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relate to that, where they just
feel like something is off, something is

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wrong, something just doesn't feel right
about school. Like I always sat in

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the back of the class. I
always from the age of thirteen, I

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would just show up to class just
stoned out of my mind, would ditch

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class, never applied myself in class
whatsoever. Every teacher would tell my my

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Aaron, So he's got so much
potential. That was always the famous thing,

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He's got so much potential. So
I eventually I played sports. I

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played high school volleyball and baseball,
and that was great. But even then

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I was still like smoking weed in
my car, miss and meetings and you

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know, just being being that that
guy. And from there, like in

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high school, it went from like
tabooze weed DXM, which is the active

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ingredient in cough medicine, if you
could believe that or not, shrooms and

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just anything we could get our hands
on was how it how it progressed.

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And so I barely graduated high school
was like a two point two gpa something

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atrocious. And the only college to
accept me would be the University of South

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Dakota because they were recruiting people from
bigger cities to diversify their school because they

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wanted they thought in their minds like
they wanted people from bigger cities just to

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uh, you know, diversify their
their their students. You know a lot

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of people were just from tiny,
tiny, tiny towns, you know.

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So then I go out there.
I had a fake idea at the time,

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and again you're just product of the
environment. Who's going to be attracted

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to somebody with a fake idea.
It's people who are not not really with

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the growth orient and mindset right there. They're more trying to get escape their

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own lives. And so that led
into going to bars at a young age

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and just again fitting in with the
wrong crowd and and just not doing well.

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But at the time, you're always
thinking in the back of your head,

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like when you see somebody homeless or
somebody really hurt, and you're always

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like, oh, I'll never be
that guy. I'll never be that guy.

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Least I'm not that guy, or
however you justified. It's always it's

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always it's always like that when you're
when you're in the thick of it and

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an active using mode, you're always
thinking, oh, I'm not as bad

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as that guy, because you need
to justify your own actions, you know.

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So from from there, I switched
my major like four or five times,

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just I couldn't couldn't settle on on
what I wanted to do. How

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do you decide at that age what
you want to do for the rest of

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your life, right It's it's quite
a conundrum there, And I worked all

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throughout college at UH for Polaris,
the four Wheeling company or a TV and

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that that was good to show me
work ethic and everything went well. I

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was just a party guy, just
always always wanted to party, always getting

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messed up in every which way.
Then I settled on alcohol and drug counseling

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major, and in order for me
to graduate, I had to do an

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internship at a treatment center. And
even then it was somebody had to go

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out of their way to hook me
up with that job. With that internship

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and uh, that went, that
went really well, so well that I

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got offered a job at that treatment
center in Sioux Falls, South Dakota,

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And so I was. I was
amazing at that job for a while.

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I was twenty two years old,
really good at counselor leading a group of

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of folks who were all in jail
at the time, and they would be

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furloughed out to come to group sessions
Monday, Wednesday Friday from nine in noon.

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So they're in jail and they all
they all had meth related charges.

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So it was a meth group.
And yeah, it was a really it

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was terrifying at first, but I
was able to really do do well and

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I should rewind a little bit before
before I graduated, I had gone to

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visit my hometown and all my friends
we were hanging out at a buddy's house

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and they bust out, uh,
this powder and they called it like hydromorphone

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or something something something like that,
And I did did a line and it

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instantly made everything okay. It instantly
made me not think about anything. It

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instantly made me comfortable in my own
skin. And then I come to find

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out my best friend at the time
told me it was heroin, and I

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was because they had all been using
it for months, I guess prior to

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that, and Misery left company.
So yeah, I kind of got duped

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in a way into trying it in
the first place. But I'm sure I

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would have tried it anyway. So
but yeah, in your head at the

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time, like Heroin's like the the
the big, the biggest drug you don't

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want to do because growing up you're
always told, you know, the DARE

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program and all that, you're told
how bad it is and how dangerous,

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and it is it's very dangerous,
it's very bad. But in my head,

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I never thought I would use heroin. Like in my head, I

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was always like I just never touch
it, you know, but I did

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it, and it instantly just changed
the way it like changed the wiring of

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my brain almost and it was.
And then from that point I would get

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packages in the mail from my group
of buddies from in Chicago back out to

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South Dakota with in like birthday cards
or whatever it was, packages with heroin

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in it, and to keep my
habit, just to keep that high kind

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of going because I didn't ever want
to not feel like that again. You

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know, it was that powerful.
Yeah, that's I'm just gonna interject for

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one second. And that's interesting because
I mean, at the end of the

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day, we are all accountable for
our actions. But at the same time,

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you did have a lot of folks
at all, I don't know the

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word a lot, but you did
have folks around you who were I guess

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helping to enable you. Right,
yeah, yeah, and that and that

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part, you're right, Like I
take full responsibility, you know, it's

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full responsibility for all that. Like
I made that decision to even snore of

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powder up my nose. You know
that that's just bad on its own,

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you know, but it Yeah,
I take full responsibility for that. There's

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no no excuse but so when when
I went to be a counselor and all

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that I had only a few months
of clean time from heroin, I was

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still smoking weed, I was still
drinking, I was still you know,

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doing whatever it was to escape reality. And but I told myself, because

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I'm not using heroin, I was
able to justify being a counselor in my

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sick, healthy, sick mind.
You know, at the time, I

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was able to justify it. And
I was. Actually I was a decent

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counselor. I was good. And
I still get people message me to this

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day talking about how they're still sober
and thanking me for what I did,

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and it's awesome. The problem is
is so like a year and a half

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goes by, everything's going good.
I was able to stay away from from

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heroin during that time, and then
my best friend had overdosed back in Chicago,

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and I wasn't able to make it
to the funeral because I had a

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court date for one of my clients
get being released from jail to see if

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he could get released from jail.
So it's one of those things I couldn't

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couldn't make to the funeral, and
that sucked. And then a few weeks

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after that, my grandma died,
and that one I was able to make

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it to the funeral. I go
back home and it was so I remember

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so vividly. I I went home
and before getting to my parents house,

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I went to the drug dealer.
It was so automatic. I didn't even

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like consciously think about it was so
automatic. Just I think environment the environmental

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factors like trigger our emotions and thoughts
for certain actions. And so I go,

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I go to get the drugs.
And then the very next day I

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go to my grandma's funeral services and
all that. And in the evening,

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I'm with one of my hometown buddies
and he gets he gives me value,

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just just a few of them,
and I didn't know what it was,

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you know, but I still,
I still, I still put him in

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my pocket for later. And so
we did a bunch of heroin that night.

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And I go go back to my
parents house. I'm getting ready to

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get into bed, and I take
two Value while being very messed up on

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heroin, and I then pass out
in the same position, my back flat

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with my knees bent for sixteen or
seventeen hours straight. Just I guess my

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my brain just cut off signals to
to move my body because I was so

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intoxicated, and when I woke up, I was so I was so so

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messed up and so jacked up from
from the blood flow just kind of just

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stopped and all that blood just kind
of stayed in the hip area and I

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would I woke up a pissing out
like a black powdery substance. It was

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the most pain I've ever been in. I couldn't walk, I was I

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couldn't see straight. It was it
was very, very rough, and and

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still to at the time, I
was still lying about it. Then to

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my parents and to to my brother
who was at the house that day.

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They were asking what I took,
what I took, and I said nothing.

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You know, I'm still sober.
It says, like that's so horrible.

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But then make a long story short, there an ambulance eventually gets called

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to my house, to my parents'
house. They bring in the stretcher up

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the stairs, all that I get
carried down and and just that ride from

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my parents' house to the hospital,
Like you nobody knows what's going on yet,

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and you're just like you're you're you're
just saying you're sorry to God.

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To who's ever listening in your head, You're just like, I can't believe

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this happened. I can't believe I
did this. How could I ruin my

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vessel? And the whole time you
know it's bad, but you don't know

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how bad. And then you get
I get to the hospital and my kidneys

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weren't failure, just just failure.
I just did that much damage. My

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heart was all swollen, mild cardietist. I guess it would be considered now.

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It was. It was a pretty
dire situation, to the point where

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they told my dad that I wouldn't
survive the night to make funeral arrangements.

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That you know, it was bad. Everybody's parents were crying, it was

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my brother was just bawling. It
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when they made me as comfortable as
possible, so when I closed my eyes

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at night, I thought, no, there's no chance I'm gonna make it.

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up the next morning, I was
just I was I was pissed up.

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I was mad because because I wanted
the pain and suffering to just be over

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for my family, just to because
all the pain inflicted upon them and what

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I knew I would have to do
to change with such a monumental task that

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I didn't think I had it in
me. So when I woke up,

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I was just I was upset,
I was mad, and and that's when

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the team of doctors came into the
room and told me they'd have to amputate

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my right leg and even if I
get through that, there's no chance i'd

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walk again, no chance i'd jump
again, no chance I would like play

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any sports ever again, no chance
I would do any of that. So

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that just to the mindset that really
is debilitating, and and you just the

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whole time you're just like you're being
shot up to you're being injected with more

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opiates. And it was that was
the first time I ever felt being injected

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with opiates, was at the hospital, and that again, that's uh,

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that was another life changing thing.
So but from there anyway, my mom

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came right in between after the first
day to see how I was doing.

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That was first time she visited the
room, and the first thing she asked

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was did anybody see the ambulance pick
you up? Like, because in her

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mind, that's embarrassing, right,
Like you don't want neighbors to know like

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and that, and so it's never
been the same, like our relationships is

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never like because that, Yeah,
so many things were said with one statement,

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right, yeah, it was.
It was just incredible to me.

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But so then you just you have
nothing but time to think when you're in

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that iceeu just nothing but time to
think. And the whole time, every

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couple hours in the middle of night, they're coming and they're checking your vitals

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and it's like the opposite of getting
healthy in a way, because they're keeping

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you awake, just all these things, no natural light. The nutrition is

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horrible, But I'm very grateful for
the nursing stuff, the ladies who helped

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me out because you have a catheter
and you can't you can't function. They're

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pumping you with so many IV fluids
to just rehydrate your body, and you

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know, it's just very grateful.
Some of those people are some of the

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most amazing souls that exists, you
know. But from there, then physical

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therapy you start with just being able
to try and close a fist with a

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ball in your hand. You know, you're just starting very slowly. That's

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how messed up my motor functions were, and just I was so jacked up,

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and it was the fluids or of
the point my skin where you could

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push down on my skin and it
was like dropping a ball in a pond

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where it just ripples out. Yeah, it was. It was incredible.

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And so from from being to that
low point and just each day at a

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time, one just one one function
more per day or one step further per

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day, you start with trying to
just like sit upright, because when you're

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when you're bedridden for days at a
time, when you sit upright, you're

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just did can't You don't know what's
going on, You're you're you're just very

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dejective. Your equilibriums off and from
there, you know, you you then

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start to stand up do like a
mini squad and from there they get the

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wheelchair out and from there it's then
you could take like one step and then

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two steps. You have to relearn
how to walk again as a as a

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twenty three year old guy. Like
it's very it's very humbling experience and you're

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doing like, yeah, I say, I wanted to clarify two things.

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You had mentioned that the doctors came
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after you made it through the night
and said they may have to amputate your

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leg. But just to clarify to
that, oh yes, sorry about that.

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Yeah, so when they come in
tell me to amputate that my leg

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will have to get amputated. They
they were the worst case scenario. It

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was the worst case scenario. And
they didn't have to do that because my

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everything went back to My levels were
dropping all my uh because when rebdomylosis is

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this condition where when kidney's going to
failure, they release all this uh toxins

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and electrolytes into the bloodstream and that
creates all your your levels go sky high,

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and that's that's how a lot of
people end up dying because your blood's

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not supposed to have all that in
there. And that was to the point

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where there was so much pressure in
my hip from how I passed out that

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the muscle, uh my quad was
so was deteriorating. It was like eating

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itself. Just it was becoming a
liquid almost and dissolving. And uh that

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was that would have been the reason
I would have had to shot my right

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leg off. But thankfully, Uh, the levels kept just dropping hour after

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hour, and uh, they didn't
have to do that, right, It

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Uh. It scared scared the hell
out of me for sure. And the

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other thing was and while you were
in the ICU, if I remember correctly

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that you said that they had you
on Uh was it dia did or is

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that how it's pronounced deladed delouted it's
called and uh yeah, So so I

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when you get there, they give
you uh ivy for mad's right into the

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bloodstream. And that was the first
time I've ever experience like opiates to the

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blood, and delotted is a very
uh it's a very potent opiate. And

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they were also giving me morphine.
I had the button where you could just

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push it, and uh yeah,
I mean I understand, like because because

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you're in so much pain, pain
as it is, I understand they're just

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trying to keep you comfortable and just
numb you out so they don't have to

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deal with like you screaming or whatever. So so I understand from that perspective,

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But it's like you're they saw even
though I was lying on my deathbed,

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like lying about not using I still
they still saw the levels of my

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blood and all the drugs in my
blood, So they knew I was lying

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about that and I was. They
knew I was a junkie, you know.

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So, but so it's a little
a little concern in that just I'll

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give the junkie all these opiates,
you know, But I mean the the

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situation was dire enough to deem it, you know, reasonable, I suppose,

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yeah, and go ahead. No, No, I was just gonna

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say, hey, yeah, I
get it's one of those double edged swords.

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They want to make you comfortable,
but at the same time that what

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they're doing is kind of what got
you in there in the first place,

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right, exactly exactly, And so
when not the physical therapy, everything progresses

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decently, and I end up spending
like twenty one days in the ICU total,

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and I leave in like a wheelchair
with a walker, all this all

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this stuff because I could barely walk. I'm dragging my my hip. And

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the other thing I didn't mention is
I was supposed to go back to my

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counseling job that Monday, just for
a weekend. I was going home for

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a funeral. I was supposed to
come back on Monday. I didn't show

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back up to work, and and
so I didn't. I had to tell

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my boss some ridiculous, absurd lie
about I was just severely dehydra and it

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caused this rapdomylosis situation, and they
bought it and sent me cards and flowers,

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and it was very, uh,
it was amazing, very amazing to

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have that happen. And it just
makes you're so emotional going through that that

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any any little thing makes you cry
during that situation. So it was awesome

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that people did that for me.
But when I get out of the hospital

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and wheelchair, you're not the same
person as when you went in, Like

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you're just different. And so when
you get out, you have to do

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all the physical therapy and all that, but you're still not like, not

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that mobile. And even when I
got back back home, I had all

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these hundreds of morphine pills, hundreds
of these delotted pills, and the first

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thing I do is is make it
to the to the drug dealer because that's

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just it was just just that's how
sick the my addiction was. It was

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very very powerful and just overtook like
everything about me. It was very automatic

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once again. And so the next
few months, I I was just on

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a tear, just using NonStop.
Now that I knew about injectables and how

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to inject and everything, and I
felt that feeling it was it changed everything.

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It It's like a warm blanket on
the cold winter's night, you know.

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And once you have that feeling,
it it's hard to to adjust to

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life without it. I think it's
how I put it. So the next

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few months, I was just going
to say. I hear people say all

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the time that marijuana sar unlistened,
then I hear other people say it's a

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gateway drug. Listening to your story, it sounds like when when you find

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that next high, the previous one, like like I think you started,

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you said, with weed, and
then after that you went to d x

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T or whatever it is. When
you get that next yeah, I went

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from weed to booze to all the
other ones. Yeah. So is it

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a kind of a true statement once
you hit that next hide, that the

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previous one just doesn't satisfy the hunger
anymore. Yeah, I mean it's safe

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to say with me. I think
I think what it's the root issue is

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wanting to escape reality because you feel
something is so off with school or the

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things you're being taught. You feel
at that at the core level, but

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you can't articulate it at the time
because you don't have the words you don't

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have the life experience to articulate any
of that, so you're balding it up

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inside and it comes out and forms
a drug use, you know. So

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I think kids will find any,
any substance to escape with. But weed's

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just an easy one too, because
it's so prevalent, you know. Sure,

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so yes, So when I get
out of the hospital, everything's so

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as messed up as ever ever been. I'm just on a tear, just

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doing anything I can for the substance. And then I have a intervention put

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on me and I go down into
Florida for a bunch of months for treatment.

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And it's one of those Ponzi scheme
things where it's just they're milking your

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insurance for everything it's worth and you
don't know this at the time. You're

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just doing what you're told to do. And it was awesome living in Fort

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Lauderdale. It was really great.
It showed me that life is possible to

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it's possible to live life without substances, was the biggest thing I got from

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that. But the second I got
out of treatment or rehab, I started

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using just crack, crack, shooting
up crack. When I wasn't even a

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crackhead. You know, it's just
the people I was around, and and

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I just wanted to just again fit
in and back to the root cause that

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internal work I never did before then, and it always came back to haunt

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me. But when I then,
I got kicked out of the halfway house

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I was living in, and so
the only option was to go back to

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my parents parents house. And I
knew going back there would kill me.

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I knew for sure it would kill
me, and I needed to not I

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didn't want to die like just because
I knew it was a matter of time

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before I got bad batch or whatever. And so that's when I and Florida's

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when I started planning to move out
to Colorado. And so when I get

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back to Chicago, I started telling
telling the people I'm getting out here.

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I gotta go. So I only
lasted a few days and Chicago before I

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made it back or made it out
to Colorado. And in Colorado changed changed

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the game for me. It changed
my life in every possible way. I

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moved to Denver at first, and
I had one I made it a month

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or two and then I had one
relapse and that that's all it took for

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me too. I was so sick
and tired. I was so debilitated,

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I was so my leg was still
jacked up, I could still barely walk.

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I was sick and tired of being
sick and tired to the point where

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I just didn't want to get high
anymore. And I just I didn't want

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to do it. And when I
went to that detox in Denver is when

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I got prescribed something called suboxone.
And what's that. Yeah, no,

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I've heard of them, and clonopin
and adder all those things. Yeah,

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yeah, I got prescribed suboxon,
which is a medical assisted treatment, so

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you never have to go through withdrawals. And at the same time, you're

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on subox and you can't it's not
possible to get high on opiate's like it

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blocks of the receptor, So even
if you were to do a whole bunch

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of opiates, you wouldn't get the
same effect. So in the short term,

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that's a really good thing for somebody
like me. It's very good,

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and it's it's saved saved my life
in a lot of ways. So when

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I got out of detox, I
moved then moved to Breckon Ridge, Colorado.

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I was big into snowboarding and it
and just the outdoors and living up

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in such a beautiful, majestic place, the scenery up there, the mountains,

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the people, just such an amazing
place in every possible way. And

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I then got prescribed also on top
of the box and adderall klonopin and simbalta.

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And so two weeks after that is
when when I moved to breck Breckon

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Ridge, I met my wife and
she didn't know about anything. She didn't

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know about this at the time,
you know, because you're still like you're

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still masking all your emotions with all
these substances. You don't know who you

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are as a person. When you
start using drugs at such a young age,

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you have no you have no clue
who you are. And yeah,

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so the next eight years go by
and I get married during that time too,

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and you know, it's it was
awesome. I lived in Breckinridge and

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now living in four columns. Life. Life was good. I got into

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plumbing, it was, it was
awesome. But the thing was is I

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just never did any internal worker.
It was never serious about it because I

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would take advice from anybody willing to
give it to me. Because I didn't

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know who I was because I was
always zombified on these high powered meds,

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and and I used them as as
a crutch, like I would take them

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during times like when I had to
do anything, I would take a clonipin

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for example. You know, so
I'm still I was still just just a

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bad of a junkie, but not. But because I wasn't shooting up,

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docs would tell me, Oh,
you're not shooting up. You're doing an

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amazing You're you're our best patient.
You know, Oh you're three hundred pounds,

407
00:33:59.720 --> 00:34:02.000
You're not that. You know,
like all these things, all these

408
00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:06.640
things you know, and you believe
those lies, you believe the nonsense,

409
00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:08.000
and then the people around you were
saying, oh, you're just big bone.

410
00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:15.960
You know. It's it's crazy.
But twenty twenty comes around and I

411
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:21.119
had my first kid on the way, and I just I was so miserable.

412
00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:23.480
I was on I was a ticking
time bomb on the wickest suicide like

413
00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:31.159
it was. I was so miserable, and I just had to had to

414
00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:35.920
get honest with myself about like do
I want to be the dead who raises

415
00:34:36.039 --> 00:34:39.840
their kid who can't doesn't have the
energy to do anything because they're on all

416
00:34:39.960 --> 00:34:45.800
these meds and zombified, and they're
just too obeast to do anything like I

417
00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:51.480
just I had to just get very
serious about it, and and I just

418
00:34:51.559 --> 00:34:57.800
made that decision to start to wean
myself off all those meds and slowly but

419
00:34:57.880 --> 00:35:00.320
surely, just a little piece at
a time, taking it off and being

420
00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:05.519
very calculated with it. And I
cut off my doctor. I told my

421
00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:09.559
doctor, I wrote wrote them a
letter talking about how miserable I was,

422
00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:15.880
and and to never contact me ever
again because I don't want anything to do

423
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:20.519
with these meds. So it wasn't
an option for me to go back to

424
00:35:20.599 --> 00:35:24.480
them to get prescribed these meds.
The thing was, over those years,

425
00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:29.280
I was able to have a rainy
day fund, a stockpile of all those

426
00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:32.960
because I was overprescribed to such an
extent. So I had years worth of

427
00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:37.800
these meds, just just rainy day
fund. And so that gave me the

428
00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:45.119
ability to cut my doc off and
give myself zero options to go back while

429
00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:50.400
being able to wean myself down without
being too miserable. So because I tried

430
00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:52.480
several times, like cold turkey and
all these things, and it just it

431
00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:57.119
just was too it was too rough
to function and you know, work and

432
00:35:57.159 --> 00:36:01.480
all that stuff. So I was
very calculate later about it. And when

433
00:36:01.480 --> 00:36:07.199
I when I week after week you
go down doses drops, but you start

434
00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:12.199
to feel like a real human again, your energy levels come back, you

435
00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:17.079
start to feel alive again. It's
a very eerie feeling. And because you

436
00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:21.599
haven't felt like I even felt like
that since like fourteen years old, you

437
00:36:21.639 --> 00:36:27.480
know, just like being sober and
just like normal. You just don't you

438
00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:30.320
know, you're on substances or substance
seeking behavior the whole time. We just

439
00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:34.920
don't, you know, you don't
know what it feels like to just be

440
00:36:35.079 --> 00:36:42.599
clearheaded with clarity. And so it
was a pretty amazing experience. And then

441
00:36:42.639 --> 00:36:45.760
when my son was born, this
was like the height of cope. The

442
00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:51.039
It was like May twenty twenty,
and yeah, it's May twenty twenty.

443
00:36:51.079 --> 00:36:55.519
He's born. And I took COVID
so seriously at first, where I would

444
00:36:55.519 --> 00:37:02.039
tell people in line behind me to
get like walk a few steps backwards because

445
00:37:04.039 --> 00:37:07.840
that's that's the amount of fear I
was in, Like, and I would

446
00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:12.880
wear gloves with the mail and stuff
like just it was that ridiculous. I

447
00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:15.360
took it for those first few weeks
or whatever. It was like, that's

448
00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:20.760
the extent I took it to ye
and it's looking back, it's embarrassing,

449
00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:23.760
but I admit I was wrong during
those few weeks. But when my son

450
00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:32.000
was born is when when I saw
I saw them do the hep hep B.

451
00:37:32.199 --> 00:37:36.840
I think that that vaccine. Like
he's like an hour old and they're

452
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:39.519
doing that to him and and he's
just going nuts, and I'm just like

453
00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:45.519
and then I it's one of those
things like you you'll always remember that and

454
00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:52.039
uh. And from there it slowly
but surely, like you start to So

455
00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:57.000
I was coming off the meds and
a Jim routine and I started eating right.

456
00:37:57.679 --> 00:38:00.679
And nutrition is the biggest factor I
think in a lot of this because

457
00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:07.320
previously I ate like crap. I
would eat the most horrible foods for you,

458
00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:12.559
sure, And that's that's when I
started to eat very well and start

459
00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:15.159
a gym routine, and things just
started changing. When you're able to have

460
00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:20.000
a gym routine and sweat those toxins
out like it makes such a big difference.

461
00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:22.320
Yeah, it's a big part of
structure, and it really helps with

462
00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:25.320
your discipline. And I should,
I should really if we can backpedal just

463
00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:31.679
a second. I really something when
I read your email and that it resonated

464
00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:37.000
with me and what I had to
deal with because bro in the military,

465
00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:44.440
and then as you transition out into
the VAU they give out these these drugs

466
00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:47.280
like candy. And when you say, and this is something that people shouldn't

467
00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:52.159
take lightly, you wrote that I
spent the next eight years, eight years

468
00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:58.719
of my prime like twenty in a
zombified state. And that's when when I'm

469
00:38:58.719 --> 00:39:01.559
reading that and listen to you,
and I'm kind of having flashbacks to just

470
00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:07.840
remember and being on those meds and
how tired and exactly lethargic. You can't

471
00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:10.559
even Yeah, you can't even.
You could barely move, let alone have

472
00:39:10.639 --> 00:39:19.280
the motivation to move to do anything
productive. Yeah, and that is yeah,

473
00:39:19.519 --> 00:39:23.239
it's yeah. People don't understand because
and a lot of times people get

474
00:39:23.239 --> 00:39:28.599
prescribed this not knowing the full the
other side of it. You know,

475
00:39:28.639 --> 00:39:30.960
they're just told by their doctor to
take it. And because it's a human

476
00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:36.880
and a white lab coat in a
costume party basically telling you to do something,

477
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:39.280
people do it, you know,
without doing any research. They just

478
00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:43.599
take these pills and then two years, three years, four years, later

479
00:39:43.639 --> 00:39:46.360
they're so messed up, not even
thinking they're messed up. And that's uh,

480
00:39:46.840 --> 00:39:50.920
that's a big problem. Yep.
And another side effect, something I

481
00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:54.920
dealt with mildly, was started dyskinesia, which if you stay on some of

482
00:39:54.960 --> 00:40:00.000
these meds for too long, you'll
get the lip smacking, the face movements,

483
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:04.119
the eye blinkings when you're on these
things that all to your your brain

484
00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:07.760
for so long. And again I'm
not a doctor. I'm not telling anybody

485
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:09.199
how to live their life. But
I'm just telling you. I mean,

486
00:40:09.199 --> 00:40:15.360
you're here in Tommy and you're hearing
myself to me these things that adder all.

487
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:19.480
Well, the klonopin for me was
the big one. It's just another

488
00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:22.760
masking. For me, I realized, like yourself, I had to put

489
00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:27.079
that stuff aside and deal with my
problems myself and to stop masking them.

490
00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:31.039
Yeah. Because our whole society we
treat the symptoms. We treat all these

491
00:40:31.039 --> 00:40:35.559
symptoms, and addiction is another just
symptom. Yeah, because you never treat

492
00:40:35.599 --> 00:40:38.119
the root cause it's going to show
up as addiction or you know, all

493
00:40:38.119 --> 00:40:42.719
these other things. And until you
deal with the root cause and do that

494
00:40:42.840 --> 00:40:47.199
internal work necessary to overcome your demons. You're going to continue doing the same

495
00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:52.920
things, maybe different different drugs or
different substances or whatever it is, but

496
00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:59.039
you're going to continue to deal with
that that until you deal with yourself.

497
00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:01.760
Really, because when I was using, I would never be able to look

498
00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:05.800
at myself in the mirror. That
I just would never be able to do

499
00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:10.159
it, you know, and that
that was It's because you're you know,

500
00:41:10.840 --> 00:41:15.880
you know, at your core,
you're not a good person. You just

501
00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:19.559
know like you're not doing good things
with your life, with your opportunities,

502
00:41:20.239 --> 00:41:24.199
and it just eats you, eats
your soul over time. Well said.

503
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:28.760
So getting back to what you were
saying, it sounded like watching your your

504
00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:32.199
child get and I remember too,
you know, my my older ones seeing

505
00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:38.880
that that was that was your first
real that was that was like this the

506
00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:45.679
start of when I started because I'm
I'm beginning to come off these meds,

507
00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:50.119
like things are starting, the reality
is starting to present itself, like with

508
00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:54.880
clarity for the first time so long. But I like recorded that moment,

509
00:41:55.039 --> 00:42:02.639
and and then months and months ago
by, and then it's the vaccine rollout

510
00:42:02.679 --> 00:42:07.480
and by this time, I'm I'm
off all the meds and I can't believe

511
00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:09.920
how good I feel. I can't
believe how motivated I am. I can't

512
00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:17.880
believe how my body's transformed. Just
all these things are happening to my body,

513
00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:22.239
to my mind. My mind was
transformed into went from comfort seeking and

514
00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:31.000
escaping to discipline and strong and it
was such a crazy transformation. And so

515
00:42:31.039 --> 00:42:37.920
when the vaccine rollout came in the
very beginning, there wasn't a lot of

516
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:49.480
information out. However, my wife
went and got the first vaccine and I

517
00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:53.440
opt to just not too because I
said I would. But I you know,

518
00:42:53.480 --> 00:42:57.039
I started to see patterns, but
I couldn't articulate it at the time.

519
00:42:57.639 --> 00:43:02.360
And but I was starting to see
people online talking about the side effects

520
00:43:02.400 --> 00:43:07.480
in there their family members, especially
from the first and second one they were

521
00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:14.440
injured, you know. And I'd
paid the close attention to the theirs data,

522
00:43:14.559 --> 00:43:19.000
and uh, I didn't say anything
to my wife like about I wasn't

523
00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:22.280
mad at my wife because I mean, the amount of propaganda come and add

524
00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:27.079
us from every direction at that time. I don't think people understand how how

525
00:43:27.760 --> 00:43:35.239
the pure amount of it and majority
of brainwashing or mind control is done through

526
00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:39.880
repetition. The more you hear something
the more you're brain and mind thinks it's

527
00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:46.639
true. Pat, And so we've
been kind of hacked in that way if

528
00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:52.760
you remember too, like just some
of the slogans during that time, we're

529
00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:58.239
just so just on repeat, and
all those news anchors saying the same same

530
00:43:58.280 --> 00:44:01.400
thing, just city from city,
east the city. It was intense.

531
00:44:01.559 --> 00:44:10.920
And then the second vaxx row outcomes, and I told I told my wife

532
00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:15.679
all through this, like, I
told her all the information I was learning

533
00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:20.079
about because I took after that first
vaccine that she got, I went deep

534
00:44:20.159 --> 00:44:24.119
into into all vaccines because it was
just important because I didn't know. I

535
00:44:24.159 --> 00:44:30.519
always thought of anti vaxxers as I
always thought of him as a like a

536
00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:35.639
weird like cult sort of thing,
conspiracy theorist, right, yeah, yeah,

537
00:44:35.679 --> 00:44:37.840
because I was told to think that. I think, you know,

538
00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:43.239
I don't know, and there's no
basis for it whatsoever. But we're looking

539
00:44:43.880 --> 00:44:45.960
deeper and deeper into it. I
realized, like, oh my, we're

540
00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:52.599
being experimented on, We're being we
are being messed with, and and then

541
00:44:52.639 --> 00:44:57.719
sticking up for it is the problem
defending the very system doing this to us.

542
00:44:58.559 --> 00:45:00.559
And a lot of people think,
uh, you know, a lot

543
00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:06.039
of the experimentation on humans ended in
World War Two. But I think it's

544
00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:10.119
just it's it's just hidden in plain
sight, now, you know, So

545
00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:14.639
the second backs for real outcomes.
I told my wife all the information I

546
00:45:14.679 --> 00:45:17.639
was getting about all the different vaccines
and all all this stuff, and then

547
00:45:17.679 --> 00:45:22.519
about the COVID JAB two and uh, and she I advised your like,

548
00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:25.599
please please don't get it, you
know. But I wasn't like too stern.

549
00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:30.239
I should have been, but I
wasn't too stern. And I should

550
00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:34.840
ask what was it her job that
that maybe they demanded it or is it

551
00:45:34.920 --> 00:45:37.960
just something that she felt she needed
to do. No, her job didn't

552
00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:44.519
demand it. She she was just
heavily influenced by like the Facebook community,

553
00:45:44.559 --> 00:45:47.199
I think, you know, like
all the seeing all the other like all

554
00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:52.440
the other people. And because I'm
her husband, she doesn't she didn't take

555
00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:54.880
what I was saying too seriously.
You know, for whatever reason, people

556
00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:59.400
would put on their bio on Facebook. I got my vaccine right on,

557
00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:05.679
say yeah, yeah, exactly.
And I should have just put up more

558
00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:09.639
of a fight, but I didn't. And because I would print off all

559
00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:15.559
these papers and these essays about all
these things, and she would never read.

560
00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:19.920
I'm like, you know, she
was. She was convinced based on

561
00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:24.199
her belief in the system, right
and uh. And so after that,

562
00:46:24.199 --> 00:46:28.800
that was when it was so obvious. People were dying, people were getting

563
00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:34.719
injured. It became clear as day
to me. And and then this is

564
00:46:34.760 --> 00:46:38.639
when this is a time when like
it becomes kind of isolating because the propaganda

565
00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:43.679
was so deep. And when you're
the guy not getting that vacs like people

566
00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:45.159
and people know that, they don't
want to talk to you. They think

567
00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:51.599
you're you're the weirdo, and uh, it's very That's when it kind of

568
00:46:51.639 --> 00:46:57.079
gets lonely, you know, for
a period of time. And and that's

569
00:46:57.119 --> 00:47:00.440
when you you start trying to you
convince yourself because you want to fit in

570
00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:04.280
again, like maybe I should just
go get the vaccine, you know,

571
00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:08.519
but it's like no. So then
time goes on and my wife we get

572
00:47:08.559 --> 00:47:15.880
pregnant again, and uh and like
four or five months pregnant, and and

573
00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:21.280
the third the booster, the good
old booster shop. And during that period

574
00:47:21.280 --> 00:47:25.079
of time four months or whatever,
I had started to look into other things

575
00:47:25.119 --> 00:47:29.239
too, because I was like,
if they're lying about vaccines, what else

576
00:47:29.280 --> 00:47:32.320
are they lying about? You?
Know because I was thinking with clarity,

577
00:47:32.320 --> 00:47:36.559
I was I was seeing reality for
what it was for the first time instead

578
00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:42.239
of what we're told to believe.
And it was just the moon landing,

579
00:47:42.320 --> 00:47:47.119
Like looking into the moon landing,
I mean it, it's it looks like

580
00:47:47.159 --> 00:47:52.360
a I just can't believe, you
know, I can't believe I didn't see

581
00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:55.039
this earlier. You know, I
didn't because I just didn't think about it.

582
00:47:55.079 --> 00:48:00.400
But the moon landing just so fake
in every possible way. That Ellinger,

583
00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:06.119
those people are still alive. Just
all all these things, they all

584
00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:08.960
add up nine to eleven building seven, like all these things, you know.

585
00:48:10.360 --> 00:48:15.159
And and then it comes to a
point where the information the truth when

586
00:48:15.159 --> 00:48:19.519
you see it for what it is, like lies are always so complex,

587
00:48:19.639 --> 00:48:22.800
and there's lies on top of lies
on top of lies and just nonsense,

588
00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:29.639
and it's very hard to understand and
resonate with a lie, right, But

589
00:48:29.719 --> 00:48:35.079
the truth it's typically it's always simple. It's always it always resonates you feel

590
00:48:35.079 --> 00:48:38.519
in your gut, you just you
know, and uh, and that's that's

591
00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:45.760
such a big distinction, you know, big time yep, And uh,

592
00:48:46.280 --> 00:48:51.840
it's uh, just conspiracy. After
conspiracy, I started to realize, like

593
00:48:51.880 --> 00:48:57.840
we have been lied to to a
point of it's all opposite, you know,

594
00:48:57.920 --> 00:49:04.639
And it's all opposite, Like everything
every narrative that comes comes down is

595
00:49:06.039 --> 00:49:08.360
is a lie. You know.
It got it gets to that point because

596
00:49:08.679 --> 00:49:13.480
all of the climate change the whole
thing. It's more about getting you to

597
00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:19.480
obey and consume and be a worker
not a thinker, and just be controlled.

598
00:49:19.480 --> 00:49:22.159
The more controlled you are, the
better. The more money in the

599
00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:27.440
system, the more enslave, the
better. And through this little process of

600
00:49:27.559 --> 00:49:32.199
learning all that, I was able
to forgive myself because that was the biggest

601
00:49:32.280 --> 00:49:37.960
hurdle in my story was I was
never able to forgive myself because I was

602
00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:42.199
a drug counselor and I actually used
with a few clients of mine. Is

603
00:49:42.239 --> 00:49:45.119
the other thing I forgot to say. Like so I used a few clients

604
00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:52.559
when I went back to to try
and counsel. We just only lasted a

605
00:49:52.599 --> 00:49:57.519
couple of weeks as I was in
such a tear. So a drug counselor

606
00:49:57.519 --> 00:50:02.039
who abused his authority as a counselor
and used with clients like that, that

607
00:50:02.159 --> 00:50:07.559
is a very hard thing to forgive
yourself from. And I was never able

608
00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:13.760
to do it. And the reason
why this journey is so important for people

609
00:50:14.199 --> 00:50:19.239
addicts or people even enslaved any substance, because I don't think they can forgive

610
00:50:19.280 --> 00:50:25.079
themselves for whatever their past is because
in a system, in a system that

611
00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:30.079
is lying to you the whole time, you can't forgive yourself based on a

612
00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:37.079
lie, right, But in this
journey of truth, it's we're all kind

613
00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:43.079
of victims to a lot of This
is what I realized, and it was

614
00:50:43.159 --> 00:50:47.760
not our choice. It's just we're
born into this. And that's how I

615
00:50:47.800 --> 00:50:54.159
was able to forgive myself and maintain
sobriety for this long because it's prior to

616
00:50:54.199 --> 00:50:58.800
that I would keep doing the same
thing, expecting different outcome. And I

617
00:50:58.880 --> 00:51:01.239
was thinking, oh, one day
and opportunity just present itself and everything will

618
00:51:01.320 --> 00:51:06.599
change. It's like, no,
you have to work on yourself and get

619
00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:10.639
better, get healthy, forgive yourself
or being a road to forgiving yourself for

620
00:51:12.280 --> 00:51:16.760
whatever it is you did, and
that's when opportunities will present themselves. That's

621
00:51:16.760 --> 00:51:22.760
when big changes will happen. And
that's what I realized through this journey.

622
00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:29.559
So, but this was right around
the third This big enlightening moment was around

623
00:51:29.559 --> 00:51:35.400
the third VAX and that's also when
I started looking into flat Earth, and

624
00:51:35.559 --> 00:51:38.320
I was just I was blown.
I couldn't even sleep for the first three

625
00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:45.360
or four days, like looking I
was just baffled, just absolutely baffled by

626
00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:50.079
it. Because again, we're told
to make fun of flat Earthers, right,

627
00:51:50.119 --> 00:51:54.239
We're told that their dumbest people ever. And it just changed, it

628
00:51:54.360 --> 00:51:59.559
changed the way. It changed the
way I look at the sky. Even

629
00:51:59.599 --> 00:52:01.119
now, I look at the Sun
and it's it's just it's the same size

630
00:52:01.159 --> 00:52:05.039
of the moon. Like it's just
it all makes it, It all makes

631
00:52:05.039 --> 00:52:10.400
sense, it all fits. The
moon definitely isn't two hundred and thirty seven

632
00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:15.119
thousand miles away or whatever. All
those ridiculous numbers. It's just so so

633
00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:22.920
fake. And that yeah, it's
a big reason all all this stuff.

634
00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:27.000
It's a big reason why I was
able to stay sober this whole time.

635
00:52:28.239 --> 00:52:31.599
But the third Vacts, I've really
put up a fight with my wife and

636
00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:36.000
she still she like pushed me out
of the way and went and got the

637
00:52:36.079 --> 00:52:40.519
Vacts while pregnant, with four months
pregnant. That one, that one still

638
00:52:40.519 --> 00:52:45.880
sings to this day. But I
view her as a victim, like I

639
00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:52.400
really do, like of this brainwashing
stuff, you know, and you know

640
00:52:52.719 --> 00:52:58.320
that that's that's kind of where we
are today. It's been an absolute journey

641
00:52:58.519 --> 00:53:04.440
and I wish none of this on
anybody ever, you know, I hope

642
00:53:04.519 --> 00:53:08.920
people can make better decisions than I
did. Yeah, I'll tell you one

643
00:53:08.920 --> 00:53:15.480
of the most important things that you
mentioned over the last hour is that before

644
00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:17.840
you can really begin your journey,
you have to be able to forgive yourself,

645
00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:22.320
because there's not one person on the
face of the earth that is that

646
00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:27.599
is perfect, and we all make
mistakes. And I've said many many times

647
00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:32.639
to be a young man in this
world is very, very difficult. Sometimes

648
00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:36.840
I cringe at the thoughts of the
things that I did when I was,

649
00:53:37.079 --> 00:53:40.679
you know, in my late teens
and early twenties. We all make mistakes,

650
00:53:40.719 --> 00:53:44.639
but as we get older, in
order for us to move forward,

651
00:53:45.360 --> 00:53:49.440
we really have to take the time
and forgive ourselves. And until you're able

652
00:53:49.440 --> 00:53:53.039
to do that, you're really going
to struggle. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

653
00:53:53.079 --> 00:53:58.119
And I think just a have some
compassion for yourself because you've been through

654
00:53:58.159 --> 00:54:00.119
a lot. If you're over the
age of twenty nowadays, like you've been

655
00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:05.119
through a lot. We're all damaged
after you know, something twenty years old

656
00:54:05.199 --> 00:54:07.960
or whatever, it's like, have
some compassion for yourself and be able to

657
00:54:08.039 --> 00:54:12.559
forgive yourself is such a crucial thing. And even as when I was a

658
00:54:12.559 --> 00:54:17.119
counselor, I never I never thought
of that, like I always over I

659
00:54:17.199 --> 00:54:22.079
always overthought everything like that. It
was it was going to be much much

660
00:54:22.119 --> 00:54:28.360
more complex to to overcome any addiction. And but but if you could just

661
00:54:28.440 --> 00:54:32.239
forgive yourself for whatever it is you've
done and have some compassion, because we're

662
00:54:32.280 --> 00:54:37.440
all in this system of mind control
of MK alter all this stuff coming as

663
00:54:37.480 --> 00:54:44.039
twenty four seven now, subliminal messaging
and all this chaos. If you're able

664
00:54:44.039 --> 00:54:46.920
to have a level of compassion so
you could forgive yourself for whatever you've done,

665
00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:54.440
you will be so much further and
get so so much more benefit than

666
00:54:54.480 --> 00:55:01.199
if you don't. And going back
to just you your journey, I mean,

667
00:55:01.280 --> 00:55:07.480
how important is it to understand the
company you keep? Well? Where

668
00:55:07.599 --> 00:55:10.719
we are products of the environment.
You know we are, And that's as

669
00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:15.360
simple as it gets. Like people
places things and the mindset of those people

670
00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:19.280
you know, like we and it's
monkey see monkey, do you know?

671
00:55:19.360 --> 00:55:23.679
That's why it's so important to control
the information you're in taking too as part

672
00:55:23.679 --> 00:55:27.440
of that environment. You know.
Yeah, it's interesting because when you said,

673
00:55:27.440 --> 00:55:30.679
when you get back to Chicago for
your grandmother's funeral, you your first

674
00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:34.800
reaction was to go to the drug
dealer, and that is it was automatical

675
00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:37.559
like it. I didn't even like
it was. It was it's like when

676
00:55:37.599 --> 00:55:42.440
you're just driving on the highway,
You're you're thinking about stuff, kind of

677
00:55:42.440 --> 00:55:45.800
paying attention, kind of not to
the road, like highway hypnosis. It

678
00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:49.239
was kind of like that, you
know, where you're just like just automatically.

679
00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:53.800
It was so odd. And and
the other thing I want to mention

680
00:55:53.960 --> 00:56:00.760
is like the other thing is I
grew up like Catholic, right, and

681
00:56:00.880 --> 00:56:07.159
you're taught like it's it's anytime you
do any wrong, you're punished and you're

682
00:56:07.159 --> 00:56:13.639
a sinner and all these things.
It's very it's a very punishing way to

683
00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:21.679
think and to believe. And I'm
not religious anymore because I understand, well,

684
00:56:22.159 --> 00:56:25.599
it's never really my choice to begin
with. But I'm not religious because

685
00:56:25.719 --> 00:56:30.679
I feel like religion puts you in
a box and anytime you're thinking outside that

686
00:56:30.719 --> 00:56:37.000
box, you're an outcast, You're
you're frowned upon. But I am very

687
00:56:37.039 --> 00:56:43.159
spiritual, you know, and that
that's another massive difference in my life.

688
00:56:43.159 --> 00:56:46.440
I'm very spiritual because I know that
there is a God, and I know

689
00:56:47.039 --> 00:56:53.480
everything in nature is just in synchronicity, and there's just so many, so

690
00:56:53.480 --> 00:56:58.320
many things in nature that if we
just look outside, we could see how

691
00:56:58.480 --> 00:57:02.280
majestic it really is, and that
we nothing doesn't create nothing out of the

692
00:57:02.320 --> 00:57:06.880
big bang, Like what a bunch
of nonsense. Dinosaurs never existed, you

693
00:57:06.920 --> 00:57:12.440
know, all these things you just
understand. So yeah, flat like all

694
00:57:12.480 --> 00:57:17.280
the vaccines is what led me into
this. But the outcome of that is

695
00:57:17.360 --> 00:57:24.599
like it's real life, you know, it's reality, and that's that's something

696
00:57:24.679 --> 00:57:28.960
no amount of money I would ever
trade for what I've learned in the past

697
00:57:29.159 --> 00:57:32.840
three years, you know. Yeah, And once again I said COVID was

698
00:57:32.960 --> 00:57:38.960
a blessing in disguise because it did
wake up so many people and and maybe

699
00:57:40.159 --> 00:57:44.440
you wouldn't be awake today if that
whole thing didn't happen. Now, you

700
00:57:44.480 --> 00:57:49.159
said, your wife, is everybody
healthy, everybody's good with Yeah, yeah,

701
00:57:49.159 --> 00:57:54.039
everybody's healthy. I hope she got
one of those uh yeah, plus

702
00:57:54.039 --> 00:58:00.079
see bows because she's bringing with our
third right now. So I you know,

703
00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:04.920
hopefully everything goes well. It's just
it's always in the back of my

704
00:58:05.000 --> 00:58:08.519
head, you know, like it's
always in the back of my head,

705
00:58:08.800 --> 00:58:15.199
all these things, you know.
But I just I think awareness is important

706
00:58:15.360 --> 00:58:19.400
and and just like you always say, like, because my my biggest thing

707
00:58:19.440 --> 00:58:22.800
was I would always bombard my wife
with all this information because I didn't It's

708
00:58:22.800 --> 00:58:27.400
not like you have a somebody to
talk to about any of this sometimes,

709
00:58:27.400 --> 00:58:30.519
so it's late at night, it's
early morning or whatever, you're just my

710
00:58:30.679 --> 00:58:34.840
barding your spouse or partner with all
this information. They're just like, dude,

711
00:58:34.880 --> 00:58:37.480
I want to change my baby's diper
right now or whatever it is,

712
00:58:37.960 --> 00:58:42.119
and you're talking about the moon landing
or whatever it is. They're just I

713
00:58:42.119 --> 00:58:47.760
think you're crazy. So it's it's
very interesting too because when I was on

714
00:58:47.800 --> 00:58:51.719
the meds, they made me.
The other thing is they made me so

715
00:58:51.800 --> 00:58:58.440
compliant. So I just followed along
because I was so I was a zombie.

716
00:58:58.519 --> 00:59:01.119
I just did what I was told
because I didn't know any other way,

717
00:59:01.360 --> 00:59:07.000
and it made me very compliant.
It made me believe the propaganda to

718
00:59:07.400 --> 00:59:13.280
a degree. And I feel like
that's a large problem with so many people

719
00:59:13.679 --> 00:59:16.639
buying into a lot of this nonsense. Is they're on all these mind altering

720
00:59:16.760 --> 00:59:22.239
chemicals and it's really you know,
it's really heaven and effect. You know,

721
00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:27.599
Yeah, you really hit the nail
on the head with the klonic pin

722
00:59:27.639 --> 00:59:31.840
and the simbalta. Those things they
make you docile, and yeah, they

723
00:59:31.920 --> 00:59:37.519
do, they really do. And
and the I never realized this, but

724
00:59:37.679 --> 00:59:42.639
coming off the antidepressant Symbalta was so
much more difficult than I ever thought it

725
00:59:42.639 --> 00:59:45.840
would be because I always thought that
would be the easiest one out of those

726
00:59:45.840 --> 00:59:50.840
meds. Now it was so crazy. It lasted so long. And the

727
00:59:50.880 --> 00:59:55.440
brains apps like you get all these
like weird electrical brains apps that come to

728
00:59:55.480 --> 01:00:01.639
you, and it's it's stabilitating at
times. And that's that's one I never

729
01:00:01.679 --> 01:00:06.960
thought would pack a powerful withdrawal punch, but it beat me up pretty good.

730
01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:12.239
So you said you started investigating vaccines
and everything, and you began digging

731
01:00:12.400 --> 01:00:15.519
into terrain theory. Was there any
books or videos or people that you followed

732
01:00:15.559 --> 01:00:21.039
that really resonated with you and helped
you with your breaking awakening to that.

733
01:00:22.039 --> 01:00:28.760
Yeah, there's a few podcasts that
Terrain theory is the name of a podcast

734
01:00:28.840 --> 01:00:31.960
actually that I found pretty recently.
That's that's a great one. It's called

735
01:00:32.039 --> 01:00:38.119
terrain theory. Yeah, and uh, which other one, Sam Tripoli?

736
01:00:38.360 --> 01:00:45.320
Uh tinfoil is a good one.
I saw a video of Andrew Kaufman,

737
01:00:46.199 --> 01:00:54.119
uh, the doctor who really puts
the terrain theory in simple terms and to

738
01:00:55.719 --> 01:01:00.920
help people understand. He's very clear
and if you just look up Andrew Kaufman.

739
01:01:00.960 --> 01:01:07.320
I believe he's responsible for a movie
called Terrain Terrain, it's just called

740
01:01:07.920 --> 01:01:12.599
that's a great movie. But if
you just think about terrain theory, like,

741
01:01:12.760 --> 01:01:16.480
there's so many things in our environment
that we just don't even think about,

742
01:01:16.559 --> 01:01:22.719
like radiation or just all these the
things, the stuff in our food,

743
01:01:22.719 --> 01:01:24.840
the g life of state and the
food, the flooride and the water.

744
01:01:25.039 --> 01:01:29.000
Well that was the other thing I
went deep on was the floor ide.

745
01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:37.639
Yeah, It's incredible how we just
brainwashed to think that flooride is good

746
01:01:37.679 --> 01:01:42.239
for you like that. That is
a level of brainwashing, you know,

747
01:01:42.719 --> 01:01:45.519
Or that g life of state isn't
a toxin, you know, or they're

748
01:01:45.519 --> 01:01:50.719
not doing chem trails you know,
like all these things. It's like we're

749
01:01:50.760 --> 01:01:52.880
taught from a young age and not
trust our senses, you know, to

750
01:01:52.920 --> 01:01:58.559
not trust our own eyes, you
know. And it's it's very sad because

751
01:01:58.559 --> 01:02:01.840
I think that's what's making people sick
is what they are eating and what they're

752
01:02:01.840 --> 01:02:07.840
consuming, more than any magical virus
or big scary virus, you know,

753
01:02:07.840 --> 01:02:12.719
because that's just a level of control. Yeah, to really understand the power

754
01:02:12.760 --> 01:02:15.880
of propaganda, I was blown away
in my I think within the first year

755
01:02:15.920 --> 01:02:21.119
of the other podcast. I went
down the floor rabbit hole and I learned

756
01:02:21.119 --> 01:02:25.679
about Edward Burney's and how this guy
ALCOA out of I think Oregon at the

757
01:02:25.719 --> 01:02:30.639
time, and they had all this
excess waste of a you know, fluoride

758
01:02:30.639 --> 01:02:35.079
from aluminum, and it was a
waste of it and they were having to

759
01:02:35.119 --> 01:02:42.960
spend so much money on getting disposing
of the waste. And as the elites

760
01:02:43.039 --> 01:02:45.599
do that, they made it into
something that's good for us. And what

761
01:02:45.639 --> 01:02:52.880
people don't know is that fluoride is
in rat poison legitimately. Don't believe me.

762
01:02:52.280 --> 01:02:55.159
Look it up for yourselves, guys. It's literally in rat poison.

763
01:02:55.199 --> 01:03:00.800
Then people will argue with you that, oh that's goodness, just such small

764
01:03:00.880 --> 01:03:06.280
amounts. I'm like, come on, man, yeah, people, it's

765
01:03:06.320 --> 01:03:09.880
like anything you're taught at a young
age, those ideas or thoughts stick with

766
01:03:09.960 --> 01:03:14.960
you like the part of your identity. So when somebody challenges them, challenges

767
01:03:15.079 --> 01:03:19.000
them, you fight to the death
almost And that's that's the thing, because

768
01:03:19.159 --> 01:03:22.199
that's the power of like the whole
globe thing too. That's why they put

769
01:03:22.199 --> 01:03:24.159
it globes in every classroom because they
get to you young, you know.

770
01:03:24.719 --> 01:03:30.000
So for you, you had to
go through all of these different the moon

771
01:03:30.119 --> 01:03:34.320
landing through vaccines for you to Yeah, I went through quite a bit of

772
01:03:34.320 --> 01:03:37.039
them before I even before I even
entertained flat Earth. Like I didn't even

773
01:03:37.280 --> 01:03:40.480
I just saw we've been spending going
nowhere, and like I didn't even think

774
01:03:40.519 --> 01:03:45.079
about it because I was so enthralled
with my own nonsense, you know.

775
01:03:46.920 --> 01:03:51.760
But I mean, it's just And
the one video to really do it for

776
01:03:51.800 --> 01:03:55.280
me was that go Fast video that
rocket where just boom, it hits that

777
01:03:55.400 --> 01:04:00.519
the firmament just just it doesn't explode
or nothing, It just like drops,

778
01:04:00.559 --> 01:04:06.079
you know, And that sound it
made is so distinct, you know that

779
01:04:06.199 --> 01:04:10.280
video. Yeah, it just hits
the thud that just stops and it's it's

780
01:04:10.320 --> 01:04:15.079
just a thud, and it's so
Yeah, that is such a such a

781
01:04:15.119 --> 01:04:18.320
powerful video and it's just all these
things. And then I have one of

782
01:04:18.320 --> 01:04:24.800
those infrared thermometers that shoots the little
laser pointer to take the temperature. Yes,

783
01:04:25.559 --> 01:04:30.360
and just doing that with a full
moon, you know, just messing

784
01:04:30.360 --> 01:04:32.880
around that one night I did it
where it's like the moonlight and moon shade

785
01:04:32.920 --> 01:04:36.360
and how there's no way that's reflecting
the sun. That's the biggest bunch of

786
01:04:36.400 --> 01:04:42.000
nonsense ever. And the moonlight being
colder than the moon shade. Yeah,

787
01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:45.840
that's what when I trotted, it
was three or four degree difference. Oh

788
01:04:45.920 --> 01:04:47.039
yeah, yeah, easily, Yeah, that's what I think. Yeah,

789
01:04:47.119 --> 01:04:51.599
mine was four. And it's like
that if that's the sun being reflected,

790
01:04:51.639 --> 01:04:57.559
that that that right, there should
be enough for people to just speak in

791
01:04:57.559 --> 01:05:00.000
the journey, you know, yeah, I said on the interview I did.

792
01:05:00.280 --> 01:05:03.760
I said, uh, that challenge
everybody to go outside, get a

793
01:05:03.840 --> 01:05:06.840
rock, shine a light on it, and show me a reflection that can

794
01:05:06.880 --> 01:05:11.800
be seen from X amount of miles
away. Oh there you go. Yeah,

795
01:05:11.840 --> 01:05:15.400
there's no way, that's just a
rock, dusty rock in space.

796
01:05:15.480 --> 01:05:17.559
You know, there's just no way, you know, no possibility whatsoever.

797
01:05:18.079 --> 01:05:24.280
And and I have one of those
DJI drones you know. So I'm always

798
01:05:24.280 --> 01:05:30.559
messing with it with like sunsets and
sunrises, and it's so just obvious,

799
01:05:30.559 --> 01:05:34.599
like we live on a flat plane. It's just so like once you're exposed,

800
01:05:34.599 --> 01:05:39.719
you can't be on exposed, you
know. So it's just so obvious.

801
01:05:39.760 --> 01:05:42.840
And then being from Chicago, like
I have been to that beach where

802
01:05:42.880 --> 01:05:46.119
you could see fifty three miles to
the Chicago skyline like that, that that

803
01:05:46.280 --> 01:05:50.320
is so right in our faces.
And people still will defend the globe even

804
01:05:50.400 --> 01:05:56.639
after seeing stuff like that. It's
crazy. How did you come across flatter?

805
01:05:56.840 --> 01:06:00.639
What was the very first thing?
Because oh it was the very first

806
01:06:00.639 --> 01:06:05.920
thing. Was the was it hibbler? I'm not sure the level documentary?

807
01:06:06.760 --> 01:06:10.199
It was that, and I just
I saw it. I don't know what

808
01:06:10.400 --> 01:06:14.119
sight I was on. I saw
it and I thought it was a good

809
01:06:14.119 --> 01:06:19.320
idea. Get to watch it with
my wife and we made it thirteen minutes

810
01:06:19.360 --> 01:06:25.440
into it before she was just like
she was like making fun of him,

811
01:06:25.440 --> 01:06:27.840
like laughing, when I was like, hey, just give him a chance,

812
01:06:27.840 --> 01:06:31.079
because at the time I hadn't been
deep down. I've only been into

813
01:06:31.119 --> 01:06:34.840
other conspiracies and and I was like, just give him a chance. Just

814
01:06:34.920 --> 01:06:39.599
open your mind a little bit,
and she just she couldn't watch it like

815
01:06:39.639 --> 01:06:43.119
she it was it was crazy.
And and then after watching that, I

816
01:06:43.159 --> 01:06:45.599
was like, wow, Wow,
I can't believe how dumb I was this

817
01:06:45.639 --> 01:06:48.280
whole time. I can't believe.
I can't believe the people in my life,

818
01:06:48.280 --> 01:06:53.400
the adults in my life, just
like grandparents, everybody didn't catch on

819
01:06:53.440 --> 01:06:57.559
to this, you know, didn't
didn't inform me about any of this,

820
01:06:57.639 --> 01:07:00.559
you know. But it makes sense
because propaganda is so deep and so thick

821
01:07:00.639 --> 01:07:03.519
from such a young age. Yeah, and everything is so cleverly crafted.

822
01:07:03.599 --> 01:07:09.960
During the fifties that they took the
German Foo fighters a lot of the captured

823
01:07:10.679 --> 01:07:13.679
things that they have, they brought
them to America, they crashed them,

824
01:07:13.679 --> 01:07:17.760
and they started reporting them as you
know space alien spacecraft crashes. And then

825
01:07:17.760 --> 01:07:23.440
of course your TVs in the movies
in the fifties and sixties with the Star

826
01:07:23.519 --> 01:07:27.519
Treks and everything else. I say
it all the time, we pay for

827
01:07:27.559 --> 01:07:31.159
our own indoctrination. It's it's crazy, it's so true. It's so true.

828
01:07:31.280 --> 01:07:40.480
Like a television is a documented military
weapon used to brainwash and a modified

829
01:07:40.480 --> 01:07:45.000
behavior that's a documented military weapon.
Yet we walk around with phone screens,

830
01:07:45.119 --> 01:07:49.400
TV's in our pocket, not thinking
anything of it. And the reason advertising

831
01:07:49.440 --> 01:07:51.800
it works is because no one thinks
it will work on them. It's kind

832
01:07:51.800 --> 01:07:57.119
of the same thing, right,
Oh, like you know, we say

833
01:07:57.159 --> 01:07:59.800
we can watch it, it won't
bother us. And I'm looking through my

834
01:08:00.199 --> 01:08:02.840
because I interviewed somebody the other night
and he had mentioned I think his name

835
01:08:02.880 --> 01:08:11.000
was doctor Articus Luce, who actually
has a patent on the lights on TV

836
01:08:11.519 --> 01:08:14.480
and he didn't even have one in
his house. It's a really crazy story

837
01:08:14.519 --> 01:08:18.399
how just the lights alone can manipulate
the way you think, not even the

838
01:08:18.439 --> 01:08:23.960
program that's on, but the way
the lighting on the TV works. Oh

839
01:08:24.079 --> 01:08:28.640
yeah, yeah, these LEDs,
all these things. There's a book called

840
01:08:29.039 --> 01:08:33.199
Health and Light by doctor John Ott. It was written in the seventies.

841
01:08:33.199 --> 01:08:38.640
I want to say. He spent
a long time in the business world and

842
01:08:38.640 --> 01:08:44.800
then I got out of it to
do photography and he goes deep diving into

843
01:08:45.000 --> 01:08:49.800
environmental factors and artificial lights. And
I cannot recommend that book enough to get

844
01:08:49.840 --> 01:08:56.119
into this topic because like fluorescent lights, for example, in schools and government

845
01:08:56.159 --> 01:09:01.560
buildings and gyms and all this,
those are responsible probably for the ADHD.

846
01:09:01.680 --> 01:09:05.239
You see everywhere, because how do
you focus in something you're not supposed to

847
01:09:05.279 --> 01:09:10.000
be, Like, our eyes are
not supposed to see that spectrum, you

848
01:09:10.000 --> 01:09:14.640
know, and so it damages our
eyes, you know, and causes focus

849
01:09:14.680 --> 01:09:18.319
is just causes uh, being lethargic, being tired, being brain fogged up,

850
01:09:18.359 --> 01:09:23.479
you know. And it's just like
all these factors, and then then

851
01:09:23.520 --> 01:09:27.199
they're going to take away the incandescent
bulbs, which are the only kind of

852
01:09:27.279 --> 01:09:31.720
light bulb that that doesn't have a
harmful impact on us. And it's just

853
01:09:31.760 --> 01:09:36.239
like things like that just are clearly
ways to weaken us. And when we're

854
01:09:36.279 --> 01:09:42.000
weak, we're easily controlled, easily
manipulated. And so the more weak we

855
01:09:42.079 --> 01:09:44.840
are as a society, the more
we're going to be controlled and enslaved.

856
01:09:44.880 --> 01:09:48.039
And it's like, you know,
the last thing these over overlords want are

857
01:09:49.159 --> 01:09:56.079
population of united, powerful, healthy, independent leaders, right, That's right

858
01:09:56.119 --> 01:10:00.359
now, that's the last thing.
So it's it's like anything they could do

859
01:10:00.439 --> 01:10:03.560
to weaken the population, they're going
to do. And it's dividing conquer and

860
01:10:03.680 --> 01:10:08.159
history has always been peasants versus elite, you know, it's just disguise better

861
01:10:08.520 --> 01:10:12.520
nowadays. Yeah, Yeah, and
that's why they push this Uh, this

862
01:10:12.600 --> 01:10:17.359
gay trans agenda, take this puberty
blocker, take this. You know that

863
01:10:17.399 --> 01:10:21.039
they want they don't want men that
they don't want. That's why they don't.

864
01:10:21.159 --> 01:10:26.800
That's why they created the word toxic
masculinity. Think about that, Yeah,

865
01:10:26.920 --> 01:10:30.279
think about that. It's just and
it's all just inverse of reality,

866
01:10:30.399 --> 01:10:34.399
just all all this stuff like it's
it's all And even in nineteen oh four,

867
01:10:34.439 --> 01:10:39.000
I think it was, there was
a car that was powered on water

868
01:10:39.359 --> 01:10:45.319
that could go four hundred miles seventy
five miles per hour, and it's like

869
01:10:45.600 --> 01:10:48.399
all that, all that technology,
old world technology is just hidden from us,

870
01:10:48.520 --> 01:10:54.079
so we'd buy into this big oil
plastic, big plastic bullshit everywhere.

871
01:10:54.760 --> 01:10:58.520
So, uh, it contributes to
the system. It's money into the system,

872
01:10:58.760 --> 01:11:00.199
because if you're able to get free
energy, then there's no need for

873
01:11:00.279 --> 01:11:05.720
government. There's no need for any
government ever there. It's just government is

874
01:11:05.760 --> 01:11:10.960
just such a it's such a scam, honestly. Yeah, And that is

875
01:11:11.039 --> 01:11:13.960
very much an important part of the
matrix though that that's another bill that they

876
01:11:14.000 --> 01:11:15.600
need you to keep working, to
keep paying so you don't sit down and

877
01:11:15.640 --> 01:11:18.800
think about and talk about what we're
doing today. By the way, that

878
01:11:18.880 --> 01:11:23.720
was Stanley Meyer and his water fuel
cell and he was killed as well.

879
01:11:24.239 --> 01:11:30.319
In nineteen ninety eight, I think
he was met with some guys from Brussels,

880
01:11:30.319 --> 01:11:32.520
from Belgium. They were supposed to
be investors, and they poisoned his

881
01:11:32.600 --> 01:11:35.479
cranberry juice and he died in the
park and letting his arms of his brother.

882
01:11:36.399 --> 01:11:41.680
That's how that's something. Yeah,
that's they have no problem. And

883
01:11:41.960 --> 01:11:45.520
the guy who was the security guard
at the top shooting in Buffalo, he

884
01:11:45.600 --> 01:11:50.479
was a retired police officer who would
also come up with a water fuel cell

885
01:11:50.600 --> 01:11:59.920
and they killed him. Just it's
it's unbelievable what I think Victor Victor schell

886
01:12:00.159 --> 01:12:03.960
Burger was his name, who came
up with like electro culture where you put

887
01:12:04.960 --> 01:12:12.079
you put a rod into your plants
outside and you wrap around copper wire around

888
01:12:12.119 --> 01:12:15.680
it and it harnesses the free energy, the ether, and that makes your

889
01:12:15.680 --> 01:12:20.680
plants grow so much more. Do
you have you heard about this? Say

890
01:12:20.760 --> 01:12:25.960
that one more time? Have you
heard about electro culture? Electro Are you

891
01:12:25.960 --> 01:12:29.439
talking about the in the garden?
Yes, yes, yes, sir,

892
01:12:29.520 --> 01:12:32.159
yes, sir, oh okay okay. I wasn't sure because that that's that

893
01:12:32.319 --> 01:12:38.000
introduces you to like Victor Schallberger and
how he came up with in a similar

894
01:12:38.039 --> 01:12:43.840
story, how he flew over to
the States to tell our government about that

895
01:12:43.920 --> 01:12:46.920
and then he winds up dead very
shortly after. It's like all all these

896
01:12:46.920 --> 01:12:50.359
things, you know, uh,
you know, it's interesting. We we

897
01:12:50.399 --> 01:12:54.880
actually have listeners who put who puts
antennas in the ground in their gardens.

898
01:12:55.600 --> 01:12:57.800
Oh, that's what I do.
Yeah, that's what I got. Blueberries

899
01:12:57.840 --> 01:13:01.159
I got, yeah, all sorts
of strawberries, blackberries, and they just

900
01:13:01.159 --> 01:13:05.399
go nuts. You know, it
clearly does something like clearly benefits you know,

901
01:13:06.880 --> 01:13:13.359
Victor Schallberger. Yeah, Victor Schallberger. And there's a very good uh

902
01:13:14.239 --> 01:13:19.000
channel on YouTube called Cultivate Elevate,
and that's, uh, that's how you'll

903
01:13:19.039 --> 01:13:25.640
get a lot of a lot of
electro cultures information. I'm gonna pull that

904
01:13:25.720 --> 01:13:28.680
up. What was that called again
so I can put it on Cultivate Elevate.

905
01:13:28.840 --> 01:13:33.000
Cultivate elevate. That sounds familiar culture. Yeah, Matt wrote Rowski or

906
01:13:33.399 --> 01:13:38.119
I can't pronounce his last name,
but it's Matt row Rowski or something.

907
01:13:38.439 --> 01:13:41.479
Oh. Well, I'm not subscribed, that is, he's got about close

908
01:13:41.520 --> 01:13:45.000
to fifty thousand. Yeah, subs
very interesting. Yeah, and yeah,

909
01:13:45.000 --> 01:13:49.319
he's uh yeah, his story is
incredible too. It's just all all these

910
01:13:49.359 --> 01:13:55.319
people. I feel feel like,
when you get to like a certain age,

911
01:13:55.439 --> 01:14:00.840
you have enough life experience to understand
what's a scam and what's not,

912
01:14:00.039 --> 01:14:05.239
you know. And it's just really
because I always picture like, what would

913
01:14:05.279 --> 01:14:11.600
this world look like if if truth
was always presented to us, like by

914
01:14:11.680 --> 01:14:15.239
the there wouldn't be a government,
right, there wouldn't be a need for

915
01:14:15.319 --> 01:14:18.399
government to you know, just all
these things. We would be more community

916
01:14:18.439 --> 01:14:25.479
based, would be more connected to
people in real life. But I don't

917
01:14:25.479 --> 01:14:28.960
know, you know, I don't
know how to bridge that gap, you

918
01:14:29.000 --> 01:14:34.039
know. You know, it's interesting
these psychopaths they think in their mind that

919
01:14:34.079 --> 01:14:40.520
they're actually doing good for us.
They think that the wars and everything is

920
01:14:41.199 --> 01:14:43.600
you know, helpful to air quotes
here. I don't use this term,

921
01:14:43.640 --> 01:14:48.600
but mother Earth and you know,
creating this welfare society, you know,

922
01:14:48.720 --> 01:14:54.560
helping out the people. It's I
say this all the time. There's a

923
01:14:54.560 --> 01:14:59.239
lot of people who I'm not sure
they could handle pure freedom. People would

924
01:14:59.239 --> 01:15:03.159
struggle if they got zapped back to
the to the sixteen hundreds and having to

925
01:15:03.199 --> 01:15:06.720
work. I lived in a very
austere environment from two thousand and three to

926
01:15:06.760 --> 01:15:10.680
two thousand and four in the middle
of the desert with nothing, so you

927
01:15:10.840 --> 01:15:17.199
worked. Everything was done for a
reason, being smart about your water resources,

928
01:15:17.600 --> 01:15:23.199
conserving food, and everything we do
here on the homestead is is you

929
01:15:23.239 --> 01:15:28.399
know, the energy we put into
is to produce and preserve food for the

930
01:15:28.479 --> 01:15:31.760
future. And I was telling I
was a guest on somebody's podcast last week,

931
01:15:31.800 --> 01:15:35.159
and I say, you know,
when you see these YouTube channels that

932
01:15:35.199 --> 01:15:39.640
are based on homesteading, you mostly
only see the sexy side of it,

933
01:15:39.760 --> 01:15:43.520
right. You see the chickens running
around and all the cool stuff. But

934
01:15:43.560 --> 01:15:45.680
what you don't see is getting up
at five thirty seven days a week,

935
01:15:46.199 --> 01:15:50.399
Right, I haven't slept in in
two years, And you don't see the

936
01:15:50.439 --> 01:15:54.239
miserable part of it. Yeah,
yeah, and losing a chicken and think

937
01:15:54.279 --> 01:15:57.239
because they become family. There's a
lot of rough side to it. But

938
01:15:57.279 --> 01:16:00.439
at the end of the day,
if you do want true freedom, it

939
01:16:00.520 --> 01:16:05.560
takes a lot of time and a
lot of effort, definitely. And I

940
01:16:06.119 --> 01:16:14.239
think the other part of it is
is if we could have that old world

941
01:16:14.359 --> 01:16:18.600
technology whatever they were harnessed into,
how they built those cathedrals, and all

942
01:16:18.680 --> 01:16:24.479
these immaculate places that can never be
built today. If we gets happened too,

943
01:16:24.520 --> 01:16:30.600
that without all this big oil and
big just plastic nonsense, I think,

944
01:16:30.680 --> 01:16:33.439
and live in truth and harmony.
I think that would be amazing,

945
01:16:33.520 --> 01:16:39.359
you know. But you know that's
first we got to find out what they're

946
01:16:39.399 --> 01:16:43.279
harnessed into, you know, and
and go from there. But I think

947
01:16:43.359 --> 01:16:45.520
there's the other thing is like Mount
Have you ever been to Mount Rushmore?

948
01:16:45.800 --> 01:16:48.640
I have not. No, I
have not. Oh you haven't. Well

949
01:16:50.199 --> 01:16:57.680
even there, like you get there
and it's just like the tones of the

950
01:16:58.520 --> 01:17:03.560
rock, the color tones, it's
so different than the natural mountain right,

951
01:17:03.640 --> 01:17:08.279
Like it's just it's just different tone. It's like it's concrete. It's like

952
01:17:08.319 --> 01:17:11.680
it's cement. And it kind of
makes sense because you look back at some

953
01:17:11.720 --> 01:17:15.159
of those pictures. It's like that
was probably a Hollywood thing too, you

954
01:17:15.199 --> 01:17:17.560
know, and then they put up
fancy plaques and all this. Yeah,

955
01:17:17.640 --> 01:17:24.199
and it's it's like it just becomes
all these things just become obvious because like

956
01:17:24.319 --> 01:17:27.479
you they did. They didn't just
do that with hammer, chisel and dynamite,

957
01:17:27.520 --> 01:17:33.680
like you didn't just you know,
come on now, it is Yeah,

958
01:17:33.239 --> 01:17:36.039
it's just crazy, you know.
And then and then people will travel

959
01:17:36.079 --> 01:17:40.800
all across the country to go visit
this place, and these overlords just laughing,

960
01:17:40.880 --> 01:17:44.039
you know. Yeah, I picture
him just at a big table,

961
01:17:44.119 --> 01:17:48.560
just laughing their ass off, you
know. Yeah. And for me,

962
01:17:49.359 --> 01:17:54.000
once I hit flat Earth, it
really took flat Earth for me to understand

963
01:17:54.000 --> 01:17:57.479
that everything was a lie. Like
I was always going down rabbit holes and

964
01:17:57.520 --> 01:18:00.359
I'd have to think, I wonder. But then once you you hit flat

965
01:18:00.399 --> 01:18:03.800
Earth, and then you understand like
the most basic thing that you were taught

966
01:18:03.880 --> 01:18:09.520
as a child in the crib,
right that they tell you Santa Claus,

967
01:18:10.039 --> 01:18:13.640
there's a guy who lives in the
North Pole who who gives you gifts and

968
01:18:13.680 --> 01:18:15.479
the world is round. And then
you know, seven or eight years later

969
01:18:15.520 --> 01:18:19.159
they tell you one is a lie, but the other one is yeah.

970
01:18:19.239 --> 01:18:24.000
Yeah, just that alone, I
mean, that is so messed up to

971
01:18:24.039 --> 01:18:26.680
do to a child when you think
about it, because you're teaching them it's

972
01:18:27.000 --> 01:18:29.560
we're gonna lie to you, but
it's not okay for you to lie.

973
01:18:30.119 --> 01:18:33.000
Like what is that? You know, Like the whole Santa Claus thing is

974
01:18:33.039 --> 01:18:40.680
such a ridiculous thing to to,
you know, I still talk have the

975
01:18:40.720 --> 01:18:45.960
base with my wife currently where it's
like I personally would rather not do it,

976
01:18:45.039 --> 01:18:48.079
she would, and you know,
we'll come with a compromise. But

977
01:18:48.239 --> 01:18:51.600
I feel like it's unfair to a
innocent child to do that to him,

978
01:18:51.680 --> 01:18:55.520
you know, Yeah, for sure. And it is something that we all

979
01:18:55.560 --> 01:19:01.479
struggle with because it goes back to
traditionalism and the feelings we had as a

980
01:19:01.560 --> 01:19:05.000
child and coming down the steps and
seeing the gifts. And I think that's

981
01:19:05.079 --> 01:19:10.279
one way I always use the term
controllers, how they use our emotions against

982
01:19:10.399 --> 01:19:14.439
us. Yeah, yeah, And
I think I think this goes back like

983
01:19:14.600 --> 01:19:20.800
hundreds of years honestly, just with
this overlord class and their ability to like

984
01:19:21.000 --> 01:19:27.199
hack into our minds per se,
like with various techniques like technology is a

985
01:19:27.239 --> 01:19:30.239
little different, but it's still the
same same concept, and that is,

986
01:19:30.399 --> 01:19:35.000
if you control, could divide and
conquer and control the thoughts and the the

987
01:19:35.479 --> 01:19:40.680
ideas of the population, you'll control
everything. And that's what they've been able

988
01:19:40.720 --> 01:19:45.239
to do so effectively up until this
point one hundred percent. One question I

989
01:19:45.279 --> 01:19:48.960
did want to ask you was have
you had any luck sharing this knowledge,

990
01:19:49.000 --> 01:19:54.720
whether it be flat earth terrain theory, vaccines, have you had a need

991
01:19:54.800 --> 01:19:59.479
luck sharing it with other people.
Oh, I've shared it with other people.

992
01:20:00.000 --> 01:20:03.479
I've definitely shared it with many other
people. But that that was the

993
01:20:03.600 --> 01:20:08.279
other thing I wanted to get into, is you share this with people and

994
01:20:08.399 --> 01:20:14.720
then you're you're the weirdo because of
the level of mind control and brainwashing and

995
01:20:14.800 --> 01:20:18.439
propaganda that you're you're you're over having
to overcome, like you're having to overcome

996
01:20:19.079 --> 01:20:27.239
decades of brainwashing with a few statements
about a few conspiracy theories to these folks,

997
01:20:27.279 --> 01:20:30.800
you know, and I used to
So when you're going down these rabbit

998
01:20:30.840 --> 01:20:34.600
holes, you're trying to share it
with people because you want to see what

999
01:20:34.760 --> 01:20:39.880
they think and see if they know
anything about this stuff. But the problem

1000
01:20:39.960 --> 01:20:45.000
is that becomes very isolating and very
very lonely in its own way, because

1001
01:20:45.039 --> 01:20:48.039
you realize, wow, everybody around
me is brainwashing. Everybody around me is

1002
01:20:48.399 --> 01:20:55.439
under some kind of spell. Everybody
around me is like, is I don't

1003
01:20:55.479 --> 01:21:00.800
know if everybody around me is just
to a brainwash to a level where I

1004
01:21:00.840 --> 01:21:02.039
don't even know if I want to
share it with them anymore, you know,

1005
01:21:02.439 --> 01:21:05.399
And then you become like the outcast
in itself, you know, So,

1006
01:21:08.119 --> 01:21:11.199
yeah, I don't do it anymore, But there wasn't Now I do

1007
01:21:11.319 --> 01:21:14.640
it online like on Reddit and Facebook
and all these things, you know,

1008
01:21:15.439 --> 01:21:17.279
right, Yeah, it's that.
That is something I think all of us

1009
01:21:18.039 --> 01:21:23.199
have a challenge with is what we
do as we become more hit to the

1010
01:21:23.319 --> 01:21:28.079
lies and realize that, you know, this is a huge psychological operation and

1011
01:21:28.199 --> 01:21:31.319
this is a prison planet where they
want you to believe where your vote makes

1012
01:21:31.399 --> 01:21:35.880
a difference and these type of things, and people are uh, you know,

1013
01:21:36.079 --> 01:21:42.399
right against left, and they divide
us with every possible thing. Everything

1014
01:21:42.560 --> 01:21:45.079
is to choose this side or that
side everything exactly, and that is to

1015
01:21:45.199 --> 01:21:50.119
keep us arguing against each other instead
of realizing that the people at the top

1016
01:21:50.159 --> 01:21:55.840
of the problem. Yeah, yeah, it's uh. And I wonder because

1017
01:21:56.560 --> 01:22:00.119
we need humans need like a need
to follow in a way like we need

1018
01:22:00.199 --> 01:22:03.359
an authority figure. So if you
take out this whole overload classes, just

1019
01:22:03.399 --> 01:22:08.720
be somebody else to step up.
But I mean there the problem is is

1020
01:22:08.840 --> 01:22:14.159
like people are dying because of the
level of propaganda, Like people are dying

1021
01:22:14.520 --> 01:22:18.439
at a clip never before seen in
history. And and to just sit back

1022
01:22:18.479 --> 01:22:23.039
and not do anything is you can't
you know, you gotta do something.

1023
01:22:23.119 --> 01:22:28.479
You know, I couldn't agree more
and I think anybody who has the knowledge

1024
01:22:28.520 --> 01:22:30.760
we do have to do our best
to share it, whether like you said,

1025
01:22:30.800 --> 01:22:34.920
on a Reddit or on Facebook,
or you know, if you're like

1026
01:22:35.119 --> 01:22:39.479
something that I'm working on. Eventually
I'll get it done, folks. I

1027
01:22:39.600 --> 01:22:44.960
promise where you can purnt out cards
or or leaflets and leave them in places

1028
01:22:45.039 --> 01:22:46.720
away if you go to the mall, to a restaurant and you know,

1029
01:22:46.920 --> 01:22:50.479
somebody comes by and picks it up, and maybe just maybe they look at

1030
01:22:50.520 --> 01:22:54.399
the website and they watch a two
minute video when it changes their life.

1031
01:22:54.439 --> 01:22:59.439
Because when they say knowledge is power, that might be the greatest understatement of

1032
01:22:59.479 --> 01:23:03.359
the century. It really could,
because it's honestly, the difference between me

1033
01:23:04.840 --> 01:23:12.399
me being like my old self and
actively using drugs and chemicals to me being

1034
01:23:12.479 --> 01:23:17.199
here today, Like it's that big
of a game changer. This information is

1035
01:23:17.279 --> 01:23:23.720
so powerful in that way where once
once you see it and you realize like

1036
01:23:23.960 --> 01:23:27.840
you do have a purpose, you
do have a reason to live. You're

1037
01:23:27.880 --> 01:23:34.840
not just some random being spinning in
outer space with all these massive, massive

1038
01:23:34.880 --> 01:23:41.399
planets and an infinite amount of galaxies. Once you come to realize like there

1039
01:23:41.560 --> 01:23:44.640
is a god, there is a
creator, you are here for a reason

1040
01:23:45.439 --> 01:23:50.520
you this place was designed. We
live in under a Dahm er fermament,

1041
01:23:50.680 --> 01:23:55.439
like all these things, like once
you realize it's so powerful where there's no

1042
01:23:55.640 --> 01:23:59.239
need to do drugs, there's no
you don't no desire to do drugs in

1043
01:23:59.359 --> 01:24:02.680
that world of truth, Like there's
no no way you want to use drugs

1044
01:24:02.960 --> 01:24:08.680
because you realize we are so there's
only one of you here, there's only

1045
01:24:08.760 --> 01:24:13.039
one of you, and when you
whenever I encounter anybody, I really cherish

1046
01:24:13.119 --> 01:24:15.520
the moment like that we ran into
each other, whatever it is, because

1047
01:24:15.560 --> 01:24:21.520
that's such a special moment in time
and we're very unique. And just the

1048
01:24:21.560 --> 01:24:28.079
ability to be yourself there's such an
amazing, amazing opportunity, and I think

1049
01:24:28.159 --> 01:24:30.239
we just take it for granted,
you know, especially when you're on substances.

1050
01:24:31.520 --> 01:24:35.600
Yeah, you nailed that perfectly.
And we are coming up on our

1051
01:24:35.680 --> 01:24:42.600
ninety minutes and it's been just a
tremendous learning experience and you've been very honest,

1052
01:24:42.680 --> 01:24:45.840
and I know that's that's why it's
so important when I love to have

1053
01:24:45.920 --> 01:24:48.119
people on who share their journey,
because there's always somewhere you know. This

1054
01:24:48.239 --> 01:24:56.920
podcast has listened to literally around our
geocentric plane. And I always get replies

1055
01:24:57.000 --> 01:25:00.800
from every single person I've ever had
that it resonates with them, So I'm

1056
01:25:00.840 --> 01:25:03.159
sure your message is going to resonate
with so many people. And as you

1057
01:25:03.279 --> 01:25:08.479
mentioned, I want to read the
last two sentences you wrote, fifth generation

1058
01:25:08.560 --> 01:25:13.239
warfare is real and it's happening.
We're being attacked on all fronts while arguing

1059
01:25:13.279 --> 01:25:15.840
about the attack, and then you
close with I've been clean and sober for

1060
01:25:15.920 --> 01:25:20.239
three years now and it's changed everything
about me, change as possible, and

1061
01:25:20.319 --> 01:25:25.319
if I can do it, anyone
can. And that's very powerful stuff.

1062
01:25:25.399 --> 01:25:27.960
And you've been very humble and honest
with your story. And I want to

1063
01:25:28.000 --> 01:25:31.079
give you the stage here for the
last couple of minutes to close with anything

1064
01:25:31.119 --> 01:25:34.920
you'd like to say. Yeah,
I just I just want to tell people

1065
01:25:35.439 --> 01:25:40.319
to have hope, even when the
cards are stacked against you, even when

1066
01:25:40.439 --> 01:25:45.039
you think there's no way out of
whatever mess you've created for yourself. Just

1067
01:25:45.279 --> 01:25:49.680
understand you do have the power.
Your one decision away from changing your entire

1068
01:25:49.800 --> 01:25:55.920
life, and this information and the
journey to the truth can get you there,

1069
01:25:56.520 --> 01:26:01.920
and the ability to forgive yourself and
have compassion because we are products of

1070
01:26:02.000 --> 01:26:08.039
this environment, and this environment is
so crazy with the propaganda and everything coming

1071
01:26:08.079 --> 01:26:11.920
out of twenty four seven, that
have some compassion for yourself and if you're

1072
01:26:12.039 --> 01:26:15.520
enslaved to even to any substance,
like just know there is hope. And

1073
01:26:15.800 --> 01:26:19.520
I was the worst of the worst, and I was a drug counselor that

1074
01:26:19.680 --> 01:26:25.800
used with clients, Like doesn't get
much worse than that. And if I'm

1075
01:26:26.079 --> 01:26:31.640
still here, still alive, still
trying to spread the message like you could

1076
01:26:31.720 --> 01:26:35.239
do it too, Like anything is
possible. Our minds are the most powerful

1077
01:26:36.079 --> 01:26:41.560
entity in this universe. Honestly,
that's they're so powerful. We have no

1078
01:26:41.680 --> 01:26:45.479
idea the power of our minds.
And yeah, just be the change you

1079
01:26:45.560 --> 01:26:49.520
want to see in the world is
the other thing, you know, perfectly

1080
01:26:49.840 --> 01:26:55.800
perfectly said and a great way to
close this fantastic podcast. I want to

1081
01:26:55.880 --> 01:27:00.199
thank Tommy again for reaching out and
coming on. And please make sure,

1082
01:27:00.279 --> 01:27:04.279
folks you check the show description.
There'll be a lot of links in there

1083
01:27:04.640 --> 01:27:09.800
and a message from Tommy as well. His email address will be in there

1084
01:27:09.880 --> 01:27:14.680
so you can reach out to him. And I guess that's it for this

1085
01:27:14.800 --> 01:27:20.800
episode. It's been a wonderful one
and very eye opening and you know if

1086
01:27:21.279 --> 01:27:25.800
it's such a powerful statement that you
know, many of us have been through

1087
01:27:25.880 --> 01:27:29.960
so much in our lives, but
if you just stay the course, you

1088
01:27:30.039 --> 01:27:33.399
know, things will look up for
you and and it's amazing. I guess

1089
01:27:33.439 --> 01:27:36.840
the other thing I should say is
is what we can see with a clear

1090
01:27:38.000 --> 01:27:45.880
mind, and we're able to see
through the lies that this world perpetuates upon

1091
01:27:45.039 --> 01:27:48.399
us. So again, thank you
Tommy so much for joining us on this

1092
01:27:48.600 --> 01:27:54.279
podcast. Thank you to all the
listeners for all your continued support. We

1093
01:27:54.399 --> 01:27:59.359
greatly appreciate it. Don't forget to
check the website, the flat earth Files

1094
01:27:59.359 --> 01:28:02.279
at gmail dot com. Excuse me, the website is the flat earth files

1095
01:28:02.319 --> 01:28:09.640
dot com and reach out via email
like Tommy did to the flat earth Files

1096
01:28:09.880 --> 01:28:12.880
at gmail dot com. For Tommy, I'm George. Thank you guys so

1097
01:28:13.000 --> 01:28:15.239
much for your continued support. God
bless you all and keep your head on

1098
01:28:15.319 --> 01:28:18.560
a swivel until the next time we
see you. We will see you.