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In a familiar tale, a Florida
high school has concerned parents reporting that a

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math teacher's sugary attempt at divine indoctrination
has been occurring. The teacher, armed

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with Christmas pamphlets, leads students on
a divine journey involving candy canes, questionable

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biblical interpretations, and downright nonsense.
The Freedom from Religion Foundations Chris Line steps

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in reminding the school district of the
establishment clause and the fine line between education

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and indoctrination with a dash of humor. Co President of the Freedom From Religion

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Foundation, Laurie glor quips public schools
it is to educate, not to discriminate

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or indoctrinate into religion. It's up
to parents, not math teachers, to

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decide religious upbringings. Unwrapping the absurdity, FFRF calls for divine discipline in the

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classroom. This story is from the
Freedom From Religion Foundation on the fourth of

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January twenty twenty four, and unfortunately
there isn't a whole this story, but

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as always, kudos to the FFRL
for being on the forefront of the battle

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against religion in our public schools.
It's an important job and I'm glad they're

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due there they are, they're doing
it toy boat, toy boat, toy

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boat. It really bothers me that
in today's day and age, that there's

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still people, still still people that
have the idea that this ardent apparent preaching

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is going to be legal somehow in
a public school. I have no idea

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how they think it's going to be
they're going to be able to get away

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with it. And it makes me
wonder where these people have been living at

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and so that they still have these
nineteenth century ideals instead of living in the

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modern day. They have to know
what they're doing is wrong legally, So

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why do they keep doing it?
What is it that keeps driving them to

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keep going? Do they think their
God is going to protect them from prosecution?

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I said prosecution, not persecution.
Their God hasn't been able to protect

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them from the constitution yet, so
why would they think this is going to

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be any different? Why, in
fact, why is the constitution stronger than

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their God? What's going on there? Why do they think? What's the

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mindset of these people that they have
no idea that they're going to get stomped

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by this? I just don't get
it. Jimmy, do you want to

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add something to that. I think
they think that repetition is key here,

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and they're probably just trying to nudge
their little plan along to maybe kind of,

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I don't know, pull up the
big fish one day and get away

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with it. This is not really
something we are unfamiliar with, right we

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see. I guess I'm going to
use the word attacks on children or victimization

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on children when it comes to this
kind of behavior. People in positions of

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authority that are able to corner the
children and then children, you know,

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not knowing how to respond to that
authority or thinking they might face some kind

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of reprisal. So the people in
this position have kind of identified their target

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and they just kind of push along, push along to see how far they

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can get. Now, as far
as the established to make clause going,

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it should certainly apply here, considering
that public funds are being used to run

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this operation. Theoretically it's a little
bit of a stretch, but public school,

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public servant, public teacher, the
kids in that environment should be free

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from this kind of prosselyization. But
what I found interesting is that the Florida

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Constitution and its Free Exercise Law states
that religious freedom shall not justify practices inconsistent

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with public morals, peace or safety. And I have to ask myself,

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what are the public morals in this
area? I mean, this is Florida.

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Now, typically in this area it's
a little bit of a I guess

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left leaning area where there isn't so
much I would I would say the traditional

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or the the wave of Christian nationalism
picking up, but it's still Florida.

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It's heavy with you know, Latin
roots, which is typically very strongly Christian

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and can be conservative in that respect. So you know, maybe these people

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think that well, their own are
going to look out for them, a

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good old boy system, if you
will, so Infidel, what do you

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have to say about that, Kelly, when you were talking, I have

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to say that I think I know
exactly what they were thinking. They're they're

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they're in Florida, and that is
a hotbed of backwards thinking. And it

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starts literally from the top. You
know. Admittedly, if if if I

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were a parent of a student in
that classroom, I want their heads on

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the proverbial John the Baptist platter.
But the reality is this is just a

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symptom of the blue whale in the
room Florida and a very backwards mentality.

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I mean, they've they claim to
reject material that indoctrinate students, but you

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know they've they've made one of their
required courses now is a financial responsibility class.

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And then that's fine, but it's
this guy, Dave Ramsey is the

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is the author of the textbook,
and he even includes proverbs and side the

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textbook they're using in the classroom to
promote this type of thinking. And of

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course it teaches that you know,
debts for losers and and things like that.

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That just really a whole nother story. I mean, Florida's even welcome

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pragger you into their classrooms. So
I mean what we're seeing is and I

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believe Phoebe may have mentioned this on
a previous episode, about how we just

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kind of whittle away at a law
and before too long, we're building precedent

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up on something that never was what
the original intent was. And I think

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that's what they're wanting to do,
like they've done with other issues like that,

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attempted for for decades with abortion,
They're wanting to just whittle away at

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these protections. They think that over
time, if they just you know,

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push a little further, each test
will continue to allow them to get more

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latitude in what they're trying to achieve. So for me seeing Florida, you

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know, being the state of education
by right wing talking heads Dave Ramsey and

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Dennis Prager, you know, they
both literally want their dogma taught to everyone's

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children. They're in the indoctrination business. So the idea that a mad teacher

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would take that and go, hey, let's run with this and let let's

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see, you know where this can
go. I think also we have a

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very friendly Supreme Court right now for
all the wrong reasons. And I think

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we have people who say, let's
see what what what our money got us?

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Where's this going to end up?
And so I guess the one good

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thing is is that, uh you
know, I did notice the tired old

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story about the origin of the candy
cane was included in the pamphlet. You

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know, it's a good thing it
wasn't a history teacher, because that would

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be an even poorer reflection considering the
inaccuracy of what they're talking about. But

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I just want to go on record
and say one thing. If there's ever

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a special candy made for me,
say an eye and made in my honor.

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Make sure it tastes better than a
candy cane. Damn you you are

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a real true heathen. You are
a proper, nonprofit bloody heathen. You

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you get you get from me for
the rest of this segment. You and

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this episode, you get, you
know, downgrade at the other two.

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They're they're nice people. You are
a heathen, and you know we can't

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have that kind of nonsense spouted around
you know you are you secretly a true

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Florida man like this Florida lunatic?
Are you secretly a true Florida lunatic?

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You men expose You do know that
candy current canes come and all flavors,

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now right, Yeah, this is
what I'm saying. You can spear.

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You didn't have just mint. You
can have a whole range of flavors.

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You can have cinnamon, you can
have any flavor that you're like now,

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I mean, the twenty first century
has been good for a lot of things.

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It's been good at bud it's been
good at debunking you know, Young

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Earth creationism, and it's been really
good. They're giving us flavored candy canes.

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I must enter, Jack Phoebe,
you talk about me being a bad

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person. Well, I'm not the
one who doesn't believe in the one true

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Candy Cane. Kelly over here was
talking about different flavors, So you want

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to talk about heathen heretic you handle
your own house over there? This panel,

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Who's sin the TV show Murderville?
Oh, what a great show.

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Who's in the Christmas Special? And
I want to know when that candy cane

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is being put on trial for murdering
Santa Candy canees are dangerous, and I

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think we're seeing how dangerous they are
when they are put in the hands of

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proselytizing teachers in glassrooms. This is
just how absurd we have got in this.

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It's Florida. Florida has forgotten the
one thing that teachers are supposed to

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be doing. Teachers are supposed to
do what the name says. They fail.

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What we say in England is the
one Seal Test. One Seal,

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for those of you who don't know, is a brand of varnish for outdoor

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fencing and the advertising worlds. Bronzeal
does exactly what it says on the tin.

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Florida teaching does nothing what the title
suggests. It's absolute nonsense. You

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have these people who are spouting complete
and utter rubbish. I mean, I

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want to go and take this pamphlet
and I want to go and shove it

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up this teacher's backside, but I
get done for assultant battery. But I

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can't go and prosecute this teacher for
committing a Sultan battery on the senses of

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the poor children that sat through the
classroom. They had to listen to this

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waffle and listen to this waste of
paper. All I hope is that every

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student in that classroom at least recycled
the pamphlet they would give. They didn't

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cause more environmental damage. I mean, we have Florida passing nonsense after nonsense

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after nonsense, complete crap coming out
of Florida. When it comes to education.

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You have Florida teachers that can't get
pay rises because the Florida Standardized Attainment

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Test metric means that they need to
have thistudents have a higher avidan the maximum

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score available for the teachers to pass
the teacher assessments. This is how absurd

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Florida has become, and they have
become detactual reality. I mean, you've

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got bans on what teachers can and
cannot say, which are federal judge recently

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in another state said, these laws
that prevent you from talking about gender uner

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sexuality means you can't talk about any
gender dentity and sexuality. You can't use

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any pronouns whatsoever, even when it
comes to cisgender heteronormative pronouns. This is

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how absurd and how far off the
deepend Florida has fallen into the Gulf of

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Mexico. I mean, I've got
a real serious question for the three of

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you here. Do you think what
Florida is doing at the moment and what

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these people in Florida, such as
this lunatic, nonsense, candy cane loving

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teacher, he's actually pushing the envelope
in their favor. Or do you think

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people are getting so fed up that
let us go, we don't won't be

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script and it's pushing the needle in
the other direction. That's easy. Yeah,

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Yeah, I think you're right.
I think you know, when the

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pendulum swings swing so far in one
direction, that's bound to come back.

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And the farther you bring it into
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it's going to swing back. And
I think we're seeing that. I think

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we've been seeing that over the last
few years now. This is why these

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people have lost in the elections in
the last three election cycles. It started

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out real slow, but it's really
building up momentum, and I really it

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makes me not as worried about the
future as I have been recently, so

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I have a lot of hope for
the future that people are finally waking up.

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Unfortunately, I've had that feeling before, Like I got that in the

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nineties. I really thought we were
starting to wake up in the nineteen nineties,

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and I don't know what happened somewhere
along the way, it just kind

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of died off. But I think
the kids today seem to be a little

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more aware of what's happening in the
world socially and politically, and that gives

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me a lot of hope. So
I'm hoping that as that pendulum does swing

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back, it does swing back harder
and we're seeing a more balanced society instead

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of one that's swinging so far to
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Jimmy, what do you think.
Well, I think there are enclaves

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that are not really moving at all, such as maybe Florida being a good

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example or or specific maybe governmental or
or localities on the on the state and

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local government level that are probably just
going to dig their heels at even further.

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Something that I think was disturbing about
this story was that only one parent

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complaint, right, I mean,
this is a Florida school, uh that

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was you know, had had religious
pamphlets being passed out and one only one

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parent spoke up. And I think
that that reflects maybe the society at large

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around in that specific area, which
is and that also speaks to the the

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idea that Florida's Constitution, like I
mentioned earlier, states that nothing shall I

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don't remember exactly the wording I used. I think it was here we go,

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so free exercise, you know,
freedom shall not religious freedom shall not

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justify practices inconsistent with public morals.
Well, the public morals are defined differently

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in certain areas than they are for
the rest of us. And so while

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children might be aware, there's still
not in any more of a position to

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kind of fight back, you know. It really takes their parents to kind

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of step up and do their bidding
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happening enough. Yeah, I would
have to say that I think most of

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the children in that classroom are so
readily indoctrinated in other areas of their lives

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that I don't think, for the
most part, that it even triggered.

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It wasn't even a thought, oh
wow, this should this be happening here.

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It was just another day in the
life of a person in Florida.

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Without a doubt. We've seen repeated
attacks and integration of religion into the schools

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creeping in and Florida has welcomed it
with open arms. So far for someone

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to go, hey, this is
outside the norm, I agree, it

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is an unfortunate reflection of what's going
on in Florida when we have one parent

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saying this is a problem. And
I only hope that when something like this

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continues, because I don't think this
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I said earlier, you know,
this is just you know, this is

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ignoring the blue whale in the room
as far as this one incident, because

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this is a pattern, and this
is something that I agree with with Kelly

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answering his question about whether there's been
a backlash to it. I absolutely do

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think that we have seen that backlash
now, But is it going to happen

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in a place like Florida, maybe
an isolated pockets, but those isolated pockets

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are still going to be under the
thumb of the state government. So how

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far what control they have is ultimately
going to to be decided more by the

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state with some latitude with them.
I wish them luck. I hope that

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this does change and we don't see
this again. But I think that in

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Florida, I don't think we can
be surprised if we see round two,

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round three, and ultimately a lot
of things like this are going to need

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to be decided and with a generous
US Supreme Court if it ever ended up

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in a court system, Well,
I just don't know. But I think

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you've all written Florida off. I
think that's a problem here. I think

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you've written off the students. I
think you've written off the parents here,

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because the way you've got to understand
here is that whilst one parent complain,

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how many students didn't he even bother
to tell their parents and they just ignored

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it. Majority How many these students
do we think actually took this seriously.

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It only takes one student to complain, It only has one parent. Why

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do we not have mandatory pledges of
allegiances in America in schools. Because one

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Jehovah's witness family stood up and said, we do not agree with this,

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it violates the establishment clause. That's
why the pledge of allegiance is not mandatory

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in schools in America. The case
of Barnett, it took one Jehovah's witness

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family, who were chased out of
their town that they lived in, for

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standing up. It takes one parent
to complain about a pamphlet like this.

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It takes one parent to say I
will not allow my right to be trampled

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upon. And the fact that there
was one parent makes me smile because somebody

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actually turned round to the educational establishment
in Florida and went to a lot of

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you, And I think that that
is what we should be applauding here,

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not the fact that it was only
one somebody actually stood up and turned round

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to Florida and went, were you
bloody? How are you doing in this

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classroom now? Dare you instead of
teaching mathematics to my children, you're teaching

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sugar based nonsense? Yeah, that's
absolutely right. I think I think they

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deserve commendation. But to get the
fact that it gets to that point.

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It's because there's so many parents that
are following this trend of not doing anything.

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And yes, that one domino,
right, that one domino seems to

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have fallen over. So I can't
write off all of them. And you

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bring up a very good point,
But I think I I think I've written

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off the speed at which these enclaves
will turn toward doing the right thing.

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One one is certainly promising. Let's
turn that into two to four, to

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eight and so on. Now here's
a question, here's a question, in

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all seriousness, to the three of
you here, would you have the time

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and inclination to complain if your child
had told you the story that is this

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story? Would you have actually stood
up, taken the time and followed through

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with a complaint. Would you have, in all honesty actually done that yes,

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and said that this is wish,
I can't do anything. I've done

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it too. But you got to
remember, look at the three people you're

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asking. We're sitting here and doing
this, so we're the kind of people

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that would stand up for something like
that, But that the audience out there,

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and more important, if your answer
to that question is actually no,

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I wouldn't actually bother to stand up. Ask yourself why, ask yourself what

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machters to you? And ask yourself, are you comfortable with what happened in

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Florida potentially happening in a child's classroom
near you or in your child's classroom even

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more importantly, And that's all three
of us here are that you asked or

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we're all parents, so it is
it's a question that does hit home for

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us, right And that's why,
because I am a parent, I would

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stand up for it. So yeah, and one of my biggest concerns is

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the fact that, yes, one
parent standing up change things. I just

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have a much greater concern about how
politicized our court system is. So admittedly

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it's beyond It's not a lack of
confidence in Florida, because yes, it

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only takes one person to stand up. My problem is is I lack confidence

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in many aspects of our court system
right now making the right decision. I

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also want to point out it wasn't
just one parent standing up. It was

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one parent standing up and getting the
f F fire up involved in it.

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And I think that ultimately, if
you see things like this and you're a

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parent, do something. Don't just
allow the envelope to keep pushing. Don't

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keep pushing that envelope. Make a
complaint to your school if this was happening

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near you,