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you man, And are you ready to kick things off old school? We're
gonna go old school raised by giants with some metaphysical and speculation and theory,
my friendyea ready for that, bad boy, Oh, we're going to talk
about some past lives, some reincarnation. But before we get into that,
just the reminder that both me and Ryan Gable will be at Contact in the
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free tickets for locals in Indian Wells too, correct, That's what I read
today on their social media page. You can come for free for a couple
of days, the whole thing, but it's like one or two days.
Not that VIP dinner though. You can't be getting dinner. Some VIPs can't
even go to that dinner. So that's years in the past. I'm sure
they fixed that. I wonder if it's anybody that lives in is it anyone
that lives in California or is it just people that are local to Indian Wells
area. Well, it's not just anybody in California. But I read again,
I don't know because I don't work for them, but I read something
about if you're in Indian Wells or in the surrounding towns or cities, I
think that qualifies you. Cool. Well, if you're in the surrounding areas
of Indian Wells, come through and say Hi, I'm pretty sure you can
get free tickets for that event. Check the contact in the desert social media
pages, because that's where I saw it today. Actually, So, Ryan,
what do you think about the idea of past lives and this reincarnation What
we spoke a little bit about reincarnation whenever you were on the show last time
with Wayne Stegger and our little mini roundtable, but we didn't really bring out
past lives too much. And I think the concept and the idea of past
lives is a really interesting concept, and not so much the past live concept
that people, you know, people in the community used to like bolster themselves
up like that they were the past life reincarnation of Jesus or Mohammad or like
Moses and all that I'm talking about, like what it seems like legitimate past
lives where young children will you go to their parents and they'll see something on
the screen, or they'll get really emotional when they're looking at history books or
whatever and be like, I'm I was that guy. You know. I
think those are the real interesting ones. What do you think about about it
when it comes to that. I've heard those stories before. I've seen a
documentary on that one time about the kids. I've never talked to any of
those people, so I don't know for sure. I don't know the families
or the people that have had kids that have claimed that are how exactly accurate
it is. I would assume that if there are people that actually young people
kids that actually have these memories and they can say that they are this person
or that person and they can to some extent prove it, that's a weird
thing for a kid to do if they were to claim that. So I'd
said that there's certainly a field of investigation there which is perhaps beyond the scope
of what we can understand that fits into our sort of three dimensional, five
perception reality. But I think that like when we talked on your last show
that I was on about something like reincarnation. Reincarnation to me first and foremost,
and this idea of past lives, it's almost like what modern physicists say
about energy, right, that energy is not something that can be destroyed,
it's only something that could be transferred. So I kind of think of a
past life or something like reincarnation in a very similar way. And in fact,
a lot of our modern scientific well they're usually theories and formulas, but
most of our modern scientific ideas they're not necessarily facts, but our theories and
formulas are also based around the idea of metaphysical concepts that well, ancient cultures
have and we have those preserving stories and myths, but ancient cultures told those
stories one hundred, two hundred, three hundred, one thousand, two thousand,
three thousand and so on years ago, so and those get passed down
through the ages, and as we start to understand the world more quote unquote
scientifically, we realize, oh, maybe our ancestors were trying to preserve some
sort of what we would call scientific technological information in stories and architecture and things
like that. At least, that's just kind of the speculation. So it's
you know, it's like when you look at elements. I use this example.
You have elementals. You have spirits of the elements, like you have
the air spirits, fire spirits, earth spirits, water spirits. Today we
just call them what we call them elements. We call them nitrogen, oxygen,
hydrogen, and carbon, and you know, five hundred years ago we
called them something else. But we're talking about the same thing. And I
think that's my point is that when scientists talk about energy transference, we talk
about the soul, talk about the spirit, which are two different things.
Maybe we're just talking about with reincarnation and past lives, we're just talking about
what modern physics talks about when they say, well, energy can't be destroyed,
that would be my first thought. I also know that reincarnation is something
that is not isolated to some new age idea. It's a very ancient idea.
It's not just in I guess you would say a philosophy like Buddhism,
Christianity. At the onset of christian when it first sort of started to form
as we understand it, there was the idea of reincarnation in Christianity. So
even major world religions had some concept of reincarnation, and I would assume that,
like with everything else. Writer, when we look around the world,
if you were to travel to major countries around the world and then maybe even
just you know, small countries and talk to groups of people with different viewpoints,
like most people probably going to have a totally different definition of reincarnation past
lives. Some might view it as almost like a necessity of belief. It's
just everybody knows that, and others might think it's crazy. But it's just
like with UFOs, before we can really get into the discussion, we have
to sort of define what reincarnation or what any of these things really are.
So I wonder what your take is on that. How do you define that?
Well, I think that it's interesting with the past life concept because what
makes it a past life in people's memory, Like if you take into consideration
like string theory for example. String theory is like pretty much a theory that
all like the past, present, and future, is all happening at the
same time, and every decision that you've made branches off into a different type
of timeline or a parallel timeline or an alternate timeline. So just because you
remember another life? Why does it have to be in the past, right?
Could it not be in the future, Could it not be in a
parallel timeline? Could it not be in an alter the timeline? Like,
I'm trying to figure that out. Like, what about it makes you believe?
Is it our linear time thinking and that we're in this three D physical
reality right now? We think the time only moves forward. Of course,
as a speculation and theory, that's pretty much what this whole conversation is going
to be about. Speculation and theory. But is it do we refer to
it as a past life? Because we're in this three D construct now and
we can only see time as linear like time progressing forward. So therefore,
if we remember anything, we automatically associated with the past, when that might
not necessarily be the case. That's an interesting idea. I never thought of
that. I think that genetic memory, as some call it, factors into
this as well, because when you get intuition or when you have a deja
vu, although we don't really know what that is, there's a lot of
theories on what deja vu is. When you get sort of a memory or
you get sort of an idea of Hey, I've been here before, or
have done this before, or you know something is unfolding in a way that
you felt that you've experienced before. I'm sure that there's a very basic psychological
way to try and understand why you might have that thought, because there might
be something that triggers a memory of something you actually have experience in this life.
But you your brain gets confused and you kind of feel like, I
mean, I've been here before. Maybe you were there as a kid you
didn't know, Like, there's all kinds of factors that play into But I
think what some called genetic memory, like the memories of your ancestors, if
you will, that's kind of like past life because you're remembering things, but
they're in your genes, if you will, that your ancestors experienced. And
maybe that's why you know, when people say, well you have a fear
of water, that means you drowned in a previous you know, a previous
you know, carnation. But maybe it's not so much that you drown.
Maybe it's maybe you have some collective trauma from you know, your ancestors.
Maybe they joking, but maybe they were ancestors in Atlantis and they all died
in the Great Delusion You're afraid of water. My point is, seriously,
the genetic memory, I think is an instinct and things like that, I
think is maybe a route to take when we look into past lives as well.
I think that might be I think that might be a really interesting field
of investigation. So I think because I think that that's a real thing.
But then again, you know, also just on the side of that,
I think that, and I know that genetics isn't the only thing that defines
us. I think geneticists say like thirty percent of our genes are really things
that we get from our parents, our ancestors, if you will, and
the rest of them, like epigenetics, the rest of them are things that
we can adjust and change based on how we choose to live. So genes
don't totally define us. And honestly, I think it's a very complex field,
and it's border lines on the metaphysical, the i'd say, the superphysical,
and of course what is basically just completely theoretical physics. It's like a
bunch of different things mixed together. But I would say genetic memory is an
important part of that as well. Wouldn't technically reincarnation be having a child.
Would you not be reincarnating a kid like a child? Would that not be
a form of reincarnation if genetic memory is you know, real, which I'm
pretty sure science has proven the fact that genetic memory in some capacity does carry
on through from a family member to family member, through birth and through carrying
on your genes. But would that not be like a surefire way of like
reincarnating but just it's just a smaller version of you wait, say that again.
You're saying birth like having a child like you know, just oh,
I see, would that not be like a form of reincarnation in itself?
I mean, yeah, you might not. That's other being that child might
not have your same consciousness, but it's it came from you. So that
would technically would be a form of reincarnation. Well you could think of it
from the from that perspective, especially in the sense of like whatever that you
teach your child, things you learned, but also probably things your parents taught
you, and their parents taught them, and their parents taught them, and
there's some aspect of that gets passed down through successive generations, so you know,
those are things that you learn though it's a little different than intuitions that
you feel and you experience and you just kind of know. But I mean,
yeah, in a sense, I mean you could also, based on
what the current scientific trends are saying, you could also take skin cells and
turn them into sperm and eggs, and you can basically clone yourself with your
own skin cells. And that's kind of like cloning, but not really like
cloning, because I'm not talking about doing it into test tube. They're talking
about like a woman can literally turn her own skin cells into sperm cells and
basically clone herself within her own womb. It's a little different than cloning.
So I think that's a little different than reincarnation, but I get the point
of what you're getting at. I guess yeah. It's just really interesting.
I have this pretty interesting article here about reincrenation from NBC News or ad Expert
investigates ten years old ten year old's reincarnation claims. Ryan, a ten year
old boy from the Midwest, believes he is a reincarnation of a Hollywood agent,
which again I think is really interesting because it's not like this super popular
figure from history that several people claim to be reincarnations of for as many people
as claimed to be the reincarnation of Jesus Christ, we should all be saved
by now, right. Tesla, Yeah, Tesla is a big one.
All the saints have apparently been reincarnated in hundreds and hundreds of times, and
the different people, somehow all at the exact same time, which is really
interesting. How I want to know how that works. But for more than
a decade, Doctor Jim Tucker, associated Professor of psychiatry at the Neurobehavior Sciences
at the University of Virginia, studied the cases of children, usually between the
ages of two and six years old, who say they remember a past life,
and his book Returned to Life, Tucker details some of the more than
twenty five hundred cases he has studied over the years, including Ryan, a
boy from the Midwest who claims that he was the reincarnation of a man who
died more than fifty years ago. That man, Marty Martin. Oh Man.
Marty Martin was a former movie extra who later became a powerful Hollywood agent.
The following is an excerpt from Tucker's book. In the chapter he came
from Hollywood, we were able to piece together a picture of Mary Martin's life,
and we can compare it to Ryan's statements. In most of our cases,
people have tried to see if a deceased person can be identified whose lives
match the statement of the child had made. Here, there were only one
guy and Ryan could have been talking about because he had pointed to him in
a picture. Yeah, that's like the common thing is like these these children
in the stories of this, like they're looking through history books or they're looking
through something and then they pointed a picture of this of an individual and they're
like that was me or I'm that guy right, because he had pointed to
him in the picture. We weren't trying to see if there was any one
else's life who matched Ryan's statements. We were looking to see if Marty Martin's
did. What we found is that, through Ryan was off on some of
the details, a lot of what he said was correct for Marty Martin and
had seemed unlikely that an extra with no lines would have danced on Broadway,
had a big house with a swimming pool, and traveled the world on big
boats, but Marty Martin did. Marty was born in Philadelphia in nineteen oh
three. Ryan had talked about a lot about his sister, who also mentioned
another one, and Marty had two sisters. His mother had curly brown hair,
as Ryan said. Ryan was much about right about dancing in New York,
as Marty and one of his sisters went to New York to be dancers.
He danced in various reviews on Broadway, and his sister became well known
dancer there. I mean, it's kind of similar. It's kind of spot
on, but like they're saying, there's some details that are like jumbled up
and mixed up there. And then people could also say, oh, well,
this boy just had all the information in his fingertips and then he just
got on Google and started trying to figure out everything that he could about this
individual. And then he would just tell this professor. You know, it
would be interesting if this was happening back in I don't know, thirties,
twenties, thirties or even this all the info exactly, yeah, is easily
Ah well, I would think too that if you were able to give an
accurate depiction of your own life, that would kind of be a miracle.
And I don't it wouldn't prove anything, but like most people don't remember,
I'm one of them. I don't remember everything I've done in my life.
You know, if you went you went back and look at all the things
I've done in thirty three years. I'm sure there are things that people remember.
I don't remember. So if I guess if I was reincarnated in some
little boy who was just born after I died, and he said, hey,
I was Ryan Gable and he recalls certain details but not all of them,
Like, I'm Ryan Gable and I don't recall all the details of my
life either, So I guess you could say that's that's a possible way to
interpret the points where he was wrong. Yeah, that makes sense. And
then there's this story that I heard a really long time ago about this I
tried to look for it, but I couldn't find it because you know how
Google is. They the articles and things are taken down all the time.
But there was this article that I read a long time ago that talked about
this boy that said that he was this gentleman in a past life. They
contacted the family of the person and then he went and met his as a
boy. Yeah, do you remember the story vaguely? But I remember that,
Yes, the details that you just gave. That's wild. And then
you also have strange things like like Jim Carrey as well, like getting into
the role of who was what was that actor's name, andy uh Andy Kaufman.
Yeah, he got into the role of Andy Kaufman like so deep that
seems like he legitimately believed that he was Andy Kaufman. And they brought Andy
Kaufman's family to meet Jim Carrey on set and they're like, that's my son,
that's him. It's weird, Like I don't know what to think of
that. There's a whole documentary a Man on a Man on the Moon or
a Man in the Moon or something like that on Netflix where it really details
all this and it's like, man, like, are you able to channel
someone like that much to the point that you believe that you're actually him?
I mean he took on all of his mannerisms, he took on all of
his like social cues, like down to a t. I mean, I
guess you could get that way with studying someone to a degree and like watching
all of their I mean, if you're a really good actor, you know,
you could maybe take on their personality. But the wild thing was is
they brought Andy Kaufman's family to meet Jim Carrey, and they were like convinced,
this is our son, this is Andy Kaufman. You know, it's
funny because these things today are things that are like psycho you reference the psychologists
who's looking into these thousands of cases over his career. You've got psychologists,
you have scientists, you have mainline I guess you could say experts if you
will, who are not theologians, they're not spiritualists, and they're looking into
things that if you otherwise would bring up reincarnation or past lives, and a
conversation with common folks who aren't interested in that, more than likely they would
tell you that you're crazy. It's some new age belief. It's not true,
you're out of your mind. But we have psychologists and playtant physicists that
study these kinds of things and try to figure out what exactly the origins of
these ideas are that finding out that they actually go back more than a couple
of years or like thousands of years old, these concepts, and we try
to apply modern scientific understandings to these more spiritual concepts that have really been the
bedrock of a lot of religious philosophies again for thousands of years. So once
again, what our ancestors, or at least what we think our ancestors understood,
are knew or taught or thought or wrote, et cetera, are things
that modern science and modern psychology is helping us to understand, or at least
they're trying to investigate these things from a more mechanical, three dimensional way of
looking at the world. I find that to be the most interesting, because,
you know, two hundred years ago, maybe three hundred year I don't
know, just a thought, I wouldn't expect there to be anything other than
belief invested in these kinds of ideas. But now it's like we can maybe
try to prove them with computers and with computer models, and with cutting edge
psychological research and cutting edge physics and particle accelerators, and we can actually try
to apply like hard physical science to elusive spiritual matters and figure out what exactly
is going on? Do you want to hear my super ultramegaloo theory on what's
going on? Yeah? I would love to. Are you Nicola Tesla too?
Or yeah, I am the reincarnation of Nicola Tesla. I've given my
information to build the integration machine, the time travel device, healing, bring
the death rate to contact. I want to see it. So one of
my original thoughts and theories surrounding this, and some people might remember it,
but let's just take that everyone is telling the truth. Let's just make that
a base thing, that people are telling the truth, that they really do
have memories of being married Magnaline in a past life, and they're all simultaneously
experiencing this past life, Like fifty people can be married Magnaline, and one
hundred people can be and live the past life of Jesus Christ and Moses and
Saint Germaine and like all these prominent historical figures. Well, my theory was
is that whenever you pass away, your consciousness is like then fractualized, and
then whenever you're born, if reincarnation is real and you're born back into this
reality, then you get a bunch of different people's fractualized consciousness. So you
can have as many fractualized consciousness that was broken off from the whole whenever that
person died on you. So then you have your based consciousness, and then
you can have several other fractualized consciousness, and then whenever you die again,
all those fractualized consciousnesses like fall off, and then when you're reborn you get
a new set of fractualized consciousness. It might be super super woo woo,
But I mean would make sense if you are under the impression and under the
if you're one hundred percent convinced that all these people are telling the truth right,
that all of them did have past lives as Mother Mary or Jesus Christ.
It would explain how they all would have these memories is because it's not
the whole memory, it's a fractualized memory. Sure well that and you would
also assume that, based on how many people we estimate to have ever lived
on planet Earth, more than likely you would not have been Mother Mary.
More than likely you would not have been Jesus or any of these other characters.
You would have probably been a peasant who died in the field. You
would have been slaughtered by stalin, or you would have been killed by some
warlord, or you would have starved to death, you know, trying to
get some food in the woods. You would have been killed by an animal.
More than likely, like substantially more than likely, you weren't any of
those things. But I think so, I think that a lot of people
that claim those types of past lives are actually in my opinion, I think
it's like the Messiah complex, which is kind of like what you said.
I think in a way, in regard to Jim Carrey playing Andy Kaufman,
he really became him. That's different because that's acting. But some people truly
believe that they're the Messiah and they are so delusional. I mean, they
really believe it, right. So same thing with people like Corey Good.
I mean, I honestly think he's delusional, and I think he actually thinks
that he went to space and did all this stuff. And maybe not originally,
but people believed him, and he kept doubling down, tripling down,
and he got to the point where it was just like he became that character
that he created. I don't know the whole background, but he became that
thing. And even when you try to point out to people, hey,
he admitted that he made all this space travel stuff up. They said,
one person told me at a conference in Las Vegas, well, he actually
believed he went. So that means he did actually go to space, even
though he didn't physically go. He remembered going, he imagined going, so
it actually happened to him, which I think is the definition of delusion,
But it's part of like the Messiah complex, where you really believe it.
And I mean, I think the same thing could be said for past lives,
like if you really believe that you were this person, then it doesn't
really matter what anybody else says, like that becomes your reality. And I
don't mean that in a kind of a loose fanciful way where like anything you
believe can manifest I just mean, like, if you really believe it that
you can become Andy Kaffman, you can become the Messiah, you can become
whatever it is that you believe. That doesn't mean that you actually are that
person obviously, or you actually lived that past life, but you can believe
you're Nicola Tesla. I just think that that's I think that's probably pretty obvious
to all of the listeners, whether you know your point about fractional consciousness,
which I like that idea, or genetic memory, which I think is kind
of part of the same idea of fractional consciousness. Although consciousness and DNA are
different, obviously, it could also be not so much genetic memory in the
sense that certain genes, like from the beginning, when you're ten years old
or younger, and you remember these things. It could be that certain conditions
in your environment trigger those memories, which is again I think I mentioned that
earlier, Like you go to I don't know, you're twelve years old,
you'd never really had much of an interest in planes, but your dad's like,
let's go to the you know, the aerospace museum. And you go
and you see some planes and you're reminded of a quote unquote past life.
I mean, it might not be that you live that life, but maybe
there's something that you heard when you were younger about your grandpa being in the
Air Force, and like all these memories come together and you start believing that.
It also depends on who your parents are, because some parents really really
brainwash their kids really good with some nonsense and some garbage. So I mean
that could certainly contribute to it. I mean, there's just a there's so
many factors, and I think they all need to be looked at because I
don't think like with everything else, right or I don't think it's like a
black and white issue. It's like with UFOs it's not a matter of do
you believe in UFOs. It's not a matter of what I believe. It's
a matter of what the evidence says, and there's a tremendous amount of evidence
for and against each individual case. Same thing with past lives and reincarnation.
I mean, it is factual that reincarnation a is a philosophical and let's say,
loosely defined religious principle historically, and that scientists today and psychologists today might
be able to better understand it than our ancestors did because we have machines and
different forms of technology that can help us to do that, new theories on
how the mind works and all this. But I don't know, generally speaking,
I don't think it's that easy. And I think all these avenues of
what we're discussing here on the show this evening, I think all these avenues
are really important. It's not a matter of belief, and it's not a
matter of breaking it down along those very polarizing lines. I think it's probably
all the things we've said and a lot more. I'm sure your listeners have
some ideas too. I'm sure all of it is well. I know all
of it is just as relevant. Some things might be a little bit out
there, but I think all of it's relevant to discuss because you know,
ultimately nobody knows. If we knew for sure, then the conversation would be
over. Yeah. If anybody has any thoughts or ideas on you know,
what's going on, drop it in the comment section of this video. If
you've if you think that you've had a past life experience, drop it in
the car I would like to hear about it because I think it's really interesting.
But I wouldn't underestimate the power of belief though. It's kind of like
in the Matrix movies, right, Neo didn't believe that he was the one,
so when he went to the oracle, the oracle told him that he
wasn't the one, and that anybody could be the one. And it wasn't
until he believed that he was the one that he became the one, right,
So it's like, you know, I think the belief plays a big
part in a lot of things in our reality. I think the belief is
how people manifest things in their reality, and repeating the same things over and
over again until you get them down, until you get them to the point
where you can do it flawlessly, you know, and repeat the same thing
over and over again. I mean, I think belief is the basis of
manifestation, and I think that I think there's a lot of good, hard
evidence to manifestation. And that might sound you know, or a new age,
but it's been a lot of people talking. I mean Jim Carrey being
one of them. He did that, he put a check in his wallet
of a million dollars signed to himself. Well, when when when you believe
believing something and manifesting it. I think a lot of people, and I
used to be one of those people, I would think that it meant literal
physical like manifestation, like okay, I want to I want a gold bar.
There's a gold bar. I mean, obviously that's should be not how
it works. It's more so like what you believe, and it's a lot
of the unconscious, probably in the subconscious. It's a lot of what you
expect to see, you know, the mind fills in the blanks and so
that's what that's what your reality becomes. I think that's what it means,
which which also I think means that just because you have a positive outlook on
something consciously doesn't mean that it's going to be a positive outcome, And I
think living like that can be really disastrous because eventually you're going to absorb so
much of this, Yeah, it's going to be great, and then it's
not great. You're going to sort of develop this very negative background noise,
if you will. But I think that the whole subject of things like reincarnation
and past lives, genetic memory, intuition, deja vu. Maybe I'm just
not smart enough, possible I have no idea. Or it could be that
there are things and I think I think the UFO phenomena falls into this as
well. Writer there might be things that are just literally outside the scope of
our ability to understand, not because we're stupid or because we don't have the
right technology. Some things might be because we're stupid or we don't have the
right technology. We learn, we develop things, and then we can understand
from that point on, But there might be some things that are just beyond
the scope of our understanding. I mean, if you even look at the
people that are developing artificial intelligence or AI system there's people in MIT that say
they have no idea how they developed it. It just like they're basically manifesting
it. They're just creating something and then it just develops into its own thing,
like they don't even know how they're making it. I mean, I
think it's the same. That's the same way with a lot of things.
I mean, even writing, like I've written, well, I've written more
than five books, but I've only published five books. I honestly have no
idea how I wrote those books. I go back and I look at those,
I'm like, was that me? Like I've thought about it from the
point of view of channeling, I'm like, did I channel that? I
have no idea how I wrote that? No idea. I don't even remember
writing half the stuff when I go back and read it, which also plays
into my point about you know, a little ten year old boy might have
those memories, and it might be literal that he literally was this this Hollywood
agent the story you reference. Maybe he doesn't remember some details, because you
know, even in this life, I don't remember the details. Sometimes I
have to think back, like what did I talk about last week on the
show. Most people will probably assume I remember all my shows. I don't,
So the same thing with you, Like you probably don't remember all your
shows. So, yeah, belief is a really important factor in all of
this stuff. And yeah, my point was in regard to manifestation is it's
obviously not like, oh, I manifested something right now in my hand.
It's a matter of how you look at the world. And I'll give you
another quick example samething with UFOs, the same thing with like Marianna apparitions.
I grew up in Saint Pete, Florida, and I remember going to clear
Water when there was that Marianna apparition on the building back in like the late
nineties, and I really really vividly remember going to that. And some people
saw the Virgin Mary, some people saw a water stain, some people saw
nothing at all, you know, and all three of the people that would
think it's Mary, it's a water stain, it's nothing. They're all right
at the same time, but they're all wrong based on other people. But
there is still something there. Where's arguing over how to define it. And
maybe that's the Maybe that's the problem with how we view the supernatural and the
paranormal. Maybe that's the problem with how we view UFOs and past lives,
is that we're arguing over how to define these things like is it an alien
spaceship? Is it a government drone? You know, is it? Is
he really Nicola Tesla? Maybe that's not the right question to ask, you
know what I mean, Maybe maybe trying to define it along very polarizing terms
or like our perceptions of our little echo chambers, what we want to believe.
Maybe that's not the right way to look at it. Maybe we should
be trying to think philosophizing on new ways to think about it, and then
maybe we could understand it better. Just a thought. Yeah, I agree
with that, and I think that there's a there's a difference between people that,
excuse me, automatically remember their past lives from the or remember a pass
life from the moment that they're really young, and then people that get regressed,
right, because I think regression is a bunch of nonsense, especially when
it comes to past life regression, alien abduction regression. It's like, if
you're not remembering it, like off the top of your head, then did
it really happen? Right? That's the whole thing with regression, and regression
was never meant to be used to figure out if you were abducted by aliens.
It was never meant to figure out if you had a past life or
to figure out a past life. You know, it was the original therapeutic
version of what a regression is supposed to do. Is supposed to heal you
from like addictions. It's supposed to help you quit smoking. Like there's a
therapeutic, actual psychological effect of regressions. It's not actually to go back and
revisit some memory that you think that you have forgotten. If you go to
a you know, an alien regressionist or an abduction regressionist, then and you're
already thinking that you've been abducted by aliens, and then you go to the
alien abduction and regressionist, what are you gonna get? You're gonna get They're
gonna tell you that you were adducted by aliens. Well, if you go
to a past life regressionist, it's their job to find out if you had
whatever your past life was, and that's what you're paying them to do,
you know, just like ghost hunters. I mean there is a caveat there.
I think that in some cases, well we know in psychological terms,
like if you're in a car wreck, or you've been sexually abused or something
in your mind like shuts that memory off. So regression might have some kind
of beneficial effect if it's like in a neutral setting, because if you are
going into it thinking like, well, for example, I would put money
on it. When we go to this conference at the end of this month,
writer, there's probably gonna be people like that. There be like,
come get your you know, abduction regression here in this little with the car
window blocker wrapped around the lawn chair, and we can regress. We regress
you right here on the spot. Like, I think that's ninety nine point
nine percent of the time nonsense. I will also I'll disagree with you regression
is real, because I'd say the euthhological community has regressed itself pretty good in
the last ten to fifteen years. They've they've gone back to the very beginning
embryonic stages. Yeah. Absolutely, It's just like I would take the stories
of like the one that I just pulled up here way more seriously than a
than a regression past life remembrance, right if the and that's the problem is
that very few abductees, like supposed alien abductees, actually even remember the event
off hand. They and they lean that on the alien mind control wiping device.
So then, but whatn't that being the same thing is happening without the
alien mind wiping device, The same thing is happening when you dream. I
had a dream last night. It was really vivid, and I remember like
two percent of it, and I know there was more to it, but
I can't remember it. Does that mean I was abducted last night? It's
like no, because you're shifting between this unconscious dream state and then conscious waken
reality, and the line between the two gets blurred when you're really tired,
and when you're in that state of I'm awake, I'm asleep, I'm half
awake, I'm half asleep. But I don't remember my dreams. Most of
us don't remember our dreams. And that's I think there's a really damn really
good correlation between things like UFO abductions, even past lives and dreams. You
don't really remember any of the details. It's a really small percentage. And
until you start looking at it and you start putting some skin on the skeleton,
does it start to take shape? And that can of course be formed
by your by your perceptions of reality, what you believe. And I also
think with these kids in the same regard, I wondered, like I've always
I've always thought this. I've thought, you know, if I, like
was if I was in like a relationship with a woman who was as obsessed
about this stuff behind me as I am, and like just completely obsessed with
everything. I want to like, if we had a kid, how would
that kid turn out? Would they just like divorce us as parents by the
time they were fifteen to move out, or would they be totally obsessed with
it too? Would they be seeing aliens? Not that I am, but
like, would they be seeing aliens? Like how influential would this be?
This kind of lifestyle on a child, Not that it's bad, but just
like constantly absorbed and learning things can sometimes be worse than just going and sitting
outside in the sun. So I'm thinking it would probably rebel. They would
probably rebel. Probably they'd probably rebel and start skeptic magazine. You know,
it's I think with parents, like we don't know the context of those stories.
I mean, the parents might be like, well, you know,
Junior just came in one day and he said he was a you know,
he was a Hollywood agent, he was Air Force, he was this,
he was that he was a chimney sweep, he was a king. You
know, maybe some parents let their kids believe whatever. I mean, look
at what happens in schools today. If you think you're a cat, you're
a cat. If you think that you're a girl, you're a girl,
and a boy a boy. And psychologists they call it gender affirming care.
They encourage that belief system. We don't even have to get political about it.
But it's just a matter of like when that's encouraged, whether it's directly
or indirectly, it could. We don't know what entertainment this kid's consuming.
We don't know, yeah, what access he has to things on the internet
like I have. I don't have an ability to think back to when I
was ten and wonder, like, you know, because I didn't have the
Internet when I was ten, or it was just in its infancy, I
wouldn't have known what to do. Like, I can't imagine a world where
I'm like, what would a ten year old do with all the technology we
have today? There's like, hell, there's like ten year olds with more
knowledge of phones and computers than I have. So I you know, it's
hard to kind of put that into perspective that a ten year old who would
have been born in what twenty fourteen, you know, that kind of access
to information they have, and the kinds of crazy parents that we have in
the world today. I mean, it wouldn't surprise me if kids claimed that.
I mean, you see how you know, I'm not saying this kid's
abused by any means. It's an interesting story. But if a kid's really
abused, like they'll create stories to make it seem like, you know,
to make it seem like it makes sense, or to make it seem like,
you know, their parents really aren't the ones abusing them. Like,
there's a whole mountain of psychological literature on how kids think and how they react
to certain situations, and as you get older that changes. My point is
like, we don't know how the parents are. The parents could be totally
obsessed with this stuff. They could have a bookshelf full of reincarnation books and
could be re reincredation bedtime stories every night. Who knows. I'm not saying
they are. I'm just saying, like, that's highly plausible in a lot
of these cases. I think so too, And yeah, hey you shuck,
Yeah, that's I think those are the most interesting cases as well,
and they are really rare, but I think those are the most plausibly real
ones. Then going back and you know, being a full blown adult or
being over eighteen and going to get a regression because you heard someone talk about
past lives online and then you went to a past life regressionists and then all
of a sudden, you're remembering all these past lives. Well, yes,
And remember in two thousand and four with the kid that said he had went
to heaven and back. Maybe he still did, but he later said that,
no, I thought it would it would get me attention. It wasn't
real. But ah, man, the Christians, because I was GI grew
up in a Christian household. Man, the Christians were all over this kid
remembers going to Heaven. Heaven, real, you're gonna go to hell?
You center. And turns out the kid just made it up. And then
people like, no, no, he didn't make it up. That's just
what the devil wants you to think. So it doesn't matter what the situation
is. People are gonna believe whatever they want to believe. But that's a
case in point. A young kid, I went to Heaven, I can't.
I think this kid was on TV. They had camera's all name,
He's got books and interviews, but turns out he made it all up or
did he? Who knows? You know it, but it's just a gal
one knows. Yeah, there's several of those, like I remember books back
in the early two thousands, of like I think one was titled like thirty
minutes in Heaven, and then there was another one thirty minutes in Hell or
something like that, or thirty seconds and do you remember those thirty seconds in
Hell? That was the last time I listened to Jimmy Church's show. I
don't remember those though, though I don't favorite part of the show is when
I phase the black it's ninety it's ninety minutes in heaven, ninety minutes in
heaven. And then there's another one that's sounds like some kind of like party
sexual game. Seven minutes in heaven, ninety minutes in heaven. Yeah,
this is a fair ninety minutes and having a true story of death in life.
It was in the early two thousands. Dang, I got a good
memory, dude, and freaking killing nailed it. He nailed it and nailt
it. And then there's another one. I'll trust if you have these past
life experiences, your memory is really good, maybe maybe you'll remember what happened
in the past life. I do think I have a pretty solid good memory.
But there's another one too. I think it's they did like a dichotomy
version they did in ninety minutes in heaven and then ninety minutes and hell,
I think thirty twenty twenty three minutes, and hell, that's a that's a
different it's a different one, right there. You gotta change eve minutes up
on that. I like the or a good one four hours in deposition,
here's the thirty twenty three minutes in hell. I man, story about what
you saw or heard and felt? Oh, I remember that. I remember
that one. Yeah, now that you bring that up, I remember that.
But you see, those are the kinds of things like if you have
if you study altered states of consciousness just very lightly, you don't have to
be an expert on them, But if you study any kind of altered state
of consciousness, you know, people that do different forms of drug see and
hear and experience different things. Right, what's one of the most common thing
people see when they're taking something like DMT or ayahuasca. They see the little
people, they see gardens, they see things that remind you of the Garden
of Eden. They see snakes on trees and the serpent or ayahuasca woman.
You know, if you're a Christian and you took DMT, you might think
this is the Garden of Eden. And I'm not talking just about belief.
It's just a matter of how you perceive the world because if you go,
you know, to a like for me, if I go to a grocery
store and I see that some produces on sale, it's a great day for
me. I'm like, yeah, I'm going to save some money on these
oranges. Other people they go and looking for a bar of chocolate or a
bag of chips, and they're not looking at the oranges, like they just
pass it right by. We have a totally different experience in the same exact
space. As a silly example, or like if you're at a sporting event
or a concert. You know, wherever you sit, you're watching the same
thing, but you have a different experience. It's another silly example, but
I think it's the same thing when it comes to those kinds of experiences.
While I went to heaven. While I went to Hell, I was on
an alien spaceship, you know, I went to the moon and came back.
I call it the four to twenty and back. These things are just
the way that we perceive the world based on our perceptions, belief systems,
and more complicated things that are for smarter people than I. Yeah. I
mean everything is really dictated by the way that you were raised, your parents,
your experiences of trying ohood, and your experiences of life is creates some
format your perception of reality. But some people can come in and break that
type of like programming and go down a different route. And I feel like
that that I've done that. But that's what people think that the deja vu
is, is that dejevvu is like you, uh, possibly going down a
different route, or like maybe if you haven't experienced daejev in a really long
time, that means that you're on a good positive timeline. I think it's
either way. People switch back and forth with it. They're like, oh,
well, if you're experiencing deje vu all the time, then that means
that you're on the prime timeline, prime time, prime time for the timeline.
And but if you're not. Then it may mean that you're on a
bad timeline. But I haven't experienced dajev in a really long time, and
I tend to believe that that means that I'm on that made some kind of
good diversion from where things were headed. That's funny because I have Dajava.
I've had probably two or three this year, and that always makes me think,
oh, this makes me think that I'm on the right path. It's
just the opposite. By the way, when I read I can't remember the
woman's name. I think Margaret Cheney was her name. Her last name's Cheney.
But she wrote a book on Nicola Tesla and it was actually it was
used to make a documentary. I think that aired on TBS or something a
long time ago. It was a really interesting book on Nicola Tesla. And
I'm bringing this up real quick because when I read that book, oh,
I don't know, seven eight years ago, I didn't literally think I was
Nicola Tesla. But reading through it, all the things that she documents about
Tesla, about how he didn't want his food to touch and he was kind
of a loaner, and all the things she talked about, I'm thinking that's
me, that's me. That's me. I didn't like my food to touch.
I'm kind of a loner. I always had trouble getting girlfriends, just
like Nicola Tesla. I didn't actually think I was an electrical genius, but
I was thinking, like, huh so, so I can imagine outside of
that rider that someone who is delusional, and I don't even mean that as
an insult, but someone who is a little delusional could read about somebody like,
well, who does David Wilcox say he is Edgar Casey? Could read
about Edgar Casey and because of some picture that you have on the Internet,
be like, oh, that looks like me, I must be Edgar Casey.
You know. It's like, I feel like I'm a pretty rational person.
I read that book on Nicola Tesla. I have a lot of character
traits with that guy. But that doesn't mean I'm Nicola Tesla. But if
I really wanted to believe it, I could see how my mind could go
there pretty easily. And I give you one other example. When I was
a kid, I had sleep paralysis, and I don't I would never write
a book on this because I can't prove it and I don't really care to
prove it. I don't have a horse in the race, but I remember
seeing little creatures that were kind of like I don't know how to describe him
except to say like gray aliens. I don't know what it was. I
don't really, honestly even care to know what it was or to even have
much of a discussion on it. But if I really wanted to sell that,
I could, you know, market in the right way and be like,
you know, my experience with four gray aliens. It's just it's a
matter of what you believe. It's also a matter of how you choose to
perceive the world and how you choose to proceed with it, because I think
that there are people that have far more relevant and even documentable experiences that just
don't talk about them, you know, And there are people that want to
get famous or you know, they want the publicity. I mean, because
honestly, I mean, it's okay. I would say it's not a big
deal if your kid says he's like a Hollywood agent. But to take a
ten year old and put them in the media like that, like, I
don't know if that's really good parenting. It might be like the parents trying
to get some attention too, So just just a separate thought. People that
really do have experiences, like people that actually think that they're in the wrong
body separate issue, usually don't go around talk about it a lot. It's
usually something you keep inside, like your traumas and the other things you go
through. Because I've had alien experiences, I've had weird experiences, but I'm
not trying to sell them, so I'm zip lip about it. Yeah,
and I have too, And that's the thing is, like there's nothing that
anybody can tell me about my experience because I was the only one that experienced
it, Like, you can't tell me when I experienced And that's what people
try and do, though, Like they try and relate their experience to your
experience, and then that gets all jumbled up into an amazing conspiracy burrito that
I call it. You know, it turns into something that it never was
in the first place, and pretty soon you'll be believing that something that never
even happened in the first place. That's why I really don't talk. I
mean, I've spoken a few times about my experiences. And I also had
an experience with seeing a UFO in my backyard, and I have it on
video. I was shown up one time one time on the show, and
that was with Chris all Back, the very first time I ever brought him
on because we were talking about saucers and what Kenneth Arnold had seen or not
seen. But I probably could have went really far with that footage. I
could have sent it to all the big UFO shows and all the big people
because it's it was filmed with night vision goggles in my backyard and I seen
it as it was happening. Can can you bring those to the event?
You still have them? Yeah, I still have the footage. Yeah,
no, I'm at night vision. No I don't. It was a friend's
night vision goggles that was at my house at the time. We had like
a little get together, a little gathering, and she had the night vision
goggles and whipped them out and I was like, let me take a little
scan. And it took a I saw this weird boomerang white boomerang object that
was just floating through the sky, and I tracked it as long as I
could, and I was telling everyone that I was seeing it as I was
filming it. It was like, I'm getting something looks like a boomerang it's
weird, huge. Really, you'll have to show that to me sometime.
Yeah, And it's really interesting. And I could have went like all all
over with that because I think it's truly unexplainable, Like no one's been able
to tell me what that is. Is obviously not a bird. It is
way too big to be a bird. It's like pure it's like pure white.
It's just like a giant boomerang in the sky, and it's like going
right across the sky and I follow it until I can't follow it anymore.
The video is like a minute and thirty seconds, so it's not like one
of those ones. It's like eight second little stupid clip. You know,
it's legitimately as long as I couldn't till it faded in behind the trees.
But you know, and I it could have been a big deal, the
fat the black. So you know, I can save you some time.
If you had taken that the media, it would have been handled like this.
One group of people would have said, well, it's not really a
boomerang, it's a hair on the lens, and the other group would have
said it's a galactic spaceship. And I've been able to channel the aliens on
board. That's how it would have been viewed. So I just saved you
years of ridicule. Yes, I remote viewed the alien aboard this footage,
and it turns out that it was the Galactic Federation of Brotherhood thirty three Confederation
of Planets. They're here here, the Galactic Federation. I sent you that
article from the Hollywood Reporter. Did you get it about the kid? Yes?
I did. I'm gonna bring it up right now. It's a great
headline. Boy who clean who came back from heaven says he made it all
up. I thought it would give me attention. That's the Corey Good headline
man. He said he went to went to the moon and came back,
made it all up, made it all up. The boy who came back
from Heaven now says he didn't go to heaven at all. See, he
concocted the New York Times best selling lie to get attention. Well he's he's
already got all the money from it. Yeah. I mean he was like
crippled or something, wasn't he. I mean, well, that's not that
kid doing that's the parents doing that. Mostly, I can't even get a
publisher to publish my books. Some kid, some kid who's handicapped can get
a publisher to publish his books. It's the parents or the people they know
they abuse these kids, as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, they probably.
They definitely talked him into it. It's almost like that case of that
that young girl that killed her mom with her with her boyfriend. I can't
remember the name of the case, but oh that yeah, yeah, where
her mom made her out to be like she was like really sick and that
she had all this problem. Yeah, munch house and syndrome espe. She
did their kid and then she ended up. I think she's out of she
might be out of prison now. I can't remember her name, but uh,
that's what it kind of reminds me of. And definitely these parents are
influencing their their children on some level. Now. I don't know about this
boy that this ten year old boy that this doctor Jim Tucker and talking about,
because I don't know too much more about the case. I just found
it when I was looking for the old case of the boy they had the
experience and then went and met his past wife and in the future as a
new as a newly born child. That's some stuff right there. Well,
I don't know. I don't know likewise about this kid, and again I'm
just giving alternative ways of looking at it. Gypsy Rose, that's right.
Yeah, that's a wild, wild story. They had her mom had everyone
fool dude, everyone had the media fooled, her friends fooled, her family
fooled. And she could walk the entire time. They had her getting all
these weird surgeries and had a freaking feeding tube inner for a period of time
when she was perfectly healthy. Wow, some serious abuse. And I actually
think that's kind of what's going on with Greta Thunberg. But that's a whole,
whole other show. Anyway. I wanted to mention that all the people
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