Hey, everybody, this is Less Striving. Yes, yes, I know
aka Survivor Man, and you're listening to Brian on sasquatch Otis. Hey there,
welcome back to sasquatch I. Thank you so much for clicking play.
It is Sunday. I hope you had an amazing weekend. We have an
awesome guest line up for you. But before we get there, I want
to start as I always do. If you've had an encounter here and do
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out, become a member there and help support the show. I got to
sit down with WJ Shehan from Bigfoot Tear in the Woods. WJ is one
of these no nonsense guys that I immediately connected with. He's brash. I
love that about him. He definitely doesn't mince words and he always says what's
on his mind, which when it comes to Bigfoot, there is a lot
on his mind because he's written a total of eleven volumes of Bigfoot Tear in
the Woods Sightings and Encounters, and he's working on volume twelve. As we
speak, we get into all kinds of things here and he shares some of
his most compelling stories that he's ever heard, and we also talk about and
he shows me towards the end of this interview, he shows me a military
map that was given to him by a lifer in the military that shows Sasquatch
pictured and talked about here in the text as a dangerous animal for these special
operators that are going out into this area. It was definitely a fascinating twist
to this entire interview here. And if you'd like to see the picture of
the map that we refer to here in the interview, you can head over
to our blog Paranormorial Productions dot com check out the Sasquatch out to See blog
at the top of the page, and you can go over there and see
a picture of this map that Wjas holds up and shows me during this interview.
While you're there, really quickly, if you'd like to pick up an
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the book and you can get it autographed and personalized for you or ship those
out every Monday and every Thursday of each week. But enough of that,
I know you guys are ready to get into it. WJ is on the
line and he's ready to go. All that's left for you to do is
sit back, relax, and enjoy the show. I want to welcome our
guest to the show. It is WJ. Shehan, author and host of
Bigfoot, Tear in the Woods. Welcome to the show man. Good to
be with you, Brian, your audience, It is good to have you.
I've been looking forward to this conversation, so let's get right into it.
What in the world got you interested in Bigfoot to begin with? As
we were just saying, it was really the Patty film initially many years ago.
I just remember seeing it like in the late sixties, seventy whatever it
was, and was like, Wow, what the heck is that? When
at that time I was a teenager, things were different. Then you had
a few TV channels and things got thrown out there here and there. It's
not like it is today, when we've bombarded with the visuals and audios and
this channel and that channel was way different. And I saw it and my
brother reminded me. He's seventy years younger than me. He reminded me of
it being a trailer in the local movie theater. Now I have to say
I never saw that trailer, but he did. We had a movie house
around the corner where you could go for two movies on a Saturday, fifth
decent. The place was filled with cigarettes, smoke. It was a different
world. But he remembered that, so did I. It wasn't until much
later in my life that the sport was rekindled. Things happen in life,
right. If you asked me when you were twenty, would you be doing
what you're doing when you're forty, you'd probably say I don't think so.
But life has its way of finding a way. And if your game and
your inquisitive will find your way, and if you're doing what you love,
you'll never work a day in your life. I do a lot of things.
Man, I'm busy at than a one armed wallpaper hanger. I'm just
getting over COVID. I just tested negative for COVID. I thought I was
going to die five days ago, and here I am. You've got to
keep going. The interviews keep coming in, the people I meet keep coming
in. I was telling you earlier before we came on the air a very
recent interview. Search and rescue fellow had contacted me after he heard me doing
an interview on Coast to Coast AM And you learned from everybody, Brian,
anybody who's in this business, if you've got ears and eyes and you're listening,
you are getting educated by the people you talk. I have an education
on logging that I never thought I would ever have, and I learned it
all from the loggers that I talked to and that I have befriended. Getting
an education from the search and rescue guy who's opening up his heart and his
life to me. He is under the belief that Bigfoot is taking some of
the people they're looking for out there. He had an experience another member of
his rescue group was attacked by one with his young son up by Lena Lake,
one of the Lena Lakes, about four thousand foot elevation out in the
Olympic Peninsula. He comes out of the gate telling me about an account he
had heard about. He said there was a logging company coming into the South
end of the Olympic area, and they had sent in a couple of surveyors.
Their job was to lay out where the road was going to be constructed
that they would need to access the timber. When they got in there,
they found a yurt. Do you know what a yurt is? Okay?
So for those who are not knowledgeable of it, there are different types of
ERTs all over the globe. It's usually some type of upright framed little structure.
In some places they used straw for the roof. In this case,
they came into a yert that was big enough for a dozen grown men to
stand up inside, and the structure was made out of limbs and boughs that
had been born off, not cut off. No have evidence of stores axes
or wood chips in the area, and around this year would torn up deer
carcasses. These guys were so freaked out that they left the area. Contacted
the bors. He was ticked off at them, but he went back in
himself to see. When he went in there, he declared the area a
no go zone. They dumped a truckload of boulders by the entrance to where
they were going to build a road and put up a steel Gate with a
sign on it. This area has not been logged to this day. Now.
I ran this by a good friend of mine, Rich Lloyd, up
in Washington, fourth generation lagger. I said, Rich, what do you
make of his story? This guy just told me I told him the time
frame him whatnot. And he said to me, Bill, I heard that
story almost twenty years ago. And he said, you know what, I
believe it's true. And I said, who are the people you heard it
from? Were they reliable? And he said, oh yeah, yeah.
These were some good loggers that I knew down that way, and they had
passed a haunt him. And I said to myself, game shot match.
I just met this guy I know, Rich Lloyd, and he is a
no nonsense, no bullshit individual. And when he says to me good I
say, all right, it's like a handshake. I understand. I got
it. Thank you very much. So you see what people don't know about
a person like me, or perhaps you, They don't know when I'm interviewing
you, I might be testing the waters with a few of my own bag
of tricks, just to see if you're a BS and me if you are
who you say you are. And I'm not trying to be tricky or sneaky,
but it's just my nature. I'm not just going to accept anything.
You mentioned something about that guy's story about him believing that these things might be
responsible for taking some of the people that go missing, and that they're out
there looking for that's clearly some than that. David Plaides has went down the
road on with his Missing four one one. There's tons of people. Wayne
and I just did a podcast about it over on our other show, that
Bigfoot Podcast yesterday. We recorded it as we record this, it'll be out
tomorrow talking about some of these dog man attacks and other things across the country
that are killing these people and taking people. I am not one of these
people that believes that every sasquatch is out there that's bloodthirsty and wants to tear
people apart. But if these things are animals, like I believe they are,
I believe there's some sort of a giant eight. They can get pissed
off, just like people. There can be bad apples and bad actors.
So I have always believed that at least on some level, if these people
are disappearing way out in the middle of freaking nowhere in the back bush.
There's got to be an explanation. It's either a big cat taking them,
it's a bear. It's something bigger than them and badder than them that's taking
them, and Sasquatch is definitely one of those things in the woods. Let's
talk a little bit about that, what he might have told you, and
what you believe about that. Do you believe that's the case that they are
responsible for some of these folks that go missing in the woods. There's absolutely
no doubt in my mind. The simplicity of my logic is this, if
you run into a dog walking around out in the street, well wherever in
your neighborhood you're approaching that dog walking or on your bicycle, you don't know
what that dog's gonna do. When I was a paper boy, the dogs
used to come out. Some of them would wag their tail they knew I
would pet them. And then there was a couple of dogs that didn't matter
what day of the week it was, they were going to try to rip
you a new ass when they could. I said to myself, you have
no idea the disposition of this animal out in the woods and how it feels
at any given moment. About you or anybody else. And you're a fool
if you take the stand that all their harm homeless woodland creatures. What do
you base that on just because you like the way they look or you feel
good about them. That's nonsense. Stay away, harry a freaking bosuka if
you can. But you gotta be kidding me. I have a freaking samurai
sword lying next to my bed over here. You come into my house,
you'll get in the business end of that sword. If I didn't invite you.
I'm going to approach an animal in the woods the same way. I
want a shotgun, I want a large board pistol, and I want a
big freaking knife, and I'm gonna give you all of them if you ask
me for it. I just put an account in my volume twelve, which
I'm working on right now. This fellow was a mountain biker in Colorado.
Now we have mountain bikers around me, but these guys are riding on relatively
flat trails through the pine barrens. This cat is going up on hills,
cliffs, jumping off rocks. These guys are really at it mountain bike.
He says, he's coming down one of the trails one day solo and he
finds a helmet, stops, picks the helmet up. Inside was dried blood,
no harm, no foul. He figures some dude crashed, busted his
freaking head, left the helmet there, got out of there, and that
was the end of it. Not so fast, a little bit of time
goes by. He finds a bicycle and the bicycle was damaged, but he
said, this was an expensive bike, thousands of dollars. The chain was
all rusted. It had evidently been left out there for quite a while.
And he said, it doesn't make sense even if you crashed out, would
you not somehow, some way have a friend or a fellow rider or somebody
go back and get this bike. That's where to three grand I would,
And he's saying I would too. So now fist forward. He's in the
similar area, and he wears the same helmet on his mountain bike that he
wears when he's riding on the road bike. So if you've seen him,
one of those helmets put the little dental mirror hanging out of the side so
they could see the cars coming up behind him. He's riding down the trail
and he catches a glimpse in this one inch wide mirror of a sasquatch stepping
out behind him on the trail as he's rolling along, and that was all
he needed to see on the pedals overdrive. If I died, but I'm
not dying for lack of try it. Nothing happened. But he saw this
thing and it was coming up behind him. So what do you say about
that this thing was observing him? These creatures are looking, they see,
they're stalking, they're hungry. You know, what if these creatures have some
type of abnormal animal mental illness. What if they're just not normal aside from
just being a wild creature. Animals fight amongst themselves, just over territory to
the death. So who's to say what one of these things would do to
you or I if we caught them on a certain day, in a certain
location, at a certain time of the year. There is absolutely no way
of predisposing what will happen. It's an impossibility. I saw you on with
Doug and Alex. I think it was last year. I just interviewed Adam
Cole. That show has not aired over here, but Adam was literally out
on a thirty day camp out. When you guys were talking to him and
he was broadcasting live into the show that you did with Doug and Alex.
And there was another guy, I believe it was Minnesota Bigfoot. He was
a big, hulking dude with big arms. He looked like he'd never missed
the day in the gym. One of the things that really made me fall
in love with you immediately was the way you talked to this guy. You
were like, do you have a gun? Dude? Like what you have?
Bear spray and a knife and you're in the middle of the freaking nowhere
for thirty days. That's just dumb dude. And I love Adam. He's
a great guy. He did survive ladies and gentlemen. He didn't make it
out. But the other guy that spoke up, and I'm sorry I don't
remember his name, but it was Minnesota Bigfoot, some organization he was with.
He said, I don't take a gun out with me, but I
believe if you go out into the woods and you put out positive energy and
you let these things know that you're not there to harm them, and I
think you're gonna get that in return. I just remember looking at that episode
and listening to what it was saying. And he's not the only person I've
ever talked to that takes that stance. I'm thinking, dude, there's bear
on my property here in North Carolina. I go out with a gun because
we've ran into a sow and two cubs on the property about three years ago.
I don't think any positive affirmations or positive energy I could have put out
towards her would have stopped her from killing me if she had wanted to.
That's right, And I don't think it's the same thing with Bigfoot. I
hear that from a lot of people. They think they're friendly forest giants,
and oh, if you put that out there and you get good energy,
sure, dogs can pick up on good energy. People can pick up on
energy. These things pick up on energy as well, I'm sure. But
I don't think you're going in with a positive attitude and just tell them,
hey, big guy, I'm just here to observe. Is not going to
work if they want to tear you from limb to limb. That's just my
personal opinion about it. Yeah. Now, back in the sixties seventies,
we used to say I got a good vibe, right, you went to
a party, you introduced to some girl, you'd say, I get a
good vibe from that chick. In the same token, there were times when
he said no, and I don't think so. You didn't even have to
say anything to anybody, But even if you kept it to yourself, you
knew what you've felt. And I take the stand that in today's modern days
and times, particularly in more suburban or urban settings, people are so disconnected
from that god given innert sense of knowing when it's time to arm load your
musket brother, because something's freaking coming. We could go forward from that and
just say to myself, if you think something is wrong, it probably is.
You don't need to wait to prove it out. Get out of there,
get out of the freaking woods, immediately retreat. He who fights and
runs away lives to fight another day. I definitely agree. I know you've
documented tons of stories people have shared their experiences with you. Are there any
that stick out? And I know this is a tough question. I'm four
hundred plus episodes in on my show, so people ask me this and put
me on the spot, and I can't ever think of one story that sticks
out. But are there some that were maybe more aggressive or violent encounters that
people have shared with you that you can share with the audience. There's so
many, Like for instance, when I was on Coast to Coast a month
ago, I shared the Mount Rose night trail encounter, which is what I
named this simply because these two guys regularly hiked together. They have hiked Mount
Rows numerous times together, and their gig was getting up to altitude in the
middle of the night on a nice night and just crashing under the stars for
an hour and looking at the sky and the scenery and the distance and stuff.
In the middle of the night, people just do what they're gonna do.
You know. They were coming back down this trail had a lot of
switchbacks. Some places you had to climb hand and foot. But this is
not necessarily an easy going hike. When they were coming back, the mountain
side fell away where there were trees and dirt visible even in the moonlight,
and they saw something go by between some of these trees, and one had
said to the other, now they start hearing like gravel like falling away,
and they're like, something's freaking down there, man, This thing is like
flanking us. So hanging around out there. Short while later they found out
what it was because they came into a straight run on the trail that was
like about one hundred and fifty feet long, and standing in front of them
with red eyes by the way, that he said were about ten feet from
the ground surface, was this silhouette right in the trail looking at them where
they want walk. The one was ahead of the other one walking single file.
They had ski poles that they used as walking sticks. The guy up
front didn't know the dude in the back had just picked up a rock and
threw it at this thing. It took about two seconds for this thing to
let out our freaking screw raw and they turned and started going back up the
trail in the unison. That lasted about five seconds. And the guy who
was now in the rear, who didn't know the guy behind him through the
rock, screamed, And when he turned around, his buddy was laying on
his back on the ground with his backpack, the aluminum frame, the whole
nine yards on the ground, and this thing was howling over him. He's
dead meat, you know what I mean. He already knocked him on the
ground. He took his ski pole and flung it at this thing over his
buddy, just like a whirligig. It was the only thing he could think
of to do. He believes to point the end of the skiphole speared this
thing right in or around its eye because it put both hands up to the
face, was like screaming and groaning, and actually lost its balance and fell
off the side of the trail. So he ran over to his friend tried
to pick him up. He thought his arm was broken. It turned out
as clavicle was broken, and he said, man, you got to get
up. This freaking thing will kill us. So he helped him to his
feet. They got off the trail, but that was an actual attack,
and they could hear this thing scream and when they made their way down off
a mount rose the whole time. Why did this thing flank them? Why
was it blocking their way? What was the intention of this thing? You
have to say, I don't think you'd wanted to have a little body with
them on the mountain side. Nothing makes sense about that other than it wanted
to either, I hate to say, interact with them. You don't know.
But what we do know is when the guy hated with a rock,
it was game on, do me this favor. I wanted to hear this
entire story. You told a little bit about Kelly's story from Oregon. Do
you mind regaling us with Kelly's story? He had a pretty intense experience.
I think he was attacked in a trailer or something. I heard you say.
Would you mind recounting that story for us? What happened with Kelly was
Now here's how things are interconnected. I learned of Kelly through my friend Dave.
Dave is a logger, Kelly is alignment. But they know each other,
their buddies in Oregon. They'd very handy guys. They build their own
houses. Aside from being a logger, Dave builds his own boats. These
guys are freaking incredible. So Dave turns me on too. Kelly. Mind
you, Dave had said several encounters solo and with his logging crew all around
the salmon Berry Canyon in Oregon, logging in that area for decades. He
turned me on to Kelly, who was his friend who was the first to
have an encounter in like the nineteen eighties in the Salmonberry Canyon. Now,
when you talk about people who were out of touch with what other people do
around the country, Kelly and somebody he knew. In the late summer and
fall of the year, were going into this location to harvest Christmas tree boughs
for use during the holiday season. They were weigh in on this logging road
to be in the area they wanted to be, and Kelly had brought his
trailer in there. The other guy who was with him was going in and
out on the weekends. Kelly said he never went out unless he needed supplies
or just wanted to take a good shower. They were bundling bows into four
hundred pound bales and having them helicoptered out of there. You want to talk
about an ingenious way to make a buck. Who the heck does that?
But that's what they were doing. So Kelly had a dog. The dog
used to stick really close to the trunk of the trees when he was up
and them cutting. He was smart enough to know how to stay out of
the drops on when the branches were coming down. And Kelly said, this
dog started to act very funny after a while, and he took note of
it. But you get used to your pet. It's just him and her
out there. The other guy, even when he was there, they weren't
next to each other. They were working different areas, so he's got this
trailer. He said. There was a watering hole there what they call it,
like a fire pond, something like that. They deliberately put this pond
there in case there was a forest fire. There was a little reserve in
there that the fire guys knew about. He was in his trailer and this
thing started coming around the trailer, scratching it, pounding on it. It
freaked him out so bad that he hit the floor in the trailer. He
had spent the last weekend at his house and left his three fifty seven on
the table after cleaning it. So he's in the trailer. His dog was
left home, his gun is at his house, and he's sitting there with
this little fricking pigsticker with something bashing the side of his trailer that he's in.
After a period of time, he made a bus for it, out
of the door and ran for his truck. He went out. He drove
around a little bit. He spent the night sleeping in the truck down the
road a couple of miles, and came back in the morning. He found
a trail going up through the grass in his field that his trailer was in.
Going around the trailer, the matted down grass and whatnot, and then
up and away from it. That was his encounter. He didn't see anything,
and he was left with saying, what the hell was that? This
wasn't a bear, it wasn't a cougar. So that was the beginning.
Now, Dave later in the salmon bery, he's driving his log truck in
the middle of the night, twenty five mile road in and out of this
logging section. I've seen pictures of it. I've seen pictures of trucks that
flipped off the side, and he can't believe what these guys take on doing
this work. He pulls off to this old siding to take a dump in
the woods. He gets out of his truck, he goes down into this
little hollow and while he's squatting down in the middle of his business, he's
looking at a beam of sunlight coming through the canopy that's illuminating what he thinks
is a stump. All of a sudden, the stump stands up and stay
tuned for more sasquatch outa sy wearing right back after these messages, and he's
in the middle of his business watching this happen. Very close to him.
This thing stood up, walked his way up the other side of this hollow,
and was gone. Fast forward weeks later, and I won't tell you
the whole story, because we could spend twenty minutes just talking about it.
He's coming down the road in the middle of the night, and his headlights
are passing through the trees. As he's moving around these turns on this road,
the headlights hit this black and gray. He said, it was the
biggest silver backed gorilla I had ever seen in my life, and it was
frozen, hands against a tree trunk like it knew it had been hit by
the lights and just stayed still. He knew what he saw. And it
was weeks later that the same creature, or a similar creature black and silver
or black and gray, appeared on the work site, and everybody on the
logging crew store it. So Dave had never mentioned anything to his coworkers about
the thing where he was taking care of business, or having seen this in
the headlights, but now all of them had seen it. Now, these
dudes they periodically, I want to say regularly, but regularly, I'm not
leading to believe this is every week. They regularly find tracks around their work
areas in Oregon. I've seen pictures of tracks measured out. I have no
reason to disbelieve these guys whatsoever. And they're just one of two individuals out
of hundreds. Again, I have no reason to distrust them to disbelieve.
They could easily say to me, Hey, Bill, you're full of crap.
I've had angelic incounters, UFO counters. I know what happened to me.
It doesn't matter to me at all if you believe me or think I'm
a complete nutcase. Either way is okay with me, and I just live
with it. I stand my ground in that if I say Brian is full
of crap, that Brian can just say you're full of crap and we just
go back and forth in the spitting match with no end in sight. I
look for that trust, that inert feeling that this guy is on the level,
and sometimes I can prove it out. It's like the Biblical narrative,
in the mouth of two or three witnesses, let every accusation be established two
witnesses is really good in my book. I'll pick the word of a witness.
But when I get two people climbing on the bandwagon, that don't know
each other. Like that thing about the story of the loggers declaring that place
and no goes on. If the finding that yurk and dismembered animals, I'm
pretty good with that. I don't need anything else. Let's talk a little
bit about the opposite of that, because that's one of the things I think
everybody like you and I who do shows and write books and document these kind
of encounters, you run across those stories that are just so far out there
it's very difficult to believe. Just a couple of quick examples. I had
a guy on months and months ago who claimed that back when he was in
his late teens early twenties, on the camping trip with some boy scouts,
he had sex with the female sasquatch. Wayne and I have talked about this
story about this lady who was she was raped in the woods by a sasquatch
is what she's claiming, and had Sasquatch's baby. You get some of those
really out there stories. There are people's experiences, and I've said it all
the time, I don't judge people for their experiences on the show. That's
the premise of this show. Your experiences are your experiences. This is a
judgment free zone for you documenting some of these stories. Hey, have you
heard some of those really out there stories? How do you deal with those
and sust those out? When you're taking those stories? How do you suss
that out as an investigator in someone documenting it? How do you feel about
some of the more out there stories that you had people tell you in the
past. I'll tell you straight up, man, this guy that says he
had sex with a female sasquatch, that boy ain't right. Number two.
I have a fellow up in Alberta who has been hot on the trail with
sasquatch for years, and I talked to him on a somewhat regular basis.
He's in touch with a lot of indigenous people up there that know what he's
doing, and people feed him with information. He did have one incident where
some of the local people caught at this sasquatch who had grabbed this girl and
took her off the side of the road into the woods. After the fact,
she said this thing was like fondling her and snipping her hair and stuff.
Some other people saw what had happened and stood up and shoed this thing
off. Now, weasel which is how I know this guy. Weasel said
to me, it's his opinion that when it's that time of the month,
just like with deer, bucks will come after a female that is in heat,
a human female. He believes that they are enticed by that same thing,
and that you need to keep an eye on yourself and be aware of
that when you're entering into the woods and you're inexperienced a naive about how things
in nature may work or against you. So I'm not open and shut on
that. Weaesel told me what he told me. I'm like, yeah,
take it with a grain of salt. But Weasel has sent me some incredible
photographs. He sent me a picture of a pila dung one day that he
said was from a sasquatch. Now, I'm gonna tell you something about Weasel,
and a lot of people are gonna listen to this. Weasel steaks out
a couple of dumps. I'm cooking garbage stumps, and the dump sites are
about fifty miles apart up in Canada. He sets up tree stands and spends
overnights watching the dumps, and he says a lot of bears come into the
dumps, rummaging around. He has sasquatch coming into the dump. He took
a picture of this pile of poo, and inside of the pile of poo
was a long strand of red plastic beads. And he said to me,
and I'm gonna mimic him to make you laugh a little bit. He says
to me, been looking at his dumbass. He thinks he's eating berries their
plastic beads. When I'm laughing with him, but he's right. This animal,
if it was from a sasquatch, is rummaging through this garbage site.
Maybe thinks she's looking at berries, the cherries. I don't know when he's
freaking sticking it in his room. Now, I'll tell you this look back
to day for a second. After he had sighted the creature taking a dump,
Dave ran across the pilot dung in the middle of this road that only
one truck could pass at a time, and he had been off the side
of the road on radio, allowing this pickup truck to come through before he
went. It wasn't even ten minutes time between the two of them sharing the
same road. He sees something in front of his truck that looks like a
big boulder, and he's thinking maybe it fell off the cliff base and he
stopped. There was a mammoth size pile of dung right in the tire track
that the pickup truck had just left going through before him. In the pilot
dung was a full size rat that hadn't even been digested, that had been
expelled from whatever dropped this load off. If he got my adrift, there
are weird things going on out And like I said, Dave is no man,
and I don't take Weasel to be a fool either. He's a guide.
He sent me pictures of him guiding some very well known people where he's
in the group and they're in the cabin. He knows what he's doing.
He may seem a little odd to some people, especially when he says you
could call me weasel. I don't know of anybody I want anybody to call
me weasel. But this is the life he leads, and he's convinced that
he's gonna find skeletal remains of a bigfoot and set the world on find.
But that's the Weasel. It keeps things interesting and occasionally we talk and who
knows what this guy's gonna come up. But it's also the nature of this
business. It is a lot of weirdness going on in here. And in
the middle of all of this weirdness, there was a great quote in one
of Sherlock Holmes series, and Watson was questioning Holmes, and obviously this came
from Sarrothur Conan Doyle, not Charlocke Holmes, and he said, Watson,
after you have eliminated everything that is not true, no matter how strange it
may seem, whatever is left must be the truth. And I'd love that
because once you've grubbed everything that you know to be beloney, whatever you're left
with, as bizarre as it may seem, must be the truth, because
after all, this was the result of that. In those cases, it
was usually a murder, right Charlock Holmes, a robbery, a jewel theft,
So you knew there was a result. The you knew there was an
end to the game. The question was what was the game and who perpetrated
I look at sundsquatching this way. You're not reading their minds, you're not
getting directly in to their world. We're observers, we're not experts. There
are no freaking experts. We are observers, we are sharing information, we're
talking with people. Let's take him my friend Jerry Court, right, Jerry,
if you're listening to this, God bless you, bro, and I'm
praying for swift healing field. Jerry's in a bad way right now. Jerry
was a bush pilot in Alaska. He used to regularly fly between Juno and
Saskatchewan along the Linn Canal or over the Mendenhall Glacier. On this route,
he picked up these native people one day, which are very common. There's
no way to get around up there. They wanted to fly over the Lynn
Canal because they wanted to see if there are any orcas in there. And
Jerry said, I just came from Saskatchewan this morning on a mail run and
there's no orca in the canal. So he decided to take them up over
the menden Hall and come to Saskatchewan this other way. He gets out over
the glacier with a few people in his plane and a baby on one woman's
lap. He said he was now outside of the habitable zone, about thirty
miles out. Even people on snow machines wouldn't be out there, and he
picks up on a track line. Now he's looking. He's not saying anything
to the people in the plane, but they also have to maintain a certain
altitude out there, because you're already at elevation flying along the glacier, which
is falling away from a mountain slope. The idea of being if you had
an engine failure and you were too low to the ground, you couldn't even
have an opportunity to make it to a potentially safe place where you can put
the bird down. He starts to see this track line outside of the thirty
mile more and he's following it. He drops altitude a little bit, and
he's realizing that these are linear footprints. They look like somebody had laid them
down with big snow shoes. But nobody's out there those shoes unless you're gonna
die. He comes up on a group of sasquatch traveling along the glacier,
and he said to me, damn, if I didn't have passengers with me
this one day, I would have gone down on him and buzzed them.
There's a little more to the story than that. But he told me that
the governmental people and scientific community over there that do core samples on the glacier
and whatnot are aware of these things, and some of them are of the
belief that they are actually traveling out of the Canadian side across the glacier to
go down to the Lynn Canal when the salmon run is on. This is
an opinion. But you don't hear any of this stuff from anybody in mainstream
media on the news. This is all local stuff that is contained in a
certain sphere of individuals who are in the nu or know somebody who was in
the know. These things are happening with regularity in many diverse locations with a
lot of different people that we will never hear about. I'm gonna show you
some I brought this today. Can you see this what I'm holding here?
Yes? Okay, this is a really big map. If I unfold this
whole thing is three feet by five feet front and back. Can you see
what it says here? Evasion chart EVC. Tringer Stash zero two a training
chart, fourth edition, October two thousand and seven. This is from the
Air Force Special Training and Survival Grounds in Washington States. This was given to
me by a lifer in the military who had it given to him by a
Special Forces operative in the corner of this map, which is nothing like any
map you've ever seen in your life. It's not a road map. It
doesn't show you any roads, it doesn't mark cities. It's strictly used for
learning how to use a compass, celestial navigation, survive off the land,
which is what it's all about. Now, there are four locations in Washington
State where they trained survival. The mountain zone, the desert zone, the
coastal zone, and there's one other area in the corner of this map.
I want you to look at this. Do you see what that says dangerous
animals? You see what The first animal on the list is a cougar right
now watch this. See the next animal moose, badger, black bear,
coyote. Oh, and I see a bobcat and a sasquatch. Yes,
sirree, this is an official military map. I think it's made out of
tivek and I believe that probably somebody like DuPont made this up in the military,
probably in the sixties, for their use, and then it showed up
on Bob Vela's this old house where they were using it as house wrap.
You could throw this freaking map in your swimming pool for ten years and pull
it out. The water will not bleed the ink and it will not be
damaged. Now, what the freak is a sasquatch doing on a military training
map. They don't fool around about anything. There are no jokes in the
military. It's a matter of defend, attack and preserve the integrity of life
of you and your men. You're not goofing around with these guys showing them
this picture because it's not there. You're showing them it's there because you want
to warn them that this thing could kill you. Now, I know of
a guy who was in on one of these meetings. You have to consider
how many people have seen this map and how many have you heard about that
have seen him? Not? What's with that? This guy said he was
in on one of these meetings, and when they questioned the scene a sasquatch,
what the freak? The guy running the meetings said, if you see
one of these things, do not act aggressively towards The question was raised,
why they said, There have been those who have and it didn't end well
for them. End of story, end of story. This is just another
feather in the cap. Paul Sagan once said, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence,
and I believe that the threshold but extraordinary evidence when it comes to Sasquatch
was crossed and exceeded a long time ago. I don't need to see anything
beyond the Patty film, which I already told you, But beyond that,
the things I have heard, the photographs I have seen, the people I've
interview, I don't need any I'm not in this business to prove anything to
you. I don't care if you think I'm bat booky crazy. I know
what I'm doing when I know my business, and I know what I'm doing
in the hospital setting. Two. I'm an instructor. Where I work,
I train people to do what I do, and I train them in the
right way and to do things in the right way. That's the way I
teach them. So I could joke with them down the road and say,
who'd have freak taught you? When they get it, like, okay,
man, I get it when I catch them doing stuff that they shouldn't be
doing, or pludging around with their telephones when they're supposed to be observing things
and whatnot, which is way too common today. Yeah, there's so much
stuff going on bright. It's just such incredible diversity that you just can't fathom
what's coming next. That's what keeps me coming back for more. Man,
I feel like we could talk for another two hours, but I want to
be respectful of your time. Let's talk about your books. I know you
mentioned that you were working on volume twelve. Talk about the previous volumes your
books where people can find them, and tell us a little bit about your
podcast and what they can expect when they check out Bigfoot Tear in the Woods.
All right, First of all, my bookshare is just called Bigfoot Terror
in the Woods, Sightings and Encounters. There are eleven volumes out. You
can get them all on Amazon. All of them are in paperback, ebook
and kindle format. Ten of the eleven are available in the audio book for
people who like to listen. In the middle of volume twelve right now,
Gist is also Bigfoot Terror in the Woods. So the books are Bigfoot Terror
in Woods, Sidings and Encounters. Gus is Bigfoot Terror in the Woods.
WJ Shean. What we do is, first of all, we're not making
a nickel on this podcast. My brother and I do just find for ourselves
and we'll leave that at that we start off the show with a segment that
I call cryptids in the News and other oddities. Sometimes we're talking about creepy
places, demonic things, cryptids, strange things, be they true or not,
and occasionally Bigfoot. Then I enter into ninety nine point nine to nine
percent of a time one of the encounters with Bigfoot that I have. And
then at the end of the show we do listener mail. We're reading and
trying to engage in a little fun and conversation and listen, man, I'm
a half a freaking comedian, so you don't need to twist my aunt to
get you to put a smile on your face. I'm going to be trying
to do that from a minute we meet. We have some fun with that,
and then boom, the podcast is over and we do one a week.
People seem to like what we're doing and we're having a good time.
We're always beating the bushes for new people, and I always say, if
you've seen something, say something, and I invite people to continually seek me
out. And it's funny because on the end of the podcast on every show,
I say, always carry more gun than you thank you going to need.
And that's the truth, whatever it takes you use very good advice.
You guys, go over and check it out. I will link to the
books and I will link to the show in the show notes. You guys,
go over and check out my new favorite person in Bigfoot Wjy. She
and I've had a blast talking to you, man. Thank you so much
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