WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:03.120 Hey, everybody, this is Less Striving. Yes, yes, I know 2 00:00:03.359 --> 00:00:30.160 aka Survivor Man, and you're listening to Brian on sasquatch Otis. Hey there, 3 00:00:30.239 --> 00:00:34.439 welcome back to sasquatch I. Thank you so much for clicking play. 4 00:00:34.479 --> 00:00:37.880 It is Sunday. I hope you had an amazing weekend. We have an 5 00:00:37.920 --> 00:00:40.439 awesome guest line up for you. But before we get there, I want 6 00:00:40.479 --> 00:00:44.119 to start as I always do. If you've had an encounter here and do 7 00:00:44.240 --> 00:00:46.640 let's be on the show. Shoot me an email. You can get me 8 00:00:46.640 --> 00:00:50.520 at Brian at Paranomoworldproductions dot com. Can head over to the website check it 9 00:00:50.560 --> 00:00:54.880 out, become a member there and help support the show. I got to 10 00:00:54.920 --> 00:01:00.320 sit down with WJ Shehan from Bigfoot Tear in the Woods. WJ is one 11 00:01:00.359 --> 00:01:04.159 of these no nonsense guys that I immediately connected with. He's brash. I 12 00:01:04.239 --> 00:01:07.719 love that about him. He definitely doesn't mince words and he always says what's 13 00:01:07.760 --> 00:01:11.319 on his mind, which when it comes to Bigfoot, there is a lot 14 00:01:11.359 --> 00:01:15.519 on his mind because he's written a total of eleven volumes of Bigfoot Tear in 15 00:01:15.560 --> 00:01:19.519 the Woods Sightings and Encounters, and he's working on volume twelve. As we 16 00:01:19.640 --> 00:01:22.920 speak, we get into all kinds of things here and he shares some of 17 00:01:22.959 --> 00:01:26.840 his most compelling stories that he's ever heard, and we also talk about and 18 00:01:26.920 --> 00:01:30.000 he shows me towards the end of this interview, he shows me a military 19 00:01:30.120 --> 00:01:34.879 map that was given to him by a lifer in the military that shows Sasquatch 20 00:01:36.200 --> 00:01:41.799 pictured and talked about here in the text as a dangerous animal for these special 21 00:01:41.840 --> 00:01:46.040 operators that are going out into this area. It was definitely a fascinating twist 22 00:01:46.040 --> 00:01:48.920 to this entire interview here. And if you'd like to see the picture of 23 00:01:48.959 --> 00:01:52.079 the map that we refer to here in the interview, you can head over 24 00:01:52.120 --> 00:01:55.920 to our blog Paranormorial Productions dot com check out the Sasquatch out to See blog 25 00:01:55.920 --> 00:01:57.359 at the top of the page, and you can go over there and see 26 00:01:57.359 --> 00:02:01.319 a picture of this map that Wjas holds up and shows me during this interview. 27 00:02:01.640 --> 00:02:05.120 While you're there, really quickly, if you'd like to pick up an 28 00:02:05.159 --> 00:02:08.840 autographed copy of my new book, Sasquatch Unleashed the Truth behind the Legend, 29 00:02:09.159 --> 00:02:12.400 you can do that there. All you have to do is hit the store 30 00:02:12.400 --> 00:02:15.199 button right at the top of the page. There it'll take you over to 31 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:19.520 the book and you can get it autographed and personalized for you or ship those 32 00:02:19.560 --> 00:02:23.479 out every Monday and every Thursday of each week. But enough of that, 33 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:25.240 I know you guys are ready to get into it. WJ is on the 34 00:02:25.280 --> 00:02:29.159 line and he's ready to go. All that's left for you to do is 35 00:02:29.199 --> 00:02:51.919 sit back, relax, and enjoy the show. I want to welcome our 36 00:02:51.919 --> 00:02:55.120 guest to the show. It is WJ. Shehan, author and host of 37 00:02:55.159 --> 00:02:58.919 Bigfoot, Tear in the Woods. Welcome to the show man. Good to 38 00:02:58.960 --> 00:03:01.280 be with you, Brian, your audience, It is good to have you. 39 00:03:01.319 --> 00:03:05.400 I've been looking forward to this conversation, so let's get right into it. 40 00:03:05.919 --> 00:03:09.000 What in the world got you interested in Bigfoot to begin with? As 41 00:03:09.039 --> 00:03:14.520 we were just saying, it was really the Patty film initially many years ago. 42 00:03:14.680 --> 00:03:17.439 I just remember seeing it like in the late sixties, seventy whatever it 43 00:03:17.639 --> 00:03:22.599 was, and was like, Wow, what the heck is that? When 44 00:03:22.639 --> 00:03:25.879 at that time I was a teenager, things were different. Then you had 45 00:03:25.919 --> 00:03:30.199 a few TV channels and things got thrown out there here and there. It's 46 00:03:30.240 --> 00:03:35.719 not like it is today, when we've bombarded with the visuals and audios and 47 00:03:35.960 --> 00:03:39.879 this channel and that channel was way different. And I saw it and my 48 00:03:40.039 --> 00:03:46.080 brother reminded me. He's seventy years younger than me. He reminded me of 49 00:03:46.159 --> 00:03:52.159 it being a trailer in the local movie theater. Now I have to say 50 00:03:52.240 --> 00:03:55.520 I never saw that trailer, but he did. We had a movie house 51 00:03:55.560 --> 00:04:00.000 around the corner where you could go for two movies on a Saturday, fifth 52 00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:03.639 decent. The place was filled with cigarettes, smoke. It was a different 53 00:04:03.680 --> 00:04:09.319 world. But he remembered that, so did I. It wasn't until much 54 00:04:09.439 --> 00:04:14.639 later in my life that the sport was rekindled. Things happen in life, 55 00:04:14.680 --> 00:04:16.439 right. If you asked me when you were twenty, would you be doing 56 00:04:16.480 --> 00:04:20.600 what you're doing when you're forty, you'd probably say I don't think so. 57 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:29.839 But life has its way of finding a way. And if your game and 58 00:04:30.079 --> 00:04:33.600 your inquisitive will find your way, and if you're doing what you love, 59 00:04:33.639 --> 00:04:38.240 you'll never work a day in your life. I do a lot of things. 60 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:42.279 Man, I'm busy at than a one armed wallpaper hanger. I'm just 61 00:04:42.360 --> 00:04:46.759 getting over COVID. I just tested negative for COVID. I thought I was 62 00:04:46.800 --> 00:04:50.160 going to die five days ago, and here I am. You've got to 63 00:04:50.279 --> 00:04:56.720 keep going. The interviews keep coming in, the people I meet keep coming 64 00:04:56.759 --> 00:05:00.560 in. I was telling you earlier before we came on the air a very 65 00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:08.160 recent interview. Search and rescue fellow had contacted me after he heard me doing 66 00:05:08.199 --> 00:05:12.800 an interview on Coast to Coast AM And you learned from everybody, Brian, 67 00:05:13.240 --> 00:05:15.519 anybody who's in this business, if you've got ears and eyes and you're listening, 68 00:05:16.040 --> 00:05:20.399 you are getting educated by the people you talk. I have an education 69 00:05:20.680 --> 00:05:26.959 on logging that I never thought I would ever have, and I learned it 70 00:05:27.040 --> 00:05:30.360 all from the loggers that I talked to and that I have befriended. Getting 71 00:05:30.360 --> 00:05:35.160 an education from the search and rescue guy who's opening up his heart and his 72 00:05:35.279 --> 00:05:41.839 life to me. He is under the belief that Bigfoot is taking some of 73 00:05:41.879 --> 00:05:46.800 the people they're looking for out there. He had an experience another member of 74 00:05:46.839 --> 00:05:51.879 his rescue group was attacked by one with his young son up by Lena Lake, 75 00:05:53.040 --> 00:05:56.600 one of the Lena Lakes, about four thousand foot elevation out in the 76 00:05:56.639 --> 00:06:01.000 Olympic Peninsula. He comes out of the gate telling me about an account he 77 00:06:01.120 --> 00:06:06.199 had heard about. He said there was a logging company coming into the South 78 00:06:06.360 --> 00:06:12.560 end of the Olympic area, and they had sent in a couple of surveyors. 79 00:06:13.360 --> 00:06:15.839 Their job was to lay out where the road was going to be constructed 80 00:06:15.879 --> 00:06:19.920 that they would need to access the timber. When they got in there, 81 00:06:20.040 --> 00:06:25.199 they found a yurt. Do you know what a yurt is? Okay? 82 00:06:25.279 --> 00:06:29.639 So for those who are not knowledgeable of it, there are different types of 83 00:06:29.839 --> 00:06:34.560 ERTs all over the globe. It's usually some type of upright framed little structure. 84 00:06:35.040 --> 00:06:40.439 In some places they used straw for the roof. In this case, 85 00:06:41.120 --> 00:06:45.000 they came into a yert that was big enough for a dozen grown men to 86 00:06:45.079 --> 00:06:49.360 stand up inside, and the structure was made out of limbs and boughs that 87 00:06:49.439 --> 00:06:56.279 had been born off, not cut off. No have evidence of stores axes 88 00:06:56.480 --> 00:07:00.600 or wood chips in the area, and around this year would torn up deer 89 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:06.879 carcasses. These guys were so freaked out that they left the area. Contacted 90 00:07:06.920 --> 00:07:11.480 the bors. He was ticked off at them, but he went back in 91 00:07:11.639 --> 00:07:15.959 himself to see. When he went in there, he declared the area a 92 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:21.720 no go zone. They dumped a truckload of boulders by the entrance to where 93 00:07:21.720 --> 00:07:25.720 they were going to build a road and put up a steel Gate with a 94 00:07:25.839 --> 00:07:30.079 sign on it. This area has not been logged to this day. Now. 95 00:07:30.120 --> 00:07:33.720 I ran this by a good friend of mine, Rich Lloyd, up 96 00:07:33.800 --> 00:07:39.839 in Washington, fourth generation lagger. I said, Rich, what do you 97 00:07:39.879 --> 00:07:43.360 make of his story? This guy just told me I told him the time 98 00:07:43.399 --> 00:07:46.279 frame him whatnot. And he said to me, Bill, I heard that 99 00:07:46.439 --> 00:07:50.519 story almost twenty years ago. And he said, you know what, I 100 00:07:50.600 --> 00:07:55.120 believe it's true. And I said, who are the people you heard it 101 00:07:55.160 --> 00:07:58.439 from? Were they reliable? And he said, oh yeah, yeah. 102 00:07:58.519 --> 00:08:01.560 These were some good loggers that I knew down that way, and they had 103 00:08:01.600 --> 00:08:07.839 passed a haunt him. And I said to myself, game shot match. 104 00:08:07.639 --> 00:08:11.959 I just met this guy I know, Rich Lloyd, and he is a 105 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:18.000 no nonsense, no bullshit individual. And when he says to me good I 106 00:08:18.079 --> 00:08:22.319 say, all right, it's like a handshake. I understand. I got 107 00:08:22.360 --> 00:08:26.120 it. Thank you very much. So you see what people don't know about 108 00:08:26.120 --> 00:08:31.000 a person like me, or perhaps you, They don't know when I'm interviewing 109 00:08:31.080 --> 00:08:35.279 you, I might be testing the waters with a few of my own bag 110 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:39.120 of tricks, just to see if you're a BS and me if you are 111 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:43.519 who you say you are. And I'm not trying to be tricky or sneaky, 112 00:08:45.080 --> 00:08:48.159 but it's just my nature. I'm not just going to accept anything. 113 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:54.919 You mentioned something about that guy's story about him believing that these things might be 114 00:08:54.000 --> 00:08:58.039 responsible for taking some of the people that go missing, and that they're out 115 00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:01.840 there looking for that's clearly some than that. David Plaides has went down the 116 00:09:01.919 --> 00:09:05.200 road on with his Missing four one one. There's tons of people. Wayne 117 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:07.080 and I just did a podcast about it over on our other show, that 118 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:11.000 Bigfoot Podcast yesterday. We recorded it as we record this, it'll be out 119 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:16.480 tomorrow talking about some of these dog man attacks and other things across the country 120 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:20.440 that are killing these people and taking people. I am not one of these 121 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:24.080 people that believes that every sasquatch is out there that's bloodthirsty and wants to tear 122 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:28.639 people apart. But if these things are animals, like I believe they are, 123 00:09:28.679 --> 00:09:31.200 I believe there's some sort of a giant eight. They can get pissed 124 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:35.840 off, just like people. There can be bad apples and bad actors. 125 00:09:35.879 --> 00:09:39.240 So I have always believed that at least on some level, if these people 126 00:09:39.279 --> 00:09:43.759 are disappearing way out in the middle of freaking nowhere in the back bush. 127 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:46.480 There's got to be an explanation. It's either a big cat taking them, 128 00:09:46.519 --> 00:09:50.120 it's a bear. It's something bigger than them and badder than them that's taking 129 00:09:50.159 --> 00:09:56.279 them, and Sasquatch is definitely one of those things in the woods. Let's 130 00:09:56.320 --> 00:09:58.559 talk a little bit about that, what he might have told you, and 131 00:09:58.600 --> 00:10:01.639 what you believe about that. Do you believe that's the case that they are 132 00:10:01.679 --> 00:10:05.639 responsible for some of these folks that go missing in the woods. There's absolutely 133 00:10:05.679 --> 00:10:11.240 no doubt in my mind. The simplicity of my logic is this, if 134 00:10:11.240 --> 00:10:16.600 you run into a dog walking around out in the street, well wherever in 135 00:10:16.639 --> 00:10:22.720 your neighborhood you're approaching that dog walking or on your bicycle, you don't know 136 00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:26.840 what that dog's gonna do. When I was a paper boy, the dogs 137 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:30.600 used to come out. Some of them would wag their tail they knew I 138 00:10:30.639 --> 00:10:33.080 would pet them. And then there was a couple of dogs that didn't matter 139 00:10:33.159 --> 00:10:37.159 what day of the week it was, they were going to try to rip 140 00:10:37.240 --> 00:10:43.039 you a new ass when they could. I said to myself, you have 141 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:50.159 no idea the disposition of this animal out in the woods and how it feels 142 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:56.080 at any given moment. About you or anybody else. And you're a fool 143 00:10:56.240 --> 00:11:01.720 if you take the stand that all their harm homeless woodland creatures. What do 144 00:11:01.799 --> 00:11:03.840 you base that on just because you like the way they look or you feel 145 00:11:03.840 --> 00:11:11.600 good about them. That's nonsense. Stay away, harry a freaking bosuka if 146 00:11:11.639 --> 00:11:15.799 you can. But you gotta be kidding me. I have a freaking samurai 147 00:11:16.080 --> 00:11:20.639 sword lying next to my bed over here. You come into my house, 148 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:24.039 you'll get in the business end of that sword. If I didn't invite you. 149 00:11:24.519 --> 00:11:28.440 I'm going to approach an animal in the woods the same way. I 150 00:11:28.480 --> 00:11:33.039 want a shotgun, I want a large board pistol, and I want a 151 00:11:33.080 --> 00:11:37.320 big freaking knife, and I'm gonna give you all of them if you ask 152 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:43.320 me for it. I just put an account in my volume twelve, which 153 00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:48.200 I'm working on right now. This fellow was a mountain biker in Colorado. 154 00:11:48.759 --> 00:11:52.799 Now we have mountain bikers around me, but these guys are riding on relatively 155 00:11:52.919 --> 00:11:58.679 flat trails through the pine barrens. This cat is going up on hills, 156 00:11:58.799 --> 00:12:03.360 cliffs, jumping off rocks. These guys are really at it mountain bike. 157 00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:09.519 He says, he's coming down one of the trails one day solo and he 158 00:12:09.679 --> 00:12:15.440 finds a helmet, stops, picks the helmet up. Inside was dried blood, 159 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:20.720 no harm, no foul. He figures some dude crashed, busted his 160 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:24.559 freaking head, left the helmet there, got out of there, and that 161 00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:26.879 was the end of it. Not so fast, a little bit of time 162 00:12:26.919 --> 00:12:33.039 goes by. He finds a bicycle and the bicycle was damaged, but he 163 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:37.960 said, this was an expensive bike, thousands of dollars. The chain was 164 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:41.919 all rusted. It had evidently been left out there for quite a while. 165 00:12:43.480 --> 00:12:48.840 And he said, it doesn't make sense even if you crashed out, would 166 00:12:48.840 --> 00:12:56.840 you not somehow, some way have a friend or a fellow rider or somebody 167 00:12:56.320 --> 00:13:01.000 go back and get this bike. That's where to three grand I would, 168 00:13:01.519 --> 00:13:05.759 And he's saying I would too. So now fist forward. He's in the 169 00:13:05.879 --> 00:13:11.159 similar area, and he wears the same helmet on his mountain bike that he 170 00:13:11.240 --> 00:13:16.440 wears when he's riding on the road bike. So if you've seen him, 171 00:13:16.840 --> 00:13:20.279 one of those helmets put the little dental mirror hanging out of the side so 172 00:13:20.320 --> 00:13:24.639 they could see the cars coming up behind him. He's riding down the trail 173 00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:31.320 and he catches a glimpse in this one inch wide mirror of a sasquatch stepping 174 00:13:31.399 --> 00:13:35.720 out behind him on the trail as he's rolling along, and that was all 175 00:13:35.759 --> 00:13:41.279 he needed to see on the pedals overdrive. If I died, but I'm 176 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:46.159 not dying for lack of try it. Nothing happened. But he saw this 177 00:13:46.279 --> 00:13:52.360 thing and it was coming up behind him. So what do you say about 178 00:13:52.360 --> 00:13:56.039 that this thing was observing him? These creatures are looking, they see, 179 00:13:56.080 --> 00:14:01.960 they're stalking, they're hungry. You know, what if these creatures have some 180 00:14:01.039 --> 00:14:07.039 type of abnormal animal mental illness. What if they're just not normal aside from 181 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:13.200 just being a wild creature. Animals fight amongst themselves, just over territory to 182 00:14:13.240 --> 00:14:18.200 the death. So who's to say what one of these things would do to 183 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:20.519 you or I if we caught them on a certain day, in a certain 184 00:14:20.559 --> 00:14:26.240 location, at a certain time of the year. There is absolutely no way 185 00:14:26.840 --> 00:14:33.440 of predisposing what will happen. It's an impossibility. I saw you on with 186 00:14:33.559 --> 00:14:37.960 Doug and Alex. I think it was last year. I just interviewed Adam 187 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:41.759 Cole. That show has not aired over here, but Adam was literally out 188 00:14:41.799 --> 00:14:43.440 on a thirty day camp out. When you guys were talking to him and 189 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:46.519 he was broadcasting live into the show that you did with Doug and Alex. 190 00:14:46.759 --> 00:14:50.840 And there was another guy, I believe it was Minnesota Bigfoot. He was 191 00:14:50.840 --> 00:14:52.480 a big, hulking dude with big arms. He looked like he'd never missed 192 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:56.799 the day in the gym. One of the things that really made me fall 193 00:14:56.840 --> 00:14:58.480 in love with you immediately was the way you talked to this guy. You 194 00:14:58.480 --> 00:15:01.320 were like, do you have a gun? Dude? Like what you have? 195 00:15:01.399 --> 00:15:05.399 Bear spray and a knife and you're in the middle of the freaking nowhere 196 00:15:05.960 --> 00:15:09.039 for thirty days. That's just dumb dude. And I love Adam. He's 197 00:15:09.039 --> 00:15:13.440 a great guy. He did survive ladies and gentlemen. He didn't make it 198 00:15:13.480 --> 00:15:16.159 out. But the other guy that spoke up, and I'm sorry I don't 199 00:15:16.159 --> 00:15:20.679 remember his name, but it was Minnesota Bigfoot, some organization he was with. 200 00:15:20.799 --> 00:15:22.879 He said, I don't take a gun out with me, but I 201 00:15:22.919 --> 00:15:26.679 believe if you go out into the woods and you put out positive energy and 202 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:30.159 you let these things know that you're not there to harm them, and I 203 00:15:30.159 --> 00:15:33.879 think you're gonna get that in return. I just remember looking at that episode 204 00:15:33.879 --> 00:15:35.440 and listening to what it was saying. And he's not the only person I've 205 00:15:35.440 --> 00:15:39.559 ever talked to that takes that stance. I'm thinking, dude, there's bear 206 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:43.639 on my property here in North Carolina. I go out with a gun because 207 00:15:43.639 --> 00:15:46.799 we've ran into a sow and two cubs on the property about three years ago. 208 00:15:48.399 --> 00:15:52.279 I don't think any positive affirmations or positive energy I could have put out 209 00:15:52.279 --> 00:15:54.639 towards her would have stopped her from killing me if she had wanted to. 210 00:15:56.200 --> 00:15:58.879 That's right, And I don't think it's the same thing with Bigfoot. I 211 00:15:58.879 --> 00:16:00.600 hear that from a lot of people. They think they're friendly forest giants, 212 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:04.159 and oh, if you put that out there and you get good energy, 213 00:16:04.279 --> 00:16:08.360 sure, dogs can pick up on good energy. People can pick up on 214 00:16:08.559 --> 00:16:11.879 energy. These things pick up on energy as well, I'm sure. But 215 00:16:11.960 --> 00:16:15.840 I don't think you're going in with a positive attitude and just tell them, 216 00:16:15.879 --> 00:16:18.720 hey, big guy, I'm just here to observe. Is not going to 217 00:16:18.759 --> 00:16:19.879 work if they want to tear you from limb to limb. That's just my 218 00:16:19.919 --> 00:16:25.440 personal opinion about it. Yeah. Now, back in the sixties seventies, 219 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:29.360 we used to say I got a good vibe, right, you went to 220 00:16:29.399 --> 00:16:33.200 a party, you introduced to some girl, you'd say, I get a 221 00:16:33.240 --> 00:16:37.440 good vibe from that chick. In the same token, there were times when 222 00:16:37.480 --> 00:16:42.320 he said no, and I don't think so. You didn't even have to 223 00:16:42.399 --> 00:16:48.000 say anything to anybody, But even if you kept it to yourself, you 224 00:16:48.080 --> 00:16:53.600 knew what you've felt. And I take the stand that in today's modern days 225 00:16:53.639 --> 00:17:02.399 and times, particularly in more suburban or urban settings, people are so disconnected 226 00:17:03.240 --> 00:17:12.200 from that god given innert sense of knowing when it's time to arm load your 227 00:17:12.279 --> 00:17:19.440 musket brother, because something's freaking coming. We could go forward from that and 228 00:17:19.640 --> 00:17:26.000 just say to myself, if you think something is wrong, it probably is. 229 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:30.319 You don't need to wait to prove it out. Get out of there, 230 00:17:30.039 --> 00:17:37.160 get out of the freaking woods, immediately retreat. He who fights and 231 00:17:37.240 --> 00:17:41.920 runs away lives to fight another day. I definitely agree. I know you've 232 00:17:41.000 --> 00:17:45.039 documented tons of stories people have shared their experiences with you. Are there any 233 00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:48.279 that stick out? And I know this is a tough question. I'm four 234 00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:51.599 hundred plus episodes in on my show, so people ask me this and put 235 00:17:51.599 --> 00:17:53.119 me on the spot, and I can't ever think of one story that sticks 236 00:17:53.119 --> 00:17:57.839 out. But are there some that were maybe more aggressive or violent encounters that 237 00:17:57.880 --> 00:18:03.079 people have shared with you that you can share with the audience. There's so 238 00:18:03.279 --> 00:18:06.880 many, Like for instance, when I was on Coast to Coast a month 239 00:18:06.920 --> 00:18:11.839 ago, I shared the Mount Rose night trail encounter, which is what I 240 00:18:11.960 --> 00:18:17.319 named this simply because these two guys regularly hiked together. They have hiked Mount 241 00:18:17.400 --> 00:18:22.079 Rows numerous times together, and their gig was getting up to altitude in the 242 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:26.599 middle of the night on a nice night and just crashing under the stars for 243 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:30.640 an hour and looking at the sky and the scenery and the distance and stuff. 244 00:18:30.680 --> 00:18:34.160 In the middle of the night, people just do what they're gonna do. 245 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:40.480 You know. They were coming back down this trail had a lot of 246 00:18:40.559 --> 00:18:45.000 switchbacks. Some places you had to climb hand and foot. But this is 247 00:18:45.039 --> 00:18:51.720 not necessarily an easy going hike. When they were coming back, the mountain 248 00:18:51.839 --> 00:18:56.359 side fell away where there were trees and dirt visible even in the moonlight, 249 00:18:57.039 --> 00:19:03.480 and they saw something go by between some of these trees, and one had 250 00:19:03.519 --> 00:19:07.119 said to the other, now they start hearing like gravel like falling away, 251 00:19:07.759 --> 00:19:11.640 and they're like, something's freaking down there, man, This thing is like 252 00:19:11.720 --> 00:19:15.599 flanking us. So hanging around out there. Short while later they found out 253 00:19:15.599 --> 00:19:19.319 what it was because they came into a straight run on the trail that was 254 00:19:19.359 --> 00:19:23.599 like about one hundred and fifty feet long, and standing in front of them 255 00:19:23.720 --> 00:19:30.200 with red eyes by the way, that he said were about ten feet from 256 00:19:30.240 --> 00:19:37.079 the ground surface, was this silhouette right in the trail looking at them where 257 00:19:37.119 --> 00:19:41.119 they want walk. The one was ahead of the other one walking single file. 258 00:19:41.599 --> 00:19:47.839 They had ski poles that they used as walking sticks. The guy up 259 00:19:47.880 --> 00:19:52.000 front didn't know the dude in the back had just picked up a rock and 260 00:19:52.319 --> 00:19:56.640 threw it at this thing. It took about two seconds for this thing to 261 00:19:56.799 --> 00:20:03.759 let out our freaking screw raw and they turned and started going back up the 262 00:20:03.839 --> 00:20:10.720 trail in the unison. That lasted about five seconds. And the guy who 263 00:20:10.799 --> 00:20:12.559 was now in the rear, who didn't know the guy behind him through the 264 00:20:12.680 --> 00:20:18.960 rock, screamed, And when he turned around, his buddy was laying on 265 00:20:18.039 --> 00:20:23.039 his back on the ground with his backpack, the aluminum frame, the whole 266 00:20:23.200 --> 00:20:29.960 nine yards on the ground, and this thing was howling over him. He's 267 00:20:30.279 --> 00:20:33.119 dead meat, you know what I mean. He already knocked him on the 268 00:20:33.119 --> 00:20:38.440 ground. He took his ski pole and flung it at this thing over his 269 00:20:38.480 --> 00:20:42.519 buddy, just like a whirligig. It was the only thing he could think 270 00:20:42.559 --> 00:20:48.000 of to do. He believes to point the end of the skiphole speared this 271 00:20:48.079 --> 00:20:52.680 thing right in or around its eye because it put both hands up to the 272 00:20:52.799 --> 00:20:57.519 face, was like screaming and groaning, and actually lost its balance and fell 273 00:20:57.559 --> 00:21:03.880 off the side of the trail. So he ran over to his friend tried 274 00:21:03.920 --> 00:21:07.079 to pick him up. He thought his arm was broken. It turned out 275 00:21:07.079 --> 00:21:10.920 as clavicle was broken, and he said, man, you got to get 276 00:21:11.039 --> 00:21:15.519 up. This freaking thing will kill us. So he helped him to his 277 00:21:15.559 --> 00:21:18.400 feet. They got off the trail, but that was an actual attack, 278 00:21:19.119 --> 00:21:23.319 and they could hear this thing scream and when they made their way down off 279 00:21:23.359 --> 00:21:29.359 a mount rose the whole time. Why did this thing flank them? Why 280 00:21:29.559 --> 00:21:34.400 was it blocking their way? What was the intention of this thing? You 281 00:21:34.519 --> 00:21:37.960 have to say, I don't think you'd wanted to have a little body with 282 00:21:38.039 --> 00:21:42.759 them on the mountain side. Nothing makes sense about that other than it wanted 283 00:21:42.799 --> 00:21:48.240 to either, I hate to say, interact with them. You don't know. 284 00:21:48.759 --> 00:21:52.160 But what we do know is when the guy hated with a rock, 285 00:21:52.319 --> 00:21:55.440 it was game on, do me this favor. I wanted to hear this 286 00:21:55.599 --> 00:21:57.960 entire story. You told a little bit about Kelly's story from Oregon. Do 287 00:21:59.039 --> 00:22:03.440 you mind regaling us with Kelly's story? He had a pretty intense experience. 288 00:22:03.440 --> 00:22:07.079 I think he was attacked in a trailer or something. I heard you say. 289 00:22:07.160 --> 00:22:11.240 Would you mind recounting that story for us? What happened with Kelly was 290 00:22:12.039 --> 00:22:18.039 Now here's how things are interconnected. I learned of Kelly through my friend Dave. 291 00:22:18.920 --> 00:22:23.599 Dave is a logger, Kelly is alignment. But they know each other, 292 00:22:23.680 --> 00:22:27.720 their buddies in Oregon. They'd very handy guys. They build their own 293 00:22:27.799 --> 00:22:32.599 houses. Aside from being a logger, Dave builds his own boats. These 294 00:22:32.599 --> 00:22:36.599 guys are freaking incredible. So Dave turns me on too. Kelly. Mind 295 00:22:36.640 --> 00:22:44.319 you, Dave had said several encounters solo and with his logging crew all around 296 00:22:44.359 --> 00:22:51.480 the salmon Berry Canyon in Oregon, logging in that area for decades. He 297 00:22:51.559 --> 00:22:56.039 turned me on to Kelly, who was his friend who was the first to 298 00:22:56.279 --> 00:23:03.680 have an encounter in like the nineteen eighties in the Salmonberry Canyon. Now, 299 00:23:03.720 --> 00:23:07.839 when you talk about people who were out of touch with what other people do 300 00:23:07.920 --> 00:23:12.279 around the country, Kelly and somebody he knew. In the late summer and 301 00:23:12.359 --> 00:23:19.839 fall of the year, were going into this location to harvest Christmas tree boughs 302 00:23:21.519 --> 00:23:26.359 for use during the holiday season. They were weigh in on this logging road 303 00:23:26.839 --> 00:23:30.119 to be in the area they wanted to be, and Kelly had brought his 304 00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:34.279 trailer in there. The other guy who was with him was going in and 305 00:23:34.319 --> 00:23:38.079 out on the weekends. Kelly said he never went out unless he needed supplies 306 00:23:38.200 --> 00:23:45.599 or just wanted to take a good shower. They were bundling bows into four 307 00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:51.640 hundred pound bales and having them helicoptered out of there. You want to talk 308 00:23:51.720 --> 00:23:56.000 about an ingenious way to make a buck. Who the heck does that? 309 00:23:56.880 --> 00:24:02.279 But that's what they were doing. So Kelly had a dog. The dog 310 00:24:02.440 --> 00:24:06.240 used to stick really close to the trunk of the trees when he was up 311 00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:08.759 and them cutting. He was smart enough to know how to stay out of 312 00:24:08.799 --> 00:24:12.839 the drops on when the branches were coming down. And Kelly said, this 313 00:24:12.920 --> 00:24:18.880 dog started to act very funny after a while, and he took note of 314 00:24:18.960 --> 00:24:21.799 it. But you get used to your pet. It's just him and her 315 00:24:21.880 --> 00:24:23.400 out there. The other guy, even when he was there, they weren't 316 00:24:23.440 --> 00:24:26.960 next to each other. They were working different areas, so he's got this 317 00:24:27.039 --> 00:24:32.000 trailer. He said. There was a watering hole there what they call it, 318 00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:37.960 like a fire pond, something like that. They deliberately put this pond 319 00:24:37.039 --> 00:24:41.160 there in case there was a forest fire. There was a little reserve in 320 00:24:41.240 --> 00:24:47.599 there that the fire guys knew about. He was in his trailer and this 321 00:24:47.680 --> 00:24:53.279 thing started coming around the trailer, scratching it, pounding on it. It 322 00:24:53.359 --> 00:24:59.000 freaked him out so bad that he hit the floor in the trailer. He 323 00:24:59.079 --> 00:25:03.920 had spent the last weekend at his house and left his three fifty seven on 324 00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:08.559 the table after cleaning it. So he's in the trailer. His dog was 325 00:25:08.680 --> 00:25:14.200 left home, his gun is at his house, and he's sitting there with 326 00:25:14.279 --> 00:25:19.039 this little fricking pigsticker with something bashing the side of his trailer that he's in. 327 00:25:19.720 --> 00:25:22.400 After a period of time, he made a bus for it, out 328 00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:27.640 of the door and ran for his truck. He went out. He drove 329 00:25:27.720 --> 00:25:33.240 around a little bit. He spent the night sleeping in the truck down the 330 00:25:33.319 --> 00:25:37.160 road a couple of miles, and came back in the morning. He found 331 00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:41.240 a trail going up through the grass in his field that his trailer was in. 332 00:25:41.920 --> 00:25:47.160 Going around the trailer, the matted down grass and whatnot, and then 333 00:25:47.319 --> 00:25:51.960 up and away from it. That was his encounter. He didn't see anything, 334 00:25:52.759 --> 00:25:56.680 and he was left with saying, what the hell was that? This 335 00:25:56.799 --> 00:26:00.480 wasn't a bear, it wasn't a cougar. So that was the beginning. 336 00:26:00.559 --> 00:26:07.240 Now, Dave later in the salmon bery, he's driving his log truck in 337 00:26:07.319 --> 00:26:11.119 the middle of the night, twenty five mile road in and out of this 338 00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:17.039 logging section. I've seen pictures of it. I've seen pictures of trucks that 339 00:26:17.119 --> 00:26:19.599 flipped off the side, and he can't believe what these guys take on doing 340 00:26:19.640 --> 00:26:26.119 this work. He pulls off to this old siding to take a dump in 341 00:26:26.200 --> 00:26:29.839 the woods. He gets out of his truck, he goes down into this 342 00:26:29.880 --> 00:26:34.599 little hollow and while he's squatting down in the middle of his business, he's 343 00:26:34.640 --> 00:26:40.359 looking at a beam of sunlight coming through the canopy that's illuminating what he thinks 344 00:26:40.440 --> 00:26:45.160 is a stump. All of a sudden, the stump stands up and stay 345 00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:52.000 tuned for more sasquatch outa sy wearing right back after these messages, and he's 346 00:26:52.039 --> 00:26:57.079 in the middle of his business watching this happen. Very close to him. 347 00:26:57.640 --> 00:27:02.960 This thing stood up, walked his way up the other side of this hollow, 348 00:27:03.319 --> 00:27:07.000 and was gone. Fast forward weeks later, and I won't tell you 349 00:27:07.000 --> 00:27:10.880 the whole story, because we could spend twenty minutes just talking about it. 350 00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:15.119 He's coming down the road in the middle of the night, and his headlights 351 00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:18.039 are passing through the trees. As he's moving around these turns on this road, 352 00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:22.000 the headlights hit this black and gray. He said, it was the 353 00:27:22.079 --> 00:27:27.319 biggest silver backed gorilla I had ever seen in my life, and it was 354 00:27:27.440 --> 00:27:33.000 frozen, hands against a tree trunk like it knew it had been hit by 355 00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:37.319 the lights and just stayed still. He knew what he saw. And it 356 00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:42.759 was weeks later that the same creature, or a similar creature black and silver 357 00:27:42.920 --> 00:27:48.799 or black and gray, appeared on the work site, and everybody on the 358 00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:56.000 logging crew store it. So Dave had never mentioned anything to his coworkers about 359 00:27:56.039 --> 00:28:00.079 the thing where he was taking care of business, or having seen this in 360 00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:07.640 the headlights, but now all of them had seen it. Now, these 361 00:28:07.720 --> 00:28:11.559 dudes they periodically, I want to say regularly, but regularly, I'm not 362 00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:18.799 leading to believe this is every week. They regularly find tracks around their work 363 00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:25.960 areas in Oregon. I've seen pictures of tracks measured out. I have no 364 00:28:26.079 --> 00:28:32.240 reason to disbelieve these guys whatsoever. And they're just one of two individuals out 365 00:28:32.240 --> 00:28:37.119 of hundreds. Again, I have no reason to distrust them to disbelieve. 366 00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:42.200 They could easily say to me, Hey, Bill, you're full of crap. 367 00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:48.960 I've had angelic incounters, UFO counters. I know what happened to me. 368 00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:53.279 It doesn't matter to me at all if you believe me or think I'm 369 00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:59.039 a complete nutcase. Either way is okay with me, and I just live 370 00:28:59.119 --> 00:29:03.599 with it. I stand my ground in that if I say Brian is full 371 00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:07.920 of crap, that Brian can just say you're full of crap and we just 372 00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:12.680 go back and forth in the spitting match with no end in sight. I 373 00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:18.519 look for that trust, that inert feeling that this guy is on the level, 374 00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:22.160 and sometimes I can prove it out. It's like the Biblical narrative, 375 00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:27.039 in the mouth of two or three witnesses, let every accusation be established two 376 00:29:27.079 --> 00:29:30.680 witnesses is really good in my book. I'll pick the word of a witness. 377 00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:33.880 But when I get two people climbing on the bandwagon, that don't know 378 00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:40.000 each other. Like that thing about the story of the loggers declaring that place 379 00:29:40.039 --> 00:29:44.519 and no goes on. If the finding that yurk and dismembered animals, I'm 380 00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:48.240 pretty good with that. I don't need anything else. Let's talk a little 381 00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:49.720 bit about the opposite of that, because that's one of the things I think 382 00:29:49.759 --> 00:29:55.839 everybody like you and I who do shows and write books and document these kind 383 00:29:55.839 --> 00:30:02.799 of encounters, you run across those stories that are just so far out there 384 00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:07.079 it's very difficult to believe. Just a couple of quick examples. I had 385 00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:10.519 a guy on months and months ago who claimed that back when he was in 386 00:30:10.519 --> 00:30:12.759 his late teens early twenties, on the camping trip with some boy scouts, 387 00:30:12.839 --> 00:30:17.799 he had sex with the female sasquatch. Wayne and I have talked about this 388 00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:22.400 story about this lady who was she was raped in the woods by a sasquatch 389 00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:26.319 is what she's claiming, and had Sasquatch's baby. You get some of those 390 00:30:26.440 --> 00:30:30.599 really out there stories. There are people's experiences, and I've said it all 391 00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:33.319 the time, I don't judge people for their experiences on the show. That's 392 00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:37.720 the premise of this show. Your experiences are your experiences. This is a 393 00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:42.920 judgment free zone for you documenting some of these stories. Hey, have you 394 00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:47.359 heard some of those really out there stories? How do you deal with those 395 00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:49.039 and sust those out? When you're taking those stories? How do you suss 396 00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:53.200 that out as an investigator in someone documenting it? How do you feel about 397 00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:56.799 some of the more out there stories that you had people tell you in the 398 00:30:56.839 --> 00:30:59.759 past. I'll tell you straight up, man, this guy that says he 399 00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:03.839 had sex with a female sasquatch, that boy ain't right. Number two. 400 00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:10.240 I have a fellow up in Alberta who has been hot on the trail with 401 00:31:10.519 --> 00:31:14.640 sasquatch for years, and I talked to him on a somewhat regular basis. 402 00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:18.559 He's in touch with a lot of indigenous people up there that know what he's 403 00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:25.240 doing, and people feed him with information. He did have one incident where 404 00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:32.400 some of the local people caught at this sasquatch who had grabbed this girl and 405 00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:36.640 took her off the side of the road into the woods. After the fact, 406 00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:41.039 she said this thing was like fondling her and snipping her hair and stuff. 407 00:31:41.720 --> 00:31:47.279 Some other people saw what had happened and stood up and shoed this thing 408 00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:52.839 off. Now, weasel which is how I know this guy. Weasel said 409 00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:56.799 to me, it's his opinion that when it's that time of the month, 410 00:31:57.839 --> 00:32:02.160 just like with deer, bucks will come after a female that is in heat, 411 00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:07.720 a human female. He believes that they are enticed by that same thing, 412 00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:14.880 and that you need to keep an eye on yourself and be aware of 413 00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:22.920 that when you're entering into the woods and you're inexperienced a naive about how things 414 00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:29.319 in nature may work or against you. So I'm not open and shut on 415 00:32:29.359 --> 00:32:32.319 that. Weaesel told me what he told me. I'm like, yeah, 416 00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:37.599 take it with a grain of salt. But Weasel has sent me some incredible 417 00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:43.160 photographs. He sent me a picture of a pila dung one day that he 418 00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:49.000 said was from a sasquatch. Now, I'm gonna tell you something about Weasel, 419 00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:52.960 and a lot of people are gonna listen to this. Weasel steaks out 420 00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:59.480 a couple of dumps. I'm cooking garbage stumps, and the dump sites are 421 00:32:59.480 --> 00:33:05.359 about fifty miles apart up in Canada. He sets up tree stands and spends 422 00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:09.640 overnights watching the dumps, and he says a lot of bears come into the 423 00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:16.160 dumps, rummaging around. He has sasquatch coming into the dump. He took 424 00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:21.359 a picture of this pile of poo, and inside of the pile of poo 425 00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:25.680 was a long strand of red plastic beads. And he said to me, 426 00:33:27.400 --> 00:33:30.559 and I'm gonna mimic him to make you laugh a little bit. He says 427 00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:36.240 to me, been looking at his dumbass. He thinks he's eating berries their 428 00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:40.519 plastic beads. When I'm laughing with him, but he's right. This animal, 429 00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:45.880 if it was from a sasquatch, is rummaging through this garbage site. 430 00:33:46.519 --> 00:33:51.799 Maybe thinks she's looking at berries, the cherries. I don't know when he's 431 00:33:51.799 --> 00:33:55.400 freaking sticking it in his room. Now, I'll tell you this look back 432 00:33:55.440 --> 00:34:00.480 to day for a second. After he had sighted the creature taking a dump, 433 00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:07.240 Dave ran across the pilot dung in the middle of this road that only 434 00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:10.320 one truck could pass at a time, and he had been off the side 435 00:34:10.360 --> 00:34:15.039 of the road on radio, allowing this pickup truck to come through before he 436 00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:22.320 went. It wasn't even ten minutes time between the two of them sharing the 437 00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:25.119 same road. He sees something in front of his truck that looks like a 438 00:34:25.159 --> 00:34:29.199 big boulder, and he's thinking maybe it fell off the cliff base and he 439 00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:36.320 stopped. There was a mammoth size pile of dung right in the tire track 440 00:34:36.639 --> 00:34:42.039 that the pickup truck had just left going through before him. In the pilot 441 00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:49.679 dung was a full size rat that hadn't even been digested, that had been 442 00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:54.719 expelled from whatever dropped this load off. If he got my adrift, there 443 00:34:54.760 --> 00:35:00.000 are weird things going on out And like I said, Dave is no man, 444 00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:04.320 and I don't take Weasel to be a fool either. He's a guide. 445 00:35:05.159 --> 00:35:08.480 He sent me pictures of him guiding some very well known people where he's 446 00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:13.159 in the group and they're in the cabin. He knows what he's doing. 447 00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:16.119 He may seem a little odd to some people, especially when he says you 448 00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:20.599 could call me weasel. I don't know of anybody I want anybody to call 449 00:35:20.679 --> 00:35:23.880 me weasel. But this is the life he leads, and he's convinced that 450 00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:30.320 he's gonna find skeletal remains of a bigfoot and set the world on find. 451 00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:37.239 But that's the Weasel. It keeps things interesting and occasionally we talk and who 452 00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:42.519 knows what this guy's gonna come up. But it's also the nature of this 453 00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:47.039 business. It is a lot of weirdness going on in here. And in 454 00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:52.519 the middle of all of this weirdness, there was a great quote in one 455 00:35:52.559 --> 00:36:00.119 of Sherlock Holmes series, and Watson was questioning Holmes, and obviously this came 456 00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:06.559 from Sarrothur Conan Doyle, not Charlocke Holmes, and he said, Watson, 457 00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:13.519 after you have eliminated everything that is not true, no matter how strange it 458 00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:19.840 may seem, whatever is left must be the truth. And I'd love that 459 00:36:20.840 --> 00:36:30.199 because once you've grubbed everything that you know to be beloney, whatever you're left 460 00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:36.280 with, as bizarre as it may seem, must be the truth, because 461 00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:39.559 after all, this was the result of that. In those cases, it 462 00:36:39.639 --> 00:36:45.119 was usually a murder, right Charlock Holmes, a robbery, a jewel theft, 463 00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:49.320 So you knew there was a result. The you knew there was an 464 00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:53.000 end to the game. The question was what was the game and who perpetrated 465 00:36:53.840 --> 00:36:58.920 I look at sundsquatching this way. You're not reading their minds, you're not 466 00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:02.360 getting directly in to their world. We're observers, we're not experts. There 467 00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:09.039 are no freaking experts. We are observers, we are sharing information, we're 468 00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:14.920 talking with people. Let's take him my friend Jerry Court, right, Jerry, 469 00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:16.239 if you're listening to this, God bless you, bro, and I'm 470 00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:22.239 praying for swift healing field. Jerry's in a bad way right now. Jerry 471 00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:27.920 was a bush pilot in Alaska. He used to regularly fly between Juno and 472 00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:32.519 Saskatchewan along the Linn Canal or over the Mendenhall Glacier. On this route, 473 00:37:32.920 --> 00:37:37.360 he picked up these native people one day, which are very common. There's 474 00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:42.000 no way to get around up there. They wanted to fly over the Lynn 475 00:37:42.039 --> 00:37:45.840 Canal because they wanted to see if there are any orcas in there. And 476 00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:49.679 Jerry said, I just came from Saskatchewan this morning on a mail run and 477 00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:52.719 there's no orca in the canal. So he decided to take them up over 478 00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:58.360 the menden Hall and come to Saskatchewan this other way. He gets out over 479 00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:01.639 the glacier with a few people in his plane and a baby on one woman's 480 00:38:01.760 --> 00:38:08.159 lap. He said he was now outside of the habitable zone, about thirty 481 00:38:08.199 --> 00:38:14.119 miles out. Even people on snow machines wouldn't be out there, and he 482 00:38:14.239 --> 00:38:20.079 picks up on a track line. Now he's looking. He's not saying anything 483 00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:22.920 to the people in the plane, but they also have to maintain a certain 484 00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:29.840 altitude out there, because you're already at elevation flying along the glacier, which 485 00:38:29.920 --> 00:38:32.559 is falling away from a mountain slope. The idea of being if you had 486 00:38:32.559 --> 00:38:37.639 an engine failure and you were too low to the ground, you couldn't even 487 00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:42.280 have an opportunity to make it to a potentially safe place where you can put 488 00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:45.599 the bird down. He starts to see this track line outside of the thirty 489 00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:51.719 mile more and he's following it. He drops altitude a little bit, and 490 00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:57.159 he's realizing that these are linear footprints. They look like somebody had laid them 491 00:38:57.159 --> 00:39:00.480 down with big snow shoes. But nobody's out there those shoes unless you're gonna 492 00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:07.159 die. He comes up on a group of sasquatch traveling along the glacier, 493 00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:10.840 and he said to me, damn, if I didn't have passengers with me 494 00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:15.559 this one day, I would have gone down on him and buzzed them. 495 00:39:16.039 --> 00:39:21.760 There's a little more to the story than that. But he told me that 496 00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:28.119 the governmental people and scientific community over there that do core samples on the glacier 497 00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:31.039 and whatnot are aware of these things, and some of them are of the 498 00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:37.480 belief that they are actually traveling out of the Canadian side across the glacier to 499 00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:42.440 go down to the Lynn Canal when the salmon run is on. This is 500 00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:49.920 an opinion. But you don't hear any of this stuff from anybody in mainstream 501 00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:55.400 media on the news. This is all local stuff that is contained in a 502 00:39:55.440 --> 00:40:01.079 certain sphere of individuals who are in the nu or know somebody who was in 503 00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:07.960 the know. These things are happening with regularity in many diverse locations with a 504 00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:14.440 lot of different people that we will never hear about. I'm gonna show you 505 00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:17.559 some I brought this today. Can you see this what I'm holding here? 506 00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:22.480 Yes? Okay, this is a really big map. If I unfold this 507 00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:28.119 whole thing is three feet by five feet front and back. Can you see 508 00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:35.079 what it says here? Evasion chart EVC. Tringer Stash zero two a training 509 00:40:35.199 --> 00:40:40.320 chart, fourth edition, October two thousand and seven. This is from the 510 00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:46.960 Air Force Special Training and Survival Grounds in Washington States. This was given to 511 00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:51.840 me by a lifer in the military who had it given to him by a 512 00:40:51.880 --> 00:40:57.440 Special Forces operative in the corner of this map, which is nothing like any 513 00:40:57.559 --> 00:41:00.920 map you've ever seen in your life. It's not a road map. It 514 00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:07.360 doesn't show you any roads, it doesn't mark cities. It's strictly used for 515 00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:13.880 learning how to use a compass, celestial navigation, survive off the land, 516 00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:19.159 which is what it's all about. Now, there are four locations in Washington 517 00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:22.920 State where they trained survival. The mountain zone, the desert zone, the 518 00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:28.920 coastal zone, and there's one other area in the corner of this map. 519 00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:34.519 I want you to look at this. Do you see what that says dangerous 520 00:41:34.599 --> 00:41:39.320 animals? You see what The first animal on the list is a cougar right 521 00:41:39.559 --> 00:41:46.119 now watch this. See the next animal moose, badger, black bear, 522 00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:53.239 coyote. Oh, and I see a bobcat and a sasquatch. Yes, 523 00:41:53.320 --> 00:42:00.719 sirree, this is an official military map. I think it's made out of 524 00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:07.079 tivek and I believe that probably somebody like DuPont made this up in the military, 525 00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:12.119 probably in the sixties, for their use, and then it showed up 526 00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:15.719 on Bob Vela's this old house where they were using it as house wrap. 527 00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:21.679 You could throw this freaking map in your swimming pool for ten years and pull 528 00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:24.840 it out. The water will not bleed the ink and it will not be 529 00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:31.920 damaged. Now, what the freak is a sasquatch doing on a military training 530 00:42:32.119 --> 00:42:37.960 map. They don't fool around about anything. There are no jokes in the 531 00:42:38.039 --> 00:42:44.920 military. It's a matter of defend, attack and preserve the integrity of life 532 00:42:44.920 --> 00:42:47.880 of you and your men. You're not goofing around with these guys showing them 533 00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:52.119 this picture because it's not there. You're showing them it's there because you want 534 00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:57.440 to warn them that this thing could kill you. Now, I know of 535 00:42:57.519 --> 00:43:00.159 a guy who was in on one of these meetings. You have to consider 536 00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:05.159 how many people have seen this map and how many have you heard about that 537 00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:08.440 have seen him? Not? What's with that? This guy said he was 538 00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:14.079 in on one of these meetings, and when they questioned the scene a sasquatch, 539 00:43:14.199 --> 00:43:17.079 what the freak? The guy running the meetings said, if you see 540 00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:22.480 one of these things, do not act aggressively towards The question was raised, 541 00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:25.960 why they said, There have been those who have and it didn't end well 542 00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:31.360 for them. End of story, end of story. This is just another 543 00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:39.199 feather in the cap. Paul Sagan once said, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, 544 00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:45.519 and I believe that the threshold but extraordinary evidence when it comes to Sasquatch 545 00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:51.679 was crossed and exceeded a long time ago. I don't need to see anything 546 00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:54.559 beyond the Patty film, which I already told you, But beyond that, 547 00:43:55.320 --> 00:43:59.840 the things I have heard, the photographs I have seen, the people I've 548 00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:04.400 interview, I don't need any I'm not in this business to prove anything to 549 00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:07.320 you. I don't care if you think I'm bat booky crazy. I know 550 00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:10.199 what I'm doing when I know my business, and I know what I'm doing 551 00:44:10.239 --> 00:44:14.599 in the hospital setting. Two. I'm an instructor. Where I work, 552 00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:19.079 I train people to do what I do, and I train them in the 553 00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:22.679 right way and to do things in the right way. That's the way I 554 00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:25.880 teach them. So I could joke with them down the road and say, 555 00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:29.960 who'd have freak taught you? When they get it, like, okay, 556 00:44:29.960 --> 00:44:31.760 man, I get it when I catch them doing stuff that they shouldn't be 557 00:44:31.800 --> 00:44:37.400 doing, or pludging around with their telephones when they're supposed to be observing things 558 00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:40.440 and whatnot, which is way too common today. Yeah, there's so much 559 00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:46.639 stuff going on bright. It's just such incredible diversity that you just can't fathom 560 00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:50.920 what's coming next. That's what keeps me coming back for more. Man, 561 00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:52.159 I feel like we could talk for another two hours, but I want to 562 00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:54.800 be respectful of your time. Let's talk about your books. I know you 563 00:44:55.199 --> 00:45:00.159 mentioned that you were working on volume twelve. Talk about the previous volumes your 564 00:45:00.159 --> 00:45:01.480 books where people can find them, and tell us a little bit about your 565 00:45:01.480 --> 00:45:06.119 podcast and what they can expect when they check out Bigfoot Tear in the Woods. 566 00:45:06.519 --> 00:45:08.519 All right, First of all, my bookshare is just called Bigfoot Terror 567 00:45:08.559 --> 00:45:14.679 in the Woods, Sightings and Encounters. There are eleven volumes out. You 568 00:45:14.679 --> 00:45:19.320 can get them all on Amazon. All of them are in paperback, ebook 569 00:45:19.360 --> 00:45:22.920 and kindle format. Ten of the eleven are available in the audio book for 570 00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:28.320 people who like to listen. In the middle of volume twelve right now, 571 00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:32.760 Gist is also Bigfoot Terror in the Woods. So the books are Bigfoot Terror 572 00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:37.760 in Woods, Sidings and Encounters. Gus is Bigfoot Terror in the Woods. 573 00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:42.039 WJ Shean. What we do is, first of all, we're not making 574 00:45:42.039 --> 00:45:45.639 a nickel on this podcast. My brother and I do just find for ourselves 575 00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:51.079 and we'll leave that at that we start off the show with a segment that 576 00:45:51.159 --> 00:45:55.519 I call cryptids in the News and other oddities. Sometimes we're talking about creepy 577 00:45:55.559 --> 00:46:01.719 places, demonic things, cryptids, strange things, be they true or not, 578 00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:07.679 and occasionally Bigfoot. Then I enter into ninety nine point nine to nine 579 00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:13.199 percent of a time one of the encounters with Bigfoot that I have. And 580 00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:16.559 then at the end of the show we do listener mail. We're reading and 581 00:46:16.599 --> 00:46:22.519 trying to engage in a little fun and conversation and listen, man, I'm 582 00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:25.400 a half a freaking comedian, so you don't need to twist my aunt to 583 00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:29.000 get you to put a smile on your face. I'm going to be trying 584 00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:31.440 to do that from a minute we meet. We have some fun with that, 585 00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:36.400 and then boom, the podcast is over and we do one a week. 586 00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:38.760 People seem to like what we're doing and we're having a good time. 587 00:46:39.039 --> 00:46:45.760 We're always beating the bushes for new people, and I always say, if 588 00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:52.039 you've seen something, say something, and I invite people to continually seek me 589 00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:55.000 out. And it's funny because on the end of the podcast on every show, 590 00:46:55.039 --> 00:47:00.360 I say, always carry more gun than you thank you going to need. 591 00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:07.679 And that's the truth, whatever it takes you use very good advice. 592 00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:09.840 You guys, go over and check it out. I will link to the 593 00:47:09.840 --> 00:47:13.519 books and I will link to the show in the show notes. You guys, 594 00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:16.320 go over and check out my new favorite person in Bigfoot Wjy. She 595 00:47:16.519 --> 00:47:19.840 and I've had a blast talking to you, man. Thank you so much 596 00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:23.920 for coming on the show. Whatsome Brother, do it again. Sometime they 597 00:47:24.079 --> 00:47:35.159 say you don't gotta go home, but you can't stay. I don't want 598 00:47:35.199 --> 00:48:06.519 to be out. Joy this job that cho everything calling. Get w P 599 00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:24.800 back joy from me. Joy, stay right, come in right away, 600 00:48:22.920 --> 00:49:27.519 steps, steps, steps, coming abouts, stays us as things us nessess