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going on again. And how you doing, Alejandro. I'm doing pretty good.
Busy, busy, busy, busy, busy, busy, but doing
very well. How about yourself? Good? I got a two day break
from the snow, but it came back with vengeance and I can barely see
my house. Oh yucky snow. Luckily there's none here. If you watch
the super Bowl, you saw the wonderful weather we're having here in Arizona.
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, So I know we got a lot to
cover, so let's roll right into it, all right. Yeah. Not
only is the conference keeping me super busy, but lots of UFO news,
a ton of it. So of course a lot of people probably saw that
John Greenwald had to take down those blue Book files that you and I have
been speaking about so often. Some people have claimed that John Greenwald stole these
files from Bold three. Not true whatsoever. Those people, many of them
know the truth, are just lying. I think some people have a personal
grudge against John for whatever reason. But regardless, what happened is most of
those files did come from a company called Fold three, and it was a
third party who downloaded all of those files and provided them to UFO researchers to
post, and John Greenwall was able to turn them into PDFs and post them,
but he also posted his personal files that he had received a blue Book
as well. However, fold three came and said, due to the Digital
Copyright Millennium Act, we own those and take them down. And it's kind
of like a case of you know, John Greenwall doesn't have the money to
pay lawyers to fight them, so he, unfortunately for now, had to
take those down. Many many people are disappointed that fold three is claiming digital
copyright over documents that are open to the public, and so this is really
frustrating, and I know there are a lot of people fighting this and I
have a feeling that we have not heard the end of this, and I
don't think Full three is going to win a long run on this one.
Yeah. Yes, I've been getting some you know, negative emails about this
and contact. So yeah, I'm just not even going to talk about it,
and just so we'll see what happens. Oh, you will see.
Yeah, but let's well, let me just tell you something. I've had
a couple of weeks of grief because we've been talking about this of Yeah,
but you know what, there's a lot of trollers out there, and you
know, I've always felt I can't let these small minority of people stop me
from bringing this information to the masses, and that thousands of people who are
dying for this information and love it, and no doubt, the positive feedback
has by far overwhelmed the negative feedback that is out there, even though those
couple of negative people are very loud. Yes, you know, the one
thing I do say about this whole situation, and I may have said it
before, is that I think it's just going to cause more people to have
more awareness. And so I don't think it's you know, a good bad
or in different I think it's good publicity. Yeah, there's been an abundance
of stories, local newspapers running stories about local UFO cases from those files.
So there's a lot of education that has gone on. Yeah, good stuff.
So what else is happening a lot? So this is a cool story.
This is about a conference, a small gathering that's going to go on
in Warminster in the UK, and it's the fiftieth anniversary of a UFO called
the Thing. And you know, that doesn't sound like such an exciting story
except for when you read the details of this story. So it's a really
interesting case that started in Christmas Day of nineteen sixty four when this housewife was
walking to church and she heard these strange crackling sounds and stuff like that in
the town of Warminster. The news ran it and it turned out other people
had heard it. There were several witness is that heard this thing, and
there was a UFO siding, and over the next few months especially, there
were like hundreds and hundreds of UFO sidings and people hearing this weird sound in
Warminster. They even dubbed this UFO which they believe that the sounds were coming
from the thing, and Warminster for years, really up until this day has
been known as a UFO hotspot because of all of this activity. There's been
several documentaries that have been made on the whole thing, and it's a really
really interesting case. So the fiftieth anniversary actually started, you know, pretty
much in January, because the stories really came out in January of nineteen sixty
five. But it's a really cool case that I wanted to share with you
and your listeners because it's worth taking a look at. And there is an
interesting photograph that someone took of a UFO during this period of time. Yes,
way back when I had Kevin Goodman on to talk about this, he's
a great guy and boom, Unfortunately, now that I have the show in
the evening, it's just too late for me to have guests on from the
UK and Europe. But yeah, Kevin Goodman was a big researcher in that.
Yeah, I'll have to talk to him because that's right, and I
talk about him in this story. He's the one who's putting on this conference
actually, and I would love to talk to him, and because it is
a great case, I really like it. I will sell you his contact
information perfect good yeah, she p sister. Okay, another really cooling is
I love this one. We've talked about this before. The Buckingham Center for
Astrobiology. It's this group of astrobiologists at the Universities of Buckingham and Sheffield in
England. They also work with the University of Alabama and some other astrobiologists on
this side. But these are some scientists who believe they have several examples of
microbial life essentially found in meteorites, mostly from Mars. So these guys are
convinced they've already found extraterrestrial life. What's interesting is one of them, the
team lead, has been talked to Astrobiology magazine about this orb, this metallic
orb that they found. They sent a balloon up into the stratosphere and we
talked about this a couple months ago. And this balloon opened up and grabbed
some material from the stratosphere and closed up, and then they examined it and
they found something called the Dragon particle, which is they believe is a microbe
from space, probably even something that floats in space, kind of like bacteria
floating around in space. You know, there have been studies to show that
bacteria can survive in space, so it's possible, and this is just one
of the extraterrestrial evidence that they feel they have. However, the balloon when
they examined it, had a little metallic orb the size of a hair that
they that made an impact that they believe was from space as well. It
has biological filaments on the outside of it, and on the inside they say
it's it has a gooey biological material that is oozing out of it, and
you can see this microscope picture that I've put up there and you can see
this oozing material coming out of it. And they feel that not only is
this further evidence of life from space, but they also feel that this orb
could have been something called direct pan spermia. So panspermia is something this group
kind of one of the scientists of this group coined the phrase, which is
the idea that life is abundant and it travels on meteorites and comets and kind
of rains down on the planet and that's how life came here from elsewhere.
But directed panspermia is at civilizations directly seating life on other planets kind of like
the movie Prometheus. So they're saying this ORB could have been sent here to
see life or viruses or something like that. They admit it would be difficult,
if not impossible, to prove it, but it is a theory that
they're putting out there. But here again, this group's believe they've found even
more evidence of extraterrestural life. Amazing. You know, just like Jason said,
this is going to be the year. I really think it is.
Yeah, it may be the year. And you know what's cool about this
too is that even though they're kind of considered they are legitimate scientists, but
they are considered a little fringe. However, NASA is repeating their study.
NASA is going to also send a balloon into the stratosphere to see if it
can get microbes as well. Well, that's real exciting news. Now do
we have another story? Who said, no, that's not it, buddy,
Speaking of exciting news, there's more. Now that these are both roswell
stories, this first one is not as exciting. This is really regarding a
video that a Australian New Zealand magazine called Uncensored has released that they say is
they're the first ones to have this, and they've been able to prove that
this video shows a Roswell alien being collected by the Air Force. Yeah,
well, it's not a new video. It's actually been around for many,
many years. It's part of the Roswell Dissection Autopsy alien video that was out
in the mid nineties that has since been debunked, where the guy Race Antilly
says, oh, yeah, well that isn't real, but I did see
a real video and I made this to look like the real video. It
also this clip in particular, which is, you know, the best produced
clip because there's more actors kind of running around, and it is a very
well produced little clip that looks legitimate. It was actually also part of a
movie called Alien Autopsy where these committee comedians kind of did a movie that kind
of mirrored what really happened there and what would you do if you had real
alien video kind of thing. But this so this is just a rehash of
some old stuff. These guys for some reason, I guess, just for
marketing purposes, they're saying that it's the first time it's been out there.
Maybe they don't know, maybe they were told that by whoever gave it to
him. But with a little bit of research, they could have found that
this video has been out for a while. However, new evidence of roswell
aliens and photographs of roswell aliens was promised to be released by a man named
Tom Carrey, who in November told American University in a panel you know,
with Leslie Kane and some other UFO researchers that he had the smoking gun.
He had photos of an alien, but he couldn't show him yet. Well,
he has coupled up with his research partners Don Schmidt, but he has
partnered up. They have partnered up with Jime Moussan and Hime Musson announced today
in an online press conference that May fifth at the National Auditorium in Mexico City,
they're going to release these pictures and show them to the world, and
they told us a lot. They showed a lot of pictures in some videos
that they posted on YouTube today as part of his press conference, and gave
a lot more information about these photographs. Essentially, there was a woman who
was cleaning up a home of this deceased couple and she found a box of
photographs and they were preparing it for an estate sale. These were part of
the things. They wanted her to throw away, but she decided to keep
them. This is the nineteen eighty nine. Ten years later, she picks
up the box and she looks and she sees pictures at Dwight Ayey and how
are Clark Gables, some famous people, and she thinks, wow, these
are really cool. Well, the bottom of the box is, you know,
damaged by water. It starts to fall apart. She sees that there
are some slides that are wrapped up. Carefully opens them up and there's two
slides there that look like an alien. A friend of the family said he
saw them, and he said, yeah, that she You know, if
you look at him, most people say, hey, those are aliens because
they look like what we think aliens look like. This things dissected, its
head is off of itself. But there's been some analysis to show these pictures
do come from nineteen forty seven or around there. The sleeve comes from the
time period, so they believe these pictures legitimately were from that period of time.
And that's about really as far as we get with analysis. So they
believe them to be legitimate real aliens. And they're saying they're thinking because it's
from nineteen forty seventies got to be the roswell aliens. I guess it looks
like this thing's laying on an army cot or an army blanket. But yeah,
So the pictures will be showing in May and in my story that I'm
still preparing, but we'll have posted hopefully. You know, by the time
people click on the link on you your page. There's even pictures of kind
of an animation of what the alien would have looked like. Wow. Yes,
please do make sure you send that link after you get the story done,
will do? So? Do you want to hear about another story I'm
working on. By the time news is so quick that it's diamond next week
comes around, it'll be old news, all right, sure, But yeah,
I'm just working on this other video that Stephen Greer has released from c
SETI. He charges people twenty five hundred dollars to go out and he teaches
people how to communicate with aliens and to call in UFOs. They've got a
photograph of what they say is an alien. Unfortunately, really the things look
like a blob to me. I don't see it whatsoever. But they feel
that they were visited by an alien. You know, nobody saw it with
their eyes, but it was captured on a camera. But this recent video
he just put posted like yesterday or the day before, shows these two bright
objects out over the ocean and they're at Vero Beach in Florida. Well just
for people, I mean, I've heard from someone else who's a witness,
who said he saw some flying discs. But to me, they looked like
flares because they they appear and then they fall slowly, even to the right,
and then they fade out, which is exactly what a flair would do.
So far, the experts I have spoken with have agreed with that.
They've they've independently. I didn't tell them what I thought it was. I
was just like, what do you guys think? And Mark D'Antonio in particular
pointed out some good things to show that, you know, definitely flares.
So that's what it appears to be. So when you're readers listeners see those
videos, they can determine for themselves, but at least thus far from the
experts, that's what I'm hearing. Wow, I wonder if it I wonder
if Stephen put the little Atacoma baby, you know, on a little parachute
in one of the flares. Yeah, he was so good and blew it
up. Yeah he might have done that. Yeah, oh my gosh,
I didn't even think of that. Hey, well, that's it, finally,
right, that is finally it, my friend. A lot of news
and likely for you. I'm busy with the conference, so you're getting a
lot of the news even before we have it posted. Well. Great,
so make sure you send those links and the listeners out there. You can
check out podcastufo dot com and the show notes and links to all those stories
and videos and all that. So thank you very much, Alejandro, and
we'll be talking to you next week. My pleasure, thank you to talk
to you in all right, So stay tuned. We have a little music
break and they were coming back with Jesse Marcel the Third. Welcome to the
show. Jesse, Hello, how are you doing today? I'm doing good.
Thanks so much for offering me a guest. We have a couple of
things to talk about here tonight. First of all, I want to say
to the live listener, if you're listening live, please jump over to the
chat room and join in. That's at podcastufo dot com and it's just two
clicks to get in. Jesse, we're going to be talking about your new
venture, which is I think really exciting. I don't know a lot about
flying cars, but I've always been intrigued by them, and I remember watching
videos back in the I don't want to say the seventies or sixties, but
anyway, the second hour we're going to be talking about Roswell, your family
connection, stuff like that. So for someone who has not heard you before,
can you just give a real, you know, short in the nutshell
type of explanation of who you are, your family connection, and then we'll
get into your car. Okay, I'd be happy to well. Like you
said, my name is Jesse Marcel, actually Jesse Marcel third. I am
the grandson of Major Marcel, who was one of the lead investigators into the
Roswell incident. Grew up in Montana where with my father, doctor Marcel,
who also was part of the story of course, and spent summers in Louisiana
some earlier days down at Grandpa's house at a Homa, Louisiana. And it
was through this adventure and the communications I learned about Roswell and was kind of
one of the people that the story was handed down to right in a nutshell.
That was really good greet. Yeah. Yeah, and we had you
on the show a while back, Yes, and it was really nice talking.
And you know, we lost your father last year, I should say
a couple hours ago. Father. Yeah, so we really miss him.
Yeah, I bet you do. He's seemed like such an awesome man really.
Yeah. You know, he was one of those people that I you
know, he added a lot of credibility to the ufology and the study and
the stories behind Roswell. He was a medical doctor, a colonel in the
military, and you know, he know, his story of his experiences never
varied from what he saw as a child, excuse me, as a child,
and you culminate that into a like I said, a medical doctor,
a physician who is an avid astronomer and physicist also and anyway, yes,
that was that kind of his background. Yeah. Yeah, Now let's talk
about your brain child. Here is it your idea? This airborne motors?
Yeah, it's it's uh draws too long. As a child, my dad
would bring me and my brother they're over to summer called the Holter Laboratories.
They were located in Helena, Montana, where we grew up. This gentleman
Norman Holter. He invented the Holter monitor, that kind of thing, and
happened to be her Jeff Holters because me was a good friend of the families,
and he had in this laboratory he had it was like four floors.
One was nothing but physics, one was chemistry, one was biology, and
one was just kind of crazy everything put together. So I grew up in
this atmosphere of you know, basically studying, testing, physics, all that
kind of thing, and my dad really ingrained with us as kids that it
was important for us to grasp the ideas out there or you know, to
come to our conclusions, to do our own testing, et cetera, for
different ideas that we might have. And we had the luxury of that laboratory.
As a small example, I think on the top floor he had jars
and jars of different chemicals and one of those was basically powdered zinc and sulfur
and you mix them together in the right combination to mix great rocket fuels.
So that is what we me and I and my brothers started doing, was
making the rocket fuels when we were kids, and you know, causing trouble
with it a little few fires in the garage. That kind of thing anyway,
going going to upwell now in the last few years, I just you
know, there's some ideas out there for flying cars. The real name or
the true name or more proper name would be a personal air vehicle. It
was actually created by NASA that that terminology anyway in the last twenty years.
And what's out there is, uh, you know, more like airplanes with
folding wings gonna be driven on the highway, helicopters on wheels. There there
are a couple of other attempts out there that been going on for decades really
to try to create some kind of a stable vehicle, and they just haven't
had that much luck with it. But I came up with this new concept,
and that's where it's based on a gyroscope. It's a flying car that
has a hybrid rotor that it creates stability, creates thrust the body the vehicle
actually creates a magnetic field around the rotor that creates the cause of the rotor
to spin. Basically, other than that, if you take that component out
of it, it's like a giant quad copter. So you put those two
almost together, and that's what it is by all the you know, I've
been working on it for a while now. We have three D printed modal
models, got into prototype in the computer systems to keep it stable, that
kind of thing. So that's that's kind of where it's at right now now,
wasn't there? It seems to me I watched a documentary I don't know,
maybe a year or two ago, but a guy that has something with
the rotary engines separate four separate rotary engine. Are you with that? Yeah,
very familiar. It's been around for like thirty something years and they've you
know, I don't want to talk out of a character. I'm not familiar
with the project other than what I've read on internet and I've looked at the
patents for it and that kind of thing to see how it operated. It's
it's actually fairly simple. It's based on technology that's been around for decades,
and I think they're trying to evolve it and make it more of a computer
some some kind of computer system to control the thrust vectoring of those of the
turbines to try to make it stable. And the difference with yours is you
have the centrifugal wheel basically, I mean the gyroscope, right, it's it's
it's a hybridization of technologies that create a stable aircraft or personal air vehicle.
So it is different that by by using the technology that that I have applied
to this I'm not, by no means the inventor of this technology. I'm
just applying it to this car. It creates something that's very compact, that
can fly. They can fit in your garage. Uh, very easy to
fly. I always going through the numbers. You know it it could uh
basically could be autonomously controlled, you know from no different than a quad copper
you control from iPhone. If if it was you know, a drone so
to speak, but extremely stable. If you were to fly yourself and it
was to get out of control, you just let go of all the controls
and it would immediately write itself into a into a solid hover. Hm.
So the whole idea behind it is creating the most stable, you know,
a stable vehicle possible, that's easy to fly, easy to drive. It
uses a steering wheel and pedals. It drives just like a rare car.
Yeah, except do you have your private let's license? So you do you
fly? No? I do not, uh huh so this is just something
you have an interest in somehow, or your father flew right, he was
a helicopter pilot. He didn't fly fixed wings, but he was part of
an attack battalion. Although some of the some of the processes that are using
a helicopters is using this. But Mike, I used to be a wildline
firefighter and I was part of a hell attack team where actually the closest I've
ever been is riding and huey helicopters to go to the fronts of different fires,
forest fires, that kind of thing. But I was an average RC
modeler m hm. And it really became interested in it when the when we
had electric motors and batteries capable of you know, lightweight lithium ion kind of
things capable of powering these things. And the same thing about this the typhoon
I've called it is it's completely electric. It's just we just had a question
up in the in the chat room asking that if yeah, so it's electric,
complete electric. There's there's some very large advantages to being electric. One
is that you're you create one hundred percent of the torque available to the instant
the motor stars turning, so you can have a design of a rotor to
make it is obviously we want to make it so you can actually fly in
and out of your garage. You know you're pulling a dryingway. Take off
need to be it needs to be as quiet as possible. You can't have
something it's going to be sound like a jet taking off in your neighborhood.
You can create an immense amount of torque instantly through electric motor the way it
is right now. You can by by having basically a rotor that has steep
enough that the actual fins inside of it create the thrust. It doesn't have
to spin as fast as like propeller would to create the same thrust. So
you can you can power. You can you can turn something that's going to
take a lot of force because it's because of a sheer SiZ it's about ten
feet diameter. But the way that but with a torque electricity does it well.
And another opponent component of being electric is that it's fully manageable. You
can you can raise and lower the revolutions permit at the RPMs of the rotor
very easily and very incrementally. You know, you can you know by in
a series of you know, ten RPMs, twenty thirty, one thousand,
thousand and ten twenty that kind of thing. And when you're talking about elect
a gas powered turbine, it's not going to be as nearly controllable. You
know, when you raise and lower the RPMs, and a gas motor you
don't have the kind of flexibilit you don't have the kind of control you would
with an electric motor. Right, I know of an investor, you got
to get the word too. How about Elon Musk? Yeah, it's yeah,
with a Tesla and X and Space X and that kind of thing.
You're you're not the first person to say that, I have a business partner
who we do movies with and he just bought the latest Tesla D and that
kind of thing, and he's a huge Elon Musk fan, and that is
that that's a possibility. Right, We're we're in the middle of When we
talked a couple of weeks ago, I was in the middle of doing an
Indiegogo campaign, you know, putting together and massaging and ready to go out
there and sing about doing a little bit of crowdfunding and just basically to get
it from the the prototype stage into something can be tested, a man pilot
kind of thing, and uh, in the thrust of that, I have
some friends who are they do some extreme television for I don't want to mess
their name, but one of the large uh you know, power drink companies,
and in this meeting they were talking about the latest there they're you know,
a series of shows that they'd like to produce with them. They involved
everything from airplanes to race car that kind of thing. And somewhere in there
I'd sent them over a little one sheet one page dat or sheet with a
couple of photos on it, and the VP grabbed it, looked at it,
ended the meeting and now wants to present to the president of the company
because they've been looking at this and this just what what I've created is exactly
what they're looking for. So it's kind of put a kind of an interesting
and interesting position. They'd be great if they wanted to come along and back
it. So we're kind of waiting to see how that goes. I think
I know the company in the r They have a bunch of helicopters themselves.
Yes, they have all the high technology they're they're they they're very much into
anyway all the all the extreme stuff, but it's exciting boarding and yeah,
they went literally from you know, it's it's a prey large company. You
have all these layers you need to go through, and he's willing to bypass
everything and jump right to the president and so so and then yeah, so
it's good. I'm I am actually I've pulled back. I'm not quite sure
if I'm going to do then indigogo campaign, but I think I'm going to
go out. I'm you know, in the middle of a sum in the
paper paperwork to do uh basically a small private offering. So I think I'm
going to start there and if this other company comes along, then great,
that'll that'll that'll knock that. You know. Obviously getting funds for this kind
of thing is one of the difficult early stage you know, early stages you
go through. So I would resolve that, but uh, at this point,
it's full steam ahead. So wow, exciting. Now. The one
thing that I thought of when you were talking about electric it seems to me
that the weight of the batteries would be uh detrimental to this, is that
am I not thinking correctly? You are thinking correctly now if you look at
the I think if you have that photo has sent you, it's based I
call the typhoon F one and it's not too tricky as tip. The F
stands for freedom. One stands for one passenger. The rotor itself is a
it's fear. It's the large electric motor, very large, ten feet in
diameter. It's possible to put it for that rotor to actually with the with
the magnetic fields are created within the actual craft itself and within the magnetic roador
itself, you can create between three and four thousand horsepower, and with that
you could create an immense you know, the thrust would be the thrust would
be no problem even if the batteries weighed thirty five to forty percent of the
entire vehicle with an occupant. Now, you don't want to create a vehicle
it has to create that much thrust for liftoff. So it's you're you're kind
of in a quandary. It's like, Okay, the longer the flight time,
the more batteries you have. So is it better for your test vehicles
to maybe have a shorter flight span flight time and have less weight in batteries.
Now we're looking at fuel cell technology also and it's it's already out there,
so we'll probably be moving to fuel cells, you know, as far
as you know in the next twenty four months when we're actually in production,
will probably be more fuel cell powered and that will relieve some of that weight
issue. M Now, I guess one of the questions that one would think
of is safety. How would you address safety on something like this? Well,
it's interesting, I'm working at two folks are both astronauts, and one
of them worked on the mars Lander in those projects and what they did in
their in their kind, they're they're basically that was one of the things we
were talking about as a safety how do we do this? And there is
apparently something similar to an air bag that's on the bottom of these crafts when
they when they're working on and they we're going to a plant that same technology,
So you almost have a giant air bag under the bottom of it and
a rocket propelled shoot. So you have two methods. And the another thing
is you it's this, This wouldn't have any you know, you could fly
twenty five thousand feet, there's not that's not an issue, but ideally you're
going to fly at about twenty five thirty five feet off the ground. It's
you're not going to want to fly up into the clouds like I think it's
it's to make it useful, Like I said, you could do that,
but part of the idea is to make it so that you're not you know,
you're basically just flying over the power lines. Interesting, boy, there's
been many times, I'm sure a lot of listeners as well as myself,
wish we had one when we're stuck in traffic, just pop right over a
bunch of cars. Now, what has stopped other people from succeeding trying to
do a similar thing to what you're doing. Well, you know, nobody
has done it the way I've done it. This the idea of you of
actually the craft being a gyroscope. It's the first one out there at least,
and we have you know, provisional patents, and we have a design
patent now and a bunch of other things, and you go through and uh,
and the reason it just it really just hasn't been done this way before.
For one thing, but even bigger than that, we need current technology
to make this work. Ten years ago, fifteen years ago, the density
or the energy density in a battery wasn't great enough that this would even been
possible. It would have weighed far too much. I mean you're talking back
in you know, lead acid batteries, and I think just really you couldn't.
You couldn't get enough energy out of a battery and put it into this
into your system, your medic system and make it work. So it's really
just technology has come far enough now that it's possible. Now. Do you
have an engineering background or is this just something you just are pursuing in other
ways. I was when I was in college, I went through aerospace,
engineering and finance and economics, kind of a strange thing, and I ended
up by my day job has always been I was. I was in banking
for quite a number of years, and when everything kind of went went south
in banking, you know, back in six and seven, I decided to
go out and kind of fall up on the family history. Wrote a book
about Roswell documentary and I go around doing you know, a few speeches here
and there, and it's kind of that was done. That That was that
was interesting. I have I've had a lot of fun. It was it
was, you know, I've I've really had a good experience the whole thing.
But in the background has been this fight to get back into the arena
of aerospace engineering. So it's this has given me the ability to really go
back into that I've always been UH. I don't know what you call it.
A designer. I I the the if I could spin off a little
bit here from the car. I actually the car was supposed to be a
test bed for another technology I'm working on. M H. It's like on
this it's a quad copter on the has four corner fans that operate qua quad
coppter. Other than they don't provide lip, they provide directional control and that
kind of thing. I've been working with UH. And this is my old
it's it's it's based on theorical physics I a theoretical idea anyway, it's being
able to observe energy in a fluid, being able to divide gravity metric forces.
So you create a bias driver, singular vectored. It's kind of funny
you call it inertia nursing me static. But if you could picture a ball
that wants to be that wants to be pulled out of your hands, and
it's not it's not pushing around the air around it. It's actually internal and
I have done some tests using fluids and it works. The next thing is
to step up and create a mechanized vectored motor that could be used to propel
direction. So the idea is actually to apply a non existent yet as if
yet technologyally, I mean people could be sure talking about it working out to
some laboratory somewhere in the world that I know about, of course. But
the idea is to create a form of a motor electric again that creates this
vectored force and uh like, for instance, could be used in an airplane
instead of using a jet engine or propellers or you're not you're not pushing air.
It creates a vectored momentum withinside the airplane, so it would be perfectly
silent, all electric. The force to create is really uh there. It
is asymptotic to infinity. It's it's just kind of it's just some ideas.
Those ideas have been with me since I've been in the tent in my early
twenties. So, like I said, making a long story of this whole
thing is I wanted to create a stable aircraft that I could create these motors
that are these these sources of energy, put them on board and actually use
those to push it around. And so the typhoon is nothing was nothing more
than a test bed, but it became more than that when I put it
together. I, like I said, I had a couple of I put
a think tank and a couple of marastronauts, really intelligent people that kind of
added their two cents in about some of the mechanisms. And then I started
raising eyebrows and decided, well, let us go about this thing in a
in a big way. Mm hmmm, all right, well let's let's talk
about the car. Okay, the typhoon. Yes, yeah, yeah,
So I have a typhoon in my garage and I have it plugged in most
likely, so and I'm going to go to work and I'm going to go
through a couple of cities or whatever. So why don't you just walk me
through what you envision on how this thing would work. Well, the easiest
way to put it is it's I mean, it's it's fully computer controlled,
server, servo mechanisms, fly by ware, those kind of things. So
you would step into the vehicle, actually you don't plug it, of course,
step into the vehicle and then nothing just like the current car. If
you have a proximity key, they would initiate the systems in the car and
there'd be you would you would propel it or drive it into your driveway out
of the garage and the driveway. It does have a very simple system of
wheels you could drive out in the drive way. It's not meant to be
driven like down the highway on it, but it can be maniuvered with them,
and you would put it would it would you would push a button that
it would create an automatic lift off sequence, so it would measure the way
to the car. It would proximity, their proximity detections would make sure there's
nothing around it that would be they could possibly be obstructed or impacted when this
thing took off, And so you push this button. Once it's figured out
the surroundings, it would raise you to a given altitude about thirty feet.
At that point you would take over and fly it to wherever you're going to
go. Either either you could have preset the your your your guide path,
your flight path, excuse me, or you would input it through again something
as simple as steering wheel. Once you're thirty feet, turn right to go
right, left, to go left, there's a gas pedal to make you
go forward or break pedal will stop you. Now in addition to those,
there are paddles, same thing you used to switch transmissions gears on like in
a modern car. And on the paddles, you pull the right paddle,
you'll go up, put the left paddle down. So obviously, because you're
moving in three dimensions, but the whole idea is that the car without your
inputs is the most stable. So whenever you add an input, whenever you
make a change in the direction, you're actually making it a little less stable.
And then when you and when you then when you let the car take
it back, the control of getting it comes back to more stable. So
really, once you're at thirty fourth altitude, you're you're basically pointing going m
and there. Now, obviously we're you know, cutting edge on the edge.
There isn't an infrastructure built, There are no rules that kind of thing
yet for these things. So I was going to ask about that there is
they'll come around. I mean we're at the at the at the front of
it along with some other people. So you know, the way I envision
it is eventually they'll become more and more autonomous pre set corridors that you can
fly with them. But like if you can think about this way, Okay,
I'm I'm going to go to work in this thing. I plot on
my garage, I push a button thirty feet Okay, I know where I'm
going to And you know, you could do you know, you could have
a map show up as you know, like on a tablet type screen in
front of you. It's going to show you where to go, and it'll
as long as you're staying with the little green lines on the on the on
the glass in front of you'll know you're okay to get to where you're going
in in the right direction of the right hallet height and that kind of thing.
And then a parking garage, I wouldn't think in the new distant future
when these become more than norm when you become you know, with a certain
proximity of that parking structure, you know, and be a you know,
a quarter mile of one thousands whatever, a predetermined set figure. It's gonna
now can take control of the car. You're gonna let go of it and
it'll guide your car in. It'll it'll set you down into space so you
won't really be the one to control bringing in or taking off when there's other
you know, cars or whatever around. It'll all be fairly automatic or autonomous.
Now, would there have to be some type of special licensing right now
as long as it's under a certain weight. No, and that was part
that we were doing. Now everything we're going to be. Everything we're doing
and working with the FAA on so so you know, the idea is once
to surpass I think it's like fifteen hundred pounds, then it'll move us into
a different category for that's for the base weave of the vehicle. But there
will be so we'll be working hand in hand with them. You know.
Obviously at some point there's going to be some restrictions placed on these sort of
vehicles and you'll have to go through some kind of training school and it'll be
in a dnim to your driver's license to be able to use it. Like
I said, right now, it doesn't exist, but I can't imagine in
the not too distant future, will be a you know, some kind of
mandatory event like right now, the fa will require testing of the vehicle under
tether. They'll make you go out and prove that the vehicle can do what
it wants to do. Once you've proven that, then you're allowed to untether
it. That nobody's gotten that point of being untethered. With the exception,
there's a there is a thanks made. There is one out there that's basically
an airplane with folding wings, and they have made it past that. One
of the one of the issues is when you deal with an airplane that I
mean, they can fold down to drive on the on the on a road,
but that means you're still taking off and landing in an airport. And
just because of all the craziness in the world, it's probably going to be
more or more difficult to fly to an airport and drive off or drive on
to an airport and fly out without a lot of checking or a lot of
inspections that kind of thing. And you know, who knows where that will
go. But yeah, that is almost like to have they'd almost have to
create separate airports just for those exactly just for safety's sake, like you know,
just theorizing. But it'll be interesting to see, I mean, it's
the the world will look completely different the next thirty years when it comes to
this kind of technology. It's there's some forecasts that came about saying by twenty
fifty this technology will be the norm and it's and it'll be necessary to navigate
large cities and that kind of thing. And it kind of makes sense.
You know, I'm doing it for fun. I'm excited by it. It's
it's kind of you. You've seen the picture of the car. It looks
more like a sports car than anything else. So it's beautiful and the listener
can check out right now. Actually, if you're listening live on podcast UFO
dot com in the show notes right on the front page, we have a
picture of it. It's a great looking uh. And that's all your design?
Yes? Nice? Yeah, yeah. We started with you know,
start with sketches, then then went to solid works and made a three D
model of it. That's kind of how we started. So technology is so
wonderful now you can you can go from a scratching on a piece of paper
holding a model within weeks. I know, it's amazing. Then three D
printer you mentioned that whole thing is amazing. Now you mentioned earlier you know
that finances. Are there any other blockers or major hurdles that you're aware of
at this point? You know, this is the way I look at it
is, I can you know, if it's not being a finance or I'll
bootstrap it. I'll find it out of my pocket until it's done, you
know. So in my mind, there's nothing that's going to stop it from
being done. Now past that, I am going to be looking for some
partners, uh to join the company that think, wow, that things pretty
cool. Let's see what we can do with it, and and just just
to elevate to the point where it's not gonna I won't it won't. You
know, it won't take me a couple of years to get to the point
of happing this thing ready to go. And of course, you know in
there's there, there's I said that the other company is interested in coming along
and endorsing, and so we'll see where it goes. But you know,
it's like any new adventure, an adventure, it's it's you know, it's
a monetary uh constraint. Technology is done though, I mean there are We're
using three D printing to create the mold, to lay up carbon fiber to
create the panels, and that's what it's. So the whole thing is almost
entirely made a carbon fiber. We already have people ready to lay up the
everything from the rotor to the body panels to everything's you know, all that's
pretty much ready to go. And it's and technologies and that a lot easier.
You know, my like three D model I have that can fit your
hands. We can take those same called STL files and create the actual real
panels from that. So it's pretty amazing. The one thing I you know,
I could envision, and there may be something you've already thought of about
this, is you know, collisions with other Let's just say that these become
popular. A lot of people have them. You mentioned corridors, which sounds
like a good idea, but you know the cross you know, t boning
someone or something like that, all that that it would be kind of hard
to regulate. Well, you know, there's you know, on the level
we're talking aboutright now, it's easy. There are sensors, proximity detectors that
will the computer will not let you get within a certain number of feet a
certain fixed variable you'll create of another object, say it's five ft, ten
feet, one hundred feet, whatever that is, So it would actually you
could steer yourself right into the side of a bit and that would never let
you do that or into another car and that kind of thing. So it's
going to be aware, you know, through avionics something similar to an airplane
obviously is not a control center, but the same I think, you know,
some of the larger luxury car manufacturers already have you know, put together
these crash avoidance and and a lot of those is the same kind of proximity
detection that you could run up on a park car in front of you,
and when it detects you're moving faster, then you know, than the breaks
in a in a meaningful sense to be able to stop you, it'll slam
on the bricks for you. So it's that same kind of technology I see
in three dimensions, you know, rather than two. And what do you
envision a speed of something like this could could travel? You know, I
was never designed for speed. I mean, of course, since you're you're
talking about being airborne, you you have you have a little more flexibility that
way, but you know, really not the design I have right now not
much different than a car sixty or eighty if you're going to express it in
miles per hour, you know, not not tripically fast, not that you
couldn't push it to do that. As an example, the way the car
is controlled the corner rotors, and it might be hard to envision this unless
you're seeing a picture of it, are rotatable in three dimensions, so you
can you can stay the car, can stay level and still go rigged and
make make turns, go forward, go backwards, because the rotors are actually
changing the direction. But in another setting with the car, you'd be able
to fix the roadors and then you'd be banking through turns and instead of going
on a level flight, the nose would tip down and all of a sudden,
your main rotor that's spreading all a thrust would also would also give you
forward thrust. And it's those kind of things. What if you you know,
if you want to get into more of a sporting mode, then really
you know, if something probably more similar to a small sets and that kind
of thing. Mm hmmmm. But it's it's limitless depending on what you I
mean, you could design it to go much faster if that's what you wanted
to. But uh, someone on the someone on the message was wondering if
you if you think that you could do stunts with the salop to loops and
stuff like that. Yes, you could do anything it you figure you have
complete control in three dimensions, and you can do it statically. You can
do it from a single point, so it's not like an airplane or you
know where you got to get momentum. You gotta go forward and get enough
energy. You can do a loop or a strong enough motor to hang out
the prop that kind of thing. This could, yes, you know you
could. Any of those could be possible in a very small space. Actually,
wow, Now I would imagine if you had four rotors, no matter,
even if you're running off electricity, which is basically very quiet, it
would still cause quite a bit of noise, you know, because there the
rotors are big enough and they don't have to turn so fast, so it
actually wouldn't be that noisy, nothing at all compared like a rare airplane.
In fact, if it went overhead, say thirty feet off the ground,
you probably couldn't hear it really, so it be nothing like a hellic anything.
No, nothing like that at all. And a lot of the noise
made in the helicopter the roator is the leading The leading edge of one rotor
will catch an air pocket behind the trailing edge, and it caused that clapping
sound kind of going through there, those kind of things to hear and when
they when they slow down, just because of the way this is, it's
there's like I said, the rod doesn't need to turn nearly as fast as
a as a helicopter does, for instance, and it it relegates it.
It makes it a lot more quiet. And in fact, like I said
it would be, it would be. I mean, you'd definitely be able
to hear it if it was by you or or immediately in your vicinity,
but a flying overhead you really wouldn't notice it. Now, I know,
I read somewhere where you know, the helicopter wouldn't work until they made the
rotor tilt or whatever because it would catch that air pocket. Yeah, and
it would crash. And you know, they had a lot of a lot
of you know, hit and miss to get that thing going in the beginning.
Yep, there was, like I said, this there is I mean
some of the technology and a helicopter which interesting is you figure like a Huey
helicopter. They're powered by a couple of turbines. They put out like about
seven hundred and eighty five horsepower each and they're you know, they're quite like
a Huey helicopter. Wich I'm probably familiar with way you know quite a bit
many times what this car does. But yet because of electricity you can create
you can create almost as much more actually create more horsepower if you put it
that way, and we're not you know, you can convert horsepower watts.
But if we stay at the idea of horsepower, you can create more horsepower
with what I've done here than in a Huey helicopter, just because of the
sheer, the way the leverage in the motor works, the way that the
way it's created within the within the body of this So if you create a
very strong motor with with very steeply angled fins withinside of a rotor like so
they don't have to they don't have to go that fast and create an incredible
thrust. Well, I might have some listeners. I was just thinking I
might have some listener complain that this show has nothing to do about UFOs.
Yes, but I could understand that, So I'm ready for that. But
for the listener, we will be talking about that in the second hour some
more. Now, have you figured out what a range would be from plug
in to replug in. You know, it's it's more like, you know,
you should be able to run for about an hour, so roughly that's
why I put it into an hour. So you figure, Okay, well,
if you're going thirty miles an hour, you should be able to about
thirty miles. If you go to sixty miles an hour, about you know,
about sixty miles, you know, I would say to be safe when
we're actually testing and we get in the getting things going, you know,
about a twenty mile distance I see, and then you know, and then
go from there. Like I said, we're also at the very beginning this
thing. It could be designed like the you create enough thrust to actually have
far more you know, a far bigger power supply I'm than I'm going to
be putting into it. So it's possible greatly increase that. But again,
you know, for for simplicity, for safety, for testing, it's just
not going to be as far. Now I would think that you'd want to
create a miniature prototype of this. Have you thought of that? You know,
my I was gonna get a thirty create a thirty percent scale, thirty
percent scale model of the whole thing. But by the time you get that
far because of again three D printing that kind of thing. I mean to
figure, I'm going to be using the same computer, the same the same
the same mechanical ideas in the in the prototype as the small scale version that
as a cost, it's they're so close to the same to build a thirty
percent model is to build a full scale model that it almost makes sense just
to build the full scale model. Yeah, I could see that, and
it's just like it would have been the case, like I said, ten
years ago, completely would have made sense to make a smaller proof of concept
kind of thing. But now it's just like I said, the differential is
so small that it's just you know, so it's about thirty percent more to
get the full the full version that something could sit in and fly. So
we're just going to go for it all. I think I've early car manufacturers
for some reason when I'm thinking about you know, how you're you're plugging along
with this idea. You know, it's kind of in the same realm,
only it's a different you know, a whole different animal. But still would
you fear any type of say competition, you know, like for instance,
Tucker when he was building his car. He built the prototype type of thing,
same thing, and you know, but he was basically pushed out of
business. Do you fear any Do you think there's anything out there that would
like come at you is to stop you from from moving ahead? I mean,
as far as that goes, I mean, it's almost better because things
move so fast today, it's almost to get your it's almost better to get
your idea out there and take ownership of it in a big sense, sometimes
trying to keep it obscure with only a few people knowing about it. It
opens I think it almost opens up the competition more in that it's if I
get this thing out there so it's everywhere. I mean, of course I've
covered, you know, with the patents and that kind of thing for the
for how the technic technology is being applied. But if somebody else I go
out there and they say, oh, that's pretty cool, I'm gonna make
one too, it comes down to the point where, you know, and
maybe I'm a little optimistic that they'd have it. It'd be better for them
to contact me and work together on something than it would be to try to
take it and do something themselves. M hm. Just from the legal liability
sense and the rest of it. It's like, you know, I'm not
It's like, I'm not a big greedy person. I'm thinking, hey,
if you, if you, if you have something to say, well I
can get that done in you know, in two months rather than two years.
You know, let's look, let's let's put something together to get you
know, it doesn't have to be a US versus them kind of thing.
Conversely, are you thinking about anyone that's out there right now that you're thinking
about approaching? You know, I have a couple of names and people.
You know. Part of it, you know, is leveraging my name.
Let's be honest with it. I I get out there because of because of
my name with Roswell, you know, I get the chance to meet and
talk to a lot of very interesting people, and some of them are fairly
powerful and wealthy and that kind of thing. So there is a window of
opportunity to talk to some of those folks, so that that is definitely a
possibility. What what I've decided to do is, like I said, in
a financial sense, I'm going to try to find some partners that'll come along
that might and then and then look for them to come into the very beginning
and give me a little bit of time and then, you know, and
then and then walk into because I have a couple of of of larger people
that I could I could definitely sit down and talk to, but uh,
I want to be completely put together when I do that. Yeah, yeah,
all right, can you give out We're just about at the end of
the first hour here, Can you give out your website and Facebook page,
Twitter, all that stuff. Yeah, it's uh Airborne Motors dot com,
Airborne with an E, A I R B O r Any Motors dot com.
There's also a Twitter feed which is Airborne uh Facebook. If you just
go to Jesse Marcel, you'll find on Facebook you'll see my father's, you'll
see mine, and I have just a couple other ones. I think I'm
actually the third one on there or something like that. But if you just
look Jesse Marcel, you'll see my smiling face. That's the easy way to
get to it. Yeah, okay, well all right, so why don't
you say goodbye to the first hour listeners? Thanks everybody for listening. I
hope I didn't bore you. No, I think it's been fascinating. And
the second hour We're going to be talking about your family, Roswell and something
I sent you a clip of to see what you thought about that. Well,
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