1 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:33,519 Tonight's guest is Will Will. Welcome to the show. Thank you happy to 2 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,879 be here. Well, it's great having you. Thank you for your time. 3 00:01:37,799 --> 00:01:42,640 Will please give us a brief bio one yourself. Well, my name 4 00:01:42,719 --> 00:01:48,879 is Will. I live here in South Carolina, originally from southern California. 5 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:57,840 I am fifty years old and I'm an avid outdoorsman, adventurous kind of person 6 00:01:57,959 --> 00:02:06,040 who likes to enjoy things that are outside and grew up just enjoying life everything 7 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,719 life has to deal with. That must have been one heck of a culture 8 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:14,520 shock moving from southern cal all the way over to South Carolina. Wow, 9 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:19,199 it was. It was a quick adjustment, but it was different from the 10 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,800 hustle and bustle of LA that's for sure. Oh, I'm sure it was 11 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:27,080 an adjustment. Yeah, I can only imagine. Will. You grew up 12 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,680 in a family that believed in cryptics. Please tell us more about that. 13 00:02:30,879 --> 00:02:35,879 Well, yeah, I grew up in the seventies early seventies. I was 14 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:42,080 a young kid and we always watch TV as a family. That was back 15 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,000 before remote controls were popular. That the kids were the remote controls. So 16 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:49,199 we'd watch stuff like In Search of and my mom would always bring up certain 17 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:54,080 comics about Bigfoot, for example, or Lockness Monster or something like that, 18 00:02:55,240 --> 00:03:00,879 and she would go into detail about certain things that she was a little girl 19 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:05,120 living out in Indiana and Arizona and things like that, where she would say, 20 00:03:05,159 --> 00:03:07,520 yeah, I believe in these things. I don't think my mom's ever 21 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:12,400 seen one. She's not with us no more. But I'm not sure if 22 00:03:12,439 --> 00:03:15,199 she ever actually saw ad cryptid, but she she was a believer in encryptids. 23 00:03:15,719 --> 00:03:19,400 And my dad, I think he was to an extent, but I 24 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:23,960 think he mostly tolerated my mom's stories and whatnot. Well, how neat is 25 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:28,199 that, though, Still to have your mom being into cryptids like that, 26 00:03:28,199 --> 00:03:31,800 that's great. It was interesting. I mean, it's scared the scared the 27 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:36,199 garbage out of us as kids. You know. It was kind of those 28 00:03:36,199 --> 00:03:38,400 things like if you don't do this, then something's gonna get you. And 29 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:43,919 then she'd go into a story, you know, But it was she kept 30 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,039 us on her toes. Let's just spit that way. We're avid camping family, 31 00:03:46,159 --> 00:03:50,240 so we'd be out in the woods a lot, and sometimes she'd bring 32 00:03:50,319 --> 00:03:54,159 up Bigfoot and whatnot, and it was interesting, interesting to say the least. 33 00:03:54,199 --> 00:03:59,479 So I kind of started my culture with cryptids. I didn't know what 34 00:03:59,479 --> 00:04:02,319 the word crypt was back then, but you know, I knew what the 35 00:04:02,319 --> 00:04:06,159 elusive Bigfoot was because of you know, in search of and my mom talking 36 00:04:06,199 --> 00:04:10,759 about it, then campsite stories and whatnot, So it was a big deal. 37 00:04:11,319 --> 00:04:13,599 It was always in the back of my mind as a kid growing up. 38 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,000 Well, like I said, how cool is that? That's great? 39 00:04:17,199 --> 00:04:20,079 How much trouble did you have finding out what it was that you saw the 40 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:26,839 night of your encounter? Not too much, to be honest with you, 41 00:04:26,959 --> 00:04:30,759 It wasn't something that was ever on my radar. I really never heard of 42 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:35,480 dog man before growing up, especially on the West Coast. I mean, 43 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:41,439 I don't think it was something that people talked about, you know, werewolf 44 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:47,160 style cryptids. For me, it was always bigfoot. So to hear about 45 00:04:47,199 --> 00:04:50,800 it when I came out here in my saw, which we'll talk about a 46 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,959 little bit, it was just an eye opening experience. It was like a 47 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,240 floodgate opened up and I just started learning more and more about certain things that 48 00:04:58,959 --> 00:05:03,839 I didn't know really existed and possibilities of existing. So it was intriguing to 49 00:05:03,879 --> 00:05:08,959 stay the least, Oh, I'm sure it was. Yeah, there's life 50 00:05:08,959 --> 00:05:13,879 before you find out about dog men and definitely life after. Yeah. I 51 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,839 mean I always thought it was just Bigfoot and lockness monster and things like that. 52 00:05:16,879 --> 00:05:20,560 I didn't really think of like other dimension stuff that could be out there, 53 00:05:21,079 --> 00:05:25,199 you know, and find out there's even Mothman and all those kind of 54 00:05:25,199 --> 00:05:27,839 things in West Virginia. And I've been up there many times and heard the 55 00:05:27,879 --> 00:05:30,680 stories now that I lived on this side of the country, and it just 56 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,399 it was an eye opening experience. Well, if you don't know, you 57 00:05:34,439 --> 00:05:40,079 don't know, but I'm glad you know now. Yeah, were you able 58 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:44,959 to tell your mom about your encounter before she passed? I did, Actually, 59 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,600 it was I think it took me a couple of days to get the 60 00:05:48,639 --> 00:05:54,439 courage to do it. I remember calling her and mentioning it to her, 61 00:05:54,480 --> 00:06:00,240 and she was I don't think she knew about this particular cryptid, at least 62 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,680 not the way I saw it, but she's like, yeah, that's that's 63 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,519 interesting. And then the fact that I live out here in an area that's 64 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:11,600 Indian related, it started making her think about it more and more, and 65 00:06:11,639 --> 00:06:15,600 we talked about it for a little while about the experience, and she believed 66 00:06:15,639 --> 00:06:19,279 me, which was really nice to have someone in my family actually, you 67 00:06:19,319 --> 00:06:23,480 know, give me the satisfaction of actually listening and believing in what I was 68 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,240 saying. And I think I was crazy about it. So it was pretty 69 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,759 cool. It was nice to have my mom on my side. Oh, 70 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,560 I'm sure it was. Did you get the impression when you told her about 71 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:38,279 your encounter that she almost got a little excited because instead of being in books 72 00:06:38,319 --> 00:06:42,439 and on TV, now my son has actually had an encounter with a cryptid. 73 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,079 Yeah, I would say she was pretty excited. I think it got 74 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:47,720 her Jesus swelling, so to speak, where she was really thinking about it 75 00:06:47,759 --> 00:06:51,920 more and more about what was going on and the experience that I had, 76 00:06:51,959 --> 00:06:55,319 and then that it was actually something like you said, it wasn't in a 77 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:59,639 book. It was physically something you can almost touch, you know. So 78 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,879 it was kind of like I think, maybe a validation maybe for because now 79 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,279 it's like, like I said, I don't know if she actually ever had 80 00:07:06,319 --> 00:07:11,120 an experience with a big foot or encryptids, but now she can actually say, 81 00:07:11,199 --> 00:07:13,800 yeah, it's my son's had it, and mean she didn't even shared 82 00:07:13,839 --> 00:07:15,560 it. She can actually say yeah, and now I know that this is 83 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,160 true because my son doesn't lie to me, which I never lied to my 84 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:24,439 mom. Good Man. And also I'm sure she wore that like a bedge 85 00:07:24,439 --> 00:07:29,879 of honor. Yeah, she's a good woman. Well, considering how nice 86 00:07:29,879 --> 00:07:34,399 you are, I'm sure she was. Thank you, You're welcome. Would 87 00:07:34,399 --> 00:07:38,720 you say your encounter was the most frightening experience you've had in your life? 88 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:44,439 Will? And if not, what was? I would say it was weird? 89 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,800 It was it was unexpected. So I don't know if frightening is a 90 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:53,959 good word for it, but it was unexpected. I've had other situations where 91 00:07:55,079 --> 00:07:57,600 and I had to think about this more and more after we talked the first 92 00:07:57,639 --> 00:08:01,680 time, But I've had situations where I think they were more frightening to me 93 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:05,959 than this. This was just unexpected in it, something that came at me 94 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,480 that I had no control over. Is what kind of threw me for a 95 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:13,319 loop more than anything, So I wasn't. It didn't frighten me as much. 96 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:18,000 It just made me put me on my toes more, maybe more aware 97 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:22,480 of my surroundings more than I ever have been. I had a situation back 98 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:28,959 in California that I was out on a ride at night with some friends of 99 00:08:28,959 --> 00:08:35,039 mine. We were on a group patrol, and I swear I thought something 100 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:39,879 like we were riding in the dark with our lights, so you're on a 101 00:08:39,879 --> 00:08:43,320 single track trail, so you're probably bought a little over a foot and a 102 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:48,840 half to two feet size trail were riding their bikes. I was in the 103 00:08:48,879 --> 00:08:54,559 back of this three person group on these mountain bikes. It was probably around 104 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:58,960 twelve o'clock at night, and we were climbing this ridge and once I was 105 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,399 complete, drop off about thirty feet into some rocks and you didn't really you 106 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,320 couldn't see it because it was dark. On the other side, on the 107 00:09:05,399 --> 00:09:09,879 right side of me, there was just like these trees, and I remember 108 00:09:09,919 --> 00:09:13,200 this limb was pulled back and then thrown at me like on a tree, 109 00:09:13,279 --> 00:09:16,799 a sapling type tree, and it hit me in the face and I flew 110 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,720 off my bike. My bike and me went off the edge of the cliff 111 00:09:20,039 --> 00:09:24,960 into the dark. And I was more afraid of that than this dogman encountered 112 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,679 that I just had a couple of years ago. Because I had no control 113 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,720 of I had no idea what's happening. I thought maybe it was vertigo. 114 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,559 I don't know what it could have been, but I was in an area 115 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,080 that wasn't It was populated, but it wasn't populated at night, and I 116 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,519 was out of control and there's no reason for me. I was a great 117 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:46,480 bike handler. I should never have fallen off my bike the way I did. 118 00:09:46,759 --> 00:09:52,799 And that freaked me out. Well bet it did. That branch was 119 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,919 definitely pulled back and then let go. I believe it was because it was 120 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:01,759 no wind that night that we were riding. I couldn't tell you what time 121 00:10:01,759 --> 00:10:07,480 of the year it was. It is probably summertime. And there's no reason 122 00:10:07,519 --> 00:10:09,679 why that that limb was. My buddies didn't hit it. They were in 123 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,279 front of me. I was only like a bike lank behind them. We 124 00:10:13,279 --> 00:10:18,279 were doing a mountain patrol for a group called the Mountain Bike in the Santa 125 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:24,080 Monica Mountains for the National Park System and I was carrying medical which is pretty 126 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:28,480 funny because I wasn't want the medical pack and the radio and here I am 127 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:33,559 flying thirty feet into a ditch in the rocks like a cliff in the middle 128 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:37,440 of the night, and my buddies had to pull me out of this thing. 129 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:41,279 And I've never been so scared in my life because I don't know how 130 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:45,679 that tree hit like it just like swung back and slapped me in the face. 131 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:50,080 Knocked me right off my mountain bike. Wow, that is rough. 132 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,879 Were you hurt? Yeah, I was pretty banged up. We were about 133 00:10:54,919 --> 00:11:00,720 an hour intour our tour our ride and I think I hurt the the left 134 00:11:00,759 --> 00:11:03,759 side of my ribs got hit pretty bad. I kind of rolled onto my 135 00:11:03,799 --> 00:11:07,559 back where my medical pack was so that cushioned a lot of the fall of 136 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:09,440 but my mountain bike fell on top of me, and then my buddies had 137 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:13,200 to try to climb down and pull me. You get me out of that 138 00:11:13,279 --> 00:11:16,840 little canyon, and I didn't want them to call him, for anybody to 139 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,200 like medical to come get me, because we were kind of the medical out 140 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,440 there. I'm like, no, this would be too embarrassing. Just keep 141 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,960 me out of here. And they got me back up there, got back 142 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,000 on the bike. We finished our tour a couple hours later and that was 143 00:11:28,039 --> 00:11:31,639 it. But to this day, I don't know why that branch was flung 144 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,440 back at me and smacked me in the face. But I remember that like 145 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:39,360 it was yesterday. It was crazy. Sure, it does make you wonder 146 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:43,120 what did that then? I don't know. I know that there was mountain 147 00:11:43,159 --> 00:11:46,720 lions in the area. We had coyotes, no bear that I know of 148 00:11:46,759 --> 00:11:52,240 in that area. I don't know it was. I was just a weird, 149 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,360 weird thing that happened. Yeah, that's a good way to sum it 150 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:01,200 up. It kind of reminds me that Unseen from the movie Watchers. You 151 00:12:01,279 --> 00:12:05,000 ever seen that movie with Corey Haim. No, I've never seen that movie. 152 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:09,080 I've heard of it, but I've never seen it. There is a 153 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:15,840 lab that has this experimental combat mammal. It's kind of like a werewolf in 154 00:12:15,879 --> 00:12:18,919 a way, and in some ways it's not, but when it gets loose, 155 00:12:20,039 --> 00:12:22,879 it's basically trying to track down this dog that it's genetically tied to, 156 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:28,559 and it'll kill anyone or anything who is or that has come into contact with 157 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:33,960 that golden retriever. Well, Corey Haim winds up taken in the dog, 158 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:37,120 and since he has a dog with him and his family, then the X 159 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:41,799 com comes after him. And there's a scene in the movie where one of 160 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:48,679 his buddies is out in the woods riding with his friends. Well, the 161 00:12:48,039 --> 00:12:52,480 boys are riding and all of a sudden, that X Calm comes after them 162 00:12:52,519 --> 00:12:56,200 because Corey had been with them, and this branch just gets pulled back and 163 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:01,120 flung right into this kid's face and knocks him off the bike. It jumps 164 00:13:01,159 --> 00:13:05,440 on the kid and it kills him. But when you talked about what happened, 165 00:13:05,639 --> 00:13:07,000 it kind of took me back to that one scene in the movie and 166 00:13:07,039 --> 00:13:11,039 I thought, Wow, that's rough. Well, I'm glad nothing tried to 167 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:16,720 kill me. Just the rocks. Yeah, me too, Me too. 168 00:13:18,399 --> 00:13:20,360 If you've had a dog meant encounter, would like to speak with me about 169 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:24,759 it, whether I'm private or on the show, please go to dog Meant 170 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,279 Encounters dot com and submit a report. If you've had a bigfoot sighting and 171 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,600 we'd like to be a guest on one of my two bigfoot shows, please 172 00:13:31,639 --> 00:13:37,080 go to my Bigfoot Sighting dot com. All right, well, please tell 173 00:13:37,159 --> 00:13:39,720 us about your encounter. Now, give us every last detail that comes to 174 00:13:39,759 --> 00:13:46,039 mind. All right, I will. Well, it was I thinking around 175 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:50,320 twenty and twenty, just before the pandemic area timeframe. I went over to 176 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:56,480 a buddy's house. It was probably October ish, late October, I believe. 177 00:13:56,200 --> 00:14:00,639 I went to a friend's house who lived about six miles away from my 178 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:05,879 house. I lived on just the preferences. I lived on Lake Hartwell in 179 00:14:05,919 --> 00:14:09,679 the Upstate. They call it the Golden Triangle area. It's right on the 180 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:13,960 border of Georgia. Solavonia is the next city next to where I lived, 181 00:14:15,039 --> 00:14:18,919 and I lived in the town called Airplay, and so I lived right there 182 00:14:18,919 --> 00:14:22,279 on the lake. So across the lake which I lived on, I could 183 00:14:22,279 --> 00:14:24,600 see Georgia every day. It was just right across the lake. There was 184 00:14:24,639 --> 00:14:28,720 a state line. Well, my buddy, he lived about six miles away, 185 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,559 and he wanted we were. I was going to his house to help 186 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:35,360 him work on some motorcycles because that's something we do. We r at Harley's. 187 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:39,639 And so I went to his house. It was probably around four o'clock, 188 00:14:39,679 --> 00:14:43,360 five o'clock ish, and uh, we're working until pretty late. It 189 00:14:43,399 --> 00:14:46,879 was probably about eleven o'clock. So I had dinner at his house with his 190 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:52,360 wife, and I just had a good time just relaxing and being guys working 191 00:14:52,399 --> 00:14:56,039 on you know, car stuff and motorcycle stuff. And I got to the 192 00:14:56,039 --> 00:14:58,000 point where I was like, Okay, I'm gonna go home. Well, 193 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,559 I didn't ride my motorcycle to this house, which is a good thing in 194 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:05,120 my opinion. I drove my little convertible, and I had a Fiat five 195 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:11,159 hundred a barth so the roof was completely cloth, and the car's not that 196 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:16,039 big. It's a pretty small car, but this particular version of the of 197 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:18,519 the five hundred was really loud. It had open mufflers, and it was 198 00:15:18,519 --> 00:15:22,600 a little team Differently, it was faster than the regular five hundreds that were 199 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:26,600 out there from Fiat. Anyway, So I was driving home, probably around 200 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:30,799 eleven thirty at night, and I decided to take the long way, which 201 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:35,120 takes me down some scenic back country roads, because I didn't really want to 202 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,960 get home. I just kind of wanted to play around and just drive the 203 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:41,639 car and enjoy the night. It was a nice, cool evening. I 204 00:15:41,679 --> 00:15:46,360 think it was kind of clear, so it was nice. But I didn't 205 00:15:46,399 --> 00:15:48,960 put the top down. I left the top up in the car. And 206 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,399 I'm going down these farm areas in the back area with a lot of trees. 207 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:58,240 South Carolina's known for their trees and there their vegetation here. It's always 208 00:15:58,279 --> 00:16:04,320 green year round. And as I'm driving, I'm heading out towards our interstate, 209 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,879 which is Interstate eighty five. And what I was gonna do is gonna 210 00:16:07,879 --> 00:16:11,720 go all the way from his house to the interstate to the backway, get 211 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:15,120 on eighty five, and then get off the last exit, which is the 212 00:16:15,159 --> 00:16:18,919 exit where I lived off of which is High eleven or Exit one in South 213 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,480 Carolina, and then head back to my house. So I was taking a 214 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:26,960 longer route home, so I was driving that way. I got on the 215 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,440 Interstate, I looked onto the Highway eleven, which is known as the Cherokee 216 00:16:30,519 --> 00:16:37,840 Highway, and it goes past Hartwell State Park, which is a camping ground 217 00:16:37,039 --> 00:16:42,679 slash boat landing right there across from Georgia state line, and so I was 218 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:47,759 just passing that As I got on Highway eleven driving my car. I'm going 219 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:52,639 probably seventy miles an hour. Visibility was it was dark, but it was 220 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:56,000 very clear, so you can see pretty far up. And I had all 221 00:16:56,039 --> 00:16:57,559 my lights on my car, so I had five lights and all this other 222 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,559 stuff set up at night time so I can really see where I was going. 223 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,240 My biggest fear was a deer was going to run out in front of 224 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,799 me, so I wanted to make sure I could see anything in front of 225 00:17:06,799 --> 00:17:11,680 me before I made that transition home, so I didn't hit anything. Because 226 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,799 a lot of people are known to hit deer and said this area, especially 227 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:18,279 around that time at night, they liked to cross the Highway eleven a lot. 228 00:17:18,079 --> 00:17:22,599 So I'm driving, kind of mind my own business, listening to some 229 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:26,200 music and just kind of chilling thinking about what me and my buddy did, 230 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:27,480 you know, working on his bike so we can get ready for a run 231 00:17:27,559 --> 00:17:30,839 this weekend. We were I think it was a Thursday night that this happened, 232 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,759 So we were getting ready for a run on Saturday. We're all going 233 00:17:33,799 --> 00:17:41,480 to get together and ride our motorcycles. So as I'm driving, I kind 234 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:45,319 of noticed something on the right side of the road, on the side of 235 00:17:45,319 --> 00:17:48,079 the road. It wasn't in the road, but it was like off the 236 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:52,519 shoulder, probably about one hundred yards in front of me, just barely where 237 00:17:52,559 --> 00:17:56,279 my lights were hitting at the time, and there was a lot of movement, 238 00:17:56,319 --> 00:17:57,200 and I couldn't really tell what it was. I thought maybe it was 239 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:03,440 a deer. I didn't think anything of it. I'm from California, so 240 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:07,680 I didn't really think about slowing down. I just kind of was metamerized by 241 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:12,400 what I was looking at. And as I'm driving closer and closer whatever it 242 00:18:12,519 --> 00:18:15,519 was, noticed in my car and I think it hurt it, and my 243 00:18:15,599 --> 00:18:21,160 car is just loud. It makes a nice rumble and back pops and all 244 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:25,480 this kind of stuff with a vehicle. It poked its head up, looked 245 00:18:25,519 --> 00:18:30,000 at me, and then started coming towards me. And it started galloping, 246 00:18:30,799 --> 00:18:33,759 and I thought, that's really odd. I've never seen an animal just kind 247 00:18:33,759 --> 00:18:37,559 of come towards a moving vehicle. I've seen him go across the road and 248 00:18:37,599 --> 00:18:41,720 disappear, but never charge something. And it started picking up at speed. 249 00:18:42,599 --> 00:18:45,559 As I'm looking at it, I could tell that it was kind of like 250 00:18:45,599 --> 00:18:51,440 a dog style animal, but it looked so much bigger than any dog I've 251 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,759 ever seen in my life. And I'm thinking back to like when I was 252 00:18:53,839 --> 00:18:59,160 doing stuff in California in the woods, and I remember coyotes and how thin 253 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:03,720 and sickly they look, and I was looking at the structure of the ears, 254 00:19:03,759 --> 00:19:06,240 I could sell that it was kind of like a coyote slash wolf. 255 00:19:07,039 --> 00:19:11,759 We don't have wolves in this area South Carolina. So it really threw me 256 00:19:11,799 --> 00:19:17,119 for a loop. I was kind of freaking out because I wasn't. For 257 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:22,160 one, I'm driving this little car and I'm driving convertible, and I didn't 258 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:26,440 want to hit it, so I kept the speed up around seventy miles an 259 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,160 hour, and it was kept getting closer and closer to me. I could 260 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:33,079 see the eyes glowing like a yellowish tent, so I knew it was looking 261 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:37,559 at me as it was coming towards me. I did notice that the hair 262 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:44,319 on this animal was like a silver white, so it was really brilliant with 263 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:48,160 the concrete background and the dark behind it. So I could really see a 264 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:52,240 good look at this thing. And I noticed that it was almost as wide, 265 00:19:52,279 --> 00:19:56,920 if not as wide, as my car. My car is only about 266 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:00,200 a little over five feet wide. It's not very wide. It's a really 267 00:20:00,279 --> 00:20:03,240 narrow car, and I could tell that this thing was probably bigger than my 268 00:20:03,319 --> 00:20:07,279 car. And that's when I got freaked out a little bit or more concerned 269 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:14,079 at what was coming at me. This thing was coming quick, had a 270 00:20:14,079 --> 00:20:19,000 big, wide like shoulders behind the head, it had pointy ears. I 271 00:20:19,039 --> 00:20:22,960 didn't see any teeth, but I wasn't really paying attention to teeth, but 272 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,400 I was paying more attention to the size of this animal. And as it 273 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:30,440 was coming at me, and it was galloping towards me at a pretty fast 274 00:20:30,559 --> 00:20:33,759 rate, and my only concern at this point was, Okay, it's going 275 00:20:33,799 --> 00:20:37,640 to get off the road. It's going to ditch to the left of its 276 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,319 body and go back into the woods. And it never did it. Cape 277 00:20:40,599 --> 00:20:42,920 It actually got more into the side of the road in line with my car 278 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,799 than I thought it was going to. I thought it was just going to 279 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:49,640 go across the road or was going to ditch back into the woods. This 280 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:55,200 is a heavily wooded area. On the driver's side, You've got Lake Hartwell, 281 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,640 which is a very big lake, a lot of openings for animals to 282 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,000 come through there. We got a lot of d and things like that. 283 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:06,480 We even have bear up in this area, a lot of coyote type animals, 284 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:10,839 a lot of foxes, armadillo's, things like that, but nothingness like 285 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:15,039 this. For a second, I questioned that it could be like a some 286 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:19,000 kind of wolfhwn type thing, a domesticated dog, but it just was so 287 00:21:19,039 --> 00:21:23,880 big. Is There's just no way it was somebody's at And then it started 288 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,720 making me think as it was coming closer to me, could this animal be 289 00:21:27,799 --> 00:21:30,839 rabbited? Could it have rabies? And that's it sees me as a threat 290 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:36,200 and wants to attack me. So the movie Kunjo came to my head thinking 291 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,720 of that movie Kunjo, how Kunjo was attacking that lady in her car, 292 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,920 and I'm like this, this isn't good. I thought it was freaking me 293 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:49,920 out. As I got closer and closer to this creature, I got to 294 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,559 a point where I said, Okay, it's not going to move. I 295 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,200 don't have much in my car to protect me. By my handgun that I 296 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,119 keep in there at all times, which is only a nine millimeter, I 297 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,079 don't think this thing have done anything to it. And I hear stories about 298 00:22:02,079 --> 00:22:04,400 people talking about I had a gun on me and I was in the woods, 299 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,039 and you know, I don't think it would have done anything. I 300 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:11,119 just think that was silly to hear. I mean, it would do something, 301 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,920 But I got that impression that I looked at this creature coming towards me. 302 00:22:17,559 --> 00:22:18,839 Even my car wouldn't have done much to it. It probably would have 303 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,599 dented the garbage out of my car, but then I'd be in trouble and 304 00:22:22,599 --> 00:22:26,079 I'd be in the car with me, and I didn't want that, especially 305 00:22:26,079 --> 00:22:30,480 with the roof that I had. It was just a you know, open 306 00:22:30,559 --> 00:22:33,720 top roof. It just it would fall through and I'd be sitting there next 307 00:22:33,759 --> 00:22:36,599 to this thing, or it'd be on top of me, So I felt 308 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:41,240 really insecure about that. So those the only option I had was to continue 309 00:22:41,279 --> 00:22:44,240 to play chicken with this animal. And by the time I got to a 310 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,599 point where I knew I could swerve to the left on the oncoming traffic, 311 00:22:47,599 --> 00:22:49,960 which there's no traffic at night on this road. It was just me and 312 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:55,880 this animal. That was my safest and best bet to do. So what 313 00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:00,680 I did is once it got to about fifteen feet or so near me, 314 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,039 and I could see the massive size of it. It was tall. It 315 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:07,519 was big, tall, and just bulky. That's when I made the move 316 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:11,680 to swerve over to the left and then swerved directly back to the right right 317 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,160 away, so I got back in my lane. As I did that, 318 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,920 this animal came close to my right side of my car. I could tell 319 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:23,119 that it was taller than my window on my passenger side, and it was 320 00:23:23,319 --> 00:23:32,079 a real fluffy, clean it wasn't dirty fur of white and silver, and 321 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:33,559 I couldn't see the head. After that, I could barely say I couldn't 322 00:23:33,559 --> 00:23:36,799 see the back of this animal as it went past me. It was that 323 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:41,720 pall and as I got back into the other lane where I was originally going. 324 00:23:41,559 --> 00:23:44,680 I could see in the tail lights that it was behind me, and 325 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,319 it stopped, slowed down, and then went into the woods. Now at 326 00:23:48,319 --> 00:23:52,160 that point where I saw it, this was just after Hartwell State Park entrance 327 00:23:52,759 --> 00:23:56,240 that all this took place. There's an open area on the right of the 328 00:23:56,319 --> 00:24:00,400 open fields. Some people usually go out there and hunt, so there's a 329 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,640 lot of game animal out there. So it's possible that this thing was hunting 330 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,480 deer at the time, or it found road kill on the side of the 331 00:24:07,519 --> 00:24:10,680 road and I just drove up because it was on the side of the road 332 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,440 when I first saw this thing, and maybe I just interrupted it and it 333 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:18,240 freaked out and wanted me out of its area for it to continue eating what 334 00:24:18,279 --> 00:24:21,799 it was eating or hunting what it was hunting. But at that point I 335 00:24:21,839 --> 00:24:26,359 was only about two miles from my house. My house was only about like 336 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,720 an second exit from that area that this happened. And I got back to 337 00:24:30,799 --> 00:24:36,640 my house within like ten minutes or less. I roll up in my driveway. 338 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,480 Its overlooks the lake, and I just was shaking. I sat in 339 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:41,599 my car for a minute. I grabbed my gun and put it into my 340 00:24:42,039 --> 00:24:47,240 holster that I carry, and I got out of my car, cautiously looking 341 00:24:47,279 --> 00:24:51,359 around to make sure nothing was in my because I lived on a big acreage 342 00:24:51,559 --> 00:24:53,680 property. Make sure there was nothing around me, because I wasn't sure if 343 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,799 that thing followed me home. I got into my house and my mother in 344 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:02,240 law, who lives with us, we're taking care of her, she saw 345 00:25:02,279 --> 00:25:03,920 me and she can see that I was white as a ghost. I was 346 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,319 shaking. She's like, what's wrong. Did everything go okay at your buddy's 347 00:25:07,319 --> 00:25:11,559 house, Brad's house? So everything was fine at Brad's house. Had a 348 00:25:11,599 --> 00:25:14,480 situation. She's like, what happened? And I told it to her and 349 00:25:14,519 --> 00:25:18,319 she totally didn't bat an eye, didn't say that I was crazy. She's 350 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,759 like, Okay, it's all right, you're safe, you're home. I'm 351 00:25:22,759 --> 00:25:25,839 like, yeah, I'm home. But I just freaked me out. So 352 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,839 I sat there that night, couldn't sleep. I was on guard, thinking 353 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,519 something's going to be in our front yard or backyard, pacing around the house 354 00:25:33,559 --> 00:25:37,720 the whole night. So I was on edge over that. The next morning 355 00:25:37,759 --> 00:25:41,079 is when I started doing my research on this. I called a buddy of 356 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:45,240 mine at dr to see if there was any wild game out here that would 357 00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:48,799 match that description, and he said, no, we don't have wolves in 358 00:25:48,839 --> 00:25:52,680 this area, so that doesn't make any sense to me. So I was 359 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,039 probably a domesticated dog, like a New Ferland or something, a big dog, 360 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,240 and I'm like, I don't think it was a New Ferland. And 361 00:26:00,279 --> 00:26:02,880 I'm like, I think it might have been rabbit because I talked to my 362 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,759 d and our friend like a week before that, because I had a raccoon 363 00:26:04,759 --> 00:26:10,640 in my yard had rabies, so I was already ready to dispatch that if 364 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:15,759 I had to it got in our yard because we have dogs, and he 365 00:26:15,799 --> 00:26:17,960 said, no, we don't have anything like that. So I started doing 366 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:22,799 my research online. It's about when I found your podcasts started listening to it, 367 00:26:23,279 --> 00:26:27,279 and I heard an episode where a young lady had the same similar situation, 368 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,480 not in this area, but more Midwest, I believe, where she 369 00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:37,359 drove up on a dog man doing the same thing, almost And when I 370 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,559 heard that story, it made me remember mine, and it made me kind 371 00:26:41,559 --> 00:26:44,960 of back where I was before. My skin just went white. So I 372 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,920 was listening to it in my car and I'm like, oh my gosh, 373 00:26:48,079 --> 00:26:51,720 I'm not the only one who's had the same experience. This is crazy. 374 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:56,759 And I remember calling my buddy who I was with the night before, and 375 00:26:57,039 --> 00:27:03,240 his office wasn't too far where this situation happened, and he was telling me, 376 00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:06,119 He's like, yeah, about a week before you saw this thing. 377 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,359 Me and my boss, we were driving in our big four f two fifty. 378 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:15,119 That's pretty jacked up. It's an off road vehicle. He said, 379 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,480 we saw something that matches the description, and it was something we could looked 380 00:27:18,519 --> 00:27:22,079 at each other. And it was during the day and he couldn't They couldn't 381 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,119 figure it out. Made no sense to him. But he wasn't the kind 382 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:30,640 of guy who's going to go start talking about cryptids and big foot. And 383 00:27:30,519 --> 00:27:33,119 he was my buddy that me and him went hunting all the time, and 384 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,400 he knew I was a big foot fan and I believe in bigfoot, and 385 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,079 so he'd always kind of make fun of me tongue in cheek about it, 386 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:42,079 like, hey, watch out for big fun. I'm gonna put you in 387 00:27:42,079 --> 00:27:45,319 this tree stand, you know, keep your keep your wits with you. 388 00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:49,160 But when he saw that, and after I mentioned it to him, he 389 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,279 broke down and told me about an experience that he saw with this animal, 390 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,000 and it was similar, but it didn't chase them. But they remember seeing 391 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,920 it on the side of the road going into the bushes, and it was 392 00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:02,440 massive. He said he would fill the back of his truck it was so 393 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:07,160 big. Oh. That kind of validated how I felt like I wasn't imagining 394 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:11,960 this situation. I wasn't tired when I was driving home from his house that 395 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:17,480 night that we actually saw the same creature, the same color, same everything, 396 00:28:17,559 --> 00:28:21,960 same build. His was just more towards dusk time was still light out. 397 00:28:22,319 --> 00:28:23,599 Mine was just at night, and I saw it with my head lights 398 00:28:23,599 --> 00:28:29,119 on my car. So, and to this day, I still drive that 399 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,720 route. I moved away for a while, and I just recently moved back 400 00:28:32,759 --> 00:28:34,799 to this area. I don't live exactly in that same area, but I'm 401 00:28:34,839 --> 00:28:40,759 only about six miles away from it, and I'll still go out there and 402 00:28:40,839 --> 00:28:44,519 drive that same route looking for this creature to see if it's still out there. 403 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,400 What if you have another encounter of that doesn't go so well, Well, 404 00:28:49,079 --> 00:28:52,279 I'm more prepared now than I was before. I just put that way. 405 00:28:52,319 --> 00:28:57,039 I guess I don't know. I'm not. It doesn't frighten me. 406 00:28:59,599 --> 00:29:03,319 It didn't trigues me. It makes me wonder this is really out there? 407 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,160 What else is out there? But this is the one thing that I've seen, 408 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,279 so is something I truly believe in. I'm not. You know, 409 00:29:08,279 --> 00:29:11,720 they call you a believer if you believe in Bigfoot, but you're a knower 410 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,240 if you've seen it. Well, I've seen this creature and it's not doesn't 411 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,559 match any creature that's ever come across my path before. So I believe in 412 00:29:19,599 --> 00:29:23,119 dog Man. I know it's there. And I've done a lot of research 413 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,160 in this area and some things have popped up in this area regarding dog Man, 414 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,319 and I've talked to a bunch of people in the area about it. 415 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:36,839 And there's some strange stuff that goes on here in this area in South Carolina 416 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:44,200 that I don't think really gets reported or talked about enough. That is interesting, 417 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,279 especially when it comes to cryptids. But I know that dog Man was 418 00:29:48,319 --> 00:29:49,480 out there. I mean, I'm not the only one who seen this one. 419 00:29:51,519 --> 00:29:52,759 Well, like you said, you're not a believer, now you're a 420 00:29:52,839 --> 00:30:00,359 knower. You know they're out there. I do, And it to make 421 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,279 me think back in the past where I've been in different areas across this country 422 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,119 doing certain stuff that I've done in the past, you know, like the 423 00:30:07,119 --> 00:30:11,920 mountain bike thing, and I've done a lot of wildlife photography in Idaho and 424 00:30:12,039 --> 00:30:17,000 Utah in Montana. It makes me wonder what was around me when I was 425 00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:19,440 out there doing these things, because I've been around a lot of situations where 426 00:30:19,839 --> 00:30:23,279 I've heard things that didn't make any sense. I didn't see anything, but 427 00:30:23,319 --> 00:30:26,119 I heard stuff that didn't sound like any animals that I've ever heard of before. 428 00:30:27,119 --> 00:30:30,759 But now I've got this experience that I had here in South Carolina, 429 00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:34,680 which I would never have thought i'd ever have. That now makes me kind 430 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:40,160 of wonder when I'm out in the woods, I'm out hunting or something like 431 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,559 that, or even ride my motorcycle, what's around me, what's watching me? 432 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,480 And it just keeps me more on my guard, more so than I 433 00:30:47,519 --> 00:30:51,880 ever been before. It's not a comforting thought. But while you've been out 434 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,640 hunting and doing other things like that, they've probably been watching any more times 435 00:30:55,640 --> 00:31:00,279 than you'd ever believe. I believe that, Yeah, animals are smarter than 436 00:31:00,319 --> 00:31:03,759 we are sometimes when it comes to being in their territory. We're visitors, 437 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:10,680 oh no doubt. Yeah, we definitely are Were you upset with Brad for 438 00:31:10,759 --> 00:31:15,160 not telling you about his encounter before you told him about having years. No, 439 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,000 I'm not at all. It was it was actually kind of it was 440 00:31:18,079 --> 00:31:22,039 neat, It was nice. I actually was going through his texts before our 441 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,680 interview here. I went back to the very beginning of when I first met 442 00:31:26,759 --> 00:31:30,920 him, and we've started texting each other, becoming friends and building that relationship 443 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,839 that we had. It was our bond was as strong as family. We 444 00:31:33,839 --> 00:31:38,680 were brothers. If you knew Brad, you would know that he's the kind 445 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:45,599 of guy that if he saw something, and it was truly something he saw, 446 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,160 he probably wouldn't tell anybody unless it was somebody who was more interested in 447 00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:56,000 in what he saw than just telling somebody on the street. Just the validation 448 00:31:56,039 --> 00:31:57,839 of him filling in some of the blanks before I even mentioned them to him, 449 00:31:57,839 --> 00:32:04,160 like the color of the side, the mannerism of this creature made me 450 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,079 feel so much more closer to him about it. I just wish he was 451 00:32:07,559 --> 00:32:15,680 still with us today. Sorry. No, I totally understand, and I'm 452 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,039 so sorry to hear that he passed. Sounds like he was a great guy, 453 00:32:19,119 --> 00:32:21,720 and I think you were lucky to have him as a friend, just 454 00:32:21,799 --> 00:32:25,319 like he was lucky to have you. Yeah, it was just if you 455 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,640 knew Brad, he would know that he's not the kind of person and would 456 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,440 embellish or talk about something he never if he didn't see it, he didn't 457 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:37,160 see it, he wouldn't say a thing. Before I met him, this 458 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:38,519 is how he knew me. I came in and said, hey, you, 459 00:32:39,079 --> 00:32:43,720 I hear you're an avid hunter. This is before we became really close. 460 00:32:43,759 --> 00:32:45,000 I'm like, you're an avid hunter. Have you seen anything strange in 461 00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:50,880 the woods. I mean, I know you're a patterned You're out there before 462 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,640 the sun comes up and hours after the sun goes down, and you're usually 463 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,680 in the middle of places that no one even goes out to have you had 464 00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,799 to have seen something. And he's like, no, I have never seen 465 00:32:59,799 --> 00:33:02,519 a nothing that freaks me out. I'm like, okay, and I believe 466 00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:08,359 you. And then after just talking to him about the situation and hearing his 467 00:33:09,079 --> 00:33:15,119 side of it, really validated that he did see this. It wasn't something 468 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,480 that I made up in my mind, and it's not something he embellished in 469 00:33:19,559 --> 00:33:22,599 his It just made me feel closer to him. It was a good thing. 470 00:33:22,599 --> 00:33:29,559 And we we've done a lot of hunting down in Santee State Park for 471 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:34,279 deer and things like that, and we as we're driving out there, we 472 00:33:34,319 --> 00:33:37,079 would talk about it a little bit about the situation, and he mostly bring 473 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:43,440 up big foots. He knows how I would love to witness one, and 474 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,559 he would just you know, kind of like a brother, kind of chiding 475 00:33:46,559 --> 00:33:49,960 me in the ribs, you know, hey, maybe you'll see your big 476 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,079 foot. So he was a good person. He was a great friend, 477 00:33:53,119 --> 00:33:57,519 a great brother. He was always there for me, which was awesome. 478 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,880 So it was just neat that we actually have that expers together. Even though 479 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,359 that we weren't together, we had the same experience still, which was really 480 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,800 cool to know. Yeah that it is, yeah, something I'm sure you 481 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:12,280 never thought you two would share, But that wound up being the keys. 482 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,800 Yeah. Did Brad having his encounter then about a week later, you having 483 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:22,000 years, did that seem to affect his interest in going out and hunting alone 484 00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:25,559 and heading into the woods or was the business as usual? That was business 485 00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:30,800 as usual, that that man was a hunter. He had three him, 486 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:35,360 he had four things. It was his family, his wife and grandkids. 487 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:40,519 It was God motorcycles, and hunting. God was always first, but it 488 00:34:40,519 --> 00:34:45,119 didn't always go in that order. So when hunting season came around, he 489 00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:51,039 basically told his wife, when hunting seasons here, that's that's what I'm gonna 490 00:34:51,039 --> 00:34:52,280 be doing. I'll be out hunting every day. And he would be out 491 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,559 on every day. Nothing would slow that man down. But he'd always be 492 00:34:55,599 --> 00:34:59,920 at church on Sunday. He may come in in camouflage, but he was 493 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,519 always in church, so he always knew he was out hunting the morning before 494 00:35:02,559 --> 00:35:06,599 he came to church. That was just the kind of man he was. 495 00:35:07,679 --> 00:35:12,880 But he was a strong man. He was only forty nine. Unfortunately, 496 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,599 he passed away from cancer and hit him pretty fast. But even to like 497 00:35:16,639 --> 00:35:22,800 the last last couple before he passed away, we ended up hunting season. 498 00:35:23,519 --> 00:35:29,000 He died in February. Hunting season was over at the end of December, 499 00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:31,559 so we were still hunting in December. The last week he was alive, 500 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,119 I took him out on the lake. He told me, I want to 501 00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:39,599 go out fishing before I leave, and I got the opportunity to take him 502 00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:44,039 out on the lake and fish with him. His last time, which was 503 00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:46,920 only a couple of days before he passed and he insisted on driving that boat 504 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:52,280 back. He wanted to feel the wind in his hair, the freedom. 505 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:59,960 He wanted to remember how it felt, that excitement that he always had, 506 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,639 and that was Brad. The one thing he didn't get a chance to do 507 00:36:02,679 --> 00:36:07,639 is get back on his motorcycle, which was pretty sad. But this was 508 00:36:07,679 --> 00:36:10,960 pretty close for him because you could have pictures of him and his head's back 509 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:15,880 and he's just driving that boat like he stole it. He was enjoying life 510 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:20,079 as much as he could. I know, it really hurts to think about 511 00:36:20,119 --> 00:36:22,840 that last ride in the boat and him not being able to take that last 512 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:27,719 ride on his motorcycle. There will, but please don't lose sight of the 513 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,920 fact. Just to imagine what he's doing now. Boat rides, motorcycle rides, 514 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:38,840 no comparison at all. Please remember that everything's totally fine. Yeah, 515 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:44,719 he's a strong guy and he made a huge impact on the people around him. 516 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,599 I mean, I lived my life just like Brad lived his. I 517 00:36:47,639 --> 00:36:51,559 think that's why we got along so well. He made fun of me from 518 00:36:51,559 --> 00:36:55,400 being on the West coast, but we were basically inseparable. Yeah, it 519 00:36:55,400 --> 00:37:00,239 sounds like you were. I'm so glad you got to meet him and Ice 520 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:06,039 versa, Yeah, thanks, you're welcome. When I was running towards you 521 00:37:06,119 --> 00:37:10,079 will, did it look awkward or smooth? It was fluid, so I'd 522 00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:15,000 say smooth and a cadence with it's gallop, I guess you could say it 523 00:37:15,039 --> 00:37:19,960 almost remember of a thoroughbred. I have dogs here at the house on my 524 00:37:20,039 --> 00:37:22,559 property. I've got a pretty good sized property, and I watched them run 525 00:37:22,599 --> 00:37:25,519 around, and my dogs look awkward. Next to how this thing came at 526 00:37:25,559 --> 00:37:30,800 me, it was just unnatural. It was an unnatural thought. When I 527 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,159 looked at this thing coming at me, it just didn't make any sense, 528 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,599 especially when it got closer and the size really came into you know, into 529 00:37:37,679 --> 00:37:43,280 view. It was so big it filled basically my windshield. The size of 530 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:47,440 this thing. It was crazy. I'm just you know, they say things 531 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,599 like, you know, the first time you see something that's you know, 532 00:37:51,679 --> 00:37:54,119 bigger than what you think it is in person, and you just go, 533 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,840 Okay, that doesn't make sense. But when you do see it, you're 534 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,320 like, oh my gosh, that was crazy. I just your brain doesn't 535 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,920 compute. I think that's what freaked me out, and that's probably why I 536 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,440 went white as a ghost. Just because my brain couldn't figure it out. 537 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:12,079 It couldn't translate what I was looking at. But it was smooth. It 538 00:38:12,159 --> 00:38:15,360 was running very smooth. Did it seem to have a shoulders up posture, 539 00:38:15,519 --> 00:38:21,760 like its arms were quite a bit longer than its back legs. It's possible. 540 00:38:22,119 --> 00:38:23,760 I mean, I saw it coming at me. I didn't see it 541 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:28,719 really much of the side until I passed around it. But it did look 542 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:34,280 like it had longer legs in the front than say, like a regular If 543 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,280 you look at a regular dog, the doctor pretty much proportioned almost identical front 544 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:42,079 and back. Back legs are just a little smaller. But the legs on 545 00:38:42,119 --> 00:38:45,400 the front they did seem massive. They seemed thick, and they did seem 546 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:50,320 a little longer than normal because it took some The stride coming towards me was 547 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,719 just it was effortless. Yeah, that's a site you're never going to forget. 548 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:59,039 No, did you notice a hump on its back as it was coming 549 00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:02,679 right at you. There might have been a slight hump, but the shoulders. 550 00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:06,679 Looking at it, it would just looked odd. It looked broader than 551 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,960 me, and it didn't make sense. It didn't really see a hump on 552 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,280 it, per se, But it could have been because its head was going 553 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,360 up and down as it was running towards me, So that's hard to really 554 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:21,800 say if it did or not. Well, Also, you had so many 555 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,159 things going through your mind. I mean, no one could fault you for 556 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:28,880 not picking up on that, just like this next question. It's a tall 557 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,440 water, but could you tell if it was running on its knuckles or on 558 00:39:31,519 --> 00:39:40,800 its pads? M that's a good question. I would would have thought it 559 00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:45,480 was this pads, but I wasn't paying close enough attention to its feet per 560 00:39:45,519 --> 00:39:50,719 se. I just knew that it wasn't. It wasn't slipping when it was 561 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,239 running, so it had some pretty good grip. And if anybody knows South 562 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:59,519 Carolina roads, we've got a lot of potholes. It was fluid, but 563 00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:00,840 I don't know if it was on its knuckles or if it was on its 564 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:05,400 pads. Well, like I said, no one could fault you for that. 565 00:40:05,679 --> 00:40:08,280 You're doing good to know your own name. If you'd like to be 566 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:13,119 able to listen to the show without ads and have full access to bonus content, 567 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,760 that's an option to find out how, please go to dog Meant Encounters 568 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:22,599 dot com. Forward Slash podcast. If you would have had your top down 569 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,639 the top on your car, do you think that would have changed how this 570 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:31,119 encounter played out. It's possible, but I still would have done the same 571 00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:34,400 thing I did, so I think I could have got around it. But 572 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,639 it made me think more about my decisions on what I wanted to do. 573 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,239 For a minute there, I thought, well, maybe I should just stop 574 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,840 and just see what it does. You know, I could stop continuing driving, 575 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,440 let us stay where it was at. And then when it started coming 576 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,199 towards me, I'm like, well, it made my decision for me. 577 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,159 I can't stop. I don't want to stop and have this thing circle the 578 00:40:55,199 --> 00:41:00,079 car and then find out that I didn't have a hard top roof on it. 579 00:41:00,559 --> 00:41:04,960 So if the top was down, which typically i'd almost have to say 580 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,519 when I had that car, which I don't have it anymore. When I 581 00:41:07,559 --> 00:41:12,199 had that car, I drove with the top down eighty percent of the time 582 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,360 when it was a good night, just because I liked having the top down. 583 00:41:15,039 --> 00:41:19,760 But for some reason I didn't put the top down that night. I 584 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,960 just left it up, And I don't think it would have changed anything, 585 00:41:24,159 --> 00:41:30,519 just because of the way I had to move around it. But if I 586 00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:32,119 did, all of a sudden hit it, I was more afraid it was 587 00:41:32,159 --> 00:41:36,639 going to fall through the roof of that car and land in my lap and 588 00:41:36,679 --> 00:41:40,000 then do whatever it was gonna do to me, and there would have been 589 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,960 no way I could have gotten it out of the car. I don't know 590 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,000 if I could have gotten out of the car being seatbelted in and have that 591 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:50,519 thing on top of me, that would have been a disaster. Yeah, 592 00:41:50,559 --> 00:41:54,000 that wouldn't have been a good scene. No, you said that you're only 593 00:41:54,039 --> 00:41:58,920 two miles from home at the time. It sounds to me like you didn't. 594 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,840 But did you drive straight home or take a circuitous route? I actually 595 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,079 kind of drove straight home. There's a couple of entrants I could take to 596 00:42:07,079 --> 00:42:10,440 get to my house at the time, but I took the first exit to 597 00:42:10,519 --> 00:42:15,920 get there, which is more of a backcountry way to do it. But 598 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,559 I wanted to get home as quick as possible and get out of my car 599 00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:22,320 and into the safety of my house, which sounds kind of funny, but 600 00:42:22,679 --> 00:42:24,559 I didn't want to be outdoors at that point. I wanted to be in 601 00:42:24,639 --> 00:42:29,440 where I can breathe and decompressed and trying to think of what just happened, 602 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:34,719 because it didn't make any sense. I'm just glad my family was there because 603 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,239 I would have been stuck there by myself thinking about it all night. But 604 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,639 it did help to have someone to talk to you right away about it. 605 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:45,639 Oh, I'm sure it did. Yeah, it normally does. Did anything 606 00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:47,800 ever happen to you around your house and makes you think that it just might 607 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:54,639 have followed you home? Not really. I was more aware of what was 608 00:42:54,679 --> 00:43:00,239 going on. I know. I have a dog at home that any time 609 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:04,159 anything would walk around the house, it would be on alert. We'd have 610 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,039 a deer come through our property twice a day, if not more, but 611 00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:10,519 mostly twice a day. You'd notice some of the mornings and the evenings. 612 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,679 And then sometimes there's some trails behind the house that aren't too far from my 613 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:20,519 bedroom window. My dog slept with me on the bed, and he'd get 614 00:43:20,519 --> 00:43:24,480 all excited and start growling and kind of wake me up, and I'd kind 615 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:29,239 of get up and make sure everything was secure at the house in the middle 616 00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,599 of the night. But that was kind of an ongoing thing that always happened 617 00:43:34,039 --> 00:43:37,199 because of wildlife that would walk around our house. We didn't have fences or 618 00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:40,519 anything like that. It's an open area directly to the lake, and our 619 00:43:40,519 --> 00:43:44,679 house overlooked the lake, so it was a perfect place for animals to go 620 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,920 through in all hours. So I was always kind of on guard. If 621 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,480 my dog started growling and started running around the house a little bit, then 622 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,320 I'd get more keyed up, and that's when I would pay more attention. 623 00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:59,079 But that was an ongoing thing, so i'd have to say no. I 624 00:43:59,199 --> 00:44:02,519 was always ready for whatever. We didn't really have neighbors in my neighborhood that 625 00:44:02,559 --> 00:44:07,360 I lived at. It was kind of a secluded area, so it was 626 00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,880 like our house and then the nearest neighbor was pretty far away. It was 627 00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:15,880 mostly a vacation area, so people from out of state would go there and 628 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,559 vacation during the good times of the year. They'd be on the lake and 629 00:44:19,599 --> 00:44:22,239 we'd be there year round, so we didn't really have neighbors all year round 630 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:27,079 all the time. So it was it was a quiet, very quiet place 631 00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,880 which I could. I actually really liked a lot, so I was always 632 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:35,960 kind of something would drive around the neighborhood, I'd be paying attention, who's 633 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,800 this type attitude. Same with animals. We'd have foxes, running through our 634 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:45,119 yard and never seen red foxes before, and they'd be in our yard and 635 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:50,519 I'd be like taking notice a certain wildlife that Living in California near the beach, 636 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,079 I never saw things like that, So it was it was kind of 637 00:44:53,159 --> 00:44:57,559 nice to be in nature. Sounds like a great place to live. I 638 00:44:57,559 --> 00:45:00,480 can understand what you did like living there and it was awesome. My wife 639 00:45:00,519 --> 00:45:04,400 hated it, but I loved it. Yeah, I can understand what you 640 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,880 did. You're a religious man, will did your encounter have an effect on 641 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:13,960 your religious beliefs? Not really. It just kind of made me know that 642 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,760 there are God's made a lot of different animals and creatures out there. We're 643 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:22,920 not the only ones. It maybe made me closer to God, I guess, 644 00:45:22,679 --> 00:45:25,639 but I was already pretty close to him as it is. So it 645 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:31,320 just made me realize that if they're out there and He created them, we'll 646 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:37,119 run across them someday when it's the time's right. I guess. Is that 647 00:45:37,159 --> 00:45:39,159 what you think? They are? Just a flesh and blood creature that is 648 00:45:39,159 --> 00:45:44,039 out there trying to make a living. Yeah, I guess you could say 649 00:45:44,039 --> 00:45:46,559 that. I don't believe in the supernatural stuff. I believe it more like 650 00:45:46,679 --> 00:45:51,679 flesh and blood. I believe if that animal would have jumped on my car, 651 00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,519 it would have fell through and landed on me. I don't think it 652 00:45:53,559 --> 00:45:57,880 would have went through my car like an apparition, so to speak, or 653 00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:02,159 a ghost. I think it was a real flesh eating, breathing animal. 654 00:46:04,519 --> 00:46:07,559 That's what my eyes saw, That's what I felt when it went past me. 655 00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,840 I don't believe it was something other than that. So yeah, I 656 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:15,800 think there was an animal. It was a flesh and blood creature that could 657 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,880 die. I figured, you know, just like I could if I got 658 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,840 hurt. Well, that makes two of us. I'm pretty sure if it 659 00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,599 fell on your car that it would have fallen into the cabin of the car 660 00:46:25,639 --> 00:46:30,320 and caused all sorts of problems for you. So yeah, thank goodness that 661 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:34,880 didn't happen. Yeah, let's spout time for us to get out, if 662 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,880 your will, But before we do, do you have any closing comments you'd 663 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:42,599 like to share? I would just say, you know, pay attention to 664 00:46:42,599 --> 00:46:45,880 where you're at at all times, keep your eyes scanned, don't don't be 665 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:51,360 playing with your phones. I think that's where a lot of people miss things. 666 00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:55,320 These days were so tied into our technology that when you're out in your 667 00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:59,519 car, or on a motorcycle, or even walking through the woods, enjoy 668 00:46:59,559 --> 00:47:02,639 your surround ownings, pay attention because you may see something you didn't know was 669 00:47:02,679 --> 00:47:07,679 there. Yeah. Just imagine how many things people miss going down on the 670 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:12,320 road because they've got their noses tucked away in their cell phones, even on 671 00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:17,360 motorcycles sometimes yeah exactly. Yeah, who knows how much they miss. But 672 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,599 having said that, I can't thank you enough for coming on sharing the details 673 00:47:22,599 --> 00:47:25,920 of that experience with this will. I really appreciate it. Well, thank 674 00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:30,480 you, I appreciate Let me tell the story what happened to me. Well, 675 00:47:30,519 --> 00:48:00,719 you're welcome, Thanks again so much, and have a great night on