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Well, I'm really happy to bring
into the podcast today the excellent junior Wealth

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the Rate star Ryan Garcia. Ryan, we're here to talk about your very

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important flight with Oscar Dewark coming up
December second, live on his own from

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the Toyota Center in Houston. I
wondered about your comeback. We'll talk about

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that. How are you doing.
Thank you so much for being on today.

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Yeah, thank you for having me
doing great Chinese gondwell and everything is

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running smoothly. So let's get into
it. Let's get into it. So

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we'll start off, we'll just backtrack
a little bit before we get into the

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fight you got coming up. I
want to go back to April. Maybe

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not your greatest memory, but you
did have a huge pay per view fight

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with Tank Davis did big business,
one point two million pay per view buys,

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a gate in THEVA of almost twenty
three million dollars. But that was

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the good news. The bad news, of course, you know, he

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did get the seventh round knockout.
I just wondered if you could talk to

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me about what it was like to
sort of get over your first loss and

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being involved in such a massive event
for the sport. You know it wasn't.

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It wasn't devastating for me. You
know, I just didn't feel that

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was me at my best. It
wasn't me at my best. It wasn't

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something that even hurt my ego a
little bit. It was just something that

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I went through because at that point, I didn't have this type of focus.

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I didn't have this type of dedication
or commitment to the game. You

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know, Ever since twenty twenty,
what happened, COVID happened, had to

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take some time off, and after
CAMVO, I took a year and a

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half off, and then I'm fighting
that I'm not fighting. There was just

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so much chaos and just things that
through my game, off my game,

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and I lost the love, and
I lost the commitment and the focus for

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boxing, and I started doing stupid
stuff, and then I started losing who

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I was and how I fight.
What kind of stupid stuff were you doing?

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What do you mean by that?
Man? Like drinking and doing doing

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whatever I wanted. I was a
younger, I could do whatever, you

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know, would I would go parties, you know, Jake Ball parties and

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just doing whatever I want. I
was having fun. But it caught up

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to me because you know, after
I took those long layoffs. You know,

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how can I stay in the gym? How can I wasn't doing anything

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but just having fun. So you
know, those things backtracked me a lot

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and really caused me to you know, not be the best fighter. But

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this fight, when I lost,
it woke up something else. It woke

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up you know, me to think. I had to start thinking like,

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Okay, what is what is missing
here? Because I know I'm good.

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I know I'm a great fighter.
I know that wasn't how I fight,

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Like, what's going on? I
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it was just my commitment. So
when I got to Dallas, got

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out of l A, l A
got a lot of distractions. I got

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to Dallas and just committed to committed, like like, I just trusted that

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if I commit and just stay in, locked in, that myself will come

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out something like I'll figure it out. And that's what happened, man,

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And that loss. I'm not even
worried about it at all. I feel

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I feel great right now. One
four is definitely my weight class more forty

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at more forty seven, I'm pretty
confident that I'm gonna start taking over a

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little by little. Well, you
mentioned about you knowing your weight class.

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Of course, when you fought Tank, the weight was one hundred and thirty

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six, you know do you had
to drop down a few pounds at a

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catchwaight, And on top of that, you had to deal with the rehydration

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clause that you agreed to the weigh
in on the morning of the fight,

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so you were limited how much you
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Uh In, looking back, you
regret signing that part of the agreement and

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insisting on better weight for you.
No, I don't regret it at all.

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Because boxing was born, nobody wanted
to box, nobody wanted to fight.

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You know, look at me,
me, not even at my best.

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I was ready to give the fans
what they want. You know.

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That kind of started a whole thing
where, you know, you finally crawl

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from the spence figured it out and
they threw down and people started, you

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know, caring about boxing the game. But then when fighters stopped fighting each

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other again, then they looked to
these weird fights like Dean the Great and

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these random news that that that suck
at boxing. And look at at least

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I brought some excitement in it,
you know what I mean? At least

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energy to the city. Wasn't my
best performance in actually wasn't need to be.

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But still that was the purpose of
that. I'm tired of boxing was

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born now? Now? Is popp
now ready now? Because now everybody wants

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got a little bit of balls now
to fight Finally, because they seem it's

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a new blueprint. I showed them. Give the fans what they want to

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make some good money. This is
how you do pay per views. Every

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fight gotta be on pay per view, only the ones that Matt That's that's

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the whole concept. Yeah, people
got a I mean, you were successful

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before the Tank Davis. You were
making good purses and you were very popular

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selling tickets. But I just wonder
when you have your first really big pay

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per view fight like that, is
a y'all overwhelmed by the money that gets

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made. I mean I heard Oscar
talk about how you may have made as

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much as thirty million dollars for the
fight with Tank Davis. Obviously it did

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a huge amount of business, and
if you made it even close to that,

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I gotta believe that is a record
perse for a fighter that never won

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a world title. Yeah, was
it overwhelming to make that kind of money.

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I mean, I know it's the
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that's a big deal. No,
it was insane. I think I did

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make history on making the most money
without a world title efference, and I

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did make that. I mean to
make it very clear, I did make

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that, and I was I was
very astonished. I was like, whoa

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like, I was overwhelmed with it. I couldn't believe it was in my

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bank account. And by the way, the money is still going to be

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coming in because the paper used takes
some time to count. It's still it's

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still rolling in. We're still receiving
checks too. But that's just a blessing

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and it's just to me in points
of the direction world, I'm selling everybody.

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You know, there's a new blueprint, and I have figured it out.

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I just didn't have a chance to
fight on pay per view, you

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know. I the old model just
doesn't work. You can't put on every

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final pay per view. It doesn't
work like that, you know. And

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on top of it, you know, Tank Davis is only doing two hundred

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k boys one hundred and fifty KOs. That's the true. And then we

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fight one point. It's you know, it's not hard to tell, but

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yeah, it was a little overwhelming, a lot of money, a lot

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of things that you face with that. You know people you don't know what

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their intentions are anymore, and then
you just like oh choo, like like

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I'm like guarded up, but I'm
also like such an open book. So

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it's like kind of weird. Like
everybody. I'm not one to give a

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lot of advice to fighters, but
my one piece of advice after all the

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years I've done this is learn the
word no. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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for sure, That's what I've been
learning. I can't make no more

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compromises. Man, I'm just saying
no, can't do it. I'm sorry.

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All right, So back on boxing. The business is interesting. But

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in terms of the boxing, of
course, after the fight you split up

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with Joe Goosen, who is the
trainer UH for for that fight as well

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as some of your fights prior to
that, you went UH and worked with

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Derek James. Uh got the blessing
of Errol Spence and now part of that

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gym down there working with Derek.
If you could just tell me how was

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that going? And I wonder what
is what has Derek showed you or brought

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to you that's maybe something different or
better than what Joe had with you.

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Uh. Honestly, me and Derek, Uh, you know, Derek's been

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been really working with me about technique
and just kind of polishing what I do

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up uh, and footwork and a
lot of things. That's what you really

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wanted to focus on, footward footwork, technique, technique. So he was

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drilling in the beginning of the character. That's all I was doing. If

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you see the videos, I wasn't
going fast, I wasn't thought hard.

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It was just technique, technique,
technique. And then on top of it,

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you know, he's he's always reminded
me of not let up, Like

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if I have a good day.
He just called me right now, that's

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what I to ignore. But he's
always called me to say, stop letting

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it, don't let up just because
he had a good day. I don't

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care if you had a good day. I don't care how good you look.

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Tomorrow is a new day, and
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it. And I'm like, okay, Like, because sometimes you get overhappy,

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you know, you start you start
being so sharp as far and you

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said, oh I got it down, so you don't My personality I'd be

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laughated. He always lood make sure
that I get right back too, and

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it's just a good vibe in the
Jim good energy being in Dallas also me

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myself, you know, just being
more there, conscious and committed. It

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all helps out, you know,
the training can. So now you're taking

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on Duarte. He's twenty six and
one with one draw. He has twenty

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one knockouts, so that's indicative that
he does have some power. He's twenty

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seven, not an old guy.
His only loss was a split decision in

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twenty nineteen. Other than that,
you know, he hasn't had any defeat.

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He lost to a fighter named Adrian
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in twenty nineteen. Not a big
resume, but he has a good reputation.

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So I wondered, what is your
view of him and what have you

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glean if you watched him, or
what's Derek told you or the type of

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fight you expect him to give you. You know, I know he's a

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tough fighter. I know he's a
bessive fighter, but it is a style

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of out team anytimes it's more Southern
California, growing up in the gyms Indi

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York, California, Coachella. Uh, you know, l Agent, I've

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seen it also. I think my
experience and just where I'm at right now

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is just gonna be way too much
from I don't see him winning around.

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Uh, anything can happen about it, but I know that I just don't

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see him be to me in any
way. But I know he hits hard.

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He got some people out. But
this is for me. It's not

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even about doing thing. It's about
making an example of showing people this is

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who's coming forward now, this is
this is this is divine. You're gonna

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get and he's never gonna leave again. One that was on the Prospect of

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the year Ryan, he's back.
Yeah, there you go. Okay,

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my prospect of here a few years
ago got to make me look good.

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I'm gonna make you that. Hey, dah, I got you, dare.

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Hey, that's gonna be the best
decision you made way way back in

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five years. Well, I don't
have the best decision because I did have

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guys like Miguel Coto in the Hall
of Fame. Vaselli, give me some

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time, give me some Okay,
you got it, hey, first five

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to make thirty million time. Yeah, that's very good. So, now

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this may be a little bit delicate, but I have to ask you.

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You go into this fight, you're
in a lawsuit with your promoter. They

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sued you to uphold and enforce your
contract that they claim is valid. So

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I and that's got to be,
uh make everybody involved maybe a little uncomfortable.

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So I wonder from your perspective,
how is it to work with Golden

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Boy, Oscar and the team despite
the fact that they obviously have some issues,

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Maybe not specifically with you, more
maybe with your advisor in Guadalupe,

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Valencia, but still with that as
the backdrop, how has that been to

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deal with all that? You know, Dan, I can't talk about that.

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I always Oscar said it just business. All is good. It's just

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business, no comment, no com
okay, fair enough, I told you

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just saying no before, no problem. All right. So another thing I

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want to ask about in terms of
not that stuff, but in terms of

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the boxing, is that back a
long time ago when I interviewed you as

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a younger fighter on the rise,
I remember asking you one time about you

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know, your desire to be a
world champion, and I was actually kind

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of taken aback when you told me
like it really wasn't a big deal to

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you. I think this is around
the time you might be fighting, maybe

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before you fought Lou Campbell, which
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a real major title. And I
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you know, I didn't really really
care so much about that. Uh,

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I wonder And my thought was,
you know, that's how fighters validate themselves,

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even to just win a world title, when they talk about like if

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they can get in the Hall of
Fame and stuff along those lines. Have

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you changed your mind as a winning
a world title as you get a little

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deeper into your career more important,
you know, Oh yeah, that's where

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that's where. Uh, that's where
I'm at. You know, I want

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to become a world champion to validate
myself and you know, at at that

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end of my belt. When I
first got into the game, my whole

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goal was to you know, gain
traction and you know, let people know

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who I am and you know,
become a huge known name. That was

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my goal. That was what it
was. And I figured out a way

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and I was like, oh,
he'll be good at the sport. Boo.

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I did it. Then I was
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make a huge fight, and that
was my next goal. I made a

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huge fight, made a ton of
money. Now my goal is, Okay,

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now I know I could be the
best fighter. Let me be the

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best fighter I could be and become
a champion and show people I could do

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that. So I kind of had
like a whole thing in my head.

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But from the loss, you know, that woke that competitive spirit in me

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again. It was like me back
in aptual. Oh okay, you got

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one on me. All right,
I'm gonna come back and string these wins

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in again and and and become a
champion. And then I'm gonna run that

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right back and beat them because I
know I'm a better fighter, and I

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know I'm betterfied when I show and
I will be a rematch. Oh I'm

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gonna get that rematch. Okay,
Well, before the rematch, I want

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to just wrap up with this.
Uh. There's been a lot of discussion

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from Bob Aaron from Top Break and
from us from Golden Boy. Actually I

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spoke to about this, saying that
when him and Bob met recently, because

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they do have some business to talk
to with different fights and fighters, that

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one of the things that was predominant
in that conversation that took place not that

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long ago is the prospect of what
would be an I in my mind,

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a really huge fight between you and
the WBO lineal champion of the junior wealtheweight

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division, TF Malopez. You guys
are two big names, big personalities,

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exciting styles, both young. Uh
how does that sound to you? And

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do you think it's realistic to happen? They're talking about doing it like in

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the first fight in the next year
after if you as long as everything goes

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well for you to come up against
the work te Yeah, we've been talking

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about that. Like I said,
I'm ready for him. I'm ready for

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everybody I want. I want to
become a champion at one. My coach

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is just making these decisions, Derek. You know, I asked Derek who

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does he want me to fight coming
back? Showed them who I want who

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I can fight, and he picked
osbard Doorte. So same thing is gonna

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go here. Whatever Derek wants is
gonna happen. I don't care. Wherever

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they want is gonna happen. What
is it? Does your heart say,

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give me to your female Because he's
a big name and he's the real champion.

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Yeah, I mean that's what I
want. I've been calling him out

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for a minute because I know I'm
beat him, so I'll run it with

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him. We got to figure that
that out. I asked Oscar. He

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said he wants to do the MSG
spear and I was like, okay,

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uh whatever. I even messages to
a FEMA a little bits on Instagram.

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I said. I had told him
do you want to fight? Because he

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was complaining about only made a million
dollars blah blah blah, and I said,

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hey, man, like do you
want to make some real money?

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And then he said something about like
oh Ryan vessies me and blah blah blah.

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I'm like, didn't you just say
you wanted to make more money?

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But he's talking about like this is
a fight that you will make money.

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Uh so yeah, I would love
to fight him, honestly. Well,

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hopefully that will happen. Obviously got
the worst that he'd get through first December,

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second in Houston on Bassoli, Brian, I wish you the best of

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luck in that now. I appreciate
your time as always and good luck for

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you. Yeah, God bless you, damn to save you. Yeah,