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I am joined by Robin Long in 18 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:26,560 New York and Peter Robinson in California, and rob the New York aspect comes 19 00:01:26,599 --> 00:01:32,239 to me to mind today because we had a rumble at our high school last 20 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:38,000 night. Really, what does it mean? That's a story, it does, 21 00:01:38,159 --> 00:01:38,920 and it made me think of West Side. So we had a bet, 22 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,040 you know, about fifty kids, fifty sixty kids or so, and 23 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,359 in a melee, in a fracas, there was a stabbing. There was 24 00:01:46,439 --> 00:01:52,480 gunfire, wow, serious, there was There was a glock recovered with a 25 00:01:52,719 --> 00:01:57,120 fifty bullet magazine, the likes of which I'm never I'm imagining some some you 26 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,799 know, pepper pot gun that a guy had. And it made me think 27 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:05,799 of West Side story exactly for the rumble, just that. But it made 28 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,000 me also turn into Milton Glazier, you know, the old man who ran 29 00:02:08,039 --> 00:02:12,639 the pathetic little drug store, who, at one point, just in absolute 30 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,039 despairer asks I think Riff or Tony or one of them, is what is 31 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:22,159 the matter with you kids? Why do you have to do that? You 32 00:02:22,199 --> 00:02:23,719 know? And if you go back and look at West Side story. From 33 00:02:23,719 --> 00:02:29,439 the very start, they had every single liberal piety nailed in that Officer Krupsky 34 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:35,280 song. They really did, probably proclaiming, Hey, I'm deprived on account 35 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,599 of I'm depraved, or I'm the prave, not acond of I'm deprived. 36 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:44,080 And fifty sixty years and nothing appears have changed, because I'm looking at all 37 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,120 the sudden the local subredits, as people discussed this today, and it's generally 38 00:02:47,199 --> 00:02:52,319 society's fault, it's the gun's fault, it's we've failed these children at home 39 00:02:52,759 --> 00:02:53,680 and all the rest of these I think you have that you wants to have 40 00:02:53,759 --> 00:02:58,479 your facts wrong, though, James, because if they recovered it, I 41 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,199 don't think they possibly could have recover were to glock because those there would be 42 00:03:01,199 --> 00:03:06,560 illegal for those children to have you, So wouldn't you write right in Violet? 43 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:12,400 And I tend to think that perhaps the sign the signs that proclaimed the 44 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,560 school to be a gun free zone may have been um uh, not in 45 00:03:15,599 --> 00:03:20,840 a proper type, not big enough. If they've been twenty four points, 46 00:03:20,879 --> 00:03:23,280 they might have worked, but they were probably twelve or fourteen. Now, 47 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:29,919 so, um, what do you think that elapsed time is between something like 48 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,360 that happening. Something's like that happening in New York a lot. And then 49 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:36,400 and then someone else saying, sort of in the press or sort of like, 50 00:03:36,439 --> 00:03:39,080 well, actually, you know, crime is down. Yes, we 51 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,919 do get that. It's always your evidence of your eyes and ears of no, 52 00:03:43,039 --> 00:03:45,680 really, you shouldn't pay attention to your eyes and ears. Crime is 53 00:03:45,919 --> 00:03:50,240 down? Which is I mean, as an aggregate, I guess it's true 54 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,360 actually in New York City in some ways, some things, but it's really 55 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,759 just how you you know, you you throw in the scoff laws and the 56 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,199 you know, the meter cheats, and also of crime. It does seem 57 00:04:00,199 --> 00:04:03,560 like it's down. But if you just just just concentrate on people shooting at 58 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,360 each other and hitting each other with heavy objects, I think it's not down 59 00:04:06,439 --> 00:04:10,280 at all. Or pushing each other in front of trains. Here's something to 60 00:04:10,319 --> 00:04:15,120 consider. I knew somebody, I know somebody who was braced by some youths 61 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,839 last night after the event who were looking for a confederate of theirs and who 62 00:04:18,879 --> 00:04:24,600 would would apparently one of the miscreants involved in who'd escaped the attention of the 63 00:04:24,639 --> 00:04:30,040 police. And when this person declined to assist them any further, they moved 64 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,839 close. One of them moved closer as if to relieve this person of her 65 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:41,079 property or phone, who whatever it was, and apparently the dog interceded vocificate 66 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:46,160 dogs, whereupon the person's hand went to their waistband. Now, if this 67 00:04:46,199 --> 00:04:50,720 person had indeed produced a firearm and then backed off when the dog did something 68 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:56,040 and then ran away, the question is do you report this? Do you 69 00:04:56,079 --> 00:04:59,720 report it because there's no point in reporting it because they're not going to find 70 00:04:59,759 --> 00:05:01,680 the and if they find the person, nothing is going to happen to the 71 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,399 person. So this isn't reported, and therefore there's no statistic that says that 72 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:11,360 crime is actually going up. How many people just refuse to participate in this 73 00:05:11,439 --> 00:05:15,399 because they know there is no point and you know, it breaks down as 74 00:05:15,439 --> 00:05:19,199 you can expect on the neighborhood, the neighborhood group on next door, which 75 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:25,160 is Twitter for old people. Everybody's appalled. But you wait, you look 76 00:05:25,199 --> 00:05:29,040 at all of them and say, look, nothing is going to change. 77 00:05:29,079 --> 00:05:32,319 You know, look around here. Look at all the sign the multicolored signs 78 00:05:32,319 --> 00:05:35,560 and everybody's long. Look at the way that everybody around here votes. Look 79 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,839 at the last election that we had, Look at the legislature that we have 80 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:45,519 and what their concerns are. Nothing is going to change. You realize that, 81 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,879 don't you. James. I wanted to about a two or three question 82 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:54,360 interview of you because I don't understand it's been a long time now, but 83 00:05:54,600 --> 00:06:00,480 what ten twelve years ago I was fortunate enough to visit your house. You're 84 00:06:00,519 --> 00:06:05,319 talking about a neighborhood high school. I gather you live in a beautiful neighborhood 85 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:11,040 of large homes. I'm going to guess your home. This neighborhood was built 86 00:06:11,079 --> 00:06:14,120 in the twenties, perhaps nineteen fifteen. Who was one of the outliers, 87 00:06:15,319 --> 00:06:17,600 fifty built by a candy manufacturer, built by a man who was part of 88 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:23,560 the booming Minneapolis candy industry who made the walnetto in addition to the in addition 89 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:28,319 to the Scotch loaf, which I don't think is a So so we go 90 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:34,800 from my memory of you, of your just beautiful, leafy Midwestern never been 91 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:40,800 invited, So I wouldn't turn to the last century neighborhood to this image now 92 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:45,519 of a melee that was serious enough that somebody got stabbed. That meant that 93 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:51,639 means there were knives present, the cups retrieve a glock with fifty rounds nearby? 94 00:06:53,399 --> 00:06:58,360 Is this gang activity? Is this how did it come about? Is 95 00:06:58,399 --> 00:07:01,319 this pre planned? We were joe about West Side story. Did the cops 96 00:07:01,319 --> 00:07:05,319 have to get called to break what happened? Happened in that beautiful neighborhood. 97 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:10,639 Well, I'll tell you that the cops showed up all mass There was everybody. 98 00:07:10,639 --> 00:07:13,720 There was park police, there was highway patrol, there was sheriffs. 99 00:07:13,759 --> 00:07:16,959 There was everybody here. They all came running facts. They got there quickly. 100 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,560 They got there quickly, And apparently it was rival factions at a community 101 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:25,000 event that have been held at the high school. It was not necessarily specifically 102 00:07:25,079 --> 00:07:30,160 high schoolers themselves. Some of them may have been no, but yes, 103 00:07:30,399 --> 00:07:33,360 So this leafy, beautiful neighborhood of mine, which I had absolutely adore and 104 00:07:33,399 --> 00:07:36,720 feel lucky to live in. I'm looking at video online. There was not 105 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:41,720 related to the stabbing or the shooting, but just simply a couple of people 106 00:07:41,959 --> 00:07:45,240 pummeling and kicking somebody who was on the sidewalk. Now, that sidewalk, 107 00:07:45,319 --> 00:07:48,519 that space is where I watched my daughter walk into high school for the first 108 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,360 day and for the last. That space is where I pass every day over 109 00:07:51,399 --> 00:07:55,439 that house there, that's the one in the corner of my street. And 110 00:07:55,519 --> 00:07:58,920 in addition to the person being pummeled, there's the usual techno savages who are 111 00:07:59,279 --> 00:08:03,279 milling about their phones to make sure that every single little incident, moment of 112 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,319 the kick and the push and the shove and the stealing, is captured and 113 00:08:05,399 --> 00:08:09,759 uploaded to social Vietna social media. So it is one of those things that 114 00:08:09,879 --> 00:08:18,600 sticks with you and gives you a sense of burning, burning impotence, because, 115 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,639 as I said, unless there is some seismic shift in what people have 116 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:28,879 come to expect about the civic order, nothing will be done. Okay, 117 00:08:28,879 --> 00:08:31,120 two more questions, if I may, well, I mean just trying to 118 00:08:31,199 --> 00:08:35,799 understand this. And again, obviously for you it's personal because it happened to 119 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,519 your high school. But for me, I've been there all right. Are 120 00:08:39,519 --> 00:08:45,600 the cops neighborhood cops? Is there going to be the kind of thing where 121 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:50,600 the neighbors can talk to the police and there's some neighborly small scale maybe doesn't 122 00:08:50,639 --> 00:08:54,000 arise to the level of getting debated on the floor of the Minneapolis of the 123 00:08:54,039 --> 00:09:00,360 State House. Over in Saint Paul. You said, should you report gun 124 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,919 and My answer is, if you know the cops, if there's a genuine 125 00:09:03,919 --> 00:09:07,879 sense of neighborliness, you'd report it and just say, officers, I want 126 00:09:07,919 --> 00:09:11,960 you to know, you've got guys out on patrol. We live here. 127 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,840 There's a kid with a gun in the neighborhood. Right. Well, if 128 00:09:13,879 --> 00:09:16,519 if, if, if somebody, if there had been a police car, 129 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:20,240 to whom one would have been able to speak. Yes, I'm sure, 130 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:24,000 I mean there were just there were cops everywhere and you could approach them and 131 00:09:24,039 --> 00:09:26,600 you could ask them what was going on in the light. But we don't 132 00:09:26,639 --> 00:09:31,080 have officers Krupkey or Clancy walking the beach, swinging swinging a club and you 133 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:35,600 know, checking keying a little box on a pole and checking in. So 134 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:37,840 we don't know. Okay, So the last question is did what kind of 135 00:09:37,879 --> 00:09:43,240 reporting took place? Is there a strip woulden cover a neighborhood event like this? 136 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,080 I guess is there a local newspaper or is it? So just tell 137 00:09:46,159 --> 00:09:50,200 me what was the press? Well, the press was one stabbing shooting at 138 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:54,600 this high school and it was it was Wow, it's right there in the 139 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:56,440 front page of our paper today. So yeah, it was a big thing 140 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:03,200 because it's anomalous and um uh, you know they can. They're not going 141 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:07,360 to be able to not cover it. It's a big deal. It doesn't 142 00:10:07,399 --> 00:10:09,120 happen around here, but it did, and so yes it did get covered. 143 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,360 Um but again, you know, part of the problem on social media 144 00:10:13,399 --> 00:10:18,240 is that the wrong accounts on Twitter are covering it. There's one that is 145 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:22,639 quite quite peppery when it comes to local crime, and people are accusing them 146 00:10:22,639 --> 00:10:24,679 of all sorts of built in biases and the rest of it. So you 147 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:26,279 can't trust them. So I hate to link to these people. I don't 148 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:31,080 want to do. We have a fair source that we can use. It's 149 00:10:31,399 --> 00:10:35,279 it's it's fraught with so many angles that it is just difficult for people to 150 00:10:35,519 --> 00:10:41,840 sometimes confronted anyway. So that I do not not to be labor everybody with 151 00:10:41,919 --> 00:10:48,200 the details of of my little corner of the world. But it's indicative of 152 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:54,279 sort of a larger social crackling fracturing that we see in every single large American 153 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:58,559 city. The sense is that it is getting worse and that there is no 154 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:01,600 not that there's no will to do anything about it, but there's just there's 155 00:11:01,639 --> 00:11:11,240 there's just well maybe that there is no will nobody really really talks about what's 156 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:16,840 necessary. And if you if you start talking about stern penalties for juveniles of 157 00:11:16,919 --> 00:11:20,879 actually putting carjackers the first time into jail, you will get everybody come in 158 00:11:20,919 --> 00:11:24,159 another woodwork and saying, well, you can't do that. That just hardens 159 00:11:24,159 --> 00:11:26,399 them. It doesn't teach them anything. Um well, it may dissuade them. 160 00:11:26,759 --> 00:11:31,679 The knowledge of six months, you know, picking up trash on these 161 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,399 I might might turn a mind or two against this sort of thing if they 162 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,679 knew it would be swift and certain. But we can't have that discussion, 163 00:11:37,879 --> 00:11:41,320 I guess. So that's where I am. So the other thing, of 164 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:45,480 course, and people say Minneapolis is not that they say Target, because that's 165 00:11:45,519 --> 00:11:48,320 the big head gruss. I can almost see it from here and we'll get 166 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:52,519 to De Santis and Trump had just a minute here. But it really is 167 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:56,759 fascinating to me to see exactly how corporations are behaving and reacting to this. 168 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:01,080 Now, you guys, I'm just ask you, what's your take on the 169 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:05,919 whole target controversy in the latest and like it won't go broke thing, I 170 00:12:07,399 --> 00:12:11,759 can tell you we're talking about personal things. Target matters to me. I 171 00:12:11,879 --> 00:12:16,360 never shove a Target, but my daughters love it. Why is this because 172 00:12:16,399 --> 00:12:20,039 there's stylish stuff and I'm not just talking about clothing here, but stylish stuff 173 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:24,840 if you've got to. I have a son who's moving from San Francisco to 174 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:28,320 Austin, Texas, and Target is one of the places you think of for 175 00:12:30,399 --> 00:12:35,840 curtains and maybe some desk furniture office furniture, because it's stylish and inexpensive, 176 00:12:35,879 --> 00:12:39,440 and it's extremely as far as I can tell, it's extremely well run. 177 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:43,519 The people there are trained, you can they know their inventory. It's a 178 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:50,360 well run operation. And then we hear that Target is well, you'll have 179 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:52,919 to explain the immediate controversy. I mean Target, there's a there's a woke 180 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,759 transgender element to the story. The story that has my attention because of where 181 00:12:58,799 --> 00:13:03,799 I live, is that I think it's the Target CEO who announced in the 182 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:09,320 most recent earnings call that inventory shrinkage, that is to say, theft is 183 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:16,240 now costing Target half a billion dollars a year. And similar related story, 184 00:13:16,799 --> 00:13:22,720 the enormous Nordstrom in downtown San Francisco announced that it's closing and they put it 185 00:13:24,159 --> 00:13:28,519 in an official statement. They didn't say anything about crime. They didn't use 186 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,960 that word, but conditions have changed and they can no longer do business in 187 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:39,799 San Francisco when they're customers and employees no longer feel safe. Oh my, 188 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:45,799 these are two major well run retailers. Of of course, Target headquartered in 189 00:13:45,799 --> 00:13:48,639 Minneapolis. And there's a second strand to the Target story that I'm not up 190 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:52,600 on, but there's some sort of transgender or woke element as well. Fill 191 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:56,200 me in on that one, James. Well, at first as Nordstrom is 192 00:13:56,240 --> 00:14:00,480 citing changing dynamics, which you just yes and yes, and they're leaving and 193 00:14:00,919 --> 00:14:03,519 organized shoplifting rings, you know, point zero zero one percent of the people 194 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,799 doing ninety percent of the work is probably part of it. But I'll ask 195 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:13,039 you, Rob, I know you have Target in Manhattan. I think there 196 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,559 has to be a few. Yeah, there's one in Manhattan. And there's 197 00:14:16,879 --> 00:14:22,600 one which is some I would describe as hell on Earth in Brooklyn, which 198 00:14:22,639 --> 00:14:26,679 I once was forced to go to and regretted every minute of it because that's 199 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:31,360 it's it's just bedlam. It's just it's impossible to make your way through it. 200 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:35,159 It's not it's not the clean, beautiful Target that we all remember in 201 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:41,159 love. So what is your impression of the embroider the Bruhaha, they're kurf 202 00:14:41,159 --> 00:14:43,200 Fluffel that they're currently undergoing. Well, I mean, I don't you know, 203 00:14:43,519 --> 00:14:50,399 I don't know. I think it's a mistake for corporations to sort of 204 00:14:50,399 --> 00:14:58,120 try to go past what they need to do, which is to sell good 205 00:14:58,159 --> 00:15:01,320 products and you know, clean space and that kind of thing. Um. 206 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:07,600 I think it's a disconnect between the people sort of in HQ and the people 207 00:15:09,039 --> 00:15:11,240 who are running the stores. I mean, the analogy I would use is 208 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,799 that they used to be in Burger King. I know when the Burger King 209 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:18,159 camp account was that Jay Walter Thompson. This is million years, billion, 210 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:22,360 billion years ago. The Burger King company, the corporation, the suits would 211 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:28,879 always want to come up with some of the clever, creative, edgy kind 212 00:15:28,879 --> 00:15:33,120 of ad campaign. But you know it's the these these these franchise businesses are 213 00:15:33,159 --> 00:15:37,799 a little like you know, medieval fiefdoms, right, there's a you could 214 00:15:37,799 --> 00:15:39,320 be the king or the lord, but you don't have that much power. 215 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:43,039 The barons have a lot of power too. And the barons in this case 216 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,279 where the store owners, the franchise owners would own a string of burglings around 217 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:50,679 the country and they would always come for the big convention and see the fancy 218 00:15:50,759 --> 00:15:54,559 new creative, very edgy campaign, and they would just say, no, 219 00:15:54,559 --> 00:16:00,399 no, no, no, Show the burger. Show a hot burger, 220 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,679 juicee burger. That's what people want to see. People come into our restaurants 221 00:16:03,679 --> 00:16:07,080 because they're hungry. They want to eat the food. So show the food. 222 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:10,759 The fries are crispin thing and salt, and the burger and the cold 223 00:16:10,799 --> 00:16:14,720 ice cool. Just do that. Just do not attempt to grow a brain. 224 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,879 And that is probably the problem. You see. I think you saw 225 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:19,440 bud Light, I think you see the Target. Yes, that the woke 226 00:16:19,519 --> 00:16:25,919 thing is the way it's expressed. But the tendency of people in media and 227 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:30,919 in the corporate HQ to attempt to make a simple thing more complicated or to 228 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:33,679 do additional things in addition to trying to get you into Target to buy stuff, 229 00:16:34,559 --> 00:16:38,799 to do something else, to seem hip and cool with it is almost 230 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:42,000 always a disaster. Always a disaster. Yeah, I think it's right. 231 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:47,480 I mean Target has been having pride material for I don't know how many years, 232 00:16:47,559 --> 00:16:49,159 and it really hasn't been much for a nation. Nobody cares. I 233 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:53,440 think what changed this year is all of a sudden people got the impression and 234 00:16:53,519 --> 00:16:56,840 correctly so that all of a sudden there was this trans element that had been 235 00:16:56,879 --> 00:17:02,240 amplified in the problem. So and then that's who's it four? Right? 236 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:03,880 I mean the question is just just shure numbers. Who's it four? I 237 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:08,480 mean, if if we all took a pill tonight and got rid of whatever 238 00:17:08,599 --> 00:17:11,720 our transphobia or whatever it is, that with the decome we all got rid 239 00:17:11,759 --> 00:17:17,000 of tomorrow, how many trans people were talking about I mean, let's we're 240 00:17:17,039 --> 00:17:19,599 talking about a very small number of people. The idea that you want to 241 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:25,160 like to devote your part of your store for this kind of merchandise is like, 242 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,559 well, that seems kind of eccentric, especially in places where I mean, 243 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:32,000 look most of the you know, eventually the look I understand the pride 244 00:17:32,079 --> 00:17:34,480 I mean the target in Manhattan or Brooklyn or big cities that happing in pride 245 00:17:34,519 --> 00:17:37,920 sections that might make sense. Actually they were they're smart to do that. 246 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:42,240 Um, but this obsession with like the idea that this this thing, so 247 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:47,839 that the numbers just aren't there, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. 248 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:49,799 I mean, you can say virtue signaling in the rest of it, wad 249 00:17:49,799 --> 00:17:53,519 I think what I think this is my This is my impression that it's a 250 00:17:53,559 --> 00:18:00,240 result of the ideological loadstar moving that. Whereas before when you had pride was 251 00:18:00,319 --> 00:18:04,079 LGP, you know T will attack that on whatever it's statistically insignificant. Now 252 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,920 you have, as Andrew Sullivan wrote in a pretty good substack, I think 253 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,359 last week, you have what used to be the old gay rights movement being 254 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:15,160 supplanted by queer theory. People would say, well, isn't that the same? 255 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,960 Don't think you want to be called queers? Well, it is complicated 256 00:18:18,319 --> 00:18:22,000 because queer theory is much more cultural. Marxism is much more Michael Folk. 257 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:26,359 It's much more deconstructing gender. It's it's much more blowing up a whole bunch 258 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:30,799 of ideas and replacing them. Well, there's infinitely malleable set of thought about 259 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,359 human beings and sexuality that is different from the old you know you're a gay 260 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,920 man, you're a lesbian, you know, you like both whatever. It's 261 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:41,440 much different. So when you say queer now you can actually mean somebody who 262 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:48,559 is probably heterosexual but has adopted some peculiar little derivation that they found on Tumblr 263 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:52,240 to make themselves feel special, so they are now part of this because it's 264 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,160 cool to be that. Right. You don't really have to change what you 265 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,359 do or you're interested in. But you've got your own little particular flag and 266 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,079 your own little gender and your own little side, and you're own little pronouns, 267 00:19:00,079 --> 00:19:06,559 so you're queer. So the intellectual loadstar of the whole gay rights movement 268 00:19:06,759 --> 00:19:11,640 moved seamlessly without anybody really noticing it into queer to queer theory, just the 269 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:18,359 way that equality moved somehow into equity without anybody absolutely noticing. And in both 270 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:22,079 of these cases it is a structural shift of language and thought. The guys 271 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:25,599 the target aren't that's smart to probably note this. They just note that while 272 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:27,319 we got more queer people now, so let's go all in on that. 273 00:19:27,319 --> 00:19:32,599 That means going all more on the trans bit because that's cool. And you 274 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:37,440 know, the governor lieutenant governor of Minnesota sported this t shirt the other day 275 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,240 said protect trans kids. It's got a big knife on it, and I 276 00:19:40,279 --> 00:19:45,319 think she can stab somebody who who is opposed to mastectomies for sixteen year olds. 277 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:51,400 That's what you're talking about. And since the whole forces of hate are 278 00:19:51,599 --> 00:19:56,680 supposedly assembling to keep children from transitioning medically physically in the rest of it, 279 00:19:57,079 --> 00:20:02,400 then we must be opposed to those forces of me. So there's a virtue 280 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:06,000 in coming and opposing the people who are opposing this new good thing. And 281 00:20:06,039 --> 00:20:10,079 there's also this sort of go along get along borne by the cultural wind things, 282 00:20:10,079 --> 00:20:11,880 where people fall into this and say, well, obviously this is this 283 00:20:12,039 --> 00:20:15,880 is new, and this is important and trans is important, and all the 284 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,480 pass just blown up. What they don't get, I think is that a 285 00:20:18,519 --> 00:20:22,359 lot of people who are perfectly content to I don't care. If you are 286 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,880 an adult and you think this that whatever, I just I don't care. 287 00:20:26,519 --> 00:20:32,759 They're not interested in having biological mails compete in women's sports. They're not interested 288 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,799 in biological mails who have not done any sort of physical transition and whats're mending 289 00:20:36,839 --> 00:20:40,279 full access to women's spaces and calling them So they don't buy it. They 290 00:20:40,319 --> 00:20:44,359 just they don't buy it. And whereas before that they would be content to 291 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:49,160 just ignore it, now they are being compelled to believe it and having compelled 292 00:20:49,319 --> 00:20:52,839 speech in which they are required to say these things that that is a woman. 293 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,759 You can't say otherwise, are your folk or you are, as our 294 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:00,640 political constituents in the newspapers that a bigot who's knuckles are literally dragging on the 295 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,839 ground. So that's what I think it is. It's an ideological capture. 296 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,839 It it's people not paying attention to this. And you think, well, 297 00:21:07,599 --> 00:21:11,319 the other part of it is that Satanism got attached to this. Isn't that 298 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:15,440 fun that one of the artists with whom Target was partnering is a Satanist and 299 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:19,519 has all this Satanist cool pasteli stuff in his website. Well, it's a 300 00:21:19,559 --> 00:21:22,440 different kind of Satan than we're thinking about. It's the sort of there is 301 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:26,440 no Satan really, but we're just being individualistic and you are your own God, 302 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:33,920 etc. But still, it's like, you don't have to actually probably 303 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,279 antagonize your Middle America base by going with guys who are putting out a little 304 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:44,279 Satanist pins about how we need to put up guillotines for homophobes. I've been 305 00:21:44,279 --> 00:21:48,200 clicking around during this conversation because now I'll shut up. Now I've dominated those 306 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,680 whole damn thing. I'll shut up. I've been clicking around during this conversation, 307 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:56,720 and here's what I found. Target hasn't just put for sale a few 308 00:21:56,279 --> 00:22:03,119 sweatshirts with the Pride rainbow on them. They've got according to what I found, 309 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:07,160 they put up Take Pride, a sort of displays in store after store 310 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:12,640 after store with hashtag take Pride, which leads you to we at Target, 311 00:22:14,599 --> 00:22:18,279 we have a simple but powerful manifesto. We're not born with pride, We 312 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:23,359 take pride. We're making our message loud and clear. Targets proudly stands with 313 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:30,039 the LGBT COM. That's politics, that's not retail. Target has waded into 314 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:34,400 an ideological battle that nobody invited, unless, of course, so if you're 315 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,119 you spoke to the Middle American, even though I live in California, I 316 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:42,559 would view myself as a Middle American. I would find that offensive. I 317 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:47,160 do find a defensive. They didn't need to wade in, They didn't need 318 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,799 to take sides. They perfectly find selling this or that piece of retail. 319 00:22:51,039 --> 00:22:56,960 But they took sides. They waded into an ideological struggle, and they shouldn't 320 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,400 be surprised if there's pushback. We're going to be people who disagree. I 321 00:23:03,079 --> 00:23:07,160 think Target has a little explaining to do to its shareholders into its customers. 322 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:11,240 Honestly, I had thought they just found themselves in the middle of something. 323 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,759 Nope, they waded into it. Rob. Do you think it's an ideological 324 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:22,119 position or is it? Is it simply? I mean I I you know, 325 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:26,319 yes, I feel I'm torn because part of me feels that, yes, 326 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:30,119 this, you know, the sort of wokeism is a problem. But 327 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:38,599 another part of me finds myself in um unexpected for me and um vociferous agreement 328 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:45,920 with Peter Teel, who, in a recent interview with Barry Weiss identified about 329 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,079 ten or fifteen things he was more worried about for America than wokeism. And 330 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:53,599 I think sometimes people on the right it's we's when we go to this kind 331 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:59,599 of outrage. And I'm not sure. I I'm not sure. I really 332 00:24:00,559 --> 00:24:03,799 I really feel that I think Target's going to pay a price in the marketplaces 333 00:24:03,799 --> 00:24:07,920 they should. I mean, I put it this way. Had had Target 334 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:14,240 convened a giant zoom meeting of Target store managers across the country and said, 335 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:18,400 hey, what do you think of this? You're the ones that you're the 336 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,119 closest to your customer, what do you think of this? I think those 337 00:24:22,039 --> 00:24:29,880 results would be very interesting and probably very revealing for Target. I'm interested in 338 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,519 Peter Deal's fifteen things that are more important than I mean. I understand that 339 00:24:33,599 --> 00:24:37,640 people get spun up about particular examples and the rest of it. And yeah, 340 00:24:37,759 --> 00:24:42,960 and that, yes, there are economic, political, demographic things to 341 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,799 be concerned about. I think we can be concerned about all of them. 342 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:52,000 We can walk and chew gum. But there is an ideological deconstruction taking place 343 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,559 in American culture that woke and would not even a term I like anymore. 344 00:24:55,599 --> 00:25:00,599 I wish we had a better one is cumulatively injury. And when it when 345 00:25:00,599 --> 00:25:06,960 it happens to nearly every single institution at the same time, it's it's it's 346 00:25:07,079 --> 00:25:11,519 termites that know how big and grand your house may look, it's being eaten 347 00:25:11,559 --> 00:25:15,319 away from the inside, which is the intention, the expressed intention critical race 348 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,720 theory. Yeah, Rob, I hear you. Hear being really bored with 349 00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:21,079 me talking about this, Yam. I might be honest with you. I 350 00:25:21,599 --> 00:25:23,559 understand it's a difficult issue, but it's just it's to me, it's so 351 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,880 boring. It's what everyone talks about all the time. And when I watch 352 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,799 you know, when you watch cable news, they're talking about it. When 353 00:25:29,799 --> 00:25:33,240 you read a conservative press, they're talking about everyone's talking about all the time. 354 00:25:33,559 --> 00:25:37,079 I agree it's crucial, but it's I'm just so I can't. I'm 355 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,759 just being honest. I am so bored with it. There's nothing new about 356 00:25:40,799 --> 00:25:44,640 it, there's nothing new. It's just it's just a one more outrage machine, 357 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,759 which I get, I understand, but I just I'm just being honest. 358 00:25:47,799 --> 00:25:52,559 I'm just I just can't gin up at on Friday at twelve thirty two 359 00:25:52,559 --> 00:25:59,119 pm, I just can't gin up any enthusiasm for once again going through all 360 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,759 the terrible, woke things that are happening. I just don't care right now 361 00:26:02,759 --> 00:26:06,960 about them. I mean, I know I've probably I will the future, 362 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:08,599 but there's nothing for me to be, not only for me to do about 363 00:26:08,599 --> 00:26:11,799 it right now. I don't got to Target anyway except say, oh, 364 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:17,039 you know Target's gonna pay a price. Well, here's the thing. I 365 00:26:17,039 --> 00:26:19,359 mean, I got to go there soon to get stuff for my daughter when 366 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,200 she gets a new apartment because she's got a job, which is great, 367 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:26,440 and she's she's incredibly we're gonna have to outfit a new place for her. 368 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,640 And Target's got some great sheets, but there's no way I'm gonna buy them 369 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,160 at Target. No, certain, No, I don't think you should buy 370 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:33,960 your sheets a target. You know where I think you should buy you Where 371 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,079 would that be? 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What do you 404 00:28:33,559 --> 00:28:41,440 think? So? Um? I just loved Tim Scott. I just loved 405 00:28:41,519 --> 00:28:47,319 him. Now I have a kind of background question that touches everything I'm about 406 00:28:47,319 --> 00:28:48,480 to say. I want to go on and on, but the background question 407 00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:53,039 is this, Am I just nostalgic for something that at least half the population 408 00:28:53,119 --> 00:28:57,839 now doesn't even remember? And that's the That's Ronald Reagan. That's politicians who 409 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:03,960 understood optimism and a lightness of touch and who could connect with their audiences as 410 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:11,200 ordinary human beings in a neighborly American way. Tim Scott has all of that. 411 00:29:11,759 --> 00:29:18,240 He has a I found it and just an immensely moving personal story getting 412 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,480 into trouble as a kid, being raised by this saintly single mother who worked 413 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,160 and worked and did her best to keep him out of trouble, turning himself 414 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:32,599 around becoming a Christian, understanding the importance of hard work, the gifts of 415 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:37,039 being an American. He talks about his faith. I'm not just tossing that 416 00:29:37,119 --> 00:29:42,400 in there. It's all just tremendously moving details to follow. There's not a 417 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,839 lot of policy that comes out of all of this, and he barely touches 418 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:51,559 on foreign policy. So you take one look and say, this is not 419 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:57,319 a fully baked campaign yet. But oh my goodness, in the current climate, 420 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:03,480 I just found him so refreshing. And then De Santist is almost exactly 421 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:08,960 the reverse for me, in that there's a record as governor, there's a 422 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,079 fundraising operation, there are plans to put people on the ground in Iowa and 423 00:30:14,119 --> 00:30:19,519 New Hampshire. Deeply organized, he's highly intelligent. He's thought his policies through. 424 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:25,400 You've got everything there that you want to put in that half dozen thick 425 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:30,839 binders that go on the on the bookshelf in every campaign headquarters, so you 426 00:30:30,839 --> 00:30:37,240 can look up where your candidate stands on any issue. And gee, and 427 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:42,400 I really want de Santists to succeed. That's where I started. But there's 428 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:48,400 a kind of, I don't know, a kind of flatness to the affect 429 00:30:48,519 --> 00:30:53,599 I just feel as though he's just even when he's doing that. The campaign 430 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,279 video, the announcement video, now you have to expect that to be pretty 431 00:30:57,279 --> 00:31:00,000 good because they've got as much time in the world as they want to shoot 432 00:31:00,039 --> 00:31:03,720 that. That's him in a camera and they can do take after take after 433 00:31:03,759 --> 00:31:07,559 take. So I'm going to guess that this is the top of his form 434 00:31:08,319 --> 00:31:12,440 and he's It's not that it's just not that good. There's no warmth, 435 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,799 there's no connection with it. I'm just so this is why I'm interested, 436 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,440 especially what Rob has to say, because of course Rob would be all over 437 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:26,240 the professionalism or likely So you've got these strange candidates, yin and yang versions 438 00:31:26,279 --> 00:31:30,640 of each other. I personally, I'll just go ahead and say it right 439 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,160 now, not that I think listeners would be in any doubt about it. 440 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:38,279 I hope either one of them can overtake Donald Trump, but each has these 441 00:31:38,519 --> 00:31:44,279 enormous strengths but also glaring weaknesses. That's what I think. And again I 442 00:31:44,599 --> 00:31:48,440 sort of wonder if I say, the Wall Street Journal said it and it's 443 00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:52,480 editorial on Rond de Santis said he could benefit from even a little bit of 444 00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:56,480 Ronald Reagan's self deprecating humor. Tim Scott understands humor and lightness of touch in 445 00:31:56,559 --> 00:32:00,200 De Santis has none of it. But I might just am I saying things 446 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,839 that nobody relates to anymore. Does everybody want anger? No? No, 447 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,799 I think I mean, I think you're that's the situation think about. I 448 00:32:07,839 --> 00:32:12,799 don't think you have to remember how Ronald Reagan ran to know that he he 449 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,200 ran very successfully. Like it's it's a people or people don't really change. 450 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:22,200 They do like optimistic future. You know, someone their leader facing the future 451 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,200 and talking about the future optimistically, which is what Ronald Reagan did. He 452 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,839 talk about the future a lot for an old man, talked about the future. 453 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,880 And I think that is actually what not only Republican primary voters want, 454 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:36,200 but what the general voters want somebody talking about the future. And luckily for 455 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,079 the Republicans, they have like the world's oldest relic from the past to run 456 00:32:40,119 --> 00:32:45,759 against, so really talking about the future right and unfortunately, the front runner 457 00:32:45,759 --> 00:32:47,519 for the Republicans right now, just right now, I don't think that's going 458 00:32:47,559 --> 00:32:51,680 to last. But for right now is somebody who's also obsessed with the past, 459 00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:57,160 not the future. I think it's really right about Ron to Sanders. 460 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,759 I have an old friend who does a lot of campaigns, and he said 461 00:32:59,759 --> 00:33:10,359 that a campaign error is when you don't take advantage of an opportunity to be 462 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:16,039 a human being. Because the way you win the presidency really is to you 463 00:33:16,119 --> 00:33:21,599 have to act more normal for about ten more seconds than your opponent. You 464 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,680 don't have to be normal. I mean, Donald Trump's not a normal person. 465 00:33:23,799 --> 00:33:27,680 He's very abnormal in many many ways. He lives in and lived in 466 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,400 a giant golden tower and has had a golden toilet. Right, but he's 467 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:37,960 still, even to this day, seems more normal than his opponent in twenty 468 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:44,039 sixteen, Hilary clown who seems so weird. Right, So so Ron Sanders. 469 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:45,839 Guess the Twitter thing had a lot of these glitches and was this and 470 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,039 that and people, oh my god, I mean, this is an opportunity 471 00:33:50,039 --> 00:33:51,799 for him to say, yeah, boy, a lot of it was a 472 00:33:51,839 --> 00:33:55,200 lot of fun to do. I find Eon a fascinating guy. I wish 473 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,359 there weren't those glitches. But we've all been on that zoom call, right, 474 00:33:59,599 --> 00:34:02,079 We've all had that problem, right, and most of working Americans will 475 00:34:02,119 --> 00:34:05,279 not and say, yeah, you know, I know. Sometimes the thing 476 00:34:05,279 --> 00:34:07,759 just doesn't work, right, Okay, that's fine. Then you're then then 477 00:34:07,839 --> 00:34:12,760 it's a it's not a one day story where you're trying to mitigate damage. 478 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,119 It's a story in which you are moving your identity and your personality forward. 479 00:34:17,519 --> 00:34:22,000 And that is what happens to him. The next week is going to be. 480 00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:24,480 I mean, look, I think he's um. I think he's running 481 00:34:24,599 --> 00:34:31,840 a classic gubernatorial campaign. We talked to Simscott a minute. You know, 482 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,519 this is these are not done people. These are smart people. They looked 483 00:34:35,519 --> 00:34:39,400 at the past. Right The last Republican city Republican governor to get into the 484 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:43,840 White House was a quarter of a century ago, George W. Bush. 485 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,679 He ran against you know, Orn Hatch, Gary Bauer, Steve Forbes, 486 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:52,599 Alan Keys. He only really won contender, and that was John McCain. 487 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:58,679 That's right, that's fairy. This is not This is not that campaign. 488 00:34:59,199 --> 00:35:02,079 And so I I think what I'm interested in, I mean, I'm trying 489 00:35:02,079 --> 00:35:05,840 to you know, not I don't necessarily have a favorite right now. But 490 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:10,480 what I'm interested in is just watching how how how much relish Ronda Santis has 491 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:15,920 to take a part Donald Trump, because that's the only way for him to 492 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:20,400 win the nominations, the only way from getting the White House and where where 493 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,440 he's planning to take apart Donald Trump, And he just said something very shrewd 494 00:35:22,519 --> 00:35:30,800 yesterday which he said he kept it on COVID. Donald Trump did great stuff 495 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,000 in the first three years, so totally supported him, which is true. 496 00:35:34,159 --> 00:35:37,199 And then he turned over his presidency to Anthony Fauci, right, And that 497 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,800 is a very stark difference between the two of them. And it doesn't require 498 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,519 him to say, oh, you know the January sixth, this not doesn't 499 00:35:44,519 --> 00:35:45,679 require to get in any of those. Letting get any of those just just 500 00:35:46,039 --> 00:35:52,239 clear eye to the Republican primary voter. When it push came to shove, 501 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,360 he blew it. And when push came the video what I had the same 502 00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:00,360 what the Santis video. Yeah, there's nothing but Trump saying we shut it 503 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,119 down, we shut it down, and we were right. We shut it 504 00:36:02,159 --> 00:36:05,599 down. Right, it's like a minute and a half Trum saying shut very 505 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,239 very shrewd um. But on the other hand, he doesn't seem like he 506 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:12,400 seems kind of like a jerk a little bit like I meant, I mean 507 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,119 DeSantis. People I know who've met him say he's not. But I know, 508 00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:16,440 it's like, he just seems kind of jerky. So he's gonna have 509 00:36:16,559 --> 00:36:22,480 to I think when you're when you're your your chief opponent is everybody knows is 510 00:36:22,519 --> 00:36:27,079 kind of a lovable jerk. I mean, in a way if you like 511 00:36:27,199 --> 00:36:30,559 Trump, nobody says he's not a jerk. He's a jerk. So you're 512 00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:32,960 gonna have to come up with a contrast. So I was what I like 513 00:36:34,079 --> 00:36:38,960 was but Tim Scott is that Tim Scott seems to be running the way old 514 00:36:39,199 --> 00:36:44,079 timey Republicans run, you know, and I kind of like that. So 515 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,000 um, but I think we're gonna see some more people jumped in, and 516 00:36:47,079 --> 00:36:54,280 I think it's I mean, the only the secret weapon that I think that 517 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:59,760 Drawn de Santis has is that the press thinks he's worse than Donald Trump. 518 00:37:00,119 --> 00:37:04,360 Yeah, how can that be? That really does feel like the tenor of 519 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,360 the coverage. They hate him more than they hate Trump because he might win. 520 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,840 Because he might win. That's it. Yeah, that's it exactly. 521 00:37:10,159 --> 00:37:14,239 Also because he's like he's he's affective. Right, So if you, if 522 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,519 you, if you, if you, if you're looking for these political fights, 523 00:37:17,559 --> 00:37:21,960 you're this is a governor who's been effective. He's been effective at like 524 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,280 I mean, you know, I just said I was bored of wokeism, 525 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:28,519 But you know, Rod De Santis has been effective at like combating that. 526 00:37:28,639 --> 00:37:32,599 I I you know, I feel like, you know, I'm the governors 527 00:37:32,639 --> 00:37:37,239 like De Santis and Brian Kemp who were smart about COVID, I think are 528 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:44,039 would be much better in the White House then the former president who wasn't try 529 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,480 you. I mean, we say to the press, why do you guys 530 00:37:45,519 --> 00:37:50,639 hate De Santas? He's Trump but without the Trump, And they reply, 531 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,360 that's why we hate him, right, That's why. I mean, all 532 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,920 this talking about how he's a Nazi, all that stuff, like the plant, 533 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,840 all that stuff that that I think is gonna play well for him in 534 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:04,000 the Republican primary. He'll wear it like a badge. Republican primary voters are 535 00:38:04,159 --> 00:38:09,400 hip to the character assassination that happens in the mainstream press. They already, 536 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:15,159 they've discounted that already. When Donald Trump is indicted and loses a lawsuit, 537 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:20,760 his popularity among Republicans goes up. And it's not because Republicans are somehow degenerate. 538 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:25,440 It's because they understand that this guy has been treated unfairly, whether you 539 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,239 like him or you don't like him. I don't like him, but I 540 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,519 do think he was treated unfairly. So you know, DeSantis should be wearing 541 00:38:31,559 --> 00:38:36,079 this as a badge all you. You know, he should be a liberal 542 00:38:36,119 --> 00:38:39,159 media left and right and tell Tumps. You know that it tell Tums comes 543 00:38:39,159 --> 00:38:43,239 time to actually run a general, right, which is what what every Republican 544 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,440 candidate does. You win the nominate, you run right and win the nomination, 545 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,480 and then you run to the center to win the general. So Rob, 546 00:38:49,519 --> 00:38:52,119 could you as a professional in media? And you too, I mean, 547 00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:54,760 James, You're I think of you more as a broadcaster, but that's 548 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:59,519 probably because your voice is so beautiful. In any event, the question is 549 00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:01,559 this. I had one encounter with Rhonda Sanders in person. It was when 550 00:39:01,559 --> 00:39:06,239 he was a congressman and we were both at a conference and we both got 551 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,880 bored at the same time. So we went off to the coffee shop and 552 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,960 each of us had a cup of coffee and a croissants. He was heavier 553 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,920 than than he is now. He was he was he was just he was 554 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:22,599 a perfectly lovely guy. We just chatted, we talked politics, and I 555 00:39:22,599 --> 00:39:27,320 see the Rhonda Santis in the campaign video of the announcement video, and it 556 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,679 looks to me. Tell me if I'm wrong, is the question at the 557 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:36,360 end of this. But it looks to me like a guy who thinks that 558 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,199 the moment the camera is on, he has to be somebody else. Yeah, 559 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:44,159 and that is a rookie's mistake. Yeah, what do you think? 560 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:46,079 No, I totally agree. Yeah, I do kind of get that feel. 561 00:39:46,199 --> 00:39:51,840 But I'm just thinking of Newsom coming in and hip hip checking Biden off 562 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,760 the stage, and the country having the opportunity to literally vote between the California 563 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,199 and the fact that would be great for the country. That would be great, 564 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,679 That would be a clean debate. Here's a choice too, totally different 565 00:40:00,679 --> 00:40:05,639 ways of looking at America. But I think it would come down to I 566 00:40:05,639 --> 00:40:07,360 mean, I think we I mean maybe this is I'm obsessed with it. 567 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,280 Maybe maybe I'm obsessed with this and I shouldn't be. I should be obsessed 568 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:14,280 with wokism. Who knows, But I am obsessed with the test of COVID. 569 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:22,440 And if you're gonna put Florida against California, Florida wins. Um And 570 00:40:22,519 --> 00:40:28,400 we know that Florida wins because you can look on the www. Whitehouse dot 571 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:34,679 gov website to see the states in action in their excess deaths, and there 572 00:40:34,679 --> 00:40:38,920 are more excess deaths in California than there are in Florida. Um, but 573 00:40:39,079 --> 00:40:43,679 you cannot you cannot separate wokeism. Again, we got to come up with 574 00:40:43,679 --> 00:40:50,079 a better word from the COVID response because both are theition on the imposition of 575 00:40:50,159 --> 00:40:54,119 restriction on human activity and thought by the state. Okay, so I accept 576 00:40:54,119 --> 00:40:58,400 that. I guess what I mean is that the left and the media want 577 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,639 to say that row On de Santis, and again I have no dog in 578 00:41:02,639 --> 00:41:06,760 this fight, but just because they're talking about Rhn de Santis, that Ronda 579 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:15,400 Santis is his entire governorship and leadership and ninety nine point nine percent, you 580 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:21,639 know, smashing victory when you ran for real ectum was because he's a reactionary 581 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,000 and he is like to put it in a six week abortion ban, which 582 00:41:24,039 --> 00:41:30,239 is probably a mistake. But whatever anti trans policies, his like quixotic fight 583 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:36,599 against Disney, all that stuff, right when I really think it's because he 584 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:45,719 was right about lockdowns and school closures. Gavin Newsom, Donald Trump, Anthony 585 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:52,119 Fauci were wrong, and the New York Times also wrong about them. So 586 00:41:52,199 --> 00:42:00,559 they are trying to memory hole this incredibly incredibly, incredibly tragic, long lasting, 587 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:10,719 decades long ill effect mistake they all made and celebrated and squashed all squashed 588 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:15,280 all the dissent for and they try to pretend that didn't happen. So there 589 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,960 now they're they're they're they're looking for trivial things to jump on. But I 590 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:23,480 think that the more the more Descantis says, at the most, the most 591 00:42:23,679 --> 00:42:29,280 monumental event of the past worldwide event of the past decade, maybe the past 592 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,239 two decades. The only time the world has been talking about the same thing 593 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:37,800 before the COVID was World War Two. Right wherever you went in the world. 594 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:39,079 In World War Two, they were talking about World War Two. Wherever 595 00:42:39,119 --> 00:42:43,480 you went in the world during COVID, they were talking about In that moment, 596 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:49,480 we had a frivolous president who could not concentrate or learn, and we 597 00:42:49,519 --> 00:42:53,239 had a very very strong, powerful governor in Florida, and we had a 598 00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:59,159 frivolous president and frivolous governor in California, and we had a couple really strong 599 00:42:59,199 --> 00:43:01,400 Republican governor as you made the right call, that to me is like he 600 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,519 should be saying that over and over and over again. Could you touched on 601 00:43:05,559 --> 00:43:09,079 this notion that they're trying to memory hole at all? Yeah? I okay, 602 00:43:09,079 --> 00:43:12,480 So this has been puzzling me, and I've come up with this kind 603 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,960 of cockamami analogy in my mind, and you'll agree that it's cockamamie. I 604 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,320 don't know whether you'll agree with the analogy, but let me try it out 605 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,800 and see what you both do with it. It's like, it's this and 606 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:30,800 I have just been this weird thing that for two years the country was shut 607 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:37,840 down, the state assumed dictatorial powers, unlike this cockamami. Public health official 608 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,079 in the county where I live in California, who twenty four hours before with 609 00:43:40,119 --> 00:43:45,440 the lockdown nobody had ever heard of, suddenly told us we had to stay 610 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:49,199 in our homes, shut down our businesses, wear masks if we want to. 611 00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,800 It was unbelieved, and now it's as if it never happened. We 612 00:43:53,199 --> 00:43:57,960 don't talk about it now. Part of that is understandable, in that we 613 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,280 don't want to talk about it. But I have this. Here's my analogy, 614 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:07,360 or my cockamami theory, is that this is all like a childhood trauma. 615 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:14,800 We're pressing something but it still explains. We won't talk about it, 616 00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:19,440 therefore we won't understand the way this is true. But in some weird way, 617 00:44:19,559 --> 00:44:24,840 what we all just went through and our pretending never happened, still explains 618 00:44:25,039 --> 00:44:30,800 eighty percent of what's happening in the country, including the rumble at your high 619 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,519 school. In some way those are connected, I think, Well, maybe 620 00:44:34,519 --> 00:44:37,039 so in that the kids were deprived of a year or two of actual school 621 00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:42,079 exactly, they forgot how to socialize. They've got out of right. It's 622 00:44:42,599 --> 00:44:46,679 entirely possible. But you know, we don't talk about it because why Well, 623 00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,519 because a lot of the people who went along with the lockdowns were people 624 00:44:50,559 --> 00:44:55,159 in the media who were neurotic and who were we're part of the modern thought 625 00:44:55,199 --> 00:45:00,360 that replaced that that elevated health to above all else, not your spiritual well 626 00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:06,440 being or your emotional or your intellectual apparatum. No, it was just you 627 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,679 know, the church, the cult of health. If you eat the right 628 00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:13,320 things, you'll you'll be a turnal. And so to them this was very 629 00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,480 important, and they were very good at playing all the rules, and they 630 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:19,039 were very good at enforcing the rules, and they had the total societal endorsement 631 00:45:19,119 --> 00:45:22,400 behind them. Of being the good little people who followed the good little rules, 632 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,280 so they participated in this and the fact that it may have been overblown 633 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,360 or that it lasted too, they're not going to give that up. They 634 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,599 would rather just move along rather than have a full accounting of it, because 635 00:45:30,639 --> 00:45:37,480 in their hearts they really think that they were always right and the mat was 636 00:45:37,519 --> 00:45:39,239 the yahoo's in the Red States who were doing what they were supposed to do, 637 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:43,039 and that's the reason that everybody died. I mean, if you go 638 00:45:43,119 --> 00:45:47,920 to the coronavirus sub credit, you will find to the the dead enders who 639 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,400 every day gathered by the thousands and talk about how the rest of us are 640 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,159 fools for not wearing masks on on airplanes for example, to still there and 641 00:45:55,199 --> 00:45:59,880 they're all and they're all, they're all they're sifting through the guts of every 642 00:46:00,039 --> 00:46:02,320 single little story about long COVID because they're all convinced that they have it and 643 00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:07,599 explains everything else for them. So yeah, we're not going to get the 644 00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:12,440 accounting because the people who would be doing that don't want to admit anything they're 645 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:16,000 wrong because they don't think that they were. And go back to the last 646 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,559 time we had something like this, Peter, and I think it would probably 647 00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:23,079 be in the last few years of the teens underwood Row Wilson, when we 648 00:46:23,159 --> 00:46:28,480 had things happened that today we completely forget. The amount of government censorship, 649 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:34,519 the mandatory Rara Palmer raids, the Palmer, the nationalization of the rails. 650 00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,599 Right, there's all kinds of things that happened that change the culture in a 651 00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:40,280 lot of ways. And if you look through the newspapers, it's fascinating to 652 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:45,400 see everybody flip and switch on a dime and march right along with what the 653 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:50,000 government was now telling them. And that was forgotten in the Devil May Care 654 00:46:50,519 --> 00:46:53,840 twenties that followed. You know, just it just people just moved along. 655 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:59,280 We're not moving along right now because there are all kinds of injuries that were 656 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:04,559 made that were deep than we thought. And the you know, does Randy 657 00:47:04,599 --> 00:47:08,840 Weingarten want to apologize, No, she's double she's red conning and rewriting history 658 00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:13,639 to make herself to the person who was to her. She's you know, 659 00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,599 if he was the one who was trying to rip the chains from the schoolhouse 660 00:47:17,679 --> 00:47:22,400 door to let the kids pour in. Do any of the people who believe 661 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,840 that it was probably not a good idea to send everybody home for work permanently, 662 00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:30,320 that it destroyed the office basis tax. No, they won't because all 663 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,559 of a sudden the work at home, you know, people don't want to 664 00:47:34,599 --> 00:47:37,800 mingle too much or so no, we're not going to have that. Say 665 00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,599 two things about the three things about politics, right. The first thing is 666 00:47:39,639 --> 00:47:44,000 that I feel like that Peter, You're absolutely right, and I don't think 667 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,920 we're sure yet how long these ripple effects will go or how they'll work themselves 668 00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:52,119 out. I mean, I think that what happened in twenty sixteen and sort 669 00:47:52,159 --> 00:47:58,639 of the Trump administer Trump campaign and certainly his administration kind of collected this frustration 670 00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:04,639 that people had from the two thousand and eight financial collapse, where it seemed 671 00:48:04,679 --> 00:48:09,679 to people and I don't think they were wrong that the very powerful financiers who 672 00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:16,719 made huge mistakes um didn't really pay a price and bailed out bailed out. 673 00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:21,000 But but I hear I actually would different view that it's not that they didn't 674 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,199 went to jail, because the truth is they didn't. Most of them didn't 675 00:48:22,199 --> 00:48:27,679 do anything illegal, anything wrong. They just should have gone broke, because 676 00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,639 that's what happens in capitalism and I remember talking to a friend of mine who 677 00:48:31,679 --> 00:48:35,000 is a very big financier, and I was saying, you know, we're 678 00:48:35,039 --> 00:48:37,519 good, what we had to protect the financial system. What do you want 679 00:48:37,519 --> 00:48:38,880 people selling apples on the street. And I was like, well, I 680 00:48:39,079 --> 00:48:45,440 kind of I kind of want the chairman of AIG selling apples on the street. 681 00:48:45,079 --> 00:48:49,360 I kind of want those people to lose their net worth. I really 682 00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,239 do um at least as a down payment on the bailout. I'm not saying 683 00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:57,079 that we shouldn't bail them out, but I think that the first payment should 684 00:48:57,079 --> 00:49:01,360 have been checks from the liquidated network of the people running banks that failed, 685 00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:07,039 and there seemed to be and then within a year everybody who's back to making 686 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:12,440 bank again. And I just didn't feel right. I don't think it feels 687 00:49:12,519 --> 00:49:16,920 right to people that that now in America where it used to be that if 688 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,239 you were going to get seriously rich, I mean, you're gonna get a 689 00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,400 family office rich. You were going to get like your grandchildren weren't going to 690 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,679 have to work and be they're gonna be screwed up rich. That kind of 691 00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:30,800 rich. You're gonna build a museum rich that you had to build something you 692 00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:36,199 had to make something, you had to invent something, and now you can 693 00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,199 get you can be you can have almost a billion dollars, you can have 694 00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:45,159 seven hundred million dollars getting stock options for being the CEO of a publicly health 695 00:49:45,199 --> 00:49:47,840 company. I mean, you can make all you can get. You can 696 00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:53,440 have generational wealth from being an executive in a company. And that I think 697 00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:59,400 also disquiets people. And I think that is part of kind of where we 698 00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:04,079 see the tuitional kind of things breaking down because Republicans have traditionally been allied with 699 00:50:04,119 --> 00:50:07,360 that kind of stuff. Um, and I suspect that there are a lot 700 00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:13,800 of Republicans who think that's something that needs to be addressed. Rob, just 701 00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:15,440 one more thing about politics, because you had by politics, is that the 702 00:50:16,159 --> 00:50:22,519 strength that um, the strength that that that that people like n governors like 703 00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:24,400 Ronda Santists. But I would I know he's not running, but Brian Camp 704 00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:28,079 I'd just say because it isn't like Ronda Santis is a standing on top of 705 00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:32,320 a pyramid all by himself. That they're not just giving you bad news. 706 00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:37,760 That's what makes the campaign, that makes this campaign strut so important. They're 707 00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:45,280 telling you I made the right decision. I brought good news to my state. 708 00:50:45,519 --> 00:50:49,159 It's not just I wouldn't make a mistake like those guys are jerks and 709 00:50:49,159 --> 00:50:52,079 and they're terrible. It's I was right. I made the right decision. 710 00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,199 If you vote for me, you're not You don't have to just vote a 711 00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:59,920 negative. You could vote a positive. And I think that's a very power 712 00:51:00,039 --> 00:51:04,880 full psychological state for a voter, whether you're a Republican, a primary voter, 713 00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,559 or you're a general in the general elect I think to have somebody who 714 00:51:07,559 --> 00:51:14,119 you're like, oh, this guy made the right decision, I think is 715 00:51:14,119 --> 00:51:15,760 it powerful? You know, whether he can capitalize one or not. A 716 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:21,960 certain rains to be seen, but it's a powerful campaign strut for sure. 717 00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:27,280 Get him through the primaries. Rob. I happen to know that you're working 718 00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,960 on a big project, and this is one reason that you are able to 719 00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:34,360 speak with particular insight and passion about COVID. And I just want to start 720 00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,440 teasing this project because it's fascinating to hear you talk about it. You and 721 00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:42,840 I talk. I hear this, So let me ask you this question. 722 00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,519 What's the project? And why is Jay Bodicharia? Really briefly, and why 723 00:51:47,599 --> 00:51:52,800 is Jay Bodicharia to pick up on where you just on the statement you just 724 00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:58,079 made. Why is Jay Bodicharia in a position to give a testimony as he 725 00:51:58,119 --> 00:52:00,719 did the other day for a few minutes he died in He was part of 726 00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:05,079 Ron de Sanders's announcement on Twitter. Why is your friends? So, what's 727 00:52:05,079 --> 00:52:07,880 the project? And why? What the heck does Jay have to do with? 728 00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,800 Confirming that? To sand explain that, Well, we know, we 729 00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:15,480 know Jaj's a friend of the podcast. Jay's a friend of the Ricochet, 730 00:52:15,559 --> 00:52:17,480 He's a friend of ours. He's you know, and he's a we've ever 731 00:52:17,519 --> 00:52:22,719 met him. He is the most He's the sort of the kindest, gentlest 732 00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,079 person. Like you kind of meet him, you think, like man, 733 00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:29,239 you know, Actually, I think Jay would do better if ten percent of 734 00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:30,960 the nasty things people said about him are true. Actually, I think he'd 735 00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:37,599 probably be a little bit like happier in his life. Um uh So the 736 00:52:37,639 --> 00:52:40,519 story we're telling a long form stories now in the Ricoche network. We're sort 737 00:52:40,519 --> 00:52:44,679 of preparing them. We got a bunch more we're doing, um and we've 738 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:46,360 raised some money to do that. And what are the ones we're doing is 739 00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:51,519 a story really kind of a to ten episode serialized thing. It's part of 740 00:52:51,519 --> 00:52:57,239 our large master plan for ricochet um of the story of COVID. But I'm 741 00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,000 i'm you know, you can't tell the whole STIs as too many things. 742 00:53:00,039 --> 00:53:02,840 But essentially I'm telling a story in three parts. The first part is everything 743 00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:07,880 we knew about viruses and everything we knew about COVID resist up to like March 744 00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,599 of twenty twenty. The second part is all the mistakes that we made. 745 00:53:12,039 --> 00:53:15,280 And then the third part is what we did to the person and the people, 746 00:53:15,519 --> 00:53:17,719 not just Jay, but people who were right. And we're giving us 747 00:53:19,199 --> 00:53:22,760 the right science and the right research and the right conclusions. And so my 748 00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:28,440 general theory is that Americans decided, not Americans. This is the big distinction, 749 00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:34,280 Not Americans, but American and public health officials and politicians a panic attack, 750 00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,719 and the media too, the media panic attack, and they behave like 751 00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:43,960 people who have panic attacks. They shut down all external information. They decided 752 00:53:44,039 --> 00:53:46,400 very early on on the course they were going to take in February of March, 753 00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:51,360 shut down everything, shut down schools, nobody leader have spray your lettuce 754 00:53:52,599 --> 00:53:59,320 and were I'm asked it to bed And they never ever change course, ever, 755 00:54:00,159 --> 00:54:04,559 even though, people like Jay Jay Brandon's study in at Santa Clara County 756 00:54:04,599 --> 00:54:08,079 in April twenty twenty, where he revealed some pretty good news we should have 757 00:54:08,119 --> 00:54:12,920 been celebrating, which is that, hey, tons of people have much so 758 00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,920 many more people have COVID than we thought they are. They they've had COVID. 759 00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:20,599 They either tested positive for this, they're Sarah positive for COVID. Right, 760 00:54:20,599 --> 00:54:23,079 because this is I'm going to get the weeds here April twenty twenty. 761 00:54:23,079 --> 00:54:25,119 They didn't have the nasal swab. They just had to take your food. 762 00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,039 He said, isn't that great? Look how big the denominator is. Like 763 00:54:30,119 --> 00:54:34,840 everyone's got COVID, but only the same number of people are saying this is 764 00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,880 good news what you wants? Right? And instead of saying, oh, 765 00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,559 well then now that we know this, we can do X y Z, 766 00:54:42,119 --> 00:54:45,719 people said, shut up, you're a liar. The test was corrupt every 767 00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:50,920 step of the way. He and Jay will admit this. He was not 768 00:54:51,039 --> 00:54:55,559 He was not exactly right about everything, but he was directionally correct about everything 769 00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,920 right. And and then a couple of governors called him for advice. Right, 770 00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:05,480 one of them was drawn to Santas and Jay said this, said this 771 00:55:05,559 --> 00:55:08,679 to us years. I mean such as wasn't same day as he talked to 772 00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:13,320 him, Yeah, and said, wow, that guy did the reading. 773 00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:19,079 That guy did extra remember them. Yeah, and uh, you know when 774 00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:21,039 you you know, I talked to Jay now all the time to do this 775 00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:23,679 project, and like, you know, you will not be shocked to know 776 00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:28,440 that I don't always do the reading. Like I'm kind of like I'm sad. 777 00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,920 It's really hard, Like it's I don't under I don't I'm not I 778 00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,400 don't have that brain, right. Um. And he's very very Jay is 779 00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,559 very gentle with me. When I say something stupid, He'll say like, 780 00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:39,280 well, you know, yeah, in a way, you're you correct. 781 00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:44,639 You know, he's very right. But that's what he said about Um, 782 00:55:44,679 --> 00:55:46,239 he said that rond to Santa's now. The only other person I've heard talking 783 00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:51,039 about a candidate who's not a Candonnymore is Mike Pompeo's a friend of mine said 784 00:55:51,199 --> 00:55:55,480 was one of the smartest people she'd ever met. Um. But oh that 785 00:55:55,599 --> 00:56:00,320 so so that that that's that's framing my argument. But I but and though 786 00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:04,639 I'm sort of the deep head deep underwater with COVID, I actually do think 787 00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:10,000 it's you're looking for those crucible moments where you can say we all knew, 788 00:56:10,159 --> 00:56:15,920 we all had the same set of information. I just chose to read past 789 00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:20,880 the first page. I didn't take Anthony Fauci's advice, and I was right, 790 00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,079 and Anthony Faucci detacted him attack Jay, you know, personally after Great 791 00:56:24,119 --> 00:56:30,440 Barrington in November Great and I still say that they should have held that conference 792 00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:32,199 and made the declaration from someplace else, because it makes it sound as if, 793 00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:36,199 well, there's you know, we could give you a Barrington declaration, 794 00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:42,920 but we're going to the And when you talk about being attacked by Faucci, 795 00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,960 well that's a badge of honor for some, but for others who told them 796 00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:51,639 exactly what to think. I still remember going to the local boutique shop where 797 00:56:51,639 --> 00:56:54,280 you get the nice little gift for the wine mom because it's her birthday, 798 00:56:54,559 --> 00:56:58,760 and they had candles and mug they had, you know, voted candle with 799 00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:02,159 folchi ug I mean, like St. Anthony Faucci, that sort of thing, 800 00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:07,719 right, unbelievable, and a and a mug that said wwf D what 801 00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:13,760 would Fauci do? So he had replaced Jesus in the popular consciousness, one 802 00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:15,239 of the things you're gonna have to talk about, Rob And I am not 803 00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:21,800 kidding here. I think this matters is that when everybody went home and sat 804 00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:23,400 in front of Netflix, there were two options that they had. One was 805 00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:27,199 Tiger King, which told them all they need to know about the South, 806 00:57:27,239 --> 00:57:30,800 of course, and the other was a movie called Outbreak, which had come 807 00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:35,159 out a few years before and was banging around one on streaming and people could 808 00:57:35,159 --> 00:57:37,880 watch it and it presented for them a blueprint of what they believed was to 809 00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:42,760 come. And at Kate Winslet, being very very concerned about these things. 810 00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,760 As a matter of fact, going to Minnesota. It took place in Minnesota 811 00:57:46,199 --> 00:57:50,840 because it was written by a guy named Scott Burns who was from Minnesota, 812 00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,519 who actually worked for the Minnesota Daily. I remember him. I remember beating 813 00:57:54,599 --> 00:57:59,480 him out for attacking the attentions of some reporter gal. But that's another story. 814 00:58:00,199 --> 00:58:04,400 And so his construction of that, and it's it's a good construction of 815 00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:07,840 the story, was this template that people were just imposing on their current events. 816 00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:13,400 And when we saw that strange video from China, people dropping in the 817 00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:19,199 streets, and right, we didn't right, we didn't know, And that 818 00:58:20,199 --> 00:58:24,360 was was a hammer blow that resonated for weeks, but it stopped ringing in 819 00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:30,559 most of our in my ears after very shortly, but it didn't for others. 820 00:58:30,199 --> 00:58:32,960 I remember when I was the only guy coming to the office in April 821 00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,800 or in March or so. There was an addition to the to the washroom. 822 00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,760 In the washroom, you leave one door, and then there's a short 823 00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:44,480 little tunnel because the construction of the office, and then you get to another 824 00:58:44,519 --> 00:58:50,360 door. They had placed a waste paper basket in that tunnel because you were 825 00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:53,280 supposed to use a towel to open the door and then to scard it on 826 00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:58,000 your way out, and then you and then you would use another towel, 827 00:58:58,039 --> 00:59:00,119 and then there was a waste paper basket that had been outside. Because this 828 00:59:00,199 --> 00:59:05,760 was the new contain this is the new idea that everything was teaming with foam 829 00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,480 artes, that the whole world itself needed to be strayed down with lysol and 830 00:59:08,679 --> 00:59:12,320 napalm and all the rest of it at all times. Well, we got 831 00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:15,320 away from that pretty quickly, but that but but it didn't for most. 832 00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:19,840 For for a lot of the people, it seems, who still regarded the 833 00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:24,440 world as just contaminated in a way that. Well, let me ask you 834 00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:29,239 this. Do you think it's sort of affirmed what they'd always really wanted to 835 00:59:29,239 --> 00:59:31,760 think about the world, or it just made neurotics out of people who had 836 00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:35,519 never thought about these things before, big broad ended question. We're getting to 837 00:59:35,559 --> 00:59:37,480 the end here together. I think all those things you're true. I think 838 00:59:37,519 --> 00:59:38,559 I think that yes, I would say yes to all of it. I 839 00:59:38,559 --> 00:59:43,000 mean, it was, you know, these things aren't aren't separate. And 840 00:59:43,039 --> 00:59:46,960 I think that you can see now that sort of collected you know, the 841 00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:52,159 collected response to this has been that, you know, like you know, 842 00:59:52,159 --> 00:59:54,800 I had germaphobe friends who are like, see, I was right all along, 843 00:59:55,079 --> 00:59:58,880 you know, for carrying around purel everywhere. You know. Okay, 844 00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:00,280 maybe you're right, right. I have a friend who I have ranged like, 845 01:00:00,639 --> 01:00:06,360 you come into her house, you do not sit on something. She 846 01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:07,800 puts something down. If you come in you were on the subway. You 847 01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,480 got to sit on like a sheet or something, and she's nuts, right, 848 01:00:10,519 --> 01:00:15,119 But okay, well, let you vindicated. They're people who believe that 849 01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:20,639 vaccines give you autism, which of course has been disproved. But like, 850 01:00:20,679 --> 01:00:22,679 I don't know, like this they've they've sold this vaccine and they said it 851 01:00:22,719 --> 01:00:25,000 was gonna do a lot of things, and it's kind of like it's not 852 01:00:25,639 --> 01:00:31,800 better by any by it's worse by a factor than actually getting COVID and having 853 01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:37,639 natural immunity or having acquired immunity. So I don't know, I mean all 854 01:00:37,679 --> 01:00:39,480 those this is a big basket of things. I think Peter's right, that's 855 01:00:39,559 --> 01:00:44,559 it's they're going to work themselves out and um. But I think what we 856 01:00:44,599 --> 01:00:52,679 need to remember is that the the research and science mistakes, like I would 857 01:00:52,679 --> 01:00:59,599 say, akin to the technical glitches in the Rhonda Santists launch, are not 858 01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:04,800 the great crimes. Like it's it's okay, like they made a mistake, 859 01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:08,920 that's fine. Like I don't think that. I don't think the American people 860 01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:12,039 have this idea. If they do, they should be disabused of it. 861 01:01:12,079 --> 01:01:14,760 That these people are always going to be right. That's the reasearch is always 862 01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:16,039 going to point to the right thing. You're gonna make mistakes, You're gonna 863 01:01:16,039 --> 01:01:20,440 the zoom calls not gonna work, The Twitter spaces thing is gonna break down, 864 01:01:20,519 --> 01:01:22,400 right right. It's not the word not the end of the world. 865 01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:28,119 The end of the world is when you triple quadruple Quinn, tuple down on 866 01:01:28,239 --> 01:01:30,599 your mistakes. You refuse to admit them, you refuse to change course. 867 01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:35,559 It's like teacher once said to me, like, look, the point is 868 01:01:36,039 --> 01:01:38,440 everyone makes mistakes. You're allowed to make mistakes, just don't keep making the 869 01:01:38,639 --> 01:01:43,760 same mistake. Right, And every day, every week, every month that 870 01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:49,519 COVID unfolded, they kept making the same mistake. And then as as as 871 01:01:49,559 --> 01:01:52,840 the panic attack got more and more paranoid, right, because that's what happens 872 01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:55,280 when people have a panic attack. Really it's a cortisol event, like it's 873 01:01:55,519 --> 01:02:00,360 it actually has a hormonal effect on your brain. They get more and more 874 01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,800 aggressive, so they get more and more angry at people like Jay Badachario, 875 01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:06,599 Like maybe he shouldn't be at stands ord, maybe he should be fired. 876 01:02:07,119 --> 01:02:10,599 Maybe these people should be silence. Maybe Twitter should like just not post their 877 01:02:10,639 --> 01:02:15,119 posts. Maybe we should block people or shadow band people on all these things. 878 01:02:15,119 --> 01:02:20,000 Maybe we shouldn't have them on CNN to say they're to say that masks 879 01:02:20,039 --> 01:02:23,280 aren't effective and that herd immunity is the best way to go, and that 880 01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:28,960 a lot of closing schools is going to have more do more damage, cost 881 01:02:29,079 --> 01:02:31,760 more lives than it saves. And then at that point that's when we that's 882 01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:37,239 that those are those are things we need to remember, not that people make 883 01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:44,320 mistakes, but that some people, when they make mistakes, higher have the 884 01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:49,000 armed forces and the entire bureaucracy that are correct behind them, and that we 885 01:02:49,039 --> 01:02:54,079 can't have the only way to repair, to rebuild trust in our institutions is 886 01:02:54,119 --> 01:03:00,480 for our institutions to admit that they did not deserve it. Yeah, you 887 01:03:00,519 --> 01:03:04,639 know, every everyone that we looked at failed under pressure, and the refusal 888 01:03:04,679 --> 01:03:07,480 of them to admit that is the thing that keeps us from trusting them again. 889 01:03:07,519 --> 01:03:10,880 And that's the FBI and Carress secrecy. That's all. The great thing 890 01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:14,559 now is that we do get together in person from time to time because we're 891 01:03:14,559 --> 01:03:17,199 not afraid. We live life three facers and Rob, I think you could 892 01:03:17,199 --> 01:03:21,800 tell people that we have some upcoming meetups that we do. I'm so exhausted 893 01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:23,360 now from this this. We didn't have any guests either, Like, this 894 01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:28,400 is crazy. So if you if you if you we're happy not having a 895 01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:31,199 guest, um, well then you kind of recreated a ricochet meet up, 896 01:03:31,239 --> 01:03:35,599 which is the guests are you? So we like talking on the on the 897 01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:37,840 on the podcast We also like being on the site. We like talking to 898 01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:40,840 our members, but we also like needing them in person and meet. Ricochet 899 01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:45,800 meetups are the most fun and joyful way to be part of the Rickeche community. 900 01:03:46,159 --> 01:03:51,079 Um so uh. And also look if you if you want to talk 901 01:03:51,079 --> 01:03:52,840 about woke is them and make jokes about it, which I do, actually 902 01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:55,320 making jokes about it, I do. This is the place to go. 903 01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:59,360 By the way, you'll be surrounded by people who will give you the latest 904 01:03:59,599 --> 01:04:02,519 I to have. I got one from somebody who's at the New Orleans meetup. 905 01:04:02,559 --> 01:04:05,079 That's fantastic and I will not post it, but it's really funny. 906 01:04:05,599 --> 01:04:09,760 Um well, maybe able to do in the member feed, but it's just 907 01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:15,880 a funny little little cartoons. So face to face IRL meetings the way to 908 01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:18,519 go. We have some solicitations, so we have some people who are trying 909 01:04:18,559 --> 01:04:21,440 to put one together. We have I'll do the first we have. The 910 01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:27,119 schedule. Meetups are Winston Salem in mid July, Matt Ballser's annual German Fest 911 01:04:27,159 --> 01:04:30,920 meet up in Milwaukee that's happening the last weekend in July. Stuff's happening July. 912 01:04:30,239 --> 01:04:33,239 And Randy um just posted info about a Labor Day. We can meet 913 01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:36,000 up in Cookeville, Tennessee, which actually sounds like a lot of fun. 914 01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:41,960 Um. But we have some members who put up solicitations for Columbus, Ohio 915 01:04:42,159 --> 01:04:45,519 late late June, so late next month, Portland, the Portland, Oregon 916 01:04:45,559 --> 01:04:51,039 area. Whe that'll be fun. That's in mid July. I want pictures 917 01:04:51,039 --> 01:04:54,719 of that, and then Mammoth. I want to go to that so I 918 01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:58,599 can say I'm for Minneapolis, which is sixteen percent better than you guys right 919 01:04:58,679 --> 01:05:02,960 now. If you if it's still sixteen by then m Mammoth Cave National Park 920 01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:08,239 in Kentucky in August. So there's lots going on. If you one of 921 01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:11,239 those sounds interesting to you, join Ricochet and show up. If one of 922 01:05:11,239 --> 01:05:14,199 those sounds interesting but you can't make it for whatever reason, join Ricochet and 923 01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:20,639 post your own meet up suggestion and Ricochet members will show up because that is 924 01:05:20,679 --> 01:05:27,719 what we do. That and talk and our down talk and write. And 925 01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,159 the thing about writing. If you go to ricochet dot com, you will 926 01:05:30,199 --> 01:05:33,000 see some of the best writers you may never have heard of. Some people 927 01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:38,920 that I absolutely love to read write a lot true, and sometimes you can 928 01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,719 only find them on the member feed because that's where we talk amongst ourselves. 929 01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:44,920 And so you got to join Ricochet, and you have to pay actual money. 930 01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:46,280 I mean, it's just a little bit, but it gets you access 931 01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:49,079 to a community that really, you know, the folks that I've met in 932 01:05:49,119 --> 01:05:53,159 real life, the people that I've met online. Now a day goes by 933 01:05:53,199 --> 01:05:56,400 that I don't hit it four or five six times and comment as much as 934 01:05:56,440 --> 01:06:00,719 I feel like I should. And it's just a great home on the Internet. 935 01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,960 And you guys are the ones who founded in for which I am eternally 936 01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:08,119 grateful, and brought me into it, for which I'm also eternally grateful. 937 01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:10,559 So yeah, we don't even know guests. We can sit here and argue. 938 01:06:10,599 --> 01:06:14,039 I can ramble on about things that Peter Roger is tired about and Rob's 939 01:06:14,039 --> 01:06:18,480 tired about. But I guarantee you between talking about queer theory and wokeism and 940 01:06:19,159 --> 01:06:25,119 youth violence and the COVID era and the rest of it, we may get 941 01:06:25,159 --> 01:06:30,840 a few comments that go here hither and yawn. Let's just say this, 942 01:06:30,039 --> 01:06:33,320 It's Memorial Day and we haven't spoken word about that, and I feel remiss 943 01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:39,360 in doing so. But there would be many tributes to the veterans to the 944 01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:44,960 people who sacrificed to the American wars of the past. There will be a 945 01:06:45,039 --> 01:06:50,119 remarkable, diverse, respectful, fascinating, deep historical dive into the holiday all 946 01:06:50,159 --> 01:06:54,679 over Ricochet, written by people who are doing it for the love of the 947 01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:58,000 correct and exchanging ideas. And so that's why I had to go there. 948 01:06:58,079 --> 01:07:00,199 I know I've pitched it a lot, but I don't enough. Sometimes I 949 01:07:00,239 --> 01:07:03,000 will say that this has been fun. Rob, Peter, have a great 950 01:07:03,039 --> 01:07:08,800 weekend, and we'll see everybody in the comments at Ricochet four point zero Next 951 01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:16,559 week, Boys, next week. Follas Ricochet joined the conversation