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What have you learned in the past
ten twelve years from doing your show.

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One of the things that surprised me, I just thought of this when you

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asked the question that I was completely
mistaken about YouTube. I thought I was

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going to be building a basically a
reference library, so that each video I

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put out there would eventually get more
and more and more views over time because

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people would be coming back to a
reference. But I found I found it.

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There's about a three day window you
have to get people's attention because they're

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onto the next thing, the next
thing. Yeah, recency is absolutely that

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Survival Network now more than ever,
and welcome you are watching the Financial Survival

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Network. I am here at Rick
Rule's symposium in Beautiful booka raton Florida.

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I'm sitting next to my good friend
Dunnigan Kaiser. We go way back in

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this journey we've kind of had parallel
journeys but going along the same path.

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And here we are. We're hanging
out observing what's going on here. Your

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YouTube channel, tell us your YouTube
channel. Oh, Liberty and Finance,

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Liberty and Finance must watch and hey, Donnigo, we kind of like I

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started out in this twelve years ago
now and you started out shortly thereafter.

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You know what, what have you
learned in the past ten twelve years from

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doing your show. One of the
things that surprised me, I just thought

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of this when you asked the question
that I was completely mistaken about you too.

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I thought I was going to be
building a basically a reference library,

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so that each video I put out
there would eventually get more and more and

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more views over time because people would
be coming back to it reference per I

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found. But I found it there's
about a three day window you have to

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get people's attention because they're onto the
next thing and the next thing. Yeah,

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recency is absolutely that was a big
surprise. One thing that I learned

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what pushed us to go instead of
from one to two to three interviews per

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week to now typically six and now
with the conference, shoot, we're doing

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multiple per day as well, or
when things kind of break open in the

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in the geopolitical sphere or whatever,
when we always have to do more multiple

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per day. And moving forward.
We started out audio only, I think

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you were starting out that way as
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Now we're doing live stream, so
those are changes that have come along the

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way as well. I guess another
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always knew, but I think I
finally convinced my audience that I'm what I'm

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bringing to this is I'm being there
representative here. I'm asking the questions of

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the guests because I'm frankly quite curious
at what the guests has to say.

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I want to pick the guest's brain
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myself. So I'm learning as much, I promise you, I'm learning as

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much as anyone from the guests we
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the source of information, that's where
I was really had that wrong in my

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head. The Originally I was thinking
I would make a list of Okay,

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well I know this, and I
know that I know about engineering, and

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I know about some things, but
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of the things that came to me
is I don't have to be the expert

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about these things. I just have
to be able to ask coherent questions that

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a reasonable person might wonder. And
then that's another thing that came out along

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the way is it's been very frustrating
and bewildering and angering over the last three

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years that we're not being permitted to
ask some very reasonable questions that the ordinary

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person should want to know, does
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and we're being told, you know, thou shalt not ask that you know,

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these are the names that may not
be named. These are the questions

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that may not be asked. Or
else community strikes or deep platforming or whatever

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you're going to get going to get
canceled. That has been a I didn't

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see that one coming at all.
It's been been a big, big thorn,

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and we're trying to find ways around
it. I have some guests that

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are amazingly adept at using metaphors or
different words or hand gestures to a global

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health issue. Yeah so or things
like that, yes, things like that,

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And so it helps to have a
broader vocabulary. You can expand your

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vocabulary the way you can escape the
sensors filters, But that was something I

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didn't see coming. Just think of
it as like when you wanted to when

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your kids were young and you want
it understand something. My grandparents would speak

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Yiddish, Yes, so unfortunately Yiddish
is a dead language now but bees pig

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Latin instead, so the algorithm can't
pick it up well. And that becomes

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one of the things that then you
really start processing what that means. And

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one of the things that that really
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my heart is wait a minute.
The purpose of our channel is about awareness

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and preparedness for the good of individual
family, so they can take care of

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their family and they can take care
of their neighbors. And it's like,

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that is a good thing. So
why are we being treated In other words,

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why is there a power structure that's
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don't do that? And it's like, what does that tell you about the

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power structure if it's against the better
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some surprises that came along the way. Yeah, it was a shocker to

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me too. You know, with
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Amendment, I just assumed the two
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universally accepted, adhered to, and
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none of those things. In fact, it's under attack, and I don't

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know what can really stop it.
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if you caught that lawsuit by Judge
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for intelligence purposes and criminal purposes from
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said, and then they were trying
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that sort of thing. It was
just crazy, the misapplication right away.

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right now. His decisions stayed by
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go to the Supreme Court. The
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I found disappointing with all the turmoil
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is the inability or the lack of
desire of the courts no to do anything.

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Yeah, we've had a constitutional attorney, doctor Edmund Vera on and he

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goes through he goes through branch by
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been absolute dereliction of duty, not
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the law of the land, which
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et cetera, et cetera, but
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just punt, just past, just
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his viewpoint, after he's studied these
cases that they've rejected, said we're not

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even gonna examine the evidence. We're
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anything that's too impactful, anything that's
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if the president really isn't the president
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well, if if these appointees never
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a mess. We're not gonna open
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be that which would cause too much
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he says that's a that has no
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that you can't examine things that may
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even look at the evidence which you're
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then and it would be impactful,
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So that the Supreme Court in particular
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should have at least examined the evidence. Yeah, and they come up with

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grounds not to do it. The
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past ten twenty years is the Second
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be on the back shelf. Well, it's kind of interesting how people.

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This is interesting because when we had
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weapons, thinking that they're going to
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that sort of thing. And then
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it the Trump slump in the firearms
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makers went out of business. Yeah, it went bankrupt, long standing ones,

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right, and then and then now
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races again and people feeling, oh, yikes, I better, I better

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be able to protect my hearth at
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should be able to protect our hearth
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back to. And we've had again
doctor Vera is also an expert on the

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Second Amendment, and we've had him
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a shame that it's not just about
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self defense. It's about being able
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therefore anyone says, oh, well, you we shouldn't have anyone having military

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style weapons, he said, that's
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to have in all of the state's
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written so that you could repel threats
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I'm going to go out and buy
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and the tank while you're editing.
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all. Just get the new Tesla
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But so freedom's under it salt and
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when it gets bad enough, you
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go use them. They've just punted
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the future. I mean, you've
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we do, and I wouldn't say
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I confess that I am guilty of
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are, and that is just trying
not to dwell too much on the gravity

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of the situation we face, because
it can be overwhelming and when you if

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you do get overwhelmed, then you
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So there's a couple ways around that. One is to believe that this

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is not the end of the story. There's a bigger picture, and frankly,

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there's a bigger authority here than these
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people around. They are not the
ultimate authority. And so having faith in

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a higher authority and believing that this
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There will be there will be justice, it will come is one thing.

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But the other thing is just taking
small practical steps. I remember when we

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had three children under three at one
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to be mister Joe professional in my
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office. I was completely stressed out
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and realize I'm going to make building
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focus. In other words bloom,
where your plan to do what you can

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do in a local thing. That's
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where we are in time and in
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the innatabilities and the friends and the
connections. And I was just talking to

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you before the before we get started
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my son's ability to get into podcasting, and that got me into it and

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so on. That's opened up other
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you never know what opportunities, what
possibilities lie just beyond that next starting that

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next new thing, or trying that
trying and branching out in a new way,

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reaching out to a new person.
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not hopeless. And frankly, I
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Padre Pio, and one of his
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and don't worry, because when we
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it's it's very nonproductive. It disables
our abilities. We've had Navy seals on

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our show talking about when you're in
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or whatever, your adrenaline goes up, so how you cannot think clearly.

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You can't, you can't, your
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because your body and your mind is
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And in some ways, if you
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on all these plans you had kind
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you have to get at or unlock
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threat, that's not going to be. Therefore, you can't count on thinking

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well at a time of great stress. So you can either train under stress

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situations until you get to where you
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is one option. That's what that's
what the Navy Seals do. Or you

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could, as an alternative to that, make things so simple and get them

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so close so they're not undoable for
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too big, too big for us
to affect. And I also trust in

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getting the word out. We were
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ago. By by getting the word
out, so I have one voice.

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But when we have ninety thousand subscribers
on YouTube and then people retweet and repost

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our stuff, you're reaching untold numbers
of people in igniting sparks in their mind.

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And that's how that's how humans have
always shared ideas, and an idea

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is a very powerful thing, very
true. Yeah, that's why they're trying

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to get us. Do not to
say these things. Well, so like

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when you're talking about you know,
Navy seals, airline pilot, they don't

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practice flying at cruising altitude and everything
is perfect. What happens when you lose

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an engine? What happens when you
lose both? What if something goes wrong?

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What if we lose electric by train? Emergency situations? And when you

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listen to the FAA black box,
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tower, they're never panicking. They're
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the problem at hand. You know, may may not work out, but

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that's exactly it. And the thing
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trying to knock you out of your
rational state into your irrational emotional state of

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fear and worry and doubt and all
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the pandemic hit, I just said, you know, I'm gonna do what

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I'm going to do. I'm going
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gonna I'm just not gonna pay any
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I had the best year that all
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happen to get COVID. I was
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a couple of days, six days
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of that three week illness, and
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weight, in better shape than I
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So you know, it's hard though
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it? Well? It is.
It depends, and my wife reminds me

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of that because given the preparedness focus
of our channel, I tend to be

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exposed to and seeking out feeds of
information to tell me where there's a problem

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so that we can talk about it, because it may be something people need

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to be aware of so they can
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information about where there needs to be
a problem can be a pit because if

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you stay in that mindset all the
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smelling the roses, you're not appreciating
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So we're challenging each other. It's
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pretty well at it. I think
of really stopping and watching the rainbows and

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noticing when the osprey is going on
it to go catch that fish out of

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them out of the pond, and
things like that. Just the wonders of

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our grandkids and the treasure of a
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thing is something that we're trying to
take the time to stop and appreciate,

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and it really makes it If an
exercise being active, yeah, you can

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say, oh, there's no purpose, it's not productive. It's like you

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swat a ball around the rack of
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I don't know. We feel a
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one thing, you know, scientists
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a lot of stuff with food nutrition. But the one thing that every doctor

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and every scientist out there agrees on
is you should be exercising and doing whatever

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you are physically able to do on
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you be healthier at the present,
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you'll be healthier then as well.
Right, and keeping your blown mass

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up and keep your muscle mass up
and stuff like that so important. Yeah.

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the elevator, she says, well, should we take the stairs instead?

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did yesterday because we didn't get our
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So it's a good reminder, accountability
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successful marriage. So I'm going to
ask you something a little off key here,

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a little oddball. But we've had
a lot of talk about UFOs or

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whatever they call them now AFPs or
something like that, and you know,

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and you wonder, is it a
siop? Si up? If you're not

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aware, is a si up is
an operation that is geared to control people

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psychologically. CIA is a master of
it is an extraterrestrial thing, the UFOs.

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Is this a siop or is it
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before of being something else above us? Certainly, if you can travel interstellarly

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between whatever planet they're at, you
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they can get here instantaneously. They're
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What's your take on this whole discussion. I don't know that I'll be able

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to speak intelligently to that subject.
I would just say that I have a

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science scientific training background, and that
that predisposes me to. I mean,

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I like what Galileo said. He
said the Book of Nature is open to

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all who would read it, and
the language is written in as mathematics.

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So I studied a lot of math, and I studied a lot of science.

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And that's why I've been really ticked
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being mislabeled as science. It's really
just indoctrination or or you know, just

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trying to corrupt it, well corruption
sure, trying to push a narrative,

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propaganda, and then just slapping the
label science on it, as though that's

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going to shut down conversation about it
as a conversation stopper. So I don't

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know the answer. When I was
speaking of a higher authority, I was

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being of a higher power being got
But that's fine. But so I don't

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actually know the answer. But I
guess any legitimate scientists would say, let's

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find out what we know and let's
be open to that rather than rather than

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predisposing. You know, I know
the answer before I even examine the evidence.

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So yeah, well it's just interesting
because certainly were the world's orson wills

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that whole radio thing. You know, he said five times that it was

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fake, but people people were jumping
off bridges and yeah, they were like,

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hey, we're getting invaded by extraterrestrial
because they trusted whatever came across the

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wires. And that's something that's Um. You mentioned how we've been in an

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dated with fear and worry as a
as a means of controlling people did remark

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in the governments of the world,
and the people of the world did an

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astonishing job of lockstep other than a
few oddballs like you that decided to go

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on with their life, you know, over the past three years. And

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you've got to ask yourself you have
a healthy, as you said, a

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healthy skepticism, not just towards government, but towards what you hear on the

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main media as well. Um,
so it can be, it can be

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bewildering as an ordinary person. How
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the truth and you always do a
gut check. You can check from different

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angles. I would say definitely,
don't just take one source as your only

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source. Try trying to weigh questions
like that. Couldn't agree more. I

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just find the whole thing fascinating.
You know, when I was like eleven

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years old, as in the backyard, and there had been a whole bunch

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of UFO sightings in the Worth East, New York, New Jersey, Connecticut,

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And I'm in the backyard and I
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It's a spherical object, but it
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But it's got like red lights flashing
and blue lights and green lights, and

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it leaves a trail of steam behind
it. I mean, it almost sounded

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like a hissing sound, and it
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media said that it was a meteor
and it crashed. Well, I don't

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know where that got all those lights
from. And I'm not saying it was

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an ET or a UFO. I'm
just saying that their explanation didn't never satisfied.

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That's not sufficient to what you had
observed. Yeah, we had our

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children observed something that I couldn't explain
or understand over when they were when they

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were young, and all three of
them had the same rendition of that not

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very different from what you described.
So yeah, that's it's it's worthy of

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curiosity, it's worthy of you know, inspection. So I don't have the

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answer for you. All right,
Well, hey, but we're always thinking

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and open to possibilities. I think
maybe that's what we both kind of specialize

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in. Is like you think you
know one thing. How many times do

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you find out you think you knew
something and you were wrong? Well?

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Yeah, so even in my engineering
career, I was I was responsible for

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like designing and specifying very complex expensive
equipment and when it would finally and designing

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and doing the drawings and sending it
off for fabrication. If when it would

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arrive, rather than just going,
oh, look it showed up, I'll

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check it off on the box,
I would crawl all over the equipment,

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measuring all the dimensions and everything like
that. So that old thing about trust

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and verify it absolutely applies. Yes, it's it's a good idea to look

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at where are the weaknesses in my
plan? Where where haven't I checked?

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My wife reminds me of this all
the time. It's like, well why

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didn't you check that? It's like, ah, because I get tired of

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checking everything and you finally get bit
at the time, you don't. So

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anyway, it's a good idea to
verify information and from multiple sources. That's

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another thing that really stinks about the
oppressive environment we're finding ourselves in where there's

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only one acceptable narrative and you can't
deviate from it. It's like says,

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who, I mean that that doesn't
make any sense. I mean, that's

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the that's anti size, that's unscientific, it's anti science. Is you know,

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challenge science is all about replication,
replicating results, and you know,

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blowing through theories that no longer serve. Right, if you have new new

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evidence that shows that that wasn't developed
there, then you get smarter and you

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move on. Yeah, but now
settled science to be science is anything but

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settled, right Einstein, there's still
saying yeah, he was mostly right,

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but there's a few areas he wasn't
right and they're working on them. So

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all right, Well, hey,
tell us where we find you, how

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we connect with you. Yeah,
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