1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:21,600 You're listening to your worst friend going Deeper. You're listening to your worst friend 2 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:24,399 going Deeper with Shane and Matt. I'm Matt. I'm joined today by my 3 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:28,960 friend and co host Shane. Hello. Hello, and we have a very 4 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:34,439 special guest with us today making headlines, which we will talk about at some 5 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:40,039 point. We're joined today by the lovely Caitlin Bell. Caitlin Bell can be 6 00:00:40,039 --> 00:00:45,880 found on Instagram at Official Caitlin Bell, on Twitter Latina Bell XO XO. 7 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,880 On only fans, get out there and go pay for it, Okay, 8 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:54,200 please, these people don't be cheap. It's just a couple bucks. Shell 9 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:58,320 it out. It's like three Starbucks if that. If you're getting cheap Starbucks, 10 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:00,560 Okay, go out there and get it. Only fans, Caitlin is 11 00:01:00,719 --> 00:01:03,920 naughty, and you can get links to everything she's doing and sign up for 12 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,640 a site at Caitlin bellvip dot com. Caitlin, thank you very much for 13 00:01:07,719 --> 00:01:11,959 joining us today. Hi guys, it's good to be here. So I've 14 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:15,560 been doing a ton of research on you listening to you have one of the 15 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:21,760 most fun personalities I've ever really listened to. You just are so sweet. 16 00:01:21,799 --> 00:01:26,719 But you know what, you're doing and you're smart and your energet and basically 17 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:33,560 what I'm saying is will you marry No, I'll think about it. Yeah 18 00:01:33,159 --> 00:01:37,120 yeah, don't tell that to my wife. Let's just ask her again at 19 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,239 the end of the episode. See see how she answers. Then yeah, 20 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,040 well she'll hang up halfway through. No, no, no, no thanks, 21 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:47,680 I'm not blind kind of situation. No, you'd have to be blind 22 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:51,680 to fall in love with me. I appreciate that, but um no, 23 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,760 so let me ask you first. Let's talk all right, let's get the 24 00:01:55,799 --> 00:01:59,239 people all excited who are talking about? What was your first foray into porn? 25 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:05,920 So I've been in the sex industry pretty much my whole life, on 26 00:02:05,959 --> 00:02:09,919 the escorting set. But what got me into porn itself was after COVID. 27 00:02:10,319 --> 00:02:15,960 We were all stuck in our apartments, you know, regretting life and all 28 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,560 the things we did or we didn't do, And I got recruited off Twitter. 29 00:02:20,199 --> 00:02:23,520 Some guy had been following. His name was Michael Whittaker, Thank you 30 00:02:23,599 --> 00:02:27,360 so much, and he was like, I've been following your career. He's 31 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,520 like, have you ever thought about porns? Like you're absolutely out of your 32 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,159 mind, and he goes well, what do you can You lose the world 33 00:02:32,159 --> 00:02:35,919 at my end, and we're going through a pandemic. So I was like, 34 00:02:36,199 --> 00:02:38,360 you know what, You're right. And it happened to start in Fort 35 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:43,120 Lauderdale, Florida, which is where I was planning to move a week before. 36 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:47,719 So I feel like it was written in the stars for me and I 37 00:02:47,759 --> 00:02:54,840 just went with it. So destiny, Yeah, yes, it was destiny. 38 00:02:54,879 --> 00:02:59,439 So you said you were always in escorting, right, did that start 39 00:02:59,479 --> 00:03:05,159 when you were eighteen, nineteen twenty or did you have any other different ambition 40 00:03:05,199 --> 00:03:10,240 before life? Well? Okay, well my whole thirties pretty much. Okay, 41 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:14,759 So I started when I was twenty eight. Prior to that, I 42 00:03:14,879 --> 00:03:19,560 was a stay at home taking care of rich girl. I thought that's what 43 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,319 I wanted, the white picket fence, three story house, a nice car, 44 00:03:23,439 --> 00:03:25,520 all the money I want. When at the end of the day, 45 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:29,439 I wanted to make some money on my own. So I left that horrible 46 00:03:29,479 --> 00:03:34,319 relationship and lo and behold, he was cheating on me and frequency a strip 47 00:03:34,319 --> 00:03:37,400 club that was down the street from our house. So in order to get 48 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:42,560 back at him, I started working at that strip club that he had VIP 49 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:46,719 parking at and he never stepped foot in there, so I actually thank him 50 00:03:46,719 --> 00:03:50,520 because if it weren't for him in each cheating ways, I wouldn't have wanted 51 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,319 to get revenge and start working at a strip club, which I never in 52 00:03:53,439 --> 00:03:57,199 a million years thought I did. But it was the most liberating thing I 53 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,800 did for myself, and I was like, Wow, I self can make 54 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:02,719 all the money that I watched the way that I want to make it and 55 00:04:03,719 --> 00:04:08,759 get to know my sexuality. So again, sometimes bad things happen, but 56 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:12,520 good things can come up them. See, it's surprised me. It surprised 57 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,919 me that you said you you were a stay at home well you know wife, 58 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:19,040 because you have like not in a negative way, because this is going 59 00:04:19,079 --> 00:04:24,120 to sound like a real negative salesperson written all over you. Like if you 60 00:04:24,199 --> 00:04:28,199 told me you were slinging viagraah for Fiser somewhere, which we are not sponsored 61 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,160 by viser by the way, Um, I'd be like, Oh, she's 62 00:04:30,199 --> 00:04:36,040 the regional sales rep of the decade or something like that. Uman, do 63 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:40,240 you you? You you seem to I know nothing about you yet but will 64 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,759 dive into it. But um, nothing more than I've read or I've seen 65 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,800 or watched or listened to but um sales. I mean, did you learn 66 00:04:47,959 --> 00:04:53,959 that in the strip club or was sales just like you kind of you kind 67 00:04:53,959 --> 00:04:58,079 of knew, like can you feel it when you're into sales. No. 68 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,639 The thing that got out of that relationship is he was a CEO of a 69 00:05:01,759 --> 00:05:06,399 very large company and he used to take me to all these conventions and he 70 00:05:06,439 --> 00:05:12,120 would teach me how to pick the most important person in the room out and 71 00:05:12,399 --> 00:05:15,959 have and somehow find a way for us to have a conversation with him, 72 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,399 so then he could strike up a business still while he was walking the sales 73 00:05:18,439 --> 00:05:24,519 floor making other connections. So again, bad situation. But he taught me 74 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:28,800 everything I need to know about sales and how to approach people, how to 75 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:30,920 see who the most important person in the room is. And I just kind 76 00:05:30,959 --> 00:05:38,199 of used those skills that he taught me to strip. How did that benefit 77 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,120 you when you were working at the club? I mean, were you just 78 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,680 run I mean, let's be honest, No, no offense to your sales 79 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,000 skills, which I just complimented here. But you don't look like a chick 80 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,439 that gets turned down a lot for dances, by the way. I mean, 81 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:53,399 it's not like you have no offense. It's it's not it's kind of 82 00:05:53,399 --> 00:05:56,839 like you're welcome around selling the cure for cancer to cancer patients. It's like, 83 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,879 oh they needed would I wouldn't say, you'd be like, I'll just 84 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,639 oh, yeah, really, I keep going back to the former references. 85 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:11,079 Here, let's get a sponsorship. I can't really see you walk around a 86 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,040 club and you come up and I think to myself, I'll just wait for 87 00:06:14,079 --> 00:06:17,920 something better. What what is going to come around that's better? Yeah. 88 00:06:17,959 --> 00:06:21,439 Well, we also have to figure out though, because there's so many different 89 00:06:21,439 --> 00:06:26,480 personalities and I didn't know how to dance at all. I literally was like, 90 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,160 let's do this. Well. People don't realize is that dancing is extremely 91 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:34,480 hard and taxing on your body, and I lost twenty pounds the first month 92 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:40,879 I worked there. So I had to learn other ways to shine, which 93 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:45,079 whether it would be how I dressed. I always were mostly all white lingerie 94 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,279 that would hit the black light so that I was, you know, my 95 00:06:47,319 --> 00:06:50,279 hair was blond, it would pick up the light that would be a certain 96 00:06:50,319 --> 00:06:55,319 way, and my speaking skills like yeah, I might be able to give 97 00:06:55,319 --> 00:06:57,600 you the best lap dance at the time, but I could sit there and 98 00:06:57,639 --> 00:07:00,600 actually make you think, and I did give a shit about why you're there 99 00:07:00,759 --> 00:07:05,199 or why you're not there and dive into you're sad or not sad story. 100 00:07:05,319 --> 00:07:09,959 So guys would come there not to just see me dance at the beginning. 101 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,560 They came there to talk to me and to relate to me in certain ways. 102 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:18,800 So, yeah, you gotta use what you gotta use for talentsoever you 103 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:23,720 can in any situation with tenism. So that's how I use them at the 104 00:07:23,759 --> 00:07:27,800 strip club. And I was only stripping for two months because I figured out 105 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:33,680 that you work smarter, not harder, and esporting was a much easier and 106 00:07:34,279 --> 00:07:42,680 more profitable way that didn't involve for am nights and smoke. So I weighed 107 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,879 the options. Yeah, yeah, Change, did you have any question? 108 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:51,120 Change's wife is actually a poll instructor? Um, Yeah, I don't know. 109 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:54,079 I don't mean to throw you under the bus like that. I just 110 00:07:54,199 --> 00:07:58,959 I not. I'm not saying this in a shot or a negative way, 111 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:03,800 but I always have to hear, not have to enjoy hearing about how much 112 00:08:03,839 --> 00:08:07,160 work pole is and learning it and working on it. And it seems like, 113 00:08:07,399 --> 00:08:11,959 you know, I'm gaining more and more respect for it by the more 114 00:08:11,959 --> 00:08:16,560 by more performers that we're talking to. You know. I again, I 115 00:08:16,639 --> 00:08:20,439 never did disrespected it before, but to me, you could just stand on 116 00:08:20,519 --> 00:08:22,720 stage and kind of just move your arms. I'd be like, yeah, 117 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,040 that's good. I feel like they're doing that when I'm featuring. I'm like, 118 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,920 I was like, guys, I don't know what the fuck are doing. 119 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,759 They're like, just just walk out there. I'm like, no, 120 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,879 I'm not going to just walk out there. They're like, there's a girl 121 00:08:33,879 --> 00:08:39,360 who literally flops around the stage, like flops around. This isn't you know. 122 00:08:39,399 --> 00:08:41,600 They're not using the term like she's like just flopping around. She looks 123 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:46,840 ridiculous, but trying to do a nineties worm. Yeah yeah, yeah, 124 00:08:46,879 --> 00:08:48,799 yeah exactly. It looks like a dish rag that you threw on the scene, 125 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,720 just kind of flop it up and down. Shane, did you have 126 00:08:52,759 --> 00:08:56,360 any questions? I hate I dive into these and I just Chane sits there 127 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:01,320 quietly until it can sneak a question, and so if I try and push 128 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,919 it more, don't feel obligated to either, though. Shane, Well, 129 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:09,559 so how did it feel. I mean, was that a hang up for 130 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:15,080 you moving from the club to escorting or I mean, I guess we can 131 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:22,799 actually ask our question where we rank our our motivation for staying in the business. 132 00:09:22,879 --> 00:09:26,799 But it's like, you know, you'd think, like some people, 133 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:33,120 not all, but some people might have like some reservations about moving from just 134 00:09:33,279 --> 00:09:37,600 taking your clothes off or just dancing on people to actually escorting, like you 135 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:41,960 know, you know, giving yourself over to somebody, you know, a 136 00:09:41,039 --> 00:09:46,080 stranger for a certain amount of time and then doing that perpetually. Did you 137 00:09:46,879 --> 00:09:50,519 have a hang up on that or was that no big deal? It wasn't 138 00:09:50,519 --> 00:09:56,080 a big deal because I found myself the strip club in these VIP rooms with 139 00:09:56,159 --> 00:10:00,240 the person for two three hours, and I mean, I'm only doing so 140 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,919 much dancing, and a lot of time we were just talking like you know, 141 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,440 of course dancing and stuff, but I was just talking a lot of 142 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,919 the time. Like and even in my escorting situations, people think that I'm 143 00:10:09,919 --> 00:10:13,120 going and they're getting fucked at death. I'm not. The guys that I 144 00:10:13,159 --> 00:10:18,279 pick treat me like this is a first date and they're losing their rigidity. 145 00:10:18,799 --> 00:10:22,600 So yeah, so it's you know, it's it is. It feels like 146 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:26,240 a first day every time I go on these these excursions with these individuals, 147 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:31,440 and I realized just being in just stripping that I was very comfortable taking my 148 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:37,759 clothes off. I couldn't understand why. And even in porn, I was 149 00:10:37,919 --> 00:10:41,679 absolutely terrified, Like I was shaking so much that my makeup artist was like, 150 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:46,080 if you can't stop shaking, I'm not going to do this because I'm 151 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,960 going to stab you in the in the eye. And I was like, 152 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,720 I know, I know, I know. And I was even right before 153 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:56,159 the camera went on, What the fuck was I thinking like, oh my 154 00:10:56,279 --> 00:10:58,840 god, But then all these people are there, You've already flown down. 155 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,080 It's like, just do it. But I was having a panic attack. 156 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:09,080 Um, But the moment the camera went on, it was the craziest feeling. 157 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:16,919 I went from being completely nauseous and sick to just I felt so free 158 00:11:16,919 --> 00:11:20,559 and not afraid and like insecure, not insecure at all. It was just 159 00:11:20,639 --> 00:11:24,879 It's the craziest feeling. And it happened every single time that Cabra comes on. 160 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:31,200 Now I'm just embracing it more and staring more deeply into its eyes. 161 00:11:31,279 --> 00:11:35,600 I guess did you get that feeling the time you you the first time you 162 00:11:35,639 --> 00:11:39,879 took your clothes off on stage at the strip club or were you just fueled 163 00:11:39,879 --> 00:11:43,200 by anger at though? Okay, okay, no, no, I was 164 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,519 even when I that's the craziest thing. It's getting easier. But even when 165 00:11:48,519 --> 00:11:52,799 I featured as my friends who see me, I have a slight panic attack. 166 00:11:52,879 --> 00:11:58,840 I'm like, I feel I've thrown up a few times. But some 167 00:12:00,039 --> 00:12:03,360 times they've pushed me on stage and it's just I get pushed out there. 168 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:07,200 I see the lights, I see the people, and it's gone, like 169 00:12:07,639 --> 00:12:13,720 everything's just gone. Sure, we going back to something you said about business 170 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,879 and how smart it is, and I heard you say this in another interview. 171 00:12:16,879 --> 00:12:18,679 It made total sense to me, and it was actually the blueprint on 172 00:12:18,759 --> 00:12:24,000 how I did this as well, how Shane and I built this. Now 173 00:12:24,039 --> 00:12:26,399 we're downloaded in over one hundred countries, we have a lot of reach, 174 00:12:26,519 --> 00:12:30,919 pretty decent reach. It's growing more and more. But when we first started, 175 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,720 we were getting like nothing, obviously, because we wants to listen to 176 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,559 just two people talk if you don't know them, there's no fame per behind 177 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:41,639 it. And what I did was in the first season of booking our porn 178 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:46,240 star interviews, I reached out to all the biggest names I could obviously didn't 179 00:12:46,279 --> 00:12:48,519 hear anything back went down. The level went down a couple level. No 180 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,240 insult to the women on there, they were great. It's just in terms 181 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:56,120 of fame it was a little bit different. And sometimes your DMS, your 182 00:12:56,279 --> 00:13:01,559 messages will go into our DMS and we won't see them for as well. 183 00:13:01,759 --> 00:13:05,759 See, I figured that. So what I did was and obviously we had 184 00:13:05,759 --> 00:13:07,799 a little follower account at the time. So what I actually did was I 185 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:13,519 went to certain escorting websites and I found email addresses, but I addressed it 186 00:13:13,639 --> 00:13:16,320 very professionally. There was no bait and switch. I wasn't like, hey, 187 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:20,159 by the way, we'll give you a No. We were able to 188 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:22,519 and she was not on one of the escorting websites. I was able to 189 00:13:22,519 --> 00:13:26,639 find this. We were able to get Sarah J. Who is a huge 190 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:30,240 name in the industry at the time, she had five million followers on Instagram. 191 00:13:30,279 --> 00:13:33,399 That kicked those off, she lost that account. Whatever. But like 192 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:37,559 you said, in terms of meeting someone big, talking to someone big, 193 00:13:37,799 --> 00:13:41,720 you could potentially close the deal, but maybe you learn something from them, 194 00:13:41,759 --> 00:13:45,519 maybe whatever. That gave us credibility too. Hey, these guys talked to 195 00:13:45,639 --> 00:13:48,159 Sarah J. Who's got one. From there, we had different PR agents 196 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:50,679 reaching out to us saying, hey, we'd like to get our client on 197 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,440 your show blah blah blah blah blah. And from that point on, my 198 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:58,000 thing is you just have to do it, and you have to do it 199 00:13:58,039 --> 00:14:01,759 well. So recording this now, this isn't going to come out until I 200 00:14:01,759 --> 00:14:07,559 believe may and you're one of our middle number of interviews. Because I take 201 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:09,440 the time to edit things, I take the time to clean everything up. 202 00:14:09,639 --> 00:14:13,840 I want to give a good presentation. I feel like there's a lot of 203 00:14:13,879 --> 00:14:18,039 that in you where it seems like you are. Are you a bit of 204 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:22,600 a perfectionist with things? And not at all in the negative way I am 205 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:26,519 when it comes to things that I really love, Oh yeah, No, 206 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:28,559 I don't care about the other sit now oh yeah, and I'm just like 207 00:14:28,879 --> 00:14:33,159 whatever. But when it comes to things that I really loved and enjoy, 208 00:14:33,399 --> 00:14:35,440 and you know, yes, I put my whole heart into it. Sure, 209 00:14:35,679 --> 00:14:39,519 I've always said this since I was in my twenties, and I never 210 00:14:39,559 --> 00:14:41,799 followed it on a day job, and it's unfortunate I never did it. 211 00:14:41,879 --> 00:14:46,360 Used to tell people all the time. There's a CEO of waste management somewhere. 212 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:50,159 If you like picking up trash, do that to the best of your 213 00:14:50,159 --> 00:14:54,240 ability and work your way up the chain. I am completely I don't know 214 00:14:54,399 --> 00:15:01,440 what you're doing when it comes to the trash pile all your heart. Yeah, 215 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:09,279 and you enjoy anything that sounds cliche and cheesy, but it's true. 216 00:15:09,799 --> 00:15:13,480 It's it's one hundred percent true. I worked at best Buy in high school 217 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,279 and the CEO at the time who got fired for buying gifts for his secretary 218 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:20,159 on the on the on the down low, um, but he started as 219 00:15:20,159 --> 00:15:24,279 a guy stocking shelves. And it's it's really if you're passionate about something, 220 00:15:24,399 --> 00:15:28,039 and maybe my passion is not the same as your passion, but if you're 221 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,799 passionate about something, there's a boss in that industry. So just there is 222 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:37,039 it. So how there's people that that you can relate to that are proud 223 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:41,720 of what you're doing. And that's why I love the industry. So community 224 00:15:41,879 --> 00:15:46,960 exactly. I finally have a community of people that are applauding me and saying 225 00:15:48,039 --> 00:15:52,080 good job. And that's that means a lot. Sure, sure, so 226 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,799 what how are you going to apply that even further going forward? Because I 227 00:15:54,879 --> 00:16:00,559 looked I was looking at your you know, I a f D and this 228 00:16:00,679 --> 00:16:03,600 and that, and I go, this girl's okay. Here's how my misconceptions 229 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,559 were. I'm like, okay, this girl's in her twenties and she's been 230 00:16:07,559 --> 00:16:12,000 doing this probably eight nine years. You're not. You look incredible. You're 231 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,519 not even that old. But I don't want to make it sound like that, 232 00:16:15,679 --> 00:16:21,720 but you look incredible for your age and why older than that? But 233 00:16:21,799 --> 00:16:26,600 thank you. And you've only been in the porn industry for two years now, 234 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:30,399 so two years and joy, Yeah, you seem like you're hitting this 235 00:16:30,679 --> 00:16:34,399 meteoric growth. Is that the same principles we just talked about where it's you 236 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:38,600 want to associate with the best names, maybe not even the biggest names, 237 00:16:38,759 --> 00:16:44,720 the best names that can put you into positions to then skyrocket your own career. 238 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,919 Yes, and you do. You just fired off of what I was 239 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:51,720 going to say next. It's not only the community, but the time of 240 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:55,279 the community that you surround yourself with the type of people. So now I'm 241 00:16:55,279 --> 00:17:00,279 being very careful who I bring into my world and who I should content with 242 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,759 because I have my own path. Everyone has their own path, and I 243 00:17:03,799 --> 00:17:07,400 don't need to be shooting with every single person that someone else may want to. 244 00:17:08,839 --> 00:17:12,160 But I am being very careful with my content now. There is a 245 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:17,039 very strategic plan that's going into play. I just started doing my content and 246 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:21,720 focusing heavily on it. And it's a method. All these content creators that 247 00:17:21,759 --> 00:17:26,200 are making tons of money are business people and they're using it and using a 248 00:17:26,319 --> 00:17:32,640 method to create this income. And I'm learning that method. It's work. 249 00:17:32,839 --> 00:17:37,759 But I can see a very very shiny bright light at the end of the 250 00:17:37,799 --> 00:17:41,519 tunnel. So this is not to denigrate any of the scenes you've done or 251 00:17:41,559 --> 00:17:45,799 anything like that, or the people you've worked with. Looking back at your 252 00:17:45,839 --> 00:17:48,359 plan as it is now, where there's scenes you wish you could take back, 253 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:49,920 and I'm not going to ask you a name any of them. No, 254 00:17:51,039 --> 00:17:55,640 you're fine with all. I'm very very lucky, just I think because 255 00:17:55,680 --> 00:18:00,440 I did start so late in the industry and I had a great pea, 256 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:04,720 I mean a great rap Brian in Florida really to a care of me when 257 00:18:04,759 --> 00:18:07,319 I got to the industry. You know, he put my price point in 258 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:11,440 a certain way, and he shot me with the biggest names from the beginning. 259 00:18:11,519 --> 00:18:15,960 I feel like I'm looking back and I'm like fuck Like, I don't 260 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:21,200 have any like low films that I really did, you know, or horror 261 00:18:21,279 --> 00:18:25,519 stories that some of these people go through. So I'm just lucky. There's 262 00:18:25,559 --> 00:18:30,079 not a single scene out there that I regret. Sure lucky, but at 263 00:18:30,079 --> 00:18:33,680 the same time strategic, and I think new girls who are coming into the 264 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,880 industry need to know that you don't. I understand pay and rent is important, 265 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:44,200 but you don't need to take everything that you may look back as a 266 00:18:44,279 --> 00:18:48,079 black something you may look back as a black mark on your record at some 267 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:51,759 point, I want I want all the girls voice out there to know that 268 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:56,839 you do whatever makes you comfortable. You do not have to do a single 269 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:00,279 thing, not a minuscule thing that makes you uncomfortable, and the people and 270 00:19:00,319 --> 00:19:06,480 the talents will respect that. And if they don't say something like this is 271 00:19:06,519 --> 00:19:10,160 a fun industry, it's the messed up people that create a bad name for 272 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,160 it. But the rest of us out here are just trying to have fun 273 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:17,599 and make money. Sure that kind of leads me into my next question, 274 00:19:17,839 --> 00:19:19,240 Shane, do you have anything before I jump into this? Though? No, 275 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:22,440 I think I know what you're going to say. Go ahead. Well, 276 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,200 recently there's been some controversy. I don't want to use any names personally, 277 00:19:26,279 --> 00:19:29,720 You're welcome to but there's been a lot of it feels like over the 278 00:19:29,799 --> 00:19:34,960 last probably three months, I've seen random people or studios or whatever people are 279 00:19:36,319 --> 00:19:42,119 calling them out right. And I respect calling out bad people right right, 280 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:48,279 But is there also possibly a problem with interpretation, like maybe someone said something 281 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,599 I'm not even asking a comment on specific issues, I mean just in the 282 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:56,440 industry. How tricky is it to kind of navigate that? I hate using 283 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:00,200 cancel culture, but you know, like if you've had a experience with a 284 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:04,160 performer, right, nothing but good experiences, they were sweetheart, and then 285 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,920 someone else had a bad experience with that performer, but you're friends with that 286 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,599 person, and that person starts calling out that performer, do you feel obligated 287 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:17,720 to stand up for that person at all? Or because then you'd be kind 288 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:22,440 of shooting down somebody you did have a good experience. I take my basis 289 00:20:22,559 --> 00:20:25,920 or my situation on a person by person basis. I do this in my 290 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,839 relationship, my friendships, everything. If I have had a good experience with 291 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,680 you and you've done nothing wrong to me, I have no qualms or I'm 292 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:34,640 not upset about it. I'm not going to take it out on you, 293 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,759 and I'll continue to shoot with you. I will question and i will ask 294 00:20:37,759 --> 00:20:42,799 you to your face what happened? What was the situation? And nine times 295 00:20:42,839 --> 00:20:48,279 of the ten I've asked these questions, it's a misunderstanding on one part or 296 00:20:48,279 --> 00:20:52,000 the other. So I am just like friendships. If you're not going to 297 00:20:52,039 --> 00:20:56,319 be friends with that person and they did you wrong, I'm not taking sides. 298 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:57,559 If you expect me too, well, then we're not going to work 299 00:20:57,559 --> 00:21:02,359 together because this is an high school guys, this is this is business. 300 00:21:02,599 --> 00:21:07,079 Um, she's good. But if there's if there was real true rape involved 301 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:11,359 with there are situations where you know, then that's a different story. But 302 00:21:11,599 --> 00:21:18,079 I need to see concrete evidence that this happened and then we can talk about 303 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:22,599 me not shooting with that person again, sure is there and again not asking 304 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,720 for names. Is their companies or performers or anything else that you have like 305 00:21:26,799 --> 00:21:30,640 on a no list that you're just like, ah no, not necessarily. 306 00:21:30,759 --> 00:21:34,480 Do you have any type of scenes that are on a no list for you? 307 00:21:34,519 --> 00:21:38,240 In terms of your brand, Um, well, I haven't done anal 308 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:42,720 not that it's not my brand. I've actually really want to. I'm just 309 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:48,160 terrified. Um, I'm just getting these big old you know, cocks in 310 00:21:48,279 --> 00:21:52,160 my buzzy. Um, which I'm I think I'm taking them like a champ. 311 00:21:52,319 --> 00:21:56,559 But back there, I mean, I've had it before, but it 312 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,759 was you know, I was in love and in college you know a lot 313 00:22:00,799 --> 00:22:06,960 of molly. Yeah that helps. Yeah, so now things are different us. 314 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:15,880 It's usually a deciding factor for melly involved involved. Yeah, so it's 315 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,400 going to happen. I know it is. I'm just well, how do 316 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:26,279 you feel about piss No? I mean no, I won't personally. I 317 00:22:26,319 --> 00:22:29,079 think it's fine. I just don't want it on me. I'll pee on 318 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:33,279 someone though I have. But that's a typical answer. Um. Yeah. 319 00:22:33,279 --> 00:22:37,519 But as far as shooting content though, you it's that's an open door where 320 00:22:37,519 --> 00:22:41,160 you'll you know, you're at least willing to piss board somebody. Yeah, 321 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,960 I'll pisspoort. So I just don't want to be Peter. That's just my 322 00:22:45,079 --> 00:22:49,079 preference. Fair now. Yeah, that's the dividing line between Shane and I. 323 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:55,240 Hear I'm not into Urine. Shane is respect it both ways. Now, 324 00:22:55,319 --> 00:22:57,039 let me ask you, you're not into it? Is it because it's 325 00:22:57,079 --> 00:23:00,880 gross to you, or because it's degrading. I feel like it's degrading. 326 00:23:02,519 --> 00:23:06,720 I don't like buy Bali fluids, p ships. I mean, ship's wayne 327 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,359 ever, I'll you know, I just for me, it's a degrading thing. 328 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,839 And that understand. I don't hope that's just not my image. Totally 329 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:22,039 understands degrading. No me. I think it's because it's more socially accepted to 330 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:26,200 come on someone's face. Like I really like come too, So maybe that's 331 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,039 the difference. I don't really like urine, but I love Stephen. See 332 00:23:30,039 --> 00:23:33,759 Shane's trying to. He's starting a new organization called Stop the Stigma. But 333 00:23:33,839 --> 00:23:40,440 it's about urine play and how it should be accepted in society, accepted publicly. 334 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,039 He thinks it should be taught in schools, all kinds of stuff. 335 00:23:42,599 --> 00:23:48,400 Um, kids, he got each other. Yeah, yeah, he wants 336 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:53,680 to incorporated into the gym curriculum. So you know that's his thing though. 337 00:23:53,680 --> 00:24:00,880 And I don't make judgments. Um, so we do thing you mentioned. 338 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,680 Shit there for a second. It's called sack right because inevitably, when we 339 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,279 first started the show, we wanted to ask girls, hey, what is 340 00:24:07,319 --> 00:24:11,519 something you are absolutely not into so people put piss out of the equation because 341 00:24:11,559 --> 00:24:15,759 you're not. But let's do that. And they would always bring up one 342 00:24:15,799 --> 00:24:22,160 of the three shit animals or kids, and we understand shit animals and kids 343 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:26,440 are kind of a given for us at least, like you didn't people, 344 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,240 Yeah, you didn't have to tell us or like I probably wouldn't fucking eat 345 00:24:30,319 --> 00:24:32,160 year old. It's like, yeah, we know you wouldn't. And if 346 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:37,279 you would, let me hang up this call right now, yeah, please, 347 00:24:37,319 --> 00:24:38,720 Well i'd post it online first for a little bit of cloud, but 348 00:24:38,759 --> 00:24:45,200 yeah, sure, no exactly. Um, is there anything else aside from 349 00:24:45,319 --> 00:24:49,640 urine where you're just like not in me? That's not something I'll I'm interested 350 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:57,400 in? Really? Oh oh see now your well wait wait, if I 351 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,400 could, I would, I would do a glow bang, but I would 352 00:25:00,519 --> 00:25:04,400 have to pick, I guess, just like I would do a gamming pick 353 00:25:04,559 --> 00:25:08,200 every single talent that was doing it to me. I would have to hand 354 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:14,759 select my glowbang crew, which I think that an orgy would be the same 355 00:25:14,799 --> 00:25:17,680 way, or a game wing. Sure, yeah, so why why the 356 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:22,759 aversion to that, Like if they're all tested in like like reputable talent, 357 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,440 Yeah, I think it's because yes, I want all the individuals that are 358 00:25:26,519 --> 00:25:33,720 in there to be reputable talent and again, degrading thing. I like the 359 00:25:33,799 --> 00:25:37,960 degrading thing when it's on, like on my choice. So I just having 360 00:25:38,039 --> 00:25:42,920 a bunch of random guys I don't know coming in my face doesn't sound like 361 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,480 fun. But a bunch of guys I do know that I think before coming 362 00:25:47,519 --> 00:25:49,839 on my face. Different story. Sure, you know, we just had 363 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:55,440 this discussion with another performer. Her name is kat Karma Orgasmic. She started 364 00:25:55,559 --> 00:26:00,680 mostly on only fans and she's gotten real big since then. But we talk 365 00:26:00,759 --> 00:26:03,440 to her and her husband. Actually they're swingers, and her husband and I 366 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,079 both connected on this type of thing. Who was wanting to bang his wife? 367 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:11,920 No, I'm just kidding. Her husband and I both connected on this 368 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:17,240 thing where we both like group porn, gang bang porn, blowbanks, but 369 00:26:17,279 --> 00:26:21,200 we're not into the degradation part of it. So it's like, I want 370 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:26,279 a chick that is just fully satisfied in every way. I don't need like 371 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,839 three guys just like I'm getting mine, you know. So I assume if 372 00:26:30,839 --> 00:26:33,720 you were to shoot a type of scene like that, it would have to 373 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,039 be almost in that sense, Yeah, but I feel like, because yeah, 374 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,559 you're you're the main character. But all these guys is come in your 375 00:26:40,559 --> 00:26:45,359 face is what the scene's all about. Sure, and you know they're just 376 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,559 their goal is to just come on her face. There's not really anything else 377 00:26:48,599 --> 00:26:53,079 that goes with it. Oh and you're just the dumpster taking it. What 378 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,920 if they curtsied and kiss your hand afterwards though, to like kind of affirm 379 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:04,000 like I am appreciate it, that's a great idea. What if they your 380 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,559 they what if they ate their own come off your face afterwards, like cleaned 381 00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:11,720 you up. That's not much for me either. Like that, Yeah, 382 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,400 I bet I knew she would. I knew it because I could tell she's 383 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,000 a lot like my wife. I feel like, because I feel like my 384 00:27:18,039 --> 00:27:21,279 wife and I were having this discussion the other day. She does online content 385 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,480 too, and we're we're just talking about like getting her new scene partners and 386 00:27:25,519 --> 00:27:27,839 stuff like that, and we're we're kind of in the same mindset where it's 387 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:34,359 like, you know, if if you're going to be picking people to be 388 00:27:34,559 --> 00:27:40,480 shooting this content with, you don't want just like some random shlub. You 389 00:27:40,519 --> 00:27:45,960 know, you want somebody who's gonna you want somebody who's going to be a 390 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:53,000 able to help further your career, be able to provide like an adequate scene, 391 00:27:53,079 --> 00:27:56,200 you know, shoot a really good scene and not you know, just 392 00:27:56,599 --> 00:28:03,440 come in two seconds and just not perform warm and in three uh, somebody 393 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,799 who you actually like, like you said, you know, and that's that 394 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,440 is really difficult. I mean, especially for us, like you know, 395 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:18,799 making amateur content stuff, it's really difficult to find male talent. M who 396 00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:23,480 who I mean, just go on Twitter and and try and find male talent. 397 00:28:23,559 --> 00:28:27,759 You will get a hundred replies to a single post in one minute, 398 00:28:27,759 --> 00:28:30,680 and it's going to be you know, ninety nine of them are just gonna 399 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,480 be dudes just jamming cock picks in their face. Like I'll shoot a scene 400 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,559 with you. It's like, all right, man, have you ever shot 401 00:28:38,599 --> 00:28:42,799 a scene? You know, like so they can do apart it so funny. 402 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:48,079 Yeah. Yeah, So I definitely respect that mindset where it's like, 403 00:28:48,279 --> 00:28:55,359 you're not gonna cowtow to the scene. You are the scene. You know, 404 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,599 just because it's a blowbang doesn't mean you have to lower your standards. 405 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,519 Um, and I'm assuming it's fun, yeah, I can tell. I'm 406 00:29:03,519 --> 00:29:07,799 assuming you've been like that your whole life, right? What just um, 407 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,759 you're kind of like h have you always been? Like? Um? Probably 408 00:29:12,079 --> 00:29:15,880 too good for the guys you date a little, not that you act that 409 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:22,160 way, right. My friends always say, I date like really bad? 410 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,440 You date down? Is that your thing? Sometimes I haven't told that, 411 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:32,000 but I'm done. I am now You're taking exactly. I love it so 412 00:29:32,079 --> 00:29:36,440 much, so like now I'm just like what, I have a sad day, 413 00:29:36,559 --> 00:29:38,039 you know, with someone that I was dating, and then I go 414 00:29:38,079 --> 00:29:44,559 on set. I'm treated like a queen and sexually satisfied, and I leave 415 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,480 set with a smile. I feel at a check and I was gonna say 416 00:29:48,519 --> 00:29:52,240 in a paycheck too, um, and you know, just the satisfaction that 417 00:29:52,279 --> 00:29:56,839 I got through that scene. I'm so proud of myself. I'm done with 418 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:02,400 these bad relationships. My last one, it was done. My friends are 419 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:03,599 like, why do you do this? And I'm like, I don't know. 420 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:10,559 I think it's because I have ugly duckling syndrome. But I'm done. 421 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:15,599 I realized, like the next guy that I with is going to accept and 422 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,599 love me for me and be extremely proud that I like to have sex on 423 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,680 camera. She wants to join by all means. If not, do not 424 00:30:22,839 --> 00:30:27,960 stop me from doing it, because I'm not going to watch now exactly could 425 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,720 a guy get you out of the industry? Though not at all? Right, 426 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,279 let me give you the thing ready. This guy's got a lot of 427 00:30:36,359 --> 00:30:38,640 zeros in the bank. I understand you've been there before. No, no, 428 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:45,079 no, this guy really cares about taking care of himself, motivated, 429 00:30:45,519 --> 00:30:48,799 but he also understands work life balance. Maybe he's made his money already. 430 00:30:48,839 --> 00:30:52,960 It's got a great dick. I like to call it an anti Matt dick. 431 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:57,559 It's solid, okay, and he's like, hey, lets you know, 432 00:30:57,599 --> 00:31:00,759 hey, Caitlin, on call whenever you want it, and it is 433 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,400 some of the best sex you've ever had. And I have to go ahead, 434 00:31:04,519 --> 00:31:12,079 go ahead, stay goodbye to morem Though what if? What if? 435 00:31:12,519 --> 00:31:15,119 And again, he's not doing this for the money, He has his own 436 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:21,240 money. What if he goes let me be your permanent, only fancyne partner. 437 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:26,920 Yeah no, I've actually actually had a similar situation like that happened a 438 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:33,359 few months last year. Great guy, We're still friends and excreamely loaded. 439 00:31:34,119 --> 00:31:38,279 Um offered me everything, put it on the table and said this is all 440 00:31:38,319 --> 00:31:42,440 yours. I thought about it. I actually moved in with him for a 441 00:31:42,519 --> 00:31:47,240 month and I said, I'm sorry, I can't. I can't do it. 442 00:31:47,319 --> 00:31:49,400 I miss I missed them. I miss it too much, and lock 443 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,680 her down. Now. So when you go online you see your friends doing 444 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:59,200 all these cool things, you're just right. You're sitting in your mansion like, 445 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:06,160 hmm, this is fun. But okay, so she alluded to this 446 00:32:06,279 --> 00:32:09,799 question earlier. Let's let's ask this one. So currently, there are three 447 00:32:09,839 --> 00:32:14,759 factors we believe keeping women in porn, right, it'd be funny if I 448 00:32:14,839 --> 00:32:16,559 just reversed this and went to a Christian thing and tried to talk you out 449 00:32:16,599 --> 00:32:22,240 of it for the next Yeah, there's three factors there. Now we're scientologists 450 00:32:22,279 --> 00:32:25,359 acts. Yeah, yeah, we'd like to get you to join the Church 451 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:30,039 of Scientology. Um, it's really fun. There's aliens and stuff, and 452 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:35,039 yeah, all you have to do is fuck Tom Cruise. Um. Three 453 00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:39,319 factors money or like, the pay, the fame, the sex. Could 454 00:32:39,359 --> 00:32:44,680 you rank those three which are most important to you in the porn industry? 455 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:52,400 The money, the fame, the sex, the pay um the sex and 456 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,720 then the fame is last. Okay, all right, fair enough? Yeah, 457 00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:59,559 they all they all kind of coordinate in one way or another. If 458 00:32:59,559 --> 00:33:02,000 you have a lot of money, you'll probably become famous off of it. 459 00:33:02,039 --> 00:33:06,599 But I really don't care about the fame. I was having this conversation with 460 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:12,400 the talent earlier, and we both are not like Lime Nite people. We 461 00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:16,519 like to, you know, observe the situation, you know, and be 462 00:33:16,599 --> 00:33:21,799 involved. But I don't like the light on me. It's just it makes 463 00:33:21,839 --> 00:33:24,319 me uncomfortable. I'm getting used to it because people are starting to recognize me 464 00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:29,960 when I go out and stuff. So the fame really is at the very 465 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:34,480 bottom. It's just part of I guess the industry. I think can be 466 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,960 at the bottom. But can I sway you to switch the sex and the 467 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,960 money? Because if I were to say to you, hey, I mean 468 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,559 we did make the offer of billions of dollars potentially to step away from it, 469 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:50,400 and he said no because of the sex. And then again like if 470 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,720 I said, hey, I'll give you an office job that pays you four 471 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,000 times the top that you're going to make in this industry, I assume you 472 00:33:55,039 --> 00:34:00,960 would say, now, I don't want to sit. So it would be 473 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:06,599 the sex. Sex one I was gonna I was gonna make a similar point 474 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,480 because you had mentioned kind of, um, the opposite of what a lot 475 00:34:10,559 --> 00:34:15,400 of the other performers we speak to. UM, you mentioned leaving set sexually 476 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:22,280 satisfied, and from from what we've heard from most people, UM, you 477 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,840 know, a lot of the sex you have on camera is not that satisfying. 478 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,880 UM, Like you know, I didn't mean like satisfying is like orgasmic. 479 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:35,480 To me, it's like satisfying, Like I got through that scene because 480 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,679 some of the shit we do, or some of the positions we're in, 481 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:43,719 or some of those penises, I'm like, what the fuck is this gonna 482 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,360 happen? This is happening. Oh shit, we did it, and so 483 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:52,440 that's an accomplishment. I leave like, yes, I did that. To 484 00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:57,320 me, it's satisfying, and there's there's there's a creative satisfaction that comes along 485 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,519 with that too, like you were a part of something being made. You 486 00:35:00,559 --> 00:35:02,000 know that's gonna be cut, that's gonna be put out. People are going 487 00:35:02,039 --> 00:35:07,119 to enjoy watching that. UM. I don't want to run out of time. 488 00:35:07,159 --> 00:35:08,679 I want to talk about your news story, but you're just such an 489 00:35:08,679 --> 00:35:14,920 interesting person. Let me touch on this real quick. Or do you shoot 490 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,320 your own content as well I do. I just started doing it heavily. 491 00:35:17,639 --> 00:35:22,119 Now, is that the ultimate goal or no, to become almost your own 492 00:35:22,159 --> 00:35:27,719 production company? Yes, the ultimate goal for me is to definitely I've I've 493 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:32,079 already sculptured my brand and now I am just finessing it. And the ultimate 494 00:35:32,119 --> 00:35:36,679 goal is to not necessarily I don't know if I wanted my own production company, 495 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,719 but just my own branch shooting. Sure, well, I I just 496 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,880 yeah, sure, I understand. You don't want an office somewhere and yeah 497 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,440 you have to coordinate six different shoots, but you want your own production in 498 00:35:47,519 --> 00:35:50,719 terms of you want to look at the final cut and go, this is 499 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:57,360 mine, this is right right? Okay? Um, your big story so 500 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,320 silly, I know it is, and it is in It's a brilliant idea. 501 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:07,960 I mean so, no, no, no, Shane is not a 502 00:36:07,039 --> 00:36:14,039 huge football fan, but he actually is in hate football, dude. But 503 00:36:14,119 --> 00:36:17,360 she wanted plenty friendly and I respect that. Yes, yes, yeah, 504 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:22,719 yeah, all right, we'll friends. Still she doesn't like piss though, 505 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:27,239 that she'll piss on me, that's point. Yeah, you don't mind that. 506 00:36:27,679 --> 00:36:30,440 I like to be on the receiving end. Okay, I understand. 507 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,960 Um, well, Shane, you don't know this, probably, but your 508 00:36:34,079 --> 00:36:37,440 Las Vegas Raiders, Shane is also in Reno, so it's the closest team 509 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,480 I would say. Um, your Las Vegas Raiders signed a quarterback name Jimmy 510 00:36:40,519 --> 00:36:45,920 Garoppolo, very Italian name. Uh, they call him Jimmy g. He 511 00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:52,199 is the most handsome quarterback probably in the history of the NFL. I mean 512 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,519 that's what they're saying. Well, I understand you're not a football historian, 513 00:36:55,639 --> 00:36:59,920 but he is a pretty handsome guy, right, Yeah, he's pretty uppy. 514 00:37:00,519 --> 00:37:05,360 So Caitlin Bell and a woman named Alice Little who just followed us on 515 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,599 Twitter shout out als, it'll come on the show. Both, do you 516 00:37:08,639 --> 00:37:14,079 still work at the Chicken Ranch brothel? They do and there once a week 517 00:37:14,159 --> 00:37:17,440 every month. And what was the offer you made to Jimmy Garoppolo that has 518 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:22,440 been picked up by every fucking sports outlet that is not ESPN. Basically, 519 00:37:23,679 --> 00:37:29,920 I offered her three sex for life it becomes to the Chicken Ranch in appreciation 520 00:37:30,119 --> 00:37:36,119 for joining our Raiders, who now it seems like a really fair deal. 521 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,519 Well, I'm actually closer to San Francisco, so well, he just signed 522 00:37:40,519 --> 00:37:45,039 there from the San Francisco forty nine ers. Yeah, okay, so then 523 00:37:45,079 --> 00:37:47,719 this is a yeah, this could actually be a source of contention for her, 524 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:52,760 and I was more interested in sports, but yeah, I say go 525 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,960 for yeah, fuck this guy, yeah, dude, yeah yeah. Well 526 00:37:55,000 --> 00:38:00,719 he was very famous for um he went to a Panera bread I believe it 527 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,559 was, and he was seen kissing a porn star. Yeah, he got 528 00:38:04,599 --> 00:38:08,800 on a date with one. Yeah, and there was like outright yeah, 529 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:16,639 yeah, yeah, no, probably that was it. Yeah, they were 530 00:38:16,639 --> 00:38:22,599 worried about his gluten allergies. What the fuck are you doing there? But 531 00:38:22,679 --> 00:38:24,480 they made a big deal about it, and it kind of disgusted me at 532 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,519 the time that they did this where it was like, oh my goodness, 533 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,719 he kissed that porn star on the mouth. It's like, oh, okay, 534 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:37,280 over just some fucking chicken meats at a club like stars are, like, 535 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:43,519 I would actually were very very clean. I have my test with me 536 00:38:43,679 --> 00:38:46,480 at all times, do you guys? No? God, no, married? 537 00:38:46,559 --> 00:38:52,480 Why would I I get tested once a week. Jimmy Garoppolo does two 538 00:38:52,559 --> 00:38:57,480 for peeds, but nothing else. They take all the orfices. So when 539 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,760 people are here like oh they're dirty, I'm like, when's the last time 540 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,360 you're attested? Nine times out of ten. Most people say never, or 541 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,199 they'll say a year ago, and I'm like, how many people have you 542 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,320 fudged since then? Without a condom? And I'm like, oh, but 543 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:17,119 we're dirty, right. I just don't want to know. I just don't 544 00:39:17,159 --> 00:39:22,239 ask. Um. That's you know, but it's it bothered me so much 545 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,320 at the time, that stigma, and it's good that they're kind of picking 546 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,719 up and running with it as more fun now. Yeah. Yeah, I 547 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,360 didn't get any backlash. I was kind of shocked. I mean, I 548 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:35,760 had some haters, like women saying shit like you know, my parents must 549 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,039 be so proud, and you know, it's like whatever, Wow, you 550 00:39:38,039 --> 00:39:42,079 get a bunch of guys saying that too. I bet huh. Guys are 551 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,760 guys are awesome. They aren't saying shit really, woh, I actually was. 552 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,360 I would go through so I don't really read a lot of the comments 553 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,159 because I'm sorry, people are trolls, yeah, and they don't like to 554 00:39:53,199 --> 00:39:58,880 hear anything, especially something good or funny. They just want to tear you 555 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,920 apart. And it's beginning. I would read them and it would get to 556 00:40:01,039 --> 00:40:05,719 me and I would, you know, think about it. I realize you 557 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,440 can't do that you will be so sad. So now when I see it, 558 00:40:08,519 --> 00:40:12,760 I take it as a badge of honor that I must be doing something 559 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:17,360 so right that you took whatever you're doing out of your day to upset you. 560 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:22,360 You don't even know who I am. That's always baffled me, especially 561 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:28,320 about porn and sex work in general. Is and I think Matt and I 562 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,840 have kind of dissected the issue before where it's probably has a lot to do 563 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:37,760 with people's personal trauma and baggage and stuff like that. But it always blows 564 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:44,559 my mind how how people can say the most like if you just change the 565 00:40:44,559 --> 00:40:50,800 word stripper or porn star or whatever to file clerk or dental assistant, and 566 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,960 you just see the absurdity and people's logic, you know, like just judging 567 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:59,039 you for your job basically, you know, because you do porn, because 568 00:40:59,079 --> 00:41:02,119 you stripper it. It's always just baffled me. Um And and it's it's 569 00:41:02,679 --> 00:41:07,159 it seems like you kind of take it and stride. You probably have really 570 00:41:07,199 --> 00:41:09,719 thick skin, um or just don't check it like you said, or don't 571 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:15,880 check yeah, but both Now my skin is like it's like hide for sure. 572 00:41:16,079 --> 00:41:20,159 Do you have like advice for people getting into the industry. I know 573 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:25,960 you're still even kind of still relatively new in porn, but I mean that's 574 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,119 got to be an essential skill, right Is that something that you can learn? 575 00:41:30,199 --> 00:41:34,239 Do you think? Yes? Um? You. For me, the 576 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,719 way I learned it was at first you need to read through them and you 577 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:42,199 have to soak it in because you're going to realize that you're seriously going to 578 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,639 keep coming. It's going to keep coming, and that that it's a good 579 00:41:46,639 --> 00:41:51,559 thing that you're making traction some way. Um. Like I said, these 580 00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:54,719 people are being affected by you by not even knowing you, and you yourself, 581 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:59,000 No, you're not doing anything bad. So as long as you yourself 582 00:41:59,079 --> 00:42:02,400 know that you're not hurt anyone or doing anything maliciously mean or intentional, and 583 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:07,239 you're just living your life or offering a football player free sex for life, 584 00:42:07,559 --> 00:42:10,320 by all means, go and do that. And if someone has something shit 585 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:15,119 to say, fuck them, ignore them, or smile and say yeah, 586 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:21,000 isn't that great, or just delete them. If anyone on my social media 587 00:42:21,079 --> 00:42:27,719 says anything negative about me or anybody that I've worked with, they are automatically 588 00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:34,360 blocked. And it's that easy. Look, I don't just apply that to 589 00:42:34,639 --> 00:42:38,039 porn stars or sex workers or strippers. Apply that to anyone who is putting 590 00:42:38,079 --> 00:42:43,400 themselves out in the public, whether it be an artist, whether it be 591 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,800 a podcaster who gets really fucking broken when he reads one bad review on an 592 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,440 episode. Hey, they're not all great. You just have to accept it 593 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:54,719 and move on. Yeah, that was me, by the way. She 594 00:42:55,119 --> 00:42:58,599 looked a little in the dark on that one. I'm glad. I'm glad 595 00:42:58,639 --> 00:43:00,960 you told her. Yeah, yeah, she looked like I was. I 596 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:05,880 was gonna, you know, end the stream everyone. Um no, But 597 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:07,960 I think that's great advice for anyone. You're right, soak it in and 598 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:12,400 then also consider the source. Soak it in and be like this person. 599 00:43:12,679 --> 00:43:16,119 I almost feel bad for people that I'm like, now I do. I 600 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:20,800 at first I was just angry, and I'm like, how I feel sorry 601 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,719 for them? Like they're just sitting behind their computer, probably with no friends, 602 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:29,400 um, no community. So they're angry and upset, and what do 603 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,000 they do When people are angry and upset, people like to project their anger 604 00:43:32,159 --> 00:43:37,880 on people that are happy and successful because it makes them feel better about themselves. 605 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:43,039 It's unfortunate, but the way the world is and I choose to not 606 00:43:43,119 --> 00:43:45,239 be a part of it. Sure, I choose to just get in like 607 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:49,920 really angry fights with people, and I need to stop that. But my 608 00:43:50,159 --> 00:43:52,159 thing, my new thing, has become like I ask, what have you 609 00:43:52,199 --> 00:43:55,880 done? That episode is terrible? Okay, you do you have a podcast? 610 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,679 Can I listen? Yeah? Do you have the balls to do this? 611 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:04,280 Your portantine was terrible? What does your dick look like? Yeah, 612 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,960 let's go put it out there. Put it out into the world. People 613 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,599 that talk shit. I've even gone further. I have friends that that, 614 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,760 you know, comment at the end of a TV show or a movie there 615 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,039 like that ending was terrible. I go, how would you write it? 616 00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:20,679 What would you do differently? It may not have been great, But if 617 00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,840 I'm gonna, you know, publicly smash that was off. I hated that 618 00:44:24,639 --> 00:44:28,960 generally. I want to know what would you do differently? Right? Because 619 00:44:29,159 --> 00:44:30,280 I'm here, I want to know too. I want to I want to 620 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:37,519 perfect my skill, and I'm all up for constructive criticism, Like you can 621 00:44:37,559 --> 00:44:42,079 tell me that you don't like something without being a dick. Sure. Hey, 622 00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:45,000 hey, Kaitlin, those blue lights make your hair look a little bit 623 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:49,320 weird maybe or look a little make it look not naturally make it look blue. 624 00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:52,760 Yeah, maybe, but your hair look blue straight up. Then maybe 625 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:57,239 you'll sit back and you'll be like, m I like the blue lights, 626 00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,320 but maybe I'll tone it down. Who knows who? Who knows. It's 627 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:04,360 so great if people were constructed. But I don't think they want to give 628 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:09,519 constructive credit. I think they want to try and hurt because they are miserable. 629 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:14,639 People love that rise. That's like you can I can always tell when 630 00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,679 someone is waiting for that sponse, like, oh, I'm gonna say this, 631 00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,159 I'm gonna sit here and I'm gonna wait and wait and wait, and 632 00:45:21,199 --> 00:45:24,199 I always sometimes I'll respond, but I respond with like the sweetest comment, 633 00:45:25,519 --> 00:45:30,320 you know, just to throw them off. They're like wait what And then 634 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:34,119 I block them, you know, And we did. We did a couple 635 00:45:34,159 --> 00:45:37,760 episodes where we found a few in cells. The term is in cell involuntarily 636 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:43,239 celibate person. These are the angry guys who sit around and call, you 637 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,800 know, guys who are four hundred pounds with bad skin, and they'll look 638 00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:50,039 at Caitlin and be like what ugly pitch you know, and you're like, 639 00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,159 oh, okay, that guy. But we talked to them and We were 640 00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,239 kind of surprised. We thought they were gonna be real mean and angry, 641 00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:59,840 and it just seemed like it goes back to what you said there. They 642 00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:05,000 had no community around them. They had no community, and it is an 643 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:09,039 incredibly sad thing. So hey, in cells, any of these guys who 644 00:46:09,079 --> 00:46:13,480 were if you're sitting there thinking like, oh, I'm going to smash this 645 00:46:13,559 --> 00:46:15,760 girl and write this, think about what it's going to accomplish. She doesn't 646 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:23,000 give a shit. You look like a dick, and the community that you 647 00:46:23,119 --> 00:46:29,000 secretly crave deep down just is going to push you further away when you do 648 00:46:29,079 --> 00:46:31,000 that, you know exactly. And they want to be a part of this 649 00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:37,800 community because they're chiming into our into our work, which I appreciate. We 650 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:42,480 meet those fans or why we do what we do not just because we love 651 00:46:42,559 --> 00:46:49,199 fucking on camera, but our fans are what make us. So it just 652 00:46:49,559 --> 00:46:52,039 makes me sad that there's people out there that don't want me to succeed, 653 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:58,039 because I feel like I want everyone to succeed. Man, the more money 654 00:46:58,039 --> 00:47:00,159 out there for people, the more happy will all be. Like I feel 655 00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:05,440 like sharing is carrying and I want you to be happy. I want you 656 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,400 to be happy. I want it ought to be successful. And if I 657 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:14,280 can help you in some way, I will. If only porn fans were 658 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:20,920 as devoted to their likes as sports fans, you know, I think some 659 00:47:21,159 --> 00:47:23,920 are. I don't think some are fans here, No, well no, 660 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:28,679 no, even the people who go and write those trolling comments. Man, 661 00:47:29,079 --> 00:47:31,480 they wouldn't be there unless they were looking at it, you know. Like 662 00:47:31,559 --> 00:47:36,880 that's the thing, is like they're ashamed of the things they like. They're 663 00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,800 ashamed of their desires. So that's why they're saying the things. It's because 664 00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:45,480 they're ashamed of themselves. They don't realize that the things they want are actually 665 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:51,280 okay and and and you know, they can unpack that later in their life 666 00:47:51,280 --> 00:48:00,039 maybe. But there's no reason to be mean unless you're just feeling bad. 667 00:48:00,199 --> 00:48:08,440 You know, there's no reason to to just make another person feel bad unless 668 00:48:08,519 --> 00:48:13,880 you feel bad like they're because if you feel good, when another person feels 669 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,960 bad because of something you did, it shouldn't make you feel good. If 670 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:24,239 it does your psychopath, you know definitions of a psychopath. So no emotion. 671 00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:30,239 I think they are fans. I think they're definitely fans, and they 672 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:37,320 just they're ashamed to admit it sad, but yeah, I do love. 673 00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,639 I love those opposite ones, the ones that leave those paragraph comments about how 674 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:45,599 fucking amazing you will, simps and how you you walk on water. I 675 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:50,119 love you guys. You keep up the good work. Um, you guys 676 00:48:50,119 --> 00:48:53,280 are my favorite, Shane. Do you have any question any other questions for 677 00:48:53,360 --> 00:49:00,320 Caitlin today? Are they are they called simps or stands the word simp because 678 00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:04,400 it's like they're simple and really I think they're little angels, So I don't 679 00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:10,840 know age call of ages, ages, ladies and gentlemen. We had on 680 00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:15,400 Caitlin Bell today, Caitlyn Bell. You can find her on Instagram at Official 681 00:49:15,639 --> 00:49:21,119 Caitlin Bell, on Twitter Latina Bell XO XO. On only Fans, go 682 00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:29,039 pay for it Caitlyn is Naughty and check out Caitlin bellvip dot com, where 683 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,519 I'm sure the brand is just going to be building bigger and bigger on that 684 00:49:32,599 --> 00:49:37,679 website going forward, right, Is that where we're going to produce content eventually 685 00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,639 down the line. Yeah, I started that website when I first joined form. 686 00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:46,440 I just haven't like now I'm integrating everything into that makes sense. It 687 00:49:46,679 --> 00:49:52,119 takes time to build a masterpiece. It does, Caitlyn, thank you very 688 00:49:52,159 --> 00:49:54,440 much for joining us today. Thank you. It's an absolute pressure and I 689 00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:59,400 hope you guys have great rest of your week. Thank you for your worst 690 00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,679 friend. I'm Matt, I'm Shane. Thanks for listening. We'll see you 691 00:50:01,679 --> 00:50:13,639 next week. Bye. Thanks for listening to your worst friend going deeper.