WEBVTT 1 00:00:40.119 --> 00:00:46.759 Hello, and welcome to Open Mind UFO Radio. I am your host Alejandro 2 00:00:46.960 --> 00:00:52.759 Rojas, and I am with Martin Bananahead. Willis banana head? Where did 3 00:00:52.759 --> 00:00:57.840 you get that? Wow, that's a new phrase for me. I've never 4 00:00:57.920 --> 00:01:00.640 heard that one before, and I learned it from you. I won't say 5 00:01:00.759 --> 00:01:07.680 who you called a banana head. It's no one the listeners know, I 6 00:01:07.719 --> 00:01:11.599 don't think, but so don't don't think it was like, you know, 7 00:01:11.719 --> 00:01:15.400 Nick Pope or something, but it was something else. But I just thought 8 00:01:15.400 --> 00:01:19.239 it was a very cute phrase. And uh, you know, I've gotten 9 00:01:19.280 --> 00:01:23.760 a couple of suggestions too as to what to call you recently. Oh no, 10 00:01:25.799 --> 00:01:29.439 I don't know if I want to hear them. Spring them on me 11 00:01:29.480 --> 00:01:32.480 when you know, when the time is right. Well, I don't even 12 00:01:32.560 --> 00:01:36.159 remember. Actually, lucky for you, I can't remember. I was trying 13 00:01:36.200 --> 00:01:38.840 to remember this time. But one of them last time I used it was 14 00:01:38.879 --> 00:01:45.159 Martin, what you talking about? Willis? That was actually a listener suggestion. 15 00:01:46.359 --> 00:01:52.959 Wow, that's cute. I met Cary Coleman. Yes, I do 16 00:01:53.079 --> 00:01:56.760 get that one a lot of idea. Occasionally people will say that to me. 17 00:01:57.319 --> 00:02:00.239 Yeah. So that phrase was used by Gary Coleman and I met him. 18 00:02:00.239 --> 00:02:02.400 Did I tell you about that? Yeah, yes, I remember, 19 00:02:02.519 --> 00:02:06.599 yeah, after you told me, after you called me that, Yeah, 20 00:02:06.799 --> 00:02:14.120 oh I did tell me. Yeah oh man poor yeah yeah, funny little 21 00:02:14.120 --> 00:02:17.680 fella and he has so little but yeah, so cool stuff. So I've 22 00:02:17.719 --> 00:02:22.120 been gone and I'm back. Of course, Martin, you're here with the 23 00:02:22.159 --> 00:02:25.199 news and we're going to talk about some UFO stuff. But first I wanted 24 00:02:25.240 --> 00:02:31.280 to tell people about my guest. You ready for this? Yes? You 25 00:02:31.360 --> 00:02:36.560 sure? I'm ready? Yes, there is no guests. It's just going 26 00:02:36.599 --> 00:02:40.520 to be me and you blabbing are for the for for a little bit here? 27 00:02:42.080 --> 00:02:45.439 Did I know that? I think you did. I don't know if 28 00:02:45.479 --> 00:02:51.599 I knew that. Well, okay you didn't know that? Oh god, 29 00:02:51.719 --> 00:02:55.319 well i'll yeah, hopefully you wait it man, yeah, we'll wing it 30 00:02:55.360 --> 00:02:59.039 because I want to share, you know, what I've been up to the 31 00:02:59.120 --> 00:03:00.439 last couple of weeks. And sure people, you know, they always get 32 00:03:00.439 --> 00:03:04.759 annoyed when we don't have a show for a couple of weeks, and which 33 00:03:04.800 --> 00:03:09.000 is great. I'm happy that people pay attention and love the show, but 34 00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:14.479 I've gotten some not only you know, did I have fun it? And 35 00:03:14.520 --> 00:03:17.759 I could share what my trip was about but I got some interesting information regarding 36 00:03:17.879 --> 00:03:25.879 space and regarding UFOs that is coincidental and crazy and wild and fun and uh 37 00:03:27.000 --> 00:03:30.360 so I think people will like this. So we'll talk about all of that, 38 00:03:30.719 --> 00:03:35.879 and we'll talk about some recent UFO news that maybe you brought a couple 39 00:03:35.960 --> 00:03:39.360 pieces of news that would be great, did you, Well I got one, 40 00:03:39.719 --> 00:03:44.879 but that's get your site. Okay, like me to discuss that now 41 00:03:45.199 --> 00:03:50.159 something that I posted this morning? Uh no, oh, okay a little 42 00:03:50.159 --> 00:03:53.439 while ago. Okay, yeah, go ahead, let's get into some UFO 43 00:03:53.520 --> 00:03:59.199 news. Well, and it's also not it didn't happen recently, but anyway, 44 00:03:59.360 --> 00:04:03.520 this is about I think it's interesting because I love illustrated UFO sightings and 45 00:04:03.520 --> 00:04:11.400 this one is about a black flying disc UFO with blue lights spotted in New 46 00:04:11.479 --> 00:04:19.480 Mexico. This is in Rduso, New Mexico. So ridoso here me you 47 00:04:19.519 --> 00:04:27.120 said it pretty rare. Ruy doso, rui doso, And I drive through 48 00:04:27.160 --> 00:04:31.920 that when I go from here to Roswell. Yes, well it's about it's 49 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:38.000 right in between Las Cruss and Albuquerque, so it's about yeah, three months, 50 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:44.319 three hours south of Albuquerque in about two hours to the north, uh 51 00:04:44.680 --> 00:04:49.079 north East, I guess of Las Cruces right in between, and it's actually 52 00:04:49.079 --> 00:04:53.000 beautiful. I've looked at I looked at some pictures on line. It's pretty 53 00:04:53.519 --> 00:04:56.519 h and I love the name. So that's why I always remember driving through 54 00:04:56.560 --> 00:05:00.160 there right right. Well, this uh sighting actually happened all the way back 55 00:05:00.199 --> 00:05:05.680 in of twenty thirteen, in August. It was reported, however, just 56 00:05:06.079 --> 00:05:13.519 recently on Thanksgiving Day, and so the witness had drawn some great illustrations. 57 00:05:13.800 --> 00:05:16.399 And what I like about this sighting I like unusual sightings, and this one 58 00:05:17.079 --> 00:05:23.079 is unusual because what he saw was a black disc and right around the rim, 59 00:05:23.199 --> 00:05:27.959 on the edges, there were little blue lights, which you know, 60 00:05:28.079 --> 00:05:30.800 made me think, well, maybe was some type of drone or something, 61 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:36.079 But I don't know. You don't hear too many well you don't hear any 62 00:05:36.199 --> 00:05:42.560 drones with blue lights around them really to speak of. But of UFO sightings, 63 00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:45.639 you I think this is actually the first one I've heard with blue lights 64 00:05:45.639 --> 00:05:49.800 all the way around it. So anyway, he was walking, you know, 65 00:05:49.920 --> 00:05:57.720 basically walking along when he saw this, and then he just drew these 66 00:05:57.759 --> 00:06:00.879 great little drawings. So if you go to your website, which is open 67 00:06:00.959 --> 00:06:10.040 Minds dot tv, you will see these drawings crayon drawings actually, but pretty 68 00:06:10.079 --> 00:06:14.040 well done. Mm hmm, yeah, so pretty interesting. So we saw 69 00:06:14.199 --> 00:06:18.720 it from a side view and then from a from directly below, and it 70 00:06:18.759 --> 00:06:25.079 was circular. It looked like it was a circular thing. Yeah, really 71 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:27.519 weird. It is kind of a weird one. And it's great that they 72 00:06:27.600 --> 00:06:31.759 drew pictures and with crayons, right, Yeah. I don't think i'd want 73 00:06:31.759 --> 00:06:35.839 that thing hovering over me. Yeah, that's weird. Yeah, but they 74 00:06:35.839 --> 00:06:40.879 did such a great job with the pictures. And this whole adult coloring thing 75 00:06:40.959 --> 00:06:44.920 is kind of funny. I like that. You like that just went in 76 00:06:44.920 --> 00:06:48.439 their kids a crayon box and yeah, rated it, but you can tell 77 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:53.199 it's a good steady hand. But it's a thing now, coloring books. 78 00:06:53.360 --> 00:06:58.000 They're adults. You haven't heard about that. Oh yeah, they should get 79 00:06:58.040 --> 00:07:00.240 into it. Yeah, if you go to the bookstore. My sister and 80 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:03.839 my mom have gotten into it. But there's this whole thing coloring books for 81 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:10.879 adults. Wow, which is kind of funny. Yeah. I bet that's 82 00:07:10.920 --> 00:07:15.160 like stress relieving. And my trip last week and I'll talk more about this. 83 00:07:15.639 --> 00:07:18.040 That's one of the things they gave us was a coloring book with some 84 00:07:18.720 --> 00:07:26.079 colored pencils. A NASA coloring book as a gift. Oh, that's pretty 85 00:07:26.120 --> 00:07:30.199 interesting. Yeah, and did you do your coloring. No, I'm going 86 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:35.279 to give it to my mom because she's into doing that, so figured i'll 87 00:07:35.279 --> 00:07:40.680 give it to her and she can color to her heart's content. Make a 88 00:07:40.759 --> 00:07:46.079 nice Christmas present. Yeah yeah, so yeah, interesting sighting. These sightings 89 00:07:46.079 --> 00:07:48.600 are always fun. New Mexico is a really interesting place. Ruidoso is a 90 00:07:48.639 --> 00:07:53.959 really pretty interesting place. It's fun because, you know, on the leg 91 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:58.240 of the trip to Roswell, that's and I used to do that a lot, 92 00:07:58.279 --> 00:08:01.480 you know, driving here to Roswell. Luckily, last couple of years 93 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:07.399 I've flown, and hopefully this next year I'll fly again. But get it's 94 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:11.240 ugly, boring desert until you get to Las Crusis, which is gorgeous. 95 00:08:11.279 --> 00:08:16.839 And then when you get over the hills over last Crucius, there's the White 96 00:08:16.560 --> 00:08:24.199 the Range, the White Sands Missile Range with missile parks here and there, 97 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:28.240 which are really cool so you can see all these rockets and everything. And 98 00:08:28.279 --> 00:08:31.799 then from there you drive through this really pretty country up into the hills and 99 00:08:31.840 --> 00:08:37.159 you're pretty much in mountainous area. Until you get to this desert plains of 100 00:08:37.240 --> 00:08:39.919 Roswell, which again then it gets boring until you get to Roswell. But 101 00:08:41.360 --> 00:08:46.200 until then it's just super pretty. You're driving through like an Apache reservation and 102 00:08:46.279 --> 00:08:50.879 stuff like that, and it's just gorgeous area. So at least once if 103 00:08:50.879 --> 00:08:52.879 you haven't done it, you know, driving to Roswell, especially from the 104 00:08:52.919 --> 00:08:56.399 west western side of the country, is a lot of fun. We're driving 105 00:08:56.399 --> 00:09:01.840 around the area, and I highly recommend for people to go go out to 106 00:09:01.960 --> 00:09:05.159 ros Well the Carl's Bag Cabins. You ever been there, No, I've 107 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:11.200 always wanted to go, super super cool. So let's see out of the 108 00:09:11.240 --> 00:09:18.279 headlines. Since we're talking about UFO news right now, there were a couple 109 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:22.200 of headlines from this morning. I don't know that I missed a whole lot. 110 00:09:22.639 --> 00:09:26.600 I mean, are you aware of any big stories in the last couple 111 00:09:26.600 --> 00:09:30.600 of weeks. Not really. I have looked on the different sites just to 112 00:09:30.600 --> 00:09:35.200 see what's going on. Triangle sightings are seemed to be kind of prevalent, 113 00:09:35.279 --> 00:09:41.919 but nothing that really stands out in any particular way, although there was like 114 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:48.639 a totally red triangle, which I think is another unusual one. Yeah, 115 00:09:48.679 --> 00:09:54.879 one of the stories that's out there is these lights in Colorado and they turned 116 00:09:54.879 --> 00:10:01.639 out to be military aircraft. But surprisingly, since I've posted that story this 117 00:10:01.799 --> 00:10:07.080 morning, a lot of people are not buying this military aircraft explanation. In 118 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:11.320 the video, you do see kind of a row of lights and they're kind 119 00:10:11.360 --> 00:10:13.960 of blinking and stuff like this. And yeah, there's a lot of people 120 00:10:13.960 --> 00:10:20.519 that are doubting this official explanation of these lights with some pretty interesting video. 121 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:22.879 And it could be that they saw the video and they loved it and they 122 00:10:22.879 --> 00:10:26.759 thought it was so cool that they figured there's no way that's an aircraft. 123 00:10:26.799 --> 00:10:31.159 And then now they're coming out and saying it is an aircraft. But yeah, 124 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:35.080 Colorado, that's a bigger story out there. Have you seen that video? 125 00:10:35.559 --> 00:10:39.720 I have not. Now do actually see the what do they call them 126 00:10:39.720 --> 00:10:43.320 the running lights or whatever? Do you see those blinking? No? Not 127 00:10:43.519 --> 00:10:46.799 really, you just see the singular kind of lights. I haven't looked at 128 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:52.879 it too closely to be honest, But because there are there's actually laws. 129 00:10:54.440 --> 00:10:58.840 As far as I know, I'm pretty sure that you have to have no 130 00:10:58.039 --> 00:11:05.440 so you don't not if you're a military aircraft over a military training area. 131 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:09.759 Oh and Colorado is packed full of military all of the Southwest, I mean 132 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:16.000 New Mexico, Arizona, Colorado, California, especially southern California, Nevada of 133 00:11:16.080 --> 00:11:22.559 course, is there's so much military and military proving grounds that, yeah, 134 00:11:22.600 --> 00:11:26.159 there's a lot of It could be that all of those states are also, 135 00:11:26.840 --> 00:11:31.519 you know, really high for UFO sidings even per capita, like we've talked 136 00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:35.480 about recently, and that's probably one of the reasons all of these military proving 137 00:11:35.480 --> 00:11:41.279 grounds. I know, stuff they do out there out here is getting mistaken 138 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:43.960 a lot, and that's one of the reasons. I know. They run 139 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:50.720 lights off here at Goldwater often, so there's jets flying around dropping flares, 140 00:11:50.840 --> 00:11:54.720 but they have no visible lights on. They have what they call their I 141 00:11:54.799 --> 00:11:58.039 forget what they call it, something like stealth mode or something where they're just 142 00:11:58.159 --> 00:12:03.080 using I lights. So the pilots and stuff have and the people on the 143 00:12:03.080 --> 00:12:09.080 ground have night vision goggles and they can see the lights using their goggles but 144 00:12:09.240 --> 00:12:15.480 not using their naked eye. Wow, you know, there's this is an 145 00:12:15.480 --> 00:12:20.399 interesting factoid. You want a little nerdy geekoid factoid. Oh yes, absolutely 146 00:12:20.039 --> 00:12:24.840 so. I don't know if you've ever done this. So I are infrared 147 00:12:24.039 --> 00:12:28.480 is like beyond what the eye can see, to frequency the eye can't see. 148 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:33.639 Our remote controllers use that frequency to control our televisions and stuff like that. 149 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:41.600 Well, in some of the older digital cameras, they didn't filter out 150 00:12:41.679 --> 00:12:46.799 that light. So if you were to videotape, like let's say, with 151 00:12:46.879 --> 00:12:52.000 your Sony high eight a remote control and push the buttons, you would see 152 00:12:52.039 --> 00:12:58.879 the light from that remote control with your old handycam because you know, they 153 00:13:00.200 --> 00:13:03.039 filter at that light. Kind of neat. Huh see the lot, I've 154 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:07.960 seen the lot, seen the lot? Yeah, yeah, wow, Oh 155 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:11.120 that's that's interesting. I know we can I forget what the spectrum is that 156 00:13:11.159 --> 00:13:16.000 we can actually see, which you know, calls into all kinds of things, 157 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:20.080 even in regards to UFOs. You know, what we can see and 158 00:13:20.120 --> 00:13:24.200 what we can't see, and what you can see with you know, equipment. 159 00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:33.480 It's called human visible light frequency hv LF. Wow, I didn't know 160 00:13:33.519 --> 00:13:37.440 you were so learned and I made that up. Actually, Oh sounds like 161 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:43.240 a thing, doesn't it. Yeah, it's awesome. So another story, 162 00:13:43.320 --> 00:13:46.000 this is kind of interesting, and I'm gonna look this up, is Nick 163 00:13:46.039 --> 00:13:50.720 poke jacking with people. I mentioned Nick Pope before He is a guy who 164 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:58.399 used to in the nineties work for uh the Ministry of Defense investigating UFOs in 165 00:13:58.440 --> 00:14:03.159 the UK while they did that. Of course, that the UFO desk he 166 00:14:03.240 --> 00:14:07.279 used to work out was closed in two thousand and eight, but he, 167 00:14:07.759 --> 00:14:13.000 you know, was convinced there's something really to the phenomena. However, lately 168 00:14:13.080 --> 00:14:22.720 he certainly has been expressing his distaste and kind of with with hoaxers and people 169 00:14:22.720 --> 00:14:26.759 who believe in the hoaxes and the real goofy stuff. And the UK tabloids, 170 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:28.879 of course, like you and I talk about, are really full of 171 00:14:28.919 --> 00:14:35.799 the goofy stuff. But he spoke with The Sun, which of course is 172 00:14:35.879 --> 00:14:41.679 a UK tabloid and is one of the you know, one of the people, 173 00:14:41.759 --> 00:14:46.519 one of the tabloids that makes up a lot of sensational stuff. And 174 00:14:46.639 --> 00:14:48.840 of course if you go to these tabloids, they got all their bikini girls 175 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:54.639 and everything all over the place and these weird stories. But he wrote up 176 00:14:54.960 --> 00:15:05.080 a pretend classified document on what, you know, as if the government had 177 00:15:05.120 --> 00:15:11.440 a document on how we would deal with aliens should they invade, And so 178 00:15:11.639 --> 00:15:15.399 The Sun did a whole story on this with him, and he talked about 179 00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:18.720 it now the Sun. Although I make fun of him, you know, 180 00:15:18.840 --> 00:15:24.360 they do have a couple good writers there. And what's funny is at this 181 00:15:24.399 --> 00:15:28.200 trip I was recently on because one of the other tabloids that we kind of 182 00:15:28.960 --> 00:15:31.720 beg on a bit is a Daily Mail or a Mail Online as or online 183 00:15:31.799 --> 00:15:35.360 version. I met a writer from Mail Online and talked with him quite a 184 00:15:35.399 --> 00:15:39.039 bit. And yeah, he gets embarrassed by some of the stories, but 185 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:41.919 you know, some of the writers are good, and of course Nick is 186 00:15:41.960 --> 00:15:46.759 great, so it's an interesting story. And he tweeted about this document. 187 00:15:46.840 --> 00:15:52.840 Here's what he tweeted. He said, here's the alien invasion war plan that's 188 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:58.480 generated recent media coverage. Don't pat it panic. I don't know why I 189 00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:03.639 can't talk today. Don't panic. It isn't a genuine government document or part 190 00:16:03.639 --> 00:16:08.519 of a sinister Illuminati plot. I drew it up to provoke an interesting fund 191 00:16:08.559 --> 00:16:15.440 debate about the consequences of finding extraterrestrial life. And he attaches this document he 192 00:16:15.519 --> 00:16:21.639 made, and it's pretty funny because it's an alien invasion war plan with ten 193 00:16:21.759 --> 00:16:26.279 points, and the tenth point says all information relating to this warplan is to 194 00:16:26.360 --> 00:16:32.440 be classified top secret. He has on the top of this document in red, 195 00:16:32.480 --> 00:16:36.480 top secret ukiyes only, and he has the same thing on the bottom 196 00:16:36.759 --> 00:16:42.960 and it signed Nick Pope, MJ twelve, uk J nine. Banana head. 197 00:16:47.159 --> 00:16:48.679 You didn't really call him a banana had before the show, but you're 198 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:53.200 calling him one now. He's being kind of a banana head. No, 199 00:16:53.360 --> 00:16:57.639 he's being a banana head on purpose though, So isn't that funny? So 200 00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:03.680 yeah, so he's just kind of in a way being andre but also just 201 00:17:03.720 --> 00:17:11.160 having fun with bringing forth this information. I wonder where that will go, 202 00:17:11.480 --> 00:17:15.599 you know, I mean how many people take that seriously and you know, 203 00:17:17.200 --> 00:17:21.440 oh no, write it out? Who knows, you know what the people 204 00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:26.119 who will run with that and pretender or say that Nick is some sort of 205 00:17:26.559 --> 00:17:33.039 disinformation or government agent already are saying that. So yeah, I'm sure. 206 00:17:33.440 --> 00:17:37.880 And you know, another gentleman who is interested in this topic and is interviewed 207 00:17:37.920 --> 00:17:42.240 and talks about it quite a bit is another person who's accused of being part 208 00:17:42.400 --> 00:17:47.960 of a secret group that admit, you know, looks over UFOs like m 209 00:17:48.079 --> 00:17:51.680 J twelve. He's been accused of being part of m J twelve is John 210 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:56.559 Alexander. So John is thanking him? Yeah, he doesn't have the same 211 00:17:57.200 --> 00:18:02.720 sense of humor that Nick Pope does. He's got a subtle one, but 212 00:18:02.960 --> 00:18:07.880 nothing you know, like Nick's. Especially after a few drinks. Nick can 213 00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:11.400 be hilarious. People might not know that about him, but if you go 214 00:18:11.440 --> 00:18:14.240 to a conference, you know, buy him a beer and hang out with 215 00:18:14.319 --> 00:18:18.359 him, especially into the wee hours of the morning, and you'll find this 216 00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:22.160 out about him. But yeah, obviously he's showing a sense of humor here, 217 00:18:22.200 --> 00:18:26.839 being really really funny. But John Alexander does a lot of analysis along 218 00:18:26.880 --> 00:18:30.640 those lines of you know, what if aliens attacked sort of thing, and 219 00:18:30.680 --> 00:18:36.240 the gist of what Alexander says, and I think that's kind of Nick does 220 00:18:36.279 --> 00:18:41.799 that too in this document. The gist is that we're screwed. If aliens 221 00:18:41.839 --> 00:18:48.519 attack, then you're over. Yeah, well logically, that's it makes sense. 222 00:18:48.599 --> 00:18:52.559 I mean, if they were able to get here, you know what 223 00:18:52.599 --> 00:18:56.119 type of advance, yeah, you know, technology would they have. That's 224 00:18:56.160 --> 00:19:00.440 why this whole theory or some of the theory is that it's like this slow 225 00:19:00.519 --> 00:19:06.480 invasion or that they're just kind of doing some intelligence before they pounce type of 226 00:19:06.519 --> 00:19:10.839 stuff. It's kind of weird, like they have done this for years because 227 00:19:11.200 --> 00:19:15.440 they wouldn't need to even if they wanted our resources, they could just kind 228 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:18.640 of wipe us out and take them. They could build little robots instead of 229 00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:26.559 us andre you know, violent humans that just kind of screw things up to 230 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:32.039 So I yeah, soon. Luckily, it doesn't seem like that's at least 231 00:19:32.039 --> 00:19:37.359 a scenario that's playing out currently. I don't think so, yeah, yeah, 232 00:19:37.480 --> 00:19:40.640 yep, so yeah. So those are a couple of stories on the 233 00:19:40.640 --> 00:19:45.119 headlines that are pretty interesting. There's a lot about Apollo seventeen, which we'll 234 00:19:45.160 --> 00:19:49.839 get into as well, because that is very very cool stuff. So do 235 00:19:49.920 --> 00:19:53.759 you have any more news stories? No, not really, but just kind 236 00:19:53.799 --> 00:19:57.920 of along those lines. I was speaking to a friend that didn't even know 237 00:19:59.240 --> 00:20:00.640 I did at UF show. I talked to her, I don't know, 238 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:06.720 once every three or four years or something like that, and she said something 239 00:20:06.799 --> 00:20:10.960 about, well, it's the aliens, you know, with this weather, 240 00:20:11.160 --> 00:20:15.359 j Amy, she has a boatyard in Puerto Rico. They just opened last 241 00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:18.759 summer, has completely wiped out. And she said, well, it's the 242 00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:22.279 aliens, you know, And I go, where are you coming up with 243 00:20:22.319 --> 00:20:23.720 that? She goes, well, I've always thought that they were just watching 244 00:20:23.839 --> 00:20:27.519 us and it's like, wow, so I told her I did a show. 245 00:20:27.599 --> 00:20:30.920 She's now she's going to be a new listener to my show. But 246 00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:36.160 it's kind of funny how, you know, more people. I mean, 247 00:20:36.200 --> 00:20:40.480 I'm not saying anything of what she was saying is true or not true, 248 00:20:40.480 --> 00:20:45.359 I don't know, but it just seems more relaxed now. Have you noticed 249 00:20:45.400 --> 00:20:52.880 that, like more people are are accepting that there's a possibility that we are, 250 00:20:52.440 --> 00:20:59.279 you know, either being visited or I think so you know, like 251 00:20:59.440 --> 00:21:02.799 for instance, this trip I just went on is a media trip where you 252 00:21:02.799 --> 00:21:07.400 spend it with a lot of other press, and it's not it used to 253 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:10.640 be a little more embarrassing or a little more you know, you get a 254 00:21:10.640 --> 00:21:12.480 funny look when I talked about you know, one of my main beats is 255 00:21:12.640 --> 00:21:18.200 UFOs. When I just say the paranormal, it's not as big of a 256 00:21:18.240 --> 00:21:22.559 deal, but UFOs, especially with science people, and there are a couple 257 00:21:22.559 --> 00:21:26.920 of people, especially my last trip, where one person was just like ah, 258 00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:30.440 she's a science person and that you know, got very frustrated by the 259 00:21:30.440 --> 00:21:37.680 whole topic. But otherwise, other it's mostly taken very positive. People seem 260 00:21:37.720 --> 00:21:47.240 to be okay that you're interested in it I forget the stages of acceptance and 261 00:21:47.319 --> 00:21:49.599 I need to look into it. But it's essentially, oh, here it 262 00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:57.720 is five stages of oh grief. I don't know that's the same thing. 263 00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:04.079 So this is like across the board of acceptance of him, kind of a 264 00:22:04.200 --> 00:22:11.720 theory of acceptance. And if they keep talking about five stages of grief, 265 00:22:11.839 --> 00:22:18.519 but this isn't grieving necessarily, but the point being that one of the first 266 00:22:18.559 --> 00:22:25.359 stages is there's like a denial, and then it's making fun of it, 267 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:32.519 and then it's taken us self evident. That's kind of the way it goes. 268 00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:37.279 So doctor Leo Sprinkle is pretty funny. He used to talk about, 269 00:22:37.440 --> 00:22:41.680 well, people would ask him and this is why I remember this if he 270 00:22:41.759 --> 00:22:48.000 feels frustrated that people make fun of this topic of UFOs and aliens and stuff. 271 00:22:48.359 --> 00:22:52.240 And he said, well, actually, because of these three stages, 272 00:22:52.279 --> 00:22:59.240 we've moved from denial to ridicule. So he's very happy that we've moved on 273 00:22:59.400 --> 00:23:04.400 to another stage and moving closer to the next stage of uh taking it as 274 00:23:04.400 --> 00:23:08.839 self evident. And it does feel as though we're moving into that stage. 275 00:23:08.880 --> 00:23:12.559 I feel like like it's okay, it's just another thing. It's not as 276 00:23:12.599 --> 00:23:18.400 big of a deal. Maybe with all the other crazy beliefs that we've got 277 00:23:18.440 --> 00:23:22.039 going on out there right now, flat earth being so popular and some other 278 00:23:22.240 --> 00:23:26.039 stuff. You know, I agree with you. It seems like it's becoming 279 00:23:26.079 --> 00:23:32.200 more Okay, it's flat and it's hollow at the same time. The earth 280 00:23:32.279 --> 00:23:38.119 is flat and hollow. Really yeah, that's very interesting. Yeah, kind 281 00:23:38.119 --> 00:23:41.680 of like some type of cookie, you know, a collar cookie with no 282 00:23:41.799 --> 00:23:49.519 filling. Yeah. Yeah, hmmmmm, cookies, cookies. I can't say 283 00:23:49.559 --> 00:23:53.680 that too loud. My girlfriend's cookie crazy. Oh she was just talking about 284 00:23:53.720 --> 00:23:57.279 cookies. She'll be like, where give me cookie? All right, So 285 00:23:57.480 --> 00:24:00.519 we've only got a few seconds and go ahead and take our first break. 286 00:24:02.240 --> 00:24:06.119 For those of you listening on KGr A, you'll hear some commercials. Check 287 00:24:06.119 --> 00:24:10.720 out those commercials. Patronize these great people. They keep KGr A on the 288 00:24:10.759 --> 00:24:15.000 air and what a great network it is. Otherwise, those of you that 289 00:24:15.079 --> 00:24:21.359 are listening on the podcast will hear a short musical interlude and it will be 290 00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:25.279 very nice, cool digital music. You're gonna love it. You're gonna just 291 00:24:25.359 --> 00:24:29.119 love it, so sit tight, and then we will be back with more. 292 00:24:29.960 --> 00:25:14.400 Alejandro and Martin on Open Mind UFO Radio. Welcome back to Open Mind's 293 00:25:14.440 --> 00:25:19.599 UFO Radio. You're listening to Alejandro Rojas, your host for this lovely little 294 00:25:19.720 --> 00:25:26.279 UFO show, and I am with Martin Bananahead Willis in studio. Do you 295 00:25:26.319 --> 00:25:30.160 mind if I call you Bananahead for the show? No, I think a 296 00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:36.079 lot of people would kind of agree with you. Unfortunately, I like bananas 297 00:25:36.119 --> 00:25:40.119 too. Yeah, we got to see lots of bananas in Hawaii, so 298 00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:45.720 I should say. I just wanted to note this, which is kind of 299 00:25:45.720 --> 00:25:52.519 interesting. So you know how I talked about that case with in Colorado with 300 00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:57.240 the plant and they said it was a convoy of C seventeen aircraft. More 301 00:25:57.279 --> 00:26:02.079 and more people online are saying, no, it's not there's no way. 302 00:26:02.920 --> 00:26:08.480 So that's kind of funny. You mean more people are posting since since we 303 00:26:08.559 --> 00:26:14.039 started. Yeah, wow, so this has got people heated up and they 304 00:26:14.039 --> 00:26:18.319 don't agree with that C seventeen explanation. So kind of interesting. I'll have 305 00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:23.319 to take a closer look at the video, and I compel all of the 306 00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:26.400 listeners to do so as well. You can find that, of course, 307 00:26:26.440 --> 00:26:30.359 in the daily headlines at openminds dot tv, or you can go to the 308 00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:37.960 open mind, uh, Facebook or Twitter and uh and find that also or 309 00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:44.680 mine also. So Hawaii, I just want to mention it because I was 310 00:26:44.759 --> 00:26:47.640 I was there for a second and I just wanted to say that, you 311 00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:52.039 know, we went on vacation for a week in Hawaii. No UFO activity. 312 00:26:52.599 --> 00:26:56.079 Unfortunately it was cloudy most of the time, but we did have a 313 00:26:56.119 --> 00:27:02.720 couple of days of sun, but an underwater adventure. We didn't see any 314 00:27:02.880 --> 00:27:07.759 USOS. Everything we saw was identified, but really cool stuff. I just 315 00:27:07.799 --> 00:27:11.519 wanted to let people know that. On my Facebook if you look at the 316 00:27:11.559 --> 00:27:17.119 Alejandro Rojas a public profile one even the other one actually if you look me 317 00:27:17.200 --> 00:27:21.599 up, we're on my Twitter. I posted a video of So this is 318 00:27:21.680 --> 00:27:25.200 really cool. They have these submarines, and I remember when I was younger, 319 00:27:25.240 --> 00:27:27.720 they had these subs, you know, and I think Disneyland had a 320 00:27:27.799 --> 00:27:32.559 ride where there's a you get in a sub and go around and you see 321 00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:37.039 mermaids or whatever, but you're not really submerged. The top of the sub 322 00:27:37.119 --> 00:27:42.119 is still above water even though the bottom is underwater. But these are real 323 00:27:42.519 --> 00:27:45.519 subs that take you down like one hundred feet. I think we got down 324 00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:51.200 to like one hundred and thirty feet and yeah, super cool. So we 325 00:27:51.279 --> 00:27:56.880 took one off of at Waikiki Beach that goes out into not very far you 326 00:27:56.880 --> 00:28:03.079 know, out there, and are sunken ships. There's planes and a couple 327 00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:07.400 sucking chips and they sink them. One of them was sunk in, I 328 00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:11.240 don't think on purpose, but the others were because they make like a coral 329 00:28:11.319 --> 00:28:15.480 reef because all of our coral reef is dying, and so they're sinking stuff 330 00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:19.960 for the upper for fish, and and the fish gather around these things and 331 00:28:21.160 --> 00:28:26.920 drove. So it's incredible to coast by without having to die or you know, 332 00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:30.319 be in scuba gear or anything, coast by these wrecks and see all 333 00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:36.559 these fish. And in the video I posted, this giant turtle. Sea 334 00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:41.160 turtle came swimming by it. It's so cool. So it was funny because 335 00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:47.519 being such a goofball. So we were at o Wahu, which is where 336 00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:52.480 Waikiki is. Waikikis in Honolulu. The city of Honolulu. Honolulu is like 337 00:28:52.680 --> 00:29:00.440 mini Tokyo. It's it's so many Japanese. There's there's a lot to Asian 338 00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:03.160 people, but tons and tons of Japanese people, and it feels like you're 339 00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:10.519 in Minnie Tokyo because there's all these Japanese restaurants and people speaking Japanese and Japanese 340 00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:14.519 riding everywhere. There's a Tesla store. The Tesla store is full of these 341 00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:18.920 rich Japanese people, probably shipping some Tesla's home, but you know, they 342 00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:22.160 have Japanese riding on everything, which is really fun because I love Japanese culture. 343 00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:27.720 I'm big into anime and all this other stuff. So that was really 344 00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:33.279 interesting, really different that the whole Japanese thing. But we were at Honolulu 345 00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:40.000 and that's where we took this submarine ride. But the submarine thing was incredible, 346 00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:41.839 and you can check out the video. I don't know why I went 347 00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:45.559 off on the Japanese thing. I was going to mention something about it, 348 00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:48.799 but I can't remember. Now, go ahead, Is that was the I 349 00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:53.079 mean, was the submarine all glass or how did you see so well? 350 00:29:53.160 --> 00:30:00.839 So you have these big portholes that are probably three feet wide, I think 351 00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:04.279 probably. Oh. This is what I was going to say, is I've 352 00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:08.319 you know, there's a cliche idea about the Japanese tourists with their cameras and 353 00:30:08.319 --> 00:30:12.519 stuff, but that's me. When I travel. I've got cameras. I've 354 00:30:12.519 --> 00:30:18.559 got my phone, I've got my GoPro, and you know, when I 355 00:30:18.599 --> 00:30:22.680 take these press trips, it's because I want all of this media so I 356 00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:26.240 can put it out on social media and also have some cool pictures. But 357 00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:30.559 I do that everywhere, so I was doing that there. So on the 358 00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:37.000 seb I've got my GoPro pressed up against the glass of the porthole, and 359 00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:40.880 then in my hand, I have my DSLR and I'm trying to take pictures 360 00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:45.440 and get video with the DSLR at the same time and trying to look So 361 00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:49.960 I'm juggling all this stuff, changing lenses on my DSLR. I probably look 362 00:30:51.079 --> 00:30:56.440 pretty goofy, but I'm just so busy during when cool stuff is happening like 363 00:30:56.519 --> 00:30:57.960 this. But you know, if you go look at my Instagram, you'll 364 00:30:57.960 --> 00:31:02.480 see some cool videos at the parade, and I'm able to get some cool 365 00:31:02.559 --> 00:31:06.839 videos because when the turtle went by, luckily, I had my GoPro and 366 00:31:06.920 --> 00:31:11.200 my DSLR running and on the video I posted both, so you can see 367 00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:15.960 the difference and actually, did you actually see anything or were you filming the 368 00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:21.279 whole time? Both I could see stuff luckily. Yeah, I know what 369 00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:23.359 it's like though, like all of a sudden you realize, well, hey, 370 00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:27.200 you know, I should be enjoying this exactly filming. Well I don't, 371 00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:32.839 And that is kind of funny because it's like, especially it gets so 372 00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:34.799 hectic, the time flies by, and I'm not so much enjoying, but 373 00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:40.599 I'm so stoked and happy that I get it recorded because then I'm able to 374 00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:47.880 share with others. And then also, you know, look at the videos 375 00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:53.920 and pictures afterwards to remember the wonderful times. Yeah, that's great, awesome, 376 00:31:55.079 --> 00:31:57.240 so really cool. I just wanted to mention that. But after that, 377 00:31:57.400 --> 00:32:05.200 I went to space Camp. So here's why National Geographic. Luckily, 378 00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:12.000 I've got some good buddies there in the promotions and marketing department, and they 379 00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:15.119 have this show Mars, and we've talked about that because that's why I went 380 00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:19.799 to Hungary and I got to be on the set for the second season of 381 00:32:19.839 --> 00:32:24.880 this show Mars. So they're promoting this show Mars, and that's one of 382 00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:28.599 the reasons we got to go out there. And one of the actors was 383 00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:34.400 with us, Sammy I forget his last name, but cool dude. And 384 00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:38.880 then the scientist or he's not a scientist he's actually a journalist. He's a 385 00:32:38.920 --> 00:32:43.880 science writer, kind of like some of us are there, because most of 386 00:32:43.960 --> 00:32:47.200 the writers actually that go our entertainment and only a couple of us are science. 387 00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:52.799 But he's a science writer who was a consultant and they based this Mars 388 00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:57.599 program off of his book, Stephen Petronek, So he was there. But 389 00:32:57.680 --> 00:33:02.119 the other show, I don't even know completely how much I can even say 390 00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:07.039 about it because they really haven't announced much much, but I'll say some. 391 00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:14.240 It's this show called One Strange Rock and it looks super cool. So we 392 00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:17.519 got to talk with one of the directors and see some clips and it's going 393 00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:23.440 to be a ten part series for National Geographic and it's kind of like that 394 00:33:23.480 --> 00:33:28.519 show Earth on BBC. You know, that's a really big deal where they 395 00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:31.559 get these cool footage and stuff like this of Earth. So it is based 396 00:33:31.599 --> 00:33:37.240 on getting this amazing footage, but it's from the perspective mostly of astronauts. 397 00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:44.319 So I have this really cool interview because we got to interview an astronaut, 398 00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:51.240 and I've interviewed Mike Massimo, who's also in this show, but on the 399 00:33:51.319 --> 00:33:57.680 same topic of what it's like the emotions and the experience of seeing the Earth 400 00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:05.480 from space and how all of these guys say it really changes them. I'm 401 00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:12.519 sure often they use this term spaceship Earth because you get this idea of the 402 00:34:12.559 --> 00:34:16.159 size of the planet and that the planet is kind of this spaceship that's carrying 403 00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:23.239 us through space, you know, and it makes it that much more important 404 00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:29.360 to them that we care for the environment of this spaceship. I know, 405 00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:32.039 if you look down at the atmosphere is like the skin of an apple. 406 00:34:32.119 --> 00:34:38.519 They say, it's so so tiny exactly, so it looks so fragile. 407 00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:44.400 It is fragile, and that's what we're finding out it is, you know, 408 00:34:44.519 --> 00:34:49.159 how fragile it really is. So it's like, imagine it's like your 409 00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:52.960 car, you know, or you know, whatever vehicle. If your car 410 00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:57.159 is a mess, you know, it's not that fun to be in and 411 00:34:57.400 --> 00:35:02.679 it can be you know, detrimental to you even being in there or driving 412 00:35:02.760 --> 00:35:06.400 or something. And it's the same kind of thing. It's just you know, 413 00:35:06.519 --> 00:35:12.639 it feels to them kind of a sense of more compact and it's just 414 00:35:12.679 --> 00:35:15.960 that much more important for us to take care of it. And so that's 415 00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:19.599 kind of the sense of things. And they got some amazing cameras in space 416 00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:24.000 and everything. So I'm really excited about this series. So this is kind 417 00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:30.760 of really good. So that's why. So to help promote this, we 418 00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:35.079 got to go with these guys to space Camp. And Space Camp of course 419 00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:39.360 most people know it as for kids, but now they have a corporate kind 420 00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:43.920 of space camp for adults, so you can go there as groups and do 421 00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:46.880 this kind of corporate team building. And so we did kind of the adult 422 00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:53.679 space Camp type of thing, which really isn't much different than the kid one. 423 00:35:54.360 --> 00:35:58.039 It's kind of funny because I don't think the adults at least are a 424 00:35:58.039 --> 00:36:02.199 group of adults didn't act much, just different than kids. But yeah, 425 00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:06.480 I got to post because of course I'm there with all my cameras and crap. 426 00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:09.400 But we had a camera man there too, so a professional who's taking 427 00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:14.039 pictures for us. So hopefully I'll have some cool pictures like that to post 428 00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:17.519 soon. But you know, on my Astagram and stuff, I posted me 429 00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:24.440 on that multi access trainer right where it spins you around, and it's actually 430 00:36:24.519 --> 00:36:31.159 not as barf inducing as you might think. Your center is the center of 431 00:36:31.199 --> 00:36:36.599 gravity. Your stomach is the center of gravity, so your stomach isn't moving 432 00:36:36.679 --> 00:36:39.480 so much. That's why it doesn't bother your stomach as much. And they 433 00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:43.000 say, as long as you keep your eyes open, it doesn't hurt your 434 00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:45.199 head as much. And I wasn't going to do it. I thought, 435 00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:46.639 I don't want to get a headache, I don't want to throw up, 436 00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:51.079 but I decided to do it because a lot of people said that it wasn't 437 00:36:51.079 --> 00:36:54.440 that bad, and it wasn't. Luckily, I wasn't that dizzy. Can 438 00:36:54.480 --> 00:36:59.400 you control the speed of that or now you can't? Well, it just 439 00:36:59.440 --> 00:37:01.280 flips your round all by itself. It just gets going, kind of like 440 00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:06.239 a gyroscope all by itself, and you just start flipping around and it's kind 441 00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:09.719 of crazy. Can you control it by flipping a certain way? Not really, 442 00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:15.719 not that I think. I don't know. Maybe some seasoned person could, 443 00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:21.119 but no, I mean it's so large and it has so much The 444 00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:24.920 advantage of your weight is nothing compared to the rest of the weight of this 445 00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:30.280 thing. So yeah, I don't think so. Yeah. Yeah, I 446 00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:32.960 thought those videos were cool. So that was cool. We launched rockets and 447 00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:37.280 we did some other stuff. But then you launched rockets. Oh, we 448 00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:45.280 launched like model rockets. Oh okay, so, which was funny. And 449 00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:47.559 it was funny because we're building them, and especially when table was getting really 450 00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:52.239 loud and everybody having fun and she had to act like little kids. Okay, 451 00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:55.360 everybody focus, you know, and they were using like their little kid 452 00:37:55.480 --> 00:38:02.239 tactics on it and books. Yeah, exactly. Wow. So but this 453 00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:08.920 is cool. So this week is there's a lot of news today about today 454 00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:15.840 being the fiftieth anniversary of the Apollo seventeen mission. Did you know that? 455 00:38:16.360 --> 00:38:20.960 No? I did not. Wow, Yeah I missed that in the news 456 00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:25.519 today. Yeah. So December what was actually December seventh, nineteen seventy two, 457 00:38:27.199 --> 00:38:30.360 but I guess today was the day maybe they got to the moon because 458 00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:35.679 they're talking a lot about it today. They landed on the nineteenth. So 459 00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:38.840 the mission was going on in seventy two. And I'm sorry, forty five 460 00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:45.599 years scared me for a second because that's only a year before I was born. 461 00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:47.199 I was like, what, I'm not that old, so forty five 462 00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:53.159 years. But this is really cool. So at the US Space Center they 463 00:38:53.280 --> 00:39:00.440 had a anniversary dinner that we were able to go to, kind of a 464 00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:05.719 gala museum thing, kind of like the things that you see on TV that 465 00:39:05.880 --> 00:39:10.159 you know, Bruce Wayne would go to these events. And it was funny 466 00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:14.400 because I didn't have dress clothes because I had to we just got back and 467 00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:17.639 I had to get early and I didn't wasn't able to pack dress clothes, 468 00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:24.079 so I wore my blue jumpsuit space camp jumpsuit, you know, and there's 469 00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:28.639 all these guys in black ties and everything, and they kind of thought I 470 00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:32.519 was an employee because luckily the kids who are employees there wore their suits also, 471 00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:37.599 so I just pretended like I was staff with them. I should have 472 00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:39.599 like served, you know, served food on a tray and get the garbage 473 00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:44.119 stuff like that. Well, I figured if somebody asked me for something and 474 00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:46.400 it was cool, like to show them something I would like if they asked, 475 00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:49.920 well, what is this capsule? And even if I didn't know, 476 00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:52.000 I could have made some stuff up, you know, like push that button. 477 00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:58.440 Yeah, this this capsule is powered by a flux capacitor. It actually 478 00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:04.199 is a time machine and if you get inside. But nobody did ask me 479 00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:10.079 except for maybe to the restroom or something like that. But so in this 480 00:40:10.159 --> 00:40:14.800 museum, just to set the setting, this museum is cool. So you 481 00:40:14.840 --> 00:40:20.119 walk into this museum which they've got missiles all over the place and everything. 482 00:40:20.159 --> 00:40:24.760 This is in Huttsville, Alabama, near the Marshall Space Center where they have 483 00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:29.920 space camp and they have a museum there, and it's also by I think 484 00:40:29.960 --> 00:40:36.079 it's called the red Stone, Like this whole town is all defense and military 485 00:40:36.119 --> 00:40:40.280 type of stuff because of the Redstone Arsenal there. So I think that it's 486 00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:45.440 an area kind of like White Sands where they can test their missiles and rockets 487 00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:50.360 and stuff like that. And that and NASA which is makes it, you 488 00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:55.119 know, all defense and everything. So you walk in and there's this giant 489 00:40:55.440 --> 00:41:00.800 Saturn five rocket that was a real one and they had built to do testing 490 00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:07.599 on that is hanging on the ceiling of this museum. So it's a huge 491 00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:10.760 Hugh mong us. So you can see this on my social media. I 492 00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:15.960 posted a video at the dinner where you could see this. We first we 493 00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:21.679 got a tour of the museum and one of the engineers who worked on the 494 00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:25.599 rocket walked us through and told us all about the rocket from top to bottom. 495 00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:30.880 So we were in the museum before that huge museum, and then they 496 00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:36.800 set up the dinner afterwards for that night actually and so it was really fancy. 497 00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:40.000 Dim the lights and it's in the middle of this museum with you have 498 00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:47.400 an Apollo lander. You have tons of different capsules and rocket engines and all 499 00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:52.519 this cool stuff all around. It was really neat. And this is in 500 00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:58.039 Alabama. In Alabama, Wow, I know, huh. And the kicker, 501 00:41:58.239 --> 00:42:00.639 this is what was kind of cool, is the The guest of honor 502 00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:09.480 was Harrison Schmidt, who was a scientist that was on Apollo the Apollo seventeen 503 00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:15.159 mission. He was one of the first scientists to be an astronaut because a 504 00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:20.920 lot of the others were like former pilots and stuff like this. So that 505 00:42:21.079 --> 00:42:29.599 was really cool. And this is a big deal because Harrison Schmidt was also 506 00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:38.559 into the paranormal and he was a key to one of my biggest investigations. 507 00:42:39.639 --> 00:42:43.679 And do you know what that one was. Let's see if you know, 508 00:42:43.840 --> 00:42:49.079 because I talked about it a lot. Well, I know you talk about 509 00:42:49.159 --> 00:42:54.880 the with the religious aspects, but it wouldn't be that. No, I 510 00:42:54.880 --> 00:43:00.480 don't want to keep going, so I don't want to keep guessing. Oh 511 00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:07.039 man Dody, oh, the whole Paul Benowitz affair. Okay, So in 512 00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:12.079 a nutshell, of course, this man Richard Doty, who worked for Air 513 00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:16.440 Force OSI at Kirkland Air Force Base in the eighties, was giving information to 514 00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:22.039 this guy named Paul Benowitz, who is an engineer who is providing like equipment 515 00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:24.920 to Kirkland Air Force Base. And this guy, Paul Benowitz, this engineer 516 00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:30.960 said he thought he saw UFOs and stuff and was getting strange signals over Kirkland. 517 00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:32.320 So he went to Kirkland and said, hey, I think there's you 518 00:43:32.360 --> 00:43:38.079 know, aliens might be buzzing around your base. So Dody and this other 519 00:43:38.119 --> 00:43:44.400 guy went out to his house and examined everything and said, Nope, this 520 00:43:44.719 --> 00:43:49.119 really isn't anything that we have anything to do with. Sorry. But Dody 521 00:43:49.639 --> 00:43:53.679 then apparently returned and said, hey, you know, you're right, this 522 00:43:53.760 --> 00:44:00.320 is aliens, and you know there's a whole alien conspiracy going on, and 523 00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:07.320 started feeding Benowitz documents. The very first Hoked fakes document he provided to Benowitz 524 00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:14.679 was one called Project Aquarius, which was said to be a project administered by 525 00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:21.440 Majestic twelve, this secret group that oversees UFOs. And this is where the 526 00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:29.199 mythology the story of MJ twelve and Project Aquarius comes from. These hoked fakes 527 00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:32.159 documents that this guy gave him. How do we know they're hoped or faked, 528 00:44:32.199 --> 00:44:37.800 because Richard Dodi says he hoped and he faked them. He said that 529 00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:45.920 he did it however, to because Paul Benowitz was observing top secret projects at 530 00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:50.280 Kurkentland Air Force Base, and they wanted Benowitz to think they were alien and 531 00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:53.039 not really top secret, so that he wouldn't talk to the Russians or the 532 00:44:53.119 --> 00:44:58.320 Russians wouldn't take him seriously and get some of his material. So they made 533 00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:01.000 him believe it was aliens. He thought then there was an alien invasion. 534 00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:07.760 Long story short, He went literally nuts. He was institutionalized a couple of 535 00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:10.679 times, and he went crazy because he thought aliens were following him and invading 536 00:45:10.719 --> 00:45:15.920 and everything. In the meantime, I did a FOYE and I found out 537 00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:21.400 that there were a couple senators that Benowitz had gotten a hold of it and 538 00:45:21.400 --> 00:45:24.559 said, hey, Congress people, I should say that Benowitz got a hold 539 00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:28.280 of it and said, hey, there's aliens and UFOs and I have proved 540 00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:31.679 the Air Force has given me this information. Both of these guys went to 541 00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:39.000 the Air Force. So Senator Pete Dominici and at the time, a congressman 542 00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:45.119 with the US House of Representatives representing New Mexico, Harrison Schmidt. I just 543 00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:50.000 saw that. I just read that. So Harrison Schmidt went to the Kirtland 544 00:45:50.039 --> 00:45:52.880 Air Force Base and said, what the hell's going on here? Why are 545 00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:57.480 you guys bugging this guy about UFOs and stuff. Well, Richard Dodi was 546 00:45:57.519 --> 00:46:02.199 the one who was supposed to go talk to these guys, and in official 547 00:46:02.199 --> 00:46:07.639 documents that I got from the Air Force, Richard Doldy Dody told them, 548 00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:10.159 well, he came to us, he said he had UFO stuff. We 549 00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:14.159 went and looked at it. We said there was nothing to it. And 550 00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:17.039 that's the last we've talked to him. That's what Dody told these guys. 551 00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:23.079 But he was lying, and he could because he doesn't address Actually I've never 552 00:46:23.119 --> 00:46:27.599 heard him say address how he spoke with these guys. I got this through 553 00:46:27.599 --> 00:46:31.599 these Air Force documents, but he says, of course, he was feeding 554 00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:38.840 him hoaxed information. So I was really excited about this because luckily we were 555 00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:43.559 working with the press person at the museum, and I asked her, would 556 00:46:43.599 --> 00:46:47.239 it be okay if I passed off my open letter to the Air Force on 557 00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:52.559 this whole affair too, Harrison Schmid, because I don't know that he knows 558 00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:57.280 he was lied to when he went in and talked to Dody about all of 559 00:46:57.320 --> 00:46:59.880 this, and she said, oh yeah, that'd be great, So she 560 00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:06.559 printed it out for me. We had a press conference with Harrison Schmidt and 561 00:47:06.599 --> 00:47:10.360 then she let me approach him and say, and this is what I did. 562 00:47:10.400 --> 00:47:16.400 I said, you know, do you remember Paul Benowitz. This was 563 00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:22.039 a long time ago, but you had approached the Air Force on his behest, 564 00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:25.159 you know, back in the eighties. And he's at first he was 565 00:47:25.159 --> 00:47:28.119 like, he didn't seem like you knew it. And then he's like, 566 00:47:28.159 --> 00:47:30.199 oh, yeah, Paul Benowitz, and it seemed like, I mean he 567 00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:35.000 knew, he remembered the name, and he was like, yeah, Paul 568 00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:37.119 Benowitz, Paul Benoitz. And so I said, well, here's a report 569 00:47:37.159 --> 00:47:40.360 I did because I don't think you got the full story, and I got, 570 00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:44.320 you know, I did a foia and I got some information from the 571 00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:46.480 Air Force that I think you're going to find really interesting. So here's a 572 00:47:46.519 --> 00:47:50.239 copy of that report. And he was like, okay, great, thank 573 00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:52.599 you. And that was about it. Because he was mobbed with people. 574 00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:55.559 He was the guest of honor. So you know, there were just tons 575 00:47:55.559 --> 00:47:59.760 and tons of people and lots of press around and everything. Luckily, most 576 00:47:59.800 --> 00:48:02.840 of the press was with our group the Space Camp thing, so I knew 577 00:48:02.920 --> 00:48:07.519 them, so it was no big deal. But there's lots of local press. 578 00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:09.519 So then he went off and I got a picture with him later, 579 00:48:09.519 --> 00:48:13.840 and I got pictures of him there because I want to write a story on 580 00:48:13.960 --> 00:48:19.119 this. But pretty cool. Yeah, so I got time for a short 581 00:48:19.119 --> 00:48:22.639 comment, but we got to go to break in just a second. All 582 00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:27.599 right, sounds good. So you mean a comment for me? Yeah, 583 00:48:27.880 --> 00:48:31.880 oh, if you have any initial reaction, No, I think that's I 584 00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:35.599 think that's great, and I just I one of the things I wanted to 585 00:48:35.639 --> 00:48:39.280 say is Richard Dodie is now talking all over the place. Now. Yeah, 586 00:48:39.440 --> 00:48:44.440 so let's get to that in a film. He's been talking on radio 587 00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:47.039 shows. Yeah, we'll get to that. Let's do that after the break. 588 00:48:47.119 --> 00:48:52.199 Let's talk more about that, because that's a good point. So you're 589 00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:53.400 listening to Open Minds, you off a radio, we're going to take a 590 00:48:53.440 --> 00:48:57.440 break here. If you're listening on kg R, you're going to hear some 591 00:48:57.480 --> 00:49:00.280 commercials. Otherwise, if you're listening to the podcast, You're just gonna hear 592 00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:07.599 a short musical break, So stay tuned and we'll be back with Open Mind. 593 00:49:07.679 --> 00:50:15.800 You for a radio with Alejandro and Martin m Welcome back to Open Mind 594 00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:22.199 UFO Radio. This is your host Alejandro Rojas and I am with Martin podcast 595 00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:27.760 UFO. Willis oh I graduated. Yes, thank you. You're no longer 596 00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:31.960 a bananahead. Oh wow, finally you're demoted to the host of podcast UFO. 597 00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:37.639 That's right. So you made a point about Dodie. You're making a 598 00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:44.039 point about doting. Yeah, just the fact that he's on talk radio shows 599 00:50:44.079 --> 00:50:53.199 now and he was in a career documentary and saying really bizarre stuff. I'm 600 00:50:53.239 --> 00:50:58.480 talking about aliens, seeing aliens and all kinds of things. That's the thing 601 00:50:58.599 --> 00:51:00.920 is, this guy is a liar, and I've written this and I've documented 602 00:51:00.960 --> 00:51:06.559 it, and a lot of things. He's changed his story constantly. So 603 00:51:06.719 --> 00:51:10.480 for instance, he brought Linda Howe to Kirkland Air Force Base, the same 604 00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:15.599 Linda how that's going to be speaking out the UFO Congress this year, so 605 00:51:15.639 --> 00:51:20.559 go to Ufocongress dot com for more about that. But he brought her to 606 00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:24.559 Kirtland Air Force Base and then fed her this really crazy stuff. Unfortunately, 607 00:51:24.559 --> 00:51:28.400 she believes he thinks that it was all real, but probably some of the 608 00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:32.559 stuff you heard him say, and then he denied that he did that. 609 00:51:32.800 --> 00:51:36.519 Now, in my interview with Linda how on this, she said, no, 610 00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:39.280 he never denied. Yes, he did deny. I've got records showing 611 00:51:39.320 --> 00:51:43.920 that he did deny that that ever happened. He said Linda was a liar, 612 00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:49.159 and then he backpedaled on that, because everybody knows, whatever you think 613 00:51:49.159 --> 00:51:52.559 about Linda how she's not a liar, right, you know, even if 614 00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:57.880 you don't like her work or whatever some people don't, she's no liar and 615 00:51:58.400 --> 00:52:01.519 she's got a great reputation for that. So he eventually backped and said, 616 00:52:01.559 --> 00:52:05.440 Okay, it did happen. I did show her this stuff, but that 617 00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:09.079 was he started to say that was mixed, that was some of it's real 618 00:52:09.159 --> 00:52:13.519 and some of it's not. And then he starts with all of these crazy 619 00:52:13.559 --> 00:52:16.920 stories about UFOs and aliens. And he's been talking about this ever since he 620 00:52:16.960 --> 00:52:22.480 went underground. For the longest time, right didn't talk to many people, 621 00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:27.800 But now that his story has kind of gained some ground from it's a story 622 00:52:27.880 --> 00:52:30.559 I haven't dropped. But there's other people too that cover it. That great 623 00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:35.679 Bishop, for example, wrote a great book Project Beta on this. And 624 00:52:35.679 --> 00:52:40.400 then there's another guy, Wilkinson. Wilkerson wrote a book on it, Mirage 625 00:52:40.440 --> 00:52:45.559 Men, and did a documentary that Chris Lambright too. Yeah, Chris Lambright 626 00:52:45.639 --> 00:52:49.880 has done a lot of research into it, so that have kept the story 627 00:52:49.880 --> 00:52:53.559 alive. And now he's kind of resurfaced a bit. He was a police 628 00:52:53.599 --> 00:53:00.119 officer with the New Mexico State Police for a while. And this is why 629 00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:06.480 I think the Air Force really needs and I really hope that Harrison Schmidt picks 630 00:53:06.519 --> 00:53:09.599 this up, because he was lied to by Dody, and we need the 631 00:53:09.639 --> 00:53:16.079 Air Force to say why this happened. Why did they let Dody feed this 632 00:53:16.119 --> 00:53:22.840 guy disinformation, disinformation that has become the backbone of the mythology when it comes 633 00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:27.599 to UFOs about the conspiracy and everything. Why did they allow Dody to do 634 00:53:27.679 --> 00:53:30.599 that? Did they not know that? I would imagine they would have had 635 00:53:30.639 --> 00:53:35.559 to have noted. This whole thing went on for eight years, and now 636 00:53:35.599 --> 00:53:38.599 that he is no longer with the OSI, he's still talking about this, 637 00:53:38.719 --> 00:53:42.960 saying he did this stuff while he was with the OSI. So I think 638 00:53:43.000 --> 00:53:46.199 the Air Force needs to give some answers, and hopefully Harrison Schmidt looks that 639 00:53:46.320 --> 00:53:50.440 over and says, hey, you know, can see this Dody guy lied 640 00:53:50.440 --> 00:53:52.920 to me, or at least now he's telling people he lied to me. 641 00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:57.840 I need some frickin' answers here. So that's what I'm hoping for, right 642 00:53:57.960 --> 00:54:01.719 And Schmidt is now a so yeah, who knows how long he'll be, 643 00:54:02.159 --> 00:54:06.760 you know, interested in active in it. So at the time, basically 644 00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:09.920 Dody lied to a senator, is what you're saying. Exactly, he lied 645 00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:16.239 to to congressmen at the time, and you know, as a representative of 646 00:54:16.280 --> 00:54:22.199 the Air Force. So the question is, did he really create all those 647 00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:28.239 hoax documents because he was told to do it, or, as some believe, 648 00:54:28.400 --> 00:54:32.599 did he do it all on his own. Really, that's the question, 649 00:54:32.880 --> 00:54:37.960 and that's unanswerable. Most people, even lots of conservative UFO researchers, 650 00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:42.639 believe that he was told to do it, and maybe that is the case, 651 00:54:43.719 --> 00:54:46.320 but some people like John Alexander believe know he was rogue doing this on 652 00:54:46.360 --> 00:54:52.360 his own, and it's hard to say. So I want answers to that. 653 00:54:52.360 --> 00:54:59.119 But here's the other thing, moving on from that with Harrison Schmidt. 654 00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:04.440 So when I was on your show on Wednesday, while I was at Space 655 00:55:04.480 --> 00:55:10.320 Camp in my super cool blue NASA jumpsuit that they gave us, we talked 656 00:55:10.320 --> 00:55:16.440 about how the big news is some of the exciting stuff going on with space 657 00:55:17.440 --> 00:55:25.760 is actually that there's a new space race brewing, and it's another space race 658 00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:30.800 to the Moon, which is so interesting in the anniversary of Apollo seventeen. 659 00:55:34.199 --> 00:55:40.880 And here's what's going on, is that the Russians and the Chinese, not 660 00:55:42.000 --> 00:55:45.159 that they've been referenced recently in news that even just came out today. I'm 661 00:55:45.199 --> 00:55:52.559 not sure if you're aware of, but the Russians and the Chinese have said 662 00:55:52.599 --> 00:55:59.239 that they're they're planning on putting bases on the Moon. Of course, NASA 663 00:55:59.400 --> 00:56:04.960 and others have been talking about going to Mars. But as we discussed, 664 00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:07.639 you know, some of us were talking about this, how can the US 665 00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:13.119 be happy about that? You know, how can we allow the Chinese and 666 00:56:13.119 --> 00:56:16.880 the Russians to put up bases on the Moon and just allow that, because 667 00:56:17.480 --> 00:56:23.199 you know, we haven't figured out the laws and the legalities around owning property 668 00:56:23.320 --> 00:56:29.320 anywhere, and of course, who's going to have the most input on who 669 00:56:29.360 --> 00:56:32.440 owns what people who are already there. If the Chinese set up a base 670 00:56:32.480 --> 00:56:37.199 and they say, you know, we own this thousand square miles around us, 671 00:56:37.440 --> 00:56:40.119 who's going to say anything different. Well, they actually can't. I 672 00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:45.559 can talk about that, but that's see, but that's not true the legalities. 673 00:56:45.840 --> 00:56:49.320 But let's talk about this because this is interesting. Go ahead, what 674 00:56:49.360 --> 00:56:52.639 did you find? Well, so when you were on my show where you 675 00:56:52.679 --> 00:56:58.280 know, I was kind of like joking saying that why not people should be 676 00:56:58.320 --> 00:57:00.840 looking at they're thinking about practicing law to practice space law. And then I 677 00:57:00.880 --> 00:57:05.599 started looking into it, and there's a lot going on with that, not 678 00:57:05.800 --> 00:57:08.800 just in mining resources, but satellite issues. You know, there's a lot 679 00:57:10.360 --> 00:57:15.800 and there's well to get into, you know, basically what we're talking about. 680 00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:22.480 Back just before I think it was nineteen seventy two, there was the 681 00:57:22.519 --> 00:57:30.239 Outer Space Treaty signed, and I think there's something like over one hundred countries 682 00:57:30.280 --> 00:57:36.159 have signed into this thing that was signed back in January of nineteen sixty seven. 683 00:57:37.519 --> 00:57:43.719 But there's also the Moon Treaty, and that's kind of an extension of 684 00:57:43.760 --> 00:57:49.119 the Outer Space Treaty, which was actually called Treaty on Principles governing the activities 685 00:57:49.159 --> 00:57:52.960 of states, which means countries and the exploration and use of outer space, 686 00:57:53.000 --> 00:57:59.440 including the Moon and other celestial bodies. That's a long version. So basically 687 00:57:59.679 --> 00:58:04.719 it's saying that you can own your property. In other words, if Bob 688 00:58:04.760 --> 00:58:07.880 Bigelow wanted to send one of his budget inns up on the moon and planet 689 00:58:08.000 --> 00:58:15.079 there, he would own his property. You are actually also liable for your 690 00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:19.639 property as far as any damage that you cause or any liability like the crashes 691 00:58:19.679 --> 00:58:25.440 to Earth and all that. But you own just your property and not you 692 00:58:25.519 --> 00:58:30.599 cannot own any of the ground itself. It has, uh there used to 693 00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:34.480 be like an idea that of occupation. Of course, you know, we 694 00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:38.599 were the first to get there, so we this. You know, we 695 00:58:38.599 --> 00:58:43.280 could have like claimed this is our you know, our moon type of thing. 696 00:58:43.360 --> 00:58:50.559 But but we're all in agreeance that any celestial body that we cannot have 697 00:58:50.800 --> 00:58:55.159 us a sovereignty over it, which I think is great to be in place. 698 00:58:57.239 --> 00:58:59.840 And I have a lot more on that I can talk about, but 699 00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:04.159 of as far as resources and the mining of asteroids and stuff like that, 700 00:59:05.280 --> 00:59:07.960 But so far, I just wanted to hear what your feedback is. Yeah, 701 00:59:08.039 --> 00:59:15.320 So the the issue becomes whether or not something is enforceable, or whether 702 00:59:15.400 --> 00:59:20.840 or not someone wants to stick to that. So, for instance, the 703 00:59:20.960 --> 00:59:24.119 United States is one of the worst. You're not supposed to have nuclear devices 704 00:59:24.159 --> 00:59:30.440 in space, but the US has done it. They've had nuclear powered satellites 705 00:59:30.519 --> 00:59:37.119 and such. So it's like it comes down to do the governments want to 706 00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:42.719 adhere to that or do they just want to ignore it and do what they 707 00:59:42.760 --> 00:59:45.840 want forced exactly, and then it has to be enforced. So that's the 708 00:59:45.880 --> 00:59:51.159 whole key. If China went up there, and even the way it's written, 709 00:59:51.199 --> 00:59:53.159 the way that you talked about it, now, if China goes up 710 00:59:53.159 --> 00:59:58.559 there and has a base, then they're the first what they get the pick 711 00:59:58.599 --> 01:00:00.000 of the litter. They get to choose wherever they want to put it, 712 01:00:00.199 --> 01:00:04.920 so they've got first choice. We want this site, you know, then 713 01:00:04.960 --> 01:00:07.760 we want this site and they can put up structures and things. So if 714 01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:13.360 we want in the game, then we've got to get there. And this 715 01:00:13.480 --> 01:00:22.079 whole idea about ownership of the land, I mean, it's there's other legal 716 01:00:22.159 --> 01:00:25.440 problems. Bigelow brought this up. So Bigelow's thing was and this is what's 717 01:00:25.519 --> 01:00:31.440 really interesting because Bigelow plays a big role. As you mentioned, Bigelow's owns 718 01:00:31.480 --> 01:00:38.559 budget in his billionaire started a space company and now he's got Bigelow Aerospace where 719 01:00:38.559 --> 01:00:44.079 he's building these inflatable units once on the Iss and he wants to build a 720 01:00:44.119 --> 01:00:47.119 base on the Moon, and he's working with NASA on that. And at 721 01:00:47.159 --> 01:00:51.440 this Huntsville place that I went to and I've got some pictures i'll post, 722 01:00:51.880 --> 01:00:55.760 he has a huge presence. They have models of his units, they have 723 01:00:55.920 --> 01:01:01.159 several different they have a big model of his proposed base. So they have 724 01:01:01.360 --> 01:01:06.639 all of this Bigelow stuff, which was really interesting at this NASA thing, 725 01:01:07.400 --> 01:01:10.039 just to show how how much of a partnership they have going there. But 726 01:01:10.639 --> 01:01:15.440 Bigelow has brought this up if I put a budget in like you said, 727 01:01:15.559 --> 01:01:19.239 because he was talking about that at first, if I put a base up 728 01:01:19.239 --> 01:01:22.119 on the Moon where I want to fly people to, I need to understand 729 01:01:22.760 --> 01:01:28.360 the legalities of the ownership of the land because I can't put a base up 730 01:01:28.400 --> 01:01:32.159 there and then one day the land be sold or taken away from under me. 731 01:01:35.039 --> 01:01:37.159 So there's so many issues. But what he's getting at, and I 732 01:01:37.159 --> 01:01:42.639 think what that's going to lead to is they will need to own that land 733 01:01:43.599 --> 01:01:47.000 because they will need to for legal reasons, insurance and others. They'll need 734 01:01:47.039 --> 01:01:54.280 to have a firm legal ownership, you know, of of the land underneath 735 01:01:54.760 --> 01:02:00.920 these structures. So that that brings up all kinds of legal issues. Yeah, 736 01:02:00.920 --> 01:02:05.360 there's a ton of it. And yeah, like liability, like ruling 737 01:02:06.519 --> 01:02:09.079 laws, governing laws. Oh my gosh, yeah, we brought that up. 738 01:02:09.360 --> 01:02:14.320 But let me just real quick move to this next part because we'll get 739 01:02:14.320 --> 01:02:19.719 to that because that's super interesting too. I'm fascinated by this aspect of it. 740 01:02:21.320 --> 01:02:25.639 But so I asked Harrison Schmidt in our press conference. I said, 741 01:02:27.320 --> 01:02:31.280 you know, with the Chinese and the Russians, you know, prioritizing and 742 01:02:31.320 --> 01:02:35.519 having a refocus and saying they're going to go build bases on the moon, 743 01:02:36.519 --> 01:02:39.480 do you think this will rekindle a space race to get to the Moon like 744 01:02:39.519 --> 01:02:45.320 we had during the Apollo period. And he said it's already begun, which 745 01:02:45.400 --> 01:02:50.480 was an interesting answer because he said, yes, it is already, that's 746 01:02:50.559 --> 01:02:55.719 already happened. Then we get the news just today. I don't know if 747 01:02:55.719 --> 01:03:00.920 you've seen this. I did see that actually the six the sign, Yeah, 748 01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:08.960 that that Trump signed a space policy Directive just today that is reprioritizing NASA 749 01:03:09.159 --> 01:03:15.760 to go to the Moon. They don't explain why, and nobody's really talking 750 01:03:15.800 --> 01:03:22.159 about the why, but the why. Why are they refocusing on the Moon 751 01:03:22.280 --> 01:03:27.679 instead of Mars like they previously had. It's because of what I just said. 752 01:03:27.719 --> 01:03:31.079 This is the kind of the untold thing that for some reason nobody's picked 753 01:03:31.119 --> 01:03:36.280 up on yet so much. Is that it's because of Russia and China. 754 01:03:36.400 --> 01:03:38.519 We need to beat them so we can get the pick of the litter, 755 01:03:38.559 --> 01:03:43.519 we can be the first one there before, and so we have a stake 756 01:03:43.559 --> 01:03:46.760 in the game. So China and Russia don't get up there and get a 757 01:03:47.119 --> 01:03:52.719 run willy nilly, because it really is the wild West. Once you get 758 01:03:52.800 --> 01:03:58.719 up there, it's the wild West. But here's the other legal issue that 759 01:03:58.840 --> 01:04:03.639 is that you just brought up, which is governance. And this is really 760 01:04:03.679 --> 01:04:10.000 fascinating because there's two races going on here. There is a race to Mars 761 01:04:10.159 --> 01:04:14.119 and then there's a race to the moon NASA And this is what people have 762 01:04:14.280 --> 01:04:18.599 wrong. If NASA refocuses from Mars to the Moon, it's no big deal. 763 01:04:18.679 --> 01:04:20.639 People are like, well, you know, we want to get to 764 01:04:20.639 --> 01:04:28.559 the Mars. NASA does not have much of steak in the whole Mars thing. 765 01:04:29.559 --> 01:04:31.760 NASA is planning, they say, to get to Mars. And we 766 01:04:31.840 --> 01:04:35.360 asked, is NASA is still going to go to Mars in twenty thirty five? 767 01:04:35.519 --> 01:04:41.079 Sure, but all NASA's planning on doing is orbiting Mars, and they're 768 01:04:41.199 --> 01:04:48.079 not. They're so, you know, because their policies are guided by politics. 769 01:04:48.440 --> 01:04:56.000 They don't have a real solid focus on getting to Mars. So that 770 01:04:56.079 --> 01:05:00.480 twenty thirty five date I don't think is very realistic. The other thing is 771 01:05:00.760 --> 01:05:09.239 who are the players when it comes to Mars private exactly the private space initiatives. 772 01:05:09.679 --> 01:05:13.199 This is the thing though, If NASA focus is on going to the 773 01:05:13.239 --> 01:05:18.800 moon, what's good for big This is huge for Bigelow because Bigelow is the 774 01:05:18.840 --> 01:05:23.480 only player as far as I know or any of the people I talked to, 775 01:05:23.840 --> 01:05:29.280 Bigelow is the only one that has been working towards a base on the 776 01:05:29.320 --> 01:05:34.760 Moon. Which would also answer the question as to why Bigelow and NASA seem 777 01:05:34.840 --> 01:05:40.800 to be so tight lately and that relationship only seems to be growing. Is 778 01:05:40.960 --> 01:05:45.000 it seems that and this is my prediction, Bigelow is going to be the 779 01:05:45.039 --> 01:05:48.639 guy. They're going to be like, okay, let's get when your habitats 780 01:05:48.719 --> 01:05:54.639 up there asap. And Bigelow will have the first base on the Moon. 781 01:05:54.920 --> 01:05:59.679 Now, because it's a government base, a US base, it'll be governed 782 01:05:59.719 --> 01:06:09.000 by the United States, but private industry SpaceX. If SpaceX builds a base 783 01:06:09.119 --> 01:06:17.159 on Mars, the US government will have no jurisdiction over that base. SpaceX 784 01:06:17.280 --> 01:06:24.320 or the people up there can literally create their own government, their own form 785 01:06:24.360 --> 01:06:29.519 of government, have their own representatives, and it could be that we'll have 786 01:06:29.559 --> 01:06:34.119 an ambassador to let's say the Mars X Space Colony or something like that, 787 01:06:34.360 --> 01:06:43.159 or THEX Mars Colony. So that is really fascinating, and I think that's 788 01:06:43.199 --> 01:06:45.079 going to be a big deal because I don't think politicians are thinking about that 789 01:06:45.159 --> 01:06:48.840 right now. They don't get it because at one stage they're going to be 790 01:06:48.920 --> 01:06:51.880 like, hey, wait a minute, I want to have something to say 791 01:06:53.239 --> 01:06:56.320 about what they're doing up there, and they're going to be like, tough, 792 01:06:57.000 --> 01:07:00.199 you don't have any jurisdiction over us. Right. Yeah. As far 793 01:07:00.239 --> 01:07:06.400 as laws go, currently, it basically is wherever you are from, that's 794 01:07:06.440 --> 01:07:10.119 the law you have to abide. Again, how do you how do you 795 01:07:10.199 --> 01:07:15.519 enforce something like that exactly? And you know, it's it's really tricky. 796 01:07:16.079 --> 01:07:20.159 And one of the questions I had in this whole thing when I was researching 797 01:07:20.239 --> 01:07:24.599 is and I can't find the answer to and I'd like to know if someone 798 01:07:24.639 --> 01:07:28.119 else is researching into it, because there's all types of information online. Is 799 01:07:29.239 --> 01:07:34.239 if you if you send an object up in space and it lands on the 800 01:07:34.239 --> 01:07:39.559 moon, and you're on the moon and everything, Now, do you own 801 01:07:40.039 --> 01:07:46.719 that object from the state saying the country of America? But what happens if 802 01:07:46.760 --> 01:07:54.400 you personally own that object and you launch from another country? Does it is 803 01:07:54.440 --> 01:07:58.880 it ruled or is it owned by the country that launches it. There's no 804 01:07:58.960 --> 01:08:02.400 information about that that I can find. I mean, law is all about 805 01:08:02.639 --> 01:08:08.960 enforcement. It's just like with the marijuana laws. You know, there's laws 806 01:08:09.000 --> 01:08:15.399 in place for marijuana at the federal level. They currently choose not to enforce 807 01:08:15.479 --> 01:08:19.640 those and so they don't get enforced. Same goes for like, you know, 808 01:08:19.840 --> 01:08:24.560 traffic violations. We're all speeding all the time. They choose not to 809 01:08:24.680 --> 01:08:28.640 strictly enforce those type of things as long as we're being safe. I mean, 810 01:08:28.680 --> 01:08:34.359 it's all about enforcement. So in that instance, and That's what I 811 01:08:34.439 --> 01:08:39.039 think it would come down to, is if I'm an American citizen in America, 812 01:08:39.640 --> 01:08:46.159 then they can enforce laws against me. You know, they can say 813 01:08:46.159 --> 01:08:49.880 we're gonna throw you in jail because you broke this law regarding space and the 814 01:08:49.920 --> 01:08:54.880 moon. But if I was like let's say Julian Asunge or something, and 815 01:08:54.920 --> 01:09:00.239 I sought refuge or diplomatic refuge in a different country tree, then they wouldn't 816 01:09:00.239 --> 01:09:02.960 be able to enforce it, and I could do whatever I want. So 817 01:09:03.760 --> 01:09:10.000 yeah, it's so complicated. It's going to be fascinating all of this and 818 01:09:10.039 --> 01:09:15.920 how they figure it out. And I think we're going to have some interesting 819 01:09:15.960 --> 01:09:20.079 things going on. I think that, you know, I don't see, 820 01:09:20.119 --> 01:09:30.560 for instance, SpaceX or other organizations that build bases elsewhere being that compelled to 821 01:09:30.840 --> 01:09:38.279 hold strictly to laws made by countries here on planet Earth. And there are 822 01:09:38.279 --> 01:09:41.039 a lot of think tanks out there, or there are not a lot, 823 01:09:41.079 --> 01:09:44.720 I shouldn't say that at all. There are think tanks out there that talk 824 01:09:44.800 --> 01:09:49.039 about this sort of thing, and it all seems to be about how the 825 01:09:49.159 --> 01:09:54.079 self governance these people are going to have to come up with their own government 826 01:09:54.239 --> 01:10:00.000 and their own way to enforce their laws. Space really is interesting. Also, 827 01:10:00.159 --> 01:10:03.119 I'd like to talk quickly about the I don't know how much time we 828 01:10:03.159 --> 01:10:09.359 have, but the formats Okay, the Act of twenty fifteen that Obama signed 829 01:10:09.399 --> 01:10:14.960 in, and the law explicitly allows US citizens to engage in the commercial exploration 830 01:10:15.119 --> 01:10:20.760 and exploitation of space resources, including water and minerals. And I love this 831 01:10:20.840 --> 01:10:26.680 part. The right does not extend to biological life, so if anything's alive, 832 01:10:26.760 --> 01:10:31.600 it cannot be exploited commercially. So anyway, there was back in two 833 01:10:31.600 --> 01:10:39.039 thousand. This all came about because back in twenty twelve the Planetary Planetary Resources 834 01:10:39.439 --> 01:10:44.920 Ink was formed and that was actually you know, James Cameron had a part 835 01:10:44.960 --> 01:10:53.239 to do with that in Innovator Ross Perot Junior. And so you know there's 836 01:10:53.319 --> 01:10:57.760 a lot going on in space. Law is going to be about mineral resources 837 01:10:57.840 --> 01:11:02.680 and extracting things from astids. Again, they can't have you know, they 838 01:11:02.680 --> 01:11:05.600 can take an asteroid and they can land on the asteroid, but they can't 839 01:11:05.640 --> 01:11:14.079 at this point actually own or you know, have any governing over the asteroid. 840 01:11:14.279 --> 01:11:18.119 It's really great stuff. Yeah, really interesting. That makes me think, 841 01:11:18.159 --> 01:11:20.560 what about this? So you know, on two thousand and one. 842 01:11:21.239 --> 01:11:27.199 Right, we get to the Moon and we find that beacon. Yeah, 843 01:11:27.279 --> 01:11:30.680 so what is the monolith? Yeah? The monolith? What if the ets 844 01:11:30.840 --> 01:11:41.600 are waiting for the first Earthling government on another planet, and that's what they're 845 01:11:41.640 --> 01:11:45.159 going to say hi to you, because then we'll I have shown we were 846 01:11:45.239 --> 01:11:49.199 able to establish, you know, a calony, a government on another planet. 847 01:11:49.920 --> 01:11:55.520 So the first words are what took you so long? Or maybe go 848 01:11:55.600 --> 01:12:02.399 home? Yeah, et go home? How funny? Huh yeah? Interesting? 849 01:12:03.399 --> 01:12:08.960 So yeah, just a couple of quick things. I know we're running 850 01:12:09.000 --> 01:12:14.560 ahead of time. Is so if anyone's interested in looking into space law, 851 01:12:14.760 --> 01:12:18.840 the University of Mississippi, they have a journal, was the oldest one published 852 01:12:19.039 --> 01:12:21.840 all the way. It's been published since nineteen seventy three. You can find 853 01:12:21.880 --> 01:12:29.199 out about that. There's also space, cyber and teleod Communications Law program that's 854 01:12:29.239 --> 01:12:33.960 at the University of Nebraska. There's information online about that. And in the 855 01:12:34.000 --> 01:12:42.479 Netherlands there is university I think it's at Leading and that's an international Institute in 856 01:12:42.760 --> 01:12:46.760 Air and Space law. So that's all information you can find online. Really 857 01:12:46.760 --> 01:12:50.720 interesting. Well, I better do my business, So that's essentially it for 858 01:12:50.760 --> 01:12:54.840 the show. I better do my wrap up stuff here. Thank you so 859 01:12:54.960 --> 01:12:58.479 much for to Martin for joining us on the show at the time. Flu 860 01:12:58.840 --> 01:13:03.119 Oh my gosh. Yes. But of course Martin is on podcast UFO. 861 01:13:03.239 --> 01:13:06.199 Be sure to check out his show and you can check it out live on 862 01:13:06.279 --> 01:13:11.920 YouTube, which is super cool. And then you can actually see me and 863 01:13:11.960 --> 01:13:15.079 what I look like. Yeah, and Martin, he's a good looking fella. 864 01:13:15.800 --> 01:13:18.920 I don't know about that. Thanks with it, and you have this 865 01:13:19.039 --> 01:13:23.800 cool green screen background that you do. The other thing I want to mention 866 01:13:23.880 --> 01:13:27.119 though, is the UFO Congress. So we have a lot more speakers that 867 01:13:27.159 --> 01:13:30.520 we've posted out. We're going to be posting a lot more in the next 868 01:13:30.560 --> 01:13:33.600 week. We have some really exciting stuff up there, stuff that people haven't 869 01:13:33.600 --> 01:13:38.760 seen before. We have a guy who just retired from NASA. You work 870 01:13:38.800 --> 01:13:43.239 from NASA for thirty to fifty years something like that. His name is Alan 871 01:13:43.319 --> 01:13:48.319 Holt. He's actually been involved with MUFAN for a long time and he's also 872 01:13:48.399 --> 01:13:53.439 involved with some of my other friends working on the scientific end. But this 873 01:13:53.520 --> 01:13:58.359 ought to be a really fascinating talk. He's going to talk about visitors being 874 01:13:58.359 --> 01:14:02.119 here. I think he believes in that really cool stuff. So check out 875 01:14:02.199 --> 01:14:08.439 ufocongress dot com and you'll find out lots of updates and cool stuff at ufocongress 876 01:14:08.439 --> 01:14:11.479 dot com. But of course at open mindstat TV you'll find the news that 877 01:14:11.600 --> 01:14:14.800 Martin and I talked about at the beginning of the show. Otherwise, I 878 01:14:14.800 --> 01:14:16.880 want to thank Caleb Hanks. Some people ask about the music at the beginning 879 01:14:16.960 --> 01:14:20.319 of the end of the show. That's done by Caleb Hank's awesome stuff. 880 01:14:20.319 --> 01:14:25.840 You can find out more about that at open mindsat TV on the radio page. 881 01:14:26.079 --> 01:14:29.479 And I also want to thank Systematics who made the bumper music. Had 882 01:14:29.479 --> 01:14:31.479 some people ask about that. I don't know that he's making music anymore. 883 01:14:31.520 --> 01:14:36.199 He was a listener that volunteered some of his music, which I am so 884 01:14:36.319 --> 01:14:40.600 happy with. But thank you all for listening so much. Sorry, I 885 01:14:40.640 --> 01:14:43.720 hadn't done a show for a while, but we'll be back on track until 886 01:14:43.760 --> 01:14:50.319 the holidays at least. So until the next next time, Audio's mood chachose 887 01:14:50.960 --> 01:15:29.720 Bye Bye you