Hello, and welcome to Open Mind UFO Radio. I am your host Alejandro
Rojas, and I am with Martin Bananahead. Willis banana head? Where did
you get that? Wow, that's a new phrase for me. I've never
heard that one before, and I learned it from you. I won't say
who you called a banana head. It's no one the listeners know, I
don't think, but so don't don't think it was like, you know,
Nick Pope or something, but it was something else. But I just thought
it was a very cute phrase. And uh, you know, I've gotten
a couple of suggestions too as to what to call you recently. Oh no,
I don't know if I want to hear them. Spring them on me
when you know, when the time is right. Well, I don't even
remember. Actually, lucky for you, I can't remember. I was trying
to remember this time. But one of them last time I used it was
Martin, what you talking about? Willis? That was actually a listener suggestion.
Wow, that's cute. I met Cary Coleman. Yes, I do
get that one a lot of idea. Occasionally people will say that to me.
Yeah. So that phrase was used by Gary Coleman and I met him.
Did I tell you about that? Yeah, yes, I remember,
yeah, after you told me, after you called me that, Yeah,
oh I did tell me. Yeah oh man poor yeah yeah, funny little
fella and he has so little but yeah, so cool stuff. So I've
been gone and I'm back. Of course, Martin, you're here with the
news and we're going to talk about some UFO stuff. But first I wanted
to tell people about my guest. You ready for this? Yes? You
sure? I'm ready? Yes, there is no guests. It's just going
to be me and you blabbing are for the for for a little bit here?
Did I know that? I think you did. I don't know if
I knew that. Well, okay you didn't know that? Oh god,
well i'll yeah, hopefully you wait it man, yeah, we'll wing it
because I want to share, you know, what I've been up to the
last couple of weeks. And sure people, you know, they always get
annoyed when we don't have a show for a couple of weeks, and which
is great. I'm happy that people pay attention and love the show, but
I've gotten some not only you know, did I have fun it? And
I could share what my trip was about but I got some interesting information regarding
space and regarding UFOs that is coincidental and crazy and wild and fun and uh
so I think people will like this. So we'll talk about all of that,
and we'll talk about some recent UFO news that maybe you brought a couple
pieces of news that would be great, did you, Well I got one,
but that's get your site. Okay, like me to discuss that now
something that I posted this morning? Uh no, oh, okay a little
while ago. Okay, yeah, go ahead, let's get into some UFO
news. Well, and it's also not it didn't happen recently, but anyway,
this is about I think it's interesting because I love illustrated UFO sightings and
this one is about a black flying disc UFO with blue lights spotted in New
Mexico. This is in Rduso, New Mexico. So ridoso here me you
said it pretty rare. Ruy doso, rui doso, And I drive through
that when I go from here to Roswell. Yes, well it's about it's
right in between Las Cruss and Albuquerque, so it's about yeah, three months,
three hours south of Albuquerque in about two hours to the north, uh
north East, I guess of Las Cruces right in between, and it's actually
beautiful. I've looked at I looked at some pictures on line. It's pretty
h and I love the name. So that's why I always remember driving through
there right right. Well, this uh sighting actually happened all the way back
in of twenty thirteen, in August. It was reported, however, just
recently on Thanksgiving Day, and so the witness had drawn some great illustrations.
And what I like about this sighting I like unusual sightings, and this one
is unusual because what he saw was a black disc and right around the rim,
on the edges, there were little blue lights, which you know,
made me think, well, maybe was some type of drone or something,
But I don't know. You don't hear too many well you don't hear any
drones with blue lights around them really to speak of. But of UFO sightings,
you I think this is actually the first one I've heard with blue lights
all the way around it. So anyway, he was walking, you know,
basically walking along when he saw this, and then he just drew these
great little drawings. So if you go to your website, which is open
Minds dot tv, you will see these drawings crayon drawings actually, but pretty
well done. Mm hmm, yeah, so pretty interesting. So we saw
it from a side view and then from a from directly below, and it
was circular. It looked like it was a circular thing. Yeah, really
weird. It is kind of a weird one. And it's great that they
drew pictures and with crayons, right, Yeah. I don't think i'd want
that thing hovering over me. Yeah, that's weird. Yeah, but they
did such a great job with the pictures. And this whole adult coloring thing
is kind of funny. I like that. You like that just went in
their kids a crayon box and yeah, rated it, but you can tell
it's a good steady hand. But it's a thing now, coloring books.
They're adults. You haven't heard about that. Oh yeah, they should get
into it. Yeah, if you go to the bookstore. My sister and
my mom have gotten into it. But there's this whole thing coloring books for
adults. Wow, which is kind of funny. Yeah. I bet that's
like stress relieving. And my trip last week and I'll talk more about this.
That's one of the things they gave us was a coloring book with some
colored pencils. A NASA coloring book as a gift. Oh, that's pretty
interesting. Yeah, and did you do your coloring. No, I'm going
to give it to my mom because she's into doing that, so figured i'll
give it to her and she can color to her heart's content. Make a
nice Christmas present. Yeah yeah, so yeah, interesting sighting. These sightings
are always fun. New Mexico is a really interesting place. Ruidoso is a
really pretty interesting place. It's fun because, you know, on the leg
of the trip to Roswell, that's and I used to do that a lot,
you know, driving here to Roswell. Luckily, last couple of years
I've flown, and hopefully this next year I'll fly again. But get it's
ugly, boring desert until you get to Las Crusis, which is gorgeous.
And then when you get over the hills over last Crucius, there's the White
the Range, the White Sands Missile Range with missile parks here and there,
which are really cool so you can see all these rockets and everything. And
then from there you drive through this really pretty country up into the hills and
you're pretty much in mountainous area. Until you get to this desert plains of
Roswell, which again then it gets boring until you get to Roswell. But
until then it's just super pretty. You're driving through like an Apache reservation and
stuff like that, and it's just gorgeous area. So at least once if
you haven't done it, you know, driving to Roswell, especially from the
west western side of the country, is a lot of fun. We're driving
around the area, and I highly recommend for people to go go out to
ros Well the Carl's Bag Cabins. You ever been there, No, I've
always wanted to go, super super cool. So let's see out of the
headlines. Since we're talking about UFO news right now, there were a couple
of headlines from this morning. I don't know that I missed a whole lot.
I mean, are you aware of any big stories in the last couple
of weeks. Not really. I have looked on the different sites just to
see what's going on. Triangle sightings are seemed to be kind of prevalent,
but nothing that really stands out in any particular way, although there was like
a totally red triangle, which I think is another unusual one. Yeah,
one of the stories that's out there is these lights in Colorado and they turned
out to be military aircraft. But surprisingly, since I've posted that story this
morning, a lot of people are not buying this military aircraft explanation. In
the video, you do see kind of a row of lights and they're kind
of blinking and stuff like this. And yeah, there's a lot of people
that are doubting this official explanation of these lights with some pretty interesting video.
And it could be that they saw the video and they loved it and they
thought it was so cool that they figured there's no way that's an aircraft.
And then now they're coming out and saying it is an aircraft. But yeah,
Colorado, that's a bigger story out there. Have you seen that video?
I have not. Now do actually see the what do they call them
the running lights or whatever? Do you see those blinking? No? Not
really, you just see the singular kind of lights. I haven't looked at
it too closely to be honest, But because there are there's actually laws.
As far as I know, I'm pretty sure that you have to have no
so you don't not if you're a military aircraft over a military training area.
Oh and Colorado is packed full of military all of the Southwest, I mean
New Mexico, Arizona, Colorado, California, especially southern California, Nevada of
course, is there's so much military and military proving grounds that, yeah,
there's a lot of It could be that all of those states are also,
you know, really high for UFO sidings even per capita, like we've talked
about recently, and that's probably one of the reasons all of these military proving
grounds. I know, stuff they do out there out here is getting mistaken
a lot, and that's one of the reasons. I know. They run
lights off here at Goldwater often, so there's jets flying around dropping flares,
but they have no visible lights on. They have what they call their I
forget what they call it, something like stealth mode or something where they're just
using I lights. So the pilots and stuff have and the people on the
ground have night vision goggles and they can see the lights using their goggles but
not using their naked eye. Wow, you know, there's this is an
interesting factoid. You want a little nerdy geekoid factoid. Oh yes, absolutely
so. I don't know if you've ever done this. So I are infrared
is like beyond what the eye can see, to frequency the eye can't see.
Our remote controllers use that frequency to control our televisions and stuff like that.
Well, in some of the older digital cameras, they didn't filter out
that light. So if you were to videotape, like let's say, with
your Sony high eight a remote control and push the buttons, you would see
the light from that remote control with your old handycam because you know, they
filter at that light. Kind of neat. Huh see the lot, I've
seen the lot, seen the lot? Yeah, yeah, wow, Oh
that's that's interesting. I know we can I forget what the spectrum is that
we can actually see, which you know, calls into all kinds of things,
even in regards to UFOs. You know, what we can see and
what we can't see, and what you can see with you know, equipment.
It's called human visible light frequency hv LF. Wow, I didn't know
you were so learned and I made that up. Actually, Oh sounds like
a thing, doesn't it. Yeah, it's awesome. So another story,
this is kind of interesting, and I'm gonna look this up, is Nick
poke jacking with people. I mentioned Nick Pope before He is a guy who
used to in the nineties work for uh the Ministry of Defense investigating UFOs in
the UK while they did that. Of course, that the UFO desk he
used to work out was closed in two thousand and eight, but he,
you know, was convinced there's something really to the phenomena. However, lately
he certainly has been expressing his distaste and kind of with with hoaxers and people
who believe in the hoaxes and the real goofy stuff. And the UK tabloids,
of course, like you and I talk about, are really full of
the goofy stuff. But he spoke with The Sun, which of course is
a UK tabloid and is one of the you know, one of the people,
one of the tabloids that makes up a lot of sensational stuff. And
of course if you go to these tabloids, they got all their bikini girls
and everything all over the place and these weird stories. But he wrote up
a pretend classified document on what, you know, as if the government had
a document on how we would deal with aliens should they invade, And so
The Sun did a whole story on this with him, and he talked about
it now the Sun. Although I make fun of him, you know,
they do have a couple good writers there. And what's funny is at this
trip I was recently on because one of the other tabloids that we kind of
beg on a bit is a Daily Mail or a Mail Online as or online
version. I met a writer from Mail Online and talked with him quite a
bit. And yeah, he gets embarrassed by some of the stories, but
you know, some of the writers are good, and of course Nick is
great, so it's an interesting story. And he tweeted about this document.
Here's what he tweeted. He said, here's the alien invasion war plan that's
generated recent media coverage. Don't pat it panic. I don't know why I
can't talk today. Don't panic. It isn't a genuine government document or part
of a sinister Illuminati plot. I drew it up to provoke an interesting fund
debate about the consequences of finding extraterrestrial life. And he attaches this document he
made, and it's pretty funny because it's an alien invasion war plan with ten
points, and the tenth point says all information relating to this warplan is to
be classified top secret. He has on the top of this document in red,
top secret ukiyes only, and he has the same thing on the bottom
and it signed Nick Pope, MJ twelve, uk J nine. Banana head.
You didn't really call him a banana had before the show, but you're
calling him one now. He's being kind of a banana head. No,
he's being a banana head on purpose though, So isn't that funny? So
yeah, so he's just kind of in a way being andre but also just
having fun with bringing forth this information. I wonder where that will go,
you know, I mean how many people take that seriously and you know,
oh no, write it out? Who knows, you know what the people
who will run with that and pretender or say that Nick is some sort of
disinformation or government agent already are saying that. So yeah, I'm sure.
And you know, another gentleman who is interested in this topic and is interviewed
and talks about it quite a bit is another person who's accused of being part
of a secret group that admit, you know, looks over UFOs like m
J twelve. He's been accused of being part of m J twelve is John
Alexander. So John is thanking him? Yeah, he doesn't have the same
sense of humor that Nick Pope does. He's got a subtle one, but
nothing you know, like Nick's. Especially after a few drinks. Nick can
be hilarious. People might not know that about him, but if you go
to a conference, you know, buy him a beer and hang out with
him, especially into the wee hours of the morning, and you'll find this
out about him. But yeah, obviously he's showing a sense of humor here,
being really really funny. But John Alexander does a lot of analysis along
those lines of you know, what if aliens attacked sort of thing, and
the gist of what Alexander says, and I think that's kind of Nick does
that too in this document. The gist is that we're screwed. If aliens
attack, then you're over. Yeah, well logically, that's it makes sense.
I mean, if they were able to get here, you know what
type of advance, yeah, you know, technology would they have. That's
why this whole theory or some of the theory is that it's like this slow
invasion or that they're just kind of doing some intelligence before they pounce type of
stuff. It's kind of weird, like they have done this for years because
they wouldn't need to even if they wanted our resources, they could just kind
of wipe us out and take them. They could build little robots instead of
us andre you know, violent humans that just kind of screw things up to
So I yeah, soon. Luckily, it doesn't seem like that's at least
a scenario that's playing out currently. I don't think so, yeah, yeah,
yep, so yeah. So those are a couple of stories on the
headlines that are pretty interesting. There's a lot about Apollo seventeen, which we'll
get into as well, because that is very very cool stuff. So do
you have any more news stories? No, not really, but just kind
of along those lines. I was speaking to a friend that didn't even know
I did at UF show. I talked to her, I don't know,
once every three or four years or something like that, and she said something
about, well, it's the aliens, you know, with this weather,
j Amy, she has a boatyard in Puerto Rico. They just opened last
summer, has completely wiped out. And she said, well, it's the
aliens, you know, And I go, where are you coming up with
that? She goes, well, I've always thought that they were just watching
us and it's like, wow, so I told her I did a show.
She's now she's going to be a new listener to my show. But
it's kind of funny how, you know, more people. I mean,
I'm not saying anything of what she was saying is true or not true,
I don't know, but it just seems more relaxed now. Have you noticed
that, like more people are are accepting that there's a possibility that we are,
you know, either being visited or I think so you know, like
for instance, this trip I just went on is a media trip where you
spend it with a lot of other press, and it's not it used to
be a little more embarrassing or a little more you know, you get a
funny look when I talked about you know, one of my main beats is
UFOs. When I just say the paranormal, it's not as big of a
deal, but UFOs, especially with science people, and there are a couple
of people, especially my last trip, where one person was just like ah,
she's a science person and that you know, got very frustrated by the
whole topic. But otherwise, other it's mostly taken very positive. People seem
to be okay that you're interested in it I forget the stages of acceptance and
I need to look into it. But it's essentially, oh, here it
is five stages of oh grief. I don't know that's the same thing.
So this is like across the board of acceptance of him, kind of a
theory of acceptance. And if they keep talking about five stages of grief,
but this isn't grieving necessarily, but the point being that one of the first
stages is there's like a denial, and then it's making fun of it,
and then it's taken us self evident. That's kind of the way it goes.
So doctor Leo Sprinkle is pretty funny. He used to talk about,
well, people would ask him and this is why I remember this if he
feels frustrated that people make fun of this topic of UFOs and aliens and stuff.
And he said, well, actually, because of these three stages,
we've moved from denial to ridicule. So he's very happy that we've moved on
to another stage and moving closer to the next stage of uh taking it as
self evident. And it does feel as though we're moving into that stage.
I feel like like it's okay, it's just another thing. It's not as
big of a deal. Maybe with all the other crazy beliefs that we've got
going on out there right now, flat earth being so popular and some other
stuff. You know, I agree with you. It seems like it's becoming
more Okay, it's flat and it's hollow at the same time. The earth
is flat and hollow. Really yeah, that's very interesting. Yeah, kind
of like some type of cookie, you know, a collar cookie with no
filling. Yeah. Yeah, hmmmmm, cookies, cookies. I can't say
that too loud. My girlfriend's cookie crazy. Oh she was just talking about
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Alejandro and Martin on Open Mind UFO Radio. Welcome back to Open Mind's
UFO Radio. You're listening to Alejandro Rojas, your host for this lovely little
UFO show, and I am with Martin Bananahead Willis in studio. Do you
mind if I call you Bananahead for the show? No, I think a
lot of people would kind of agree with you. Unfortunately, I like bananas
too. Yeah, we got to see lots of bananas in Hawaii, so
I should say. I just wanted to note this, which is kind of
interesting. So you know how I talked about that case with in Colorado with
the plant and they said it was a convoy of C seventeen aircraft. More
and more people online are saying, no, it's not there's no way.
So that's kind of funny. You mean more people are posting since since we
started. Yeah, wow, so this has got people heated up and they
don't agree with that C seventeen explanation. So kind of interesting. I'll have
to take a closer look at the video, and I compel all of the
listeners to do so as well. You can find that, of course,
in the daily headlines at openminds dot tv, or you can go to the
open mind, uh, Facebook or Twitter and uh and find that also or
mine also. So Hawaii, I just want to mention it because I was
I was there for a second and I just wanted to say that, you
know, we went on vacation for a week in Hawaii. No UFO activity.
Unfortunately it was cloudy most of the time, but we did have a
couple of days of sun, but an underwater adventure. We didn't see any
USOS. Everything we saw was identified, but really cool stuff. I just
wanted to let people know that. On my Facebook if you look at the
Alejandro Rojas a public profile one even the other one actually if you look me
up, we're on my Twitter. I posted a video of So this is
really cool. They have these submarines, and I remember when I was younger,
they had these subs, you know, and I think Disneyland had a
ride where there's a you get in a sub and go around and you see
mermaids or whatever, but you're not really submerged. The top of the sub
is still above water even though the bottom is underwater. But these are real
subs that take you down like one hundred feet. I think we got down
to like one hundred and thirty feet and yeah, super cool. So we
took one off of at Waikiki Beach that goes out into not very far you
know, out there, and are sunken ships. There's planes and a couple
sucking chips and they sink them. One of them was sunk in, I
don't think on purpose, but the others were because they make like a coral
reef because all of our coral reef is dying, and so they're sinking stuff
for the upper for fish, and and the fish gather around these things and
drove. So it's incredible to coast by without having to die or you know,
be in scuba gear or anything, coast by these wrecks and see all
these fish. And in the video I posted, this giant turtle. Sea
turtle came swimming by it. It's so cool. So it was funny because
being such a goofball. So we were at o Wahu, which is where
Waikiki is. Waikikis in Honolulu. The city of Honolulu. Honolulu is like
mini Tokyo. It's it's so many Japanese. There's there's a lot to Asian
people, but tons and tons of Japanese people, and it feels like you're
in Minnie Tokyo because there's all these Japanese restaurants and people speaking Japanese and Japanese
riding everywhere. There's a Tesla store. The Tesla store is full of these
rich Japanese people, probably shipping some Tesla's home, but you know, they
have Japanese riding on everything, which is really fun because I love Japanese culture.
I'm big into anime and all this other stuff. So that was really
interesting, really different that the whole Japanese thing. But we were at Honolulu
and that's where we took this submarine ride. But the submarine thing was incredible,
and you can check out the video. I don't know why I went
off on the Japanese thing. I was going to mention something about it,
but I can't remember. Now, go ahead, Is that was the I
mean, was the submarine all glass or how did you see so well?
So you have these big portholes that are probably three feet wide, I think
probably. Oh. This is what I was going to say, is I've
you know, there's a cliche idea about the Japanese tourists with their cameras and
stuff, but that's me. When I travel. I've got cameras. I've
got my phone, I've got my GoPro, and you know, when I
take these press trips, it's because I want all of this media so I
can put it out on social media and also have some cool pictures. But
I do that everywhere, so I was doing that there. So on the
seb I've got my GoPro pressed up against the glass of the porthole, and
then in my hand, I have my DSLR and I'm trying to take pictures
and get video with the DSLR at the same time and trying to look So
I'm juggling all this stuff, changing lenses on my DSLR. I probably look
pretty goofy, but I'm just so busy during when cool stuff is happening like
this. But you know, if you go look at my Instagram, you'll
see some cool videos at the parade, and I'm able to get some cool
videos because when the turtle went by, luckily, I had my GoPro and
my DSLR running and on the video I posted both, so you can see
the difference and actually, did you actually see anything or were you filming the
whole time? Both I could see stuff luckily. Yeah, I know what
it's like though, like all of a sudden you realize, well, hey,
you know, I should be enjoying this exactly filming. Well I don't,
And that is kind of funny because it's like, especially it gets so
hectic, the time flies by, and I'm not so much enjoying, but
I'm so stoked and happy that I get it recorded because then I'm able to
share with others. And then also, you know, look at the videos
and pictures afterwards to remember the wonderful times. Yeah, that's great, awesome,
so really cool. I just wanted to mention that. But after that,
I went to space Camp. So here's why National Geographic. Luckily,
I've got some good buddies there in the promotions and marketing department, and they
have this show Mars, and we've talked about that because that's why I went
to Hungary and I got to be on the set for the second season of
this show Mars. So they're promoting this show Mars, and that's one of
the reasons we got to go out there. And one of the actors was
with us, Sammy I forget his last name, but cool dude. And
then the scientist or he's not a scientist he's actually a journalist. He's a
science writer, kind of like some of us are there, because most of
the writers actually that go our entertainment and only a couple of us are science.
But he's a science writer who was a consultant and they based this Mars
program off of his book, Stephen Petronek, So he was there. But
the other show, I don't even know completely how much I can even say
about it because they really haven't announced much much, but I'll say some.
It's this show called One Strange Rock and it looks super cool. So we
got to talk with one of the directors and see some clips and it's going
to be a ten part series for National Geographic and it's kind of like that
show Earth on BBC. You know, that's a really big deal where they
get these cool footage and stuff like this of Earth. So it is based
on getting this amazing footage, but it's from the perspective mostly of astronauts.
So I have this really cool interview because we got to interview an astronaut,
and I've interviewed Mike Massimo, who's also in this show, but on the
same topic of what it's like the emotions and the experience of seeing the Earth
from space and how all of these guys say it really changes them. I'm
sure often they use this term spaceship Earth because you get this idea of the
size of the planet and that the planet is kind of this spaceship that's carrying
us through space, you know, and it makes it that much more important
to them that we care for the environment of this spaceship. I know,
if you look down at the atmosphere is like the skin of an apple.
They say, it's so so tiny exactly, so it looks so fragile.
It is fragile, and that's what we're finding out it is, you know,
how fragile it really is. So it's like, imagine it's like your
car, you know, or you know, whatever vehicle. If your car
is a mess, you know, it's not that fun to be in and
it can be you know, detrimental to you even being in there or driving
or something. And it's the same kind of thing. It's just you know,
it feels to them kind of a sense of more compact and it's just
that much more important for us to take care of it. And so that's
kind of the sense of things. And they got some amazing cameras in space
and everything. So I'm really excited about this series. So this is kind
of really good. So that's why. So to help promote this, we
got to go with these guys to space Camp. And Space Camp of course
most people know it as for kids, but now they have a corporate kind
of space camp for adults, so you can go there as groups and do
this kind of corporate team building. And so we did kind of the adult
space Camp type of thing, which really isn't much different than the kid one.
It's kind of funny because I don't think the adults at least are a
group of adults didn't act much, just different than kids. But yeah,
I got to post because of course I'm there with all my cameras and crap.
But we had a camera man there too, so a professional who's taking
pictures for us. So hopefully I'll have some cool pictures like that to post
soon. But you know, on my Astagram and stuff, I posted me
on that multi access trainer right where it spins you around, and it's actually
not as barf inducing as you might think. Your center is the center of
gravity. Your stomach is the center of gravity, so your stomach isn't moving
so much. That's why it doesn't bother your stomach as much. And they
say, as long as you keep your eyes open, it doesn't hurt your
head as much. And I wasn't going to do it. I thought,
I don't want to get a headache, I don't want to throw up,
but I decided to do it because a lot of people said that it wasn't
that bad, and it wasn't. Luckily, I wasn't that dizzy. Can
you control the speed of that or now you can't? Well, it just
flips your round all by itself. It just gets going, kind of like
a gyroscope all by itself, and you just start flipping around and it's kind
of crazy. Can you control it by flipping a certain way? Not really,
not that I think. I don't know. Maybe some seasoned person could,
but no, I mean it's so large and it has so much The
advantage of your weight is nothing compared to the rest of the weight of this
thing. So yeah, I don't think so. Yeah. Yeah, I
thought those videos were cool. So that was cool. We launched rockets and
we did some other stuff. But then you launched rockets. Oh, we
launched like model rockets. Oh okay, so, which was funny. And
it was funny because we're building them, and especially when table was getting really
loud and everybody having fun and she had to act like little kids. Okay,
everybody focus, you know, and they were using like their little kid
tactics on it and books. Yeah, exactly. Wow. So but this
is cool. So this week is there's a lot of news today about today
being the fiftieth anniversary of the Apollo seventeen mission. Did you know that?
No? I did not. Wow, Yeah I missed that in the news
today. Yeah. So December what was actually December seventh, nineteen seventy two,
but I guess today was the day maybe they got to the moon because
they're talking a lot about it today. They landed on the nineteenth. So
the mission was going on in seventy two. And I'm sorry, forty five
years scared me for a second because that's only a year before I was born.
I was like, what, I'm not that old, so forty five
years. But this is really cool. So at the US Space Center they
had a anniversary dinner that we were able to go to, kind of a
gala museum thing, kind of like the things that you see on TV that
you know, Bruce Wayne would go to these events. And it was funny
because I didn't have dress clothes because I had to we just got back and
I had to get early and I didn't wasn't able to pack dress clothes,
so I wore my blue jumpsuit space camp jumpsuit, you know, and there's
all these guys in black ties and everything, and they kind of thought I
was an employee because luckily the kids who are employees there wore their suits also,
so I just pretended like I was staff with them. I should have
like served, you know, served food on a tray and get the garbage
stuff like that. Well, I figured if somebody asked me for something and
it was cool, like to show them something I would like if they asked,
well, what is this capsule? And even if I didn't know,
I could have made some stuff up, you know, like push that button.
Yeah, this this capsule is powered by a flux capacitor. It actually
is a time machine and if you get inside. But nobody did ask me
except for maybe to the restroom or something like that. But so in this
museum, just to set the setting, this museum is cool. So you
walk into this museum which they've got missiles all over the place and everything.
This is in Huttsville, Alabama, near the Marshall Space Center where they have
space camp and they have a museum there, and it's also by I think
it's called the red Stone, Like this whole town is all defense and military
type of stuff because of the Redstone Arsenal there. So I think that it's
an area kind of like White Sands where they can test their missiles and rockets
and stuff like that. And that and NASA which is makes it, you
know, all defense and everything. So you walk in and there's this giant
Saturn five rocket that was a real one and they had built to do testing
on that is hanging on the ceiling of this museum. So it's a huge
Hugh mong us. So you can see this on my social media. I
posted a video at the dinner where you could see this. We first we
got a tour of the museum and one of the engineers who worked on the
rocket walked us through and told us all about the rocket from top to bottom.
So we were in the museum before that huge museum, and then they
set up the dinner afterwards for that night actually and so it was really fancy.
Dim the lights and it's in the middle of this museum with you have
an Apollo lander. You have tons of different capsules and rocket engines and all
this cool stuff all around. It was really neat. And this is in
Alabama. In Alabama, Wow, I know, huh. And the kicker,
this is what was kind of cool, is the The guest of honor
was Harrison Schmidt, who was a scientist that was on Apollo the Apollo seventeen
mission. He was one of the first scientists to be an astronaut because a
lot of the others were like former pilots and stuff like this. So that
was really cool. And this is a big deal because Harrison Schmidt was also
into the paranormal and he was a key to one of my biggest investigations.
And do you know what that one was. Let's see if you know,
because I talked about it a lot. Well, I know you talk about
the with the religious aspects, but it wouldn't be that. No, I
don't want to keep going, so I don't want to keep guessing. Oh
man Dody, oh, the whole Paul Benowitz affair. Okay, So in
a nutshell, of course, this man Richard Doty, who worked for Air
Force OSI at Kirkland Air Force Base in the eighties, was giving information to
this guy named Paul Benowitz, who is an engineer who is providing like equipment
to Kirkland Air Force Base. And this guy, Paul Benowitz, this engineer
said he thought he saw UFOs and stuff and was getting strange signals over Kirkland.
So he went to Kirkland and said, hey, I think there's you
know, aliens might be buzzing around your base. So Dody and this other
guy went out to his house and examined everything and said, Nope, this
really isn't anything that we have anything to do with. Sorry. But Dody
then apparently returned and said, hey, you know, you're right, this
is aliens, and you know there's a whole alien conspiracy going on, and
started feeding Benowitz documents. The very first Hoked fakes document he provided to Benowitz
was one called Project Aquarius, which was said to be a project administered by
Majestic twelve, this secret group that oversees UFOs. And this is where the
mythology the story of MJ twelve and Project Aquarius comes from. These hoked fakes
documents that this guy gave him. How do we know they're hoped or faked,
because Richard Dodi says he hoped and he faked them. He said that
he did it however, to because Paul Benowitz was observing top secret projects at
Kurkentland Air Force Base, and they wanted Benowitz to think they were alien and
not really top secret, so that he wouldn't talk to the Russians or the
Russians wouldn't take him seriously and get some of his material. So they made
him believe it was aliens. He thought then there was an alien invasion.
Long story short, He went literally nuts. He was institutionalized a couple of
times, and he went crazy because he thought aliens were following him and invading
and everything. In the meantime, I did a FOYE and I found out
that there were a couple senators that Benowitz had gotten a hold of it and
said, hey, Congress people, I should say that Benowitz got a hold
of it and said, hey, there's aliens and UFOs and I have proved
the Air Force has given me this information. Both of these guys went to
the Air Force. So Senator Pete Dominici and at the time, a congressman
with the US House of Representatives representing New Mexico, Harrison Schmidt. I just
saw that. I just read that. So Harrison Schmidt went to the Kirtland
Air Force Base and said, what the hell's going on here? Why are
you guys bugging this guy about UFOs and stuff. Well, Richard Dodi was
the one who was supposed to go talk to these guys, and in official
documents that I got from the Air Force, Richard Doldy Dody told them,
well, he came to us, he said he had UFO stuff. We
went and looked at it. We said there was nothing to it. And
that's the last we've talked to him. That's what Dody told these guys.
But he was lying, and he could because he doesn't address Actually I've never
heard him say address how he spoke with these guys. I got this through
these Air Force documents, but he says, of course, he was feeding
him hoaxed information. So I was really excited about this because luckily we were
working with the press person at the museum, and I asked her, would
it be okay if I passed off my open letter to the Air Force on
this whole affair too, Harrison Schmid, because I don't know that he knows
he was lied to when he went in and talked to Dody about all of
this, and she said, oh yeah, that'd be great, So she
printed it out for me. We had a press conference with Harrison Schmidt and
then she let me approach him and say, and this is what I did.
I said, you know, do you remember Paul Benowitz. This was
a long time ago, but you had approached the Air Force on his behest,
you know, back in the eighties. And he's at first he was
like, he didn't seem like you knew it. And then he's like,
oh, yeah, Paul Benowitz, and it seemed like, I mean he
knew, he remembered the name, and he was like, yeah, Paul
Benowitz, Paul Benoitz. And so I said, well, here's a report
I did because I don't think you got the full story, and I got,
you know, I did a foia and I got some information from the
Air Force that I think you're going to find really interesting. So here's a
copy of that report. And he was like, okay, great, thank
you. And that was about it. Because he was mobbed with people.
He was the guest of honor. So you know, there were just tons
and tons of people and lots of press around and everything. Luckily, most
of the press was with our group the Space Camp thing, so I knew
them, so it was no big deal. But there's lots of local press.
So then he went off and I got a picture with him later,
and I got pictures of him there because I want to write a story on
this. But pretty cool. Yeah, so I got time for a short
comment, but we got to go to break in just a second. All
right, sounds good. So you mean a comment for me? Yeah,
oh, if you have any initial reaction, No, I think that's I
think that's great, and I just I one of the things I wanted to
say is Richard Dodie is now talking all over the place. Now. Yeah,
so let's get to that in a film. He's been talking on radio
shows. Yeah, we'll get to that. Let's do that after the break.
Let's talk more about that, because that's a good point. So you're
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You for a radio with Alejandro and Martin m Welcome back to Open Mind
UFO Radio. This is your host Alejandro Rojas and I am with Martin podcast
UFO. Willis oh I graduated. Yes, thank you. You're no longer
a bananahead. Oh wow, finally you're demoted to the host of podcast UFO.
That's right. So you made a point about Dodie. You're making a
point about doting. Yeah, just the fact that he's on talk radio shows
now and he was in a career documentary and saying really bizarre stuff. I'm
talking about aliens, seeing aliens and all kinds of things. That's the thing
is, this guy is a liar, and I've written this and I've documented
it, and a lot of things. He's changed his story constantly. So
for instance, he brought Linda Howe to Kirkland Air Force Base, the same
Linda how that's going to be speaking out the UFO Congress this year, so
go to Ufocongress dot com for more about that. But he brought her to
Kirtland Air Force Base and then fed her this really crazy stuff. Unfortunately,
she believes he thinks that it was all real, but probably some of the
stuff you heard him say, and then he denied that he did that.
Now, in my interview with Linda how on this, she said, no,
he never denied. Yes, he did deny. I've got records showing
that he did deny that that ever happened. He said Linda was a liar,
and then he backpedaled on that, because everybody knows, whatever you think
about Linda how she's not a liar, right, you know, even if
you don't like her work or whatever some people don't, she's no liar and
she's got a great reputation for that. So he eventually backped and said,
Okay, it did happen. I did show her this stuff, but that
was he started to say that was mixed, that was some of it's real
and some of it's not. And then he starts with all of these crazy
stories about UFOs and aliens. And he's been talking about this ever since he
went underground. For the longest time, right didn't talk to many people,
But now that his story has kind of gained some ground from it's a story
I haven't dropped. But there's other people too that cover it. That great
Bishop, for example, wrote a great book Project Beta on this. And
then there's another guy, Wilkinson. Wilkerson wrote a book on it, Mirage
Men, and did a documentary that Chris Lambright too. Yeah, Chris Lambright
has done a lot of research into it, so that have kept the story
alive. And now he's kind of resurfaced a bit. He was a police
officer with the New Mexico State Police for a while. And this is why
I think the Air Force really needs and I really hope that Harrison Schmidt picks
this up, because he was lied to by Dody, and we need the
Air Force to say why this happened. Why did they let Dody feed this
guy disinformation, disinformation that has become the backbone of the mythology when it comes
to UFOs about the conspiracy and everything. Why did they allow Dody to do
that? Did they not know that? I would imagine they would have had
to have noted. This whole thing went on for eight years, and now
that he is no longer with the OSI, he's still talking about this,
saying he did this stuff while he was with the OSI. So I think
the Air Force needs to give some answers, and hopefully Harrison Schmidt looks that
over and says, hey, you know, can see this Dody guy lied
to me, or at least now he's telling people he lied to me.
I need some frickin' answers here. So that's what I'm hoping for, right
And Schmidt is now a so yeah, who knows how long he'll be,
you know, interested in active in it. So at the time, basically
Dody lied to a senator, is what you're saying. Exactly, he lied
to to congressmen at the time, and you know, as a representative of
the Air Force. So the question is, did he really create all those
hoax documents because he was told to do it, or, as some believe,
did he do it all on his own. Really, that's the question,
and that's unanswerable. Most people, even lots of conservative UFO researchers,
believe that he was told to do it, and maybe that is the case,
but some people like John Alexander believe know he was rogue doing this on
his own, and it's hard to say. So I want answers to that.
But here's the other thing, moving on from that with Harrison Schmidt.
So when I was on your show on Wednesday, while I was at Space
Camp in my super cool blue NASA jumpsuit that they gave us, we talked
about how the big news is some of the exciting stuff going on with space
is actually that there's a new space race brewing, and it's another space race
to the Moon, which is so interesting in the anniversary of Apollo seventeen.
And here's what's going on, is that the Russians and the Chinese, not
that they've been referenced recently in news that even just came out today. I'm
not sure if you're aware of, but the Russians and the Chinese have said
that they're they're planning on putting bases on the Moon. Of course, NASA
and others have been talking about going to Mars. But as we discussed,
you know, some of us were talking about this, how can the US
be happy about that? You know, how can we allow the Chinese and
the Russians to put up bases on the Moon and just allow that, because
you know, we haven't figured out the laws and the legalities around owning property
anywhere, and of course, who's going to have the most input on who
owns what people who are already there. If the Chinese set up a base
and they say, you know, we own this thousand square miles around us,
who's going to say anything different. Well, they actually can't. I
can talk about that, but that's see, but that's not true the legalities.
But let's talk about this because this is interesting. Go ahead, what
did you find? Well, so when you were on my show where you
know, I was kind of like joking saying that why not people should be
looking at they're thinking about practicing law to practice space law. And then I
started looking into it, and there's a lot going on with that, not
just in mining resources, but satellite issues. You know, there's a lot
and there's well to get into, you know, basically what we're talking about.
Back just before I think it was nineteen seventy two, there was the
Outer Space Treaty signed, and I think there's something like over one hundred countries
have signed into this thing that was signed back in January of nineteen sixty seven.
But there's also the Moon Treaty, and that's kind of an extension of
the Outer Space Treaty, which was actually called Treaty on Principles governing the activities
of states, which means countries and the exploration and use of outer space,
including the Moon and other celestial bodies. That's a long version. So basically
it's saying that you can own your property. In other words, if Bob
Bigelow wanted to send one of his budget inns up on the moon and planet
there, he would own his property. You are actually also liable for your
property as far as any damage that you cause or any liability like the crashes
to Earth and all that. But you own just your property and not you
cannot own any of the ground itself. It has, uh there used to
be like an idea that of occupation. Of course, you know, we
were the first to get there, so we this. You know, we
could have like claimed this is our you know, our moon type of thing.
But but we're all in agreeance that any celestial body that we cannot have
us a sovereignty over it, which I think is great to be in place.
And I have a lot more on that I can talk about, but
of as far as resources and the mining of asteroids and stuff like that,
But so far, I just wanted to hear what your feedback is. Yeah,
So the the issue becomes whether or not something is enforceable, or whether
or not someone wants to stick to that. So, for instance, the
United States is one of the worst. You're not supposed to have nuclear devices
in space, but the US has done it. They've had nuclear powered satellites
and such. So it's like it comes down to do the governments want to
adhere to that or do they just want to ignore it and do what they
want forced exactly, and then it has to be enforced. So that's the
whole key. If China went up there, and even the way it's written,
the way that you talked about it, now, if China goes up
there and has a base, then they're the first what they get the pick
of the litter. They get to choose wherever they want to put it,
so they've got first choice. We want this site, you know, then
we want this site and they can put up structures and things. So if
we want in the game, then we've got to get there. And this
whole idea about ownership of the land, I mean, it's there's other legal
problems. Bigelow brought this up. So Bigelow's thing was and this is what's
really interesting because Bigelow plays a big role. As you mentioned, Bigelow's owns
budget in his billionaire started a space company and now he's got Bigelow Aerospace where
he's building these inflatable units once on the Iss and he wants to build a
base on the Moon, and he's working with NASA on that. And at
this Huntsville place that I went to and I've got some pictures i'll post,
he has a huge presence. They have models of his units, they have
several different they have a big model of his proposed base. So they have
all of this Bigelow stuff, which was really interesting at this NASA thing,
just to show how how much of a partnership they have going there. But
Bigelow has brought this up if I put a budget in like you said,
because he was talking about that at first, if I put a base up
on the Moon where I want to fly people to, I need to understand
the legalities of the ownership of the land because I can't put a base up
there and then one day the land be sold or taken away from under me.
So there's so many issues. But what he's getting at, and I
think what that's going to lead to is they will need to own that land
because they will need to for legal reasons, insurance and others. They'll need
to have a firm legal ownership, you know, of of the land underneath
these structures. So that that brings up all kinds of legal issues. Yeah,
there's a ton of it. And yeah, like liability, like ruling
laws, governing laws. Oh my gosh, yeah, we brought that up.
But let me just real quick move to this next part because we'll get
to that because that's super interesting too. I'm fascinated by this aspect of it.
But so I asked Harrison Schmidt in our press conference. I said,
you know, with the Chinese and the Russians, you know, prioritizing and
having a refocus and saying they're going to go build bases on the moon,
do you think this will rekindle a space race to get to the Moon like
we had during the Apollo period. And he said it's already begun, which
was an interesting answer because he said, yes, it is already, that's
already happened. Then we get the news just today. I don't know if
you've seen this. I did see that actually the six the sign, Yeah,
that that Trump signed a space policy Directive just today that is reprioritizing NASA
to go to the Moon. They don't explain why, and nobody's really talking
about the why, but the why. Why are they refocusing on the Moon
instead of Mars like they previously had. It's because of what I just said.
This is the kind of the untold thing that for some reason nobody's picked
up on yet so much. Is that it's because of Russia and China.
We need to beat them so we can get the pick of the litter,
we can be the first one there before, and so we have a stake
in the game. So China and Russia don't get up there and get a
run willy nilly, because it really is the wild West. Once you get
up there, it's the wild West. But here's the other legal issue that
is that you just brought up, which is governance. And this is really
fascinating because there's two races going on here. There is a race to Mars
and then there's a race to the moon NASA And this is what people have
wrong. If NASA refocuses from Mars to the Moon, it's no big deal.
People are like, well, you know, we want to get to
the Mars. NASA does not have much of steak in the whole Mars thing.
NASA is planning, they say, to get to Mars. And we
asked, is NASA is still going to go to Mars in twenty thirty five?
Sure, but all NASA's planning on doing is orbiting Mars, and they're
not. They're so, you know, because their policies are guided by politics.
They don't have a real solid focus on getting to Mars. So that
twenty thirty five date I don't think is very realistic. The other thing is
who are the players when it comes to Mars private exactly the private space initiatives.
This is the thing though, If NASA focus is on going to the
moon, what's good for big This is huge for Bigelow because Bigelow is the
only player as far as I know or any of the people I talked to,
Bigelow is the only one that has been working towards a base on the
Moon. Which would also answer the question as to why Bigelow and NASA seem
to be so tight lately and that relationship only seems to be growing. Is
it seems that and this is my prediction, Bigelow is going to be the
guy. They're going to be like, okay, let's get when your habitats
up there asap. And Bigelow will have the first base on the Moon.
Now, because it's a government base, a US base, it'll be governed
by the United States, but private industry SpaceX. If SpaceX builds a base
on Mars, the US government will have no jurisdiction over that base. SpaceX
or the people up there can literally create their own government, their own form
of government, have their own representatives, and it could be that we'll have
an ambassador to let's say the Mars X Space Colony or something like that,
or THEX Mars Colony. So that is really fascinating, and I think that's
going to be a big deal because I don't think politicians are thinking about that
right now. They don't get it because at one stage they're going to be
like, hey, wait a minute, I want to have something to say
about what they're doing up there, and they're going to be like, tough,
you don't have any jurisdiction over us. Right. Yeah. As far
as laws go, currently, it basically is wherever you are from, that's
the law you have to abide. Again, how do you how do you
enforce something like that exactly? And you know, it's it's really tricky.
And one of the questions I had in this whole thing when I was researching
is and I can't find the answer to and I'd like to know if someone
else is researching into it, because there's all types of information online. Is
if you if you send an object up in space and it lands on the
moon, and you're on the moon and everything, Now, do you own
that object from the state saying the country of America? But what happens if
you personally own that object and you launch from another country? Does it is
it ruled or is it owned by the country that launches it. There's no
information about that that I can find. I mean, law is all about
enforcement. It's just like with the marijuana laws. You know, there's laws
in place for marijuana at the federal level. They currently choose not to enforce
those and so they don't get enforced. Same goes for like, you know,
traffic violations. We're all speeding all the time. They choose not to
strictly enforce those type of things as long as we're being safe. I mean,
it's all about enforcement. So in that instance, and That's what I
think it would come down to, is if I'm an American citizen in America,
then they can enforce laws against me. You know, they can say
we're gonna throw you in jail because you broke this law regarding space and the
moon. But if I was like let's say Julian Asunge or something, and
I sought refuge or diplomatic refuge in a different country tree, then they wouldn't
be able to enforce it, and I could do whatever I want. So
yeah, it's so complicated. It's going to be fascinating all of this and
how they figure it out. And I think we're going to have some interesting
things going on. I think that, you know, I don't see,
for instance, SpaceX or other organizations that build bases elsewhere being that compelled to
hold strictly to laws made by countries here on planet Earth. And there are
a lot of think tanks out there, or there are not a lot,
I shouldn't say that at all. There are think tanks out there that talk
about this sort of thing, and it all seems to be about how the
self governance these people are going to have to come up with their own government
and their own way to enforce their laws. Space really is interesting. Also,
I'd like to talk quickly about the I don't know how much time we
have, but the formats Okay, the Act of twenty fifteen that Obama signed
in, and the law explicitly allows US citizens to engage in the commercial exploration
and exploitation of space resources, including water and minerals. And I love this
part. The right does not extend to biological life, so if anything's alive,
it cannot be exploited commercially. So anyway, there was back in two
thousand. This all came about because back in twenty twelve the Planetary Planetary Resources
Ink was formed and that was actually you know, James Cameron had a part
to do with that in Innovator Ross Perot Junior. And so you know there's
a lot going on in space. Law is going to be about mineral resources
and extracting things from astids. Again, they can't have you know, they
can take an asteroid and they can land on the asteroid, but they can't
at this point actually own or you know, have any governing over the asteroid.
It's really great stuff. Yeah, really interesting. That makes me think,
what about this? So you know, on two thousand and one.
Right, we get to the Moon and we find that beacon. Yeah,
so what is the monolith? Yeah? The monolith? What if the ets
are waiting for the first Earthling government on another planet, and that's what they're
going to say hi to you, because then we'll I have shown we were
able to establish, you know, a calony, a government on another planet.
So the first words are what took you so long? Or maybe go
home? Yeah, et go home? How funny? Huh yeah? Interesting?
So yeah, just a couple of quick things. I know we're running
ahead of time. Is so if anyone's interested in looking into space law,
the University of Mississippi, they have a journal, was the oldest one published
all the way. It's been published since nineteen seventy three. You can find
out about that. There's also space, cyber and teleod Communications Law program that's
at the University of Nebraska. There's information online about that. And in the
Netherlands there is university I think it's at Leading and that's an international Institute in
Air and Space law. So that's all information you can find online. Really
interesting. Well, I better do my business, So that's essentially it for
the show. I better do my wrap up stuff here. Thank you so
much for to Martin for joining us on the show at the time. Flu
Oh my gosh. Yes. But of course Martin is on podcast UFO.
Be sure to check out his show and you can check it out live on
YouTube, which is super cool. And then you can actually see me and
what I look like. Yeah, and Martin, he's a good looking fella.
I don't know about that. Thanks with it, and you have this
cool green screen background that you do. The other thing I want to mention
though, is the UFO Congress. So we have a lot more speakers that
we've posted out. We're going to be posting a lot more in the next
week. We have some really exciting stuff up there, stuff that people haven't
seen before. We have a guy who just retired from NASA. You work
from NASA for thirty to fifty years something like that. His name is Alan
Holt. He's actually been involved with MUFAN for a long time and he's also
involved with some of my other friends working on the scientific end. But this
ought to be a really fascinating talk. He's going to talk about visitors being
here. I think he believes in that really cool stuff. So check out
ufocongress dot com and you'll find out lots of updates and cool stuff at ufocongress
dot com. But of course at open mindstat TV you'll find the news that
Martin and I talked about at the beginning of the show. Otherwise, I
want to thank Caleb Hanks. Some people ask about the music at the beginning
of the end of the show. That's done by Caleb Hank's awesome stuff.
You can find out more about that at open mindsat TV on the radio page.
And I also want to thank Systematics who made the bumper music. Had
some people ask about that. I don't know that he's making music anymore.
He was a listener that volunteered some of his music, which I am so
happy with. But thank you all for listening so much. Sorry, I
hadn't done a show for a while, but we'll be back on track until
the holidays at least. So until the next next time, Audio's mood chachose
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