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Hey, everybody, and welcome to
Life is a Gamble Episode thirteen. This

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is part two of my interview with
Joseph Mrhey and in part one we got

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through him getting from Syria to Florida
to Las Vegas and then he moved to

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Los Angeles to get into the film
business. So Joe, welcome back to

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life as a Gamble. Thank you, thank you. So yeah. We

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when last we left your story,
you had been successful in the pizza business

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in Las Vegas and decided a friend
told you about someone who was an editor,

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Is that right? And you decided
to go to Actually, he came

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to La looked me up, and
he came. I mean he came to

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Vegas. He came to Vegas.
He came to Vegas, looked me up.

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He just came for its Christmas time, and he came for a couple

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of days. And I remember he
was working with Sandy Howard. It's a

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producer who produced a movie called They
made two three of them. It was

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about a student by day hooker by
night. I can even see them.

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Oh yeah, yeah, I know
exactly which what you're talking about, but

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I can't think of the name of
it. Yep. And and so I

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said, oh my god, you're
working on the movie. Said yeah,

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well, okay, I want to
go back to Vegas. Yeah I was

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in Vegas. Anybody who would listen
to me, like you know, you

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were aware. Jerry Lewis came to
the acting school, you know, and

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he spoke, and you know,
I went to him and I said,

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yeah, mister Lewis, I want
to move to to LA and make movies.

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He said what he said, Yeah, I want to move to sh

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you know. Of course he looked
at me like I was an idiot,

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and he said, you can't do
that. You can cat And he said

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to me, you know, making
movies it requires a lot of talent,

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you know, Like if I was
I remember what he said. He said

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something totally ridiculous, but I couldn't
say anything to him. He was,

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I said, Jerry Lewis, He
said, if it was me and I

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go to to LA, if I
go on Universal Studio ride, by the

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time I get off the ride,
they will offer me a three picture deal.

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I said, oh wow, okay, And I wanted to say later

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on I thought about it, like
who's going to offer you the stupid three

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picture deal? The driver or the
guy who's saying, oh, this is

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what the film was. I mean, you know, full of himself.

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You know, it was a discouragement. So so when this guy came and

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said I worked on a picture,
you know, and Sadie Howard film and

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the editor, I said, oh, I gotta go tell me that's it.

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That's that's the decision making. And
I and I remember Joe Bernard,

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you know our teachers, you know, in Bathing school teacher. He discouraged

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me because he got a good thing
going. It's not easy to be,

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you know, to do in La
and so on. And I said,

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that's it. And I made a
deal with my brother that you know,

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I said, listen, just send
me fifteen hundred dollars a month or two

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thousand a month, and once I'm
make in La, you can have it

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all. You can have pizzeria,
you can have the house, you can

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have everything. So it's like burning
the ship behind you, you know.

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Yeah, you know. So I
went to La and you and I start

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hanging out and figuring out what we
want to do and write script and then

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I ended up making, you know, my first movie. So so this

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is one. This was a decision
where this one didn't work out. So

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well, right, so many of
your decisions really paid off. But the

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first movie you put together a bunch
of lost all the money I mean clus

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fishing, Yeah, thousand dollars and
I think I recouped twenty five dollars.

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That's it. Yeah, because he
made a comedy, right, and nobody

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wanted a comedy. He made a
comedy. And you know, you know

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my hero at the time with the
Allen and I thought, I can,

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I can make something like with the
l just it didn't work out. However,

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learning from this, you know,
when I take when I took the

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movie, the actual movie, and
went to calm Fellow Festival to me fit

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trying to sell it. One guy
said to me he was buying for England,

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England and Australia, I think,
And he said, I can't and

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sell this movie, but I love
movies. And when he watched Hollywood in

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Trouble with the comedy that you were
in, you know, you know,

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he said, you know what,
you can tell a story. I can

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see you directed it. You know
you have you have a good angle.

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You should make action movies. If
you make action movies, I'll buy every

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movie. And that's what could push
me into okay, let's put it into

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action movies. And when I found
Richard peppin you know and start, you

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know, because he he saw it
was the director of photography from my movie,

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the first movie, The Flow.
And I even put it in the

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theater, you know, I put
it in Salomonica theater. You know,

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I tried everything, you know I
wanted. I really believe that maybe,

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but anyway it came out of that
movie is you know, the second movie.

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But here's an interesting story. I
don't know if I told you about

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Brooks making mel Brooks No, oh, okay. When I had Hollywood in

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Trouble, it was shot on sixteen
millimeter. Then I listened to somebody else

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saying, well, if you blow
it up to thirty five millimeter, you

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know, you know, maybe people
will put it in a theater. So

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again I spend another fifteen twenty thousand
dollars to blow it up to thirty five

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on the meter, and now I
have it in the camp thirty five and

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back then months. If you call
any studio and say, well I have

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I've finished, I have a movie, people will say bring it in and

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let's take a look at the studio. It's not common for somebody to make

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a movie on their home. It's
very very hard. Right now you can

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make a movie on your iPhone.
Everybody makes them. Back then, it's

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very very so anyway, they said
that, I remember, so the Monday

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said, okay, bring the movie
in. We'll screen it and we'll see

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if we you know, if it's
any good, we'll distribute the movie.

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Now I'm thinking, my god,
so go Paramount Universal. Everybody agreed to

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look at the movie twenty a century
Fix. I'm going to twenty a century

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Fox eleven o'clock on a Monday for
them. And I have my can.

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I had my Foe cans with me
and I go, I drive and my

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name is a lot. It's open
looking at it. This is like going

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to heaven seeing a studio, going
to a studio, right. I go

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to see the guy and they take
me to their distribution, their office and

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where the screening rooms are. They
have like two three different screening room and

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all the posters on the wall,
you know, the Academy Award winning films,

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and the only person in the whole
hallway with just me sitting on a

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bench, and the screening room is
across from me with a red light and

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I'm just sitting there, and they
sent obviously, they didn't send the head

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of distribution. They send a secretary
and assistant see if this movie any good

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and call us if it's right.
So the movie is going twenty minutes into

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a thirty minutes into it, and
the door get pushed, you know,

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about sixty seventy feet away, boom, and mel Brooks walks by, and

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holy shit, this mel Brooks.
And he counts and he comes and he

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did stop in front of me and
the screening, and he goes and he

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goes to open the door and there's
a red light and he looked at me

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and he goes, who's in there? I said, forgot the guy's name?

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John? Or a job? He's
he's it's screening the movie. He

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goes, who's movie? I said, my movie? He goes more competition

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and he kept walking. Oh man, that's fantastic. Oh but okay,

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so now you make this movie.
You lost all your money, but you

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formed the company with Rick Pep and
you had a third partner, and Ron,

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the third partner was going to put
up the money to make the action

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movies. Right, But if you
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forward and made another movie I had. I had the plan to go to

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in the Syrian community. There's about
five thousand people, ten thousand people in

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La and start meeting different people that
they all own liquor stores and they all

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have caps. So I had a
plan this time, I'm not going to

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make one movie in Kisser, Oh. I want to have money for four

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movie. Each movie is fifty thousand
dollars, okay, So I wanted to

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raise two hundred and fifty thousand dollars, two hundred thousand dollars for the movies

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and fifty thousand dollars to run the
business, to have an office, and

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so on and so forth. Now
Rick Pepin, who is the director of

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photography on my first movie, who
owned the sixteen millimeters, he owns,

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you know, an editing system.
I thought he will make a perfect partner,

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right right when he comes to that. He was very caring. And

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when I was making the movie,
I thought, you can only work eight

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hours a day. So the first
day, after eight hours, I said,

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okay, we're done, because what
do you mean we're done? We're

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not done? You work twelve hours. And everybody else said, you know,

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from the crew, okay, thank
you, and they start to go,

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and he said, wait a minute, guys, don't go anywhere.

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You know, this guy doesn't know
anything about making movies. You know,

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we're supposed to work twelve hours.
So he you know, protected me.

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You know, he had my back
and I liked him immediately, and he

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kept kidding. The only one from
all the crew at the time, will

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cause, what's happening with the movie? Did you edit it? What are

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you going to do with it?
Would we even what are you going to

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sell it? Or we really went
to molan. Oh my god, you

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really want to be Oh my god, you already did this. And so

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he was very very interested, and
then he said, listen, if you

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make another movie, please hire.
So what he was working on the other

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side, he was working on his
own. He was shooting porn. You

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know you know that about yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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he was shooting porn. He was
making like one hundred and fifty dollars a

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day to day, which is a
lot of money back then. But also

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he was shooting training film. The
training film is for swimming doggles for product

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people are swaying a tennis racket for
a guy. His name is Ron Gilchrist,

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Roan Gilchrist he was the manufacturer in
Canada and in New York. Who

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has money? And then I met
Ron through Wreck, and I was already

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pitching two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. I wanted to raise, you know,

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for my you know for And then
I was willing to sell my house.

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I was willing to sell my land. I thought, it's a land

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in Las Vegas, Okay, to
raise the money. I was in the

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process of raising the money. So
Ron was convinced that with Greck that I

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can make a movie and we can
double our money. So he said,

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okay, I'll give you two hundred
and fifty thousand dollars. Let's god.

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So we split the company one third, one third, one third. I

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will not take any salaries where I
cannot live without a salary because he has

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kids, So he would take like
fifteen hundred dollars a month, and I

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will work for free. And that's
how the company started. Now, the

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second movie we made is Mayhem.
You know, Mayham Okay and another disaster.

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Okay. Mayhem was shot on sixteen
millimeter. We spend the fifty thousand

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dollars that Ron gave us to spend
on the movie, and we send it

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to photocam and the graveyard chef a
guy wasn't paying any attention, and they

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put a blue streak in the negative. I'm like, we shot about twenty

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I don't know if you remember.
I do now that you say that,

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now I remember that I had forgotten. Okay. So we have now half

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a movie with the clear, you
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the insurance will pay for it or
something that would lab. Now their insurance

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will sign anything goes wrong with the
negative, they will give you just the

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can of film another that's it.
So now we took the same movie and

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we we thought one day that we
went literally twenty eight hours in one day,

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twenty four hours plus another four okay, just to fix it whatever we

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could fix it. I directed it, and you know, and we took

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the movie and we sold it for
one hundred and seventy thousand dollars. Okay,

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So we thought we had the jack. Okay. And while I was

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in me fit by the way,
we were partners and we made all these

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movies with Recrek. Never went once
to your it never went once, never

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went with me. I'm the one
who would go, you know, to

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Europe the movie and later on we
hired George, but while I was there,

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they were asking me, what's our
second movie? You know, I

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put together the second movie. You
know, while we're there. If you

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have a strip, we'll give you, you know, give you, give

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you a deposit. So we start
thinking about second, the third to fourth

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movies, okay, and then we
start making movies for you know, fifty

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thousand dollars. We sell them for
one hundred and fifty, one hundred and

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eighty, one hundred and sixty Sunday. You know. So the first sixth

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movies we were you know, who
were making start to make money, but

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we didn't take any money. We
took you know, again, Rick was

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married, he as kids, he
has family, he had taken up one

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thousand and so on. But I
was working for free and everything was gone.

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So we made eight movies with this
guy, and it was it was

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very fast too. We were making
them like what about every six or eight

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weeks? Yes, yes, yes, yeah, you can remember it.

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I mean you you directed one whether
eight days to both days or something.

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Oh yeah, yeah, the first
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because we had to travel to Las
Vegas to shoot it, so you know,

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we could pick up the equipment on
a Friday, return it a week

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from Monday. Yeah, you used
to pick them up on Thursday, say

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we needed to you know, can
we pick it up on Thursday so you

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can have the whole the travel day, right, right, So we had

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from Thursday until a week from Monday. I think I think I had either

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eight or nine shooting days total.
The old movie it used to pay only

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three days of the equipment. We
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and so we shoot the whole movie
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So so after we did eight eight
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what, we want to jump to
the next level of movie making. You

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know. He hired a woman from
Paramount to come and be the you know,

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and then he got an office on
you know, Left the Value.

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You got an office on Sun Said
Boulevard. Now we're in the big time.

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And then he said, you know, I don't need these two idiots.

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What do I need them for?
I get somebody from Paramount. So

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he said to us, you know, we said no, you know,

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every time the woman we want to
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our hand is tied. And he
said, no, she's going to make

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a whole decision, and he said, you know, you know, then

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buy us out. I said,
buy us out. He said, I'll

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buy you. Yeah, I'll pay
one point six million for you guys,

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you know, eight hundred thousand dollars
each. We said, oh, fantastic.

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I just want to add that at
the beginning, this was the beginning of

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there being a video store on every
corner, and you guys were packaging the

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VHS tapes in the back of the
warehouse. You had a shrink wrap machine

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put it, packing them in boxes, and ups would come pick them up

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every day. I mean, it
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perfect, perfect, perfect time.
I mean was yeah perfect the video stores

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or they're buying anything. If if
you had packaged you and I this interview,

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you would ship maybe twenty thousand taps
well anything, you know. So

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we were lucky that we had that. So that's why this guy in ron

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Gilcrest, he thought, well,
I need these, you know, bosoms.

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I can do it on my own
and do much better, So he

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bought it. Were idiots, you
know. Rick said, I have this

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friend, you know, Shelley's friend, who is a lawyer. He ruined

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the contractor with the worst contact.
At the end of the day, he

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only one hundred thousand dollars, fifty
thousand for me, fifty thousand for Wreck,

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okay, and he took all the
library. He took him to Spain.

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He put him in a different LLC, and he told us threw off.

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So that's it. We didn't get
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We got one hundred thousands. Okay. Wow. Now Wreck on his own.

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I'm on my own. I'm trying
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to do. I certainly want to
make another movie. I was extremely broken

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and disappointed that this guy did this
to us. Went to a lawyer,

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look at the un I said,
he can't do anything with this guy.

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Takes years and so on. So
maybe three four months, life, months

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went by, whatever, and I
called I called WREC. I said,

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direct what are you doing? He
goes, nothing, Man, I'm looking

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for jobs, going shooting porn again, you know, and and whatever he

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was doing to make a living.
He asked he has kids, and he

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said he's a good editor, it's
a good director of photography, so he

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can always get a job. Me
am only directed producer, trying know what,

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that's going to give me a job. So I said, do you

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have any money left? Because I
have like twenty thousand dollars left. I

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said, I have like thirty thousand
and thirty five thousand dollars. Why don't

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we put our money together and make
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that when we made LA eight.
So that was the first PM movie.

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Was LA eight, FIRSTDM movie,
he and I and the reason it's called

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PM temporarily we will start thinking about
the name and said, they's just put

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it in an our initial initial for
now Pep and Mary whatever and then and

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they never, you know, it
never changed. So that movie, I

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took it to Europe and sold it
for one hundred and eighty thousand dollars,

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okay, and we made it for
fifty to fifty five thousand dollars. So

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right away you start making another one, another one, another one, and

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yeah, an amazing, an amazing
run. And from there you just built

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the built the business up. You
eventually started making bigger movies. I remember

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the first the first time, you
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millimeter instead of sixteen, and the
first sag movie and Bray the Bronx in

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the first Yeah, and the first
time we used Sag the Union that was

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a big teal too. And Eric
a Strata was in that movie Night of

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the Wilding. Yes, we actually
we signed up for three movies. Yeah,

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yeah, And then we started getting
a little bit bigger actor, a

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little bit bigger actor. You know. I remember when just recently he called

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me there doing a documentary on Wingshauser. You know, is he still alive?

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Yeah, still alive doing a documentary. So we started going up and

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upped it up, and then we
hired a guy named you know, George

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Me. Yeah, And George was
ahead of sales, and it was the

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pros and cons of George. George
didn't give it down, movies, didn't

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give it down as long as it's
action action action, action, action actions.

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And then then for me, I
start really going back to my roots

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of the very first time why I
wanted to make a movie and with the

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Allen's movies and really wanted to make
good movies. But by now we have

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I don't know you were there,
and we have one hundred people working for

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us. We have you know,
a lot of real estate to cover and

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a lot of expenses. So we
were making movies. We just we had

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to make movies to keep the door
open. That's why we ended up making

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over one hundred movies. But I
really wanted to make it. I used

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to go to the theater and watch
you know, good movies and say,

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my god, we can make something. You know, I was striving to

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do. But I never had the
guts, you know again, to to

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say no enough. But we were
We were satisfied because we were making the

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best action movies independent movies can be. You know, nobody made action movies.

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It was amazing. Yeah, I
was proud of that fact. The

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proud I was proud that we can
bring in Roy Scheider, we can bring

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in you know, Michael Maths,
and we can bring in you know,

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some good actors that were you know. But but I really eat down in

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my heart and soul. I really
wanted to make And when we saw our

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company again, when we sold the
company, we didn't learn from the first

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time. We get screwed. Oh
again, Wow, it's screwed again.

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And you know, people thought we
made tons of money. We didn't make

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a lot. And maybe three million
dollars for May after I paid my TAXI

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I got five or something you know, so it wasn't a lot of money.

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We sold it for twenty seven million
dollars, but we owed on our

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line of credits ten twelve million dollars
we had spent with different people. So

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anyway, and that was at the
crossroad, is what do you want to

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do next? You know? But
yeah, but during when we were making

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the movies, we had years where
we you know, split a couple of

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million dollars. At the end of
the year, we get some million,

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I get a million or a million, five two million, So we had

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we made some money back then.
But but you know, I think our

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company we sold it, I think
it was worth like fifty million dollars with

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the library or even more. But
we didn't. Again, we weren't sophisticated

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enough to know and and the mistakes
looking back, Breck and I may we

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really weren't as to to what the
markets were. First of all, okay,

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month, I never thought we're doing
anything special. I thought any idiot

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can do this what we're doing.
Yeah, I always thought, what are

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we doing? We're blowing up cars
and you know, or nothing special that

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we're making movies and to finish movies
and you you know, to make the

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move. It's it's an incredible you
know task, but we minimized it because

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we had it such so well,
you know, you wor't there A lot

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of people told folk, you know, you know that all the editing,

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everything came together so seamlessly that for
us it was so easy. But when

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you go, you know, when
I start working for Water Brothers, you

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know, shoot Warner Brothers movies,
you know, fifty million dollars movies,

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I'm thinking, oh my god,
these people don't know shit. They don't

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know afer vote, you know,
yeah, yeah, and they waste so

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much money. Funny, there was
so much money, and we were so

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efficient and so but we did not
take the time to say, you know

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what, it's find an incredible script. You know, let's really take the

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chance. We don't have to blow
up fifty cards to sell the MOVI.

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Can we just look four and make
it. We did not that, and

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I guess I didn't see if it
forced from the trees. And when we

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sold the company, I was completely
completely burnt out. I was fine,

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I can understand that, yeah,
but you know, I want to ask

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about one other things. You decided
to get into television, and the normal

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way is you get a deal with
somebody to make a television show. But

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you didn't. You decided we're just
gonna shoot I don't know, thirteen twenty

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two episodes and then try to sell. Yeah. Yeah, we weren't,

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you know, smart enough to hire
an incredible lawyer entertainment the leaders. We

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weren't smart enough to really go to
c A. And I mean we were

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outside that we're in the valley.
We were like of these two idiots making

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movies. I mean, I remember
that is hiring Denis Hartwark from cease.

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Who are you? You know,
why are you making an offer to ca

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You know? Who are you?
You know? Wow? One hundred and

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fifty thousand dollars a week for Dennis
hard work? And then we hire them

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for I think it's called rood and
I think we hired them for two three

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hundred thousand. And I remember sitting
at CAA and it's intimidating, you know,

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you know, to c A.
And the guy said, okay,

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here's the contract, you know,
and I said what is this? And

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it's like thirty pages and I said, listen, I hire them for two

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weeks. What do I need to
contract? Can just gave me a deal?

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Now? A he goes, no, this is the way you want

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to do. So I took my
check book. I wrote check for one

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hundred and fifty thousand dollars. I
said, here's a check for his first

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week. And I gave him a
check the next week for one hundred and

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fifty thousand. He said, what
if you don't give it to him?

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I said, well, tell him
not to show up. If I don't

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give it to them, just give
me one page contract. And yeah,

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he said, this is good.
He said, this check is good.

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I said that's good. And then
then they realized, okay, we have

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money, you know. Yeah,
we can pay actors, We can pay

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people, you know. And he
said, how come I never heard of

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you. I said, well,
the Tell Bank of America appears of me.

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He sees me every day, department
money. So let's keep wanting.

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You want to know he clined to
get paid. He's going to get paid.

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So we weren't wreck. Never went
to I don't blame k but putting

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them down by any means I love
her. We never had a single argument,

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but we've never had that. Did
not wrote anybody nothing. We never

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you know, we went we shot
we did you know? It was no

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Hollywood, you know, yeah,
yeah, schmoozing smoothy, you know nothing.

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You know, we just made our
movies, you see. You know

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Thomas Howell and we sign him for
four pictures, five pictures, you see,

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Michael Madsen, you sign him whoever? Gary Daniel on the Dragon you

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brought down. I think you brought
down the Dragon. Yeah I didn't.

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I didn't bring him. I you
I did the movies with you. I

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did the first three movies with Don
the Dragon, and yeah, yeah it

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was. I mean we like somebody, we thought we can make money with

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it, we can sell them.
We sign him for two, three pictures,

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four pictures and that's it. You
know, you kept you know Robert

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Patrick from Terminator, you know,
we brought up for three pictures, you

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know, you know we Yeah,
we went it like like a mon PLoP,

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you know. Shop. Really it
was nothing informal about you know,

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you know us, our company,
anybody that can walk in any time see

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me, see right? Whatever was
formal. Yeah. Well. The other

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thing that I tell people about that
was so special about PM was, uh,

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you could go work at PM and
learn any job that you wanted.

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If you wanted to become a producer, if you wanted to become a director,

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If you wanted to become a director
of photography, you could start as

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a PA and many people moved up
within a year or two two to those

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jobs. You know John Kelly,
you know he's one of the biggest producers

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now, yeah, yeah, yeah. John Kelly came to me. He

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said, you know what a I
said, what are you doing now?

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I'm an accountant? I said,
okay, I said, you know you

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worked as one year as an accountant, you learn all there is to learn

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about how much we pay for equipment, how much we pay for wordrobe,

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how much we do and then one
year from now you've start producing. And

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a year later, you know,
I see him, he said, good

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morning. He has his biggest violence
face and has a jacket. Ope.

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I said, what's going on?
He goes, I've been here a year.

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Today I'm a producer. You promise, okay? So he start producing.

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Yeah. You know, there was
a kid and I don't remember his

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name, but he he was Arabic
of some sort, and he was a

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PA, and within two or three
movies he was an associate producer. You

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know. So yeah, and as
I say, every department there is there

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were people who did that. Who
went from you know, the guy changing

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the camera roles in the dark room
to a director of photography within you know,

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a very very short time, and
that that was there was nowhere else

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to do that. Maybe at Corman, you had that opportunity at Corman,

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but yeah, it was uh Mia. Michael was half deaf. He couldn't

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hear it. Yeah, man,
I loved that guy. I love that

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guy. And I remember on one
of the very first movies, UH Minnie,

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00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:44,519
who you remember was both the uh
the assistant director and the script supervisor,

414
00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:48,799
and we were standing there talking with
Mike Hall, and Minnie was saying,

415
00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:52,960
I have no idea what I'm doing, Like, I don't know what

416
00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:57,279
an assistant director does or a script
supervisor does. And Mike Hall said to

417
00:31:57,319 --> 00:32:00,000
me, and I will never forget
this, he said, in the movie

418
00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:07,559
business, you are who you say
you are until you prove otherwise. So

419
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,279
none of these people know, they
don't know that you know what you're doing,

420
00:32:10,759 --> 00:32:15,759
so you know, but anyway,
yeah, he was such a great

421
00:32:15,759 --> 00:32:21,920
guy. But anyway, so now
you sell the company and you're completely burned

422
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,519
out. I'm movie making, so
you said, that's it. I'm done

423
00:32:25,559 --> 00:32:30,640
with movies. What's my next chapter? I said, yes, that was

424
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:35,480
exactly twenty four years ago, twenty
five years ago. But my son,

425
00:32:35,519 --> 00:32:38,000
Wow, has it been that long? Wow? I didn't realize that.

426
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:43,240
Yeah, I walked away when my
son was one day, two days old.

427
00:32:43,319 --> 00:32:45,920
It's twenty four now, so I
know it's twenty four years twenty five

428
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:55,759
years old, and I was completely
out. I had invested some money in

429
00:32:55,839 --> 00:33:00,400
Vegas with my brother, so I
had some in coming to me, you

430
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,960
know, and I decided I don't
want to do anything. I really don't

431
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,920
want to do it. For the
first time, I thought, you know,

432
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,000
I don't want to do it,
and then, you know, within

433
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:15,079
six months, I was at the
gas station and one of the guys who

434
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:21,400
was working for us at PM,
he was filling his car with gas and

435
00:33:21,759 --> 00:33:22,640
I said, what are you doing? And he said, well, I'm

436
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:28,400
working on this movie with Eli Samaha. You heard of him, this guy?

437
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,680
Oh, of course, yeah.
They have franchised pictures. They're doing

438
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:36,880
the sequel to Harry. When Harry
met Sally, I said, oh my

439
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,359
god, that's my old time favorite
movie. I said down, I said,

440
00:33:40,359 --> 00:33:44,720
do you think he can get me
a meeting with with Eally? Tell

441
00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:47,279
them about me. He knows about
me anyway, and he said yeah,

442
00:33:47,319 --> 00:33:50,359
So he called me. Heally called
me. He said what's up, and

443
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,480
I said, you know, I
said, you know, you know,

444
00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:54,720
this is my favorite. I'd love
to work on the Sloop, you know.

445
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,440
He said, come on down.
So I went in. I met

446
00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:07,880
Rob Reiner, Metrob Ryder, and
they were in the process of getting the

447
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:13,760
rights. And I love this movie
so much that I said, they're saying

448
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:20,079
they're paying one million dollars for the
script, and so I ended up attaching

449
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:22,280
myself to the movie. He said
to me, you know, he was

450
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,920
away what I did obviously that I
was, you know, I started reading

451
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:30,119
script and I started giving some notes
on the production of it. And the

452
00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:37,000
movie was twenty seven million dollars or
twenty eight million dollars, and they had

453
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:44,280
Reece Witherspoon attached and Robert Dally Jr. And that's the time, if you

454
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,239
remember, Robert Denly Junior was found
in the back of an alley in the

455
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:52,880
dumpster, you know, and all
of a sudden, you know, the

456
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:57,079
insurance company they want two million dollars
just to ensure them in that movie.

457
00:34:57,519 --> 00:35:04,199
That is my very very first step
into the world of you know, studio

458
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:12,360
pictures, you know, so so
I said this, So they they fired

459
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:17,920
him, and they brought in I
forgot the guy's name now, and they

460
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,119
so real. Weatherston said up,
you know, I'll only want to work

461
00:35:23,159 --> 00:35:28,360
with him. So she dropped out. They got Kate Hudson, they got

462
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:34,360
somebody else, and they changed the
name into and I forgot the name of

463
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:38,840
the movie. So it was no
longer a sequel to when Harry Met,

464
00:35:39,639 --> 00:35:44,119
no longer a sequel. They did
it, and then we were ready to

465
00:35:44,159 --> 00:35:50,360
go to to Toronto to shoot it
because they wanted to. They want to

466
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,360
get six million dollars in text for
it. You know, they give you

467
00:35:52,519 --> 00:35:58,360
six to me. So I took
this thread and broke it down and really

468
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,800
worked on it for three four days, and I figured, I went.

469
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:05,199
I had a meeting with Rob Ryanner
and everybody else, and I said,

470
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,000
guys, we don't have to go
to Toronto. We can do it right

471
00:36:08,039 --> 00:36:12,760
here. The movie takes place in
Boston. Alex and Emma. That's the

472
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:17,400
name Alex m Okay. I said, we can shoot it. Rob was

473
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:23,719
trying to run for a governor against
our own fortunator. He was taking his

474
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:28,760
political meetings. He was running for
a governor for the state of California,

475
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,079
so the last thing he wanted to
do was make a movie. A make

476
00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:34,320
a movie, but he was committed
to do it, and he's going to

477
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:38,039
do it and BI go anywhere else. So he was like, and his

478
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:44,000
crew said, please, if you
can make it here for the same amount

479
00:36:44,039 --> 00:36:45,880
of money, we have the money
here. I don't want to go anywhere.

480
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,440
I said, we can make it
here. I guarantee you we can,

481
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,519
but you have to listen to me. So it said, okay,

482
00:36:52,119 --> 00:36:55,239
and we made the movie here.
I brought it them for like twenty two

483
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:59,760
million, twenty three million. We
have three million dollars. This step even

484
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,000
to go to the boss on a
reshoot, you know. And anyway,

485
00:37:04,039 --> 00:37:08,639
the movie didn't test well, but
that I came out like this is the

486
00:37:08,679 --> 00:37:13,239
guy to go to to make a
movie, you know, to produce him.

487
00:37:14,039 --> 00:37:17,960
He started started doing other movies,
you know, and they were paying

488
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:25,079
me thirty five thousand dollars a week. How much fifty five thirty five thirty

489
00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:30,559
five thousand a week. Wow,
thirty five thousand dollars a week. And

490
00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:35,000
it was absolutely nothing when you think
of it. Let's say ten weeks is

491
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:42,760
three fifty twenty weeks, seven hundred
thousand. My next task was fifty million

492
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:47,079
dollars fifty five million dollars movie the
whole ten yards, and they want to

493
00:37:47,079 --> 00:37:51,760
cut five or seven million dollars out
of it, so to pay me seven

494
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,559
hundred, I cut ten million dollars
out of it. Yeah you know.

495
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,639
So yeah, yeah, it's you
know, when you think about it,

496
00:37:58,639 --> 00:38:04,079
it's not truly so. Uh yeah. So I worked with franchise with Eli

497
00:38:04,199 --> 00:38:09,800
for on three, four, five
six movies, orever a Moth and and

498
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:15,039
then I came into real estate.
Yeah. But now, uh so,

499
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:22,719
now you have the craziest idea and
the biggest gamble I think since you moved

500
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:28,159
to America that you're talking about doing
next, which is you want to go

501
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:34,559
into stand up comedy. I well, that's funny. When when when I

502
00:38:34,599 --> 00:38:42,280
was making movies, uh, Rodney
Dangerfield, Dick Van Patten introduced me to

503
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,960
Rodney Dangerfield. Now before that,
here's here's a fun story. Dick van

504
00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:51,199
Patten. We hired them at PM
as a voiceover, okay, on a

505
00:38:51,199 --> 00:38:54,760
couple of things, and so we
became friendly. He invited me to dinner

506
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:59,239
at his house. He said you
play tennis. I started playing tennis with

507
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:05,039
ham and right Ronnie Jacob and one
day he calls me. He goes,

508
00:39:05,559 --> 00:39:09,239
He goes, can you play tennis
tomorrow? And I said, okay,

509
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,039
you know, he said, come
to my house at ten o'clock. I

510
00:39:13,079 --> 00:39:16,519
go to his house at ten o'clock
in the valley. They own him and

511
00:39:16,599 --> 00:39:21,440
his son. They owned three houses
in a row and they have two tennis

512
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:25,719
courts, one clay and one regular
tennis court. And I walked in and

513
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,440
he goes, you know, meet
mel Brooks. He's going to be your

514
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:34,400
partner. And and Bankroft and Dick
Van Patten was on the other side.

515
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,320
So me, mel Brooks, now
our partner's playing tennis. And we played

516
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:43,400
several weeks after that, every day, every day, weekend we play.

517
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,800
And I was so dying to tell
him that I met him, you know,

518
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:52,840
twenty century box and he goes here
you know, so so, but

519
00:39:52,039 --> 00:40:01,679
I didn't. But one week we
were playing tennis with Melbo Brooks and and

520
00:40:01,679 --> 00:40:07,199
and a guy named Casey King.
Casey King is a nephew of Dick Van

521
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:15,159
Patton and Anne Bancroft just had a
movie out called With with Robert de Niro

522
00:40:15,199 --> 00:40:22,679
called. Anyway, so we're playing
tennis. We finished three games and we're

523
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,159
you know, we went to get
some water. Ann Bancroft, who's bathing

524
00:40:25,199 --> 00:40:31,000
in the sun, and me and
Casey against mel Brooks and Dick Van Patten

525
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:37,280
and uh and Dick said, I
mean mill Brooks said to us a Great

526
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:45,360
Expectation. The movie's name of the
crypt called Great Expectation with Ann Bancroft and

527
00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:50,079
and Robert there. He goes,
you know, Anne sitting in the you

528
00:40:50,119 --> 00:40:52,320
know, and she's bathing. Tell
her about the movie. It just opened

529
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,679
Friday, and then now it's Saturday. Tell her about the movie. Tell

530
00:40:55,719 --> 00:41:00,079
her how well she did in the
movie. And we well didn't say anything.

531
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:06,840
So we walked by, and Casey
walked by, Uh bye and Bancroft

532
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,719
and he goes, hey, great
job with the movie. And we played

533
00:41:12,039 --> 00:41:15,519
three, said three games. We
went back to get some water, and

534
00:41:15,639 --> 00:41:19,800
mel Brooks grabbed Casey literally grabbed him
by the show. He said, what

535
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:24,920
are you a fucking idiot? You
don't tell the megastar like you know and

536
00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:29,119
kind great movie. Tell her how
well she did with Robert dinner. Talk

537
00:41:29,159 --> 00:41:30,559
a lot about the scene, Tell
her about the essence of the scene.

538
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:35,320
Tell her what moved you in the
scene in case He said, I didn't

539
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:44,079
see the fucking movie. He goes, what about you? I said,

540
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:52,679
I didn't see the movie fucking boozers. So we went back, we played,

541
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,800
we played tell us and we didn't
say anything. It was really pissed

542
00:41:55,800 --> 00:42:00,960
off. He loved her to death. People loved it and uh still their

543
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:07,800
confidence all the time, and so
so Casey odd and dies a couple of

544
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:14,599
years later, and they had he
was only fifty two years old, and

545
00:42:14,679 --> 00:42:20,639
they had a memorial for him at
Dick Van patt In backyard. It was

546
00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:24,639
like one hundred and fifty two hundred
people and and everybody was going up and

547
00:42:24,679 --> 00:42:30,000
telling stories about you know, Casey
and Dick van Patten. He left so

548
00:42:30,119 --> 00:42:34,280
hard when he told him he didn't
see the movie, you know, and

549
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,360
he said, Joseph, get up
and sit tell the movie, to tell

550
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:42,480
the story about about about Mill Brooks. I said, oh, I said,

551
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,960
get up, you know, I
said, okay, So I got

552
00:42:45,039 --> 00:42:49,840
up, and you know, and
I'm saying the story but you know,

553
00:42:50,199 --> 00:42:53,880
you know, we're playing. We
went for water and just about to tell

554
00:42:53,960 --> 00:43:02,679
him about what mil told us.
Mill walks in. He watched walk in

555
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:07,320
and then against it, and he
was looking at me, and I did

556
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:14,119
not finish the story. I just
I just said down, that's the mel

557
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:19,480
Brooks story. That's the second mel
Brooks story. We're playing tennis and he

558
00:43:19,559 --> 00:43:23,039
started training and he was collected.
He was trying to get enough money to

559
00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:27,679
make the producer to play the producer, and he was asking for He asked

560
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,199
me for fifty thousand dollars. He
asked it for fifty thousand dollars to invest

561
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:34,960
in the play. He was asking
like twenty of his friends did here to

562
00:43:35,039 --> 00:43:38,599
get but the first few. I
think the play costs eleven million dollars.

563
00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:45,559
And anyway, he started training and
there was a clubhouse and Brookes and mel

564
00:43:45,679 --> 00:43:52,079
Brooks sat down and told us the
story about the producer. He knew all

565
00:43:52,119 --> 00:43:55,360
the songs, he knew every line, he was doing the accent he was

566
00:43:55,360 --> 00:44:00,519
saying the song. He was the
most MEMORIZI memor zion what's the word memorizing?

567
00:44:01,559 --> 00:44:07,360
Uh, one hour that ever ever
witnessed. The rain is is training

568
00:44:08,159 --> 00:44:14,920
and we're in this clubhouse and he's
pitching display and he knew every every single

569
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:20,119
line in that But we didn't the
reason we didn't invest in it because he

570
00:44:20,159 --> 00:44:22,960
flew to Hawaii with his partner and
his writing partner. He was fifty five

571
00:44:23,039 --> 00:44:28,920
years old, and the guy died
and and had a heart attack his partner

572
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,159
and died. So Middlebrooks came back. Dick Van Patten. He was a

573
00:44:32,199 --> 00:44:37,559
gambler, he degenerate gambler himself.
He felt that this is a bad luck.

574
00:44:37,639 --> 00:44:40,679
There's no way we're investing in that. Of course, the favorite,

575
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:47,559
the biggest floodbuster. But you were
gonna you were gonna say something about Rodney

576
00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:52,800
Dangerfield. And then the standout introduced
me to Rodney Dangerfield. And I did

577
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:58,559
two movies with Rodney Dangerfield. So
Rodney calls me and he said, you

578
00:44:58,559 --> 00:45:01,639
know, I want to test my
material. Let's go to the Laugh Factory.

579
00:45:02,039 --> 00:45:06,400
So he takes me there and he'll
put his recorder around and he started

580
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,559
doing his apps. So I watched
him develop like one hour of material over

581
00:45:10,599 --> 00:45:15,400
and I became one of his really
good friends, over and over and over,

582
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:21,119
and so I fell in love with
the idea of the laugh Factory,

583
00:45:21,199 --> 00:45:23,679
which is now my own. I'm
a partner and three laugh factories who are

584
00:45:23,679 --> 00:45:29,679
opening three more lab factories that's my
second career, and my partner Jamie Mosad

585
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:36,639
at the founder. He thinks I'm
really funny. I have impeccable timing because

586
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,719
he did my seventieth birthday two weeks
three weeks ago. We had one hundred

587
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:45,039
and forty people. He introduced me
and I went on the stage and I

588
00:45:45,039 --> 00:45:47,519
did like ten minutes of just talking
like I'm parking to you right now,

589
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,480
but I had some jokes. I
told some jokes and he said, you

590
00:45:52,519 --> 00:45:54,280
know, you're Shue, and I
want you to do it. And as

591
00:45:54,320 --> 00:46:00,079
of this morning, I am going
to be the host of open mic for

592
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:05,079
him every Tuesday. That's when the
amateurs come in and they test their material

593
00:46:05,159 --> 00:46:08,159
and I give him some feedbacks and
he gives me the authority to hire them

594
00:46:08,159 --> 00:46:13,000
if they're good. So he really
wants me to get into it. And

595
00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:16,599
you're going to be doing this at
the Lab Factory in Hollywood. So anybody

596
00:46:16,599 --> 00:46:22,000
who's listening when I come to open
my you know, come, you know,

597
00:46:22,119 --> 00:46:27,159
and Tuesdays, Tuesdays at five o'clock, we start usually anywhere from ten

598
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:31,920
to fifty sixteen hundred people will show
up, you know, and and do

599
00:46:32,159 --> 00:46:35,800
you know, we take the first
ten to fifteen people, but I usually

600
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,320
feel so bad for people who came
and stood in line. I bring everybody,

601
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:43,880
and you know I stayed with that. Everybody does. There's set two

602
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,400
minutes everybody has to do too.
So yeah, I'm excited about maybe writing

603
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:53,119
something for ten, fifteen, twenty
minutes that I stand happen and who knows.

604
00:46:53,400 --> 00:47:00,360
You know, that's it's another one. Quite a risky, risky thing.

605
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,119
You know, a lot of people
are so afraid to get up on

606
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:07,480
stage and talk in front of people. You know, Rodney Dangerfield told me

607
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,599
it's just you and the monke.
That's it. No band, there's no

608
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:15,760
writers and writers, just you in
the back. And these people make him

609
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,280
up. And Rodney with such a
master you know, I mean, you

610
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,400
take one joke, Rodney, I
mean, you take one one. You

611
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:27,840
know, he built his entire career
of him being ugly. You know,

612
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,400
his wife can't cook, and his
family get no respect and you get no

613
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:37,480
respect. You know, I mean, listen to one line, this jokey

614
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,480
six year old and Rodney, you
know, when he was six years old,

615
00:47:40,199 --> 00:47:45,000
he asked his dad to take him
to the zoo and he said dad,

616
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:49,719
he told him son, when they
want you to come and get you,

617
00:47:54,039 --> 00:47:57,679
son, when they want you to
come and get you. It's it's

618
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:01,840
it's it's just like he told me. He built his whole career up jokes.

619
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,679
Yeah, when he was born,
he was so ugly, you know,

620
00:48:06,119 --> 00:48:08,159
the doctor took one look at him
and he slapped his mother. You

621
00:48:08,199 --> 00:48:16,000
know, So it is I gotta, I gotta tell you a story about

622
00:48:16,119 --> 00:48:21,960
Rodney and Eddie Murphy. Did you
ever hear the story? No? Okay,

623
00:48:22,639 --> 00:48:25,159
okay. Eddie Murphy is eighteen years
old, right, eighteen years old.

624
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:30,239
It's going for the first time on
stage, the live fact. And

625
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:37,079
when Annie Stars walks in, they
bump all the comedians out. They starts

626
00:48:37,079 --> 00:48:40,599
soon as they arrived, you know, Robin William, you know, anybody

627
00:48:40,599 --> 00:48:45,119
who comes in, you know,
they go first. So just about Eddie

628
00:48:45,159 --> 00:48:49,480
Murphy is going on the stage,
Rodney walks in and they told them get

629
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,440
it, you know, just get
out of the way. Let's let's rib

630
00:48:51,519 --> 00:48:54,199
me go and do his set.
And Eddie was, you know, loved

631
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:58,239
Rodney. Daniel Field knew who he
was, of course, and he goes

632
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,039
mister and he said, you know, I was just about to go,

633
00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:01,480
and you're gonna go and do your
set, and he said, you know,

634
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:06,039
please, when you get off the
stage, can you stay for five

635
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:08,519
ten minutes and watch by set and
give me some pointers. I'm starting out.

636
00:49:08,519 --> 00:49:12,159
This is my first style on the
stage. And right, he said,

637
00:49:12,159 --> 00:49:15,320
don't worry about the kid, you
know. So Eddie, you know,

638
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:19,159
Ryney comes off. Eddie Murphy goes
on and he does his ten minutes

639
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,239
and he runs right back to his
hero. What did I do? How

640
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,119
did I do? Rhymie? He
goes, what the fuck is wrong with

641
00:49:24,159 --> 00:49:28,719
you? Every other word is fuck
this fuck that. He said, go

642
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:30,760
go join the navy, join the
army, get some other fucking job.

643
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:37,079
You never make it in this business
skit, you know. So that's time

644
00:49:37,159 --> 00:49:42,360
we left, you know for Eddie
Murphy, Right, okay, Eddie.

645
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,280
The next year he gets Saturday Night
Live. Two years after that he gets

646
00:49:45,639 --> 00:49:49,960
you know, Beverly Hills Cop.
He is the biggest star on the plan,

647
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,280
right, yeah, and now there's
a big benefit at the Beverly Hills

648
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:59,119
Hotel. Who's in there is why
the danger field Eddie Murphield. They don't

649
00:49:59,159 --> 00:50:02,880
look at each other. Edie Murphy
goes to the bathroom, He goes to

650
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:07,239
the stall and next time as well. They take danger field is taken a

651
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,960
pass right, and Ronnie didn't say
anything, and he looks, you see

652
00:50:10,039 --> 00:50:14,639
Edie Murphy. Ed Murphy looks at
him the same thing. Finally he fast

653
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:16,639
one of the face. He said, experis and he said, okay,

654
00:50:16,679 --> 00:50:25,079
man, who knew? All right, who knew? That's all he said.

655
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:30,239
And he told me Edine Murphy was
so kind to him. He hunted

656
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:34,079
them. He always give him all
the respects in the world. And whatever

657
00:50:34,159 --> 00:50:39,440
he sees them, he always threat
and running really nice. Yeah, so

658
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:44,599
you know what I thought, what's
the worst thing he's gonna get rid of

659
00:50:44,679 --> 00:50:47,920
the stage? You know, you
know I worried about I worried about my

660
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,280
accent. I wish he felt really
flowing, like very very flooring, because

661
00:50:52,679 --> 00:50:58,800
Tom is he is worrying, right. Yeah, but you know, all

662
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,360
the time that we went together,
the you know, when I look back

663
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:06,719
at it, I always remember we
were laughing. Yeah, we were always

664
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:14,880
laughing, mostly because I was the
funny one. But but but yeah,

665
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:16,760
anyway, you know what, you'll
have a good time, right, It'll

666
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:22,760
be fun and and and it's always
fun to try something new, do something

667
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:27,000
new. Yeah, that's that's something
I really want to do, I really

668
00:51:27,039 --> 00:51:29,719
want to do, and I tried. I got all these things I tried

669
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,519
to write, like Okay, when
I went up on the stage, the

670
00:51:32,639 --> 00:51:36,360
very first joke, I will remember
it forever, I said, I look,

671
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,880
dais sitting right in front of me
and my wife. Do you know

672
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,639
the story? I asked her to
marry me three days, four days after

673
00:51:42,679 --> 00:51:45,400
I met her. You know,
so, I said, I said,

674
00:51:45,679 --> 00:51:51,400
another big risk, I said,
you know, I said, you know,

675
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:55,639
I never really thank you. Thank
you for saying yesterday, after three

676
00:51:55,719 --> 00:52:00,679
days, literally after three days,
you said, yesterday, who asked you

677
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:02,480
to marry him? I really want
to thank you because I had asked when

678
00:52:02,519 --> 00:52:12,280
you hit fucking women and they all
said no, thank you for the green

679
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:20,840
card. But well, listen,
I want to thank you. I've taken

680
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:22,960
up an awful lot of your time
today, so I want to thank you

681
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:27,679
for this. But the two things
that stand out to me in your story,

682
00:52:28,559 --> 00:52:34,719
your life story, are number one, how people can have such an

683
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:40,239
effect on your life. You know, some person can do the smallest things

684
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:46,000
and completely change the direction of your
life. And the other thing is that,

685
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:51,480
no matter how big the risk was, you just pushed forward. It

686
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:57,000
seemed like you were fearless, that
you no matter what, you just kept

687
00:52:57,039 --> 00:53:00,920
putting one foot in front of the
other and given a shot. Well,

688
00:53:01,079 --> 00:53:06,119
I agree one hundred percent, and
I want to leave with these thoughts that

689
00:53:07,039 --> 00:53:12,360
first of all, I chose the
country or the country shows me to come

690
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:19,800
to America, and the American people
I've found extremely extremely generous and extremely nis

691
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:23,480
so. And then and literally they
get the short end of the stick in

692
00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:28,159
terms of they live in great,
great, great country and they have all

693
00:53:28,199 --> 00:53:31,639
the resources in the world for them. The foreigners see it, but the

694
00:53:31,679 --> 00:53:37,360
American people, unfortunately don't see it. So if you're listening to this and

695
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,679
you need some help, you know, just seek it. You know,

696
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:45,360
all this money you know the government
has, you can look for that money.

697
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,320
You can look for a loan,
you can look for somebody to help

698
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:51,199
you. You know, you can
look for you know, if you're sick,

699
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:55,239
there are people. There's American people
are so generous with their time and

700
00:53:55,280 --> 00:54:00,639
efforts that they will help you.
There definitely, I found they will help.

701
00:54:00,679 --> 00:54:01,880
If you seek it, you will
you know, you will find it.

702
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:07,880
And in terms of taking risks,
especially when you're young or middle age

703
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:12,320
or you want to try something,
new I always look and see what's the

704
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:16,519
worst thing can happen? And and
you know, you and I monce we

705
00:54:16,599 --> 00:54:21,360
haven't spoken for years, but we
were really good friends. But I know

706
00:54:21,519 --> 00:54:25,079
for a fact the worst thing can
happen for me is Okay, I don't

707
00:54:25,079 --> 00:54:28,880
have any money, I don't have
place to live. You will put me

708
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:30,599
up. I know you will put
me up. I know you would feed

709
00:54:30,639 --> 00:54:34,719
me, and I'll do the same
to you. So if you have just

710
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,960
one or two friends where you can
really count on and they can help you

711
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:44,000
make that decision or take that lead, you know, stick to those friends

712
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,639
because the worst case scenario, you
know, you can have a bit and

713
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:52,920
maybe you know, a warm meal
and no and no cat on the can

714
00:54:54,039 --> 00:55:01,960
that's my cat, although I hear
it's good anyway, it's good for Yeah.

715
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,840
Well, there you have it.
That is the end of my two

716
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:14,159
part interview with Joseph Merhe quite an
unusual and inspiring story. As usual,

717
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:20,079
you can reach me at Life is
a Gamblepod at gmail dot com or on

718
00:55:20,199 --> 00:55:25,239
Twitter. I'm on Twitter at RWM
twenty one. So until next time,