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Welcome to UFO Link Tank Craigier with
your host Alejandrolrokan. Hello everybody, and

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thank you for joining me once again. We're you of both in Tank Radio.

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We have a special Didty the special
show. I guess this special Diddy

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would be a little song and maybe
I'll sing you one if we have some

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time later today. But this is
a interview actually that we're doing today and

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it's something I have drug out of
my archives. I was looking through my

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files and I found this interview I
did probably around five years ago, and

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that was prior to me using blog
talk here, so it's not in the

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archives, and it ought to be
because it's pretty interesting stuff. And it

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is with a gentleman, a friend
of mine from Colorado named Don Daniels.

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He actually was with c SETI for
quite some time. I don't think he

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is now, he might be.
I know he likes to still organize UFO

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watching outings in the lovely mountains of
Colorado away from the lights. But he's

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a commercial airline pilot. And he
also helped doctor Stephen Greer with a disclosure

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project. And this was a project
where doctor Greer had put together an executive

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briefing with lots of witnesses that were
in the military or in the private sector,

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such as for FA officials, things
like this. Very credible people,

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many many of them. And then
they put together an executive summary that was

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a few pages in which you can
get the website for the Disclosure Project,

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good stuff, and then they took
that to many people in Washington, d

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C. And this all culminated in
May of two thousand and one a press

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conference at the Washington, d C. Press Club. And not only did

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Don Daniels help with that, but
immediately after this big press conference where everybody

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got excited, they then held an
event at the University of Colorado in Boulder,

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Colorado, in one of their large
lecture halls, which seized a lot

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of people, and it was packed, says Don Daniels. It was standing

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room only. People are pouring out
of the door. People are trying to

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get in there to hear all about
what doctor Greer had talked about. And

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there were some interesting things that resulted
from that, and we'll talk to Don

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about that, including that his sanity
was put into question and he was grounded

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as a pilot for a period of
time, and related to his involvement there,

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but we talked about that and how
he had to go through some steps.

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Luckily it wasn't too traumatic for him
to get his pilot's license back and

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the fly again. And also he
then talks about how, you know,

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it's difficult for other commercial pilots to
talk about UFOs and his whole experience that

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way. So it's a good interview. It is a while ago. The

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technology wasn't as good. Actually,
I used to use this mini disc player

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recorder and a microphone attached to it, and mini disc is actually a really

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good technology. I mean, that
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not what you're used to. There's
some static, but it sounds pretty good

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and it's a lot of fun.
It's a good interview, so I think

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you guys are really gonna like it. That's why I'm playing it for you,

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and I want to put it on
the record, so it's in the

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archives here, so I'm not kidding. You guys are gonna like this.

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So I think he even talked about
his sightings as a pilot and stuff,

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but some and plus you know,
as far as this Boulder story goes,

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with the weird stuff that happened,
I don't know if people know about it,

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let alone that this guy's experience is, you know, talking and being

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interested in the UFO is putting his
job in jeopardy as a commercial airline pilot.

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I don't think any of you are
too surprised about that. But luckily

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he stuck with it and fought it
out and was only grounded for a short

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period of time, why until he
could get himself reinstated. So it's an

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exciting story, trust me. So
that's coming up here and just a little

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bit. But before that, of
course, we talked about the news,

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UFO news. What are the stories
out? There is a move On symposium

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last weekend, so there were going
to be some announcements from the move On

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Symposium and announcement of some degree of
importance, and it is pretty cool,

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especially for UFO researchers. Some of
you know of lend String build, and

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I know we've had at least a
couple people. I think Kevin Randall talked

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about him when I had him on
the show, and I believe that there

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were others as well. In fact, I've got a story on a new

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book right and these people actually talked
about it too. So where is that

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story. But anyways, we'll get
there a researcher who's researching Aztec and things

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like that. So Leonard Stringfeld,
he was a researcher back in the day.

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He used to do a lot of
his research for or release it all

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in Moufon symposiums and in MoveOn symposium
proceedings. And he was really investigating UFO

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crashes in the seventies, so a
long time ago. And he had a

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lot of contact insiders with military because
he was in the military himself. He

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was talking with FBI and CIA agents
and the likes, so we will see.

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And he worked with Jay Allen Heinek, who was the blue Book you

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know, Air Force guy astronomer.
And so the story is that his files

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have been lost or they have not
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Moufon was able to acquire now his
files, which include all of his official

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correspondence to us all of these different
groups. So this is really cool where

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UFO people, especially those who are
interested in string builds work, and it

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is because what MoveOn is going to
do is categorize these document these They really

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got to go through all these files, like they say, to decide what

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we really have here, and then
all of this as they get through it

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will be made available to the public
to look through. And not only that.

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As people are going through them,
you know, some stories will arise,

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such as there's some speculation right now
about what's in there, such as,

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you know, were the FBI and
CIA or others in the government interfering

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with his work? Did Donald Rumsfeld
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I don't know, these are some
of the rumors that some of the

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stuff that might be in there,
But I think there's gonna be some really

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interesting stuff in there that we'll be
able to look up. Yeah. Linn

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Stringfield was definitely a very interesting fellow. He says that one of the things

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that he saw what really got him
involved was when he was an intelligence officer

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in the Army Air Force in nineteen
forty five, so this is before I

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think it was really the Air Force. Air Force. He saw a teardrop

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shaped object from his three of them
from his starboard window. They were brilliant

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white, like burning magnesium. This
is a direct quote, and closing in

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on a parallel course to their Sea
forty six. Suddenly our left engine feathered

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and I was later to learn that
magnetic navigation instrument needles went wild As the

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Sea forty six lost altitude. With
oil spurting from the troubled engine, the

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pilot sounded an alert, crew and
passengers were told to prepare for a ditch.

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I do not recall my thoughts or
actions during the next flurifying moments,

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but my last glimpse of the three
bogies placed them at about twenty degrees above

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the level of our transport, flying
in the same type formation. They faded

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into a cloud bank. Instantly,
our craft's engines revved up and we picked

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up altitude and flew a steady course
to land safely in Ewa Jima. So

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quite a harrowing experience. So it
is no wonder that he got very involved

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with this topic and made it a
big part of his life's work. So

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these files got approved to be very
interesting, But that was the big news

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from the move On symposium. The
couple that I was mentioning earlier are Suzanne

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and Scott Ramsey. There is a
people I was trying to think of who

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have written a book on the Aztec
alleged UFO crash from nineteen forty seven and

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In fact, I've had the Ramseys
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Scott by himself and then Suzanne and
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and they have been working on this
book for a long long time.

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But this book has just recently come
out, and I mention it now just

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because it's kind of neat the lake. Norman Citizen is in the Carolina has

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wrote a story about these guys in
their UFO interests and their books and things

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like that, so that was kind
of cool. The book, by the

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way, is called Aztec Incident Recovery
at Heart Canyon, So if you want

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to check that out. From what
I've read, I haven't gotten the book

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yet, but I definitely will because
I'm interested to see what they found out.

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But from the reviews, I have
not heard that there's extremely compelling information.

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However, that there is a lot
of well done research here to really

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find. I mean, you'll get
the details of the ins and outs around

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this alleged crash, if not a
smoking gun that it actually occurred, but

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some good research is what I hear. So excited about that. Otherwise,

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what's making big news or what is
making big news? And we talked about

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this last week was the blimp or
I'm sorry, the UFO seen over the

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during their opening ceremony. And yes, it has been confirmed that it was

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a blimp. In fact, Lee
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a big fur r on the internet, also followed it up because he talked

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with Goodyear, and Goodyear sent him
some images where you can tell that the

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video with the very similar to the
blimp. On these different images that Goodyear

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provided for him of the blimp at
the Olympics. Some people have said,

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well, it doesn't say Goodyear on
the side, and he found out that

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Goodyear is helping NBC doing some filming
with their blimp. That's why they're there.

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However, they are not an official
sponsor of the Olympics. Less they

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had to cover up the Goodyear name, which they've done so with a large

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blue sticker of some sort that looks
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the side of the blimp and the
rest is kind of silvery, So that

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is what gives it kind of this
domed appearance that people are seeing, and

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that is mystifying the public and really
getting them so excited. They're all worked

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up in a frenzy and then it
turns out to be a blimp. Some

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of you last week we're probably saying, Alejandro, you told us that was

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a blimp last week and we thought
you are a debunking son of a gun.

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And I'm sorry, but you know, I've been in this for a

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while and like they say, you
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and that's what happened here. It
was just a blimp, people,

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But that's okay. So because there
are other really good cases, that's what

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we want to focus on, the
truly mysterious, because that's where the meat

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this subject lies. That's where we're
going to make some medway people. So

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and there are a lot of great
cases out there. So, but this

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was just a plimp. Moving on, Canadian papers are still covering the story

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that came out. We talked about
it last week about a Canadian UFO survey

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that talked about how there are have
been a lot of sightings in Canada lately,

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and the newspapers are still writing about
this, which is kind of exciting.

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In fact, Calgary, a new
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was ranked in number two out of
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about how across the country. Almost
a thousand sightings were filed in twenty eleven,

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so that's very interesting. MoveOn does
take sightings for them. You know

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what I'm gonna do, hopefully i'll
remember to do this, is look to

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see how many sightings Mofon has gotten
in Canada. I'll bet you it's been

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about the same Moufon gets, you
know, something about like five hundred sightings

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a month reported to them, and
some of those are in Canada. So

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I'll look that up because I'm sure
there were getting quite a few in Canada

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from Moufon too, So they're really
excited about all the sightings out there.

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A moufon interesting stuff. One of
the sidings that happened out in Maryland wasn't

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really exciting. I voiced my frustration
about this deal before and I will again.

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But the Air Force was slepping across
the country a few months ago this

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drone that looks like a UFO,
and there were a couple of people that

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said, hey, you know,
there's a UFO on the back of this

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truck. And they were calling in
and there's a big story about that.

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People were getting excited. Then in
Maryland recently they were driving this thing around

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again and there was no big deal. They were the media tried to capitalize

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on the stories from earlier and they
were saying, oh, UFO, people

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are freaking out because they no,
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knew this was not a UFO,
but they still made a big deal out

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of it. So of course they
got to continue to make a big deal

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out of it. This week there
were photos of that craft released by it's

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actually a Navy I'm sorry, it's
a Navy drone, and they did kind

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of a promotional thing where they showed
it flying. It's an unmanned drone.

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It's a pretty big thing. It's
it's cool looking. It does look like

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some kind of saucer or something,
and they put it out for show and

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people got a lot of pictures.
The press went there and got a lot

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of pictures of this thing, and
so this week we've seen a lot of

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pictures and Wired wrote the Navy's Unmanned
Autonomous UFO kind of a misuse of the

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term UFO because it's certainly not unidentified, it is identified. But Wired really

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not doing us any favors by misusing
the term UFO and trying to make it

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seem like this thing is, you
know, what was mistaken for UFOs and

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it may have about it, and
I can't because that's my right. Quit

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making goofy stories about stuff like this
and let's let's pay attention to the real

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thing, not blimps and drones people. Okay, Moving on to Australia.

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There are people that have said that
my attempted English accent sounds more Australian,

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and perhaps it does. I am
not of English nor Australian decent, and

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it's a terrible I do. I
don't do a very good job. I'm

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sorry. I'll stop that. But
more exciting about Australia is that they have

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released some of their UFO's files recently. The National Archives of Australia have put

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out some files, people calling them
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a few stories there of some sightings, including a sighting that was seen by

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a dairy farmer in nineteen eighty three. It was also seen by a constable

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who was in a different location who
said that it was his opinion that this

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aircraft was not normal, and a
bunch of other interesting sightings. However,

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and this story I'm referring to is
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and the sighting kind of in there
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couple of aircraft apt that were almost
scrambled on a UFO. These were a

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couple Mirage jets also in nineteen eighty
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scrambled for an object that was being
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sixty five hundred kilometers per hour at
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to one hundred and fifty nautical miles
north of Sydney. So it was caught

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on radar at the Mascot Airports and
some jets were put on alert at the

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Williamtown raf Royal Air Force Base,
so they weren't scrambled, And actually there

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was further investigation done and it was
concluded that they were due to interference something

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called running rabbits. I hadn't heard
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experts out there haves, so that
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happened there and there wasn't actually a
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spent sixty six point five days of
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in a staff car to investigate this
thing, and they had to they really

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just I guess the point here is
they did a lot of investigation to figure

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out what this thing is. So
if this one turned out to be a

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mistake, I think the interesting question
is have they spent this much time investigating

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other radar anomalies that were not mistakes, because we certainly have heard in the

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Royal Air Force and the United States
Air Force cases where they did pursue objects

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that did not turn out to be
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had reported were anomalous objects that sped
off at high rates of speed. So

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hopefully they'll release some more files.
These files were only released, it says,

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because their classification status had expired,
where they have an expiration an expiry

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date out there, and once the
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time, they need to release it. Interesting, very very interesting. I

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told you a little bit about an
open Mind story last week on a gentleman

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named Dick French, and this is
an ex Air Force official. He was

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actually in He was a lieutenant colonel
in the Air Force who says that he

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knows that in Roswell there wasn't just
one crash that occurred. There were two

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objects that crashed. He says that
the first one was shot down by an

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experimental US airplane that was flying out
of White Sands, New Mexico. It

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was shot with an electronic pulse type
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of the UFO, and that's why
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here so an interesting story. He
says. You know that he was in

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charge of debunking blue book stories at
the Air Force had told him, Okay,

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we want you to investigate some UFO
stories back in the fifties. However,

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we want you to explain them away. Tell people how these UFOs were

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not really UFOs. He says he's
familiar with the bunking and how the Air

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Force wanted to make sure people didn't
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there is some doubt placed on the
stories. For instance, John Alexander

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said that there was no chance,
zero chance that this was true. That

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John Alexander had actually worked on Paul's
power weapons and that we didn't have those

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in the eighties. Until the eighties
certainly not in the forties. And actually,

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you know there you can watch the
Open Minds. This is again a

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Least Spiegel story on the Huffington Post
in the Weird News. He just posted

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it today, so you'll be able
to go check it out. Open Minds,

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however, posted the video with an
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and I was particularly concerned about the
Colonel Corso comments he made set he knew

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Colonel Corso, who was a colonel
uh in the Army who says that he

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had been involved with the been given
the responsibility to deal with objects that were

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supposedly recovered from the Roswell craft,
and that he then gave them to various

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companies to develop technologies. And this
Dick French is like, oh, yeah,

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I knew Colonel Corso and I remember
the bodies in the spaceship he got

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and they were all taken to wrap, right Patterson, Well, that doesn't

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really jive with what Colonel Course is
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that Antonio Junea said, who was

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really the first person to interview him, was that he also has some reservations

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about the claims and I talked to
Antonio last weekend actually, and he said,

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yeah, he's worried to some of
these statements kind of are are not

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consistent, and he totally Spiegel of
the Huffington Post pretty much what he told

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me. He said because of his
age, his memory isn't as good as

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it used to me, it's fairly
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the subject of UFOs, or he
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So I'm trying to separate exactly what
he lived and saw directly from what

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he heard and read. And if
you see this interview from Open Minds,

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you'll see exactly what he's talking about
because he's kind of talking about UFOs and

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stuff, and it's hard to determine. Okay, are you saying that this

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is what you suspect is the case
or is this what you know is the

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case because this is something you saw
and were a part of while you were

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in the Air Force. And that
is still a little vague. But it

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sounds like this guy was part of
something interesting. So hopefully there'll be some

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more interviews with him and we'll be
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there. Very interesting story and some
more exciting news and that it's another retired

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Air Force lieutenant colonel in this case
who's talking about UFOs and knowing about UFOs

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in the Air Force, and that
they did take them serious even though they

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tried to debunk them to the public. Very interesting. So check out the

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Huffington Post Weird News. Final UFO
story. Really here is some UFOs spotted

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the chrome off the Chromers coast in
England and this is a bright white and

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blue light were spotted off shore out
there. And this is a story that

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ran in the DP twenty four.
But just some more stories about UFOs out

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in the UK. This is in
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so their media is still covering this
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things Brooklyn. I don't know that
any anybody reported any UFOs in Brooklyn,

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but the fire department said there was
a and they've got a video of it.

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It looks like so it's a pretty
cool video of this transformer exploding off

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the coast. And let's see,
it was on a barge, so the

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transformer fire on a barge, so
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and that's where people could see it
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hey, don't worry, that was
at the UFO. That was just

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transformer blowing up. And then of
course the big news is the Curiosity Loo

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Mars Lander, which is landed out
there, this big robot up there on

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Mars and it's going to be looking
for life, which is really exciting,

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although it's unfortunate. And who did
we have on We had a scientist on

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recently who said, what we need
is a microscope on one of these babies

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to be able to tell if something's
really life, but they don't put Michael.

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They haven't put a microscope on this
robot either, which is unfortunate,

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but that they do have other devices
to look for other signs of life,

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so we'll see what they find.
So so that's that people. That is

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the UFO News. Of course,
you can go to UFO DailyNews dot com

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a's ufodailynews dot com and read some
of these stories, and of course you'll

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want to click on the UFO newsfeed
to see all of these stories because that's

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my Twitter feed where you're going to
see it all and then if you want

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to be twittered, then join the
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site and look at it and you
can read the stories there. If not,

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just listen to the show and I'll
tell you all about the stories your

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whatever, whatever you want to do. You know, word knows. I

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can't make you people do anything.
No, but thank you all so very

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much for listening to the show.
We've had a we always have a good

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increase in listeners over time. There's
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we were featured on iTunes lately.
And if you are new to the show

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because you were brought here by iTunes, welcome. We are very happy to

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have you. But now let's listen
to this interview from about five op five

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years ago with Don Daniels, an
exclusive interview that was retrieved from my archives.

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And I think some really interesting behind
the scenes with the disclosure project and

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commercial airlines that you just haven't heard
before. Hello, it's allanra Robas with

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UFO, Think Tank and dam here
with Don Daniels. He is the local

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c SETI representative and as that local
to Denver or Colorado, Colorado. Basically,

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okay, most of the activities right
here in the Denver, Boulder,

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Colorado Springs area. He was the
first speaker at my UFO think tank discussion

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group, and mainly because Disclosure Project
especially has been such an important thing to

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me, And funny enough, Disclosure
Project is really what launched me into all

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of my research and my involvement with
the community. And you were the first

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speaker at Colorado moufon and when they
had their museum area in Littleton, Okay.

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So you were the first speaker I
got to see out of the Colorado

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moofon. So that was really cool
too, because serendipitous even to see that

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there was also local c Setti things
going on. But to start off,

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let's go ahead and talk about your
background, what you do, your career,

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things like that. Well, I
was born on this planet. To

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the best of my knowledge, my
interest in UFOs started pretty early. The

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earliest definite recollections come from about sixth
grade, mostly daydreaming when I had a

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really boring teacher. But I was
also consuming books at that time. Even

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that early. As I progressed out
of high school and into college, I

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was working towards career as a pilot. And there's some conflicts there. You

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know, you can't be interested in
UFOs and be a pilot. For some

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reason, there's a lot of ridicule
factor there. So I still had a

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lot of interest, but I kind
of had to put it on the back

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burners. I got my career going. After I finally got on with an

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airline, had some time there,
built up some seniority. Then I started

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looking for a way to do some
research again. I looked at several different

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organizations and trying to find one that
really fit. And doctor doctor Stephen Geer

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was coming through town and I went
down to his lecture and then just about

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an hour, many many things that
I was trying to put together for years

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just suddenly clicked. All the reasons, the why I just suddenly made sense,

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and I said, this guy's onto
something. So I worked real hard

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to shift my schedule around trade a
trip and I told my flight manager there

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was a seminar I really wanted to
go to, and he gave me a

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trip drop and then I managed to
pick up a different one, but I

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didn't tell him what the seminar was
about. It was the Ambassadors of the

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Universe training down in Crestone in nineteen
ninety nine, and that was the first

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time I went out with doctor Greer
in the field, and you know,

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I was scurrying to study all the
pre study materials and everything, and I

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was on a steep learning curve.
I got down to Crestone and very first

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night out in the field, we
had this thing come streaking in down in

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the southwest. It looked kind of
like a meteor, but just not quite.

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It just was more of an energy
streak than a point of light with

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a tail behind it. And then
it stopped instantly and was just instantly this

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large blue white point of light out
in the sky. We really don't know

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how far away. It's hard to
judge a bright light night sky with no

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other reference, but we're guessing anywhere
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the sand Louis Valley. And doctor
Reer picked up his laser pointer and went

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flash flash and the object flashed back
flash flash matched his pattern. That's so

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it's cool being a pilot. That's
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somebody else and they see you they
flash back. It's kind of like saying

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hi, I see you, and
they say I see you too, and

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you know that you're watching each other. Well, we basically said hi,

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and they said hi. So then
somebody else stayed with a million cattle power

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spotlight and they flashed back. And
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try and do was was reach out
mentally and try and see if we could

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remote view the craft or you know, make mental contact of some form and

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see the occupants or or telepathically reach
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to do that, this pale blue
white spotlight came down out of the craft

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and made like a thirty foot circle
in our group. The scan line went

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down through it, and then the
beam shortened back up, sucked back into

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the craft. It was really weird. It got shorter. It didn't just

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shut off like a light beam like
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you know, I looked at that
and I said, cool, we've just

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been scanned. That was my very
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And you know, I asked you, does has happened all the time?

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They said, no, that's a
little exceptional. But that was quite

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the way to start my research career. Was that the first time you had

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ever seen something strange in the sky. Oh, I'd seen some strange things,

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some things that I couldn't necessarily identify, but I had never seen anything

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that I could say was definitely not
of our, at least conventional technology.

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This the way it came streaking in
and stopped instantly and interacted with us was

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definitely something different. So yeah,
that's the first time I could say that

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it was definitely not of our at
least our acknowledged technology. And even if

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it was the covert military technology,
which has the best of my knowledge,

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those kind of capabilities, I don't
think they would have stopped and flashlights and

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been friendly and said high in that
same way. I think they would have

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been trying to avoid detection as far
as I you know, I've done an

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awful lot of thinking about it,
and the logical explanation makes the most sense.

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What did you find out about c
SETY. What does the agram stand

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for? What are they doing?
What are their goals and objectives? C

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SETI stands for the Center for the
Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence, as opposed to

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SETI, which is the search for
extraterrestrial intelligence. They're still looking and a

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lot of the sea SETI work is
ambassadors to the universe type, training people

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to to be ready to interact with
extraterrestrials if they should visit to to provide

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an interface between US and them.
There's no government ambassador school for extraterrestrial countries.

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I mean there's a school for ambassadors
for various other countries, but no

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ambassador acknowledge. Yeah, there's no
no acknowledged ambassador to the universe and the

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government and so doctor Career just started
his own and a lot of it is

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spiritual and meditation, remote viewing techniques
and a variety of things like that.

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But it's the object is to go
out and try and make peaceful contact and

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serve as a peaceful citizen ambassadors or
diplomats. When did you become the Colorado

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representative? Oh gosh, Actually,
as far as the official representative, it's

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more the Disclosure project and the Disclosure
Project rep for the state. And then

407
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I have a working group here which
as far as I know, is the

408
00:37:54.320 --> 00:38:00.800
only working group in Colorado, a
c sety working group that goes out during

409
00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:02.360
the warmer months. We try and
get out once or twice a month,

410
00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:08.760
depending on my schedule, and spend
an evening out in the in the foothills

411
00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:15.599
here in a nice secluded area.
We've got located and do our contact protocols,

412
00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:25.599
which include some ways that we have
found to attract attention from what appears

413
00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:30.039
to be extra trest through craft.
How would how am I get involved?

414
00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:36.199
Well, they could contact me.
They could go through the c sety website

415
00:38:36.360 --> 00:38:40.360
and look for work their way down
through the menus for for local groups working

416
00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:45.039
in groups. My email address and
I think the phone number in there.

417
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:51.239
You could also write me Don Daniels
at pecanet dot com. That's p E

418
00:38:51.400 --> 00:38:54.559
e K A N E T dot
com and I can put you on my

419
00:38:54.639 --> 00:38:58.800
mailing list let you know when when
we're headed out for a field evening.

420
00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:07.320
I wanted to talk real quick on
a pilot ridicule factor. So when people

421
00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:14.599
know about there's a lot of joking
among pilots about the subject. Well now,

422
00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:19.519
actually there's very little discussion at all. Everybody's afraid to talk about it

423
00:39:19.639 --> 00:39:22.599
because if you do talk about it, you kind of get branded as crazy

424
00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:31.440
and your career can be in jeopardy. Now, I've probably pushed the envelope

425
00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:37.480
just a little bit a few years
back to try and improve that situation.

426
00:39:38.239 --> 00:39:44.400
About the time we were doing the
Disclosure Project conference in Washington, d C.

427
00:39:44.559 --> 00:39:46.800
May Night, the two thousand and
one, which you can watch on

428
00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:52.440
the Disclosure Project website. You can
download the entire video of the conference and

429
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:58.679
watch the whole two hour thing.
But I was also talking to a bunch

430
00:39:58.719 --> 00:40:00.880
of the pilots I was playing with
the time, and I found that if

431
00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:06.599
I broached the subject and you know, kind of let them know, it

432
00:40:06.679 --> 00:40:09.639
was a no thread environment to talk
about it, that a lot of them,

433
00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:14.079
probably fifty percent or so, had
had some kind of a UFO siding,

434
00:40:14.920 --> 00:40:17.320
and many of them had had very
close range sightings where they could see,

435
00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:22.159
you know, under five hundred feet
where they could see structure in detail,

436
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:29.159
very high quality sightings. But nobody
wanted to talk about it, you

437
00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:34.119
know, unless I brought it up
first. In June, let's see,

438
00:40:34.159 --> 00:40:37.119
what was it. Late June or
early July of two thousand and one,

439
00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:46.480
we had a the first the inaugural
Disclosure Project roadshow presentation of the Disclosure Project

440
00:40:46.599 --> 00:40:51.920
video up at UC Boulder. It
turned out to be the only venue we

441
00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:58.159
could find that was affordable on short
notice, and we put together a presentation

442
00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:07.599
at the Chemistry Auditorium at UC Boulder
and showed the Disclosure Project video and the

443
00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:10.559
auditorium holds about five hundred people.
We've probably had eight hundred people in the

444
00:41:10.639 --> 00:41:15.400
room and we had to turn several
hundred away because we just physically couldn't get

445
00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:20.920
him in the doors. And I've
had room before. Yep. Well we

446
00:41:21.039 --> 00:41:22.840
had it overfilled, and I was
I was worried about the fire marshal.

447
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:30.679
But yeah, that's why I've heard
from pretty much anybody who knew about it

448
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:34.840
that was local showed up and just
we're thlown away. Yeah, but we

449
00:41:34.880 --> 00:41:38.599
could not get a single news media
there. Talked to the local papers,

450
00:41:38.679 --> 00:41:43.159
the TV stations. It was like
hex hex, I don't want to have

451
00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:45.480
anything to do with that, and
the reporters were scared to death to even

452
00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:52.280
cover it. We got one little
mention in the newspaper. Our big break

453
00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:58.599
was what's the guy's name? He
was a football player that had a drivetime

454
00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:04.960
talk radio show. Sure I can't
I don't think of it a minute,

455
00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:09.000
but anyway, he had a radio
show and one of the people in my

456
00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:13.760
group knew him and got us on
the on the air of the day before

457
00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:16.840
our presentation, and that went out. I think I think his audience was

458
00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:22.719
about half a million people, and
wow, so that really put us over

459
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:25.039
the top on the on the show. The next day, as we were

460
00:42:25.920 --> 00:42:29.880
setting up for the two o'clock show, we were moving books and stuff in

461
00:42:29.960 --> 00:42:34.880
about noon and people were already lined
up deep, and we just totally overpacked

462
00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:42.599
the auditorium. Presented the video,
doctor Greer spoke and it was it was

463
00:42:42.679 --> 00:42:47.000
interesting. I didn't realize till later
that this was the same campus where about

464
00:42:47.199 --> 00:42:53.400
roughly forty years earlier, doctor Condon
had kind of dismissed the whole Project Blue

465
00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:58.159
Book and said there's nothing to it
and shut down the Air Force involvement.

466
00:42:58.360 --> 00:43:01.760
Basically, Yeah, and that was
a whitewash, but that's a whole nother

467
00:43:01.800 --> 00:43:07.840
story. Anyway, we we went
back to the same campus, overfilled the

468
00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:10.280
biggest auditorium on the campus, and
said, oh, yes, there is

469
00:43:10.320 --> 00:43:14.880
there's something to it, and totally
blew him out of the water. So

470
00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:21.840
it was kind of historic in a
way, accidental but historic. All Right,

471
00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:23.719
we have to take a flight pause, but go ahead. Okay,

472
00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:29.360
Well, where I was leading with
this steal on the presentation up and Boulder.

473
00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:36.159
As we were showing the video,
there was a pretty classic man in

474
00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:38.880
black in the back of the room
that went running up to the projection booth

475
00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:45.159
and was beating on the door and
demanding to be let in and and saying

476
00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:47.840
we can't show that, And of
course we showed it. And a couple

477
00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:54.039
of weeks later, I got this
phone call from the from my chief pilot

478
00:43:54.719 --> 00:43:59.000
telling me I had been removed from
pay from my next trip with pay,

479
00:43:59.039 --> 00:44:01.480
which is played for ground, and
that I had to go see the company

480
00:44:01.559 --> 00:44:07.239
doctor before I flew again, and
he gave me a little bit of a

481
00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:12.239
clue of what I had to defend
myself against. But I kind of also

482
00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:15.639
got the impression that the word came
back around from our corporate headquarters, not

483
00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:22.280
from the local flight office. So
I got the impression that it was some

484
00:44:22.239 --> 00:44:28.760
psychological warfare or disinformation types that were
trying to trash my career or at least

485
00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:31.440
harass me. So I had to
go and talk to the company doctor and

486
00:44:34.280 --> 00:44:37.239
proved I was saying. So I
now have the dubious distinction of being one

487
00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:43.119
of the certified saying pilots on the
property. But then just a couple of

488
00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:46.960
weeks after that, I did a
presentation for Interface Boulder, which is a

489
00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:52.719
group of mental health professionals and clergy
that get together for a breakfast meeting once

490
00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:57.559
a month, And so here I
am talking about the implications of extraterrestrial contact

491
00:44:57.639 --> 00:45:00.320
to a bunch of mental health professionals, just weeks after I'd had my own

492
00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:07.639
sanity checked by my airline. No
intimidation factor there, but yeah, there

493
00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:12.960
is. The ridicule factor is used
even to this day to keep people quiet

494
00:45:13.559 --> 00:45:17.239
about the subject, especially pilots.
Were you expecting or prepared for any type

495
00:45:17.280 --> 00:45:24.000
of retaliation or problems because of your
involvement. Oh, I knew that I

496
00:45:24.159 --> 00:45:27.840
was pushing the boundaries a little bit
there as far as what the company would

497
00:45:27.880 --> 00:45:32.239
be comfortable with, But in a
way I was trying to blaze a little

498
00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:37.000
bit of a trail for other pilots
too, and for a lot of people.

499
00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:43.480
I'm sure just that little incident would
have been a big scare and possibly

500
00:45:43.519 --> 00:45:46.519
could have got them to shut up
from there on out. Well, it

501
00:45:46.639 --> 00:45:50.719
was a bit of a scare.
I mean I didn't know exactly, you

502
00:45:50.760 --> 00:45:53.159
know, whether the doctor was going
to be open minded or whether he and

503
00:45:53.199 --> 00:45:57.360
the company had an agenda and they
were going to do their best to find

504
00:45:57.400 --> 00:46:02.239
me incompetent, which could cause me
to lose my pilot's licenses and my ability

505
00:46:02.280 --> 00:46:06.239
to fly anything. I mean,
your career is literally on the line.

506
00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:15.800
So fortunately the doctor was open minded. And it was interesting because somebody had

507
00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:21.400
told him about this blue spotlight,
and he asked me several other things,

508
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:25.480
and you know, he wanted to
make sure that I wasn't a threat to

509
00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:30.719
my passengers or anything, and he
was comfortable with that. And as he's

510
00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:32.800
signed in the paper saying I'm fine, he says, oh, by the

511
00:46:32.840 --> 00:46:36.039
way, what's this about this blue
spotlight? And I said, well,

512
00:46:36.159 --> 00:46:39.159
sir, that event actually happened.
Here's letters from a couple of the scientists

513
00:46:39.199 --> 00:46:42.679
that were in our group that observed
it. I've got some more letters coming.

514
00:46:42.760 --> 00:46:45.000
And I said the illogical thing to
do would be to deny it.

515
00:46:45.800 --> 00:46:47.719
And he kind of looked at me, and he looked at the letter and

516
00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:52.679
it was signed by one of the
scientists that was in the group, and

517
00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:54.719
he says, well, I'd argue
with that, finished signing the letter and

518
00:46:54.760 --> 00:46:59.440
sent me upstairs to the chief pilot's
office. I wonder if that was an

519
00:46:59.480 --> 00:47:02.320
eye opener for that person. Oh, I imagine it might have been.

520
00:47:02.440 --> 00:47:08.920
But there's a lot going on as
far as being the Disclosure Project representative.

521
00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:17.119
What all does that and tail what
other types of events or well, primarily

522
00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:22.679
the focal point for Disclosure Project activities
within the state, which that was the

523
00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:27.280
primary one. We haven't had much
of anything real recently. We're hoping to

524
00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:31.960
do a Disclosure Round two, but
it takes a lot of money to bring

525
00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:37.199
the witnesses together, rent the conference
halls, the National Press Club, whatever.

526
00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:42.559
I think. We spent about fifty
thousand dollars on Disclosure Project one,

527
00:47:43.960 --> 00:47:47.079
which came out of a lot of
people's back pockets, including mine. We

528
00:47:47.199 --> 00:47:54.599
just donated, you know, some
people five thousand dollars, some people twenty

529
00:47:54.679 --> 00:48:00.199
thousand dollars or so to fund the
project, to pay for the transportation and

530
00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:05.840
rooms and everything for the witnesses,
and rent the rooms for the presentations and

531
00:48:05.880 --> 00:48:09.960
stuff. It's expensive. We got
shut down pretty effectively in the media.

532
00:48:10.039 --> 00:48:17.840
We pretty much proved that the media
is not free like you'd hope it would

533
00:48:17.840 --> 00:48:22.599
be. We actually got a lot
better coverage around the world than we did

534
00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:28.000
here in the US, and the
media experts tell us now that approximately two

535
00:48:28.079 --> 00:48:31.719
billion people, or one third of
the world's population, have seen the story

536
00:48:31.840 --> 00:48:37.800
on the Disclosure project May nine,
two thousand and one press conference in one

537
00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:39.840
form or another, whether it was
print or radio or TV or something,

538
00:48:42.280 --> 00:48:45.920
but it's hardly known here in the
United States when I ran a class.

539
00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:49.079
First of all, what was shocking
to me is I ran a class a

540
00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:52.199
year after it happened, which was
shocking to me because I paid attention to

541
00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:57.679
at least the television staff and lightly
I wasn't big into researching, but at

542
00:48:57.760 --> 00:49:00.679
least I was paying attention to the
latest developments. And that's obviously a very

543
00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:06.199
large latest development. So that showed
me first of all that the media was

544
00:49:06.280 --> 00:49:09.960
hiding it, that they wouldn't give
us the greatest pieces of evidence. And

545
00:49:10.119 --> 00:49:15.000
so next I took that paperwork,
I took videos, I took I just

546
00:49:15.079 --> 00:49:20.920
spread it to everybody that I knew
and likely. I met Jordan Peace Okay

547
00:49:21.559 --> 00:49:24.480
fairly recently, and he got me
a lot more material to hand out and

548
00:49:24.559 --> 00:49:29.320
give to people, which was a
lot of help. And he was talking

549
00:49:29.360 --> 00:49:35.159
about how interesting it was to shuffle
around these witnesses to different authorities who wanted

550
00:49:35.199 --> 00:49:37.119
to hear from them. Did you
get to be involved with some of that?

551
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:40.760
Oh? Yeah. Right after the
press conference, we headed for Capitol

552
00:49:40.800 --> 00:49:47.880
Hill and press conference was I think
it was on a Tuesday, maybe it

553
00:49:47.960 --> 00:49:53.719
was Wednesday. And the next two
days we were visiting congressmen and senators' offices,

554
00:49:53.800 --> 00:50:00.280
talking primarily with staff, occasionally with
the actual senators of as we were

555
00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:04.960
getting appointments during the day, that
the schedules kind of became a floating target.

556
00:50:05.039 --> 00:50:10.000
But and the teams were kind of
shuffling a little bit. But the

557
00:50:10.079 --> 00:50:17.760
first day my team leader was Danny
Shean, who's constitutional law attorney, and

558
00:50:17.920 --> 00:50:28.559
he represented Karen Silkwood in the yeah, the silk Wood case. I'm trying

559
00:50:28.599 --> 00:50:34.559
to think of the was it kirr
McGee or the nuclear plant anyway where she

560
00:50:34.639 --> 00:50:37.920
got contaminated. He represented the New
York He was part of the team on

561
00:50:37.960 --> 00:50:46.159
the New York Times Pentagon Papers Defense
and so between meetings with congressmen and stuff,

562
00:50:46.159 --> 00:50:51.360
we were talking constitutional law and privacies
and freedoms and stuff. That was

563
00:50:51.400 --> 00:50:55.760
a pretty interesting day. And as
we headed into one of my representatives office

564
00:50:55.800 --> 00:51:00.119
later in the day, about thirty
feet from the door, Daan, he

565
00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:01.400
says, well, this is your
representative, you lead this one, and

566
00:51:01.480 --> 00:51:06.559
I'm going huh. His timing was
perfect because it was just time enough to

567
00:51:06.599 --> 00:51:09.559
get over the shock and not time
enough to get scared. But I basically

568
00:51:09.679 --> 00:51:15.880
made the presentation to this representative staff
members and introduced the witnesses and they told

569
00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:21.920
their stories, and you know,
for two days we did that solid and

570
00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:25.239
got a lot of good response.
Actually, the guards at the entrance to

571
00:51:25.320 --> 00:51:30.000
the Heart Senate office building, it's
kind of like an airport. They got

572
00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:35.079
the magnetometers and the baggage screeners and
all that stuff. And when we came

573
00:51:35.159 --> 00:51:39.760
in the second day, we're in
our disclosure project badges. The guards were

574
00:51:39.880 --> 00:51:44.280
cheering us on and saying, yeah, go for it, and really giving

575
00:51:44.360 --> 00:51:46.079
us the high five as we went
through security there, which was kind of

576
00:51:46.119 --> 00:51:55.599
cool. But then after spending like
two hours in one representatives office with witnesses,

577
00:51:55.719 --> 00:52:00.719
and we had three staffers they all
had different areas of expertise and the

578
00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:05.000
questions and stuff. It spent almost
two hours with them, I get this

579
00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:08.119
condescending little letter back thank you for
interest in XYZ. If it ever shows

580
00:52:08.199 --> 00:52:12.840
up on the floor, I'll remember
you were interested. I'm going no,

581
00:52:12.920 --> 00:52:15.440
no, no, no no,
I didn't just write you a little email

582
00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:19.960
about some off the while subject.
I briefed your people with witnesses and facts

583
00:52:20.039 --> 00:52:23.400
and evidence, and you send me
this. We were like a cosmic hot

584
00:52:23.480 --> 00:52:27.039
potato. They were just passing us
around Washington, d C. You know,

585
00:52:27.119 --> 00:52:29.960
go see so and so he's on
such and such a committee, and

586
00:52:30.559 --> 00:52:34.079
nobody wanted to touch the subject.
Nobody would have had the courage to take

587
00:52:34.159 --> 00:52:37.880
the lead. So I found two
things during that week. One the press

588
00:52:37.960 --> 00:52:44.639
isn't free and two are representatives don't
represent us. They represent who has the

589
00:52:44.679 --> 00:52:49.800
money and the donations for him,
the press and the representatives having bought both.

590
00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:55.119
Daniel Sheehan, I've got one of
his presentations, and yeah, I

591
00:52:55.199 --> 00:53:02.199
find him pretty fascinating. Fascinating also, and one of his the legal basis

592
00:53:02.280 --> 00:53:09.280
he's going off of is that these
projects to create these reverse engineer or to

593
00:53:09.400 --> 00:53:17.760
recover craft are unconstitutional by nature,
so that they're oaths to keep these projects

594
00:53:17.760 --> 00:53:23.039
secrets. Don't hold any ground.
Has he gotten any has anybody fought that.

595
00:53:24.639 --> 00:53:29.079
Nobody's given us a hard time about
that. To the best of my

596
00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:34.199
knowledge, none of the witnesses have
been harassed. I probably got it worse

597
00:53:34.239 --> 00:53:38.199
than most anybody as far as the
harassment at work, But once that was

598
00:53:38.239 --> 00:53:40.679
cleared up, it was in a
way. It was kind of interesting because

599
00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:47.239
I actually even had asked the chief
pilot after it was all over, I

600
00:53:47.280 --> 00:53:51.880
said, well, does this mean
I can continue to talk about the subject,

601
00:53:51.920 --> 00:53:53.840
And he said, I should probably
be a little more careful about who

602
00:53:53.880 --> 00:53:57.559
my audience was, but yeah,
I could talk about it. So I

603
00:53:57.639 --> 00:54:02.440
have official airline approval management of approval
to talk about UFOs at work, which

604
00:54:02.519 --> 00:54:07.280
is probably a historic first. So
you know, once they had run me

605
00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:12.880
through that ringer and they came up
certified, saying, then what can they

606
00:54:12.920 --> 00:54:19.559
do? You know, it actually
gave me a little more latitude with getting

607
00:54:19.639 --> 00:54:22.280
back. I guess the local types
of things going on. I know one

608
00:54:22.360 --> 00:54:30.960
of the local are there just two
regular yearly Sea Sete National outings usually three

609
00:54:31.159 --> 00:54:38.599
maybe four. We usually do one
in crestone in July, and one in

610
00:54:39.800 --> 00:54:45.400
Joshua. Three National forests usually out
of palm springs or desert hot springs somewhere

611
00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:51.400
down in that area that will find
a hotel that we kind of center at.

612
00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:59.000
And then Mount Shasta also, So
those are the three main sites.

613
00:54:59.039 --> 00:55:02.360
So sometimes do want to East coast. They've done something up in New York.

614
00:55:02.400 --> 00:55:06.519
I'm trying to remember the name of
the place, but they've done several

615
00:55:06.559 --> 00:55:09.679
around the country and you can check
those on the c SETI website sea Sety

616
00:55:09.719 --> 00:55:15.199
dot org and just look for a
schedule of events or something like that.

617
00:55:15.639 --> 00:55:22.519
Yeah, I'll put those URLs up
on the audio posting also with the crestone.

618
00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:25.800
At least events I've known, probably
at least for the last few years,

619
00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:31.440
at least someone who's gone to join, and all of them, you

620
00:55:31.559 --> 00:55:37.840
know, have a great experience,
and there's I think at pretty much everyone

621
00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:44.440
that I've talked to, they have
some experiences that they can explain. Oh

622
00:55:44.519 --> 00:55:50.280
yeah, we have some really high
strangeness events. I have never gone on

623
00:55:50.400 --> 00:55:54.639
one of these outings where we didn't
have at least one major siding, and

624
00:55:58.480 --> 00:56:01.599
this last year was just really active, all kinds of stuff going on.

625
00:56:02.840 --> 00:56:07.679
We always get new people coming in, and it seems like the limiting factor

626
00:56:07.760 --> 00:56:12.679
is the least psychologically prepared person in
the group. So when you've got a

627
00:56:12.719 --> 00:56:15.840
big training going on, there are
some limits on how much can happen.

628
00:56:16.519 --> 00:56:21.760
It seems like if somebody, if
the craft gets too close to somebody starts

629
00:56:21.800 --> 00:56:24.280
to freak out, then they will
back away. They seem to be very

630
00:56:24.320 --> 00:56:30.119
conscious of our comfort level. But
doctor Greer is also a magnet, so

631
00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:36.920
things are always happening when he's there. I saw it was a good time.

632
00:56:36.960 --> 00:56:38.639
I call it my reality break.
It's a week to get away to

633
00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:45.920
reality, away from this matrix that
we live in. Yeah. One thing

634
00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:50.119
I found is there are no doubt
magnets out there, and one way to

635
00:56:50.559 --> 00:56:53.559
see things is to hang out with
some of these magnets. But you can

636
00:56:53.599 --> 00:57:01.639
also learn some of the techniques the
remote viewing and thought projection and various telepathic

637
00:57:01.719 --> 00:57:06.360
type techniques that are really we all
have the innate ability to do it.

638
00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:09.800
It's just that it's kind of beat
out of us by our society. You

639
00:57:09.880 --> 00:57:13.440
know. You tell the kids,
well, there's no such thing as invisible

640
00:57:13.480 --> 00:57:15.360
friends, stop talking about it.
After a while, the kid kind of

641
00:57:15.400 --> 00:57:20.960
gives up, and then they start
to lose the ability to interact with these

642
00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:29.440
quote invisible friends or whatever. They
lose psychic abilities because culturally they just aren't

643
00:57:29.440 --> 00:57:34.599
acceptable. In this culture and other
cultures around the world, a lot of

644
00:57:34.639 --> 00:57:39.639
that is much more accepted and even
encouraged with C said, you have a

645
00:57:39.719 --> 00:57:45.079
protocol also that you work with,
and this is a protocol to try to

646
00:57:45.719 --> 00:57:52.280
call and say hello, Yeah.
The basic protocol has three different aspects.

647
00:57:52.920 --> 00:57:58.360
One, we have some recordings that
were made actually by BBC camera crew in

648
00:57:58.440 --> 00:58:01.880
a cross circle is the main when
we use. There's also some that we're

649
00:58:01.920 --> 00:58:08.639
recorded with UFO sightings and we broadcast
those on any radio, it doesn't matter

650
00:58:08.719 --> 00:58:14.280
a CBE radio, a little motorola
talk abouts what I generally use, and

651
00:58:15.559 --> 00:58:17.920
so we send those out and the
idea of being that if they hear something

652
00:58:19.000 --> 00:58:23.280
that is of their origin, they'll
assume being broadcast. They'll assume that we're

653
00:58:23.320 --> 00:58:30.480
trying to get their attention, and
that seems to help attract them. We

654
00:58:30.639 --> 00:58:34.639
also use lights, although nowadays we
generally only use the lights when we see

655
00:58:34.679 --> 00:58:37.960
something, we'll flash at them and
see if they flash back, see if

656
00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:44.519
we can get a little interactive nonverbal
communication going. But the third third aspect

657
00:58:44.559 --> 00:58:52.920
and the most effective is consciousness itself. They seem to have technology that interfaces

658
00:58:52.000 --> 00:58:57.280
directly with consciousness, and if we
are in a meditative state to where we

659
00:58:57.400 --> 00:59:05.280
are kind of at one with the
universe and able to allow our consciousness to

660
00:59:05.360 --> 00:59:14.960
travel out, we can go out
and remote view find a craft, basically

661
00:59:15.039 --> 00:59:21.280
knock on the door and ask permission
to come aboard in a sense and invite

662
00:59:21.320 --> 00:59:28.559
them to come interact with us.
And so basically reaching out in consciousness and

663
00:59:28.599 --> 00:59:34.360
inviting them to follow us back is
probably the most effective part of the trilogy.

664
00:59:36.239 --> 00:59:40.119
I have a funny story with that
protocol, and well, interesting cool

665
00:59:40.159 --> 00:59:46.719
story for me. I went out
to the UFO Watchtower in Cooper, which

666
00:59:46.800 --> 00:59:52.599
is in the San Luis Valley,
which is very about what maybe twenty miles

667
00:59:52.639 --> 00:59:57.559
from Crestone if that very close to
Crestone and just west of the sand Dune.

668
00:59:58.159 --> 01:00:00.800
And I had brought that BBC Crop
Circle sounds, and I was familiar

669
01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:07.079
with the Sea SETI protocol. But
I went out there and I just I

670
01:00:07.199 --> 01:00:12.119
met Judy Messoline, who owns the
watchhower, and we just started talking and

671
01:00:12.199 --> 01:00:15.360
talking and talking, and we're spending
all our time talking. And I had

672
01:00:15.480 --> 01:00:19.719
mentioned I had brought this sound,
but I didn't know the entire protocol,

673
01:00:19.719 --> 01:00:23.679
and unfortunately nobody else there knew the
protocol. Well, lucky enough, this

674
01:00:23.920 --> 01:00:28.880
couple came and they started talking with
us, and they became part of our

675
01:00:28.920 --> 01:00:32.039
little group, just talking for hours, and eventually I had mentioned I brought

676
01:00:32.079 --> 01:00:36.599
that sound, and the lady said, well, I actually am part of

677
01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:40.239
Sea SETI and I've gone to a
lot of these outings, including some crush

678
01:00:40.360 --> 01:00:44.679
On ones. So she showed me
how to do the protocol. So we

679
01:00:44.760 --> 01:00:47.480
went up to the top of the
watch shower, we did the protocol.

680
01:00:49.079 --> 01:00:52.320
We should have been watching this sky, but instead we just got to talking

681
01:00:52.440 --> 01:00:55.360
again. Inside. Luckily, my
sister was watching and we had camped a

682
01:00:55.440 --> 01:01:00.800
lot as kids, and so she
knew out of spots, stars and satellites

683
01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:04.119
and things. And she says,
look, there's a satellite. Well,

684
01:01:04.159 --> 01:01:06.960
I get out there, and Judy
and all of us, you know,

685
01:01:07.119 --> 01:01:12.840
saw this extremely bright object just above
the mountains, just above press Stone really

686
01:01:12.920 --> 01:01:17.280
is where we spotted. It's just
very bright, moving slow and moving to

687
01:01:19.039 --> 01:01:22.960
the south and moving. It was
solid and slow, So that's why she

688
01:01:23.000 --> 01:01:28.440
said satellite. Plus she had nothing
to really reference, but she could tell

689
01:01:28.440 --> 01:01:30.800
it was something strange. I could
tell that from her face. She said

690
01:01:30.840 --> 01:01:35.199
pretty not much gets her, but
she was pretty shocked. So we're watching

691
01:01:35.280 --> 01:01:39.719
this thing. When it got directly
over the sand dunes to the what east

692
01:01:39.800 --> 01:01:45.199
of us, it just steadily dimmed
like a dimmer switch, and then the

693
01:01:45.280 --> 01:01:49.760
Sea SETI person. I was like, wow, it's gone Sea SETI lady

694
01:01:49.840 --> 01:01:52.079
had already gotten to her car and
had her binoculars on it, so she

695
01:01:52.159 --> 01:01:55.719
said at that point she saw it
flying to Mount Blanca, which was at

696
01:01:55.760 --> 01:02:00.480
that end of that string of mountains
which seems to have a lot of things

697
01:02:00.519 --> 01:02:05.159
happening there. Yeah, there been
actually reports of aircraft flying right into the

698
01:02:05.239 --> 01:02:08.760
mountain in broad daylight and just disappearing. No crash, no nothing, They

699
01:02:08.880 --> 01:02:15.199
just kind of merge in. So
I don't know whether it's holographic or whether

700
01:02:15.280 --> 01:02:17.239
they're fase shifted to where they can
merge right through solid matter or what,

701
01:02:17.480 --> 01:02:22.800
but that's been reported numerous times.
Actually, the way we kind of got

702
01:02:22.840 --> 01:02:29.480
a clue on the consciousness aspect of
the protocol is that there have been a

703
01:02:29.559 --> 01:02:32.079
number of reports of people citing the
UFO and just kind of thinking out loud,

704
01:02:32.280 --> 01:02:35.559
gosh, I wish it had come
closer so I could see it better,

705
01:02:36.159 --> 01:02:37.199
and it would it would make a
turn and come towards them, And

706
01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:42.760
so we started to realize there was
a connection and we started doing it deliberately.

707
01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:47.000
Good idea. Yeah, I've been
finding that in my investigations of investigating

708
01:02:47.119 --> 01:02:54.679
sighting slightly a lot of connection with
consciousness as a viewer and the exact protocol

709
01:02:54.800 --> 01:03:01.400
is probably not nearly as important as
your intent. Your intention and your preparedness

710
01:03:01.519 --> 01:03:08.039
for whatever high strangeness might occur.
If you're comfortable with it, then things

711
01:03:08.400 --> 01:03:13.639
can happen quite easily. Yeah.
Yeah, when people talk about the protocol

712
01:03:13.679 --> 01:03:16.760
and if they're skeptical, I can't
really be skeptical because the only the first

713
01:03:16.800 --> 01:03:20.639
time I tried it, truly,
you know, I had that experience.

714
01:03:21.159 --> 01:03:25.239
Actually, coincidentally enough, I came
back from Albuquerque last night and me and

715
01:03:25.360 --> 01:03:32.519
my cousin were had passed by the
watch shower last night on our way back

716
01:03:32.599 --> 01:03:37.079
home, and we got up on
the watch shower and I showed him the

717
01:03:37.119 --> 01:03:39.559
protocol. We had tried it,
and we didn't see anything, but it

718
01:03:39.719 --> 01:03:45.800
was already just an incredibly magical experience
because serendipitously enough, we got there in

719
01:03:45.840 --> 01:03:47.559
time for the moon to rise and
come over the mountains and it was just

720
01:03:47.679 --> 01:03:53.719
gorgeous. It's a very very magical
valley down there. Yeah, Christine is

721
01:03:53.760 --> 01:04:02.119
great. So have you attended some
of the other national outings. I've been

722
01:04:02.199 --> 01:04:08.119
to Joshua Tree twice and this last
year I went to Mount Chasta for the

723
01:04:08.159 --> 01:04:11.199
first time and Mount chest is really
neat. When you get up on the

724
01:04:11.239 --> 01:04:15.360
mountain there at night, the skyes
can be so clear. Of course,

725
01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:20.199
the Milky Way is just totally totally
in your face. But it was so

726
01:04:20.360 --> 01:04:24.519
clear and bright that we could see
the Andromeda galaxy with the naked eye,

727
01:04:24.599 --> 01:04:29.840
which is really right on the ragged
edge of being able to perceive. Holy

728
01:04:30.039 --> 01:04:35.599
Cow, and it was beautiful and
binoculars. When did you go to that

729
01:04:35.719 --> 01:04:44.159
one? Oh, gosh, I
think that was in September. I guess

730
01:04:44.199 --> 01:04:46.559
as far as you've seen then,
with all of your experience with the evolution

731
01:04:46.760 --> 01:04:51.440
of the phenomenon, do you see
trends, you see something happening, do

732
01:04:51.519 --> 01:04:56.960
you have a I guess what is
your overall feeling of where we're headed with

733
01:04:57.079 --> 01:05:01.159
all of this. Well, fortunately, over the years we've seen less and

734
01:05:01.280 --> 01:05:09.559
less of the really overt sightings,
and the feeling seems to be that the

735
01:05:09.920 --> 01:05:15.239
covert military guys are getting better and
better at targeting them and shooting at them,

736
01:05:15.039 --> 01:05:18.559
and so they're less able to fully
materialize and be visible for us.

737
01:05:19.400 --> 01:05:27.320
We're seeing more and more subtle phenomena
just right on the ragged edge of perception

738
01:05:27.599 --> 01:05:35.239
or even encounters in consciousness, but
not as much of the fully physical sightings

739
01:05:36.159 --> 01:05:42.360
we're hoping we can. We've been
campaigning for years to get the military to

740
01:05:42.440 --> 01:05:45.800
stand down in the order to try
and target and shoot them down, so

741
01:05:45.920 --> 01:05:54.559
far not successfully. But just as
an example one of the more subtle things,

742
01:05:54.639 --> 01:06:00.519
we were out one night in Crestone
several years ago and massive thunderstorms all

743
01:06:00.559 --> 01:06:03.000
around us. So we're all sitting
in the cars out there in the Bakka

744
01:06:03.280 --> 01:06:08.079
waiting for the storm to pass,
and it seemed like it was very calm

745
01:06:08.199 --> 01:06:12.039
right around us. It was just
no wind and the lightning wasn't anywhere close

746
01:06:12.119 --> 01:06:15.519
to us, and the clouds it
almost dissipated us. They went overhead and

747
01:06:15.559 --> 01:06:19.039
then reform, but finally things settled
up, settled down a little bit,

748
01:06:19.079 --> 01:06:23.760
and the lightning was easy up.
We got out of the cars, but

749
01:06:23.840 --> 01:06:29.159
we could see these little kind of
red, almost like led flashes around the

750
01:06:29.280 --> 01:06:32.159
horizon, you know, maybe a
mile away from us or more, and

751
01:06:33.400 --> 01:06:38.360
very subtly, with kind of a
soft focus, you could see what looked

752
01:06:38.400 --> 01:06:43.039
like a very very large, huge
dome right over the top of us.

753
01:06:43.480 --> 01:06:48.039
It was like being inside the King
Dome before they took it down, And

754
01:06:48.159 --> 01:06:54.639
we thought that was kind of cool, and we had some very subtle energy

755
01:06:54.800 --> 01:07:00.400
form entities that were just on the
very ragged edge of perception. Night.

756
01:07:00.960 --> 01:07:04.480
But the next day we got back
to the hotel. We were staying a

757
01:07:04.480 --> 01:07:09.760
little restaurant, and the guy,
the cook there, was acting very strange,

758
01:07:09.800 --> 01:07:13.239
and finally somebody got him to talk
about what was happening. He'd gone

759
01:07:13.280 --> 01:07:17.519
out that night before to watch the
thunderstorm, and in the lightning flashes,

760
01:07:17.920 --> 01:07:23.000
he was seeing this huge dome down
south of him, out over the bocket.

761
01:07:23.039 --> 01:07:27.039
He had no idea where we went
that night, but it was basically

762
01:07:27.119 --> 01:07:30.000
centered right over where we were,
and there was a house, a farmhouse,

763
01:07:30.079 --> 01:07:33.360
and a barn and some trees across
the street from where he was standing

764
01:07:33.800 --> 01:07:38.320
that normally would block the view of
about two thirds of the Great Sand Dunes,

765
01:07:39.039 --> 01:07:41.599
and he could see a little on
the left, little on the right.

766
01:07:42.039 --> 01:07:45.679
Well, in these lightning flashes,
through this very subtle, transparent dome,

767
01:07:46.119 --> 01:07:48.840
he could see the entire sand dunes, and the farmhouse was gone,

768
01:07:50.039 --> 01:07:54.679
and this kind of freaked him out
just a little bit. So the next

769
01:07:54.719 --> 01:07:58.119
morning he went out to see,
you know, farmhouse was still there,

770
01:07:58.159 --> 01:08:03.239
and it was so he actually he
served his breakfast and didn't say anything,

771
01:08:03.519 --> 01:08:06.480
and then shut the restaurant down for
a while, and we're trying to get

772
01:08:06.559 --> 01:08:11.400
lunch and he just wasn't back.
Finally came back around one thirty in the

773
01:08:11.480 --> 01:08:15.079
afternoon. I guess he'd gone up
to the hospital in Salida to talk to

774
01:08:15.159 --> 01:08:19.119
the doctors because he thought he was
going crazy. And he finally told somebody

775
01:08:19.159 --> 01:08:21.279
what he'd seen, and we said, oh, yeah, that makes perfect

776
01:08:21.359 --> 01:08:28.640
sense, because there have been numerous
accounts the way these things can bend light

777
01:08:28.720 --> 01:08:34.239
waves around them so that they appear
invisible and what's behind him is what you

778
01:08:34.359 --> 01:08:39.840
see. So in this case,
they were probably over us and over the

779
01:08:41.039 --> 01:08:44.680
farmhouse, and what he was seeing
was the light waves bending around so he

780
01:08:44.720 --> 01:08:47.359
could see the entire Great Sand Dunes, and anything in the middle was essentially

781
01:08:47.439 --> 01:08:55.640
invisible to him. It was probably
at a much higher vibrational frequency, kind

782
01:08:55.680 --> 01:09:00.840
of phase shifted to where it was
more nero astral than physical, but just

783
01:09:01.239 --> 01:09:06.119
barely bleeding through into physical perception.
What did he have to say to that,

784
01:09:08.319 --> 01:09:11.880
Well, I think it relieved him
a little bit that we didn't think

785
01:09:11.920 --> 01:09:15.039
he was crazy. He didn't know
a whole lot about our c seted group,

786
01:09:15.079 --> 01:09:17.239
except that we were kind of a
far out group that was spending the

787
01:09:17.279 --> 01:09:24.840
week down there, and you know, he seemed okay the rest of the

788
01:09:24.880 --> 01:09:27.560
week, but I understand that about
a month later he packed up and moved

789
01:09:27.600 --> 01:09:32.199
out of the valley. He just
couldn't take the energy and the high strangeness

790
01:09:32.279 --> 01:09:39.560
of the San Louis Valley. So
that's unfortunate. But some people just aren't

791
01:09:39.600 --> 01:09:45.520
ready. I guess with a local
outings, what did those entail? Usually,

792
01:09:46.479 --> 01:09:50.600
well, we just have a group. I just send down email note

793
01:09:50.680 --> 01:09:56.039
to people around my list, and
you know, when I get my schedule

794
01:09:56.119 --> 01:09:59.520
and figure out what nights we can
get together, we'll schedule a month,

795
01:10:00.119 --> 01:10:02.399
you know, a night or two
during the month, and we meet at

796
01:10:02.439 --> 01:10:10.800
a member's place up near Conifer that's
on a private road back, pretty secluded,

797
01:10:12.479 --> 01:10:15.760
no traffic going by, and pretty
well shielded from the lights of Denver

798
01:10:15.880 --> 01:10:18.920
and stuff. So we've got a
pretty dark skies and a pretty wide open

799
01:10:19.000 --> 01:10:21.600
view of this of the night sky. There's a few hills around, but

800
01:10:21.680 --> 01:10:28.560
still we've got most night sky visible, and so it's a real good site.

801
01:10:28.600 --> 01:10:30.880
It's a close, close end drive, but we don't get bothered by

802
01:10:30.920 --> 01:10:35.960
anybody up there, so it works
well, and we'll just stay out working

803
01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:40.279
on the c SETI protocols. We
always have somebody new, so we're always

804
01:10:40.319 --> 01:10:45.079
training people on how it all works, and stay out until midnight one two

805
01:10:45.119 --> 01:10:47.560
in the morning, depending on what's
going on and how cold it's getting,

806
01:10:48.279 --> 01:10:53.039
and see what we can see.
We've seen some stuff out there, satellites

807
01:10:53.079 --> 01:10:57.840
making ninety returns and stuff like that, and at the very least we have

808
01:10:57.880 --> 01:11:02.239
a real good astronomy night with some
good binocular and watching for things like the

809
01:11:02.560 --> 01:11:06.560
Iridium satellites that flare up real bright. You can pull those up from a

810
01:11:06.640 --> 01:11:11.479
website. It's called Heavens Above,
Heaven's Dash Above. I'll give you the

811
01:11:11.800 --> 01:11:15.399
thing you can put on your website
and you can check when the space station's

812
01:11:15.439 --> 01:11:19.720
coming over, or the Iridium satellites
or the Hubble space telescope and stuff.

813
01:11:19.760 --> 01:11:25.920
So you can be looking for those
things and know what they are, but

814
01:11:26.399 --> 01:11:31.159
also looking for other things and we
occasionally see some stuff. Yeah, watching

815
01:11:31.199 --> 01:11:36.520
the stars is always fun and Conifer, though it could be also an issue

816
01:11:36.600 --> 01:11:42.079
could be that it's very close to
fairly close to Denver. Still with a

817
01:11:42.239 --> 01:11:45.199
large metropolitan area, it's fairly close
to Denver, and we've got a direct

818
01:11:45.279 --> 01:11:55.079
line of site down at the Colorado
Springs area. So although you know,

819
01:11:55.159 --> 01:12:01.000
I've had some interesting investigations from witnesses
here in gold and spectacular, things can

820
01:12:01.039 --> 01:12:05.319
happen pretty much anywhere. People have
got good video of UFOs right over downtown

821
01:12:05.399 --> 01:12:13.000
Denver. And one of my friends
was who kind of poo pooed the whole

822
01:12:13.039 --> 01:12:18.399
thing, was driving up I seventy
from downtown up towards Evergreen and he said

823
01:12:18.399 --> 01:12:21.279
he saw the really really strange aircraft
the night before. And I said,

824
01:12:21.279 --> 01:12:23.600
well, what did it look like? And he said, well, it

825
01:12:23.680 --> 01:12:28.279
had white and blue lights alternating in
a circle around it. And I said,

826
01:12:29.039 --> 01:12:34.279
welcome to the club. That's no
airplane and did I have any airplanes

827
01:12:34.359 --> 01:12:38.760
like that? What did he say? Was he pretty shocked? Or well

828
01:12:38.960 --> 01:12:42.840
he I think he kind of suspected
it, but didn't want to admit it

829
01:12:42.880 --> 01:12:45.880
to himself until until I told him
that there's no airplanes with that kind of

830
01:12:45.920 --> 01:12:50.000
light pattern, and welcome to the
club. I've known a number of people

831
01:12:50.039 --> 01:12:56.720
who've it's who I've welcomed to the
club over the years. Oh yeah,

832
01:12:56.760 --> 01:13:00.840
it's been fun. People get welcome
to the club every day. Do you

833
01:13:00.920 --> 01:13:02.359
think in fact, you know,
that's a good segue to what I was

834
01:13:02.359 --> 01:13:04.920
going to move to. Do you
think that's part of this phenomenon? It

835
01:13:05.079 --> 01:13:11.760
is these personal sightings by more and
more people. Well, you know,

836
01:13:11.840 --> 01:13:19.680
there's all the rumors about massive flyovers
and stuff to really announce to us that

837
01:13:19.760 --> 01:13:25.560
we're not alone in the universe.
And I've seen an awful lot on both

838
01:13:25.600 --> 01:13:29.520
sides. I don't really know for
sure. Some of its channeled material,

839
01:13:29.560 --> 01:13:33.920
and you always wonder how much that's
filtered through the person's experience base and stuff.

840
01:13:34.000 --> 01:13:39.039
So you can take it, consider
it, but you've got also,

841
01:13:43.199 --> 01:13:47.600
you know, consider the source.
And you can't really say that just because

842
01:13:47.640 --> 01:13:50.680
somebody channeled that something's going to happen, that it's one hundred percent sure that

843
01:13:50.760 --> 01:13:55.479
it will. But you know,
it doesn't hurt to be looking out,

844
01:13:55.560 --> 01:13:59.800
carry a camera with you if something
is supposed to happen, and you know,

845
01:14:00.399 --> 01:14:02.960
keep looking up. How do you
feel about disclosure? Do you think

846
01:14:03.000 --> 01:14:08.680
it'll come about soon? How do
you think it might come about? Well,

847
01:14:10.119 --> 01:14:15.640
we were probably making some inroads during
the Clinton administration. With the current

848
01:14:15.680 --> 01:14:23.560
administration, they have absolutely no interest
in disclosure, So I don't think we're

849
01:14:23.560 --> 01:14:28.439
going to make inroads through conventional channels
over the next couple three years. Unless

850
01:14:28.439 --> 01:14:32.640
there's some major changes. I thought
we could have some events that kind of

851
01:14:32.720 --> 01:14:40.600
forced the issue, and that could
be a good thing too, And I

852
01:14:40.680 --> 01:14:45.000
think a lot more people are much
more ready for it. You know,

853
01:14:45.119 --> 01:14:47.319
even when I did the Interface Boulder
presentation, a lot of the clergy people

854
01:14:47.399 --> 01:14:53.159
had already talked with their congregations about
the possibility of other life in the universe,

855
01:14:53.439 --> 01:14:58.760
and I brought it up openly and
then a very positive way, which

856
01:14:58.800 --> 01:15:02.720
I thought was Outso so it's getting
out there. I think with forty years

857
01:15:02.760 --> 01:15:08.359
of Star Trek and other stuff,
I don't think people be jumping jumping out

858
01:15:08.399 --> 01:15:13.319
of windows like they were afraid they
would back in the nineteen forties. Right.

859
01:15:14.079 --> 01:15:15.960
Another thing that I found, at
least with sightings, it seems like

860
01:15:16.199 --> 01:15:21.319
people are much more educated. Blue
Book said maybe ten percent of their sidings

861
01:15:21.399 --> 01:15:26.920
were unknowns, but these days,
I think it's a lot higher than that,

862
01:15:27.239 --> 01:15:30.880
especially people in a metro area where
they're used to seeing lights in the

863
01:15:30.960 --> 01:15:33.880
sky all day, so they're not
going to report something unless it's strange.

864
01:15:33.960 --> 01:15:38.600
Typically. Oh yeah, And you
know, I've had a lot of people

865
01:15:38.920 --> 01:15:42.760
tell me about things they've seen,
and some were pretty easily explained to something

866
01:15:42.840 --> 01:15:46.600
conventional that they just haven't seen much
before. But there are a number that

867
01:15:46.680 --> 01:15:55.680
are unexplained, and so you know, you've got to look at both sides

868
01:15:55.720 --> 01:15:58.119
of it. You can't just jump
to the conclusion that, hey, they

869
01:15:58.159 --> 01:16:00.159
said it was strange, so it
had to be a UFO. You wouldn't

870
01:16:00.159 --> 01:16:02.600
have any credibility if you went at
it that way either. You've got to

871
01:16:04.000 --> 01:16:06.920
come at it with a very open
mind that it could be either way,

872
01:16:06.960 --> 01:16:13.880
and then gather evidence and come to
a good evaluation. One thing I wanted

873
01:16:13.920 --> 01:16:15.479
to ask I was going to talk
about, you know, like you said,

874
01:16:15.520 --> 01:16:20.920
this administration doesn't seem to be interested
in disclosure. The last at the

875
01:16:21.319 --> 01:16:28.920
Clinton era, they were at least
researching it and not unfortunately getting anywhere,

876
01:16:28.960 --> 01:16:35.239
getting stonewalled. But a new administration, hopefully the right one, would maybe

877
01:16:35.399 --> 01:16:42.800
search that. But related to that
is the NASARA about some major changes and

878
01:16:42.880 --> 01:16:45.359
a lot of people don't know what
that is, and we're talking about that

879
01:16:45.920 --> 01:16:47.920
a little bit before the interview.
I want to do you want to describe

880
01:16:47.960 --> 01:16:51.960
what that is? Well? I
have I have really mixed feelings about NASARA

881
01:16:53.119 --> 01:16:58.439
and I just I really don't know
enough to know whether it's real. There's

882
01:16:58.439 --> 01:17:01.760
a lot of stuff on the Internet
about it. But National Economic Recovery and

883
01:17:01.840 --> 01:17:08.760
Stabilization Act, and it's supposed to
restore us to constitutional government and restore sound

884
01:17:08.840 --> 01:17:13.840
money, gold based money, et
cetera. It sounds good. I hope

885
01:17:13.880 --> 01:17:18.119
it's real. And there's been a
lot of Internet chatter even this week about

886
01:17:18.159 --> 01:17:24.680
it, so you know, just
do some Google searches. I try to

887
01:17:24.720 --> 01:17:30.760
remember the the website. It's supposed
to be the official website of NISARA,

888
01:17:30.840 --> 01:17:32.399
But there's been a lot of a
lot of chatter on that, and a

889
01:17:32.439 --> 01:17:39.279
lot of chatter about as soon as
that's announced and they get a standdown order

890
01:17:39.359 --> 01:17:45.800
on the military shootdown orders that we're
supposed to have massive flyovers and sightings and

891
01:17:45.880 --> 01:17:49.640
landing events and and all of that
stuff, and it will be a very

892
01:17:50.039 --> 01:17:57.800
overt first contact. Again, a
lot of that's coming through channel sources,

893
01:17:57.920 --> 01:18:02.600
so mm hmm. I'll you know, I'm keeping an eye out, I'm

894
01:18:02.600 --> 01:18:09.159
carrying a camera, but I'm not
telling everybody that it absolutely positively is going

895
01:18:09.239 --> 01:18:14.600
to happen, because I don't know
that I really have an open mind at

896
01:18:14.640 --> 01:18:18.399
this point. And researching as much
as I can and keeping an eye out,

897
01:18:18.479 --> 01:18:24.439
but we'll see what happens. But
yeah, I'll have that link up

898
01:18:24.479 --> 01:18:28.239
also because if that's true, I
mean that sorry, I think it's n

899
01:18:28.319 --> 01:18:32.600
E s A r A or is
any s r A. It's really interesting

900
01:18:32.760 --> 01:18:38.680
stuff so and hopefully hopefully there's some
truth to it. Yeah, you go

901
01:18:38.800 --> 01:18:43.680
to the snoops dot com or some
of those and they'll the myth buster sites

902
01:18:43.680 --> 01:18:51.199
and they'll claim that it's all a
fraud. But what better way to create

903
01:18:51.279 --> 01:18:56.199
this information than to put it on
one of those sites. I mean you

904
01:18:56.319 --> 01:19:00.239
look at look up UFOs on those
sites, and they'll say that that's all

905
01:19:00.840 --> 01:19:08.800
a fraud too, or it doesn't
really exist. So you just can't believe

906
01:19:08.880 --> 01:19:13.479
much of anything. You've got to
just find out for yourself. If you

907
01:19:13.600 --> 01:19:17.680
were to give advice to someone in
the public who's interested in the field,

908
01:19:17.960 --> 01:19:24.239
or maybe they're just a little afraid
but they want to do more investigation,

909
01:19:24.760 --> 01:19:28.359
what advice would you give them?
Okay, Well, a good place to

910
01:19:28.399 --> 01:19:32.239
start is to go to the c
Sety website c se TI dot org and

911
01:19:32.800 --> 01:19:40.279
look at doctor Girr's position papers and
you've got a good background actually a good

912
01:19:40.319 --> 01:19:44.600
portion of his book is on the
website for free. You can also get

913
01:19:44.640 --> 01:19:49.840
the books Extraterrestrial Contact The Evidence of
Implications is the first book. His second

914
01:19:49.880 --> 01:19:55.680
book is Disclosure, And I understand
he's just about to come out with his

915
01:19:55.840 --> 01:20:02.159
third book, which names names and
takes no hostages. He got a little

916
01:20:02.199 --> 01:20:09.079
tired of being kicked around and so
he just he's cutting loose on his third

917
01:20:09.119 --> 01:20:14.840
book and it's going to be very
very illuminating as to who's behind a lot

918
01:20:14.880 --> 01:20:19.359
of this stuff. He names names
and corporations and people and exactly what their

919
01:20:19.399 --> 01:20:30.640
connections are to the covert government,
the m J twelve cabal, and I'm

920
01:20:30.640 --> 01:20:33.960
sure there's gonna be a big stir
when that comes out. So he states

921
01:20:34.000 --> 01:20:39.439
he believes that the m J twelve
exists. Yeah, they've been through several

922
01:20:39.560 --> 01:20:44.239
name changes p I forty and some
other things, but it's basically an outgrowth

923
01:20:44.319 --> 01:20:50.520
of the original Majestic twelve was the
was twelve top scientists from different disciplines that

924
01:20:50.960 --> 01:21:00.359
vanavar Bush put together to study the
UFO debris from Roswell and others, and

925
01:21:00.800 --> 01:21:05.439
out of that they it expanded.
There were more people involved, but they

926
01:21:06.119 --> 01:21:12.439
basically took a black ops covert and
out of the constitutional chain of command and

927
01:21:12.520 --> 01:21:18.479
oversight. Eisenhower early on was was
involved and knew what was going on.

928
01:21:18.640 --> 01:21:24.000
He saw some of the stuff.
One of our witnesses, Brigadier General Stephen

929
01:21:24.079 --> 01:21:29.680
Lufkin, who's still to this day
of practicing JAG attorney in the in the

930
01:21:29.960 --> 01:21:34.800
Guard, was on Eisenhower's staff in
the White House back then, and he

931
01:21:35.520 --> 01:21:42.159
actually handled some of the materials from
Roswell. Tiny eye beams with Magenna hieroglyphic

932
01:21:42.239 --> 01:21:45.600
looking symbols on it, and metal
that you could crumple up and it would

933
01:21:45.640 --> 01:21:49.279
pop back out and stuff. And
they took him downstairs and passed this box

934
01:21:49.359 --> 01:21:53.640
around and were talking about it,
and then they asked what it was and

935
01:21:53.680 --> 01:21:57.680
they told him. So he's actually
handled it. He's one of our witnesses.

936
01:21:57.840 --> 01:22:00.800
And you know, as a as
an attorney with a professional license,

937
01:22:00.920 --> 01:22:04.880
just like I'm a pilot with a
professional license. If we're perpetrating a hoax

938
01:22:04.960 --> 01:22:11.840
on the public, then we're subject
to losing our professional credentials. And he

939
01:22:12.000 --> 01:22:18.239
sticks to his story. So another
one Vanovar Bush's secretary is also a witness.

940
01:22:19.520 --> 01:22:23.359
And all of this you could also
I think the executive summary is free

941
01:22:23.399 --> 01:22:29.119
to download, isn't it. I
believe the Executive Summary last I checked was

942
01:22:29.159 --> 01:22:34.159
free to download for people who were
c SETY members. I think that was

943
01:22:34.199 --> 01:22:38.239
in the members only section, but
that could have changed. I don't know.

944
01:22:39.399 --> 01:22:42.359
And even if you can't get it
for free, I'm purchase that you

945
01:22:42.399 --> 01:22:45.399
can purchase it for I think it's
only like five bucks or something. That's

946
01:22:45.439 --> 01:22:48.359
not much, which has got some
great information and witness testimony. Actually,

947
01:22:48.439 --> 01:22:55.239
that executive briefing, well there's the
executive Summary and then the Disclosure Project briefing,

948
01:22:56.079 --> 01:23:00.279
And we gave that entire five hundred
page briefing document to every single Senator

949
01:23:00.359 --> 01:23:05.119
and congressman, hand delivered to their
offices and at the very least got to

950
01:23:05.199 --> 01:23:09.800
their staff. So they cannot deny
that it did not come to their offices,

951
01:23:10.359 --> 01:23:13.000
every single one, and not a
single one of them had the courage

952
01:23:13.039 --> 01:23:15.359
to do anything about it. Do
you think it shocked some of them or

953
01:23:15.399 --> 01:23:17.720
do you think some of them knew, or do you think some of them

954
01:23:18.199 --> 01:23:25.560
disbelieve? Maybe some of all all
of the above, m But unfortunately nobody

955
01:23:25.720 --> 01:23:29.760
did anything about it. Really Yeah, I mean, well even Jerry Ford

956
01:23:30.720 --> 01:23:35.000
called for hearings when he was a
congressman and he went on to be president.

957
01:23:35.119 --> 01:23:40.319
But everybody's afraid that if they take
on the subject that they'll be their

958
01:23:40.359 --> 01:23:46.159
careers down the tubes, and so
nobody's willing to take it on a right

959
01:23:46.680 --> 01:23:49.239
So that was my interview. Of
course, the audio is a little rocky.

960
01:23:49.279 --> 01:23:54.600
I'm sure i'll get some people complaining. Unfortunately, there are some people

961
01:23:54.640 --> 01:23:58.640
who are difficult to satisfy. Even
though you know, I do my best

962
01:23:58.720 --> 01:24:02.520
to provide this stuff and you have
the best audio available. Some people get

963
01:24:02.560 --> 01:24:06.880
a little unhappy when everything isn't perfect, but hey, you know, it's

964
01:24:06.920 --> 01:24:11.079
better than nothing. And the cool
thing is, I think it gives it

965
01:24:11.920 --> 01:24:15.560
to me. It was kind of
fun to listen to because it gave it.

966
01:24:15.640 --> 01:24:19.239
It sounds older and kind of fun
that way, and it's different from

967
01:24:19.520 --> 01:24:24.359
the every day But that's how I
felt about it. I don't know if

968
01:24:24.399 --> 01:24:28.279
you'll agree, but I hope you
do, and I hope you really enjoyed

969
01:24:28.319 --> 01:24:32.039
the interview. In fact, I
should say an update and all the stuff

970
01:24:32.079 --> 01:24:34.640
he was talking about. By the
way, you can find a Disclosure project

971
01:24:34.720 --> 01:24:38.880
dot com. If you go to
media you can download a lot of those

972
01:24:38.960 --> 01:24:43.600
files. From doctor Greer some of
the and on the right hand side it

973
01:24:43.680 --> 01:24:46.960
looks like they have links also,
so some really good stuff. Doctor Greer

974
01:24:47.039 --> 01:24:54.880
has certainly straight away from sticking to
just the real credible speakers, He now

975
01:24:55.399 --> 01:25:00.159
kind of gets into a lot of
different stuff. In fact, recently he

976
01:25:00.399 --> 01:25:08.960
says he might have access to an
extraterrestrial body, which he was an emergency

977
01:25:09.039 --> 01:25:13.640
room doctor, and he's going there's
a doctor bravo. He said that he's

978
01:25:13.720 --> 01:25:17.520
going to go have examined this body
so they can take a look and see

979
01:25:17.720 --> 01:25:24.760
if perhaps it is really extraterrestrial,
and if so, I hope they do

980
01:25:25.960 --> 01:25:30.960
the due diligence around that to confirm
that and then also share that with the

981
01:25:31.000 --> 01:25:35.119
public, because of course that would
be quite the big deal. There isn't

982
01:25:35.159 --> 01:25:41.760
much history about how this body was
acquired, but hopefully we'll hear that soon.

983
01:25:41.960 --> 01:25:45.520
He's raising money to make a documentary
and I know he wants to have

984
01:25:45.640 --> 01:25:50.439
it part of that documentary. And
so that's an update on doctor Greer and

985
01:25:50.640 --> 01:25:56.560
what he's up to. Otherwise,
I want to thank you all so much

986
01:25:56.680 --> 01:26:00.840
for joining me again. On next
weekend, we are having Scottie Roberts.

987
01:26:00.920 --> 01:26:06.199
If I've got the name right,
and he does Intrepid Magazine. It's a

988
01:26:06.359 --> 01:26:12.600
paranormal magazine about all kinds of different
stuff. So if you've seen it,

989
01:26:12.680 --> 01:26:17.880
you know they've got some great artworks
on it. And Scotti does there.

990
01:26:18.439 --> 01:26:25.680
And also Micah who we had on
before. He's part of Intrepid Magazine.

991
01:26:25.720 --> 01:26:28.560
But yeah, we'll be talking to
Scottie Roberts. He sounds like a neat

992
01:26:28.600 --> 01:26:32.119
guy and I'm really excited to be
interviewing him. So don't forget to join

993
01:26:32.199 --> 01:26:39.239
me next week. Visit ufodailynews dot
com for the latest UFO news. Don't

994
01:26:39.279 --> 01:26:45.000
forget the stories I mentioned earlier you
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995
01:26:45.880 --> 01:26:51.039
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996
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