So, what's your favorite track on an album? Side two? I don't
have a favorite track. I love. I still think that it was one
of the best engineered albums out there. You are about to be trampled underfoot,
just the way Side two just seamlessly flows from beginning to end, I
mean, and all of these tunes were recorded at different times in maybe in
the same studio, maybe not, but just different people, different times,
and then they just blended it together seamlessly, and I really dig it well,
they always have. They They were very resentful, especially John Lennon of
Side two of Abbey Road, because it was Paul McCartney's idea to stitch together
this whole epic sort of you know, song after soong and whatnot, like
a rock opera as it were, and John just wanted to do straight up
rock and roll. But um, you know, they went with Paul's thing
because Paul always had the ideas. A lot of people don't consider that,
yeah, but historically these guys, yeah, John Lennon said he became psychedelic
before Paul. But Paul was experimenting with sound loops and stuff way before John
was doing that. So you know, not to discredit John Lennon was badass,
of course, but Paul McCartney was like, on it, man,
you know so yeah, and just that it all blended together so well.
Different tempos, different rhythms, different instruments, it all just blended together so
well that I think it would have been wrong to release it any other way.
It just would not have had the same impact that, you know,
because I mean, you have the definite track, per track, per track
per track. On side one, you know, you can put you can
put the needle down anywhere on side one and listen to a song and then
pick up the needle. But side two you have to start at the beginning
and listen from beginning to end. I mean, I just can't imagine listening
to it any other way. Funny fact about the cover, they couldn't decide
on how the cover would be, and one day they just said, you
know, it was time to shoot something and said, well, we'll just
walk across the street and take a picture like that and that'll be the cover.
Because at that point they were feeling the pressures of, you know,
the logistics side of things being in a big, famous, powerful rock and
roll band, and it was coming to an end, as you know as
we know. So they went out, took a few walks across the Abbey
Road and I don't know whether they called it Abbey Road prior or afterwards,
but I do know that, Um, they did that. They snapped the
picture, the classic one we all know, and it became the cover,
which I think. You know, sometimes forcing the creativity is not is necessary
a lot of times, but forcing creativity sometimes you should go with the flow
of what you're doing and not double think yourself. They went walked across.
It's an iconic image and it is, yeah, I think so. And
another thing, the way the way they did that, they were walking with
a certain people read into it. They said it wasn't true, but they
people read into it. So in that picture of them walking across the abbey
Road, and it was from the street across going back to Abbey Road if
you remember right, um, you have George Harrison dressed in jeans, you
know, and all that, and they said that he resembled or he was
iconic to or iconic too. It was sort of like, uh, the
what would you call it? Um? Well, the story the story that
I heard at the time, they said it was the grave Digger, the
grave digger. Are you are you going? Is that where you were going?
That's exactly where I was going. Okay. Yeah, John Lennon is
dressed like a preacher. M Um, God, I'm trying to remember what
they said. Ringo was dressed as he was, the driver, the them,
the mortuary guy, the what what's his name? The undertaker, the
undertaker okay, and then Paul being barefoot, being the dead guy, being
the dead guy. Yeah, I remember that, Paul said in a subsequent
interview, when he was pressed on the issue, he said, you know,
people say this, people say that, and I think people Paul did
that a lot and still does it a lot, and and frankly he says,
sometimes, you know, I run into people they know our story better
than I do because it's been said so many times. But he said,
people, you know, think too much of it. I just it was.
He says, it was a hot day, so I walked across barefoot
because it was kind of hot. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
So it's like, you can't really he tries to create more controversy than right.
Well, but that wasn't the only time that that had happened, you
know, Um, if you remember the cover of the the album Help,
where they're all standing there in semaphore flags and you ask people, well,
what is that. The people who know that there is semaphore will tell you,
oh, well, they're spelling out help, and that's not what it
spells out. That. They had them take a photo spelling out the word
help in semaphore, but when it came time to do the shot, they
said it just didn't look good, it didn't look right. So they decided
to go ahead and just, you know, have them hold their arms in
something that looked decent. Yeah, but if you it just happened as it
happened. They spelled out nvuj and immediately people said, well that means John
is dead, and what that means is new vocalist unknown John. Oh,
that's another one of them, was another one, Yeah, and that was
when that came out sixty five. But I don't remember which one of them
it was, but one of them said in an interview that they've all been
dead one time or another. Yeah, So that's I didn't know that one
actually. Yeah. The one with Rubber Soul is interesting because Rubber Soul was,
by the way, a big shift in the way they recorded songs and
wrote them and stuff. But what happened was that they took a picture and
they all looked at it, and I was like, yeah, you know,
but wouldn't it be cool if it had some sort of distortion to it?
Oh? No, they it took. They took. So the guy
took the picture, the photographer did, and they put it on the at
you know, viewer that they had back then, so they could see the
you know, the slides on a bigger screen. But the slide kind of
sort of folded the sheet of you know, the image folded a little bit
and it elongated their face and the Beatles said, yeah, that's what we
want, and everybody that was there was like, yeah, but that ain't
Yeah, yeah, we want it like that and things like that. Yeah,
little things like that contributed to psychedelia because it came out. People see
it and they're like, oh, I want to do that, and then
you start seeing all these groovy So a lot of things that the Beatles contributed
to music that folks aren't necessarily aware of. But that Abbey Road cover was
probably I mean, I remember, heck I had one. Just about everybody
had a poster of that cover up on the Wall. It was just just
super super iconic, so much so that in the it was either the late
nineties or the early to mid two thousands. Over in the UK, there's
a huge anti smoking campaign going on over there still to this day. They
went so far as to airbrush the cigarette out of Paul McCartney's hand on which
album on Abbey Road. Look at the old cover, he's he has a
cigarette in his hand pointing down. They are brushed it out on the new
cover. You don't see that. That sucks just for the content, you
know, continuity of you know what it was. It's like having Clint Eastwood
in one of his spaghetti westerns and like he's sitting there with a cigar and
you know, the pistola and they and they it's gone and it's gone.
I mean soon the pistola will be gone and he'll be holding a cone,
you know what I'm saying, He'll be back, a little snow cone.
Well, we talk about the Beatles a lot, and I know we do,
but we'll kind of let me kind of pull it out of there just
a little bit here, because what I want to try to do from now
on, and folks, I don't know This is an experiment, so we're
going to see. What I want to do once a week is try to
come up with something that just kind of kind of blow Elloy's mind, and
we'll see if it does it or not. This all started a few episodes
back when we were talking about people making covers of music, and we were
talking about that song by Harry Nilson without You, I Can't Live Yes,
that one, and Mariah Carey did a cover of it, and I just
absolutely blew you away when I said Harry Nielsen's version was a cover as well,
that it was originally done by Bad Finger, and you just went no,
no, no, in no way, and you had to look it
up here live and I thought, well, let me. I wonder if
I could do that again. So I'm gonna kind of flash back to another
episode where you and I had the discussion about Jimmy Hendrix and Stevie Ray and
I found a little Jimmy Hendricks tidbit. Maybe you know it, maybe you
don't, but it's basically a quote from Jimmy in an interview that was done
in nineteen sixty eight and he was asked, who do you look up to
as a guitarist? Who do you think is a real good guitarist? And
he said, well, oh, go ahead, no you know why because
you want to know if I know it? But but go ahead, can
you phrase it so that and then I try to answer, Okay, Well,
he said that this guitarist quote is the best guitarist around. Do you
know who he was talking about? So he had, Uh, he liked
Eric Clapton a lot. Um, it's not Eric Clapton though, No,
Um, I know that. I'm gonna know it when you say it,
which is I'm gonna throw a few hints out. This guy had a band
back then. He was seventeen years old, and he toured on with Jimmy
Hendrix um Rory first his first American tour. Was it something Gallagher Gallagher or
no? Um, This guitarist left that band. The band was called the
Moving Sidewalks was it something? Uh? That band broke up not long afterwards,
like nineteen sixty nine, early nineteen sixty nine, and he he got
together and formed another band that he's still in fifty years later, that he's
still into this day, fifty to this day, fifty years later. You've
not heard of the first band, Moving Sidewalks everybody has heard of this other
band, everybody. And the guy was from England. No, he was
not from England. Where was he from the US? Okay, I'm thinking,
I'm thinking Randy California. I think that that was the name, or
I may I may get that name wrong. Remember that guy? No,
I don't. As a matter of fact. Yeah, I think it was
Randy. We'll check later. Or it was something to do with a state
and the name. But um, and he's super famous. Yeah, oh
yeah, he's like very famous. Like I will know him. You will
know him, do I Like I would. I would be shocked if you
didn't. I mean I would be absolutely floored. I think you like him?
Yeah, mum. Like as I said, they toured together through nineteen
sixty eight, and in fact, he tells a story about Um. Let's
see, I was seventeen years old and on tour with Jimmy. Every night
we would get into a motel and we would stay at the end of the
hall. He would stay with his bedroom door open. He'd be in there
listening to the first Jeff back album and he asked me how the heck does
Jeff do all of this, to which I replied replied believe even Jeff is
sitting in a room right now listening to your album, asking asking himself,
how the heck you do what you do? Okay, so let's do something.
I'm just gonna I'm gonna shoot off what the crowd is talking, uh,
you know, answering. And we've got Dave Billy Gret What that's Patrick?
Geez? Patrick's stay on topic? Man, come on even on the
show. Um, that's actually my fault, but I'm including him in the
air. Their um. Peter Ham says Dave gotten. Snow Crusher throws out
Buddy Guy and snow Crusher has a he's very infused. So he's got Bill
Billy GiB Gibbons, Um, and he's got Texas. I don't know how.
And then Harju says Paco, Paco, Lucio Lucia. Nope, Um,
they're all off. Well, I can tell you one of them is
right, one of them is absolutely correct. So I'm gonna go with um
snow Crushers, Billy Gibbons. Billy Gibbons is the right answer. From zz
Top. He was lead guitarist for a group called The Moving Sidewalks. He
was seventeen and they hung out. They toured moving sidewalks opened up for for
Jamie Hennock's experience on their first US tour. Well, I didn't know that,
Daniel Harju says, low just throwing out name snow crusher. You know
the problem with snow crusher is that he was He was grabbing a bunch of
rocks and throwing it at the window. He knows that one of those pebbles
is gonna smash that window. But no, but he got it. But
he got it right. You said, where's he from? And I'm watching
it pop up and I'm trying not to comment or make anything like that.
But yes, it was Billy Gibbons. He is from Texas. They've gotten
wanted to make sure that he wasn't included in the in this the bocle,
so he said. Peter ham was for the without You song, he said,
But he's absolutely right. Peter ham was. I can't remember if he
wrote all of the lyrics or most of the lyrics, but he wrote he
wrote the music, yeah, and at least some of the lyrics to that
song. Peter Hamm was an excellent performer too, and doesn't get enough credit
for some of the work he did. They're best known for some of their
tunes bad Finger we're talking about they're best known for some of their tunes that
happened during that stage where everybody was kind of trying to copy and sound like
the Beatles. But Peter Ham was an excellent, excellent guitarist, an excellent
performer. I mean that that was a kicking group. Okay, so it
didn't blow your mind, um, but it's you know, I really dig
on little things like that. Who who would have ever thought that Jimmy Hendricks
and Billy Gibbons not only shared a stage but toured together. Yeah, I
didn't know that that before they created zz Top and went on to other things.
Well, I mean, heck, it's a good story. He can
always tell because Jimmy Hendricks, if you can pull that out of your hat.
And by the way, one time, Jimmy Hendricks and I that's that's
a And by the way, Jimmy Hendricks was like twenty seven when he passed
away, so he's talking about basically a kid, you know. And um,
if you can go on Google and you can look it up, you
know, Billy Gibbons and Jimmy Hendrix and there's a photo they're on this one
particular page of everybody in the moving sidewalks standing there with Jimmy Hendricks and Billy
Gibbons and stay the right next to him. And he had the little little
peach fuzzy beard on. He was seventeen years old, a little peach fuzzy
beard. That's kind of fun. I've got one for you. That's not
like a shock necessarily, but it's a little story, h within what we're
talking about. So John Lennon was with Yoko Ono. We all know that,
but at this point in the story that I'm about to tell you,
guys, and they were in New York and they were going to do a
show. Frank Zappa was also in town. And Frank Zappa is quite the
individual, you know. And if you ever look into Frank Zappa for your
folks out there, which you probably have, but he his story is pretty
into. His books are pretty cool. Um the biography. He's got one
and it's like you wouldn't expect the area and the thing. It's a great
book. I forget the name of the book, but it's him growing up
out in the desert because that's where it's a mix, a strange mix of
like desert landscape nineteen fifties desert landscape. Usually when you watch like movies or
stuff of fifties, it's usually hometown America in a nice green you know what
I'm saying. Environment. Well, his book opens up in the strangest of
circumstances, in the middle of the desert, where he grew up with um,
that other famous somewhat famous musician from boy what was the name they did,
trout Mask Replica. Um, he was a psychedelic kind of guy.
He's still around, by the way. Look up the the album trout Mask
Replica and the singer of that where they both grew up together. Okay,
and so anyhow, back to I think New York, Zappa's staying at a
hotel room and Um, John Lennon wanted to meet Zappa and along with Yoko,
and Zappa had no idea. The managers set it up to really shock
Zappa. So Zappa comes up and oh, Daniel har Captain beat Yep,
so it was Captain Beefheart and he died two years ago, so thanks thanks
for that, harju um. So, so the manager set it up and
they say, okay, we're gonna go to Frank Zappa's U hotel room,
and he's gonna flip when he sees John Lennon is at his door, and
they John Lennon knocks at his door. Frank Zappa gets up. He says,
I don't know what I was just smoking cigarettes on the couch watching TV.
He gets up, walks over, opens the door and it's John Lennon
and and I don't remember the quote that John Lennon said to Zappa, but
it was meant to like sort of shock. And John Lennon said, oh,
hey, how are you doing? You want to you want to stay
standing there? You can come in if you like. He was very nonchalant
about it, like he could give a hoot about And so the managers like,
wait a second, it's John Lennon's yeah, come in, and they
sat down. Well, they got John asked them if he wanted to,
um, it was either one of the two. Forgive me, because I'm
paraphrasing of what I remember. It was either going to be a Frank Zappa
short. No, it was a John Lennon show. So he said,
would you like to join us on stage? So they worked out a bit
from one of Zappa's things, and they agreed that any songs that they worked
together would be titled accordingly. Right, So they went and did the show
they recorded, Zappa was up there and everything, and Zappa had named that
song and it was a Zappa song that they had worked out. And later
the album comes out. Zappa tells the story later on, I think in
the eighties later eighties, and he said, all of a sudden John Lennon
album comes out. I think it was on some time in New York or
something, and he says, not only did John not give me credit,
he took credit for writing a song and he changed the name of the song.
I wasn't very happy about that. And so he mentioned one of those
little situations amongst musicians, you know, and that kind of happened. So
it's an interesting little insight into the into their world. Zappa was definitely his
own man. He was not impressed by celebrity. He was not impressed by
celebrity at all. Man. And a lot of people don't realize he wasn't
a druggie. Let's say, he was totally against that though. I think,
well, he was definitely a smoker, and um, I don't know
about alcohol. I don't think he did any of that. He was very
uh and yet he was super psychedelic. And the last thing I'll say about
Zappa is if you want to see his earliest video recording, he went on
a show back in the fifties maybe sixties, probably early, and he's a
young kid. He looked awkward and he shows up on this variety show and
he brings a bicycle with instead of you've seen that one, yeah, with
the drumsticks, yes, And he proceeds to use this to create a piece
a live sort of like hitting the sticks against the sides of the bike,
and you know, and so even at that age, you know, he
had to keep himself entertained living in the lonely desert, right, so he
had his particulars. So that would be an interesting look. If you ever
want to check out that that video, I think that you'll find it interesting.
And he he one up did a few years later when he appeared on
the TV show The Monkeys, and he with a sledgehammer and he played the
car. He just basically beat the heck out of this old car. Is
him and Mike Nesmith. You know, Zappa did all the swinging, but
Nesmith was there with him just kind of you know, tapping his foot along
and just having a good old time. It's just just a little brief,
two minute thing. Yeah, if you if you search Zappa on YouTube particularly,
there's a lot of interesting content that in retrospect back in the in the
day, I don't think that I would have cared either way. I mean
I might have watched a little thing here and there, but looking at it
historically, the things he was saying and stuff, he had a particular way
about him so very interesting. Yeah. He was definitely his own man,
always experimenting, always recording. I mean the guy would just jump up out
of bed at two thirty in the morning, go down to the studio,
grab a guitar and put something down on tape that was driving him up a
tree. And it may get used in something, it may never get used
in anything, but he had to get it out of his head. And
as far as I know, his family is still going through his recordings years
after he passed because he just had so many, yeah, and I mean
recordings of gigs, concerts, studio stuff that never saw the lighted day.
I mean they could create album upon album of tracks that he has just buried
in in his archive that never came out for one reason or another. Maybe
he didn't think it was finished, or it wasn't polished enough, or he
just didn't like it. He was the final judge on what got What of
his has got released? Yeah, just like Prince, he's got volumes of
unreleased they say unreleased recordings. I mean, yeah, he does. And
I don't know a lot of that stuff. I think sometimes that their wishes
should be respected in that if they didn't want it released, it shouldn't be.
But other things I think maybe should be. You know, some of
these old sessions, especially concerts or gigs or what have you, I'd love
to hear them. In the early nineties, there was this big opening up
of the Jimi Hendrix volts throughout the eighties and into the nineties. Incidentally,
but in the nineties the estate was granted, you know. I think the
story was that they were fighting it and it was in legal issues, and
eventually so they proceeded to put out a bunch of different new material that Jimi
Hendrix had recorded but not finished, and in many cases they brought in musicians
to actually finished these songs. So fans are treated to songs that are not
that are finished after the fact, and you know, it's not necessarily his
best stuff, but it isn't an insight and it's good that it's there.
They came out with a Jimmie Hendrix Blues album, which I thought was fantastic.
A lot of Jimmy Hendrix spent a lot of time or at least a
session with his band on the BBC Radio recording live his tracks. Their subpar.
The quality is high as far as the crispiness of the recording, but
it's unpolished, and you know, it is what it is. It was
a live recording, so you have a lot of that stuff out there available
now that you didn't have access to all throughout the seventies sixties, which is
exciting stuff. So as far as I think, I think it's good that
they release it. But most people, you know, I like the fact
that we can dig deeper into these, you know, these characters from you
know, years gone by and explore, you know, out of out of
a curiosity and respect, you know, yeah, yeah, and you know
there comes a little bit there's a little bit of a judgment call involved there
as well, and that what did they want to keep private? I mean,
because these are just people, we put them up on a pedestal,
and yeah, they have a lot of celebrity, but there's got to be
something they're personal and private. They didn't want it out. I think that
wish should should be respected. But then again, there are other things that
as you say, you know that Jimmy didn't finish that. They brought in
other musicians to kind of finish up and polish up or something like that.
But you also if you look at something like the Beatles song Free as a
Bird, that's a good example. Actually, that was a cassette that was
found in Yoko found this cassette in their recorder of John on the Piano,
and she got a hold of George Paul and Ringo and got them all together
and they cleaned it up and cleaned it and cleaned it and cleaned it because
it was a very crappy recording, and they released it. Oh my gosh,
I'm trying to remember when they released it. That wasn't the early That
wasn't either. That was like the early two thousands, I want to say,
or early nineties or nineties. Oh man, I gotta look it up
here. The interesting thing about what you're saying there that's a great example of
Okay. So I bought that, to be honest with you, because they
came out and it's expensive because they had double these were two set CDs or
more and you had part one, part two and whatever. Um, and
I started buying them, and man, I was glued to them so bad
because they had tracks of the Beatles without the accompanying extra sounds. So you
had you had John Lennon playing fricking Uh what what what is it? Uh?
Mother superior rorge ump the gunyah, um, happiness is a warm gun.
This is the warm gun. Yeah, but just on acoustic, it
doesn't sound It sounds like the song eventually, but it doesn't because it's just
him on acoustic figuring out the song. That's priceless for a guitarist to listen
to, right, it's priceless. It's priceless to listen to him. I
was blue, I mean I was blown Oh that was I was blown away
when I heard that, dude. It was amazing. So, um boy,
why why were we saying that there was a reason? Oh because of
Free as a bird. Because of Free as a bird, We're basically what
it was was um okay, it was originally recorded in nineteen seventy seven seventy
seven by John Lennon, No what, Oh, Free, Free as a
Bird. It was just him sitting there on a piano recording it on their
cassette deck and um, let's see. In nineteen ninety five, Paul McCartney
George Harrison Ringo star asked Yoko for any unreleased stuff that she had hanging around
there that she thought John might like rereleased. That they were gonna get together
and collaborate one more time for an anthology album. Thank goodness, they did,
and they got Free as a Bird and another one called Real Love,
which they they had used in one of John Lennon's documentaries from the eighties before.
I don't know if you remember that VHS cassette of Imagine. I watched
that, dude so much that Imagine cassette I would or VHS so much,
dude, it was just from beginning to end. Well, they they actually
took that song Free as a Bird, and they made an album of it
itself. It was a short, a small album, wasn't a full thirty
three, but they used the original recording. The original nineteen seventy seven recording
is one track and then cleaned one cleaned up version, and then another cleaned
up version with some guitar and bass, and then another cleaned up version,
and finally the last version of the whole thing is the one that was released
to the public and put on the anthology album. So it's actually kind of
cool to be able to listen to the processing they did to it, and
if you listened, all of the vocals done on it kind of have a
kind of a quality to it. Yeah, because it was an old recording.
It was just an old, nasty recording, but they did that with
all of the instruments when they mixed it and then kind of evened it out
and smoothed it out, so you have John's vocals with that kind of a
waiver. That was because it was on a cassette, yeah, which actually
matched Beatles like and it did, and the instruments are nice and clear,
but all of the vocals kind of have that wavering quality to it. Yes,
which kind of you know it was It was nobody. It was totally
freaking awesome. But nobody would do that, um other than them, I
can't say nobody, but for the sake of what we're talking about, honestly
to decide to put up front messed up, screwed up vocals like that,
which, by the way, are awesome, But anybody listening would say,
we can't do anything with this, and they created such a awesome track,
it's like, yeah, that's that's some heavy duty stuff. A lot of
people were offended with it. I loved it. Yeah, Oh I loved
it too. Man. You got to figure though, these people are professionals,
and that's why professionals have jobs. Can take something like that and make
it excellent. Yeah, you know, guys like you and me who are
sitting here hacking around at home on a computer, we might be able to
do something a little bit with it, but not really going to be able
to run it through the specialized equipment and software that they have, you know,
I mean, unless you're sitting on a sixty four track theatrical mixer and
I don't know about it, you know well to I mean, it's more
to do, not that it can't be done if you if you, you
know, do mixing and recording. It's the fact of even deciding to accept
it as possible or even worthy of release preemptively before you even do any of
the work on it, saying we're going to turn this mess of a cassette
into a beautiful and they did it, man, they did it right.
Yeah, yeah, on the same on the flip side. Just since we're
talking kind of roundabout beetle stuff. Another thing you should check out on the
internet if you've not done so, on YouTube is John Lennon and Yoko Oko
Yoko ogo I did one of your and yokoh no, Yoko Yoko um.
They joined Chuck Berry back sometime in the in the early seventies, mid seventies
for a jam, and you have these videos on YouTube, and you gotta
check it out because when they join them, and you know, you have
Chuck Berry, that lanky tall guy and John there they're singing you know,
long distance information, you know, and they're singing his songs. Well,
Chuck Berry had no idea. And it's captured on film and you gotta see
this if you can look it up. But Chuck Berry is singing to the
microphone. Lennon is also close to the microphone. They're singing. It sounds
beautiful, it sounds rock and roll, it's awesome. And Yoko goes back
there and she's hitting on a drum. So Chuck Berry's okay with that,
because okay, it's she's she's on the drum. And then she goes in
the middle of long distance information. Dude, in the middle of long distance
information. Dude in the middle it's And it's like when I say, and
you have to see this video because Chuck Berry would have to look for it.
You have to look at it at Chuck's face, because Chuck does this
like like contortion with his face. Like as a musician, he was like
press stop on the record button. Bob Chuck Barry, excellent guitarist, fabulous
performer, mister rock and roll, one of the inventors, all right,
was not a nice man. He was not a nice man. Um.
There used to be a video on YouTube. I think it got pulled down
because I haven't been able to find it and I've been looking for it for
over a year. Of it was a behind the scenes thing. Somebody had
a camera rolling. It was Chuck Berry and Keith Richards and they were gonna
play I want to say it was Johnny be Good. It was either Johnny
be Good or it was maybe Lane, one of the two, and they
would Chuck Berry would just get going in it, and Keith Richard would join
in, and Chuck Berry would stop everything and just start cussing him up one
side and down the other. No, you stupid, so ob you come
in here and it sounds like this, and you do this, try it
again, and I mean he did everything but punch him, but I mean
just and it got to the point to where Keith Richard was just laughing about
it because it's like, look at let's see how much we can get this
guy to go off it. It was pretty funny. Now I have not
been able to find it, and like I said, a little over a
year so I don't know if he got pulled down or what. But it
was hilarious to watch, kind of cringe e but hilarious by its own right.
But he was not a nice man. He was not a nice man
at all. I do want to say that, along with Chuck Barriott,
kind of an unsung hero was his bass player. I believe he'd used the
upright bass Yeah. Does anybody out there know the name of that bass player?
I believe the last name was Cox. Sure. And he wrote,
also co wrote and all that good stuff with Barry at times. So he's
another guy that was you know of the of of that time, and um,
I don't know that he has the recognition nowadays. Let's say, now
we kind of got on to the subject kind of Piper peripheral lye about collaborates,
you know, talking about Chuck Berry and John Lennon and then John Lennon
and Frank Zapp and what have you. I don't think I've ever asked you
what about your attitude on supergroups where you take you know you have Like,
for instance, in the late eighties early nineties, there was a supergroup that
formed for just a little while called Damn Yankees. I remember them, you
know, Ted Nugent. I believe it was Tommy Shaw. Was it Dynis
d Young. I'm gonna show my ignorance here. It was either Dennis d
Young or Tommy Shaw from Stakes. Anyway, a whole bunch of them got
together and you had that supergroup. Then you also had the Traveling Traveling Woolberries.
Now, the Traveling Woolberries to me were just absolutely kicking. I absolutely
loved it everything that they did. I mean, when you've got George Harrison,
Jeff Lynn, Tom Petty, Bob, Dylan Roy Orbison, I don't
think you can go wrong, yeah, myself, but I don't think we've
ever talked about that. There's a couple of things with that. So the
problem with super groups is that there's a lot of It's kind of like too
many chefs in the kitchen. That doesn't necessarily it's not necessarily a rule of
thumb that that would cause problems, but it and I'm not talking about personality
problems. I'm talking about musically, because you have the situation where so typically
a band like the Beatles, although we think of them as all super powerfully
creative, and they were, you had roles that people set themselves into and
others agreed to silently, you know, subconsciously throughout their history, and they
functioned as a unit with everybody in their sort of seat. You get people
from supergroups gathering together. You know, everybody's got a lot to contribute,
and all of a sudden, it could happen that you'll have a killer song
or two or three because you know they're focused. But a lot of the
members of that supergroup could have a situation where like, well, I don't
want to be imposing, so they don't give all that they got because they
don't want to overtake, and then some others go for the ego well you
know, no, yeah, I gotta we gotta do this, and so
between that it could create a less than you know, lustful you know,
um you know production or or you know, actual song in itself. The
production can be awesome. But so I think that that's one of the problems
with supergroups. I mean, yeah, yeah, and that may be why
they're so short lived. And I just had to look it up. It
was Tommy Shaw from Sticks. It was Tommy Shaw, Jack Blades from Night
Ranger, Ted Nugent, and Michael Cardoloni. And that may be why some
of these groups are so short lived, as you have that fight of egos.
Yeah, but I think the I think the whole thing with the Traveling
Wilbury's, they may have been the exception to the rule because all of them
were I mean, the big mover and shaker behind that was behind them was
Tom Petty. He wanted to put it together. Tom Petty and Jeff Lynn
were fairly decent friends and U and got a hold of George Harrison kind of.
Jeff Lynne got a hold of George Harrison and they just kind of put
it all together. And getting Roy Orbison to join along, and they recorded
the They recorded two albums, and I don't remember if roy Orbison was on
the second album or not. He may have been on one or two cuts,
but I know Roy Orbison was in one of the music videos from the
first album, and then he passed away before they recorded the second video from
the first album. Yeah, so in his place, they all traded back
and forth lines of the various verses, and in the yes, Handle with
Care, Doc Hildebrand jumped in in Handle with Care. When it came to
the section where roy orbis and was singing, they had a empty rocking chair
with a guitar sitting in it, and it was kind of rocking back and
forth and on his lines, they kind of panned over to a photo of
Roy Orbison in a frame sitting on a table, you know, so it's
kind of acknowledging him, keeping him alive in the band and what have you.
But he passed away before they could shoot that video. But I don't
remember if he was on the second album or not. But you talk about
a conflict of egos, there wasn't one. Each of them took on a
role. They started playing the persona of the Woolberries. They all had nicknames,
you know, Bob Dylan was Boo Woolberry, you know, and you
had they all took on a persona and they played within that persona and they
passed around the vocals, they passed around the guitars, leads, and did
harmonies together and everything to me they were was an excellent group. Yeah,
and it was a successful and it was a successful venture. And just me
talking here, I'd like to see more collaborations like that. I mean,
you see people get together and they jam with other people, and you know
that. You see that a lot in blues. You know, Bonnie Ray
will get up with Buddy Guy or something like that. But I'd like to
see a lot more of that, you know it just I mean, pick
five artists that you'd like to see performed together. I'd love to see some
collaborations. That's a tough one, yeah, And I wasn't asking you to
pick five, but you know, just in your brain, I mean,
geez, who would you like to see performed together? Obviously living and still
performing, but yeah, well you know I know who. I can tell
you who I wouldn't want to see performing together. But Jagger and David Bowie
because I wouldn't want to see Mick Jagger and David Boye performing dancing in the
streets. That's well, actually you want you want to know the truth,
I would like to see that because that was damn funny. Dude. You're
talking about that one video where somebody pulled the music out. They took the
music video, pulled the music out and then just kind of put their own
sound effects in there. Yeah, and you want to talk about a cringey
video. Oh my gosh, I mean, yeah, that was cringey.
If you guys have not seen that, see there's a lot of that on
this episode here, but if you've not seen Mick Jagger David Boye performing dancing
in the streets without with all the music, you know, brought down to
zero and just them doing the sort of articulations that they would have done when
they were filming it. Because you know how it goes, right, they
film music videos and you're miming to what you're listening. They'll have like a
cassette recorder out there or some nice you know, and then they'll just mime
what they're listening to. But they're not actually obviously, you know, this
they're lip syncing. Um. And the funny thing about it is is that
this guy was a brilliant guy. Um, he should win an award because
that he took out all the music and then he overdubbed all the little sort
of like Mick Jagger going and all that kind of stuff. And that's good.
And you hear footsteps and they'll go into one room when you hear the
door creak open, you know, stuff like that. It's it's actually some
funny stuff. But but to be to be honest, uh, even so,
even with the music, it's still cringey. Yeah it is. It's
very cringey. But it is funny, you know. It's it's good for
comic relief. Oh man. Oh, Jim, no, I don't think
we can do that, Jim dockerel. I don't know, man, Um,
that's kind of it for me. Those were the only things that I
had on my plate. Well, very we did good man. I mean,
well, we've only been up for you know, we haven't been up
for an hour yet, so it would be a short episode if we cut
it now. But what have you got? I'm sure you got something else?
Oh well, um, not really, to be honest, with you.
No, okay, well, I mean short, we can know what
I've got. Um would take us into a different world altogether. And what's
the use of that? You know what I mean, because it has to
do with other Oh you're thinking, No, I'm looking over here at the
chat. I'm following the inside chat over here for those of you who listening
on the podcast, and I don't know. We recorded these in a YouTube
livestream, so we have a live chat going on and some of our friends
come along and they cheer us on, you know, from the bleachers as
it were. And Doc Jared Hildebrand just through in Big Animals. Every time
we have had Doc as a guest on the podcast, doesn't matter what we
start out talking about, we end up talking about big animals. We end
up it's like a trip to the zoo. You know, somebody's going to
talk about a wolf, somebody's going to talk about big cats or something like
that. So Doc has to throw that in. That's that's fun. Well
I'll tell you. UM, let me see if I can find this here.
So we have a website and it's called Trampled Underfoot podcast dot com.
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Yeah, I don't know if you've if you guys have gone and seen it,
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