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Welcome back to the path when Chili
for part two of our series on the

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unsolved disappearance of Marline and Childress,
Robin, do you want to catch everyone

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up on what we talked about in
our previous episode. Yes. Marlena Childress

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was four years old and living in
Union City, Tennessee, with her mother,

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Pam Bailey, and on April the
sixteenth, nineteen eighty seven, according

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to Pam, Marlina was playing alone
outside when Pam suddenly heard a car speeding

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away and when she went out,
I had to check Marlene was gone and

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assumed that she had been abducted.
She eventually reported her missing. There was

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a big search effort, but the
case would take an interesting turn a couple

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months later when a private investigator hired
by Marlena's family named Stan Cabnus said that

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Pam made a confession to killing Marlena
and disposing of her body by dumping it

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in a nearby river. Before this, Pam had to be hospitalized for exhaustion

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and depression, and she claimed that
she was on a lot of medication when

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she made this confession and claimed it
had been coerced and immediately recanted it.

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But Stam Cabnus said that she was
of sound mind, which she made this

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confession and completely made it without provocation, and that he did not course her

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in any way. Grand jury was
thinking about whether to indict Pam with Marlene's

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murder, but they could not find
her body or any other corroborating evidence besides

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Pam's confession, so they ultimately decided
not to indict her. Over the years,

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there would be a number of reported
sightings of Marline, including one of

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her in a hair salon and Memphis, which I'm going to talk about momentarily,

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but after it was featured on Unsolved
Mysteries in nineteen ninety, there would

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not be any developments in the case
for years, but in two twelve there

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would be a shocking development when Pam
decided to take her son, Casey,

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who was only twelve years old at
the time, drive into a cemetery and

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then stab him, and even though
Casey managed to get away and survive,

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Pam went into prison and wound up
serving a couple of years before she was

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released. She did this near the
anniversary of Marlane's disappearance, around the fifteen

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year anniversary. This only made investigators
further believe that Pam was responsible for Marlene's

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disappearance, but they never found any
evidence to an implicator, and they have

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still not found Marlene's body, so
she's remained a missing person after nearly thirty

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six years. So at the end
of our last episode, I said I

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was going to break apart the eyewitness
signing of marleda with two unidentified women,

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which supposedly took place at Jean's Hair
salon and Memphis on April the twenty second,

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nineteen eighty seven, six days after
Marline originally went missing. The sighting

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was the focal point of the original
Unsolved Mystery segment. I'd have to admit

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that it always left me completely on
the fence in regard to Pam's guilt or

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innocence, But I still felt there
was something off about how this lead was

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presented on the show. For one
thing, it wasn't made clear if the

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two hairdressers who saw Marlena immediately reported
their sighting to the police the way the

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segment presented things. Marlene's maternal grandfather, Lwaide Strickland was investigating this lead single

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handedly and only went to the police
after he uncovered a promising suspect. The

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whole thing seemed pretty odd because Lewaide
was a guy who ran a shoe repair

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business and was not a professional private
investigator. But I could see why Lewaide

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would want to take the reins because
the last time he hired a private investigator,

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the guy tape recorded Lewaide's daughter confessing
to murder. Well. One key

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part of this story, which seemed
to be missing from the Unsolved Mystery segment,

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is how the Way tracked down the
waitress in Memphis whom he believed was

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Marlene's abductor. The story goes that
Lwaide brought the two hairdressers into a restaurant

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and they identified her as the woman
they saw in the salon, and they

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also correctly identified the waitress's son as
the boy they had seen there. Lawaide

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also claimed that he found out this
woman left town the morning after Marline's disappearance

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and returned a few days later,
which made her seem like a promising suspect.

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That's all well and good, but
it's still not clear to me how

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the Way got from point A to
point B what made him suspect this particular

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waitress was the same woman from the
hair salon. When you get ser the

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fact that police questioned her and came
to the conclusion that she probably wasn't involved

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in Marlene's disappearance. I agree with
you, Robin, something's a little bit

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off here. I have a huge
admiration for lawaide who says, listen,

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my grand baby's missing. I need
to figure out what happened. And he's

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a family member who's going to great
links to try to put the pieces together

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when he and his family think the
police have failed to really protect and work

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this case the way that they should. The problem though, like you said,

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we're not really sure how we get
to this waitress, and laway performs

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what they call a show up in
law enforcement, where you basically have a

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single individual who's been isolated as a
potential suspect. You bring a witness to

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that individual suspect and you say is
this the correct person? When you do

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that, psychologically the witness already thinks
we'll shoot you, drug me all the

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way here to I D somebody you
feel convicted about, and there's already that

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kind of idea in their head that
this must be that person. The women's

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story sounds very, very promising.
There's that suspicious behavior of the little girl,

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she's in the chair, she wants
her mommy. They're telling her if

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she'll comply that they'll give her a
reward, and there's like this idea of

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shushing her. So that makes a
lot of sense and it's very very compelling.

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But then when you follow through,
like you said, getting them to

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the waitress, getting them to identify
her on, all of that starts to

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kind of unravel and seem like,
even if it was a possible lead,

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how could you use that evidence based
on the way he gathered it? Oh,

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exactly, Like standard practice for identification
is if you want someone to pick

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out a suspect, you take them
into a photo lineup when there were multiple

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people and just hope that the witness
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we talked about this on our last
episode, but Lawaite also showed these two

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women a photo lineup where he had
a pictures of a bunch of young boys

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and said, can you pick out
the boy that you saw in the salon

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next to the waitress and Marlena?
And they apparently picked out the photo of

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the waitress's son correctly. But the
one question we had was where did he

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get a photo of the waitress's son
to begin with, and why was he

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carrying around all these photos of different
children? So he says that there's something

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missing from this story. Well,
I finally got my answer about this whole

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situation when I went to newspapers dot
com and uncovered articles from the April twenty

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fifth, nineteen eighty seven editions of
The Tennis Seeing and The Jackson's Son.

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Both of these articles state that the
two women and the girls seen at the

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hair salon were actually tracked down and
the girl was ruled out as being Marlena.

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The story goes that the group was
pulled over by the police in Mississippi,

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who discovered that this girl's name was
actually Marlene, not Marlena, meaning

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that the hairdressers may have misheard the
older woman when she referred to the girl

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by name before they were even found. A key detail which convinced police that

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this girl might not be Marlena was
that Marlina had silver capps teeth when she

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went missing. But no one recalls
seeing capped teeth on the girl from the

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salon, So it seems to me
that the sighting of Marlena may have already

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been investigated and debunked by police long
before the Unsolved Mystery segment aired, But

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Lauade Strickland was taking it upon himself
to keep this lead alive. And I

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think that's where these cold cases get
really tricky, right, is that you

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have any glimmer of hope when you're
a family member waiting like what happened to

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her? Is she alive? Where
you know? Where is she? Who

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took her? Who hurt her?
And you get a lead like this or

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information like this, right, And
we're families get tips from all walks of

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life, about all kinds of people, about all kinds of places, and

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there's a real potential to go down
a rabbit hole. Just like police get

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tunnel vision. Family members are no
different. Right when there's a compelling story

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and there's a hope that maybe someone
knows more than they can recall or that

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they're telling us, there's that same
tendency to get tunnel vision and to claim

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and grip onto this story and not
let it go. Yeah. I can

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understand Lewaite's perspective because not only does
he want to find his granddaughter, but

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this is the point where his own
daughter pan has been accused of potentially murdering

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Marlena so he's really hoping to find
evidence to prove that Marlena was still alive

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and that his daughter couldn't have done
it. And so I think that's why

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he got tunnel vision here and said, oh, even though this lead in

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Memphis was already investigated, they must
have missed something. So I'm going to

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take it upon myself to try to
find out the truth and hopefully prove that

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Marlena is still alive. But it
did pan out, but it's just so

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confusing, Like how the heck did
he get from point A to point B?

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It just none of it really makes
sense when we think of like all

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of these connections that have been made, but just the overall vagueness of it

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all. And like, I understand
that his underlying motivation is to find Marlena

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and to prove that Pam is indeed
innocent and that you know, she shouldn't

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be blamed for this murder that she
confessed to. I get that, but

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it does feel like there's some reaching. But I can completely understand why one

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would maybe make connections where there wouldn't
be connections, or see something where there

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isn't anything really to see, because
you want to keep hope alive, and

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you want to believe that Marlena is
out there somewhere and that she's going to

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come home to you, and also
that your daughter is not capable of what

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everybody is accusing her of and that
she herself confessed to. But that's not

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all. You can also find a
very interest article from the September sixth,

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nineteen ninety edition of The Paduca Sun, which was published the day after the

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Unsolved Mystery segment aired. Believe it
or Not, Pam Bailey herself was quoted

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as saying that the whole section about
the hair salons should have been omitted from

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the segment because two detectives hired by
the family had already checked it out.

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Believe it or not, Pam Bailey
herself was quoted as saying that the whole

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section about the hair salon should have
been omitted from the segment because two detectives

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that were hired by the family had
already checked it out and the girl wasn't

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Marlena. So yes, even though
this lead seemed to be the biggest piece

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of evidence supporting her innocence, Pam
did not believe it was credible and it

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was quite a surprise to hear her
say that not only had police ruled it

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out, but two detectives hired by
her own family had as well. Pam

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also stated that the sighting of Marlena
with the other children's family who traveled from

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Alabama to Florida was a lot more
credible. She felt that this lead would

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all point police to her daughter,
and Luade expressed his disappointment that this part

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of the story wasn't mentioned on Unsolved
Mysteries. But we'll talk more about the

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second childer's family momentarily. Another thing
which seemed off about the memphisiting is that

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in those articles from nineteen eighty seven
which Robin mentioned, there's no mention about

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a young boy being in the hair
salon, only two women with a girl.

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It's possible they neglected to mention the
boy since his presence wasn't really relevant

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to the case, But it seems
like the main reason Luade was convinced the

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waitress was the woman from the salon
is because the two hairdressers identified her son

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as the boy that they saw.
But even if they're correct, it doesn't

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really matter, as a girl had
already been ruled out as being Marlena.

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It is really interesting that even Pam
herself is like, listen, that is

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not a tree to barkup. She's
convicted that this is not accurate and it's

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a story that could actually exonerate her, and she's saying, don't go down

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that half. I actually think the
Children's family was a fascinating story. That

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they had this little girl, she's
the only one that they're you know,

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once they're found, that is missing
from their family. Did we ever figure

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out what happened to the little girl
that people said they often saw, like

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kept away from the public, and
that was supposedly called Marlena. No,

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they never did. And that's what's
so frustrating about this other story about the

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Children's family is that it seems that
once they were found in Florida, it

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just this whole part of the story
just disappeared from the media and we didn't

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even know what happened to them because
there were allegations that the father was sexually

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abusive and was going to be brought
up on charges, but there was no

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further reporting on that. And once
you learn all this information, this other

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angle seems a lot more compelling than
the Memphis hair salon sighting. So I

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am surprised that Unsolved Mysteries didn't mention
it during their segment. It really does

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seem like Lawaide Strickland was grasping at
straws with the Memphis sighting. I'm not

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saying that Lawide was trying to cover
for his daughter or purposely said the investigation

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in the wrong direction, but it
would definitely be in his best interest to

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pursue a lead which pointed to his
granddaughter still being alive and his daughter not

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being a murderer. I know the
hairdressers claimed that they started receiving threatening,

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anonymous phone calls from a woman shortly
after the waitress was questioned, but I

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don't think that's definitive proof that this
waitress was involved in Marline's disappearance. Think

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about it. If the waitress was
completely innocent, she just got accused of

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being involved in a child abduction.
I'm not advocating for anonymous, threatening phone

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calls, but if she figured out
those hairdressers had pointed the finger at her,

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I can see how she might have
felt compelled to take out her anger

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on them. Oh, I can
absolutely see that too, And especially if

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you feel like you were being harassed
or that your child was involved in this

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harassment, like remember her little boys
involved too, And it may not have

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been her. It could have easily
been a friend, a co worker,

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someone who was witnessing this and said, like enough enough, these people need

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to back off and leave her alone. You know, we've talked about this

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before or once you're named as a
suspect when documentaries cover this, when Unsolved

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Mysteries points things out and then they
say, but the police later cleared this

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individual. It's like, well,
God, you just raped their name through

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the mud for fifteen minutes. And
I've been thinking it's Steve this whole time,

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you know, and imports Steve sit
in home going what I never had

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anything to do with this. But
media has a really powerful impact. When

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gossip starts around town, there's a
really really powerful impact on someone's life.

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So either this poor waitress or someone
that knows her, I could see those

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threatening phone calls coming very easily.
Yeah, the waitress was never named publicly,

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but I can still see gossip going
around the community and people putting two

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and two together because they're thinking about
a waitress with the sun. So she

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probably had like a lot of unjust
attention on her that you didn't appreciate.

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So when you look at the situation
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of the hair salon sightings has been
blown way out of proportion, and this

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is probably just another tragic case of
an eyewitness mistaking a girl they saw for

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a missing child. In fact,
it would not surprise me if this is

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one of the reasons the Unsolved Mystery
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it put heavy emphasis on a lead
which had seemingly been ruled out by law

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enforcement only days after it occurred.
When you eliminate this sighting, then this

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decreases the chances of Marlene's still being
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and weakens the case for Pam's innocence. It's interesting how there are certain

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aspects of this case which seemed to
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wind up coming apart if you look
hard enough. For example, Pam's original

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story is that she saw a red
car speeding away from her house around the

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time Marlena went missing, which is
supposed to give off the impression that someone

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abducted her. So on the surface, the most convincing detail of Pam's account

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is that she described the vehicle as
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As you'll recall, Marlene's stepbrother Jerry, and other witnesses from a nearby

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grocery store describe seeing a red car
with McCracken County license plates and claim that

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Marlena had been speaking with a man
standing outside the vehicle. Based on this,

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it's very easy to believe Pam's story
and assume that this man set his

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eyes on Marlena, followed her home
once he noticed she was playing alone in

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her front yard. He used this
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But the problem is the police were
able to track down this man relatively

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quickly and rule him out as a
suspect. This details often overlooked in some

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accounts of the case, but you
can find confirmation in the April twenty second,

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nineteen eighty seven edition of The Jackson
Sun. I have a problem with

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Pam's whole story about the car.
To start with, if you guys were

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called. We talked on the first
episode about how you know Pam waited what

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forty five minutes, an hour and
fifteen minutes to actually call the police after

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she quote witnessed a car grabbing her
daughter and fleeing the scene. That's not

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hey, my baby was playing in
the front yard and she's not here.

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I wonder if she went to a
neighbor's. I wonder if she saw a

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little friend down the street and ran
down there. Let me call some people.

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If you saw a car sneak by
and you look out and you see

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that your baby's no longer in the
front yard, that is like immediate,

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I gotta call the police, get
them here. It almost seems like,

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either intentionally or subconsciously, she's taking
details she hears about this red car and

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this guy that was suspicious earlier in
the day and placing them in a story

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now that makes our needs a villain, right, that needs a suspect,

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and she puts those details there.
I totally agree. It just seems really

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convenient that other people saw this same
vehicle, but yet the police ruled this

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suspect out relatively early on in the
investigation, and we talked about it,

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I think at great length in episode
one. The incongruity of it all,

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where Pam's reaction wasn't in line with
what she was telling us happened you know,

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if she did indeed see this red
car potentially abduct Marlena, then just

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drolling around the neighborhood for forty five
minutes is not in line with the emotional

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impact that a situation like that would
have on a mother. It just doesn't

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make sense for anybody to behave like
that when they believe abduction is why your

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child is gone. You run to
a neighbor, you call police, you

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do something in that moment. You
do not wait for forty five minutes while

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looking around the block like I think
you'd said, Ash. If Reagan had

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wandered off an episode one, you
might look, you know, for five

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minutes around the area to see if
she'd gone to a house or something.

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But if you saw a car screech
away, that would not be your response.

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No, I mean for me,
I could see where trauma causes odd

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reactions, but not for I don't
want to be wrong here. What was

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it forty five minutes or an hour
and fifteen minutes? It was forty five

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minutes, I think, wasn't it
a long time? Let me just double

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check. So yeah, she said
she heard the cart three thirty and finally

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called the police at four or fifteen, So forty five minutes, okay,

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So for ten minutes, could I
be an utter shock and be like running

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around the neighborhood screaming and reaching out
to people. Yes, But forty five

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minutes later, I feel like,
one, the baby's been missing way too

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long, and two, oh shit, I saw a car, Like I

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gotta get back and call the police
and tell them about these details. Now

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that I'm kind of, you know, calming down or have talked to somebody

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for a second, but like we
talk about if our dog gets out of

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the gate, or if Reagan goes
around the corner in Walmart and didn't tell

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me, my stomach just flips completely
upside down. And I'm already in like

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she's been kidnapped mode five seconds after
I can't see her face, So I

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can't imagine waiting forty five minutes to
reach out and say something happened, especially

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if I had seen a car drive
by and get her like that is something

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that you call immediately for. It
feels like the time that she's using she's

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like abricating some kind of story.
This cover story about the red car,

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so the screeching tires and all this
is kind of what she came up with

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during that time frame, and it
was somehow in that moment of panic when

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you know that you have to tell
law enforcement. If we look at it

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through the lens that Pam is guilty
and she did indeed go and dispose of

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Marlaida's body, but she's not initially
planning on telling law enforcement this. So

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she's got to construct this kind of
alibi and this story as to what has

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happened. And it feels like that's
what she did. But I don't think

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that she took into account the emotional
complexity of what would exactly transpire in a

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situation where you saw your child is
gone and you heard screeching tires and you

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saw a red car. I just
I'm like gobsmacked by the fact that that's

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what she's telling police she saw she
heard and then what she's doing is just

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not in line with it, and
it just points to her guilt. To

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me, per silly. Now,
let me ask you guys this about Pam.

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Let's say Pam wasn't the one who
actually did something to Marlena. What

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if she herself was involved in something
that would get her in trouble and so

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she has other children, could she
have been involved with like I don't know,

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I'm just going back and forth here. Could she have been involved with

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drugs or sex work or anything like
that where she could deal with shady characters,

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maybe think she could solve this on
her own, and then quickly realizes,

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like crap, I need to call
the police, even if I put

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myself at risk. That is certainly
a possibility. Like I mentioned in the

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last episode that even though there's no
evidence to corroborate this, there were always

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rumors in the community that perhaps she
had sold Marlena for drugs or something like

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that, and that even though she
did not actually kill her, she still

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got rid of Marlena and they have
been so overwhelmed with guilt about it months

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later that she made a confession but
then instead came up with a cover story

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about having killed her and disposed of
her body. So I don't rule out

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the possibility that if she didn't actually
murder her, that Pam could have done

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something wrong which prevented her from telling
the full truth about what actually happened.

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I mean that wouldn't be outside the
realm of possibility, because their understanding of

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mental health at the time was less
than it is now, and from a

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diagnostic standpoint, Robin had said in
episode one that I think it was just

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depression that she'd been labeled as having, But it seems like her issues were

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far deeper than that. So if
she wasn't medicated for that depression, there's

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a very strong likelihood that you know, I personally and a lot of other

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people believe that addiction issues and substance
use disorders are stemming from trauma. It's

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a trauma problem and not a drug
problem. And so if we're to look

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back at, you know, the
accusations that she made about pl Summers,

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and if there was sexual abuse,
she could be self medicating with drugs.

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So I think that that is a
very real possibility. Ash. So it

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seems like this entire lead with the
red car was nothing more than a red

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herring. And there I didn't even
notice that red car and red Harry.

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And there are two possible explanations.
A. If Pam is innocent, then

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she really did see the red car
pass by her house, but it either

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wasn't this man's car or the driver
did not actually a duck Marlena, or

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B if Pam is guilty, then
she could have seen this car when she

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took Marlena and Jerry to the store
earlier that same afternoon, and remember details

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about it when she fabricated her cover
story. Perhaps she felt more people would

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believe it if other witnesses from the
store could corroborate seeing the red car in

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the area. I know that after
Pam was arrested, Luide Strickland began pointing

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the investigation towards an a ledge shining
of a blue car in the neighborhood that

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afternoon. Well, the authorities seemed
convinced that it belonged to Jerry's mother,

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Mona Watts, who was picking up
her son at the time. Luide seemed

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to think there was another blue car
in the area at that time. Personally,

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I think he was probably just grasping
at straws again in order to direct

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suspicion away from his daughter. Tender
gree. I mean, I don't blame

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Lawade. He has a twofold reason
to be so invested here. Not only

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is the grand baby missing, but
now his daughter has falsely confessed or in

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his mind, falsely confessed to her
disappearance, and so he is trying to

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get Marlena. But he's also trying
to vindicate his daughter. So anything that

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stands out and there's a clue,
he's going to just hold onto it,

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you know, with his dear life, so that he can try to get

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the most precious things in his life
safe and sound again. But to be

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fair, there have been other leads
in this case. The Unsolved Mystery segment

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presented another eyewitness sighting from Amy Spoon, who claims she saw a girl resembling

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Marlena inside a department store in nineteen
eighty nine, But unlike the Hairslon sighting,

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there were no significant details which pointed
to the girl actually being Marlena.

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So, for all we know,
Amy Spoon could have simply seen another young

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girl and read too much into the
uncomfortable interact action between the girl and the

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woman she was with. Since this
particular girl wasn't tracked down and ruled out,

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I can't stay with one hundred percent
certainty that she wasn't Marlena, but

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in all likelihood it was probably another
mistake in sighting. However, perhaps the

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most intriguing lead were the alleged sightings
of Marlena living with the family of ten

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children in Alabama before they suddenly took
off and were found in Florida months later.

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Like we mentioned earlier, Luide was
disappointed that they didn't include this info

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in the Unsolved Mystery segment. And
even if Marlena wasn't connected to this family,

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this still is a pretty bizarre side
story. As you'll recall, the

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family's last name also happened to be
Childress. And while nine of the ten

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children belonged to the parents, yet
a young girl who went by the name

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Kristel, who'd supposedly been given to
them by her biological mother two years earlier.

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Well, that part of the story
certainly sounded sketchy as hell. And

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even if Cristel was not Marlena,
I wish we were able to learn more

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follow up info to find out what
happened to her. Correct, she's somebody

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who was this kid whose mother gave
her to this family, and now she's

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not with the family, so what
happened to her? What is crazy is

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that Unsolved Mysteries actually did include the
allude to the waitress story. Correct,

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yep. But the police had already
said that that wasn't true. So if

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we have already ruled that information out, and yet we have not followed up

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on another pretty convincing story. Why
would you cover the one the police said

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no to and yet the one where
they're saying, we're not sure you decide

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to leave that information out. What
if that was the clue people needed to

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hear in order to come forward and
at least figure out who Crystal was,

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if not linking it to Marlena.
I don't know why you're so suspicious of

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the father. I mean, he
did produce a note which said I'm giving

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her to all, So I don't
know why we're taking that as definitive evidence

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that they gave the girl to him. I'm so sorry. That's true.

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That's so true. It's almost as
good as the salad and letter. It's

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true exactly. But here's where the
confusion lies. It sounds like, even

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though Crystal didn't look much like Marlena, the childresses were adamant that she was

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the girl all these eyewitnesses had seen
with them in Alabama. Even after the

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family was found, their former neighbors
were shown side by side photos of Crystal

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and Marlena, and they apparently kept
picking out Marlena as the girl they saw.

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And while the neighbors said she went
by Crystal, the social worker who

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spoke to her, claimed that the
girl told her that her name was Marlena.

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Unlike the hairdressers who thought they saw
Marlene at the salon in Memphis,

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these witnesses described their girl as having
silver cap teeth, just like Marlena did.

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So does this mean Marlena could have
been living with the family at some

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point but was no longer with them
when they were tracked down in Florida.

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Well, the problem is that everyone
remembered the Childresses having ten children in Alabama,

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and they still had ten children months
later, So during the time they

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were on the run that they somehow
managed to get to Marlena, pick up

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a completely different girl and pass her
off as Crystal. I don't know.

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As weird as this whole situation is, isn't it just much easier to believe

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that the witnesses memories were faulty and
the girl known as Crystal was living with

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the Childresses all along and Marlena was
never there. This lead is certainly an

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interesting one, but as far as
I can tell, there's been virtually no

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mention of any further development since the
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So I have a feeling that investigators
found no evidence that Marlena was ever with

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them, and the whole thing turned
out to be a dead end. And

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putting that aside, doesn't it seem
like a massive coincidence that Marlena would be

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abducted by a family who happened to
have the exact same last name. Kidnapping

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a girl who shares your surname does
not sound like the most practical way to

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stay out the radar? Or is
it? Oh, because they have the

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last people anyone would suspect, right, you know? And what would be

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crazy is if you actually got access
to her record and you raised her as

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Merlina Childress under this other family.
But they didn't. They changed her name

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to crystall. I don't think she
shared their last name. She was the

403
00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:12.119
only one who wasn't related to them. But it's just so bizarre. I

404
00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:17.279
need to know more. And unfortunately, like you said, nothing's been done

405
00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:19.960
with the children's families. Yes,
that might be our next text to do

406
00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:25.839
it like a follow up episode on
the children's family. So creepy that many

407
00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:29.960
children and somebody just gives you a
child. Clearly these people were of lower

408
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:33.640
socioeconomic status. They were living off
the radar, and do pray, tell

409
00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:38.559
why one would want to take on
another mouth to feed the possibilities as to

410
00:29:38.680 --> 00:29:44.400
why, and unless they were just
like the most giving people ever, which

411
00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:48.319
it doesn't sound like that was the
case. Sounds like she was kept off

412
00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:52.759
the radar and like not let outside
as much as other kids. So what

413
00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:56.359
were you doing with her? And
why did you want someone's child that they

414
00:29:56.359 --> 00:29:57.960
basically just gave you a note and
we're like, hey, here you go.

415
00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:02.160
I want more information, I want
to know the answers, and I'm

416
00:30:02.200 --> 00:30:08.359
just so unsettled by it. All
mysteries within mysteries were so frustrating. Now

417
00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:14.960
let's finally examine the possibility that Pam
Bailey was responsible for her daughter's disappearance.

418
00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:19.440
It must be said that other than
her confession to stand Cabnets, there really

419
00:30:19.640 --> 00:30:25.319
is no evidence that Pam killed Marlena, which is why the grand jury elected

420
00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:30.160
not to indict her. They searched
the Obayen River pretty thoroughly and never found

421
00:30:30.200 --> 00:30:33.599
anything. So if Pam really did
dispose of Marlene's body, I have to

422
00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:40.119
wonder if she did so elsewhere well. Cabnets maintained that Pam's confession was genuine

423
00:30:40.359 --> 00:30:44.079
and that she shared the entire story
of her own free will. Pam had

424
00:30:44.119 --> 00:30:48.200
been taking a lot of medication and
was in a very bad emotional place at

425
00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:52.279
the time, so it's not impossible
that she could have been coerced or was

426
00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:56.680
just not in her right mind.
However, it must be reiterated that while

427
00:30:56.680 --> 00:31:00.599
it's not uncommon for law enforcement to
coerce a confession of an innocent person in

428
00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:06.799
order to close the case, stan
Cavnist was a private investigator hired by Pam's

429
00:31:06.799 --> 00:31:10.559
own family, so it seems odd
that he would try to force a confession

430
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:12.599
out of her unless he had good
reason to believe that she was guilty.

431
00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:18.400
I think here the grand jury had
no choice but to drop these charges because

432
00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:23.319
when you look at this case,
it was in eighty nine, correct eighty

433
00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:29.960
seven, So when you're looking at
a law enforcement and legal actions at that

434
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:33.960
time, we really hadn't had cases
where we tried murders without bodies like that

435
00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:38.759
wasn't a common thing or things that
were really accepted. You needed the body,

436
00:31:40.119 --> 00:31:45.839
You information beyond just the confession.
Right if you're a good court,

437
00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:52.079
I've seen cases where all you have
is a confession and you actually have information

438
00:31:52.119 --> 00:31:56.200
that goes right in the face against
whatever the person confessed to, and still

439
00:31:56.519 --> 00:32:01.400
that individual will get convicted because they
con to the crime. But here I

440
00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:06.319
actually have a lot of value.
That grand jury says there's just not enough,

441
00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:08.759
right. I don't know what happened
here, but we need more information.

442
00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:14.039
I think that was a smart move. I do think Pam. Pam's

443
00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:15.880
a tricky character for me. I
think she has a lot of mental health

444
00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:22.200
problems. Obviously, anybody would be
struggling with their mental health after the disappearance

445
00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:28.200
of their child. But I also
wonder did she know something which created that

446
00:32:28.279 --> 00:32:32.559
kind of internal demon and an upset
right where if I were lying about the

447
00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:37.480
disappearance of my daughter, if I
knew any information and I was covering that,

448
00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:40.759
maybe I didn't hurt her. But
that kind of turmoil inside of me

449
00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:45.039
and that guilt, I think it
could cause me to do quite dramatic things,

450
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:50.519
right like confess or try to get
this case closed so it could all

451
00:32:50.559 --> 00:32:53.680
just go away, because it would
be a big nightmare. It really makes

452
00:32:53.680 --> 00:32:58.000
me wonder why she would be compelled
to make this confession to stand Cabus.

453
00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:00.519
She may have trusted him because she
was working for the family and figured that

454
00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:04.319
he wouldn't turn her in. But
it also makes me wonder, why not

455
00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:07.079
confess to someone closer to you,
like your father lawaide? Though I guess

456
00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:10.799
I can't discount the possibility that maybe
over the years, she did say something

457
00:33:10.839 --> 00:33:15.039
to Lawaide or someone in her own
family, but they have just never said

458
00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:16.920
so because they don't want to get
her into trouble. Yeah, that's a

459
00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:22.440
difficult position for Lawaide, right,
He's trying so hard to find Marlena,

460
00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:24.559
But I am sure that he doesn't
want his daughter to go to jail even

461
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:29.000
if he does find out the hard
truth. I mean, I think it's

462
00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:31.759
different for every parent, but I
can imagine a position where if you heard

463
00:33:32.200 --> 00:33:36.839
your daughter say something like that,
you might just kind of brush it off

464
00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:39.160
because you don't want to believe it
to be true. Right. I'm sure

465
00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:44.440
if he took it to be genuine, then it would completely change the trajectory

466
00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:47.480
of all of the things that he
did thereafter. But I think that it's

467
00:33:47.519 --> 00:33:51.680
pretty easy to dismiss things like that
and say, Okay, well, she's

468
00:33:51.799 --> 00:33:57.640
very emotionally or psychologically disturbed right now, So who knows what he was told

469
00:33:57.799 --> 00:34:00.799
or what she had said to him, because it does seem interesting that she's

470
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:06.319
going to confess all of this to
Cavness, Like what led up to this

471
00:34:06.440 --> 00:34:10.800
confession? What information did he have
and what type of conversations were had between

472
00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:15.239
Pam and Cabnez before this happened.
Yeah, I'm curious about the mindself,

473
00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:19.639
because he's always maintained it came completely
out of nowhere. But I do have

474
00:34:19.719 --> 00:34:22.800
to wonder if there was some sort
of beld up that got her to finally

475
00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:28.000
say everything. It appears at least
one aspect of Pam's confession turned out to

476
00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:31.280
be untrue, and that's our claim
that pl Summers acted as her accomplice and

477
00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:36.239
helped her dispose of Marline's body.
And of course, once she recanted her

478
00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:40.159
confession, Pam changed her story and
said that Summers actually abducted Marline on his

479
00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:45.760
own because Pam resisted his sexual advances. Well, it sounds like investigators became

480
00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:51.639
satisfied that Summers wasn't involved, either
as the primary abductor or an accomplice.

481
00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:55.400
But I have to wonder if there's
some truth to Pam's allegations that Summer's sexually

482
00:34:55.400 --> 00:35:00.800
abused her as a child. After
all, Summers was a for fondling a

483
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:04.320
nine year old boy only a few
months later, though I was unable to

484
00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:07.639
find out if he was convicted of
that crime. Summers was over forty years

485
00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:12.039
older than Pam, so he certainly
would have been in a position of power

486
00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:15.880
when she was a child. It's
also interesting that his abusive or allegedly took

487
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:21.599
place at the bridge on Campground Road, the same location where Pam claimed she

488
00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:24.960
tossed Marlena's body into the river.
Now, regardless of whether or not you

489
00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:30.599
believe she killed Marlena, the fact
that Pam later attempted to establish son casey

490
00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:34.960
makes it clear that she is a
disturbed person, and I have to wonder

491
00:35:34.960 --> 00:35:38.400
if some of her issues may have
stemmed from the trauma cause by childhood sexual

492
00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:44.000
abuse at the hands of Summers.
If Haam really did kill Marlena, then

493
00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:49.000
perhaps falsely implicating her abuser in the
crime was her way of getting revenge against

494
00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:52.480
him. So it's possible that Pam's
confession was a mixture of truce and untruce,

495
00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:57.880
as she could have caused Marlena's death
but fabricated some of the details she

496
00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:00.519
shared. I think there's a lot
of things going on here. I mean

497
00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:06.760
it is it is so bizarre different
behaviors, right, Like Summers is linked

498
00:36:06.760 --> 00:36:12.199
to this crime only through Pam's words, but Summers also later does harm a

499
00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:15.719
child, right, and possibly sexually
abused Pam growing up. But it doesn't

500
00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:22.039
really put Summers with Pam for the
commission of the crime. It's just circumstantial,

501
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:29.079
very concerning behavior, right, very
disturbing behavior that that sounds linked to

502
00:36:29.119 --> 00:36:31.480
her disappearance but is not. Then
you have Pam, like you said,

503
00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:37.360
who later actually stabs her son and
has this break and says like basically she

504
00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:43.559
pulls a you know, Roxy Heart
and not Roxy Heart the Chicago girl,

505
00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:45.719
right, who says I didn't even
know what I had done till I was

506
00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:49.079
washing the blood off my hands.
She says, she blacks out and doesn't

507
00:36:49.079 --> 00:36:53.440
even remember stabbing her son. Could
something have happened where she didn't remember what

508
00:36:53.480 --> 00:36:59.559
she did to Marlena? Could she
have done something in a mental health moment

509
00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:02.840
of dis dress And then when she
comes to, she does start to recall

510
00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:07.880
some of these bits and pieces.
She does start to remember her behavior,

511
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:12.599
and she does confess we don't know, right if she doesn't recall what happened

512
00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:17.280
we don't know. So you have
Summers previous behavior and future behavior, but

513
00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:22.360
it doesn't put in hurting Merlina.
You have PAMs later behavior with her son,

514
00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:27.360
but again doesn't automatically link her to
hurting her daughter. But it is

515
00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:34.320
so strange if we're dealing with psychosis
or like a fractured mental state where she's

516
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:39.039
dissociated in some capacity and she's got
the inability to recall the linear path of

517
00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:44.400
all of these events that transpired,
and she's kind of picking and choosing.

518
00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:49.280
It feels like I don't know if
she went out of her way to try

519
00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:52.840
to like make this trail to point
towards Peo Summers, or if this was

520
00:37:53.119 --> 00:37:59.440
subconscious way of kind of just like
putting this story together and somehow in her

521
00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:05.239
fractured mental state, she kind of
compiled information altogether. Because the location that

522
00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:09.840
she said that she disposed of Marlene's
body with pl Summers also being the location

523
00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:15.440
where he allegedly sexually abused her,
I think it is really disturbing, and

524
00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:19.639
I think it's telling that there's something
deeper going on with Pam. But I

525
00:38:19.679 --> 00:38:22.639
agree with what you said, Robin. I do believe that her confession is

526
00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:27.320
a mix of truths and mistruths,
and I don't necessarily know that Pam could

527
00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:31.159
tell us which is which exactly.
Like it's possible she could have legitimately blocked

528
00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:35.280
out for the first few months,
and then after she went to the hospital

529
00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:38.239
and got some medication, certain segments
just popped back into her head, like

530
00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:43.960
maybe she had flashbacks to her childhood
sexual abuse, and she also had flashbacks

531
00:38:43.960 --> 00:38:46.880
to her killing Marlena, but was
unable to determine which was which. So

532
00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:51.679
we got this story that was kind
of a mixture between all these memories.

533
00:38:51.679 --> 00:38:58.000
She was suddenly having the motive for
why Pam would have killed her daughter.

534
00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:00.960
Has always been a big puzzler.
Some people thought she seemed like a good

535
00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:06.719
mother. Well. Others remembered seeing
bruises on Marlena and started wondering if Pam

536
00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:10.199
might have abused her. Even though
I don't believe these allegations were ever proven.

537
00:39:10.760 --> 00:39:15.159
The events may have gone down just
like Pam said they did, where

538
00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:19.119
she simply lost her temper, flapped
Marlda and caused her to fall and hit

539
00:39:19.159 --> 00:39:22.920
her head. What's interesting is that
if you look through the hundreds of articles

540
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:28.760
which were published in the two months
following Marlaya's disappearance, you won't see any

541
00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:32.079
indication that law enforcement considered Pam to
be a suspect, And I get the

542
00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:37.800
impression that her confession seemed to come
completely out of left field. When a

543
00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:42.679
child goes missing under a parent's watch, they're always the first person that police

544
00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:46.480
will investigate. But if they had
any suspicions about Pam, they never said

545
00:39:46.519 --> 00:39:51.599
so publicly. Even when the man
with the red car was tracked down and

546
00:39:51.760 --> 00:39:55.840
ruled out as a suspect, I
see no indication that investigators started questioning the

547
00:39:55.840 --> 00:40:00.119
credibility of Pam's story. So if
Pam was gilt, it sounds like she

548
00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:05.079
did a pretty convincing job at grueling
people for a little while. You could

549
00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:09.000
probably spend a great deal of time
analyzing pam psychological makeup and trying to figure

550
00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:13.119
out why she did what she did. But before we do that, we

551
00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:16.199
also have to look at the timeline
of that afternoon's events and figure out how

552
00:40:16.199 --> 00:40:20.760
she could have done this. It's
one of these things like when we do

553
00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:23.239
look at it, could she have
done it? Of course? I mean,

554
00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:28.000
I think we all want to think
a mother can't hurt her children,

555
00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:31.519
but Unfortunately, histories told us yes
they can. We know a lot about

556
00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:37.400
depression, and you know women with
their children, and so is Pam capable

557
00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:42.119
of doing this? Yes, and
her later behavior with her son, my

558
00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:45.599
God, really emphasizes she's capable of
it. The question is, though,

559
00:40:45.960 --> 00:40:50.599
did she and if she did,
why? I mean, when we're sitting

560
00:40:50.679 --> 00:40:53.559
here talking about it, I just
sit there, and there's so many reasons

561
00:40:53.559 --> 00:40:59.559
why a mother could inflict harm or
get rid of her child, right,

562
00:40:59.639 --> 00:41:04.599
money, a mental health crisis,
not wanting the responsibilities right like you,

563
00:41:04.760 --> 00:41:08.400
Like we talked about trading her for
something, trading her to protect herself,

564
00:41:08.719 --> 00:41:13.599
or it could have been an accident
like she said, where she accidentally hit

565
00:41:13.639 --> 00:41:17.840
her and she fell and hit her
head. But I also could see Pam

566
00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:22.119
just needing this to all go away
and convincing herself she did have something to

567
00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:27.119
do with it. I don't think
that's at all out of the question either.

568
00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:31.119
So yeah, let's look at how
and why this could happen. I

569
00:41:31.159 --> 00:41:35.440
do find it interesting though, that
when Ashley was learning about the case for

570
00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:38.360
the first time, when you immediately
heard her story about hearing a car speeding

571
00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:43.280
away and her not calling the police
for another forty five minutes, you instantly

572
00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:46.679
became suspicious. Yet I'd never seen
any of those suspicions shared by police or

573
00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:51.400
the media in the first two months
following Marley's disappearance. So I still have

574
00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:54.920
to wonder did they secretly suspect Pam
but did not want to say anything publicly,

575
00:41:55.320 --> 00:42:00.079
or did she just do a very
convincing job at fooling everyone. It

576
00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:04.519
sounds like the last independent eyewitness who
saw Marlena was the owner of the grocery

577
00:42:04.519 --> 00:42:07.519
store she went to at around two
pm. We know that Mona Watts stopped

578
00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:10.960
by the Bailey residence to pick up
Jerry at three o'clock, and well,

579
00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:15.239
it's not entirely clear if Mona saw
Marlena, Pam would not have been out

580
00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:20.599
disposing of the child's body at this
time. Pam called the police to report

581
00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:24.159
Marlena missing at four to fifteen.
So assuming that Marlina was not killed until

582
00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:29.719
after Mona and Jerry left, this
gives Pama window of just over an hour

583
00:42:29.800 --> 00:42:32.840
to get rid of her body.
It's certainly possible, but the timeline still

584
00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:37.239
would be pretty tight. I guess
this would lend credence to Pam's story about

585
00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:42.639
tossing Marlena's body off a bridge into
a river rather than taking the time to

586
00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:45.840
bury her somewhere. If this is
what happened, then Pam is just lucky

587
00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:51.440
that Marlena's body never surfaced and no
additional evidence was found to implicate her.

588
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:55.239
One overlooked aspect of this story is
that Pam was also looking after her four

589
00:42:55.320 --> 00:43:00.480
month old son, Damon at the
time. Assuming that Pam den just leave

590
00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:04.159
Damon alone at the house, she
would have had to take her baby with

591
00:43:04.159 --> 00:43:07.559
her while getting rid of Marlena's body, which is pretty messed up. If

592
00:43:07.599 --> 00:43:12.920
Pam killed Marlena, then I am
willing to believe that it wasn't premeditated murder

593
00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:15.519
and may have been a heat of
the moment thing like Pam described, where

594
00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:19.960
she lost her temper, struck her
daughter, and caused her to fall over

595
00:43:20.039 --> 00:43:22.880
and hit her head. I mean, that's hardly a defensible situation, but

596
00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:28.679
the district attorney did agree to reduce
the charge against her from second degree murder

597
00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:34.360
to voluntary to voluntary manslaughter. So
if Marlena's body was found and Pam had

598
00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:37.719
been convicted of killing her, she
might have only served a few years.

599
00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:40.639
And this whole case would be forgotten
now if you think about that. Though

600
00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:44.079
you guys were saying, no,
she has this four month old. She

601
00:43:44.159 --> 00:43:47.039
could have easily been struggling with postpartum
depression with the four month old at home,

602
00:43:47.119 --> 00:43:51.960
and I wouldn't put it past leaving
a four month old to go get

603
00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:54.199
rid of her body. Four month
olds can't do much, so if the

604
00:43:54.280 --> 00:43:59.840
baby was in a crib or a
bassinet, they're not really crawling and rolling

605
00:43:59.840 --> 00:44:04.159
over or anything at four months old. So I could see her leaving the

606
00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:07.079
baby and going to get rid of
the body. I also could see something

607
00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:10.119
where she said, oh my god, there was an accident, and no

608
00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:14.559
matter what happens, I can't leave
this four month old without a mom,

609
00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:16.559
So I have to cover this up, right, like it's more important to

610
00:44:16.599 --> 00:44:22.159
preserve what's left here and cover it
up like, Okay, we know the

611
00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:24.440
Jehan ben Ay Ramsey case. We
have no freaking clue what happened there.

612
00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:30.119
But one of the theories was that
the son hurt Jean Benet and the parents

613
00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:35.559
covered up for him, and people
went berserk like no parent would ever do

614
00:44:35.639 --> 00:44:38.880
that, And as a mother,
I sat back and went like that would

615
00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:44.519
be the most horrific situation ever to
say, well, she's gone, he's

616
00:44:44.599 --> 00:44:47.000
not, so now I have to
figure out do I cover for him and

617
00:44:47.079 --> 00:44:50.920
help him get out of this situation? Well, why wouldn't you do that

618
00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:54.559
for yourself? She's gone, my
four month old is not. Now what

619
00:44:54.639 --> 00:44:58.079
do I do? I have to
cover and make sure that he has a

620
00:44:58.119 --> 00:45:01.519
mom growing up right that I'm not
in prison, So I could very well

621
00:45:02.039 --> 00:45:06.440
see there have been an accident and
her going to these extremes to say I

622
00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:08.880
refused to go away for any time, much less, you know, for

623
00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:13.400
a murder, but I'm not going
away from my four month old son.

624
00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:21.280
I think it's very possible she was
struggling with postpartum depression or possibly postpartum psychosis.

625
00:45:21.639 --> 00:45:24.320
If indeed she had this like extremely
fractured mental state, and something that

626
00:45:24.360 --> 00:45:30.840
could be a trigger to take depression
to psychosis could be an accident where you

627
00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:36.679
you know, smack your child and
they hit their head and then Marlena needs

628
00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:39.159
to be disposed of and then having
to live with that type of a situation.

629
00:45:39.400 --> 00:45:43.480
But I do think it's possible that
she could have just taken Damon and

630
00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:47.320
hid the body somewhere because initially she
didn't plan on confessing. That was something

631
00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:52.639
that she did later, and so
maybe it's just like she wanted to confess,

632
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:55.239
but she didn't want to say where
exactly the body was, or it

633
00:45:55.320 --> 00:46:00.920
was like this combination if she maybe
couldn't even remember at that point in time.

634
00:46:00.920 --> 00:46:06.480
And there's just so many different possibilities, given the emotional complexity of the

635
00:46:06.559 --> 00:46:10.519
situation and what seems like her deteriorating
mental health, and like, as she

636
00:46:10.519 --> 00:46:15.559
just said, just factoring in that
she'd just become a mother again to a

637
00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:20.320
four month old, like that creates
such a cascade of things within the body.

638
00:46:20.719 --> 00:46:23.000
Oh my gosh. Like my own
mother had to be hospitalized for bipolar

639
00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:27.679
disorder after she had me with because
her hormones were all over the place and

640
00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:32.360
she was in severe psychosis. So
these things can and do happen. So

641
00:46:32.639 --> 00:46:37.800
I just don't know if even at
this point, Pam is going to be

642
00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:44.199
a very reliable narrator of the events
that transpired during this time period. Oh

643
00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:46.239
exactly. And of course this was
a nineteen eighty seven when people would not

644
00:46:46.280 --> 00:46:51.119
have had as much knowledge of as
she's like postpartum depression and these mental health

645
00:46:51.159 --> 00:46:54.280
stuff, So people are who are
analyzing this case back then, probably we're

646
00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:59.599
not even thinking about this stuff.
On the other hand, when Pam blindfolded

647
00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:02.800
her son Casey, drove him to
a cemetery, and stabbed him fifteen years

648
00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:07.840
later, that was clearly a premeditated
act. It doesn't look like there's ever

649
00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:13.760
been a clearly established motive for why
Pam did this, as she only claimed

650
00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:16.760
that she blacked out and didn't even
remember it. But if she was capable

651
00:47:16.760 --> 00:47:21.880
of doing that to her own son, then she was definitely capable of doing

652
00:47:21.880 --> 00:47:27.079
something to Marlena. Overall, if
this story had ended with Marlena's disappearance and

653
00:47:27.159 --> 00:47:30.760
the only evidence against Pam was her
own confession, I'd be more inclined to

654
00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:36.800
believe she might be innocent, But
the stabbing incident does point to her most

655
00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:40.400
likely being responsible for what happened to
her daughter. Most of the promising leads

656
00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:45.280
which pointed to a stranger abduction would
end up leading to a dead end,

657
00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:50.039
and well, I wouldn't completely rule
out the possibility that Marlena was abducted by

658
00:47:50.079 --> 00:47:53.559
someone who was never popped up on
the radar. All roads just seemed to

659
00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:58.880
lead back to her mother. Even
if Pam did not actually kill Marlena.

660
00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:02.119
I guess the alternate possibility is that
she could have sold or given away her

661
00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:07.760
daughter. But no conclusive evidence is
ever surface to prove that Marlena is still

662
00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:12.800
alive after all these years. It's
such a sad case. We're talking about

663
00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:16.400
a disappearance of a little girl who
didn't get a chance to grow up at

664
00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:21.320
least with her family right, and
it leaves us with a question of what

665
00:48:21.440 --> 00:48:23.559
happened to her? Where is she? And for me, the mom and

666
00:48:23.639 --> 00:48:28.719
me says, if we don't know
that she was killed, could she be

667
00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:32.000
hurt by somebody, Could she be
held by somebody? Could she be trafficked

668
00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:36.280
by somebody? And in many ways, to me, that's more horrific and

669
00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:39.719
terrifying than knowing her body was safe
at home with me and that I had

670
00:48:39.719 --> 00:48:44.719
a burial. In those kinds of
things, So I'm like you, Jules,

671
00:48:45.039 --> 00:48:49.599
I tend to err on like Pam
had to have some knowledge of this.

672
00:48:50.119 --> 00:48:52.360
Did she make a mistake and it
was too much of a risk to

673
00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:55.840
tell the truth. Did she need
to cover for something, did she need

674
00:48:55.880 --> 00:49:00.880
to cover for someone. Did she
have an accident where she hurt the baby

675
00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:04.000
or even worse, is this something
where she had planned to get rid of

676
00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:08.360
her and get rid of that burden
in her wife. None of those situations

677
00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:14.280
create a healthy or good outcome for
Marlena, So it's just so tragic.

678
00:49:14.320 --> 00:49:17.280
It's so sad. As far as
we can tell, Pam Bailey is still

679
00:49:17.320 --> 00:49:21.840
a free woman and has stayed off
the radar these past several years, but

680
00:49:21.920 --> 00:49:24.800
she definitely seems to be an enigma. Part of me just wants to accept

681
00:49:24.840 --> 00:49:29.719
that she's simply a bad person who
murdered one of her own children and attempted

682
00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:32.119
to murder another one. But I
do get the sense that she probably went

683
00:49:32.159 --> 00:49:36.519
through some trauma on her own during
her childhood. It may not have been

684
00:49:36.519 --> 00:49:40.400
in full control of her mental faculties
when she perpetuated these horrible acts. This

685
00:49:40.519 --> 00:49:45.320
doesn't excuse Pam's action, of course, but trying to figure out is definitely

686
00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:49.519
one of the most baffling aspects of
this story. Since Pam already made one

687
00:49:49.559 --> 00:49:52.320
confession about what she did to Marlena, I suppose the best chance we have

688
00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:57.000
of this case being solved is for
her to feel the need to confess again

689
00:49:57.119 --> 00:50:00.519
someday, only this time she'll be
able to lead the authorities to Marlena's remains

690
00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:06.760
or provide some sort of conclusive evidence
which proves she's telling the truth. Because

691
00:50:06.760 --> 00:50:09.719
even after three decades of all these
major twists and turns, there's a four

692
00:50:09.800 --> 00:50:14.159
year old girl who is still missing, and even if she's no longer with

693
00:50:14.239 --> 00:50:17.159
us, this case deserves full closure. So if you hapen to have any

694
00:50:17.199 --> 00:50:23.039
information about the unsolved disappearance of Marlina
Childress, please contact the Obayan County Sheriff's

695
00:50:23.039 --> 00:50:28.880
Department at seven three one eight eight
five five to eight three two at seven

696
00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:34.280
three one, eight eight five five
A three two Jules Ashley, any final

697
00:50:34.280 --> 00:50:38.159
thoughts on this case. This is
one of those cases where it doesn't feel

698
00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:43.880
like there's going to be much progress
in the case because, like you said,

699
00:50:44.239 --> 00:50:49.079
it's going to require that the actual
perpetrator, which in my gut I

700
00:50:49.119 --> 00:50:52.079
think is probably Pam or someone that
Pam knows it, is going to be

701
00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:54.800
apprehended. Anne or Pam is going
to have to, like you said,

702
00:50:54.880 --> 00:51:00.400
tell a news story and a story
that's the truth so that a lot of

703
00:51:00.400 --> 00:51:04.239
things can happen so that this case
can be closed, but more importantly that

704
00:51:04.280 --> 00:51:09.039
people can have answers. There's no
winners here. So if we prove Pam

705
00:51:09.199 --> 00:51:15.559
did this right, you have collateral
damage around her, her son, her

706
00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:21.159
ex husband, her dad, these
people who forever have been saying, please

707
00:51:21.199 --> 00:51:22.639
tell me that's not the case,
right, Like, I do not think

708
00:51:22.679 --> 00:51:25.840
that's the case, And in many
ways I'm actually going to prove it's something

709
00:51:25.880 --> 00:51:30.840
different so that I can sleep at
night and not think that someone I love

710
00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:35.679
hurt our baby. Right And so
oh, it's just one of those cases

711
00:51:35.679 --> 00:51:38.760
where how do you win? I
wish we could put our hands on Marlena

712
00:51:38.840 --> 00:51:42.719
and know that she's safe. I
want it to be one of those stories

713
00:51:42.920 --> 00:51:46.320
that comes across Facebook and says,
you know, thirty years later, Marlena

714
00:51:46.400 --> 00:51:50.599
found going under this name and she's
healthy and successful and all these things,

715
00:51:50.599 --> 00:51:53.960
because Robin, you've had those stories
before. But this one just seems very

716
00:51:54.000 --> 00:51:59.039
bleak, very dark. I think
that there is so much to be said

717
00:51:59.079 --> 00:52:02.679
for Luide's strictly his love for his
daughter and his love for Marlena, and

718
00:52:02.679 --> 00:52:07.599
that he really tirelessly pursued a lot
of leads. It's just unfortunate that these

719
00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:13.880
leads that were ruled out early on
seemed to be pushed really hard. They're

720
00:52:13.880 --> 00:52:17.440
all really confusing, like the hairdresser, the waitress, and the one that

721
00:52:17.559 --> 00:52:22.800
really does kind of stick with me
is the crystal sighting. The fact that

722
00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:27.320
she was described as looking similar and
the silver capped teeth, the fact that

723
00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:30.360
she that she was hidden inside more
than the other children, and that she

724
00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:35.320
told a social worker that her name
was Marlena. It is really compelling,

725
00:52:35.480 --> 00:52:38.840
even if it isn't indeed Marlena.
Just who is this crystal girl and who

726
00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:43.880
gave her to this family that were
also called the childresses, which is so

727
00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:47.920
weird. I think that given the
situation with Pam, the way that she

728
00:52:49.039 --> 00:52:53.440
acted in the aftermath of what she
said was an abduction with this red car

729
00:52:53.480 --> 00:53:00.199
screeching, it just isn't in alignment
with how a person would typically act.

730
00:53:00.239 --> 00:53:04.400
And yes, of course, trauma
will make people act in very strange ways,

731
00:53:04.480 --> 00:53:07.079
as we can see by nine one. One calls and we'll often listen

732
00:53:07.119 --> 00:53:10.440
to them or you know, look
at them through the lens of all we

733
00:53:10.559 --> 00:53:13.400
know that they're guilty or not,
and then we're like, well, of

734
00:53:13.400 --> 00:53:15.440
course they were, look at the
way they were acting. And so I

735
00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:19.599
think in this situation, it's not
necessarily that we're going okay, well,

736
00:53:19.639 --> 00:53:22.239
Pam confess, therefore we're looking at
it through the lens of she's guilty.

737
00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:25.960
I think it's just just objectively weird, you know. I think, like

738
00:53:27.079 --> 00:53:30.679
ash had said, you could be
in this traumatic kind of state of shock

739
00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:34.719
for five minutes, ten minutes,
maybe even fifteen, but forty five minutes.

740
00:53:34.719 --> 00:53:37.800
She doesn't claim she was in shock. She says she was looking around

741
00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:40.960
the neighborhood, which just is not
the appropriate response. And I think that

742
00:53:42.239 --> 00:53:45.360
Ashley had on a really important point
when she said that Pam became a mother

743
00:53:45.440 --> 00:53:50.519
four months ago to Damon, and
I think that there can be some really

744
00:53:50.760 --> 00:53:54.760
really traumatic things that happened to the
body in the aftermath of giving birth.

745
00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:59.920
Your hormones are all over the place. Postpartum depression is a very real thing

746
00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:02.360
for a lot of women. Postpartum
psychosis is a lot more rare, but

747
00:54:02.440 --> 00:54:08.719
it does indeed happen. But it
could be responsible for Pam not remembering accurately

748
00:54:08.840 --> 00:54:15.079
what exactly happened to Marlena, potentially
remembering that she indeed was responsible, but

749
00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:22.039
not really knowing where the body was, and somehow kind of intertwining these memories

750
00:54:22.159 --> 00:54:28.039
of what happened with Marlene's body and
how she disposed of it with this potential

751
00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:30.880
sexual abuse trauma at the hands of
pl Summers when she was a child,

752
00:54:31.280 --> 00:54:35.400
which if that did indeed happen,
and I think it is, there's a

753
00:54:35.480 --> 00:54:39.119
very strong likelihood given the fact that
she went and took her son to a

754
00:54:39.199 --> 00:54:44.679
cemetery and she tried to murder him. Basically there was premeditation there. It

755
00:54:44.760 --> 00:54:49.840
seems that there is definitely some trauma
in Pam's past. But I think at

756
00:54:49.840 --> 00:54:53.519
the end of the day, the
person who is responsible for Marlena's disappearance and

757
00:54:53.639 --> 00:54:58.880
the death of Marlena is Pam.
Yes, I, like I mentioned in

758
00:54:58.880 --> 00:55:01.119
my last episode, the first time
that I became familiar with this case is

759
00:55:01.159 --> 00:55:06.280
when I watched the Unsolved Mysteries episode
when it aired in nineteen ninety and back

760
00:55:06.320 --> 00:55:09.039
then I just assumed that the sightings
of Marlena at the hair salon and Memphis

761
00:55:09.079 --> 00:55:13.760
were legitimate, and that even though
Pama confessed, I didn't believe she was

762
00:55:13.800 --> 00:55:16.639
guilty because of the year were sightings
of Marlena after she went missing, so

763
00:55:16.679 --> 00:55:20.880
she has to be alive somewhere,
right. But as the years went on,

764
00:55:21.159 --> 00:55:23.599
I found out that Pam attempted to
stab one of her other children many

765
00:55:23.679 --> 00:55:28.519
years later, and of course the
Memphis sighting was debunked, so I came

766
00:55:28.559 --> 00:55:32.440
to conclude that Pam was likely responsible
from our latest disappearance. And in most

767
00:55:32.480 --> 00:55:37.599
cases, when you find out about
a suspicious looking parent who may have been

768
00:55:37.639 --> 00:55:40.199
responsible for the death of your child, you're automatically going to hate them.

769
00:55:40.199 --> 00:55:44.239
But in Pam Bailey's case, I
think it's a lot more complex because I

770
00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:46.599
do kind of pity her, because
I do think she was a troubled person

771
00:55:46.599 --> 00:55:51.440
who probably endured a lot of trauma
in her life, and that the sexual

772
00:55:51.480 --> 00:55:54.519
abuse allegations against p L. Summers
were most likely true, and that she

773
00:55:54.599 --> 00:55:58.840
had a lot of mental health issues, and that even if she did harm

774
00:55:58.880 --> 00:56:01.360
Marlena and get rid of her body, there is a possibility that she is

775
00:56:01.480 --> 00:56:07.000
legitimately blocked it out and might not
even know where her daughter's body is.

776
00:56:07.559 --> 00:56:10.119
And I think it does say something
that when she went to prison for attempting

777
00:56:10.159 --> 00:56:15.480
to stab her son fifteen years later, her ex husband just flat out said

778
00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:19.239
I would petition for her release.
I don't think she should be locked up.

779
00:56:19.800 --> 00:56:22.400
My son is not afraid of her. I don't think she's an evil

780
00:56:22.440 --> 00:56:25.679
person. She just did something that
she probably doesn't even remember. So it

781
00:56:25.840 --> 00:56:29.679
just, like I said, Pam
is quite an enigma. You wonder what

782
00:56:29.760 --> 00:56:35.079
kind of person is she. She's
someone who's been accused of possibly murdering one

783
00:56:35.079 --> 00:56:37.840
of her own children and attempted to
murder one of her other children, Yet

784
00:56:37.840 --> 00:56:40.960
you don't know what the potential motive
was, and you just wonder, like,

785
00:56:42.159 --> 00:56:45.800
is she just a very troubled person
who had no control of her faculties

786
00:56:45.800 --> 00:56:49.840
when she did this. But even
though I still feel some sympathy for I

787
00:56:49.880 --> 00:56:52.960
do feel that she was responsible for
what happened to Marlina, and I do

788
00:56:53.039 --> 00:56:58.239
hope that if she does remember some
day, if she still remembers what happened,

789
00:56:58.239 --> 00:57:00.599
that she might be compelled to share
the full truth one day and we

790
00:57:00.639 --> 00:57:05.320
will finally find out what happened to
Marlena. But until then, this is

791
00:57:05.360 --> 00:57:08.400
just a very sad story with no
winners, and it remains like a very

792
00:57:08.440 --> 00:57:13.880
haunting unsolved mystery. Robin, do
you want to tell us a little bit

793
00:57:13.880 --> 00:57:16.800
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Yes, The Trail Cold Patreon has been

794
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795
00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:27.519
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796
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799
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about the cases featured in this episode. And incidentally, the very first episode

805
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that I did a commentary track over
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really enjoying doing those, so we
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