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Billy Cunningham, the Great America will
welcome this Tuesday afternoon. The Ohio couple

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will be contested tonight and tomorrow Cleveland
in Town, Reds off on Thursday back

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in Milwaukee in Milwaukee Friday, Saturday
and Sunday. But of course, the

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Caitlin markeing case continues to cause a
lot of angs to throughout the tri State.

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It looks as if John Carter,
the supposed fiancee if Caitlin Markham,

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is getting off somewhat light, and
many are concerned about why no reporter in

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town is more connected to this case
than the great Karen Johnson of News five.

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And she's been with it for the
last thirteen years or so. And

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Caitlyn was a few days shorter of
r twenty second birthday when she was murdered

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by John Carter, who said guilty. But instead of a murder charge,

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it was broken down to involuntary manslaughter, like the unintentional killing of another while

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committing some other offense, which is
kind of a light punishment when you consider

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these such things. So Karen Johnson, once again, welcome to the Bill

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Cunningham Show. And Karen, in
your long repertorial history going back many years.

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Where does the Caitlin Markham case score
when it comes to your concern,

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your involvement, your sense of injustice
in this case? Yeah, you know,

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really good afternoon. I have to
tell you this is one that I

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have been with since day one,
since the day that John Carter first talked

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to us, and it's up there. This one and the Ryan Windmer are

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two. I would say that I
have become completely attached to just because there

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are two cases that I you know, thaught through to until the very end.

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And in terms of this case,
you know the outcome. I know

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there's a lot of outras, there's
a lot of anger, people are upset.

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But I have also spoken to prosecutors, have spoken to Dave Markham,

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and there's a whole other side that
they have to understand that this was a

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circumstantial case. There was zero direct
evidence. So at the end of the

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day, you know, I'm not
I'm not you know, behind closed doors

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with prosecutors, But at the end
of the day, you kind of have

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to the weigh your options there when
it is a circumstance case, circumstantial case,

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and I suppose the fear was if
they want to trial in a murder

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case. Maybe probably the Jerry and
Butler County would have convicted him a murder,

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but then you got a lengthy appeal
process. And when you have only

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circumstantial evidence, some of most of
which points toward Gilp, but some of

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which doesn't, you're rolling the dice
whether either the Butler County jury or down

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the road he's going to be walk
off completely. And a defense council,

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according to my mosure of the prosecutor, came to them with the deal.

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They came to them and said,
we'll take involuntary manslaughter. That's extremely unusual.

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Explain that process, yeah, because
you know, usually the prosecutors and

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it was my understanding too, you
know, I just assumed that, you

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know, prosecutors came to them with
the deal. But here you are,

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two weeks out before trial and the
sense team, according to my sources,

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went to prosecutors and said, you
know, hey, how about this deal?

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And you know there were discussions.
I could tell you. I was

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in the courthouse Wednesday and there were
some rumblings that this was taking place,

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and then Friday it was a done
deal. You know, But if you

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look at the difference murder and involuntary
manslaughter way different way, different penalties.

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But you got to think about it. You're talking about jurors. You never

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know, you just need that one
duror to hang a jury, even if

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if you're not talking about, you
know, guilt or not guilty. If

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this I feel like lately there's been
so many hung juries. Could you imagine

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Dave Markham if he had to sit
through this even longer, if this went

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a trial and there was a hung
jury and they had to sit through it

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longer. To me, that's kind
of what I have been thinking about and

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trying to explain to people because people
thought it was a slam dunk, you

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know who did it. People had
people coining their finger at Don Carter immediately,

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and you know that's not the key. The statute says no person shall

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cause the death of another as approximate
result of the offenders committing or attempting to

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commit a felony. So what was
the felony that John Carter was committing which

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caused the death of another without the
specific intent to kill the person? What

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was the other felony? And I
guess is that still up in the air.

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That's still up in the air.
And actually when the prosecutor Brad Buris

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when he read in court they said
he committed misdemeanor assault which caused the death

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of Caitlin Markham. Those were his
words. So I'm not a legal expert

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and attorney, but it seems like
it was a misdemeanor according to this plea

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deal that ended Caitlyn's death. So
it was a misdemeanor such as desecration of

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a corpse, uh, something of
that character. We don't know yet,

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A misdemeanor assault, a misdemeanor assaultsalts, So I don't know that. Yeah,

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a misdemeanor of assault. So I
would love to hear from an attorney

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exactly what that could be. In
my mind, I was thinking, Okay,

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maybe you get into it, you're
in a fight with somebody, and

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you know, maybe she accidentally fell
or you know, I would love to

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hear from an attorney what that could
be. Well, allegedly, I guess

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the allegation is you might have got
into a physical a DV situation and one

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one thing led to another and maybe
hit her and she fell and hit her

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head. Something like that would apply. He didn't specifically mean anything. Yeah,

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And I guess according to the plea
deal. The intent wasn't there.

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Yeah, there was no intent specifically
to murder, and maybe that's it.

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But I think all all of us
kind of know what happened, that he

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killed her and somehow desecrated the corpse
and did whatever and I don't know where.

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Well, I guess it's completely unjust. But when I talked to other

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prosecutors, they tell me, Look, this happens kind of all the time,

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in which case we think, when
what happened, well, we can't

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prove what happened, and they can't
risk going to trial and having been found

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not guilty, then he's free for
eternity. And John Carter, I would

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have to think, had certainly,
certainly apprehension of guilt, otherwise he wouldn't

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have said guilty in court. Was
that something Dave Markham, the father wanted

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to hear, was guilty that you
killed my girl? Yes, I think

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that is something detective wanted to hear. I think that's something Dave Markham here,

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front row seat, here, front
row seat, he watched John Carter

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say that word guilty. But I
think this is what angers the family,

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this is what angers the community.
He had thirteen years to admit this and

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we've interviewed him multiple times. I
know many people have talked to him.

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It was deny deny, deny,
deny, deny having anything to do with

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her death or knowing what happened to
her. And he was indicted a year

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ago, So this whole year what
happened. It was until two weeks before

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trial. Yile and talking to Dave
Markham on Saturday, he feels like this

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was planned out. No, waited
to two weeks that way he could be

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free for this entire time, the
longest amount of time. And it's like,

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Okay, at the last second,
I'm going to take a leavial.

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You know, your interview with Detective
Joe Nerlinger and the sergeant Rob Whitlock was

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great because they seemed to indicate others
were involved in at least disposal desecration of

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the body. Explain that to the
American people. Yeah, So they had

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those two detectives had the case for
a little bit. First, it started

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off with Spairfuieal police. The investigation
really went nowhere. In twenty fifteen,

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Dave Markham asked the Butler County Sheriff, can you please have investigators put a

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set of eyes on this? So
that is when Whitlock and Nerlinger picked up

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the case. They investigated for four
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They were speculating when I asked that
question, because I think that is

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something so many people asked over the
years. Was it just John Carder?

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Were there other people in They said, in their opinion, they do believe

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John acted alone, but could have
there been other people who helped move the

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body from Fairfield the seed of Road, Indiana. They said, in their

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opinion, they do believe that maybe
he had help. And also maybe yet

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two other three q or three other
people knew what happened. Did they speculate

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us who those two other one or
two other people might be who have kept

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silent for thirteen years? Did they
speculate who that might be? No,

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they did not speculate, and they
did not want to go there at this

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time. And as far as that
aspect, maybe that investigation continues. If

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it's a murder case, the statue
doesn't run. But anything else the statute

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would have run unless they secreted themselves
out of the jurisdiction. And who knows,

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but these detectives know. Whether I
always use the term of the bodies

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are buried in this case literally,
and they believe others are involved other than

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John Carter. Yeah, that's what
they believe now, the prospect to forget

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after they investigated, then the prosecutor
picked it up in twenty twenty, they

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had their own investigators also do a
lot more legwork, a lot more digging,

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And I'm hoping after sentencing, Mike
Moser will give us access to his

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detectives because I would love to know
what they've found, because I know they

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found stuff even after the Sheriff's investigators. So there's a lot of set of

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investigating, lots of sets of investigators
who had a hand in this, and

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I would like to know they kind
of like weaved all the pieces together at

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the very end to get the indictment. So I would love to talk to

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them to find out their thoughts on
how everything unfolded, because we still don't

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know exactly how she died. You
know, there was never a cause of

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death. We don't know, you
know, there's so many unknowns, and

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I think that is what Dave Markham
Fairfield community family friends of Caitlin, they

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kind of want to know exactly what
happened and we don't know. During the

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murder trial hoping that would come out. The risk of doing so is the

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killer would get off free for life
and move about because Butler County jury's,

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as you may know, are very
difficult. I mean, if criminal defense

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lawyers, you don't want to go
in front of a Butler County jury.

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I'm not like a Hamlet County jury. You don't want to go in front

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of a Boone County jury. Well, because they're tough. And if they

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would have found him even guilty,
you had ten years of appeals, he

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would have been out. At some
point. The case was thin, and

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I've heard some law enforcement officials tell
me it began with Fairfield police that went

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on for two or three years.
Then it went to Butler County and the

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professionals Nerlinger and Whitlock got involved.
They brought in BCI, they had FBI

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elements. Was there a screw up
in the beginning of the investigation in the

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first year or two, you know, I don't know that for a fact,

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but I can tell you from talking
to sources, they feel like it

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wasn't investigated properly, it wasn't done
thorough. But I am not going to

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speculate, cause I don't have those
facts. Is something then I would love

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to talk to the detective with the
investigators with the prosecutor's office, who you

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know, got to look at everything. But I can tell you it really

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didn't go anywhere. Even after Caitlin's
remains were found in Indiana, it didn't

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go anywhere. Fairfield had the case. I remember, I was actually looking

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back on my notes and on August
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disappeared, we reported according to Fairfield
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So that was what they thought,
you know, from the get go,

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they did not suspect foul play.
Four days after the disappearance of Kaitlin Barkham,

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we had reported the Fairfield Police told
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And by that point the body was
somewhere in Indiana, taken there by

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John Carter at all and the Fairfield
police said, we don't suspect foul play.

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What she disappeared? Did she go
to Mexican? What did they say?

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We don't have a body, you
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And I remember, you know,
back then, beyond the searches, there

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are people who are saying, you
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She might she just got newly engaged. Maybe she wasn't happy twenty one

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year old. You know, just
sometimes disappear from life. Because Carter had

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no thing early on. And Carter
had no previous record, right, he

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wasn't a criminal mastermind, but he
didn't have a criminal run. No,

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not at all, not at all. And I'm actually sitting at my desk

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right before you called, and I'm
listening to the first interview I ever did

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with John Carter. And you know, I'm just now in hindsight going back

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and listening to in watching the recordings, it fits a little differently. Wow.

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And this point he's been free and
then sentencings happening. When about two

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three weeks July eighteenth, yep,
July eighteenth, two thirty and gets anywhere

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from probration to a maximum of three
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believe. I would have to believe
one hundred percent he's going to be maxed

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out, because if this guy's not
maxed out on an involuntary manslaughter and the

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obvious murder of Caitlin Markham, there's
no justice. And Butler County judges are

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tough. I often remember I had
drug cases in Butler County and Hamlety County,

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and I have the same set of
facts with a different defendant. And

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Butler County would frequently send people to
prison. Hamilty County woull put them on

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probation and get them treatment. And
I would have to think the trial judge

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in Butler County, knowing everything about
this case, knows that Carter got off

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light for what he did. And
I would assume that Norlinger and Whitlock of

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the Butler County Sheriff's Department all are
going to continue investigating the case to see

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if others might have been involved in
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I don't know. Did they indicate
to you the investigation continues except relative

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to John Carter? They did not. But again, right now it's in

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the prosecutor's hands. I was speaking
with some attorneys though about that. You

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know, could anyone be charged with
the abuse of a corpse or any other

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other crimes? And a lot of
those statute of limitations have run out well

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in terms of other charges. It
would be interesting to see. The only

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way it wouldn't run out is if
the defendant had voluntarily left the jurisdiction.

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And if you're out of the jurisdiction
for many years for the purpose of evading

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discovery of your crime, then I
can toll the statute. But other than

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that, after thirteen years, it's
done. And well, thank you for

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coming on this afternoon, and you've
done great work here and at Karen Johnson

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of News FI And we'll see what
happens down the road. But Ryan Widmer,

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he's I assume he's still doing his
time. Do you know what I

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think that case. I think he
might be up for pearl next year.

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I think it's been about fifteen years, so he got fifteen a life and

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fifteen years is coming. Was justice
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Was justice done? I am not
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going there. People ask my opinion
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I don't discuss opinions. Well,
in your opinion, did John Carter get

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justice? Did Caitlin Markham get justice? I'm not going there, Willie.

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All right, Karen, thank you
very much. But no one's followed these

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cases and been more involved in you
and congratulations, But after all, it's

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your job. You do it quite
well and Karen Johnson, a News five,

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thank you for coming on the Bill
Cunningham Show this Tuesday afternoon. Thank

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you very much. All right,
thank you, Karen. Let's continue with

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more and as you know, Hunter
Biden has been convicted of all charges,

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so we're going to deal with that
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of the Reds News Radio seven hundred
WLW. Listening to a man standing on

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a city sidewalk isn't funny. Listening
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getting soiled by a pigeon, ooh
crap, he is funny. Eddie and

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Rocky are also funny. So when
you think of someone getting the poopy head,

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oh crap, think of Eddie and
Rocky, Eddie and Rockey. This

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afternoon at three seven hundred WLW.
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provider who will determine if appropriate restrictions. Placy website for details. Now all

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right now, Billy Cunningham. Many
legal issues are percolating. I was surprised

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that the quick conviction of Hunter Biden. The jurors followed the law, they

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listened to the facts, and they
convicted him of three offenses that carry up

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to twenty five years in prison.
They include he's, by the way,

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Hunter Biden is fifty four years old. He was charged with three different federal

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offenses, having committed one act.
So making a false claim on the application

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is one. So when you buy
a weapon, there's a federal firearms form

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you fill out in which you say
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not on drugs. You can be
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you can't be on illegal drugs.
Obviously he was. And secondly, he

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was saying he was not a drug
abuse and illegally, therefore he didn't have

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criminal responsibility, which certainly was not
the case. So it was three different

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offenses but involved essentially one act committing
three offenses. Now it faces up to

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twenty five years in prison when sentenced
in about three months by Judge Mary Ellen

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Noraka, who indicates, by the
way, she's a Trump appointee and by

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every indication, she tried one heck
of a case. The judge set no

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date for sentencing, but added the
timeline is usually about one hundred and twenty

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days, which will put this thing
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a few a week or two a
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I looked at the sentencing guidelines.
You know, there's guidelines who add points

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and subtract points based upon several factors. It appears the low end of the

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federal guidelines is fifteen months and the
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But you can deviate or aggravate based
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When I talk to a couple of
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in today's world that a shorter sentence
is very likely and he could be not

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serve a day in jail. There's
no mandatory minimums on this, and he's

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less likely to be incarcerated if he
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which I think in the sense he
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worst thing in the world. No, but you can't lie on federal forms

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because if you lie in federal forms, literally there's thousands of Americans or serving

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time in jail. As I speak. For lying on federal forms, it

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depends what you did with the gun
thereafter. And in this case, he

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had it for eleven days, and
I guess that one of his girlfriends at

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the time thought that if he continued
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to kill himself or use it to
do other bad acts with so she put

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it in a dumpster near a school. So would I be shocked if he

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got fifteen months in jail, Yes, more or less because of his age

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and his drug addiction and supposedly his
recovery that a federal judge here may cut

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him a break. But if it
was your son, would you pardon him

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or commut a sentence to zero?
I know I would. Every man I

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speak with says it was your son, and you have the power to pardon

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or commut a sentence, what would
you do? Everyone has said I pardon

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him, and I know President Joe
Biden said a few days ago in France

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that he's not going to pardoner commuti
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or another, either Joe Biden's going
to be a lame duck because he starts

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another term in a sense, or
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Either way, Joe Biden is going
to pardon Hunter Biden. It's just

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a done deal. Now there's something
else percolating with Hunter Biden. That is

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the federal tax charges which I think
are the more serious charges in California,

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which is going to go to try
in September failing to pay one point four

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million in taxes and the income was
north of four million dollars. So what

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did Hunter Biden do as a crack
cocaine addict that was worth literally millions and

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millions of dollars from Chinese, Ukrainian
and Russian interests including Romania. By the

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way, he didn't pay taxes.
Now, the Feds waited until the FAARA

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violations were beyond the statute of limitations. Fare is a foreign Agent Registration Act.

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So was Hunter Biden acting on behalf
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to influence an American election or American
politics? Answer that question is absolutely yes.

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That carries twenty years in jail,
and of course it's federal. That

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means his dad can pardon for that
too. But the legal problems for Hunter

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Biden are not over. And this
information was gleaned by Congressional Republicans, whof

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signaled they will keep going after him, and they're stole in peachment effort that

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is the president. Because a president
is the dawn of the family. He's

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the Marlon Brando of the family.
He's the one orchestrating the collection of millions

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and millions of dollars from all over
the world through his son Hunter another interest.

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And as proof of that, two
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agents named Shapeley and Ziggler both testified
under oath about a year ago that they

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wanted to pursue a federal criminal fair
of violations and tax violations of Hunter Biden

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to the tune of tens of millions
of dollars. They were blocked by the

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I r S Chief Council. The
matter got over to the Department of Justice

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under Joe Biden, and they decided
to give Hunter Biden and Joe Biden a

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Texas El Paso. And that's interesting. And in this trial you talk about

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a disgusting human being. Shouldn't be
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God Almighty for these allegations. They
allegations. He admitted to it that after

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his beloved brother Bo Biden died,
who was the Attorney General of Delaware,

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spent time in Iraq, came back, ran for political office, was elected.

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The attorney general developed brain cancer,
and of course the Biden family you

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can imagine bo Biden was perceived as
the Michael Corleone of the family. He

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was the ones going to take over
and become senator, become governor, become

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president whatever, and he was the
age. By every reasonable indications, bo

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Biden seemed to be a good man
who volunteered when he didn't have to and

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served faithfully in a rock as an
army officer. When he came back several

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years he ran for office and I
of course in Delaware. And after he

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was dead, of course, his
wife Hallie was destroyed emotionally, and so

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Hunter Biden prayed upon her emotions started
having sex with the widow of his dead

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brother. And that wasn't enough.
Hunter Biden then hooked her on crack cocaine.

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Are you kidding me? No,
I'm not kidding you. And it's

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obvious he bought and sold drugs for
years and years, which, by the

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way, how many people are in
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I think a lot. He also
evaded taxes of millions and millions of

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dollars to benefit himself, his uncle
Jim, and his father Joe, and

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other aspects of the Biden family.
He also did not register of course,

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as a foreign agent working on behalf
of foreign corporate interest to influence American domestic

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policy. Didn't do any of that, And so this is almost like al

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Capone being convicted of a tax violation
when he did all these other things anyway,

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buying and selling crack cocaine and drugs
and methamphetamine. It appears that the

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prostitutes he was with were underage,
but who knows. And he was so

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stupid as to record himself doing this
thing, wrote about it and admit it

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to years and years of terrible,
terrible drug problems, and of course the

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money is to bribe his father,
Joe. All fueled the drug habits of

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Hunter Biden, and in his book
Quote Beautiful Things, he talks about hitting

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rock bottom after the death of his
brother Bow in twenty fifteen and is to

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send into serious hardcore drugs led him
to do things that no man should ever

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do. He said, I was
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not responsible. Well, you know, if you're in the throes of alcoholism,

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it doesn't mean you can drive drunk. And if you're in the throes

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of a cocaine problem, which obviously
Hunter Biden is That doesn't mean you can

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buy and sell prostitutes, involve yourself
in human trafficking, and take millions of

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dollars on behalf of your dad,
the president, to affect American foreign policy

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and including Parisma. He was paid
something in the range of eighty five thousand

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dollars a month from Resma and Energy
company in Ukraine when he had no interest

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nobility. It was simply meant to
bribe his dad, Joe, who then

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got a prosecutor in the Ukraine fired
in exchange for a one billion dollar loan

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from the Obama administration. I mean, this thing is truly You couldn't make

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this up. This is al capone. He did all these other things,

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but the FEDS came after him for
a form that he checked when he got

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a gun for god knows the reason. His attorney, Abbey Lowell, had

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argued that Hunter Biden's state of mind
was different when he wrote the book than

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when he bought the gun. And
fortunately the jurors, despite the best efforts

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of doctor Joe Biden and the head
of the NAACP, did not sway the

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jury because this is an open and
shutcase. If this guy's name was was

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Hunter Smith or Hunter Jones, it
never would have come to trial. He

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was banking on jury nullification, which
is, of course, he committed the

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offense. He committed all these crimes. But after all, he's a Biden

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and this is Delaware. God blessed
that jury for seeing through it and finding

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him guilty, and Hunter Biden hoped
last year resolved this long standing investigation.

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The Feds under Joe Biden agreed to
a sweetheart deal to plead guilty to misdemeanor

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tax offenses to avoid prosecution and put
him on diversion and the grunt and the

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gun case if you stayed out of
trouble for two years. But the federal

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judge say, wait a minute,
really, how many tens of millions did

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he collect for the Biden family?
Is that why Joe Biden has houses on

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the coastline of the Landing Ocean when
he's never he says, never made more

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than four hundred thousand dollars a year
his entire life? Is that the reason?

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And the judge said, this isn't
fair, this isn't right. So

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they waited till the more serious allegations
of affair of violation had the statute ran.

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Then they had hopes that the jury
in Wilmington, Delaware would give him

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a Biden immunity, and it didn't
happen, And so this could be used

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as an excuse by the President to
get out of the race himself. He

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might say, look, I have
too many family difficulties and obviously I want

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to spend more time with Hunter,
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I continue to say, write this
down. Today's date is January,

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as June the eleventh, Write this
down. I still do not believe that

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Joe Biden is going to be the
Democratic nominee. He is so bad and

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getting worse, and the media has
covered for him for so long that the

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House of Cards there's a good name
for a TV show, House of Cards

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will collapse, and that at some
point, whoever the leaders of the Democrat

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Party might be nationally is going to
go to him and say, we can't

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do it. And by the way, Kamala Harris, we can't do it

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with you either, because you're worse
than Joe Biden. Let's go get the

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governor of California, maybe get the
governor of Michigan, Whitmer, and and

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see what happens. But the leaders
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by one or two prominent United States
Senators Republicans that there's lots of rumors in

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the background that the last effort by
Biden's day is the nominee of the party

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is the June twenty seventh debate with
Trump, which is why they scheduled it.

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Joe Biden had nothing to do with
it. The handler said, let's

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put him out there June twenty seventh, and if he fails miserably, that

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gives us about seven weeks to make
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Gavin Newsom or Governor Whittmer or someone
else, and they will run over the

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top of Kamala Harris because Kamala Harris
is a clown and she can't be the

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president. She might do worse than
Joe Biden's going to do, So we'll

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see what happens with that. Also, Karen Johnson does great work with John

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Carter and with Caitlin Markham, twenty
two year old girl killed by John Carter,

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and that law enforcement has told me
that the first year or two of

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the case, it was completely screwed
up. I don't want to mention names.

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I won't do that I have great
respect for police officers. But nonetheless,

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by the time that Butler County Sheriff's
Office took over Detective Norlinger and Sergeant

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Whitlock, the pros got involved,
they brought in BCI and by that case,

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by that time they couldn't they didn't
think make a murder case. And

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as to the credit of Prosecutor Mesure
and Butler County said, look, it's

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been thirteen years, let's file the
indictment. Let's bring him to trial.

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It's got to be concluded one way
or another. Let's do it. Butler

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County juries, as you may know, are very difficult. It's a criminal

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defense attorney. You don't want to
go to a trial on an if he

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case in Butler County because you're going
to be convicted. In Hamlet the county,

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go to an if he case,
you're going to be acquitted. But

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in Butler County it's going to be
difficult. So I'm told that John Carter's

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attorneys went to Mike Moser, the
county prosecutor, and said, we have

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a deal for you, And they
cogitated for a while and got with Dave

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Markham, the father of Caitlin,
and said what do you want, And

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you may have heard him the other
day with Scott Sloan talking about it,

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he'd rather have murder for the rest
of his life because everyone connected to the

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case firmly believes that this was a
murder, not some involuntary manslaughter, which

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is something unintentional, purposeful killing of
another. In Ohio, no person shall

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cause the death of another as approximate
result of the offenders committing or attempting to

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commit a felony imagined the felon you
might be aggravated assault, which is an

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F five. And that was and
he pled guilty, which means he admits.

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Sometimes in a criminal case, you
complete guilty when you don't admit you

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did it, but you fear longer
sentences if you're convicted. That's not the

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case, Mose you're the prosecutor.
And Dave Markham the day had wanted to

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hear the word guilty coming out of
John Carter's mouth, that he killed his

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girl, and he got that.
Now in July he's going to get the

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max, which is about three years, and he could be out within a

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year and a half for two years, so we'll see what happens there.

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Let's continue with more coming up next
is Tim Hale, a name not familiar

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to you or to me until recently, but Tim Hale was one of the

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individuals, one of the fourteen or
fifteen hundred swept up in January the sixth.

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More and more is coming out about
it, including this information about Nancy

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Pelosi, which is truly remarkable.
And when this was made public by HBO

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a few days ago, it met
with a thud. The media largely did

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not cover it. But as you'll
remember, going back in January sixth,

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the FBI and others had sent repeated
emails to the powers that be in Washington

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that there's maybe as many as one
hundred thousand angry people coming to the Capitol

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January the sixth, and the FBI
sent that in when one hundred thousand people

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move around the country simultaneously coming to
one location, whether it's buses, planes,

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00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:07.400
trains, whatever it might be,
law enforcement knows about that. And

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they sent the missives to Nancy Pelosi's
office, Speaker of the House. She

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sent it on to the Capitol Police
and on him to the mayor Bowser,

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and it kind of died right there. But now in a tape that Nancy

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Pelosi says, quote I take responsibility
quote unquote for not calling out the National

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Guard. If the National Guard been
called out, none of January sixth would

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have happened. And away we go. So these comments of Nancy Pelosi,

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of course they're accurate. And by
the way, the January sixth Committee did

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not play any of this for you
about Nancy Pelosi admitting that was her responsibility

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to guard the Capitol and she failed
to do so. So next up is

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Tim Hale, a January sixth defendant
who spent about three years in gutteral prison

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and the over one year and solitary
confinement inside of Washington, d c.

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Jail, one of the worst places
on earth to be and they kept them

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locked up for many times over a
year without trial, which is, by

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the way, illegal. Tim Hale
is next. Stay tuned for this twelve

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cutting him the great American. Of
course, the Democratic Party is going to

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run once again on January the sixth, and I watch MSNBC, so you

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don't have to. That's what they
deal with, and every afternoon and every

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evening it won't go away because they
see that as a winner politically. Along

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with abortion, killing as many unborn
healthy babies as possible are the two main

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causes of the Democrat Party in this
election. One of the persons swept up

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in this was Tim Hale, who
was a January sixth defendant. I understand

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he was sentenced to about four years
in federal prison. Did about three He

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joins us now in Tim Hale,
welcome, I think for the first time

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to the Bill Cunningham Show. And
I think many Americans would like to know

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your involvement in January sixth. But
first of all, the temper of the

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times. Why did you go there? What was your expectation? And give

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us the temper of the crowd before
it entered the Capitol. Well, sure,

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00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:45.079
well, thank you for having me
on, Bill. Absolutely what happened

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that day. I was there after
an overnight shift. I was working as

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a naval security contractor, a weapons
contractor. I'd worked for the government for

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00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:58.639
about twelve years actually. So I
got off of my overnight shift and I

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00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:02.280
blasted down the road DC from Jersey, and you know, I went there

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in a suit and a tie thinking
it was just going to be a speech.

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So for me and I think a
lot of people, was just going

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to be historic day. I thought
either it would be the last, you

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know, public speech of President Trump's
you know, only term, or god

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willing, it would be the beginning
of his second term, you know,

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and we would pull a rabbit out
of that. It was historic, it

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just wasn't historic in the way that
a lot of us had expected. And

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so the benefit of being out now
is that I've released a lot of video

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from my phone, and I think
this is why they kept a lot of

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us in solitary confinement for so long
as they didn't want the public to see

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this video. You know, the
public has seen the same twenty second clips

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of January sixth, of someone like
breaking a window or something like that for

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three years. But the truth is
that if you look at the video I

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have, people were just listening peacefully
to Trump's speech at the Ellipse and you

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know, by the Washington Monument,
that area in DC and then they just

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gradually and slowly meandered towards the Capitol
building. What people don't realize is that

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a half hour before we show up, a guy named Reyes who's a federal

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informant, and a bunch of you
know, proud boys who were likely infiltrated,

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they breached a perimeter which was guarded
by about five Capitol police, and

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this perimeter, which consists basically of
bike racks, gets knocked over, and

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people don't know that. So this
is this is before Trump's speech is finished.

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And what ends up happening is because
these perimeters were knocked down are basically

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erased, and the fencing around it
too, like little mesh fencing was all

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cut down as well, thousands and
thousands of people unsuspectingly pour into the area,

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not knowing that there is any restricted
restricted area at all, so they

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think that they're just there for a
protest, the First Amendment demonstration, which

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they are. And the video approves
this. I have video where we're just

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we're singing God Bless America, We're
singing the national anthem, you know,

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we're chanting Christ King, you know, we're just having a good time.

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We're peacefully demonstrating, people are waving
their flags and all that chanting USA USA.

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What ends up happening is, again
a lot of most people don't know

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they're not allowed to be there,
and so the Capitol Police basically don't know

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what they're doing. A lot of
them are completely unprepared, and then eventually

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the Metro Police. Actually, I
want to put most of this on the

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Metro PD. There were probably elements
inside the Capitol PD who set this up,

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but the Metro PD are the ones
who escalated it into a full blown

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riot. They started throwing flash bang
grenades at old ladies in the middle of

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the crowd who weren't even doing anything. And then you had agitators who were

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planted inside of the crowd who were
basically giving the cops an excuse to attack

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the crowd, and this created a
snowball effect. The average person has no

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00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:53.039
idea about this, but I have
video and if you if you go to

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my Twitter account Tim Hale criminally Funny
Jay sixer, you can see some of

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this video. Anybody wasn't there doesn't
know the story. So Tim Hale,

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you were not part of some grand
conspiracy of the Proud Boys. You're a

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naval contractor. You're about two hundred
and fifty miles away. You thought,

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you know, I love Donald Trump. Let's go to hear the speech which

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he gave. He said, go
to the Capitol and protest peacefully. And

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you're there. You weren't part of
some grand conspiracy. You were a person

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that said this might be an historical
event, have some free time, let's

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get to Washington, d C.
And then all of a sudden, like

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a wave, you were swept up
in this thing. And have you seen

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the HBO document on what happened with
Nancy Pelosi? It's now available that she

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says, I take responsibility for not
protecting the Capitol and this was Nancy Pelosi.

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Of course this was not well shall
we say, disseminated the last few

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days because it doesn't fit the die
tribe. But what happened on that day?

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But have you seen the h footage
about Nancy Pelosi yelling at her chief

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of staff. Why wasn't the National
Guard here? I take responsibility for that?

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And that is not even today.
It's not a big news item.

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It came out to the last three
or four days, but it's not a

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big news item. Why is that? Well, because she was a part

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of it, and you know,
I hinted that this was sort of an

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inside job. There's actually body camera
footage from the Metro PD and they're yelling.

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They're yelling because they're they're completely outnumbered, and they say, they set

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us up, they set us up. And the question is who's they?

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The Metro PED answer to Mayor Bowser, and the Capital PD answered to Nancy

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Pelosi. So they were obviously set
up by the Democrats in DC because we

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know Trump offered them National Guard support. We also know that Nancy Pelosi's daughter

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was filming the documentary, and I
actually happen to know from being inside the

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DC Gulag that there were two federal
informants named Nathan mcgrave and Ronald Sandlin,

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and they were cored and they were
trying to work footage. They were trying

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to work with Nancy Pelosi's daughter.
They were there with a film basically with

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camera camera crews. So there were
a lot of informants there to stage events

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so that it could be sold or
recycled as insurrection propaganda. And that's also

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00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:22.800
we're going to talk about the fifteen
twelve charge. Eighteen USC. Fifteen twelve

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00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:28.960
was first upheld in federal court for
those very two informants. So federal informants

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are the first defendants who had the
fifteen twelve upheld. And that same charge

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wasn't just used against Jay sixth defendants, it's also now being used against President

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Trump. So this was coordinated years
in advance. So you think who was

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coordinating. Alexandra, who's the daughter
of Nancy Pelosi, has the video which

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wasn't given to the January sixth committee, and what she says to her chief

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00:41:49.840 --> 00:41:52.599
of staff. Quote this Nancy Pelosi
yelling in the back of a limousine,

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we have responsibility, Terry. Terry
being her chief of staff, we did

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not have any accountability for what was
going on there. We should have.

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This is ridiculous. And she's screaming
this quote. You're gonna ask me in

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the middle of this thing when they
already preached the Capitol and that stuff.

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I'm responsible for this. Why didn't
we do more? That's Nancy Pelosi saying

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that. But tell me from your
perspective, Tim Hale, how was this

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who conducted the conspiracy? Why did
this happen? How come there were bicycle

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00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:25.920
racks and no one in the Capitol
or Bowser. Listen to Donald Trump who

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said get the National Guard there.
They were quickly overwhelmed, and all of

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a sudden you were in a wave. Did you commit any criminal acts in

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the Capitol like destruction of property,
breaking down doors, destroying windows? What

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did Tim Hale do on that day? Yeah? No, I mean,

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00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:45.480
look, I'm very open about the
fact that I, like, I've been

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in internet troll for like fourteen years. I'm an amateur comedian. You know,

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I'm kind of a smart guy.
But I was there in a suit

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and tie. I went to Men's
warehouse the night before to get brand new

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00:42:55.920 --> 00:43:00.360
dress shoes. I did try to
be as respectful as possible. Well when

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I went there that day, you
know, I did want to be as

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as much of a representative or as
much of a good citizen as I possibly

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could. So when I went into
the Capitol building, I just wandered around.

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So I didn't assault anybody. I
didn't break anything, I didn't steal

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anything, and most people didn't.
And so if you look at the CCTV

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footage, I'm in the an area
called the crypt I'm looking at the statues,

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00:43:20.719 --> 00:43:24.679
you know. I actually there's a
dorky cliff of me dancing inside the

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00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:28.199
Capital Visitor Center. You know,
I'm just having a good time. I

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00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:31.880
don't there's no riot from my perspective. And so I actually I actually talked

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00:43:31.880 --> 00:43:36.320
to the Capitol Police they like for
about ten minutes and like, oh,

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you guys got to go, And
so they actually directed us out. You

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00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:42.760
know, we followed them out of
the building. It was a totally different

589
00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:45.719
story than what you see on CNN. And so yeah, absolutely, most

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00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:49.119
people who were inside the building.
You can even see the footage of them

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00:43:49.159 --> 00:43:52.920
walking through velvet ropes like it's a
museum. It's like it's a poor So

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absolutely not Nancy Pelosi yelling and her
chief of staff that afternoon quote they thought

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00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:04.360
they had some resources. That's Nancy
Pelosi's chief of staff of Terry McCullough,

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referring to the Capitol Police. And
then she says, it's not a question

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of how they had. They don't
know. They clearly didn't know the problems,

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00:44:12.159 --> 00:44:15.519
and I take responsibility for not having
them to be prepared more. That's

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Nancy Pelosi out of her mouth.
So why didn't the January sixth committee put

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that out there? I'm gonna say
probably because it was a fake committee and

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00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:29.000
it was a partisan witch hunt more
than likely. I remember watching those when

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I was actually in the in the
gulag still and they were just absolutely fake.

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Most of the testimony you got from
say Capitol police officers completely fake.

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They lied about what the oathkeepers did, they lied about the initial breech,

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00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:44.880
they lied about everything, and the
video corroborates this. This isn't even in

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00:44:44.920 --> 00:44:49.840
my opinion. The unfortunate thing is
that it's just taken so many years for

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the truce to finally come out,
and they mean, that's really that's really

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it is, and you know nobody's
going to be held responsible for it.

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That's a real crime. No,
no, nothing U. So you're in

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the Capitol. It appears you're being
let in by the Capitol police. You

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walk into the Capitol, walk around
looking at stuff, and you leave.

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00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:13.760
How did the FBI finally find Tim
Hale and put you in the handcuffs?

611
00:45:15.800 --> 00:45:19.880
This is a convoluted story. But
I was living on the Navy base that

612
00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:23.480
I actually worked on, and my
roommate was turned into an informant by NCIS,

613
00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:27.719
so they had him wear a wire
to get me say incriminating stuff.

614
00:45:28.639 --> 00:45:32.519
I was partially set up by the
management at the job I was the contractor

615
00:45:32.679 --> 00:45:36.360
because that was also the union rep. So I didn't have a very good

616
00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:39.119
relationship with management, as you can
imagine how labor disputes go. So they

617
00:45:39.239 --> 00:45:42.960
ended up they knew they knew that
I was there, they just didn't know

618
00:45:43.039 --> 00:45:45.920
the details. So they ended up
giving a tip to NCIS. And so

619
00:45:46.119 --> 00:45:50.679
basically they were stalking me for about
a week until they finally grabbed me.

620
00:45:51.320 --> 00:45:54.800
And it's basically it. And they
threw the book at you. How many

621
00:45:54.880 --> 00:46:00.440
weeks or months passed from January sixth
until the handcuffs got on you? One

622
00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:05.440
week and then I spent I spent
a year in solitary confinement in Washington,

623
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:07.440
d C. After that, I
was in the DC Gulag for about two

624
00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:10.840
years, and then I was in
a federal prison at FCI for Dix and

625
00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:15.079
Jersey for about another year after that. So thank god, uh, thank

626
00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:17.679
god President Trump's signed the first step
factor I might have had to do a

627
00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:21.920
longer sentence only I only had to
do three years out of four. But

628
00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:24.679
you know, thank God for criminal
justice reform, or I would have done

629
00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:29.760
more time. How many are still
locked up in the solitary confinement of the

630
00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:34.639
Washington d C jails. How many
of other J six co defendants are still

631
00:46:34.679 --> 00:46:38.480
locked up? I think there's probably
less than thirty now, but there are

632
00:46:38.559 --> 00:46:43.840
still there. I'm gonna say there
are hundreds of people who are who are

633
00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:46.159
in jails and prisons throughout the country. So it's not just Washington d C.

634
00:46:46.639 --> 00:46:50.800
It's kind of like the Gulag Archipelago. You know, it's not you

635
00:46:50.880 --> 00:46:54.320
know, there's there are, It's
just like there there are many many facilities

636
00:46:54.360 --> 00:46:58.519
that the Feds have scattered throughout the
country, and J six defendants are being

637
00:46:58.599 --> 00:47:01.400
held there totally out of sight and
out of mind. And this is on

638
00:47:01.480 --> 00:47:05.199
top of the fact that there are
over fourteen hundred people who've been charged so

639
00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:07.480
far, and now they're bragging they're
going to probably get up to two thousand

640
00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:14.400
before the election. What were the
conditions in the in the Washington d C

641
00:47:14.599 --> 00:47:17.760
jail when you talk about the goolag
and solitary confinement described to the American people

642
00:47:17.880 --> 00:47:23.880
the conditions without embellishing, I'll say
this, the conditions probably did improve after

643
00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:28.840
the first year, but in the
first year you were in solitary confinement for

644
00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:31.760
twenty three hours a day, You
were only allowed out for a shower and

645
00:47:31.960 --> 00:47:37.480
maybe a fifteen minute phone call.
That wasn't always guaranteed because there were so

646
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:40.119
many people in there and only four
phones. You kind of had to you

647
00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:44.800
know, it was kind of a
gamble. You were not allowed to have

648
00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:47.639
visitation with family. You were rarely
allowed to see your own lawyer. They

649
00:47:47.719 --> 00:47:51.679
refute for some time. They refused
to give you your own discovery so you

650
00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:54.280
could actually work on your case,
your evidence. You were not allowed to

651
00:47:54.320 --> 00:48:00.440
have religious services. You were not
allowed to groom, so I went sixteen

652
00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:02.440
months before I could get a haircut. My hair was down to my back.

653
00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:08.599
They would not give us speedy trials, so again sixteen months. It

654
00:48:08.639 --> 00:48:12.159
took me a year and a half
for me to get trial or to go

655
00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:14.679
to trial. And you're supposed to
be able to do that thanks to the

656
00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:17.920
Speedy Trial Act, within seventy days. I had to wait sixteen months.

657
00:48:20.320 --> 00:48:22.440
And so keep in mind again we're
in solitary confinement for most of this,

658
00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:28.320
and even after they end a solitary
portion of it, you're still you're barely

659
00:48:28.360 --> 00:48:31.480
able to go outside. You can't
see sunlight, there's no nutritional food.

660
00:48:31.840 --> 00:48:35.960
You know, it's jail, so
I don't expect people to care too much

661
00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:37.880
about jail food. But there was
no meat. There was no fruit.

662
00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:43.800
It was just you know, broccoli
stems or it was soy paddies. People

663
00:48:43.840 --> 00:48:45.440
were developing health issues because of it. On that subject. It was no

664
00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:51.159
healthcare. There were no doctors there. Anytime I tried to get a furlough

665
00:48:51.280 --> 00:48:55.280
for an ear infection, I was
denied. And so, you know,

666
00:48:57.000 --> 00:48:59.880
it basically was like a third world
country. And most of the staff,

667
00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:02.000
I'm not saying this to be mean, most of the staff are foreigners,

668
00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:07.519
so they barely spoke English and they
didn't care. And that's you know,

669
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:10.679
the unfortunate thing is like, again, it's not a part of aan issue.

670
00:49:10.719 --> 00:49:13.880
This could happen to us, It
can happen to anybody, and so

671
00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:19.039
that whole system needs to be changed. It's just a disaster. Tim Hale,

672
00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:22.800
Did you have television? Did you
have books? Did you have exercise

673
00:49:22.880 --> 00:49:25.480
equipment? What did you have in
solitary confinement? Just a bet and that's

674
00:49:25.519 --> 00:49:31.320
it. In solitary you had a
one inch thick mattress with no pillow.

675
00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:37.639
It was like a foam mattress on
a metal frame. You were in basically

676
00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:43.280
a seven foot cube for lack of
a better term. You had a two

677
00:49:43.360 --> 00:49:46.119
inch window slit that was kind of
corroded, but you could sort of see

678
00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:50.000
out of the window. You couldn't
see much though, because it was just

679
00:49:50.079 --> 00:49:53.400
a graveyard behind you. So the
dcjail has a parking lot for the officers

680
00:49:53.440 --> 00:49:55.840
to park in and a graveyard,
so you could see graves, which is

681
00:49:57.000 --> 00:50:02.400
very encouraging. And that was pretty
much it. In terms of workout equipment,

682
00:50:02.599 --> 00:50:06.320
there was a gym we were never
really allowed to go in, and

683
00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:08.840
the like two or three times they
actually ended up bringing us over there for

684
00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:13.159
like an hour. All the equipment's
broken, the floor tiles are broken,

685
00:50:13.360 --> 00:50:19.639
everything's falling apart, and then there's
a TV, but it's always put on

686
00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:28.760
unsurprisingly liberal liberal news at MSNBC and
CNN. I imagine, yep, yep.

687
00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:32.599
Absolutely, you got to represent right
and then uh and then occasionally you

688
00:50:32.679 --> 00:50:37.199
could order you could have books sent
in, but because the mail room takes

689
00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:40.559
like two months to give you anything
that comes in, they like I was

690
00:50:40.599 --> 00:50:45.639
getting I was getting letters from Thanksgiving
in April, you know, like they

691
00:50:45.559 --> 00:50:50.440
so, I mean, you're lucky, good good luck if that happens Tim

692
00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:53.679
Hale will have to run. How
did the American people access you? What

693
00:50:54.239 --> 00:50:58.920
is your what is your ex account? Or Facebook? How can people contact

694
00:50:59.000 --> 00:51:02.159
you? You can find me on
x if you type in Tim Hale criminally

695
00:51:02.320 --> 00:51:07.840
funny Jay sixer and you know,
if you're interested in finding out more information

696
00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:10.639
about all the other families too,
you can go to Patriot Freedom Project dot

697
00:51:10.719 --> 00:51:15.599
com. It's a charity that my
family set up. It's endorsed by President

698
00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:20.280
Trump and basically it's just a fun
to help with a lot of the you

699
00:51:20.320 --> 00:51:23.039
know, financial burdens of the defendants
and their families because a lot of these

700
00:51:23.039 --> 00:51:28.360
guys were the bread winners, and
so you're I got I got lucky in

701
00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:30.599
that regard. I'm not married,
I don't have kids. A lot of

702
00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:32.599
these guys aren't so lucky, and
so it's really hard for these families to

703
00:51:32.639 --> 00:51:36.400
get by. We have to run. But you went there a suit and

704
00:51:36.440 --> 00:51:39.760
a tie and a brand pair of
shoes, ended up in stripes and served

705
00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:44.679
three or four years. It's not
what people and it's not what we think

706
00:51:44.840 --> 00:51:46.840
is United States of America. I
think you should have hung a Hummas flag

707
00:51:46.880 --> 00:51:51.639
around the shoulders of George Washington in
which case you would have been wined,

708
00:51:51.719 --> 00:51:53.880
dined, and pocket lined. But
Tim Hale, once again, thank you

709
00:51:54.000 --> 00:51:57.599
for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show, and thank you for telling us your

710
00:51:57.639 --> 00:52:00.239
story. Thank you for having me
on. I reallyppreciate it. God bless

711
00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:07.320
you, God Bless America. Bill
Cunningham, seven hundred LW you sailed beyond

712
00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:13.760
the horizon in search of an island
scrubbed from The only pitch I knew I

713
00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:16.840
throw was a fasketball I know,
a curveball, slider change. I don't

714
00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:21.360
know anything about that. My dad
says, rare vack and let her flies.

715
00:52:21.719 --> 00:52:23.800
And that's all I did. The
first pitch was high, if I

716
00:52:23.880 --> 00:52:28.320
remember Kresley was high and outside.
As I was going to thought right to

717
00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:37.360
the back of Crosley Fields. Oh
hello, Biet, I'm Skulls. I'm

718
00:52:37.400 --> 00:52:44.079
broadcasting, you know, saying we've
had all the best. Now we got

719
00:52:44.159 --> 00:52:47.360
the number one team in Ohio here
Division one Baseball champions, which is the

720
00:52:47.440 --> 00:52:51.559
Mason Commets. I talked to coach, you should change your name to the

721
00:52:51.639 --> 00:52:53.280
transmitter. Well, let's face it, Coach Bly is here and Coach I

722
00:52:53.360 --> 00:52:58.079
understand off the air that originally the
team is going to be the Towers.

723
00:52:58.159 --> 00:53:04.920
Is that correct? Legend has a
guest. We were without any years when

724
00:53:04.960 --> 00:53:08.199
our school started, and there was
a student vote because of the WLW Tower

725
00:53:08.320 --> 00:53:13.559
that they wanted to be the Towers, and that was discussed and the name

726
00:53:13.679 --> 00:53:16.119
comments came out of that conversation.
That's that's the lore. But you're our

727
00:53:16.199 --> 00:53:21.559
number one team because without you,
we couldn't broadcast the Mason without the Mason

728
00:53:21.679 --> 00:53:25.079
Comments. And I'm the designated survivor
if America is destroyed. I've been asked

729
00:53:25.119 --> 00:53:29.800
by the federal government to go underground, under the transmitter and broadcast. And

730
00:53:29.840 --> 00:53:34.559
that's just the information, last the
truth. I don't know who he's going

731
00:53:34.599 --> 00:53:37.639
to talk to will be dead.
But introduce your players one by one and

732
00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:40.920
talk about these kids. They did
something that's never been done before. In

733
00:53:42.039 --> 00:53:46.599
eighty eight years, they've never Mason's
won state titles and everything except baseball.

734
00:53:46.840 --> 00:53:50.960
I think you were there three times
and loss. This year, you went

735
00:53:51.039 --> 00:53:54.159
undefeated, untied, unscored on.
Now identify the players and what they did.

736
00:53:54.199 --> 00:53:59.920
If anything, well, most of
that's true. If I'm half true.

737
00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:02.400
At the time, I feel good. No, the guys we brought

738
00:54:02.440 --> 00:54:06.199
with us, obviously we have a
lot of guys that aren't with us today,

739
00:54:06.199 --> 00:54:07.800
they're truly outstanding. But the four
players that came with us. We

740
00:54:07.880 --> 00:54:12.840
have Mark Rutherford, He's our starting
catcher this year. That's the catcher I

741
00:54:12.880 --> 00:54:16.320
can take the title game, right. He did two hits. Anthony Sulik

742
00:54:16.360 --> 00:54:20.840
are starting shortstop. He's with us
as well. Had all three RBIs in

743
00:54:20.880 --> 00:54:22.519
the regional championship game. That was
a big game, by the way it

744
00:54:22.760 --> 00:54:25.679
was. It was. And Brad
Hard our starting center fielder. Is he

745
00:54:25.800 --> 00:54:30.199
quick? Is he fast? He
is? He is quicker than you expect.

746
00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:32.079
We'll just say that. Does he
run faster than Dela Cruz or Jamar

747
00:54:32.199 --> 00:54:36.119
Chase, which is fast? I
don't think can drive faster than Dayla Cruz

748
00:54:36.159 --> 00:54:37.719
can run, but he can he
can get a ball down. He can.

749
00:54:38.360 --> 00:54:40.159
Before we go to your star pitcher, let me ask you this.

750
00:54:40.639 --> 00:54:45.400
I've had the idea that Dela Cruz
needs to play for the Bengals. He

751
00:54:45.480 --> 00:54:50.199
could play wide receiver and catch balls
that Jamar Chase couldn't. Is it true

752
00:54:50.239 --> 00:54:54.119
that a baseball player is so good
athletically they could play any sport, including

753
00:54:54.159 --> 00:55:00.159
football, basketball, lacrosse, which
is cultural misappropriation those that's an Indians or

754
00:55:00.199 --> 00:55:02.920
you can't say that. Couldn't they
play any sport Hall of Famers. There

755
00:55:04.159 --> 00:55:08.039
are plenty of people that say baseball
players can play other sports much better than

756
00:55:08.320 --> 00:55:12.840
other other athletes can play baseball because
of the hand, eye coordination and the

757
00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:15.639
other things that's required. I mean, there's plenty of videos out there of

758
00:55:15.880 --> 00:55:19.079
NBA players trying to hit a baseball
in it they can't look good. But

759
00:55:19.400 --> 00:55:21.679
you talk about your star pitcher and
what he did, he was like the

760
00:55:21.800 --> 00:55:24.800
Jose Rio of your team. Yeah, Michael Blow, you know, one

761
00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:29.840
of one of our top arms.
Michael's then truly an outstanding in the tournament.

762
00:55:30.159 --> 00:55:32.880
Threw a no hitter against Mohler in
the regional final and then was our

763
00:55:32.920 --> 00:55:37.239
winning pitcher in the state championship.
How good is he? He's outstanding,

764
00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:40.679
outstanding And what makes him great?
I mean he's high spin fastball in the

765
00:55:40.760 --> 00:55:45.280
nineties, great slider. But his
mentality is competitiveness. He's a bulldog,

766
00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:50.079
he's a dirty, nasty he says
three words. I don't know why we

767
00:55:50.159 --> 00:55:52.920
brought him on. Your words,
you're not gonna You're not gonna get much

768
00:55:52.920 --> 00:55:57.800
out of him, but he's he's
get that'll change Marty Brennan and the Hall

769
00:55:57.800 --> 00:56:00.159
of Famers or Marty, this is
baseball row right saying about me. I

770
00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:05.079
just came out to congratulate him and
once again pre what a great baseball era

771
00:56:05.239 --> 00:56:09.039
this is at the high school level. Coach, congratulations, unbelievable and Marty

772
00:56:09.159 --> 00:56:13.880
eighty eight years they've been around,
and they it's the first time they've ever

773
00:56:13.920 --> 00:56:16.199
won. To stay title and think
about that, it's a sensation. I

774
00:56:16.280 --> 00:56:21.559
think it's wonderful. A full leg
hell for him. Absolutely. Now how

775
00:56:21.639 --> 00:56:24.840
many times let's talk about Joe Knuxhall
just briefly. We just had to cut

776
00:56:24.920 --> 00:56:30.239
a Joe on. I did some
research and I found this Indian named Chapman.

777
00:56:30.280 --> 00:56:34.280
They called him why Whoo Chapman in
eighteen eighty seven that pitched an inning

778
00:56:34.519 --> 00:56:37.440
for the Philadelphia Blies. You know
what I'm talking about. Yeah, I

779
00:56:37.519 --> 00:56:39.480
was around there, You were there. Yeah. Is Joe still the youngest

780
00:56:39.559 --> 00:56:44.559
guy ever to play in the major
leagues? Hiss fight wahoo? Yeah you

781
00:56:44.639 --> 00:56:45.639
think so, Chapman, I'll give
you the art. I don't count.

782
00:56:45.719 --> 00:56:51.239
That's a pre nineteen hundred treat to
nineteen hundred that didn't even count. It

783
00:56:51.280 --> 00:56:53.360
doesn't count. No, knucksall is
fifteen, no question, fifteen gets it

784
00:56:53.440 --> 00:56:55.719
done? Well? What if they
can that picture right there and put him

785
00:56:55.760 --> 00:57:00.280
on the mound right now against Cleveland. What do you think, As good

786
00:57:00.320 --> 00:57:01.800
as he's pitched, as confident as
he is, I take him a chance,

787
00:57:02.000 --> 00:57:06.360
Take him a chance, no question. Say give him some quick sports

788
00:57:06.400 --> 00:57:08.800
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789
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791
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792
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793
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794
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Battle of Ohio Tonight for the Ohio
Cup begins Tonight. Guardians and Reds in

795
00:57:37.199 --> 00:57:42.760
town, t app down along the
Big River. What time's the game?

796
00:57:42.840 --> 00:57:46.280
Segment six to ten Sports Talk,
Rnell Carriers, Inside Pitch, Kelsey Chevrolet

797
00:57:46.360 --> 00:57:53.079
Extrading Show After the Game, Now
Novell Noel V Marte Martine begins his rehab

798
00:57:53.119 --> 00:57:58.719
assignment. Willie tonight at Triple A
Louisville. Steroids. Suspended for eighty games

799
00:57:58.960 --> 00:58:04.639
due to ped use prior to the
season, he has returned. Bengals opened

800
00:58:04.679 --> 00:58:07.880
up their mandatory three day mini camp
today. Joe Burrows but just got done,

801
00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:12.079
Spike speaking to the masses. What
did he say? Rehabs going?

802
00:58:12.159 --> 00:58:15.239
Well, the risk is great.
He's learning to play the piano, eh,

803
00:58:16.239 --> 00:58:22.719
much like Mozart, Beethoven and Rock
Moninoff coach. Was there a game

804
00:58:22.760 --> 00:58:23.599
and there was a time. I
have a lot of good friends at Mauler

805
00:58:23.679 --> 00:58:29.400
High School, including Walt Sweeney,
his boy plays for More And they went

806
00:58:29.480 --> 00:58:31.519
into the game thinking the head in
the bag is that Mason's never won it.

807
00:58:31.840 --> 00:58:36.440
We've won the state title many times
and Mason doesn't know what it takes

808
00:58:36.519 --> 00:58:38.400
to beat Maler High School. Was
that the biggest game that you had this

809
00:58:38.519 --> 00:58:43.159
year to beat Maller? Well,
at that point it was, and I

810
00:58:43.239 --> 00:58:45.360
mean we we've actually had some success
against him over the last several years.

811
00:58:45.400 --> 00:58:49.519
It beat the crap out him on
a regular basis. We've won some regional

812
00:58:49.559 --> 00:58:52.880
championships against them. Do you go
harder against them? Do you pitch harder

813
00:58:52.880 --> 00:58:54.559
against Maller than you might pitch against
Deer Park, for example, did you

814
00:58:54.599 --> 00:58:59.599
play Deer Park this year? No, there's a little when we're playing moreers,

815
00:58:59.639 --> 00:59:04.800
a little behind every pitch. Why
you want to win? That's Montgomery

816
00:59:04.920 --> 00:59:07.159
Road. You want to win.
You want to win, and you did.

817
00:59:07.480 --> 00:59:12.039
He's got a perfect game, right, No hitter. Sorry, no

818
00:59:12.159 --> 00:59:15.039
hitter. It's pretty good too.
But you know, hit Mauler High School

819
00:59:15.039 --> 00:59:17.000
when it mattered. Will you ever
forget that? Now you're going to be

820
00:59:17.039 --> 00:59:22.079
a grandfather and you'll remember that game. And where's the ball? Where's the

821
00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:23.960
ball of the championship game? Where's
the ball? Right there? Segment?

822
00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:27.440
Don't lose that, but you're going
to show it. Everybody, put up

823
00:59:28.119 --> 00:59:30.639
everybody? What about the ball that
beat Molor High School? Where's that going?

824
00:59:31.400 --> 00:59:35.280
It's in the ball bag, It's
in the bag, It's in the

825
00:59:35.360 --> 00:59:37.360
bag. How does that look next
year? Coach for the team, you're

826
00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:40.440
our team, you're the transmitter.
How does it look? Well, obviously

827
00:59:40.480 --> 00:59:45.199
we're graduating seventeen seniors, so that's
that's a lot of a lot of problem.

828
00:59:45.519 --> 00:59:50.199
Uh. You know, we feel
real confident that the younger guys are

829
00:59:50.239 --> 00:59:52.920
going to be filling those spots,
and we've been fortunate to have a lot

830
00:59:53.000 --> 00:59:57.400
of talented guys come through. Many
of these guys were sophomores on our twenty

831
00:59:57.480 --> 01:00:00.760
two regional championship team. Got close, and it got and they went to

832
01:00:00.800 --> 01:00:02.440
the state and we didn't get it
done that year, but you know,

833
01:00:02.519 --> 01:00:07.039
they they were the guys that filled
in for that class that graduated. So

834
01:00:07.159 --> 01:00:09.199
we're you know, it's gonna take
some work to replace seventeen. That's a

835
01:00:09.239 --> 01:00:13.400
big number. You don't rebuild your
reload. Well, we hope to.

836
01:00:13.559 --> 01:00:15.960
We hope too. Segment, Please
continue with sports and b brief. Willy

837
01:00:16.239 --> 01:00:22.079
the US opened Thursday. T times
are out, Jim Herman. It's going

838
01:00:22.119 --> 01:00:24.599
to go at eight forty six am. How about this threesome at one fourteen

839
01:00:24.719 --> 01:00:30.719
pm. Write this down, McElroy, Schaffley, Scheffler. Pretty good?

840
01:00:30.920 --> 01:00:35.440
How about that? Not bad?
Tiger Woods will tee off at seven thirty

841
01:00:35.480 --> 01:00:38.679
tomorrow morning or went on Thursday morning. Wyndham Clark, the defending champ at

842
01:00:38.719 --> 01:00:45.239
won twenty five and USA Basketball says
experience was the major reason Caitlin Clark was

843
01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:50.159
not on the US women's Olympic roster. That's a bunch of bs, right,

844
01:00:50.239 --> 01:00:52.400
thank you very much. Just put
her on there. I bet you

845
01:00:52.559 --> 01:00:57.519
NBC's going nuts well because she would
bring ratings to it, like look,

846
01:00:57.599 --> 01:01:00.880
look she's done to the WNBA,
and all they do is complain about her.

847
01:01:02.039 --> 01:01:06.079
They got free jets right now,
they got more money, got arenas

848
01:01:06.119 --> 01:01:08.440
filled up, and they don't want
her exactly. Unbelievable. It's all her

849
01:01:08.559 --> 01:01:13.119
fault. Tell me that it was
there a critical moment this year when your

850
01:01:13.239 --> 01:01:17.320
backs are up against the wall,
all the errors are being made, RBIs

851
01:01:17.360 --> 01:01:21.119
were not being hit up against the
Why you that, my God, is

852
01:01:21.199 --> 01:01:22.719
not going to happen. This is
the team that's built up for eighty eight

853
01:01:22.800 --> 01:01:28.239
years. Generations onborn will look back
upon twenty twenty four and say, you

854
01:01:28.360 --> 01:01:30.920
may go on to win fifty more
state titles, but twenty twenty four was

855
01:01:30.960 --> 01:01:34.840
the first. Was there a game
that you thought, okay, at all

856
01:01:34.920 --> 01:01:37.679
is going to collapse and no ball
is self pity. No, I don't

857
01:01:37.840 --> 01:01:40.639
say that. No. There was
a game though, that you know we

858
01:01:40.719 --> 01:01:45.920
played up at Defiance High School against
Grove City where gro CEA is a great

859
01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:49.880
team, a great program. Actually
we lost to them in the state semi

860
01:01:49.960 --> 01:01:52.840
in twenty two, and we kind
of let that one slip away. And

861
01:01:52.280 --> 01:01:55.639
we kind of had a team meeting
and I know the boys talked without the

862
01:01:55.719 --> 01:02:00.599
coaches and about you know, we
needed to kind of clear some things up

863
01:02:00.639 --> 01:02:01.719
if we were going to be able
to do what we think we were capable

864
01:02:01.760 --> 01:02:06.000
of. And from that point forward, they they got it done. How's

865
01:02:06.000 --> 01:02:09.760
the amazing community embraced you, if
at all? Because Scott Sloan here has

866
01:02:09.840 --> 01:02:14.679
said he will buy rings for all
forty times, I mean it's forty or

867
01:02:14.679 --> 01:02:17.719
fift we got it on tape.
Are the rings coming through Scott Sloan or

868
01:02:17.760 --> 01:02:22.039
through the Board of Education? Well, we've we've heard the rumor of what

869
01:02:22.199 --> 01:02:23.199
you said on the radio, so
when you say it on the radio,

870
01:02:23.280 --> 01:02:28.360
we believe it. So but in
terms of the rings, that that's in

871
01:02:28.440 --> 01:02:30.400
the early stages. Early stages,
early stage. You want to have the

872
01:02:30.559 --> 01:02:35.079
negotiations go yeah, go for the
high number. Things like that, I'm

873
01:02:35.079 --> 01:02:38.400
gonna talk to the let me talk
to the catcher. And the championship game,

874
01:02:38.440 --> 01:02:40.400
I think he won that like eight
to one? Is that correct?

875
01:02:42.599 --> 01:02:45.639
Eight to one? He your star
pitcher wasn't on the mound, right,

876
01:02:45.199 --> 01:02:50.239
And the championship game you did that
and you also did the Moller game right,

877
01:02:51.199 --> 01:02:52.519
uh. One. And when you
give him the one? What was

878
01:02:52.559 --> 01:02:57.519
that? Was that the express?
Or was that Uncle Charlie? Yeah?

879
01:02:57.559 --> 01:03:00.800
The express? Mean don't as far
as you can? Right? That puts

880
01:03:00.840 --> 01:03:04.320
it in more more more, luckily
is what I want it over ninety?

881
01:03:06.400 --> 01:03:08.440
How about the about? How about
Lord Charles? Was it Uncle Charlie or

882
01:03:08.519 --> 01:03:12.280
was it Lord Charles? What was
his spin rate? I want to know

883
01:03:12.400 --> 01:03:15.880
right now? What was his spin
rate? I have no idea in my

884
01:03:15.000 --> 01:03:20.159
brain. It put down the two, put down the two? What's three?

885
01:03:20.280 --> 01:03:22.119
What about three? You having three? It's a one, two and

886
01:03:22.199 --> 01:03:25.440
four basketball slider change with? What
about the slip pitch? Have you thought

887
01:03:25.440 --> 01:03:28.760
about the screwball? Have you thought
about the split singer? Pitch? Went

888
01:03:28.800 --> 01:03:31.800
out when you were playing? No
slip pitch? I don't think you have

889
01:03:31.960 --> 01:03:36.719
one. How about knuckles? No, No, you don't need it.

890
01:03:37.239 --> 01:03:40.199
Where are you going to college?
If anywhere? What do you What do

891
01:03:40.239 --> 01:03:43.559
you want to be when you grow
up? If anything? Hopeful be a

892
01:03:43.599 --> 01:03:45.960
ballplayer? Hopefully a baseball player.
And the Reds have been in touch with

893
01:03:46.039 --> 01:03:49.159
you, Karen Kraft and the people
down there with the Reds. Is that

894
01:03:49.280 --> 01:03:52.639
right correct? Let's talk to the
center field or he ran like Eric Eric

895
01:03:52.719 --> 01:03:54.840
Davis in his prime. What was
the best catch you made a Mason High

896
01:03:54.840 --> 01:03:58.280
School in your career? Get up
to the mike here, I've made a

897
01:03:58.320 --> 01:04:00.920
couple of good catches. Give me
one up against the wall. You're juggling

898
01:04:00.960 --> 01:04:03.639
the ball and you bite it.
What happened? There was a memorable one

899
01:04:03.840 --> 01:04:06.840
we played Mola at Prasco. I
think Carter Christian sid hit won. It

900
01:04:06.880 --> 01:04:10.840
was pretty well hit, still still
still rising, still going. It was

901
01:04:10.880 --> 01:04:13.480
a very memorable cash for me.
Over my head. I had to turn

902
01:04:13.519 --> 01:04:15.519
around and I caught like Willie Mays
in nineteen fifty four, remember that in

903
01:04:15.559 --> 01:04:18.440
the polo grounds. Not quite as
good, but it was close. Let's

904
01:04:18.440 --> 01:04:21.159
talk to the shortstop, the Barry
Lark end of the team. Was there

905
01:04:21.199 --> 01:04:25.400
a play this year? The double
play, triple play, quadruple play.

906
01:04:25.639 --> 01:04:27.880
That was the key and it all
began with you. Oh for me,

907
01:04:28.000 --> 01:04:30.119
it was in the district championship.
Our pitcher j Hanley, he had a

908
01:04:30.280 --> 01:04:34.039
no hitter going in the seventh and
their ball hit sharply in the hole,

909
01:04:34.039 --> 01:04:39.639
I mean popped up first, just
like Dela Cruz would have done. Oh

910
01:04:39.719 --> 01:04:43.480
yeah, is that correct? Let
me ask some questions what's the square root

911
01:04:43.519 --> 01:04:47.400
of thirty six? Who is the
governor of Ohio? The line? What's

912
01:04:47.440 --> 01:04:54.480
the capital of the state of Michigan
Lansing? Damn? How about how about

913
01:04:54.519 --> 01:05:00.000
the capital of Kentucky Frankfurt. He's
going to be a What are you going

914
01:05:00.039 --> 01:05:02.760
to be when you grow up?
Hopefully a doctor or something like that in

915
01:05:03.199 --> 01:05:08.480
sports, Well kind of doctor like
a Tim kremcheck on the side. And

916
01:05:08.599 --> 01:05:13.400
right now, what bonus connected to
humorous? Humorous? Your owner? And

917
01:05:14.199 --> 01:05:19.880
how about the femur you have your
tivio, your fortella? Damn? Excuse

918
01:05:20.119 --> 01:05:24.440
me, thank you? Yeah,
excuse how about that? All right?

919
01:05:24.559 --> 01:05:26.920
That's not bad? All right?
What's the capital at the center. You're

920
01:05:26.960 --> 01:05:30.800
going to be a finance man?
Right, he's he's going to go down

921
01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:33.679
He's going to be downstairs working at
ubs. Well, please buy media,

922
01:05:33.800 --> 01:05:38.960
make us a better company. We
use up up the number a little bit.

923
01:05:39.199 --> 01:05:42.920
You may do lots of things in
your lives. Hopefully you'll become husbands

924
01:05:42.960 --> 01:05:45.159
and fathers, then you become grandfathers. Then you move on with the life.

925
01:05:45.199 --> 01:05:49.239
But you had an opportunity a couple
week or so ago to do something

926
01:05:49.320 --> 01:05:53.880
that's never been done. Think of
the thousands and thousands of boys that have

927
01:05:53.960 --> 01:05:57.039
come through Mason High schools in nineteen
eighty eight, and they're all most of

928
01:05:57.039 --> 01:05:59.719
them are good kids and good team. But you had the chance to grab

929
01:05:59.760 --> 01:06:02.519
the ring and do something that never
been done before. You did it.

930
01:06:03.039 --> 01:06:08.639
Let that accomplishment be a springboard and
a platform to other greatness in your life.

931
01:06:08.840 --> 01:06:12.480
Become a doctor, become a finance
major, go teach high school and

932
01:06:12.559 --> 01:06:15.400
become an athletic director, go to
the major leagues. But you'll do all

933
01:06:15.440 --> 01:06:17.960
those things in your life, but
you will never again have the first chance

934
01:06:18.039 --> 01:06:21.760
to win the state title. And
you Ford did it. Congratulations on life

935
01:06:21.800 --> 01:06:27.280
so far well led coach bly did
you give him a great speech before the

936
01:06:27.400 --> 01:06:30.559
last game? What was it?
Win one for the will he come out

937
01:06:30.599 --> 01:06:33.000
and talk? We we just talked
about being ourselves and you know when you

938
01:06:33.119 --> 01:06:36.920
when you get on a big stage
like that, sometimes it's rarefied air and

939
01:06:38.000 --> 01:06:42.239
it can be hard to breathe.
And we talked about understanding that the stage

940
01:06:42.360 --> 01:06:45.519
is big, but what what's required
to win isn't elevated. It's the same

941
01:06:45.559 --> 01:06:48.079
as it always is. And they
went out there and played a clean game.

942
01:06:48.360 --> 01:06:53.400
We didn't make an air in the
entire postseason. Say that no error,

943
01:06:53.719 --> 01:06:56.960
not an era in the entire postseason. And the guys that was that

944
01:06:57.079 --> 01:07:01.519
was the strength of our team.
And now pitching in our defense let us

945
01:07:01.559 --> 01:07:05.039
to the end. And they were
themselves in that last game and they got

946
01:07:05.079 --> 01:07:10.159
it done. The catcher, what
is the distance from home plate directly to

947
01:07:10.280 --> 01:07:15.599
second base in a straight line?
One hundred and twenty seven feet three and

948
01:07:15.679 --> 01:07:19.159
three inches. Everyone knows that to
so you don't know how far it was.

949
01:07:19.239 --> 01:07:23.280
But you threw people out all the
time. Uh, no time about

950
01:07:23.280 --> 01:07:27.079
try bess all the time. Congratulate. You'll never have the opportunity to do

951
01:07:27.159 --> 01:07:30.880
what you did rarely in life.
You get this opportunity and you force succeeded

952
01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:36.559
magnificently. You're the hometown team of
seven hundred WLW segment coach, congratulations,

953
01:07:36.559 --> 01:07:40.079
Thank you, segment, get me
out of the student's report, Willie,

954
01:07:40.119 --> 01:07:44.519
and honor of the Mason Comets,
the state champions and Division one Baseball for

955
01:07:44.679 --> 01:07:49.559
twenty twenty four. We leave you
with the immortal words of the Stood report.

956
01:07:50.519 --> 01:07:56.880
We're out of Detroit. Thank you, thank you for Mason. Congratulations.

957
01:07:56.960 --> 01:08:00.400
Coming up next as analysis of the
Hunter Biden convictions by the way,

958
01:08:00.679 --> 01:08:03.199
don't buy guns illegally, don't use
drugs, and don't cheating your taxes.

959
01:08:03.280 --> 01:08:15.720
You promise God bless America. Let's
continue. Bill Cunningham seven hundred wlb A

960
01:08:15.800 --> 01:08:23.840
thousand oughts. I make you,
I'll break a thousand all Baby, be

961
01:08:24.039 --> 01:08:32.680
by too. I want to be
aby. I'm in a half that I'm

962
01:08:32.800 --> 01:08:40.199
bad at the bone, bad of
the bone, bad of the bowl by

963
01:08:40.239 --> 01:08:43.680
cunning In. The Great American Reds
Baseball kicks off about six ten to night

964
01:08:43.800 --> 01:08:49.439
with Lance McAllister and more Cleveland in
town for two off on Thursday in Milwaukee,

965
01:08:49.600 --> 01:08:54.479
Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Next
five games should say a lot about

966
01:08:54.479 --> 01:08:57.159
the direction of the club. They
went one to nine, then they go

967
01:08:57.279 --> 01:09:00.800
fourteen and three. So which club
is it? I'm not sure we'll find

968
01:09:00.840 --> 01:09:04.920
out. But there's so many legal
cases percolating right now, including Caitlyn Markham

969
01:09:04.960 --> 01:09:10.319
and John Carter, and I have
great empathy for Dave Markham, the father

970
01:09:10.880 --> 01:09:13.960
of Caitlin, having gone through a
living hell the past thirteen years, I'm

971
01:09:13.960 --> 01:09:17.439
not sure justice was done. Plus
we have the convictions of Hunter Biden many

972
01:09:17.520 --> 01:09:21.439
break that it would not happen in
the home of Joe Biden, Wilmington,

973
01:09:21.560 --> 01:09:25.199
Delaware. But it did. Joining
you and I out to break it all

974
01:09:25.279 --> 01:09:29.479
down is the great criminal offense.
Attorney James Bogan and James welcome again to

975
01:09:29.520 --> 01:09:32.520
the Bill Cunningham Show. First of
all, neither one of us have met

976
01:09:33.720 --> 01:09:38.800
any behind the scenes reporting on State
of Ohio versus John Carter. He's the

977
01:09:38.920 --> 01:09:45.239
fiance who now is convicted of killing
Caitlyn Markham. Seemingly they could not prove

978
01:09:45.960 --> 01:09:50.920
murder and so since obviously he murdered
her, but the state took an involuntary

979
01:09:51.000 --> 01:09:57.439
manslaughter. What's behind the scenes you
think behind that case? Well, I'll

980
01:09:57.520 --> 01:10:02.520
say this, John Carter has excellent
lawyers, Chris Pagan, Lawrence Hawkins and

981
01:10:02.640 --> 01:10:09.439
Jacob Long. Those three guys are
excellent lawyers and they definitely do their jobs,

982
01:10:09.840 --> 01:10:14.039
and in this case they did.
And I saw what the Butler County

983
01:10:14.159 --> 01:10:17.560
prosecutors said about it, where he
thought there would be difficulties with proof,

984
01:10:17.840 --> 01:10:23.000
And obviously I haven't looked at any
of the discovery in the case, but

985
01:10:23.359 --> 01:10:26.920
I have no reason not to take
him at his word. So according to

986
01:10:27.399 --> 01:10:30.399
mose Or the prosecutor, they do
not have fingerprints, do not have DNA.

987
01:10:30.800 --> 01:10:33.960
Of course, they had no eyewitnesses, strictly a circumstantial case with him

988
01:10:34.000 --> 01:10:39.239
making nine to one one calls that
did not appear to be appropriate. And

989
01:10:39.319 --> 01:10:42.960
when the officers involved in this who
got involved later in the case, Detective

990
01:10:43.439 --> 01:10:47.520
Joe Kneelinger and Sergeant Rob at Whitlock, working with Richard K. Jones,

991
01:10:47.560 --> 01:10:51.439
who I think is going to be
with us tomorrow, they kind of determined,

992
01:10:51.920 --> 01:10:56.279
although it wasn't completely fair because they
think it was a murder and they

993
01:10:56.399 --> 01:10:59.920
think the case is still open,
but this is the best thing could get

994
01:11:00.079 --> 01:11:03.640
based upon what they had. And
I would imagine that Carter is thinking,

995
01:11:03.720 --> 01:11:08.159
and the lawyers, there's three lawyers
are great barristers, were thinking, well,

996
01:11:08.199 --> 01:11:11.479
we're going to go to try a
case before a Butler County jury,

997
01:11:12.199 --> 01:11:15.319
and that's a that's a tough road
to hoe right there, because they find

998
01:11:15.359 --> 01:11:18.800
almost everybody guilty. And if he
was found guilty of murder and it was

999
01:11:18.840 --> 01:11:21.760
sustained on appeal, he'd be looking
at maybe the rest of his life in

1000
01:11:21.840 --> 01:11:25.880
jail. So they took the three
years. If you were in their shoes

1001
01:11:26.359 --> 01:11:30.760
and you're in an ify murder case
and you went to the prosecution, maybe

1002
01:11:30.840 --> 01:11:34.720
Melissa Powerson said we'll take an involuntary
Is that normally done or normally not done?

1003
01:11:36.239 --> 01:11:41.479
That's not very common. I'm sure
the prosecutors had a good reason.

1004
01:11:41.960 --> 01:11:44.439
I mean, the one thing I
will say, you know Chris Peeg and

1005
01:11:44.479 --> 01:11:48.439
the one thing I think think with
him is laser precision. And then Laurence

1006
01:11:48.479 --> 01:11:51.399
Hawkins actually went to law school with
them. Among other things. That guy's

1007
01:11:51.439 --> 01:11:56.880
a black belt, so you could
probably guess what kind of constitution that guy

1008
01:11:57.039 --> 01:12:00.159
has. He's nicest guy in the
world too, very good trial lawyer.

1009
01:12:00.199 --> 01:12:04.359
And Jacob Long he does a very
good job too. You got those three

1010
01:12:04.439 --> 01:12:12.319
guys working together, hitting all the
details. I mean, I'll be honest,

1011
01:12:12.439 --> 01:12:15.960
this result doesn't surprise That kind of
work from them doesn't surprise me.

1012
01:12:16.600 --> 01:12:19.199
Well, he's going to be sentenced, I would think to the max.

1013
01:12:19.399 --> 01:12:24.079
Would you agree in about three weeks. I can't imagine the judge giving him

1014
01:12:24.079 --> 01:12:27.760
a break. He's going to get
all three years. I would be surprised.

1015
01:12:27.880 --> 01:12:30.720
Yet, usually on a homicide,
on a murder case, when it's

1016
01:12:30.760 --> 01:12:35.840
reduced to a manslaughter typically I've seen
judges give them the maximum in the manslaughter

1017
01:12:35.960 --> 01:12:39.760
charge. That's been my experience.
So when will he be out of jail

1018
01:12:40.000 --> 01:12:43.720
in Ohio if he keeps his nose
clean in prison, maybe two two and

1019
01:12:43.760 --> 01:12:48.720
a half years. I think three, you know, just depends. You

1020
01:12:48.760 --> 01:12:51.640
get up to five days a month
good time credit, but those are not

1021
01:12:51.760 --> 01:12:57.359
guaranteed. Five days and months would
be sixty days a year after two years

1022
01:12:57.439 --> 01:13:00.039
be one hundred and twenty, which
is what three months. Well, I'm

1023
01:13:00.079 --> 01:13:04.119
not sure justice was done, and
according to the police working with Sheriff Fricherick

1024
01:13:04.199 --> 01:13:08.880
K. Jones, the case is
still open in a sense, but as

1025
01:13:08.960 --> 01:13:14.720
far as desecration of a corpse or
assisting and the only statute of limitations that

1026
01:13:14.800 --> 01:13:18.199
would remain would be murder assisting in
the commission of a murder. That's still

1027
01:13:18.239 --> 01:13:24.960
out there. But both of them
believe that Caitlin's body was assisted with someone

1028
01:13:25.039 --> 01:13:28.840
to get her remains out to Indiana. But I will see what happened.

1029
01:13:28.880 --> 01:13:32.319
Let's move on to Hunter Biden.
He faced three counts, convicted and all

1030
01:13:32.920 --> 01:13:36.960
just politically. Were you a little
surprised that at Wilmington, Delaware jury convicted

1031
01:13:38.039 --> 01:13:43.840
him. Yeah, I mean,
on one hand, I'm not surprised because

1032
01:13:43.880 --> 01:13:46.600
the evidence. On the other hand, though, I was definitely concerned like

1033
01:13:46.720 --> 01:13:53.399
you about the possibilities from home cooking, and it didn't happen. The jurors

1034
01:13:53.439 --> 01:13:55.600
are going to speak tonight or later
on, they're going to speak. But

1035
01:13:56.039 --> 01:13:59.600
wasn't this the most open and shut
case you've heard in a long time on

1036
01:13:59.680 --> 01:14:01.640
a fee, on a federal criminal
case. It was on. You had

1037
01:14:01.680 --> 01:14:06.199
to defend that Hunter Biden his own
words, talking about what he was doing

1038
01:14:06.239 --> 01:14:10.560
at the same time he was lying
on the form. This wasn't some witness.

1039
01:14:10.920 --> 01:14:14.680
Hunter Biden himself convicted. Hunter Biden. That's tough to get around.

1040
01:14:15.760 --> 01:14:18.760
That was his version of OJ Simpson, if I did it. And you

1041
01:14:18.800 --> 01:14:24.039
know the thing that stick out to
me about the evidence Hallie Biden, who

1042
01:14:24.399 --> 01:14:28.760
is his late brother's widow who he
had relationship with. She's the one who

1043
01:14:28.840 --> 01:14:32.079
found the gun in his truck in
twenty eighteen, along with drug residue and

1044
01:14:32.159 --> 01:14:36.520
drug paraphernalia. That doesn't exactly help
him. And then there was an infamous

1045
01:14:36.640 --> 01:14:42.279
laptop, the one that his dad, Joe Biden said in twenty twenty was

1046
01:14:42.359 --> 01:14:47.239
a Russian hopes that you had messages
on his iCloud account that were on the

1047
01:14:47.359 --> 01:14:54.000
laptop. You had one message that
said Hunter Biden said he was meeting a

1048
01:14:54.079 --> 01:14:58.840
dealer named Mooki near the minor League
ballpark in Wilmington, Delaware, and that

1049
01:14:58.960 --> 01:15:02.359
he was smoking crab in a car
at a street corner in downtown Wilmington the

1050
01:15:02.439 --> 01:15:10.439
day after the gun purchase and on
October eleven, twenty eighteen. The purchase

1051
01:15:10.640 --> 01:15:15.279
was on October twelfth, twenty eighteen, he was spending quite a bit of

1052
01:15:15.399 --> 01:15:20.279
time text messaging this guy named Q
to meet up at seven eleven, and

1053
01:15:20.600 --> 01:15:26.960
Q was later identified as a dealer
named Eladio Otero Junior, who last June

1054
01:15:27.039 --> 01:15:32.720
pled guilty to using a communication device
to facilitate a drug deal and got fifteen

1055
01:15:32.800 --> 01:15:39.359
months. And there was regular communication
on by Hunter Biden and his messages to

1056
01:15:39.399 --> 01:15:42.800
meet at at seven to eleven.
And when you're texting to meet at seven

1057
01:15:42.800 --> 01:15:46.279
to eleven regularly, you're not texting
to get slurpies. Well you got Q,

1058
01:15:46.520 --> 01:15:49.880
you got Mookie. Seemingly he's trying
to get drugs the day before,

1059
01:15:50.600 --> 01:15:55.600
he's trying to get drugs today.
After Hallie Biden, I can't imagine a

1060
01:15:55.680 --> 01:15:59.399
more screwed up family than the Biden
family. I mean bo Biden, of

1061
01:15:59.479 --> 01:16:01.640
course, was the Attorney General of
the state of the state of Delaware,

1062
01:16:02.239 --> 01:16:11.279
and when he died, Hunter Biden
took up with Hallie Biden, his brother's

1063
01:16:11.960 --> 01:16:16.600
widow, which is unbelievable. And
then secondly he hooked her on crack cocaine.

1064
01:16:17.239 --> 01:16:23.640
Would you say that's not a sympathetic
defendant. That is, you don't

1065
01:16:23.680 --> 01:16:28.039
get much more messed up like that. And then one other thing too.

1066
01:16:28.079 --> 01:16:31.520
One of the defenses I got a
kick out of was one of the defenses

1067
01:16:31.720 --> 01:16:35.960
was that Hunter Biden did not identify
as a drug addict at the time.

1068
01:16:39.000 --> 01:16:42.039
They didn't buy that, did that? Oh hey, I loved to identify

1069
01:16:42.079 --> 01:16:45.039
as a millionaire. I like to
identify as a left handed golfer, but

1070
01:16:45.359 --> 01:16:49.279
I'm not sure that's ever gonna happen. Some clubs have exclusions for men or

1071
01:16:49.359 --> 01:16:53.640
women to play, and if if
at a club you can't play if you're

1072
01:16:53.680 --> 01:16:57.880
a man, I could identify as
a woman to start playing golfer. I

1073
01:16:57.960 --> 01:17:01.439
don't think that works. So let's
talk about sentencing. According to media accounts,

1074
01:17:01.479 --> 01:17:05.680
he's facing up to twenty five years
in prison on the three violations,

1075
01:17:05.760 --> 01:17:11.239
but it involved only one fact pattern
and according to the guidelines. According to

1076
01:17:11.319 --> 01:17:15.960
this article, I'm reading that the
guidelines appear to be between fifteen and twenty

1077
01:17:16.000 --> 01:17:19.359
one months, but it could deviate
up or down. So if this judge

1078
01:17:19.960 --> 01:17:24.399
was a no nonsense judge who wouldn't
accept the plea in the beginning, I

1079
01:17:24.479 --> 01:17:28.920
mean, the Department of Justice under
Joe Biden wanted him to plead guilty to

1080
01:17:29.199 --> 01:17:32.760
misdemeanors and then dismiss the tax cases
completely. But she said, nah,

1081
01:17:32.840 --> 01:17:36.159
bab and nah, you're not going
to do that. What would it take

1082
01:17:36.239 --> 01:17:42.359
for a federal judge to significantly deviate
from the guidelines, which which are fifteen

1083
01:17:42.399 --> 01:17:46.800
to twenty one months, Well,
she's gonna One of the things that doesn't

1084
01:17:46.880 --> 01:17:51.079
help Hunter Biden is the fact that
he doesn't get that downward departure for acceptance

1085
01:17:51.119 --> 01:17:58.840
of responsibility. And you know she
I mean, I hear. I really

1086
01:17:59.039 --> 01:18:01.399
tend to think in my bit of
a stretch to try to go beyond the

1087
01:18:01.520 --> 01:18:05.800
range that you talked about. Everything
I've read has been in that similar range

1088
01:18:05.880 --> 01:18:11.359
too. One of the odds at
getting probation completely after a lengthy jury trial,

1089
01:18:12.920 --> 01:18:15.600
I don't think so. I think
he could have had a shot of

1090
01:18:15.720 --> 01:18:19.359
probation if he had pled I mean, I'm not actually don't understand why he

1091
01:18:19.399 --> 01:18:24.840
didn't plead give him the facts here, but you know that's between him and

1092
01:18:24.920 --> 01:18:29.119
his lawyers. They wanted jury nullification. They wanted a jury in Wilmington,

1093
01:18:29.199 --> 01:18:32.239
Delaware to say it's a Biden,
don't hold him to account for his crimes,

1094
01:18:32.680 --> 01:18:38.840
and that didn't play. Now,
lastly, yesterday President, former President

1095
01:18:38.880 --> 01:18:44.079
Donald Trump had a pre sentenced investigation
meeting with the probation officer. Can you

1096
01:18:44.159 --> 01:18:47.439
explain to the American people what that
normally entails and what it entailed with Trump?

1097
01:18:49.119 --> 01:18:53.359
Basically, it's just a whole bunch
of interview questions. They ask you

1098
01:18:53.439 --> 01:18:57.479
everything under his son, like are
using drugs or in addictions. They ask

1099
01:18:57.560 --> 01:19:00.960
a lot of background type questions.
They will ask about your account of the

1100
01:19:00.039 --> 01:19:04.640
offense. And but you know,
the thing that gets me about that stands

1101
01:19:04.680 --> 01:19:08.159
out to me about this, that
I tend to think will be true,

1102
01:19:08.279 --> 01:19:13.600
is he's a first time offender convict. Even though it's thirty four counts,

1103
01:19:13.680 --> 01:19:16.159
it's all thirty four counts for one
single act, So I believe those counts

1104
01:19:16.199 --> 01:19:20.640
would have to merge, and it's
for the lowest level sell only possible that

1105
01:19:20.720 --> 01:19:26.199
would carry a presumption of probation.
So I think it would be a stretch

1106
01:19:26.279 --> 01:19:30.439
for him to get prison, and
I could. I mean, the thing

1107
01:19:30.479 --> 01:19:35.159
I'd be afraid of is some kind
of house arrest which would be considered part

1108
01:19:35.199 --> 01:19:42.520
of probation, with restrictions on travel
and so on. But I really don't

1109
01:19:43.359 --> 01:19:45.880
it would be a stretch for the
judge to try to send him to prison.

1110
01:19:45.960 --> 01:19:48.640
I think, I mean, I
with that as far from a legal

1111
01:19:48.720 --> 01:19:54.159
perspective, Yeah, he turned seventy
eight July the first, So you're going

1112
01:19:54.199 --> 01:19:57.880
to have a seventy eight year old
person in front of you, seventy eight

1113
01:19:57.960 --> 01:20:02.119
years, no previous criminal record.
He's basically built the skyline of New York

1114
01:20:02.199 --> 01:20:08.039
City. He's given away hundreds of
millions of dollars in charity. And of

1115
01:20:08.159 --> 01:20:12.279
the thirty four convictions, they all
stem from one Act, so they all

1116
01:20:12.439 --> 01:20:16.600
merge into one and the guidelines call
for probation. Now the key might be

1117
01:20:16.960 --> 01:20:23.039
home incarceration. Can she legally required
Donald Trump for the next day six months

1118
01:20:23.600 --> 01:20:29.800
to be home incarcerated in Trump Tower? He could do that, and Trump

1119
01:20:29.880 --> 01:20:34.159
could also file with the Court of
Appeals for a stay on that pending the

1120
01:20:34.279 --> 01:20:40.600
appeal. And I mean, you
know, the thing is, if you're

1121
01:20:40.680 --> 01:20:44.560
the Democrats, in light of everything
that's going on right now, you want

1122
01:20:44.600 --> 01:20:48.279
to be careful about possibly rallying the
other side, which they've already on courked

1123
01:20:48.359 --> 01:20:54.840
that with Look how much Trump has
raised for his campaign since that guilty verdict.

1124
01:20:55.560 --> 01:21:00.760
What happens if Judge Marshawn puts him
in prison? What if he says,

1125
01:21:00.560 --> 01:21:05.880
serve six months in jail at Rikers
or maybe a US military base based

1126
01:21:05.960 --> 01:21:11.359
upon Secret Service guidelines? Can he
legally put him in prison for six months?

1127
01:21:12.840 --> 01:21:15.760
He could find nothing can stop the
judge from interpreting the law on some

1128
01:21:15.880 --> 01:21:19.119
way to send some of the prison. But that would give Trump a better

1129
01:21:19.239 --> 01:21:26.079
argument for a stay. And at
that point that being locked up creates federal

1130
01:21:26.159 --> 01:21:30.439
habeas corpus options, which would be
the route to get eventually get to the

1131
01:21:30.479 --> 01:21:34.760
Supreme Court. Explain that because let's
say, normally I have to exhaust all

1132
01:21:34.800 --> 01:21:40.079
your state remedies. But let's say
where Shawn imposes six months in jail,

1133
01:21:40.960 --> 01:21:44.479
he can then jump to federal court
district court. I would think to begin

1134
01:21:44.600 --> 01:21:48.720
with on a habeas petition and work
its way up quickly the US Supreme Court.

1135
01:21:49.039 --> 01:21:54.319
Is that what you're saying, theoretically
that could happen. I mean,

1136
01:21:54.399 --> 01:22:00.720
this is obviously such an unprecedented case
where that's just one of the possibilities I've

1137
01:22:00.760 --> 01:22:06.239
seen thrown out there by a lawyer
I trust. But at the same time,

1138
01:22:08.239 --> 01:22:13.760
I yeah, I just don't see. I mean, I'm just hesitant

1139
01:22:13.800 --> 01:22:18.399
to think that Judge Murshawn would deviate
that much from New York's own sentencing guidelining.

1140
01:22:18.520 --> 01:22:25.720
This is you know, New York's
guidelines geared it non incarceration of low

1141
01:22:25.840 --> 01:22:30.000
level offenders. That's where you know, what's good for the goose is good

1142
01:22:30.039 --> 01:22:33.720
for the gander. If his name
was Donald Smith or Donald Duck, he

1143
01:22:33.760 --> 01:22:38.439
wouldn't have been tried, and secondly, it wouldn't have been sentenced if his

1144
01:22:38.520 --> 01:22:42.199
name is Donald Trump. Politics plays
a big part. We'll see what occurs.

1145
01:22:42.239 --> 01:22:44.840
But James Boken, good luck to
you, and good luck and you're

1146
01:22:44.880 --> 01:22:47.800
continued great practice. Thank you,
James, Thank you Bill. Always a

1147
01:22:47.840 --> 01:22:51.800
privilege. God bless America. Let's
continue with more and if line becomes available

1148
01:22:51.840 --> 01:22:56.760
five one three, seven, four
nine seven pounds seven hundreds of new at

1149
01:22:56.840 --> 01:22:59.840
and t. There you got it, and we'll find out July eleventh,

1150
01:23:00.439 --> 01:23:03.439
and then find out about sometime in
October takes about one hundred and twenty days

1151
01:23:03.640 --> 01:23:08.479
about four months to prepare the pre
sentenced investigation report, and once it is

1152
01:23:08.560 --> 01:23:11.359
done, then they set a sentencing. I would not be surprised if this

1153
01:23:11.520 --> 01:23:16.159
federal judge set sentencing after November the
fifth. And I would not be surprised

1154
01:23:16.199 --> 01:23:20.760
if Judge Mershawn in New York City
puts Trump in jail or house arrest to

1155
01:23:20.840 --> 01:23:26.319
keep him from campaigning because this conviction
was so political. To twenty six home

1156
01:23:26.399 --> 01:23:33.840
your Reds News Radio seven hundred ww
she knows so long as he was nine,

1157
01:23:34.439 --> 01:23:44.520
our freedom could never be secured.
Hello, quiet, and I'm I'm

1158
01:23:44.520 --> 01:23:51.520
broadcasting a rock. After I had
in the Great Men of Mason, they

1159
01:23:51.560 --> 01:23:56.359
went undefeated, untied, unscored on
won the state tied away. I heard

1160
01:23:57.359 --> 01:24:00.560
faithful member coach the elder got a
hold of me. But after they won

1161
01:24:00.680 --> 01:24:04.840
twenty state baseball titles, Muller's won
nine, tell us how good they are?

1162
01:24:05.600 --> 01:24:09.079
Well, that's a point, but
they won the first and they are

1163
01:24:09.479 --> 01:24:14.800
hometown team because that's the transmitter,
that's Mason without them. Didn't the coach

1164
01:24:14.840 --> 01:24:17.239
say they were going to be called
the Transmitters in honor of us the Towers

1165
01:24:17.319 --> 01:24:23.000
the Towers tours, but the school
board said no. And they said no,

1166
01:24:23.039 --> 01:24:26.319
they should have went to the They
should have been the Mason transmitters.

1167
01:24:26.399 --> 01:24:29.359
It could have gotten some adorsement money
out of us. Right, we would

1168
01:24:29.359 --> 01:24:33.239
have paid him big money, Michael
Below was we would have paid right this

1169
01:24:33.640 --> 01:24:39.600
company lets sparspense SA. You know
that's sentenced down a little bit for pronouns

1170
01:24:39.640 --> 01:24:44.760
and adjectives. Used the proper pronouns
too. For Michael Below winning pitcher,

1171
01:24:45.039 --> 01:24:47.079
he could pitch for the Reds right
now, I think. And the bigger

1172
01:24:47.119 --> 01:24:51.960
than you and the catcher Mark Rutherfert
could take Stevenson's place, and Anthony Suleik

1173
01:24:53.039 --> 01:24:56.560
and Brad Hart pretty good stuff.
They worked their whole life for the first

1174
01:24:56.640 --> 01:25:00.279
seventeen eighteen years to win and they
did it. It's awesome. I think

1175
01:25:00.319 --> 01:25:02.119
that's great now. The coach is
wonderful in the team, and what Scott

1176
01:25:02.199 --> 01:25:06.920
Sloan's doing is really a great thing. For Mason, no expense, that's

1177
01:25:06.960 --> 01:25:11.439
exactly right. And I asked a
coach how many what are we talking about

1178
01:25:11.479 --> 01:25:14.760
here? He said about forty to
forty five rings, And I said,

1179
01:25:14.800 --> 01:25:17.439
look, each one's about one thousand
dollars and Sloaney makes out he can he

1180
01:25:17.479 --> 01:25:20.800
can afford to do it. So
we want to thank Sloaney for stepping up,

1181
01:25:20.840 --> 01:25:24.640
along with coach Bly and the school
board, but they want to step

1182
01:25:24.720 --> 01:25:26.720
aside. Let Sloaney do what he
has to do. I mean, you

1183
01:25:26.800 --> 01:25:30.439
buy sand x rings all the time
for the championship about the park, I

1184
01:25:30.520 --> 01:25:32.720
did well. I had two other
partners with me. Oh yeah, that's

1185
01:25:32.800 --> 01:25:36.560
good to step up like that.
Not bad, right for the Saint Xavier

1186
01:25:36.600 --> 01:25:41.560
football team they win this year and
the lacrosse team next year. Really yeah,

1187
01:25:43.680 --> 01:25:45.600
got that on part of it,
part of it. Part of it

1188
01:25:45.800 --> 01:25:49.680
we had that I don't like lacrosse. That's cultural misappropriation of an Indian sport.

1189
01:25:50.239 --> 01:25:54.319
And you do that because you're a
privileged white guy. Isaac, Me

1190
01:25:54.399 --> 01:25:58.800
and the segment are like middle class, lower mass working guys. We're working.

1191
01:25:59.720 --> 01:26:01.279
Get out there and play a little
lacrosse and see what it's like.

1192
01:26:01.960 --> 01:26:04.439
Is they running around with a stick
in a basket or something? Well,

1193
01:26:04.479 --> 01:26:08.920
what a ball? You know?
It's like ice hockey without the soccer with

1194
01:26:09.520 --> 01:26:15.520
with sticks and not as ever ever
played shoot. It kind of came around

1195
01:26:15.399 --> 01:26:19.840
after my youth career, right,
I've told the story before. But I

1196
01:26:19.880 --> 01:26:23.479
remember when I was in high school. This is you know, ninety six,

1197
01:26:23.680 --> 01:26:27.479
ninety seven, there's about eight ten
guys at st X walked around with

1198
01:26:27.560 --> 01:26:30.880
across sticks and they loved it.
They lived it. They thought it was

1199
01:26:30.920 --> 01:26:32.159
the greatest thing ever. And they
tell us how great it's going to be.

1200
01:26:32.319 --> 01:26:36.840
And right now, if you told
me back then that these teams would

1201
01:26:36.880 --> 01:26:40.760
have you know, there's one hundred
and twenty one hundred and fifty kids you

1202
01:26:40.800 --> 01:26:45.199
know at st X that play lacrosse. No, it's huge soccer. Well,

1203
01:26:45.239 --> 01:26:47.199
the kids are playing lacrosscause they don't
want to play baseball anymore because baseball

1204
01:26:47.279 --> 01:26:53.000
is boring. And they've been you
know, they've been weathered to have you

1205
01:26:53.079 --> 01:26:57.199
know, with with how instant gratification
society is, how quick things are social

1206
01:26:57.279 --> 01:26:59.760
media, that they don't have attention
span, so they got to go,

1207
01:26:59.880 --> 01:27:01.640
go, go. They can't sit
out in right field for three hours and

1208
01:27:02.000 --> 01:27:05.760
watch them watch a dadlines. Have
you watched I used to coach them seven

1209
01:27:05.800 --> 01:27:10.439
eight year old boys try to play
baseball without a tea, just sit there

1210
01:27:10.520 --> 01:27:14.039
and nothing happens, but lacrosse are
running around all the time, right sack

1211
01:27:14.079 --> 01:27:16.960
shocker, No, I don't I
don't know, but give us some sports

1212
01:27:17.000 --> 01:27:20.640
and make it fast. But we
honor Mason despite the efforts of an elder

1213
01:27:20.720 --> 01:27:26.159
faithful to tell me they've won twenty. They've won twenty. Come on on,

1214
01:27:26.439 --> 01:27:30.640
come on on, man, Mason
coach LI congratulations. So Elder actually

1215
01:27:30.680 --> 01:27:33.079
got a hold of us and said, hey, not Elder itself one of

1216
01:27:33.119 --> 01:27:39.680
the former players who won a state
title. I can't say, you know

1217
01:27:39.760 --> 01:27:43.600
what. Then Elder opens up with
Mason. Next year it was the last

1218
01:27:43.640 --> 01:27:48.560
time the Elder won the state title
in baseball. It's been fairly recently happy

1219
01:27:48.720 --> 01:27:53.600
for twenty years. Yeah, come
on, but DearS native deer Park in

1220
01:27:53.720 --> 01:27:58.640
nineteen seventy seven with Hank Estes,
deer Park won the state title in baseball.

1221
01:27:58.880 --> 01:28:03.239
Remember that not wasn't born. Uh
the student reporters of Proud Service over

1222
01:28:03.279 --> 01:28:09.319
your local teme Star. He didn't
get their conditioning dealers Temestar quality. Who

1223
01:28:09.319 --> 01:28:13.399
could feel in Cincinnati call the experts
are preferred home comfort five, one,

1224
01:28:13.600 --> 01:28:19.479
three, eight, nine to two
h v A c Rock guy, Joe

1225
01:28:19.560 --> 01:28:25.439
Biden, it's time to ban assault
weapons. They're already banned. Assault weapons

1226
01:28:25.479 --> 01:28:30.720
are illegal. Automatic weapons already illegal. Since what right he's had a gun

1227
01:28:30.880 --> 01:28:34.039
safety deal today and his son just
got indicted. He's guilty. You can't

1228
01:28:34.079 --> 01:28:39.000
make it for Shenanigans with a gun. That's I wrong. By the way,

1229
01:28:39.039 --> 01:28:41.760
I have I have something. I
got an idea. This is if

1230
01:28:41.800 --> 01:28:45.239
the if the Biden people are listening, this is some advice to them to

1231
01:28:45.279 --> 01:28:47.720
help Joe Biden because he's not doing
well right. He throws up today,

1232
01:28:47.760 --> 01:28:50.479
he froze up at some event.
They said, here's what he should do.

1233
01:28:50.840 --> 01:28:56.520
Okay, his team's listening. He
should come out and pardon Trump.

1234
01:28:57.319 --> 01:29:01.119
Pardon Trump, because then all the
college educated white women will like, oh

1235
01:29:01.199 --> 01:29:04.520
my god, the benevolent leader we've
all been waiting for. Blah blah blah.

1236
01:29:04.560 --> 01:29:08.520
His poll numbers go through the roof, and then the next day he

1237
01:29:08.640 --> 01:29:12.159
can be justified in pardoning Hunter Biden. What do you think of that?

1238
01:29:12.239 --> 01:29:14.479
What do you do with the state
Joe move that's what he should do.

1239
01:29:14.560 --> 01:29:16.840
What do you do with Governor Hokeel
in New York State? The state charges

1240
01:29:16.880 --> 01:29:20.520
he doesn't control that. What do
you do with that? We'll be able

1241
01:29:20.560 --> 01:29:24.079
to get that done in New York. We think call her up and say,

1242
01:29:24.119 --> 01:29:27.640
hey, hok yes, don't be
a joke. Pardon him. What

1243
01:29:27.760 --> 01:29:30.920
if the governor of New York and
Kemp and Georgia the governor, of course

1244
01:29:30.920 --> 01:29:34.520
they would do pardon Trump and he
pardons Trump along with Hunter. Yeah,

1245
01:29:34.760 --> 01:29:39.279
let's have a debate on the real
issue. Pardon them. I'm telling you

1246
01:29:39.560 --> 01:29:42.640
he would come off as the benevolent
leader and look to look at him.

1247
01:29:42.640 --> 01:29:45.000
He's going above the fray and not
this nastiness. He just wants to do

1248
01:29:45.079 --> 01:29:48.520
the right thing and talk about suburban
knights. Would look, it's the It's

1249
01:29:48.600 --> 01:29:51.439
the only thing he has right now. He needs a hell Mary, He

1250
01:29:51.520 --> 01:29:55.439
needs to do something like that,
hocal, because him getting out in front

1251
01:29:55.479 --> 01:30:00.600
and on a talking at a podium
isn't doing it. Not linguistically great,

1252
01:30:00.680 --> 01:30:05.800
shall we? So they should steal
that idea? All right? We got

1253
01:30:05.840 --> 01:30:11.439
the record two thousand and five,
It's been what nineteen years the last Elder

1254
01:30:11.560 --> 01:30:16.199
title, and Mason was last week. Mueller's won it five times since then,

1255
01:30:16.800 --> 01:30:20.880
So what this time Mason won?
Mason? That's don't confuse me with

1256
01:30:20.960 --> 01:30:25.880
the facts. Sank go Yes,
for sure. The battle for the Ohio

1257
01:30:26.039 --> 01:30:30.399
Cup begins tonight Downtown Rock those Guardians
in Town and the Reds to start a

1258
01:30:30.479 --> 01:30:35.880
two game set and six' ten
with Sports Talking Lance and the Artell Carriers

1259
01:30:35.920 --> 01:30:41.399
Inside Pitch, the Kelsey Chevrolet Extra
Ding Show after the game, where about

1260
01:30:41.439 --> 01:30:45.680
Detroit? And in baseball, an
inferior team can always beat a better team

1261
01:30:46.239 --> 01:30:49.960
with good pitching. You're gonna have
one pitcher. Mason's got the hammer.

1262
01:30:50.399 --> 01:30:55.720
And if he shuts you down,
he gave Mueller zero hits. Michael blow

1263
01:30:55.960 --> 01:30:59.000
Below got it done. And if
you you could run into a hosive fact,

1264
01:30:59.039 --> 01:31:03.560
especially sports baseball, you know,
good luck. And he's healthy and

1265
01:31:03.640 --> 01:31:09.840
he can throw the stud no hits. Mooler going to George Mason and yes,

1266
01:31:10.520 --> 01:31:13.560
uh the state champion Mason team while
he was just here an hour ago.

1267
01:31:14.119 --> 01:31:17.119
They moved up four spots now in
the Max Preps and nationally they are

1268
01:31:17.199 --> 01:31:21.359
ranked twelve in the nation. Not
bad, not bad. Uh. Let's

1269
01:31:21.399 --> 01:31:27.399
see. Bengals opened up their three
day mandatory mini camp. What's going on

1270
01:31:27.520 --> 01:31:31.479
down there? To a few of
those camps the final phase of the offseason

1271
01:31:31.560 --> 01:31:36.199
program. Joe Burrows spoke to the
people today and guess what he's taking up

1272
01:31:36.279 --> 01:31:44.640
piano. He's learning to play the
piano. Mike risk Area issue. Yeah,

1273
01:31:44.800 --> 01:31:46.720
he's gonna He's gonna do it.
You're traveling sit by the pool and

1274
01:31:46.800 --> 01:31:53.119
he's learning to play the piano via
the YouTube videos. He's playing Mozart,

1275
01:31:53.720 --> 01:31:59.720
Beethoven and rock Monoof Right now,
Rocknof one of the great composers of the

1276
01:31:59.760 --> 01:32:01.680
world. What do you know about
rock Mononoff. He's a great composer.

1277
01:32:02.079 --> 01:32:04.880
Let me ask you that Sheriff gets
a rock Monanoff, I'll show you you

1278
01:32:05.039 --> 01:32:09.479
shut the hell up. So right
now, the media and everybody's like,

1279
01:32:09.560 --> 01:32:12.000
oh my god, that's so great. He's playing the piano. That's so

1280
01:32:12.159 --> 01:32:15.279
awesome. And then maybe it is
you think Zach Taylor deep down is like

1281
01:32:15.760 --> 01:32:18.079
great or does he want boy?
Maybe my quarterbacks should be like, you

1282
01:32:18.159 --> 01:32:21.760
know, working on football. How
about the pant Mike Reed, Remember Mike

1283
01:32:21.840 --> 01:32:27.199
Reid before you were born, Bengals
driver, seventy four penn State. What

1284
01:32:27.319 --> 01:32:30.039
did he play the piano? And
he quit playing football? Football coaches and

1285
01:32:30.079 --> 01:32:33.520
he went on to be a great
a great singer in that right, composer.

1286
01:32:33.640 --> 01:32:36.760
Football coaches want you to eat,
sleep, and breathe and do nothing

1287
01:32:36.840 --> 01:32:40.600
but football because that's what they do. And that's you know, they're saying

1288
01:32:40.600 --> 01:32:43.199
a long you're getting pay a lot
of money. Look, it's not a

1289
01:32:43.239 --> 01:32:46.479
big deal, but I'm just saying, whatever, what about a supple wrist?

1290
01:32:46.960 --> 01:32:53.840
He needs a supple rist. USA
basketball set experience was the name main

1291
01:32:54.039 --> 01:32:59.399
reason Caitlin Clark will not be on
the US Women's Olympic roster. It's ridiculous.

1292
01:33:00.159 --> 01:33:02.000
I bet you NBC is going berserk. She'll be on You want to

1293
01:33:02.039 --> 01:33:04.520
bet me he'll be on it?
Are you gonna? Are you gonna watch

1294
01:33:04.560 --> 01:33:09.239
the w NBA or that mean the
Olympics if Keylon Clark is not on the

1295
01:33:09.279 --> 01:33:11.760
team. No? Can you have
watched if she was on it? Yes?

1296
01:33:12.199 --> 01:33:16.640
Can you name player on the USA
women's team? No? Other than

1297
01:33:16.680 --> 01:33:20.239
Britney Grinder. But she can't play. She's you know, she played two

1298
01:33:20.319 --> 01:33:25.279
games and it's not in shape.
Say could you name other than Britney Grinder

1299
01:33:25.640 --> 01:33:28.720
a player in the US women's team. I don't think it's been picked yet,

1300
01:33:28.760 --> 01:33:30.119
has it? Yes? It is? Oh? Well, I don't

1301
01:33:30.119 --> 01:33:31.399
know, of course, I have
no idea. It took fifteen I don't

1302
01:33:31.399 --> 01:33:35.319
know. I have no idea,
you know. And golf US Open Thursday,

1303
01:33:35.439 --> 01:33:42.720
t times our man Jim Herman is
at eight forty five am. Tiger

1304
01:33:42.760 --> 01:33:47.800
Woods at seven thirty. How about
this group one fifteen on Thursday? McElroy

1305
01:33:48.439 --> 01:33:56.720
Schoffley Scheffler like a law firm.
Did you hear the matchup between Xander Schoffley

1306
01:33:56.800 --> 01:34:03.800
and Michael Jordan. Stories are out. Michael Jordan beat Xander Schoffley. Now

1307
01:34:03.920 --> 01:34:10.359
he got eight strokes, okay,
and on his own without the strokes.

1308
01:34:10.479 --> 01:34:15.239
Michael Jordan birdied fifteen and sixteen at
the memorial. They played on Tuesday before

1309
01:34:15.279 --> 01:34:21.640
the tournament, and Michael Jordan finishes
one up on Xander Shoffley. How many

1310
01:34:21.680 --> 01:34:26.039
strokes do you want against the the
guy from UC You want a ten,

1311
01:34:26.119 --> 01:34:29.039
didn't you. I'm a six handicapp
now my handicaps, and you wanted the

1312
01:34:29.079 --> 01:34:34.159
guy who play left handed and with
a pass strings tied together? Yeah,

1313
01:34:34.359 --> 01:34:36.680
Ty Gingrich, you want to play
him, I'll play him. Give me

1314
01:34:36.760 --> 01:34:44.680
ten strokes on kenot he's gonna play
blindfolded. What is a PGA pro am?

1315
01:34:44.760 --> 01:34:46.720
I yes, I am, Yes, you are right, you say

1316
01:34:46.840 --> 01:34:51.239
so. I don't know, seg. But Xander Schoffley taken down by Michael

1317
01:34:51.319 --> 01:34:55.640
Jordan, and by the way,
is like sixty one years old and he's

1318
01:34:56.119 --> 01:35:00.920
in a fishing tournament this weekend.
I think off the Atlanta coast or something

1319
01:35:00.359 --> 01:35:05.920
with his fifty foot yacht fishing boat
and yacht what's what's it called? I

1320
01:35:06.079 --> 01:35:11.399
hop pancakes which I don't know?
Twenty three eleven racing, twenty three eleven

1321
01:35:11.479 --> 01:35:14.520
racing? What's on the big?
George Jordy used to play like thirty six

1322
01:35:14.560 --> 01:35:17.439
holes of golf for like an NBA
playoff game. Wouldn't he as insane?

1323
01:35:18.119 --> 01:35:24.880
One time two cigars have a have
a couple of beers play six golf and

1324
01:35:24.960 --> 01:35:30.399
then another triple double. He'll be
in the playoffs. I knew someone I

1325
01:35:30.439 --> 01:35:33.720
gotta do tomorrow. I'm I'm in
Las Vegas. I knew somebody. We

1326
01:35:33.800 --> 01:35:39.279
played a place called Cascata, which
is like winds Favor. It was beautiful.

1327
01:35:39.680 --> 01:35:42.279
So the pro says, look,
we got two foursome, and he

1328
01:35:42.279 --> 01:35:45.600
said, look, Michael Jordan may
be out here, and would you let

1329
01:35:45.680 --> 01:35:47.319
him go through? And I said, he's got a twosome. He said,

1330
01:35:47.319 --> 01:35:55.840
well sure, sure, sure,
what So we're playing Cascotta and you

1331
01:35:55.920 --> 01:35:59.159
know, and I'm in the second
looking behind me, I see two large

1332
01:35:59.199 --> 01:36:02.399
black guys teeing off on the par
four behind us, and I'm looking I

1333
01:36:02.479 --> 01:36:05.079
said, that's him. So we
as soon as we hit the seconds,

1334
01:36:05.840 --> 01:36:10.680
come on through. Michael Jordan and
Chuck Barkley are playing golf. What is

1335
01:36:10.760 --> 01:36:13.840
swing? Barkley? And it was
terrible and Michael both had cigars. And

1336
01:36:13.920 --> 01:36:15.680
how you guys doing? I said, great? Went through, We played

1337
01:36:15.720 --> 01:36:19.279
about seven eight more holes, and
then he came through again. In other

1338
01:36:19.319 --> 01:36:24.359
words, he played eighteen and the
twosome then went through and played another eighteen

1339
01:36:24.720 --> 01:36:28.399
in about four or four and a
half hours, I said Michael Jordan when

1340
01:36:28.399 --> 01:36:31.399
he won the title in Utah,
he got done and there was still daylight,

1341
01:36:31.840 --> 01:36:34.479
he said, I got time for
a round of golf. Havy won

1342
01:36:34.560 --> 01:36:41.720
the unbelievable look at golf that much. Yes, Geez and his race team

1343
01:36:41.800 --> 01:36:45.479
won a couple of weeks ago on
the NASCAR circuit, and you would have

1344
01:36:45.520 --> 01:36:49.520
thought he won another NBA championship.
He was so s when the Little Rock

1345
01:36:49.600 --> 01:36:54.439
won the Super Bowl, what were
you like? Amazing? As good as

1346
01:36:54.479 --> 01:36:57.960
one? I went and won the
one myself. Well, when when your

1347
01:36:58.000 --> 01:37:04.520
wife is saying, where's the baby, the baby? Baby's over there to

1348
01:37:04.520 --> 01:37:08.760
worry about it? Come on now, we got not on the line.

1349
01:37:11.119 --> 01:37:15.520
The Sheriff Joey Chestnut has been banned
from the Nathan's hot Dog eating contest.

1350
01:37:15.680 --> 01:37:20.880
So the issue is he has a
deal with a vegan substitute hot dog company

1351
01:37:21.000 --> 01:37:26.399
pays in like a million bucks,
and they would not allow him to compete

1352
01:37:26.640 --> 01:37:30.880
in this come and the Nathan's because
they hot dogs for God's sake. I

1353
01:37:30.960 --> 01:37:35.800
guess you know that I competed in
a saying almost shrimp eating contest against Joey

1354
01:37:35.920 --> 01:37:41.319
Chestnut shrimp eating. Yeah, so
I want it for the Colts having back

1355
01:37:41.359 --> 01:37:44.239
for a football game. This is
four years ago, and they said,

1356
01:37:44.239 --> 01:37:46.800
hey, a halftime Joey Chestnuts here, do you want to compete in a

1357
01:37:47.159 --> 01:37:53.479
shrimp eating contest? Star? So
we're it's amazing. But if you ever

1358
01:37:53.520 --> 01:37:57.520
had a Saint almost shrimp, the
cocktail sauce is legendary and it is it

1359
01:37:57.600 --> 01:38:02.479
will clear your sinuses and a millisecond
it is hot. So they say,

1360
01:38:02.600 --> 01:38:06.600
go, it's me Joey Chesnutt and
his other older Colts player. And so

1361
01:38:06.840 --> 01:38:10.439
I'm reaching there. I got my
fork and I'm cutting one eating. I

1362
01:38:10.520 --> 01:38:15.439
looked to my left and he has
two hands in these cocktail dishes, just

1363
01:38:15.800 --> 01:38:21.079
slamming shrimp, like just just cocktail
sauce and spit and sweat and bile and

1364
01:38:21.319 --> 01:38:25.239
everything flying all over the place.
And I was like, this is the

1365
01:38:25.359 --> 01:38:29.239
grossest yet most unbelievable thing I've ever
seen in my life. So I lost

1366
01:38:30.199 --> 01:38:32.800
and I had no shot. I'm
sitting here, coach shot cutting the shrimp

1367
01:38:32.880 --> 01:38:39.760
up and blow blown ala the like. Just it was incredible what that guy

1368
01:38:39.840 --> 01:38:42.439
did. He came in about three
four years ago, sitting right there.

1369
01:38:42.479 --> 01:38:46.880
He ate two large pepperoni pizzas and
the roses loaded two large fifteen inches.

1370
01:38:47.039 --> 01:38:49.600
They went down within about seven or
eight minutes. I never saw that.

1371
01:38:50.039 --> 01:38:54.600
Put the meat in your mouth.
He's taking this piece. I think he

1372
01:38:54.680 --> 01:38:58.399
eats a cardboard box. Dude down
dig he rolls him up and just stuffs

1373
01:38:58.479 --> 01:39:00.920
him into his mouth each piece of
you know you eat a piece of pizza.

1374
01:39:00.119 --> 01:39:02.079
Yeah, no, he just rolled
it up and say he started eating

1375
01:39:02.119 --> 01:39:08.800
it. I'm going I mean watching
the hot dog getting contests. Kobe is

1376
01:39:08.920 --> 01:39:12.560
Kobe Hashi back or did he retire? He's something that he retired, didn't

1377
01:39:12.560 --> 01:39:15.119
he or did he left he retired? Wonder he's going to be the new

1378
01:39:15.239 --> 01:39:17.760
champ then, but he set the
bar back before he I forget what year

1379
01:39:17.760 --> 01:39:20.560
it was, but the hot dog
record was like, you know, twenty

1380
01:39:20.640 --> 01:39:24.680
three, twenty four, and all
of a sudden he hits fifty. We

1381
01:39:24.760 --> 01:39:28.600
were like what. But what he
did is he studied not how to eat

1382
01:39:28.680 --> 01:39:32.039
more hot dogs. He studied how
to eat one hot dog as efficiently as

1383
01:39:32.119 --> 01:39:35.800
possible. And he came up with
the method of dunking the bread to condense

1384
01:39:35.880 --> 01:39:39.640
the dough and get the air out
of it and stuff. And that's how

1385
01:39:39.680 --> 01:39:43.000
I wanted. It was very scientific
record, like sixties. Oh he had

1386
01:39:43.039 --> 01:39:45.159
like snow. I think the chestn
is like seventy, doesn't he? I

1387
01:39:45.199 --> 01:39:47.359
think so pretty much. What's on
the big show today? If anything,

1388
01:39:47.479 --> 01:39:50.319
we have a Patricia Newberry from the
Inquirer out of the gate. You might

1389
01:39:50.359 --> 01:39:55.399
have seeing the story what is the
future of Lunkin Airport. They need to

1390
01:39:55.600 --> 01:39:59.640
remodel, they need to upgrade some
things, but I don't know how to

1391
01:39:59.680 --> 01:40:01.520
do that. That's a big,
big number. They have number one million.

1392
01:40:01.600 --> 01:40:04.920
That's gonna be interesting. That's a
very iconic part of Cincinnati, Lunking

1393
01:40:04.960 --> 01:40:08.760
Airport, one hundred million on a
P and G. A lot of private

1394
01:40:08.800 --> 01:40:11.439
businesses fly out of there, a
lot of You're gonna do me and Sega

1395
01:40:11.520 --> 01:40:15.159
at the Greyhound bus station. Your
buddies are at Lunking sure, formerly Lunkenheimer.

1396
01:40:15.439 --> 01:40:19.279
Yes. And then we have your
former girlfriend Tanyo O'Rourke at three thirty

1397
01:40:19.319 --> 01:40:23.840
five. I always liked her.
Yeah, and many other things. To

1398
01:40:24.000 --> 01:40:28.720
see what happens, Thank you,
Rock segment Biden has to pardon Trump and

1399
01:40:28.800 --> 01:40:32.199
then he can pardon his son,
and wouldn't that be popular? The most

1400
01:40:32.199 --> 01:40:36.000
part, I'm telling you that that's
that's his only shot. That's a stop

1401
01:40:39.000 --> 01:40:41.520
and Frey, get me out of
the students. You know he's in space,

1402
01:40:42.399 --> 01:40:45.600
Willy and Honor of the Reds and
Guardians going at it tonight and gave

1403
01:40:45.680 --> 01:40:48.199
one of the Ohio cup. Get
beeloo on the mound. We leave you

1404
01:40:48.319 --> 01:40:55.600
with the immortal words of the Stoodport. Give me the Jeff Brantley final meal

1405
01:40:55.720 --> 01:41:02.800
before you meet your maker. Fried
chicken, green bean casserole, pashed brown

1406
01:41:02.880 --> 01:41:09.479
potatoes with cheese and bacon, and
I finished it off with cement ice cream

1407
01:41:09.680 --> 01:41:13.000
with Oreo cookies. That would be
the last thing I want going into my

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mouth. You know what, maybe
he had to go to Atlantic City for

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the big event, and I don't
see that the cowboy Joey Chestnut banned and

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il money what's going on with a
great American event on seven hundred WLW