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My old friends for many years ago
in a different place and a different planet

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in Toledo, Ohio, about fifty
years ago, as I was a young

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bailiff and common Police court, or
rather much younger, Andy Douglas was practicing

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law, and to watch his career
the past fifty years culminate with about eighteen

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years on the Ohio Supreme Court.
The portrait wasn't veiled. I gave a

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great speech on his behalf. And
I want to thank Justice Chief Justice Sharon

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Kennedy and Justice Joe Dieters for inviting
me up. And as Dan Hills knows,

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Justice Joe is now in the rarefied
air on the ninth floor of the

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High Supreme Court Building in Columbus.
He has a whole bunch of ascots,

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he has a smoking pipe, he's
got his slippers and more. But until

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then, Sergeant Dan Hills, Sergeant
Hills, welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show.

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And Sergeant how are you ill?
Mean? I'm doing really good.

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I like to welcome eat stalinist Russia
because I think that's where we live now.

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Well, this is kind of unusual. But before we go about the

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Cincinnati police captain under investigation for alleged
derogatory comments. Go back in time just

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a little bit, and this is
about Captain Danita Pettis, who's a captain.

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She spent years doing other kind of
work and including nine one and now

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she's the president of the Sentinel Police
Association, which is the so called black

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union of black police officers, which
after today's decision this morning, might be

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illegal, by the way, But
nonetheless, to talk about Rose Valentine,

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she was one of the policewomen of
Cincinnati, had her on with a couple

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other females and they're on the main
streets of Cincinnati dealing with the worst elements

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in town. What happened to police
Officer Rose before everything happened, Well,

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you know, I don't know how
many months and even over a year ago

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now that she had become frustrated with
some people that were in her way as

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she was trying to pull back into
the district and she said some really ugly

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things that she shouldn't have said to
herself. She thought it was to herself,

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um, but was captured on her
body worn camera which had been triggered

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by her I think maybe she hit
the airhorn or something. There's a there,

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there's there's about a half dozen thing
that will turn your body worn camera

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on when you're in Saint Policeman.
Now, so if somebody next you pulls

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their gun out or pulls their taser
out, um you know, even if

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it's the take it out of their
belt before they take their belt off to

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go to the bathroom, your body
worn camera goes on. And all this

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stuff is redacted by um OUR I
think it's our record section or something.

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They go through all these tapes,
and especially when there's a tape that was

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requested by defense because at the time
she was still um off off service.

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She was out of service UH two
sevens or code with this UH and theft

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investigation. I think it was.
So her attorney had all these tapes,

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was going to get all these tapes
and then they had to be redacted,

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and they heard that extremely ugly comment
and turned it over and that's how it

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all started. That's how the discipline
started. Of course, it got thrown

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into the public airways, which then
got the politicians all up in a frenzy

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and they came up with our zero
tolering, zero zero tolerance penalties for anything

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that sounds racially discriminatory rose out you
know, was fired. She went through

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arbitration, uh, the arbitration decision
as they asked for the arbitrators a three

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arbiter panelists for an extension. And
I think it's the end of this week,

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will we maybe even tomorrow it's due
to come out. They'll probably ask

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for another extension to keep hunting this
thing. And but in the meantime city

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council came up with these zero tolerance
policies. And that's fact. That's backs

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my Stalinish Russia comment to where now, if you want to take somebody out,

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all you have to do is catch
them any time, day, night,

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on duty, off duty, whenever, saying something ugly. And the

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fact that nobody wants to admit is
that we all say ugly things at one

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time or another. We all take
people into confidence of time, whether you're

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talking to a friend, a brother, or a sister, or a neighbor,

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whatever, and you say things that
you wouldn't normally say at work or

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in public or whatever. And you
know, in this case here, look,

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you know, Captain Pettison, I
have kind of up and down.

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That's why I phrased it in social
media passed and even you know, our

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ups and downs have been at times
public, especially our down. It's more

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down. I don't want to live
in a place. I don't want to

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live in a place where we're we're
we're reporting to the government all the time.

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You know, Hey, I heard
Cunningham. I heard him sitting privately

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that this isn't. I don't use
those words. I don't. I don't

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believe I don't use those words in
private because it's not part of my vernacular.

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But to go back in time,
police Officer Rose Valentine is a great

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American, working hard to herself,
not communicated to another, dropped the end

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bomb, and all hell broke loose. So city council, being politically correct,

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jumped forward. I wonder how many
times those council members have used the

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end word in their life. But
nonetheless, it was recorded without her knowledge

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or intent to be recorded. Now, let's move on to Captain de Nita

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Pettis. She's a captain. She's
up to become the next police chief.

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At some point Thiji got the job, but she applied and allegedly I want

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to get the facts out to the
American people this afternoon that Officer Tony Nash

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and Tony is spelled t O N
I may I assume that Tony Nash is

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a female or may I use the
term? Does she identify as a female?

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Yeah, she currently identifies. This
all could change tomorrow, but I'm

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gonna get the facts out. But
according to officer, Tony Nash identifying as

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a female presently says Captain Denita Pettis, who also identifies as a female,

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made derogatory comments and took place hostility
against her on a phone call. The

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complaint a legends the audio recording is
from a third party without a warrant.

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Someone recorded a third party. And
I don't know by looking at this exactly

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what she said. One part of
the call says like you and then there's

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like h seven or eight stars like
you? Blank? What what did she?

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Can you give me the first letter
of what she said? Well,

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I think she was kin about uh
an F word for intercourse um, and

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and then talking about who she slept
with. And then she said, you

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using the F bomb, you eaten
white men since you came on the department.

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That's how you fed to get off
FTO status over there, fu white

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a training officer in District three.
When you mf in a monkey a s

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s I can say as monkey ass
was still. So this black woman is

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saying to a white woman, may
I use the word uh intercourse her way

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to the top, and that she
also no, no, no, that

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she's talking to everybody involved in this. I don't know who the third party

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is, um, and I might
be wrong to assume that the third party

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is also African American, but I
don't know. But Tony is African American.

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Um uh the nit the Pettis's African
American, and I think they're all

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black. I don't know for sure
who the third party is identify they identify

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as black, yes, well they
do identify a black and and but there

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um, you know, there was
some mention about who uh Tony may or

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may have not um done the relations
had relations to you to get to the

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top. And so Officer Tony Nash
who identifies say the Tony. No,

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she's not saying this the Tony somebody
else. Yeah, she doesn't supervise Tony.

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Uh Tony doesn't live in the district
in which uh Captain Pettis has command.

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Um. I think they they have
occasion to uh be around each other

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in Sentinel business. And I don't
know if something want to ride there.

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I don't know if there was other
personal feelings, but essentially what I get,

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just to make this shortest, she's
venting to a friend. You know,

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it's like if I was if I
was talking to Tony about our friend

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Willie, and I'm just going off
about our friend Willie to Tony and the

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Tony, unbeknowns to me, is
taping it, and he's got all this

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stuff about what I'm saying about Willie, and uh, you know, I

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want to appreciate that. I would
not appreciate if Tony did that to me.

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Is monkey ass is out one of
those words that can get you summarily

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fired? According to city council,
isn't that a racial epithet? About a

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black person using the word monkey and
one of our semi and friends. Isn't

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that a racial epithet? You shouldn't
do. I told the News, I

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don't believe it's racial. I mean, I don't think an African American is

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gonna say monkey U in a racial
thing. It doesn't make any sense.

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Why would a why would a why
would a black person say rookie? You

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know, I don't that's that's that's
that's what I did. That's what I

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I'm reading this so so was the
N word other than the F word and

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the MF word and the monkey S
word? Are those the worst words that

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were wrongfully recorded? Is that?
The worst is that I have heard?

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Yes? All right now? When
she said N word, she said N

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word. She didn't say the N
word. She said N word uh as

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part of the conversation. But she
did, she did, she did.

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She did not say the N word. She didn't. This is tough for

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to make you understand. She referred
to the N word the same way we

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are now. She said, you
know the N word, you know,

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so when she's when when when he's
there calling you the N word? That's

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say So the N word came out
of the N word came out of Captain

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de Nita Pettis's mouth. No,
no, no, I didn't getting your

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your audience confused. She did not
see an word, she said. She

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said it in the reference like I'm
just saying to you right now, U

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N word. You know she was
talking about I think I think the reference

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was to Tony's ex husband, and
she said, and he's there calling you

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the N word, But she didn't
say it. She didn't say it.

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There was no there was no two
valves put together, he said, And

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and then word you understand, don't
no, I don't refuse your audience.

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God, I don't want to confuse
anybody. But you're saying, she said

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the N word in reference is something
else, and you're saying she didn't say

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the N word and reference is something
else. She said the N word in

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referenced through a conversation, and therefore
she loses her Hurr, Huh, You're

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perfectly causing trouble. I think me
and Tony are going to have conversation about

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you later and which please do which
I currently I currently identify as a six

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foot ten inch Chinese email, so
I want to put that on the record

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immediately if someone wants to refer to
me as something. So at this point,

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Officer to identify as a release pitcher
for the Red They could use one.

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After last night, they could use
one. But Officer Tony Nash is

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arguing that pett Is violated two administrative
regulations. One is discrimination, harassment and

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the Workforce will not be dolrated,
which includes this. The other address is

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a respectful workplace environment free of bulling, inappropriate place, workplace, workplace workplace.

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That's the thing. If I'm off
duty and mean having a conversation about

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Willie, how is that workplace?
You know? I cannot have an I

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have a conversation with Tony? Can
I not know? You cannot? I

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can? I can? I believe
you can. I believe for a moment

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that you can't. You can't say
anything. Don't talk, no, don't

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say so. You got two black
females going at each other, and each

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of them are using discrimination as a
verbal club on the other. So these

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two blocks, well, you know
what I want to know. I want

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to know what the blank parted SAPs
are from the mystery third person? What

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are they saying in between whatever Captain
Pettis is saying? Do you want to

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live in a country like this?
I mean, really, well, he

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do you know the place where?
Where? You know? At any any

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time, Tony could just turn me
in because of a conversation that he and

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I. Hey, he could he
could turn it into the police department and

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say not that I workday police anymore. But if I did, he could

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turn it in and go listen to
the listen to the language that he used

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about who identifies as a privately,
he's a Chinese female. I don't know

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anyway in your audience. I'm trying
to your audience nothing. I wish we

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could say words, but we can't
say the words. But anyway, Joe

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Mallory of the NAACP, he don't
know what to do. So he's out

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a complaint. He's a black female
in a pretzel. He's got his head

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down and he's saying, wow,
Well, she's a high ranking officer that

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may want to make an example of
her, but I don't think that's fair.

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And of course Pettis herself in twenty
eighteen and two white officers accused her

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of engaging in racist behavior. And
so at this point, I don't know

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what the hell is going on.
At this point, Pettis is in the

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bullpet. She's on the bench.
She can't play anymore. Not the commander

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of district was at three, and
she's maybe going to become two, maybe

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becoming the next police chief at their
thiji, but now not at least yeah

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maybe, so what the hell?
Well, what do we do? What

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are we doing to the children?
I want to know what the hell are

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we doing this? We're letting politicians
make rules so they can get themselves votes

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instead of instead of letting the police
department get them together. Zero teens there.

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We we we pushed things out into
the media and then go and then

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stand in front of a microphone and
say zero tolerant and we've got to put

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an end of this racism in everything
else. And then it comes back around

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and you know, Luke, Joe
Malory tied in a preszel. I don't

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know what did I well, let's
talk about Joe Maurray, who came to

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the arbitration hearing of Rose Bounds,
you know, and said to the arbiters,

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well, you know what if do
you give her job back? I

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can't promise you, you know,
but I'm gonna be talking to the community.

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I'm not very happy. I felt
it was kind of a hint at

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something that wasn't Why did the city
Why did the city call for Joe Mallory

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to be a witness in that arbitration
hearing? That was that was like bizarre

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to me. That was what almost
saw out of my chair when they called

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him and he started talking, like, wait a second, he wasn't there

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that day in District three. He
doesn't make policy and procedure on the police

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department. He was just there to
let the front really really ugly. And

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now now you got two black females, one using I think monkey ass relative

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to a black female or otherwise is
a racial epithet. I think accusing a

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black woman of sleeping her way to
the top. Uh, and the word

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sleeping wasn't used. Uh is a
bad thing. But nonetheless, if put

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me in charge, she gets five
days in the bullpen, she gets two

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or three days off. Don't do
it again. Back to work, Rose

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Valentine belongs back on the back in
the field. We don't have enough good

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cops. She made a mistake,
she acknowledged that it was private, and

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all of a sudden, white females
are treated differently in the black females.

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Right, well, I you know, you right have to ask Hill Mallory.

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Apparently he has all the answers,
all right, Well, of course

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the Mallories always have all the answers. But Dan Hills, I don't know

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exactly what we did. But thank
you for coming on the Bill Cunningham show.

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Bill. I want you to know
not only you are a great American,

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but you're my favorite Chinese lady.
Well six foot ten inch, I

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date yell Man, So you know
right now. That's how I identify,

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so you better treat me as such. And if you don't, you got

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a problem. Okay, it's not
my problem, it's your problem. Okay,

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Yes, sir, ma'am, thank
you, Danielle, thank you,

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all right, good bye, goodbye. I don't know what to say.

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I have no idea what we just
did. I have no idea what what

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was said? It was bad?
So what do you do? Slap him

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on the wrist and get back to
work. No no, no no no

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no no no no no no.
Zero tolerance means complete stupidity on seven hundred

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WLW. Hey truckers, it's time
for today's roll ha