My old friends for many years ago in a different place and a different planet
in Toledo, Ohio, about fifty years ago, as I was a young
bailiff and common Police court, or rather much younger, Andy Douglas was practicing
law, and to watch his career the past fifty years culminate with about eighteen
years on the Ohio Supreme Court. The portrait wasn't veiled. I gave a
great speech on his behalf. And I want to thank Justice Chief Justice Sharon
Kennedy and Justice Joe Dieters for inviting me up. And as Dan Hills knows,
Justice Joe is now in the rarefied air on the ninth floor of the
High Supreme Court Building in Columbus. He has a whole bunch of ascots,
he has a smoking pipe, he's got his slippers and more. But until
then, Sergeant Dan Hills, Sergeant Hills, welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show.
And Sergeant how are you ill? Mean? I'm doing really good.
I like to welcome eat stalinist Russia because I think that's where we live now.
Well, this is kind of unusual. But before we go about the
Cincinnati police captain under investigation for alleged derogatory comments. Go back in time just
a little bit, and this is about Captain Danita Pettis, who's a captain.
She spent years doing other kind of work and including nine one and now
she's the president of the Sentinel Police Association, which is the so called black
union of black police officers, which after today's decision this morning, might be
illegal, by the way, But nonetheless, to talk about Rose Valentine,
she was one of the policewomen of Cincinnati, had her on with a couple
other females and they're on the main streets of Cincinnati dealing with the worst elements
in town. What happened to police Officer Rose before everything happened, Well,
you know, I don't know how many months and even over a year ago
now that she had become frustrated with some people that were in her way as
she was trying to pull back into the district and she said some really ugly
things that she shouldn't have said to herself. She thought it was to herself,
um, but was captured on her body worn camera which had been triggered
by her I think maybe she hit the airhorn or something. There's a there,
there's there's about a half dozen thing that will turn your body worn camera
on when you're in Saint Policeman. Now, so if somebody next you pulls
their gun out or pulls their taser out, um you know, even if
it's the take it out of their belt before they take their belt off to
go to the bathroom, your body worn camera goes on. And all this
stuff is redacted by um OUR I think it's our record section or something.
They go through all these tapes, and especially when there's a tape that was
requested by defense because at the time she was still um off off service.
She was out of service UH two sevens or code with this UH and theft
investigation. I think it was. So her attorney had all these tapes,
was going to get all these tapes and then they had to be redacted,
and they heard that extremely ugly comment and turned it over and that's how it
all started. That's how the discipline started. Of course, it got thrown
into the public airways, which then got the politicians all up in a frenzy
and they came up with our zero tolering, zero zero tolerance penalties for anything
that sounds racially discriminatory rose out you know, was fired. She went through
arbitration, uh, the arbitration decision as they asked for the arbitrators a three
arbiter panelists for an extension. And I think it's the end of this week,
will we maybe even tomorrow it's due to come out. They'll probably ask
for another extension to keep hunting this thing. And but in the meantime city
council came up with these zero tolerance policies. And that's fact. That's backs
my Stalinish Russia comment to where now, if you want to take somebody out,
all you have to do is catch them any time, day, night,
on duty, off duty, whenever, saying something ugly. And the
fact that nobody wants to admit is that we all say ugly things at one
time or another. We all take people into confidence of time, whether you're
talking to a friend, a brother, or a sister, or a neighbor,
whatever, and you say things that you wouldn't normally say at work or
in public or whatever. And you know, in this case here, look,
you know, Captain Pettison, I have kind of up and down.
That's why I phrased it in social media passed and even you know, our
ups and downs have been at times public, especially our down. It's more
down. I don't want to live in a place. I don't want to
live in a place where we're we're we're reporting to the government all the time.
You know, Hey, I heard Cunningham. I heard him sitting privately
that this isn't. I don't use those words. I don't. I don't
believe I don't use those words in private because it's not part of my vernacular.
But to go back in time, police Officer Rose Valentine is a great
American, working hard to herself, not communicated to another, dropped the end
bomb, and all hell broke loose. So city council, being politically correct,
jumped forward. I wonder how many times those council members have used the
end word in their life. But nonetheless, it was recorded without her knowledge
or intent to be recorded. Now, let's move on to Captain de Nita
Pettis. She's a captain. She's up to become the next police chief.
At some point Thiji got the job, but she applied and allegedly I want
to get the facts out to the American people this afternoon that Officer Tony Nash
and Tony is spelled t O N I may I assume that Tony Nash is
a female or may I use the term? Does she identify as a female?
Yeah, she currently identifies. This all could change tomorrow, but I'm
gonna get the facts out. But according to officer, Tony Nash identifying as
a female presently says Captain Denita Pettis, who also identifies as a female,
made derogatory comments and took place hostility against her on a phone call. The
complaint a legends the audio recording is from a third party without a warrant.
Someone recorded a third party. And I don't know by looking at this exactly
what she said. One part of the call says like you and then there's
like h seven or eight stars like you? Blank? What what did she?
Can you give me the first letter of what she said? Well,
I think she was kin about uh an F word for intercourse um, and
and then talking about who she slept with. And then she said, you
using the F bomb, you eaten white men since you came on the department.
That's how you fed to get off FTO status over there, fu white
a training officer in District three. When you mf in a monkey a s
s I can say as monkey ass was still. So this black woman is
saying to a white woman, may I use the word uh intercourse her way
to the top, and that she also no, no, no, that
she's talking to everybody involved in this. I don't know who the third party
is, um, and I might be wrong to assume that the third party
is also African American, but I don't know. But Tony is African American.
Um uh the nit the Pettis's African American, and I think they're all
black. I don't know for sure who the third party is identify they identify
as black, yes, well they do identify a black and and but there
um, you know, there was some mention about who uh Tony may or
may have not um done the relations had relations to you to get to the
top. And so Officer Tony Nash who identifies say the Tony. No,
she's not saying this the Tony somebody else. Yeah, she doesn't supervise Tony.
Uh Tony doesn't live in the district in which uh Captain Pettis has command.
Um. I think they they have occasion to uh be around each other
in Sentinel business. And I don't know if something want to ride there.
I don't know if there was other personal feelings, but essentially what I get,
just to make this shortest, she's venting to a friend. You know,
it's like if I was if I was talking to Tony about our friend
Willie, and I'm just going off about our friend Willie to Tony and the
Tony, unbeknowns to me, is taping it, and he's got all this
stuff about what I'm saying about Willie, and uh, you know, I
want to appreciate that. I would not appreciate if Tony did that to me.
Is monkey ass is out one of those words that can get you summarily
fired? According to city council, isn't that a racial epithet? About a
black person using the word monkey and one of our semi and friends. Isn't
that a racial epithet? You shouldn't do. I told the News, I
don't believe it's racial. I mean, I don't think an African American is
gonna say monkey U in a racial thing. It doesn't make any sense.
Why would a why would a why would a black person say rookie? You
know, I don't that's that's that's that's what I did. That's what I
I'm reading this so so was the N word other than the F word and
the MF word and the monkey S word? Are those the worst words that
were wrongfully recorded? Is that? The worst is that I have heard?
Yes? All right now? When she said N word, she said N
word. She didn't say the N word. She said N word uh as
part of the conversation. But she did, she did, she did.
She did not say the N word. She didn't. This is tough for
to make you understand. She referred to the N word the same way we
are now. She said, you know the N word, you know,
so when she's when when when he's there calling you the N word? That's
say So the N word came out of the N word came out of Captain
de Nita Pettis's mouth. No, no, no, I didn't getting your
your audience confused. She did not see an word, she said. She
said it in the reference like I'm just saying to you right now, U
N word. You know she was talking about I think I think the reference
was to Tony's ex husband, and she said, and he's there calling you
the N word, But she didn't say it. She didn't say it.
There was no there was no two valves put together, he said, And
and then word you understand, don't no, I don't refuse your audience.
God, I don't want to confuse anybody. But you're saying, she said
the N word in reference is something else, and you're saying she didn't say
the N word and reference is something else. She said the N word in
referenced through a conversation, and therefore she loses her Hurr, Huh, You're
perfectly causing trouble. I think me and Tony are going to have conversation about
you later and which please do which I currently I currently identify as a six
foot ten inch Chinese email, so I want to put that on the record
immediately if someone wants to refer to me as something. So at this point,
Officer to identify as a release pitcher for the Red They could use one.
After last night, they could use one. But Officer Tony Nash is
arguing that pett Is violated two administrative regulations. One is discrimination, harassment and
the Workforce will not be dolrated, which includes this. The other address is
a respectful workplace environment free of bulling, inappropriate place, workplace, workplace workplace.
That's the thing. If I'm off duty and mean having a conversation about
Willie, how is that workplace? You know? I cannot have an I
have a conversation with Tony? Can I not know? You cannot? I
can? I can? I believe you can. I believe for a moment
that you can't. You can't say anything. Don't talk, no, don't
say so. You got two black females going at each other, and each
of them are using discrimination as a verbal club on the other. So these
two blocks, well, you know what I want to know. I want
to know what the blank parted SAPs are from the mystery third person? What
are they saying in between whatever Captain Pettis is saying? Do you want to
live in a country like this? I mean, really, well, he
do you know the place where? Where? You know? At any any
time, Tony could just turn me in because of a conversation that he and
I. Hey, he could he could turn it into the police department and
say not that I workday police anymore. But if I did, he could
turn it in and go listen to the listen to the language that he used
about who identifies as a privately, he's a Chinese female. I don't know
anyway in your audience. I'm trying to your audience nothing. I wish we
could say words, but we can't say the words. But anyway, Joe
Mallory of the NAACP, he don't know what to do. So he's out
a complaint. He's a black female in a pretzel. He's got his head
down and he's saying, wow, Well, she's a high ranking officer that
may want to make an example of her, but I don't think that's fair.
And of course Pettis herself in twenty eighteen and two white officers accused her
of engaging in racist behavior. And so at this point, I don't know
what the hell is going on. At this point, Pettis is in the
bullpet. She's on the bench. She can't play anymore. Not the commander
of district was at three, and she's maybe going to become two, maybe
becoming the next police chief at their thiji, but now not at least yeah
maybe, so what the hell? Well, what do we do? What
are we doing to the children? I want to know what the hell are
we doing this? We're letting politicians make rules so they can get themselves votes
instead of instead of letting the police department get them together. Zero teens there.
We we we pushed things out into the media and then go and then
stand in front of a microphone and say zero tolerant and we've got to put
an end of this racism in everything else. And then it comes back around
and you know, Luke, Joe Malory tied in a preszel. I don't
know what did I well, let's talk about Joe Maurray, who came to
the arbitration hearing of Rose Bounds, you know, and said to the arbiters,
well, you know what if do you give her job back? I
can't promise you, you know, but I'm gonna be talking to the community.
I'm not very happy. I felt it was kind of a hint at
something that wasn't Why did the city Why did the city call for Joe Mallory
to be a witness in that arbitration hearing? That was that was like bizarre
to me. That was what almost saw out of my chair when they called
him and he started talking, like, wait a second, he wasn't there
that day in District three. He doesn't make policy and procedure on the police
department. He was just there to let the front really really ugly. And
now now you got two black females, one using I think monkey ass relative
to a black female or otherwise is a racial epithet. I think accusing a
black woman of sleeping her way to the top. Uh, and the word
sleeping wasn't used. Uh is a bad thing. But nonetheless, if put
me in charge, she gets five days in the bullpen, she gets two
or three days off. Don't do it again. Back to work, Rose
Valentine belongs back on the back in the field. We don't have enough good
cops. She made a mistake, she acknowledged that it was private, and
all of a sudden, white females are treated differently in the black females.
Right, well, I you know, you right have to ask Hill Mallory.
Apparently he has all the answers, all right, Well, of course
the Mallories always have all the answers. But Dan Hills, I don't know
exactly what we did. But thank you for coming on the Bill Cunningham show.
Bill. I want you to know not only you are a great American,
but you're my favorite Chinese lady. Well six foot ten inch, I
date yell Man, So you know right now. That's how I identify,
so you better treat me as such. And if you don't, you got
a problem. Okay, it's not my problem, it's your problem. Okay,
Yes, sir, ma'am, thank you, Danielle, thank you,
all right, good bye, goodbye. I don't know what to say.
I have no idea what we just did. I have no idea what what
was said? It was bad? So what do you do? Slap him
on the wrist and get back to work. No no, no no no
no no no no no no. Zero tolerance means complete stupidity on seven hundred
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