1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:06,599 You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best in paranormal talk radio 2 00:00:06,799 --> 00:00:14,119 in the UK and around the world. You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio 3 00:00:14,279 --> 00:00:36,159 Network. Hello, is that the famous astronova, Sir Patrick Wall, it 4 00:00:36,359 --> 00:00:46,719 is any mules on the space front. ROUFS has just designed and developed five 5 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:53,280 igantic steadily art rocket ships. All members have pollowed along with the American Senate, 6 00:00:53,719 --> 00:00:58,000 have first class tickets of all them. You see they're told they're going 7 00:00:58,039 --> 00:01:04,560 to the moon. Exact where where they going? Sir Patrick? Then you 8 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:49,840 a normally discoverliciously astronomosis, a huge black hole. Welcome to Twin Souls. 9 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:55,359 Twin Souls is brought to an association with a paranormal UK radio network. Your 10 00:01:55,439 --> 00:02:00,760 host Philip can sella Now today our next guests really needs no introduction. An 11 00:02:00,799 --> 00:02:04,159 amazing guy, a brilliant author, and I have to say we've had him 12 00:02:04,159 --> 00:02:08,000 on the show before, especially concerning his first book, President Eisenhower's Close Encounter, 13 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:14,599 an investigation into Eisenhower's secret agreement with exteterrestrials. And Paul is here to 14 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:19,719 talk about his new book, Ladies and Gentlemen called The Nixon Gleason alien encounter 15 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:25,080 an investigation into Nixon's secret air base meeting to view extraterrestrials. Hello, Paul, 16 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:29,360 how are you. I'm doing just great, and I hope you and 17 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,319 everyone listening in is doing as well. Yeah. Well, as I said, 18 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,400 you know, Paul, we've had you on our show before. An 19 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:39,240 amazing guy that you are, and with regards to your meticulous research, not 20 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:44,159 just a youuuthologist, but your books are absolutely amazing. But I think the 21 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,599 first thing that we have to do here is to ask you, Paul, 22 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:55,800 how on earth did you get involved with investigating UFOs. I'm from Cape Girardo, 23 00:02:55,879 --> 00:03:01,240 Missouri, a small town near the Mississippi River, as is the famous 24 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:07,159 American broadcaster now deceased, Rush Limbaugh. When I was a little boy, 25 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,360 Rush Limbaugh was my little league baseball umpire. I didn't know him then. 26 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,039 He was just a big, bulky guy and I was just a skinny kid. 27 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,599 But he was calling the balls and strikes behind home plate. And now 28 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:22,000 here we are. He passed away a couple of years ago. He achieved 29 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,680 some worldwide fame, or at least mostly in America. But there was a 30 00:03:24,719 --> 00:03:30,639 story that I understand Rush learned about and heard about in high school, and 31 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:34,759 I heard about in the late nineties or around the year two thousand and that 32 00:03:34,919 --> 00:03:42,520 was a legitimate UFO crash outside of Cape Girardo in April of nineteen forty one. 33 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,960 So I thought, wow, that sounds interesting. I can't wait for 34 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:47,879 a book to come out. And I waited and waited and waited, and 35 00:03:47,919 --> 00:03:52,960 I finally decided, well, I'm a writer. I'll investigate and research and 36 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:57,400 write it myself. And it came out pretty well and did pretty well in 37 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,000 sales and such and reviews. And I wrote a second one that I kind 38 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,479 of regret. I kind of rambled on and put in too much information. 39 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:12,159 So recently I combined these first two books and corrected a few small mistakes, 40 00:04:12,159 --> 00:04:16,160 and I've added a few more facts and clues in the case, and it 41 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:21,959 should be coming out this fall. But during my research, I happened upon 42 00:04:23,079 --> 00:04:28,000 the Eisenhower encounter story from nineteen fifty four, and it was the same exact 43 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,040 way. This sounds exciting. Where is there a book on this? And 44 00:04:31,079 --> 00:04:35,120 there's not a single one. So I researched it for years and put it 45 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:41,600 together, and it also did well with good reviews. I was recently contacted 46 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:46,560 by Amazon. They've got a list of well reviewed, serious books that they 47 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:50,240 would like to offer at a special discount for British audiences, and my book 48 00:04:50,319 --> 00:04:54,680 is on that list. We'll see if they go ahead and do that. 49 00:04:54,680 --> 00:05:00,480 That would be President Eisenhower's Close Encounters, about his February nineteenth, nineteen fifty 50 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:09,040 four secret meeting at Edward's Air Force Base with some friendly human like aliens. 51 00:05:09,759 --> 00:05:15,720 And in researching that book, I stumbled upon repeatedly this allegation that President Nixon, 52 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:23,360 nineteen years later to the day February nineteenth, nineteen seventy three, also 53 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:29,000 went to an air Force base under the cover of darkness and saw some extraterrestrial 54 00:05:29,079 --> 00:05:34,040 evidence. And in this case he took along his good friend, comic actor. 55 00:05:34,439 --> 00:05:38,759 But it's a great story and it makes for a really fun book, 56 00:05:39,199 --> 00:05:43,399 and I take it quite seriously. I really think it did happen that President 57 00:05:43,519 --> 00:05:47,800 Nixon took Jackie Gleason. They were together there that afternoon. It could be 58 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:53,839 proven on live national television in America. That night they went to an Air 59 00:05:53,879 --> 00:06:00,240 Force base south of Miami and saw the goods. So, Paul, with 60 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:05,040 your other book, President Eisenhoward's Close Encounter, an investigation into Eisenhower's secret agreement 61 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:11,240 with exterst rules. That was an incredible book because you really go into detail 62 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:18,079 about this meeting or so called meetings with these human like benevolent aliens, and 63 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,600 I was captivated, and it's something that sticks in your head, you know, 64 00:06:21,639 --> 00:06:26,839 when you get a good writer or good researcher who does their work and 65 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,360 like, that was an incredible book. But now with this new one, 66 00:06:30,399 --> 00:06:33,600 the Nixton Grease and Alien Encounter, an investigation at a Nixon's secret air based 67 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:38,879 meeting to view extraterestaurants, it has a slightly different take. And I want 68 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:43,560 to ask you so that your listeners will be able to understand, do you 69 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:49,480 suppose that this meeting or kind of like not so much as meeting but viewing 70 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:54,199 of extraterrestrials? I mean, what kind of things are we looking at here? 71 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,040 Are we looking at the classic grade, we're looking at humanoids? Or 72 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:02,600 what's the story behind this? In the Eisenhower Encounter that I wrote about, 73 00:07:02,639 --> 00:07:09,199 and I tried to cram as many facts and as many serious allegations as possible 74 00:07:09,399 --> 00:07:13,720 and sources and notations and such into my books, I'm sure you found that 75 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:18,720 it's not just flimsy nonsense that somebody made up. But it said that Eisenhower 76 00:07:18,839 --> 00:07:25,399 met with some human like beings from another world, that they set down on 77 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:30,680 an Air Force base in the Mohave Desert in California, and outstep these human 78 00:07:30,839 --> 00:07:36,360 like beings that one eyewitness said they look like humans, only a little different. 79 00:07:36,439 --> 00:07:43,360 They're not quite identical to us. Now, that was nineteen fifty four, 80 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:47,600 and possibly another meeting in fifty five. I've been reading lately since my 81 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:55,079 Eisenhower book came out, these stories that very serious scientists and cosmologists are speculating 82 00:07:55,279 --> 00:08:01,480 very intricately, and with facts that they are very likely other planet earths, 83 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:09,839 many possible thousands of them in the galaxy, producing life that will develop like 84 00:08:09,959 --> 00:08:15,399 human beings, and according to let's say, atmospheric conditions or the lack of 85 00:08:15,439 --> 00:08:20,879 pollution or bacteria, they might grow and evolve in slightly different forms than Homo 86 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,639 sapiens here on Earth. And I'm thinking that's exactly what the reports are from 87 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:31,439 the Eisenhoer encounter. A test pilot who was there described them, and then 88 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:35,879 a document came out in nineteen fifty four, just about five weeks after the 89 00:08:35,039 --> 00:08:41,720 encounter and described three different races that were coming to America. This would be 90 00:08:41,759 --> 00:08:46,200 the Army Special Operations Manual one one, and it described one of the races 91 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:50,960 as looking like humans, but not quite And I'm thinking that was probably a 92 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:58,120 description of the creatures that landed and spoke to Eisenhower in English. They were 93 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:03,200 said in this annual to be about five foot tall, fairly well muscled, 94 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:07,000 slightly different skin tone, and had only a little bit of fuzz at the 95 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,759 top of their heads, as opposed to we have like a you know, 96 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:16,559 thick mop of hair most folks. So they were definitely not the grays that 97 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:20,639 were described at Roswell and at Cape Gerarda, Missouri in nineteen forty one. 98 00:09:22,799 --> 00:09:28,360 If we can just sidetrack for a bit, Philip Corso was a US Army 99 00:09:28,919 --> 00:09:33,080 colonel who worked under President Eisenhower, and he said, yes, we are 100 00:09:33,159 --> 00:09:37,879 being visited. And the Roswell aliens were felt by scientific examination to have been 101 00:09:39,039 --> 00:09:43,919 kind of bio robots. They weren't living creatures quite like you and I. 102 00:09:43,519 --> 00:09:48,759 They were identical as if they had been created in a lab or punched out 103 00:09:48,759 --> 00:09:54,399 of a mold and a factory. Yeah, and that's why you could just 104 00:09:54,519 --> 00:09:56,679 leave them behind and not really care too much. In a crash, you 105 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:01,120 know, nobody came back for them because they're dime a dozen. Just go 106 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:07,159 back to the lab and buy some more. So the human being type creatures 107 00:10:07,159 --> 00:10:11,759 at the Eisenhower encounter were different in every way, but you know, they 108 00:10:11,799 --> 00:10:15,440 had a head and shoulders and arms and legs. I guess they're were some 109 00:10:15,519 --> 00:10:20,240 similarities. Now, what Jackie reported in nineteen seventy three to his wife when 110 00:10:20,279 --> 00:10:26,440 he got home was that these were little dwarfish creatures that he saw laid out 111 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:33,639 on four examining tables at Homestead Air Force Base south of Miami. This was 112 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:39,399 a really cutting edge, high tech, high security air force base near the 113 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:43,919 ocean, about ninety miles from communist Cuba. In those days, it would 114 00:10:43,919 --> 00:10:48,120 have been pretty sensitive stuff to go in there, But when your tour guide 115 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,679 is the President of the United States, you get to see the goods. 116 00:10:50,679 --> 00:11:00,480 He's Jackie's golfing buddy. So Jackie said that they had pointy ears and big 117 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:05,000 bug eyes. And I don't think he mentioned the skin tone. But if 118 00:11:05,159 --> 00:11:09,480 you're a UFO or ET fan, you might remember a case in nineteen fifty 119 00:11:09,519 --> 00:11:18,159 five of extraterrestrials that harassed the Sutton family of Kentucky Hopkinsville, Kentucky and they 120 00:11:18,159 --> 00:11:24,080 felt they were under siege. And the description matches exactly. These dwarfish like 121 00:11:24,159 --> 00:11:28,200 two two and a half feet tall at most aliens with the big point ears. 122 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,480 That's very interesting. And I think, you know, with regards to 123 00:11:31,519 --> 00:11:35,879 our understanding of the UFO phenomena on, you know, especially in terms of 124 00:11:35,919 --> 00:11:41,320 investigation, there is so much that eludes us. But what is beautiful about 125 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:46,120 your work is that you have actually gone in and highlighted not just you know, 126 00:11:46,279 --> 00:11:50,879 anyone from the public, but actually the presidents of the United States of 127 00:11:50,919 --> 00:11:56,600 America, Nixon and Eisenhower. And I think this is incredible. So from 128 00:11:56,639 --> 00:12:03,000 your viewpoint, and with can't see your work and I did see your ends. 129 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:07,159 Therefore one the bumshell before Roswell, you know the book that you wrote 130 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:13,519 about about that case there as well. I think where do you think, 131 00:12:13,639 --> 00:12:18,559 Paul, in your opinion in terms of presidency, where did you think this 132 00:12:18,639 --> 00:12:22,440 is going? I mean, you know, is it true that the presidents 133 00:12:22,519 --> 00:12:24,799 now the United States don't have as much clearance as what they used to do. 134 00:12:26,039 --> 00:12:33,679 That could be true when presidents Clinton Bush and Obama appear on talk shows 135 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:39,480 in America. They are asked this question that the media generally shies away from. 136 00:12:39,519 --> 00:12:41,039 But the talk show host will say, you know, are we being 137 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:45,799 visited or not? And they won't give a straight answer. They may say 138 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,200 something flippant or I can't tell you. It's a matter of national security. 139 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:54,080 So you know, their non answer is an answer. If there was nothing 140 00:12:54,159 --> 00:12:56,320 to any of this, they would easily brush it on and say we looked 141 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:00,399 into this, the military's into this, and there's nothing to it. But 142 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,399 they don't say that. They just won't give you a direct answer. So 143 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:11,840 I'm pretty sure presidents since Franklin Roosevelt in nineteen forty one have been informed to 144 00:13:11,039 --> 00:13:18,600 various degrees. I think if you have a president who has exhibited kind of 145 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:24,559 slightly impulsive or reckless behavior, I made some statements that they really should have 146 00:13:24,639 --> 00:13:31,399 kept to themselves, they're probably not briefed very much. Yeah, so I 147 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,639 would say Trump sometimes and Biden sometimes blurts things out. I'm not sure if 148 00:13:35,639 --> 00:13:41,559 they're told a whole lot compared to Reagan and Bush, Nixon and Eisenhower, 149 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:46,080 And as I point out in my book, maybe JFK and LBJ back in 150 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:52,000 the sixties were also briefed and took a somewhat active interest in this. It's 151 00:13:52,039 --> 00:13:56,720 an exciting topic, isn't. The leader of the free will probably needs to 152 00:13:56,759 --> 00:14:00,200 know as much as he can on this subject. I mean, you'll very 153 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,039 meticulous, Paul in terms of your research. I mean, do you or 154 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:09,559 have you found that very difficult when you're digging to find information through certain freedom 155 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:11,879 of information files or this type of thing. How did you go about this? 156 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:16,200 Because you know, I mean for myself many other people we stand back 157 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:20,600 and quite amazed by, you know, other authors such as yourself, that 158 00:14:20,679 --> 00:14:22,360 we're able to dig really deep. I mean, how did you do that? 159 00:14:24,639 --> 00:14:28,679 This is a tough subject because first, everyone from even the eyes the 160 00:14:28,799 --> 00:14:35,000 Nixon encounter in seventy three, they're almost all dead, and certainly the Eisenhower 161 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:39,159 encounter, everyone's long since dead. And they held very tightly their national security 162 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:43,399 oaths and didn't speak of these things publicly. Now they may have issued a 163 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:52,159 few comments in private. Nixon never spoke publicly. A biographer asked him about 164 00:14:52,279 --> 00:14:56,480 UFOs in his retirement, and he just raised his eyebrows a little and refused 165 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:00,000 to speak. And Nixon gave his opinion on everything, So once again, 166 00:15:00,159 --> 00:15:03,840 it's so frustrating. Another problem is, not only were people sworn to secrecy, 167 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:09,120 they wouldn't even tell their own children, and their children don't have much 168 00:15:09,159 --> 00:15:13,080 of a clue. And now, in cases as far back as the Cape 169 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,440 Gerardo story of nineteen forty one, even the children have passed away. I 170 00:15:16,519 --> 00:15:24,919 did get to speak to a member of President Nixon's advisors or aides, a 171 00:15:24,919 --> 00:15:28,759 man named Stephen Bull, and he was on that trip to Florida and with 172 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,799 Nixon around that time. Wouldn't tell me a whole lot, but he said, 173 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:39,440 I went with President Nixon to the Jackie Gleason golf tournament Monday, February 174 00:15:39,559 --> 00:15:43,840 nineteenth, nineteen seventy three. It was being televised. The media followed and 175 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:48,679 they put it all on camera. When Nixon landed in a helicopter, Jackie 176 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,519 Gleason, the comedian, came rolling up in a golf cart to meet him, 177 00:15:52,559 --> 00:15:56,480 and he's mister Bull told me, I thought for sure I was going 178 00:15:56,559 --> 00:16:02,080 to see Jackie Gleason, the world famous entertainer b decap live on camera and 179 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,840 got so close to that helicopter to greet Nixon. He was all excited. 180 00:16:06,159 --> 00:16:10,639 Fortunately Jackie was not a tall man, or his head might have been lopped 181 00:16:10,679 --> 00:16:15,279 off on National TV that day. But that was a vivid memory of his. 182 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,000 Now, Nixon would do some things in secret and not tell folks, 183 00:16:18,039 --> 00:16:23,320 and we found out years later that he did various things. Of One thing 184 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:29,919 I read recently is that he took a helicopter ride in the sixties to Vietnam 185 00:16:30,039 --> 00:16:33,919 to help negotiate the release of American soldiers being held captive there. And it 186 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,200 was a bold and daring mission, and he went by helicopter, and so 187 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:44,120 that kind of set the stage for the Nixon Glease, an alien encounter in 188 00:16:44,159 --> 00:16:48,399 which Jackie lived on this golf course with a helipad on the course right near 189 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:53,919 his home. So Nixon and his pilot landed there around noon on that Monday, 190 00:16:55,000 --> 00:17:00,399 February nineteenth, spoke with Jackie, spoke with the media, and joked 191 00:17:00,399 --> 00:17:03,079 about the golf tournament that was underway, and then he got back in his 192 00:17:03,839 --> 00:17:08,799 helicopter and took off. But that gave them a dry run, you know, 193 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:15,279 an example of how here's how to land with the proper coordinates at Jackie's 194 00:17:15,319 --> 00:17:19,880 house. So I believe Nixon sent back this chopper pilot and his helicopter that 195 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:25,400 night around a thirty to nine maybe nine thirty, picked up Jackie and flew 196 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:29,559 him directly to Homestead Air Force Base. And that's how they pulled this off. 197 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:37,000 There's this fantasy someone wrote that Nixon drove by himself, escaped all his 198 00:17:37,039 --> 00:17:41,319 secret Service guards and drove all the way across Miami in the dark, like 199 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:45,799 forty five miles to Gleeson's house and picked him up at his front door and 200 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:49,519 took him off. And that's just nonsense. Nixon loved his Marine Ie chopper, 201 00:17:51,079 --> 00:17:53,279 and Jackie would have just hopped right in in just a few minutes, 202 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:57,400 about a fifteen or twenty minute flight down to Homestead Air Force Base, where 203 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:03,720 he probably met Nixon. He told his wife, we were met by an 204 00:18:03,839 --> 00:18:08,680 armed guard that escorted us across the base to a secluded part of the base 205 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:12,680 where there was this laboratory, and even that had an armed guard at the 206 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:18,359 front. And Nixon let me in and let me look at what we were 207 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:23,240 holding on these examining tables in a kind of medical lab or even a morgue, 208 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:27,079 if you will. Now that's very interesting, Paul, because you know, 209 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:32,279 with in light of the new developments. And I'm sure, as you 210 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:37,880 know, there's been a lot of controversy surrounding you know, intelligence officer David 211 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:41,720 Grush, who has come forward to suggest that they, you know, these 212 00:18:41,799 --> 00:18:48,119 aliens, they and nonterrestrial vehicles are in the property of some kind of like 213 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:52,799 Cleanenestein Company or you know whatever. And this, I mean is something that 214 00:18:52,839 --> 00:18:56,880 we've all known for a very long time. All of us, I think 215 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:02,200 that's involved in research or euthology have always the suspicion that our own system has 216 00:19:02,279 --> 00:19:08,400 got and retrieved not only biological but perhaps even biological mechanical specimens along with their 217 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:15,079 crafts. I mean, this will give absolute strength to the reasons of why 218 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,559 there's a cover up in terms of like the you know, the public panicking, 219 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,359 or maybe there's another nefarious reason behind it. We don't know, but 220 00:19:22,599 --> 00:19:26,599 certainly I think it's fascinating. So in terms of Nixon and Gleeson, I 221 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,720 mean, when they went to go and view these you know, supposed alien 222 00:19:30,799 --> 00:19:33,599 bodies, because we have to be open to this, I believe it, 223 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:40,160 did they say anything about their thoughts. Jackie's wife said that Jackie came home 224 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:45,559 that night close to midnight and was ashen face and haggard and like trembling. 225 00:19:45,599 --> 00:19:48,519 He had been through something traumatic, and she said, what happened to you? 226 00:19:48,839 --> 00:19:53,119 Where have you been? And he told her nixtone took me to an 227 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:57,160 air base and showed me the proof. I got to see aliens at last. 228 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:02,480 Our governments got them, and he described what they looked like. And 229 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:06,400 she kept her mouth shut for about a year and then gave an interview and 230 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:10,880 mentioned this, and Jackie really blew up. He was really angry, and 231 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:14,960 that was the end of their marriage. Nine years later, she wrote an 232 00:20:15,079 --> 00:20:18,839 entire article for a tabloid and explained the whole story again, that Jackie was 233 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:26,039 so emotionally shaken. He really was so rattled that he had trouble eating and 234 00:20:26,079 --> 00:20:30,920 sleeping and drank and smoked a little more than usual in the time, perhaps 235 00:20:32,079 --> 00:20:38,079 days two weeks after this shocking event. She said, he really convinced me. 236 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:44,599 I believe he told me the truth because he was thundering about how the 237 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:48,079 government was covering this up. It really made him angry, and then his 238 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:52,920 mood would swing back to being giddy and excited over I'm the only civilian in 239 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:57,599 America that got to see this with the President of the United States. My 240 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:04,519 good buddy. You know, he made himself not sound like a big shot, 241 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,400 but it had to have been. You know, I got the exclusive 242 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:14,640 proof above all others in this country not involved with the military of the government. 243 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:19,799 And according to Beverly Gleason, she said, Jackie was sworn to sweet 244 00:21:19,839 --> 00:21:25,279 secrecy before he left the air base, so he promptly broke that oath just 245 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,599 one time and telling her the story. When he got home. He was 246 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:33,000 so slumped in his chair in the living room, she said, and his 247 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:37,039 face was all pale. And you know, you can't just act or make 248 00:21:37,079 --> 00:21:40,000 this up. If he was out with let's say, a woman, he 249 00:21:40,039 --> 00:21:45,480 would come up with some other explanations in this one, or out drinking with 250 00:21:45,599 --> 00:21:49,160 his friends. I mean that he would just tell her. But in a 251 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:55,160 legal case in America, there's something called an excited utterance, where you blurt 252 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,119 something out around the scene of a crime or the time of a crime, 253 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,960 and it can be used in court as you were all excited and you blurted 254 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,160 out the truth. Now, that's pretty close to what we have here what 255 00:22:04,279 --> 00:22:10,240 Jackie told his wife that night. He'd been wanting to see the evidence for 256 00:22:10,319 --> 00:22:15,599 decades and I'm sure he badgered Nixon until Nixon finally caved in and said, 257 00:22:15,079 --> 00:22:19,440 come on with me, and we'll go to this Air Force base and I'll 258 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:23,119 show you. At last, Jackie's birthday was coming up in like eight or 259 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:29,079 nine days. And what do you get for the man who has everything except 260 00:22:29,319 --> 00:22:37,759 this painful yearning and desire to see the hard proof of extraterrestrial visitation. So 261 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:41,440 it was the perfect birthday gift, I guess. Wow. Do you know? 262 00:22:41,559 --> 00:22:44,920 This is absolutely incredible, Paul? And I don't think many people would 263 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,480 really know about it unless it's brought through you, because I remembered some years 264 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:55,519 ago now about these rumors about Jackie Gleason, and you know, you see 265 00:22:55,559 --> 00:22:59,720 this in kind of like pieces of magazines or a little bit here all there, 266 00:23:00,319 --> 00:23:03,880 And when you pulled everything together, it makes absolute sense. And was 267 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:11,960 there any technology and was anything explained about you know, these particular entities that 268 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:15,000 Gleeson had seen under the promise of Nixon? I mean, was there any 269 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:19,759 technology that was viewed a total knot very good question. In my book, 270 00:23:19,839 --> 00:23:25,200 I discussed a couple of sources that made this claim. Now, anyone can 271 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:29,279 make up a story and put it on the Internet, but there was a 272 00:23:29,319 --> 00:23:33,920 website that had a follow up. They asked for comments on the Nixon Gleason 273 00:23:33,079 --> 00:23:41,160 encounter, and one person wrote in and said Nixon actually took Jackie Gleason across 274 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:45,640 the base to an Air Force base hangar where they normally had the jetplanes after 275 00:23:45,759 --> 00:23:52,440 he saw the bodies, and that Nixon showed him this silver disc, this 276 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,519 alien craft, and it was kind of alive and it had to be held 277 00:23:56,599 --> 00:24:00,200 down with cables. It was up in the air in this hangar. And 278 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:04,160 he said the hangar is visible from the highway that ran past the base. 279 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,640 And I'm thinking, where did this guy get this information? He sounded like 280 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:12,480 he was there. I've never heard this from anyone else, and I think 281 00:24:12,519 --> 00:24:18,599 it's a valid statement to bring up and ponder seriously, because who could have 282 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:23,559 come up with this story. Yeah, that Jackie did get to see a 283 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,839 craft. It was part of the tour that he wanted to see it and 284 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:33,319 he finally did. And that if he saw more than this, either his 285 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,359 ex wife did not reveal it or Jackie did not tell everything he saw that 286 00:24:37,559 --> 00:24:44,400 night to his wife when he got home. But she also gave another interview 287 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,240 in two thousand and three, and refused to retract the story or embellish it 288 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:52,279 or change it. She stuck with her guns and said, this is what 289 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,839 happened. Jackie told me this, and it's the truth. So you know, 290 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:02,599 it's difficult to stay that this is all a lie or it's a coincidence 291 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:07,119 that it's on the same day of the Eisenhower encounter. My thinking is that 292 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:12,200 if Eisenhower truly did establish a treaty with human like aliens on February nineteenth, 293 00:25:12,279 --> 00:25:18,480 nineteen fifty four, its anniversary needed maybe some upgrading or some changing, or 294 00:25:19,079 --> 00:25:23,079 just to sign off for another year. And Nixon had to be at that 295 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:32,279 Air Force base to conduct some sort of treaty advancement or alteration. And it's 296 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:37,279 not a coincidence that both of these cases were presidents working in the undercovered darkness 297 00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:41,640 and secrecy, went to an air Force base to attend to extraterrestrial matters. 298 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,839 Yes, and I think you know, Paul, a lot of people, 299 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:53,240 especially going back decades, there was always these rumors about Eisenhower's meeting with extraterrestrials, 300 00:25:53,559 --> 00:25:59,119 So why would Nixon and Gleason's account be any different from that? Because 301 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,680 you know, I'm there was a lot of confusion about how many exutressful species 302 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:08,440 that Eisenhower had seen and interacted with. And it did make me laugh in 303 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:14,400 the book when the extrastrestfuls were coming to visit the air base, and of 304 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,680 course most of them men were shooting. Yes, what a huh, I 305 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,359 mean, I know the Eisenhower case. Yeah, well, of course we 306 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:29,079 think somebody got busted in rank when he opened fire on visitors from another world 307 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:33,359 who meant no harm whatsoever, and probably a pre arranged meeting. The guy 308 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,559 didn't get the memo and he said, let's open fire on these bogies. 309 00:26:36,559 --> 00:26:41,039 They're invading our airspace. This was just before the Eisenhower encounter. And it's 310 00:26:41,079 --> 00:26:47,079 amazing that in that story, as you mentioned, our munition shells or artillery 311 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:52,160 had no effect whatsoever on these advanced craft that came down calmly and landed on 312 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:56,880 an airstrip in fifty four. So that does tell you not everyone is up 313 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,440 to date on what's going on. Are they? Then also you have to 314 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:06,799 take into consideration that the secrecy within the base was paramount, so they had 315 00:27:06,839 --> 00:27:08,920 to be very careful. When I say they, I mean the generals and 316 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:14,000 colonels and all the highest staff members had to make sure that this was kind 317 00:27:14,039 --> 00:27:17,319 of like condensed to a degree, even though they shut down the base. 318 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,200 So I guess the men were just doing what they were trained to do. 319 00:27:19,279 --> 00:27:22,759 And then of course I assume that they got a good telling off later on. 320 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,119 But it is fascinating. Now. The other thing is that you know, 321 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,279 we all know about Roswell, and I've always argued this case as well 322 00:27:30,319 --> 00:27:34,319 with regards to you know, if it was a secret mobile weather balloon that 323 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,839 had crashed, why did it take the army so long to discover it and 324 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:42,599 didn't know anything about it until of course mac Brezel came forward with the pieces 325 00:27:42,599 --> 00:27:47,880 to the local sheriff. But with this what's interesting is that there appears, 326 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:52,640 and you're right to be different species of extraterrestrials. We have the grays, 327 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,839 which are the most famous beings in the whole of your followed you, I 328 00:27:55,880 --> 00:28:00,319 mean so much so they'd be merchandised. And then you've got the humanoid version, 329 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,559 and then you have spoken about the beings that looked very much like the 330 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:11,279 Kelly hopkins Field beings. Now what's interesting is that in that case, with 331 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:18,960 the famous case Kelly Hopkinsville account. We know that the family were terrorized by 332 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:22,839 these beings that floated and glowed, didn't seem to communicate and seemed to harass 333 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,160 the family for a while. But there was a glowing object that was seen 334 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:33,759 or an object seen before this event transpired. So do you feel that perhaps 335 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:38,079 that the ones that Nixon and Gleason well more to do with Gleason that pur 336 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,799 viewed because nixonnew about it. Anyway, do you think they were one of 337 00:28:41,839 --> 00:28:45,839 the same. Is that what you assume here, Paul at all? We 338 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:52,359 can probably assume all we want. But the description is so similar it does 339 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,599 sound almost like an exact description of the same race. Beverly Gleason said Jackie 340 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:03,440 that night told her that what he saw looked like bodies that were about to 341 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,000 be embalmed or had been embalmed, and that he said, quote, there 342 00:29:07,079 --> 00:29:11,119 must have been an accident thereby, but he did not describe any injuries. 343 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:17,440 He described the bodies without saying, well, they were all mangled and twisted 344 00:29:17,519 --> 00:29:21,480 or bleeding or something like that. So they had been in a lab and 345 00:29:21,519 --> 00:29:25,519 carefully set out on four different tables, as if Nixon had this prepared for 346 00:29:25,599 --> 00:29:30,559 him when he came in by helicopter. It's interesting that they even used the 347 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:37,880 high security airbase. Nixon was known as King Richard of the Imperial Presidency back 348 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:44,240 in the seventies, and he won a grand re election landslide of record proportion 349 00:29:44,599 --> 00:29:48,920 that previous November. He was King of the Hill and he could do whatever 350 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,720 he wanted. Makes you wonder why he didn't have these bodies imported to his 351 00:29:52,839 --> 00:29:57,039 house in Kibiskain near Miami, where he was vacationing and had Jackie over there. 352 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:03,559 But it was a top security, guarded secret airbase or no, it 353 00:30:03,599 --> 00:30:06,759 was a well known air base, but it was a top secret project going 354 00:30:06,799 --> 00:30:11,279 on there. And even Nixon did not decide to transfer the bodies or technology 355 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,839 somehow to his house. Just and also, Paul, that you said that 356 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:21,839 the object or the craft itself seemed as though it was alive. Now, 357 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,559 this would be very interesting. Indeed, and I remembered many long years ago, 358 00:30:26,039 --> 00:30:32,359 and I mean a long time ago, there was an author called Anne 359 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:37,759 McCaffrey, and she wrote a book about this alien world and the ships were 360 00:30:37,839 --> 00:30:42,920 actually organic. And I'm not saying that she was in any way connected with 361 00:30:44,039 --> 00:30:47,480 your apology, but this takes a slightly different stance to it. Doesn't it 362 00:30:47,559 --> 00:30:51,480 some kind of living organism? I mean, that's quite fascinating, isn't it. 363 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:56,079 It sure is. I don't know if Jackie saw anything more, but 364 00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:00,519 I kind of suspect he did, from his ashen face, his trembling appearance, 365 00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:06,599 that maybe he saw even more than four dead bodies and a live craft. 366 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,920 If there was a live craft, were there any live beings there that 367 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:15,680 he thought even I can't tell my wife this, but he was a high 368 00:31:15,759 --> 00:31:21,920 ranking Freemason. He was used to juicy secrets and being given access to various 369 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:26,880 things in America that other people would not have access to. He's friends with 370 00:31:26,039 --> 00:31:32,359 President Nixon, the most powerful man on earth, the president of the United 371 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:38,359 States for some four years. Previously, Gleeson was so obsessed with aliens that 372 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:45,720 in the fifties he built his own round UFO house in upstate New York, 373 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,400 just outside New York City. They called it Jackie's UFO House, and according 374 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,000 to visitors, and you can see pictures of it, it had huge bay 375 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:59,319 windows and it overlooked a bluff down below, like you're riding in a spaceship. 376 00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:05,319 Everything in the house was circular. Jackie outfitted it with powerful telescopes for 377 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:10,119 scanning the skies. He had a Nikolai Tesla coil, which some people feel 378 00:32:10,279 --> 00:32:16,519 was for contacting aliens in the late eighteen eighties and nineties. He also collected 379 00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:23,759 a massive amount, like more than twenty five or thirty Ham radios and he's 380 00:32:23,839 --> 00:32:28,640 listening in. You got to believe Jackie was so obsessed with UFOs he was 381 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:35,640 trying to make contact maybe of him with himself. So his family all noted 382 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,319 this, and no one seemed to think much of it. The public didn't 383 00:32:37,319 --> 00:32:42,880 know much of this. While he was alive, he collected over one thousand, 384 00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:46,880 seven hundred books on the paranormal, heavy on UFOs, and the books 385 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:52,200 are in the University of Miami's library where you can go to a glease and 386 00:32:52,279 --> 00:32:57,640 reading room and look them over and see. Jackie's interest in UFOs was an 387 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:02,440 absolute passion, and maybe he triggered him into building his own spaceship house. 388 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,599 That leads us, yeah to another famous comedian that might be involved in our 389 00:33:09,759 --> 00:33:15,920 nineteen seventy three story. Who might that people? You've got to tell us, 390 00:33:16,279 --> 00:33:22,400 alrighty, I got your interest. We all know of British born Bob 391 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:27,640 Hope. Oh yeah, he was Nixon's presidential records, and I went over 392 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:34,920 them and they digitized Presidential Library records showing Nixon calling Bob Hope before he left 393 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,559 from Miami, making sure Bob Hope was going to be there. Bob Hope 394 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:43,640 was there at the golf tournament that Jackie was putting on for celebrities and pro 395 00:33:43,799 --> 00:33:49,200 golfers in America. In fact, he and Jackie always partnered together. So 396 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:53,759 Bob was right there watching his friend and supporter or supportive of President Nixon, 397 00:33:54,559 --> 00:34:01,160 and was around that night. No, I have no hardproof whatsoever that Bob 398 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:07,480 Hope also went to Homestead Air Force Base. But Bob went home and designed 399 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,559 his own UFO house. You can see it to this day in Palm Springs, 400 00:34:10,599 --> 00:34:15,320 California. In the weeks and months after, he had a custom design 401 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:21,320 circular spaceship type home built on the edge of a little bluff in Palm Springs, 402 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:28,039 California. What would cause Bob Hope to desire what Jackie wanted and built 403 00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:34,360 like a million bucks for a spaceship type house. Yeah, Nixon needed money 404 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,280 to pay off his Watergate burglars. He needed hush money badly, and in 405 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:43,800 the Watergate tapes. He bugged his own White house. He was anguished about 406 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,840 how am I going to raise this money in the weeks leading up to the 407 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:52,960 Jackie Gleason encounter at the air Force base. In the weeks after, Nixon 408 00:34:53,079 --> 00:34:55,360 was all calm and say, yeah, I know where we can get that 409 00:34:55,519 --> 00:35:00,000 or we've got that money. It's not a problem raising at least a million 410 00:35:00,119 --> 00:35:04,960 dollars of hush money. So Bob Hope and Jackie Gleeson were good friends, 411 00:35:05,039 --> 00:35:10,239 Republican supporters of President Nixon, and were vastly wealthy. They're like the richest 412 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,599 men in show business, the two of them. They made movies, record 413 00:35:14,599 --> 00:35:20,000 albums, TV shows, stand up appearances on the radio. They were paid 414 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,559 a fortune. At one point, Jackie was making fourteen million a year. 415 00:35:23,039 --> 00:35:27,199 In the days when that was a huge, huge amount, we would say 416 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:31,719 that would be like nearly one hundred million today. Wow. So why would 417 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:37,559 Bob Hope built a spaceship home in the weeks and months after he got back 418 00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:44,119 from this trip to Miami. Yeah. One of Gleeson's first guests when he 419 00:35:44,159 --> 00:35:49,760 finished his spaceship house in Peakskill, New York, was Richard Nixon. His 420 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,039 good golfing buddy back then. So that's when Nixon was vice president to Dwight 421 00:35:54,079 --> 00:35:59,840 Eisenhower. So these pieces all kind of come together, if you know, 422 00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:06,440 a little circumstantially. But we can speculate reasonably that either Jackie told Bob Hope 423 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,679 all about it, or that Bob contributed some money to Nixon slush behind there 424 00:36:12,119 --> 00:36:16,920 to hush up as Watergate burglars and went along also. So if that happened, 425 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:21,639 I don't know for sure, but I suspect, well, let's just 426 00:36:21,679 --> 00:36:27,760 put it this way, Paul, for someone to actually spend a vast amount 427 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,920 of money to have property built in the shape of UFO must be saying something. 428 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:36,559 I mean, you know, because when certain individuals are touched by this 429 00:36:36,639 --> 00:36:39,599 singularity, it does change you. I think we all feel that on a 430 00:36:39,639 --> 00:36:43,599 deeper level. And certainly, if I have money, I mean, I 431 00:36:43,639 --> 00:36:46,880 certainly won't be living in a UFO house, but I would spend a lot 432 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:52,320 of money on other equipment and things that I could perhaps use an experiment with. 433 00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:54,880 But I just find this so fascinating, and I think that you know, 434 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:59,760 your work itself is so in depth, and I love the way that 435 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:06,800 you you you really go in to that research, certainly with regards to Eisenhower 436 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:13,639 and now the Nixon and Gleeson Alien encounter. So I want to ask your 437 00:37:13,679 --> 00:37:16,840 thoughts here, Paul. I mean with regards to your your interest in the 438 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:21,079 past, which is very, very important because a lot of that has been 439 00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:22,639 secreted. And back in the day, it was a very different day, 440 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,199 wasn't it, because it was like the Men's club, you know, they 441 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:29,599 trusted one another. It's not like today with everythings tied up in real red 442 00:37:29,679 --> 00:37:31,480 tape. You could you could, you could, I think, get away 443 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,639 with a little bit more back then if you were in the right place at 444 00:37:35,679 --> 00:37:38,280 the right time, with the right people. But what is your opinion now 445 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:42,119 about what's going on at the Pentagon? Because I have to ask you. 446 00:37:42,199 --> 00:37:45,320 I'm surely you've been following this in your great country. I mean, what's 447 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:50,519 your opinion about, you know, David Grush, And with regards to him 448 00:37:50,559 --> 00:37:54,480 being an intelligence officer and also starting to come out with this information, what's 449 00:37:54,559 --> 00:38:00,280 your thoughts on this ball? Well? I was initially quite excited, and 450 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,199 it's been a bit tempered for a couple of reasons, not completely squashed. 451 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:10,159 But David Grush has excellent, excellent background and credentials. He's been most trusted 452 00:38:10,159 --> 00:38:16,880 by our American military and in the government. But he says he talked to 453 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:21,400 people who told him this, and they asked him, did you see any 454 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,360 alien bodies? Well? No, did you see an alien craft? No? 455 00:38:23,559 --> 00:38:29,079 But I've talked to many people who corroborate the same story over and over. 456 00:38:29,199 --> 00:38:31,920 We've got the bodies, we're examining them, we've got the hardware. 457 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:37,599 We're trying to reverse engineer, if not apply them in defense projects which are 458 00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:40,480 top secret, and that kind of comes up the works. So I was 459 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:45,440 initially excited because Grush is telling you two things that I've been writing about. 460 00:38:45,559 --> 00:38:49,599 Number one, yea, we have crashes and bodies. And number two, 461 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:54,960 there's been contact made by high ranking members of the government aka the President, 462 00:38:55,519 --> 00:39:00,840 that we have been in contact. So he confirmed those two that all of 463 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:05,760 my books have been about. But he doesn't produce. Mister Grush did not 464 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:10,159 produce a copy of a report, a photograph, or some film footage. 465 00:39:10,199 --> 00:39:14,960 I would like to see some hard evidence. He says he's restricted by what 466 00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:22,519 he can talk about due to Pentagon security classifications and such, and we probably 467 00:39:22,519 --> 00:39:25,599 should be grateful for all that he has said, and a few other witnesses, 468 00:39:25,639 --> 00:39:30,920 because it's been quiet since, and I wonder if the government is now 469 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:35,199 going to clamp down on this. It's fascinating, as you point out, 470 00:39:35,559 --> 00:39:38,519 I'd like to see more. We all sure would, but the world didn't 471 00:39:38,519 --> 00:39:42,880 come to a screeching halt. You know, everyone handled it pretty well, 472 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,719 didn't they when it reveals Yeah, I mean, I believe the guy, 473 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,639 and I'm just going to say that because you know, he's got nothing to 474 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,639 lose, and I feel really, you know, kind of like sorry for 475 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:58,880 him because you can see within the way that he addresses the issues of the 476 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:07,280 so much passion. And I was very honored also to have heard from Ross 477 00:40:07,679 --> 00:40:13,079 coultheart briefly, and he was more interested in the adduction phenomena as well. 478 00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:15,960 So I think what they're doing is absolutely amazing. But I do agree with 479 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,480 you, Paul, with what you know and the contexts that you have and 480 00:40:19,519 --> 00:40:22,360 the research that you've done, I pretty much suspect that they're going to put 481 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,000 a damper on this and they're going to cover it over as they have done 482 00:40:25,079 --> 00:40:29,480 many times before. But I want to ask you, Paul, where do 483 00:40:29,519 --> 00:40:37,599 you think that such organizations are holding this biological matter and hardware non terrestrial hardware. 484 00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:38,719 Where do you think all of this stuff is. Do you think it's 485 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:43,599 one company, one private company, or do you think there's a several of 486 00:40:43,639 --> 00:40:50,199 them. So many stories point to it initially being held and examined with a 487 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:55,360 very very advanced metallurgical laboratory at Wright Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio, and 488 00:40:55,440 --> 00:41:00,639 I feel that is the starting point. And as you say, that probably 489 00:41:00,679 --> 00:41:07,519 bring in major corporations and researchers, engineers first working to examine the maybe on 490 00:41:07,559 --> 00:41:12,320 a kind of test basis, to see if these men can be trusted and 491 00:41:12,639 --> 00:41:15,639 maybe women too, and not open their mouths and tell anyone and sign all 492 00:41:15,679 --> 00:41:21,920 these security oaths that they are great penalties for speaking up once they're trusted, 493 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,760 I think the information is taken back to major corporations, and that's certainly what 494 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:31,519 Philip Corso said when they got a hold of the Roswell information and his tell 495 00:41:31,559 --> 00:41:37,519 All book of nineteen ninety seven the day after Roswell, that the technology was 496 00:41:37,639 --> 00:41:47,519 integrated into major American corporations to advance products and projects such as infrared or night 497 00:41:47,639 --> 00:41:53,280 vision technology where you can see in the dark, and supposedly that's where we 498 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:59,280 got it from the crash recovery at Roswell. So it's a little tough because 499 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,519 all of this is still so shrouded in secrecy. It's still so very tough 500 00:42:02,599 --> 00:42:10,960 to find clear answers on how the American military has integrated this into major corporations 501 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:15,719 because there's still a great deal of secrecy involved. So many of the projects 502 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:21,039 have to do with defence and weapons, and that's top secret stuff. For 503 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:31,440 America's advantage to use as a weaponization of extraterrestrial hardware may seem a little outrageous, 504 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:36,559 but America has to protect its interests in the world and we want to 505 00:42:36,599 --> 00:42:39,639 stay one step ahead of the communist nations. Blah blah blah. But it 506 00:42:39,679 --> 00:42:45,199 may well be true that this stuff is happening, as Philip Corso suggested, 507 00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:49,760 and that we are getting more civilian products now out of this. I wish 508 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,840 we knew more, wish we had more whistleblowers, but they are under such 509 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:58,159 pressure to keep their mouth shut. Imagine speaking up and losing your job, 510 00:42:58,599 --> 00:43:02,000 your pension, health care, and having your life threatened when you go out, 511 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:06,280 you know, maybe just to go shopping or something that you could be 512 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:10,480 harassed or maybe even killed. Some years ago there were a number of like 513 00:43:10,639 --> 00:43:15,440 NASA scientists I think it was, who started turning up dead, and one 514 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:21,880 of them was they found as corpse stuffed in a tree like they left it 515 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,239 out in public as a little message for those who might talk. It's frightening 516 00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:28,760 what the government might do to you more than what an alien might do to 517 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,119 you. Yes, and talking about that, that is quite horrific. Sorry, 518 00:43:32,159 --> 00:43:36,920 Paul, I didn't know that. But with regards to the poor scientists, 519 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:42,639 and of course we do know that people going missing and the like was 520 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,960 flavor back then, but now they can use psychological tactics and dirty tactics on 521 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:51,519 you now. But I dares say that if someone was going too farther, 522 00:43:51,559 --> 00:43:55,239 perhaps they'd have to initiate some form of execution there, and which isn't very 523 00:43:55,280 --> 00:44:00,880 pleasant. And talking about the you know, benign and negative I mean in 524 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:06,440 your opinion, because I know that you've written quite a lot about the good 525 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,840 eaties that wants to come to Earth and kind of like help and share, 526 00:44:10,599 --> 00:44:15,519 you know, as long as we get rid of the nuclear weaponry that we 527 00:44:15,639 --> 00:44:20,159 have. But do you also believe that there are nefarious beings as well? 528 00:44:20,199 --> 00:44:23,880 Too, as opposed to the good ones. Paul, this is a dark 529 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:30,320 subject and it's not one of my favorites, but I admit it's probably true 530 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,079 that this is one of the reasons the government is keeping this secret. That 531 00:44:34,199 --> 00:44:37,960 a small number of races that come here are either cold hearted and don't care 532 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:43,719 about us, or have some sort of hostile or aggressive manner to them, 533 00:44:44,599 --> 00:44:50,559 the so called scary reptilians or some other type creature that might abduct you, 534 00:44:50,679 --> 00:44:54,599 look you over and put you back, or the cases most unfortunate and unpleasant 535 00:44:54,639 --> 00:45:00,480 of cattle mutilations, Yes, and just throwing the carcasses back down on the 536 00:45:00,519 --> 00:45:04,679 ground. They have to know we're going to be finding these and eventually piecing 537 00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:13,400 together why there are surgical marks and organs removed from these cattle after people saw 538 00:45:13,519 --> 00:45:17,119 lights in the sky or some sort of UFO in that vicinity. It's tough 539 00:45:17,159 --> 00:45:22,719 to come to any other conclusion that there are some races coming here that want 540 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:27,519 biological specimens of plants and animals and they don't care who they hurt to get 541 00:45:27,519 --> 00:45:31,199 it. Hopefully they're not doing that to human beings, that they're not slaughtering 542 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:36,880 us in any way. They certainly have not invaded. It would be really 543 00:45:37,079 --> 00:45:42,719 foolish to try, since everyone in America seems to be armed and hostile or 544 00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:49,199 at least on edge, and we are unearthing bacteria, virus germs, starting 545 00:45:49,559 --> 00:45:52,199 pandemics, you know, And it would be foolish for aliens to have much 546 00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:58,000 contact with humans now unless you want to get sick, like in the War 547 00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,920 of the Worlds when an alien force invaded in the HG. Wells movie and 548 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:08,880 they were brought down by our bacteria and germs. So we're destroying the environment. 549 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:13,960 We're looting the planet, so to speak, and taking all of its 550 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,880 resources. So there's not much left for any visiting aliens to get a hold 551 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:23,840 of here. I think they're largely staying at arm's length and not making contact, 552 00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:28,000 which is what Eisenhower asked them to do. If you have to come 553 00:46:28,039 --> 00:46:31,639 here, don't land and set down in front of people and try to talk 554 00:46:31,679 --> 00:46:36,800 to them. It could start a panic. I think the American government since 555 00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:42,320 the time of Roosevelt, and certainly Truman and Eisenhower, have in the back 556 00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:46,440 of their minds the stock market crash of nineteen twenty nine and how one little 557 00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:52,119 panic can set off a huge domino effect that would cripple America's economy and the 558 00:46:52,320 --> 00:47:00,199 global economy so dependent on American trade and our stock market. So when we 559 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:08,239 consider the nineteen thirty seven thirty eight Orson Wells production of HD Wells book The 560 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:13,400 War of the Worlds and how some people did panic, I think governments have 561 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,719 been noting that ever since, in the decades past, and thinking, oh, 562 00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:21,000 we don't want to set off a panic and have people quitting their jobs, 563 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:28,360 their school, their religion and following alien visitors like they were gods when 564 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:32,400 they too are imperfect and have accidents or make mistakes. Yes, I agree 565 00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:37,719 with you, and like some ET's gone, Dad, I agree with you. 566 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:42,440 But where do you, also, Paul, think they are coming from? 567 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,039 Because we have a number of species, And of course I remembered years 568 00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:52,840 ago when this had started coming forward from certain individuals who had claimed to have 569 00:47:52,880 --> 00:48:01,440 been involved in certain UFO recovery operations salvage UFO materials in the bodies, these 570 00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:06,239 secret operations that the military were to perform. I mean, you know, 571 00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,880 are they all coming from space or do you also sway perhaps to be interdimensional 572 00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:15,440 hypothesis? What's your thoughts on that? As a researcher. I believe from 573 00:48:15,519 --> 00:48:21,360 all I've read that we have to consider seriously those two factors from another dimension 574 00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:28,480 and can travel interdimensionally, possibly within the blink of an eye through maybe teleportation. 575 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:34,960 They might be coming here in ships that utilize stargates and can be here 576 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:43,719 in seconds or time portals, wormholes in space. There's probably a variety of 577 00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,840 methods to come here and not take hundreds of light years, you know, 578 00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:52,760 like you fall asleep and you're in hibernation for like one hundred years to your 579 00:48:52,800 --> 00:49:00,239 craft meets its goal of going to another planet in this physical cosmo. So 580 00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:06,840 I think these are advanced aliens and that we don't have a firm grasp on 581 00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:13,280 everything that we capture and recover for examination. And that's why they haven't gone 582 00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,679 more mainstream or not more open about it. It's because they don't want to 583 00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:20,960 worry people. It's still kind of over our heads. We can't synthesize these 584 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,960 metals that come from another planet and create these stainless steel looking, smooth, 585 00:49:27,079 --> 00:49:31,840 seamless craft that don't have rivets or bolts. So we're still trying to put 586 00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:36,760 it all together and figure out how do they travel here and what planet, 587 00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:42,960 in the physical cosmos or in another dimension? Could they be from? Yeah, 588 00:49:43,039 --> 00:49:45,400 I think it's amazing. I think, you know, the thought of 589 00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:50,440 that part is absolutely wonderful. And you know, when you read your books 590 00:49:50,519 --> 00:49:53,480 you can see the passion of the drive. And of course you've gone to 591 00:49:53,519 --> 00:49:58,199 the top. We have to laugh here because you haven't gone just anywhere. 592 00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,840 You've gone to the presence of the the United States of America. And I 593 00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:07,320 go back to the moment when you know Jackie Gleeson was ashen faced and of 594 00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:13,559 course then built this house with in the shape of the UFO and all of 595 00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:17,559 his material. This must have affected him to the point where he was absolute 596 00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:22,880 well, he was totally shocked, but not given enough information of how it's 597 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,840 done, like in terms of communication or that type of thing. So I 598 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:30,480 kind of understand that. And of course these are just a few of the 599 00:50:30,599 --> 00:50:36,719 people within the past in terms of the presidency. I mean, you know, 600 00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,559 who knows how many others had been or had access to this information. 601 00:50:40,679 --> 00:50:44,880 You know, it makes you think, doesn't it, Paul? That's right. 602 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:50,239 There was an author in the fifties who talked about using Ham radios to 603 00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:54,840 contact alien raises. His name was George Hunt Williamson, and he wrote books, 604 00:50:55,239 --> 00:51:00,280 and sure enough I looked it up cross checking Jackie's personal library at the 605 00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:05,400 University of Miami. Now after his death, he's got books by George Hunt 606 00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:09,320 Williamson. So we can piece together why Jackie would go out and buy of 607 00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:14,679 the thirty ham radios. He put him in an upstairs bedroom in his home 608 00:51:15,079 --> 00:51:20,599 and spent so much time. Jackie was so passionate, even nuts about UFOs. 609 00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,440 He would even call into a New York City radio station late at night 610 00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:29,119 because Jackie had insomnia, the long John Nebell Show. You can even hear 611 00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:34,719 some of their recorded interviews. The audio is pretty poor on YouTube or other 612 00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,800 sources, and he would talk about some cases, and to Jackie's credit, 613 00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:43,039 he didn't believe every story he heard. He was skeptical about some of these 614 00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:46,079 cases, but this was how nutsy. He would stay up reading about them. 615 00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:51,000 Then he would call up the authors and quiz them intently. Then he 616 00:51:51,039 --> 00:51:53,800 would call up the people that were in the books that had UFO sightings. 617 00:51:53,960 --> 00:52:00,239 Jackie would call up the experiencers, if you will, and with them to 618 00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:05,280 know every last detail. He was so passionate about it. And that's how 619 00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,119 I think he must have been badgering Nixon for years, at least a decade 620 00:52:08,159 --> 00:52:14,960 before Nixon finally said okay, already here you go. Happy birth. That 621 00:52:15,119 --> 00:52:19,039 is that would make absolute sense completely. I mean, if you are at 622 00:52:19,079 --> 00:52:22,159 the top and you're linked with the top, then of course you know that. 623 00:52:22,599 --> 00:52:24,679 You know in the old days, days of old you know it's the 624 00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:28,119 same, isn't it. If you get to know someone their character, their 625 00:52:28,159 --> 00:52:30,519 personality, you trust them and you love them as well as a friend, 626 00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:34,440 and you're going to say, okay, come along, let's go and meet 627 00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:39,840 the aliens. And I think that is amazing. So you know Gleeson's experience. 628 00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:45,079 Certainly you have brought fourth in your amazing book, your new book, 629 00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:50,280 and really does put the pieces together, because you know what it's like, 630 00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,480 Paul, when you hear bits and pieces in the press of the media, 631 00:52:53,639 --> 00:52:58,000 and there's not a lot about it. It just cuts off at certain points. 632 00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,760 But in your book, Nixon, Grease and Alien Encounter, you actually 633 00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:08,079 go into detail. I have read it in terms of exploring the how you're 634 00:53:08,119 --> 00:53:12,320 putting it all together, and you know, to me and many other people, 635 00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:16,239 it makes absolute sense. Especially I was excited to read President Eisenhower's close 636 00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:23,320 Encounter, and that book as well was absolutely incredible because again we were confused 637 00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:28,920 about what aliens he'd seen or where this was. You know, again, 638 00:53:29,039 --> 00:53:30,719 we have to be honest, and you know most people aren't, but we 639 00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:35,159 are. You get bits and pieces and you're not sure how to piece it 640 00:53:35,199 --> 00:53:37,480 all together. So you have to be admired for the way that you have 641 00:53:37,559 --> 00:53:44,159 put it together like a puzzle, strung it together and formed your very clever 642 00:53:44,559 --> 00:53:47,320 and detailed conclusions. Because what is lovely about your work, Paul, is 643 00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:52,159 that you're You're very to the point, you're very factual in terms of what 644 00:53:52,199 --> 00:53:55,280 you're talking about, and that is wonderful. You're not biased in any way. 645 00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,199 So I've got another question for you before we you know, we run 646 00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,880 to the end of the show. I mean, because it's gone so quick, 647 00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:07,519 isn't it. Do you think there will come a point I'm going back. 648 00:54:07,559 --> 00:54:10,280 I agree with you, Paul, that we have you know, we're 649 00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:15,719 basically raping this planet, We're destroying the environment, and of course, if 650 00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:20,639 we're really honest, a lot of humans aren't really good humans. People want 651 00:54:20,639 --> 00:54:23,159 to you know, half tooths or lies, and we're very, very diplomatic 652 00:54:23,199 --> 00:54:29,320 about this. Do you think there will be some kind of intervention on a 653 00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:34,199 major scale with these or certain extraterrestrials the good guys to come and try and 654 00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,000 sort things out for us, because we're in such a mess at the moment. 655 00:54:37,039 --> 00:54:39,920 What's your thoughts on that? What do you think are yourself? Paul, 656 00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,639 That's a good question. I get asked that, and I don't have 657 00:54:45,679 --> 00:54:50,039 a definite answer because I'm not a spokesperson for every alien race out there. 658 00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,360 But I would think that there are some who were passionate enough to land and 659 00:54:53,400 --> 00:55:00,320 speak to Eisenhower about our atomic weapons detonations and how we're polluting the land, 660 00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:04,360 to see the air and into outer space. So I've got to believe that 661 00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:08,199 if let's say, the Russians or the Koreans or the Chinese decide to pull 662 00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:15,840 out nuclear weapons and seriously use them, I'm hopeful that if we Americans and 663 00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:21,360 British and the Allies cannot stop them, that some friendly, powerful aliens will 664 00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:25,159 put an end to this. I don't know. I've read where there's a 665 00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:31,480 differing opinion among people who've had contact that think that some races would do nothing, 666 00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:36,679 that they're here just to observe and if you get into a further mess, 667 00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,280 that's our business. And then there's others that feel that we are being 668 00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:44,639 visited by rather benign and helpful ones and they're going to do everything they can 669 00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,559 to keep us from destroying our world, and that's the best way to do 670 00:55:47,639 --> 00:55:53,440 it through atomic weapons. So it's a question I can't get a clear answer 671 00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:59,599 to. I wish I knew. A couple of different sources I've read about 672 00:56:00,119 --> 00:56:04,639 say there's at least a dozen races coming here, and so like you say, 673 00:56:04,679 --> 00:56:07,960 there's various types of human beings, some friendly and warm and kind, 674 00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:15,159 others kind of dull and quiet, and others just opportunistic Celsia Paz who will 675 00:56:15,199 --> 00:56:19,480 lie, cheat and steal to get whatever they want. And you've got to 676 00:56:19,519 --> 00:56:22,719 hope that aliens are not the same way, with vastly different personalities. That 677 00:56:23,559 --> 00:56:28,880 so far, we haven't been attacked, we haven't been invaded, and I 678 00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:35,119 don't think we're going to be. But in the Nixon and Eisenhower cases, 679 00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:39,199 things were brought off smoothly, quietly. Yes, there were armed guards present, 680 00:56:39,559 --> 00:56:43,719 but I think that gives you an indication that if they wanted to attack 681 00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,480 the leader of the free world, or attack America. You would start by 682 00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:51,400 lopping off the head of the dog, so to speak. You would go 683 00:56:51,599 --> 00:56:54,440 after the president and eliminate him. And of course that did not happen, 684 00:56:54,599 --> 00:56:59,840 And that's got to be a good sign for any American president who takes office. 685 00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:04,320 Of my predecessors had been murdered by aliens. Well maybe I won't be 686 00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,679 either. Yeah. Well, you know, I always have great hope that 687 00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:12,000 something like that happened. And of course we have to look at the spiritual 688 00:57:12,039 --> 00:57:15,840 element as well, even as the human the model of the human. We 689 00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:21,199 don't know enough about ourselves, our genesis in order to answer those deeper questions 690 00:57:21,239 --> 00:57:23,760 that are looking for. But you know, Paul, I've got to say 691 00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:30,039 it has been an intellectual treat to speak to you again about your new book, 692 00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:35,360 The Nixon Gleason Alien Encounter and Investigation into Nixon's secret air Base meeting to 693 00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,960 view Exteterrestrials. This, ladies and gentlemen, is Paul's new book. You 694 00:57:39,079 --> 00:57:42,559 must go out and buy it, because this other one as well. What 695 00:57:42,599 --> 00:57:46,559 all those books are breeing But President Eisenhower's close Encounter and Investigation into Eisenhower's secret 696 00:57:46,559 --> 00:57:51,119 Agreement with extrater restaurants. I love the way that the new book ties in 697 00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,400 with your previous book. It come like almost like flows forward, you see. 698 00:57:54,599 --> 00:57:59,639 So I'm going to ask here, Paul, are you working on a 699 00:57:59,679 --> 00:58:05,480 new book at all? I am. Not only is that revamped Cape Girardo 700 00:58:05,519 --> 00:58:08,239 book coming out this fall and in hardback, my first in hardback, but 701 00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:14,039 I'm also working on Ronald Reagan's close Encounters. He apparently saw one or two, 702 00:58:14,599 --> 00:58:20,239 possibly even three UFOs in his time, and it's another fascinating tale. 703 00:58:20,639 --> 00:58:23,039 I don't have a document to put in the appendix in the back of the 704 00:58:23,079 --> 00:58:28,519 book like I do my Eisenhower and Nixon books, but it'll take me a 705 00:58:28,559 --> 00:58:31,400 while to get this all put together. The problem for me is that many 706 00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:37,000 of these stories about mister Reagan have been reproduced on the Internet or mentioned in 707 00:58:37,039 --> 00:58:44,920 book form. I'd like to find something shocking and new and to help put 708 00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:51,280 it all together to make a kind of trilogy. The three Republican presidents Eisenhower, 709 00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,639 Nixon, and Reagan. And Nixon had a pretty good influence on Reagan, 710 00:58:53,679 --> 00:59:00,679 I'm surprised to find as I read more biographies. So it's utterly fascinating 711 00:59:00,719 --> 00:59:05,840 as you mentioned the US president and aliens. How does it get more exciting 712 00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:10,760 than this. We've had some contact with some TV movie type people, but 713 00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:16,559 everything is all bottled up due to this Writer's Guild and Actors Guild strike and 714 00:59:16,599 --> 00:59:22,559 people honoring the strike, and showbiz is at almost a standstill here and I 715 00:59:22,599 --> 00:59:28,039 don't know if it's having repercussions in England, but it's making a mess out 716 00:59:28,039 --> 00:59:30,960 of all kinds of productions that people wanted to go forward with. So I 717 00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:38,039 can't give you any good news from that standpoint of my recent research being turned 718 00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:45,159 into a Hollywood production. Well, let's hope it is made into a Hollywood 719 00:59:45,199 --> 00:59:46,960 film. Paul, you deserve for the work you've done. And yes, 720 00:59:47,039 --> 00:59:52,239 I do recall and remember a number of occasions with Ronald Reagan. President Ronald 721 00:59:52,239 --> 00:59:57,840 Reagan when he viewed a UFO and his jet along with Nancy I think was 722 00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:01,239 his wife. Nancy was there with him view this UFO while they were traveling 723 01:00:02,639 --> 01:00:07,800 in an aircraft, and also of his speech that he made which was very 724 01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:12,400 controversial. We understand the differences if we weren't known that we're under threat of 725 01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:16,360 an actrestful species or something of that kind. But thank you so much, 726 01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:21,000 Paul for your time. It's been wonderful to have you on our show yet 727 01:00:21,039 --> 01:00:24,920 again. And please tell your audience about your book and about how they can 728 01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:30,360 get hold of you. My Eisenhower book came out from Foundations, but you 729 01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:35,840 can find it on Amazon as well as the new Nixon book. The Eisenhower 730 01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:39,239 book also was turned into an audio book. It's an excellent read or all 731 01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:44,760 you have to do is put on headphones and listen. It's from Tantor dot 732 01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:50,199 com and they are now currently working on turning my Nixon book into an audiobook, 733 01:00:50,559 --> 01:00:55,400 so look for those from Amazon and anything I've ever written from Amazon and 734 01:00:55,440 --> 01:01:01,840 the upcoming Mole forty one, Our Complete Guide to the Missouri nineteen forty one 735 01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:07,639 UFO Crash later this fall, also from Amazon or Argus Books. So are 736 01:01:07,679 --> 01:01:10,280 sure thank you a lot for having me on. It was my pleasure. 737 01:01:12,119 --> 01:01:15,559 Thank you very much. Paul a brilliant author, a wonderful researcher, knows 738 01:01:15,599 --> 01:01:20,079 his stuff, Ladies and gentlemen, I will tell you that now, So 739 01:01:20,199 --> 01:01:22,880 go out and get his new book, The Nixon Gleason, The Alien Encounter 740 01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:29,119 and Investigation into Nixon's Secret air Base Meetings to view extraterrestrials. You will not 741 01:01:29,159 --> 01:01:32,199 be disappointed. Thank you very much, Paul. It's been the pleasure it 742 01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:37,159 has been see you. Thank you, And you've been listening to Twin Souls. 743 01:01:37,199 --> 01:01:39,960 Your host, Philip Kinsella, our esteemed guest, Paul Blake Smith. 744 01:01:40,320 --> 01:02:16,880 Please come out and buy his books. You'll love them.