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host Philip can sella Now today our next guests really needs no introduction. An
amazing guy, a brilliant author, and I have to say we've had him
on the show before, especially concerning his first book, President Eisenhower's Close Encounter,
an investigation into Eisenhower's secret agreement with exteterrestrials. And Paul is here to
talk about his new book, Ladies and Gentlemen called The Nixon Gleason alien encounter
an investigation into Nixon's secret air base meeting to view extraterrestrials. Hello, Paul,
how are you. I'm doing just great, and I hope you and
everyone listening in is doing as well. Yeah. Well, as I said,
you know, Paul, we've had you on our show before. An
amazing guy that you are, and with regards to your meticulous research, not
just a youuuthologist, but your books are absolutely amazing. But I think the
first thing that we have to do here is to ask you, Paul,
how on earth did you get involved with investigating UFOs. I'm from Cape Girardo,
Missouri, a small town near the Mississippi River, as is the famous
American broadcaster now deceased, Rush Limbaugh. When I was a little boy,
Rush Limbaugh was my little league baseball umpire. I didn't know him then.
He was just a big, bulky guy and I was just a skinny kid.
But he was calling the balls and strikes behind home plate. And now
here we are. He passed away a couple of years ago. He achieved
some worldwide fame, or at least mostly in America. But there was a
story that I understand Rush learned about and heard about in high school, and
I heard about in the late nineties or around the year two thousand and that
was a legitimate UFO crash outside of Cape Girardo in April of nineteen forty one.
So I thought, wow, that sounds interesting. I can't wait for
a book to come out. And I waited and waited and waited, and
I finally decided, well, I'm a writer. I'll investigate and research and
write it myself. And it came out pretty well and did pretty well in
sales and such and reviews. And I wrote a second one that I kind
of regret. I kind of rambled on and put in too much information.
So recently I combined these first two books and corrected a few small mistakes,
and I've added a few more facts and clues in the case, and it
should be coming out this fall. But during my research, I happened upon
the Eisenhower encounter story from nineteen fifty four, and it was the same exact
way. This sounds exciting. Where is there a book on this? And
there's not a single one. So I researched it for years and put it
together, and it also did well with good reviews. I was recently contacted
by Amazon. They've got a list of well reviewed, serious books that they
would like to offer at a special discount for British audiences, and my book
is on that list. We'll see if they go ahead and do that.
That would be President Eisenhower's Close Encounters, about his February nineteenth, nineteen fifty
four secret meeting at Edward's Air Force Base with some friendly human like aliens.
And in researching that book, I stumbled upon repeatedly this allegation that President Nixon,
nineteen years later to the day February nineteenth, nineteen seventy three, also
went to an air Force base under the cover of darkness and saw some extraterrestrial
evidence. And in this case he took along his good friend, comic actor.
But it's a great story and it makes for a really fun book,
and I take it quite seriously. I really think it did happen that President
Nixon took Jackie Gleason. They were together there that afternoon. It could be
proven on live national television in America. That night they went to an Air
Force base south of Miami and saw the goods. So, Paul, with
your other book, President Eisenhoward's Close Encounter, an investigation into Eisenhower's secret agreement
with exterst rules. That was an incredible book because you really go into detail
about this meeting or so called meetings with these human like benevolent aliens, and
I was captivated, and it's something that sticks in your head, you know,
when you get a good writer or good researcher who does their work and
like, that was an incredible book. But now with this new one,
the Nixton Grease and Alien Encounter, an investigation at a Nixon's secret air based
meeting to view extraterestaurants, it has a slightly different take. And I want
to ask you so that your listeners will be able to understand, do you
suppose that this meeting or kind of like not so much as meeting but viewing
of extraterrestrials? I mean, what kind of things are we looking at here?
Are we looking at the classic grade, we're looking at humanoids? Or
what's the story behind this? In the Eisenhower Encounter that I wrote about,
and I tried to cram as many facts and as many serious allegations as possible
and sources and notations and such into my books, I'm sure you found that
it's not just flimsy nonsense that somebody made up. But it said that Eisenhower
met with some human like beings from another world, that they set down on
an Air Force base in the Mohave Desert in California, and outstep these human
like beings that one eyewitness said they look like humans, only a little different.
They're not quite identical to us. Now, that was nineteen fifty four,
and possibly another meeting in fifty five. I've been reading lately since my
Eisenhower book came out, these stories that very serious scientists and cosmologists are speculating
very intricately, and with facts that they are very likely other planet earths,
many possible thousands of them in the galaxy, producing life that will develop like
human beings, and according to let's say, atmospheric conditions or the lack of
pollution or bacteria, they might grow and evolve in slightly different forms than Homo
sapiens here on Earth. And I'm thinking that's exactly what the reports are from
the Eisenhoer encounter. A test pilot who was there described them, and then
a document came out in nineteen fifty four, just about five weeks after the
encounter and described three different races that were coming to America. This would be
the Army Special Operations Manual one one, and it described one of the races
as looking like humans, but not quite And I'm thinking that was probably a
description of the creatures that landed and spoke to Eisenhower in English. They were
said in this annual to be about five foot tall, fairly well muscled,
slightly different skin tone, and had only a little bit of fuzz at the
top of their heads, as opposed to we have like a you know,
thick mop of hair most folks. So they were definitely not the grays that
were described at Roswell and at Cape Gerarda, Missouri in nineteen forty one.
If we can just sidetrack for a bit, Philip Corso was a US Army
colonel who worked under President Eisenhower, and he said, yes, we are
being visited. And the Roswell aliens were felt by scientific examination to have been
kind of bio robots. They weren't living creatures quite like you and I.
They were identical as if they had been created in a lab or punched out
of a mold and a factory. Yeah, and that's why you could just
leave them behind and not really care too much. In a crash, you
know, nobody came back for them because they're dime a dozen. Just go
back to the lab and buy some more. So the human being type creatures
at the Eisenhower encounter were different in every way, but you know, they
had a head and shoulders and arms and legs. I guess they're were some
similarities. Now, what Jackie reported in nineteen seventy three to his wife when
he got home was that these were little dwarfish creatures that he saw laid out
on four examining tables at Homestead Air Force Base south of Miami. This was
a really cutting edge, high tech, high security air force base near the
ocean, about ninety miles from communist Cuba. In those days, it would
have been pretty sensitive stuff to go in there, But when your tour guide
is the President of the United States, you get to see the goods.
He's Jackie's golfing buddy. So Jackie said that they had pointy ears and big
bug eyes. And I don't think he mentioned the skin tone. But if
you're a UFO or ET fan, you might remember a case in nineteen fifty
five of extraterrestrials that harassed the Sutton family of Kentucky Hopkinsville, Kentucky and they
felt they were under siege. And the description matches exactly. These dwarfish like
two two and a half feet tall at most aliens with the big point ears.
That's very interesting. And I think, you know, with regards to
our understanding of the UFO phenomena on, you know, especially in terms of
investigation, there is so much that eludes us. But what is beautiful about
your work is that you have actually gone in and highlighted not just you know,
anyone from the public, but actually the presidents of the United States of
America, Nixon and Eisenhower. And I think this is incredible. So from
your viewpoint, and with can't see your work and I did see your ends.
Therefore one the bumshell before Roswell, you know the book that you wrote
about about that case there as well. I think where do you think,
Paul, in your opinion in terms of presidency, where did you think this
is going? I mean, you know, is it true that the presidents
now the United States don't have as much clearance as what they used to do.
That could be true when presidents Clinton Bush and Obama appear on talk shows
in America. They are asked this question that the media generally shies away from.
But the talk show host will say, you know, are we being
visited or not? And they won't give a straight answer. They may say
something flippant or I can't tell you. It's a matter of national security.
So you know, their non answer is an answer. If there was nothing
to any of this, they would easily brush it on and say we looked
into this, the military's into this, and there's nothing to it. But
they don't say that. They just won't give you a direct answer. So
I'm pretty sure presidents since Franklin Roosevelt in nineteen forty one have been informed to
various degrees. I think if you have a president who has exhibited kind of
slightly impulsive or reckless behavior, I made some statements that they really should have
kept to themselves, they're probably not briefed very much. Yeah, so I
would say Trump sometimes and Biden sometimes blurts things out. I'm not sure if
they're told a whole lot compared to Reagan and Bush, Nixon and Eisenhower,
And as I point out in my book, maybe JFK and LBJ back in
the sixties were also briefed and took a somewhat active interest in this. It's
an exciting topic, isn't. The leader of the free will probably needs to
know as much as he can on this subject. I mean, you'll very
meticulous, Paul in terms of your research. I mean, do you or
have you found that very difficult when you're digging to find information through certain freedom
of information files or this type of thing. How did you go about this?
Because you know, I mean for myself many other people we stand back
and quite amazed by, you know, other authors such as yourself, that
we're able to dig really deep. I mean, how did you do that?
This is a tough subject because first, everyone from even the eyes the
Nixon encounter in seventy three, they're almost all dead, and certainly the Eisenhower
encounter, everyone's long since dead. And they held very tightly their national security
oaths and didn't speak of these things publicly. Now they may have issued a
few comments in private. Nixon never spoke publicly. A biographer asked him about
UFOs in his retirement, and he just raised his eyebrows a little and refused
to speak. And Nixon gave his opinion on everything, So once again,
it's so frustrating. Another problem is, not only were people sworn to secrecy,
they wouldn't even tell their own children, and their children don't have much
of a clue. And now, in cases as far back as the Cape
Gerardo story of nineteen forty one, even the children have passed away. I
did get to speak to a member of President Nixon's advisors or aides, a
man named Stephen Bull, and he was on that trip to Florida and with
Nixon around that time. Wouldn't tell me a whole lot, but he said,
I went with President Nixon to the Jackie Gleason golf tournament Monday, February
nineteenth, nineteen seventy three. It was being televised. The media followed and
they put it all on camera. When Nixon landed in a helicopter, Jackie
Gleason, the comedian, came rolling up in a golf cart to meet him,
and he's mister Bull told me, I thought for sure I was going
to see Jackie Gleason, the world famous entertainer b decap live on camera and
got so close to that helicopter to greet Nixon. He was all excited.
Fortunately Jackie was not a tall man, or his head might have been lopped
off on National TV that day. But that was a vivid memory of his.
Now, Nixon would do some things in secret and not tell folks,
and we found out years later that he did various things. Of One thing
I read recently is that he took a helicopter ride in the sixties to Vietnam
to help negotiate the release of American soldiers being held captive there. And it
was a bold and daring mission, and he went by helicopter, and so
that kind of set the stage for the Nixon Glease, an alien encounter in
which Jackie lived on this golf course with a helipad on the course right near
his home. So Nixon and his pilot landed there around noon on that Monday,
February nineteenth, spoke with Jackie, spoke with the media, and joked
about the golf tournament that was underway, and then he got back in his
helicopter and took off. But that gave them a dry run, you know,
an example of how here's how to land with the proper coordinates at Jackie's
house. So I believe Nixon sent back this chopper pilot and his helicopter that
night around a thirty to nine maybe nine thirty, picked up Jackie and flew
him directly to Homestead Air Force Base. And that's how they pulled this off.
There's this fantasy someone wrote that Nixon drove by himself, escaped all his
secret Service guards and drove all the way across Miami in the dark, like
forty five miles to Gleeson's house and picked him up at his front door and
took him off. And that's just nonsense. Nixon loved his Marine Ie chopper,
and Jackie would have just hopped right in in just a few minutes,
about a fifteen or twenty minute flight down to Homestead Air Force Base, where
he probably met Nixon. He told his wife, we were met by an
armed guard that escorted us across the base to a secluded part of the base
where there was this laboratory, and even that had an armed guard at the
front. And Nixon let me in and let me look at what we were
holding on these examining tables in a kind of medical lab or even a morgue,
if you will. Now that's very interesting, Paul, because you know,
with in light of the new developments. And I'm sure, as you
know, there's been a lot of controversy surrounding you know, intelligence officer David
Grush, who has come forward to suggest that they, you know, these
aliens, they and nonterrestrial vehicles are in the property of some kind of like
Cleanenestein Company or you know whatever. And this, I mean is something that
we've all known for a very long time. All of us, I think
that's involved in research or euthology have always the suspicion that our own system has
got and retrieved not only biological but perhaps even biological mechanical specimens along with their
crafts. I mean, this will give absolute strength to the reasons of why
there's a cover up in terms of like the you know, the public panicking,
or maybe there's another nefarious reason behind it. We don't know, but
certainly I think it's fascinating. So in terms of Nixon and Gleeson, I
mean, when they went to go and view these you know, supposed alien
bodies, because we have to be open to this, I believe it,
did they say anything about their thoughts. Jackie's wife said that Jackie came home
that night close to midnight and was ashen face and haggard and like trembling.
He had been through something traumatic, and she said, what happened to you?
Where have you been? And he told her nixtone took me to an
air base and showed me the proof. I got to see aliens at last.
Our governments got them, and he described what they looked like. And
she kept her mouth shut for about a year and then gave an interview and
mentioned this, and Jackie really blew up. He was really angry, and
that was the end of their marriage. Nine years later, she wrote an
entire article for a tabloid and explained the whole story again, that Jackie was
so emotionally shaken. He really was so rattled that he had trouble eating and
sleeping and drank and smoked a little more than usual in the time, perhaps
days two weeks after this shocking event. She said, he really convinced me.
I believe he told me the truth because he was thundering about how the
government was covering this up. It really made him angry, and then his
mood would swing back to being giddy and excited over I'm the only civilian in
America that got to see this with the President of the United States. My
good buddy. You know, he made himself not sound like a big shot,
but it had to have been. You know, I got the exclusive
proof above all others in this country not involved with the military of the government.
And according to Beverly Gleason, she said, Jackie was sworn to sweet
secrecy before he left the air base, so he promptly broke that oath just
one time and telling her the story. When he got home. He was
so slumped in his chair in the living room, she said, and his
face was all pale. And you know, you can't just act or make
this up. If he was out with let's say, a woman, he
would come up with some other explanations in this one, or out drinking with
his friends. I mean that he would just tell her. But in a
legal case in America, there's something called an excited utterance, where you blurt
something out around the scene of a crime or the time of a crime,
and it can be used in court as you were all excited and you blurted
out the truth. Now, that's pretty close to what we have here what
Jackie told his wife that night. He'd been wanting to see the evidence for
decades and I'm sure he badgered Nixon until Nixon finally caved in and said,
come on with me, and we'll go to this Air Force base and I'll
show you. At last, Jackie's birthday was coming up in like eight or
nine days. And what do you get for the man who has everything except
this painful yearning and desire to see the hard proof of extraterrestrial visitation. So
it was the perfect birthday gift, I guess. Wow. Do you know?
This is absolutely incredible, Paul? And I don't think many people would
really know about it unless it's brought through you, because I remembered some years
ago now about these rumors about Jackie Gleason, and you know, you see
this in kind of like pieces of magazines or a little bit here all there,
And when you pulled everything together, it makes absolute sense. And was
there any technology and was anything explained about you know, these particular entities that
Gleeson had seen under the promise of Nixon? I mean, was there any
technology that was viewed a total knot very good question. In my book,
I discussed a couple of sources that made this claim. Now, anyone can
make up a story and put it on the Internet, but there was a
website that had a follow up. They asked for comments on the Nixon Gleason
encounter, and one person wrote in and said Nixon actually took Jackie Gleason across
the base to an Air Force base hangar where they normally had the jetplanes after
he saw the bodies, and that Nixon showed him this silver disc, this
alien craft, and it was kind of alive and it had to be held
down with cables. It was up in the air in this hangar. And
he said the hangar is visible from the highway that ran past the base.
And I'm thinking, where did this guy get this information? He sounded like
he was there. I've never heard this from anyone else, and I think
it's a valid statement to bring up and ponder seriously, because who could have
come up with this story. Yeah, that Jackie did get to see a
craft. It was part of the tour that he wanted to see it and
he finally did. And that if he saw more than this, either his
ex wife did not reveal it or Jackie did not tell everything he saw that
night to his wife when he got home. But she also gave another interview
in two thousand and three, and refused to retract the story or embellish it
or change it. She stuck with her guns and said, this is what
happened. Jackie told me this, and it's the truth. So you know,
it's difficult to stay that this is all a lie or it's a coincidence
that it's on the same day of the Eisenhower encounter. My thinking is that
if Eisenhower truly did establish a treaty with human like aliens on February nineteenth,
nineteen fifty four, its anniversary needed maybe some upgrading or some changing, or
just to sign off for another year. And Nixon had to be at that
Air Force base to conduct some sort of treaty advancement or alteration. And it's
not a coincidence that both of these cases were presidents working in the undercovered darkness
and secrecy, went to an air Force base to attend to extraterrestrial matters.
Yes, and I think you know, Paul, a lot of people,
especially going back decades, there was always these rumors about Eisenhower's meeting with extraterrestrials,
So why would Nixon and Gleason's account be any different from that? Because
you know, I'm there was a lot of confusion about how many exutressful species
that Eisenhower had seen and interacted with. And it did make me laugh in
the book when the extrastrestfuls were coming to visit the air base, and of
course most of them men were shooting. Yes, what a huh, I
mean, I know the Eisenhower case. Yeah, well, of course we
think somebody got busted in rank when he opened fire on visitors from another world
who meant no harm whatsoever, and probably a pre arranged meeting. The guy
didn't get the memo and he said, let's open fire on these bogies.
They're invading our airspace. This was just before the Eisenhower encounter. And it's
amazing that in that story, as you mentioned, our munition shells or artillery
had no effect whatsoever on these advanced craft that came down calmly and landed on
an airstrip in fifty four. So that does tell you not everyone is up
to date on what's going on. Are they? Then also you have to
take into consideration that the secrecy within the base was paramount, so they had
to be very careful. When I say they, I mean the generals and
colonels and all the highest staff members had to make sure that this was kind
of like condensed to a degree, even though they shut down the base.
So I guess the men were just doing what they were trained to do.
And then of course I assume that they got a good telling off later on.
But it is fascinating. Now. The other thing is that you know,
we all know about Roswell, and I've always argued this case as well
with regards to you know, if it was a secret mobile weather balloon that
had crashed, why did it take the army so long to discover it and
didn't know anything about it until of course mac Brezel came forward with the pieces
to the local sheriff. But with this what's interesting is that there appears,
and you're right to be different species of extraterrestrials. We have the grays,
which are the most famous beings in the whole of your followed you, I
mean so much so they'd be merchandised. And then you've got the humanoid version,
and then you have spoken about the beings that looked very much like the
Kelly hopkins Field beings. Now what's interesting is that in that case, with
the famous case Kelly Hopkinsville account. We know that the family were terrorized by
these beings that floated and glowed, didn't seem to communicate and seemed to harass
the family for a while. But there was a glowing object that was seen
or an object seen before this event transpired. So do you feel that perhaps
that the ones that Nixon and Gleason well more to do with Gleason that pur
viewed because nixonnew about it. Anyway, do you think they were one of
the same. Is that what you assume here, Paul at all? We
can probably assume all we want. But the description is so similar it does
sound almost like an exact description of the same race. Beverly Gleason said Jackie
that night told her that what he saw looked like bodies that were about to
be embalmed or had been embalmed, and that he said, quote, there
must have been an accident thereby, but he did not describe any injuries.
He described the bodies without saying, well, they were all mangled and twisted
or bleeding or something like that. So they had been in a lab and
carefully set out on four different tables, as if Nixon had this prepared for
him when he came in by helicopter. It's interesting that they even used the
high security airbase. Nixon was known as King Richard of the Imperial Presidency back
in the seventies, and he won a grand re election landslide of record proportion
that previous November. He was King of the Hill and he could do whatever
he wanted. Makes you wonder why he didn't have these bodies imported to his
house in Kibiskain near Miami, where he was vacationing and had Jackie over there.
But it was a top security, guarded secret airbase or no, it
was a well known air base, but it was a top secret project going
on there. And even Nixon did not decide to transfer the bodies or technology
somehow to his house. Just and also, Paul, that you said that
the object or the craft itself seemed as though it was alive. Now,
this would be very interesting. Indeed, and I remembered many long years ago,
and I mean a long time ago, there was an author called Anne
McCaffrey, and she wrote a book about this alien world and the ships were
actually organic. And I'm not saying that she was in any way connected with
your apology, but this takes a slightly different stance to it. Doesn't it
some kind of living organism? I mean, that's quite fascinating, isn't it.
It sure is. I don't know if Jackie saw anything more, but
I kind of suspect he did, from his ashen face, his trembling appearance,
that maybe he saw even more than four dead bodies and a live craft.
If there was a live craft, were there any live beings there that
he thought even I can't tell my wife this, but he was a high
ranking Freemason. He was used to juicy secrets and being given access to various
things in America that other people would not have access to. He's friends with
President Nixon, the most powerful man on earth, the president of the United
States for some four years. Previously, Gleeson was so obsessed with aliens that
in the fifties he built his own round UFO house in upstate New York,
just outside New York City. They called it Jackie's UFO House, and according
to visitors, and you can see pictures of it, it had huge bay
windows and it overlooked a bluff down below, like you're riding in a spaceship.
Everything in the house was circular. Jackie outfitted it with powerful telescopes for
scanning the skies. He had a Nikolai Tesla coil, which some people feel
was for contacting aliens in the late eighteen eighties and nineties. He also collected
a massive amount, like more than twenty five or thirty Ham radios and he's
listening in. You got to believe Jackie was so obsessed with UFOs he was
trying to make contact maybe of him with himself. So his family all noted
this, and no one seemed to think much of it. The public didn't
know much of this. While he was alive, he collected over one thousand,
seven hundred books on the paranormal, heavy on UFOs, and the books
are in the University of Miami's library where you can go to a glease and
reading room and look them over and see. Jackie's interest in UFOs was an
absolute passion, and maybe he triggered him into building his own spaceship house.
That leads us, yeah to another famous comedian that might be involved in our
nineteen seventy three story. Who might that people? You've got to tell us,
alrighty, I got your interest. We all know of British born Bob
Hope. Oh yeah, he was Nixon's presidential records, and I went over
them and they digitized Presidential Library records showing Nixon calling Bob Hope before he left
from Miami, making sure Bob Hope was going to be there. Bob Hope
was there at the golf tournament that Jackie was putting on for celebrities and pro
golfers in America. In fact, he and Jackie always partnered together. So
Bob was right there watching his friend and supporter or supportive of President Nixon,
and was around that night. No, I have no hardproof whatsoever that Bob
Hope also went to Homestead Air Force Base. But Bob went home and designed
his own UFO house. You can see it to this day in Palm Springs,
California. In the weeks and months after, he had a custom design
circular spaceship type home built on the edge of a little bluff in Palm Springs,
California. What would cause Bob Hope to desire what Jackie wanted and built
like a million bucks for a spaceship type house. Yeah, Nixon needed money
to pay off his Watergate burglars. He needed hush money badly, and in
the Watergate tapes. He bugged his own White house. He was anguished about
how am I going to raise this money in the weeks leading up to the
Jackie Gleason encounter at the air Force base. In the weeks after, Nixon
was all calm and say, yeah, I know where we can get that
or we've got that money. It's not a problem raising at least a million
dollars of hush money. So Bob Hope and Jackie Gleeson were good friends,
Republican supporters of President Nixon, and were vastly wealthy. They're like the richest
men in show business, the two of them. They made movies, record
albums, TV shows, stand up appearances on the radio. They were paid
a fortune. At one point, Jackie was making fourteen million a year.
In the days when that was a huge, huge amount, we would say
that would be like nearly one hundred million today. Wow. So why would
Bob Hope built a spaceship home in the weeks and months after he got back
from this trip to Miami. Yeah. One of Gleeson's first guests when he
finished his spaceship house in Peakskill, New York, was Richard Nixon. His
good golfing buddy back then. So that's when Nixon was vice president to Dwight
Eisenhower. So these pieces all kind of come together, if you know,
a little circumstantially. But we can speculate reasonably that either Jackie told Bob Hope
all about it, or that Bob contributed some money to Nixon slush behind there
to hush up as Watergate burglars and went along also. So if that happened,
I don't know for sure, but I suspect, well, let's just
put it this way, Paul, for someone to actually spend a vast amount
of money to have property built in the shape of UFO must be saying something.
I mean, you know, because when certain individuals are touched by this
singularity, it does change you. I think we all feel that on a
deeper level. And certainly, if I have money, I mean, I
certainly won't be living in a UFO house, but I would spend a lot
of money on other equipment and things that I could perhaps use an experiment with.
But I just find this so fascinating, and I think that you know,
your work itself is so in depth, and I love the way that
you you you really go in to that research, certainly with regards to Eisenhower
and now the Nixon and Gleeson Alien encounter. So I want to ask your
thoughts here, Paul. I mean with regards to your your interest in the
past, which is very, very important because a lot of that has been
secreted. And back in the day, it was a very different day,
wasn't it, because it was like the Men's club, you know, they
trusted one another. It's not like today with everythings tied up in real red
tape. You could you could, you could, I think, get away
with a little bit more back then if you were in the right place at
the right time, with the right people. But what is your opinion now
about what's going on at the Pentagon? Because I have to ask you.
I'm surely you've been following this in your great country. I mean, what's
your opinion about, you know, David Grush, And with regards to him
being an intelligence officer and also starting to come out with this information, what's
your thoughts on this ball? Well? I was initially quite excited, and
it's been a bit tempered for a couple of reasons, not completely squashed.
But David Grush has excellent, excellent background and credentials. He's been most trusted
by our American military and in the government. But he says he talked to
people who told him this, and they asked him, did you see any
alien bodies? Well? No, did you see an alien craft? No?
But I've talked to many people who corroborate the same story over and over.
We've got the bodies, we're examining them, we've got the hardware.
We're trying to reverse engineer, if not apply them in defense projects which are
top secret, and that kind of comes up the works. So I was
initially excited because Grush is telling you two things that I've been writing about.
Number one, yea, we have crashes and bodies. And number two,
there's been contact made by high ranking members of the government aka the President,
that we have been in contact. So he confirmed those two that all of
my books have been about. But he doesn't produce. Mister Grush did not
produce a copy of a report, a photograph, or some film footage.
I would like to see some hard evidence. He says he's restricted by what
he can talk about due to Pentagon security classifications and such, and we probably
should be grateful for all that he has said, and a few other witnesses,
because it's been quiet since, and I wonder if the government is now
going to clamp down on this. It's fascinating, as you point out,
I'd like to see more. We all sure would, but the world didn't
come to a screeching halt. You know, everyone handled it pretty well,
didn't they when it reveals Yeah, I mean, I believe the guy,
and I'm just going to say that because you know, he's got nothing to
lose, and I feel really, you know, kind of like sorry for
him because you can see within the way that he addresses the issues of the
so much passion. And I was very honored also to have heard from Ross
coultheart briefly, and he was more interested in the adduction phenomena as well.
So I think what they're doing is absolutely amazing. But I do agree with
you, Paul, with what you know and the contexts that you have and
the research that you've done, I pretty much suspect that they're going to put
a damper on this and they're going to cover it over as they have done
many times before. But I want to ask you, Paul, where do
you think that such organizations are holding this biological matter and hardware non terrestrial hardware.
Where do you think all of this stuff is. Do you think it's
one company, one private company, or do you think there's a several of
them. So many stories point to it initially being held and examined with a
very very advanced metallurgical laboratory at Wright Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio, and
I feel that is the starting point. And as you say, that probably
bring in major corporations and researchers, engineers first working to examine the maybe on
a kind of test basis, to see if these men can be trusted and
maybe women too, and not open their mouths and tell anyone and sign all
these security oaths that they are great penalties for speaking up once they're trusted,
I think the information is taken back to major corporations, and that's certainly what
Philip Corso said when they got a hold of the Roswell information and his tell
All book of nineteen ninety seven the day after Roswell, that the technology was
integrated into major American corporations to advance products and projects such as infrared or night
vision technology where you can see in the dark, and supposedly that's where we
got it from the crash recovery at Roswell. So it's a little tough because
all of this is still so shrouded in secrecy. It's still so very tough
to find clear answers on how the American military has integrated this into major corporations
because there's still a great deal of secrecy involved. So many of the projects
have to do with defence and weapons, and that's top secret stuff. For
America's advantage to use as a weaponization of extraterrestrial hardware may seem a little outrageous,
but America has to protect its interests in the world and we want to
stay one step ahead of the communist nations. Blah blah blah. But it
may well be true that this stuff is happening, as Philip Corso suggested,
and that we are getting more civilian products now out of this. I wish
we knew more, wish we had more whistleblowers, but they are under such
pressure to keep their mouth shut. Imagine speaking up and losing your job,
your pension, health care, and having your life threatened when you go out,
you know, maybe just to go shopping or something that you could be
harassed or maybe even killed. Some years ago there were a number of like
NASA scientists I think it was, who started turning up dead, and one
of them was they found as corpse stuffed in a tree like they left it
out in public as a little message for those who might talk. It's frightening
what the government might do to you more than what an alien might do to
you. Yes, and talking about that, that is quite horrific. Sorry,
Paul, I didn't know that. But with regards to the poor scientists,
and of course we do know that people going missing and the like was
flavor back then, but now they can use psychological tactics and dirty tactics on
you now. But I dares say that if someone was going too farther,
perhaps they'd have to initiate some form of execution there, and which isn't very
pleasant. And talking about the you know, benign and negative I mean in
your opinion, because I know that you've written quite a lot about the good
eaties that wants to come to Earth and kind of like help and share,
you know, as long as we get rid of the nuclear weaponry that we
have. But do you also believe that there are nefarious beings as well?
Too, as opposed to the good ones. Paul, this is a dark
subject and it's not one of my favorites, but I admit it's probably true
that this is one of the reasons the government is keeping this secret. That
a small number of races that come here are either cold hearted and don't care
about us, or have some sort of hostile or aggressive manner to them,
the so called scary reptilians or some other type creature that might abduct you,
look you over and put you back, or the cases most unfortunate and unpleasant
of cattle mutilations, Yes, and just throwing the carcasses back down on the
ground. They have to know we're going to be finding these and eventually piecing
together why there are surgical marks and organs removed from these cattle after people saw
lights in the sky or some sort of UFO in that vicinity. It's tough
to come to any other conclusion that there are some races coming here that want
biological specimens of plants and animals and they don't care who they hurt to get
it. Hopefully they're not doing that to human beings, that they're not slaughtering
us in any way. They certainly have not invaded. It would be really
foolish to try, since everyone in America seems to be armed and hostile or
at least on edge, and we are unearthing bacteria, virus germs, starting
pandemics, you know, And it would be foolish for aliens to have much
contact with humans now unless you want to get sick, like in the War
of the Worlds when an alien force invaded in the HG. Wells movie and
they were brought down by our bacteria and germs. So we're destroying the environment.
We're looting the planet, so to speak, and taking all of its
resources. So there's not much left for any visiting aliens to get a hold
of here. I think they're largely staying at arm's length and not making contact,
which is what Eisenhower asked them to do. If you have to come
here, don't land and set down in front of people and try to talk
to them. It could start a panic. I think the American government since
the time of Roosevelt, and certainly Truman and Eisenhower, have in the back
of their minds the stock market crash of nineteen twenty nine and how one little
panic can set off a huge domino effect that would cripple America's economy and the
global economy so dependent on American trade and our stock market. So when we
consider the nineteen thirty seven thirty eight Orson Wells production of HD Wells book The
War of the Worlds and how some people did panic, I think governments have
been noting that ever since, in the decades past, and thinking, oh,
we don't want to set off a panic and have people quitting their jobs,
their school, their religion and following alien visitors like they were gods when
they too are imperfect and have accidents or make mistakes. Yes, I agree
with you, and like some ET's gone, Dad, I agree with you.
But where do you, also, Paul, think they are coming from?
Because we have a number of species, And of course I remembered years
ago when this had started coming forward from certain individuals who had claimed to have
been involved in certain UFO recovery operations salvage UFO materials in the bodies, these
secret operations that the military were to perform. I mean, you know,
are they all coming from space or do you also sway perhaps to be interdimensional
hypothesis? What's your thoughts on that? As a researcher. I believe from
all I've read that we have to consider seriously those two factors from another dimension
and can travel interdimensionally, possibly within the blink of an eye through maybe teleportation.
They might be coming here in ships that utilize stargates and can be here
in seconds or time portals, wormholes in space. There's probably a variety of
methods to come here and not take hundreds of light years, you know,
like you fall asleep and you're in hibernation for like one hundred years to your
craft meets its goal of going to another planet in this physical cosmo. So
I think these are advanced aliens and that we don't have a firm grasp on
everything that we capture and recover for examination. And that's why they haven't gone
more mainstream or not more open about it. It's because they don't want to
worry people. It's still kind of over our heads. We can't synthesize these
metals that come from another planet and create these stainless steel looking, smooth,
seamless craft that don't have rivets or bolts. So we're still trying to put
it all together and figure out how do they travel here and what planet,
in the physical cosmos or in another dimension? Could they be from? Yeah,
I think it's amazing. I think, you know, the thought of
that part is absolutely wonderful. And you know, when you read your books
you can see the passion of the drive. And of course you've gone to
the top. We have to laugh here because you haven't gone just anywhere.
You've gone to the presence of the the United States of America. And I
go back to the moment when you know Jackie Gleeson was ashen faced and of
course then built this house with in the shape of the UFO and all of
his material. This must have affected him to the point where he was absolute
well, he was totally shocked, but not given enough information of how it's
done, like in terms of communication or that type of thing. So I
kind of understand that. And of course these are just a few of the
people within the past in terms of the presidency. I mean, you know,
who knows how many others had been or had access to this information.
You know, it makes you think, doesn't it, Paul? That's right.
There was an author in the fifties who talked about using Ham radios to
contact alien raises. His name was George Hunt Williamson, and he wrote books,
and sure enough I looked it up cross checking Jackie's personal library at the
University of Miami. Now after his death, he's got books by George Hunt
Williamson. So we can piece together why Jackie would go out and buy of
the thirty ham radios. He put him in an upstairs bedroom in his home
and spent so much time. Jackie was so passionate, even nuts about UFOs.
He would even call into a New York City radio station late at night
because Jackie had insomnia, the long John Nebell Show. You can even hear
some of their recorded interviews. The audio is pretty poor on YouTube or other
sources, and he would talk about some cases, and to Jackie's credit,
he didn't believe every story he heard. He was skeptical about some of these
cases, but this was how nutsy. He would stay up reading about them.
Then he would call up the authors and quiz them intently. Then he
would call up the people that were in the books that had UFO sightings.
Jackie would call up the experiencers, if you will, and with them to
know every last detail. He was so passionate about it. And that's how
I think he must have been badgering Nixon for years, at least a decade
before Nixon finally said okay, already here you go. Happy birth. That
is that would make absolute sense completely. I mean, if you are at
the top and you're linked with the top, then of course you know that.
You know in the old days, days of old you know it's the
same, isn't it. If you get to know someone their character, their
personality, you trust them and you love them as well as a friend,
and you're going to say, okay, come along, let's go and meet
the aliens. And I think that is amazing. So you know Gleeson's experience.
Certainly you have brought fourth in your amazing book, your new book,
and really does put the pieces together, because you know what it's like,
Paul, when you hear bits and pieces in the press of the media,
and there's not a lot about it. It just cuts off at certain points.
But in your book, Nixon, Grease and Alien Encounter, you actually
go into detail. I have read it in terms of exploring the how you're
putting it all together, and you know, to me and many other people,
it makes absolute sense. Especially I was excited to read President Eisenhower's close
Encounter, and that book as well was absolutely incredible because again we were confused
about what aliens he'd seen or where this was. You know, again,
we have to be honest, and you know most people aren't, but we
are. You get bits and pieces and you're not sure how to piece it
all together. So you have to be admired for the way that you have
put it together like a puzzle, strung it together and formed your very clever
and detailed conclusions. Because what is lovely about your work, Paul, is
that you're You're very to the point, you're very factual in terms of what
you're talking about, and that is wonderful. You're not biased in any way.
So I've got another question for you before we you know, we run
to the end of the show. I mean, because it's gone so quick,
isn't it. Do you think there will come a point I'm going back.
I agree with you, Paul, that we have you know, we're
basically raping this planet, We're destroying the environment, and of course, if
we're really honest, a lot of humans aren't really good humans. People want
to you know, half tooths or lies, and we're very, very diplomatic
about this. Do you think there will be some kind of intervention on a
major scale with these or certain extraterrestrials the good guys to come and try and
sort things out for us, because we're in such a mess at the moment.
What's your thoughts on that? What do you think are yourself? Paul,
That's a good question. I get asked that, and I don't have
a definite answer because I'm not a spokesperson for every alien race out there.
But I would think that there are some who were passionate enough to land and
speak to Eisenhower about our atomic weapons detonations and how we're polluting the land,
to see the air and into outer space. So I've got to believe that
if let's say, the Russians or the Koreans or the Chinese decide to pull
out nuclear weapons and seriously use them, I'm hopeful that if we Americans and
British and the Allies cannot stop them, that some friendly, powerful aliens will
put an end to this. I don't know. I've read where there's a
differing opinion among people who've had contact that think that some races would do nothing,
that they're here just to observe and if you get into a further mess,
that's our business. And then there's others that feel that we are being
visited by rather benign and helpful ones and they're going to do everything they can
to keep us from destroying our world, and that's the best way to do
it through atomic weapons. So it's a question I can't get a clear answer
to. I wish I knew. A couple of different sources I've read about
say there's at least a dozen races coming here, and so like you say,
there's various types of human beings, some friendly and warm and kind,
others kind of dull and quiet, and others just opportunistic Celsia Paz who will
lie, cheat and steal to get whatever they want. And you've got to
hope that aliens are not the same way, with vastly different personalities. That
so far, we haven't been attacked, we haven't been invaded, and I
don't think we're going to be. But in the Nixon and Eisenhower cases,
things were brought off smoothly, quietly. Yes, there were armed guards present,
but I think that gives you an indication that if they wanted to attack
the leader of the free world, or attack America. You would start by
lopping off the head of the dog, so to speak. You would go
after the president and eliminate him. And of course that did not happen,
And that's got to be a good sign for any American president who takes office.
Of my predecessors had been murdered by aliens. Well maybe I won't be
either. Yeah. Well, you know, I always have great hope that
something like that happened. And of course we have to look at the spiritual
element as well, even as the human the model of the human. We
don't know enough about ourselves, our genesis in order to answer those deeper questions
that are looking for. But you know, Paul, I've got to say
it has been an intellectual treat to speak to you again about your new book,
The Nixon Gleason Alien Encounter and Investigation into Nixon's secret air Base meeting to
view Exteterrestrials. This, ladies and gentlemen, is Paul's new book. You
must go out and buy it, because this other one as well. What
all those books are breeing But President Eisenhower's close Encounter and Investigation into Eisenhower's secret
Agreement with extrater restaurants. I love the way that the new book ties in
with your previous book. It come like almost like flows forward, you see.
So I'm going to ask here, Paul, are you working on a
new book at all? I am. Not only is that revamped Cape Girardo
book coming out this fall and in hardback, my first in hardback, but
I'm also working on Ronald Reagan's close Encounters. He apparently saw one or two,
possibly even three UFOs in his time, and it's another fascinating tale.
I don't have a document to put in the appendix in the back of the
book like I do my Eisenhower and Nixon books, but it'll take me a
while to get this all put together. The problem for me is that many
of these stories about mister Reagan have been reproduced on the Internet or mentioned in
book form. I'd like to find something shocking and new and to help put
it all together to make a kind of trilogy. The three Republican presidents Eisenhower,
Nixon, and Reagan. And Nixon had a pretty good influence on Reagan,
I'm surprised to find as I read more biographies. So it's utterly fascinating
as you mentioned the US president and aliens. How does it get more exciting
than this. We've had some contact with some TV movie type people, but
everything is all bottled up due to this Writer's Guild and Actors Guild strike and
people honoring the strike, and showbiz is at almost a standstill here and I
don't know if it's having repercussions in England, but it's making a mess out
of all kinds of productions that people wanted to go forward with. So I
can't give you any good news from that standpoint of my recent research being turned
into a Hollywood production. Well, let's hope it is made into a Hollywood
film. Paul, you deserve for the work you've done. And yes,
I do recall and remember a number of occasions with Ronald Reagan. President Ronald
Reagan when he viewed a UFO and his jet along with Nancy I think was
his wife. Nancy was there with him view this UFO while they were traveling
in an aircraft, and also of his speech that he made which was very
controversial. We understand the differences if we weren't known that we're under threat of
an actrestful species or something of that kind. But thank you so much,
Paul for your time. It's been wonderful to have you on our show yet
again. And please tell your audience about your book and about how they can
get hold of you. My Eisenhower book came out from Foundations, but you
can find it on Amazon as well as the new Nixon book. The Eisenhower
book also was turned into an audio book. It's an excellent read or all
you have to do is put on headphones and listen. It's from Tantor dot
com and they are now currently working on turning my Nixon book into an audiobook,
so look for those from Amazon and anything I've ever written from Amazon and
the upcoming Mole forty one, Our Complete Guide to the Missouri nineteen forty one
UFO Crash later this fall, also from Amazon or Argus Books. So are
sure thank you a lot for having me on. It was my pleasure.
Thank you very much. Paul a brilliant author, a wonderful researcher, knows
his stuff, Ladies and gentlemen, I will tell you that now, So
go out and get his new book, The Nixon Gleason, The Alien Encounter
and Investigation into Nixon's Secret air Base Meetings to view extraterrestrials. You will not
be disappointed. Thank you very much, Paul. It's been the pleasure it
has been see you. Thank you, And you've been listening to Twin Souls.
Your host, Philip Kinsella, our esteemed guest, Paul Blake Smith.
Please come out and buy his books. You'll love them.