WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.880 --> 00:00:05.280 Howdy, Welcome to the Three two Outcomes podcasts, presented by Baseball Perspectives. 2 00:00:05.639 --> 00:00:09.240 I'm your host, Ian Lefkowitz, and I am joined as always by Ben 3 00:00:09.279 --> 00:00:13.160 Murphy and Jared Wise, who need no introduction despite the fact that I've given 4 00:00:13.199 --> 00:00:17.679 them one for about one hundred episodes in a row. But we are pleased 5 00:00:17.760 --> 00:00:23.000 as punched to have a special guest with us joining us this week. Tom 6 00:00:23.039 --> 00:00:27.920 Cunningham pros mcmavin. Is it fair to say, I don't know, but 7 00:00:28.559 --> 00:00:34.280 I'm a longtime listener, first first time caller, so we have no callers. 8 00:00:37.799 --> 00:00:43.039 Yeah, but we are delighted to have you on. We met you 9 00:00:43.679 --> 00:00:48.799 throughout a number of leagues and probably most notably I think in the mock draft 10 00:00:49.799 --> 00:00:57.679 that we are participated in each off season. So I guess the first off 11 00:00:57.719 --> 00:01:00.759 putting question I like to ask all of our guests are, uh is who 12 00:01:00.840 --> 00:01:07.680 are you and why are you here? Well? So, UM, I 13 00:01:07.760 --> 00:01:11.680 like playing score sheet. UM. I actually started in a league that UM 14 00:01:11.719 --> 00:01:17.159 that I think both Ben and Jared were in. UM it was it was 15 00:01:17.200 --> 00:01:23.200 a league I think Keith Woolner has started or something, and I got into 16 00:01:23.280 --> 00:01:27.040 it through UM. I got it into it through people at work, and 17 00:01:29.280 --> 00:01:34.319 it had a very weird keeper system where, um where it was based off 18 00:01:34.359 --> 00:01:41.239 of years of service. So I just started That's how I started getting prospects, 19 00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:45.480 is that it was the keeper system was all based off of years of 20 00:01:45.519 --> 00:01:49.480 service. So if you if you you know, started a pipeline of prospects, 21 00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:53.319 and you could keep more players and you could have you know, better 22 00:01:53.439 --> 00:01:57.680 or better young players than everyone else in the league. What was that league 23 00:01:57.680 --> 00:02:01.359 called, tom I think it was like oh o o l out of our 24 00:02:01.439 --> 00:02:06.920 league or something. Yeah, yeah, oh my gosh, I remember that. 25 00:02:07.199 --> 00:02:10.599 I remember that if only because of like every experience I've ever had with 26 00:02:10.719 --> 00:02:15.639 Keith Wilner was memorable. But I think it's important clarify that wasn't a score 27 00:02:15.680 --> 00:02:20.439 sheet league, right, It was like um points league that had like a 28 00:02:20.439 --> 00:02:23.840 complicated points formula, I think, Yeah, but I had like a complicated 29 00:02:23.960 --> 00:02:27.039 keeper structure, which sort of, like you were saying, laid the foundation 30 00:02:27.080 --> 00:02:30.840 for that. Yeah. And it was the only draft that's longer than Murphy 31 00:02:30.080 --> 00:02:37.159 that you know. It was like a twelve hour draft. But uh yeah, 32 00:02:37.479 --> 00:02:40.000 but I started with that, and then then I started to get into 33 00:02:40.039 --> 00:02:46.280 score sheet I think around the same time that you guys did and m and 34 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:51.319 I started drafting prospects, and I started drafting them earlier than everyone else in 35 00:02:51.360 --> 00:02:57.360 my leagues. Um and uh yeah, and that's just how I've been building 36 00:02:57.360 --> 00:03:00.479 my teams. So, I mean, I find it's easy if you get 37 00:03:00.560 --> 00:03:07.080 prospects, um, they don't they don't cross over a lot. Um. 38 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:09.240 You know, you get their prime years. Um, you can keep the 39 00:03:09.280 --> 00:03:15.280 ones that you want. You can usually they usually retain some trade value so 40 00:03:15.319 --> 00:03:19.240 you can trade off the ones that you don't want. Um. So I 41 00:03:19.680 --> 00:03:23.919 kind of find it's a great strategy to build from. Yeah. And just 42 00:03:23.960 --> 00:03:27.599 to unpack that a little bit, I would say every year, uh, 43 00:03:27.919 --> 00:03:31.400 well, we get questions from listeners, and certainly in the mock draft, 44 00:03:31.719 --> 00:03:36.319 we kind of get this question pretty consistently, like, um, how many 45 00:03:36.319 --> 00:03:40.240 prospects are too many? And are you drafting prospects too early? And I 46 00:03:40.280 --> 00:03:46.599 think you are the perfect person to answer this question. So so I guess 47 00:03:46.639 --> 00:03:51.439 you're tolerance, Like people's tolerance is going to be different. But I've in 48 00:03:52.080 --> 00:03:58.240 in it. I've kept about ten prospects, um in my standard score sheet 49 00:03:58.319 --> 00:04:01.719 leaks where um, where you know, they start at thirty five and they 50 00:04:01.800 --> 00:04:05.719 go down to thirty you know, thirty four each prospect, so, um, 51 00:04:06.080 --> 00:04:10.039 you know, I usually try to keep it around ten because like I 52 00:04:10.120 --> 00:04:14.479 can usually have four of them, you know, coming in to the you 53 00:04:14.560 --> 00:04:17.920 know, coming in in that year, and then maybe three of them the 54 00:04:18.079 --> 00:04:23.839 next year, and then three being kind of um, you know, lottery 55 00:04:23.920 --> 00:04:28.560 ticket type lower miners, miners guys, but that would be high upside. 56 00:04:29.639 --> 00:04:35.519 Yeah. Yeah, so and like, you know, I guess we've seen 57 00:04:35.560 --> 00:04:40.639 each other's teams for now, and like my sense from the outside is that 58 00:04:40.759 --> 00:04:45.160 your teams win like thirty games a year, except when they're winning one hundred 59 00:04:45.199 --> 00:04:49.120 ten games a year. Is that a stair assessment? Yeah, well, 60 00:04:50.439 --> 00:04:54.959 so I started, Yeah, I started in a league that you guys are 61 00:04:55.000 --> 00:04:58.920 in, and um, it was it was like I didn't have the benefit 62 00:04:59.079 --> 00:05:01.399 of of one of the drafts coming into the league, you know, one 63 00:05:01.439 --> 00:05:06.279 of the just dispersal drafts. Um, and I got. I got. 64 00:05:06.439 --> 00:05:11.519 The team makeup was like absolutely the opposite of what I would have done. 65 00:05:11.920 --> 00:05:15.879 You know. It was really good pitchers, but really old hitters, and 66 00:05:16.920 --> 00:05:20.639 and and like Adam Jones was like the best player, you know, best 67 00:05:20.759 --> 00:05:24.000 hitting player on the team. I think I can't imagine what it's like to 68 00:05:24.040 --> 00:05:30.199 follow team. Yeah, so let's be awful. Yeah so I tore the 69 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:33.800 whole thing down and and I think probably in the second part of this year 70 00:05:33.879 --> 00:05:39.279 it'll start to get get a lot better. But uh but I don't have 71 00:05:39.360 --> 00:05:43.199 a bullpen, so it's not going to get a lot better till next year. 72 00:05:43.439 --> 00:05:46.720 But uh yeah, yeah, it pretty much works out that way. 73 00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:50.160 I don't like being in the middle. I find that, like eighty games, 74 00:05:50.279 --> 00:05:53.759 winning eighty games a year is kind of the wrong place to be. 75 00:05:54.480 --> 00:05:59.600 Um, I don't know. Yeah, And like I mean, you know, 76 00:05:59.639 --> 00:06:04.480 I think that's the standard question we get, is like should we go 77 00:06:04.680 --> 00:06:10.639 for it or should we bail? And I think what you're saying is like 78 00:06:11.160 --> 00:06:15.959 if you're especially if you're in a league where you know it's not the dominant 79 00:06:15.959 --> 00:06:21.680 strategy, like you kind of give yourself permission to rebuild, even if you 80 00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:27.759 have a good team. Yeah, I I you know, it's some some 81 00:06:27.959 --> 00:06:30.000 leagues have, you know. I think it's you have to feel out the 82 00:06:30.079 --> 00:06:33.120 league too, Like, you know, the league that we're in has like 83 00:06:33.240 --> 00:06:36.920 a higher tolerance for rebuilders than you know, a lot of leagues might. 84 00:06:38.480 --> 00:06:43.560 But um, yeah, I don't I kind of kind of don't think. 85 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:48.279 Yeah, I definitely think you should choose a lane either you know, rebuild, 86 00:06:48.680 --> 00:06:53.639 you know, and and and get out of that year, or you 87 00:06:53.720 --> 00:06:57.439 know you're competing hard. Tom, you're talking about Dwayne Murphy, right, 88 00:06:57.879 --> 00:07:01.560 Bil Dwayne Murphy. Oh I just talk on NorCal but yeah, yeah, 89 00:07:02.279 --> 00:07:08.639 yeah, sorry, I just wanted to clarify. Yeah, go ahead, 90 00:07:08.639 --> 00:07:13.759 because because Murphy is um so different than nor Cal and other standard leagues. 91 00:07:13.800 --> 00:07:18.240 But yeah, cool, that's what happens when you're in like seven leagues. 92 00:07:18.319 --> 00:07:23.319 You don't remember all the leagues that you're in with everybody, because if I 93 00:07:23.399 --> 00:07:27.560 had, I'd been like, are you talking about or or? But okay, 94 00:07:28.480 --> 00:07:30.399 I just know Murphy's the one. No, I just know that Murphy's 95 00:07:30.399 --> 00:07:38.680 the one where you own Dragson profile. That's why that's the one. That's 96 00:07:40.480 --> 00:07:46.319 so this was the word. We we wanted to keep two middle infielders and 97 00:07:46.399 --> 00:07:49.839 a catcher, and um my co owner and I we decided, oh yeah, 98 00:07:49.959 --> 00:07:54.560 we're gonna go for We're gonna see, you know, we'll find a 99 00:07:54.680 --> 00:07:58.439 young you know, a young middle infield and a young catcher. And we 100 00:07:58.600 --> 00:08:05.439 chose Danny Jansen, Um curious and uh and Jerks and pro far and it's 101 00:08:05.720 --> 00:08:11.759 this has been a bad decision, so that is ah, yeah, I 102 00:08:11.040 --> 00:08:16.879 mean I liked all of those. Well I liked two of those, and 103 00:08:16.639 --> 00:08:22.560 that has come up snake guys for sure. Yeah. Um yeah. So 104 00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:28.399 you may have heard been on this very podcast once or twice proclaiming his favorite 105 00:08:28.439 --> 00:08:33.039 baseball opinion. Um, Jerks and Profile is bad at baseball, which is 106 00:08:35.279 --> 00:08:39.519 looking unfortunately a little likely at this point. So unfortunately let me have a 107 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:48.960 win. I mean, unfortunate for his family and whatever. Okay, yes, 108 00:08:48.200 --> 00:08:56.320 but great for you. I mean you deserve it. My mind record 109 00:08:56.360 --> 00:09:03.720 on predicting player performance is worse than Jerks and Profile is batting average. I'll 110 00:09:03.759 --> 00:09:09.840 see myself out. Um, but top So yeah, I mean Jerkson Profile 111 00:09:09.879 --> 00:09:13.399 aside. And you know there is something to this right where I think you 112 00:09:13.559 --> 00:09:20.120 are, let's say, not necessarily claiming that, um, the prospect strategy 113 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:24.879 is the only one or that prospects never bust. Right. Well, yeah, 114 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:28.200 no, there's there's totally you know, there's a there's a ton of 115 00:09:28.279 --> 00:09:31.159 ways you could go. But um, I just you know, for me 116 00:09:31.320 --> 00:09:37.360 this I see this as a good strategy that I can employ. So yeah, 117 00:09:37.360 --> 00:09:41.519 um, like something that I think I have said in the past is 118 00:09:41.879 --> 00:09:48.600 um to quote myself. Uh No, that I think when people talk about 119 00:09:48.639 --> 00:09:52.240 how risky prospects are, sometimes they fail to evaluate how risky baseball players are. 120 00:09:52.720 --> 00:10:00.360 Yeah, and so that a lot of the concern about like having this 121 00:10:00.480 --> 00:10:05.519 prospect laden strategy. You know, you can also drive to Jose Ramirez in 122 00:10:05.639 --> 00:10:11.759 the first round and right all of a sudden your mid career superstar is U 123 00:10:11.919 --> 00:10:20.360 preferesque. Yeah. Um, so related to that, um, another phrase 124 00:10:22.519 --> 00:10:26.879 you hear a lot about, especially amateur or people who are interested in prospects 125 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:30.279 but may not have a scouting background, is not to scout the stat line. 126 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:35.559 Um. I don't love the phrase don't scout the scout stat line. 127 00:10:35.960 --> 00:10:41.720 How do you feel about not scouting the style? I like to stout scout 128 00:10:41.799 --> 00:10:46.279 the statine. But like, I think there's certain things that you should look 129 00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:50.000 at. Like I think, you know the three things that I like to 130 00:10:50.039 --> 00:10:54.080 look at our you know, age, um power. Um, Well, 131 00:10:54.120 --> 00:10:58.679 I guess there's four things age power, um, walk rate, and k 132 00:10:58.879 --> 00:11:01.279 rate. So I mean those are the you know, whenever I look at 133 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:05.919 a prospect, those are the four things you know that I'm pretty much looking 134 00:11:05.960 --> 00:11:11.879 at. You know exclusively. Um, but I actually came up with I 135 00:11:11.960 --> 00:11:16.960 came up with a program that goes through and kind of ranks them for me. 136 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:20.120 Um, there's there's a there's a couple of good ones out there. 137 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:26.200 There's one on Roster Resource that does a pretty good job of, um kind 138 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:28.639 of ranking players you know, on an age basis, but also you know 139 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:33.759 from you know performance, They have like a power rankings thing. Um. 140 00:11:35.679 --> 00:11:39.320 But uh, but yeah, I came up with with with something, you 141 00:11:39.399 --> 00:11:43.039 know, because I couldn't find anything out there at the time. UM, 142 00:11:43.480 --> 00:11:46.039 So I just did one for myself. And and that's kind of what I 143 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:52.200 what I go off of. UM. One of the things that like in 144 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:58.320 score Sheet, we have these supplemental drafts, and usually the first two or 145 00:11:58.519 --> 00:12:03.000 three you get before you know, a mid season update for prospects is out, 146 00:12:03.080 --> 00:12:05.559 so you kind of have to go off of chats and you know, 147 00:12:05.679 --> 00:12:11.519 the you know, the stat line. UM. So so like having having 148 00:12:11.679 --> 00:12:16.519 something you know, like going off the stats and like you know, trying 149 00:12:16.559 --> 00:12:20.919 to figure out for yourself what, uh you know, who's going to be 150 00:12:20.120 --> 00:12:24.039 in that that update. You know that I feel I feel like that's helpful 151 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:28.159 because then you can kind of kind of beat the rush. So right, 152 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:31.399 if you see that Tyler Freeman is breaking out in May, right, then 153 00:12:31.960 --> 00:12:37.360 all of a sudden, or Wander Franco, who you were on I think 154 00:12:37.559 --> 00:12:41.480 from birth as far as I recall, I think you guys. You guys 155 00:12:41.559 --> 00:12:48.879 drafted Wander Javier and and and I got really panicked because I knew I wanted 156 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:54.799 Wander Franco. And when I saw Wander, I was I was really I 157 00:12:54.039 --> 00:12:58.120 got. I got all freaked out until I saw the Javier, and I 158 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:03.519 said, I gotta get gotta get Franco in the next picks. Uh, 159 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:07.399 well, you know it's that sixty feet from stardom right there for us. 160 00:13:09.080 --> 00:13:16.039 Um So, Yeah, Like when I think of you and some of our 161 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:20.720 like fellow travelers in the prospect world, I feel like there are a certain 162 00:13:22.120 --> 00:13:28.360 there's a certain breed of prospect that UM is maybe rated higher on prospect boards 163 00:13:30.039 --> 00:13:33.559 then uh then tend to be rated in our drafts and our rankings. And 164 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:39.279 a certain type of player who is rated UM much higher in our drafts. 165 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:43.279 Uh. Related to that, UM, tell me about all hundred kerk so 166 00:13:45.320 --> 00:13:52.879 so um so Ahndre Kirk he's in. I think he's in. UM advanced 167 00:13:52.960 --> 00:13:58.120 a ball now yeah, and he's he's so so I think he's like he 168 00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:03.879 might be like a two hundred and thirty pound five foot eight catcher, but 169 00:14:03.080 --> 00:14:07.720 the guy never strikes out. He like he he he hits for power, 170 00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:13.240 he has a great walk rate and he never strikes out. So it's kind 171 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:16.600 of a guess on you know, whether he stays as a catcher. But 172 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:22.320 but I feel like there's no good scouting report out out there yet on him. 173 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:26.840 Um, I think fan grafts they comped him to like Chris Farley or 174 00:14:26.919 --> 00:14:31.919 something. But uh, but like I went on his I went to I 175 00:14:33.000 --> 00:14:35.559 went to search for him on Instagram to see like what a picture of him 176 00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:39.919 look like, and he does not look like Chris Farley, you know he 177 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:46.519 he he looks like a baseball player now so uh yeah, yeah, he 178 00:14:46.639 --> 00:14:50.840 got moved up to Dunedin before I could watch him, and the Florida State 179 00:14:50.960 --> 00:14:54.480 League is like a black hole on m I LB TV. But yeah, 180 00:14:54.480 --> 00:14:58.080 I cannot wait until he escapes. Um. But yeah, like I feel 181 00:14:58.120 --> 00:15:03.440 like two hundred and thirty pound eight ball catcher who never strikes out as like 182 00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:07.919 uh catnip, and then there are players like um, not to pick on 183 00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:13.000 anyone, but like I have like Bubba Thompson in mind as like, um, 184 00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:16.799 you know these like tools goofy outfielders. Yeah, they just don't have 185 00:15:16.960 --> 00:15:24.799 really performance behind it yet, right yeah. Um and I feel like those 186 00:15:24.879 --> 00:15:30.279 players tend to drop precipitously. Not that they never break out either, but 187 00:15:30.840 --> 00:15:35.240 UM, my sense is that you feel like that is a profile that kind 188 00:15:35.279 --> 00:15:41.960 of gets overrated, would that be right? I yeah, I don't know 189 00:15:41.039 --> 00:15:46.679 Bubba Thompson in particular, but like I'm I'm I'm looking more at like the 190 00:15:46.960 --> 00:15:50.919 the youngest player at the level, you know, because that's usually the one 191 00:15:52.039 --> 00:15:54.720 that you know, you know, has the has the upside to become a 192 00:15:54.799 --> 00:16:02.240 star. Um and and that's usually all so the player that's not getting get 193 00:16:02.399 --> 00:16:06.759 you know, not getting recognized fully until until they hit you know, double 194 00:16:06.799 --> 00:16:11.279 A or triple A right like, um, you know, I feel like 195 00:16:11.320 --> 00:16:15.080 the patron saints of this were like Mookie Bets and before that, Dustin Pedraya 196 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:21.399 or not even like Juan Soto or you know, yeah, or or like 197 00:16:21.559 --> 00:16:26.840 Ronald Ucuna like when he was he was in I think he was nineteen in 198 00:16:26.120 --> 00:16:32.080 Triple A and you know, everyone a lot of people like. I feel 199 00:16:32.120 --> 00:16:34.240 like I feel like most of the people drafting knew that this guy was gonna 200 00:16:34.279 --> 00:16:37.919 be like one of the you know, like top ten in the next year, 201 00:16:38.399 --> 00:16:41.440 but none of the analysts would kind of bite on that, you know, 202 00:16:42.279 --> 00:16:47.039 until you know, until the next the next winner. So right, 203 00:16:47.360 --> 00:16:51.320 And with Wonder Franco, for instance, I think, uh, they're a 204 00:16:51.360 --> 00:16:53.519 little more eager to jump on the train. But I feel like people are 205 00:16:53.720 --> 00:17:00.480 still sleeping in Wonder Franco that he has the lowest k rate of any prospect 206 00:17:00.919 --> 00:17:07.359 in above a ball except for Ni Magical. According to who is Nick Magical 207 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:11.440 is like three you know, standard deviations off. But um no, and 208 00:17:11.559 --> 00:17:17.720 Froco is actually hitting for power, right he's in five six Yeah, so 209 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:23.200 um yeah. I feel like that is like your ideal player in some level, 210 00:17:23.359 --> 00:17:27.039 right yeah yeah, someone with a good good walk rate, like no 211 00:17:27.279 --> 00:17:32.680 k rate um and can hit for power. I feel like that's and is 212 00:17:32.720 --> 00:17:36.160 the youngest player at the league. I feel like that's like a that's a 213 00:17:36.240 --> 00:17:40.160 really good case for someone who's going to be a star. So all right, 214 00:17:40.279 --> 00:17:45.319 well we're gonna have to uh not to our Kings League team for a 215 00:17:45.480 --> 00:17:52.519 very long time. A good note to us. Um so um related to 216 00:17:52.599 --> 00:17:56.920 that, Just to be a little more specific, I suppose, um, 217 00:17:57.680 --> 00:18:00.960 you know, are there players who you have been adding to your teams so 218 00:18:02.119 --> 00:18:04.480 far this year? Um, anyone who has been jumping out to you that 219 00:18:04.640 --> 00:18:07.839 you feel you've gotten on all your teams and therefore you don't need to burn 220 00:18:07.880 --> 00:18:12.200 them or you could burn them to the public. Kirk is the guy that 221 00:18:12.279 --> 00:18:17.519 I've got, I've got on most of my teams now. But uh, 222 00:18:17.839 --> 00:18:22.880 but I mean I feel like Dylan Carlston on in the NL is the one 223 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:26.400 that you know, that's the guy that's kind of jumping out, you know. 224 00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:32.279 Yeah, and yeah, um, I feel like almost in the last 225 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:37.119 two to three weeks he has started picking up some big prospect heat. Yeah, 226 00:18:37.640 --> 00:18:44.279 and so like Helio Ramos and Nan l too, like he's I think 227 00:18:44.359 --> 00:18:48.119 he's you know, and all these guys are pretty much young for a level, 228 00:18:48.599 --> 00:18:53.359 you know, and and hitting um, Brennan Davis, he's he's really 229 00:18:53.480 --> 00:18:59.480 low. But uh, I think he's probably out there and like, you 230 00:18:59.559 --> 00:19:03.400 know, almost to all those scoresheet leagues right now. Yeah. Yeah, 231 00:19:03.519 --> 00:19:07.720 I fess he has been even under my radar because he is a cup and 232 00:19:08.160 --> 00:19:17.200 therefore er but um, yeah, so I guess you are often looking in 233 00:19:17.599 --> 00:19:23.079 like a ball and even rookie league and yeah, yeah, well because because 234 00:19:23.119 --> 00:19:26.519 I'm looking for the guys that are kind of like, you know, the 235 00:19:26.839 --> 00:19:32.799 the outliers, and once they get to A plus or double A, you 236 00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:37.599 know, those guys are probably drafted already. So yeah, um, so 237 00:19:37.720 --> 00:19:44.039 one thing I noticed is that you haven't mentioned pictures a ton. Yeah. 238 00:19:44.119 --> 00:19:48.000 I hardly ever draft pitchers, well pitching prospects that is. I mean, 239 00:19:48.599 --> 00:19:55.680 I I'm just kind of playing the percentages there. Um. You know, 240 00:19:55.960 --> 00:20:00.079 I feel like you can the hitters. You know, you're gonna get some 241 00:20:00.319 --> 00:20:03.799 value out of there out of them, But pictures, it's like, you 242 00:20:03.920 --> 00:20:11.319 know, you don't know what you're gonna get. So yeah, that are 243 00:20:11.599 --> 00:20:17.160 so. You know, obviously your team has pictures on it as much as 244 00:20:17.839 --> 00:20:23.599 around. Ben Murphy might hate the strategy of ever having a picture we can 245 00:20:23.680 --> 00:20:30.240 win games eighteen sixteen. Um, but I feel like you're mischaracterizing my strategy. 246 00:20:30.519 --> 00:20:33.079 It's not that it's not that I don't want to have pictures, It's 247 00:20:33.119 --> 00:20:37.759 just that I don't want to draft pictures before I've drafted all the hitters. 248 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:45.680 I agree with that, Yeah, so I guess, right, when do 249 00:20:45.759 --> 00:20:48.480 you agree with that? Is that? Um, where do you find your 250 00:20:48.559 --> 00:20:56.480 pictures? Um? So I for pitching, I kind of go for um. 251 00:20:57.160 --> 00:21:00.200 You know, you're looking for a low walk, high k rate kind 252 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:06.359 of guys. You know maybe maybe like twenty five, twenty six. I 253 00:21:06.559 --> 00:21:10.200 you know, the twenty two twenty three year old pitchers. You know they're 254 00:21:10.240 --> 00:21:15.039 not past that injury nexus yet. So you know, if if you can 255 00:21:15.119 --> 00:21:19.079 find someone that's got like three hundred innings already, then that's that's a great 256 00:21:19.200 --> 00:21:23.319 Like like Matt Boyd this year was I kind of felt like he was a 257 00:21:23.880 --> 00:21:30.359 good bet. But uh, but yeah, I feel like also if if 258 00:21:30.440 --> 00:21:33.759 you can get a staff together that like is going to put up, you 259 00:21:33.799 --> 00:21:37.720 don't have to have all aces to get into the playoffs. You can find 260 00:21:37.839 --> 00:21:41.960 put together a staff that's like between three to five and like four to two 261 00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:45.079 just for the starters. You know, you can kind of I don't know 262 00:21:45.160 --> 00:21:48.279 if it's the lem a plan of score sheet, but like if you have 263 00:21:48.359 --> 00:21:52.920 a really good offense, then you can you can get into the playoffs on 264 00:21:52.440 --> 00:21:57.839 on offense and you know, shorthooks. So Tom, I appreciate that now 265 00:21:59.039 --> 00:22:02.799 as a result of you invocating this perspective, and we'll give my arguments a 266 00:22:02.799 --> 00:22:11.400 little bit more credibility. We always did. Uh huh yeah, Um no, 267 00:22:11.680 --> 00:22:17.599 I mean our strategy has usually just draft all the catchers, which we're 268 00:22:17.759 --> 00:22:21.599 I think we're coming off a draft where Tom executed that to the letter. 269 00:22:22.440 --> 00:22:27.039 Um. It feels like there's a lot of good prospect catchers that are just 270 00:22:27.319 --> 00:22:33.119 you know, popping up like Kirk and this, uh, Sam Huff and 271 00:22:33.599 --> 00:22:38.599 uh and uh and and Ruchman. So yeah, so right, so you 272 00:22:38.720 --> 00:22:41.720 drafted Adlie Rushman because you had the number one pick. Another, I mean 273 00:22:41.799 --> 00:22:48.160 another thing that you know is an ansolary benefit of this of your strategy is 274 00:22:48.240 --> 00:22:51.960 that you are very likely to get number one picks a lot when you were 275 00:22:52.200 --> 00:22:56.640 ducating. Yeah, and having the number one pick when you're not competing is 276 00:22:59.160 --> 00:23:03.720 just vastly better than having the number three pick when you're not I almost I 277 00:23:03.799 --> 00:23:10.359 almost feel like having the supplemental one picks is better than having the you know, 278 00:23:10.480 --> 00:23:14.519 the fourteen one. Yeah, I don't know. Um, I mean 279 00:23:14.599 --> 00:23:18.640 at least this year it was. Yeah, I agree in our Kings League 280 00:23:18.680 --> 00:23:25.119 where we tanked last year, Um, we got Joey Bart and um uh 281 00:23:25.359 --> 00:23:30.200 wander Fronco in July and August, and this year we're gonna get Adelie Rushman. 282 00:23:30.400 --> 00:23:36.440 Sorry, Joey Bart and uh, you know, stay tuned for I'm 283 00:23:36.480 --> 00:23:37.880 not ready to Bart my August number one pick, but I have somebody in 284 00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:42.279 mind already. Um. And yeah, I mean I think being able to 285 00:23:42.319 --> 00:23:48.680 get the drop on those kinds of players are really what the engine, like 286 00:23:48.799 --> 00:23:55.319 you said, that generates championships down the line. Yeah. Um, So 287 00:23:56.880 --> 00:24:00.880 yeah, I guess, um, maybe maybe this is a good time to 288 00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:06.480 pivot to the draft a little bit, because, as we've been saying, 289 00:24:06.559 --> 00:24:10.920 you've been uh we were talking about offline that you were watching the draft and 290 00:24:11.079 --> 00:24:18.960 you managed to make it one player deep into the draft time around, Um, 291 00:24:18.319 --> 00:24:22.240 which, so, yeah, is this a one player draft? I 292 00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:26.920 guess would be an interesting place to start. I don't know what you guys 293 00:24:26.960 --> 00:24:30.119 think, but I think I kind of think, you know, this draft 294 00:24:30.319 --> 00:24:36.640 was like I think there's you know, for for scoresheet supplementals. I think 295 00:24:36.680 --> 00:24:41.960 there's like maybe six or seven guys that that would should be drafted. Um, 296 00:24:41.359 --> 00:24:45.839 but past that, I don't know, Like I don't I don't see 297 00:24:45.880 --> 00:24:49.240 any I didn't see any pictures that I would draft on my teams, um, 298 00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:55.960 coming out of the draft this year. But uh, but adle Adlee 299 00:24:56.119 --> 00:25:03.480 and Vaughan and Wit and um and maybe the center fielder the Corbyn Carroll was 300 00:25:03.559 --> 00:25:07.599 his name, yeah, from the Diamondbacks. Yeah, and and then um 301 00:25:08.440 --> 00:25:12.000 then the guy that Tigers took too, Riley Green. Yeah. Yeah, 302 00:25:14.160 --> 00:25:17.839 those are those are the guys that you know, I kind of thought it 303 00:25:17.920 --> 00:25:22.519 might be interesting for score sheet teams, right. So it's so it's interesting 304 00:25:22.599 --> 00:25:26.240 that you say that because you know, I've seen the less and less in 305 00:25:26.279 --> 00:25:29.119 our leagues. But I still feel like you go to public leagues, especially 306 00:25:29.160 --> 00:25:33.640 public continuing leagues, and you see this where there are owners who will just 307 00:25:33.759 --> 00:25:37.680 take like the next name down the drafted players list in order, right, 308 00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:41.319 And I feel like a lot of especially like the back half of the first 309 00:25:41.400 --> 00:25:48.599 round, gets severely overdrafted year after year. Yeah. Um, I mean, 310 00:25:48.720 --> 00:25:53.359 unless you like, maybe someone's seen something. I don't watch anything. 311 00:25:53.640 --> 00:25:59.440 I don't watch any any college baseball. Um. I watch some minor league 312 00:25:59.480 --> 00:26:03.839 baseball. Um. But um, but I feel like, you know, 313 00:26:03.920 --> 00:26:07.000 in the supplementals, if you can kind of if you can kind of grab 314 00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:11.640 onto guys and you know a plus or a that are moving up, and 315 00:26:12.039 --> 00:26:15.359 you know, those are the guys maybe in the supplementals that you want to 316 00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:18.559 you want to look at, you know, because you're also getting a you 317 00:26:18.640 --> 00:26:23.240 know, a closer ETA as well. Right, sometimes it's like the perfect 318 00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:27.960 time to take a prospect, right who is already in a system, I 319 00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:33.039 mean, not like a drafted player. And then just um, you know, 320 00:26:33.079 --> 00:26:37.920 because with July you've gotten half the date already and maybe some UH boards 321 00:26:37.960 --> 00:26:44.519 are refreshing their first round. One thing that I've found, um, you 322 00:26:44.599 --> 00:26:48.559 know, useful just as a like anchoring exercise. UH. You know, 323 00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:53.319 Fangrass has updated its board this year, and it has done something that I've 324 00:26:53.440 --> 00:26:56.839 wanted to see for a very long time, which is kind of rank amateurs 325 00:26:57.200 --> 00:27:06.039 and UH drafted prospects side or affiliated prospects side by side, so that you 326 00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:07.920 know, you can say, like, wait a second, this is a 327 00:27:08.200 --> 00:27:15.799 forty five player and there are fifties on the board who haven't been drafted in 328 00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:18.440 our league? Like what am I doing here? Right? Like? The 329 00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:23.200 great the great thing about that is like you can kind of guess where where 330 00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:27.000 Rushman fits in, you know, based on they gave him. Did they 331 00:27:27.039 --> 00:27:30.160 give him a sixty? I thought it was a fifty five high, but 332 00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:36.920 I apologize to them if it's not true. Yeah, because you know, 333 00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:41.559 it seems like he's kind of like being slotted into their top ten like right 334 00:27:41.599 --> 00:27:45.400 away, which you know that it makes it so much easier to value him 335 00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:49.680 if you know that, you know, you know, pre draft, and 336 00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:53.319 you can kind of if you're in a league where you could get that pick, 337 00:27:53.720 --> 00:27:59.000 you know that you can kind of guess what you would what you would 338 00:27:59.039 --> 00:28:00.839 give, you know, and that would be a lot, you know. 339 00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:06.160 So yeah, and I mean, Jared, I guess you can talk about 340 00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:11.480 the Orioles development process and how rock solid that has been to date. You 341 00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:15.519 guys are getting very close to Jink's territories. I'm glad he pulled it back. 342 00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:23.119 Av Lee Rushman, best oriole Ever or best player ever. Yes, 343 00:28:26.960 --> 00:28:32.400 yeah, so you know, I think you've talked a little bit about you 344 00:28:32.519 --> 00:28:37.400 know, I think pictures that you wouldn't draft any from this year, you 345 00:28:37.480 --> 00:28:42.160 know. I like, for me, I've kind of like Alcmanoa just because 346 00:28:42.200 --> 00:28:47.759 I can imagine a world where he is a number one starter, but only 347 00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:52.079 in certain leagues, I think, right, you know, and somebody like 348 00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:57.480 Nicolo dlo I would say appeals to me less even though he's a more complete 349 00:28:57.559 --> 00:29:03.599 prospect. Let's say, um, just because you know, I think like 350 00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:07.559 you, I think we look for upside and volatility is kind of a plus 351 00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:15.559 for us some degree. Um, are there any other uh players later in 352 00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:19.319 the draft. So I guess you mentioned Corbyn Carroll as a player drafted later 353 00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:25.279 who kind of did make your board. Yeah, I don't know much like 354 00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:30.680 I'm just going off of rankings basically basically, Um, but like from from 355 00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:33.960 the profiles I read, it sounded like that's kind of like a profile that 356 00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:38.519 would would work in scoresheet, Like a center fielder you know, who can 357 00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:45.440 hit low strikeouts, you know, gets on base, um, good speed, 358 00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:48.079 you know that. That seems like that's something that could work in scoresheet. 359 00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:55.119 Um, sorry, I agree, it felt like about yeah, um 360 00:29:55.920 --> 00:30:03.160 yeah, yeah, Vaughn Is I can't really figure out Fawn. Um I 361 00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:07.079 would take him second and an Al I think, um, you know, 362 00:30:07.279 --> 00:30:11.599 just based off you know, kind of gambling that like the bat, would 363 00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:18.519 you know really really play Um? You know yeah, because with I think 364 00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:21.920 you're waiting, you're waiting probably a year or two more, and you know, 365 00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:23.880 you don't know what you're going to get, you know, in terms 366 00:30:23.920 --> 00:30:26.920 of batting average. You know, you're gonna get some power. And it 367 00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:30.839 sounds like he's gonna stick at short stop. But you know, maybe in 368 00:30:30.920 --> 00:30:36.720 that time you could find another like that's you could probably find that profile, 369 00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:40.759 I think, you know, somewhere in the minors. But right, you 370 00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:45.720 know, especially with I feel like Latin American short stops are kind of your 371 00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:51.319 specialty. Uh. And you know, I think a lot of them have 372 00:30:52.119 --> 00:30:59.039 profiles that appeal to you and are probably much less coveted. Yeah, I 373 00:30:59.079 --> 00:31:03.720 think they're under rank because I feel like, you know, someone coming out 374 00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:07.839 of Latin America, you know, they get some DSL stats, but you 375 00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:14.599 know, I don't think anyone really knows how to translate that into into like 376 00:31:14.839 --> 00:31:19.079 miners or or or or what that would look like in the majors. So 377 00:31:19.559 --> 00:31:23.359 you're kind of going off of maybe one or two analysts that maybe have seen 378 00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:30.079 them, right. Yeah. And and also the bonus, which is kind 379 00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:36.119 of like, right, yeah, it's a very strange way of like evaluating 380 00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:40.480 a player based on how much money it took to get him on board. 381 00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:42.680 But you know, and and and even that's kind of like, you know, 382 00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:47.160 like Adrian Ron, don't you know, I think he was paid a 383 00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:49.559 lot, you know, in a bonus, but he hasn't done anything, 384 00:31:49.960 --> 00:31:56.559 and um, yeah, we sure had him on a team. But Andrew 385 00:31:56.599 --> 00:32:01.200 Vron is really interesting to me because you know, they're is this like dichotomy 386 00:32:01.240 --> 00:32:06.039 between real life value and scoresheet value, which is probably different than real life 387 00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:10.319 value and fantasy value, which can be like extremely skewed, but you know, 388 00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:15.880 in scoresheet, I feel like non elite right right, First baseman is 389 00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:22.079 just not a profile that I love having on our team. And you know, 390 00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:27.440 if that is at all a downside of Andrew Vaughn, then that's almost 391 00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:32.079 I don't want to say unplayable, but like I kind of feel like, 392 00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:37.359 you know, we're the last couple of years. So first baseman who can 393 00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:45.359 hit is actually like an under under appreciated asset. Like hum, I guess 394 00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:49.920 there was the year where everyone hit and then that, but like I mean, 395 00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:52.440 coming into this year, there was a list where like Evan White was 396 00:32:52.519 --> 00:32:58.839 above your Don Alvarez, and like I just that was one that kind of 397 00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:04.799 I couldn't understand, Like I don't understand, like like you're Don Alvarez coming 398 00:33:04.839 --> 00:33:07.079 through the miners, he was probably one of the best fifth five or six 399 00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:10.359 hitters, you know in the miners, you know, coming into this year, 400 00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:15.400 and you know Evan White's, you know, his profile was like he's 401 00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:20.640 a really good fielder at first base, right, and we don't know if 402 00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:24.680 he'll hit. So I kind of feel like the first baseman that can hit 403 00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:30.960 and is going to hit a lot is something that gets undervalued by those lists. 404 00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:36.480 So so your feeling is that, like the difference between a first base 405 00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:39.720 prospect and Andrew Von might be enough to make him the second best prospect on 406 00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:45.319 the board. Yeah, I think, like, yeah, I could the 407 00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:49.000 way that Andrew Von if he if he does turn out, the way that 408 00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:51.880 he's going to hit is going to be. It seems like it's gonna be 409 00:33:51.880 --> 00:33:54.160 a lot of walks, not a lot of strikeouts, and a lot of 410 00:33:54.200 --> 00:33:59.119 power. Yeah, and that's gonna work great in score sheet. So it 411 00:33:59.240 --> 00:34:04.279 reminds me of like the way I missed personally on like Chris Bryant because I 412 00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:08.039 thought, like, you know, okay, good college hitter, and I 413 00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:12.320 think the position was kind of a question at that point, right, like 414 00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:16.079 maybe he's a little overrated, but good college hitter and like amazing college hitter 415 00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:22.679 is a pretty past gap. Yeah. Um, and so I'm curious about 416 00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:29.880 you know, so I feel like the draft is also you mentioned Bobby with 417 00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:37.280 there CJ Abrahms M. Certainly there were a number of other high school shortstops. 418 00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:39.960 Uh that this seems to be a font of like high school shortstops. 419 00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:46.119 Um do you do you kind of wait and see on those guys? Yeah? 420 00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:52.360 I any like outside of that, like top five, I feel like 421 00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:55.679 you can wait and see, um, you know, and you can get 422 00:34:55.719 --> 00:34:59.519 a little better feel of what you're what you're getting. You know, if 423 00:34:59.559 --> 00:35:02.320 you kind wait until the last draft, you know, to pick those guys 424 00:35:02.440 --> 00:35:07.360 up, because you'll get you can get some rookie league stats. Maybe even 425 00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:10.159 like if someone gets placed in you know, low a ball, you can 426 00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:15.760 get some stats there. Um. But it kind of gives you a feel 427 00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:20.679 of you know, where they are and maybe maybe even their ETA because like 428 00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:23.360 if the if if they get up to low a ball, you know that 429 00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:30.039 they're they're moving a little bit faster than normal, right, And I guess 430 00:35:30.199 --> 00:35:36.679 that's where you can see a player, you know again, like let's say 431 00:35:36.719 --> 00:35:44.639 Tyler Freeman who is starting to like hit the ball at a level that above 432 00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:51.719 his draft status, let's say, right at a young age. And you 433 00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:54.639 know, so I think you might be earlier on some of the second rounders. 434 00:35:57.559 --> 00:36:00.719 Yeah, I used, Yeah, I kind of would wait until when 435 00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:06.960 I I have that sheet that ranks players based on minor league minor league results. 436 00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:12.159 So that's kind of what I'm going off of for the last last draft. 437 00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:16.760 You know, who pops out and by then it's usually like who is 438 00:36:17.199 --> 00:36:21.719 whoever in the rookie league or in an you know, short season ball is 439 00:36:22.119 --> 00:36:25.159 really hitting, you know, ahead of their age, right, I'm imagining 440 00:36:25.400 --> 00:36:31.360 um like Jaron Duran, who actually I think he's not hitting particularly basically ahead 441 00:36:31.360 --> 00:36:35.199 of his age, but like these kind of pop up guys who are coming 442 00:36:35.239 --> 00:36:38.719 out of the draft and like you see some scales right away. Yeah, 443 00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:44.119 well Jared Duran, I I didn't really know what to think until today, 444 00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:47.760 when I think Baseball America put out an updated top one hundred and they had 445 00:36:47.840 --> 00:36:53.000 him as like a seventy hit, a sixty power and a seventy run like 446 00:36:53.280 --> 00:37:00.519 it just like insane stats, you know, insane scouting grades. So yeah, 447 00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:04.920 I was kind of someone drafted, uh Jared Duran to have me in 448 00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:07.039 the draft that we just did. Yes, yeah, I was. I 449 00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:12.360 was not happy about that one. Yeah, but like, okay, so 450 00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:16.440 if you put a couple seventies like that'll play. Yeah, and even the 451 00:37:16.679 --> 00:37:21.559 like, you know, the seventy field is a really good sign for score 452 00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:25.079 Sheet as well, right, even if in center. I feel like center 453 00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:30.639 field in particular takes a little while to adjust to the majors just because of 454 00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:35.840 some of the vicissitudes of the way score Sheet measures defense. I don't know, 455 00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:39.480 I'm not even sure that he will get to Like that's a that's a 456 00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:44.440 hard outfield to get to center field in you know. Yeah, well that's 457 00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:47.280 a hard outfield not to end up on the Royals to be true. Yeah, 458 00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:52.559 but yeah, I definitely see what you mean. Like, if he 459 00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:59.280 does play, it'll probably be as a fourth outfield or moving around spotting in 460 00:37:59.559 --> 00:38:01.480 and those kind of players end up with two point one two two point one 461 00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:07.280 three defense no matter how good they are. Yeah, And so I mean 462 00:38:07.360 --> 00:38:10.039 that's the thing with center field prospects is that you're not going to get the 463 00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:15.679 high center field rating right away. So like like Christian Pace, you know, 464 00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:20.519 you know, he's going to get a great center field rating eventually, 465 00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:23.400 so right, I think that's a situation where you just kind of have to 466 00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:28.840 sit and wait a little bit for the for the rating to come right where 467 00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:32.400 you eat it for a year and then then you get like a two point 468 00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:37.159 twenty or something like that that you know is going to blow everyone away. 469 00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:40.800 So right, unless they keep like a Kuonians like you know, sometimes they 470 00:38:42.559 --> 00:38:45.840 it takes a couple of years to both the center field or to center field 471 00:38:46.280 --> 00:38:51.840 based on political reasons too, So you know, I feel like sometimes that 472 00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:54.880 is a little tricky with the prospect. But yeah, like like you said, 473 00:38:54.920 --> 00:38:59.679 if it's if the fielding is there, it'll play at a certain point, 474 00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:07.360 right. Um So, I have monopolized time. Any any questions from 475 00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:17.280 our team based on what you heard everyone, Uh, nothing to do with 476 00:39:19.039 --> 00:39:22.199 any sort of real life example that I can think of, But how do 477 00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:27.239 you stay engaged with one of your teams that it's in the taking phase and 478 00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:31.119 they're on pace for forty wins or something? Heady stay engaged or that great 479 00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:37.719 question? Special team? Um So, I mean, the only way you're 480 00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:43.480 going to get better is through the supplementals. So you know, usually I 481 00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:46.159 pay more attention to the supplementals in that league than any other league, you 482 00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:50.800 know, if I'm if I'm rebuilding, those are the those are the ones 483 00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:52.280 I'm kind of focused, you know, more on, you know, who 484 00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:54.800 am I going to get in the supplemental where they where are they going to 485 00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:58.760 fit it in? And you know, am I going to be able to 486 00:39:58.840 --> 00:40:02.199 keep these players? You know next year? So I actually, you know, 487 00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:06.440 for nor Cal, I think I spent a lot more time trying to 488 00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:09.880 figure out, you know what I'm what I'm going to do there than than 489 00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:15.880 any of my other leagues. Yeah, and just to feel this one as 490 00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:20.000 well, Like I have to say, like we have we're in five leagues 491 00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:22.880 this year, and the one team of ours that is uh, I wouldn't 492 00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:29.360 say tanking. Obviously the players are performing their harness about their generals commitment to 493 00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:34.519 winning. Uh, tanking, You're such a loaded word. Um, but 494 00:40:34.760 --> 00:40:39.880 that team is the one that I check immediately too. Like so much of 495 00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:45.840 it is, like like you said, just kind of the anticipation of you 496 00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:50.719 know, okay, we have eight really volatile potential top end prospects, like 497 00:40:51.159 --> 00:40:52.000 do we keep all of them? You know, how are they going to 498 00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:55.199 do? Isn't that also because you want to figure out whether you can give 499 00:40:55.239 --> 00:40:58.920 me grief about having the team win games that we don't want them to win. 500 00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:04.079 Is that just Jared? Because I know that's what Jared does. I 501 00:41:04.119 --> 00:41:07.400 don't even have to check the email for that King's team. Jared just gives 502 00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:12.079 it away to me. Yeah. Well, and guilty has charged. I 503 00:41:12.159 --> 00:41:14.760 mean, it's funny. I think it's do you do you guys find that, 504 00:41:14.880 --> 00:41:17.840 Like you go into the to the score sheet for that team and like, 505 00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:22.320 how did this team win a game? You know? Yeah? Yeah, 506 00:41:23.559 --> 00:41:28.000 I mean and there's been games that picture Triple A one that we were 507 00:41:28.079 --> 00:41:31.440 like this, yeah, there's all kinds of absurdies. That team hasn't won 508 00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:37.679 very many games, and they were all interesting. Yeah, and then all 509 00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:40.360 of a sudden, like there are moments where like, uh, for one 510 00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:44.119 of our teams, like we drafted a starting pitcher, and then all of 511 00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:46.760 a sudden, like the team started winning games. Because once every five days, 512 00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:51.679 it's like, oh, yeah, because we have a starting pitcher that 513 00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:57.119 helps um, But no, I feel like uh, like like you, 514 00:41:57.320 --> 00:42:02.320 I would say, um, being able to hit on the supplementals is just 515 00:42:02.719 --> 00:42:09.079 a real a real joy, Like I felt like a you know, the 516 00:42:09.239 --> 00:42:15.960 first supplemental we had. Our first pick was Trent Thornton, which was good 517 00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:20.599 at the time, and with the last pick, forty eight pick of the 518 00:42:20.599 --> 00:42:23.280 first round, I took Nikki Lopez, which was like a Tom Cunningham sort 519 00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:28.400 special. Um doesn't have enough power. Wasn't great, but you know, 520 00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:32.920 is playing right at the major league level may have trade value if a team 521 00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:38.679 has nobody in the short stop. Um. So you know, I think 522 00:42:38.840 --> 00:42:45.000 being able to, like I guess, position your team for the future and 523 00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:52.400 perhaps trade away players who are only somewhat valuable is part of the fun. 524 00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:57.320 I suppose YEA, So no, go ahead. I was gonna say that's 525 00:42:57.320 --> 00:43:00.159 sayways nicely with the question that I wanted to ask Tom, is you know, 526 00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:04.519 we've talked a lot about, you know, if you decide that you're 527 00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:07.760 going to rebuild, how do you approach that for this season? But I'd 528 00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:12.519 be curious to hear you talk a little bit about how that process evolves into 529 00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:15.199 actually contending at some point. You know, Ian made a joke earlier that 530 00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:20.039 your teams are sort of either winning thirty games or winning one hundred and ten 531 00:43:20.119 --> 00:43:22.519 games, And we've mostly talked about, you know, which prospects you're looking 532 00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:25.320 for and all that kind of stuff, And I think that's helpful to people. 533 00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:34.079 But I think the trick that the differentiator really between the people that party 534 00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:37.719 that strategy and actual contenders is being able to make that transition and figuring out 535 00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:45.000 the right or at least all of the possible feasible ways to do that. 536 00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:46.480 So I'd be here. It curious to hear you talk about that a little 537 00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:52.880 bit. So I feel like managing the ETAs on the prospects, you know, 538 00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:57.599 you got it, that's something you really actably have to do. Like 539 00:43:57.719 --> 00:44:00.000 one of the trades I made this this this soft season, Like I traded 540 00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:07.159 Bobichette for Raphael divers Um and that was like purposefully to get another bat so 541 00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:10.760 that in twenty twenty I would have someone with a lot of you know, 542 00:44:12.159 --> 00:44:16.519 with with experience and who might have made the jump in twenty nineteen, um, 543 00:44:17.079 --> 00:44:22.239 rather than Bobishett who like maybe you know he's gonna debut sometime this year, 544 00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:27.000 but you know, I don't know, you know whether he'll be held 545 00:44:27.079 --> 00:44:31.519 down again next year, you know, before the deadline. So um, 546 00:44:32.239 --> 00:44:37.159 I feel I feel like you gotta kind of you want everyone to arrive at 547 00:44:37.239 --> 00:44:40.920 kind of around the same time. So so if you have some players you 548 00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:45.440 know that are kind of lagging behind, you might want to maybe think about 549 00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:49.599 trading them for for an asset that's gonna help you, you know now, 550 00:44:50.920 --> 00:44:55.960 um yeah, and like relays that, like when do you say, Okay, 551 00:44:57.000 --> 00:44:59.880 maybe it's time to cut bait on this player who is still young for 552 00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:07.239 level, but you know the performance might not be there yet. I guess 553 00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:10.039 during the protection phase is kind of when you have to feel that out. 554 00:45:10.760 --> 00:45:16.280 Um yeah. And and by the time that, you know, by the 555 00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:20.960 time protection rolls around, you kind of have a better idea of, um, 556 00:45:21.400 --> 00:45:25.360 you know where the prospect right prospect ranks because you've seen all the top 557 00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:29.760 one hundreds. You know, usually we have the you know for the mock 558 00:45:29.880 --> 00:45:32.239 draft, we we haven't seen the top hundreds. You know, we're kind 559 00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:37.639 of guessing there. But um but by the time protection rolls around, you 560 00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:42.519 know, um where the prospect ranks, and you kind of also know sometimes 561 00:45:42.679 --> 00:45:45.239 you know where they're gonna be slotted in the minor league system. So um, 562 00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:50.119 you know, you would know that they're going to double A or maybe 563 00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:52.679 triple A. You know, based on sprint training results. You know, 564 00:45:52.760 --> 00:45:58.800 you could probably guess that. Um so I kind of think cutting bait is 565 00:45:58.880 --> 00:46:01.599 you know, is around the protection phase, and that that's when I would 566 00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:05.639 try to kind of sell someone, you know, I would try to sell 567 00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:12.760 my you know, the extras around then yeah, yeah, and then try 568 00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:16.320 and I like try not to keep anybody who you could draft with that same 569 00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:23.599 pick that you get up to, yes, which is always tricky because you 570 00:46:23.679 --> 00:46:29.159 know, I feel like if you're of this bent, which I certainly am, 571 00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:32.440 you know there is sometimes you follow up with the prospect or you've been 572 00:46:32.519 --> 00:46:37.840 nursing Sin's eighteen, right, and you also on the converse of that, 573 00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:42.320 like make sure you protect the guy that you you know, and don't spend 574 00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:45.880 a higher pick than you know you would have if you like, if you're 575 00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:49.519 in a standard score sheet league and you can protect a guy at twenty six, 576 00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:52.079 don't you know, don't let him go and then you know two weeks 577 00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:55.760 later, Um, you know, the depth charts change and you know he's 578 00:46:57.000 --> 00:47:00.760 he's you know, moving up, you know, and you have to draft 579 00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:02.800 him with a twenty two. That's not that's not a movie you want to 580 00:47:02.840 --> 00:47:07.280 make either, A right. I have done that, and I feel too 581 00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:15.159 horrified whatever that happens. Yeah, like oops, um or any other any 582 00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:20.400 other questions I do you want to that was the main one I want to 583 00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:25.480 ask. Thanks Tom, I think that's helpful. Um yeah, yeah, 584 00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:30.400 darn anything from you. No, okay, I'm good, thank you all 585 00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:35.239 right. UM So we don't ordinarily ask this of guests, but since you 586 00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:39.760 are an act actual listener, which again God bless, I'm surprised thatst thing 587 00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:43.719 I saw this week best thing I saw this week? Yes, I have 588 00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:47.199 one. Okay, so, um my son and I we uh my nine 589 00:47:47.280 --> 00:47:53.320 year old um his cub scout pack um slept over in the outfield of McCoy 590 00:47:53.400 --> 00:48:00.960 Stadium this this uh, this Saturday night. Um So it just happened that 591 00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:06.199 Williams Sasadio got sent down to the miners on Friday. Um so I got 592 00:48:06.239 --> 00:48:13.400 to see williams Astadio um um on Saturday night, and and everything off of 593 00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:16.039 his bat was a rocket. He. I don't know why he's in the 594 00:48:16.119 --> 00:48:23.039 miners right now. So maybe because everybody on the Twins is slugging six fifty. 595 00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:29.679 Yeah, but that's amazing. Uh. McCoy Stadium one of the few 596 00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:34.079 not a ton of minor egues names that we haven't been to at this point, 597 00:48:35.079 --> 00:48:38.159 and obviously it is going away at the end of this year. I 598 00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:42.880 think, yeah, that's another reason that we wanted to do the sleep over 599 00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:46.639 this year because it's they're moving. So yeah, and we've been to Wester 600 00:48:46.880 --> 00:48:52.960 and I'll sleep in the docket. Take my chance, is there? Sorry 601 00:48:52.000 --> 00:49:00.840 Wester h but no, that sounds amazing and I hope, I hope Williams 602 00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:07.840 Sado was everything you hoped for physically, visually and more. He actually, 603 00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:14.039 um they do. Do you remember when when Randall Simon punched the I think 604 00:49:14.079 --> 00:49:17.039 it was like a president that was running around the track. I believe it 605 00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:22.239 would be one of the racing sausages. Yes, so they had they had 606 00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:28.159 racing eyeballs that was like sponsored by like some local optometrist. So there was 607 00:49:28.239 --> 00:49:32.440 like a green eyeball, like a green eyeball, blue eyeball, and a 608 00:49:32.480 --> 00:49:37.199 brown eyeball that were running around the track and it was a race and Williams 609 00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:45.719 Astadio came out and punched one of the one of the eyeballs. All right. 610 00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:50.400 With that story, we become the number one Williams Asadio podcast on the 611 00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:54.760 Internet. That is amazing. I just looked up raising eyeballs. Holy count 612 00:49:54.840 --> 00:50:05.920 this is frightening. I have a thousand questions right now. Um oh my 613 00:50:06.039 --> 00:50:09.960 god. Uh yeah, no, this is what my nightmare looks like every 614 00:50:10.079 --> 00:50:17.760 night. It's really really disconcerting and good on. Williams asked, I guess 615 00:50:17.880 --> 00:50:22.639 did he connect. I don't think he did, like a full Randall simon 616 00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:28.000 to the eyeball, but like he did like the eyeball that he got into 617 00:50:28.039 --> 00:50:31.880 it with definitely lost. Do you think it is because a giant ball was 618 00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:37.440 coming at him and he couldn't not swing. So so the one other thing 619 00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:40.639 I want to like. I was telling my son that, like, here's 620 00:50:40.639 --> 00:50:44.559 this guy. This we want to I want to see this guy. Williams 621 00:50:44.599 --> 00:50:50.000 asked the deal because this guy he swings at everything and he never strikes out 622 00:50:50.079 --> 00:50:53.440 and he never walks. So I'm in the middle of telling him this and 623 00:50:53.679 --> 00:51:01.679 Williams asked, A deal takes two pitches and at his way, Dad, 624 00:51:01.800 --> 00:51:13.360 You're you're raw the moment your son larns about the fallibility of adults. All 625 00:51:13.480 --> 00:51:16.599 right, Uh from the home crowd. Any best things you saw this week? 626 00:51:16.679 --> 00:51:20.320 Man? Yeah? Do you want me to go next? Sorry? 627 00:51:20.480 --> 00:51:24.960 Yeah, am I the home crowd. I don't even Yeah. So the 628 00:51:27.079 --> 00:51:32.079 Women's World Cup started recently, and um, I know Jared's the residents soccer 629 00:51:32.159 --> 00:51:38.159 buff, but I guess I'm the local women's sports advocate or whatever I know. 630 00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:43.679 Um So, there was an interesting game where the US team scored a 631 00:51:43.719 --> 00:51:49.039 bunch of goals against Thailand. I believe it was uh and was face some 632 00:51:50.079 --> 00:51:54.199 yeah, face face some criticism for the way that they handled the decision to 633 00:51:54.400 --> 00:51:59.559 score those goals, I guess, and also the way that they celebrated when 634 00:51:59.559 --> 00:52:05.079 they scored those goals. And so I guess I'm just sort of here to 635 00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:09.079 make sure that people that like sports, are especially soccer fans, are tuning 636 00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:15.199 into the Women's World Cup, and also I guess to advocate for letting them 637 00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:19.800 play and making sure that you sort of check your assumptions about how you evaluate, 638 00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:24.920 you know, celebrations in general, but obviously across different types of people 639 00:52:25.039 --> 00:52:30.440 in terms of their gender or race or anything like that. And there's one 640 00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:32.960 thing that I read that really resonated with me about I think as Alex Morgan 641 00:52:34.039 --> 00:52:37.360 said that, you know, I think a lot of the criticism that they 642 00:52:37.400 --> 00:52:40.679 got was that it was a little bit rude or you know, disrespectful to 643 00:52:40.760 --> 00:52:44.960 run the score up, And she was saying basically like it would have been 644 00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:47.639 rude to let up on them and not play the best that they could. 645 00:52:49.199 --> 00:52:52.960 That would have been like, you know, underestimating or sort of disrespecting the 646 00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:57.000 opponent in a more fundamental way. And I think, at least in terms 647 00:52:57.039 --> 00:53:01.880 of like the athletic endeavors that I engage anymore, I think that's exactly how 648 00:53:01.920 --> 00:53:07.400 I feel too, And so it was I think compelling to see Alex Morgan 649 00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:10.679 present that perspective, and I think that's something that carries over into baseball, 650 00:53:10.679 --> 00:53:16.760 obviously with all the unwritten rules hogwash. Probably number two of my best things 651 00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:22.440 would have been the recent Stanley Cup final win for the Not Boston team, 652 00:53:23.320 --> 00:53:28.440 But number three would have been the Max Muncy line about Madison Bumgardner going to 653 00:53:28.480 --> 00:53:31.400 get the ball out of the bay. And and I think, like you 654 00:53:31.480 --> 00:53:36.840 know, that Max Muncy masson Bumgarner thing is a good example of something that 655 00:53:36.880 --> 00:53:39.679 a lot of people have said, where, you know, the picture shouldn't 656 00:53:39.679 --> 00:53:43.920 be getting quite so upset about hitters being excited that they hit a home run. 657 00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:49.199 First of all, because the picture you know, suffering the you know, 658 00:53:49.559 --> 00:53:52.480 having given up the home run in the first place. But it's also 659 00:53:52.519 --> 00:53:55.079 a sign of respect from the hitter that they'd be excited that they hit the 660 00:53:55.119 --> 00:53:59.199 home run off of the guy, So you know, take it as sort 661 00:53:59.199 --> 00:54:00.679 of a compliment that it's worth getting excited that he hit a home run off 662 00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:05.800 of you, and you know, do your best to win next time. 663 00:54:06.199 --> 00:54:08.119 Um. You know, I think it's like the baseball carry over there, 664 00:54:09.880 --> 00:54:16.960 tinn it back a little bit. Um, yeah, right, I did. 665 00:54:17.119 --> 00:54:23.440 I did appreciate mastert Bumgarner though, taking a stand for like crotchety everywhere. 666 00:54:23.800 --> 00:54:31.320 This is who I am. Let me play by like whining about kids 667 00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:38.920 today. Um yeah, I think the women's team makes sports more fun and 668 00:54:39.679 --> 00:54:45.559 Max Munsey makes baseball more fun. So pro fun Yeah, yeah fun. 669 00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:49.960 Um, Jared, I suspect we may have a similar best thing we saw 670 00:54:50.039 --> 00:54:57.000 this week, So do you want to go first? Um? Yeah, 671 00:54:57.159 --> 00:55:00.360 because I don't have much of a story, so maybe you have a story 672 00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:02.519 from it. So the best thing I saw this week was you and also 673 00:55:02.599 --> 00:55:07.480 Austin, Texas, where we were together. So the two of us went 674 00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:15.320 to a television festival, which is a thing that cannot be explained. No 675 00:55:15.400 --> 00:55:21.199 matter how hard we try, I have failed many times. So I'll just 676 00:55:21.280 --> 00:55:25.239 say it is a festival in Austin where a bunch of television is screened. 677 00:55:25.480 --> 00:55:30.519 There are a number of panels. I thought it was really interesting and entertaining. 678 00:55:30.599 --> 00:55:34.559 I would recommend it to anyone who does not feel weird and out by 679 00:55:34.639 --> 00:55:37.679 that. And I don't know if you have a good story, so I'll 680 00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:43.880 let you end because I don't have a story. I will say the highlight 681 00:55:44.079 --> 00:55:49.559 or the premier show of the festival was Veronica Mars, which is a show 682 00:55:49.639 --> 00:55:52.960 that is returning to Hulu, and as mentioned a couple times, it is 683 00:55:53.039 --> 00:55:59.239 something that is it was tremendously important and formative to me in terms of the 684 00:55:59.320 --> 00:56:04.079 way it made me feel culturally. Um, I think the way in which 685 00:56:04.719 --> 00:56:13.440 it kind of also, I would say opened up space for uh, the 686 00:56:13.599 --> 00:56:19.519 way female ly characters, the way women can behave on television, and um, 687 00:56:19.960 --> 00:56:23.440 it was a line that you shared in from the interview. Oh I 688 00:56:23.599 --> 00:56:30.960 don't yeah that. Um, you know. The the PG version, which 689 00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:36.000 is the one I will I will use, is that she didn't have superpowers 690 00:56:36.119 --> 00:56:42.079 the way like Buffy did. That she couldn't um, you know, kill 691 00:56:42.199 --> 00:56:47.800 vampires or she wasn't like a spy and her superpower was that she could have 692 00:56:49.159 --> 00:56:55.920 the confidence to tell men to flip off. So yeah, I think that 693 00:56:57.119 --> 00:57:00.079 was a real Uh. It was a real wonder and it was great to 694 00:57:00.159 --> 00:57:05.159 see a bunch of people who were inspired by that kind of behavior and who 695 00:57:05.360 --> 00:57:07.480 like a good mystery story once in a while. So I was delied by 696 00:57:07.519 --> 00:57:12.039 that. Jared, do you have any takeaways? I? Yeah, I 697 00:57:12.119 --> 00:57:13.960 have a story. I don't know if you're gonna like it, though, 698 00:57:14.159 --> 00:57:19.480 so are you sure you can? I would like to add the podcast here. 699 00:57:21.760 --> 00:57:24.440 Um, but first I'll say if if Williams asked to punch an eyeball, 700 00:57:24.480 --> 00:57:30.239 he probably just cured of a stigmatism. Um. In response to Ben, 701 00:57:30.960 --> 00:57:32.599 Uh, you guys will not be surprised to learn that I am not 702 00:57:32.719 --> 00:57:37.079 winning in my Women's World cup pool at work. And Ben, if you 703 00:57:37.239 --> 00:57:39.039 I'm sure you have already, but if you haven't read about it, like 704 00:57:39.199 --> 00:57:44.280 the labor issue stuff surrounding the women's team and what they're doing, it's kind 705 00:57:44.320 --> 00:57:49.519 of fascinating, so you should beat up on that. Um. But specifically 706 00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:54.679 yeah, okay, and like what they did to get their like licensing rights 707 00:57:54.719 --> 00:57:58.559 back and what they're doing with is it's cool. Yeah, I'll check it 708 00:57:58.559 --> 00:58:05.679 out. Um. So the best thing that I saw in texts well, 709 00:58:05.719 --> 00:58:07.480 along with the panels that we went to a lot of there are a lot 710 00:58:07.480 --> 00:58:10.599 of funny people. Those are probably actually the best thing, but um was 711 00:58:10.760 --> 00:58:21.519 the destruction of one of Ian's closest friendships over this podcast. What and so 712 00:58:21.639 --> 00:58:23.920 getting me in stopped me at any time? If you're comfortable with this, 713 00:58:24.039 --> 00:58:28.280 I mean I wasn't before the story started. I just let it ride. 714 00:58:29.840 --> 00:58:31.159 Well I think, I mean, there's no details now, so we can 715 00:58:31.960 --> 00:58:37.960 we can stop, but we we UM. We went to Austin with one 716 00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:43.440 of Ian's friends, Um, who in her mind was a close friend of 717 00:58:43.440 --> 00:58:49.840 Ian. UM, and we were waiting in line before one of the panels 718 00:58:50.599 --> 00:58:57.119 UM and she remarked on the fact that it seemed like everyone at this festival 719 00:58:57.760 --> 00:59:01.880 had their own podcast except for the three of us US, at which point 720 00:59:01.920 --> 00:59:04.920 she turned to me because I just met her a few days ago, and 721 00:59:05.000 --> 00:59:06.400 she's like, well, well, Jared, you do you don't have a 722 00:59:06.440 --> 00:59:09.599 podcast to you? And so I was like, well, maybe maybe you 723 00:59:09.840 --> 00:59:19.199 talk with you about this. That's great, and so yeah, I watched 724 00:59:19.840 --> 00:59:22.119 what it seemed to be a deep and meaningful friendship and plode right in front 725 00:59:22.159 --> 00:59:30.440 of me. And yes, the horrid shame of others is harnessed myself, 726 00:59:30.519 --> 00:59:35.639 which is not very far, you know it is. I kind of like 727 00:59:35.719 --> 00:59:38.480 a church and state relationship with this, you know, I like having a 728 00:59:38.519 --> 00:59:43.199 baseball world in a real world. And the more they cross over, the 729 00:59:44.079 --> 00:59:46.440 uh, you know, it was strange. I don't want to talk about 730 00:59:46.440 --> 00:59:52.079 my real life on here. So either you're saying it's your fault that your 731 00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:55.039 friends don't know you have a podcast because you don't tell them. Yeah, 732 00:59:55.400 --> 01:00:01.679 yeah, that would be the big takeaway. And as already fortified, So 733 01:00:05.079 --> 01:00:07.280 do you think she's listening to this episode and Jared telling this story right now? 734 01:00:08.840 --> 01:00:13.559 I hope no way. She made it an hour into the podcast? 735 01:00:14.400 --> 01:00:15.800 Do I have to tell my family now? All right, Well, we'll 736 01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:20.559 talk about this later. Until then, Tom, I want to thank you 737 01:00:20.719 --> 01:00:25.559 for especially staying for this part, which God knows why. I know who 738 01:00:25.639 --> 01:00:31.559 your next guest has to be. Now, okay, that's a fair button. 739 01:00:32.559 --> 01:00:37.719 I appreciate that. Um. The thing is that would probably end up 740 01:00:37.719 --> 01:00:45.599 being an all musical podcast, and I have learned we can't do this well 741 01:00:46.159 --> 01:00:52.119 yeah, um but Tom, thank you so much. It was a delight 742 01:00:52.239 --> 01:00:58.920 having you. Hopefully our listeners found the same. Um, and I guess 743 01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:04.000 the best way to follow you is to follow your decision making and then the 744 01:01:04.119 --> 01:01:07.239 mock draft in the off season. Is that fair? Sounds good? Yeah? 745 01:01:07.840 --> 01:01:10.920 Okay, so I'll be happy and I'm behalfy Ben Murphy and Jared Wise, 746 01:01:12.119 --> 01:01:14.239 I'm in Leftwitz. Thanks again and have a great day.