The following presentation is Del Marvis Studio's production. Welcome back truth seekers from around
the world. It's time for another edition of the flat Earth Files podcast.
I hope this finds you well. I hope everybody had a great weekend.
Actually, as we record, it's Tuesday afternoon, around one pm Eastern time,
five days prior to this airing, and it's just been a beautiful day,
as Abigail and I were talking before we hit the record button, so
I hope everybody had a great week as well. Before we get started,
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like you have to write them down. All right, without any further ado,
let's get to today's special guest and it's Abigail. Abigail, how are
you doing today? Hi, George, I'm doing great. Thanks for having
me on. Yeah, thank you so much for joining me this afternoon.
I don't like you were saying, it's such an day and we had to
pull ourselves inside to do this interview today. But it's always great to have
this conversation with people, because you know, I'm sure it's the case maybe
with you, where most of us don't have a lot of friends locally in
person, to have this type of conversation with it's true. Yeah, I've
never actually done a podcast before, and I couldn't think of a better topic
to be talking about. Well, that's awesome. Well let's kick things off,
and please do introduce yourself to the audience. Yeah, my name is
Abigail. I live well, I don't know if I'm supposed to tell where
I live, but I'm in the Midwest, as George's too. But I'm
twenty nine. I recently got married this past August, and my husband and
I are actually expecting our first baby in this upcoming August. Wow. Congratulations,
thank you, And prior to that, I actually found Flat Earth about
I would say end of twenty twenty two, beginning of twenty twenty three,
and yeah, I mean should I kind of talk about that? Yeah,
feel free jump right in. Well, so a little background. I a
lot of my flat earth kind of beliefs and my faith tied together, so
I was actually an atheist most of my life. And then around twenty seventeen,
during my senior year of college, I started practicing yoga actually, and
I had like this huge spiritual awakening and I became very spiritual, very New
Age. Just anything under the sun in that realm was me. Like,
I think I just really clenched onto it. And so I was into like
the manifesting, the crystals, the even getting into like tarot cards and things
like that. And it wasn't until twenty twenty two in the summer. I
was living in California at the time, and I think I just reached a
breaking point. I was meditating one morning and I heard the voice of God
and I never went back. I ditched all of those practices and ended up
moving back to the Midwest, actually in with my grandparents. And I was
twenty seven at the time, so it wasn't exactly like where I wanted my
life to be, but I just was so like headset on this new journey.
I knew I was never going back to any other sort of lifestyle that
I did in the past. And a few months into that, you know,
I started reading the Bible for the first time, just really opening my
heart for God to transform me, and he definitely was. And I guess
part of that was being introduced to flat earth, and so it was kind
of one of those things like I never was had any exposure to the flat
earth ideas, never really crossed my mind, and I didn't really even hear
that many people talking about it. But of course I'm on TikTok and I
think it was George. I don't know if you know this creators at John
Truth, but one of his videos popped on my for you page, and
George, I'm sure you've seen the picture depicting like God's creation with the earth
and then the sky, the heavens above, separated by the waters above,
the firmament and of course the waters below and then the great deep at the
bottom. So that picture popped up in his video and like something like I
didn't even so, George, I know your story, you like when you
found out you said you couldn't sleep for like two weeks. I was pretty
out of whack for a couple of weeks. For me, I was just
like, oh, yep, arth flat like I just knew, Like I
just knew it. Like as you all know, a lot of people during
the COVID shutdown, which was just you know, the past two years before
the time period I'm talking about now, yep, raised a lot of questions
for a lot of people. People were starting to wake up. And even
though I wasn't woken up to God's truth, I definitely the second I saw
something on the news about the coronavirus, I was like, Oh, that's
like, what is this? Like, what are we doing now? So
I think that helped wake a lot of people up. And I know that's
how a lot of people kind of get into realizing the truth about the shape
of where we live and just the nature of where we live. Yeah,
I mean that's kind of like long story short. That's all great points.
So going back to your and again, congratulations, that's fantastic. We have
a lot of birthdays in our family in August, my anniversaries in August,
so good month. You said you were an atheist for most of your life.
So growing up, you never had any interactions in a church or anything
like that. Well, I was, so. I mentioned my grandparents are
very strong Christians. I know they kind of grew up with a Catholic background,
but they left the Catholic church back in like maybe two thousand, give
or take. So I was in like first grade or something. But my
family, my dad, moved us out to Michigan when I was like a
baby, so we weren't really close with them, and he didn't get along
with them, and I don't know, he had a lot of issues,
sure, and it was him that, you know, kind of would make
fun of them, tell me that, you know, they believe in this
imaginary life, and just kind of steered me away from him from God.
And it was clear that he had adopted like an atheist worldview. And even
though there were so many issues, like being young, you still kind of,
you know, want to follow your dad, sure, And I think
that had a big influence on me because it just kind of made me feel
like I was smarter, even from like I'm telling you, like elementary school,
middle school, like I started learning. He would read me books on
evolution and things like that, and I just thought I had like such an
upper hand for some reason, I didn't understand, like my grandparents always were
Christian, and I just don't I don't ever really recall. Maybe when I
was younger, I was open to God, but once I hit a certain
age, I was kind of like, you know, I didn't really believe
in it. And I think that was a big reason why. And I
just kind of like, I mean, obviously now I realized like science was
the religion that I adopted for various reasons. Also, like I mentioned,
with the issues with my dad and just like my family growing up, there
were a lot of like issues of like abuse and things like that going on
in my home. So I think that also kind of hardened my heart even
more. And yeah, I just kind of was like I don't need that,
and I kind of just thought it was something that people told themselves to
make themselves feel better, to be able to like live through life easier,
and that's what I thought. So I thought that way like through high school
into college. You know, I studied human biology and like was had a
very science heavy background, and I, yeah, I just kind of like
prided myself on it all the way up until my senior year of college,
like the end of my education, and I still believed in evolution, and
I still believed in science. Not that I don't believe in I still believe
in science, but there's a difference between like observable science and historical science,
so and scientism. Right, Yeah, So that kind of atheist in me
was very much prevalent until like age twenty one, and then age twenty one
through like twenty seven. Like I said, I was exploring spirituality and I
knew there was a God. But I think also aside from like my family
life, which I know that like the prayers of my grandparents and other people
in my family like helped me probably come to faith as well, because I
know they were like praying for me all the time, and that is evidence.
I can't tell you how there's such power and prayer there is such bad
there really is. Like when I came to Christ, they were just saying
how it was such an answer to prayer because they saw me, like they
saw me go through what I went through. And like after I graduated college,
like I didn't want to have anything to do with my home life,
and I just like kind of picked everything up and moved away to California and
lived there for a while, and the issues that I was avoiding from my
childhood just like kept repeating in my life as an adult, and I just
kept like getting knocked on my face over and over again. But yeah,
yeah, as I heard like the voice of Jesus, I was like,
oh wow, like I just it was like the scales that fall off your
eyes, and it just happened like so quickly for me, Like I know
it's different for everyone, but for me, it was like that one instance.
And then you know, moving in with my grandparents who were such strong,
so strong in their faith, I feel like they mentored me a lot.
You know, I got involved in church. I was reading my Bible,
praying, like repenting, praying, like just like everything, and I
felt like God was like changing the desires of my heart, like I just
like every church service everything. It was like, I don't know, He's
just so amazing he is. And that's such a wonderful story because I remember
reading your email that the deck was kind of stacked against you because at a
young age, like you just mentioned, your father was telling you that God
wasn't real. And then you go to elementary school and they taught you evolution,
and I'm assuming they probably talked about the big the Big Bang theory,
and you know, heliocentrism as well. Of course that's part of the standard
curriculum. And you prided yourself on your knowledge of science, and like you
said, it was your religion, and to come from that all the way
around to you know, like you said, hearing the voice of Jesus Christ,
never going back, and so many positive things happened, you know,
obviously the most important with Jesus, and then your family, your husband,
and the blessing with your pregnancy. Just how wonderful things have turned out.
I know, it's like he really turned my life around in that year of
surrendering to him, and I can't believe how fast he moved in my life.
Of course, it didn't always feel like it was instant, because a
year is a long time when you're going through it. But I mean I
was just praying, you know, I really had that desire to like become
a wife, have a husband, and I really wanted to have a family
and be able to you know, have that like under God and meet like
a husband that was a man of God. And he brought him to me
like and more. That's so amazing, and this is something I'm passionate about
education and my I did an interview last night and I said that our education
system needs to be completely overhauled. And this is just another example of how
you know, education system and teaching these things hide Scott, Yeah, it
really does. I feel really strongly about this, and it's a big reason
why I'm very much feeling pulled to homeschooling because like, how am I going?
Even Christian schools And I haven't done too too much research into this yet
because it's still a few years away for us, but I mean even Christian
schools and a lot of Christian churches they still believe in, you know,
the heliocentric model, which really doesn't make any any sense to me at this
point. And like I I know that you do a good job of this
too, of like you know, I was there once, you were there
once, of not really waking up to that information. But I mean with
all of the evidence, like all of the evidence in our physical world,
like physical experiments being done, and then also everything that the Bible says,
I don't they can't exist at the same time because one was created to completely
disprove the other. That's such an important point one hundred percent. And I
talk about and with my buddies and stuff, the challenges of having or having
your child being in church. You know, if you count Sunday school in
church, and even count on Wednesday night three hours a week at church versus
thirty hours a week at school, it's it's an uphill battle. And that's
why it's so important if you are going to send your child to a public
school. You know, obviously number one, be cognizant of what that they're
putting in your child's mind. And these things you can't get around, and
it's you know, it seems harden less on the outside, but you yourself
are and I've so many people that I've interviewed over the years are proof that
the education system is as much as a hindrance as a help. Yes,
And I think that's the point their point. You were actually the person that
kind of introduced a lot of the chronological history with like the hijacking of the
education system. And there's another there's some other resources that I saw, and
I really appreciated your podcast too because I was able to then go take those
kind of keywords that I heard you say about the roth Child and just the
different missions like uh, Dominique and I'm like blanking on just throwing them around
and all that other stuff. Yeah, yes, yes, like able to
go then research those all on their own, you know. And I feel
like when a lot of people, like, let's say, you bring up
you know, the flat earth with someone and then they want to go research
it or they hear it somewhere, well, obviously the Internet is designed to
hot like the algorithm is designed to only put the bogus claims of flat earth
that it's like a floating disk or whatever, nothing that's true. And I
feel like that does kind of just prove the point to people like, oh
yeah, that's ridiculous. That's And I actually remember, like going back to
because we were talking about the school system. I remember the exact moment that
they taught us about the globe and they mentioned flat earth, like when they
were teaching us about the globe model, and I remember like driving to and
from school, and I remember thinking, well, wait a second, like
that doesn't make sense, like if the world if we're on a ball,
like how are some people literally upside down and we're right side up? And
this is like my first grade brain, like trying to conceptualize it, and
it never made sense. And I still, I mean even till this day,
even thinking about it in simple terms like that, it still doesn't make
sense. Yeah. I just replied to an email today about shooting stars or
falling stars. I said, why don't falling stars fall away from people in
Australia if they're upside down? That the falling stars should be going away from
them right right, And wouldn't they be looking at like completely different stars?
Yeah, it's and it is. I guess it's reversed down there. But
there's somebody here's the thing. And I got a lot of emails and I'm
not, by any way, shape or form, am I telling people not
to send me emails about this, But it's it seems to me like people
are in a quandary, like they're they're on the flat earth fence, and
then somebody will ask them a question, whether it be the Southern Cross or
you know, just random things out there that maybe we don't have an answer
on right, like the well, how do you explain it the tides or
how do you explain the eclipse? Right right? Right? But that doesn't
make it ground but what were you going to see exactly that? Just because
we don't have an answer for everything, does it make it round? Just
because there's so many fallacies with or you know, issues with heliocentrism, with
we can see too far. Gravity is a theory. It's not a law.
It is one hundred percent theory. Albert Einstein was asked, how does
it feel to be the smartest man on earth? He said, I don't
know. As Tesla that was his All of these people who play on the
world stage will play their hand, just like buzz Aldrin with his interview with
the little Girl. Oh we didn't go right right and but but the most
important thing is just because we can't answer every single question about it doesn't mean
it automatically it defaults back to flat Earth. I mean, I'm sorry the
ball because for me, at some point it was just duh, all the
things I questioned as a child. I think we brought this up before.
When you're first born, when you're young, you can see the world for
what it really is, and then you were actually programmed to believe something completely
else than what you see. Oh and why would anybody think that they were
telling us things that weren't true. Yeah again, grow up, right,
And and even I was guilty as a truther, you know, I knew
they lied about everything. Oh except we lived on a round ball. That
water stuck too, that was hurtling through space. And once again, that
was one of those things. I was upset with myself for not being more
discerning in my thought, right. And that's also I think because and this
was on the same day that I'm kind of recalling right now, is they
showed us like why we could never be living on a flat earth because they
show the ships falling off the edge of the water. That's why they give
you the Christopher Columbus story, right right, And so you're thinking like,
oh my gosh, that's so stupid, and then like that's you. That's
your thought of flat earth from age seven, is like, oh my gosh,
that is the stupidest thing to believe. And so that I think that's
why so many people have such an emotional reaction when they hear those words,
Like I always just think it's so interesting how triggering it is for certain people
to hear the words like flat earth. You know, I it's it's amazing
to me because we were all part of that group, and then when you
get on this side, it's so frustrating, like we say to ourselves,
how can people not see it? And then you take a step back and
think, well, I used to delete emails when people would send me this,
thinking, man, what's wrong with these people? Did they sniff in
too much glue or something? Right? And then you wake up and see
it. You're just like wow. But as you progress and you think about
these things, and then you, like, for me, I started going
back and researching old television and movie programs, like during COVID, I watched
Contagion and I took like thirty pages of notes, and that day from the
movie Contagient during COVID of the movie Contagion from twenty twelve, I don't know
that one, so go check it out. It was from twenty twelve.
It was a big movie on contagion. The movie started there in this casino
in like Hong Kong or something, and the guy has a drink. He's
sick, he like sneezes. He takes a he finishes his drink and the
waitress walks by. He puts the drink on the waitresses thing and she touches
it gives it to the dishwasher. The next day they're all dead. So
it was like eight years. But it was like the same story of COVID,
right it starts spreading around the world and everything else. But there were
so many hidden messages in that movie. I would stop and take so many
notes. There's so many Easter eggs in that movie. And then I've realized,
well, wait a second, if it's this way for COVID, I
wonder if there's programming and TV and me and my wife Ween and Ji,
we will watch old TV from like, you know, the fifties and sixties,
and we were watching Leave It to Beaver, Like we got done watching
this episode, and like there was thirteen shots in the whole movie where there
was a globe in there. I'm like, that's odd that because he was
even talking in the mirror and in the mirror shot there was a globe.
We started watching other shows and then I went down this rabbit hole. Then
you know all that you know, before the movie start, it's got universal
the big globe, going back to the twenties, before we even went to
the moon. And then I realized then how much programming goes into the globe.
Theory. And that's why it triggers people, because so many times a
day they see a globe, whether it be on TV or in a movie
or in there you know, they're twelve years in school, there's usually a
globe in most of the classrooms you walk into. So you have been so
programmed to believe that we live on a globe. Anything you know that opposes
it is just silly. And the triggering we hear people like I said,
it just goes to show how much effort they put into the globboks. Yeah,
I agree, And who wants to believe that they've been programmed? Nobody,
because that means you've been fooled. And we're all, you know,
prideful people, and we you know. That was part of the reason I
was upset, because I kind of consider myself a fairly critical thinker. I'm
a problem solver, and that I remember still to this day, standing in
front of my hands in my pocket, shaken my head for like an hour
and like like where do you start over again? And then for me,
I was already doing the other podcast, and I was excited to tell everybody
one, Hey, guys, guess what we were fulled? And the next
day, my email was full of I used to enjoy your podcast, which
are obviously a moron. Yeah, and that's what surprises me too. Again,
there's so many people, even within the truth community who won't open up
and take some just look into it. But again, I was that guy
too, so I can't be too judgmental. Right, Yeah, it's true.
And I think for some people too, it's like they kind of have
an inkling towards it, but they don't want to be labeled as that because
that's just kind of the type of person they are, their personality. Especially
in the age of TikTok and Facebook and right, we all want to be
liked and if you bring that up, you're going to go from like like,
like David Weiss says, if you want to lose the respect of your
friends and family, just come out as a flat earther. Hey, But
yeah, I guess I just don't really feel that way with it. Like
I remember telling people at work and I wasn't even ashamed of it because I
feel like I'm like relatively confident in my intelligence. So I just feel like,
not to sound like arrogant or anything, I just like I know what
I've what I've researched and what I found out and just kind of like the
whole like just thoughts coming together and connecting that, like I know that we're
not wrong, and I know that if if we were wrong, I know
God would have convicted me about it by now, because he convicts me of
so many things, And like when you pray for truth for so long and
it just keeps getting reconfirmed, like it's just something I'm like so confident in.
And it's like if they if they zoomed out and showed me the curve
and they showed like showed me any sort of like even a small amount of
evidence that it was a ball, maybe I would rethink it. But I
know that they're never gone to be able to do that because everything is cgi,
everything is edited, and it's just not going to happen. I know.
Even recently and probably saw this, like the the most recent like Moon
visits watch, I didn't even know about it until I saw like something about
it online and I went. My thing is like I go to like NASA's
website, I go to their YouTube, I look at what they're putting out
there, and I'm like, this is all like how do people not see
through this like this is if this was real, Like I don't know.
It's just so fake to me, like from the videos of them like playing
in their imaginary space station to like just on their website, like what their
current missions that they're working, Like none of it makes sense and I don't
know. And I've been on C one thirty, C five's Chinook's uh sixties.
When I look at the wiring on that thing, I just laugh out
loud. It's wairs everywhere. I think now, even with the Moon landing,
and I think I think a lot of people at this point they're like,
Okay, there's a good chance we didn't go to the Moon because you
take one look at the ship and everyone knows, like, ha ha,
it looks like it's made out of aluminum foil like it actually does. Sure,
and that's just one out of one hundred or more reasons why we definitely
did not go there. And so I think people are like, Okay,
yeah, maybe we you know, we didn't go. But their reasoning is
like, well, maybe you know, we were just trying to win the
race, and that doesn't mean that like the Earth is that they were lying
about other things. But I'm like, if they lied about that, then
why would you think that any of it was real? And that's the question.
It sounds like, I hope it doesn't sound like I'm coming across as
like, oh, it's so obvious, because like for me, I feel
like it is obvious. But that's just because like you have to like look
at it and it accepted for what it is. But I don't know.
Yeah, no, no, I always try to do the same thing.
I don't want to ever come off as sounding crass or anything. That's why
I always end the thing with I'm not the best person ever. No,
no you're not. It's no, no, you're You're the same. We
were all on the other side at one time. But it is funny because
once you realize it, it's just it's it's even I'm way past the science
part of it. I mean, I still've done the moon temperature experiments,
curvageure, just all of that. But at the end of the day,
it's just you get it and you understand that the ball is such not there's
so many aspects to the globe that is just complete nonsense. And then you
can get into the numerology the people involved. It's just and you have to
understand that the world we live in, it's at the end of the day,
it's not about democrats versus Republicans. It's not about the Washington Commanders versus
the Dallas Cowboys, on and on and on. It's a battle of good
versus evil. And Satan cannot create anything, so he deceives us and he
prefers things. So and this is the greatest well, I guess the second
greatest deception. They say the first is Satan. Getting people to believe that
Satan doesn't exist is number one. But I'm calling you know. The Big
Three are very evil and they're prevalent in our education system, and that is
the Big Bank theory, evolution, and heliocentrism. And those three together are
hiding God from children across this country and the world. Yeah. And the
funny thing is, the three things that you just mentioned are all theories,
like the Big Bang theory, the theory and evolution and the theory of gravity.
They're all theories. Yep. Yes, indeed, that's why you know,
we were back going up into the fifties, a very morals based country
and Bibles and schools were very, very common. And when you lose that
moral compass. You know, things start spinning out, you know, spinning
out of control. And now scientism has taken hold of our education system,
which was the plan all the way back one hundred years ago with the Rockefellers.
But again they boil the frog. They do it generationally. They just
can't do it overnight because people would notice it. But now it's to the
point that needing to care, they just throw it in our faces. I
did want to talk a little bit about because you did go through that spell
of dealing with new wage and things like that. What was it that kind
of got you into that and what are the dangers you can kind of say
to the audience about it. Well, first of all, it's very dangerous,
even if you think your intentions are pure. But for me, so
I started going to a hot yoga studio, and I was a gymnast growing
up, and so a lot of the movements from yoga kind of like reminded
me of just like you know, things that my body kind of liked doing,
just anything like physical exercise. This was at a time that I was
like in college at like a party school. I went to Michigan State,
so like I had gained a lot of weight, like my mental health was
not good. It's a lot of alcohol consumption, which is another thing that's
obviously extremely dangerous and is poison. But I went to this class and immediately
I kind of realized like how stiff I was and like how out of shape
I was, and it really made me want to start going back. They
heed the room, so you're just like sweating all this, you know,
all these toxins out and you kind of leave feeling like you're on like a
temporary high. And something else about yoga that I learned once I did my
yoga teacher training is that it actually is a religion. Yoga is a religion
in and of itself, and you know, I learned more things about how
like the poses are kind of like praising different deities and gods. But you
know, I don't really get too into that. I just know it was
kind of like the gateway into that realm for me at least. So from
yoga, I started meditating, and like in terms of like manifesting and like
working hand in hand with the universe, it's very it's a lot of things
that are very much out there right now that a lot of people I think
are clinging to I definitely did. There's a lot of books that you can
read. There's one called You Are a Badass that I read that was all
about you know, she called God in the universe interchangeably. So I thought
that was okay, and it was just very much so like we're all one.
And I didn't mention this, but like I said, anything under the
sun, like I was, I was experimenting with like mushrooms and just like
that. Further, because all this spirituality, like it's not that it's not
real, like there is a spiritual realm, it's just without God and without
knowing and respecting the truth of Him, like there, it's not going to
save you from anything. Like there's only one God that can do that,
and that is God the Father through his son Jesus Christ, who died for
our sins so that we could be in right relationship with Him as long as
we surrender our faith to him. And that's that is like the simple truth.
But yeah, so I I had like some very spiritual experiences like with
yoga, with mushrooms, with even with crystals, and then it got to
the point and this is where I think it gets really dangerous, is I
because my life was so chaos while I was doing all these things, and
I just kept trying to tell myself, like if I get this crystal,
if I did that, like I'll be protected or this or that, and
like I was so wrapped up in it, like I don't know a better
word, but like possessed by it, that I couldn't actually see that my
life was so chaotic and it was just one thing after another and heartbreak and
this and that. And it got to the point where I went to go
see a psychic and I was also, of course, like me at that
time, you can imagine like the type of people that were surrounding me were
kind of also experimenting and doing similar things. So like I wasn't really having
like healthy relationships with the friends and just people in my life. I hope
it's not like too big. But I went to go see a psycha Gig
and she was kind of telling me how I was like in a very weak
spot. This was right after like my boyfriend and I broke up. I
had like I was working. This is another thing that's kind of funny,
George's I was working in pharmaceutical sales really yeah, which was like a whole
other thing, but a whole other eye opening experience because I started in the
industry like right as COVID was happening, and it was just like I was
kind of like, Wow, it seems like they're all working together on this,
Like all the back end meetings and things like that, of like going
virtual and all that. I was like, something's off, oh and something
Sorry, I'm just gonna jump around one more time. We had we were
launching a new product, so we were having our virtual training and kick off
the week they invited on. Oh my gosh, they invited on an astronaut
to tell us about his mission to space. Oh boy, this is like
a huge farm. This is Merk, like one of the biggest pharmaceutical costs,
and that's the company Brandy Vaughan worked. Are you familiar with her story?
No, I'm not. I'll send you a link when we're done.
And for the folks listening, I think I did an episode. She was
a sales representative for Merk. She turned became a anti vaxxer, and she
died suddenly at the age of forty four. A lot of a lot of
the quarter claim uh just said that she died of natural causes, but obviously
a lot of people out there because I think she ran a website called learntherrisk
dot com and she did all these public speeches about that the dangers of big
pharma, and then boom, she just passed away. I thinks she was
forty four. I mean, how many people passed away forty four at natural
causes? Right? Oh that's unfortunate. Sorry, go ahead, No,
that's okay. It was just like, looking back, I'm like they brought
on an astronaut to like drive this because a lot of people were on this.
It was like a nationwide call. And I don't know, I just
thought it was so ironic that they brought on like an astronaut to tell us
about how he went to space? What was his first of all, what
does his story have to do with like what they were launching. Well,
it was like a heart failure product that really didn't have good study like numbers,
but like he was comparing how like him going to space and like them
exploring space is like doing work for humanity, just like us launching this heart
failure product. Okay, ands of I think I'm dead serious. It was
like worse than what I'm even saying because I'm just kind of like giving you
the cliff notes. But how like we go hand in hand with each other
pretty much shave in humanity while I'm down at the Universal Studios filming my time
in space, right, And you know what's weird. I do think a
lot of these guys think that they are like helping people through their deception.
That's the twisted part of it. Yeah, I think so too, because
like I'm starting to realize the ability for like a person to lie to themselves
is like, and believe the lies that they're telling themselves is like is crazy.
Yeah, it is crazy, indeed unbelievable. While we're still in this
topic, and you know, since we're on murk and everything, did you
want to talk a little bit about your journey through COVID and how you saw
things and if it affected you directly. Yeah. So yeah, we're kind
of like jumping like back and forth in my story, but I feel that
hopefully it's still easy to follow. But so like when I graduated college,
became a yoga teacher, like spiritual, like trying to manifest, you know,
I wanted to like be a start in Los Angeles, so I moved
there. Wow, And like there was a lot of darkness in Hollywood that
I noticed, Like I was protected from some of it just because of my
experiences. It's kind of funny because like as we're talking about this, I'm
realizing, like college, it was like the dangers of like alcohol and being
like blinded by that poison. Yeah, and then like dealing with like in
Los Angeles, like just kind of more like sexual immorality type things than just
the dangers that go along with that, and like healing from things like from
childhood, well not facing from childhood yet, and like just kind of the
spiritual deception that comes along with like they say, like you have to go
inwards to heal and like you don't need anybody else but yourself, that whole
mindset, which I definitely tried my hardest to do that, but I'm telling
you, no one, you can't heal yourself. And then when COVID hit,
so I had started like this business in Los Angeles, like in like
twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, and it was about yoga, wellness and meditation,
and I marketed programs to seniors. So when COVID hit, and I
was working with like an older man at the time, who was like ended
up being like a common artist. But when COVID hit, like that was
like a good opportunity for me to like step away from that because one my
partner was like no good and two obviously I couldn't really get to my client
base because a lot of things were about to shut down sure, especially like
senior like assisted living places being like at the top of that list. So
that's why I moved back home and was I was like, I'll just become
like a pharmaceutical sales rap because like I was just desperately wanting like a stable
job, and my dad worked for Mark too, and like after the whole
like stint of like trying to start my own business, like I was doing
like cold calling and like market research and like doing all these things that was
like so hard just to like be able to pay my bills. So I
was like, well, if I have all this all these resources from like
a pharma company, like obviously I'm going to succeed at it. So they
hired me, and I ended up like moving to Cincinnati for a year,
and that's when COVID hit. So it was January, like I saw COVID
on the TV for the first time, and honestly, like it didn't really
affect me because I never believed in it, and then like I just kind
of thought it was ridiculous and like they I was like spending time at home
during the shutdowns, and I don't know, it was kind of a weird
time. Like of course things were limited on what you could do, but
that June, so I don't think we were necessarily like in lockdown mode at
that time. But that's when I transferred to Cincinnati, So like I went
through like I moved, went through like a home relocation and like started a
new job, as like many people were losing their jobs. So I was
having like a really different experience than like the majority of the population. I
feel like, and I keep saying it didn't affect me, because like it
really didn't. I feel like I didn't really let it into my mental space.
That's not that I was being insensitive, but I just really thought the
whole thing was so silly, and like I knew people like people were actually
getting sick, and I know that it was like a real virus, but
I know that they like introduced it into the population, and that like we
didn't like not that we didn't have to be scared of it, but like
I feel like I wasn't going to give them that power, and I feel
like, I don't know, it's really sad because I feel like a lot
of people like fall victim to it depending on like their circle stances and stuff,
which is really unfortunate and it's like obviously so wrong what they did.
But yeah, like when the like when they mentioned like they were coming out
with the vaccine that quick, I don't know. I knew I was never
going to get it, and I was kind of shocked at like some of
the people around me that like were like running to get it and then like
I don't know the So the boyfriend that I had at the time, like
his mom for example, was like she was a nurse, so she's like
I get to get like first access to the vaccine. She was like bragging
about it, and I'm like, oh my gosh, like that's concerning,
and then like I wouldn't get the vaccine, and he got like very angry
with me and was like calling me selfish and stuff because my actions were going
to really impact other people and like make them sick. And I just was
like, this is all like they're trying to like shame people that won't go
along with what their agenda is, and people are falling for it. And
that's when I really like, I don't know, I was really liberal in
my earlier life, and this was like when I first started realizing that I
was not like shifting away from that, which I know that the whole like
the political party is like, that's not the issue, like you said,
it's of good and evil. But so that was kind of COVID. So
yeah, that was like a big thing. I guess it was kind of
a blessing because it was one of the reasons why we ended up splitting,
because obviously he wasn't the person that God had for me. Like they say,
everything happens for a reason, right, Yeah, And what's surprising to
me is, I mean, here you are. I don't know how long
you were actually in the pharmaceutical business, but even being in that realm for
a while, those people that you were just talking about, they didn't take
your experience with mirk at. It was just no, this is what the
government says, that's what it should be. Yeah. Well, so I
worked for mirk and then I transferred to a different No, they didn't but
even when I tried to like get into conversations about it, he would just
like reference like, you know, different organizations and different studies, and I'm
like kind of trying to explain to him, like all these like the same
people that are writing those are the same people that are saying like everyone's working
together. But I also worked for GSK and that's the company I worked for
when I moved back to Los Angeles. And wait, shoot, what was
I going to say? Oh, yeah, they were trying to force the
mandate, the vaccine mandate where you had to show the proof for you know,
you know how some people lost their jobs. My wife, Oh yeah,
yeah, a lot of people lost their job. And so when I
heard about this mandate, I'm like, oh my gosh, Like, well,
I know I'm not going to get the vaccine. I was like,
I might like love my job, like but again, like I don't know,
I had some sort of peace about it, and luckily, like I
found this resource that helped me write a letter of an exemption letter, and
you know, I submitted it to my company, and I remember my manager
at the time, like he was doing a ride along with me that day,
and I guess like word got out that I was doing an exemption for
the vaccine. He's like, yeah, good luck with that. Like if
you were on you know, like you'd be like fired in a second or
they're gonna like so because I was I was working from with a contracting company,
so he wasn't technically my manager, but I was like a rep on
his team, if that makes sense to managers. But like I was hired
by a different company. So he's like if you were, if you were
on my team, like you'd be fired like all this stuff. And I
was like, I just like stayed quiet, and like the company that I
was working for like approved it, so I didn't have to get it.
And I don't think a lot of people knew that you could do that.
My brother had done it at his university and it worked, and that's kind
of part of the reason why I knew about it. And of course my
not and Papa, the Christians that I mentioned earlier, like they've been privy
to this stuff for so long, like they are their eyes have been opened
for so long on so many things. And yeah, they were like they
were really on top of it with the whole COVID thing, but they that
me in this website that was like you can you know, there was like
templates of like let's say Christian or Buddhist or whatever. So I said I
was Buddhist and that like, I'm not going to do medical intervention if,
like my if I'm not in a state of emergency. And you could have
like adapted that to like any religion. Yeah, I think the frontline doctors
had that template because my wife did the same thing. It uses basically your
religion and all these other things and it puts the template together for your hers
got denied. I think only five out of I forget it was an astronomical
number, but only five got approved out of what however, many got turned
in here, which is Bay Health Medical Center in Delaware. Oh my gosh.
Yeah. See that's crazy. Good for her, you know, for
standing her ground. Yeah, you just have to, You really have to,
because I'm not like trying to be a down or anything. But there's
going to be time serart of life where things are going to be worse.
I said, twenty twenty was tough, but there's going to be a time.
And it's in the Bible as well. If you follow Christ, you're
going to be persecuted. You should expect it and it's up to you.
Again, I say this all the time. If Man's law crosses God's law,
it's our duty, it's our responsibility to ignore it. Yep, it
is. And it tells us that Ray in the Bible. Sure does.
By the way, you worked for GSK, huge company out of Britain,
out of the UK. Last year they had like a forty billion dollars and
forty billion dollars in revenue, but they also had one of the biggest fines
in history, was it? They pleaded guilty to promotion of drugs for unapproved
uses, failure to report safety data KICKBAX to physicians, one of the largest
health care fraud cases in the United States, right up there with Johnson and
Johnson's or pfisers. I'm sorry, like two point nine billion dollars, so
right about the same as pfisers back in the day. Yeah. Yeah,
it's like you should have heard some of the things that they would say on
like the nationwide calls, like especially just k Like one woman was saying,
because we had we were talking about how do we promote our product more?
And she was like she said, how do we get the coke drinker to
drink more coke is what she said, yep. And I'm like this must
have been like a historically used phrase and like there, but I'm like what.
And then they were talking about how do we use COVID to our advantage
to sell more because it was like an inhaler that we were promoting, and
how can we use COVID to our advantage? Like how can we use these
because there was weather issues in or air quality issues in Los Angeles at this
time, They're like, how can we use these fires to our advantage?
And I was like I got to get out of this industry like now,
like yesterday, I hated it. It just felt really And then you probably
I don't know if you've seen that Dope Sick Show on Hulu, but I
remember watching that like right after I like, well, I kind of got
myself fired. But and it was talking about, you know, the opiod
crisis, and I really really related to the sales routs on that show.
This of course it wasn't as serious as sure that drug specifically, but just
the concept absolutely, and going back to what you were talking about earlier with
you know, you would try to talk to these people but because of you
know what doctor Fouts you said on TV or whatever. If you really want
to go down some rabbit holes and learn how the government works, just go
to any search engine and put in fear and social control. There are so
many well written articles about how governments controlled people through fear. It is a
tool that they've been using for centuries. Yes, I'm sure you read the
real Anthony Fauci. Have you heard of blat one? Yeah, that's one
my aunt had told me to read. I remember like reading just the first
chapter and I was like that, I think because I found out more about
when I was finding out about this, like that's what really made me mad.
And then when I found out about flat earth, it was just like
I almost felt like relieved. But sorry, you switched audio, so I
don't know if it's still connected. No, you're I didn't touch anything.
I promise you're here coming through loud and clear. Okay. Yeah, but
again, even just like with how your podcast served as like a good research
for research for me to do more research like this book, like you could
research everything that they were talking about. Yeah, there's I didn't read the
whole thing, to be honest, I didn't really feel like I needed to
read the whole thing. I felt like it even just in the first few
chapters, I was like, whoa, yeah, it's you know, it's
funny. I talk to people all the time who are expats who live in
other countries like Ecuador, Costa Rica or wherever, maybe Hungary, and when
they come to the United States, they're like just blown away by all the
advertisements on TV from big pharmaceutical because US and New Zealand are the only two
countries in the entire world who are allowed to have these commercials air on TV.
Wow. Yeah that speaks volumes. Yep. Those commercials are so eerie
every time. If anything, definitely the vaccine ones. Yeah, they'll tell
you, you know, do you have exima, you know, try this,
it'll help, it might help. They always say moderate to severe cirrhosis
or something XMA or whatever, plax right, yeah, yeah, And then
for the next thirty seconds, it's just all these things that could happen to
you that are much more detrimental to your health than a skin condition. It
just blows my mind. I know. It's like, if you're having thoughts
on suicide, stop immediately. Yeah, are you kidding? I think I'm
trying to help my skin. Oh my goodness. So, uh yeah,
you've been. You've brought up your grandparents several times that that was next on
my list is have your Have you introduced this to your grandparents yet? The
theory of the theory of flatter Yes? Yes, I actually they were the
first people. After I saw that video of that Creator talking about I kind
of pulled up that picture. I showed it to my nana Papa, and
I was kind of like, what shape do you think the earth is?
And you know, I could tell that Mi Nana was like low key probably
already a flat earther. But I just know that she's like so focused on
her faith and like so focused on honestly probably praying for like all her grandchildren
that haven't yet come to Jesus and stuff. Like she's kind of like,
well, I don't need to focus too much about the shape of the earth.
But once I started talking about it, like we got into some deep
conversations. And at this point, like I mean, like I talked to
my mom about it. I talked to my not and Papa about it,
and even some of my siblings, and like, when I talk to my
mom about it, she's like, well, yeah, like that's obvious type
in, like she's just kind of like on the same page as me,
but she doesn't really feel the need to like talk about it, like I
have the need to talk about it, you know. And it was actually
so I hadn't mentioned this, But I had nine siblings by the way,
so I'm one of ten. But my this was like a few years before
I ever really before I became a flatter. My younger brother threw the idea
out randomly in passing one time, and I remember being like, are you
crazy. So then when I did find out that the Earth was flat,
of course I went to him about it. And he's younger than me,
he's like twenty I think he's twenty one, and like we were kind of
going back and forth sending text messages, like he sent the picture of like
the globe hurling through space with all the I'm sorry, the sun hurling through
space with all the other planets spinning around it, and he's like, it's
kind of crazy to believe that we've just accepted this as true, ye,
And I'm like yeah, And to answer your question about like my not and
papua, like I I was pulling off so many videos on like one to
your point about like all the propaganda and the TV shows, even the cartoons.
It's really great that like so many people have taken the time to like
compile these things. But I was showing them some of those. And then
my favorite is watching the NASA blue Birds. So there's so many, and
like my my favorite, I don't my not on. Papa and I were
watching one and it was like two astronauts in quote unquote space and they just
figured out how to do like three G phone call between space and Earth,
and the talk show host on Earth was like to the audience, he was
like, there's gonna be about an eight second delay before they hear this because
of like whatever the signals. So he would say something and then they would
wait eight seconds and then answer. But the blooper was he said something that
like warranted and ex the crowds like applaud, and the boy astronaut accidentally reacted
to him eight seconds. So I never saw my papa laugh that hard,
Like he was laughing so hard. But so I had more conversations with mine
not about it, and she's like, well, I don't know if Papa
fully believes that because I don't know if he's fully accepted that he's been lied
to. It's just like kind of like my husband, because of course I
talked to him about this. I don't exhaust the subject, but well I
talk about it a lot, just because for me, it's so interesting and
I think it's important, and like I share with him, like all the
things I've found out, and every single time he's like, all right,
like you bring some good points up, like all right, and he like
gives that to me. But then like the next time I bring it up,
he's like, well, I don't know, I'm not fully convinced yet.
So he's like one of those people that's like not fully ready to like
admit it, but like he has all, yeah, all the resources in
front of him type thing. That's why I don't really push it too hard.
But I don't know. Just nowadays, it's like we're like walking outside
and I look up at the moon and like you can see the blue sky
behind it, and I'm like, doesn't it doesn't the moon kind of look
like you know, you can kind of see like the sky behind it.
He's like, oh yeah, Like I don't really know, like if that's
the sky or if that's just like you know, the holes on the moon,
and then like we look at the same moon that night, but now
it's like dark, the holes are dark, and I'm like, oh,
well, look you can see the sky behind it. He's like all right,
Like I don't know. When I look at the moon, I'm like,
we cann't land on that thing. That thing's emitting light like and I'm
sure you've seen when they shine light off of a rock, like, it
doesn't emit light like that. No, not at all. It's crazy.
And even funnier is when they show us the quote unquote pictures from the moon.
Why is why is it always dark and dusty? I mean, it's
just these common sense things, you know, if if it is that right
of a light, why isn't everything just it's a light? I mean even
it's very specific in the Bible it is a light. But every time they
show us, it's this dusty rock. And and again if you even take
the time to look at the official story of what the moon is, yeah,
the story is like fourteen and a half billion years ago, did this
other thing smashed into Earth and it created the moon? It broke off and
it's just fairing tangs on this stuff. It's it's ridiculous. Not only that,
but it like violates the personal second law of thermodynamicsments first of all,
the Big Bang does because like something can't come from nothing, so like automatically,
that just negates everything that comes after it. And then like the second
law of like everything moves towards entropy from like a state like towards chaos.
You know, well, how did like the Big Bang now create like an
Earth where we have like little like retinas in our eyes that can process light.
Like that's not like the theory, that's not the law of second third
of one dynamics not like it's just I don't know how they can just like
bypass that. And I think, I mean, I think a lot of
scientists like are now saying, like, oh, science is you know,
proving the existence that there is a god. I do see that sometimes,
but yeah, it just doesn't make any sense. Like you can use your
common sense, you can use science, observable science, you can use the
Bible, and you can use like experiments that have been done that all come
to the same conclusion that we're not spinning on a ball absolutely, so we
have like miles and miles of evidence for it. Yeah, I got that
book, like The Greatest Lie on Earth. It's like that big do you
have that one? It's a big book. It is a big book.
I haven't read all of it, but it talks about like the distancings between
the lighthouses and the lasers and stuff, and it's a good resource, I
think. Yeah, Hendry's book, that's right, Edward Henry, The Greatest
Line Earth at the proof that our world is not a moving globe. And
I'll put that if you folks are interested. It's a little bit of Bunny.
It's forty bucks right now on Amazon. Oh wow. But it's it's
a good book. It's it's a very good book. It's a good coffee
table book to start up a conversation if you're willing and able to do so.
Yeah. I thought those documentaries were good too, like the Level ones.
Yeah, all three were very good, like really really really informative.
But I don't like how they don't center it on like God and God's creation,
and they all have their own ideas about like you know, a lot
of people think that there's more land and stuff like that, and I don't
know about all of that. I think it's a possibility. But that's what
I kind of don't love about the documentaries because I feel like everyone's kind of
on their own, has their own like theories about it and try to come
up with answers. But I think you said this too. I got the
idea to watch it because of an interview that you had with someone I don't
remember exactly which episode it was, but he also had like a similar background
as me, with like being an atheist and stuff, So I was like
so thankful that you guys mentioned what that documentary was called. But like,
if you go try to watch it, you can't find it, Like you
literally have to, like for me, I have to pull it up on
like some random Facebook page to watch it. Yeah, they make this stuff
really hard to find. Absolutely. Yeah, if you especially if you go
to Google, they will hide the results you're looking for. I use either
Yandex or Brave. I think you can find them for the most part on
YouTube. I know, I'm pretty sure. I don't want to. I
don't want to speak for sure, but Dave's app might have them on there,
or you can go to Sean Hippler's website. He's the one who I
believe directed or produced the movie. He was on one of our We interviewed
him here. His website I think has all three level movies on there as
well. But yeah, that's when when I did the slide presentation. When
I put that together, I try to put a little bit of evidence,
scientific evidence, we can see too far those type of things. I included
historical facts, and then I included biblical facts, so kind of a actually,
I guess the third of those three things to kind of bring it all
together is this on your website. It's on the very front page of the
website if you go to the flatterthfiles dot com. I have the slides available
for Mac or Windows in both. I see it. It looks really good.
Yeah, it's and again, feel free folks to make it yours,
change some out, put some in. But it's just I wanted to have
a like, you know, kind of here's something to work with, right,
Yeah, I'll have to like dig around more. I haven't spent too
much time on the site that there's a lot of people who write in the
forum, a lot of interesting information in the forum. Oh good, thank
you, Yeah for sure. Well, yeah, there's just so many different
things like there's never enough time in the day. Yeah, that's for sure,
But I wanted to mention real quick. So again, if you google
how the Moon was created, thheia. I guess it's Prona during those early
ages, and I think they say it's like fourteen and a half billion years
ago a planetary body the size of Mars slammed into the still forming Earth.
So once again, there's nothing biblical about this, but this is the first
thing it brings up on the webs when you put that into Google. Okay,
the collision was so powerful it broke apart that impacting protoplanet nicknamed thea and
sent huge amounts of material into orbit around Earth, and that material eventually coalesced
into the Moon. And it's very important to note the people behind National Geographic
which I think the actual society. The guys from AOL might be involved.
The founder of AOL. Disney has like a seventy five percent stake into it
as well. If you don't know the history of Disney and their deceptions,
you know, again, this is what we're up against. If you put
in you know, the genesis flood into Google, they will tell you what
is a narrative in the very first paragraph, and then you know, they'll
tell you it is just a story. It's it's a false it's just a
story. So these are the things, like I said, that we're up
against with these deception, you know, the people who run this deception.
Yeah, and that should be like a red flag in and of itself because
why would they need to do that. I know that the like Google when
flatter if they say this in the Levels documentary to that between twenty fifteen and
twenty seventeen, it was one of the most search topics and Google had to
have like this huge camp friends with YouTube and they, you know, we're
telling them all the things that they're doing with the algorithm to push you know,
authoritative content and tide other content. So like they admit to doing it.
So when you see something like that, it really should be like a
red flag to like look further into it and kind of like the opposite a
rule of thumb is like if they're saying something is just an archaic thought concept
and that it's not true anymore, Like think like why are they saying this?
And George is interesting because you said the thea things. So I went
to type into into Google and it says in Greek mythology Theo was one of
the Titans, she was the mother of Seen, the goddess of the moon.
Yep, it's all about Greek mythology for the longest time. The planets
were named after them, and then of course the Romans took over all of
it. Is it's just such a deception. And like I said, the
very first sentence if you google Genesis flood narrative, it is where the Genesis
flood. It comes up as the Genesis flood narrative, and the very first
sentence says, the Genesis flood narrative chapter six through nine of the Book of
Genesis is a Hebrew myth. So they're putting it in your face that the
Bible isn't telling you the truth, right, And that's what I grew up
believing, and that's actually what. Yeah. You know, even in a
lot of Christians, like I know, the Catholic denomination, I'm pretty sure
they consider a lot of these things as myth, not myth, but like
metaphor. But yeah, I feel like as a Christian you can't just pick
and choose to believe out of the Bible. Yeah, and outside of cherry
peg, No, you can't. And outside of obviously you know, the
New Testament with John three sixteen, that's very you know, that talks about
how Jesus has you know, washed our sins away, you have the ability
to be born again. You know. Genesis is very important. It talks
about how you know, everybody talks about if you want to know where you're
going, you have to know where you came from. And we have,
you know, this perfect history book. And then you have these these people
who, by the way, I'll include this link into the the National Geographic
Leadership Team all have their their their pronouns in there. She hear all of
them are she here in their bio and I'll put that in there for you
as well. So this is again what we're up against, and this is
really what they're teaching. That's hugely linked to the whole agenda is the transgender
stuff. Yeah. In the introduction of that Flat Earth book, I'm so
sorry, the big book that we were just the greatest line, the greatest
line, Oh my gosh. Yeah, they talk about how it all ties
together. It's really good. But yeah, so Georgie, I want to
talk about one more thing. There's this documentary that I really liked, and
it was called Answers in Genesis, and a lot of like Christian scientists talk
about the fact that God create pretty much creationism. It's called Paradise Lost Answers
in Genesis. That's is that ken HAB's website. Yeah, and and he
like it's a really good documentary and they do advocate for creationism, and they
explain scientifically, like a lot of evidence of like you know, them faking
things and evolution and evidence of the flood and just you know, there's so
much evidence of creationism. And they do a really it's a bunch of like
scientists, like you know, with their PhDs their doctorates, like very educated
and they're all talking about it and it's really good. But they put in
a lot of images of the globe. And I know ken Ham like does
preach that the world is a globe, and that's something that is so confusing
to me based on like all of the Bible verses that say that it's immovable.
And I think there's like two hundred plus verses in the Bible that support
like flatter, I mean, including just the first few sentences of Genesis alone.
So have you seen that movie? Uh, yeah, and I'm very
familiar with ken Ham and I think again he's also the Arc Encounter guy in
Kentucky, I believe, and he is a Young Earth creationist. And it's
one of those things where you see somebody who was so close to seeing the
truth. And then again he even on his web page it's a rounded Earth
with the sun coming over the horizon. I'll tell you a story, a
secondhand story, wasn't me. But last February we had Josh from the Founded
Earth Brothers, a great YouTube channel. They do live shows every week,
and he used to be a teacher and educator and he's pushing for a flat
Earth or Biblical cosmology online class for children as well. So he took a
trip down there because like me, you know, you see someone who was
so close. He did such great work with the Arc recreation and he understands
that, you know, this isn't fourteen billion years old, it's you know,
sixty five hundred years or around there. Okay, But but he he
doesn't see that the correlation to biblical cosmology. So he goes on. He
traveled down there to one of their seminars and he raised his hand and he
wanted to talk about you know, flat Earth, and they shut him down,
like he got five words past flat Earth and they were done with him.
They said, don't even bring that up here. You're not welcome,
Like they turned on him. What yes, I'm not kidding you. If
I can go back and if I can find it fairly quickly the episode where
he talked about this, I'll link it in the show notes. Like he
drove down to the arc, which I guess I know, I remember you
talking about this on your podcast, boul it was this or something else where
they got like he got like fairly upset. Yeah, he was just and
then like he deleted the recording the next day. That is the same and
that might have been the the biblical debate between the two pastors. Oh okay,
but either way both cases. Yeah, he was very disappointed because you
know, he just wanted a chance. He just, Josh just wanted an
opportunity to discuss it with people. That's all we really want is just to
have a conversation. At the end of the day, people are allowed to
make their own decision. When I get emails with questions, I always say
with you know, use your own discernment. I don't say you have you
know, what are you thinking now? Just everybody has their own journey to
the truth. The most important thing is understanding that Jesus Christ gave it his
life, you know, to save you, right John three sixteen, You
know that that is the most important part. But I have the more I
do this, the more I learned that the globe deception is keeping people away
from God and that's a big problem and we have to you know, like
the Bible says, if you have knowledge, you know, they tell us
it's our responsibility to to share the gospel of Jesus, Like that's our job,
that's her duty. And I feel the same way about anything that hides
God. That's why we do this, right, And that's that's why I'm
like, I respect you so much for putting together this podcast and talking about
these things, and I really want to like start talking about their more through
you know. However, you know God would use me for that, But
I definitely think it's important to talk about because people are being deceived and live
too, and like you said, it is keeping them from the truth and
they just contradict each other so much that you know, the more people talk
about it, the more it becomes okay and less scary and less taboo,
and it can really bring people towards God, and it can really help welpen
people's eyes and help them to be able to speak better on the subject.
And it's kind of just like defending God's word against the enemy's lies that he's
led to the masses. Yeah. Absolutely. And one of my quotes I
used to quote a lot on my other podcast, mainly p Hall said that
when the human race learns to read the language of symbolism, a great veil
will fall from the eyes of men. And then I remember back to the
beginning of the podcast where you and I've heard this actual mention a few times
over the last week about the scales falling from your eyes, and you know,
there is a little bit of a awakening. And when people realize this,
they realize, well, my goodness, if they can lie about this,
what else are they lying about? And I think it is helping and
of course the most important thing that is it leads to them being born again
if they're not. But it also helps people see the deception of this earth.
Yeah, and it helps them trust like the senses that God gave us
exactly exactly why I just think it makes you more confident in the place that
you inhabited for now. Absolutely, Yeah, thank god we have the Bible.
Yeah, we have the whole story right at our fingertips amended that.
Well, we're down to our last few minutes, so I certainly wanted to
give you an opportunity if there's anything else you wanted to mention or anything you
wanted to say to the audience before we said goodbye for this episode, which,
by the way, has been just such a fantastic conversation. I can't
thank you enough for your time today. Oh, thank you so much.
This is I love doing this and I feel like we could keep talking for
a lot longer. Oh sure, But I would say that if you're listening
to this, I would urge you to start with watching Georgia's first episode called
Why the Lie. I think that's a really good place to start. It
will give you a lot of context historically and kind of help put pieces together.
He talks about everything from like the education system to was I gonna say
the Admiral Bird's missions into Antarctica because I know we didn't talk about Antarctica today,
but that's a huge piece, especially for a lot of people, and
yeah, he just talks about everything, and even the episodes after that he
gets into the Dathsa and he gets into a lot of the basics, and
you can take those and start to do your own research. You can order
there's lots of books you can order on the subject, and if anything,
like do the research just so you can prove it wrong, if that's what
you want. And if you can, you know, find enough evidence and
arguments that support the globe, then you can sleep soundly at night knowing that,
like you know, you put your time in it, but at least
take the time to understand what we're kind of talking about today, and most
importantly, read the Bible. And I would say this too, not even
on the subject of flatter, but I used to think the Bible was a
bunch of like mumbo jumbo and sexist like stories and it's just not the case.
But I would say, you're never going to know unless you read it.
So read the Bible. You can start in the New Testament and read
the Old Testament as well, just because that makes you more educated on these
subjects, and you can make your own conclusion if you do those things.
So that's I guess what I would say, you know, just so you
can make your own conclusions really, but yeah, well thanks, that was
a great That was a perfect way to end the podcast. And again,
we can't thank you enough for your time and for sharing your story, and
we're so happy for you and your husband and uh well you pray for your
big day coming in August, looking forward to that. God bless you.
And I'm so happy to hear that your journey has brought you, you know,
full circle to Christ and where you are today. It's just amazing to
hear these stories. And again, thanks for you know, being so honest
and especially something that is near and dear to my heart, which I cover
all the time on my other podcast, The Pharmaceutical Industry. And I'll put
the links to Brandy Vaughan and her story in the show notes as well.
I hope everybody enjoyed this podcast, which I assure you I'm sure you did,
And if you'd like to reach out to Abigail, her email address,
of course, will be in the show notes, so please do reach out
to her. Thank you for her time on the podcast and what a great
story. Blessings to you and your family, Abigail, Thanks for joining us.
Again, Thank you so much, George, absolutely and God bless you
guys. Thanks for continuing to support the podcast. Stop by the website and
say hello The Flatterithfiles dot com. Send us an email The Flattereth Files at
gmail dot com for Abigail. I'm George, God bless you guys. Have
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