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The following presentation is Del Marvis Studio's
production. Welcome back truth seekers from around

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the world. It's time for another
edition of the flat Earth Files podcast.

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I hope this finds you well.
I hope everybody had a great weekend.

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Actually, as we record, it's
Tuesday afternoon, around one pm Eastern time,

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five days prior to this airing,
and it's just been a beautiful day,

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as Abigail and I were talking before
we hit the record button, so

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I hope everybody had a great week
as well. Before we get started,

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like you have to write them down. All right, without any further ado,

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let's get to today's special guest and
it's Abigail. Abigail, how are

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you doing today? Hi, George, I'm doing great. Thanks for having

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me on. Yeah, thank you
so much for joining me this afternoon.

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I don't like you were saying,
it's such an day and we had to

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pull ourselves inside to do this interview
today. But it's always great to have

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this conversation with people, because you
know, I'm sure it's the case maybe

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with you, where most of us
don't have a lot of friends locally in

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person, to have this type of
conversation with it's true. Yeah, I've

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never actually done a podcast before,
and I couldn't think of a better topic

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to be talking about. Well,
that's awesome. Well let's kick things off,

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and please do introduce yourself to the
audience. Yeah, my name is

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Abigail. I live well, I
don't know if I'm supposed to tell where

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I live, but I'm in the
Midwest, as George's too. But I'm

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twenty nine. I recently got married
this past August, and my husband and

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I are actually expecting our first baby
in this upcoming August. Wow. Congratulations,

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thank you, And prior to that, I actually found Flat Earth about

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I would say end of twenty twenty
two, beginning of twenty twenty three,

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and yeah, I mean should I
kind of talk about that? Yeah,

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feel free jump right in. Well, so a little background. I a

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lot of my flat earth kind of
beliefs and my faith tied together, so

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I was actually an atheist most of
my life. And then around twenty seventeen,

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during my senior year of college,
I started practicing yoga actually, and

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I had like this huge spiritual awakening
and I became very spiritual, very New

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Age. Just anything under the sun
in that realm was me. Like,

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I think I just really clenched onto
it. And so I was into like

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the manifesting, the crystals, the
even getting into like tarot cards and things

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like that. And it wasn't until
twenty twenty two in the summer. I

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was living in California at the time, and I think I just reached a

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breaking point. I was meditating one
morning and I heard the voice of God

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and I never went back. I
ditched all of those practices and ended up

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moving back to the Midwest, actually
in with my grandparents. And I was

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twenty seven at the time, so
it wasn't exactly like where I wanted my

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life to be, but I just
was so like headset on this new journey.

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I knew I was never going back
to any other sort of lifestyle that

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I did in the past. And
a few months into that, you know,

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I started reading the Bible for the
first time, just really opening my

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heart for God to transform me,
and he definitely was. And I guess

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part of that was being introduced to
flat earth, and so it was kind

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of one of those things like I
never was had any exposure to the flat

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earth ideas, never really crossed my
mind, and I didn't really even hear

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that many people talking about it.
But of course I'm on TikTok and I

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think it was George. I don't
know if you know this creators at John

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Truth, but one of his videos
popped on my for you page, and

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George, I'm sure you've seen the
picture depicting like God's creation with the earth

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and then the sky, the heavens
above, separated by the waters above,

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the firmament and of course the waters
below and then the great deep at the

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bottom. So that picture popped up
in his video and like something like I

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didn't even so, George, I
know your story, you like when you

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found out you said you couldn't sleep
for like two weeks. I was pretty

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out of whack for a couple of
weeks. For me, I was just

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like, oh, yep, arth
flat like I just knew, Like I

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just knew it. Like as you
all know, a lot of people during

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the COVID shutdown, which was just
you know, the past two years before

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the time period I'm talking about now, yep, raised a lot of questions

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for a lot of people. People
were starting to wake up. And even

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though I wasn't woken up to God's
truth, I definitely the second I saw

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something on the news about the coronavirus, I was like, Oh, that's

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like, what is this? Like, what are we doing now? So

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I think that helped wake a lot
of people up. And I know that's

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how a lot of people kind of
get into realizing the truth about the shape

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of where we live and just the
nature of where we live. Yeah,

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I mean that's kind of like long
story short. That's all great points.

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So going back to your and again, congratulations, that's fantastic. We have

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a lot of birthdays in our family
in August, my anniversaries in August,

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so good month. You said you
were an atheist for most of your life.

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So growing up, you never had
any interactions in a church or anything

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like that. Well, I was, so. I mentioned my grandparents are

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very strong Christians. I know they
kind of grew up with a Catholic background,

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but they left the Catholic church back
in like maybe two thousand, give

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or take. So I was in
like first grade or something. But my

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family, my dad, moved us
out to Michigan when I was like a

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baby, so we weren't really close
with them, and he didn't get along

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with them, and I don't know, he had a lot of issues,

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sure, and it was him that, you know, kind of would make

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fun of them, tell me that, you know, they believe in this

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imaginary life, and just kind of
steered me away from him from God.

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And it was clear that he had
adopted like an atheist worldview. And even

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though there were so many issues,
like being young, you still kind of,

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you know, want to follow your
dad, sure, And I think

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that had a big influence on me
because it just kind of made me feel

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like I was smarter, even from
like I'm telling you, like elementary school,

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middle school, like I started learning. He would read me books on

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evolution and things like that, and
I just thought I had like such an

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upper hand for some reason, I
didn't understand, like my grandparents always were

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Christian, and I just don't I
don't ever really recall. Maybe when I

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was younger, I was open to
God, but once I hit a certain

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age, I was kind of like, you know, I didn't really believe

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in it. And I think that
was a big reason why. And I

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just kind of like, I mean, obviously now I realized like science was

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the religion that I adopted for various
reasons. Also, like I mentioned,

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with the issues with my dad and
just like my family growing up, there

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were a lot of like issues of
like abuse and things like that going on

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in my home. So I think
that also kind of hardened my heart even

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more. And yeah, I just
kind of was like I don't need that,

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and I kind of just thought it
was something that people told themselves to

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make themselves feel better, to be
able to like live through life easier,

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and that's what I thought. So
I thought that way like through high school

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into college. You know, I
studied human biology and like was had a

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very science heavy background, and I, yeah, I just kind of like

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prided myself on it all the way
up until my senior year of college,

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like the end of my education,
and I still believed in evolution, and

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I still believed in science. Not
that I don't believe in I still believe

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in science, but there's a difference
between like observable science and historical science,

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so and scientism. Right, Yeah, So that kind of atheist in me

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was very much prevalent until like age
twenty one, and then age twenty one

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through like twenty seven. Like I
said, I was exploring spirituality and I

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knew there was a God. But
I think also aside from like my family

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life, which I know that like
the prayers of my grandparents and other people

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in my family like helped me probably
come to faith as well, because I

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know they were like praying for me
all the time, and that is evidence.

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I can't tell you how there's such
power and prayer there is such bad

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there really is. Like when I
came to Christ, they were just saying

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how it was such an answer to
prayer because they saw me, like they

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saw me go through what I went
through. And like after I graduated college,

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like I didn't want to have anything
to do with my home life,

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and I just like kind of picked
everything up and moved away to California and

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lived there for a while, and
the issues that I was avoiding from my

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childhood just like kept repeating in my
life as an adult, and I just

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kept like getting knocked on my face
over and over again. But yeah,

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yeah, as I heard like the
voice of Jesus, I was like,

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oh wow, like I just it
was like the scales that fall off your

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eyes, and it just happened like
so quickly for me, Like I know

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it's different for everyone, but for
me, it was like that one instance.

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And then you know, moving in
with my grandparents who were such strong,

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so strong in their faith, I
feel like they mentored me a lot.

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You know, I got involved in
church. I was reading my Bible,

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praying, like repenting, praying,
like just like everything, and I

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felt like God was like changing the
desires of my heart, like I just

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like every church service everything. It
was like, I don't know, He's

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just so amazing he is. And
that's such a wonderful story because I remember

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reading your email that the deck was
kind of stacked against you because at a

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young age, like you just mentioned, your father was telling you that God

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wasn't real. And then you go
to elementary school and they taught you evolution,

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and I'm assuming they probably talked about
the big the Big Bang theory,

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and you know, heliocentrism as well. Of course that's part of the standard

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curriculum. And you prided yourself on
your knowledge of science, and like you

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said, it was your religion,
and to come from that all the way

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around to you know, like you
said, hearing the voice of Jesus Christ,

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never going back, and so many
positive things happened, you know,

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obviously the most important with Jesus,
and then your family, your husband,

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and the blessing with your pregnancy.
Just how wonderful things have turned out.

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I know, it's like he really
turned my life around in that year of

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surrendering to him, and I can't
believe how fast he moved in my life.

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Of course, it didn't always feel
like it was instant, because a

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year is a long time when you're
going through it. But I mean I

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was just praying, you know,
I really had that desire to like become

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a wife, have a husband,
and I really wanted to have a family

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and be able to you know,
have that like under God and meet like

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a husband that was a man of
God. And he brought him to me

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like and more. That's so amazing, and this is something I'm passionate about

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education and my I did an interview
last night and I said that our education

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system needs to be completely overhauled.
And this is just another example of how

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you know, education system and teaching
these things hide Scott, Yeah, it

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really does. I feel really strongly
about this, and it's a big reason

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why I'm very much feeling pulled to
homeschooling because like, how am I going?

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Even Christian schools And I haven't done
too too much research into this yet

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because it's still a few years away
for us, but I mean even Christian

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schools and a lot of Christian churches
they still believe in, you know,

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the heliocentric model, which really doesn't
make any any sense to me at this

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point. And like I I know
that you do a good job of this

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too, of like you know,
I was there once, you were there

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once, of not really waking up
to that information. But I mean with

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all of the evidence, like all
of the evidence in our physical world,

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like physical experiments being done, and
then also everything that the Bible says,

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I don't they can't exist at the
same time because one was created to completely

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disprove the other. That's such an
important point one hundred percent. And I

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talk about and with my buddies and
stuff, the challenges of having or having

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your child being in church. You
know, if you count Sunday school in

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church, and even count on Wednesday
night three hours a week at church versus

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thirty hours a week at school,
it's it's an uphill battle. And that's

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why it's so important if you are
going to send your child to a public

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school. You know, obviously number
one, be cognizant of what that they're

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putting in your child's mind. And
these things you can't get around, and

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it's you know, it seems harden
less on the outside, but you yourself

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are and I've so many people that
I've interviewed over the years are proof that

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the education system is as much as
a hindrance as a help. Yes,

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And I think that's the point their
point. You were actually the person that

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kind of introduced a lot of the
chronological history with like the hijacking of the

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education system. And there's another there's
some other resources that I saw, and

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I really appreciated your podcast too because
I was able to then go take those

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kind of keywords that I heard you
say about the roth Child and just the

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different missions like uh, Dominique and
I'm like blanking on just throwing them around

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and all that other stuff. Yeah, yes, yes, like able to

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go then research those all on their
own, you know. And I feel

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like when a lot of people,
like, let's say, you bring up

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you know, the flat earth with
someone and then they want to go research

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it or they hear it somewhere,
well, obviously the Internet is designed to

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hot like the algorithm is designed to
only put the bogus claims of flat earth

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that it's like a floating disk or
whatever, nothing that's true. And I

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feel like that does kind of just
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yeah, that's ridiculous. That's And
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because we were talking about the school
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they taught us about the globe and
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were teaching us about the globe model, and I remember like driving to and

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that doesn't make sense, like if
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like how are some people literally upside
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it never made sense. And I
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even thinking about it in simple terms
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sense. Yeah. I just replied
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falling stars. I said, why
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Australia if they're upside down? That
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them right right, And wouldn't they
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there's somebody here's the thing. And
I got a lot of emails and I'm

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not, by any way, shape
or form, am I telling people not

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to send me emails about this,
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are in a quandary, like they're
they're on the flat earth fence, and

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then somebody will ask them a question, whether it be the Southern Cross or

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you know, just random things out
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on right, like the well,
how do you explain it the tides or

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how do you explain the eclipse?
Right right? Right? But that doesn't

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make it ground but what were you
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we don't have an answer for everything, does it make it round? Just

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because there's so many fallacies with or
you know, issues with heliocentrism, with

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we can see too far. Gravity
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It is one hundred percent theory.
Albert Einstein was asked, how does

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it feel to be the smartest man
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know. As Tesla that was his
All of these people who play on the

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world stage will play their hand,
just like buzz Aldrin with his interview with

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the little Girl. Oh we didn't
go right right and but but the most

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important thing is just because we can't
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it automatically it defaults back to flat
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ball because for me, at some
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things I questioned as a child.
I think we brought this up before.

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When you're first born, when you're
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what it really is, and then
you were actually programmed to believe something completely

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else than what you see. Oh
and why would anybody think that they were

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telling us things that weren't true.
Yeah again, grow up, right,

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a truther, you know, I knew

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they lied about everything. Oh except
we lived on a round ball. That

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water stuck too, that was hurtling
through space. And once again, that

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was one of those things. I
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discerning in my thought, right.
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was on the same day that I'm
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showed us like why we could never
be living on a flat earth because they

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show the ships falling off the edge
of the water. That's why they give

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you the Christopher Columbus story, right
right, And so you're thinking like,

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oh my gosh, that's so stupid, and then like that's you. That's

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your thought of flat earth from age
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that is the stupidest thing to believe. And so that I think that's

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why so many people have such an
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interesting how triggering it is for certain people

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to hear the words like flat earth. You know, I it's it's amazing

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to me because we were all part
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get on this side, it's so
frustrating, like we say to ourselves,

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how can people not see it?
And then you take a step back and

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think, well, I used to
delete emails when people would send me this,

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thinking, man, what's wrong with
these people? Did they sniff in

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too much glue or something? Right? And then you wake up and see

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it. You're just like wow.
But as you progress and you think about

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these things, and then you,
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back and researching old television and movie
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Contagion and I took like thirty pages
of notes, and that day from the

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movie Contagient during COVID of the movie
Contagion from twenty twelve, I don't know

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that one, so go check it
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It was a big movie on contagion. The movie started there in this casino

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in like Hong Kong or something,
and the guy has a drink. He's

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sick, he like sneezes. He
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waitress walks by. He puts the
drink on the waitresses thing and she touches

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it gives it to the dishwasher.
The next day they're all dead. So

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it was like eight years. But
it was like the same story of COVID,

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right it starts spreading around the world
and everything else. But there were

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so many hidden messages in that movie. I would stop and take so many

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notes. There's so many Easter eggs
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well, wait a second, if
it's this way for COVID, I

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wonder if there's programming and TV and
me and my wife Ween and Ji,

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we will watch old TV from like, you know, the fifties and sixties,

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and we were watching Leave It to
Beaver, Like we got done watching

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this episode, and like there was
thirteen shots in the whole movie where there

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was a globe in there. I'm
like, that's odd that because he was

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even talking in the mirror and in
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We started watching other shows and then
I went down this rabbit hole. Then

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you know all that you know,
before the movie start, it's got universal

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the big globe, going back to
the twenties, before we even went to

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the moon. And then I realized
then how much programming goes into the globe.

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Theory. And that's why it triggers
people, because so many times a

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day they see a globe, whether
it be on TV or in a movie

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or in there you know, they're
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globe in most of the classrooms you
walk into. So you have been so

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programmed to believe that we live on
a globe. Anything you know that opposes

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it is just silly. And the
triggering we hear people like I said,

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it just goes to show how much
effort they put into the globboks. Yeah,

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I agree, And who wants to
believe that they've been programmed? Nobody,

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because that means you've been fooled.
And we're all, you know,

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prideful people, and we you know. That was part of the reason I

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was upset, because I kind of
consider myself a fairly critical thinker. I'm

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a problem solver, and that I
remember still to this day, standing in

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front of my hands in my pocket, shaken my head for like an hour

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and like like where do you start
over again? And then for me,

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I was already doing the other podcast, and I was excited to tell everybody

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one, Hey, guys, guess
what we were fulled? And the next

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day, my email was full of
I used to enjoy your podcast, which

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are obviously a moron. Yeah,
and that's what surprises me too. Again,

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there's so many people, even within
the truth community who won't open up

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and take some just look into it. But again, I was that guy

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too, so I can't be too
judgmental. Right, Yeah, it's true.

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an inkling towards it, but they
don't want to be labeled as that because

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that's just kind of the type of
person they are, their personality. Especially

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in the age of TikTok and Facebook
and right, we all want to be

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liked and if you bring that up, you're going to go from like like,

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like David Weiss says, if you
want to lose the respect of your

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friends and family, just come out
as a flat earther. Hey, But

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yeah, I guess I just don't
really feel that way with it. Like

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I remember telling people at work and
I wasn't even ashamed of it because I

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feel like I'm like relatively confident in
my intelligence. So I just feel like,

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not to sound like arrogant or anything, I just like I know what

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I've what I've researched and what I
found out and just kind of like the

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whole like just thoughts coming together and
connecting that, like I know that we're

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not wrong, and I know that
if if we were wrong, I know

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God would have convicted me about it
by now, because he convicts me of

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so many things, And like when
you pray for truth for so long and

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it just keeps getting reconfirmed, like
it's just something I'm like so confident in.

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And it's like if they if they
zoomed out and showed me the curve

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and they showed like showed me any
sort of like even a small amount of

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evidence that it was a ball,
maybe I would rethink it. But I

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know that they're never gone to be
able to do that because everything is cgi,

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everything is edited, and it's just
not going to happen. I know.

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Even recently and probably saw this,
like the the most recent like Moon

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visits watch, I didn't even know
about it until I saw like something about

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it online and I went. My
thing is like I go to like NASA's

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website, I go to their YouTube, I look at what they're putting out

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there, and I'm like, this
is all like how do people not see

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through this like this is if this
was real, Like I don't know.

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It's just so fake to me,
like from the videos of them like playing

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in their imaginary space station to like
just on their website, like what their

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current missions that they're working, Like
none of it makes sense and I don't

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know. And I've been on C
one thirty, C five's Chinook's uh sixties.

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When I look at the wiring on
that thing, I just laugh out

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loud. It's wairs everywhere. I
think now, even with the Moon landing,

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and I think I think a lot
of people at this point they're like,

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Okay, there's a good chance we
didn't go to the Moon because you

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take one look at the ship and
everyone knows, like, ha ha,

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it looks like it's made out of
aluminum foil like it actually does. Sure,

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and that's just one out of one
hundred or more reasons why we definitely

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did not go there. And so
I think people are like, Okay,

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yeah, maybe we you know,
we didn't go. But their reasoning is

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like, well, maybe you know, we were just trying to win the

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race, and that doesn't mean that
like the Earth is that they were lying

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about other things. But I'm like, if they lied about that, then

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why would you think that any of
it was real? And that's the question.

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It sounds like, I hope it
doesn't sound like I'm coming across as

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like, oh, it's so obvious, because like for me, I feel

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like it is obvious. But that's
just because like you have to like look

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at it and it accepted for what
it is. But I don't know.

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Yeah, no, no, I
always try to do the same thing.

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I don't want to ever come off
as sounding crass or anything. That's why

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I always end the thing with I'm
not the best person ever. No,

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no you're not. It's no,
no, you're You're the same. We

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were all on the other side at
one time. But it is funny because

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once you realize it, it's just
it's it's even I'm way past the science

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part of it. I mean,
I still've done the moon temperature experiments,

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curvageure, just all of that.
But at the end of the day,

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it's just you get it and you
understand that the ball is such not there's

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so many aspects to the globe that
is just complete nonsense. And then you

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can get into the numerology the people
involved. It's just and you have to

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understand that the world we live in, it's at the end of the day,

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it's not about democrats versus Republicans.
It's not about the Washington Commanders versus

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the Dallas Cowboys, on and on
and on. It's a battle of good

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versus evil. And Satan cannot create
anything, so he deceives us and he

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prefers things. So and this is
the greatest well, I guess the second

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greatest deception. They say the first
is Satan. Getting people to believe that

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Satan doesn't exist is number one.
But I'm calling you know. The Big

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Three are very evil and they're prevalent
in our education system, and that is

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the Big Bank theory, evolution,
and heliocentrism. And those three together are

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hiding God from children across this country
and the world. Yeah. And the

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funny thing is, the three things
that you just mentioned are all theories,

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like the Big Bang theory, the
theory and evolution and the theory of gravity.

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They're all theories. Yep. Yes, indeed, that's why you know,

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we were back going up into the
fifties, a very morals based country

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and Bibles and schools were very,
very common. And when you lose that

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moral compass. You know, things
start spinning out, you know, spinning

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out of control. And now scientism
has taken hold of our education system,

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which was the plan all the way
back one hundred years ago with the Rockefellers.

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But again they boil the frog.
They do it generationally. They just

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can't do it overnight because people would
notice it. But now it's to the

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point that needing to care, they
just throw it in our faces. I

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did want to talk a little bit
about because you did go through that spell

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of dealing with new wage and things
like that. What was it that kind

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of got you into that and what
are the dangers you can kind of say

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to the audience about it. Well, first of all, it's very dangerous,

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even if you think your intentions are
pure. But for me, so

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I started going to a hot yoga
studio, and I was a gymnast growing

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up, and so a lot of
the movements from yoga kind of like reminded

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me of just like you know,
things that my body kind of liked doing,

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just anything like physical exercise. This
was at a time that I was

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like in college at like a party
school. I went to Michigan State,

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so like I had gained a lot
of weight, like my mental health was

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not good. It's a lot of
alcohol consumption, which is another thing that's

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obviously extremely dangerous and is poison.
But I went to this class and immediately

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00:35:17.280 --> 00:35:22.719
I kind of realized like how stiff
I was and like how out of shape

410
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I was, and it really made
me want to start going back. They

411
00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:31.519
heed the room, so you're just
like sweating all this, you know,

412
00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:36.599
all these toxins out and you kind
of leave feeling like you're on like a

413
00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:42.840
temporary high. And something else about
yoga that I learned once I did my

414
00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:49.559
yoga teacher training is that it actually
is a religion. Yoga is a religion

415
00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:53.960
in and of itself, and you
know, I learned more things about how

416
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like the poses are kind of like
praising different deities and gods. But you

417
00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:06.360
know, I don't really get too
into that. I just know it was

418
00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:10.519
kind of like the gateway into that
realm for me at least. So from

419
00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:19.079
yoga, I started meditating, and
like in terms of like manifesting and like

420
00:36:19.199 --> 00:36:22.840
working hand in hand with the universe, it's very it's a lot of things

421
00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:28.960
that are very much out there right
now that a lot of people I think

422
00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:32.760
are clinging to I definitely did.
There's a lot of books that you can

423
00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:37.360
read. There's one called You Are
a Badass that I read that was all

424
00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:42.960
about you know, she called God
in the universe interchangeably. So I thought

425
00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:47.599
that was okay, and it was
just very much so like we're all one.

426
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And I didn't mention this, but
like I said, anything under the

427
00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:59.480
sun, like I was, I
was experimenting with like mushrooms and just like

428
00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:04.800
that. Further, because all this
spirituality, like it's not that it's not

429
00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:10.039
real, like there is a spiritual
realm, it's just without God and without

430
00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:15.360
knowing and respecting the truth of Him, like there, it's not going to

431
00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:19.920
save you from anything. Like there's
only one God that can do that,

432
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and that is God the Father through
his son Jesus Christ, who died for

433
00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:32.039
our sins so that we could be
in right relationship with Him as long as

434
00:37:32.079 --> 00:37:37.320
we surrender our faith to him.
And that's that is like the simple truth.

435
00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:45.280
But yeah, so I I had
like some very spiritual experiences like with

436
00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:52.199
yoga, with mushrooms, with even
with crystals, and then it got to

437
00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:57.840
the point and this is where I
think it gets really dangerous, is I

438
00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:00.679
because my life was so chaos while
I was doing all these things, and

439
00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:04.800
I just kept trying to tell myself, like if I get this crystal,

440
00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:07.280
if I did that, like I'll
be protected or this or that, and

441
00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:13.480
like I was so wrapped up in
it, like I don't know a better

442
00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:15.960
word, but like possessed by it, that I couldn't actually see that my

443
00:38:16.039 --> 00:38:24.159
life was so chaotic and it was
just one thing after another and heartbreak and

444
00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:30.400
this and that. And it got
to the point where I went to go

445
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:37.639
see a psychic and I was also, of course, like me at that

446
00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:40.199
time, you can imagine like the
type of people that were surrounding me were

447
00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:49.920
kind of also experimenting and doing similar
things. So like I wasn't really having

448
00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:57.360
like healthy relationships with the friends and
just people in my life. I hope

449
00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:00.840
it's not like too big. But
I went to go see a psycha Gig

450
00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:05.239
and she was kind of telling me
how I was like in a very weak

451
00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:09.119
spot. This was right after like
my boyfriend and I broke up. I

452
00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:13.400
had like I was working. This
is another thing that's kind of funny,

453
00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:21.119
George's I was working in pharmaceutical sales
really yeah, which was like a whole

454
00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:25.000
other thing, but a whole other
eye opening experience because I started in the

455
00:39:25.039 --> 00:39:30.719
industry like right as COVID was happening, and it was just like I was

456
00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:34.679
kind of like, Wow, it
seems like they're all working together on this,

457
00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:37.880
Like all the back end meetings and
things like that, of like going

458
00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:43.960
virtual and all that. I was
like, something's off, oh and something

459
00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:46.079
Sorry, I'm just gonna jump around
one more time. We had we were

460
00:39:46.159 --> 00:39:52.079
launching a new product, so we
were having our virtual training and kick off

461
00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:58.519
the week they invited on. Oh
my gosh, they invited on an astronaut

462
00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:04.239
to tell us about his mission to
space. Oh boy, this is like

463
00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:07.880
a huge farm. This is Merk, like one of the biggest pharmaceutical costs,

464
00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:09.760
and that's the company Brandy Vaughan worked. Are you familiar with her story?

465
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:13.679
No, I'm not. I'll send
you a link when we're done.

466
00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:16.320
And for the folks listening, I
think I did an episode. She was

467
00:40:16.360 --> 00:40:22.400
a sales representative for Merk. She
turned became a anti vaxxer, and she

468
00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:25.960
died suddenly at the age of forty
four. A lot of a lot of

469
00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:31.039
the quarter claim uh just said that
she died of natural causes, but obviously

470
00:40:31.039 --> 00:40:36.880
a lot of people out there because
I think she ran a website called learntherrisk

471
00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:42.960
dot com and she did all these
public speeches about that the dangers of big

472
00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:45.119
pharma, and then boom, she
just passed away. I thinks she was

473
00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:49.320
forty four. I mean, how
many people passed away forty four at natural

474
00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:54.199
causes? Right? Oh that's unfortunate. Sorry, go ahead, No,

475
00:40:54.320 --> 00:41:00.559
that's okay. It was just like, looking back, I'm like they brought

476
00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:04.559
on an astronaut to like drive this
because a lot of people were on this.

477
00:41:05.199 --> 00:41:12.679
It was like a nationwide call.
And I don't know, I just

478
00:41:12.679 --> 00:41:15.280
thought it was so ironic that they
brought on like an astronaut to tell us

479
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:20.880
about how he went to space?
What was his first of all, what

480
00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:23.840
does his story have to do with
like what they were launching. Well,

481
00:41:23.880 --> 00:41:31.679
it was like a heart failure product
that really didn't have good study like numbers,

482
00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:38.639
but like he was comparing how like
him going to space and like them

483
00:41:38.679 --> 00:41:45.800
exploring space is like doing work for
humanity, just like us launching this heart

484
00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:51.880
failure product. Okay, ands of
I think I'm dead serious. It was

485
00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:55.800
like worse than what I'm even saying
because I'm just kind of like giving you

486
00:41:55.840 --> 00:42:00.840
the cliff notes. But how like
we go hand in hand with each other

487
00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:07.039
pretty much shave in humanity while I'm
down at the Universal Studios filming my time

488
00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:13.239
in space, right, And you
know what's weird. I do think a

489
00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:17.239
lot of these guys think that they
are like helping people through their deception.

490
00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:22.880
That's the twisted part of it.
Yeah, I think so too, because

491
00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:28.960
like I'm starting to realize the ability
for like a person to lie to themselves

492
00:42:29.519 --> 00:42:36.559
is like, and believe the lies
that they're telling themselves is like is crazy.

493
00:42:38.719 --> 00:42:45.199
Yeah, it is crazy, indeed
unbelievable. While we're still in this

494
00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:47.800
topic, and you know, since
we're on murk and everything, did you

495
00:42:47.840 --> 00:42:52.280
want to talk a little bit about
your journey through COVID and how you saw

496
00:42:52.360 --> 00:43:00.920
things and if it affected you directly. Yeah. So yeah, we're kind

497
00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:04.119
of like jumping like back and forth
in my story, but I feel that

498
00:43:04.239 --> 00:43:08.800
hopefully it's still easy to follow.
But so like when I graduated college,

499
00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:15.840
became a yoga teacher, like spiritual, like trying to manifest, you know,

500
00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:21.960
I wanted to like be a start
in Los Angeles, so I moved

501
00:43:21.960 --> 00:43:27.679
there. Wow, And like there
was a lot of darkness in Hollywood that

502
00:43:27.760 --> 00:43:31.760
I noticed, Like I was protected
from some of it just because of my

503
00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:36.480
experiences. It's kind of funny because
like as we're talking about this, I'm

504
00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:40.280
realizing, like college, it was
like the dangers of like alcohol and being

505
00:43:40.360 --> 00:43:46.000
like blinded by that poison. Yeah, and then like dealing with like in

506
00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:52.199
Los Angeles, like just kind of
more like sexual immorality type things than just

507
00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:57.719
the dangers that go along with that, and like healing from things like from

508
00:43:57.800 --> 00:44:02.760
childhood, well not facing from childhood
yet, and like just kind of the

509
00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:07.800
spiritual deception that comes along with like
they say, like you have to go

510
00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:13.679
inwards to heal and like you don't
need anybody else but yourself, that whole

511
00:44:13.719 --> 00:44:19.880
mindset, which I definitely tried my
hardest to do that, but I'm telling

512
00:44:19.960 --> 00:44:27.639
you, no one, you can't
heal yourself. And then when COVID hit,

513
00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:32.239
so I had started like this business
in Los Angeles, like in like

514
00:44:32.320 --> 00:44:38.320
twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, and
it was about yoga, wellness and meditation,

515
00:44:39.239 --> 00:44:46.599
and I marketed programs to seniors.
So when COVID hit, and I

516
00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:51.159
was working with like an older man
at the time, who was like ended

517
00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:57.760
up being like a common artist.
But when COVID hit, like that was

518
00:44:57.800 --> 00:45:02.119
like a good opportunity for me to
like step away from that because one my

519
00:45:02.239 --> 00:45:09.519
partner was like no good and two
obviously I couldn't really get to my client

520
00:45:09.559 --> 00:45:14.360
base because a lot of things were
about to shut down sure, especially like

521
00:45:14.480 --> 00:45:19.400
senior like assisted living places being like
at the top of that list. So

522
00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:23.280
that's why I moved back home and
was I was like, I'll just become

523
00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:29.119
like a pharmaceutical sales rap because like
I was just desperately wanting like a stable

524
00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:35.000
job, and my dad worked for
Mark too, and like after the whole

525
00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:38.679
like stint of like trying to start
my own business, like I was doing

526
00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:45.800
like cold calling and like market research
and like doing all these things that was

527
00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:51.000
like so hard just to like be
able to pay my bills. So I

528
00:45:51.039 --> 00:45:54.199
was like, well, if I
have all this all these resources from like

529
00:45:54.239 --> 00:46:00.400
a pharma company, like obviously I'm
going to succeed at it. So they

530
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:06.679
hired me, and I ended up
like moving to Cincinnati for a year,

531
00:46:06.920 --> 00:46:12.119
and that's when COVID hit. So
it was January, like I saw COVID

532
00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:19.039
on the TV for the first time, and honestly, like it didn't really

533
00:46:19.119 --> 00:46:28.199
affect me because I never believed in
it, and then like I just kind

534
00:46:28.199 --> 00:46:31.320
of thought it was ridiculous and like
they I was like spending time at home

535
00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:38.599
during the shutdowns, and I don't
know, it was kind of a weird

536
00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:43.920
time. Like of course things were
limited on what you could do, but

537
00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:50.920
that June, so I don't think
we were necessarily like in lockdown mode at

538
00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:55.800
that time. But that's when I
transferred to Cincinnati, So like I went

539
00:46:55.880 --> 00:47:01.599
through like I moved, went through
like a home relocation and like started a

540
00:47:01.639 --> 00:47:06.920
new job, as like many people
were losing their jobs. So I was

541
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:10.840
having like a really different experience than
like the majority of the population. I

542
00:47:10.880 --> 00:47:15.800
feel like, and I keep saying
it didn't affect me, because like it

543
00:47:15.880 --> 00:47:22.199
really didn't. I feel like I
didn't really let it into my mental space.

544
00:47:22.360 --> 00:47:24.760
That's not that I was being insensitive, but I just really thought the

545
00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:30.679
whole thing was so silly, and
like I knew people like people were actually

546
00:47:30.679 --> 00:47:34.920
getting sick, and I know that
it was like a real virus, but

547
00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:42.800
I know that they like introduced it
into the population, and that like we

548
00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:45.119
didn't like not that we didn't have
to be scared of it, but like

549
00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:52.199
I feel like I wasn't going to
give them that power, and I feel

550
00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:55.880
like, I don't know, it's
really sad because I feel like a lot

551
00:47:55.920 --> 00:48:00.960
of people like fall victim to it
depending on like their circle stances and stuff,

552
00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:06.679
which is really unfortunate and it's like
obviously so wrong what they did.

553
00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:15.920
But yeah, like when the like
when they mentioned like they were coming out

554
00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:19.559
with the vaccine that quick, I
don't know. I knew I was never

555
00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:22.239
going to get it, and I
was kind of shocked at like some of

556
00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:29.880
the people around me that like were
like running to get it and then like

557
00:48:30.519 --> 00:48:35.760
I don't know the So the boyfriend
that I had at the time, like

558
00:48:35.880 --> 00:48:37.920
his mom for example, was like
she was a nurse, so she's like

559
00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:42.880
I get to get like first access
to the vaccine. She was like bragging

560
00:48:42.920 --> 00:48:45.320
about it, and I'm like,
oh my gosh, like that's concerning,

561
00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:51.000
and then like I wouldn't get the
vaccine, and he got like very angry

562
00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:55.280
with me and was like calling me
selfish and stuff because my actions were going

563
00:48:55.360 --> 00:48:59.840
to really impact other people and like
make them sick. And I just was

564
00:48:59.840 --> 00:49:04.559
like, this is all like they're
trying to like shame people that won't go

565
00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:08.360
along with what their agenda is,
and people are falling for it. And

566
00:49:08.519 --> 00:49:14.840
that's when I really like, I
don't know, I was really liberal in

567
00:49:14.920 --> 00:49:19.039
my earlier life, and this was
like when I first started realizing that I

568
00:49:19.159 --> 00:49:24.360
was not like shifting away from that, which I know that the whole like

569
00:49:24.840 --> 00:49:30.239
the political party is like, that's
not the issue, like you said,

570
00:49:30.239 --> 00:49:35.119
it's of good and evil. But
so that was kind of COVID. So

571
00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:37.920
yeah, that was like a big
thing. I guess it was kind of

572
00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:42.800
a blessing because it was one of
the reasons why we ended up splitting,

573
00:49:44.159 --> 00:49:50.119
because obviously he wasn't the person that
God had for me. Like they say,

574
00:49:50.119 --> 00:49:53.199
everything happens for a reason, right, Yeah, And what's surprising to

575
00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:57.440
me is, I mean, here
you are. I don't know how long

576
00:49:57.440 --> 00:50:01.559
you were actually in the pharmaceutical business, but even being in that realm for

577
00:50:01.599 --> 00:50:06.400
a while, those people that you
were just talking about, they didn't take

578
00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:09.920
your experience with mirk at. It
was just no, this is what the

579
00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:15.840
government says, that's what it should
be. Yeah. Well, so I

580
00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:21.400
worked for mirk and then I transferred
to a different No, they didn't but

581
00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:25.719
even when I tried to like get
into conversations about it, he would just

582
00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:30.280
like reference like, you know,
different organizations and different studies, and I'm

583
00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:34.480
like kind of trying to explain to
him, like all these like the same

584
00:50:34.519 --> 00:50:38.639
people that are writing those are the
same people that are saying like everyone's working

585
00:50:38.679 --> 00:50:45.760
together. But I also worked for
GSK and that's the company I worked for

586
00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:52.199
when I moved back to Los Angeles. And wait, shoot, what was

587
00:50:52.239 --> 00:50:55.679
I going to say? Oh,
yeah, they were trying to force the

588
00:50:57.320 --> 00:51:01.000
mandate, the vaccine mandate where you
had to show the proof for you know,

589
00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:06.960
you know how some people lost their
jobs. My wife, Oh yeah,

590
00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:09.880
yeah, a lot of people lost
their job. And so when I

591
00:51:09.920 --> 00:51:13.559
heard about this mandate, I'm like, oh my gosh, Like, well,

592
00:51:13.599 --> 00:51:15.400
I know I'm not going to get
the vaccine. I was like,

593
00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:17.719
I might like love my job,
like but again, like I don't know,

594
00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:22.000
I had some sort of peace about
it, and luckily, like I

595
00:51:22.119 --> 00:51:30.679
found this resource that helped me write
a letter of an exemption letter, and

596
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:35.280
you know, I submitted it to
my company, and I remember my manager

597
00:51:35.519 --> 00:51:37.119
at the time, like he was
doing a ride along with me that day,

598
00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:43.119
and I guess like word got out
that I was doing an exemption for

599
00:51:43.199 --> 00:51:45.280
the vaccine. He's like, yeah, good luck with that. Like if

600
00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:51.679
you were on you know, like
you'd be like fired in a second or

601
00:51:51.719 --> 00:51:59.519
they're gonna like so because I was
I was working from with a contracting company,

602
00:51:59.719 --> 00:52:05.440
so he wasn't technically my manager,
but I was like a rep on

603
00:52:05.480 --> 00:52:08.679
his team, if that makes sense
to managers. But like I was hired

604
00:52:08.679 --> 00:52:13.440
by a different company. So he's
like if you were, if you were

605
00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:16.199
on my team, like you'd be
fired like all this stuff. And I

606
00:52:16.239 --> 00:52:20.920
was like, I just like stayed
quiet, and like the company that I

607
00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:22.679
was working for like approved it,
so I didn't have to get it.

608
00:52:23.320 --> 00:52:25.800
And I don't think a lot of
people knew that you could do that.

609
00:52:28.559 --> 00:52:32.719
My brother had done it at his
university and it worked, and that's kind

610
00:52:32.719 --> 00:52:37.519
of part of the reason why I
knew about it. And of course my

611
00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:43.079
not and Papa, the Christians that
I mentioned earlier, like they've been privy

612
00:52:43.079 --> 00:52:47.559
to this stuff for so long,
like they are their eyes have been opened

613
00:52:47.559 --> 00:52:54.719
for so long on so many things. And yeah, they were like they

614
00:52:54.800 --> 00:53:00.159
were really on top of it with
the whole COVID thing, but they that

615
00:53:00.239 --> 00:53:05.039
me in this website that was like
you can you know, there was like

616
00:53:05.119 --> 00:53:09.119
templates of like let's say Christian or
Buddhist or whatever. So I said I

617
00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:14.760
was Buddhist and that like, I'm
not going to do medical intervention if,

618
00:53:15.159 --> 00:53:19.920
like my if I'm not in a
state of emergency. And you could have

619
00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:23.920
like adapted that to like any religion. Yeah, I think the frontline doctors

620
00:53:23.920 --> 00:53:29.039
had that template because my wife did
the same thing. It uses basically your

621
00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:30.960
religion and all these other things and
it puts the template together for your hers

622
00:53:31.000 --> 00:53:36.599
got denied. I think only five
out of I forget it was an astronomical

623
00:53:36.639 --> 00:53:38.559
number, but only five got approved
out of what however, many got turned

624
00:53:38.599 --> 00:53:45.800
in here, which is Bay Health
Medical Center in Delaware. Oh my gosh.

625
00:53:45.920 --> 00:53:50.400
Yeah. See that's crazy. Good
for her, you know, for

626
00:53:50.519 --> 00:53:52.840
standing her ground. Yeah, you
just have to, You really have to,

627
00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:57.599
because I'm not like trying to be
a down or anything. But there's

628
00:53:57.599 --> 00:53:59.519
going to be time serart of life
where things are going to be worse.

629
00:53:59.800 --> 00:54:02.119
I said, twenty twenty was tough, but there's going to be a time.

630
00:54:02.119 --> 00:54:06.039
And it's in the Bible as well. If you follow Christ, you're

631
00:54:06.039 --> 00:54:08.679
going to be persecuted. You should
expect it and it's up to you.

632
00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:13.920
Again, I say this all the
time. If Man's law crosses God's law,

633
00:54:13.960 --> 00:54:17.920
it's our duty, it's our responsibility
to ignore it. Yep, it

634
00:54:17.960 --> 00:54:22.400
is. And it tells us that
Ray in the Bible. Sure does.

635
00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:24.960
By the way, you worked for
GSK, huge company out of Britain,

636
00:54:25.199 --> 00:54:30.039
out of the UK. Last year
they had like a forty billion dollars and

637
00:54:30.280 --> 00:54:34.679
forty billion dollars in revenue, but
they also had one of the biggest fines

638
00:54:35.519 --> 00:54:39.719
in history, was it? They
pleaded guilty to promotion of drugs for unapproved

639
00:54:39.800 --> 00:54:47.119
uses, failure to report safety data
KICKBAX to physicians, one of the largest

640
00:54:47.119 --> 00:54:51.920
health care fraud cases in the United
States, right up there with Johnson and

641
00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:54.760
Johnson's or pfisers. I'm sorry,
like two point nine billion dollars, so

642
00:54:54.840 --> 00:55:00.360
right about the same as pfisers back
in the day. Yeah. Yeah,

643
00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:01.920
it's like you should have heard some
of the things that they would say on

644
00:55:02.039 --> 00:55:07.960
like the nationwide calls, like especially
just k Like one woman was saying,

645
00:55:08.360 --> 00:55:14.679
because we had we were talking about
how do we promote our product more?

646
00:55:14.719 --> 00:55:16.440
And she was like she said,
how do we get the coke drinker to

647
00:55:16.519 --> 00:55:21.440
drink more coke is what she said, yep. And I'm like this must

648
00:55:21.440 --> 00:55:24.400
have been like a historically used phrase
and like there, but I'm like what.

649
00:55:24.639 --> 00:55:28.639
And then they were talking about how
do we use COVID to our advantage

650
00:55:28.679 --> 00:55:31.719
to sell more because it was like
an inhaler that we were promoting, and

651
00:55:32.880 --> 00:55:37.079
how can we use COVID to our
advantage? Like how can we use these

652
00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:44.800
because there was weather issues in or
air quality issues in Los Angeles at this

653
00:55:44.880 --> 00:55:50.360
time, They're like, how can
we use these fires to our advantage?

654
00:55:51.280 --> 00:55:54.599
And I was like I got to
get out of this industry like now,

655
00:55:55.000 --> 00:56:02.159
like yesterday, I hated it.
It just felt really And then you probably

656
00:56:02.199 --> 00:56:07.159
I don't know if you've seen that
Dope Sick Show on Hulu, but I

657
00:56:07.239 --> 00:56:10.960
remember watching that like right after I
like, well, I kind of got

658
00:56:10.960 --> 00:56:21.519
myself fired. But and it was
talking about, you know, the opiod

659
00:56:21.559 --> 00:56:28.559
crisis, and I really really related
to the sales routs on that show.

660
00:56:30.679 --> 00:56:37.199
This of course it wasn't as serious
as sure that drug specifically, but just

661
00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:42.599
the concept absolutely, and going back
to what you were talking about earlier with

662
00:56:43.679 --> 00:56:45.679
you know, you would try to
talk to these people but because of you

663
00:56:45.679 --> 00:56:50.280
know what doctor Fouts you said on
TV or whatever. If you really want

664
00:56:50.280 --> 00:56:52.719
to go down some rabbit holes and
learn how the government works, just go

665
00:56:52.800 --> 00:56:58.239
to any search engine and put in
fear and social control. There are so

666
00:56:58.360 --> 00:57:02.559
many well written articles about how governments
controlled people through fear. It is a

667
00:57:02.719 --> 00:57:09.639
tool that they've been using for centuries. Yes, I'm sure you read the

668
00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:15.280
real Anthony Fauci. Have you heard
of blat one? Yeah, that's one

669
00:57:15.320 --> 00:57:21.199
my aunt had told me to read. I remember like reading just the first

670
00:57:21.280 --> 00:57:24.360
chapter and I was like that,
I think because I found out more about

671
00:57:24.719 --> 00:57:29.599
when I was finding out about this, like that's what really made me mad.

672
00:57:30.679 --> 00:57:34.360
And then when I found out about
flat earth, it was just like

673
00:57:35.400 --> 00:57:42.840
I almost felt like relieved. But
sorry, you switched audio, so I

674
00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:46.320
don't know if it's still connected.
No, you're I didn't touch anything.

675
00:57:46.320 --> 00:57:53.440
I promise you're here coming through loud
and clear. Okay. Yeah, but

676
00:57:53.599 --> 00:57:58.760
again, even just like with how
your podcast served as like a good research

677
00:57:58.800 --> 00:58:01.480
for research for me to do more
research like this book, like you could

678
00:58:01.599 --> 00:58:07.559
research everything that they were talking about. Yeah, there's I didn't read the

679
00:58:07.559 --> 00:58:09.400
whole thing, to be honest,
I didn't really feel like I needed to

680
00:58:09.440 --> 00:58:15.000
read the whole thing. I felt
like it even just in the first few

681
00:58:15.079 --> 00:58:21.639
chapters, I was like, whoa, yeah, it's you know, it's

682
00:58:21.679 --> 00:58:23.239
funny. I talk to people all
the time who are expats who live in

683
00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:30.559
other countries like Ecuador, Costa Rica
or wherever, maybe Hungary, and when

684
00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:34.400
they come to the United States,
they're like just blown away by all the

685
00:58:34.679 --> 00:58:40.119
advertisements on TV from big pharmaceutical because
US and New Zealand are the only two

686
00:58:40.159 --> 00:58:46.119
countries in the entire world who are
allowed to have these commercials air on TV.

687
00:58:49.480 --> 00:58:54.159
Wow. Yeah that speaks volumes.
Yep. Those commercials are so eerie

688
00:58:54.440 --> 00:59:00.559
every time. If anything, definitely
the vaccine ones. Yeah, they'll tell

689
00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:02.239
you, you know, do you
have exima, you know, try this,

690
00:59:02.800 --> 00:59:07.280
it'll help, it might help.
They always say moderate to severe cirrhosis

691
00:59:07.480 --> 00:59:13.519
or something XMA or whatever, plax
right, yeah, yeah, And then

692
00:59:13.559 --> 00:59:15.880
for the next thirty seconds, it's
just all these things that could happen to

693
00:59:15.880 --> 00:59:20.800
you that are much more detrimental to
your health than a skin condition. It

694
00:59:21.039 --> 00:59:24.159
just blows my mind. I know. It's like, if you're having thoughts

695
00:59:24.159 --> 00:59:29.199
on suicide, stop immediately. Yeah, are you kidding? I think I'm

696
00:59:29.199 --> 00:59:37.079
trying to help my skin. Oh
my goodness. So, uh yeah,

697
00:59:37.119 --> 00:59:40.320
you've been. You've brought up your
grandparents several times that that was next on

698
00:59:40.400 --> 00:59:45.920
my list is have your Have you
introduced this to your grandparents yet? The

699
00:59:45.920 --> 00:59:52.440
theory of the theory of flatter Yes? Yes, I actually they were the

700
00:59:52.440 --> 00:59:58.079
first people. After I saw that
video of that Creator talking about I kind

701
00:59:58.079 --> 01:00:00.639
of pulled up that picture. I
showed it to my nana Papa, and

702
01:00:00.679 --> 01:00:05.599
I was kind of like, what
shape do you think the earth is?

703
01:00:05.679 --> 01:00:10.079
And you know, I could tell
that Mi Nana was like low key probably

704
01:00:10.079 --> 01:00:15.119
already a flat earther. But I
just know that she's like so focused on

705
01:00:15.199 --> 01:00:22.840
her faith and like so focused on
honestly probably praying for like all her grandchildren

706
01:00:22.840 --> 01:00:27.599
that haven't yet come to Jesus and
stuff. Like she's kind of like,

707
01:00:27.880 --> 01:00:31.079
well, I don't need to focus
too much about the shape of the earth.

708
01:00:31.599 --> 01:00:36.079
But once I started talking about it, like we got into some deep

709
01:00:36.159 --> 01:00:43.840
conversations. And at this point,
like I mean, like I talked to

710
01:00:43.880 --> 01:00:45.960
my mom about it. I talked
to my not and Papa about it,

711
01:00:46.599 --> 01:00:51.280
and even some of my siblings,
and like, when I talk to my

712
01:00:51.320 --> 01:00:53.519
mom about it, she's like,
well, yeah, like that's obvious type

713
01:00:53.599 --> 01:00:55.880
in, like she's just kind of
like on the same page as me,

714
01:00:57.639 --> 01:01:00.840
but she doesn't really feel the need
to like talk about it, like I

715
01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:07.119
have the need to talk about it, you know. And it was actually

716
01:01:07.320 --> 01:01:09.280
so I hadn't mentioned this, But
I had nine siblings by the way,

717
01:01:09.920 --> 01:01:15.840
so I'm one of ten. But
my this was like a few years before

718
01:01:16.199 --> 01:01:24.960
I ever really before I became a
flatter. My younger brother threw the idea

719
01:01:25.079 --> 01:01:29.280
out randomly in passing one time,
and I remember being like, are you

720
01:01:29.360 --> 01:01:31.639
crazy. So then when I did
find out that the Earth was flat,

721
01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:35.760
of course I went to him about
it. And he's younger than me,

722
01:01:35.840 --> 01:01:42.880
he's like twenty I think he's twenty
one, and like we were kind of

723
01:01:42.880 --> 01:01:46.000
going back and forth sending text messages, like he sent the picture of like

724
01:01:46.159 --> 01:01:52.199
the globe hurling through space with all
the I'm sorry, the sun hurling through

725
01:01:52.239 --> 01:01:58.400
space with all the other planets spinning
around it, and he's like, it's

726
01:01:58.519 --> 01:02:01.239
kind of crazy to believe that we've
just accepted this as true, ye,

727
01:02:02.119 --> 01:02:06.800
And I'm like yeah, And to
answer your question about like my not and

728
01:02:06.880 --> 01:02:13.079
papua, like I I was pulling
off so many videos on like one to

729
01:02:13.199 --> 01:02:16.840
your point about like all the propaganda
and the TV shows, even the cartoons.

730
01:02:19.360 --> 01:02:22.039
It's really great that like so many
people have taken the time to like

731
01:02:22.079 --> 01:02:25.440
compile these things. But I was
showing them some of those. And then

732
01:02:27.159 --> 01:02:32.199
my favorite is watching the NASA blue
Birds. So there's so many, and

733
01:02:32.320 --> 01:02:39.039
like my my favorite, I don't
my not on. Papa and I were

734
01:02:39.079 --> 01:02:45.840
watching one and it was like two
astronauts in quote unquote space and they just

735
01:02:45.880 --> 01:02:52.360
figured out how to do like three
G phone call between space and Earth,

736
01:02:52.639 --> 01:02:58.039
and the talk show host on Earth
was like to the audience, he was

737
01:02:58.079 --> 01:03:01.440
like, there's gonna be about an
eight second delay before they hear this because

738
01:03:01.440 --> 01:03:07.800
of like whatever the signals. So
he would say something and then they would

739
01:03:07.840 --> 01:03:14.079
wait eight seconds and then answer.
But the blooper was he said something that

740
01:03:14.239 --> 01:03:22.159
like warranted and ex the crowds like
applaud, and the boy astronaut accidentally reacted

741
01:03:22.280 --> 01:03:30.360
to him eight seconds. So I
never saw my papa laugh that hard,

742
01:03:30.400 --> 01:03:35.880
Like he was laughing so hard.
But so I had more conversations with mine

743
01:03:35.880 --> 01:03:37.320
not about it, and she's like, well, I don't know if Papa

744
01:03:37.360 --> 01:03:44.039
fully believes that because I don't know
if he's fully accepted that he's been lied

745
01:03:44.079 --> 01:03:45.840
to. It's just like kind of
like my husband, because of course I

746
01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:51.679
talked to him about this. I
don't exhaust the subject, but well I

747
01:03:51.719 --> 01:03:55.440
talk about it a lot, just
because for me, it's so interesting and

748
01:03:55.480 --> 01:04:02.679
I think it's important, and like
I share with him, like all the

749
01:04:02.679 --> 01:04:05.480
things I've found out, and every
single time he's like, all right,

750
01:04:05.519 --> 01:04:10.639
like you bring some good points up, like all right, and he like

751
01:04:10.760 --> 01:04:13.679
gives that to me. But then
like the next time I bring it up,

752
01:04:13.800 --> 01:04:15.280
he's like, well, I don't
know, I'm not fully convinced yet.

753
01:04:15.320 --> 01:04:20.719
So he's like one of those people
that's like not fully ready to like

754
01:04:23.320 --> 01:04:30.800
admit it, but like he has
all, yeah, all the resources in

755
01:04:30.800 --> 01:04:33.400
front of him type thing. That's
why I don't really push it too hard.

756
01:04:33.840 --> 01:04:41.519
But I don't know. Just nowadays, it's like we're like walking outside

757
01:04:41.519 --> 01:04:45.440
and I look up at the moon
and like you can see the blue sky

758
01:04:45.519 --> 01:04:50.039
behind it, and I'm like,
doesn't it doesn't the moon kind of look

759
01:04:50.159 --> 01:04:53.920
like you know, you can kind
of see like the sky behind it.

760
01:04:54.039 --> 01:04:56.239
He's like, oh yeah, Like
I don't really know, like if that's

761
01:04:56.239 --> 01:05:00.840
the sky or if that's just like
you know, the holes on the moon,

762
01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:03.159
and then like we look at the
same moon that night, but now

763
01:05:03.159 --> 01:05:08.039
it's like dark, the holes are
dark, and I'm like, oh,

764
01:05:08.039 --> 01:05:11.199
well, look you can see the
sky behind it. He's like all right,

765
01:05:11.599 --> 01:05:14.599
Like I don't know. When I
look at the moon, I'm like,

766
01:05:14.840 --> 01:05:19.639
we cann't land on that thing.
That thing's emitting light like and I'm

767
01:05:19.679 --> 01:05:25.920
sure you've seen when they shine light
off of a rock, like, it

768
01:05:25.960 --> 01:05:30.400
doesn't emit light like that. No, not at all. It's crazy.

769
01:05:31.000 --> 01:05:36.760
And even funnier is when they show
us the quote unquote pictures from the moon.

770
01:05:38.199 --> 01:05:44.119
Why is why is it always dark
and dusty? I mean, it's

771
01:05:44.159 --> 01:05:46.960
just these common sense things, you
know, if if it is that right

772
01:05:47.000 --> 01:05:53.480
of a light, why isn't everything
just it's a light? I mean even

773
01:05:53.519 --> 01:05:57.719
it's very specific in the Bible it
is a light. But every time they

774
01:05:57.760 --> 01:06:00.760
show us, it's this dusty rock. And and again if you even take

775
01:06:00.800 --> 01:06:05.400
the time to look at the official
story of what the moon is, yeah,

776
01:06:05.639 --> 01:06:10.000
the story is like fourteen and a
half billion years ago, did this

777
01:06:10.159 --> 01:06:13.760
other thing smashed into Earth and it
created the moon? It broke off and

778
01:06:15.159 --> 01:06:19.119
it's just fairing tangs on this stuff. It's it's ridiculous. Not only that,

779
01:06:19.199 --> 01:06:27.360
but it like violates the personal second
law of thermodynamicsments first of all,

780
01:06:27.400 --> 01:06:33.519
the Big Bang does because like something
can't come from nothing, so like automatically,

781
01:06:33.559 --> 01:06:39.599
that just negates everything that comes after
it. And then like the second

782
01:06:39.639 --> 01:06:45.800
law of like everything moves towards entropy
from like a state like towards chaos.

783
01:06:45.000 --> 01:06:51.320
You know, well, how did
like the Big Bang now create like an

784
01:06:51.360 --> 01:06:59.000
Earth where we have like little like
retinas in our eyes that can process light.

785
01:06:59.280 --> 01:07:03.519
Like that's not like the theory,
that's not the law of second third

786
01:07:03.519 --> 01:07:12.360
of one dynamics not like it's just
I don't know how they can just like

787
01:07:12.440 --> 01:07:16.280
bypass that. And I think,
I mean, I think a lot of

788
01:07:16.320 --> 01:07:21.199
scientists like are now saying, like, oh, science is you know,

789
01:07:21.320 --> 01:07:28.400
proving the existence that there is a
god. I do see that sometimes,

790
01:07:28.480 --> 01:07:35.679
but yeah, it just doesn't make
any sense. Like you can use your

791
01:07:35.719 --> 01:07:41.159
common sense, you can use science, observable science, you can use the

792
01:07:41.199 --> 01:07:46.360
Bible, and you can use like
experiments that have been done that all come

793
01:07:46.400 --> 01:07:54.719
to the same conclusion that we're not
spinning on a ball absolutely, so we

794
01:07:54.840 --> 01:08:00.079
have like miles and miles of evidence
for it. Yeah, I got that

795
01:08:00.159 --> 01:08:04.719
book, like The Greatest Lie on
Earth. It's like that big do you

796
01:08:04.760 --> 01:08:10.079
have that one? It's a big
book. It is a big book.

797
01:08:10.079 --> 01:08:14.920
I haven't read all of it,
but it talks about like the distancings between

798
01:08:14.960 --> 01:08:21.840
the lighthouses and the lasers and stuff, and it's a good resource, I

799
01:08:21.880 --> 01:08:28.239
think. Yeah, Hendry's book,
that's right, Edward Henry, The Greatest

800
01:08:28.279 --> 01:08:30.560
Line Earth at the proof that our
world is not a moving globe. And

801
01:08:30.600 --> 01:08:33.079
I'll put that if you folks are
interested. It's a little bit of Bunny.

802
01:08:33.359 --> 01:08:39.439
It's forty bucks right now on Amazon. Oh wow. But it's it's

803
01:08:39.479 --> 01:08:42.079
a good book. It's it's a
very good book. It's a good coffee

804
01:08:42.079 --> 01:08:45.760
table book to start up a conversation
if you're willing and able to do so.

805
01:08:47.079 --> 01:08:53.800
Yeah. I thought those documentaries were
good too, like the Level ones.

806
01:08:54.880 --> 01:08:59.800
Yeah, all three were very good, like really really really informative.

807
01:09:00.000 --> 01:09:08.199
But I don't like how they don't
center it on like God and God's creation,

808
01:09:08.319 --> 01:09:13.239
and they all have their own ideas
about like you know, a lot

809
01:09:13.279 --> 01:09:15.199
of people think that there's more land
and stuff like that, and I don't

810
01:09:15.279 --> 01:09:25.880
know about all of that. I
think it's a possibility. But that's what

811
01:09:26.000 --> 01:09:31.880
I kind of don't love about the
documentaries because I feel like everyone's kind of

812
01:09:33.359 --> 01:09:38.000
on their own, has their own
like theories about it and try to come

813
01:09:38.079 --> 01:09:44.399
up with answers. But I think
you said this too. I got the

814
01:09:44.439 --> 01:09:49.640
idea to watch it because of an
interview that you had with someone I don't

815
01:09:49.680 --> 01:09:54.760
remember exactly which episode it was,
but he also had like a similar background

816
01:09:54.840 --> 01:10:00.720
as me, with like being an
atheist and stuff, So I was like

817
01:10:00.800 --> 01:10:05.640
so thankful that you guys mentioned what
that documentary was called. But like,

818
01:10:05.920 --> 01:10:13.000
if you go try to watch it, you can't find it, Like you

819
01:10:13.079 --> 01:10:15.359
literally have to, like for me, I have to pull it up on

820
01:10:15.439 --> 01:10:20.520
like some random Facebook page to watch
it. Yeah, they make this stuff

821
01:10:20.560 --> 01:10:25.159
really hard to find. Absolutely.
Yeah, if you especially if you go

822
01:10:25.279 --> 01:10:29.319
to Google, they will hide the
results you're looking for. I use either

823
01:10:29.439 --> 01:10:32.640
Yandex or Brave. I think you
can find them for the most part on

824
01:10:33.520 --> 01:10:36.800
YouTube. I know, I'm pretty
sure. I don't want to. I

825
01:10:36.800 --> 01:10:41.079
don't want to speak for sure,
but Dave's app might have them on there,

826
01:10:41.359 --> 01:10:43.960
or you can go to Sean Hippler's
website. He's the one who I

827
01:10:44.000 --> 01:10:47.479
believe directed or produced the movie.
He was on one of our We interviewed

828
01:10:47.600 --> 01:10:53.880
him here. His website I think
has all three level movies on there as

829
01:10:53.920 --> 01:10:58.239
well. But yeah, that's when
when I did the slide presentation. When

830
01:10:58.279 --> 01:11:01.439
I put that together, I try
to put a little bit of evidence,

831
01:11:01.479 --> 01:11:05.640
scientific evidence, we can see too
far those type of things. I included

832
01:11:05.840 --> 01:11:11.800
historical facts, and then I included
biblical facts, so kind of a actually,

833
01:11:11.840 --> 01:11:15.720
I guess the third of those three
things to kind of bring it all

834
01:11:15.760 --> 01:11:20.199
together is this on your website.
It's on the very front page of the

835
01:11:20.199 --> 01:11:25.720
website if you go to the flatterthfiles
dot com. I have the slides available

836
01:11:25.800 --> 01:11:30.600
for Mac or Windows in both.
I see it. It looks really good.

837
01:11:30.119 --> 01:11:33.279
Yeah, it's and again, feel
free folks to make it yours,

838
01:11:33.439 --> 01:11:36.479
change some out, put some in. But it's just I wanted to have

839
01:11:36.520 --> 01:11:40.960
a like, you know, kind
of here's something to work with, right,

840
01:11:43.359 --> 01:11:45.640
Yeah, I'll have to like dig
around more. I haven't spent too

841
01:11:45.680 --> 01:11:49.279
much time on the site that there's
a lot of people who write in the

842
01:11:49.279 --> 01:11:55.479
forum, a lot of interesting information
in the forum. Oh good, thank

843
01:11:55.560 --> 01:11:58.960
you, Yeah for sure. Well, yeah, there's just so many different

844
01:11:58.960 --> 01:12:03.520
things like there's never enough time in
the day. Yeah, that's for sure,

845
01:12:04.000 --> 01:12:09.079
But I wanted to mention real quick. So again, if you google

846
01:12:09.640 --> 01:12:14.760
how the Moon was created, thheia. I guess it's Prona during those early

847
01:12:14.800 --> 01:12:16.640
ages, and I think they say
it's like fourteen and a half billion years

848
01:12:16.640 --> 01:12:23.760
ago a planetary body the size of
Mars slammed into the still forming Earth.

849
01:12:24.119 --> 01:12:28.960
So once again, there's nothing biblical
about this, but this is the first

850
01:12:29.000 --> 01:12:31.239
thing it brings up on the webs
when you put that into Google. Okay,

851
01:12:32.199 --> 01:12:39.239
the collision was so powerful it broke
apart that impacting protoplanet nicknamed thea and

852
01:12:39.319 --> 01:12:45.880
sent huge amounts of material into orbit
around Earth, and that material eventually coalesced

853
01:12:46.079 --> 01:12:51.239
into the Moon. And it's very
important to note the people behind National Geographic

854
01:12:53.520 --> 01:12:58.479
which I think the actual society.
The guys from AOL might be involved.

855
01:12:58.520 --> 01:13:01.520
The founder of AOL. Disney has
like a seventy five percent stake into it

856
01:13:01.560 --> 01:13:05.800
as well. If you don't know
the history of Disney and their deceptions,

857
01:13:06.640 --> 01:13:11.279
you know, again, this is
what we're up against. If you put

858
01:13:11.279 --> 01:13:15.680
in you know, the genesis flood
into Google, they will tell you what

859
01:13:15.800 --> 01:13:18.079
is a narrative in the very first
paragraph, and then you know, they'll

860
01:13:18.119 --> 01:13:21.439
tell you it is just a story. It's it's a false it's just a

861
01:13:21.479 --> 01:13:24.680
story. So these are the things, like I said, that we're up

862
01:13:24.680 --> 01:13:29.600
against with these deception, you know, the people who run this deception.

863
01:13:30.600 --> 01:13:34.960
Yeah, and that should be like
a red flag in and of itself because

864
01:13:34.960 --> 01:13:45.840
why would they need to do that. I know that the like Google when

865
01:13:45.159 --> 01:13:50.119
flatter if they say this in the
Levels documentary to that between twenty fifteen and

866
01:13:50.119 --> 01:13:58.880
twenty seventeen, it was one of
the most search topics and Google had to

867
01:13:58.920 --> 01:14:01.199
have like this huge camp friends with
YouTube and they, you know, we're

868
01:14:01.319 --> 01:14:06.640
telling them all the things that they're
doing with the algorithm to push you know,

869
01:14:08.159 --> 01:14:14.640
authoritative content and tide other content.
So like they admit to doing it.

870
01:14:15.800 --> 01:14:17.479
So when you see something like that, it really should be like a

871
01:14:17.560 --> 01:14:26.319
red flag to like look further into
it and kind of like the opposite a

872
01:14:26.439 --> 01:14:32.880
rule of thumb is like if they're
saying something is just an archaic thought concept

873
01:14:33.239 --> 01:14:39.720
and that it's not true anymore,
Like think like why are they saying this?

874
01:14:40.520 --> 01:14:43.920
And George is interesting because you said
the thea things. So I went

875
01:14:44.000 --> 01:14:48.479
to type into into Google and it
says in Greek mythology Theo was one of

876
01:14:48.560 --> 01:14:53.720
the Titans, she was the mother
of Seen, the goddess of the moon.

877
01:14:54.279 --> 01:14:59.279
Yep, it's all about Greek mythology
for the longest time. The planets

878
01:14:59.279 --> 01:15:01.840
were named after them, and then
of course the Romans took over all of

879
01:15:01.880 --> 01:15:05.039
it. Is it's just such a
deception. And like I said, the

880
01:15:05.119 --> 01:15:10.880
very first sentence if you google Genesis
flood narrative, it is where the Genesis

881
01:15:10.880 --> 01:15:14.960
flood. It comes up as the
Genesis flood narrative, and the very first

882
01:15:15.039 --> 01:15:19.039
sentence says, the Genesis flood narrative
chapter six through nine of the Book of

883
01:15:19.079 --> 01:15:24.079
Genesis is a Hebrew myth. So
they're putting it in your face that the

884
01:15:24.079 --> 01:15:30.720
Bible isn't telling you the truth,
right, And that's what I grew up

885
01:15:30.800 --> 01:15:35.640
believing, and that's actually what.
Yeah. You know, even in a

886
01:15:35.640 --> 01:15:41.600
lot of Christians, like I know, the Catholic denomination, I'm pretty sure

887
01:15:41.600 --> 01:15:48.800
they consider a lot of these things
as myth, not myth, but like

888
01:15:48.880 --> 01:15:58.720
metaphor. But yeah, I feel
like as a Christian you can't just pick

889
01:15:58.720 --> 01:16:04.720
and choose to believe out of the
Bible. Yeah, and outside of cherry

890
01:16:04.760 --> 01:16:08.880
peg, No, you can't.
And outside of obviously you know, the

891
01:16:08.920 --> 01:16:12.760
New Testament with John three sixteen,
that's very you know, that talks about

892
01:16:12.760 --> 01:16:16.079
how Jesus has you know, washed
our sins away, you have the ability

893
01:16:16.119 --> 01:16:20.359
to be born again. You know. Genesis is very important. It talks

894
01:16:20.399 --> 01:16:25.359
about how you know, everybody talks
about if you want to know where you're

895
01:16:25.399 --> 01:16:28.119
going, you have to know where
you came from. And we have,

896
01:16:28.520 --> 01:16:32.159
you know, this perfect history book. And then you have these these people

897
01:16:32.920 --> 01:16:38.439
who, by the way, I'll
include this link into the the National Geographic

898
01:16:38.840 --> 01:16:45.680
Leadership Team all have their their their
pronouns in there. She hear all of

899
01:16:45.680 --> 01:16:47.920
them are she here in their bio
and I'll put that in there for you

900
01:16:47.960 --> 01:16:51.479
as well. So this is again
what we're up against, and this is

901
01:16:51.479 --> 01:16:59.640
really what they're teaching. That's hugely
linked to the whole agenda is the transgender

902
01:16:59.720 --> 01:17:08.199
stuff. Yeah. In the introduction
of that Flat Earth book, I'm so

903
01:17:08.239 --> 01:17:15.640
sorry, the big book that we
were just the greatest line, the greatest

904
01:17:15.640 --> 01:17:17.600
line, Oh my gosh. Yeah, they talk about how it all ties

905
01:17:17.640 --> 01:17:26.039
together. It's really good. But
yeah, so Georgie, I want to

906
01:17:26.079 --> 01:17:31.079
talk about one more thing. There's
this documentary that I really liked, and

907
01:17:31.159 --> 01:17:39.800
it was called Answers in Genesis,
and a lot of like Christian scientists talk

908
01:17:39.880 --> 01:17:51.439
about the fact that God create pretty
much creationism. It's called Paradise Lost Answers

909
01:17:51.479 --> 01:18:00.279
in Genesis. That's is that ken
HAB's website. Yeah, and and he

910
01:18:00.840 --> 01:18:06.119
like it's a really good documentary and
they do advocate for creationism, and they

911
01:18:06.199 --> 01:18:13.239
explain scientifically, like a lot of
evidence of like you know, them faking

912
01:18:13.319 --> 01:18:16.520
things and evolution and evidence of the
flood and just you know, there's so

913
01:18:16.640 --> 01:18:21.399
much evidence of creationism. And they
do a really it's a bunch of like

914
01:18:21.479 --> 01:18:27.119
scientists, like you know, with
their PhDs their doctorates, like very educated

915
01:18:27.159 --> 01:18:30.039
and they're all talking about it and
it's really good. But they put in

916
01:18:30.239 --> 01:18:35.039
a lot of images of the globe. And I know ken Ham like does

917
01:18:35.159 --> 01:18:40.600
preach that the world is a globe, and that's something that is so confusing

918
01:18:40.640 --> 01:18:46.960
to me based on like all of
the Bible verses that say that it's immovable.

919
01:18:47.119 --> 01:18:53.720
And I think there's like two hundred
plus verses in the Bible that support

920
01:18:53.840 --> 01:19:00.239
like flatter, I mean, including
just the first few sentences of Genesis alone.

921
01:19:00.560 --> 01:19:04.479
So have you seen that movie?
Uh, yeah, and I'm very

922
01:19:04.479 --> 01:19:12.159
familiar with ken Ham and I think
again he's also the Arc Encounter guy in

923
01:19:12.600 --> 01:19:17.600
Kentucky, I believe, and he
is a Young Earth creationist. And it's

924
01:19:17.640 --> 01:19:23.000
one of those things where you see
somebody who was so close to seeing the

925
01:19:23.039 --> 01:19:30.039
truth. And then again he even
on his web page it's a rounded Earth

926
01:19:30.119 --> 01:19:32.239
with the sun coming over the horizon. I'll tell you a story, a

927
01:19:32.239 --> 01:19:36.640
secondhand story, wasn't me. But
last February we had Josh from the Founded

928
01:19:36.680 --> 01:19:41.560
Earth Brothers, a great YouTube channel. They do live shows every week,

929
01:19:41.640 --> 01:19:45.439
and he used to be a teacher
and educator and he's pushing for a flat

930
01:19:45.479 --> 01:19:51.319
Earth or Biblical cosmology online class for
children as well. So he took a

931
01:19:51.359 --> 01:19:55.399
trip down there because like me,
you know, you see someone who was

932
01:19:55.439 --> 01:20:00.600
so close. He did such great
work with the Arc recreation and he understands

933
01:20:00.680 --> 01:20:04.359
that, you know, this isn't
fourteen billion years old, it's you know,

934
01:20:04.560 --> 01:20:10.199
sixty five hundred years or around there. Okay, But but he he

935
01:20:10.560 --> 01:20:15.960
doesn't see that the correlation to biblical
cosmology. So he goes on. He

936
01:20:15.039 --> 01:20:20.319
traveled down there to one of their
seminars and he raised his hand and he

937
01:20:20.439 --> 01:20:26.520
wanted to talk about you know,
flat Earth, and they shut him down,

938
01:20:26.640 --> 01:20:29.720
like he got five words past flat
Earth and they were done with him.

939
01:20:29.960 --> 01:20:31.199
They said, don't even bring that
up here. You're not welcome,

940
01:20:31.439 --> 01:20:36.039
Like they turned on him. What
yes, I'm not kidding you. If

941
01:20:36.079 --> 01:20:41.079
I can go back and if I
can find it fairly quickly the episode where

942
01:20:41.079 --> 01:20:43.720
he talked about this, I'll link
it in the show notes. Like he

943
01:20:43.840 --> 01:20:46.239
drove down to the arc, which
I guess I know, I remember you

944
01:20:46.319 --> 01:20:50.039
talking about this on your podcast,
boul it was this or something else where

945
01:20:50.039 --> 01:20:55.279
they got like he got like fairly
upset. Yeah, he was just and

946
01:20:55.319 --> 01:21:00.760
then like he deleted the recording the
next day. That is the same and

947
01:21:00.000 --> 01:21:05.840
that might have been the the biblical
debate between the two pastors. Oh okay,

948
01:21:05.960 --> 01:21:12.199
but either way both cases. Yeah, he was very disappointed because you

949
01:21:12.199 --> 01:21:14.840
know, he just wanted a chance. He just, Josh just wanted an

950
01:21:14.840 --> 01:21:17.800
opportunity to discuss it with people.
That's all we really want is just to

951
01:21:17.800 --> 01:21:23.000
have a conversation. At the end
of the day, people are allowed to

952
01:21:23.600 --> 01:21:26.600
make their own decision. When I
get emails with questions, I always say

953
01:21:26.640 --> 01:21:29.560
with you know, use your own
discernment. I don't say you have you

954
01:21:29.600 --> 01:21:32.760
know, what are you thinking now? Just everybody has their own journey to

955
01:21:32.800 --> 01:21:38.680
the truth. The most important thing
is understanding that Jesus Christ gave it his

956
01:21:38.760 --> 01:21:42.600
life, you know, to save
you, right John three sixteen, You

957
01:21:42.680 --> 01:21:45.600
know that that is the most important
part. But I have the more I

958
01:21:45.680 --> 01:21:50.119
do this, the more I learned
that the globe deception is keeping people away

959
01:21:50.119 --> 01:21:54.119
from God and that's a big problem
and we have to you know, like

960
01:21:54.520 --> 01:21:57.319
the Bible says, if you have
knowledge, you know, they tell us

961
01:21:57.359 --> 01:22:00.880
it's our responsibility to to share the
gospel of Jesus, Like that's our job,

962
01:22:00.920 --> 01:22:03.039
that's her duty. And I feel
the same way about anything that hides

963
01:22:03.079 --> 01:22:09.439
God. That's why we do this, right, And that's that's why I'm

964
01:22:09.520 --> 01:22:14.640
like, I respect you so much
for putting together this podcast and talking about

965
01:22:14.640 --> 01:22:19.840
these things, and I really want
to like start talking about their more through

966
01:22:20.640 --> 01:22:25.359
you know. However, you know
God would use me for that, But

967
01:22:27.119 --> 01:22:32.680
I definitely think it's important to talk
about because people are being deceived and live

968
01:22:32.720 --> 01:22:35.880
too, and like you said,
it is keeping them from the truth and

969
01:22:39.199 --> 01:22:45.159
they just contradict each other so much
that you know, the more people talk

970
01:22:45.199 --> 01:22:51.680
about it, the more it becomes
okay and less scary and less taboo,

971
01:22:53.159 --> 01:23:00.279
and it can really bring people towards
God, and it can really help welpen

972
01:23:00.359 --> 01:23:05.840
people's eyes and help them to be
able to speak better on the subject.

973
01:23:06.520 --> 01:23:13.479
And it's kind of just like defending
God's word against the enemy's lies that he's

974
01:23:13.600 --> 01:23:19.800
led to the masses. Yeah.
Absolutely. And one of my quotes I

975
01:23:19.880 --> 01:23:23.560
used to quote a lot on my
other podcast, mainly p Hall said that

976
01:23:23.560 --> 01:23:27.479
when the human race learns to read
the language of symbolism, a great veil

977
01:23:27.520 --> 01:23:30.359
will fall from the eyes of men. And then I remember back to the

978
01:23:30.359 --> 01:23:34.119
beginning of the podcast where you and
I've heard this actual mention a few times

979
01:23:34.119 --> 01:23:39.199
over the last week about the scales
falling from your eyes, and you know,

980
01:23:39.439 --> 01:23:44.720
there is a little bit of a
awakening. And when people realize this,

981
01:23:44.880 --> 01:23:46.479
they realize, well, my goodness, if they can lie about this,

982
01:23:46.600 --> 01:23:51.000
what else are they lying about?
And I think it is helping and

983
01:23:51.079 --> 01:23:56.119
of course the most important thing that
is it leads to them being born again

984
01:23:56.159 --> 01:24:00.319
if they're not. But it also
helps people see the deception of this earth.

985
01:24:02.479 --> 01:24:08.279
Yeah, and it helps them trust
like the senses that God gave us

986
01:24:08.319 --> 01:24:15.520
exactly exactly why I just think it
makes you more confident in the place that

987
01:24:15.560 --> 01:24:25.960
you inhabited for now. Absolutely,
Yeah, thank god we have the Bible.

988
01:24:26.600 --> 01:24:31.439
Yeah, we have the whole story
right at our fingertips amended that.

989
01:24:31.960 --> 01:24:34.880
Well, we're down to our last
few minutes, so I certainly wanted to

990
01:24:34.880 --> 01:24:39.880
give you an opportunity if there's anything
else you wanted to mention or anything you

991
01:24:39.920 --> 01:24:42.920
wanted to say to the audience before
we said goodbye for this episode, which,

992
01:24:42.960 --> 01:24:45.479
by the way, has been just
such a fantastic conversation. I can't

993
01:24:45.479 --> 01:24:49.840
thank you enough for your time today. Oh, thank you so much.

994
01:24:49.880 --> 01:24:56.439
This is I love doing this and
I feel like we could keep talking for

995
01:24:57.159 --> 01:25:03.640
a lot longer. Oh sure,
But I would say that if you're listening

996
01:25:03.640 --> 01:25:14.439
to this, I would urge you
to start with watching Georgia's first episode called

997
01:25:14.479 --> 01:25:17.960
Why the Lie. I think that's
a really good place to start. It

998
01:25:17.960 --> 01:25:26.079
will give you a lot of context
historically and kind of help put pieces together.

999
01:25:26.279 --> 01:25:36.039
He talks about everything from like the
education system to was I gonna say

1000
01:25:39.319 --> 01:25:43.840
the Admiral Bird's missions into Antarctica because
I know we didn't talk about Antarctica today,

1001
01:25:44.760 --> 01:25:48.159
but that's a huge piece, especially
for a lot of people, and

1002
01:25:48.640 --> 01:25:53.159
yeah, he just talks about everything, and even the episodes after that he

1003
01:25:53.199 --> 01:25:56.760
gets into the Dathsa and he gets
into a lot of the basics, and

1004
01:25:56.800 --> 01:26:00.279
you can take those and start to
do your own research. You can order

1005
01:26:00.399 --> 01:26:03.960
there's lots of books you can order
on the subject, and if anything,

1006
01:26:04.039 --> 01:26:10.039
like do the research just so you
can prove it wrong, if that's what

1007
01:26:10.079 --> 01:26:14.319
you want. And if you can, you know, find enough evidence and

1008
01:26:14.399 --> 01:26:18.079
arguments that support the globe, then
you can sleep soundly at night knowing that,

1009
01:26:18.239 --> 01:26:23.199
like you know, you put your
time in it, but at least

1010
01:26:23.279 --> 01:26:29.319
take the time to understand what we're
kind of talking about today, and most

1011
01:26:29.359 --> 01:26:33.000
importantly, read the Bible. And
I would say this too, not even

1012
01:26:33.000 --> 01:26:36.800
on the subject of flatter, but
I used to think the Bible was a

1013
01:26:36.840 --> 01:26:46.479
bunch of like mumbo jumbo and sexist
like stories and it's just not the case.

1014
01:26:46.560 --> 01:26:49.840
But I would say, you're never
going to know unless you read it.

1015
01:26:50.880 --> 01:26:58.520
So read the Bible. You can
start in the New Testament and read

1016
01:26:58.520 --> 01:27:02.079
the Old Testament as well, just
because that makes you more educated on these

1017
01:27:02.119 --> 01:27:06.119
subjects, and you can make your
own conclusion if you do those things.

1018
01:27:06.840 --> 01:27:13.720
So that's I guess what I would
say, you know, just so you

1019
01:27:13.720 --> 01:27:20.560
can make your own conclusions really,
but yeah, well thanks, that was

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a great That was a perfect way
to end the podcast. And again,

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we can't thank you enough for your
time and for sharing your story, and

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01:27:28.239 --> 01:27:32.600
we're so happy for you and your
husband and uh well you pray for your

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big day coming in August, looking
forward to that. God bless you.

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01:27:39.359 --> 01:27:44.039
And I'm so happy to hear that
your journey has brought you, you know,

1025
01:27:44.119 --> 01:27:48.479
full circle to Christ and where you
are today. It's just amazing to

1026
01:27:48.520 --> 01:27:55.039
hear these stories. And again,
thanks for you know, being so honest

1027
01:27:55.079 --> 01:27:58.119
and especially something that is near and
dear to my heart, which I cover

1028
01:27:58.199 --> 01:28:00.800
all the time on my other podcast, The Pharmaceutical Industry. And I'll put

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the links to Brandy Vaughan and her
story in the show notes as well.

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I hope everybody enjoyed this podcast,
which I assure you I'm sure you did,

1031
01:28:10.920 --> 01:28:13.760
And if you'd like to reach out
to Abigail, her email address,

1032
01:28:13.840 --> 01:28:16.640
of course, will be in the
show notes, so please do reach out

1033
01:28:16.680 --> 01:28:20.319
to her. Thank you for her
time on the podcast and what a great

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01:28:20.359 --> 01:28:25.680
story. Blessings to you and your
family, Abigail, Thanks for joining us.

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01:28:25.680 --> 01:28:30.319
Again, Thank you so much,
George, absolutely and God bless you

1036
01:28:30.359 --> 01:28:32.920
guys. Thanks for continuing to support
the podcast. Stop by the website and

1037
01:28:32.920 --> 01:28:38.319
say hello The Flatterithfiles dot com.
Send us an email The Flattereth Files at

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01:28:38.319 --> 01:28:41.319
gmail dot com for Abigail. I'm
George, God bless you guys. Have

1039
01:28:41.359 --> 01:28:44.119
a great week and keep your head
on a swivel. And until we see

1040
01:28:44.119 --> 01:28:48.800
you next time, my friends,
we will see you. I knowing it's

1041
01:28:48.880 --> 01:28:59.680
been a struggle. I don't know
if you've had spain old fee the tie.

1042
01:29:00.119 --> 01:29:05.239
Hell, don't by all the way? Yeah, I know you feeling

1043
01:29:05.399 --> 01:29:16.359
more. Your smile ain't the same
I saw you way go from you feel

1044
01:29:16.439 --> 01:29:25.239
like you've lost your way. Don't
give up. No, don't give it

1045
01:29:26.359 --> 01:29:31.039
and never home. Don't let call
the primise. It ain't done yet.

1046
01:29:31.159 --> 01:29:36.479
He's gone up playing Why up a
right? Time? Got up? Let

1047
01:29:36.600 --> 01:29:54.920
me come why right? God may
call. I can see the straight beside

1048
01:29:55.079 --> 01:30:01.119
you. Child. You're putting up
five. Oh, you're stronger than a

1049
01:30:01.359 --> 01:30:10.359
thing. C Yeah, you're gonna
be all right. You're accepting a dead

1050
01:30:10.560 --> 01:30:19.960
foully beautiful. You're shoving ride.
Yeah, you're live and breathe move you

1051
01:30:20.039 --> 01:30:29.159
can hold your head a pie.
Don't give up, No, don't give

1052
01:30:29.239 --> 01:30:33.920
in. You never lose home.
Don't let gone on the primise. It

1053
01:30:33.920 --> 01:30:40.479
ain't done yet. It's got a
let wan from way down, the God

1054
01:30:40.680 --> 01:30:45.920
of Merica. Don't give up,
No, don't give in. You never

1055
01:30:46.119 --> 01:30:51.119
lose home. Don't let go on
the primis. It ain't good of life,

1056
01:30:51.159 --> 01:30:58.119
it's worth living. What's a way
town? The God of call?

1057
01:31:01.119 --> 01:31:11.159
Why a bray down? The God
tam? Oh yeah, what's a pray

1058
01:31:11.359 --> 01:31:21.079
down? The God baby call?
Oh yeah, you got TV call.

1059
01:31:30.640 --> 01:31:35.479
Don't give up, no, don't
give in. Never sol do they go

1060
01:31:35.800 --> 01:31:44.479
off the prim smell in and done. Yeas got up saying watch dog kind

1061
01:31:44.600 --> 01:31:51.279
of even coughs. Don't give no
dog giving never it's hold. Don't let

1062
01:31:51.439 --> 01:31:58.560
go of the primes. It ain't
done. Others work, live in wat's

1063
01:31:59.000 --> 01:32:14.319
and die. God of any cols
ah, the God of needs? Why

1064
01:32:15.399 --> 01:32:30.600
the God of cage. You're listening
to the Fact Hunter Radio Network. Just

1065
01:32:30.640 --> 01:32:32.399
the facts, ma'am h