1 00:00:26,879 --> 00:00:30,960 Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis your host, and 2 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:35,880 we have an exciting show tonight. We have Randall Nickerson, but we have 3 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:41,640 a special guest coming up. We recorded with him earlier today and I want 4 00:00:41,679 --> 00:00:48,439 to thank thanks to Joe Call for that. We have Francis Cheramuda and he 5 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:54,679 is one of the witnesses to the event itself, so that is pretty exciting 6 00:00:54,719 --> 00:00:58,119 and he'll be coming up. We're going to play the clip that we recorded. 7 00:00:58,119 --> 00:01:02,200 It's the middle of the night where he isn't Madagascar, so we recorded 8 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:06,200 with him earlier, just a couple of short clips, but it's still great 9 00:01:06,239 --> 00:01:08,040 to have him on and what a great guy he is, so you can 10 00:01:08,079 --> 00:01:12,599 look forward to that. And also I want to thank everyone that supports the 11 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,840 show. Anyone can do that over at podcast ufo dot com. All that 12 00:01:15,879 --> 00:01:19,879 information is there. Our Facebook icon is there if you want to connect with 13 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:27,359 Facebook. Our blog this week from Charles Lear is called UFO Secrecy. Check 14 00:01:27,439 --> 00:01:34,920 that out. It's I'm sorry, Citizens against UFOs Secrecy. A little different 15 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:40,599 there, so check that out on that website. And what I'm going to 16 00:01:40,719 --> 00:01:44,040 do here is I'm going to start out and I'm going to play the trailer 17 00:01:44,159 --> 00:01:51,359 to the film that is coming up, and Randall Nickerson spent many many years 18 00:01:51,439 --> 00:01:55,599 making I think it's seven or nine years, seven to nine years something like 19 00:01:55,640 --> 00:02:00,840 that. I know I've known Randall for quite a while, well of many 20 00:02:00,879 --> 00:02:04,799 years since back in two thousand and six, I believe, I mean, 21 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:12,159 I'm sorry two thousand, I can't twelve that is anyway. He is super 22 00:02:12,199 --> 00:02:15,759 fussy with his work and you should look at his wildlife photography. Those links 23 00:02:15,759 --> 00:02:21,000 are in the show notes. Um, it's just amazing. He does a 24 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,000 wonderful job at whatever he does. So we're all just waiting for this film 25 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,560 and for right now, I'm going to play the trailer. So here it 26 00:02:27,599 --> 00:02:32,479 goes. Hundreds of people today Phone does that b seat saying they cited an 27 00:02:32,599 --> 00:02:38,719 unidentifying flying ohobject with a bright lady in line. I've never seen anything like 28 00:02:38,759 --> 00:02:42,759 it in my life, noise. I didn't like people from all over Zimbab. 29 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:46,639 We were pining the BBC to say we've seen something weird. There were 30 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:50,280 three of us that sort of it's myself, the pilot and the pilot in 31 00:02:50,280 --> 00:03:00,479 another aircraft. No Wins Arial School nineteenth September ninety four. Don't know what 32 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:05,439 you saw, or riding the silver thing in amongst this clump of trees, 33 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,960 we saw the black figure running. His face was like this and his eyes 34 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:13,439 were down here. I just thought it was some kind of dailia, probably 35 00:03:13,439 --> 00:03:21,159 different. He looked at those children. They were absolutely credible. Whereabouts was 36 00:03:21,759 --> 00:03:24,439 in the trees over there there was a big group of kids pointing and making 37 00:03:24,439 --> 00:03:29,560 a noise and shouting and screaming. The panic spread. Am I safe or 38 00:03:29,599 --> 00:03:32,639 am I not safe? And he's a Harvard zat guidress meeting doctor John mac 39 00:03:32,879 --> 00:03:38,000 we came away convinced an extraordinary event occurred here. I think they want people 40 00:03:38,159 --> 00:03:44,719 to know that we're actually making harm on Well, how did that get communicated 41 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,879 to you? It came to my head somehow. There was a message about 42 00:03:47,919 --> 00:03:53,039 pollution from the way he was staring. I was just a hard asked journalist. 43 00:03:53,439 --> 00:03:58,280 I could handle wall zones, but I could not handle this uf anything. 44 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,319 I mean, I never felt this derail my career. Angels, yes, 45 00:04:01,439 --> 00:04:06,560 extraterrestrials. No John has lost at this time. This journey is literally 46 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:13,560 to pick up the pieces and put them back together. Oh my gosh. 47 00:04:13,599 --> 00:04:20,800 I was right on the logs when it actually happened, something that I'll never 48 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:26,480 ever forget. I've drawn this again, but so I usually kept the quality. 49 00:04:26,959 --> 00:04:31,319 You're crazy. You feel so low in society. Why is it we 50 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:36,480 tend to want to shrink this powerful phenomenon to our notions of reality, rather 51 00:04:36,519 --> 00:04:42,240 than being able to stretch ourselves to expand what we know and to admit that 52 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:46,319 we don't know? Would you like to see him again? And if you 53 00:04:46,399 --> 00:04:50,240 saw him again, what would you do? I'll ask him some Christians? 54 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:55,160 Would you like to ask him? I'll ask him what has he done on 55 00:04:55,319 --> 00:05:13,360 oath? And what does he want christ Us? Wow, Randall that that. 56 00:05:13,519 --> 00:05:16,800 Every time I see that trailer, it's just so moving, It's it's 57 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:21,079 really really something. I just end the same experience. I hadn't seen it 58 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:28,079 for a while. Yeah, and you know you you were right there um 59 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:33,199 with all those uh children you know later on uh filming them and what an 60 00:05:33,199 --> 00:05:38,959 amazing thing. And we're going to talk tonight, um a bit about some 61 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:43,000 of them. How many interviews do you think you've you've done with this? 62 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:47,720 And it's not just the children. Um, Well, there was a certain 63 00:05:47,759 --> 00:05:53,079 amount of people that would not want to go on camera. Um, But 64 00:05:53,199 --> 00:05:57,800 I interviewed a good forty three, I believe, um, and I just 65 00:05:57,879 --> 00:06:02,199 had somebody contact me two weeks ago. Who I've been. I've been trying 66 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:09,639 to get in touch with him for years, and it's just I'm so happy 67 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:14,680 because he was a primary witness and uh, um, it's just going to 68 00:06:14,759 --> 00:06:18,480 be great to to uh to interview him and and UH find his if I 69 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:25,519 find out what the details of his story were. Um now is he? 70 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,319 Um? But it's too late that the films in the bag, so to 71 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:30,560 speak, right, films in the films in the can. Yeah, I 72 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:38,160 can yeah, films in the can. Yeah. But it's just it's amazing, 73 00:06:38,199 --> 00:06:41,959 and I you know, like with Francis today, you know, I 74 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:47,920 really feel that that's that's just that I want the kids to come out and 75 00:06:47,959 --> 00:06:50,639 speak, you know what I mean. They're not the kids that they're young 76 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:57,319 adults now, but uh, you know, they're just wonderful people and from 77 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:02,120 all different walks of life. And you know, as far as everything I 78 00:07:02,199 --> 00:07:06,160 research and look into and people I talked to and everything else, this thing 79 00:07:06,399 --> 00:07:11,959 this really happened. Um right, So right, you know, I can't 80 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,680 think of a better time. Let's sell Let's just bring in the clip of 81 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:20,079 we recorded earlier today, UM with Francis and Madagascar and uh, and here 82 00:07:20,079 --> 00:07:26,240 it is. I'm going to bring it on right now. Canan a good 83 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:30,639 looking guy? You look great. I love your hair man. UM. 84 00:07:30,639 --> 00:07:36,920 It's it's it's kind of difficult now, M talking from a position because now 85 00:07:36,959 --> 00:07:44,079 that I've done a regression, UM, that is the freshest memory of UM, 86 00:07:44,279 --> 00:07:47,040 sort of like the events that I now have because this kind of brought 87 00:07:47,079 --> 00:07:53,879 to light a few details that I otherwise before it did not have, or 88 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:59,920 details that might have disappeared within the time of the event and obviously us going 89 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:07,240 through life and growing up, but you know, details, small details like 90 00:08:07,319 --> 00:08:13,519 the lights and how now I have a clear picture of their being. These 91 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:18,680 spheres and these fears were about my size, you know, the size of 92 00:08:18,759 --> 00:08:26,519 an adult human, right, And these spheres were kind of rotating around the 93 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:33,559 craft and an anti clockwise motion, and they were glowing bright, bright white. 94 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:39,679 Yeah, kind of kind of the way I look at it. The 95 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:46,960 light that a lot of people were seeing were being emitted by these fears a 96 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:52,080 right, And as we kind of progressed through the story, they kind of 97 00:08:52,320 --> 00:09:00,840 switched behavior in a way and as if they were being repelled by magnet one 98 00:09:00,879 --> 00:09:07,279 at a time. The spheres shot off in different directions right then leaving the 99 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:13,200 craft itself, which because there was no light now shining on the on the 100 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,639 craft, you could tell it was a silver sort of color of the craft. 101 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:24,039 And yeah, this is the most vivid and direct memory that I actually 102 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:30,320 do recall, you know, from the regression and from past memory as well. 103 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:37,440 Now, did you actually see what other people had seen as far as 104 00:09:37,919 --> 00:09:46,159 like the being? Yes, I did, um by account. They were 105 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:58,080 actually three beings. Two of them m kind of remained within the line of 106 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:05,480 sight from the playground to the craft. And another one, which is also 107 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:13,440 one of my most vivid memories, was one of the beings actually darting from 108 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:18,879 the craft towards the direction of the swimming pool. The swimming pool which was 109 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:28,639 probably about two three found to the left of the playground. And the most 110 00:10:28,639 --> 00:10:33,600 peculiar thing was the way in which it moved, because it almost felt as 111 00:10:33,639 --> 00:10:41,879 if it would disappear and appear a few meters ahead of itself, you know, 112 00:10:41,919 --> 00:10:46,519 almost in a blinking fashion, and not in the normal linear fashion that 113 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:50,480 you would expect someone to be moving, you know. And did you see 114 00:10:50,519 --> 00:10:54,480 it like it looked like it was floating. I've heard other people say like 115 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,759 they never saw it actually touched the ground. That No. In this case, 116 00:10:58,799 --> 00:11:03,559 like I was saying, UM, it would just be the appearing and 117 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,679 disappearing, So UM, I would just warrant to guess and say, yes, 118 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,360 it probably looked like it was floating, but at no point did it 119 00:11:11,519 --> 00:11:16,360 ever look like it was physically running. If I could say that, M, 120 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:20,159 how about that? Just like to ask you, UM, and I'm 121 00:11:20,159 --> 00:11:28,279 sure this will be in the the movie the Aerial Phenomenon, but how much 122 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:35,639 has this changed your life? This one thing changed your life? Oh gosh, 123 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:41,000 UM, you know, there was the longest part of my life when 124 00:11:41,039 --> 00:11:46,159 we're probably silent about it. UM. And I guess within that silence, 125 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:54,000 UM, this whole sort of experience bruised within within you. And the longer 126 00:11:54,080 --> 00:12:01,320 that happens, I guess there comes a point where you decide whether you're going 127 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:07,519 to confirm everything you know or you're going to, um not deny it as 128 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:13,240 such, but find a way to come to terms with it maybe not being 129 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:18,720 true. Right And UM, to be very honest, this was one of 130 00:12:18,759 --> 00:12:22,120 the biggest reasons why I had to do this for myself, which is why 131 00:12:22,159 --> 00:12:31,559 I actually um sought out a hypnotist. Right. This was never to to 132 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:37,240 to sort of go out and just blindly confirmed that, yes, what I 133 00:12:37,279 --> 00:12:41,360 believe, I believe, But I was also kind of hoping that it might 134 00:12:41,399 --> 00:12:43,559 not have been true, because either way, the answer that I was going 135 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:48,840 to get was going to help me in one way or another move forward with 136 00:12:48,879 --> 00:12:54,799 my own life. Right. Yeah, the self doubt was was was was 137 00:12:54,840 --> 00:13:01,320 starting to creep in and I was just ready for um just a hint or 138 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:05,200 an answer or something along those lines. But it has affected me in a 139 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:11,559 lot more ways than one. First of all, the way I think i'm 140 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:18,559 I'm very open minded to a lot of things. I'm very tolerant to people 141 00:13:18,639 --> 00:13:24,639 and their thoughts and their ideas and their viewpoints. Because here I am with 142 00:13:24,399 --> 00:13:30,639 one of the most craziest stories anyone can actually sit here and tell someone, 143 00:13:31,799 --> 00:13:39,240 and so yeah, that kind of makes me believe in people a bit more. 144 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,120 I guess. I don't know if that's a good or bad thing, 145 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:45,720 but I always give people the benefit of the doubt when it comes to weird 146 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,639 and wicky things. Yeah, I can absolutely understand that. Thank you so 147 00:13:48,759 --> 00:13:52,960 much for your time. I really really appreciate it. And I'm sorry you 148 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:56,120 couldn't come on the show live, but I understand where it's in the middle 149 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,039 of the night for you over there. So you take care. Oh it's 150 00:13:58,039 --> 00:14:01,279 all good, bless you. All right, good to see you. You 151 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,879 look great, by the way, you look really great. Randomly you look 152 00:14:03,919 --> 00:14:09,840 good too. I have to say nothings and get some sleep. Yeah, 153 00:14:09,879 --> 00:14:11,919 all right, take care, all right, take care, Francis, you 154 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:18,360 guys all right? Well that was great, wasn't it. Um. Yeah, 155 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:22,080 I gotta say, you know, this is the third student that I've 156 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:26,559 talked to out of the sixty five and I knew you talked to you said 157 00:14:26,639 --> 00:14:31,159 forty three or so. Um. They're so authentic. I mean, I 158 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,919 don't know another way to put it. Um. Everything about them is just 159 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:39,840 so authentic and um. And there's you know, there's there's a lot of 160 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,399 emotion when it comes to you know, Francis, maybe didn't show that a 161 00:14:43,399 --> 00:14:46,639 lot, but there are, you know, a lot of emotions that this 162 00:14:46,679 --> 00:14:50,879 thing has brought up as such an early uh you know, childhood thing. 163 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:56,120 Has anyone that you're aware of talked about having any like uh, what do 164 00:14:56,159 --> 00:15:01,360 they call it? Pst. Uh what's it called PT Yeah, syndromes, 165 00:15:01,559 --> 00:15:07,600 Oh yeah, yeah sure, and in and what what what way you know, 166 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:13,399 nightmares nightmares that some with some people that still continue to this day. 167 00:15:13,759 --> 00:15:20,080 Um m hmmm. And uh you you had none of the things, Okay. 168 00:15:22,039 --> 00:15:28,159 I just he pointed out a really a good fact that a lot of 169 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:33,519 people, you know, not just scenarial, but in um in this phenomenon, 170 00:15:33,759 --> 00:15:37,200 you know, they have an event happened and they keep quiet for a 171 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:41,720 long long time, and that you know, just holding onto something that big 172 00:15:43,039 --> 00:15:48,840 is uh, challenging, very you know, very trying on a person's life. 173 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,720 And I just thought he put it so well into words, um that 174 00:15:52,720 --> 00:16:00,399 that process of you know, being very silent about it and then finally saying 175 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,159 to yourself, I got to deal with this. Yeah. And I thought 176 00:16:03,159 --> 00:16:07,320 it was interesting how we said, you know, the doubt creeps in because 177 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:11,720 you know, it's it's interesting. I've been communicating with a someone that had 178 00:16:11,759 --> 00:16:17,159 an amazing UFO sighting. I'm trying to get her on the show for at 179 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:22,399 least a little while and talk about it. And she said something like along 180 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:26,440 those lines like, you know, all these years go by and I'm wondering 181 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,679 if I just dreamt the whole thing. But you know, she had conversations 182 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,840 with her parents and relatives that were right there when it all happened, and 183 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,200 but she just says, it feels like almost like a dream at this point 184 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:40,080 in her life. And I think that happens. I think so it's it's 185 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:45,039 so out of the ordinary and you don't know where to put it. And 186 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:48,600 then, you know, at least more so in the past, you're surrounded 187 00:16:48,639 --> 00:16:52,919 by people that don't believe you. Yeah, you know, and you're you're 188 00:16:52,919 --> 00:16:57,799 afraid of you know, getting ridiculed or you know, having a big question 189 00:16:57,879 --> 00:17:03,680 mark on your shirt. You know. Yeah, So i'd like to get 190 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,640 yeah, absolutely, and we'll get right back into that, but I'd like 191 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,799 to get something out of the way, just to get it out of the 192 00:17:10,799 --> 00:17:15,240 way at this point, the first part of the show, because you know, 193 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:22,559 people are already wondering, Um, this COVID nineteen, How is this 194 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:32,240 affecting the release of this film? Uh? Um, It's definitely affected it. 195 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:37,279 Um. But I gotta say, I had my brother died tragically in 196 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:42,839 September and it was actually the night you were on the show last It was, 197 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,559 Yeah, I remember that Yeah, oh my god. Yeah, it 198 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:49,799 was right after you get off the show last time you were on and probably 199 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,839 sorry that was a tragedy. Yeah it was. It was. It was 200 00:17:53,839 --> 00:17:57,839 a tragedy, and I um and then you know, as soon as I 201 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:03,640 got over that, COVID came in and but I did get a lot of 202 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:07,880 work done. I went out to AFM, the American Film Market, and 203 00:18:07,039 --> 00:18:17,200 um started talking to distributors and that kind of thing. But yeah, it's 204 00:18:17,279 --> 00:18:22,880 it was, it's I think it's you know, because there's no content being 205 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,240 made in Hollywood right now. All all the productions have been shut down, 206 00:18:26,279 --> 00:18:30,119 which actually may be helpful for the film. Actually, yeah, because there's 207 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:37,640 no all the Netflix and Amazon, they're all starving for content because they're running 208 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,000 through it, like, you know, extremely fast. I think they're out, 209 00:18:41,799 --> 00:18:45,279 um, and that's going to be like, for instance, I all 210 00:18:45,319 --> 00:18:49,000 of a sudden, social distancing was gone tomorrow. It's still going to take 211 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:56,160 a long time before you know, something can be produced and filmed and edited 212 00:18:56,200 --> 00:19:00,440 and you know, sure, so you know, there's there's still a lag 213 00:19:00,519 --> 00:19:03,440 now I'm sure of things that were backed up, and but that will be 214 00:19:03,519 --> 00:19:07,920 over and then they will be clamoring for everything. Yeah, that's true. 215 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,640 I really wanted this to be a theatrical release, and I don't know if 216 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:19,799 that's going to happen because of covid um. But well, whether the film 217 00:19:19,799 --> 00:19:26,440 comes out on Netflix or Amazon or which whichever takes it, you know, 218 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:30,680 I'm still gonna have a theatrical release when I can, you know what I 219 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:36,720 mean? When when we're through this time period? Yeah? Yeah, historically 220 00:19:36,799 --> 00:19:41,279 has that ever happened before where there'll be a release online and then in theater 221 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:45,160 after or I mean really okay, yeah, huh, I see all right? 222 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:49,079 Yeah? Um, So the number one question I still get. I 223 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,920 get I think, I tell you you know, I have your banner up 224 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,839 on my website, and I still get people that will ask me when when 225 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,839 can we see this? So we don't really have any idea exactly when. 226 00:20:02,079 --> 00:20:04,359 Still, at this point, I get all kinds of you know, people 227 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:11,079 think I'm working for the CIA and withholding the film and no, really, 228 00:20:11,599 --> 00:20:17,160 you know people, not everybody, but you know this. The hold up 229 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:21,039 on this film has been financial all the way along. I mean, I 230 00:20:21,519 --> 00:20:23,039 would have been done a long time ago if I didn't have to keep going 231 00:20:23,079 --> 00:20:29,759 out to raise money. Um. But we're right now, we're talking to 232 00:20:29,799 --> 00:20:34,759 a whole bunch of different distributors and um, I'm not going to be making 233 00:20:34,799 --> 00:20:40,519 that decision once this. Once I go with the distributor, excuse me, 234 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:47,799 Um, then they're going to sell it to Netflix, Amazon, who who, 235 00:20:47,839 --> 00:20:49,559 you know, all the that's where they're going to be marketing it too, 236 00:20:49,559 --> 00:20:53,400 and those people are going to have a big decision on when the release 237 00:20:53,440 --> 00:21:00,559 state is. But looking at it now, it's probably going my my preference 238 00:21:00,799 --> 00:21:03,519 right now, it's going to be the end of this year or the very 239 00:21:03,559 --> 00:21:08,920 beginning of January, the very beginning of next year, unless something extraordinary happens, 240 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:15,079 because I'd like it out today, you know. Um, But you 241 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,920 also have to think about where people are at right now and whether they can 242 00:21:21,599 --> 00:21:26,559 really take this film in you know, with COVID going on, and um, 243 00:21:27,519 --> 00:21:30,960 I don't know, there's a lot of things, a lot everything. 244 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:36,079 Once that, once uh COVID happened, everything changed that my thinking had to 245 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:37,960 change. I had to you know, consult and talk with a lot of 246 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,319 other people to see what to do, you know, and see what the 247 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:45,799 market's going to be and when the right time to release this is. Um. 248 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:52,839 But yeah, it's it's coming. Yeah, it's just it's just who's 249 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,400 gonna who's gonna who's gonna be the winner? Or so to speak. As 250 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:02,160 far as picking it up right, well, I can't wait to see it. 251 00:22:02,279 --> 00:22:07,279 And it just actually, when's the last time that you actually sat down 252 00:22:07,839 --> 00:22:14,640 and watched the whole thing all the way through? Three weeks ago? Three 253 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,960 weeks ago? Yeah, And how do you feel when you watch it? 254 00:22:18,839 --> 00:22:25,480 Um? I always feel moved always. Yeah. I mean for the first 255 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:37,200 first year when we had a final cut twenty eighteen and I cried every single 256 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:41,359 time for a while. It just really moved me emotionally, and then I 257 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:47,799 kind of got through that part. But yeah, it's very emotional, it's 258 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:53,039 very it's full of wisdom. I'm not in the movie, thank god. 259 00:22:53,519 --> 00:22:57,160 I chose not to be in the movie. And I'm glad because it's not 260 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,839 a movie about me, you know what I mean. It's about it's about 261 00:23:00,839 --> 00:23:07,720 these kids and this extraordinary event. Yeah, and and kudos to you because 262 00:23:07,759 --> 00:23:12,160 a lot of I've seen a lot of documentary of filmmakers like to put themselves 263 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:18,359 right in the middle of the film um names unnamed here, but still make 264 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,240 the film be almost as much a part of them as h as the the 265 00:23:22,319 --> 00:23:25,680 incident, and I'm really glad that you focus just on you know, the 266 00:23:25,839 --> 00:23:30,400 children, uh, where they were at and where they're at now. Yeah, 267 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,519 I had a lot of people say, oh, you should put yourself 268 00:23:32,519 --> 00:23:36,079 in the movie. It's like, no, that that doesn't make sense to 269 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:45,279 me. Um, But anyway, Yeah, the it's it's their story. 270 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:49,599 Yeah, that's awesome. And of the forty three, we've got just one 271 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,400 minute here until we're going into break. But of the forty three that you 272 00:23:53,599 --> 00:23:57,720 interviewed, Um, where where did you have to go? You know? 273 00:23:59,039 --> 00:24:02,599 In general? How many places did you have to visit to meet up with 274 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,839 these people? A lot, because they're all over the place. But I 275 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:11,359 mean even in Africa. I had to go to uh, you know, 276 00:24:11,519 --> 00:24:15,519 Zimbabwe's all over South Africa. I literally covered the entire country of South Africa, 277 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,079 which is rather large. It's a little bigger than the size of Texas. 278 00:24:19,799 --> 00:24:26,519 And yeah, that was a that was a really challenging trip. To 279 00:24:26,519 --> 00:24:32,079 put it mildly, Yea, it was. I had some moments, but 280 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:37,039 yeah, all over the place, and then England, um, and then 281 00:24:37,279 --> 00:24:41,279 Canada, across the United States, there were several, um, several in 282 00:24:41,319 --> 00:24:48,640 Canada. So it did three trips to Africa and then England. In Europe, 283 00:24:51,319 --> 00:25:02,240 UM people in Germany, UM anyway, plenty of places, amazing, 284 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:06,400 a lot of travel. All right, so hanging, everyone will be right 285 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:11,759 back right after these messages. All right, everyone, welcome back. My 286 00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:18,559 guest tonight is Randall Nickerson and pretty excited about the show. And we'll be 287 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:23,920 taking calls in the last half hour of the show tonight and I'll put that 288 00:25:25,039 --> 00:25:29,960 number up on the screen. And also we do have a bill helping out 289 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,519 behind the scenes and he is going to be screening the calls. So here 290 00:25:33,519 --> 00:25:41,480 we are back Randall. And as far as up as far as these people 291 00:25:41,559 --> 00:25:49,559 that you interviewed, how willing was most people to actually get involved in this, 292 00:25:52,319 --> 00:25:57,319 I would say half half. Yeah, I would say fifty percent we're 293 00:25:57,319 --> 00:26:04,640 willing, and the other fifty percent were didn't want to go on camera or 294 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:10,759 or you know, they every single one of them had the story, but 295 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:15,920 it became I think it really came down to fear of ridicule and you know, 296 00:26:17,079 --> 00:26:22,240 fear how of how it would affect their careers and things like that. 297 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,680 Has anyone ever given you an example of how it's affected them in that way 298 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:33,079 in a negative way, with ridicule. Oh yeah, I mean even the 299 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:38,920 kids when they were younger, you know that everybody around the area had known 300 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:44,039 it, and kids from other schools were calling them names and joking about, 301 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,000 oh these are those are the kids that saw the aliens? You know, 302 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,359 so they got picked on right away. And not all of them, but 303 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:56,920 a lot of them. Yeah, yeah, And are there is there a 304 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,359 percentage of people that just absolutely do not want to ever talk about it or 305 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,799 think about it as far as you know, Well, yeah, I know 306 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:11,000 several. I mean those are some of the most traumatized people of the kids. 307 00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:15,000 Um, I get it. I mean I get it. Like why 308 00:27:15,799 --> 00:27:23,720 you know we duty Yeah, let's talk about the person that just came forward, 309 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,799 Um, and obviously didn't make the film. How did all that come 310 00:27:29,799 --> 00:27:37,119 about? I've been contacting him for years, eight years anyway, and never 311 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,759 got a response, never got a response. And then I got an email. 312 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:48,720 Um, sorry, I actually Facebook. Um, and uh we started 313 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:53,519 he said I want to talk now, and I m so We've been starting 314 00:27:53,519 --> 00:27:59,240 an email conversation that's going to be probably very long. Um. He was 315 00:27:59,279 --> 00:28:04,759 interviewed by on Mac and several other people as well. Just a really good 316 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:11,359 witness. You know, you've got a good look at them. Wow. 317 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,839 Now, well, will you do what you can to make sure that when 318 00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:22,160 the film is released that everyone that was a witness that you can reach will 319 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:23,839 be aware of it coming out, you know, the people that did not 320 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:29,440 want to participate, Yes, And and I hope they come forward, and 321 00:28:29,519 --> 00:28:32,200 I think they will, to be honest, I think the aftermath of the 322 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:37,079 film is going to be an awful lot of these people and coming forward. 323 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:45,440 I was wondering that myself, and almost makes you wonder if there could be 324 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:52,039 some type of little recap after you know, with with some of the people 325 00:28:52,079 --> 00:28:56,720 that are will feel more comfortable talking about it. Yeah, I would like 326 00:28:56,799 --> 00:29:00,920 to do that actually, if that, I want to see what happens after 327 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:06,960 the film and see who comes forward. Um, and I have a million 328 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:11,319 other interviews that aren't in the film, so but I would really be interested. 329 00:29:11,359 --> 00:29:18,559 There were several people that, Um, it really kills you when you 330 00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:22,759 you do a good you know, you you you talk to somebody and you're 331 00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:26,359 just thinking, oh my god, I have to get this on tape, 332 00:29:26,839 --> 00:29:32,599 and then that person doesn't want to do that, and and their story is 333 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:38,880 brilliant and detailed, and you know, it's just it happened. It happened 334 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:45,240 a lot during this filming. I'm sure it did. When when time goes 335 00:29:45,359 --> 00:29:49,119 by, you know a lot of people can get like a distorted memory of 336 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,880 something. Did you see some of that and we're people aware of that happening. 337 00:29:56,799 --> 00:30:02,319 I didn't see it, um, I at all. Actually I only 338 00:30:02,359 --> 00:30:08,720 saw it in kids that were There were a couple of kids that weren't part 339 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:14,039 didn't see it at all or anything. But I wanted to be part of 340 00:30:14,039 --> 00:30:18,279 the story, you know, because they're kids and they were on the other 341 00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:22,440 playground or something and they didn't see that the entire event happened. So, 342 00:30:22,839 --> 00:30:26,680 um, I see it. I saw that in a few cases, but 343 00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:30,839 in general, I mean, these kids were interviewed in right, you know, 344 00:30:30,359 --> 00:30:33,680 two days three days after it happened, and then a week later, 345 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:40,240 and then two weeks later, and then six months later, then three years 346 00:30:40,319 --> 00:30:47,319 later, and then then I I think I was the next one to interview 347 00:30:47,359 --> 00:30:51,759 them, But I think I missed one news outlet that interviewed them. But 348 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,640 I mean, they're the stories have been consistent since since the beginning, which 349 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,440 is that's astounding to me. It really is considering you know, how young 350 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,480 they were allowed them were at the time, and the believability of this. 351 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:10,279 I'd like to play this clip now of Selma Siddik. She was actually I've 352 00:31:10,279 --> 00:31:15,319 had her on the show twice now and she's brilliant, So I'm gonna play 353 00:31:15,319 --> 00:31:18,519 this clip of her right now. I asked my mom, I said, 354 00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:21,200 you know, did you really believe me? And she said, well, 355 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,200 you weren't a child who lied, and I may not have believed in what 356 00:31:26,279 --> 00:31:30,240 you saw, but I believed in you, So I guess in a way 357 00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:36,160 I kind of did. My dad doesn't really say too much about it. 358 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:41,960 Again, very supportive in the fact that he knew that I was not a 359 00:31:42,039 --> 00:31:51,680 child who lied and so therefore supported me. May not necessarily have believed in 360 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:57,200 UFOs or extraterrestrials himself, but new enough that I wouldn't make something like that 361 00:31:57,279 --> 00:32:04,519 up or little I'll be influenced by other people that just was not me. 362 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:15,160 Yeah. She's great, Yeah, Yeah, I love I love talking to 363 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,960 her. She's just so well spoken and and uh, you know some of 364 00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:23,079 the girl, Yeah, some of the things she has said. I mean, 365 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:28,440 it's just, you know, it's really amazing when they talk about something 366 00:32:28,519 --> 00:32:34,279 like the beings and the you know, the similarities that the children are saying. 367 00:32:34,319 --> 00:32:38,039 But you know, I remember Selma saying something like almost like a porcelain 368 00:32:38,519 --> 00:32:45,799 type skin, you know that these things had and so bizarre. And I 369 00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:51,880 guess the biggest takeaway that I get from Selma when I spoke to her in 370 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,720 the past was how difficult it was for her to leave when she was locking 371 00:32:55,799 --> 00:33:04,000 eyes with this being and she was concerned about her her sibling or siblings, 372 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,960 I can't remember. Yeah, so she wanted to turn away and see how 373 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:12,400 her sister was and had that She said it was one of the hardest things 374 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,240 she ever did in her life, was turn away from men. Stare. 375 00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:21,039 Yep, A lot of kids went through that. Yeah, And of the 376 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:25,519 percentage of just a number, rough number, how many people actually felt like 377 00:33:25,599 --> 00:33:36,880 they got some type of message, you know that that number, I don't 378 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:42,079 actually know. I'm guessing it's around twelve or maybe more. But it depends 379 00:33:42,119 --> 00:33:47,920 on whether the person wanted to share it, because that's sort of another stretch, 380 00:33:49,079 --> 00:33:52,039 right, Like a lot of the men didn't want to talk about their 381 00:33:52,119 --> 00:33:58,319 being beings. They were fine talking about the spacecraft being there, but they 382 00:33:58,359 --> 00:34:00,119 didn't want to talk about the beings, and they sure as heck didn't want 383 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:05,839 to talk about some message coming into their mind. Uh so a lot I 384 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,960 think, I know for a fact that there's a lot more people that had 385 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:15,159 that experience that are not talking about it, and I hope they do. 386 00:34:15,039 --> 00:34:21,599 Yeah. Um, Selma said she just plane didn't have anything. Yeah, 387 00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:25,559 you know, yeah, And that's what I love about Selma's She's you know, 388 00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:29,480 she's very honest and straight with what she knows and doesn't know. And 389 00:34:29,519 --> 00:34:32,639 that's that's the best kind of witness, you know, in a way. 390 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:39,079 And uh yeah, there's some really great people in the movie and some great 391 00:34:39,519 --> 00:34:52,360 um great uh you know, uh just story and uh personality and um adventure. 392 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:58,960 Yeah, um can you relay some of what people thought that they were 393 00:34:59,559 --> 00:35:04,679 having communicated to themselves. To them, it was mainly around the environment and 394 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:09,159 what we were doing to our environment. That was primarily the messages that were 395 00:35:09,519 --> 00:35:21,519 transmitted through the mind somehow like psychically, um, and a concern of what 396 00:35:21,559 --> 00:35:28,119 we were doing to ourselves, which which is amazing to come out of a 397 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:34,039 village amount of village, but a very small farm community in Africa. You 398 00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:38,440 know, granted this this the farm community, and the school was a mixed 399 00:35:38,519 --> 00:35:43,800 race, mixed religion. I mean it was a perfect place. Actually if 400 00:35:44,039 --> 00:35:50,519 if you look at the demographics that were at that school, you've got a 401 00:35:50,559 --> 00:36:00,639 sampling of just about everything. And what about did any of these children talk 402 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:07,920 about how they you know, with this telepathic communication that supposedly that they received, 403 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:12,480 did they talk to their parents about or did with some of them just 404 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,199 not even want to they did? Oh yeah, I mean it was difficult 405 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:22,000 for a lot of the out of kids that weren't believed that were um you 406 00:36:22,039 --> 00:36:27,400 know, their parents just didn't believe them. And then other kids parents believed 407 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,199 them. There were there was a paramedic who worked with three of the kids 408 00:36:31,199 --> 00:36:37,119 because they were super traumatized. Um. But I spoke to a lot of 409 00:36:37,159 --> 00:36:43,599 the parents. That was part of the you know, part of researching this 410 00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:51,480 whole thing, and that was interesting to see how that happened. Um, 411 00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:59,760 how you know the kids were taken by their parents or and how religion entered 412 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:08,079 into to that fact as well. How how the religion of the parents affected 413 00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:14,159 the children, like some of them are like this was the devil, you 414 00:37:14,199 --> 00:37:22,920 know, and pretty hard stuff for kids when you really have seen something you 415 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:28,320 know to be ridiculed and also not believed by your parents. That's that's tough. 416 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,960 Yeah. Yeah, so there's there's basically a lot to deal with it. 417 00:37:32,559 --> 00:37:37,639 Um, what are if you can talk about some of the other people 418 00:37:37,679 --> 00:37:45,639 that you have interviewed, UM for this film. Actually I interviewed that are 419 00:37:45,639 --> 00:37:50,519 in the film or it doesn't matter if they're in or not. Okay, 420 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:57,199 Yeah, I interviewed at least one hundred and fifty two hundred people. UM. 421 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:02,599 A lot of them were UM the day before Ariel, the day before 422 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:09,039 that, on the Wednesday, people that have witnessed strange things that whole week. 423 00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:14,480 Um. So I have a ton of those interviews, and I'm not 424 00:38:14,519 --> 00:38:16,199 sure how I'm gonna put them out, but I'm gonna. I want to 425 00:38:16,199 --> 00:38:28,880 put them out. UM interviewed the teachers, interviewed pilots and that that's a 426 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,039 whole interesting thing too, because I am still waiting to hear back from two 427 00:38:32,079 --> 00:38:37,480 other airline pilots that were in the air that night. I have three three 428 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:45,079 pilots already that were um, witnessed this thing in the sky the night before. 429 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:52,360 And uh so, yeah, you know, I interviewed the grounds key. 430 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:58,960 I interviewed everybody I could, parents and groundskeepers and anybody that had any 431 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,599 clue to what had happened, you know, because I was just really investigating 432 00:39:02,639 --> 00:39:07,840 this full on and I wanted to know everything about it to see if there 433 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:12,199 were any holes in it, you know, As a filmmaker, and you 434 00:39:12,199 --> 00:39:15,880 know, this is my first feature, I sure as heck wanted to make 435 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:21,639 sure that this was correct, you know, And so I spent a lot 436 00:39:21,679 --> 00:39:27,360 of time interviewing an awful lot of people and then also professional witnesses, and 437 00:39:30,519 --> 00:39:39,000 you know, the I'm trying to said Richard Haynes and Nick Pope and any 438 00:39:39,039 --> 00:39:45,719 of the top line people in this field to sort of get a sense of 439 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:50,559 what their take was on the whole thing. You know, I wanted, 440 00:39:50,639 --> 00:39:53,800 I was. I didn't just make a movie about this school. I actually 441 00:39:53,880 --> 00:40:04,000 went and studied the whole phenomena in major depths. And the other ones I 442 00:40:04,039 --> 00:40:10,639 interviewed was, of course all the people surrounding John Mack and his life, 443 00:40:10,679 --> 00:40:17,679 because that was a very big research project in itself on John. Doctor John 444 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:23,639 Mack. He was the psychiatrist that went over professor of psychiatry at Harvard who 445 00:40:23,639 --> 00:40:32,159 went over to Zimbabwe soon after the event to interview the kids. Yeah, 446 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:37,760 that that whole part is really interesting. How he just up and did that, 447 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:44,079 you know. And there's a a lady in Boston that was with him 448 00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:49,679 there. I can't remember her name, Dominique cala Monopolis. Yip. Yeah, 449 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,000 I've reached out to her a few times and she's just not interested in 450 00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:57,280 talking right now about it. But yeah, very interesting. You know. 451 00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,440 I just had a text, a personal text from a friend of mine that's 452 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,320 listening to the show and he says, this is all great, he says, 453 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:09,320 but I don't know what you people are talking about. So I think 454 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,519 it would be It wouldn't be a bad idea. I know it's a little 455 00:41:12,599 --> 00:41:15,679 late in the game here, but to give like a nutshell for there are 456 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:21,480 a lot of first time listeners and this was back in nineteen ninety four. 457 00:41:21,559 --> 00:41:23,679 If you want to just kind of recap the whole situation, if you don't 458 00:41:23,679 --> 00:41:29,320 mind, and hanging there with the long time listener hanging there for this part. 459 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:36,760 Yeah, okay, yeah, basic nineteen ninety four in a school in 460 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:45,320 rural Zimbabwe. The something was in the sky and then landed down outside the 461 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:53,119 playground of this primary school and the children were all out in the playground and 462 00:41:53,159 --> 00:41:58,440 watch this thing happened at least two beings. I've heard up two, three, 463 00:41:58,519 --> 00:42:05,280 four, but there's basically two beings. One had some kind of hair 464 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,800 or covering on his head and the other one was bald, and they were 465 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:15,199 short and were dressed in a black, black skin tight suit and one of 466 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:19,119 them, at least one of them, approached the playground and the kids got 467 00:42:19,199 --> 00:42:23,400 really freaked out and ran. One hundred kids ran into the staff meeting that 468 00:42:23,519 --> 00:42:30,199 was going on in the school, and some of the kids got messages about 469 00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:38,320 the environment during that close encounter with this one particular being. And that's pretty 470 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:44,199 much the story, and it all goes on from there. One of the 471 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,440 things that I find found really fascinating, because they did a lot of study 472 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:52,119 on it, was why were there any other reports of these creatures being in 473 00:42:52,199 --> 00:42:57,800 black? I've heard grays, I've heard different you know, descriptions, and 474 00:42:58,079 --> 00:43:02,079 the fact that they you know, it was part of verifying the story. 475 00:43:02,159 --> 00:43:06,719 For me, was like, all right, has anybody else ever seen these 476 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,360 things in black? Because that's and there were there were two cases that I 477 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:15,559 found that they were wearing these black skin type suits back in the nineteen sixties. 478 00:43:15,639 --> 00:43:20,880 I think one was in the seventies, and it was just an abnormal 479 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,519 If they were going to make up a story they would have they wouldn't have 480 00:43:24,519 --> 00:43:29,880 had them, they wouldn't have had had them in black, they would have 481 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:34,559 been gray. And you know, yeah, it's an interesting fact that and 482 00:43:34,599 --> 00:43:38,719 there's a lot of interesting things that don't fit the media, you know, 483 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:45,280 don't fit the media explanation of them, which is great because that's what makes 484 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:50,599 it unique, you know, in a lot of ways. Right, yeah, 485 00:43:50,639 --> 00:43:54,960 and so but did you say there was confusion as far as like some 486 00:43:55,360 --> 00:44:00,000 thought they saw them dressed in something else or are you saying they know no, 487 00:44:00,199 --> 00:44:05,599 Okay, I see, yeah, now they they were in black, 488 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:12,719 yeah, in one I know some some said that they thought one of them 489 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,440 had long, like long black hair, So I have that risk. Yeah. 490 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:22,199 So John Knack had gone into conversation with that these children that were reporting 491 00:44:22,199 --> 00:44:27,199 the hair and asked them about well, what what was it hair or was 492 00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,880 it a covering or and they didn't really know what it was. It was 493 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:38,280 just something that was came down from their head, you know. Yeah. 494 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:42,840 So I mean that was a big one for me. I'm like, I 495 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,280 don't think I've ever heard of that before. And then, um, some 496 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:51,519 of the children actually reported right away early on that one of them had hair 497 00:44:51,599 --> 00:44:54,039 or the other one didn't. The one that came closer to them didn't. 498 00:44:54,880 --> 00:45:00,800 UM anyway, the yeah, so that there has been a lot of those 499 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:05,760 little things. You go, well, okay, let me think about this. 500 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,159 Um. But yeah, it's but the thing is, it's been consistent. 501 00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:15,360 Yeah, throughout. I remember when I was talking to Selma, she 502 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,519 said that she could have reached out and touched the being, that's how close 503 00:45:19,559 --> 00:45:25,239 it was to her. Um. Did other other students actually report the same? 504 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,880 I mean, was this thing right close to a lot of them? 505 00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,599 A large group, Yes, a very large group. And you know it 506 00:45:34,639 --> 00:45:37,719 wasn't just sixty two kids, by the way, there was a lot more 507 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:45,079 that saw this. The sixty two kids that drew drawings. The other students 508 00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:52,280 were too young and they this is a little inside information. The grade ones 509 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:58,360 and twos were not part of that. You know that the teachers decided to 510 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,159 leave the grade ones and who's out of the whole thing. They didn't want 511 00:46:01,159 --> 00:46:07,119 to scare them more so, Wow, yeah, that was a big dispersion 512 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:12,639 Yeah, Yeah, nobody knows about that, and now they do so. 513 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:19,000 Um, but what was what's interesting about that is that I went down and 514 00:46:19,199 --> 00:46:23,320 looked for those great ones and twos and to find out what they saw, 515 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:29,320 and their stories are just as incredible as the rest of the kids. It's 516 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,599 the same story. And actually the younger kids, I believe saw a lot 517 00:46:32,679 --> 00:46:42,159 more because they were out earlier on the playground, which is typical. Yeah 518 00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,599 all right, well, um, I'm interested to hear about the pilots. 519 00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:50,800 Um what what are they saying that? I mean, what are they saying 520 00:46:50,840 --> 00:47:00,480 that they saw? Um, they saw a light in the sky that came 521 00:47:00,519 --> 00:47:06,599 across They were at twenty five thousand feet and they saw it on the left, 522 00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,559 off the left wing, and they didn't know what it was. They 523 00:47:09,559 --> 00:47:16,239 thought it was possibly another aircraft. And it went right in front of them, 524 00:47:16,559 --> 00:47:22,159 passed at an incredible speed and literally crossed the horizon. And when you're 525 00:47:22,159 --> 00:47:29,039 at twenty five thousand feet altitude, you have a huge horizon that you can 526 00:47:29,119 --> 00:47:31,679 see. And that thing went from one horizon to the other horizon in two 527 00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:37,280 seconds. Well, I mean it was they saw it coming and it just 528 00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,760 went by, and they saw it go over the other side of the horizon, 529 00:47:42,199 --> 00:47:44,280 and it was within the it was in front of them, it was 530 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:51,599 in the within the atmosphere for sure, So you know that, and people 531 00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,199 like those pilots wanted to talk about it, and they didn't forget that. 532 00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:02,239 What do you There's no matter what case it is, no matter how great 533 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:06,920 it is. And I think this is one of the very very top in 534 00:48:07,039 --> 00:48:13,400 my book of all cases. What are the skeptics? How did the skeptics 535 00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,400 try to explain this one off? What are some of the things you've heard? 536 00:48:19,079 --> 00:48:28,119 I've heard about rocket reentry back in September fourteenth, a couple of days 537 00:48:28,119 --> 00:48:37,199 before aerial from a Russian spy satellite that went up and the rocket body passing 538 00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,639 over Africa. What's there are there is evidence for I went to NASA and 539 00:48:43,679 --> 00:48:46,679 you know, did a foia with them and to try to find out any 540 00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:52,760 information. I also did this whole There's more information coming up of this that 541 00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,519 I can't share yet, but I can't wait to share it because it's pretty 542 00:48:54,559 --> 00:48:59,679 mind blowing. But I did a huge investigation into the space program and what 543 00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:04,599 the space program was doing at the time. So if skeptics, I think 544 00:49:04,599 --> 00:49:09,440 they'll probably talk about that, and that's okay. You know, it doesn't 545 00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:14,599 matter to me because I have the pilots on the next night seeing this thing 546 00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:20,400 racing across in front of them, and then you know, aerial happened, 547 00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:30,039 and that was so unique, Like it wasn't just people talking and hearing about 548 00:49:30,159 --> 00:49:35,159 some strange thing in the sky on the Wednesday. It wasn't. There's no 549 00:49:35,199 --> 00:49:37,960 evidence that that's where that came from. And then Thursday, and then in 550 00:49:38,039 --> 00:49:43,559 the day after aerial, another event happened, So something was going on there. 551 00:49:43,599 --> 00:49:45,440 But I don't know how the skeptics are gonna you know, I don't 552 00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:51,960 look if the problem, the problem with the skeptics is they're not out in 553 00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:55,480 the field. They're not out there, they're not out there studying it. 554 00:49:55,599 --> 00:50:00,880 They're not out there interviewing people, looking at things, doing research. So 555 00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:06,039 just not so I don't I just don't give them any weight, you know, 556 00:50:06,119 --> 00:50:09,880 if they if they don't believe this, just fine, you know, 557 00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:15,480 And I don't care, you know, it's just yeah, you'll eventually know 558 00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:20,440 at some point, we all will, right, Yeah, And this is 559 00:50:20,519 --> 00:50:24,679 one case of thousands, tens of thousands of cases around the globe. Yes, 560 00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:30,800 but it must be your opinion too. This is a pretty darn good 561 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:37,840 one. Well, yes, because in the primary reason is it was filmed 562 00:50:38,159 --> 00:50:45,039 soon afterwards. You know that that was really the interviews you mean, the 563 00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:52,599 interviews of the kids was done in parents and other interviews were done early on 564 00:50:52,440 --> 00:51:00,519 and continued for you know, three months. That's priceless. That doesn't happen 565 00:51:00,639 --> 00:51:05,960 usually, you know. Yeah, but the BBC reporter, I mean he 566 00:51:06,039 --> 00:51:14,320 really, it was really him who who initiated the importance of it, and 567 00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:19,400 then he behind and then John Mack was called. Yeah, so there's a 568 00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,920 whole I can't wait to talk. I can't wait to the movies out so 569 00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:27,039 I can really tell you everything, because I really would. It's a fascinating 570 00:51:27,079 --> 00:51:32,400 story. Just the details that I aren't in the movie and the ones I 571 00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:37,559 really want to share that are, I just can't talk about it until it's 572 00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:43,840 released. Yeah, well we all want to see that too. What happened 573 00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:51,599 the day after? Um, there was a a driver from the school who 574 00:51:51,880 --> 00:52:01,360 um, he left the school and he ran into these creatures on the road 575 00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:10,360 and he was so these creatures on the road according to him, and he 576 00:52:10,599 --> 00:52:16,159 swerved away to get in it so he wouldn't hit them, and he um, 577 00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:23,360 his his truck went over the embankment, and he didn't know and he 578 00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:28,800 was a you know, a native there in one of the villages, and 579 00:52:29,039 --> 00:52:32,880 um, you know, he didn't know if they were his ancestors or what 580 00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:37,960 they were, you know, alien. I mean the reason he did talk 581 00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:44,039 to John Mack about it because he thought they were were potentially may have been 582 00:52:44,159 --> 00:52:47,880 aliens in something that that the kids had seen the day before. But there 583 00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:58,840 were several other other events that happened. Um yeah, I'd have to I'd 584 00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:00,320 have to go over him. But there was a woman missing for twenty four 585 00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:06,519 hours really uh yeah, during that time period, and this was all in 586 00:53:06,599 --> 00:53:12,239 the same area. Yeah. Yeah. That's another thing that's kind of puzzling 587 00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:19,159 to me is when something happens in the same area repeatedly, when whatever they 588 00:53:19,159 --> 00:53:22,360 are, you talk about moving two seconds from the horizon to rise, you 589 00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,000 know, from one side of the horizon to the next. They could go 590 00:53:24,039 --> 00:53:30,920 anywhere they want, yet they're they're in this particular area, and it makes 591 00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:35,639 you wonder why. And that that goes for a lot of UFO incidents that 592 00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,760 are you know, reyndlds from forests, say, and any of those just 593 00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:43,840 in one area, a lot of things happening, very strange, It's true. 594 00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:50,320 And you know, these things can move at incredible speeds and you know, 595 00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:57,000 you think you're they can you know, could be in Japan and one 596 00:53:57,079 --> 00:54:01,960 you know, one one second and in the United States and in a couple 597 00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:10,840 of seconds, yeah, you know, and that there. Yeah, so 598 00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,719 it does make you wonder why they focus on an area if this is the 599 00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,639 And it sounds like, you know, there was a lot. You said, 600 00:54:19,679 --> 00:54:22,960 there was a lot of things going on there. You don't think any 601 00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:28,639 of it was hysteria related or anything like that. Well, maybe there could 602 00:54:28,639 --> 00:54:32,800 have been some, I'm sure, um, but for the most part, 603 00:54:34,159 --> 00:54:42,679 everybody I talked to was pretty grounded in what they saw. And ye, 604 00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:46,400 now there was a um, there was a controversy and maybe you can clear 605 00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:52,000 this up. Someone had told me that a teacher had come forward recently. 606 00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:59,880 Do you know anything about that and said that she was a witness? True, 607 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:06,440 it is true. H Have you spoken to her? Yes? And 608 00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,639 did that make the film? Was that after the film? Now? That 609 00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:15,440 was it's in the film? Yeah? Okay, all right, you sound 610 00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:21,159 hesitant to give that away. I am. You know, Well, there 611 00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,599 was a lot of decision around. I mean, that was a pretty big 612 00:55:23,639 --> 00:55:30,920 deal that not just one, but I think two had seen this thing. 613 00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:37,360 And the one that I'm absolutely a hundred percent positive did see it because the 614 00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:42,639 kids reported she saw it, passed away. She left the school two weeks 615 00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,199 later, and then she passed away a year later. You know, she 616 00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:51,519 was she was older and in her seventies or eighties. And yeah, and 617 00:55:51,599 --> 00:55:57,519 the other the other teacher, I um, I knew when I first interviewed 618 00:55:57,519 --> 00:56:06,840 her that the way she was pointing out where everything was was as if she 619 00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:12,199 had seen it. And that struck me. And then when I went back 620 00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:16,400 again to Africa, she finally that she said actually saw it. I just 621 00:56:16,519 --> 00:56:22,239 was too embarrassed to say say it. You know, where did that information 622 00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:28,280 come from? That a teacher? Um, it was going around when I 623 00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,079 was at a UFO conference, people were talking about it. Yeah that's true. 624 00:56:31,519 --> 00:56:35,920 Yeah, how about that. I was trying to keep that secret. 625 00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:40,000 Sorry about Okay, this is when we called live live radio. It just 626 00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:45,480 adds credibility to the whole thing, you know. Yeah, yeah, and 627 00:56:45,679 --> 00:56:52,920 so let's talk about you. And you interviewed other teachers too, So what 628 00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,519 was that like for them? When all of a sudden, all these kids 629 00:56:55,559 --> 00:57:02,159 came come running in. What did they have to say about that whole situation? 630 00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,000 I think it was pretty There was a few that would just believed the 631 00:57:08,039 --> 00:57:13,079 kids one hundred percent, and then I think it threw a lot of the 632 00:57:13,199 --> 00:57:16,639 children and uh, I mean sorry, a lot of the teachers threw them 633 00:57:16,639 --> 00:57:20,320 off quite a bit. I mean that you have kids coming in saying they're 634 00:57:21,079 --> 00:57:24,840 there's a UFO and aliens out on the playground. Um, what do you 635 00:57:25,719 --> 00:57:29,920 uh? You know he can see it in the interviews of the of the 636 00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:36,079 of the teachers. Um, you know, some were disbelieve believe. There 637 00:57:36,119 --> 00:57:40,519 was actually one teacher who disbelieved it and I actually tracked him down because I 638 00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:45,119 wanted to know what he thought. You know, he was one teacher that 639 00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,719 thought they were they the kids had made it up. And I found him 640 00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:53,360 and he was still at the school, and I interviewed him and I said, 641 00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:57,679 well, what do you think about it? You know, I'm gonna 642 00:57:58,079 --> 00:58:01,320 i'll put that video up at some point. Um, you know, because 643 00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:05,000 he didn't believe it back then. And I asked him, well, what 644 00:58:05,199 --> 00:58:07,679 changed, you know, what why you believe it now? And he said 645 00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:12,639 yes, it happened, and I said, well, what changed your mind? 646 00:58:12,639 --> 00:58:16,800 And he said the consistent the consistency of the stories over time. Wow. 647 00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:22,679 So that was interesting and but yeah, you had all kinds of teachers 648 00:58:23,239 --> 00:58:31,679 different reactions. Um yeah, I mean whose idea? Was it one of 649 00:58:31,679 --> 00:58:40,920 the teacher's ideas to have them start drawing? Um? I think act, 650 00:58:42,199 --> 00:58:52,119 Well that came from the BBC reporter contacted sent behind, sent behind h called 651 00:58:52,159 --> 00:59:00,320 the school and had an ass to make sure they did drawings. Ah mart 652 00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:04,320 move, yes, yeah, that was her job. She was a journalist 653 00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:08,719 and a researcher. And um, um too, it's too bad I didn't 654 00:59:08,719 --> 00:59:15,960 get to meet her before she died. Well, um, and people, 655 00:59:15,159 --> 00:59:17,599 you know, just for the people listening to the show, if you just 656 00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:25,679 google, um basically this incident rua Ariel school incident, you'll see a lot. 657 00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:30,079 And there's actually some drawings on your website too, right yeah, and 658 00:59:30,199 --> 00:59:36,400 that's uh, might as well get there. Yeah, aero phenomenon dot com. 659 00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:38,039 Yeah, A R I E. L. Which is the name of 660 00:59:38,039 --> 00:59:42,599 the school. Now, I think it's great that. I mean, have 661 00:59:42,719 --> 00:59:46,519 you actually seen some of these drawings in person? I mean that that was 662 00:59:46,719 --> 00:59:52,920 that they saved, which is pretty amazing. And I wonder and when a 663 00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:57,400 lot of them brought them home if their parents, you know, said hey, 664 00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:00,360 you know, throw that out, or I wonder if that type of 665 01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:04,159 thing happened to some of them. I don't think any of those pictures went 666 01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,880 home. I see. I know a lot of the kids even today are 667 01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:13,239 like, where's my my drawing? You know, and it's it's uh. 668 01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:17,119 I've had several moments where I find they're drawing and I send it to them. 669 01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:21,119 You know, they were like, I don't remember what I drew, 670 01:00:21,159 --> 01:00:25,119 but I knew I drew. So there's still several people I have to to 671 01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:30,639 get those drawings too. Yeah, once I once the film's out, oh, 672 01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:37,760 definitely send it to the kids. Kids. But yeah, yeah, 673 01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:44,519 it feels like I have my family that you get it, you can get 674 01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:50,360 you know, you have pretty good relationships and you know, deep conversations with 675 01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,039 people around this and you get to know them over such a long time. 676 01:00:53,519 --> 01:00:59,880 Yeah, and you say it's a long time. Do you when you were 677 01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:04,519 doing these interviews, do you spend like a day with someone and then you 678 01:01:04,559 --> 01:01:08,960 know interview. Yeah, I'm ridiculous when it comes to I shoot and shoot 679 01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:16,280 and shoot and yeah, but that's how I know I can get a good 680 01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:22,880 interview is time, because people are anxious in the beginning, and once they 681 01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:30,880 start to calm down, then things really the interview really relaxes, you know, 682 01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:34,400 and you can feel it, you know, they're not on the spot. 683 01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:40,119 And that's uh, that's just something I know and do, and a 684 01:01:40,119 --> 01:01:46,800 little training in psychology helps for sure. Yeah. I look at it as 685 01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:52,719 a therapy session actually when I do an interview. Sure, yeah, yeah, 686 01:01:52,719 --> 01:01:58,480 and I bet it is. And sometimes it's therapy for me, you 687 01:01:58,519 --> 01:02:01,119 know. It's uh, I've heard it said that a lot of times people 688 01:02:01,199 --> 01:02:04,760 just want to be heard. They want to be able to tell their story 689 01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:09,440 and and you know, not necessarily on film, you know, but still 690 01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:14,800 they just they just want it. They wanted to be heard. And yeah, 691 01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,440 the best thing you can do is listen. Yeah, sorry ahead, 692 01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:22,320 No, no, it's true. Um. Yeah, And so I think 693 01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:27,599 this is a you know, like I said earlier, this to me is 694 01:02:27,639 --> 01:02:30,519 one of the most and I thought it right from the very beginning of the 695 01:02:30,559 --> 01:02:34,519 first time I watched you know, John Max's interviews, way back when I 696 01:02:34,519 --> 01:02:37,079 first started looking into this topic, I thought, oh my, you know, 697 01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:42,320 what could be better than this. As all these you know, children 698 01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:46,519 basically saying that you know, the same thing or something very similar. Nothing 699 01:02:46,719 --> 01:02:50,400 about it seemed to be a hoax. And the thing that I think is 700 01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:55,159 kind of funny is that the teacher that believed that, you know, nothing 701 01:02:55,280 --> 01:03:00,159 was was going on, that there was something that they made up. How 702 01:03:00,199 --> 01:03:02,639 could anyone orchestrate something like that, you know, I mean, for all 703 01:03:02,639 --> 01:03:08,199 these kids to have such a consistent story, it's impossible. Yeah, I 704 01:03:08,239 --> 01:03:16,519 can't see. I went down that road of hoax and psychological you know, 705 01:03:16,559 --> 01:03:22,440 I had teachers look at these interviews of the kids. I had psychiatrists look 706 01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:27,559 at the interviews of the kids or very you know, do you believe these 707 01:03:27,639 --> 01:03:30,679 kids are telling the truths? And they you know, I did my work 708 01:03:30,719 --> 01:03:35,199 on that and they totally agreed that they were. They felt they were being 709 01:03:35,199 --> 01:03:43,239 completely honest. Their body languages were correct, little things that just gave away 710 01:03:43,239 --> 01:03:50,119 through the face and eye movements that they were telling the truth. Yeah. 711 01:03:50,239 --> 01:03:53,920 So yeah, and you know, we as the public out there and what 712 01:03:54,079 --> 01:03:59,719 we can find on YouTube to see the John mac interviews of these children. 713 01:04:00,119 --> 01:04:04,559 Did you actually get to look at the archives of all the footage or most 714 01:04:04,599 --> 01:04:11,239 of the footage about that everything. Yeah, and I bet a lot of 715 01:04:11,239 --> 01:04:14,440 it is like you know, I can understand how people have to edit things 716 01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:18,239 out and uh, you know, but how many hours of footage would you 717 01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:24,880 say? There was, um, six hundred total, but a lot of 718 01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:30,920 that was b roll um wow. And then archivalle I think there's thirty thirty 719 01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:35,199 or forty hours. And then you're talking about your own your own film. 720 01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:40,719 But I mean what about max filming? How much did you have to look? 721 01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:45,559 How many hours of filming did he do? Uh? Boy, let 722 01:04:45,559 --> 01:04:55,239 me think about that. I would say he did it probably four or five 723 01:04:55,320 --> 01:05:01,199 hours. Oh okay, that was his. And then there's all these other 724 01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:08,480 news outlets and reporters. Yeah. Um, but yeah, I've been through 725 01:05:08,519 --> 01:05:13,079 all of it. You know, you keep mentioning the BBC that interview, 726 01:05:13,119 --> 01:05:15,400 and I know that's really important, but I think it you know, to 727 01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:23,519 have a someone with the degree of psychology that John mac had, you know, 728 01:05:23,559 --> 01:05:26,400 from Harvard, I mean just the way he talked to those kids, 729 01:05:27,079 --> 01:05:30,960 you know there is just so comfortable. I mean he made them feel as 730 01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:34,440 comfortable as possible in this question. He was twenty years as a child, 731 01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:41,360 um psychiatrist. Yeah, Um, so, yeah, he and his what 732 01:05:41,519 --> 01:05:48,199 he added there was a different you know, much different um question and answer, 733 01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:51,679 you know, much more relaxed, and you know that he was he 734 01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:56,599 was a professional and John being there, you know, I don't know if 735 01:05:56,599 --> 01:06:01,239 we would have heard about this case at all, Right, John didn't go 736 01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:05,159 there and do his own interviews. I don't know what would have happened if 737 01:06:05,199 --> 01:06:11,039 this would have ever come up, because and there's so many cases like that 738 01:06:11,039 --> 01:06:18,400 that that that just get to glossed over and are forgotten about. Yeah, 739 01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:23,800 because the right people aren't contacted or the right people aren't there. Yeah, 740 01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:27,320 No, I get sometimes I'll get from a listener. They'll send me a 741 01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:30,480 story I never heard of, and it's you know, some pretty amazing UFO 742 01:06:31,519 --> 01:06:34,920 stories and history that you know aren't talked about. You know, we kind 743 01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:39,960 of go back to the you know, the roswelld the ones that you know 744 01:06:40,119 --> 01:06:43,360 keep coming up over and over again. But yeah, there's a lot of 745 01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:48,159 really fascinating stories. And speaking of that, there's a lot of schoolyard stories. 746 01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:53,280 Oh yeah, and have has that? Have you looked into others just 747 01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:59,719 out of curiosity? I went to Wales where the broad Haven incident happened steam 748 01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:03,880 kids. It's witnessed this thing by the sewage plant area behind the school. 749 01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:08,880 Um and uh and a bunch of people in town. I went there, 750 01:07:09,039 --> 01:07:14,760 talked to three of the witnesses and they're all credible, but they didn't want 751 01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:18,400 to go on camera. UM. I interviewed one of the teachers and I 752 01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:25,239 got all their drawings from what all the kids drew from broad Haven and it's 753 01:07:25,239 --> 01:07:30,360 amazingly similar to Ariel And what year was that? Amazing that was seventy seven. 754 01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:38,400 M Yeah, So I looked into that, and then I started collecting 755 01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:45,800 and receiving newspaper articles from somebody that was very helpful of all the sightings around 756 01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:54,800 the world that happened at primary schools and up and there's a there's a dozen 757 01:07:55,400 --> 01:08:00,760 anyway. Yeah, I think there's even more than that. Probably. Yeah. 758 01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:02,880 I had someone that wrote a book about that was on this show. 759 01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:06,559 Oh my god. Oh yeah, nice guy. I just can't think of 760 01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:13,239 right now, I apologize to. Yeah. But yeah, very interesting and 761 01:08:13,719 --> 01:08:17,880 it makes you wonder, you know, the impressionable you know, that's that's 762 01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:23,119 what you have when you have children. Impressionable and you know, I don't 763 01:08:23,119 --> 01:08:28,800 think that's an accident. I don't think so either. I think primary schools 764 01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:33,920 are Yeah, that that that age, You're absolutely right, Um, that 765 01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:40,520 affects their entire lifetime. Yeah, you know, and people are already the 766 01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:47,600 younger crowd anyway, are already super open minded about this, um and that's 767 01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:53,760 just going to carry forward until we finally just say okay, yeah, they're 768 01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:56,680 here. You know. It's it's kind of funny. It's like a lot 769 01:08:56,720 --> 01:09:00,560 of times I'll I'll say personally on this show, well, you know, 770 01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:03,119 I'm not saying it's aliens. You know, we don't know what it is 771 01:09:03,159 --> 01:09:06,800 and all that. But when it comes to this particular case, the ariel 772 01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:14,840 phenomenon, I don't think you can say it's much other than I I can't. 773 01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:16,239 You know, if it's someone from the future, you know, that 774 01:09:16,279 --> 01:09:20,119 would be amazing too, you know, from a billion years in the future 775 01:09:20,159 --> 01:09:27,119 or whenever. But you know it, it's definitely there's some type of alien, 776 01:09:27,239 --> 01:09:30,439 whether they're alien to us for sure, whatever that was described by those 777 01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:34,840 children and what they saw. So I mean, that is a that's a 778 01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:39,760 case where I have to say it's probably aliens, you know, I mean, 779 01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:44,319 I don't know what else would make sense. I don't either, to 780 01:09:44,359 --> 01:09:47,119 be honest, if nothing got out of that thing, it would be a 781 01:09:47,159 --> 01:09:54,560 totally different story. Yeah things did. Yeah, yeah, I remember some 782 01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:58,840 of the descriptions, like one was on top of the disc is that right? 783 01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:04,920 That's correct? Yeah? And yeah, and it was two just two 784 01:10:05,119 --> 01:10:17,359 or two or three? Um, usually there's four four okay m hm. 785 01:10:18,079 --> 01:10:26,720 And what at least and what that number four came up over and over and 786 01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:33,479 over in interviews that of people that didn't want to go on camera. Um, 787 01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:39,880 yeah, so I know that's probably the case. And you know, 788 01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:45,600 there was at least one or two that had stayed back by the craft itself, 789 01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:53,920 and the other at least two approached. Yeah, well I wasn't more 790 01:10:53,960 --> 01:11:00,319 than two that approached. And then there's the one that that he was Rancis 791 01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:03,560 was talking about about it running across the field that was witnessed by a lot 792 01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:10,119 of people. Um, and in the same way that it ran, and 793 01:11:10,159 --> 01:11:16,039 it would appear disappear, bizarre, bizarre, bizarre things. Yeah, the 794 01:11:16,079 --> 01:11:20,760 whole thing was bizarre. And yeah, yeah, and you know, the 795 01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:27,680 one thing that I've never really heard anyone talk about is did they hang out 796 01:11:28,159 --> 01:11:33,840 until these beings got back inside the disc so they they just took off. 797 01:11:34,399 --> 01:11:39,800 Did it was like, did they like and heard did everyone just like oh 798 01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:44,159 yeah, all of a sudden everybody ran into the school? Yeah, and 799 01:11:44,319 --> 01:11:48,520 just left them all out there. I'm just surprised. Did any of the 800 01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:53,199 teachers want to go out and take a look? Two of them did? 801 01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:58,640 Oh and it's these these two, those are the witnesses. Yeah, I 802 01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:06,279 see. I can't wait to hear that story. Yeah, there's a yeah. 803 01:12:06,079 --> 01:12:14,800 Yeah, well so yeah. I mean I don't immediately think everything's alien 804 01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:21,079 or you know myself either. I h a lot of news has come out 805 01:12:21,119 --> 01:12:32,640 in the last two years that's been pretty interesting for sure. Um, but 806 01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:36,079 it's uh, go ahead, no, no, no, I wanted you 807 01:12:36,159 --> 01:12:45,479 to continue your thought there. Yeah, I think, uh, I think 808 01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:49,479 we're seeing, you know, things, things happening for sure. And I 809 01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:59,439 don't consider this, these things a threat necessarily. Um. I know there's 810 01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:03,720 a bent on that this is a threat, and um, good luck if 811 01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:06,960 we're going to pick a fight with those guys or whoever these things are. 812 01:13:08,319 --> 01:13:14,720 Yeah, we have no we have zero chance. Zero. And I know 813 01:13:15,239 --> 01:13:18,319 you hear stories of like you know, maybe you sure shot or something like 814 01:13:18,359 --> 01:13:23,920 that. I mean those that'd be the last thing you'd want to do to 815 01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:28,640 something like that. But I guess stuff you have. Mum, So are 816 01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:34,279 you talking about, like what has happened since um the Pentagon has you know? 817 01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:40,840 Yeah in the New York Times Bless the Keen and uh yeah the Pentagon 818 01:13:41,119 --> 01:13:47,399 lou and um, you know, Harry Reid just did a podcast that was 819 01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:56,800 very interesting, um, quite revealing, And uh, I think the story's 820 01:13:56,800 --> 01:14:00,960 out. You know, the story's out in a lot of ways, and 821 01:14:01,039 --> 01:14:04,560 it's not just new. You know, this has gone back for decades and 822 01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:12,520 decades. And you know, I get why the people and that first figured 823 01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:17,000 out that this was something coming from somewhere else kept it a secret. I 824 01:14:17,119 --> 01:14:21,039 get it. I would have done the same thing because it's so disturbing on 825 01:14:21,079 --> 01:14:29,439 so many levels. And they've had to evolve us to consider the the the 826 01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:39,399 outer space and creatures from other worlds through movies and things like that. But 827 01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:48,239 I think something changed two years ago and there's forward motion on the whole topic, 828 01:14:49,159 --> 01:14:53,359 and it's something that we should all be like, we're concerned with COVID 829 01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:57,000 right now, you know, and it's like everybody in the world, we're 830 01:14:57,039 --> 01:15:01,279 all together, we're all going through the same thing, and I kind of 831 01:15:01,319 --> 01:15:05,199 feel like that's what it's going to take for all of us when we really 832 01:15:05,319 --> 01:15:12,119 come to terms with this other presence out there in space that's coming here. 833 01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:15,920 I really feel like that's going to be a world moment that we're all going 834 01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:19,000 to share because it's about all of us. Has to do with every single 835 01:15:19,039 --> 01:15:27,840 one of us. Whether you've seen one of these things or not. Yeah, 836 01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:30,039 yeah, I just want to. I'm going to give myself a little 837 01:15:30,039 --> 01:15:38,159 bit of a plug here because I've been painting a lot since since this whole 838 01:15:38,199 --> 01:15:41,119 thing. Actually, I've sent you a couple of pictures of some paintings that 839 01:15:41,159 --> 01:15:44,840 I've done, but I try to do. I'm a little embarrassed by this 840 01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:49,680 one because you can't make the gimbal ufo look right I tried, or make 841 01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:51,840 it look like a pretty painting. Here it is. I'm going to bring 842 01:15:51,880 --> 01:16:02,640 it up here. Let's see. This is it? I guess you can't 843 01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:06,760 really see it, but I can see it. Yeah, that is. 844 01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:12,720 It's ugly. You can't make that a really good painting, but there it 845 01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:17,880 is. Um So, anyway, my website's Martin Willis art dot com and 846 01:16:18,199 --> 01:16:23,720 if you enter the coupon code UFO, you get fifty percent off. That's 847 01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:30,039 my little plug on any painting. Um. But uh, yeah, that 848 01:16:30,039 --> 01:16:33,720 that whole situation has really certainly opened the door. And I just feel I 849 01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:40,760 do feel like, um, even lately, that the ball is rolling in 850 01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:45,079 the direction that um, you know, call it disclosure, call it whatever 851 01:16:45,119 --> 01:16:48,960 you want, but um, I don't think the world's this is not coming 852 01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:56,920 apart because of the possibilities that you know. Yeah, and I've I've had 853 01:16:57,000 --> 01:17:03,159 conversations with a lot of pilots, Air Force pilots and Pentagon pilots and a 854 01:17:03,159 --> 01:17:08,159 lot of people lieutenant colonels, stuff like that, just in the last three 855 01:17:08,279 --> 01:17:18,079 years. And man, if they know. Yeah, I watched recently, 856 01:17:18,079 --> 01:17:23,800 I watched I had to Philip manilanum was it last week of the week before 857 01:17:24,199 --> 01:17:30,079 and and he is in a series called The Alien Autopsy, UM, basically 858 01:17:30,199 --> 01:17:34,199 Secrets Revealed. And it's a series you can buy on Prime Amazon Prime for 859 01:17:34,279 --> 01:17:38,039 like four ninety nine. So I bought it and I watched it. It's 860 01:17:38,079 --> 01:17:43,680 actually really really good and I'd suggest, you know, anyone go over there 861 01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:48,199 and and watch it. And um, but it's kind of you know, 862 01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:54,079 like these things that just seemed to be coming. And by the way, 863 01:17:54,119 --> 01:18:00,560 the alien Autopsy film is a hoax, and Race Antilly is brave and just 864 01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:04,359 saying no it's real. It's really quite amazing to watch him. But but 865 01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:08,720 anyway, I do I did want to give that plug to Phillip because it's 866 01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:13,960 a really good well worth watching. I love the old footage and watching the 867 01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:18,520 old footage of so many like Kehoe and so many of those people that we're 868 01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:21,479 trying to make, you know, a difference back in the day, and 869 01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:27,359 you know, here we are, you know, fifty some odd years sixty 870 01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:31,680 years later, still still talking about it in but I do feel like there 871 01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:35,760 is a forward motion anyway. Yeah, those I mean, so many people 872 01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:40,720 over the years, so since back then have put everything on the line, 873 01:18:41,159 --> 01:18:45,399 you know, their reputations, their careers. I mean, it's stunning when 874 01:18:45,399 --> 01:18:49,399 you look at all the people that have come before these moments. You know, 875 01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:58,760 who really fought for disclosure to the rest of the world. Yeah, 876 01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:01,199 yeah, yeah, you're right. They put everything on the line for that. 877 01:19:02,119 --> 01:19:06,319 And you know, John Mack was a perfect example, absolutely, and 878 01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:11,239 that you know, I know you've looked a lot, You've done some work 879 01:19:11,279 --> 01:19:15,439 with the John mac institute, haven't you or yeah, yeah, yeah, 880 01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:19,560 and um, you know, if he was at a tenured professor, he 881 01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:28,960 would have been out basically likely yeah m hm and yeah. So and they 882 01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:33,000 were threatening to take his tenure away. They were yeah, yeah, that's 883 01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:41,239 amazing and that wouldn't happen today. I don't think, probably not um, 884 01:19:41,279 --> 01:19:46,840 but you know, their intention was to destroy his reputation. That was really 885 01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:53,640 what the goal was. Yeh, through through through what happened, through the 886 01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:58,479 whole sort of which trial thing that their main goal was to discredit him. 887 01:19:59,039 --> 01:20:03,560 Yeah, but he persevered, He got through persevered. I think it did 888 01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:08,960 hit him a little bit. I think it did hurt his reputation, yeah, 889 01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:14,000 a bit, um, but yeah, he did persevere. Yeah, 890 01:20:14,359 --> 01:20:17,319 and I wonder what he would have gone if he didn't have that accident in 891 01:20:17,359 --> 01:20:21,239 London. I wonder, you know what he would have changed in the world, 892 01:20:21,399 --> 01:20:27,520 you know, back then with you know, I mean, he wasn't 893 01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:31,560 that old when that happened, That's true. Yeah, he would have been 894 01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:38,319 consulting with um probably a tip, not a tip, but um, yeah, 895 01:20:38,359 --> 01:20:43,359 I know what you mean. Yeah. The yeah, Lou and those 896 01:20:43,399 --> 01:20:48,960 guys get the name of it to the stars started Academy. Yeah yeah, 897 01:20:49,159 --> 01:20:55,319 so um yeah, just switching gears a little bit. Um. Last July 898 01:20:56,159 --> 01:21:00,640 we talked up. We talked at some point and you maybe it was July. 899 01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:02,960 I'm not sure you were on your roof. I'll let you finish that 900 01:21:03,119 --> 01:21:09,800 story. Wow. Yeah, Yeah, I was on my roof at ten. 901 01:21:10,279 --> 01:21:15,319 I went up there about nine forty at night and I was going up 902 01:21:15,319 --> 01:21:21,560 there to adjust of the security camera was on the roof, and anyway, 903 01:21:25,119 --> 01:21:28,960 I was adjusting it and doing you know, it's very technical. You have 904 01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:31,319 to wear a video screen on your wrists and go through the menus and all 905 01:21:31,319 --> 01:21:35,840 that stuff, so you could really maximize the light at night, you know, 906 01:21:36,199 --> 01:21:45,119 the sensitivity at night. And so I'm up there and this think is 907 01:21:45,279 --> 01:21:48,680 in the sky. I saw it and I was like, oh, probably 908 01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:51,560 an airplane or whatever. And then I looked at it again, I'm like 909 01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:59,279 that it's not an airplane. And it was heading toward me, and it 910 01:21:59,319 --> 01:22:04,640 was this orange like ball, literally super bright, and it had it flickered 911 01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:10,319 at a very high rate of speed, and it was coming toward and down 912 01:22:10,439 --> 01:22:15,920 toward where I was. And I didn't know what it was at all. 913 01:22:15,279 --> 01:22:18,680 I didn't make a judgment. I was running things through my head like is 914 01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:23,880 this a drone? Is this a Chinese lantern? Is this? What is 915 01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:28,000 this? And they'd absolutely no noise at all. And when it got closer 916 01:22:28,039 --> 01:22:34,880 to me, it passed in behind the tree that was in front of me, 917 01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:40,000 which is a very large oak tree. I mean, this thing was 918 01:22:40,039 --> 01:22:48,960 at two hundred feet by that time above the ground and it still was beaming. 919 01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:56,119 This light was just it was blinding, you know, the orange weird. 920 01:22:56,159 --> 01:23:00,439 It was just totally weird. And then when it passed behind the tree, 921 01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:04,319 it had you know, these long these branches come out in the tree 922 01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:13,359 and it blocked out the light of this bright orange light. And this thing 923 01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:17,359 was I could see, you know, it blocked out the orange part when 924 01:23:17,359 --> 01:23:23,600 it went behind the branch, and I could see these platforms on coming out 925 01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:28,359 on each side of the light, and they were really thick, like twelve 926 01:23:28,359 --> 01:23:30,760 feet deck maybe, I mean, they were really thick, and there was 927 01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:40,640 a silver line in the middle, super shiny like chrome and u and it 928 01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:45,079 was black on top, black on the bottom. And that's when I kind 929 01:23:45,079 --> 01:23:46,720 of got like, Okay, I have no idea what this thing is. 930 01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:51,239 And it's pretty damn close to me, and it started to move. I 931 01:23:51,239 --> 01:23:54,840 mean it was it was always moving, and it was moving weirdly. It 932 01:23:54,960 --> 01:24:02,520 like wobbled slightly, and it moved through the tree and I kept looking at 933 01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:05,079 it, and I was thinking of what am I doing. I'm on the 934 01:24:05,159 --> 01:24:11,039 roof right, what is this thing going to do? I have no idea. 935 01:24:11,119 --> 01:24:14,680 And there was no windows on it or anything. What was also interesting 936 01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:21,479 was when that orange light went behind the tree. Those platforms were lit by 937 01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:28,119 a like a really dim white light with no source there was. You couldn't 938 01:24:28,159 --> 01:24:30,800 see a light source or any kind of it was. It was just the 939 01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:34,600 whole thing too, honestly, was exotic. Wow, the whole thing. 940 01:24:35,199 --> 01:24:41,920 And then and it made absolutely no sound. I fly planes. I've seen 941 01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:45,640 all kinds of stuff, and I know what air displacement is. When something's 942 01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:47,439 moving through the air, you can hear it, you know, it creates 943 01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:55,039 the displacement in the air. There was nothing, nothing, And then it 944 01:24:55,079 --> 01:24:58,239 came out the tree. I caught a glimpse of it again, you know, 945 01:24:59,359 --> 01:25:04,199 because the orange light had moved around somewhere and I don't even know if 946 01:25:04,199 --> 01:25:06,399 it was a light, I don't know what it was. But and then 947 01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:13,079 then I saw the sloping dome on the top, just for a frame, 948 01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:16,560 like a frame, and then it went black. And then I'm still thinking, 949 01:25:17,439 --> 01:25:21,640 what is this thing? And I was Then it went through some kind 950 01:25:21,680 --> 01:25:27,880 of transformation which I don't understand. It was like jumbling around, and then 951 01:25:29,399 --> 01:25:35,520 the orange light came back on, but it was much bigger, and and 952 01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:43,880 then I watched this thing go from this orange ball and depart over the horizon 953 01:25:44,159 --> 01:25:46,800 in a second. I mean, it was jaw dropping. That's when I 954 01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:50,720 knew this was not a drone, It wasn't a Chinese lantern, it wasn't 955 01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:56,439 any of this stuff was It was jaw dropping. I stood up on my 956 01:25:56,520 --> 01:26:01,000 roof for twenty minutes, just like and I felt like a neder fall witnessing 957 01:26:01,039 --> 01:26:04,880 something from the tent. And I'm not even saying I don't even know who 958 01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:10,520 was flying that thing, but we should all be concerned that these things are 959 01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:14,800 out there. I don't know, I don't care who's flying them, but 960 01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:18,000 they're there, and it's you know, I've been very quiet about it, 961 01:26:18,399 --> 01:26:20,560 you know, because of the film. I didn't want to say anything, 962 01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:26,920 but it really really disturbed me, you know, for for a long time. 963 01:26:27,039 --> 01:26:30,279 And then forty five days later, my brother died, you know, 964 01:26:30,079 --> 01:26:33,159 But I mean it was a hell of a year last year, but that 965 01:26:33,239 --> 01:26:36,760 was a big one. I wrote about it every single day after that. 966 01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:45,199 That happens with and I mean, there's so many little details because when you're 967 01:26:45,399 --> 01:26:50,319 when you see something unknown, something that could potentially pose a danger to you, 968 01:26:50,319 --> 01:26:56,359 you start filming at a very high rate of speed. You just like 969 01:26:56,439 --> 01:27:00,119 in a car accident, you know, like that kind of thing. You 970 01:27:00,159 --> 01:27:02,600 know, everything seemed slow motion. But the reason why is because you're filming 971 01:27:02,720 --> 01:27:08,199 so fast. In your eyes, you're taking you know, a higher rate 972 01:27:08,239 --> 01:27:15,520 of pictures. And anyway, so the whole incident was just yeah, humbling 973 01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:21,479 and why, I have no idea. I live in a seven hundred acre 974 01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:28,960 forest, so there wasn't many people around, though there were other witnesses. 975 01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:34,880 There were there were other witnesses from South Deerfield. I try to get a 976 01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:40,479 hold of this guy and it's the same thing, and oh, I gotta 977 01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:45,359 tell you this. So after this incident, I called one of the I 978 01:27:45,359 --> 01:27:49,119 won't mention the name UFO Reporting agency. I was going to ask you about 979 01:27:49,119 --> 01:27:55,960 that, okay, yeah, And they didn't send somebody out and I filed 980 01:27:55,960 --> 01:28:00,760 it and they he never came out or anything, and he just wrote it 981 01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:05,760 off as a Chinese lantern and I got I was upset. I was like, 982 01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:11,560 are you kidding me? Wow? And so I called the head of 983 01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:15,199 that organization. I said, look, man, this whoever is working out 984 01:28:15,239 --> 01:28:19,159 here, I just it's that he's not doing a good job of this. 985 01:28:19,359 --> 01:28:23,680 So I ended up getting connected. I said, you know what, I'm 986 01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:31,039 going to go to another agency, a scientific based agency, and I did 987 01:28:31,079 --> 01:28:35,439 and they've and I'm working with them still because I gathered an awful lot of 988 01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:41,159 data during that time. So and then I went to the police department. 989 01:28:41,319 --> 01:28:46,760 I reported it to two police departments and pretty much got told that I, 990 01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:51,960 oh, you probably saw a meteorite or you know, I filed reports, 991 01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:57,399 but um well, I just got a real taste of what people go through 992 01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:02,319 when you report. And thank god, these science based guys, they sent 993 01:29:02,359 --> 01:29:08,319 a guy out here. We walked through the whole thing and showed them what 994 01:29:08,399 --> 01:29:13,479 I had. And you know, and I'm not going to ask you to 995 01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:17,039 show this, but did you take footage? Yes? You do have it? 996 01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:24,199 M that that is really interesting. Yes, some yeah, that's that 997 01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:28,199 right now. I'm getting that to these people so they can really analyze it. 998 01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:31,760 I mean, I need to analyze it further, but to have it 999 01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:36,039 on tape and also have visually sought myself. You know, the cameras. 1000 01:29:36,119 --> 01:29:43,399 Unfortunately, cameras are wide angle, so it's twice as far away as I 1001 01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:47,039 was. But what matters to me when I look at it is the behavior, 1002 01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:55,680 what it does. Yeah, and the audio there's zero sound, zero. 1003 01:29:56,800 --> 01:30:00,600 And that thing was big. It had been at least seventy feet at 1004 01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:09,600 least seventy feet long, and definitely probably ten or twelve feet high. Wow. 1005 01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:12,720 I mean, every everything about the thing was weird. Everything about the 1006 01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:17,720 thing was exotic and strange. And I don't know where it was from or 1007 01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:25,039 anything, but yeah, wow, Yeah, that is a really great story. 1008 01:30:25,039 --> 01:30:28,960 And I do appreciate the fact because I know you're a little hesitant to 1009 01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:32,239 talk about it, but I really do appreciate the fact that you you did 1010 01:30:32,399 --> 01:30:38,119 decide to talk about it. But we are now taking calls. I see 1011 01:30:38,159 --> 01:30:43,520 we have one person on another trying to get in um and uh so we 1012 01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:50,359 have Chris calling from Alabama. Chris, welcome to the show. Hi, 1013 01:30:50,479 --> 01:30:55,000 Chris. Oh, it's my fault, my fault. Here we go, 1014 01:30:55,239 --> 01:31:00,880 Here we go, Chris Welcome to the show. Blow. Hey there, 1015 01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:05,039 Hello, how are you. I'm great? How are you good? Good? 1016 01:31:05,079 --> 01:31:10,680 You have a question for our guest tonight. Yes, I was just 1017 01:31:10,720 --> 01:31:14,800 listening to the last bit there where you had a video of your um, 1018 01:31:15,319 --> 01:31:19,279 your encounter. I was wondering if you could possibly post that online for others 1019 01:31:19,359 --> 01:31:25,399 to see, or if if that was a sensitive to you. I want 1020 01:31:25,399 --> 01:31:30,279 to have an analyzed first, Like you know, it's gonna eventually end up 1021 01:31:30,319 --> 01:31:32,199 out there, but I just want the science guys to look at it really 1022 01:31:32,199 --> 01:31:40,119 carefully first. But it'll it'll be out eventually. And there's a there's a 1023 01:31:40,159 --> 01:31:44,840 couple others that I have also, so for some reason, this area that 1024 01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:48,560 I live in is some kind of pathway for some pretty strange vehicles in my 1025 01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:57,079 opinion. Yeah, how about that? Anything else, Christopher? Nope, 1026 01:31:57,079 --> 01:32:00,239 that's all. Thank you very much. Thanks out there eventually. Thank you. 1027 01:32:00,920 --> 01:32:09,439 Yeah, I appreciate the call. We also have a Rob rob is 1028 01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:14,960 calling from Pennsylvania. Welcome to the show. Rob. Hello, Hi there, 1029 01:32:15,039 --> 01:32:17,760 Hi, Rob Hi, Hey, thanks for having the show. Thanks 1030 01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:24,359 Randall for being on. My question was I don't know you mentioned something about 1031 01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:33,159 some original video interviews that were done that were done by John Mack and you 1032 01:32:33,279 --> 01:32:39,760 mentioned something like five or six hours something like that some time ago. I 1033 01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:43,079 had looked online to trying to find them because I was really interested in seeing 1034 01:32:43,239 --> 01:32:46,800 all of the all of the video. Is there a way for others to 1035 01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:54,039 view these videos? Not yet, that's gonna. I know some were out 1036 01:32:54,079 --> 01:33:00,840 there, and I think the the MAC Foundation took them down down for right 1037 01:33:00,920 --> 01:33:04,600 now because I think they want to. I'm not sure actually how they want 1038 01:33:04,640 --> 01:33:11,359 to release them or show them. UM. That's a good question, because 1039 01:33:11,399 --> 01:33:15,960 I think it's important, and I think it's important that all a lot of 1040 01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:21,680 these interviews that didn't make the film. Uh, it's important that I think 1041 01:33:21,680 --> 01:33:26,680 that that they will be seen, that they can be seen by the public. 1042 01:33:27,079 --> 01:33:30,439 UM. I very much agree with you, and hope you're able to 1043 01:33:30,479 --> 01:33:33,680 do that. UM. I think for this particular event, I suppose any 1044 01:33:33,720 --> 01:33:39,439 event. UM, it doesn't seem to I can never seem to get enough 1045 01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:44,159 information about it. I mean I kind of kind of get the understanding what 1046 01:33:44,239 --> 01:33:49,720 happened from from interviews that you've done and and the others like Palma, um, 1047 01:33:50,319 --> 01:33:54,079 and uh, but I just I would like to like to see more 1048 01:33:54,119 --> 01:34:00,520 if I could, so sure and thanks Martin. Bye bye. Yeah, 1049 01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:02,640 hey, thank you, thanks for the call. Right. I think after 1050 01:34:02,680 --> 01:34:09,920 the film is out, I can do a real, a real bullet point 1051 01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:15,000 progression of how everything happened and a lot of missing information that I can't speak 1052 01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:19,600 about yet. Yeah, well we all can't wait. I mean that that's 1053 01:34:19,640 --> 01:34:25,720 exciting to know there's more more coming. So the lines open. The number 1054 01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:30,600 is eight five five four seven two five four eighty three. We have Andy 1055 01:34:30,720 --> 01:34:34,119 calling from Connecticut. Repeat call are always with great questions. Andy, Welcome 1056 01:34:34,159 --> 01:34:40,640 to the show. Hi guys, thanks. My question for Randall is I'd 1057 01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:45,039 love to hear his thoughts on, you know, with regard to the alien 1058 01:34:45,119 --> 01:34:55,039 message in the arial school incident of environmental problems or disasters. Does he think 1059 01:34:55,039 --> 01:35:00,920 that there's any chance that that's strictly the aliens capitalizing on the the you know, 1060 01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:04,840 hot button issues of the day to send a message to us that we 1061 01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:09,840 should be concerned and that, you know, knowing that they may be able 1062 01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:13,840 to control or read our thoughts. What are his thoughts on the fact that 1063 01:35:14,720 --> 01:35:21,520 this may not be sincere it's just a you know, a cover and I'll 1064 01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:26,119 take your answer off the air. Let other people call in. Thanks, 1065 01:35:26,119 --> 01:35:30,239 guys, good news, thank you, thank you. I think, um, 1066 01:35:30,760 --> 01:35:38,000 well, in Africa at that time and that year, global warming like 1067 01:35:38,319 --> 01:35:43,920 wasn't a huge topic at that time, um right, you know, it 1068 01:35:43,960 --> 01:35:47,560 wasn't a mainstream thing at all back then. Um it was definitely being talked 1069 01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:56,119 about. But um all I can say about that is, I think there 1070 01:35:56,159 --> 01:36:02,319 are the messages that those kids got were correct, and we're finding that out 1071 01:36:02,319 --> 01:36:08,840 every day, you know, every single year for the past fifteen years or 1072 01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:12,720 so. I believe I'll have to make sure these numbers are correct. But 1073 01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:17,439 every successive year, like this year is warmer than last year. The planet's 1074 01:36:17,479 --> 01:36:24,479 getting hotter, and amongst so many other things that happened when the climate changes, 1075 01:36:25,439 --> 01:36:29,960 the ice melts and animals start to migrate to the areas they never went 1076 01:36:30,479 --> 01:36:34,560 were in before, which creates an awful lot of chaos, particularly in Africa 1077 01:36:36,039 --> 01:36:46,560 anyway. So that's I just I don't think there was anything conspiratorial about what 1078 01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:57,039 happened there. No. Well, I you know, one of the things 1079 01:36:57,079 --> 01:37:01,920 that you never really here discussed, but the fine particulates that are in pollution 1080 01:37:03,239 --> 01:37:08,359 in one way or another kill several hundred thousand people a year, you know, 1081 01:37:08,439 --> 01:37:11,560 I mean it's just you know that that alone, never minding what it's 1082 01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:17,119 doing to the planet. It's really something else. We have a longtime listener, 1083 01:37:17,560 --> 01:37:23,800 a longtime listener from Columbia, Garrett. Welcome to the show. Garrett. 1084 01:37:23,800 --> 01:37:25,960 I saw you a question in chat. I was going to ask it, 1085 01:37:26,039 --> 01:37:30,399 but welcome to the show. I'm glad to have you on. Oh, 1086 01:37:30,439 --> 01:37:36,560 thanks so much. I guess I got impatient. No, I'm glad 1087 01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:42,279 you called in and a longtime listener. You're in Colombia, and you said 1088 01:37:42,319 --> 01:37:45,600 some nice things so that you'd love to listen to the show and really get 1089 01:37:45,640 --> 01:37:48,439 you get you by down there, and I always appreciate hearing from you. 1090 01:37:51,800 --> 01:37:56,199 Thanks so much. Yeah, kind of what we were talking, what you 1091 01:37:56,199 --> 01:38:00,600 guys were talking about before. You know, we are all start for content 1092 01:38:00,720 --> 01:38:05,840 right now, and me especially I'm in a foreign nation and my girlfriend really 1093 01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:13,680 also appreciates this topic. So my question, what for Randall, was will 1094 01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:20,039 there be UM subtitle options or uh, you know, dubbing something sheet She 1095 01:38:20,319 --> 01:38:26,199 only speaks standing. Okay, Yes, there will be. Yeah, for 1096 01:38:26,319 --> 01:38:32,319 sure, we're pretty much all set up for that. UM. So that'll 1097 01:38:32,359 --> 01:38:38,439 happen in the next couple of months. Yeah, because it's gonna be worldwide 1098 01:38:38,520 --> 01:38:41,840 and we're gonna have to I don't know how many languages we're gonna have to 1099 01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:46,800 do this in, but quite a few. Yeah, anything else? Carett? 1100 01:38:47,199 --> 01:38:51,800 Okay? Yes? Or one more? Will you be bonus features? 1101 01:38:51,880 --> 01:38:58,000 Kind of like there's these extra extra interviews that you had. Thanks so much 1102 01:38:58,079 --> 01:39:00,960 up to air. Have a great time, guys. Hey, thanks right, 1103 01:39:00,079 --> 01:39:05,039 thanks for the call. Yeah, there will be, um, you 1104 01:39:05,079 --> 01:39:09,079 know, there will be extras. I'm not sure how I'm gonna do that. 1105 01:39:09,680 --> 01:39:15,880 Um, but once the film is out off off my hands, then 1106 01:39:15,920 --> 01:39:23,640 I'm going to focus on the extras and DVD extras and you know, a 1107 01:39:23,680 --> 01:39:29,680 lot a lot of really interesting interviews and scenes that did make a movie. 1108 01:39:30,720 --> 01:39:34,760 Oh that's great. Yeah, that's exciting to know. We have Nellie from 1109 01:39:34,840 --> 01:39:40,359 Los Angeles. Nellie, welcome to the show. Thank you, hey, 1110 01:39:41,000 --> 01:39:45,600 Martin and Randall, thank you for taking these calls. My question for Randall 1111 01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:56,079 is has any of the witnesses ever experienced an unusual scent where snell after an 1112 01:39:56,159 --> 01:40:01,600 encounter. Um. I remember reading some sisters in Brazil who had an encounter 1113 01:40:01,680 --> 01:40:10,119 and they talked about the Haatred Air when near the craft and the creature they 1114 01:40:10,159 --> 01:40:13,439 had seen, And I wonder if there had them anything similar to the aerial 1115 01:40:13,560 --> 01:40:19,880 school witnesses. No, uh, I have not heard anyone talk about smell. 1116 01:40:21,439 --> 01:40:30,319 Um because primarily they were in this very large field. It was primarily 1117 01:40:30,479 --> 01:40:42,159 visual and auditory things that they experienced. Um. John Mack actually asked a 1118 01:40:42,199 --> 01:40:45,520 lot of the kids that question. I mean a lot of people that interviewed 1119 01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:50,520 the kids before him. You know, two other people had asked them, 1120 01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:55,399 didn't ask those questions like did you what did you hear? What did you 1121 01:40:55,439 --> 01:40:59,680 smell? Was you know what did you see? All those detailed questions. 1122 01:41:00,600 --> 01:41:04,760 Um. But right at the moment, I can't. I don't think there 1123 01:41:04,880 --> 01:41:10,880 was anybody that mentioned the smell. But I do know what you're talking about. 1124 01:41:12,840 --> 01:41:15,760 Yeah. Um. I always just wondered if like the craft or anything 1125 01:41:15,760 --> 01:41:21,960 would leave some kind of I mean anything sound, whether the creatures or whatever 1126 01:41:23,399 --> 01:41:29,239 substances are used to propel such a machinery. And um, and you had 1127 01:41:29,680 --> 01:41:32,640 talked about sound and that there had been like a high pitched whistling sound. 1128 01:41:32,680 --> 01:41:38,399 Had there been any other um mentions of like any like low frequencies or any 1129 01:41:38,439 --> 01:41:45,000 other weird kind of sound frequencies? YEA other than the whistle. Yes, 1130 01:41:46,119 --> 01:41:51,760 okay, if you hear the whistle, you're in trouble. Yeah, okay, 1131 01:41:53,359 --> 01:41:56,600 whistle, blue light, You're not gonna have a good day tomorrow. 1132 01:41:58,079 --> 01:42:02,399 But from what I know, understand, all right, that's it out, 1133 01:42:02,640 --> 01:42:08,439 Nelly. Thank you for listen and look forward to the film. Thank you. 1134 01:42:08,520 --> 01:42:11,760 I appreciate it. Thank you for the call. Next, looks like 1135 01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:18,640 we have a smooth smith calling from Connecticut. Welcome to the show. Hello, 1136 01:42:19,119 --> 01:42:24,319 Hi there, Hello, Yeah, can you hear me? Yeah, 1137 01:42:24,359 --> 01:42:28,520 we hear you. Fine. You have a question for our guests. I'm 1138 01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:36,560 just wondering, you know, after all the different things that he's investigated. 1139 01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:45,159 I've been watching since Leonard Nimoy in the early seventies, but do you think 1140 01:42:45,279 --> 01:42:53,880 the overall thing is what's going on? I mean, are we building up 1141 01:42:53,880 --> 01:42:58,800 to something big that's going to happen or or you know, what's your take 1142 01:42:58,840 --> 01:43:08,239 on the overall thin of all things that are happening right now. That's a 1143 01:43:08,279 --> 01:43:13,159 great question. I really appreciate that question. Um, I've watched every I've 1144 01:43:13,159 --> 01:43:18,960 watched Martin Willis over and over and over and every other James Dolan. So 1145 01:43:19,159 --> 01:43:25,279 what's the overall picture of what could be happening and what can we expect? 1146 01:43:27,960 --> 01:43:33,520 Well, I feel like they these it's another species, life form, kingdom 1147 01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:40,000 of creatures that have been around for God only knows long how long, and 1148 01:43:40,960 --> 01:43:46,079 right, there's a huge gap between where humanity is and where they are, 1149 01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:56,800 just from God only knows how many millions or years of evolution. So that's 1150 01:43:56,800 --> 01:44:03,119 a big I mean, I kind of see that that's maybe trying to close 1151 01:44:03,239 --> 01:44:08,760 up, you know, bridging that gap. That's going to take hundreds and 1152 01:44:08,840 --> 01:44:14,439 hundreds of years if that's the case, and that I feel like over slowly, 1153 01:44:14,479 --> 01:44:17,800 over time, and they have acclimatized themselves to us, much like you 1154 01:44:17,880 --> 01:44:23,520 do with a wild animal, you know, and taming a wild animal, 1155 01:44:23,520 --> 01:44:26,479 it takes a lot of time, and you got to show up, and 1156 01:44:26,520 --> 01:44:29,520 you got to be quiet, and you gotta standstill, and you got to 1157 01:44:29,560 --> 01:44:33,680 wear the same clothes every day every time you encounter it, and you know, 1158 01:44:33,800 --> 01:44:39,960 they slowly get used to you, but it takes a long time before 1159 01:44:39,960 --> 01:44:44,600 they take food, and you know, and there are some animals on this 1160 01:44:44,680 --> 01:44:49,199 planet that can't be tamed, so that a whole other thing is that, 1161 01:44:49,560 --> 01:44:55,600 you know, we never think of ourselves as like the creatures or animals that 1162 01:44:55,640 --> 01:45:01,520 we are, you know, right, and and yeah, I just feel 1163 01:45:01,560 --> 01:45:12,239 like, you know, we're also breaching space, you know, and we 1164 01:45:12,319 --> 01:45:17,600 have since all this really started, and that that this could be possibly their 1165 01:45:17,640 --> 01:45:23,800 neighborhood. And they're concerned of us, about us getting off our planet. 1166 01:45:25,960 --> 01:45:29,399 And that makes a lot of sense because I would be concerned as well. 1167 01:45:30,399 --> 01:45:33,520 So I don't know how the bridge is going to be the gap is going 1168 01:45:33,560 --> 01:45:45,279 to be bridged, but I feel like they are acclimatizing themselves to us slowly, 1169 01:45:45,399 --> 01:45:48,039 slowly, could very well be. Hey, Smith, we got a 1170 01:45:48,079 --> 01:45:54,479 bunch of calls waiting, so thanks for the call. All right, next 1171 01:45:54,560 --> 01:45:58,279 we have we We're not gonna be able to take any more calls after we 1172 01:45:58,319 --> 01:46:01,359 have three lined up. Hello Steve from California, Welcome to the show. 1173 01:46:02,840 --> 01:46:09,720 Hi Martin. I'll make this quick. Um. We know to U history 1174 01:46:10,319 --> 01:46:14,960 that that some cases stand out, and this incident I think stands out as 1175 01:46:15,000 --> 01:46:20,560 one of the most important contact incidents. I know people are very interested in 1176 01:46:20,560 --> 01:46:26,640 this case. I have a room and Facebook called to Be Told, and 1177 01:46:26,760 --> 01:46:31,279 the past years I would post articles regarding this case and people are just so 1178 01:46:31,439 --> 01:46:38,119 interested in this case. I get so many people that comment on this so 1179 01:46:38,359 --> 01:46:44,399 um so at least to my question, Presson Dennis has wrote a book about 1180 01:46:44,439 --> 01:46:46,560 this, and we know that this has happened in many schools. Will you 1181 01:46:46,680 --> 01:46:53,920 mentioned My question is why do you think these visitors have chose children? And 1182 01:46:54,079 --> 01:46:57,840 second question, I've been collecting up of footage for twenty five years. I 1183 01:46:57,920 --> 01:47:01,960 have to commend us some footage. Will you be having footage in your film 1184 01:47:02,119 --> 01:47:06,720 or what do you think of some of the footage that being out today? 1185 01:47:06,720 --> 01:47:17,520 Thank you, hi, thanks for the question. Um m m uh, 1186 01:47:19,520 --> 01:47:24,600 Yeah, there's not in the film. We don't use any UFO footage. 1187 01:47:24,880 --> 01:47:30,600 Um because we just, you know, the whole idea of special effects or 1188 01:47:30,600 --> 01:47:33,920 anything was kind of took away from what this film is really about, which 1189 01:47:33,960 --> 01:47:39,000 is about people. It's about this event. We didn't want to do any 1190 01:47:39,079 --> 01:47:44,840 sci fi kind of you know anything there. There is actually actually there is 1191 01:47:44,840 --> 01:47:53,199 one genuine uh the UFO or whatever UAP that was caught on a night vision 1192 01:47:53,239 --> 01:47:59,880 camera that is in the film. Um. But what was his first question? 1193 01:48:00,479 --> 01:48:05,640 I forget it. Yeah, I thought it was about footage, but 1194 01:48:05,840 --> 01:48:12,079 you know, maybe maybe there was maybe maybe it's time to take another call. 1195 01:48:12,880 --> 01:48:16,560 Okay, all right, we have Rob from Florida. Rob, Welcome 1196 01:48:16,600 --> 01:48:19,119 to the show. We only have a couple of minutes left here and we 1197 01:48:19,159 --> 01:48:24,720 have another call waiting. So how are you. Oh fine, mister Willis. 1198 01:48:24,960 --> 01:48:28,640 I'm a new subscriber to your channel and thank you so much for sending 1199 01:48:28,680 --> 01:48:31,920 those shows to me. Good evening, mister Nickerson. This is one of 1200 01:48:31,960 --> 01:48:38,479 the most astonishing cases I've ever read, and it is and it's very high 1201 01:48:38,560 --> 01:48:43,640 quality. My question to you is or has any recent readings been done on 1202 01:48:43,680 --> 01:48:49,319 the actual site as far as radio activity. No, and the readings that 1203 01:48:49,359 --> 01:48:57,840 were done at the time we're done with basically homemade instruments. They did actually 1204 01:48:57,880 --> 01:49:04,760 soil samples. They actually did a good job. They used electromagnetic field detector 1205 01:49:04,840 --> 01:49:11,800 that one of the investigators was an electronics whiz and he built that, and 1206 01:49:11,840 --> 01:49:15,640 he built a Geiger counter, but it wasn't sense supersensitive. So I'd be 1207 01:49:15,680 --> 01:49:20,359 interested to see if there was anything on that site. I just didn't go 1208 01:49:20,399 --> 01:49:26,880 in that direction. I mean I would now if I went back, because 1209 01:49:26,920 --> 01:49:31,800 I do have a Geiger counter now. But yeah, I h there was 1210 01:49:31,840 --> 01:49:34,920 a lot of work done on the site, but there was nothing that was 1211 01:49:35,319 --> 01:49:42,560 came back as any red flag you know, it's very interesting. Well listen, 1212 01:49:42,600 --> 01:49:45,359 best of luck on your on your film there. Thank you, Thank 1213 01:49:45,359 --> 01:49:49,039 you, sir, I appreciate that. All right, excellent. Well, 1214 01:49:49,079 --> 01:49:53,439 our last caller just dropped off, which is just as well because we only 1215 01:49:53,479 --> 01:49:58,760 have we only have a couple of minutes left here, so random, Why 1216 01:49:58,760 --> 01:50:03,640 don't you throw out all the information that you can, as far as you 1217 01:50:03,640 --> 01:50:10,479 know, people being able to watch the film and all that, as far 1218 01:50:10,520 --> 01:50:15,279 as websites and yeah, all that and yeah, you can watch the trailer 1219 01:50:15,359 --> 01:50:20,359 at Aerial phenomenon dot com. We are just finishing our new website which is 1220 01:50:20,399 --> 01:50:29,840 really cool. We uh have upgraded that and also, um, you can 1221 01:50:29,880 --> 01:50:33,319 reach us on Facebook. Uh it's uh if you go to Facebook and put 1222 01:50:33,319 --> 01:50:39,119 in Aerial School film or aero School documentary, it'll come up and there's a 1223 01:50:39,119 --> 01:50:43,800 lot of activity on there. We have a Twitter, we have all the 1224 01:50:45,039 --> 01:50:50,520 all the services. You know, we're everywhere. Yeah, okay, can 1225 01:50:50,560 --> 01:50:55,239 I say something we have you know, I just want to put a shout 1226 01:50:55,279 --> 01:51:00,840 out to Nikki in Africa, who is such a big help, and Rebecca 1227 01:51:00,119 --> 01:51:06,319 and Anne and Chris and Rick and so many other people that have just been 1228 01:51:06,720 --> 01:51:12,319 I mean, I'm the head guy, whatever. But the work they've done 1229 01:51:12,880 --> 01:51:16,199 has just been amazing, and I was so lucky to have a good, 1230 01:51:16,840 --> 01:51:20,000 really great team. You know. Actually, I just want to put that 1231 01:51:20,079 --> 01:51:25,119 thank you out to so many people and people who have given money and all 1232 01:51:25,159 --> 01:51:28,720 that. It's just it's super important and I just want to make that thank 1233 01:51:28,760 --> 01:51:30,560 you. All right. Well, we're totally out of time, Randall, 1234 01:51:30,680 --> 01:51:34,119 so thank you so much. All right, Thanks Martin, I really appreciate 1235 01:51:34,159 --> 01:51:38,680 it. You bet have a good one. Yeah. Well oop, so 1236 01:51:38,720 --> 01:51:41,000 I just cut them off, all right, everyone, So we'll be back 1237 01:51:41,720 --> 01:51:46,239 next week with Dave Halpern, and thanks so much everyone, and have a 1238 01:51:46,239 --> 01:51:59,720 good, safe week, and remember to keep your eyes to the sky.