Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis your host, and
we have an exciting show tonight. We have Randall Nickerson, but we have
a special guest coming up. We recorded with him earlier today and I want
to thank thanks to Joe Call for that. We have Francis Cheramuda and he
is one of the witnesses to the event itself, so that is pretty exciting
and he'll be coming up. We're going to play the clip that we recorded.
It's the middle of the night where he isn't Madagascar, so we recorded
with him earlier, just a couple of short clips, but it's still great
to have him on and what a great guy he is, so you can
look forward to that. And also I want to thank everyone that supports the
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there, so check that out on that website. And what I'm going to
do here is I'm going to start out and I'm going to play the trailer
to the film that is coming up, and Randall Nickerson spent many many years
making I think it's seven or nine years, seven to nine years something like
that. I know I've known Randall for quite a while, well of many
years since back in two thousand and six, I believe, I mean,
I'm sorry two thousand, I can't twelve that is anyway. He is super
fussy with his work and you should look at his wildlife photography. Those links
are in the show notes. Um, it's just amazing. He does a
wonderful job at whatever he does. So we're all just waiting for this film
and for right now, I'm going to play the trailer. So here it
goes. Hundreds of people today Phone does that b seat saying they cited an
unidentifying flying ohobject with a bright lady in line. I've never seen anything like
it in my life, noise. I didn't like people from all over Zimbab.
We were pining the BBC to say we've seen something weird. There were
three of us that sort of it's myself, the pilot and the pilot in
another aircraft. No Wins Arial School nineteenth September ninety four. Don't know what
you saw, or riding the silver thing in amongst this clump of trees,
we saw the black figure running. His face was like this and his eyes
were down here. I just thought it was some kind of dailia, probably
different. He looked at those children. They were absolutely credible. Whereabouts was
in the trees over there there was a big group of kids pointing and making
a noise and shouting and screaming. The panic spread. Am I safe or
am I not safe? And he's a Harvard zat guidress meeting doctor John mac
we came away convinced an extraordinary event occurred here. I think they want people
to know that we're actually making harm on Well, how did that get communicated
to you? It came to my head somehow. There was a message about
pollution from the way he was staring. I was just a hard asked journalist.
I could handle wall zones, but I could not handle this uf anything.
I mean, I never felt this derail my career. Angels, yes,
extraterrestrials. No John has lost at this time. This journey is literally
to pick up the pieces and put them back together. Oh my gosh.
I was right on the logs when it actually happened, something that I'll never
ever forget. I've drawn this again, but so I usually kept the quality.
You're crazy. You feel so low in society. Why is it we
tend to want to shrink this powerful phenomenon to our notions of reality, rather
than being able to stretch ourselves to expand what we know and to admit that
we don't know? Would you like to see him again? And if you
saw him again, what would you do? I'll ask him some Christians?
Would you like to ask him? I'll ask him what has he done on
oath? And what does he want christ Us? Wow, Randall that that.
Every time I see that trailer, it's just so moving, It's it's
really really something. I just end the same experience. I hadn't seen it
for a while. Yeah, and you know you you were right there um
with all those uh children you know later on uh filming them and what an
amazing thing. And we're going to talk tonight, um a bit about some
of them. How many interviews do you think you've you've done with this?
And it's not just the children. Um, Well, there was a certain
amount of people that would not want to go on camera. Um, But
I interviewed a good forty three, I believe, um, and I just
had somebody contact me two weeks ago. Who I've been. I've been trying
to get in touch with him for years, and it's just I'm so happy
because he was a primary witness and uh, um, it's just going to
be great to to uh to interview him and and UH find his if I
find out what the details of his story were. Um now is he?
Um? But it's too late that the films in the bag, so to
speak, right, films in the films in the can. Yeah, I
can yeah, films in the can. Yeah. But it's just it's amazing,
and I you know, like with Francis today, you know, I
really feel that that's that's just that I want the kids to come out and
speak, you know what I mean. They're not the kids that they're young
adults now, but uh, you know, they're just wonderful people and from
all different walks of life. And you know, as far as everything I
research and look into and people I talked to and everything else, this thing
this really happened. Um right, So right, you know, I can't
think of a better time. Let's sell Let's just bring in the clip of
we recorded earlier today, UM with Francis and Madagascar and uh, and here
it is. I'm going to bring it on right now. Canan a good
looking guy? You look great. I love your hair man. UM.
It's it's it's kind of difficult now, M talking from a position because now
that I've done a regression, UM, that is the freshest memory of UM,
sort of like the events that I now have because this kind of brought
to light a few details that I otherwise before it did not have, or
details that might have disappeared within the time of the event and obviously us going
through life and growing up, but you know, details, small details like
the lights and how now I have a clear picture of their being. These
spheres and these fears were about my size, you know, the size of
an adult human, right, And these spheres were kind of rotating around the
craft and an anti clockwise motion, and they were glowing bright, bright white.
Yeah, kind of kind of the way I look at it. The
light that a lot of people were seeing were being emitted by these fears a
right, And as we kind of progressed through the story, they kind of
switched behavior in a way and as if they were being repelled by magnet one
at a time. The spheres shot off in different directions right then leaving the
craft itself, which because there was no light now shining on the on the
craft, you could tell it was a silver sort of color of the craft.
And yeah, this is the most vivid and direct memory that I actually
do recall, you know, from the regression and from past memory as well.
Now, did you actually see what other people had seen as far as
like the being? Yes, I did, um by account. They were
actually three beings. Two of them m kind of remained within the line of
sight from the playground to the craft. And another one, which is also
one of my most vivid memories, was one of the beings actually darting from
the craft towards the direction of the swimming pool. The swimming pool which was
probably about two three found to the left of the playground. And the most
peculiar thing was the way in which it moved, because it almost felt as
if it would disappear and appear a few meters ahead of itself, you know,
almost in a blinking fashion, and not in the normal linear fashion that
you would expect someone to be moving, you know. And did you see
it like it looked like it was floating. I've heard other people say like
they never saw it actually touched the ground. That No. In this case,
like I was saying, UM, it would just be the appearing and
disappearing, So UM, I would just warrant to guess and say, yes,
it probably looked like it was floating, but at no point did it
ever look like it was physically running. If I could say that, M,
how about that? Just like to ask you, UM, and I'm
sure this will be in the the movie the Aerial Phenomenon, but how much
has this changed your life? This one thing changed your life? Oh gosh,
UM, you know, there was the longest part of my life when
we're probably silent about it. UM. And I guess within that silence,
UM, this whole sort of experience bruised within within you. And the longer
that happens, I guess there comes a point where you decide whether you're going
to confirm everything you know or you're going to, um not deny it as
such, but find a way to come to terms with it maybe not being
true. Right And UM, to be very honest, this was one of
the biggest reasons why I had to do this for myself, which is why
I actually um sought out a hypnotist. Right. This was never to to
to sort of go out and just blindly confirmed that, yes, what I
believe, I believe, But I was also kind of hoping that it might
not have been true, because either way, the answer that I was going
to get was going to help me in one way or another move forward with
my own life. Right. Yeah, the self doubt was was was was
starting to creep in and I was just ready for um just a hint or
an answer or something along those lines. But it has affected me in a
lot more ways than one. First of all, the way I think i'm
I'm very open minded to a lot of things. I'm very tolerant to people
and their thoughts and their ideas and their viewpoints. Because here I am with
one of the most craziest stories anyone can actually sit here and tell someone,
and so yeah, that kind of makes me believe in people a bit more.
I guess. I don't know if that's a good or bad thing,
but I always give people the benefit of the doubt when it comes to weird
and wicky things. Yeah, I can absolutely understand that. Thank you so
much for your time. I really really appreciate it. And I'm sorry you
couldn't come on the show live, but I understand where it's in the middle
of the night for you over there. So you take care. Oh it's
all good, bless you. All right, good to see you. You
look great, by the way, you look really great. Randomly you look
good too. I have to say nothings and get some sleep. Yeah,
all right, take care, all right, take care, Francis, you
guys all right? Well that was great, wasn't it. Um. Yeah,
I gotta say, you know, this is the third student that I've
talked to out of the sixty five and I knew you talked to you said
forty three or so. Um. They're so authentic. I mean, I
don't know another way to put it. Um. Everything about them is just
so authentic and um. And there's you know, there's there's a lot of
emotion when it comes to you know, Francis, maybe didn't show that a
lot, but there are, you know, a lot of emotions that this
thing has brought up as such an early uh you know, childhood thing.
Has anyone that you're aware of talked about having any like uh, what do
they call it? Pst. Uh what's it called PT Yeah, syndromes,
Oh yeah, yeah sure, and in and what what what way you know,
nightmares nightmares that some with some people that still continue to this day.
Um m hmmm. And uh you you had none of the things, Okay.
I just he pointed out a really a good fact that a lot of
people, you know, not just scenarial, but in um in this phenomenon,
you know, they have an event happened and they keep quiet for a
long long time, and that you know, just holding onto something that big
is uh, challenging, very you know, very trying on a person's life.
And I just thought he put it so well into words, um that
that process of you know, being very silent about it and then finally saying
to yourself, I got to deal with this. Yeah. And I thought
it was interesting how we said, you know, the doubt creeps in because
you know, it's it's interesting. I've been communicating with a someone that had
an amazing UFO sighting. I'm trying to get her on the show for at
least a little while and talk about it. And she said something like along
those lines like, you know, all these years go by and I'm wondering
if I just dreamt the whole thing. But you know, she had conversations
with her parents and relatives that were right there when it all happened, and
but she just says, it feels like almost like a dream at this point
in her life. And I think that happens. I think so it's it's
so out of the ordinary and you don't know where to put it. And
then, you know, at least more so in the past, you're surrounded
by people that don't believe you. Yeah, you know, and you're you're
afraid of you know, getting ridiculed or you know, having a big question
mark on your shirt. You know. Yeah, So i'd like to get
yeah, absolutely, and we'll get right back into that, but I'd like
to get something out of the way, just to get it out of the
way at this point, the first part of the show, because you know,
people are already wondering, Um, this COVID nineteen, How is this
affecting the release of this film? Uh? Um, It's definitely affected it.
Um. But I gotta say, I had my brother died tragically in
September and it was actually the night you were on the show last It was,
Yeah, I remember that Yeah, oh my god. Yeah, it
was right after you get off the show last time you were on and probably
sorry that was a tragedy. Yeah it was. It was. It was
a tragedy, and I um and then you know, as soon as I
got over that, COVID came in and but I did get a lot of
work done. I went out to AFM, the American Film Market, and
um started talking to distributors and that kind of thing. But yeah, it's
it was, it's I think it's you know, because there's no content being
made in Hollywood right now. All all the productions have been shut down,
which actually may be helpful for the film. Actually, yeah, because there's
no all the Netflix and Amazon, they're all starving for content because they're running
through it, like, you know, extremely fast. I think they're out,
um, and that's going to be like, for instance, I all
of a sudden, social distancing was gone tomorrow. It's still going to take
a long time before you know, something can be produced and filmed and edited
and you know, sure, so you know, there's there's still a lag
now I'm sure of things that were backed up, and but that will be
over and then they will be clamoring for everything. Yeah, that's true.
I really wanted this to be a theatrical release, and I don't know if
that's going to happen because of covid um. But well, whether the film
comes out on Netflix or Amazon or which whichever takes it, you know,
I'm still gonna have a theatrical release when I can, you know what I
mean? When when we're through this time period? Yeah? Yeah, historically
has that ever happened before where there'll be a release online and then in theater
after or I mean really okay, yeah, huh, I see all right?
Yeah? Um, So the number one question I still get. I
get I think, I tell you you know, I have your banner up
on my website, and I still get people that will ask me when when
can we see this? So we don't really have any idea exactly when.
Still, at this point, I get all kinds of you know, people
think I'm working for the CIA and withholding the film and no, really,
you know people, not everybody, but you know this. The hold up
on this film has been financial all the way along. I mean, I
would have been done a long time ago if I didn't have to keep going
out to raise money. Um. But we're right now, we're talking to
a whole bunch of different distributors and um, I'm not going to be making
that decision once this. Once I go with the distributor, excuse me,
Um, then they're going to sell it to Netflix, Amazon, who who,
you know, all the that's where they're going to be marketing it too,
and those people are going to have a big decision on when the release
state is. But looking at it now, it's probably going my my preference
right now, it's going to be the end of this year or the very
beginning of January, the very beginning of next year, unless something extraordinary happens,
because I'd like it out today, you know. Um, But you
also have to think about where people are at right now and whether they can
really take this film in you know, with COVID going on, and um,
I don't know, there's a lot of things, a lot everything.
Once that, once uh COVID happened, everything changed that my thinking had to
change. I had to you know, consult and talk with a lot of
other people to see what to do, you know, and see what the
market's going to be and when the right time to release this is. Um.
But yeah, it's it's coming. Yeah, it's just it's just who's
gonna who's gonna who's gonna be the winner? Or so to speak. As
far as picking it up right, well, I can't wait to see it.
And it just actually, when's the last time that you actually sat down
and watched the whole thing all the way through? Three weeks ago? Three
weeks ago? Yeah, And how do you feel when you watch it?
Um? I always feel moved always. Yeah. I mean for the first
first year when we had a final cut twenty eighteen and I cried every single
time for a while. It just really moved me emotionally, and then I
kind of got through that part. But yeah, it's very emotional, it's
very it's full of wisdom. I'm not in the movie, thank god.
I chose not to be in the movie. And I'm glad because it's not
a movie about me, you know what I mean. It's about it's about
these kids and this extraordinary event. Yeah, and and kudos to you because
a lot of I've seen a lot of documentary of filmmakers like to put themselves
right in the middle of the film um names unnamed here, but still make
the film be almost as much a part of them as h as the the
incident, and I'm really glad that you focus just on you know, the
children, uh, where they were at and where they're at now. Yeah,
I had a lot of people say, oh, you should put yourself
in the movie. It's like, no, that that doesn't make sense to
me. Um, But anyway, Yeah, the it's it's their story.
Yeah, that's awesome. And of the forty three, we've got just one
minute here until we're going into break. But of the forty three that you
interviewed, Um, where where did you have to go? You know?
In general? How many places did you have to visit to meet up with
these people? A lot, because they're all over the place. But I
mean even in Africa. I had to go to uh, you know,
Zimbabwe's all over South Africa. I literally covered the entire country of South Africa,
which is rather large. It's a little bigger than the size of Texas.
And yeah, that was a that was a really challenging trip. To
put it mildly, Yea, it was. I had some moments, but
yeah, all over the place, and then England, um, and then
Canada, across the United States, there were several, um, several in
Canada. So it did three trips to Africa and then England. In Europe,
UM people in Germany, UM anyway, plenty of places, amazing,
a lot of travel. All right, so hanging, everyone will be right
back right after these messages. All right, everyone, welcome back. My
guest tonight is Randall Nickerson and pretty excited about the show. And we'll be
taking calls in the last half hour of the show tonight and I'll put that
number up on the screen. And also we do have a bill helping out
behind the scenes and he is going to be screening the calls. So here
we are back Randall. And as far as up as far as these people
that you interviewed, how willing was most people to actually get involved in this,
I would say half half. Yeah, I would say fifty percent we're
willing, and the other fifty percent were didn't want to go on camera or
or you know, they every single one of them had the story, but
it became I think it really came down to fear of ridicule and you know,
fear how of how it would affect their careers and things like that.
Has anyone ever given you an example of how it's affected them in that way
in a negative way, with ridicule. Oh yeah, I mean even the
kids when they were younger, you know that everybody around the area had known
it, and kids from other schools were calling them names and joking about,
oh these are those are the kids that saw the aliens? You know,
so they got picked on right away. And not all of them, but
a lot of them. Yeah, yeah, And are there is there a
percentage of people that just absolutely do not want to ever talk about it or
think about it as far as you know, Well, yeah, I know
several. I mean those are some of the most traumatized people of the kids.
Um, I get it. I mean I get it. Like why
you know we duty Yeah, let's talk about the person that just came forward,
Um, and obviously didn't make the film. How did all that come
about? I've been contacting him for years, eight years anyway, and never
got a response, never got a response. And then I got an email.
Um, sorry, I actually Facebook. Um, and uh we started
he said I want to talk now, and I m so We've been starting
an email conversation that's going to be probably very long. Um. He was
interviewed by on Mac and several other people as well. Just a really good
witness. You know, you've got a good look at them. Wow.
Now, well, will you do what you can to make sure that when
the film is released that everyone that was a witness that you can reach will
be aware of it coming out, you know, the people that did not
want to participate, Yes, And and I hope they come forward, and
I think they will, to be honest, I think the aftermath of the
film is going to be an awful lot of these people and coming forward.
I was wondering that myself, and almost makes you wonder if there could be
some type of little recap after you know, with with some of the people
that are will feel more comfortable talking about it. Yeah, I would like
to do that actually, if that, I want to see what happens after
the film and see who comes forward. Um, and I have a million
other interviews that aren't in the film, so but I would really be interested.
There were several people that, Um, it really kills you when you
you do a good you know, you you you talk to somebody and you're
just thinking, oh my god, I have to get this on tape,
and then that person doesn't want to do that, and and their story is
brilliant and detailed, and you know, it's just it happened. It happened
a lot during this filming. I'm sure it did. When when time goes
by, you know a lot of people can get like a distorted memory of
something. Did you see some of that and we're people aware of that happening.
I didn't see it, um, I at all. Actually I only
saw it in kids that were There were a couple of kids that weren't part
didn't see it at all or anything. But I wanted to be part of
the story, you know, because they're kids and they were on the other
playground or something and they didn't see that the entire event happened. So,
um, I see it. I saw that in a few cases, but
in general, I mean, these kids were interviewed in right, you know,
two days three days after it happened, and then a week later,
and then two weeks later, and then six months later, then three years
later, and then then I I think I was the next one to interview
them, But I think I missed one news outlet that interviewed them. But
I mean, they're the stories have been consistent since since the beginning, which
is that's astounding to me. It really is considering you know, how young
they were allowed them were at the time, and the believability of this.
I'd like to play this clip now of Selma Siddik. She was actually I've
had her on the show twice now and she's brilliant, So I'm gonna play
this clip of her right now. I asked my mom, I said,
you know, did you really believe me? And she said, well,
you weren't a child who lied, and I may not have believed in what
you saw, but I believed in you, So I guess in a way
I kind of did. My dad doesn't really say too much about it.
Again, very supportive in the fact that he knew that I was not a
child who lied and so therefore supported me. May not necessarily have believed in
UFOs or extraterrestrials himself, but new enough that I wouldn't make something like that
up or little I'll be influenced by other people that just was not me.
Yeah. She's great, Yeah, Yeah, I love I love talking to
her. She's just so well spoken and and uh, you know some of
the girl, Yeah, some of the things she has said. I mean,
it's just, you know, it's really amazing when they talk about something
like the beings and the you know, the similarities that the children are saying.
But you know, I remember Selma saying something like almost like a porcelain
type skin, you know that these things had and so bizarre. And I
guess the biggest takeaway that I get from Selma when I spoke to her in
the past was how difficult it was for her to leave when she was locking
eyes with this being and she was concerned about her her sibling or siblings,
I can't remember. Yeah, so she wanted to turn away and see how
her sister was and had that She said it was one of the hardest things
she ever did in her life, was turn away from men. Stare.
Yep, A lot of kids went through that. Yeah, And of the
percentage of just a number, rough number, how many people actually felt like
they got some type of message, you know that that number, I don't
actually know. I'm guessing it's around twelve or maybe more. But it depends
on whether the person wanted to share it, because that's sort of another stretch,
right, Like a lot of the men didn't want to talk about their
being beings. They were fine talking about the spacecraft being there, but they
didn't want to talk about the beings, and they sure as heck didn't want
to talk about some message coming into their mind. Uh so a lot I
think, I know for a fact that there's a lot more people that had
that experience that are not talking about it, and I hope they do.
Yeah. Um, Selma said she just plane didn't have anything. Yeah,
you know, yeah, And that's what I love about Selma's She's you know,
she's very honest and straight with what she knows and doesn't know. And
that's that's the best kind of witness, you know, in a way.
And uh yeah, there's some really great people in the movie and some great
um great uh you know, uh just story and uh personality and um adventure.
Yeah, um can you relay some of what people thought that they were
having communicated to themselves. To them, it was mainly around the environment and
what we were doing to our environment. That was primarily the messages that were
transmitted through the mind somehow like psychically, um, and a concern of what
we were doing to ourselves, which which is amazing to come out of a
village amount of village, but a very small farm community in Africa. You
know, granted this this the farm community, and the school was a mixed
race, mixed religion. I mean it was a perfect place. Actually if
if you look at the demographics that were at that school, you've got a
sampling of just about everything. And what about did any of these children talk
about how they you know, with this telepathic communication that supposedly that they received,
did they talk to their parents about or did with some of them just
not even want to they did? Oh yeah, I mean it was difficult
for a lot of the out of kids that weren't believed that were um you
know, their parents just didn't believe them. And then other kids parents believed
them. There were there was a paramedic who worked with three of the kids
because they were super traumatized. Um. But I spoke to a lot of
the parents. That was part of the you know, part of researching this
whole thing, and that was interesting to see how that happened. Um,
how you know the kids were taken by their parents or and how religion entered
into to that fact as well. How how the religion of the parents affected
the children, like some of them are like this was the devil, you
know, and pretty hard stuff for kids when you really have seen something you
know to be ridiculed and also not believed by your parents. That's that's tough.
Yeah. Yeah, so there's there's basically a lot to deal with it.
Um, what are if you can talk about some of the other people
that you have interviewed, UM for this film. Actually I interviewed that are
in the film or it doesn't matter if they're in or not. Okay,
Yeah, I interviewed at least one hundred and fifty two hundred people. UM.
A lot of them were UM the day before Ariel, the day before
that, on the Wednesday, people that have witnessed strange things that whole week.
Um. So I have a ton of those interviews, and I'm not
sure how I'm gonna put them out, but I'm gonna. I want to
put them out. UM interviewed the teachers, interviewed pilots and that that's a
whole interesting thing too, because I am still waiting to hear back from two
other airline pilots that were in the air that night. I have three three
pilots already that were um, witnessed this thing in the sky the night before.
And uh so, yeah, you know, I interviewed the grounds key.
I interviewed everybody I could, parents and groundskeepers and anybody that had any
clue to what had happened, you know, because I was just really investigating
this full on and I wanted to know everything about it to see if there
were any holes in it, you know, As a filmmaker, and you
know, this is my first feature, I sure as heck wanted to make
sure that this was correct, you know, And so I spent a lot
of time interviewing an awful lot of people and then also professional witnesses, and
you know, the I'm trying to said Richard Haynes and Nick Pope and any
of the top line people in this field to sort of get a sense of
what their take was on the whole thing. You know, I wanted,
I was. I didn't just make a movie about this school. I actually
went and studied the whole phenomena in major depths. And the other ones I
interviewed was, of course all the people surrounding John Mack and his life,
because that was a very big research project in itself on John. Doctor John
Mack. He was the psychiatrist that went over professor of psychiatry at Harvard who
went over to Zimbabwe soon after the event to interview the kids. Yeah,
that that whole part is really interesting. How he just up and did that,
you know. And there's a a lady in Boston that was with him
there. I can't remember her name, Dominique cala Monopolis. Yip. Yeah,
I've reached out to her a few times and she's just not interested in
talking right now about it. But yeah, very interesting. You know.
I just had a text, a personal text from a friend of mine that's
listening to the show and he says, this is all great, he says,
but I don't know what you people are talking about. So I think
it would be It wouldn't be a bad idea. I know it's a little
late in the game here, but to give like a nutshell for there are
a lot of first time listeners and this was back in nineteen ninety four.
If you want to just kind of recap the whole situation, if you don't
mind, and hanging there with the long time listener hanging there for this part.
Yeah, okay, yeah, basic nineteen ninety four in a school in
rural Zimbabwe. The something was in the sky and then landed down outside the
playground of this primary school and the children were all out in the playground and
watch this thing happened at least two beings. I've heard up two, three,
four, but there's basically two beings. One had some kind of hair
or covering on his head and the other one was bald, and they were
short and were dressed in a black, black skin tight suit and one of
them, at least one of them, approached the playground and the kids got
really freaked out and ran. One hundred kids ran into the staff meeting that
was going on in the school, and some of the kids got messages about
the environment during that close encounter with this one particular being. And that's pretty
much the story, and it all goes on from there. One of the
things that I find found really fascinating, because they did a lot of study
on it, was why were there any other reports of these creatures being in
black? I've heard grays, I've heard different you know, descriptions, and
the fact that they you know, it was part of verifying the story.
For me, was like, all right, has anybody else ever seen these
things in black? Because that's and there were there were two cases that I
found that they were wearing these black skin type suits back in the nineteen sixties.
I think one was in the seventies, and it was just an abnormal
If they were going to make up a story they would have they wouldn't have
had them, they wouldn't have had had them in black, they would have
been gray. And you know, yeah, it's an interesting fact that and
there's a lot of interesting things that don't fit the media, you know,
don't fit the media explanation of them, which is great because that's what makes
it unique, you know, in a lot of ways. Right, yeah,
and so but did you say there was confusion as far as like some
thought they saw them dressed in something else or are you saying they know no,
Okay, I see, yeah, now they they were in black,
yeah, in one I know some some said that they thought one of them
had long, like long black hair, So I have that risk. Yeah.
So John Knack had gone into conversation with that these children that were reporting
the hair and asked them about well, what what was it hair or was
it a covering or and they didn't really know what it was. It was
just something that was came down from their head, you know. Yeah.
So I mean that was a big one for me. I'm like, I
don't think I've ever heard of that before. And then, um, some
of the children actually reported right away early on that one of them had hair
or the other one didn't. The one that came closer to them didn't.
UM anyway, the yeah, so that there has been a lot of those
little things. You go, well, okay, let me think about this.
Um. But yeah, it's but the thing is, it's been consistent.
Yeah, throughout. I remember when I was talking to Selma, she
said that she could have reached out and touched the being, that's how close
it was to her. Um. Did other other students actually report the same?
I mean, was this thing right close to a lot of them?
A large group, Yes, a very large group. And you know it
wasn't just sixty two kids, by the way, there was a lot more
that saw this. The sixty two kids that drew drawings. The other students
were too young and they this is a little inside information. The grade ones
and twos were not part of that. You know that the teachers decided to
leave the grade ones and who's out of the whole thing. They didn't want
to scare them more so, Wow, yeah, that was a big dispersion
Yeah, Yeah, nobody knows about that, and now they do so.
Um, but what was what's interesting about that is that I went down and
looked for those great ones and twos and to find out what they saw,
and their stories are just as incredible as the rest of the kids. It's
the same story. And actually the younger kids, I believe saw a lot
more because they were out earlier on the playground, which is typical. Yeah
all right, well, um, I'm interested to hear about the pilots.
Um what what are they saying that? I mean, what are they saying
that they saw? Um, they saw a light in the sky that came
across They were at twenty five thousand feet and they saw it on the left,
off the left wing, and they didn't know what it was. They
thought it was possibly another aircraft. And it went right in front of them,
passed at an incredible speed and literally crossed the horizon. And when you're
at twenty five thousand feet altitude, you have a huge horizon that you can
see. And that thing went from one horizon to the other horizon in two
seconds. Well, I mean it was they saw it coming and it just
went by, and they saw it go over the other side of the horizon,
and it was within the it was in front of them, it was
in the within the atmosphere for sure, So you know that, and people
like those pilots wanted to talk about it, and they didn't forget that.
What do you There's no matter what case it is, no matter how great
it is. And I think this is one of the very very top in
my book of all cases. What are the skeptics? How did the skeptics
try to explain this one off? What are some of the things you've heard?
I've heard about rocket reentry back in September fourteenth, a couple of days
before aerial from a Russian spy satellite that went up and the rocket body passing
over Africa. What's there are there is evidence for I went to NASA and
you know, did a foia with them and to try to find out any
information. I also did this whole There's more information coming up of this that
I can't share yet, but I can't wait to share it because it's pretty
mind blowing. But I did a huge investigation into the space program and what
the space program was doing at the time. So if skeptics, I think
they'll probably talk about that, and that's okay. You know, it doesn't
matter to me because I have the pilots on the next night seeing this thing
racing across in front of them, and then you know, aerial happened,
and that was so unique, Like it wasn't just people talking and hearing about
some strange thing in the sky on the Wednesday. It wasn't. There's no
evidence that that's where that came from. And then Thursday, and then in
the day after aerial, another event happened, So something was going on there.
But I don't know how the skeptics are gonna you know, I don't
look if the problem, the problem with the skeptics is they're not out in
the field. They're not out there, they're not out there studying it.
They're not out there interviewing people, looking at things, doing research. So
just not so I don't I just don't give them any weight, you know,
if they if they don't believe this, just fine, you know,
And I don't care, you know, it's just yeah, you'll eventually know
at some point, we all will, right, Yeah, And this is
one case of thousands, tens of thousands of cases around the globe. Yes,
but it must be your opinion too. This is a pretty darn good
one. Well, yes, because in the primary reason is it was filmed
soon afterwards. You know that that was really the interviews you mean, the
interviews of the kids was done in parents and other interviews were done early on
and continued for you know, three months. That's priceless. That doesn't happen
usually, you know. Yeah, but the BBC reporter, I mean he
really, it was really him who who initiated the importance of it, and
then he behind and then John Mack was called. Yeah, so there's a
whole I can't wait to talk. I can't wait to the movies out so
I can really tell you everything, because I really would. It's a fascinating
story. Just the details that I aren't in the movie and the ones I
really want to share that are, I just can't talk about it until it's
released. Yeah, well we all want to see that too. What happened
the day after? Um, there was a a driver from the school who
um, he left the school and he ran into these creatures on the road
and he was so these creatures on the road according to him, and he
swerved away to get in it so he wouldn't hit them, and he um,
his his truck went over the embankment, and he didn't know and he
was a you know, a native there in one of the villages, and
um, you know, he didn't know if they were his ancestors or what
they were, you know, alien. I mean the reason he did talk
to John Mack about it because he thought they were were potentially may have been
aliens in something that that the kids had seen the day before. But there
were several other other events that happened. Um yeah, I'd have to I'd
have to go over him. But there was a woman missing for twenty four
hours really uh yeah, during that time period, and this was all in
the same area. Yeah. Yeah. That's another thing that's kind of puzzling
to me is when something happens in the same area repeatedly, when whatever they
are, you talk about moving two seconds from the horizon to rise, you
know, from one side of the horizon to the next. They could go
anywhere they want, yet they're they're in this particular area, and it makes
you wonder why. And that that goes for a lot of UFO incidents that
are you know, reyndlds from forests, say, and any of those just
in one area, a lot of things happening, very strange, It's true.
And you know, these things can move at incredible speeds and you know,
you think you're they can you know, could be in Japan and one
you know, one one second and in the United States and in a couple
of seconds, yeah, you know, and that there. Yeah, so
it does make you wonder why they focus on an area if this is the
And it sounds like, you know, there was a lot. You said,
there was a lot of things going on there. You don't think any
of it was hysteria related or anything like that. Well, maybe there could
have been some, I'm sure, um, but for the most part,
everybody I talked to was pretty grounded in what they saw. And ye,
now there was a um, there was a controversy and maybe you can clear
this up. Someone had told me that a teacher had come forward recently.
Do you know anything about that and said that she was a witness? True,
it is true. H Have you spoken to her? Yes? And
did that make the film? Was that after the film? Now? That
was it's in the film? Yeah? Okay, all right, you sound
hesitant to give that away. I am. You know, Well, there
was a lot of decision around. I mean, that was a pretty big
deal that not just one, but I think two had seen this thing.
And the one that I'm absolutely a hundred percent positive did see it because the
kids reported she saw it, passed away. She left the school two weeks
later, and then she passed away a year later. You know, she
was she was older and in her seventies or eighties. And yeah, and
the other the other teacher, I um, I knew when I first interviewed
her that the way she was pointing out where everything was was as if she
had seen it. And that struck me. And then when I went back
again to Africa, she finally that she said actually saw it. I just
was too embarrassed to say say it. You know, where did that information
come from? That a teacher? Um, it was going around when I
was at a UFO conference, people were talking about it. Yeah that's true.
Yeah, how about that. I was trying to keep that secret.
Sorry about Okay, this is when we called live live radio. It just
adds credibility to the whole thing, you know. Yeah, yeah, and
so let's talk about you. And you interviewed other teachers too, So what
was that like for them? When all of a sudden, all these kids
came come running in. What did they have to say about that whole situation?
I think it was pretty There was a few that would just believed the
kids one hundred percent, and then I think it threw a lot of the
children and uh, I mean sorry, a lot of the teachers threw them
off quite a bit. I mean that you have kids coming in saying they're
there's a UFO and aliens out on the playground. Um, what do you
uh? You know he can see it in the interviews of the of the
of the teachers. Um, you know, some were disbelieve believe. There
was actually one teacher who disbelieved it and I actually tracked him down because I
wanted to know what he thought. You know, he was one teacher that
thought they were they the kids had made it up. And I found him
and he was still at the school, and I interviewed him and I said,
well, what do you think about it? You know, I'm gonna
i'll put that video up at some point. Um, you know, because
he didn't believe it back then. And I asked him, well, what
changed, you know, what why you believe it now? And he said
yes, it happened, and I said, well, what changed your mind?
And he said the consistent the consistency of the stories over time. Wow.
So that was interesting and but yeah, you had all kinds of teachers
different reactions. Um yeah, I mean whose idea? Was it one of
the teacher's ideas to have them start drawing? Um? I think act,
Well that came from the BBC reporter contacted sent behind, sent behind h called
the school and had an ass to make sure they did drawings. Ah mart
move, yes, yeah, that was her job. She was a journalist
and a researcher. And um, um too, it's too bad I didn't
get to meet her before she died. Well, um, and people,
you know, just for the people listening to the show, if you just
google, um basically this incident rua Ariel school incident, you'll see a lot.
And there's actually some drawings on your website too, right yeah, and
that's uh, might as well get there. Yeah, aero phenomenon dot com.
Yeah, A R I E. L. Which is the name of
the school. Now, I think it's great that. I mean, have
you actually seen some of these drawings in person? I mean that that was
that they saved, which is pretty amazing. And I wonder and when a
lot of them brought them home if their parents, you know, said hey,
you know, throw that out, or I wonder if that type of
thing happened to some of them. I don't think any of those pictures went
home. I see. I know a lot of the kids even today are
like, where's my my drawing? You know, and it's it's uh.
I've had several moments where I find they're drawing and I send it to them.
You know, they were like, I don't remember what I drew,
but I knew I drew. So there's still several people I have to to
get those drawings too. Yeah, once I once the film's out, oh,
definitely send it to the kids. Kids. But yeah, yeah,
it feels like I have my family that you get it, you can get
you know, you have pretty good relationships and you know, deep conversations with
people around this and you get to know them over such a long time.
Yeah, and you say it's a long time. Do you when you were
doing these interviews, do you spend like a day with someone and then you
know interview. Yeah, I'm ridiculous when it comes to I shoot and shoot
and shoot and yeah, but that's how I know I can get a good
interview is time, because people are anxious in the beginning, and once they
start to calm down, then things really the interview really relaxes, you know,
and you can feel it, you know, they're not on the spot.
And that's uh, that's just something I know and do, and a
little training in psychology helps for sure. Yeah. I look at it as
a therapy session actually when I do an interview. Sure, yeah, yeah,
and I bet it is. And sometimes it's therapy for me, you
know. It's uh, I've heard it said that a lot of times people
just want to be heard. They want to be able to tell their story
and and you know, not necessarily on film, you know, but still
they just they just want it. They wanted to be heard. And yeah,
the best thing you can do is listen. Yeah, sorry ahead,
No, no, it's true. Um. Yeah, And so I think
this is a you know, like I said earlier, this to me is
one of the most and I thought it right from the very beginning of the
first time I watched you know, John Max's interviews, way back when I
first started looking into this topic, I thought, oh my, you know,
what could be better than this. As all these you know, children
basically saying that you know, the same thing or something very similar. Nothing
about it seemed to be a hoax. And the thing that I think is
kind of funny is that the teacher that believed that, you know, nothing
was was going on, that there was something that they made up. How
could anyone orchestrate something like that, you know, I mean, for all
these kids to have such a consistent story, it's impossible. Yeah, I
can't see. I went down that road of hoax and psychological you know,
I had teachers look at these interviews of the kids. I had psychiatrists look
at the interviews of the kids or very you know, do you believe these
kids are telling the truths? And they you know, I did my work
on that and they totally agreed that they were. They felt they were being
completely honest. Their body languages were correct, little things that just gave away
through the face and eye movements that they were telling the truth. Yeah.
So yeah, and you know, we as the public out there and what
we can find on YouTube to see the John mac interviews of these children.
Did you actually get to look at the archives of all the footage or most
of the footage about that everything. Yeah, and I bet a lot of
it is like you know, I can understand how people have to edit things
out and uh, you know, but how many hours of footage would you
say? There was, um, six hundred total, but a lot of
that was b roll um wow. And then archivalle I think there's thirty thirty
or forty hours. And then you're talking about your own your own film.
But I mean what about max filming? How much did you have to look?
How many hours of filming did he do? Uh? Boy, let
me think about that. I would say he did it probably four or five
hours. Oh okay, that was his. And then there's all these other
news outlets and reporters. Yeah. Um, but yeah, I've been through
all of it. You know, you keep mentioning the BBC that interview,
and I know that's really important, but I think it you know, to
have a someone with the degree of psychology that John mac had, you know,
from Harvard, I mean just the way he talked to those kids,
you know there is just so comfortable. I mean he made them feel as
comfortable as possible in this question. He was twenty years as a child,
um psychiatrist. Yeah, Um, so, yeah, he and his what
he added there was a different you know, much different um question and answer,
you know, much more relaxed, and you know that he was he
was a professional and John being there, you know, I don't know if
we would have heard about this case at all, Right, John didn't go
there and do his own interviews. I don't know what would have happened if
this would have ever come up, because and there's so many cases like that
that that that just get to glossed over and are forgotten about. Yeah,
because the right people aren't contacted or the right people aren't there. Yeah,
No, I get sometimes I'll get from a listener. They'll send me a
story I never heard of, and it's you know, some pretty amazing UFO
stories and history that you know aren't talked about. You know, we kind
of go back to the you know, the roswelld the ones that you know
keep coming up over and over again. But yeah, there's a lot of
really fascinating stories. And speaking of that, there's a lot of schoolyard stories.
Oh yeah, and have has that? Have you looked into others just
out of curiosity? I went to Wales where the broad Haven incident happened steam
kids. It's witnessed this thing by the sewage plant area behind the school.
Um and uh and a bunch of people in town. I went there,
talked to three of the witnesses and they're all credible, but they didn't want
to go on camera. UM. I interviewed one of the teachers and I
got all their drawings from what all the kids drew from broad Haven and it's
amazingly similar to Ariel And what year was that? Amazing that was seventy seven.
M Yeah, So I looked into that, and then I started collecting
and receiving newspaper articles from somebody that was very helpful of all the sightings around
the world that happened at primary schools and up and there's a there's a dozen
anyway. Yeah, I think there's even more than that. Probably. Yeah.
I had someone that wrote a book about that was on this show.
Oh my god. Oh yeah, nice guy. I just can't think of
right now, I apologize to. Yeah. But yeah, very interesting and
it makes you wonder, you know, the impressionable you know, that's that's
what you have when you have children. Impressionable and you know, I don't
think that's an accident. I don't think so either. I think primary schools
are Yeah, that that that age, You're absolutely right, Um, that
affects their entire lifetime. Yeah, you know, and people are already the
younger crowd anyway, are already super open minded about this, um and that's
just going to carry forward until we finally just say okay, yeah, they're
here. You know. It's it's kind of funny. It's like a lot
of times I'll I'll say personally on this show, well, you know,
I'm not saying it's aliens. You know, we don't know what it is
and all that. But when it comes to this particular case, the ariel
phenomenon, I don't think you can say it's much other than I I can't.
You know, if it's someone from the future, you know, that
would be amazing too, you know, from a billion years in the future
or whenever. But you know it, it's definitely there's some type of alien,
whether they're alien to us for sure, whatever that was described by those
children and what they saw. So I mean, that is a that's a
case where I have to say it's probably aliens, you know, I mean,
I don't know what else would make sense. I don't either, to
be honest, if nothing got out of that thing, it would be a
totally different story. Yeah things did. Yeah, yeah, I remember some
of the descriptions, like one was on top of the disc is that right?
That's correct? Yeah? And yeah, and it was two just two
or two or three? Um, usually there's four four okay m hm.
And what at least and what that number four came up over and over and
over in interviews that of people that didn't want to go on camera. Um,
yeah, so I know that's probably the case. And you know,
there was at least one or two that had stayed back by the craft itself,
and the other at least two approached. Yeah, well I wasn't more
than two that approached. And then there's the one that that he was Rancis
was talking about about it running across the field that was witnessed by a lot
of people. Um, and in the same way that it ran, and
it would appear disappear, bizarre, bizarre, bizarre things. Yeah, the
whole thing was bizarre. And yeah, yeah, and you know, the
one thing that I've never really heard anyone talk about is did they hang out
until these beings got back inside the disc so they they just took off.
Did it was like, did they like and heard did everyone just like oh
yeah, all of a sudden everybody ran into the school? Yeah, and
just left them all out there. I'm just surprised. Did any of the
teachers want to go out and take a look? Two of them did?
Oh and it's these these two, those are the witnesses. Yeah, I
see. I can't wait to hear that story. Yeah, there's a yeah.
Yeah, well so yeah. I mean I don't immediately think everything's alien
or you know myself either. I h a lot of news has come out
in the last two years that's been pretty interesting for sure. Um, but
it's uh, go ahead, no, no, no, I wanted you
to continue your thought there. Yeah, I think, uh, I think
we're seeing, you know, things, things happening for sure. And I
don't consider this, these things a threat necessarily. Um. I know there's
a bent on that this is a threat, and um, good luck if
we're going to pick a fight with those guys or whoever these things are.
Yeah, we have no we have zero chance. Zero. And I know
you hear stories of like you know, maybe you sure shot or something like
that. I mean those that'd be the last thing you'd want to do to
something like that. But I guess stuff you have. Mum, So are
you talking about, like what has happened since um the Pentagon has you know?
Yeah in the New York Times Bless the Keen and uh yeah the Pentagon
lou and um, you know, Harry Reid just did a podcast that was
very interesting, um, quite revealing, And uh, I think the story's
out. You know, the story's out in a lot of ways, and
it's not just new. You know, this has gone back for decades and
decades. And you know, I get why the people and that first figured
out that this was something coming from somewhere else kept it a secret. I
get it. I would have done the same thing because it's so disturbing on
so many levels. And they've had to evolve us to consider the the the
outer space and creatures from other worlds through movies and things like that. But
I think something changed two years ago and there's forward motion on the whole topic,
and it's something that we should all be like, we're concerned with COVID
right now, you know, and it's like everybody in the world, we're
all together, we're all going through the same thing, and I kind of
feel like that's what it's going to take for all of us when we really
come to terms with this other presence out there in space that's coming here.
I really feel like that's going to be a world moment that we're all going
to share because it's about all of us. Has to do with every single
one of us. Whether you've seen one of these things or not. Yeah,
yeah, I just want to. I'm going to give myself a little
bit of a plug here because I've been painting a lot since since this whole
thing. Actually, I've sent you a couple of pictures of some paintings that
I've done, but I try to do. I'm a little embarrassed by this
one because you can't make the gimbal ufo look right I tried, or make
it look like a pretty painting. Here it is. I'm going to bring
it up here. Let's see. This is it? I guess you can't
really see it, but I can see it. Yeah, that is.
It's ugly. You can't make that a really good painting, but there it
is. Um So, anyway, my website's Martin Willis art dot com and
if you enter the coupon code UFO, you get fifty percent off. That's
my little plug on any painting. Um. But uh, yeah, that
that whole situation has really certainly opened the door. And I just feel I
do feel like, um, even lately, that the ball is rolling in
the direction that um, you know, call it disclosure, call it whatever
you want, but um, I don't think the world's this is not coming
apart because of the possibilities that you know. Yeah, and I've I've had
conversations with a lot of pilots, Air Force pilots and Pentagon pilots and a
lot of people lieutenant colonels, stuff like that, just in the last three
years. And man, if they know. Yeah, I watched recently,
I watched I had to Philip manilanum was it last week of the week before
and and he is in a series called The Alien Autopsy, UM, basically
Secrets Revealed. And it's a series you can buy on Prime Amazon Prime for
like four ninety nine. So I bought it and I watched it. It's
actually really really good and I'd suggest, you know, anyone go over there
and and watch it. And um, but it's kind of you know,
like these things that just seemed to be coming. And by the way,
the alien Autopsy film is a hoax, and Race Antilly is brave and just
saying no it's real. It's really quite amazing to watch him. But but
anyway, I do I did want to give that plug to Phillip because it's
a really good well worth watching. I love the old footage and watching the
old footage of so many like Kehoe and so many of those people that we're
trying to make, you know, a difference back in the day, and
you know, here we are, you know, fifty some odd years sixty
years later, still still talking about it in but I do feel like there
is a forward motion anyway. Yeah, those I mean, so many people
over the years, so since back then have put everything on the line,
you know, their reputations, their careers. I mean, it's stunning when
you look at all the people that have come before these moments. You know,
who really fought for disclosure to the rest of the world. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, you're right. They put everything on the line for that.
And you know, John Mack was a perfect example, absolutely, and
that you know, I know you've looked a lot, You've done some work
with the John mac institute, haven't you or yeah, yeah, yeah,
and um, you know, if he was at a tenured professor, he
would have been out basically likely yeah m hm and yeah. So and they
were threatening to take his tenure away. They were yeah, yeah, that's
amazing and that wouldn't happen today. I don't think, probably not um,
but you know, their intention was to destroy his reputation. That was really
what the goal was. Yeh, through through through what happened, through the
whole sort of which trial thing that their main goal was to discredit him.
Yeah, but he persevered, He got through persevered. I think it did
hit him a little bit. I think it did hurt his reputation, yeah,
a bit, um, but yeah, he did persevere. Yeah,
and I wonder what he would have gone if he didn't have that accident in
London. I wonder, you know what he would have changed in the world,
you know, back then with you know, I mean, he wasn't
that old when that happened, That's true. Yeah, he would have been
consulting with um probably a tip, not a tip, but um, yeah,
I know what you mean. Yeah. The yeah, Lou and those
guys get the name of it to the stars started Academy. Yeah yeah,
so um yeah, just switching gears a little bit. Um. Last July
we talked up. We talked at some point and you maybe it was July.
I'm not sure you were on your roof. I'll let you finish that
story. Wow. Yeah, Yeah, I was on my roof at ten.
I went up there about nine forty at night and I was going up
there to adjust of the security camera was on the roof, and anyway,
I was adjusting it and doing you know, it's very technical. You have
to wear a video screen on your wrists and go through the menus and all
that stuff, so you could really maximize the light at night, you know,
the sensitivity at night. And so I'm up there and this think is
in the sky. I saw it and I was like, oh, probably
an airplane or whatever. And then I looked at it again, I'm like
that it's not an airplane. And it was heading toward me, and it
was this orange like ball, literally super bright, and it had it flickered
at a very high rate of speed, and it was coming toward and down
toward where I was. And I didn't know what it was at all.
I didn't make a judgment. I was running things through my head like is
this a drone? Is this a Chinese lantern? Is this? What is
this? And they'd absolutely no noise at all. And when it got closer
to me, it passed in behind the tree that was in front of me,
which is a very large oak tree. I mean, this thing was
at two hundred feet by that time above the ground and it still was beaming.
This light was just it was blinding, you know, the orange weird.
It was just totally weird. And then when it passed behind the tree,
it had you know, these long these branches come out in the tree
and it blocked out the light of this bright orange light. And this thing
was I could see, you know, it blocked out the orange part when
it went behind the branch, and I could see these platforms on coming out
on each side of the light, and they were really thick, like twelve
feet deck maybe, I mean, they were really thick, and there was
a silver line in the middle, super shiny like chrome and u and it
was black on top, black on the bottom. And that's when I kind
of got like, Okay, I have no idea what this thing is.
And it's pretty damn close to me, and it started to move. I
mean it was it was always moving, and it was moving weirdly. It
like wobbled slightly, and it moved through the tree and I kept looking at
it, and I was thinking of what am I doing. I'm on the
roof right, what is this thing going to do? I have no idea.
And there was no windows on it or anything. What was also interesting
was when that orange light went behind the tree. Those platforms were lit by
a like a really dim white light with no source there was. You couldn't
see a light source or any kind of it was. It was just the
whole thing too, honestly, was exotic. Wow, the whole thing.
And then and it made absolutely no sound. I fly planes. I've seen
all kinds of stuff, and I know what air displacement is. When something's
moving through the air, you can hear it, you know, it creates
the displacement in the air. There was nothing, nothing, And then it
came out the tree. I caught a glimpse of it again, you know,
because the orange light had moved around somewhere and I don't even know if
it was a light, I don't know what it was. But and then
then I saw the sloping dome on the top, just for a frame,
like a frame, and then it went black. And then I'm still thinking,
what is this thing? And I was Then it went through some kind
of transformation which I don't understand. It was like jumbling around, and then
the orange light came back on, but it was much bigger, and and
then I watched this thing go from this orange ball and depart over the horizon
in a second. I mean, it was jaw dropping. That's when I
knew this was not a drone, It wasn't a Chinese lantern, it wasn't
any of this stuff was It was jaw dropping. I stood up on my
roof for twenty minutes, just like and I felt like a neder fall witnessing
something from the tent. And I'm not even saying I don't even know who
was flying that thing, but we should all be concerned that these things are
out there. I don't know, I don't care who's flying them, but
they're there, and it's you know, I've been very quiet about it,
you know, because of the film. I didn't want to say anything,
but it really really disturbed me, you know, for for a long time.
And then forty five days later, my brother died, you know,
But I mean it was a hell of a year last year, but that
was a big one. I wrote about it every single day after that.
That happens with and I mean, there's so many little details because when you're
when you see something unknown, something that could potentially pose a danger to you,
you start filming at a very high rate of speed. You just like
in a car accident, you know, like that kind of thing. You
know, everything seemed slow motion. But the reason why is because you're filming
so fast. In your eyes, you're taking you know, a higher rate
of pictures. And anyway, so the whole incident was just yeah, humbling
and why, I have no idea. I live in a seven hundred acre
forest, so there wasn't many people around, though there were other witnesses.
There were there were other witnesses from South Deerfield. I try to get a
hold of this guy and it's the same thing, and oh, I gotta
tell you this. So after this incident, I called one of the I
won't mention the name UFO Reporting agency. I was going to ask you about
that, okay, yeah, And they didn't send somebody out and I filed
it and they he never came out or anything, and he just wrote it
off as a Chinese lantern and I got I was upset. I was like,
are you kidding me? Wow? And so I called the head of
that organization. I said, look, man, this whoever is working out
here, I just it's that he's not doing a good job of this.
So I ended up getting connected. I said, you know what, I'm
going to go to another agency, a scientific based agency, and I did
and they've and I'm working with them still because I gathered an awful lot of
data during that time. So and then I went to the police department.
I reported it to two police departments and pretty much got told that I,
oh, you probably saw a meteorite or you know, I filed reports,
but um well, I just got a real taste of what people go through
when you report. And thank god, these science based guys, they sent
a guy out here. We walked through the whole thing and showed them what
I had. And you know, and I'm not going to ask you to
show this, but did you take footage? Yes? You do have it?
M that that is really interesting. Yes, some yeah, that's that
right now. I'm getting that to these people so they can really analyze it.
I mean, I need to analyze it further, but to have it
on tape and also have visually sought myself. You know, the cameras.
Unfortunately, cameras are wide angle, so it's twice as far away as I
was. But what matters to me when I look at it is the behavior,
what it does. Yeah, and the audio there's zero sound, zero.
And that thing was big. It had been at least seventy feet at
least seventy feet long, and definitely probably ten or twelve feet high. Wow.
I mean, every everything about the thing was weird. Everything about the
thing was exotic and strange. And I don't know where it was from or
anything, but yeah, wow, Yeah, that is a really great story.
And I do appreciate the fact because I know you're a little hesitant to
talk about it, but I really do appreciate the fact that you you did
decide to talk about it. But we are now taking calls. I see
we have one person on another trying to get in um and uh so we
have Chris calling from Alabama. Chris, welcome to the show. Hi,
Chris. Oh, it's my fault, my fault. Here we go,
Here we go, Chris Welcome to the show. Blow. Hey there,
Hello, how are you. I'm great? How are you good? Good?
You have a question for our guest tonight. Yes, I was just
listening to the last bit there where you had a video of your um,
your encounter. I was wondering if you could possibly post that online for others
to see, or if if that was a sensitive to you. I want
to have an analyzed first, Like you know, it's gonna eventually end up
out there, but I just want the science guys to look at it really
carefully first. But it'll it'll be out eventually. And there's a there's a
couple others that I have also, so for some reason, this area that
I live in is some kind of pathway for some pretty strange vehicles in my
opinion. Yeah, how about that? Anything else, Christopher? Nope,
that's all. Thank you very much. Thanks out there eventually. Thank you.
Yeah, I appreciate the call. We also have a Rob rob is
calling from Pennsylvania. Welcome to the show. Rob. Hello, Hi there,
Hi, Rob Hi, Hey, thanks for having the show. Thanks
Randall for being on. My question was I don't know you mentioned something about
some original video interviews that were done that were done by John Mack and you
mentioned something like five or six hours something like that some time ago. I
had looked online to trying to find them because I was really interested in seeing
all of the all of the video. Is there a way for others to
view these videos? Not yet, that's gonna. I know some were out
there, and I think the the MAC Foundation took them down down for right
now because I think they want to. I'm not sure actually how they want
to release them or show them. UM. That's a good question, because
I think it's important, and I think it's important that all a lot of
these interviews that didn't make the film. Uh, it's important that I think
that that they will be seen, that they can be seen by the public.
UM. I very much agree with you, and hope you're able to
do that. UM. I think for this particular event, I suppose any
event. UM, it doesn't seem to I can never seem to get enough
information about it. I mean I kind of kind of get the understanding what
happened from from interviews that you've done and and the others like Palma, um,
and uh, but I just I would like to like to see more
if I could, so sure and thanks Martin. Bye bye. Yeah,
hey, thank you, thanks for the call. Right. I think after
the film is out, I can do a real, a real bullet point
progression of how everything happened and a lot of missing information that I can't speak
about yet. Yeah, well we all can't wait. I mean that that's
exciting to know there's more more coming. So the lines open. The number
is eight five five four seven two five four eighty three. We have Andy
calling from Connecticut. Repeat call are always with great questions. Andy, Welcome
to the show. Hi guys, thanks. My question for Randall is I'd
love to hear his thoughts on, you know, with regard to the alien
message in the arial school incident of environmental problems or disasters. Does he think
that there's any chance that that's strictly the aliens capitalizing on the the you know,
hot button issues of the day to send a message to us that we
should be concerned and that, you know, knowing that they may be able
to control or read our thoughts. What are his thoughts on the fact that
this may not be sincere it's just a you know, a cover and I'll
take your answer off the air. Let other people call in. Thanks,
guys, good news, thank you, thank you. I think, um,
well, in Africa at that time and that year, global warming like
wasn't a huge topic at that time, um right, you know, it
wasn't a mainstream thing at all back then. Um it was definitely being talked
about. But um all I can say about that is, I think there
are the messages that those kids got were correct, and we're finding that out
every day, you know, every single year for the past fifteen years or
so. I believe I'll have to make sure these numbers are correct. But
every successive year, like this year is warmer than last year. The planet's
getting hotter, and amongst so many other things that happened when the climate changes,
the ice melts and animals start to migrate to the areas they never went
were in before, which creates an awful lot of chaos, particularly in Africa
anyway. So that's I just I don't think there was anything conspiratorial about what
happened there. No. Well, I you know, one of the things
that you never really here discussed, but the fine particulates that are in pollution
in one way or another kill several hundred thousand people a year, you know,
I mean it's just you know that that alone, never minding what it's
doing to the planet. It's really something else. We have a longtime listener,
a longtime listener from Columbia, Garrett. Welcome to the show. Garrett.
I saw you a question in chat. I was going to ask it,
but welcome to the show. I'm glad to have you on. Oh,
thanks so much. I guess I got impatient. No, I'm glad
you called in and a longtime listener. You're in Colombia, and you said
some nice things so that you'd love to listen to the show and really get
you get you by down there, and I always appreciate hearing from you.
Thanks so much. Yeah, kind of what we were talking, what you
guys were talking about before. You know, we are all start for content
right now, and me especially I'm in a foreign nation and my girlfriend really
also appreciates this topic. So my question, what for Randall, was will
there be UM subtitle options or uh, you know, dubbing something sheet She
only speaks standing. Okay, Yes, there will be. Yeah, for
sure, we're pretty much all set up for that. UM. So that'll
happen in the next couple of months. Yeah, because it's gonna be worldwide
and we're gonna have to I don't know how many languages we're gonna have to
do this in, but quite a few. Yeah, anything else? Carett?
Okay? Yes? Or one more? Will you be bonus features?
Kind of like there's these extra extra interviews that you had. Thanks so much
up to air. Have a great time, guys. Hey, thanks right,
thanks for the call. Yeah, there will be, um, you
know, there will be extras. I'm not sure how I'm gonna do that.
Um, but once the film is out off off my hands, then
I'm going to focus on the extras and DVD extras and you know, a
lot a lot of really interesting interviews and scenes that did make a movie.
Oh that's great. Yeah, that's exciting to know. We have Nellie from
Los Angeles. Nellie, welcome to the show. Thank you, hey,
Martin and Randall, thank you for taking these calls. My question for Randall
is has any of the witnesses ever experienced an unusual scent where snell after an
encounter. Um. I remember reading some sisters in Brazil who had an encounter
and they talked about the Haatred Air when near the craft and the creature they
had seen, And I wonder if there had them anything similar to the aerial
school witnesses. No, uh, I have not heard anyone talk about smell.
Um because primarily they were in this very large field. It was primarily
visual and auditory things that they experienced. Um. John Mack actually asked a
lot of the kids that question. I mean a lot of people that interviewed
the kids before him. You know, two other people had asked them,
didn't ask those questions like did you what did you hear? What did you
smell? Was you know what did you see? All those detailed questions.
Um. But right at the moment, I can't. I don't think there
was anybody that mentioned the smell. But I do know what you're talking about.
Yeah. Um. I always just wondered if like the craft or anything
would leave some kind of I mean anything sound, whether the creatures or whatever
substances are used to propel such a machinery. And um, and you had
talked about sound and that there had been like a high pitched whistling sound.
Had there been any other um mentions of like any like low frequencies or any
other weird kind of sound frequencies? YEA other than the whistle. Yes,
okay, if you hear the whistle, you're in trouble. Yeah, okay,
whistle, blue light, You're not gonna have a good day tomorrow.
But from what I know, understand, all right, that's it out,
Nelly. Thank you for listen and look forward to the film. Thank you.
I appreciate it. Thank you for the call. Next, looks like
we have a smooth smith calling from Connecticut. Welcome to the show. Hello,
Hi there, Hello, Yeah, can you hear me? Yeah,
we hear you. Fine. You have a question for our guests. I'm
just wondering, you know, after all the different things that he's investigated.
I've been watching since Leonard Nimoy in the early seventies, but do you think
the overall thing is what's going on? I mean, are we building up
to something big that's going to happen or or you know, what's your take
on the overall thin of all things that are happening right now. That's a
great question. I really appreciate that question. Um, I've watched every I've
watched Martin Willis over and over and over and every other James Dolan. So
what's the overall picture of what could be happening and what can we expect?
Well, I feel like they these it's another species, life form, kingdom
of creatures that have been around for God only knows long how long, and
right, there's a huge gap between where humanity is and where they are,
just from God only knows how many millions or years of evolution. So that's
a big I mean, I kind of see that that's maybe trying to close
up, you know, bridging that gap. That's going to take hundreds and
hundreds of years if that's the case, and that I feel like over slowly,
over time, and they have acclimatized themselves to us, much like you
do with a wild animal, you know, and taming a wild animal,
it takes a lot of time, and you got to show up, and
you got to be quiet, and you gotta standstill, and you got to
wear the same clothes every day every time you encounter it, and you know,
they slowly get used to you, but it takes a long time before
they take food, and you know, and there are some animals on this
planet that can't be tamed, so that a whole other thing is that,
you know, we never think of ourselves as like the creatures or animals that
we are, you know, right, and and yeah, I just feel
like, you know, we're also breaching space, you know, and we
have since all this really started, and that that this could be possibly their
neighborhood. And they're concerned of us, about us getting off our planet.
And that makes a lot of sense because I would be concerned as well.
So I don't know how the bridge is going to be the gap is going
to be bridged, but I feel like they are acclimatizing themselves to us slowly,
slowly, could very well be. Hey, Smith, we got a
bunch of calls waiting, so thanks for the call. All right, next
we have we We're not gonna be able to take any more calls after we
have three lined up. Hello Steve from California, Welcome to the show.
Hi Martin. I'll make this quick. Um. We know to U history
that that some cases stand out, and this incident I think stands out as
one of the most important contact incidents. I know people are very interested in
this case. I have a room and Facebook called to Be Told, and
the past years I would post articles regarding this case and people are just so
interested in this case. I get so many people that comment on this so
um so at least to my question, Presson Dennis has wrote a book about
this, and we know that this has happened in many schools. Will you
mentioned My question is why do you think these visitors have chose children? And
second question, I've been collecting up of footage for twenty five years. I
have to commend us some footage. Will you be having footage in your film
or what do you think of some of the footage that being out today?
Thank you, hi, thanks for the question. Um m m uh,
Yeah, there's not in the film. We don't use any UFO footage.
Um because we just, you know, the whole idea of special effects or
anything was kind of took away from what this film is really about, which
is about people. It's about this event. We didn't want to do any
sci fi kind of you know anything there. There is actually actually there is
one genuine uh the UFO or whatever UAP that was caught on a night vision
camera that is in the film. Um. But what was his first question?
I forget it. Yeah, I thought it was about footage, but
you know, maybe maybe there was maybe maybe it's time to take another call.
Okay, all right, we have Rob from Florida. Rob, Welcome
to the show. We only have a couple of minutes left here and we
have another call waiting. So how are you. Oh fine, mister Willis.
I'm a new subscriber to your channel and thank you so much for sending
those shows to me. Good evening, mister Nickerson. This is one of
the most astonishing cases I've ever read, and it is and it's very high
quality. My question to you is or has any recent readings been done on
the actual site as far as radio activity. No, and the readings that
were done at the time we're done with basically homemade instruments. They did actually
soil samples. They actually did a good job. They used electromagnetic field detector
that one of the investigators was an electronics whiz and he built that, and
he built a Geiger counter, but it wasn't sense supersensitive. So I'd be
interested to see if there was anything on that site. I just didn't go
in that direction. I mean I would now if I went back, because
I do have a Geiger counter now. But yeah, I h there was
a lot of work done on the site, but there was nothing that was
came back as any red flag you know, it's very interesting. Well listen,
best of luck on your on your film there. Thank you, Thank
you, sir, I appreciate that. All right, excellent. Well,
our last caller just dropped off, which is just as well because we only
have we only have a couple of minutes left here, so random, Why
don't you throw out all the information that you can, as far as you
know, people being able to watch the film and all that, as far
as websites and yeah, all that and yeah, you can watch the trailer
at Aerial phenomenon dot com. We are just finishing our new website which is
really cool. We uh have upgraded that and also, um, you can
reach us on Facebook. Uh it's uh if you go to Facebook and put
in Aerial School film or aero School documentary, it'll come up and there's a
lot of activity on there. We have a Twitter, we have all the
all the services. You know, we're everywhere. Yeah, okay, can
I say something we have you know, I just want to put a shout
out to Nikki in Africa, who is such a big help, and Rebecca
and Anne and Chris and Rick and so many other people that have just been
I mean, I'm the head guy, whatever. But the work they've done
has just been amazing, and I was so lucky to have a good,
really great team. You know. Actually, I just want to put that
thank you out to so many people and people who have given money and all
that. It's just it's super important and I just want to make that thank
you. All right. Well, we're totally out of time, Randall,
so thank you so much. All right, Thanks Martin, I really appreciate
it. You bet have a good one. Yeah. Well oop, so
I just cut them off, all right, everyone, So we'll be back
next week with Dave Halpern, and thanks so much everyone, and have a
good, safe week, and remember to keep your eyes to the sky.