1 00:00:27,039 --> 00:00:30,440 Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin willis your host, and 2 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,920 one of my favorite guests is coming right up, Robert Powell. He has 3 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,719 written a book, and I'll show you the image of the book. A 4 00:00:37,799 --> 00:00:42,560 scientist explains what we know and don't know. Well, it actually starts with 5 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:46,560 the word UFOs, and I like the fact that he actually used the word 6 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:53,759 UFOs and did not say you ap So that's just my own opinion. Anyway. 7 00:00:54,240 --> 00:01:00,359 So I am away from all phone contact you're watching this. I'm going 8 00:01:00,399 --> 00:01:07,079 to be on a music cruise. So but when I get back, I'm 9 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:11,680 going to be right here at the Ozark Mountain UFO conference that's April twelfth through 10 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,000 the fourteenth. So if you happen to be going, send me an email 11 00:01:15,359 --> 00:01:21,599 Martinette PODCASTUFO dot com and we will figure out a way to meet up or 12 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:26,599 you could join me. I maybe doing some recording with possibly with Sean Khill 13 00:01:26,599 --> 00:01:32,599 and a couple of others Mark d' antonio of course, always just a couple 14 00:01:32,599 --> 00:01:37,760 of other things. In July, I will be the EMC at the move 15 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:45,280 On and it's the move On International Symposium. The theme is the Battle for 16 00:01:45,439 --> 00:01:49,640 You UFO. I like that they didn't use UAP there either. Transparency. 17 00:01:52,159 --> 00:01:56,760 So also, just I have announced this a couple of times, this is 18 00:01:56,799 --> 00:02:01,400 coming up. It's an important interview with Nathan Wygan and Michael Herrera. 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And 28 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:49,719 I promise I will not spam you or give your email information away. That 29 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,639 is a promise. And here we go with our guest Robert. Welcome to 30 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:58,280 the show. Hi Martin, it's good to see you again. I know. 31 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:04,039 Yeah, we talked recently when I was doing a little talk at eight 32 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:08,120 Amateur Astronomers and you helped me out a great deal of talking about the AAAR 33 00:03:09,199 --> 00:03:15,639 report, which, yeah, there's been a lot of controversy about that since 34 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:20,360 it came out. But you're here to talk about your book, and I 35 00:03:20,439 --> 00:03:24,080 am excited to read this book. I have a backlog of books that people 36 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:28,360 are waiting for me to read, but this one, I like, you 37 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:32,159 know that basically a scientist explains what we know and don't know. And so 38 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:38,680 how long has this been in the making. Well, I mean it took 39 00:03:38,759 --> 00:03:42,759 me, I guess about eight to nine months to write the book. But 40 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:49,360 the book is basically written about my seventeen years of you know, exploring this 41 00:03:49,439 --> 00:03:53,560 subject. So that's you know, I've written books before, one about the 42 00:03:53,599 --> 00:03:57,439 history of the subject and other you know, for kids, but this one's 43 00:03:57,479 --> 00:04:03,080 really my view of the subject based on having you know, personally interviewed hundreds 44 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:11,719 of witnesses individually, and then I probably read thousands of UFO reports since I 45 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:17,279 became involved in this seventeen years ago, right, And I understand in the 46 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:23,519 beginning of the book, you're kind of familiarizing people with the history of UFOs, 47 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:27,879 what I think is very important and something that's not talked about a lot 48 00:04:28,759 --> 00:04:32,600 when people, you know, try to explain away what they're seeing with these 49 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:42,720 unusual propulsion and characteristics of UFOs by saying that it's something secret that we have, 50 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,399 you know, in the military, But they don't go back all the 51 00:04:46,399 --> 00:04:51,800 way back when that was just not possible to have what people were actually seeing 52 00:04:53,399 --> 00:04:58,720 that we just didn't have that technology and you can't even you know, explain 53 00:04:59,319 --> 00:05:03,639 what they were seeing. So I think history is very important, and so 54 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:12,560 let's just talk a little bit about, you know, the shift since twenty 55 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,160 seventeen. Is that another thing I'm sure you talk about in your book. 56 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:23,720 Yes, one of the subjects that's discussed in the book is the shift that's 57 00:05:23,759 --> 00:05:30,160 happened since actually the New York Times report of December seventeenth, twenty seventeen. 58 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:35,560 And I think the two biggest shifts that I've seen over the last twenty years 59 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:43,240 in this subject of UAP is one the December seventeenth the New York Times. 60 00:05:43,319 --> 00:05:46,439 I just have to correct you. There's the sixteenth, sixteenth, all right, 61 00:05:46,519 --> 00:05:50,240 maybe of twenty seventeen, Yes, okay, the sixteenth instead of the 62 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:55,639 seventeenth, But I know I got the year right too, two it yes, 63 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:01,879 And so the other part that's really key is the thousands of exoplanets that 64 00:06:01,959 --> 00:06:08,680 we discovered, and I think think those two items together have kind of shifted 65 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:18,040 how people see the UFO subject absolutely, and they when you talk about all 66 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:24,120 the possibilities of Earth like planets out there, you know what I mean. 67 00:06:25,199 --> 00:06:30,920 I've heard, you know, numbers quoted that there could be in just our 68 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:34,399 galaxy a billion, you know, Earth like planets, So you know, 69 00:06:34,519 --> 00:06:42,800 I mean, it just kind of makes you wonder, especially since we're so 70 00:06:42,959 --> 00:06:48,639 young, what type of civilizations, And oftentimes, in my opinion, we 71 00:06:49,319 --> 00:06:55,199 kind of humanize what they may be doing and not really thinking we have no 72 00:06:55,319 --> 00:07:00,040 way to know if they would blow themselves up like we probably will, so 73 00:07:00,319 --> 00:07:03,639 how they develop, Yeah, you know when you said blow ourselves up. 74 00:07:03,759 --> 00:07:10,120 That's one of the things I talk about in the book, Martin is it 75 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:15,480 ties in to whether or not we would expect aliens to be friendly or unfriendly. 76 00:07:15,399 --> 00:07:20,000 And the argument I make is that we would consider them to be friendly 77 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:26,680 most of the time, because as a civilization develops, take ours, for 78 00:07:26,759 --> 00:07:32,920 example, you develop the ability to annihilate yourself long before you develop the ability 79 00:07:32,959 --> 00:07:40,160 for interstellar travel. So it's almost like nature has put in a self limiting 80 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:47,879 gadget there for interstellar travels so that the malevolent species wipe themselves out before they 81 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,759 can go out and wipe someone else out. So I think we're on the 82 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:57,079 precipice. You know. Sometimes I read the morning paper and it looks like 83 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:01,120 we're a malevolent species. But I guess time will pale because I would say 84 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:05,079 we're at least one hundred years away from interstellar travel, so we need to 85 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:09,839 survive another one hundred years. Yeah, yeah, I would think that sounds 86 00:08:09,959 --> 00:08:13,959 about right and not to start out in such a depressing thing. But I've 87 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:24,360 talked with Bryce Abel who was doing research about extinction events, and he said 88 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:28,360 that a lot of the world scientists that he spoke to said, well, 89 00:08:28,439 --> 00:08:31,279 we don't really know if we're going to be around in another hundred years. 90 00:08:31,559 --> 00:08:35,559 And it's you know, I mean, it's a little scary with you know, 91 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:41,600 AI and all the things that could basically go wrong with AI, and 92 00:08:41,759 --> 00:08:45,639 one of them is just a simple thing could actually happen today. In my 93 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:50,240 opinion is that these deep fake videos, it could be like a world leader, 94 00:08:50,759 --> 00:08:54,759 you know, threatening in some type of way that could cause you know, 95 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:01,519 terrible things. So Yeah, that's uh, that's something we have to 96 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:09,519 get through socially without blowing ourselves up right in general. Yeah, so what 97 00:09:09,639 --> 00:09:13,240 are some of the things you know? I mean, you talk about an 98 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:20,039 intelligently controlled craft, and I know it's all basically speculation about where these things 99 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:24,639 might come from. And I'm sure the thing that you often hear like I 100 00:09:24,759 --> 00:09:31,879 do, is that you know there are vast distances between other possible you know, 101 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,720 planets that are out there, and so that comes up all the time. 102 00:09:35,279 --> 00:09:39,120 And how do you you know, how does all this figure in your 103 00:09:39,159 --> 00:09:43,480 book? Okay, so yeah, so let me back up a little bit 104 00:09:43,519 --> 00:09:48,120 then. So I wrote the book so that it's readable not only by the 105 00:09:48,159 --> 00:09:52,240 individual who you know, really studies the UFO subject a lot, but it's 106 00:09:52,279 --> 00:09:58,159 also readable for those who don't know a lot about the UFO subject. And 107 00:09:58,879 --> 00:10:03,279 there's two things that I talk about that I feel like I do know after 108 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:09,639 seventeen years of studying this subject. So one is that UFOs are physical objects. 109 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:15,120 They you know, they're not They're not just a plasma or a figment 110 00:10:15,159 --> 00:10:20,000 of our imagination. They're physical objects. And the second thing that I feel 111 00:10:20,039 --> 00:10:26,840 I do know is that they are intelligently controlled, and whatever that intelligence is, 112 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:31,279 it's well beyond you know, our intelligence. And I go into the 113 00:10:31,279 --> 00:10:37,759 book and explain why I believe that, because you have to define, you 114 00:10:37,759 --> 00:10:41,960 know, what, what is the measurement that defines to you that you're dealing 115 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,879 with an extraterrestrial intelligence. And the one I talk about in the book is 116 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:56,120 extreme acceleration, because that requires an intelligence to generate that in a craft that's 117 00:10:56,159 --> 00:11:01,840 in your atmosphere, and it's done at acceleration, so far beyond anything we 118 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:05,279 can do. And as you said, I mean, this has been going 119 00:11:05,279 --> 00:11:09,840 on for seventy five years now with reports to the same thing. So that's 120 00:11:09,879 --> 00:11:13,240 what I look at. The two things I know now what you just mentioned 121 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:18,519 was, you know, the things we don't know for certain, and one 122 00:11:18,519 --> 00:11:24,879 of those, for example, is the extraterrestrial hypothesis. Yes, And I 123 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:31,440 go into that and why I believe that's the most likely explanation doesn't mean it 124 00:11:31,519 --> 00:11:35,759 is the explanation, right, just means at this point in time, I 125 00:11:35,759 --> 00:11:41,039 think it's the most likely. Right, Yeah, I have felt that way, 126 00:11:41,159 --> 00:11:45,159 you know. And then as you hear a lot, especially lately, 127 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,960 a lot of people talking about the interdimensional you know, possibilities, which I 128 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:54,480 also think could be a possibility. It's hard to fathom how it would work, 129 00:11:54,159 --> 00:11:58,799 or there could be travel between dimensions things like that, and it's kind 130 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:05,639 of mind warping in general to think that these things are possibilities. Uh, 131 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:11,320 you know, the dark matter and dark energy. That's another big mystery, 132 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:16,399 and uh, some people are thinking we're on a way to solving that with 133 00:12:16,519 --> 00:12:22,240 the James Webb telescope. And I don't know what your thoughts are on any 134 00:12:22,279 --> 00:12:28,720 of that, but I mean it seems like, uh, there's everything kind 135 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:35,080 of boils down to you know, Einstein's theory of relativity, relativity and and 136 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:41,200 all that, you know, light travel, and you know, just I'm 137 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,960 just asking for your opinion, you know, I know you like to look 138 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:48,039 at things scientifically, But do you think it's possible there's faster than light travel? 139 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:54,240 Yes, I mean I think there's There have been papers written on theoretical 140 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:58,879 methods that can be used for faster than light travel, such as, uh, 141 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:03,639 oh, warping through space right where you've been space, so that like 142 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:07,200 if you had a balloon, you basically are pinching it from one side to 143 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:11,440 another, so the closest distance between two points is no longer a straight line. 144 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:20,080 So yeah, that's possible. It's way beyond our capabilities. But we 145 00:13:20,159 --> 00:13:26,759 are already talking about interstellar travel in our society today. Thirty years ago that 146 00:13:26,879 --> 00:13:33,519 was not even considered a something you would even discuss. So there's already a 147 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:41,679 program that's been proposed to create what they call light sales, right, and 148 00:13:41,759 --> 00:13:50,360 it's the Breakthrough Project, and the objective being to basically hurl miniature spacecraft, 149 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:56,679 which are basically computer chips, towards office sentry at ten percent the speed of 150 00:13:56,759 --> 00:14:03,600 light. So that means in four years or excuse me, in forty years 151 00:14:03,639 --> 00:14:09,159 forty yeah, you would reach it, right, which is really short in 152 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:15,639 a time span when you talk about the distance. Yeah. So someone wrote 153 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,120 me last night they wanted me to ask you, and I don't know if 154 00:14:18,159 --> 00:14:24,679 this is even in your book anywhere or they just heard you talk about it 155 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:30,960 before, but it's the Southern Ontario nineteen ninety three close encounter with a DoD 156 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:35,440 engineer kind of a dog bone shaped UFO. Is that something you have done 157 00:14:35,799 --> 00:14:41,279 a work on. Yeah, there's actually several pages in the book about that 158 00:14:41,399 --> 00:14:46,240 Ontario case, and it actually occurred in August of twenty thirteen, So it 159 00:14:46,279 --> 00:14:52,159 was only eleven years less than eleven years ago. And it's the point I'm 160 00:14:52,159 --> 00:15:01,559 making the book is UFOs do things that are not made no aerodynamic sense, 161 00:15:01,759 --> 00:15:07,080 right in the imagine a dumbbell moving through the air. So one of your 162 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:11,240 questions of people often ask, oh, this witness made this up, or 163 00:15:11,279 --> 00:15:16,080 you know this he misunderstood what he saw, right, Well, how do 164 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:22,679 you miss interpret a dumbbell flying through the sky, right, And that's totally 165 00:15:22,759 --> 00:15:30,440 non aerodynamic. And if you were a hoaxer, why would you say the 166 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,519 object look like a dumbbell? Right? I mean, that's just going to 167 00:15:33,559 --> 00:15:37,840 make your story even harder to believe. Make you look like a dumbbell. 168 00:15:37,279 --> 00:15:41,159 Yeah, exactly, it make you look like a dumb bell. Well, 169 00:15:41,399 --> 00:15:46,519 in this story what happened, there were three guys out hunting black bear up 170 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:52,399 in Ontario. One of the two one of the three gentlemen, is also 171 00:15:52,879 --> 00:15:58,360 a research scientist with contracts with the Department of Defense. This case was so 172 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:02,879 good and so interesting, right, I wanted to know, Okay, this 173 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,519 is true or not. So I actually flew up and met the guy. 174 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:12,240 I toured his research facility where he has engineers that work for him, and 175 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:18,879 I toured a d D facility that manufactures some of the products he makes for 176 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:25,840 the Department of Defense. So this guy has always remained anonymous because he doesn't 177 00:16:25,879 --> 00:16:30,919 want to jeopardize, you know, the jobs that he gets from the d 178 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:37,519 D. But he he's was an excellent witness in terms of, you know, 179 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:44,279 seeing the detail and transcribing everything that he saw. And so yeah, 180 00:16:44,279 --> 00:16:48,399 I go. I spent about three pages in the book on that particular case. 181 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:53,039 And did he get images any pictures? So here here's what happened. 182 00:16:53,039 --> 00:16:57,399 He when he first saw the object. They first saw it. They were 183 00:16:59,159 --> 00:17:02,519 in the middle of nowhere, right, their cell phones don't work. They're 184 00:17:02,559 --> 00:17:07,119 on a logging road. It's nine point thirty at night. He's in the 185 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,000 back of the pickup truck. The other two guys are in the front. 186 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:15,519 He sees a light coming behind him, So his first concern is, Hey, 187 00:17:15,519 --> 00:17:18,480 we're in the middle of nowhere. What is a helicopter for example, 188 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:25,319 coming towards us? Right, So he's concerned that something the fairius is going 189 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:29,720 on right in the back of its ontario. Well, as this light begins 190 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:36,799 to approach, comes around and then it stops approximately four hundred and fifty feet 191 00:17:36,839 --> 00:17:41,799 in front of them, because he's measuring it against the tree line. And 192 00:17:41,599 --> 00:17:45,119 the object is this giant barbelle. So the first thing he does is he 193 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:51,839 turns on his cell phone. Well, his cell phone is like acting as 194 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:55,319 if it's booting up, so he can't take a picture of his cell phone. 195 00:17:55,799 --> 00:18:03,240 So he grabs his sony camera and he turns on the camera to photograph 196 00:18:03,279 --> 00:18:06,960 this object. As soon as he turns the camera on, the camera turns 197 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:11,039 off. Soon as he does it again, the camera turns off. So 198 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:18,599 his view is there some type of electromagnetic interference. It's keeping his camera from 199 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:25,759 working. And he suspects this because he sees this six inch plasma all around 200 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:32,960 this barbel shaped object. So this continues for a minute or two. Is 201 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:37,119 they watch this, and then the object starts to move away. Well, 202 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:41,799 the research scientist says, okay, it's moved farther away. Let me try 203 00:18:41,839 --> 00:18:45,640 my camera again, because he suspected, you know, is it gets far 204 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:49,960 enough away, the interference with his camera will stop. So now he turns 205 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:55,519 the camera on and this time it stays on. And so he begins recording 206 00:18:55,559 --> 00:18:57,559 the object, and you can hear his voice and the voice of the other 207 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:04,319 men. What you see on the video is just gibberish on the screens. 208 00:19:04,839 --> 00:19:11,319 It's touttled garbage. And so the video has been interfered with, but the 209 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:15,319 audio is still working, and so he has that recording. He keeps it 210 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:19,720 in a little safe it is engineering lab, and while I was up there, 211 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:26,039 we put it on in a celloscope and looked looked at the traces that 212 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:33,200 were detected off the camera, and it's it's really an interesting interesting case. 213 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,759 Yes, yes, I do remember hearing details. Maybe it's when you were 214 00:19:37,799 --> 00:19:42,240 on my show at some other point of this. We may have talked about 215 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:48,799 this in particular. Has he ever talked about it publicly? Or is this 216 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:53,519 something he just does not want to do. Now, there's one video online 217 00:19:53,559 --> 00:20:00,880 it's hard to find where he actually dubs his own voice, so you don't 218 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,599 he didn't even want us to do that because he wanted to use software that 219 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:11,279 he knew no one could unscramble to detect who he was. So he did 220 00:20:11,319 --> 00:20:15,119 the scrambling. And there is a video of him talking about the event. 221 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:21,000 But he's never gone public, you know. And it's kind of sad that 222 00:20:21,039 --> 00:20:25,200 someone has to worry about losing their job, you know, when they see 223 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:29,200 something incredible, you know, I mean, and it may not be just 224 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:33,559 UFOs, It could be related to other things as well, right, And 225 00:20:33,599 --> 00:20:37,200 you know, when I asked him about it, because when I met with 226 00:20:37,319 --> 00:20:41,000 him, I can tell he's well off. So as he told me, 227 00:20:41,079 --> 00:20:45,759 it wasn't so much he was worried about him losing his job, right as 228 00:20:45,799 --> 00:20:51,200 it was, he did not want his engineers to lose their jobs, right 229 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:56,319 because if he lost the contracts, then his engineers lose their jobs. So 230 00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:03,039 that was his biggest concern. Yeah, yeah, so that that is really 231 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:07,079 fascinating sighting. It kind of reminds me. I don't know if you ever 232 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:11,640 heard of the one I want to say it was like Pacific Grove or something 233 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:15,240 like that, where this guy goes up in a tree did hunters the two 234 00:21:15,319 --> 00:21:21,960 hunters, and there was like this robot type of alien encounter. Have you 235 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:23,400 ever heard of that that one? You know, I may have. There's 236 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:30,119 so many different reports out there. Yeah, yeah, I mean it is. 237 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,160 Here's here's a couple of things you know, I was thinking of and 238 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:38,000 you may or may not know the answer to. But when things are coming 239 00:21:38,039 --> 00:21:42,440 in, like if we had like an asteroid coming in toward the Earth. 240 00:21:42,799 --> 00:21:48,119 You know, we have all these ways of detecting it. What about when 241 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:56,119 the crafts are supposedly we think they're coming in, are they like blinking in 242 00:21:56,119 --> 00:22:00,880 in this area if it had to do with like a type of speed for 243 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,799 them to get here, or you know, why aren't they detected in the 244 00:22:03,839 --> 00:22:10,960 outer atmosphere. So that's an excellent question, Martin. And you know, 245 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,880 in studying the UFL subject, right, there are many cases where the object 246 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,640 does not show up on radar, but there are many other cases where the 247 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:25,799 object does show up on radar. So to answer your question, I would 248 00:22:25,839 --> 00:22:34,359 suspect right that Nora ad in our because we have radar systems that look outwards 249 00:22:34,799 --> 00:22:41,759 all around the Earth and they're capable of detecting I believe, something the size 250 00:22:41,759 --> 00:22:47,359 of a baseball at five thousand miles so easy. I would think that we 251 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:52,279 could detect them. But the problem is there's two possibilities. One, either 252 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:57,160 we detect them and we don't tell anyone about it, right, so that 253 00:22:57,279 --> 00:23:03,680 all states classified. Second possibility is we don't detect them because we don't really 254 00:23:03,759 --> 00:23:07,799 look for them, right, Because if you think about it, there is 255 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:12,680 just a ton of space debris and satellites all around near Earth orbit, and 256 00:23:14,759 --> 00:23:18,960 that would make so much data that what I'm quite sure they do is they 257 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:22,400 filter it out right. So if you have an not they're looking for objects 258 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:29,599 moving in orbit, and they're looking for objects going into orbit or leaving orbit, 259 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:34,799 and those objects have a certain characteristics in terms of speed and the angles 260 00:23:34,839 --> 00:23:41,440 at which they move right, and so they probably just delete out anything that 261 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:47,759 doesn't match what they're looking for because they're looking for missiles and anything that can 262 00:23:47,799 --> 00:23:52,079 be an attack on the United States. I understand, I see it. 263 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,960 I think I've talked to someone else that said, there there's some type of 264 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:02,920 filtering system and that's why they're not uh uh, you know, really taken 265 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,119 seriously or looked at. But I mean they could change that at any time. 266 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,240 Oh, if they wanted to go look for them, they could, 267 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:14,200 yes, right, And uh it's always makes you wonder what they know, 268 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,920 you know, yeah, right. And see that's the thing in our society, 269 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:22,680 right, there's so much information they don't tell us about. That that's 270 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,000 what causes all of our conspiracy theories, because I mean it's easy to say, 271 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,720 oh, they've got to know, right, they have to know this 272 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:34,720 is happening. But but it's also possible that they don't really know because they're 273 00:24:34,759 --> 00:24:40,559 not looking. Yeah, yeah, uh, those are both possible. So 274 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:45,279 I guess I want to ask you, since you are approaching this in a 275 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:52,480 scientific way, do you think there's any outstanding cases alone that you singled out, 276 00:24:52,039 --> 00:24:56,359 you know, besides the wind you just talked about that really, need 277 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:02,880 you know some type of explanation that we can't explain? Well, I mean 278 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,240 there's a lot of cases that we can't explain, which is kind of my 279 00:25:07,319 --> 00:25:11,799 problem with the Arrow report, Right, there's so many cases and they don't 280 00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:15,759 even mention them. But I mean, just to name a few, the 281 00:25:15,799 --> 00:25:19,240 two thousand and four Knimics incident, the Faighteens, I mean, that's never 282 00:25:19,279 --> 00:25:25,720 been explained. The Stephenville case is not explained. Yaguadilla case is not explained. 283 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:36,640 I believe it's nineteen seventy three case involving a retired not a retired Army 284 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:42,039 colonel, but International Guard colonel in Ohio where they had a helicopter. It's 285 00:25:42,079 --> 00:25:47,799 called the Cohen case. The Coin incident. Yeah, I mean that's never 286 00:25:47,839 --> 00:25:55,759 been explained. The incident over at Tront I ran in nineteen seventy six with 287 00:25:55,880 --> 00:26:00,039 the F four fighters that intercept a JIT that's never been you know, explained 288 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:08,079 the RB forty seven case from nineteen fifty seven where an aircraft somewhat similar to 289 00:26:08,279 --> 00:26:22,559 modern day electronic ease electronic ease dropping type of aircraft was basically followed by a 290 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:29,079 UFO for almost two hours in the Mine Not. There's a case out of 291 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:33,559 my Not Air Force Base that involved the B fifty two and they actually it's 292 00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:40,319 still in blue book today. There's images on radar of the object that the 293 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:45,519 B fifty two detected, and from one image to the next, this object's 294 00:26:45,559 --> 00:26:49,559 on one side of the aircraft, and then in the next split second it's 295 00:26:49,559 --> 00:26:55,279 on the other side of the aircraft a mile on either side. Is that 296 00:26:55,319 --> 00:26:59,960 the one that James Fox opened up his film with the B fifty two. 297 00:27:00,039 --> 00:27:03,319 I know it was a B fifty two bomber. It flew over the field 298 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,440 below them. It was a disc that flew over. They saw it flying 299 00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:12,559 ahead of them. Yeah, now this was not a disc shaped object. 300 00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:18,839 They did see it when they flew over. They saw it landing. It 301 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:25,079 was sitting on the ground. According to the pilots and if I remember I 302 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,319 had, it was shaped like maybe you might say, half of the disc 303 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:34,279 with a kind of a more of an angular type tale, almost like what 304 00:27:34,759 --> 00:27:40,519 Kenneth Arnold. Yeah, maybe a little bit more like that than a typical 305 00:27:40,599 --> 00:27:47,039 disc. Yeah. You know, I when I do these talks sometimes I 306 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:48,799 kind of forget that, you know, there's a lot of people that are 307 00:27:48,839 --> 00:27:52,720 looking into UFOs for the first time that watched the show, and I get 308 00:27:52,759 --> 00:27:57,079 some email occasionally, So I'd like to actually, you know, explore a 309 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,799 couple of the cases that we just mentioned, if there's any of them in 310 00:28:00,839 --> 00:28:07,759 particular, you want to kind of go through kind of like the is that 311 00:28:07,839 --> 00:28:12,000 the mind not one? That one I'm kind of unfamiliar with myself. If 312 00:28:12,039 --> 00:28:15,279 you could explain that one a little more in detail. There was there's a 313 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:19,880 case and it's in the Project Blue Book files. It occurs at my not 314 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:26,720 Air Force Bace and it was October of nineteen sixty eight. And what happens 315 00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:36,079 in this case is initially the guys that run the missile silos are seeing these 316 00:28:36,279 --> 00:28:41,319 objects, and it's at night, so they cannot see the shape. They 317 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,160 just see the light from the object. And these objects are hovering outside of 318 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:49,559 a missile silo, right, and that's a major problem since these are our 319 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:56,039 nuclear missile silos. So they were caught, you know, they reported in 320 00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,799 and so so this goes on for a while during the night, and then 321 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,480 the commander of the base, there's B fifty two coming back in from a 322 00:29:03,519 --> 00:29:10,680 training exercise, so he asked the B fifty two to circle around the base 323 00:29:10,839 --> 00:29:15,319 before he lands to see if he sees anything well, and the B fifty 324 00:29:15,359 --> 00:29:22,839 two comes near this unknown object, and so the B fifty two detects it 325 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:27,480 on radar, and you can actually see the image on radar of what it's 326 00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:34,839 detecting, and it is there flying the object. They later see the object 327 00:29:36,119 --> 00:29:40,400 on the ground and so some of the guys make a drawing of what they 328 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:47,599 saw. One of the things that's been done with that case is a French 329 00:29:47,759 --> 00:29:53,359 physicist. His name was Claude Poher. He took the radar data and he 330 00:29:53,519 --> 00:30:00,480 calculated the distance the object traveled based on the time between radar sweeps, and 331 00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:04,440 I don't remember the exact G forces, but it was something over two hundred 332 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:11,720 G forces of acceleration that would have had to have occurred for that object to 333 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:17,440 have moved from one location to the next location that showed up on radar. 334 00:30:18,519 --> 00:30:23,640 That's that's pretty amazing. Yeah, I I didn't know that one in particular, 335 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,880 and that's definitely not the same one I was thinking about when I mentioned 336 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,720 James Fox opening that was. But I do believe it was a bomber, 337 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:37,359 but I just can't remember much of the detail on that. But yeah, 338 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:42,799 the G forces, that's when you're talking about, you know, just an 339 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:48,240 unexplained nineteen sixty eight. There's no way anything that we had could probably even 340 00:30:48,359 --> 00:30:53,440 survive mechanically, never mind if there was a passenger with that type of G 341 00:30:53,559 --> 00:30:59,839 force. No, nothing we had would survive two hundred G forces, right, 342 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,000 not the only thing that might survive that. It's like an artillery show 343 00:31:03,319 --> 00:31:07,920 that you fire, right. Yeah. Yeah, So yeah, that's really 344 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:14,359 something. And let's see a couple of let's just touch on one or two 345 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,880 other cases that you think are really important. Now, the tik Tak case. 346 00:31:18,039 --> 00:31:22,480 You and I have actually did a whole show on that, you know, 347 00:31:22,519 --> 00:31:26,240 and it was very well received when that first you know, came out. 348 00:31:26,359 --> 00:31:30,160 Basically that whole thing came out, and that's a fascinating one. And 349 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:34,680 I think one of the top ones with all the data in that But what 350 00:31:34,759 --> 00:31:42,279 I wanted to ask you about that particular cases. I watched Sean Kirkpatrick in 351 00:31:42,359 --> 00:31:48,440 a conference and anybody could watch it live stream. I don't know how many 352 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,920 people were watching, but anyway, he was asked from one of the journalists 353 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,319 in the audience, well, what about the two thousand and four so called 354 00:31:56,359 --> 00:32:00,440 Tiktac incident? And he was a up on the podium and he's kind of 355 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:06,039 like snickerings as well, you know, everything, all the data that we 356 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,359 have on that particular case, we're not going to look into it because all 357 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:14,079 the data you have is on YouTube. And that was the end of the 358 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,759 story. And I thought that was such a farce, you know. I 359 00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:22,000 pointed that out because first of all, the Hawkeye lands and that data bricks 360 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,039 come off and they go into the safe like they're supposed to. And then 361 00:32:24,079 --> 00:32:30,079 someone this is all purported, you know, but you know, someone possibly 362 00:32:30,119 --> 00:32:35,319 from the Air Force, landed on the ship and had them remove the captain 363 00:32:35,359 --> 00:32:38,240 meets the person down who's in charge of it, they take it out of 364 00:32:38,279 --> 00:32:43,640 the safe and those data bricks are taken away. So what do you suppose 365 00:32:43,799 --> 00:32:47,920 happens to hard data that they don't want anyone to know about. You know 366 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:54,640 that that case is the one that caused me to change my views on whether 367 00:32:54,720 --> 00:33:00,400 or not the government had some information that they're hiding, right, Because in 368 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:06,319 the past, my view has always been that no, there was no agency 369 00:33:06,359 --> 00:33:09,519 out there that was grabbing data and hiding it. Right on the UFO subject, 370 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:15,839 I just had not seen sufficient evidence. But when I investigated the Nimitz 371 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:22,160 case, I changed my mind because there's no doubt in my mind that someone 372 00:33:22,759 --> 00:33:28,720 took the data off the USS Princeton. I'm positive of that. So the 373 00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:32,599 question is who took it, right, because and they took it within twenty 374 00:33:32,599 --> 00:33:39,640 four hours of the event. So I was talking a friend to a friend 375 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:45,839 of mine who used to work in the National Security Agency in the NSA, 376 00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:49,839 and I was telling him I was trying to figure out, Okay, who 377 00:33:49,839 --> 00:33:52,920 would know this right within twenty four hours? I mean, the Navy would 378 00:33:53,000 --> 00:34:00,000 know because their carrier strike group was involved. Nor AD might know because supposedly 379 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:05,400 their radar system should have been able to detect the same thing the USS Princeton 380 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,719 detected, right, And I said, but those are the only two agencies 381 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:13,000 I could think of, And then He made a point, a good point 382 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,960 which I never thought of. He said, well, the NSA monitors our 383 00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:22,320 ongoing military operations all the time. I said, really, you mean we 384 00:34:22,039 --> 00:34:29,280 just listen in on our own people. And so that that appears to be 385 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,920 the you know, a potential answer. Right. It could be one of 386 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:37,480 the three letter agencies that came out and grabbed the data. There's there's no 387 00:34:37,519 --> 00:34:42,320 way to know for sure who it was that took the data, but we 388 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,960 know that a helicopter landed on the USS Princeton and removed the data that was 389 00:34:47,039 --> 00:34:52,239 on that ship. Mm hmm. Yeah, and that that's probably not the 390 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:58,400 only data. I mean they must have, you know, from well for 391 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,239 instance, you know, we see just this little clip, this little tiny 392 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:07,159 clip, that's all we see of this the TikTok there and then shooting off. 393 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:13,440 And people have tried to debunk that, Mickwest as all different types of 394 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:19,239 things that you know, that's pretty intriguing. For one. Yeah, the 395 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:23,599 problem with trying to you know, and Nick and I actually debated that and 396 00:35:24,639 --> 00:35:30,440 the two big the two biggest problems with with trying to say, oh that's 397 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,039 that's you know, another airplane, that's his argument, right, Another airplane, 398 00:35:34,119 --> 00:35:37,519 is what right you're looking at? Well, first, our fighter jets 399 00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:43,320 know if they're looking at another aircraft, the equipment will exactly kill them. 400 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,599 Yes, Second, that was in a military operating area. Nothing is supposed 401 00:35:46,599 --> 00:35:52,119 to be in that military operating area that the US IS Princeton wouldn't know about, 402 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:57,760 right, because they're in control of all that airspace, So that that 403 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,960 some plane just happened to be there, right, that wasn't supposed to be 404 00:36:01,039 --> 00:36:07,880 there is just a huge coincidence. And then the other thing is there are 405 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:15,719 three instances that day, within twenty four hours that indicate extreme acceleration. One 406 00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:23,199 was the video right, Two was the radar on the USS Princeton where the 407 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:30,280 radar the head of radar there indicates that the object drops in like zero point 408 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:37,519 seven eight seconds. That's extreme acceleration. And the third is Favor and Slate 409 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:44,519 And the other two pilots who see this object disappear from view from two different 410 00:36:44,519 --> 00:36:47,679 angles. One of them's up here, one of them's down here. All 411 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:54,199 four pilots say this object disappears within two seconds. So it's just some basic 412 00:36:54,239 --> 00:37:00,440 trigonometry to calculate how fast that object has to accelerate, right, to disappear 413 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:06,440 in two seconds, and even if it took four seconds or six seconds to 414 00:37:06,559 --> 00:37:14,960 disappear, the G forces required are well beyond anything we any capabilities we had, 415 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,559 because we calculated numbers that went up into the hundreds of G forces. 416 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:25,280 Right, And you know, I'm part of a group that meets most Thursdays. 417 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:30,199 Not going to be this Thursday. I don't believe or they'd be going 418 00:37:30,199 --> 00:37:36,360 without me, basically. But and it's called UAP crossfire, not UFO crossfire, 419 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:43,679 UAP crossfire. And so there's three other co hosts and they're all military 420 00:37:43,679 --> 00:37:47,199 ex military, and every single one of them they're ganging up on me. 421 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:55,360 They say they think it's a that the tic Tac incident was all our technology, 422 00:37:55,400 --> 00:38:00,960 advanced technology, and I basically argue that it just doesn't make any sense. 423 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:04,599 And if that was two thousand and four, wouldn't we know something more 424 00:38:04,599 --> 00:38:08,960 about that at this time twenty years later? But there was just so many 425 00:38:09,039 --> 00:38:15,760 characteristics in there, just totally convinced that it's our military, secret military. 426 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:22,760 There's no way that was our technology. And here's why our jets will only 427 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:28,880 stand maybe ten G forces. And that's angular, right, that's angular acceleration. 428 00:38:29,079 --> 00:38:35,039 Is their turning. What this object demonstrated was over two hundred G forces 429 00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:38,519 of linear acceleration. That means we're not even counting the angles such as straight 430 00:38:39,559 --> 00:38:47,880 direct acceleration. Our best jets that we have can maybe accelerate two G forces 431 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,320 and linear because when you hear a jet, you know, he's got on 432 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:57,960 his G suit and he's going eight eight g's, that's because he's turning and 433 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:04,519 that's causing the G forces in the craft can only handle maybe fifteen G forces 434 00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:09,800 total. But for an object to linearly accelerate it over two hundred G forces. 435 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,480 There is no Black Project. There's nothing we have that can do that, 436 00:39:14,639 --> 00:39:19,559 and anyone who thinks there is, you know, is really deluding themselves 437 00:39:19,639 --> 00:39:24,280 because that's not how science works, don't. We don't suddenly go from having 438 00:39:25,079 --> 00:39:30,239 a you know, a clipper ship out in the ocean to having a nuclear 439 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:35,599 aircraft carrier. Science comes in very small increments. We get better and better 440 00:39:35,639 --> 00:39:38,840 and better at what we do. So we don't suddenly go from a jet 441 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:45,960 that does two g's twenty years you know today, to something twenty years ago 442 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:51,239 that could do two hundred G forces. It's just yeah, I mean, 443 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:55,079 where would they and how would they hide that technology totally? That's one of 444 00:39:55,119 --> 00:40:02,000 my thoughts on that, And why haven't we seen them again, you know, 445 00:40:02,199 --> 00:40:06,159 right or many times? And the thing is, Martin, just like 446 00:40:06,199 --> 00:40:13,559 you said, there reports of objects doing that seventy years ago, right from 447 00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:16,599 pilots that said, I was looking at this object, it began to accelerate 448 00:40:16,639 --> 00:40:23,280 away one to two seconds it was gone, and then another I'll go ahead, 449 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,199 And I was going to say, if we had that ability, it 450 00:40:27,199 --> 00:40:31,039 wouldn't take us nine months to get to Mars. That's right. Yeah, 451 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:37,960 And another thing in my arguing is I say, why would they just randomly 452 00:40:38,039 --> 00:40:42,239 test that on you know, the Navy, And they said, oh, 453 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,000 that's exactly what they would do to see how they would react. But I 454 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,960 mean, you know, they didn't have any weapons on board, I don't 455 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:53,079 think. But still it doesn't make any sense. So anyway, I'm probably 456 00:40:53,079 --> 00:41:00,400 going to cut this clip out and play it while I'm on that show your 457 00:41:00,519 --> 00:41:05,719 arguments against why this can't be our own technology. And it just to me 458 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,880 it never made any sense that it would be. You know, we both 459 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:15,079 could be wrong. There's it's possible, but I think it's highly unluckily likely 460 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:20,320 and so I know that. To me, you know, I always say 461 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,000 that's one of the top cases. I really do do believe it. But 462 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:29,960 as far as data goes, would you say, there's some other ones that 463 00:41:30,199 --> 00:41:35,880 come in that have you know, a lot of serious data. Yeah. 464 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,639 Another case that has I think good data is the Stepentville case, which I 465 00:41:39,639 --> 00:41:44,800 think you and I probably talked about, right. Yeah. I was able 466 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:52,199 to get FAA radar data on that case and what in the probably to give 467 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,880 your audience a feel for what happened there. This was in January of two 468 00:41:55,920 --> 00:42:00,280 thousand and eight, and all of a sudden sudden, there were dozens of 469 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:05,880 reports coming out of Stephenville, Texas of these unknown lights that they were seeing 470 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:10,519 at night. So I drove to stephen Bill to investigate this case. And 471 00:42:10,599 --> 00:42:17,679 one of the witnesses I talked to was the constable, and I interviewed him, 472 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:24,440 got his testimony, you know, and then I ordered FAA radar data. 473 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:30,199 And when I got the radar data, the most amazing thing was that 474 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:37,719 there was radar data that supported what the constable stated to me, Because he 475 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:43,239 says, there's objects roughly two miles south of my house, and he tells 476 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,280 me the time he knows the time because his wife is watching her favorite show. 477 00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:51,239 And so I go to the radar data. I go to that time, 478 00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:55,039 and sure enough, on radar, you see this object two miles south 479 00:42:55,079 --> 00:43:00,519 of his home, and it's just barely moving, just short little ELPs from 480 00:43:00,559 --> 00:43:04,679 here to there, you know, within a mile of each other. And 481 00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,519 then the constable says, this object. Suddenly he goes in to get his 482 00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:14,440 wife to come outside, and she won't come outside because she's watching her favorite 483 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,199 TV show. She doesn't care if there's UFOs or not. She's not missing 484 00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:22,840 her show. So he comes back outside with his son, his nine year 485 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:27,920 old son. And now that these objects are no longer south of his home, 486 00:43:28,039 --> 00:43:32,000 they're directly up above, and he sees nine to eleven lights just randomly, 487 00:43:32,599 --> 00:43:38,159 just moving about in random fashion. And then suddenly the nine to eleven 488 00:43:38,519 --> 00:43:45,000 lights come together, and then in synchronous movement, they all move, as 489 00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:47,199 he described it, to the northeast at the speed of light. Now he 490 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:52,559 was being facetious by the speed, but he meant extremely fast. Okay, 491 00:43:52,599 --> 00:43:57,800 so what do I see on radar? Well, these objects that were south 492 00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:05,840 of his home Suddenly in the next radar point that I get the objects are 493 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:10,719 northeast of his home, and the time and the speed at which they were 494 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:16,440 traveling had to be a minimum speed of nineteen hundred miles an hour and an 495 00:44:16,519 --> 00:44:24,400 acceleration of nine to ten G forces minimum. And we don't have any type 496 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:30,320 of craft that can sit still like these did in the air, right, 497 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,000 because the only things that can do that are like an F thirty five or 498 00:44:34,039 --> 00:44:40,880 a helicopter and then suddenly accelerate to nineteen hundred miles an hour within ten seconds 499 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,960 and the G forces that are around nine G forces. Amazing? Now, 500 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:53,320 wasn't am I getting this case correct? Did have anything to do with the 501 00:44:54,719 --> 00:45:04,119 ranch? The Bush ranch? Yeah, there was another object at the same 502 00:45:04,159 --> 00:45:07,639 time. There were a couple of objects. One was the one I just 503 00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:15,719 described. There's another one that was moving south and it was moving directly towards 504 00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:19,960 the George Bush's ranch. This was back in two thousand and eight when he 505 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,280 was president, and so that's where he would stay when he wasn't at the 506 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:28,639 White House. Now on this particular day, he was not there, but 507 00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:34,159 no matter what, there is a three and a half mile no fly zone 508 00:45:34,639 --> 00:45:39,480 around that ranch. So this object is moving towards there and I have one 509 00:45:39,559 --> 00:45:45,679 hundred and forty radar hits on this object. It's moving slowly towards the bush 510 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:51,760 ranch, and I can see the F sixteens all during this time because there's 511 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:59,320 F sixteens in the sky, not they're doing routine maneuvers into a military operating 512 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:07,280 area that they're there, and yet they don't do anything to intercept this object 513 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:14,199 that's moving there. And I find two witnesses who live within two miles of 514 00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:19,320 the bush ranch who were and I went and interviewed them personally, and they 515 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:23,599 described an object that they saw that moved over the bush ranch and then suddenly 516 00:46:23,679 --> 00:46:30,559 accelerated at high speed and it's gone within one to two seconds. That is 517 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:35,039 There's a couple of things that I want to say about just kind of get 518 00:46:35,039 --> 00:46:42,000 your opinion. Always seems like people talk about and I've interviewed people from everyday 519 00:46:42,039 --> 00:46:45,440 life that have talked about, you know, their encounter, and they all 520 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:51,280 say the same thing. It shoots off. It shoots off like faster than 521 00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:55,480 they've ever seen shoots off. I think that's really kind of unusual that it 522 00:46:55,559 --> 00:47:00,960 seems like that's a typical thing that you hear about. I want to almost 523 00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:05,559 say most encounters. The thing was going very slow and all of a sudden 524 00:47:05,559 --> 00:47:12,199 it shoots off. Yeah. Yeah, it's just that's exactly how Lieutenant Commander 525 00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:19,079 Slate, who was the second command on the USS Princeton F eighteen Squadron, 526 00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:22,719 is when that object took the tic TAC took off. He said, it's 527 00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:28,159 like you shot it out of a gun. It was gone. It's so 528 00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,679 bizarre. Now there's one other thing on that Stephenville case, in the Bush 529 00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:37,360 Ranch incident that I don't think I've told you before, and this is something 530 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:43,480 I found out within the last two years, was Jay Stratton, who was 531 00:47:43,519 --> 00:47:50,440 the head of the UAP Task Force. He has told me this, as 532 00:47:50,519 --> 00:47:59,239 has Chris Mellon that Jay interviewed some of the pilots of those that sixteen's right, 533 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:04,360 because they had read our report on the Stegenbelt case and so he wanted 534 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:08,039 to get first hand information from the pilots. All the pilots refused to speak 535 00:48:08,079 --> 00:48:14,679 to him, even though he has a top secret clearance right head in the 536 00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:19,559 UP Task Force, he couldn't get them to talk to him. That is, 537 00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,719 I wonder why were they? I wonder if they were threatened or something, 538 00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,920 or why would they you know, it doesn't even know. I mean, 539 00:48:27,159 --> 00:48:30,000 even though you may have a top secret clearance, that doesn't mean you 540 00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:36,920 have the right to know on a given incident, right, So you have 541 00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,559 to you have to have a right to know to be able to do that. 542 00:48:39,679 --> 00:48:46,440 So that's probably why they didn't tell him anything about it. And another 543 00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:51,280 thing that people ask me a lot, and I don't know if you've ever 544 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:55,719 heard this question, but why the lights? Oh yeah, yeah, no, 545 00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:59,920 I wonder that myself, Martin. I mean, why the light? 546 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:01,679 That's what do you need the lights for? You're talking about on the UFOs 547 00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:07,000 R, Yes, correct, Yeah. So my best guess is that it's 548 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:14,119 just part of their propulsion system and it's just a side effect. I doubt 549 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:22,119 that there is intention with the lights, unless they just do it to help, 550 00:49:22,119 --> 00:49:24,639 you know, let's they say, oh, let's not let those earthlings 551 00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:30,119 accidentally crash into us or something like that, so they turn on lights. 552 00:49:30,159 --> 00:49:37,960 But I suspect it's just a artifact of their propulsion systems. And you know, 553 00:49:38,039 --> 00:49:42,159 I mean, this is just the thought a lot of you know, 554 00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,199 the tic tac is is different, but a lot of the sightings seem to 555 00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:51,920 be at night time and I'm wondering if it's just because we see the lights 556 00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,960 at night when normally, you know, nothing may draw our attention to the 557 00:49:55,000 --> 00:50:00,840 sky during the day, unless we saw a quick movement or something like that, 558 00:50:01,119 --> 00:50:07,840 right, And that is probably the bulk of the answer to that question. 559 00:50:07,599 --> 00:50:13,239 Take, for example, the planet Venus. Right during the daytime. 560 00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:19,400 It's possible if you know exactly where Venus is and it's not in the know 561 00:50:19,559 --> 00:50:23,519 the brightest time of the day, but say maybe around five o'clock or something 562 00:50:23,639 --> 00:50:27,639 like that, if you know where it is, you can barely make it 563 00:50:27,679 --> 00:50:31,360 out. But if it was nighttime, it just stands out like a bright 564 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:35,119 diamond, right. I mean, there's no way you're going to miss it. 565 00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:40,000 Same thing with an aircraft. An aircraft that's fifteen miles away at nighttime, 566 00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:45,559 you're going to see because of the light on the aircraft. But in 567 00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:50,079 the daytime, it's just going to be a spec in the sky and unless 568 00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,159 your eyes were focused for some reason right on that spec, you're not going 569 00:50:53,199 --> 00:50:59,480 to see it all right, So just switching gears a little bit. You 570 00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:05,920 I recorded with you about the aa r O report that came out, and 571 00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,400 you basically had a lot of really good points that and I'd like for you 572 00:51:08,519 --> 00:51:16,559 to just talk about the scientific evidence that they There's no example, there's nothing 573 00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:21,159 like you make an analogy. I want. I want to talk about that, 574 00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:23,880 but also I want to ask you, do you have any high hopes 575 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:30,639 at all for the second report, which is the historic report? The same 576 00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,840 for their second report. I mean, the first report was so horrible. 577 00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,159 I don't know what why the first The second report would be any better, 578 00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:45,159 right, it would almost be like in in college. I'm a professor, 579 00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,800 It's like, Okay, I just got a paper for my d A student. 580 00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:52,679 I'm giving him a D minus. It's so bad. I don't anticipate 581 00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:59,000 his next report is going to be much better. And your analogy, if 582 00:51:59,039 --> 00:52:04,760 you would, you made this analogy about looking for Earth like planets. Well, 583 00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,159 we have to have science. So what was their science and their conclusion 584 00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:14,719 that there is no signs of extraterrestrial I believe, yeah, I mean the 585 00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:19,360 main thrust of their paper, right, And let me say, the purpose 586 00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,960 of their paper was not supposed to be about this. Congress gave them why 587 00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:27,239 that paper was supposed to be written, and that paper was to have been 588 00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:31,679 written to look at the history of UFOs from nineteen forty five to modern day. 589 00:52:32,639 --> 00:52:39,519 Their job doing that was extremely poor. What they focused on was trying 590 00:52:39,559 --> 00:52:47,159 to make the point that there is no evidence of extraterrestrial intelligence. Right. 591 00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:52,079 But in science, if you're going to make that statement, you have to 592 00:52:52,159 --> 00:52:58,159 define what is the evidence you're looking for, right, And they never do 593 00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:05,519 that. So you can't claim there is or is not extraterrestrial intelligence evidence of 594 00:53:05,559 --> 00:53:08,840 it until you define what is the evidence you're looking for, right, I 595 00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,480 mean, are you looking for a dead body? Are you looking for a 596 00:53:12,519 --> 00:53:15,800 crash spacecraft? Well, I mean, if that's the evidence they were looking 597 00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:19,360 for now, they'll probably never find it evidence of it, right, But 598 00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:24,440 if you're looking for extreme acceleration, that evidence already exists today. Yeah, 599 00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:28,360 that's right. Well we're right at the end of the show. Thank you 600 00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,880 so much. Here's the book, UFO as a Scientist Explains what we know 601 00:53:32,039 --> 00:53:38,599 and don't know. Love it and always enjoy you as a guest very much. 602 00:53:39,199 --> 00:53:45,239 And so we'll be back next week with Mike Fiorioto. And again I'm 603 00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:50,400 going to be at this conference, so you may be seeing some clips from 604 00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,119 me there. Thank you so much. Robert, always a lot of fun, 605 00:53:53,159 --> 00:53:55,800 to talk to you. Thank you, Martin. I enjoyed our conversation 606 00:53:55,920 --> 00:54:02,559 again, yes you bet, and so again we'll be next back next week 607 00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:07,320 at the regular time and everything. You probably see some clips if you're watching 608 00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:12,239 online. And thank you Robert, take care, thank you, bye all 609 00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:36,159 right, and remember to keep your eyes to the sky.