WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.399 --> 00:00:11.880 It's the Lockdown Podcast Network, your team every day. Damian Parson here, 2 00:00:12.039 --> 00:00:16.120 co host of the Locked On NFL Draft podcast, join Keith Sanchez and me 3 00:00:16.480 --> 00:00:21.559 for Mock Draft Monday. We'll tell you which college football stars your team will 4 00:00:21.600 --> 00:00:26.039 be taking in the twenty twenty four NFL Draft. Check out Mock Draft Monday 5 00:00:26.239 --> 00:00:32.240 on the Locked On NFL Draft podcast, available wherever you get podcasts. The 6 00:00:32.320 --> 00:00:36.640 Cincinnati Bengals need a new offensive coordinator. Let's talk about the latest and what 7 00:00:36.719 --> 00:00:41.439 the requirements will be for the Bengals to fill that job. You are Locked 8 00:00:41.479 --> 00:00:47.520 On Bengals, your daily Cincinnati Bengals podcast, part of the Locked On podcast 9 00:00:47.600 --> 00:01:07.840 Network. Your team every day, Bengals fans and welcome to another episode of 10 00:01:07.879 --> 00:01:11.680 the Lockdown Bengals Podcast. I'm Jake Lisco, He's James Rapine. We are 11 00:01:11.920 --> 00:01:15.319 the Locked On Bengals Podcast. You can find the show on YouTube or anywhere 12 00:01:15.359 --> 00:01:19.680 you get your podcast. Part of the Locked On podcast network, covering your 13 00:01:19.680 --> 00:01:23.120 team every day. In this episode brought to you by Prize Picks, where 14 00:01:23.159 --> 00:01:26.959 we're going to talk more about the Bengals future at offensive coordinator. Prize Picks 15 00:01:26.040 --> 00:01:29.719 is the easiest and most exciting way to play daily fantasy sports. Go to 16 00:01:29.760 --> 00:01:33.400 Prize picks dot com, slash locked on NFL and use promo code locked on 17 00:01:33.519 --> 00:01:38.680 NFL to get a first positive match up to one hundred dollars and James, 18 00:01:38.680 --> 00:01:42.480 we welcome in everyone who makes us out there first. Listen, everyone who's 19 00:01:42.480 --> 00:01:47.040 in every Day you probably caught the two episodes yesterday if you're in every Day's. 20 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:51.959 We got the late news that Brian Callahan will be coaching the Tennessee Titans, 21 00:01:52.799 --> 00:02:00.280 and the presumed successor, Dan Pitcher, probably working his way through the 22 00:02:00.319 --> 00:02:05.079 offensive coordinator process potentially with a number of teams. Think he's still the first 23 00:02:05.159 --> 00:02:07.039 choice for the Bengals, but the Bengals do have a process to go through. 24 00:02:07.080 --> 00:02:12.039 Here, no doubt in he is their first choice. I would be 25 00:02:12.080 --> 00:02:14.639 shocked if he wasn't. If you want to call him the front runner, 26 00:02:14.960 --> 00:02:17.719 call him that because that's what he is. But he has options. And 27 00:02:19.479 --> 00:02:22.599 Dan Pitcher didn't know for sure that Brian Callahan was going to get a head 28 00:02:22.599 --> 00:02:25.520 coaching job, and so he had to do his due diligence like he did 29 00:02:25.639 --> 00:02:30.439 last year with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And it turns out that NFL teams 30 00:02:30.479 --> 00:02:35.400 are impressed when you not only help Joe Burrow become the quarterback that he's become, 31 00:02:35.759 --> 00:02:38.120 but you helped Jake brown And go four and three down the stretch and 32 00:02:38.319 --> 00:02:44.319 post historic numbers over his first four starts and help the Bengals win three straight 33 00:02:44.360 --> 00:02:47.719 games. All of the above, right, Dan Pitcher's it's risen. His 34 00:02:47.840 --> 00:02:51.879 profile has risen this year. What he was able to do with Burrow goes 35 00:02:51.879 --> 00:02:55.520 without saying, but obviously what he did with Jake Browning. And I think 36 00:02:55.599 --> 00:03:00.560 Zach Taylor deserves credit too, because he hasn't shied away whether it's Brian Callahan 37 00:03:00.680 --> 00:03:05.759 or Dan Pitcher when we ask about them, when asked about, oh, 38 00:03:05.840 --> 00:03:09.400 how valuable is Brian or how valuable is his pitch? He gives so much 39 00:03:09.400 --> 00:03:13.039 credit to those guys. And I don't think it's lip service. I think 40 00:03:13.039 --> 00:03:17.680 it's how he genuinely feels. So now that Brian is Nashville bound and I'm 41 00:03:17.680 --> 00:03:23.240 sure that'll become official at some point this week, and hob he announced and 42 00:03:23.280 --> 00:03:27.719 we'll see him in blue and all of those things, well, Dan Pitchers 43 00:03:27.840 --> 00:03:31.639 is the focus for this Bengals organization. I have no doubt about that. 44 00:03:31.759 --> 00:03:36.360 But to your point there is a process. They're not just going to hire 45 00:03:36.360 --> 00:03:40.360 a pitcher. They'll conduct multiple interviews. And at the same time, I 46 00:03:40.439 --> 00:03:46.479 still think Dan Pitcher, it's his job. I don't even want to say 47 00:03:46.520 --> 00:03:50.960 to lose because we can get into the scenarios of how he doesn't become Bengals 48 00:03:51.000 --> 00:03:54.800 offensive coordinator. But he's certainly the favorite for that job. I think thing 49 00:03:54.879 --> 00:03:59.319 is his job. To lose is fair Like if he doesn't want it, 50 00:03:59.360 --> 00:04:01.759 that count is a way he would lose it. I think that does he 51 00:04:01.919 --> 00:04:05.319 have to go? Does he lose it if he picks somewhere else? I 52 00:04:05.360 --> 00:04:09.680 don't think that. I feel like that. I mean it's his job, 53 00:04:09.919 --> 00:04:14.680 right like if he wants the job. The Bengals, I think want him 54 00:04:14.680 --> 00:04:17.879 to be the offensive coordinator. Zach Taylor wants him to be the Bengals tax 55 00:04:17.920 --> 00:04:20.720 offensive coordinator. I think that's the point that I was trying to make in 56 00:04:21.079 --> 00:04:26.199 retorts there. Sure, what do you think it comes down to? Then 57 00:04:26.480 --> 00:04:30.000 they stop some other interviews. We can get into the process part, the 58 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:34.519 behind the scenes. What's your biggest thought here concern? Because I have one 59 00:04:34.600 --> 00:04:38.639 and I want to know if you feel the same way. I think the 60 00:04:38.680 --> 00:04:44.000 two I think there's two, one more than the other, one a little 61 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:47.160 bit more nebulous than the other. But one that is very obvious is money. 62 00:04:47.319 --> 00:04:53.759 The other one that I think is also fairly obvious is responsibility in terms 63 00:04:53.800 --> 00:04:59.360 of specifically play calling, which has been discussed quite a bit. We've talked 64 00:04:59.399 --> 00:05:01.319 about it on this podcast as well. Does dam Pitcher want to call plays? 65 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:04.959 Probably? Yes, probably, if you're going to be an offensive coordinator 66 00:05:05.000 --> 00:05:09.639 in the NFL, you would prefer to call plays given the option. But 67 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:15.040 it's not necessarily as simple as just that. You also have to think about 68 00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:20.639 the opportunity. After you've seen your former boss Brian Callahan get a head coaching 69 00:05:20.759 --> 00:05:25.959 job, and your trajectory, what's going to give you the best coach, 70 00:05:26.120 --> 00:05:30.040 the best chance of becoming a head coach? If that is Dan Pitcher's goal, 71 00:05:30.040 --> 00:05:31.519 what you would imagine it is. For many of these coaches in the 72 00:05:31.639 --> 00:05:35.839 NFL, the opportunity to be a head coach of an NFL team is an 73 00:05:35.879 --> 00:05:40.720 ultimate lifelong dream and that's where they want to be. That's the top of 74 00:05:40.759 --> 00:05:44.160 the mountain, and then taking your team to success as a head coach obviously 75 00:05:44.199 --> 00:05:46.600 after that. But those are the factors that I have to imagine are in 76 00:05:46.680 --> 00:05:53.279 play for Dan Pitcher if it is as simple as he's making a choice and 77 00:05:53.560 --> 00:05:56.959 has a few teams to choose from, because we know now officially reported, 78 00:05:56.959 --> 00:06:00.480 we've hinted at it and talked about the Patriots, certainly, but in addition 79 00:06:00.519 --> 00:06:03.120 to New Orleans, who wants him for a second interview, scheduled to fly 80 00:06:03.240 --> 00:06:08.600 to Vegas, scheduled to meet with the Patriots. Probably by the time you've 81 00:06:08.600 --> 00:06:12.480 listened to this, he's met with the Patriots. So there are other teams 82 00:06:12.519 --> 00:06:16.319 interested in the services, and the Bengals are competing with some teams that don't 83 00:06:16.360 --> 00:06:23.480 necessarily offer the same you know, offensive personnel in terms of they don't have 84 00:06:23.600 --> 00:06:27.199 Joe Burrow, but could offer other things to try to pry him away. 85 00:06:27.920 --> 00:06:30.639 Yeah, it's it's interesting because the money factor. It's simple. If Zach 86 00:06:30.680 --> 00:06:33.879 Taylor values him the way I think he does, if Joe Burrow values him 87 00:06:34.160 --> 00:06:41.240 the way I think Joe Burrow does, well, then why why wouldn't the 88 00:06:41.279 --> 00:06:46.199 Bengals be willing to get close or figure out money wise how to make it 89 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:51.759 work. I think that part's easy right in the At the same time, 90 00:06:51.879 --> 00:06:56.399 the Bengals are probably like, well, this is a hot job a job? 91 00:06:56.639 --> 00:06:59.279 No, no, no, The money part shouldn't be a factor. 92 00:06:59.399 --> 00:07:04.560 They have the money for it, and so money was mine and that would 93 00:07:04.600 --> 00:07:08.720 be the one thing that to me cannot be the hang up. We can 94 00:07:08.720 --> 00:07:11.759 get into the play calling in a second. But if I'm not saying we 95 00:07:11.839 --> 00:07:15.079 found this out or we will find this out. But let's say the Raiders 96 00:07:15.079 --> 00:07:17.399 off fer am one point five million per whatever, and I don't know if 97 00:07:17.399 --> 00:07:19.639 that's the case, I have no idea, But let's just say, let's 98 00:07:19.639 --> 00:07:23.000 just say it's a million. Let's make it easier, and the Bengals are 99 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:26.240 at seven hundred thousand dollars, Well, then just go to the million and 100 00:07:26.240 --> 00:07:30.439 get your guy. Because Zach loves him and Joe loves them. It's pretty 101 00:07:30.480 --> 00:07:35.199 easy to me. And yet we'll see, right Jake, if that's the 102 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:42.560 hang up or not. There is a process, And like we talked about, 103 00:07:42.600 --> 00:07:45.920 there are all these factors out there play calling. Is that a big 104 00:07:45.959 --> 00:07:47.920 deal for Dan Pitcher. Maybe we'll find out about that eventually, maybe not. 105 00:07:48.680 --> 00:07:53.879 Maybe the Bengals will will budge there, maybe not. But you're right, 106 00:07:53.920 --> 00:07:58.959 if it's money and that's the difference, just do it. It can't 107 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:01.560 be that's the one thing that isn't acceptable. I want to get into the 108 00:08:01.560 --> 00:08:07.519 play calling part because I think that there's that's more interesting. Yeah, because 109 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:13.279 if Dan Pitcher is demanding play calling duties, I have some thoughts on it. 110 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:16.839 That's all. But curveball, we didn't plan this. I pulled a 111 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:20.600 clip from Joe Burrow of Joe Burrow discussing Dan Pitcher. Should we toss to 112 00:08:20.680 --> 00:08:26.759 it? We shall? It seems like you've got a really good relationship with 113 00:08:26.839 --> 00:08:31.439 a pitcher. With Dan Pitcher, guys have similar personalities. Is that true? 114 00:08:31.639 --> 00:08:33.440 Yeah? I would say that, and I think that's why we messed 115 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:37.840 so well in the meeting room and on the sideline. We have a great 116 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:41.639 working relationship. And you know, really, I say this all the time, 117 00:08:41.639 --> 00:08:45.600 but I couldn't ask for a better group of coaches for my skill set 118 00:08:45.600 --> 00:08:50.879 and for what I do. That's Joe Burrow or ahead of the AFC Championship 119 00:08:50.919 --> 00:08:54.519 game January twenty seventh last year, ahead of the game against the Chiefs. 120 00:08:54.559 --> 00:09:00.440 Clearly he's on board with Dan Pitcher and likes how Pitcher has helped him development. 121 00:09:00.919 --> 00:09:03.639 That's the quote that I referenced in our bonus episode. But better to 122 00:09:03.679 --> 00:09:05.399 hear it, of course from Joe Burrow directly than to hear it from me. 123 00:09:05.679 --> 00:09:09.159 I think we can all agree on that without much debate. A lot 124 00:09:09.200 --> 00:09:13.240 more to talk about, I think around the future of the Bengals OC position, 125 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:18.200 some other coaches that some fans are excited about the requirements that the Bengals 126 00:09:18.519 --> 00:09:24.200 have to meet in order to actually make a higher at OC and potentially quarterbacks 127 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:28.879 coach as well, So we can continue that conversation coming up next. Today's 128 00:09:28.919 --> 00:09:33.360 show is brought to you by Prize Picks. 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Should we talk about those and 155 00:11:28.279 --> 00:11:33.080 some of the people that some fans in particular, I think I've seen quite 156 00:11:33.120 --> 00:11:37.279 a bit of chatter on social media about in the last twelve to twenty four 157 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:43.159 hours since Brian Callahan was poached away by the Tennessee Titans. Where do you 158 00:11:43.159 --> 00:11:50.039 want to go? Real quick? There's a scenario where if I'm the Bengals, 159 00:11:50.039 --> 00:11:54.960 I tell Dan no if the numbers are the same money wise, but 160 00:11:54.039 --> 00:12:01.080 he's demanding to call plays, I would say I'm good and Zach, I'll 161 00:12:01.080 --> 00:12:05.200 tight call his bluff and also be comfortable with letting Dan leave because Dan could 162 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:11.480 be awesome. And this is nothing personal, but the Bengals offensive coordinator job, 163 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:15.360 regardless of who's calling plays, is one of the best jobs in the 164 00:12:15.440 --> 00:12:18.919 league when it comes to getting a shot at becoming a next head coach. 165 00:12:20.159 --> 00:12:22.639 That is a better job than the Raiders' offensive coordinator job. I don't care 166 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:24.960 if you're calling plays. I don't care if you're setting schedules. I don't 167 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:28.360 care what you're doing. I don't care if they give you a Lambeau to 168 00:12:28.480 --> 00:12:31.120 drive to practice every day. It doesn't matter. It's not as good of 169 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:37.279 a job. And we heard why about oh three minutes ago, Joe Burrow. 170 00:12:37.279 --> 00:12:39.399 We heard from him, right, Joe Burrow. There's no Joe Burrow 171 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:41.759 in New England. They might have a top pick. Okay, that's fine, 172 00:12:41.840 --> 00:12:46.200 It's still there's a lot of risk there. There's a lot of risk. 173 00:12:46.240 --> 00:12:48.320 Move in your family to Vegas. Then Pitcher could stay right here, 174 00:12:48.879 --> 00:12:52.360 assuming the money's the same enough, the money is different. I'm not counting 175 00:12:52.360 --> 00:12:56.440 your pockets, I get it. But from a play calling standpoint, there's 176 00:12:56.480 --> 00:13:00.840 as much risk as there is reward. With that ask I ask the Eagles 177 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:05.399 offensive coordinator Brian Johnson how quickly those things can change their stability here if the 178 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:11.240 money's the same. I mean on the Bengals, I wouldn't necessarily give Dan 179 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:15.360 Pitcher the play calling duties unless Zach decides he wants to do that anyways, 180 00:13:15.799 --> 00:13:18.960 but I wouldn't do that to keep him here. I think that's too much. 181 00:13:18.480 --> 00:13:22.679 That's interesting. I wonder how much of a how much they feel that 182 00:13:22.720 --> 00:13:26.279 way. I think that they may really value Pitcher and may be willing to 183 00:13:26.320 --> 00:13:30.919 do that to keep him, just because it would mean that there's this coach 184 00:13:30.960 --> 00:13:35.080 that they really like, that they've developed, that they've seen grow into the 185 00:13:35.200 --> 00:13:39.799 role he's in right now, where he is a very in demand offensive coordinator 186 00:13:39.879 --> 00:13:43.399 and or very in demand candidate for offensive coordinator jobs. I guess we should 187 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:48.600 say, maybe that's something that they're willing to consider, maybe not. Maybe 188 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:52.240 to your point, Zach Taylor says, I'm going to do it. This 189 00:13:52.320 --> 00:13:56.799 is a great job. I feel like I can replace with any number of 190 00:13:56.960 --> 00:14:00.720 very valuable candidates. And the Bengals well go through an interview process we keep 191 00:14:00.720 --> 00:14:05.200 alluding to they're required to, in fact, and so maybe they feel that 192 00:14:05.240 --> 00:14:09.799 way, maybe not. We'll find out, likely very soon about some of 193 00:14:09.840 --> 00:14:15.080 these questions. I just think it's interesting, and yeah, there's also the 194 00:14:15.159 --> 00:14:18.320 question of whether or not that would be good, whether or not you know, 195 00:14:18.440 --> 00:14:20.440 you talk about potential growing pains as a pit play caller, and on 196 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:24.320 the other hand, you talk about potentially changing it up and some benefits that 197 00:14:24.360 --> 00:14:30.200 could come from a different primary play caller. There's two sides of that, 198 00:14:31.159 --> 00:14:35.440 no doubt, and so I tried to choose my words very carefully there not 199 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:39.159 to you, but just to be clear, I would not if I'm Zach 200 00:14:39.200 --> 00:14:43.200 Taylor give up play calling to keep Dan Pitcher if that's the reason you're doing 201 00:14:43.279 --> 00:14:45.799 it. If the reason you're doing it is because you think that it's going 202 00:14:45.840 --> 00:14:48.440 to make the team better and potentially raise the level of the offense and help 203 00:14:48.519 --> 00:14:52.720 you become a better head coach and help the team because you think Dan is 204 00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:56.399 just this awesome play call, like potential play call, like if you think 205 00:14:56.480 --> 00:15:01.840 the upside is there. That's different than a you know, Dad coming to 206 00:15:01.879 --> 00:15:03.399 the table saying, Hey, the Raiders are giving me play calling duties and 207 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:05.919 X amount of money. You're giving me X amount of money, but I 208 00:15:05.919 --> 00:15:09.639 want play calling duties or I'm leaving. It's one of those burrows in this 209 00:15:09.720 --> 00:15:13.240 building song. That's all. That's all I said. It's one of those 210 00:15:13.240 --> 00:15:18.679 things where Pitcher has a leverage to ask for it, right, And while 211 00:15:18.879 --> 00:15:22.559 that shouldn't You're right, shouldn't be bullied into it or anything like that. 212 00:15:22.639 --> 00:15:24.919 If your tailor and you're thinking about the upside, like you just said, 213 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:28.879 and you come to the conclusion that, oh, yeah, well, then 214 00:15:28.919 --> 00:15:33.360 I can you know, focus more on these other things instead of having to 215 00:15:33.360 --> 00:15:35.879 think about play calling. That's something that I can delegate that will free me 216 00:15:35.960 --> 00:15:39.039 up to do other things better. And I think Pitcher will be really good 217 00:15:39.080 --> 00:15:41.600 at it. It's just an opportunity to think about it, right, It's 218 00:15:41.600 --> 00:15:48.200 an opportunity to entertain the possibility and then if you reach that conclusion, because 219 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:52.519 that's the only way it happens. I don't think that that would be just, 220 00:15:52.759 --> 00:15:54.679 you know, a blackmail kind of thing, like, hey man, 221 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:56.840 I'm going to leave you don't give me play calling, right, Like, 222 00:15:58.120 --> 00:16:00.600 I don't think that would play I don't think that would be a healthy environment 223 00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:07.120 for your OC head coach relationship going forward. But it's just you know, 224 00:16:07.159 --> 00:16:11.799 you sit back and you think about it when presented with that argument, and 225 00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:15.279 then maybe you come to that conclusion like you said, sure, yeah, 226 00:16:15.360 --> 00:16:21.279 And it's an interesting dilemma for sure. And I think we both know Zach 227 00:16:21.320 --> 00:16:22.919 Taylor doesn't want to lose both these guys, and he lost one of them, 228 00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:26.279 so and you know who else knows that Dan Pitcher does that? So 229 00:16:26.320 --> 00:16:30.720 it's just an interesting dynamic and it is business, the business side of it. 230 00:16:32.240 --> 00:16:36.320 So we'll see there. But to your point, there are a lot 231 00:16:36.360 --> 00:16:40.840 of names being thrown out there as far as is that where you wanted to 232 00:16:40.879 --> 00:16:45.639 go? The Brady scenario, oh Man, People on social media talking about 233 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:48.840 Joe Brady a couple of things. He's still the offensive coordinator of the Bills, 234 00:16:48.080 --> 00:16:52.639 and I know he has that interim tag. But unless there's some kind 235 00:16:52.679 --> 00:16:57.759 of sign of them wanting to move on from him and or Sean McDermott, 236 00:16:59.120 --> 00:17:00.759 you think Joe Brady's going to just say, oh, well, I'm the 237 00:17:00.799 --> 00:17:04.799 interim right now, but I'm gonna leave even though I have a real shot 238 00:17:04.839 --> 00:17:08.640 to be the OC here and I'm going to be the OC here. That's 239 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:14.039 where he probably knows he's going to be to not call plays or even call 240 00:17:14.079 --> 00:17:17.720 plays, let's say in Cincinnati. Like I just it is so pie in 241 00:17:17.759 --> 00:17:22.279 the sky, unrealistic. And it's because Brady is in Buffalo with Josh Allen. 242 00:17:22.759 --> 00:17:25.759 This isn't the Raiders OC job. It's a real OC job, a 243 00:17:25.799 --> 00:17:29.000 good job, and so I think unless there's a real shake up to that 244 00:17:29.039 --> 00:17:30.799 staff in Buffalo, I don't think he'll be available, and it's not like 245 00:17:30.839 --> 00:17:36.359 the Bengals could just request him right now because he is an OC so they 246 00:17:36.400 --> 00:17:40.880 couldn't bring him in right now. And so I think it's a lot of 247 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:45.960 unrealistic thoughts, even though I do get it because Joe Brady's interesting, but 248 00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:48.839 I just don't think he's available. I don't think he's available either. The 249 00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:52.759 one interview request we've seen for Joe Brady was for a head coaching job. 250 00:17:52.880 --> 00:17:56.000 Yep, the Atlanta Falcons wanted to talk to Joe Brady about being a head 251 00:17:56.000 --> 00:18:03.200 coach. So if he becomes available and he becomes somebody who's just a free 252 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:06.200 agent, OCEE, sure he should be one of the guys you interview. 253 00:18:06.720 --> 00:18:11.039 Absolutely, but I agree with you that it doesn't seem like he is available, 254 00:18:11.079 --> 00:18:14.680 and if he is available, it seems like he's available for head coaching 255 00:18:14.759 --> 00:18:18.039 jobs, because that's the only thing that we've seen. So I don't know 256 00:18:18.079 --> 00:18:23.640 the legality. I don't know if there's protections around interim tags or if it's 257 00:18:25.519 --> 00:18:27.839 something you're allowed to request. I mean, I think you can request it, 258 00:18:27.880 --> 00:18:33.359 the bills could deny it, and that's that's the element of this, 259 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:38.279 is the Bills could deny it. You can't deny picture like a promotion, 260 00:18:38.960 --> 00:18:47.839 promotion correct from the promotion. So I think it's unrealistic because and who knows, 261 00:18:47.880 --> 00:18:51.119 maybe the Bills are fed up with Joe Brady after eight games or whatever 262 00:18:51.160 --> 00:18:55.519 it is. But unless they fire McDermott, don't we think Brady's probably staying 263 00:18:55.519 --> 00:19:00.440 there makes sense to minded head coach. And they elevated Joe Brady for reason. 264 00:19:00.720 --> 00:19:03.960 Yeah, and even if Brady were to become a free agent coach, 265 00:19:04.079 --> 00:19:07.279 he's going to be looking for an opportunity to continue to call plays, I 266 00:19:07.319 --> 00:19:15.759 think, And there's your element a similar argument around Dan Pitcher, like I 267 00:19:15.759 --> 00:19:18.240 can work with Joe Burrow again, but Zach's calling the plays or you know 268 00:19:18.279 --> 00:19:22.599 how important is that to Joe Brady. People might be lining up to throw 269 00:19:22.599 --> 00:19:26.799 money at Joe Brady, Like I said, he's getting He got a head 270 00:19:26.839 --> 00:19:30.759 coaching interview with the Atlanta Falcons after the Atlanta Falcons talked to Bill Belichick for 271 00:19:30.799 --> 00:19:33.839 the second time. So maybe it's just not going very well with Bill Belichick 272 00:19:34.240 --> 00:19:38.319 in Atlanta. But they're looking, they're they're casting a wide net in Atlanta. 273 00:19:38.319 --> 00:19:44.160 And if you're getting considered her head coaching jobs taking an OC job instead. 274 00:19:44.200 --> 00:19:47.000 Very you can't call plays potentially, I don't know. So the Bengals 275 00:19:47.000 --> 00:19:49.720 explored if he's available, Yes, is he available? I doubt it. 276 00:19:51.319 --> 00:19:53.400 That's and that's what I keep coming back to. If he is available, 277 00:19:53.440 --> 00:19:56.160 interview him, even with Pitcher, interview him. 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Exclusions apply. eBay Guaranteed Fit only available to US customers. 294 00:21:10.079 --> 00:21:15.680 The Raiders going after Marvin Lewis's old Bengals coaches. Marvin Lewis hired Alex Van 295 00:21:15.759 --> 00:21:19.680 Pelt in twenty eighteen. That's a good coach. I think he's a good 296 00:21:19.720 --> 00:21:25.400 coach. Yeah, I mean we were pretty happy about that hire for the 297 00:21:25.440 --> 00:21:29.839 Bengals back in twenty eighteen. He was exact for a little bit. Zach 298 00:21:29.920 --> 00:21:33.720 kept him for a year before he was hired away by the Cleveland Browns to 299 00:21:33.759 --> 00:21:37.799 be their offensive coordinator or was the quarterbacks coach there first? Yeah, No, 300 00:21:37.920 --> 00:21:45.279 offensive coordinator was initial hire for Kevin Stefanski and Cleveland, so Raiders looking 301 00:21:45.359 --> 00:21:48.720 at some of Marvin's old friends. Marvin Lewis of course said to be part 302 00:21:48.799 --> 00:21:56.039 of that staff with Antonio Pierce. But the Bengals have some requirements to meet 303 00:21:56.200 --> 00:22:00.880 before they are allowed to make an official higher at offensive coordinator. This would 304 00:22:00.880 --> 00:22:06.599 also apply to quarterbacks coach, I believe, But for coordinator positions in the 305 00:22:06.720 --> 00:22:08.759 NFL, the Rooney Rule does apply. It was expanded in twenty twenty one 306 00:22:08.799 --> 00:22:12.000 and potentially further since then. If you look at the operations website on the 307 00:22:12.119 --> 00:22:18.480 NFL about the Rooney Rule, it says that for coordinator jobs, one external 308 00:22:18.519 --> 00:22:23.920 minority candidate must be interviewed before a team is allowed to make a higher at 309 00:22:25.440 --> 00:22:27.359 coordinator. I think that's been expanded to two. It appears that that's been 310 00:22:27.359 --> 00:22:33.599 expanded to two. Kelsey Conway has some good reporting around that those interviews can 311 00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:36.839 be virtual, they can be in person, So the Bengals could be as 312 00:22:36.920 --> 00:22:41.279 we're recording this episode, James conducting a couple of virtual interviews with some external 313 00:22:41.359 --> 00:22:47.880 candidates to meet that requirement, or because there are some people that Zach Taylor 314 00:22:47.960 --> 00:22:53.440 knows and is interested in as offensive coordinator options. The Routey rule is in 315 00:22:53.519 --> 00:22:57.440 place, the Bengals must meet that requirement. We can talk about the Rooney 316 00:22:57.519 --> 00:23:02.640 rule and its faults and its Shortcummings if we wanted to, I personally just 317 00:23:02.839 --> 00:23:07.640 to get off my soapbox here. If I can think it's a flawed rule, 318 00:23:07.759 --> 00:23:11.839 it leads to sham interviews. Hopefully that's not the case with the Bengals 319 00:23:11.839 --> 00:23:15.400 here, but we know that Dan Pitcher is their top priority. We've talked 320 00:23:15.400 --> 00:23:18.880 about that a lot, and so hopefully any interviews they have with external candidates 321 00:23:18.920 --> 00:23:23.559 are legitimate and maybe one sways them. But that is a requirement that the 322 00:23:23.559 --> 00:23:30.279 Bengals must meet before they announced an official offensive coordinator of the future one coordinator, 323 00:23:30.519 --> 00:23:33.720 and I hope it's a real interview. I would reach out to Brian 324 00:23:33.799 --> 00:23:37.079 Johnson, the old ego ZOC. That would be someone that would be on 325 00:23:37.119 --> 00:23:40.920 my list. Now I look just to see if there were any ties to 326 00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:45.920 Zach and they're not, and that's a factor certainly another one. And I'm 327 00:23:45.960 --> 00:23:51.200 not even listing names for a rooty role. I just mean potential targets, 328 00:23:51.680 --> 00:23:56.680 because you just never know. Zach Robinson continues to get interviews and quarterbacks coach 329 00:23:56.680 --> 00:24:00.400 of the Rams was in LA when Zach was as well. Well. I 330 00:24:00.400 --> 00:24:03.680 think those are two names. And then the other one in this again has 331 00:24:03.680 --> 00:24:07.440 nothing to do with the rule. But I want to mention Troy Walters. 332 00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:11.960 I think Troy Walters. Let's say Dan Pitcher specifically wants to go to Las 333 00:24:12.039 --> 00:24:15.279 Vegas because he likes the slots right, because it's sure as hell isn't because 334 00:24:15.279 --> 00:24:19.279 a quarterback play. Well, if he does that, Troy Walters would be 335 00:24:19.279 --> 00:24:22.279 on my list, in pretty high on my list. I think Troy gets 336 00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:26.359 it. So I think the Bengals there are candidates not named Joe Brady, 337 00:24:26.559 --> 00:24:30.359 not named Dan Pitcher that they should look at or will look at, or 338 00:24:30.359 --> 00:24:34.240 at least will discuss, and to your point, they will conduct a couple 339 00:24:34.319 --> 00:24:41.000 of interviews as well. Yeah, go look at the players coaches that are 340 00:24:41.279 --> 00:24:48.119 in the current coaching carousel. That there are some connections with Zach Taylor historically, 341 00:24:48.160 --> 00:24:53.000 and that's a good place to find potential candidates a lot of the time. 342 00:24:53.039 --> 00:24:56.279 And Zach told Dave Lapham on Dave Lapham's show that there's some guys he 343 00:24:56.359 --> 00:25:00.279 knows that he's potentially gonna want to talk to, some guys he wants get 344 00:25:00.319 --> 00:25:03.839 to know, and they will have to go through those interview processes. One 345 00:25:04.119 --> 00:25:08.960 more quick thing as far as Dan Pitcher, there are two reasons why he 346 00:25:08.960 --> 00:25:11.920 could still take the interviews even if things are going well. Bengals lives, 347 00:25:11.960 --> 00:25:18.119 and he thinks the first one pretty simple. They still have to do business 348 00:25:18.200 --> 00:25:25.039 as usual and make sure that they meet the requirements of the Rooney Roll, 349 00:25:25.160 --> 00:25:27.400 and they do want to look elsewhere. So even if they do think that 350 00:25:27.440 --> 00:25:32.799 they're going to get an agreement in place officially with Dan Pitcher, maybe that's 351 00:25:32.839 --> 00:25:37.079 something that happens after he interviews with the Patriots today, or interviews with the 352 00:25:37.160 --> 00:25:38.720 Raiders and flies to Vegas. The other part of this, if you're Dan 353 00:25:38.799 --> 00:25:42.079 Pitcher and you're thinking about becoming a head coach next off season and the off 354 00:25:42.079 --> 00:25:48.200 season after taking these cross country flights going on in formal interviews, that doesn't 355 00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:52.279 hurt you like that experience is valuable. So I think there are a couple 356 00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:56.480 of reasons why he might do that. Valuable experience, valuable connections. Even 357 00:25:56.480 --> 00:26:00.400 if it's not OC this year, maybe it's head coach next year. The 358 00:26:00.400 --> 00:26:02.920 New Orleans I don't know, New Orleans Saints, Las Vegas Raiders. Probably 359 00:26:02.920 --> 00:26:06.440 not the New England Patriots. Probably not the Raiders either, but it is 360 00:26:06.440 --> 00:26:11.920 the Raiders, but hey, the Saints. Do you know something Jake oh 361 00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:17.599 Man, I know nothing to be abundantly clear about this, but for a 362 00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:21.240 number of reasons, maybe the Bengals are blown away in one of their external 363 00:26:21.240 --> 00:26:23.720 candidate interviews that they conduct, because they will have to do at least two. 364 00:26:25.039 --> 00:26:27.680 Maybe the Bengals are blown away in some other capacity. But I do 365 00:26:27.799 --> 00:26:33.920 believe that their top priority is retaining the services of Dan Pitcher based on the 366 00:26:33.920 --> 00:26:36.160 things that we understand right now. Troy Walter is, by the way, 367 00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:38.640 just in case you're wondering, does not satisfy any Ruoney Rule requirements because he 368 00:26:38.720 --> 00:26:47.160 is an internal candidate. The Runey rule requirements specifically specify external minority candidates. 369 00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:52.079 So we'll see if we get some reporting around interviews being completed potentially with the 370 00:26:52.079 --> 00:26:56.960 Bengals, you might see some of those between the time of our recording episodes. 371 00:26:57.000 --> 00:27:00.640 We're recording this, we're going to publish it. Then you might see 372 00:27:00.319 --> 00:27:04.920 some reports of Bengals OC interviews being completed before you hear from us next. 373 00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:08.960 But we will have you covered as soon as possible after the Bengals make some 374 00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:14.599 moves here on the OC front and we get some more clarity around what will 375 00:27:14.599 --> 00:27:18.079 be going on with that position for the Bengals going forward, and until then, 376 00:27:18.519 --> 00:27:22.400 we appreciate you listening to this episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast. 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