WEBVTT 1 00:00:28.640 --> 00:00:32.000 Ladies and gentlemen of those listening at home, those listening in your cars. 2 00:00:32.039 --> 00:00:38.880 You're listening to the Giant Bombcats. Today is Tuesday, May thirteen, Soldiers 3 00:00:38.920 --> 00:00:43.200 and sailors that see everybody. If you're in space right now, concentrate on 4 00:00:43.240 --> 00:00:48.159 what you're doing first, then relax and listen to the sound of Brad Shoemaker. 5 00:00:48.200 --> 00:00:52.960 Hello, Daniel Dwyer, Hello, Drew Scandlin Hello, and Greg Kasavin 6 00:00:53.200 --> 00:00:56.840 Hello. If you're trying to go to sleep, listen to Brad Shoemaker. 7 00:00:57.079 --> 00:01:00.679 Good night, Daniel Dwyer, good night. Don't listen to true so listen 8 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:07.959 away. Listen to Greg Sabin, good night. We're here. We're gonna 9 00:01:07.000 --> 00:01:11.480 do a podcast for you all, for your entertainment and ours. Uh and 10 00:01:11.599 --> 00:01:15.200 let's just kick it off with a little Brad Shoemaker. Once you've been up 11 00:01:15.239 --> 00:01:19.040 to the last week, Oh man, what haven't I've been up to? 12 00:01:19.159 --> 00:01:21.280 I don't know a lot of things. What have you not been up to? 13 00:01:21.560 --> 00:01:26.879 Most things? Have you been snowboarding? Have you been making clay imitations 14 00:01:26.920 --> 00:01:29.879 of your own face? Maybe? All right, but I don't have access 15 00:01:29.920 --> 00:01:33.280 to a kiln currently. Okay, Yeah, I got a whole shelf full 16 00:01:33.400 --> 00:01:36.719 of wet form faces. Yep, just ready to go. Great. Yeah, 17 00:01:36.719 --> 00:01:40.359 it's good for practicing kissing, so it's like a fire up. That's 18 00:01:40.359 --> 00:01:44.959 what they use them for, kissing with your penis. Uh. If you're 19 00:01:44.959 --> 00:01:48.280 trying to go to sleep, don't listen to any caravella, Brad. What 20 00:01:48.319 --> 00:01:52.480 have games have you been playing? I dabbled with Super Time Force over the 21 00:01:52.480 --> 00:01:57.040 weekend. Yes, what's dabbling? But I got through the tutorial world, 22 00:01:57.200 --> 00:02:00.000 okay, which was like the first three levels, and then got into the 23 00:02:00.400 --> 00:02:02.000 second set of levels. Yeah, but you played a lot more of it 24 00:02:02.040 --> 00:02:05.599 than I did. I like that game, so tell me about it any 25 00:02:05.760 --> 00:02:07.599 okay, just turning it back on me. Yeah, that game is. 26 00:02:07.639 --> 00:02:12.080 That game is really cool. It is not the breakneck uh just kind of 27 00:02:12.120 --> 00:02:15.120 action oriented shooter that I expected it to be. Though. Well, I'm 28 00:02:15.159 --> 00:02:19.479 gonna tell you about it by asking you questions. That's that's that's a when 29 00:02:19.520 --> 00:02:23.400 the bids. We call that the turnaround. Okay, So tell me about 30 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:25.840 the time mechanic in it. Well, I mean, so it is a 31 00:02:25.879 --> 00:02:30.000 left right shooter, but you die in one hit, and you're gonna die 32 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:31.520 a lot because there's a bunch of bullshit going on all the time, but 33 00:02:31.599 --> 00:02:35.919 the second you die, you can rewind time to whenever you want earlier in 34 00:02:35.960 --> 00:02:38.800 the level, right, and pop back in with the same character or a 35 00:02:38.840 --> 00:02:42.360 different character to you know, utilize whatever unique abilities they have, but the 36 00:02:42.400 --> 00:02:46.000 previous life will still be active when you come back in, right, So 37 00:02:46.039 --> 00:02:49.840 you know, the layering characters on top of characters, basically ghosts will be 38 00:02:50.159 --> 00:02:53.879 fighting behind you or simultaneously. And each level is about start to off with 39 00:02:53.879 --> 00:02:58.280 like sixty seconds to get the level done. You can find some pickups to 40 00:02:58.319 --> 00:03:02.000 extend that time, but a lot of the challenge I found from this game 41 00:03:02.599 --> 00:03:07.159 comes from trying to beat the level in sixty seconds without rewinding, which I 42 00:03:07.159 --> 00:03:12.960 find kind of almost impossible and probably by design impossible. Yeah yeah, I 43 00:03:13.000 --> 00:03:15.759 mean, like they've trained you pretty fast, you know, like that very 44 00:03:15.759 --> 00:03:19.560 first boss you get to. You cannot just wail on that boss, you 45 00:03:19.560 --> 00:03:22.120 know, with one character and beat it in the sixty seconds, Like, 46 00:03:22.120 --> 00:03:23.680 it's just not possible, right, So a big mechanic of the game is 47 00:03:23.719 --> 00:03:29.479 to let's just say, for example, you'll be shooting a door that takes 48 00:03:29.520 --> 00:03:32.800 you fifteen seconds to blow open, right, but by stacking four of your 49 00:03:32.879 --> 00:03:38.960 ghosts there, that door now takes fifteen divided by four, Brad three, 50 00:03:39.039 --> 00:03:45.719 that's unfam So you have five guys stacked there and the door takes fifteen seconds. 51 00:03:45.759 --> 00:03:52.120 So now the door is fifteen divided by five and it takes three seconds 52 00:03:52.360 --> 00:03:53.960 to knock down that door. And so then you pick up Every time you 53 00:03:54.039 --> 00:03:58.680 rewind time, you actually rewind the stage clock. So now you regain those 54 00:03:58.759 --> 00:04:01.159 lost ten seconds. That makes sense. Yeah, does this play? So 55 00:04:01.199 --> 00:04:04.879 that's a big, big mechanic in the game is basically taking her ghosts and 56 00:04:04.919 --> 00:04:11.240 stacking them over and over to uh, get past certain obstacles faster. Now, 57 00:04:11.280 --> 00:04:15.199 each character you choose has a different attack. Uh, you know, 58 00:04:15.240 --> 00:04:17.639 there's a guy with a you have a basic attack and you have a special 59 00:04:17.639 --> 00:04:19.959 attack, and uh, you know there's a guy who just has a gun 60 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:23.959 that shoots bullet bullet bullet, but you hold down the button. He has 61 00:04:23.959 --> 00:04:27.759 a spread and it's like a you know, Arnold Schwarzenegger esque. Actually I 62 00:04:27.759 --> 00:04:31.000 guess it's Rambo. I think his name is John Rembois. Do you choose 63 00:04:31.079 --> 00:04:33.600 characters right the starter or is it? Ye? You start off with three. 64 00:04:33.680 --> 00:04:36.480 There's there's there's the guy he mentioned who's just kind of straight up seam 65 00:04:36.519 --> 00:04:40.319 gun guy, there's a sniper lady, and then there's a guy who only 66 00:04:40.360 --> 00:04:44.160 has a shield. Yeah, I think his name is a shield. I 67 00:04:44.160 --> 00:04:47.759 think it's his name. But they start layering new characters on like almost immediately. 68 00:04:47.800 --> 00:04:49.720 I think the very first level, you pick up a fourth guy. 69 00:04:49.800 --> 00:04:53.480 Cool. Oh you mean you start with three unlocked. Yeah, but they 70 00:04:53.519 --> 00:04:56.480 don't even imply that there are others, So it's it's kind of a nice 71 00:04:56.480 --> 00:04:58.519 surprise. Every time you pick up in Your Guy, you start with one 72 00:04:58.519 --> 00:05:00.240 in the level, and then as soon as you rewind you you get to 73 00:05:00.279 --> 00:05:02.279 choose another character. Right, well, yeah, you pick your one for 74 00:05:02.279 --> 00:05:04.040 the level. You don't have to you don't have to use it. They 75 00:05:04.079 --> 00:05:05.759 just pop up them in you at the beginning of the level, and you 76 00:05:05.800 --> 00:05:09.040 pick here you want to start with, but it doesn't matter you actually change 77 00:05:09.120 --> 00:05:11.319 per Yeah, you don't even have to die to do one of the what 78 00:05:11.480 --> 00:05:14.439 they call him timeouts time out. Yeah, you can do it whatever you 79 00:05:14.439 --> 00:05:16.040 want, so really okay, yeah, no, no, no, no, 80 00:05:16.079 --> 00:05:18.680 you can pop it whenever you want. And the fun stuff about pick 81 00:05:18.759 --> 00:05:21.680 upon new characters is they're all kind of context sensitive. For it. One 82 00:05:21.920 --> 00:05:26.600 that's a dumb word for it. They're all contact sensitive for the level you're 83 00:05:26.600 --> 00:05:28.759 on. The dumb word. Yeah, it's a dumb word. They're all 84 00:05:29.240 --> 00:05:34.000 look for contact sensitivemadically appropriate here you go for the level that you're on. 85 00:05:34.240 --> 00:05:40.560 So like I was in let's say this Mad Max World, h that was 86 00:05:40.600 --> 00:05:43.600 a level like nineteen ninety X or whatever had turned into like this Mad Max 87 00:05:43.639 --> 00:05:46.360 World fighting in the Funderdome and in the Funderdome, yes, and uh wind 88 00:05:46.399 --> 00:05:50.519 up getting a character Melanie Gibson who was going to take me through I was 89 00:05:50.560 --> 00:05:56.319 in prehistoric times and found a dinosaur on a skateboard to help me out, 90 00:05:56.720 --> 00:06:00.040 and he was very helpful, chomping guys. I forget his name. I 91 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:01.240 think of Zacha Source. Yeah, I think it was Zacha Source. That 92 00:06:01.240 --> 00:06:04.759 sounds about right. It's a weird like cerebral game though, because you know, 93 00:06:04.839 --> 00:06:08.399 you played out things a certain way, and then you'd do a time 94 00:06:08.399 --> 00:06:12.319 out and drop another character in and you can change the flow of what you 95 00:06:12.399 --> 00:06:15.839 did before. You know, like you can shoot down that door two seconds 96 00:06:15.839 --> 00:06:18.120 faster, or like do something to a boss so he's in a totally different 97 00:06:18.120 --> 00:06:20.600 position than he was the first time. And then you've got your clones that 98 00:06:20.920 --> 00:06:25.439 were locked into those previous actions, and all of a sudden making things line 99 00:06:25.519 --> 00:06:30.079 up in different versions of events is extremely challenging. Does that make sense? 100 00:06:30.160 --> 00:06:31.639 Yeah, it is. It's really it's like a really weird, heady concept. 101 00:06:31.639 --> 00:06:35.439 Does it have any multiplayer stuff like bro Force? No, strictly. 102 00:06:36.399 --> 00:06:41.560 So imagine this boss that is a sphere, right, and he's got four 103 00:06:41.639 --> 00:06:44.879 red points you need to hit, but you need to hit them as quickly 104 00:06:44.920 --> 00:06:48.079 as possible, so you can basically shoot one of them, do a timeout, 105 00:06:48.120 --> 00:06:51.000 position a guy on the upper left to shoot the other one, and 106 00:06:51.040 --> 00:06:55.560 do that three more times or two more times, so that they're all hitting 107 00:06:55.600 --> 00:07:00.199 them simultaneously. So it's something that would have taken you again thirty seconds the 108 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:02.079 dude to straighten around him. Get all those just happens immediately, and then 109 00:07:02.120 --> 00:07:05.040 you just have guys waiting underneath the pumble that boss with the guns. It's 110 00:07:05.040 --> 00:07:11.160 really satisfying. Do you get bonuses for containing the levels in as far little 111 00:07:11.160 --> 00:07:14.040 time as possible? I think you do. You get badges. I'm not 112 00:07:14.240 --> 00:07:16.040 exactly sure what the reward system is. I don't know if there's also a 113 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:20.360 reward for doing it with as few timeouts as possible. Yeah, there there 114 00:07:20.399 --> 00:07:23.759 are four medals that you can get for each level, but we didn't figure 115 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:27.279 out what all of them are. It games at super Easy, yeah, 116 00:07:27.399 --> 00:07:30.000 copy mad games. Yeah. Do you find that like with these time games, 117 00:07:30.040 --> 00:07:35.040 I often get like overwhelmed really quickly. No, are since you're controlling 118 00:07:35.040 --> 00:07:38.160 everything, are you kind of hanging with it the whole time? So the 119 00:07:38.160 --> 00:07:41.439 only thing that gets overwhelming is what's happening on screen, and that's kind of 120 00:07:41.480 --> 00:07:45.560 a you know, of your own digging. Yeah, Like you're kind of 121 00:07:45.560 --> 00:07:47.600 like if you keep on rewinding in the same spot and dumping a guy in 122 00:07:47.600 --> 00:07:51.519 there who's just shooting spread guns, like, it's gonna be chaotic. But 123 00:07:51.879 --> 00:07:56.399 I found that primer the video game. No, there are no bleeding noses. 124 00:07:57.639 --> 00:08:00.920 The writing is probably going to turn some people off, but I actually 125 00:08:01.040 --> 00:08:05.839 kind of like it. It's got a very i would say, like forum 126 00:08:05.959 --> 00:08:09.480 ish vibe. It is cheesy in the extreme. There's a lot of zs 127 00:08:09.519 --> 00:08:11.879 it ends up. Yeah, there's like a you know, a couple of 128 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:15.519 kay thanks buys you know in there, but the guys who are saying them 129 00:08:15.680 --> 00:08:20.279 suck and they kind of know they suck, So like it's actually I find 130 00:08:20.319 --> 00:08:24.040 it totally appropent. Your characters never talk, so it's just your general it's 131 00:08:24.040 --> 00:08:26.639 just this kind of like total idiot, like it just sucks so badly, 132 00:08:26.680 --> 00:08:28.519 and so every time he says all the stuff, it's just nonsense. It 133 00:08:28.600 --> 00:08:31.360 is kind of charming. It's not that kind of Saturday Morning TV kind of 134 00:08:31.440 --> 00:08:37.679 vibe to it a little bit. Yeah, kind of the art style is, 135 00:08:37.720 --> 00:08:39.399 ah, it looks very scum engine to me. You know, you'll 136 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:43.000 probably reduce it down to just saying it's a pixel the art, but the 137 00:08:43.039 --> 00:08:48.399 animations are fun and the and the pace is really good, just moves. 138 00:08:48.039 --> 00:08:52.320 So I'm probably about halfway through it if I'm judging by the maps at the 139 00:08:52.360 --> 00:08:56.720 selections selection screen, there's probably like three or four levels within each world. 140 00:08:56.679 --> 00:09:00.879 But the story is it's Mega Man style, right. You can pick which 141 00:09:00.879 --> 00:09:03.519 time, which era you want to go to, and the set up for 142 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:07.679 it. In case anybody wants to know if you're not sold already, because 143 00:09:07.720 --> 00:09:09.559 I do think it's actually we Brett and now we're talking about this before. 144 00:09:09.679 --> 00:09:13.159 Whether there's a narrative to this game and that's a draw or not. I 145 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:16.799 think there is. Is basically the scientist, just as he discovers time travel 146 00:09:18.080 --> 00:09:20.919 is immediately visited by himself traveling through time, like as he puts the last 147 00:09:20.960 --> 00:09:24.240 piece of chocolates, I did it. It's it's like, I'm from the 148 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:26.559 future. You discovered time travel, and it's like, oh, it's like 149 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:31.000 and then the world basically explodes you everything about It's not clear whether you did 150 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:35.120 it or it's a coincidence. It's like at this moment you're invaded by like 151 00:09:35.159 --> 00:09:39.279 alien armies and all this stuff happens, and the future you comes back and 152 00:09:39.320 --> 00:09:43.440 he's like a this great general who has led the world to saved it from 153 00:09:43.519 --> 00:09:48.919 disaster by traveling through time and writing all these wrongs. So you quickly kind 154 00:09:48.919 --> 00:09:52.480 of saved the present day, which is nineteen eighty X. And then you're 155 00:09:52.519 --> 00:09:56.840 giving carte blanche by the government to go use time to solve other problems. 156 00:09:56.879 --> 00:10:01.279 Can't make it any worse. Well that there in lines of the story. 157 00:10:01.440 --> 00:10:05.279 So like the first thing I did was traveled back to dinosaur age, and 158 00:10:05.639 --> 00:10:07.799 you know, you're like, let's stop the dinosaurs from going. It stinks 159 00:10:09.080 --> 00:10:11.200 like they'd be awesome to hang out with. So I didn't play through that 160 00:10:11.240 --> 00:10:15.039 whole world yet, but they implied that you were going to fight the asteroid 161 00:10:15.080 --> 00:10:18.200 they killed all the time. You fight, you take on the asteroid. 162 00:10:18.559 --> 00:10:20.720 Great. Yeah, so it's that kind of stuff, and I think it's 163 00:10:20.759 --> 00:10:26.159 super fund. You play anything else, Let's see you mean that's not Doda? 164 00:10:26.679 --> 00:10:30.039 Did you play Doda? Oh? You know, we could talk about 165 00:10:30.360 --> 00:10:33.639 just video games, Bronn of Craigs here, this is my chance before we 166 00:10:33.679 --> 00:10:37.039 get to that. Well, I guess we could talk about Sunset Overdrive. 167 00:10:37.360 --> 00:10:41.519 No cool, because at Bargo Lifted. Do you guys all know what Sunset 168 00:10:41.559 --> 00:10:45.320 Overdrive is? Yeah? I remember it from the press conference. Yeah, 169 00:10:45.320 --> 00:10:48.120 it looks. I don't think anybody really knew exactly what it was after that 170 00:10:48.159 --> 00:10:50.639 because it was just your typical, like splashy marketing trailer that was just slice 171 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:54.440 commercial. Yeah, totally, it'll you know what, I'm surprised when I 172 00:10:54.440 --> 00:10:56.039 saw the trailer or when I saw the gameplay thing that came out. How 173 00:10:56.399 --> 00:10:58.840 kind of accurate too, Dott. It looks yeah, I guess that's fair. 174 00:10:58.840 --> 00:11:05.840 I got kind of a Jets radio vibe, yeah definitely. Yeah sure, 175 00:11:05.639 --> 00:11:09.720 yeah, well Brad, Brad give us the kind of elevator pitch spiel 176 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:13.200 here, Yeah, jets a radio plus like I would say, Dead Rising 177 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:18.879 is kind of where I would huh, that's really reductive this plus that sure 178 00:11:18.039 --> 00:11:22.360 way to the kind of frame of reference. It's dead rising issue in that 179 00:11:22.360 --> 00:11:24.919 there are like tons of mindless enemies just rushing at you all the time, 180 00:11:24.960 --> 00:11:31.480 and you've got this ridiculous arsenal to moan down with creeps perhaps not maybe kind 181 00:11:31.480 --> 00:11:35.639 of fodder. Yes, haven't it turned to zombies because of some energy drink? 182 00:11:35.679 --> 00:11:37.279 Kind of energy drink that either kills you or turns you into mutant I 183 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:39.440 think, I don't wait, it's for real, Yeah, it is, 184 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:43.320 actually yes, yeah, because I apparently have been mailing out this energy drink 185 00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:46.279 to people. Yep, oh you would know. Yes, how did it 186 00:11:46.360 --> 00:11:50.559 taste? Like every energy drink you've ever done? Like so just like sugar 187 00:11:52.279 --> 00:11:56.720 to taste? Yeah, the worst. But yeah, you've got a you 188 00:11:56.759 --> 00:12:01.120 know, Insomniac has their reputation for being masters of ridicular this weaponry. So 189 00:12:01.159 --> 00:12:03.960 all that stuff is in there, you know, And yeah, there's there's 190 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:07.159 a lot of a lot of grinding on stuff that those things actually work in 191 00:12:07.200 --> 00:12:09.960 tandem, because it's kind of kind of a neat system you are picking like 192 00:12:11.360 --> 00:12:13.480 I think they're called amps, Is that right? I believe that's right. 193 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:16.120 They're basically perks. They're like some of them are weapons specific, some of 194 00:12:16.159 --> 00:12:20.120 them are for your movement, some of them are for whatever. But they 195 00:12:20.399 --> 00:12:22.759 have levels they correspond to them, and you have this like combo meter that 196 00:12:22.840 --> 00:12:26.480 the second you start like grinding a rail or hit a jumpad or whatever, 197 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:31.080 starts filling up. So the more you are using that traversal stuff and also 198 00:12:31.159 --> 00:12:33.960 fighting guys while you're doing it, the faster that meter fills. And then 199 00:12:33.360 --> 00:12:37.360 every time the meter hits a new level, the perks at that level activate. 200 00:12:37.799 --> 00:12:41.559 So it's kind of a momentum based thing of like more you're moving around, 201 00:12:41.559 --> 00:12:45.679 the more you're killing stuff, the better your powers get and the faster 202 00:12:45.799 --> 00:12:48.639 you can do those things and stuff. So it seems like sometimes you're getting 203 00:12:48.639 --> 00:12:52.519 shocked damage now, or you're getting like a wider area of effect on something, 204 00:12:52.759 --> 00:12:54.240 or like I think in one of the cases we say you'd get a 205 00:12:54.240 --> 00:12:56.919 giant nuke. Yeah, well one of the maxill shooting dudes. Are you 206 00:12:56.960 --> 00:13:01.720 kicking dudes? You've got a melee, but you've also got like weir you 207 00:13:01.919 --> 00:13:03.039 have like weapons, have like eight weapons equipped. At one time, I 208 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:05.720 think they said they're gonna be like two dozen weapons in the game or something 209 00:13:05.759 --> 00:13:09.679 great. They're all patchworky weapons, kind of Dead Rising style, like a 210 00:13:09.679 --> 00:13:13.799 lot of improvised like things taped together and like kind of you know, unlikely 211 00:13:13.840 --> 00:13:16.240 weapons that have weird functions. Shooting records. Yeah, there's like a final 212 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:20.440 like a record launcher or an a K. I think you just had a 213 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:22.480 a K forty seven at some point, so the swear word in it. 214 00:13:22.559 --> 00:13:26.200 Yeah. One of the one of the max level amps they equipped on that 215 00:13:26.919 --> 00:13:31.080 a K was a chance to prock a nuclear explosion on every shot of a 216 00:13:31.080 --> 00:13:35.720 weapon. And since that thing is just like a rapid fire a saul rifle 217 00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:39.960 like every three seconds or whatever, you're just getting this huge fucking mushroom cloud 218 00:13:39.320 --> 00:13:43.000 as you're like mowing down this this giant horde of enemies. It's kind of 219 00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:46.039 cool. Open world. Yeah, it's open world. You've got like mission 220 00:13:46.039 --> 00:13:50.360 givers. There are different factions around the city and stuff, like a LARPing 221 00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:54.279 faction. Yes, yes, oh boy, it looks pretty cool. Like 222 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:56.679 it's it's this type of game I get into, you know, just kind 223 00:13:56.679 --> 00:14:01.399 of being able to roam around, really being really mobile, nimble and just 224 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:03.799 find a lot of different stupid stuff. Do you feel like Tony Hawk? 225 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:07.360 All the grinding is a little bit like that. Yeah, when you're when 226 00:14:07.399 --> 00:14:11.840 you're not on rails, Okay, when you're not grinding, are you running? 227 00:14:11.080 --> 00:14:16.200 You're just running around blades or anything? I bet there will be really 228 00:14:16.440 --> 00:14:20.279 roller blades in it. Is that what they call that pickup in the UK? 229 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:26.039 Skates? Skates? Skates? Yeah, inline skates. Yeah, there's 230 00:14:26.039 --> 00:14:26.960 probably some Irish word for it too, but I don't know what that is. 231 00:14:28.159 --> 00:14:31.480 The whole thing is super colorful, and I think they're kind of pitch 232 00:14:31.600 --> 00:14:35.519 is, like, you know, it's a fun post apocalypse. Yeah, 233 00:14:35.399 --> 00:14:39.840 the movement and stuff, isn't they all? No? No, I think 234 00:14:39.840 --> 00:14:43.159 most of them are pretty gnarly. I've never been to one. No, 235 00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:46.120 really, this one is more Narnar. What if I had to know, 236 00:14:50.440 --> 00:14:52.080 I don't even know what that is, and I don't want to know. 237 00:14:52.519 --> 00:14:54.320 Did that come from one of Brad's dark places on the internet? Well? 238 00:14:54.399 --> 00:14:58.639 Yes, no, but yes, So when you're not grinding, then you're 239 00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:01.279 running around the whole game does seem to slow down a bit. It does 240 00:15:01.279 --> 00:15:05.600 seem like a game that you're gonna want to be moving constantly. Yeah, 241 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:07.080 I mean that's the thing with that. It's the incentive to get on the 242 00:15:07.120 --> 00:15:09.240 right. That's the thing with that whole combos system. You know, you're 243 00:15:09.279 --> 00:15:13.399 you're constraining your abilities by not using that stuff. Okay, you know, 244 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:15.960 so you don't want to just run around and shoot a guys because it's gonna 245 00:15:15.960 --> 00:15:18.960 take forever to max that stuff out. So is it always just taking out 246 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:22.360 massive crowds of of zombie. There's there's a couple other types of enemies. 247 00:15:22.360 --> 00:15:26.600 There's like some automated robotic stuff going on, and it's kind of like Fashak 248 00:15:26.679 --> 00:15:31.080 Infinite Is itppening around on rails? Well, it's all third person and uh, 249 00:15:31.480 --> 00:15:35.559 it's a little no, it's more it's like Infamous Second Son kind of 250 00:15:35.960 --> 00:15:39.000 vibe. Yeah, Like just in terms of the traversal, Yeah, it's 251 00:15:39.320 --> 00:15:43.919 kind of similar to that. But I didn't think the dashes and gliding and 252 00:15:43.919 --> 00:15:46.240 stuff in that game felt very good. I think, yeah, it's just 253 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:50.360 seems a little yeah you know, yeah surprise, Yeah, yeah, big 254 00:15:50.360 --> 00:15:54.960 surprise. That's that's a pretty good comparison. Uh, And it's very colorful 255 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:58.919 and cartoony. Yeah, and big old bosses. Anything else going on? 256 00:15:58.960 --> 00:16:03.919 Brand? When's the coming out they haven't said, but I bet it's Poliday 257 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:11.440 ish later this year. Fall uh anything. Just don't just had the best 258 00:16:11.480 --> 00:16:15.159 match your life, you said when you were streaming something best live match. 259 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:18.559 Okay, yeah, on that on the stream we do, you know, 260 00:16:18.759 --> 00:16:22.320 ironically the one time that we weren't streaming from my perspective, extremely well, 261 00:16:22.399 --> 00:16:26.399 yeah, that's multiple games. You can't see this video for this podcast now. 262 00:16:26.440 --> 00:16:30.720 But I look radiant today. It's amazing. My hair is back. 263 00:16:30.759 --> 00:16:33.600 I lost forty pounds, but I'll be gone by the next time I'm on 264 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:36.639 camera. But just looking awesome to see. I'll leave that one alone. 265 00:16:36.679 --> 00:16:38.679 If you know, Greg wants to talk about Dodo when it is his turn, 266 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:41.720 and I'm not going to stop him. Greg, what you've been playing? 267 00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:47.759 A little bit of back to the defense of the install? Like I 268 00:16:47.799 --> 00:16:49.679 remember, like right around New Year's Day. I think you made a promise 269 00:16:49.679 --> 00:16:53.200 to yourself. That's that's correct, I I uh, yeah, I played. 270 00:16:53.279 --> 00:16:57.120 I played the game pretty obsessively for like the last I guess like two 271 00:16:57.240 --> 00:17:00.080 years when with trans Sister Have Combat. If you haven't been playing Doda, 272 00:17:00.279 --> 00:17:03.400 well it would still come out at the same time. But but yeah, 273 00:17:03.480 --> 00:17:08.680 if I if I had kept playing It's listening at the beginning of the year. 274 00:17:08.920 --> 00:17:11.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I hadn't played it since since January 275 00:17:11.480 --> 00:17:15.880 and finally reinstalled it. The first time I saw you fired up on s 276 00:17:15.920 --> 00:17:17.880 Team, I was like, wow, the game must be in good shame 277 00:17:18.559 --> 00:17:22.559 just getting getting close. Yeah, but yeah, I mean I I got 278 00:17:22.039 --> 00:17:29.039 I've been been pretty busy wrapping up my my own damn video game last couple 279 00:17:29.039 --> 00:17:30.960 of months, so I have a lot of catching up to do. But 280 00:17:32.240 --> 00:17:37.119 yeah, the first like non my own game thing that I started catching up 281 00:17:37.160 --> 00:17:40.880 on was a yeah, reinstalled Dota two. Got Dark Souls too, got 282 00:17:41.039 --> 00:17:45.960 Heartstone, got the like multiple Blizzard games came out like while I was working 283 00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:48.160 on my own game, which is crazy to me. So well, let's 284 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:49.759 take a second for folks who don't know, Greg, what are you working 285 00:17:49.839 --> 00:17:53.359 on? What is your own game? I have been working on a game 286 00:17:53.440 --> 00:18:00.000 called Transistor, which is out next week. That's pretty soon May seven days 287 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:07.279 from now, Yes, soon. So I'm just sitting here trying to contemplate 288 00:18:07.400 --> 00:18:10.960 the universe and so on while I still can before it comes out. Yeah. 289 00:18:11.319 --> 00:18:14.680 So so yeah, that's been fun. It's uh, it's definitely like 290 00:18:15.039 --> 00:18:18.640 you get into a certain zone when all you're doing is playing your own damn 291 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:22.559 thing. So it's it's really it's really nice to go back to to playing 292 00:18:22.599 --> 00:18:26.799 other stuff. And I really really want to play the Like the south Park 293 00:18:26.880 --> 00:18:30.640 game is really high on my list. That sounded really good, just came 294 00:18:30.680 --> 00:18:37.319 out at a time when when I was not in the mental state to play 295 00:18:37.400 --> 00:18:41.200 it, and uh, yeah, there there has been a lot is there? 296 00:18:41.319 --> 00:18:44.839 Dark Souls Too? Have you had a good buy it out chair the 297 00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:48.480 I have that game. It turns out that game is hard. Yeah, 298 00:18:48.720 --> 00:18:53.960 so I I enjoyed Demon Souls and Dark Souls a lot. So yeah, 299 00:18:55.000 --> 00:18:56.559 Dark Souls Too was right at the right at the top of my list. 300 00:18:57.079 --> 00:19:03.519 Did you see any of that beef Souls? I did think about what's it 301 00:19:03.559 --> 00:19:07.599 called? Project Beast was right floating around. I was pretty excited by what 302 00:19:07.759 --> 00:19:11.240 I saw there. I mean, like my joke was that from Software. 303 00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:15.759 Well, so there's like some skepticism as to whether it's legit or it looked 304 00:19:17.039 --> 00:19:19.680 whatever it is. It looks like someone is making a video game that looks 305 00:19:19.720 --> 00:19:25.720 like that, But from Software does like the best filthy rags of any game 306 00:19:25.759 --> 00:19:29.680 developer I've evereen. Yeah, like the Swamp pyromancer from Dark Souls. He's 307 00:19:29.720 --> 00:19:33.519 just just the best, just disgusting rags and this like Project Beast game. 308 00:19:33.759 --> 00:19:37.839 I'm like, yeah, man, I want to just be this raggedy ass 309 00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:41.480 dude with a shotgun, like shooting zombie dogs, Miss Gates, I'm in 310 00:19:41.880 --> 00:19:45.559 whatever. I don't know. I want to I want to know more about 311 00:19:45.559 --> 00:19:48.559 whatever that thing is. Yeah, it looks pretty familiar, you know, 312 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:52.920 just visually, I think in like an entirely positive way for her. For 313 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:56.559 me, there's something too. When I saw it, and I was very 314 00:19:56.599 --> 00:20:00.640 excited about having a shotgun or firearm, and then when I actually thought about 315 00:20:00.640 --> 00:20:04.319 it, took a little longer to think about it, realized that the bad 316 00:20:04.359 --> 00:20:08.119 guys will probably have firearms, and that's not a game I want to play. 317 00:20:08.440 --> 00:20:12.000 Yeah. The zombies though, right, the zombies and Project Best. 318 00:20:12.640 --> 00:20:18.200 Yeah, I don't know. I haven't looked for anybody knows. Okay, 319 00:20:18.440 --> 00:20:22.400 Yeah, if it's anything like Demon Souls, they're sure there's zombies. Maybe 320 00:20:22.400 --> 00:20:26.440 if they've gone maybe they are sharpshooters who've gone hollow. I have no idea, 321 00:20:26.680 --> 00:20:30.359 but I don't want anybody shooting in those games. Spears okay, sword, 322 00:20:30.519 --> 00:20:34.039 Okay, Yeah, you got magic. Okay, I don't want to 323 00:20:34.160 --> 00:20:37.559 dude with a sawed off hiding behind a corner that's just gonna like glowed my 324 00:20:37.680 --> 00:20:41.519 chest. Yeah. If history has taught us anything, it's that anything ranged 325 00:20:41.599 --> 00:20:44.400 in one of those games as a fucker. Oh man, all horrible. 326 00:20:44.519 --> 00:20:48.480 It isn't got so much. A part of those games is actually moving like 327 00:20:48.599 --> 00:20:52.720 a wave, like defending yourself by actually getting out of the way. And 328 00:20:52.759 --> 00:20:56.079 that's one of the fundamental things you can't do with weaponry like that, I 329 00:20:56.079 --> 00:20:59.599 guess not if the's got like a gatling gun like stages up there. Uh 330 00:21:00.079 --> 00:21:02.400 so, Greg, what do you do when when your knee deep in like 331 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:07.519 the development cycle, you just un so, you just yeah, man, 332 00:21:07.640 --> 00:21:11.359 you just freaking work through it. There's like a you get to a point 333 00:21:11.440 --> 00:21:15.440 where you know, the whole we have the whole game, uh playable start 334 00:21:15.480 --> 00:21:18.279 to finish at the beginning of the year, which which is where we wanted 335 00:21:18.319 --> 00:21:21.559 to be, where we would just kind of then spend however much time we 336 00:21:21.640 --> 00:21:26.079 want to just kind of polishing everything. But at that point when the whole 337 00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:30.839 game is like like like all all the work is unblocked, basically like you 338 00:21:30.880 --> 00:21:33.200 could work on any part of the game, and you could put like an 339 00:21:33.279 --> 00:21:37.160 arbitrary amount of work into like any given moment. So there's just a lot 340 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:41.559 of stuff that you could be doing. It's a really fun time because like 341 00:21:41.640 --> 00:21:45.400 the game, the game just like rapidly comes together. Like every single day, 342 00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:48.960 people are doing stuff. You know, the folks I work with, 343 00:21:49.039 --> 00:21:52.119 they're all doing stuff that is like super inspiring to me every day. It 344 00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:55.960 keeps you, keeps you motivated. But there's a there's a lot to do 345 00:21:56.039 --> 00:21:57.680 at the same time. But like we really you know, it's only our 346 00:21:57.720 --> 00:22:03.680 second game, so we don't release games very often, so we we have 347 00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:07.880 like it's it's a big deal for us. Just you know this. It's 348 00:22:07.920 --> 00:22:11.359 it's been almost three years. In July, it will have been three years 349 00:22:11.480 --> 00:22:17.599 since the first version of Bashan came out. And so yeah, we have 350 00:22:17.880 --> 00:22:22.759 we we are motivated to do our damnedest to kind of put everything we want 351 00:22:22.839 --> 00:22:26.480 into the stuff. So we make it so since you guys are self publishing, 352 00:22:26.599 --> 00:22:30.119 is there was there pressure from anybody besides yourselves as to the timeframe for 353 00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:33.519 release? I mean like, no, did you guys? Did you guys? 354 00:22:33.559 --> 00:22:34.079 At some point you're just like, all right, May is the month 355 00:22:34.119 --> 00:22:38.279 we want to hit. Yeah, that's that's basically that is it isn't short 356 00:22:38.319 --> 00:22:41.160 how it went. I mean that that's uh, that was entirely up to 357 00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:47.240 us. A lot goes into picking your release date, in my opinion, 358 00:22:47.920 --> 00:22:52.279 because there is like almost never a good time when you're a you know, 359 00:22:52.440 --> 00:22:56.759 a smaller independent game like ours, which is like you know, we were 360 00:22:56.039 --> 00:23:00.440 whatever at like Sony's E three events stuff. We have like a relatively high 361 00:23:00.480 --> 00:23:04.000 profile for an independent game, but even still compared to like some Giant Triple 362 00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:07.880 A game releasing in fall, we don't want to release our games in like 363 00:23:08.039 --> 00:23:12.440 October, because even though some Giant Triple A game is in a totally different 364 00:23:12.480 --> 00:23:18.759 genre, totally different context, it's still kind of there's certain releases that just 365 00:23:19.559 --> 00:23:22.000 capture all of the Yeah, you just don't want to be anywhere. I 366 00:23:22.079 --> 00:23:25.920 don't want to be anywhere near them. I think I think there's like some 367 00:23:26.200 --> 00:23:29.640 debate as to whether that is, you know, true or not, but 368 00:23:29.839 --> 00:23:32.240 yeah, we want it. And plus personally, just as a as a 369 00:23:32.279 --> 00:23:36.079 game player, I've always been frustrated that that like like a million games come 370 00:23:36.119 --> 00:23:38.200 out in September and October and then like the spring and the summer is just 371 00:23:38.319 --> 00:23:41.799 dead. Yeah, I think that's finally been changing over the last couple of 372 00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:45.720 years. Like August last year was like awesome, there's like two really amazing 373 00:23:45.960 --> 00:23:49.759 I seem to recall if they're like multiple great games coming out every week in 374 00:23:49.759 --> 00:23:52.200 August, which felt like it was new. So yeah, we felt in 375 00:23:52.279 --> 00:23:56.240 short, we felt May was a good time. You guys are lunch in 376 00:23:56.279 --> 00:24:03.359 Saint days Wolfenstein. Yeah, and you know that before you'd I don't think 377 00:24:03.440 --> 00:24:07.359 I don't think we. I don't think we were like super aware of that. 378 00:24:07.640 --> 00:24:10.559 Yeah, but we we did. You know, we obviously decided to 379 00:24:10.680 --> 00:24:15.119 not change the date. Yeah, I feel like so different. Yeah, 380 00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:17.599 I think I would probably only help. Yeah, I think the week after 381 00:24:17.680 --> 00:24:19.039 that has Watched Dogs, So yeah, the week after his watch Dogs and 382 00:24:19.200 --> 00:24:23.079 stuff like that. And again Track and Guard three is out the same day. 383 00:24:23.160 --> 00:24:26.720 So so again, even in May when like his, you know, 384 00:24:26.799 --> 00:24:30.279 traditionally not not a lot of stuff comes out, even May is pretty crowded. 385 00:24:30.359 --> 00:24:33.160 But we wanted we wanted to announce our release date when we were like 386 00:24:33.319 --> 00:24:36.519 sure we could hit it and you know, get get the word out there 387 00:24:36.640 --> 00:24:40.480 ahead of time, so that people would hopefully know about it when the time 388 00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:42.920 came. So what happens now that you guys, Well, I have two 389 00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:47.000 questions. Yeah, right now, I have two questions for you. First 390 00:24:47.039 --> 00:24:49.559 one, you were saying that basically the content was or the build was near 391 00:24:49.640 --> 00:24:52.839 complete. About it, just say, at the beginning of the year, 392 00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:56.920 I said that the content we had all the content there, we like, 393 00:24:56.000 --> 00:25:00.720 the game was playable start to finish. We had the whole ending and basically 394 00:25:00.799 --> 00:25:03.599 we build our games like serially, so beginning first, ending last, so 395 00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:07.599 we had all the you know, the game was feature it was it was 396 00:25:07.680 --> 00:25:11.720 alpha essentially, it was feature complete, so that their remaining time is all 397 00:25:11.759 --> 00:25:14.720 just you know, iteration and polishing so on. So when you're at that 398 00:25:14.759 --> 00:25:17.839 point and you're you're playing through and you're kind of some of the adds something, 399 00:25:17.920 --> 00:25:19.920 there's a new code, it gets injected, you have to force yourself 400 00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:23.680 to play that build as a fresh player and not just kind of run past 401 00:25:23.759 --> 00:25:26.480 all the skip skip skips and skip and run past all the stuff that you've 402 00:25:26.480 --> 00:25:30.680 played a billion times before. For sure, we we try to do that 403 00:25:30.799 --> 00:25:34.279 at certain points, especially like near the end, when it's you know, 404 00:25:34.359 --> 00:25:41.039 the thing is it like you have to acknowledge that it's it's actually impossible for 405 00:25:41.119 --> 00:25:44.359 you to to just go in as a completely new player. Yeah, like 406 00:25:44.640 --> 00:25:47.519 like you can. You can put yourself in that mindset for sure and sort 407 00:25:47.559 --> 00:25:52.960 of play like someone with no foreknowledge of anything and just not make any assumptions. 408 00:25:52.039 --> 00:25:56.720 And I I can, I can. I think I can make my 409 00:25:56.839 --> 00:26:00.160 brain kind of work that way. But for sure it's not the same as 410 00:26:00.279 --> 00:26:03.720 someone just going in cold. And you know, we play test for that, 411 00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:08.759 like we can't. We can't entirely. That's so it really it really 412 00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:11.519 is like I know exactly where to go, and I know how to beat 413 00:26:11.559 --> 00:26:15.440 this enemy and like two hit or like whatever two seconds, but now I 414 00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:19.440 have to kind of walk, listen to the dialogue or whatever, bang on 415 00:26:19.480 --> 00:26:23.119 the walls. Yeah, this weapon, especially near the end. Yeah, 416 00:26:23.200 --> 00:26:26.920 you you have to check all those assumptions for sure, and play it through 417 00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:30.839 kind of nice and slow the way a normal human being you know, probably 418 00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:33.480 will on the first try. And and just like looking all those knicks and 419 00:26:33.519 --> 00:26:36.559 crannies and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, for sure, there's a 420 00:26:36.599 --> 00:26:40.440 lot of that and and and you know, and and in order to like 421 00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:47.440 just make sure you're not crazy or whatever or overlooking horrible, horrible things. 422 00:26:47.680 --> 00:26:51.480 Yeah, you gotta play test it with with other people and see see what 423 00:26:51.599 --> 00:26:55.799 their reactions are. And especially when it comes to like game tuning and stuff. 424 00:26:56.400 --> 00:27:00.559 Late latent development will have guys who've like, oh, well, I'm 425 00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:03.359 one of the developers of this game, and I find that, you know, 426 00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:04.599 this sequence got a little bit too easy. It's like, well, 427 00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:08.400 you've been playing this game for two hundred hours, like or or actually that's 428 00:27:08.480 --> 00:27:15.160 like nothing. So we we have to take a step back and yeah, 429 00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:18.200 we have to be careful about that kind of stuff for sure, and have 430 00:27:18.559 --> 00:27:22.839 a really solid sense of who, like what are the who are we tuning 431 00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:26.440 the game forward? How do you guys handle playtesting as a small developer, 432 00:27:26.440 --> 00:27:27.319 I mean, do you just like drag in friends and family or do you 433 00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:32.400 go through a more formal like third party service that. No, we we 434 00:27:32.519 --> 00:27:36.200 do everything ourselves. We we like we get people to play it in short 435 00:27:36.559 --> 00:27:41.079 that we get different types of people at different times, like different experience levels, 436 00:27:41.039 --> 00:27:45.759 uh, stuff like that. We get different people. They don't know 437 00:27:45.759 --> 00:27:51.319 necessarily why we pick them, but we may pick them for different reasons because 438 00:27:51.400 --> 00:27:53.960 we have some sense of their brains and what we think that they're you know, 439 00:27:55.880 --> 00:28:00.920 which insights we think that they would be particularly kind of just great about 440 00:28:02.119 --> 00:28:04.960 whether whether they're like, like, for example, you know, there are 441 00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:08.119 certain guys that we used to work with. They're like super whatever. They 442 00:28:08.160 --> 00:28:11.680 were like tournament quality real time strategy players or something like that. So it's 443 00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:15.119 like, let's get in the guy who's gonna just break this game, who's 444 00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:19.119 gonna like it's gonna be probably be a total quick cake walk for this guy 445 00:28:19.160 --> 00:28:22.079 because he just masters any game he plays, you know, within seconds. 446 00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:25.960 Let's see what this guy can find. So that's an example of a guy. 447 00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:29.119 We'll get other We'll get other folks, you know, where we're really 448 00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:32.559 interested in their perspective on the narrative or something like that. We want everyone's 449 00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:37.400 we don't ever the way we play test, we never sort of give directed 450 00:28:37.480 --> 00:28:40.920 questions and we never like even try to help the person in anyway if they 451 00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:42.880 struggle with something that's the game's fault and that's something we want to know about. 452 00:28:44.319 --> 00:28:47.759 So we just let them go and then give us their impressions on on 453 00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:51.680 whatever whatever comes to mind, and you know, we're, yeah, we're 454 00:28:51.720 --> 00:28:55.720 open to whatever feedback. And then the team is constantly playing and giving each 455 00:28:55.720 --> 00:28:59.319 other feedback. Also, do you ever get some just random I remember showing 456 00:28:59.359 --> 00:29:02.839 from Meadow Games said that their Tesco delivery guys, like the grocery delivery guy, 457 00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:04.319 they just let him play it and see what he thought about Joe Danger 458 00:29:04.359 --> 00:29:08.880 when they were doing that. We haven't had our delivery guys play, but 459 00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:14.400 like a game development version of a porn guy shows up the fix table and 460 00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:21.400 then the controllers come out. For sure, we ask like we also you 461 00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:23.400 know, get impressions from people who don't normally play games and stuff. For 462 00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:26.960 sure, Yeah, because we want it. I mean whatever, I had 463 00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:30.240 my like three year old son play it and stuff. It's like he's not 464 00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:33.039 going to buy this game on Steam as far as I know, But that's 465 00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:37.920 still interesting to see how you try to get as broad of a range of 466 00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:41.839 perspectives as possible, not because you're necessarily making the game for those people, 467 00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:47.920 but just to see if they can even just if they can even just navigate 468 00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:51.200 it at all. It must be just interesting just to see different perspectives. 469 00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:53.920 Yeah, definitely, especially a game like a game like ours, like we 470 00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:59.759 do. While we want it to be like engaging and challenging, but we 471 00:30:00.160 --> 00:30:03.240 it to be really easy to pick up and start playing, so you don't 472 00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:07.160 need to like read a manual or anything before you start playing. So I 473 00:30:07.240 --> 00:30:11.480 mean that's why stuff like it's really what's yeah exactly, they don't they don't 474 00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:14.839 have those anymore anyway, but but yeah, the you know, that's why 475 00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:18.119 it's cool to like take the game to place like packs and just see like 476 00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:21.960 okay, yeah, see if hundreds of people, you know, if the 477 00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:26.799 game, if there's some problem with people like understanding some core aspect of how 478 00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:30.279 to play it, then that's going to be exposed real fast. You are 479 00:30:30.279 --> 00:30:37.359 there any feuds or like bidding pools that get settled. We're like that stuff 480 00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:41.000 is is actually like that stuff can be super like bitter in my experience. 481 00:30:41.079 --> 00:30:47.759 So so we're we're pretty we're pretty against it. Uh, I've I've I've 482 00:30:47.799 --> 00:30:51.319 worked at places before where that kind of stuff happened and it was it was 483 00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:56.200 fine actually, but at our with us, like we're like, like I 484 00:30:56.319 --> 00:31:00.680 told you so is like super super taboo as an idea because we don't we 485 00:31:00.759 --> 00:31:04.000 don't do that kind of like like we just we we move forward from like 486 00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:08.319 consensus. Anyway, if if there's like a point in development where someone is 487 00:31:08.359 --> 00:31:12.599 like upset about something we're not. It doesn't happen where it's like, well, 488 00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:15.599 just deal with it and like move on or whatever. It's like, 489 00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:21.839 no, we're gonna hash that out so that we we have to move forward 490 00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:23.759 together, like with the decisions that we made. If someone is like, 491 00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:26.519 oh, you know, we shouldn't have we shouldn't have done it this way, 492 00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:32.440 it's like that that person's just gonna yeah, that's not going to be 493 00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:34.039 healthy. Have to imagine I have to imagine the size of the team, 494 00:31:34.119 --> 00:31:37.440 Like you can't proceed without everybody being on board. Yeah, pretty much, 495 00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:42.319 that's that's exactly the idea. And it's also like we don't have that like 496 00:31:42.440 --> 00:31:48.680 it's it's just basically a group of people are like specialists within the team or 497 00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:53.720 whatever. So they like if Jen our art director, you know, wants 498 00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:59.599 to do something with the art like like she makes the call. It's not 499 00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:04.160 so we all give feedback, but the person who does the work is going 500 00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:07.079 to do the work in a way that they are, you know, that 501 00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:09.160 they feel good about because they have to live with it and they have to 502 00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:15.160 do it. So that for us that that works out nicely. At least 503 00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:19.240 it has thus far, and and uh yeah, it's it's fun. It 504 00:32:19.400 --> 00:32:23.319 makes makes it so that you know people working on uh, they're part of 505 00:32:23.359 --> 00:32:28.480 the game. They you know that. That's it's it's all our Yeah, 506 00:32:28.519 --> 00:32:30.920 it's a small team. We're we're some people on bashing. Were twelve people 507 00:32:31.640 --> 00:32:37.960 on this game, so we almost double. It's a it's expanding too quick 508 00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:42.359 man, twenty four now yeah, yeah, yeah, next, No, 509 00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:45.440 but we we we intend to stay at that size where you can cram everybody 510 00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:49.079 into a room and yeah, make make those kind of decisions to cover. 511 00:32:49.359 --> 00:32:51.920 Did you do You look at it now and say, how did we make 512 00:32:51.960 --> 00:32:57.920 a game with seven people? I mean I think we not really, because 513 00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:01.839 I mean we were you mean, like compared to the twelve we have now, 514 00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:05.960 well I assume you're with twelve. Nobody's sitting there and being like this 515 00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:10.279 is easy. No, it's still it's still because like I got nothing to 516 00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:14.519 do today. No, I mean we have like we have like taken on 517 00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:19.640 we have like taken on more work, which is why we have more people. 518 00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:23.759 It's it's pretty simple in that regard. And we have like another game 519 00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:29.400 that we've continued to we have an existing game that we've continued to support while 520 00:33:29.440 --> 00:33:34.359 working on this game and so forth. So yeah, I think I think 521 00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:39.200 the reason we could have done it with fewer people on Bastion is because in 522 00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:43.680 some respects the scope of that game was smaller and also like we didn't have 523 00:33:43.880 --> 00:33:49.079 Bastion to support. So yeah, it's things like that, so we we 524 00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:52.960 we also just like the one of the big analogies or the like on Bastion, 525 00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:55.599 anytime we needed an animation, we had to like call in a favor, 526 00:33:55.880 --> 00:34:00.960 like we didn't have an animator, so and that game animation. So 527 00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:04.880 that that's something where after the game came out and thankfully you know, did 528 00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:07.880 did well, we're like, okay, now we could. This is just 529 00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:10.239 we didn't have a complete team on Bastion as where we see it, and 530 00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:14.719 we had to shore up those kind of weaknesses as as we move forward on 531 00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:19.280 this game. Let me let me just wrap up the development stories with what 532 00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:22.679 do you do now? Like so like now you're pretty much locked and loaded 533 00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:29.719 to go, everything's ready the continue down this horrible metaphor. The sights are 534 00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:34.079 aimed and triggers, Yeah, yeah, yeah primed, and what do you 535 00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:39.199 do? No, it's a weird yeah, you you say yes when Vinnie 536 00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:44.079 Carabella Caravella invites you to be on the Giant podcast, Yeah, you buy 537 00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:46.960 your time, man, because yeah, it's this is like, this is 538 00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:51.079 the eye of the storm for us. It's just gonna But is it the 539 00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:54.760 most nerve wracking It's, uh, it's not because you can't touch it, 540 00:34:54.880 --> 00:34:59.400 right, yeah, pretty much. No, that is nerve wracking for sure. 541 00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:01.239 It's just look at it. You can't touch it, and you just 542 00:35:01.480 --> 00:35:05.039 yeah, yeah, nobody, I don't know what anyone. Yeah, no 543 00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:07.159 one can touch it and you don't Yeah, I don't know what anyone like. 544 00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:10.800 Yeah, we don't like the you know, like we don't know what 545 00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:15.920 anyone thinks of it either, right, do you like kind of like oh 546 00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:17.519 no, we're still playing it a bunch, but it's like yeah, but 547 00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:21.599 I feel like if you were to play it'd be like they're they're for sure. 548 00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:27.880 I mean, I forgot. We we've had We've had plenty. So 549 00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:30.599 the good thing about that stuff is we we tend to we tend to squeeze 550 00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:34.079 in. That's I think we're more looking for the stuff that we still haven't 551 00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:37.519 There's always something you didn't know about, no matter how much you play it. 552 00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:42.840 I think, so we're we're we're on the hunt for anything, no 553 00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:45.320 matter how many times we've played it, is there's something that we overlooked whatever, 554 00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:49.960 because you can just never you can never play it too much, I 555 00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:52.960 think. But yeah, I mean, for the there's still plenty of kind 556 00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:57.079 of administrative stuff we have to do to get ready for next week. There's 557 00:35:57.119 --> 00:35:59.840 a lot of there's a lot of stuff we have to prepare. But it's 558 00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:05.199 but but transitioning from the part where you've been like feverishly making the game to 559 00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:09.199 the part where you're you know, you know, like you're not working on 560 00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:14.400 it actively anymore, that part for me has always been that part has always 561 00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:19.920 been really hard for me personally. Actually, I'm more comfortable when the hours 562 00:36:19.960 --> 00:36:22.719 are long and I'm just working away on the game than when it's like, 563 00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:29.599 well you're done, we're still yeah, So so I'm in short, I'm 564 00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:34.800 finding ways to keep myself busy between now and next week. And and is 565 00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:37.880 it nerve wracking? I mean, for sure it is. What what's your 566 00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:44.039 What's I was just about to ask, actually, if you have like a 567 00:36:44.159 --> 00:36:50.519 ritual like bottomless mimosas or no, there's nothing I mean I should, now 568 00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:52.840 now that you put it that way, I feel like I should have something 569 00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:55.880 like that. I don't. I don't know why I don't, So I 570 00:36:57.000 --> 00:36:59.440 haven't. I haven't worked on that many games, Like I haven't worked on 571 00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:00.840 enough to be yeah, I always you know, take it, take a 572 00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:05.840 shot at tequila, and you know whatever. I don't. I don't have 573 00:37:05.920 --> 00:37:08.840 any kind of ritual. Every single game I've worked on. The it's the 574 00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:13.360 context has been totally different when it when it came out and stuff. So 575 00:37:14.639 --> 00:37:16.679 when you be on forums and stuff just checking what people think, Yes, 576 00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:22.320 I'm gonna be looking at I mean, I you know, I I solid, 577 00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:25.199 Yes, I used I care, Hey, I care about what people 578 00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:28.559 think about this game, or I want to know. I want to know 579 00:37:28.639 --> 00:37:31.440 what people think about it. So I'm gonna be looking at that stuff with 580 00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:35.960 interest. I'm just curious, as like a former game critic myself, I'm 581 00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:39.800 curious what impressions there are of the game. And and then yeah, it's 582 00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:44.480 basically a combination of that stuff. Uh and and you know, seeing what 583 00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:49.119 practical what the practical response is on on like you know, the game's coming 584 00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:54.039 out on on PS four and Steam and and on Steam it's like there's gonna 585 00:37:54.079 --> 00:37:58.960 be every computer configuration under the sun playing the game. Like we've we've tested 586 00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:01.679 it as much as we can with a pretty sizeable team, but it's still 587 00:38:01.760 --> 00:38:06.639 nothing in comparison to the world. Yeah, to the world. So we're 588 00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:09.840 we have to be super on point responding to anything that we didn't anticipate there 589 00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:13.639 and and we and we intend to be. So we're just going to be 590 00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:17.199 on standby. You know, you're seeing if anyone has has any trouble. 591 00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:21.239 What is that I'm now I'm kind of adding more questions as we go. 592 00:38:21.320 --> 00:38:24.239 What is that process? Like of like you see the hints of a bug 593 00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:29.159 show up and then like over time you kind of just watch it and then 594 00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:30.599 say, okay, this is a bu No, not really, I mean 595 00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:35.840 it's way more immediate than that. In most cases. Sometimes there's there's like 596 00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:39.280 sometimes there's a weird mysterious stuff where like you can't if you can't reproduce it, 597 00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:45.119 then then it's just tough. But but typically, I mean it's easy 598 00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:47.639 to get ahold of us. Our our email is like you can like reach 599 00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:52.000 us like within the game, uh, and you know our emails on our 600 00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:54.800 website and whatever. So if anyone, you can email you from inside the 601 00:38:54.840 --> 00:38:58.840 game. Not not exactly, but there's like a link, there's a whatever 602 00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:02.039 is there's this team. No, don't with the web whatever the internet. 603 00:39:02.559 --> 00:39:09.480 Yes, the Internet is available on Uh there's a cool story about Meridian fifty. 604 00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:15.519 But yeah, I mean people will just if they haven't, they'll just 605 00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:20.960 email us, right, and then we just reply and started getting stuff like 606 00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:24.920 all I get is the black screen and then I've got seven monitors up to 607 00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:28.280 this. Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean we asked, Yeah, we 608 00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:30.119 just it's all case by case and stuff. Yeah, and we you know, 609 00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:32.920 as we gather information, it's like, yeah, you put up like 610 00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:37.400 a you just tell people what you're working on on the Steam forum. It's 611 00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:43.440 like, okay, these are This is just like speaking from from Bastion experience, 612 00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:47.440 where I think that game shipped nice and clean on on PC, but 613 00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:52.239 but they're still like random little features that people want. It's like, oh, 614 00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:55.760 I I want to be able to localize this game in Turkish? Could 615 00:39:55.760 --> 00:40:00.679 you add support for that? Like like, we're happy to whatever those random 616 00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:02.840 little things are. We love like looking at that stuff. And someone may 617 00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:07.880 have convinced you to rebalance the leaderboards at some point, yes, thus removing 618 00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:12.440 the previous number one seen number one account. Oh did they get Uh? 619 00:40:12.639 --> 00:40:15.559 I forget what happened? Like something changed about with the way you handled scoring 620 00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:17.800 and I lost my acts? Right someone? I lost what I thought would 621 00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:21.599 be my permanent number one spot on the leaderboard. Yeah, sorry about that. 622 00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:27.280 Probably deserves so some changes are really good. Yeah yeah, knock that 623 00:40:27.400 --> 00:40:30.639 guy off. Yeah yeah. Supporting your game launch, I mean it's it's 624 00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:35.679 it's fairly for us, it's fairly mundane. It's a it's a single player 625 00:40:35.719 --> 00:40:38.440 focus game. We don't have to like be worried about like sure can people 626 00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:43.719 hopefully we're not worried about can people even like play this game? But they're 627 00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:46.599 still just hopefully, you know, enough people will be interested in this game 628 00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:52.519 where there's just going to be some people who who want one thing or another, 629 00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:54.599 and we want to know what they have to say. Can I ask 630 00:40:54.639 --> 00:41:00.880 you a real inside baseball question? Uh? When you're for Steam? Yeah, 631 00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:04.559 do you like is there like a web form you're filling out with like 632 00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:07.360 release date and stuff like that, like time this should go live, cost 633 00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:12.760 this should like like drop down menus and basically like you know, like radio 634 00:41:12.840 --> 00:41:16.039 buttons that you're just clicking and are just like release, yeah, cost support, 635 00:41:16.119 --> 00:41:20.440 multiplayer support, uh, drop down. That's like when like a calendar 636 00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:22.760 that comes up, that's just like when do you want this to be released? 637 00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:23.760 Here? Do you want this on a Steam sale? Ever? No 638 00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:30.239 opt out? Yeah? So so Uh. There are still many very good 639 00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:36.840 human beings working at Valve Corporation, thankfully, though they have the degree to 640 00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:40.880 which that stuff And I don't think I'm saying anything that whatever. I mean, 641 00:41:42.320 --> 00:41:45.719 it's it's sort of it's wonderful to work with with that level of stuff. 642 00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:51.239 It is. It is highly automated and just you know, relatively painless. 643 00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:54.760 Like it's actually changed. This was interesting for us as a new experience 644 00:41:54.760 --> 00:42:00.280 because Baston also came out on Steam and it's changed quite a bit o time. 645 00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:02.840 Yeah. Back back in the Bastion days, we like email, you 646 00:42:02.920 --> 00:42:07.679 know, we like told a man all the stuff and then that man, 647 00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:12.559 you know, created a Steam page for us. Yeah, whereas here it 648 00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:15.760 was much more do it yourself, which was pretty cool because you could just 649 00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:17.599 if there's a typo or something, you don't have to be like, oh 650 00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:22.400 God, should I email this guy? Is this is this? You know? 651 00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:23.599 Am I gonna be bothering this guy to ask him to like fix this 652 00:42:23.719 --> 00:42:25.480 one thing for me. Can fix it yourself, and yeah, I fix 653 00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:29.960 it yourself. It's it's great. Like I just imagine this crazy form you 654 00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:31.719 fill out and then at the end it just says like browse file, go 655 00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:36.800 to desktop, upload the buyer. Yeah. So it's not it's not quite 656 00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:43.679 it's not quite that absurd, but uh but it's really Yeah, I mean 657 00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:46.440 it's it's like I said, it's it's been it's been great. It's been 658 00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:50.760 great to like finally get our Steam page up there, or doing all the 659 00:42:50.920 --> 00:42:54.159 trading card Steam achievement blah blah blah, all that kind of stuff we think, 660 00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:58.159 I mean, I think personally as really cool as like an avid whatever. 661 00:42:58.320 --> 00:43:00.880 Did you get your team Fortis two hats in there? Nah? Yeah, 662 00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:05.559 none of that set. Did you look into it? The thought the 663 00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:10.480 thought may have well, we we much much. You you understand that it 664 00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:15.199 doesn't take much to start talking about done, so we we. Uh, 665 00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:16.679 but yeah, we didn't think that kind of stuff made a lot of sense 666 00:43:16.719 --> 00:43:20.840 for this game. Okay, I know this is turning into twenty thousand questions. 667 00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:22.400 No, I have one more, just because you mentioned having been a 668 00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:25.480 game reviewer for as many years as you were. Once the game was finally 669 00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:29.440 know content complete blah blah blah, and you could play through the whole thing, 670 00:43:29.559 --> 00:43:31.960 Like were you able to resist putting on your reviewers hat and looking at 671 00:43:32.039 --> 00:43:36.519 that thing as a reviewer and like like did you feel in your gut like 672 00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:37.760 I know what I would give this game? Oh? I mean, well, 673 00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:43.480 like answer the question, so why would I? I don't know why 674 00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:46.719 I would resist that. I think it's like valuable. I didn't. I 675 00:43:46.840 --> 00:43:51.960 didn't do like I did not like write a review of the game during development. 676 00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:55.760 Sure, for sure. I here here's the thing, Like I used 677 00:43:55.760 --> 00:43:59.800 to work at places where they're like what but what will what will reviewers? 678 00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:01.719 Like? What will they think? And it's like, dude, they like, 679 00:44:01.840 --> 00:44:05.719 do you play games like they think the way you like? If you 680 00:44:05.800 --> 00:44:08.639 think something about this game is shitty, Like a reviewer is probably going to 681 00:44:08.679 --> 00:44:14.800 think the same thing. It's not not not to again I speak, I 682 00:44:14.920 --> 00:44:17.800 say this with the utmost of respect. It's not rocket science. Like they're 683 00:44:17.840 --> 00:44:24.000 not coming at it from some completely insane mindset that a person, as a 684 00:44:24.039 --> 00:44:28.760 game player you know, cannot fathom. So for sure, it's important to 685 00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:32.440 play it with a critical eye. That doesn't mean, you know, I 686 00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:37.639 actually have heard studios that will sit down and like review the game themselves and 687 00:44:37.719 --> 00:44:42.800 then like solve for issues that they bring up as a result of their reviews. 688 00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:45.440 For us, I don't know, we don't have any kind of contrived 689 00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:51.159 process like that. We do play test it a lot. We're very critical 690 00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:55.599 as game players, I think, and we're critical of each other's work, 691 00:44:55.719 --> 00:45:00.119 but it doesn't get too much more cerebral than that. I would like to 692 00:45:00.159 --> 00:45:04.280 think my past experience helps me as a developer in that regard. So yeah, 693 00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:07.480 I don't know if that answers your question, but yeah, I think 694 00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:09.719 I think that like publishers, you know, trying to get in the heads 695 00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:13.280 of game reviewers, what do they really think? It's like you really just 696 00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:15.239 want to know if you thought it was like an eight point nine or a 697 00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:19.679 nine. But you know, I don't, I don't know, Like like 698 00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:22.760 I've been out of the I've been out of the that game long enough to 699 00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:27.000 where you know, you can you can control the quality of your game, 700 00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:30.440 but you can't control the context, and you can't control people's experience with it. 701 00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:37.960 Like I don't know what what mindset people are going to have going into 702 00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:42.719 it, and that's yeah, we're not going the Cobo and you're not going 703 00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:46.000 to have the transistor review event down there and yeah not this year, not 704 00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:50.440 this year. Have them over your house, yeah, dinner, you know, 705 00:45:50.719 --> 00:45:55.079 just play it on my laptop and help you write it. You it's 706 00:45:55.800 --> 00:46:00.760 there's no there's no apostrophe, and it's you were with without it's just bioh 707 00:46:00.920 --> 00:46:06.519 you are. Oh. I'll wrap up pastoring you with questions with what do 708 00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:08.639 you so what are you looking forward to playing? Uh? And let me 709 00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:12.800 let me ask you actually that and what are you looking forward to seeing at 710 00:46:12.840 --> 00:46:15.199 E three? I like the thing at E three where it's like I had 711 00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:19.239 no idea this was going to be the or thing I care about, Like 712 00:46:19.360 --> 00:46:21.480 that's always the thing I look for. I don't know, I can't. 713 00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:23.840 I mean that project Beast thing I want to see for that, that's the 714 00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:28.039 thing recently that like, right, I actually want to see what that is 715 00:46:28.119 --> 00:46:30.280 for real? What do you want to see Nintendo do something? Right? 716 00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:32.400 Yeah? Man, I want to see him do something. I want to 717 00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:36.880 see them bring the pain. I think, like when when Nintendo Nintendo's a 718 00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:39.679 game is still I think they're the greatest. They're you know, quite possibly 719 00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:45.119 the greatest game developer. Like when they when they're at their best, when 720 00:46:45.159 --> 00:46:47.559 they make their best games, those games are really extraordinary. So I don't 721 00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:52.280 know, I'm the kind of guy. Maybe it's naive. I continue to 722 00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:55.079 hold out hope that Nintendo will like make something new. I would very much 723 00:46:55.239 --> 00:47:00.360 like that. At the same time, I'm very amenable to things like Metroid 724 00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:05.239 and so on when they again are new, and I really like I still 725 00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:08.519 play the three DS in particular rather avidly. I like me some three DS 726 00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:12.599 games. Yeah, so if there's like a new freaking fire emblem announced, 727 00:47:12.639 --> 00:47:15.519 I'd be very happy with that. For example, Uh, do what do 728 00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:17.079 you want Metal Gear to do? I don't know. There's no date on 729 00:47:17.199 --> 00:47:22.440 five on Phantom End next year, which okay, yeah, I mean I 730 00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:24.440 I don't want I want them to make that game good, you know. 731 00:47:24.679 --> 00:47:29.599 I just I haven't played I actually I need to play Ground Zeros. The 732 00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:32.800 reviews of that one we're a little discouraging for me, But but I want 733 00:47:32.840 --> 00:47:36.880 to play it for sure, as having played all all the other stuff. 734 00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:40.880 But yeah, I mean, I will forever sort of hold out hope for 735 00:47:40.960 --> 00:47:44.800 that stuff to be. It's weird and interesting self. I like my metal 736 00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:49.760 gear nice and crazy and kind of insane. Just just ambitious, you know. 737 00:47:50.239 --> 00:47:52.960 I think like those games are nothing if not ambitious. I think, 738 00:47:53.440 --> 00:47:57.960 I mean, you're obviously gonna be any three. I think so, I 739 00:47:58.159 --> 00:48:00.199 would like to. Yeah, I think I'm gonna be there as a as 740 00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:04.800 a civilian this time walking the floor. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I 741 00:48:04.840 --> 00:48:07.280 think so. So you kicked out of booths and yeah, exactly, I 742 00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:12.559 don't. Yeah, I haven't thought very far ahead after the launch of this 743 00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:15.519 game, so I will have to pick up, put my life back together 744 00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:19.800 in some fashion and see what happens. Is there any kind of like alumni 745 00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:22.920 association for E three where like, you know, I think it's more of 746 00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:25.079 a support group. Yeah, but like, if you're a developer, right, 747 00:48:25.199 --> 00:48:28.760 who's had a game, Let's say you've even appeared on stage at E 748 00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:31.760 three, you or a player in the E three theater, let's say, 749 00:48:31.840 --> 00:48:35.519 right, some door at the old Yeah, is it just like you were 750 00:48:35.599 --> 00:48:37.880 always invited back? Or is it just like who are you? No, 751 00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:39.639 you can't come in here. I can't get a bad I really like the 752 00:48:39.719 --> 00:48:43.639 idea of the thing you said, But I think it's more the second thing 753 00:48:43.800 --> 00:48:46.280 of like, man, you were just you were last year's news. I 754 00:48:46.639 --> 00:48:50.440 get the hell out of here. Read the one that I swear it was 755 00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:52.239 you. I was talking to a packs about the idea of Transistor being at 756 00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:54.800 E three, and I swear you were the one that said, like, 757 00:48:54.880 --> 00:48:59.199 there's nothing sadder than a game being on demo that's already out at a trade 758 00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:01.960 show. Oh uh, that may that sounds like something I may have said. 759 00:49:02.400 --> 00:49:07.320 Yeah. E three is very much about upcoming games. Yeah, so 760 00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:12.880 I don't. I actually don't. I don't know if if Sometimes there are 761 00:49:12.920 --> 00:49:15.559 games when it's like a big publisher's booth or something, it's like, oh, 762 00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:17.920 and here's the game that came out, but yeah, created it a 763 00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:22.119 little bit like what three weeks old er? Yeah, three weeks old ancient 764 00:49:22.239 --> 00:49:25.159 history by the time E three rolls around. So yeah, it's you know, 765 00:49:25.480 --> 00:49:30.079 I think three as a as someone who enjoys E three, I think 766 00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:34.280 E three, you know, there's enough upcoming games just fighting for each other 767 00:49:34.400 --> 00:49:37.400 tooth and fighting each other tooth and nail for for attention at that show to 768 00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:40.320 where they don't need recently released games to try to steal any of their thunder 769 00:49:40.840 --> 00:49:45.519 Drew. Hey, what's it like making a game? Uh? Well, 770 00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:51.679 how do you keep yourself? That's a whole process. Tell me about achievement 771 00:49:51.800 --> 00:49:55.280 icons. What was the resolution? Oh man, sixty four by sixty four? 772 00:49:55.400 --> 00:49:59.320 Is it really that small? Huh? I think yeah, it's pretty 773 00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:01.519 something came out sixty king came out what eight plus years ago? So yeah, 774 00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:05.840 that makes sense. But it was funny when Greg was talking about like, 775 00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:08.960 how do people on the team know, like how it's gonna be reviewed. 776 00:50:09.199 --> 00:50:13.760 I think I think you're right, Like some people are kind of blissfully 777 00:50:14.719 --> 00:50:19.199 unaware or like ignorant on purpose. But I think a lot of people they 778 00:50:19.280 --> 00:50:25.719 know. M you think our small team and like I didn't you know it 779 00:50:25.880 --> 00:50:30.800 was all dudes working on the game, not like higher up people who hope 780 00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:34.960 it I mean everyone hopes it'll be good. Yeah, but uh, some 781 00:50:35.079 --> 00:50:38.719 people I think have a more realistic, h view of it. We'll have 782 00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:44.239 to imagine. There are you know, spreadsheets and lists of things that people 783 00:50:44.239 --> 00:50:47.440 would like to get to but budget and I don't. I think there are 784 00:50:47.480 --> 00:50:52.440 things that even though your your game overall may not be great, that there 785 00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:58.360 are things that you're really proud of and that that you can create. Yeah, 786 00:50:58.400 --> 00:51:00.000 like crates, that you can take pride in that you that you said. 787 00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:05.199 Okay, I there's no way we're gonna make this a great game. 788 00:51:05.360 --> 00:51:07.000 We just don't have the time of the budget. But I'm gonna take it 789 00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:10.199 upon myself to make this one thing really really good and be proud about that. 790 00:51:12.039 --> 00:51:15.280 So what else? What have you been doing? Uh in your long 791 00:51:15.519 --> 00:51:21.920 hiatus from gamemaking? What did you do this weekend? This weekend, I 792 00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:25.199 played a fun game called What Happened to Me Last Night? One can be 793 00:51:25.320 --> 00:51:34.280 tough? Yeah, I hate indie games or playing Yeah, no, what 794 00:51:34.360 --> 00:51:36.360 happened to you last night? This? It was? It wasn't it was 795 00:51:36.400 --> 00:51:42.559 the night before? That's this is that DLC, It's what is the Night 796 00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:45.360 before? Dot com? Okay, yeah this this has never happened to me 797 00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:50.079 before. But so I got up in the middle of the night to go 798 00:51:50.159 --> 00:51:54.400 to the bathroom and I'm standing there in your bathroom and do you open your 799 00:51:54.400 --> 00:52:00.280 eyes and you're like on a subway platform. Blood. Oh no, not 800 00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:07.920 again, peeing on somebody or a Gammy figure. Your No, I swear 801 00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:12.239 I was in my bath what happened? I start to get kind of dizzy. 802 00:52:12.400 --> 00:52:15.239 Oh no, And I think it was because like I stood up real 803 00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:17.880 fast went to the bathroom, like locked my legs, and my head's kind 804 00:52:17.880 --> 00:52:21.960 of hanging down, you know, like, and I go like, okay, 805 00:52:21.960 --> 00:52:23.119 I may need to sit down because I don't think I can make it 806 00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:27.800 to the bed without like passing out. Like like I felt the blood rush 807 00:52:27.840 --> 00:52:31.320 out of my Yeah, my vision start to close in. So I'm gonna 808 00:52:31.320 --> 00:52:35.280 sit down. Pull on some g's right. Yeah. So I was like, 809 00:52:35.320 --> 00:52:37.519 I'm gonna sit down, and I don't remember sitting down. Fell asleep 810 00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:40.239 on the toilet? No, no, I was, I was standing Okay, 811 00:52:40.960 --> 00:52:45.480 So you did sit down on the ground of the bathroom. Oh no, 812 00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:47.039 we're not even on the toilet. No, well I was. I 813 00:52:47.159 --> 00:52:53.239 was peeing standing up. Stop. Yeah, okay, take a seat on 814 00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:58.599 your bathroom on the floor. Yeah, uh, with my backup against the 815 00:52:58.599 --> 00:53:00.719 wall. I would never sit on my bathroom. I had just cleaned it, 816 00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:04.960 Okay, But I don't remember the act of sitting down. So I'm 817 00:53:04.960 --> 00:53:08.639 sitting there and I like, I still can't see. So I sit there 818 00:53:08.719 --> 00:53:15.880 for a good number of minutes. I was kind of I don't know, 819 00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:20.199 I was woozy, sleepy, sleepy. I had some alcohol the night before, 820 00:53:20.239 --> 00:53:23.400 I was super drunk. Yeah. I think being dehydrated probably helped this 821 00:53:23.480 --> 00:53:25.840 too. But I sat there for a little while, collected myself and went 822 00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:29.800 back to sleep. I roll over it in the middle of the night, 823 00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:35.039 and my butt hurts, which is not the first time I've said this, 824 00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:40.760 And I figure I must have like plopped onto the ground. Yeah, like 825 00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:46.880 passed out and then fell back. Wow. Uh so when morning came, 826 00:53:47.039 --> 00:53:52.400 did you land on your cockxics? Uh No, on somebody else's cocks. 827 00:53:52.519 --> 00:53:57.440 It's more it's more the flesh. It's more like the muscle of my right 828 00:53:57.519 --> 00:54:01.440 the glute. But yeah, I go into the bathroom in the morning and 829 00:54:01.559 --> 00:54:07.639 turn on the light and there's a giant Drew's butt shape hole in drywall. 830 00:54:07.800 --> 00:54:13.440 Wow. What Yeah, I broke my own wall. You're with my butta 831 00:54:15.039 --> 00:54:17.280 really? Yeah, I mean that's gonna be some force. Yeah, let 832 00:54:17.360 --> 00:54:23.079 me tell you it still hurts. Wow. Yeah? Wow, so fighting 833 00:54:23.079 --> 00:54:27.599 your bathroom. But I don't know, I mean, you've kind of really 834 00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:35.559 episodes of flower behind that butt for us. I know, I don't And 835 00:54:35.719 --> 00:54:38.320 also, like my neck hurts. Also, didn't wake you up? Ord? 836 00:54:38.400 --> 00:54:42.840 Like you know, I think I must have passed out. Yeah, 837 00:54:42.920 --> 00:54:45.239 but like like from the blood rushing out of my head. Sure, but 838 00:54:45.360 --> 00:54:50.679 like you know you, I'm gonna make no assumptions here, but like, 839 00:54:51.480 --> 00:54:54.599 but first into a wall passing out is like that's a that's a special pass 840 00:54:54.679 --> 00:54:59.400 out. Yeah. Like so usually people go forward or down, but like 841 00:54:59.639 --> 00:55:01.960 not like butt out into a wall. I must have just like you know, 842 00:55:02.119 --> 00:55:05.800 tipped back on my heels and just kind of slumped to the ground. 843 00:55:06.639 --> 00:55:10.280 Knock one. Goodness, you didn't go ahead first into the or like like 844 00:55:10.679 --> 00:55:14.920 this to the right, to my tub, to my sink. It's a 845 00:55:15.199 --> 00:55:19.719 large that you've been a nice like compact bathroom. Right, I've been into 846 00:55:19.760 --> 00:55:22.719 his bathroom, beautiful. Did you punch him in the gut and shove him 847 00:55:22.719 --> 00:55:24.840 into the wall? Wake up, Drew, Come on, I'm just gonna 848 00:55:24.920 --> 00:55:28.840 leave. Like you're lucky you didn't hit something on the way down. There's 849 00:55:28.880 --> 00:55:30.760 a lot of bathroom. Yeah, there's like a towel rack which would have 850 00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:34.199 been right above my head. I didn't. I didn't hit my head or 851 00:55:34.239 --> 00:55:37.719 anything. So you just think you just kind of like from X time to 852 00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:42.360 X time, passed out but put a hole in the wall and then spend 853 00:55:42.400 --> 00:55:45.400 some time on the floor. Yeah, that's frightening. Do you think you 854 00:55:45.440 --> 00:55:51.679 were abducted? Maybe that's crazy. You have missing time, that's right to 855 00:55:51.760 --> 00:55:54.199 my knowledge, I don't have any other missing time. Wow, So that 856 00:55:54.360 --> 00:55:58.800 was Did you do go like CSI over your bathroom to try and like find 857 00:55:58.920 --> 00:56:02.079 other like traject Yeah? Did you put your butt to make sure it was 858 00:56:02.159 --> 00:56:07.880 your butt? If it didn't match, it's a red string from the impact. 859 00:56:07.159 --> 00:56:10.000 Yeah, yeah, totally like start going like you know, okay, 860 00:56:10.039 --> 00:56:14.719 I would have had to fall at this time, and like my watches stopped. 861 00:56:14.920 --> 00:56:16.480 You know. It's kind of a weird spot too. It's like right 862 00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:22.280 above the molding along the butt, so it's not like it's it's not like 863 00:56:22.360 --> 00:56:25.800 a couple of feet insane. Did you try did you reenactive to see what 864 00:56:25.920 --> 00:56:30.039 the motion would have been? No, didn't. Human butt wasn't made to 865 00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:31.599 bend at this angle. Good for you for having a butt that could put 866 00:56:31.639 --> 00:56:35.480 a hole in draw all, though, that's something like my butt would have 867 00:56:35.519 --> 00:56:38.840 just spread out and I just would have taken the blow and shock absorption, 868 00:56:39.039 --> 00:56:42.519 Yeah, a lot of more shock absorption, or it would have just been 869 00:56:42.559 --> 00:56:45.760 a full body through the wall. Uh just kind of like you know, 870 00:56:45.880 --> 00:56:50.400 cartoon style like arms out. That's that is? That is really something? 871 00:56:50.440 --> 00:56:53.239 Man? Yeah it was weird, but uh, almost as weird as the 872 00:56:53.320 --> 00:56:58.840 other activity I did this weekend, which was watch Eurovision. Oh yeah, 873 00:56:59.039 --> 00:57:01.320 yeah, I could see put your butt through the wall. Yeah that was 874 00:57:01.400 --> 00:57:04.880 on your revision, wasn't it one of the acts? Yeah, people put 875 00:57:04.960 --> 00:57:07.119 in their butts through drywalls? So hang on, was that a good goddamn 876 00:57:07.119 --> 00:57:09.840 it or bad? Because as the only authentic European in the room, I 877 00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:14.039 want to know if this is like something that is reviled by Europeans. No, 878 00:57:14.360 --> 00:57:16.679 this is uh see, I have to watch it because I was born 879 00:57:16.719 --> 00:57:20.760 there. You have options to watch the Eurovision, which is something I find 880 00:57:20.960 --> 00:57:23.480 completely beside. Well, Danny, why don't you set up Eurovision and then 881 00:57:23.559 --> 00:57:29.320 you can describe the American perspective? Okay, okay. Eurovision is basically imagine 882 00:57:29.400 --> 00:57:32.679 all the countries in Europe were teenagers and they all put together this band of 883 00:57:32.920 --> 00:57:37.440 Battle of the Band's competition, but none of them can sing, so they 884 00:57:37.559 --> 00:57:44.519 just try and stand out using flare, okay, using interesting aspects of like 885 00:57:45.039 --> 00:57:49.360 I'm going to dress up as Mumford and sons. One year, Ireland put 886 00:57:49.480 --> 00:57:52.599 through a hand puppet that was a turkey. Okay, so it's a giant 887 00:57:52.719 --> 00:57:55.280 challenge show for all of Europe. Yeah, basically involving some kind of singing. 888 00:57:55.519 --> 00:57:59.840 Yes, but you're saying that aside since nobody can sing, we need 889 00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:01.639 spectacle. Okay. Maybe I'm being a little bit unfair. Some people can, 890 00:58:01.840 --> 00:58:06.239 some people can, but they're still one in nineteen seventy four, and 891 00:58:06.320 --> 00:58:09.239 that's why they're famous. Really from Eurovision. Yeah, wow, Ireland's have 892 00:58:09.400 --> 00:58:12.960 the hot Maybe this is why I'm so bitter about it. We haven't won 893 00:58:13.000 --> 00:58:15.840 anything in like twenty years or something, but we're the highest amount of wins. 894 00:58:16.280 --> 00:58:20.559 In the nineties. We were dominant, killing it kick everyone's asses. 895 00:58:21.599 --> 00:58:23.559 That's where river Dance came from as well. It was the halftime show and 896 00:58:24.000 --> 00:58:27.079 your oversion ninety four. Yeah. See Greg's not on his head, so 897 00:58:27.280 --> 00:58:31.920 yeah, see yeah we have Michael. Yeah, thanks a well, So, 898 00:58:32.920 --> 00:58:37.280 Drew, you were watching Eurovision this year? Yes, you see, 899 00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:40.360 well I took notes. Okay, so I mean see Danny's like, oh 900 00:58:40.480 --> 00:58:44.760 why are you watching Eurovision? I also watched eurovisions so well, okay, 901 00:58:45.039 --> 00:58:49.559 but I do still love it. It's a. So it's super it's super 902 00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:52.280 corny, but it's so self serious. So if you're if you're in like 903 00:58:52.360 --> 00:58:57.480 the UK, you can watch the BBC, which apparently there's commentary on top 904 00:58:57.559 --> 00:59:00.519 of it, like Mister Science Theater or a quick look. Okay, so 905 00:59:00.639 --> 00:59:07.920 there's a guy doing commentary on the Yes, the original one was Terry Wogan, 906 00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:09.440 who was an Irish guy. He used to present it, but he 907 00:59:09.719 --> 00:59:13.800 because it was on late on like a weekend, he'd sort of be the 908 00:59:13.880 --> 00:59:15.599 only person in the BBC at night times. We'd sit there with a bottle 909 00:59:15.639 --> 00:59:21.159 of whiskey. Yeah, and when funny stuff happened, he would comment on 910 00:59:21.239 --> 00:59:24.039 it and that became a trope. And then the Eurovision was kind of serious 911 00:59:24.119 --> 00:59:28.519 up until like late nineties, and then it started getting kind of goofy. 912 00:59:28.840 --> 00:59:32.639 So then his goofiness continued and basically Graham North News, another Irish guy, 913 00:59:32.760 --> 00:59:37.440 took over from him, and yeah, he becomes part of that. In 914 00:59:37.480 --> 00:59:39.639 fact, they crashed into his at one stage during the during the show. 915 00:59:39.719 --> 00:59:44.159 Yeah. Yeah. So but the feed we get, which is like direct 916 00:59:44.199 --> 00:59:50.400 from the Eurovision website, is the standard, strict, like clean and very 917 00:59:50.519 --> 00:59:54.239 self serious. And that's that's why I like it because they think that this 918 00:59:54.400 --> 01:00:00.719 is like the pinnacle of art. Uh And meanwhile there's a guy behind the 919 01:00:00.760 --> 01:00:07.920 singer in a hamster wheel running and dancing. Oh yeah, who is that? 920 01:00:07.039 --> 01:00:10.880 What country was that? Ukraine? Okay, the very first So before 921 01:00:12.000 --> 01:00:16.360 it even starts, they uh cart everybody out here and they do like the 922 01:00:16.920 --> 01:00:21.239 you know in the Olympics, where they cart every you know, every country 923 01:00:21.280 --> 01:00:25.199 comes out and people cheer for him. Russia comes out and everybody booze yeah 924 01:00:25.559 --> 01:00:29.960 wow, which is kind of sad because it's like these two you know, 925 01:00:30.559 --> 01:00:35.400 teenage girls. But that's that's kind of going. Where is it held? 926 01:00:35.880 --> 01:00:39.440 It is held in whoever wins the last one? So this year was no 927 01:00:39.639 --> 01:00:44.199 In fact, we wanted so many times in the nineties there is a theory 928 01:00:44.320 --> 01:00:46.639 that we intentionally lost it because we couldn't afford to keep putting it on. 929 01:00:47.000 --> 01:00:51.840 We wanted like four times in six years. Yeah, it's pretty good, 930 01:00:51.840 --> 01:00:59.079 father, So is it Copenhagen? Copenhagen? Yeah, I can imagine Russian 931 01:00:59.079 --> 01:01:01.320 not playing while there. Uh so let me just go down the list here. 932 01:01:01.320 --> 01:01:07.039 I took some notes highlights. There was a French Lmfao okay, with 933 01:01:08.719 --> 01:01:13.599 a song called mustache. Okay, I'm just singing I want to have a 934 01:01:13.719 --> 01:01:20.000 mustache again. You can see how this is like cultures. Yeah, yeah, 935 01:01:20.440 --> 01:01:25.239 exactly. So at the end, part of the the intrigue to me 936 01:01:25.599 --> 01:01:30.360 is the voting process, which doesn't sound exciting but it actually is because they 937 01:01:30.440 --> 01:01:36.880 go around to every there's like a representative from every different country and based on 938 01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:39.840 how many votes they so they vote like American idol. Everyone in the country 939 01:01:39.920 --> 01:01:42.880 sends like, oh, I want to vote for this country, this country, 940 01:01:42.880 --> 01:01:45.480 and you can't vote for yourself, You're all Each country is voting for 941 01:01:45.559 --> 01:01:50.760 other countries, so you get to see political lines drawn there as well. 942 01:01:50.920 --> 01:01:54.199 Sure, so like and they show you they show whom the country voted exactly, 943 01:01:55.880 --> 01:02:01.880 so like all the old so you block votes for Russia, you know, 944 01:02:04.519 --> 01:02:07.800 all the Scandinavian countries, but for each other. Nobody votes for US. 945 01:02:07.880 --> 01:02:12.159 Are the UK anymore? Right? Yeah? Apparently? And France got 946 01:02:12.360 --> 01:02:17.039 total two points? Is that two votes or is that all vote? So 947 01:02:17.400 --> 01:02:24.639 when you're each country rates ten acts from one to ten, and I think 948 01:02:24.639 --> 01:02:30.360 they actually skip the number seven and the number nine, so the top three 949 01:02:30.480 --> 01:02:34.760 get twelve, ten and eight points. Okay, makes sense? And then 950 01:02:34.760 --> 01:02:37.599 it just goes by one down to the bottom. Okay, So that means 951 01:02:37.480 --> 01:02:43.840 two countries gave one point to France. And do you remember I don't remember, 952 01:02:44.039 --> 01:02:49.239 Okay, probably Belgium probably. I think I've given Russia twelve points every 953 01:02:49.360 --> 01:02:52.639 year. Really, they just always give them twelve points. It's just creepy 954 01:02:52.519 --> 01:02:57.199 that that stuff is fascinating to me. So every and every year it's something 955 01:02:57.280 --> 01:03:00.079 has happened in geopolitics that people are like, oh, I wonder which on 956 01:03:00.559 --> 01:03:02.519 what's going to happen with these two, like or in sports or something. 957 01:03:02.800 --> 01:03:06.559 And this year everyone was like, I wonder how many points Ukraine are going 958 01:03:06.599 --> 01:03:08.119 to give Russia and vice versa. Right, yeah, yeah, it becomes 959 01:03:08.280 --> 01:03:12.480 kind of weird. Yeah, what else did you see on their Let's see, 960 01:03:12.519 --> 01:03:16.400 Azerbaijan had a trapeze artist who was doing her thing above the singer worth 961 01:03:16.639 --> 01:03:21.199 Worth mentioning one of two countries in Eurovision that are not in Europe. Yeah, 962 01:03:21.239 --> 01:03:24.239 also in Israel. It's real is in Eurovision? Okay, It's like 963 01:03:24.320 --> 01:03:30.039 whoever is part of the European Video count the Broadcast Council or something, are 964 01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:35.119 we we are not? Okay? Yes, okay, you could be. 965 01:03:35.400 --> 01:03:39.119 Okay, let's see the Russian twins got boot a lot, and Danny thinks 966 01:03:39.159 --> 01:03:42.960 that they started piping in applause. Yeah, it was so how much they 967 01:03:43.000 --> 01:03:45.840 were getting. There was a certain stage where the laugh the booze had a 968 01:03:45.880 --> 01:03:52.480 little bit of clapping over it. Yeah. Yeah, Switzerland had a guy 969 01:03:52.480 --> 01:03:57.280 who could whistle really well and playing the violin. I believe Montenegro had a 970 01:03:57.320 --> 01:04:03.119 lady on ice rollerblades because the stage he used to stay the same stage. 971 01:04:03.239 --> 01:04:06.840 Yeah, so she's on rollerblades but dancing like an ice skater and behind her 972 01:04:06.960 --> 01:04:13.280 on the ground like uh sparks would fly or like glitter. You know, 973 01:04:13.599 --> 01:04:15.159 I missed her. Did she put on the sick grinds? Uh? No, 974 01:04:15.320 --> 01:04:20.039 unfortunately, Now it's question when. Yeah, the Armenian group had a 975 01:04:20.159 --> 01:04:26.320 guy in the middle of sort of like how Neptune has a has rings and 976 01:04:26.480 --> 01:04:30.639 they're tilted. There's a Saturn also Saturn. Saturn has tilted rings. It's 977 01:04:30.719 --> 01:04:34.400 like that, but a keyboard all the way around. Wow, So that 978 01:04:34.559 --> 01:04:41.840 was stupid, now you're getting it. Uh would he spin around? And 979 01:04:44.679 --> 01:04:50.280 yeah? It was weird. Let's see, halftime was like a space scientist 980 01:04:50.840 --> 01:04:58.519 singing Beethoven while everybody else stood on ladders, like not not a frame ladders, 981 01:04:58.599 --> 01:05:00.400 but like the straight up ladder is they like balanced on top of them. 982 01:05:00.440 --> 01:05:02.960 And then like there was a fog machine. Okay, yeah, I 983 01:05:03.039 --> 01:05:05.320 only caught a little bit of that. I was making Swedish meatballs. For 984 01:05:05.360 --> 01:05:10.760 a lot of this, there was a something like eight hours long. Yeah, 985 01:05:10.840 --> 01:05:13.840 it was like I think two or three hours of singing and then voting. 986 01:05:14.199 --> 01:05:18.039 What's what was your highlight? My highlight, well highlight for a lot 987 01:05:18.119 --> 01:05:25.239 of men Europe was Poland, okay, with a song called we Are Slavic. 988 01:05:25.599 --> 01:05:28.920 Okay. I saw a story about that song and a lot of the 989 01:05:29.000 --> 01:05:31.079 lyrics were like this is our nation, We're Poland, blah blah blah uh. 990 01:05:31.239 --> 01:05:42.519 And meanwhile the eye candy on stage was just say going through traditional Polish 991 01:05:42.599 --> 01:05:49.960 things like washing and churning butter referred to as borderline pornographic. Yes, they 992 01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:56.639 are super busty. Quote Polish women. Women. I don't know they want 993 01:05:56.719 --> 01:05:59.960 the ones singing, so the ones singing or the act I assumed if they're 994 01:06:00.119 --> 01:06:01.679 on the stage they must be, but they didn't. They didn't do anything 995 01:06:01.760 --> 01:06:08.719 besides just like turn turned butter seductively seductively. That's how you turned butter and 996 01:06:08.840 --> 01:06:15.199 apparently the people the people who vote in each country is not necessarily representative of 997 01:06:15.400 --> 01:06:21.000 what the points that are given are. So I think there's also like a 998 01:06:21.199 --> 01:06:27.480 judgment panel that takes maybe suggestions from the people's votes, but then says, 999 01:06:28.800 --> 01:06:30.559 you guys didn't actually want to vote for Poland because that was disgusting, so 1000 01:06:30.639 --> 01:06:33.760 we're gonna do them at one point. Yeah, like I think the UK 1001 01:06:33.880 --> 01:06:38.119 and Ireland gave like twelve points to Poland. Yeah, it's a bit of 1002 01:06:38.199 --> 01:06:41.320 like proxy voting from the people out there and like we want this, like, 1003 01:06:41.440 --> 01:06:44.800 ah, you know, I can't really do that for you. One 1004 01:06:44.840 --> 01:06:47.320 of the reasons as well, I always loved the bed of the sort of 1005 01:06:47.360 --> 01:06:51.039 transient nature of Europe as well, is that we gave we've given Poland's points 1006 01:06:51.079 --> 01:06:54.480 for a long time because it's actually quite a lot of Polish people living in 1007 01:06:54.480 --> 01:06:59.480 Ireland. So either it was people who were they were away from home or 1008 01:06:59.599 --> 01:07:00.599 just like families have been there for a long time. And it's the same 1009 01:07:00.639 --> 01:07:04.039 with the UK. So you see all these relationships kind of appear. Maybe 1010 01:07:04.079 --> 01:07:06.639 you just make up the relationships in your head, but based on what you 1011 01:07:06.719 --> 01:07:09.960 know, but it's kind of yeah, it's kind of cool, and everyone 1012 01:07:10.039 --> 01:07:15.440 in New Europe watches it because it's a sort of a seth deprecating spectacles. 1013 01:07:15.639 --> 01:07:20.920 We're pretty silly, huh, morbid curiosity? Who won Austria? What did 1014 01:07:20.960 --> 01:07:27.639 they do? She was a bearded lady for realsies, yes, okay, 1015 01:07:27.880 --> 01:07:32.920 a transgender woman okay, with a beard, a great beard, yeah, 1016 01:07:33.000 --> 01:07:36.800 like a Jesus better beard than I can grow? Okay? Uh? Who's 1017 01:07:36.880 --> 01:07:41.039 sang? Sort of like a kind of James Bondy sounding song like that you 1018 01:07:41.039 --> 01:07:45.199 would. They are all original songs, like everybody writes, they're not allowed 1019 01:07:45.239 --> 01:07:48.960 to be commercially released before the show. It's kind of like Adel's Skyfall song. 1020 01:07:49.320 --> 01:07:56.960 Okay, yeah, but uh yeah she crushed it, like she ran 1021 01:07:57.000 --> 01:07:59.320 away with it. The last two countries they didn't even like. Yeah, 1022 01:07:59.360 --> 01:08:00.880 it's a formality at this point because it's possible for anyone else to win. 1023 01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:03.280 Oh wow, that was actually one of the closest ones I've seen in a 1024 01:08:03.360 --> 01:08:06.800 while. Oh really, usually the winner is obvious by halfway. Oh wow? 1025 01:08:08.000 --> 01:08:12.920 Okay, Uh any other Eurovision highlights or tidbits that you want to share. 1026 01:08:13.960 --> 01:08:16.479 My Swedish meatballs were great. They were They were a real winner. 1027 01:08:16.600 --> 01:08:19.520 Yeah, they were a real winner. Is that the night you got poisoned 1028 01:08:19.560 --> 01:08:26.800 and put a butt hole in your wall? Yes? It was okay, 1029 01:08:27.600 --> 01:08:31.920 they were fantastic. Yeah. Uh did you do anything else? It sounds 1030 01:08:31.920 --> 01:08:36.039 like a solid weekend, Drew, but I'll ask just for be a completionist. 1031 01:08:36.159 --> 01:08:39.079 Anything else happened? That was it? I got it, took it 1032 01:08:39.159 --> 01:08:42.199 easy after okay? After that? Oh wow? So what do you have 1033 01:08:42.239 --> 01:08:44.800 to do? Do you have to gonna spackle your wall and fix it? 1034 01:08:44.840 --> 01:08:49.600 Egither, try and explain this one to the homeowners association or something? Right, 1035 01:08:49.680 --> 01:08:53.680 I don't know, would never believe you, Like, Oh, I 1036 01:08:53.760 --> 01:08:57.119 passed its button the wall? Yeah, look it's the same shape. It 1037 01:08:57.279 --> 01:09:01.319 was weird, man, I flushed the toilet and a book exploded. Uh, 1038 01:09:01.920 --> 01:09:03.960 Danny, Well, how was your weekend? It's pretty good. I 1039 01:09:04.000 --> 01:09:08.159 feel like you've shared your embarrassing story. I feel like I should share my 1040 01:09:08.239 --> 01:09:15.560 embarrassing Okay, last night I was catching up my good friend Alexa Skadia on 1041 01:09:15.720 --> 01:09:18.079 the vis and I decided to walk home. It was a nice enough evening. 1042 01:09:18.159 --> 01:09:20.119 It wasn't too late. I'd had a couple of beers, but I 1043 01:09:20.199 --> 01:09:27.239 was okay, and I was crossing the Visadero and sort of scampering across the 1044 01:09:27.319 --> 01:09:30.439 roads, no cars or anything, across as quickly as you can. Yeah, 1045 01:09:30.439 --> 01:09:31.720 I don't want to, don't I'm gonna amble. It's the roads for 1046 01:09:31.960 --> 01:09:36.039 cars. But there's like a central dividing thing which was hired than I thought 1047 01:09:36.079 --> 01:09:41.359 it was. I didn't really know. Yes, that's in the name, 1048 01:09:41.880 --> 01:09:45.119 and I jumped over it and clipped my toe and just ate it just on 1049 01:09:45.239 --> 01:09:49.279 the road. Felt like an old lady fall downstairs, just no control over 1050 01:09:49.840 --> 01:09:56.199 how I fell, so sprawled out elbow, my pants, my leg was 1051 01:09:56.239 --> 01:10:00.399 bleeding a bit like my hand had that you're not gravel thing it happens to 1052 01:10:00.479 --> 01:10:02.079 put your hand down and get all those things. Yeah, that's all kind 1053 01:10:02.079 --> 01:10:04.439 of nasty, but that's not me the worst part. I got home then 1054 01:10:04.640 --> 01:10:10.520 I was fine, just like you know, pants are done for clean myself 1055 01:10:10.640 --> 01:10:13.000 up. Fine, you know, it went to bed in my haste. 1056 01:10:13.079 --> 01:10:15.239 I guess I tried to ramshackle some sort of a bandage situation. I don't 1057 01:10:15.279 --> 01:10:20.359 have any bandages. Bandages are like the sort of things that somebody who moved 1058 01:10:20.359 --> 01:10:24.119 to a country five months ago just never buys. I just never acquired them. 1059 01:10:24.359 --> 01:10:26.560 So I woke up this morning and there's this dude, a buddy in 1060 01:10:26.600 --> 01:10:30.600 mine who's living one of his friends is staying in our place, and he's 1061 01:10:30.479 --> 01:10:35.000 walking in the hall. I walk out in my underpants a shirt. I'm 1062 01:10:35.000 --> 01:10:38.840 going to go have a shower. And I only realized then that what I've 1063 01:10:38.880 --> 01:10:42.199 done is I've actually duct taped a sock to my arm. Where'd you get 1064 01:10:42.319 --> 01:10:45.720 duck? I was doing some weird green screen stuff in my own Oh yeah, 1065 01:10:45.720 --> 01:10:48.680 I was gonna say a bandages, no, but duck tape like day 1066 01:10:48.760 --> 01:10:51.760 one, wrapped the sock around my arm. It obviously didn't stay, so 1067 01:10:51.880 --> 01:10:55.760 then I duct taped this completely. Forgot about this and looked down. I 1068 01:10:55.880 --> 01:10:58.600 was like, oh, I don't usually do this. How did it worked, 1069 01:10:58.640 --> 01:11:01.079 sir? Oh yeah, SOX covering blood not on the bed. Gross 1070 01:11:01.159 --> 01:11:04.640 job done? Yeah, job well done. Careful crossing the street, Yeah, 1071 01:11:04.960 --> 01:11:10.319 I'm gonna use the pedestrian one cross so we have them. We cross 1072 01:11:10.399 --> 01:11:13.800 the road. We paid uh yeah, we paid a lot of good money 1073 01:11:13.800 --> 01:11:15.439 for those blinky signs that are on the corners. Should use them. And 1074 01:11:15.479 --> 01:11:18.359 they are everywhere, they are everywhere, and they count down here. There's 1075 01:11:18.359 --> 01:11:23.439 so much fun with Alexis though, so he wanted to sprint as far away 1076 01:11:23.640 --> 01:11:27.880 as quickly as possible into the road. What else did you do? Game 1077 01:11:27.960 --> 01:11:30.359 wise? Played a bunch of It was the last game of the Premiership in 1078 01:11:30.479 --> 01:11:34.159 the UK, so I played a bunch of FIFA, played a bunch of 1079 01:11:34.279 --> 01:11:39.119 f one as usual. What I got into was, sir, you were 1080 01:11:39.159 --> 01:11:42.600 being hunted. Yeah, yeah, I've played a bit. It's great, 1081 01:11:42.720 --> 01:11:45.960 it's I've I've been interested in this for a while because it's made by Jim 1082 01:11:45.039 --> 01:11:49.479 Rosenald, who is from the sort of golden age of PC Gamer UK magazine 1083 01:11:50.000 --> 01:11:54.680 and where like Kieran Gillan was there and stuff like. Those guys are like 1084 01:11:54.800 --> 01:11:56.840 some of the best writers, like wanted me to work in you know, 1085 01:11:57.039 --> 01:12:00.520 games, journalism and stuff. And so he's the second in one because Tom 1086 01:12:00.600 --> 01:12:03.920 Francis released gun Point last year, so it's kind of it's crazy, this 1087 01:12:04.039 --> 01:12:06.640 new this breed of guys who wrote about games for so long, much like 1088 01:12:06.720 --> 01:12:12.479 Greg actually who are releasing games. I really like it a lot, actually 1089 01:12:12.560 --> 01:12:15.439 more than I thought I would. For folks who don't know, it's basically 1090 01:12:15.520 --> 01:12:17.279 I know you guys did a quick look of it. You are first person 1091 01:12:18.159 --> 01:12:21.479 stealth game. You are being hunted on this like archipelago of a bunch of 1092 01:12:21.840 --> 01:12:26.880 islands, and you have to collect these objects in the world to piece to 1093 01:12:26.880 --> 01:12:29.399 get a a machine to get off the islands. And essentially you start with 1094 01:12:29.520 --> 01:12:33.680 no immunition or objects, and you have to dodge these sort of quaint tweet 1095 01:12:33.720 --> 01:12:38.640 English robots that are walking around with shotguns. It's kind of like to jam 1096 01:12:38.720 --> 01:12:41.600 and earl, is it? Yeah? Yeah, collecting something. I just 1097 01:12:41.680 --> 01:12:45.119 realize that. Sure. Yeah, I think funky plus funky and more. 1098 01:12:45.359 --> 01:12:49.479 It is quirky. It is quirky, but not as much funk. You're 1099 01:12:49.560 --> 01:12:53.680 right. Uh, yeah, it's got a lot of atmosphere. Yeah. 1100 01:12:53.720 --> 01:12:58.039 I found the world to be a little empty, Yeah, sparse. I've 1101 01:12:58.279 --> 01:13:00.680 found that. I've done a couple of different plates throughs, and I've had 1102 01:13:00.720 --> 01:13:03.600 ones where I've been quite bored, and I've had ones which were immediately amazing. 1103 01:13:03.960 --> 01:13:06.000 And I think a lot of it is based on how early you get 1104 01:13:06.039 --> 01:13:11.600 a gun. Have you finished it? No? I'm still then games like 1105 01:13:11.680 --> 01:13:15.520 that, like any sort of open world sort of like first person thing likes 1106 01:13:15.600 --> 01:13:18.880 Skymer fall Out. I really enjoy just spending time there, taking my I'm 1107 01:13:18.920 --> 01:13:23.239 not really looking to complete them super fast. But what I found is that 1108 01:13:23.520 --> 01:13:26.520 it's one of these games where once you get a weapon, because the stuff 1109 01:13:26.600 --> 01:13:34.880 like ammunition is relatively scarce, that it actually creates really compelling shooting combat, 1110 01:13:35.000 --> 01:13:39.279 which I think is kind of one of those rare things in first person games. 1111 01:13:39.359 --> 01:13:42.039 And you're outgunned for sure. Yeah, I mean even if you have 1112 01:13:42.079 --> 01:13:44.720 a pistol or something, and if you shoot one. I got a blunderbuss 1113 01:13:44.720 --> 01:13:46.960 at one stage, which was taking them out in one shot from like forty 1114 01:13:47.039 --> 01:13:50.159 yards. But the thing was so loud, like they all came in, 1115 01:13:50.600 --> 01:13:55.119 they just and then suddenly you realize you've got you haven't got enough ammunition. 1116 01:13:55.239 --> 01:13:57.720 But I really like it. I tried to make a swim for it. 1117 01:13:58.800 --> 01:14:00.560 Did that robot thing get you? Boy? Something in the water does not 1118 01:14:00.640 --> 01:14:03.840 want you to leave that island, just the fair warning. Yeah, I 1119 01:14:04.239 --> 01:14:09.079 found it interesting. I think, like you said, I think you can 1120 01:14:09.199 --> 01:14:12.039 roll the dice and have a hit or miss scenario, like am I gonna 1121 01:14:12.039 --> 01:14:14.880 wander around for a while and see nothing? Or is this action gonna pop 1122 01:14:14.920 --> 01:14:18.000 off immediately? And sometimes it has gone like I can loot these houses. 1123 01:14:18.039 --> 01:14:21.319 I find it awesome. Item I found like a radar in the quick look 1124 01:14:21.359 --> 01:14:27.560 that just pointed me in the direction of the of the Yeah, yeah, 1125 01:14:27.920 --> 01:14:30.680 which I thought was awesome, like it just bepep. But then another time 1126 01:14:30.760 --> 01:14:34.159 I ran around and never found a gunner and axe and was just throwing bottles 1127 01:14:34.199 --> 01:14:36.880 the whole. Yeah, it was actually very hard, and I like how 1128 01:14:36.880 --> 01:14:40.640 they're not too upfront a bed telling you a lot of how that stuff works, 1129 01:14:41.079 --> 01:14:44.279 Like you don't know how far the robots can see. You don't know. 1130 01:14:44.720 --> 01:14:47.000 You know you've learned it. If you go and grass you can actually 1131 01:14:47.000 --> 01:14:50.760 get around relatively easily. How different it is a nice the stuff like the 1132 01:14:50.840 --> 01:14:54.319 birds when they move. If you run past the bush and the birds go, 1133 01:14:54.720 --> 01:14:57.560 the robots will see that and come looking for you. Like it's just 1134 01:14:57.680 --> 01:15:00.199 a fun game of like discovery, where many first person games, when you 1135 01:15:00.279 --> 01:15:04.039 play them, you understand ninety nine percent of their rules right off the bash 1136 01:15:04.119 --> 01:15:08.319 because they're just established, whereas this is there was so much stuff that you 1137 01:15:08.399 --> 01:15:12.840 got. I was discovering while playing it and dying that like dying was enjoyable 1138 01:15:12.880 --> 01:15:16.119 because I was learning more about the systems. Yeah, it's an an interesting 1139 01:15:16.159 --> 01:15:18.199 game for sure, and not very expensive. I think, No, it's 1140 01:15:18.199 --> 01:15:20.840 I think it's like twenty bucks. I think is it last year? But 1141 01:15:20.960 --> 01:15:24.600 maybe I got it on there was a little sale on it. Yeah, 1142 01:15:24.960 --> 01:15:30.039 anything else. I played some Assassin's Creed for Have you completed that? Yeah? 1143 01:15:30.279 --> 01:15:31.479 You have. I think you're like the only person in the world. 1144 01:15:31.560 --> 01:15:34.640 I think the only person in the work on top of the leaderboards checked me. 1145 01:15:34.720 --> 01:15:38.279 It's very hard to find a game. But no, it's something other 1146 01:15:38.319 --> 01:15:41.159 people have. I'm having the same problem I have with three. I think 1147 01:15:41.199 --> 01:15:45.159 it's a good, enjoyable experience, but I just can for the life when 1148 01:15:45.159 --> 01:15:47.399 we get into it, skip board of it at some point. So I 1149 01:15:47.520 --> 01:15:51.680 feel like I'm checking boxes. Yeah, one too many, like languild follow 1150 01:15:51.680 --> 01:15:54.880 emissions. Yeah, you can't get too close, but you can't get too 1151 01:15:54.920 --> 01:15:58.560 far away. Yeah. Like it's cool like the Yeah, the boat combat 1152 01:15:58.680 --> 01:16:01.399 was I really liked how you like didn't win mission two nights score right, 1153 01:16:01.640 --> 01:16:04.960 blew up a portion and then hopped off the boat and went in like you 1154 01:16:05.039 --> 01:16:09.880 do impressive. Yeah that's see. That's the thing. And maybe it's knowing 1155 01:16:09.960 --> 01:16:13.079 that I'm going to have to do twenty of them, knowing that these games 1156 01:16:13.119 --> 01:16:15.680 take twenty hours. I'm like, you get sick boat up grades? Man? 1157 01:16:15.840 --> 01:16:18.359 Yeah, what's wrong with you? I feel like that I don't like 1158 01:16:18.560 --> 01:16:21.760 our gameplay loop. Let's see. That's like if you were to like sum 1159 01:16:21.880 --> 01:16:28.000 up what last generation was for like so many like that genre of of how 1160 01:16:28.079 --> 01:16:31.479 open world games work. Like I just I don't know, I don't understand 1161 01:16:31.520 --> 01:16:35.159 actually why that game I find so trite. Yes, infam a Second Son 1162 01:16:35.279 --> 01:16:40.119 I really enjoyed, And they are so similar in terms of I think one 1163 01:16:41.279 --> 01:16:45.720 is like four to six hours, the other is thirty to thirty five hours. 1164 01:16:45.720 --> 01:16:48.359 If you're going to collect everything. Infamous Second Son was like, here's 1165 01:16:48.359 --> 01:16:50.640 everything you collect, it's on your map. Do you want to collected? 1166 01:16:50.760 --> 01:16:54.319 Go for it? Probably get it all like three hours. Yeah. And 1167 01:16:55.520 --> 01:17:00.960 Assassin's Creed, for though they it is the most game like of any Assassin's 1168 01:17:01.000 --> 01:17:04.960 Creed. They kind of just dismiss all the pretense of, you know, 1169 01:17:05.159 --> 01:17:09.119 you're a serious assassin stealth or whatever. It's like, no, here's a 1170 01:17:09.279 --> 01:17:11.680 gun, and like, you don't know, here's like eighteen swords you can 1171 01:17:11.720 --> 01:17:15.000 wield. At the same time, they still have a lot of you know, 1172 01:17:15.159 --> 01:17:18.319 go here and find all these things on this island and it takes a 1173 01:17:18.399 --> 01:17:25.720 while. Yeah. I liked it because let me do some of the things. 1174 01:17:25.760 --> 01:17:28.680 It got rid of all, like I said, the pretense. So 1175 01:17:28.800 --> 01:17:30.600 this is why I liked it and didn't like it. It got rid of 1176 01:17:30.640 --> 01:17:35.800 all the pretense of trying to justify itself through story. Yes, it just 1177 01:17:35.880 --> 01:17:39.359 said forget it. You know, you're not even an assassin. You just 1178 01:17:39.399 --> 01:17:43.680 found some robes on the beach. You're a pirate, you're morally ambiguous. 1179 01:17:45.039 --> 01:17:46.760 Yeah, just go for it. You can climb because you're a pirate. 1180 01:17:46.840 --> 01:17:49.199 I don't know, they all climb, right, uh? And that just 1181 01:17:49.319 --> 01:17:53.600 go And then on the flip side of that was the whole meta part of 1182 01:17:53.800 --> 01:17:57.439 you know, Ubisoft is making this game while you're playing this game, and 1183 01:17:57.520 --> 01:18:00.199 I like that because their story had really got away from their narrative. I've 1184 01:18:00.239 --> 01:18:02.840 really gotten away from them, and I feel like it was a good chance 1185 01:18:02.880 --> 01:18:05.840 for them to try and reset some of that. But at the same time, 1186 01:18:05.960 --> 01:18:10.159 I did enjoy the Assassin's Creed narrative for the most part, Like I 1187 01:18:10.239 --> 01:18:15.239 thought their story was a hook for me to come and play those games. 1188 01:18:15.319 --> 01:18:17.079 So one hand, yeah, I find it to be some of the most 1189 01:18:17.199 --> 01:18:21.359 fun. On the other hand, it was something that can probably be told 1190 01:18:21.399 --> 01:18:25.439 in five hours that stretched out the forty. So yeah, I hear the 1191 01:18:25.479 --> 01:18:28.079 criticism. I think they're fair. I like it. You should play more. 1192 01:18:29.319 --> 01:18:30.399 I really, I really hope watch Dog because I doesn't succumb to that 1193 01:18:30.479 --> 01:18:34.359 kind of repetition. But it does have a whole lot of those repeatable activities. 1194 01:18:34.399 --> 01:18:38.720 You know, there's like there are twelve gang I'm just pulling that number 1195 01:18:38.800 --> 01:18:41.319 out of thin air, but you know there are X number of gang hideouts 1196 01:18:41.720 --> 01:18:43.960 that you will take over over the course of this game, and stuff like 1197 01:18:44.039 --> 01:18:46.399 that. You know, like, ultimately, I guess if the minute to 1198 01:18:46.439 --> 01:18:51.319 manage like action is actually engaging and fun, then, like I often, 1199 01:18:51.399 --> 01:18:56.439 then I wonder did I enjoy Assassin's Creed games in spite of the core mechanics 1200 01:18:56.520 --> 01:18:59.800 that actually just did I not like the sword play? Maybe I didn't. 1201 01:19:00.039 --> 01:19:02.880 Maybe maybe the wonder of those games is what's lost and all that's left is 1202 01:19:02.920 --> 01:19:05.399 what's the game is, and I don't like it. So I don't know. 1203 01:19:05.760 --> 01:19:09.399 Yeah, I Watchdogs looks like I feel like that has a game as 1204 01:19:09.439 --> 01:19:12.720 a sense of place, and like I feel like that's what's missing from a 1205 01:19:12.760 --> 01:19:15.800 lot of these new open world games, whereas now they're they feel more gamy 1206 01:19:15.199 --> 01:19:18.520 than they did just when they first came out. You know, like even 1207 01:19:19.039 --> 01:19:24.520 Sunset Overdrive kind of looks like it's very aware of itself. And infamous second 1208 01:19:24.560 --> 01:19:27.840 Son was you know, it was super gamy. It was like here's your 1209 01:19:27.840 --> 01:19:30.560 magic powis and and it's kind of cool in one way, but I missed 1210 01:19:30.600 --> 01:19:33.760 the sense of you know, place and ownership of the world and stuff. 1211 01:19:33.840 --> 01:19:38.359 I think that's why I like the Assassin's Creed one the most for that, 1212 01:19:38.479 --> 01:19:43.000 there's a reverence to the assassination, right, like even though the mechanics really 1213 01:19:44.119 --> 01:19:46.159 they had to duplicate a lot of those scenarios and it got a little whatever. 1214 01:19:46.520 --> 01:19:49.479 Every time you assassinated somebody was a big deal, and like you were 1215 01:19:49.520 --> 01:19:54.960 trying to do it without you know, being discovered. You're sneaking up memory 1216 01:19:55.039 --> 01:19:58.520 had to like listen, we find clues. Like and if you contrast that 1217 01:19:58.640 --> 01:20:02.119 to four, like you're literally double two hands with swords, just running through 1218 01:20:02.199 --> 01:20:05.199 guys, spinning in circles. Yeah, just like you know, like a 1219 01:20:05.279 --> 01:20:08.760 Queens and Art you're just you know, like I would just run through a 1220 01:20:08.840 --> 01:20:11.640 door and like they'd be like, hey wait, stop, get into a 1221 01:20:11.680 --> 01:20:14.159 back alley and be like all right, let's counter my way out of this 1222 01:20:14.319 --> 01:20:17.000 and like have a mess of bodies around me. Yeah, you went from 1223 01:20:17.119 --> 01:20:20.079 you went from like kind of the somber Warrior monk in the first game to 1224 01:20:20.199 --> 01:20:24.239 like Han Solo basically yeah, you're you're yeah, And I wouldn't even say 1225 01:20:24.239 --> 01:20:26.800 Han Solo. I'd say like general grievous, like you're just kind of like 1226 01:20:26.960 --> 01:20:31.039 just spinning swords around killing everybody. And even two had a kill with a 1227 01:20:31.119 --> 01:20:34.439 purpose feel to it, right Like two was like you're moving the story forward. 1228 01:20:34.479 --> 01:20:40.359 These are big figures you're assassinating, and four is just like Sandbox kill 1229 01:20:40.399 --> 01:20:43.720 everybody. Uh, you know, he's not even speaking Latin when he's killing 1230 01:20:43.760 --> 01:20:46.399 somebody. What are you doing? It's like it's like that feeling you got 1231 01:20:46.439 --> 01:20:50.520 with those early games that those places existed ambiguous to you, like that they 1232 01:20:50.560 --> 01:20:55.520 were there before the game was and they'll continue to be afterwards. Whereas for 1233 01:20:55.680 --> 01:20:59.880 it feels like a playground that somebody's created for me from my characters. It's 1234 01:20:59.920 --> 01:21:02.239 a difference between like a real, living, breathing world versus like a contrived 1235 01:21:02.319 --> 01:21:04.840 video game play space. Right, So, to be fair to four, 1236 01:21:05.520 --> 01:21:10.119 they completely acknowledge that by saying that it is a game space that has been 1237 01:21:10.159 --> 01:21:13.560 created exclusively fair because they're making that game as you're playing, Like, don't 1238 01:21:13.560 --> 01:21:15.039 they go out of the other way multiple times to say like this is probably 1239 01:21:15.079 --> 01:21:17.880 not what happened historically, but we think it's more fun this way, Yes, 1240 01:21:17.960 --> 01:21:20.680 And like you're supposed to be the curator of what's fun or not by 1241 01:21:20.800 --> 01:21:25.840 rating those missions as you're doing it in game, and it's really really fascinating. 1242 01:21:25.960 --> 01:21:31.000 Yeah, anything else, I don't think. So I'm doing the thing. 1243 01:21:31.520 --> 01:21:33.800 Arsenal are playing in the FA Cup next week, which is like the 1244 01:21:33.880 --> 01:21:38.479 big finale, a big cup tournament in soccer in the UK football, and 1245 01:21:39.359 --> 01:21:42.479 so I'm doing my nervous thing where I'm just replaying the game over and over 1246 01:21:42.520 --> 01:21:46.880 again. So I've played Arsenal Versus at Norwich probably I don't know, twenty 1247 01:21:46.920 --> 01:21:49.840 times at this stage a sorry Hull probably been twenty times. So if you 1248 01:21:49.880 --> 01:21:54.479 do it enough, it becomes reality. Genuinely makes me feel less worried about 1249 01:21:54.479 --> 01:21:57.439 the game. It's always send them to my Hey guys, I took notes. 1250 01:21:59.039 --> 01:22:02.920 That's gonna go down? Uh when's that? When's that airings Saturday morning? 1251 01:22:03.279 --> 01:22:08.920 Like? What time? And nine am? I think our time? 1252 01:22:09.119 --> 01:22:12.039 Yeah, the f one started at five in the morning. That sucked on 1253 01:22:12.119 --> 01:22:15.680 Saturday. Will you be in a bar for that? I will. There's 1254 01:22:15.760 --> 01:22:18.880 a there is an Arsenal supporters club, and there are the Bay Area Gooners, 1255 01:22:20.159 --> 01:22:25.079 which the bag. Yeah, obviously I'll probably have to get there nineteen 1256 01:22:25.079 --> 01:22:27.800 minutes before the game to get a seat, so it's probably gonna be fun 1257 01:22:28.039 --> 01:22:31.960 fun Saturday. And then I'm doing the live stream with Rory on Saturday as 1258 01:22:32.000 --> 01:22:36.199 well for operations supply drops. That's right, a little charity pledge drive. 1259 01:22:38.119 --> 01:22:42.159 What time is that? Slur starts at nine am. Rory's doing the first 1260 01:22:42.159 --> 01:22:45.359 twelve hours and then I'm going to do it with Alexis and some more from 1261 01:22:45.640 --> 01:22:48.920 nine pm until nine am. So very cool, very cool. Well, 1262 01:22:48.960 --> 01:23:11.359 fellas, shall we get into news. Let's all right, fellas, that's 1263 01:23:11.399 --> 01:23:15.640 the news music and that can mean only one thing. Emails. Get out, 1264 01:23:17.000 --> 01:23:26.439 fuck out. I'm sorry, I gonna tack that again. That's the 1265 01:23:26.520 --> 01:23:40.760 news music and it can mean only one thing. Emails. God, that 1266 01:23:41.239 --> 01:23:45.520 is the news music, and we're gonna go straight into emails. Thanks for 1267 01:23:45.600 --> 01:23:48.840 joining us, Patrick for our new second Hi Patrick Clapping, You're here with 1268 01:23:48.920 --> 01:23:55.479 today's news only only today's news only today's news of what happened in the last 1269 01:23:55.600 --> 01:23:59.920 eight hours. Patrick, you are joined by Grecosovan, Daniel Dwyer, Brad 1270 01:24:00.159 --> 01:24:04.520 Shoemaker, and Drew Scandlin, and they want to learn all about what's happened 1271 01:24:04.560 --> 01:24:10.319 over the last couple of days. Well, that's that's a tall order. 1272 01:24:10.479 --> 01:24:15.359 That's a tall order. I brought a tall man. Kick it, baby, 1273 01:24:15.800 --> 01:24:18.520 there was I'm well, krimly if I'm wrong on things that have happened 1274 01:24:18.560 --> 01:24:21.279 since the last podcast, But I think all of this stuff is the stuff 1275 01:24:21.279 --> 01:24:25.359 that you guys haven't talked about. But well, I guess the big thing 1276 01:24:25.439 --> 01:24:29.680 today was that so like game Spy is shutting down, like the you know, 1277 01:24:29.800 --> 01:24:33.239 the long standing multiplayer service that powered I don't know. As it turns 1278 01:24:33.279 --> 01:24:36.840 out basically everything in the last ten years or so. It was also bought 1279 01:24:36.880 --> 01:24:42.319 by IGN, which for some reason I didn't I realized Game Spy was like 1280 01:24:42.479 --> 01:24:46.119 dead five years ago. The last thing I saw GameSpy in was Borderlands. 1281 01:24:46.439 --> 01:24:48.880 Is that? Yeah? I think Borderlands one had it. Yeah, I 1282 01:24:49.000 --> 01:24:51.920 think so what they're just that's it. They're done to close the doors. 1283 01:24:53.079 --> 01:24:56.119 Yeah, they're closing the doors. And like a bunch of developers started like 1284 01:24:56.199 --> 01:24:59.520 patching their games, like coming up with different solutions. I think Bungee like 1285 01:25:00.119 --> 01:25:04.439 sourced part of Halo on PC and then like worked with the users to find 1286 01:25:04.640 --> 01:25:10.359 modifications. But EA is shutting down just straight up fifty games like games like 1287 01:25:10.800 --> 01:25:17.439 Battlefield. Uh was it the Well what does that mean? I mean, 1288 01:25:17.600 --> 01:25:20.079 what do you mean when you can't play him on the internet anymore? What 1289 01:25:20.199 --> 01:25:24.239 does that really mean? It means you have to use himachi? Okay, 1290 01:25:24.319 --> 01:25:28.920 good, thank you? Really you can't play Battlefield on the internet, not 1291 01:25:29.239 --> 01:25:35.079 those old ones. What else you gonna do with Battlefield? Nothing? Uh? 1292 01:25:35.800 --> 01:25:40.880 Anything that uh you know about in terms of why they're shutting down aside 1293 01:25:40.920 --> 01:25:45.880 from being not a service anybody uses anymore of GameSpy. I that was a 1294 01:25:45.920 --> 01:25:47.399 little while ago. Let's see, uh I have there's a link here? 1295 01:25:48.119 --> 01:25:54.119 Uh it's O. They're just effective January first, twenty thirteen. I guess 1296 01:25:54.119 --> 01:25:56.920 this was a while ago. GameSpy has ceased to make it software available for 1297 01:25:57.000 --> 01:26:00.680 licensing. Oh and then effective made thirty twenty four, game spy will cease 1298 01:26:00.720 --> 01:26:05.920 providing all hosted services for games still using GameSpy. So I don't know necessarily 1299 01:26:06.000 --> 01:26:10.720 the sequence of events. Sequence events are why but yeah, it's I don't 1300 01:26:10.760 --> 01:26:14.039 know, it's it certainly makes sense that some games they would just you know, 1301 01:26:14.159 --> 01:26:16.439 sort of figure, hey, these games don't need to be supported anymore. 1302 01:26:16.479 --> 01:26:19.760 But I don't Battlefield two nineteen forty two. Yeah, there's a good 1303 01:26:20.039 --> 01:26:25.680 many and conquered games I met. I realized they're I think the ultimate shitty 1304 01:26:25.760 --> 01:26:28.600 part about this kind of news is the couple of developers that said, fine, 1305 01:26:28.680 --> 01:26:30.600 just you know, open source to code, let the community figure it 1306 01:26:30.640 --> 01:26:32.720 out. If they want to support it, they'll find a way to modify 1307 01:26:32.800 --> 01:26:38.960 the game, which is what a bunch of developers have done. That seems 1308 01:26:39.000 --> 01:26:42.680 like a reasonable way to compromise with the community. But I also imagine there 1309 01:26:42.720 --> 01:26:45.680 are a bunch of legal issues why open source code doesn't make it out there. 1310 01:26:46.079 --> 01:26:49.359 Brad sounds like he might know something about that more than I would about 1311 01:26:49.960 --> 01:26:54.079 stuff. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure that they'd have to 1312 01:26:54.119 --> 01:26:58.159 go through a zillion corporate approvals and all kinds of legal wrangling and stuff. 1313 01:26:58.159 --> 01:27:00.560 I mean, I was lamenting nineteen four two in particular on Twitter earlier because 1314 01:27:00.560 --> 01:27:03.479 it's one of my favorite multiplayer games. I mean, it's yeah, it's 1315 01:27:03.479 --> 01:27:08.640 a it's an indelible classic in that genre. Uh, And like I I 1316 01:27:08.760 --> 01:27:11.720 lost count of the number of people who responded to some variation of like a 1317 01:27:11.760 --> 01:27:13.960 wooden win was the last time you played it. It's like that's not really 1318 01:27:14.039 --> 01:27:15.399 the point, you know. I mean, it's not an issue of an 1319 01:27:15.399 --> 01:27:18.840 active player base so much as it is preservation, right, Like this game 1320 01:27:18.960 --> 01:27:23.479 is just no longer going to be playable new generation. How are they ever 1321 01:27:23.520 --> 01:27:28.239 going to put Battlefield nineteen forty two in the Smithsonian now right where it belongs? 1322 01:27:28.439 --> 01:27:30.079 How are folks is going to find out what's really happening on Wake Island 1323 01:27:30.079 --> 01:27:34.399 exactly people need to know? But yeah, I mean I'm totally with Patrick, 1324 01:27:34.479 --> 01:27:38.000 Like it's a shame that, Like, sure, it's not gonna make 1325 01:27:38.039 --> 01:27:41.239 EA any money to go back and invest the resources to update these games and 1326 01:27:41.279 --> 01:27:45.119 make them playable, but like some kind of compromise with people who are willing 1327 01:27:45.199 --> 01:27:48.399 to do that for free would be nice. Yeah, well, they'll just 1328 01:27:48.479 --> 01:27:51.760 rerelease it. I you know, I don't know we'll get a Battlefield nineteen 1329 01:27:51.840 --> 01:27:58.039 forty two two two that was in fifteen. One of the most frustrating parts 1330 01:27:58.039 --> 01:28:00.079 of this, I think is that I it was Argent's Twitter account. So 1331 01:28:00.079 --> 01:28:02.479 I'm not sure if this was followed up by an actual announcement, but they 1332 01:28:02.520 --> 01:28:05.720 did say three weeks so they were going to try something, do something to 1333 01:28:06.119 --> 01:28:11.439 preserve these games. I think in relation to like Battlefield specifically, Like I 1334 01:28:11.600 --> 01:28:14.720 used to be involved in clan stuff with Vietnam and I played BF two and 1335 01:28:14.920 --> 01:28:16.760 clans and whatnot. You like, shit, man, I was there. 1336 01:28:17.680 --> 01:28:20.359 I can't even tell you the stories on these podcasts. Yeah, but they 1337 01:28:21.159 --> 01:28:24.760 have lost a lot of their community with some of the stuff that's happened with 1338 01:28:24.840 --> 01:28:28.840 three and especially four and like to rub salt in the wounds of be like 1339 01:28:28.920 --> 01:28:32.680 oh and all these games that actually a lot of folks who play those play 1340 01:28:32.720 --> 01:28:35.399 these games and clans actually do go back and play those games to also just 1341 01:28:35.439 --> 01:28:38.720 say oh yeah, and we're also like not going to do that thing we 1342 01:28:38.800 --> 01:28:41.359 said we do and back them up. Is I don't know, just a 1343 01:28:41.399 --> 01:28:44.840 little too much. Yeah, I feel like if whoever is in charge of 1344 01:28:44.880 --> 01:28:47.640 the Battlefield community should do as much as they can to ensure that you do 1345 01:28:48.319 --> 01:28:54.239 whatever legwork is possible to just or to very least make the server stup open 1346 01:28:54.359 --> 01:28:57.640 to a lot of the community. We did games for Windows lives passed it 1347 01:28:57.720 --> 01:29:01.279 all in good luck. I guess it does say here that unfortunately, due 1348 01:29:01.279 --> 01:29:03.720 to technical challenge and concerns about the player experience, who would have a solution 1349 01:29:03.760 --> 01:29:09.199 at this time. However, we're looking into community supported options technical hurls remaining 1350 01:29:09.239 --> 01:29:11.720 at the time, we don't have anything to announce. So I it appears 1351 01:29:11.800 --> 01:29:15.319 they have at least considered that. But you know, it's not like it 1352 01:29:15.399 --> 01:29:18.840 doesn't It doesn't sound like anything is going to change tomorrow in that regard, 1353 01:29:20.000 --> 01:29:23.720 because I want to remember, at some point I read that John Carmack had 1354 01:29:23.840 --> 01:29:29.079 in his contract with Zenomax, you know, severer from like the Oculu stuff, 1355 01:29:29.119 --> 01:29:32.039 that he would be allowed to continue releasing his code open source in the 1356 01:29:32.119 --> 01:29:38.199 future because that was important to him, and that was something he eventually got 1357 01:29:38.319 --> 01:29:41.880 into his contracts. Yeah, matters anymore, But I don't know much about 1358 01:29:41.880 --> 01:29:45.840 the Yeah, we all know how much Enomax loves letting John carrac spread his 1359 01:29:46.079 --> 01:29:50.000 code. I don't know. I don't know that much about the legal mechanics 1360 01:29:50.039 --> 01:29:53.239 of putting that stuff out there, but it seems like it's pretty much an 1361 01:29:53.239 --> 01:29:57.079 athema to the corporate mindset, you know, of it being a protected trade 1362 01:29:57.119 --> 01:29:59.840 secret, and why would anybody in the right right mind put that out there 1363 01:29:59.840 --> 01:30:03.680 for free or just once you've released it, you have removed your ability to 1364 01:30:03.960 --> 01:30:06.600 you know, you know, like Vinnie said, do like a quick update 1365 01:30:06.760 --> 01:30:10.319 or rerelease it if you wanted to. If the community has already kind of 1366 01:30:10.359 --> 01:30:15.199 taken that on for you. I wonder if it's like a combination of you 1367 01:30:15.279 --> 01:30:18.119 know, preserving code and also just well, we don't have any plans to 1368 01:30:18.119 --> 01:30:21.680 do anything in the next fifty years, but maybe on year fifty one some 1369 01:30:21.800 --> 01:30:27.039 idea will strike us. So why why remove a revenue stream when it's not 1370 01:30:27.159 --> 01:30:30.199 bringing in any revenue, but maybe it could in the future. I mean, 1371 01:30:30.359 --> 01:30:32.359 I think that's a shitty attitude, but it wouldn't surprise me if that's 1372 01:30:32.399 --> 01:30:34.960 what it is. What else you got, Patrick, Well, all the 1373 01:30:35.399 --> 01:30:41.319 all the Tomodachi Life stuff that went down with Nintendo was one of those big 1374 01:30:41.319 --> 01:30:46.359 old things last week. They that weird kind of animal crossing sims like Sandbox 1375 01:30:46.520 --> 01:30:50.800 Life simulationship game, Tomnachi Life. It's coming out on a couple of weeks 1376 01:30:50.800 --> 01:30:56.039 student six, I think, and there's a big kerfuffle a couple of months 1377 01:30:56.079 --> 01:31:00.279 back, maybe longer than that. When due to exploiting a glid in the 1378 01:31:00.319 --> 01:31:06.520 game, players were able to sort of create homosexual relationships in the game that 1379 01:31:06.680 --> 01:31:12.239 was sort of removed through a patch that was you know, Nintendo claimed the 1380 01:31:12.560 --> 01:31:16.359 exploit was modifying save stuff, so they were actually just trying to fix the 1381 01:31:16.399 --> 01:31:20.520 game. But obviously that you know, looks bad. Even if even if 1382 01:31:20.560 --> 01:31:25.479 that's true, that looks pretty terrible in the optics. And then there was 1383 01:31:25.560 --> 01:31:30.960 a campaign by a member of Neo GAFF called me Quality, where rather than 1384 01:31:30.000 --> 01:31:33.479 boycotting, he basically just asked Nintendo would be nice if you in the localization 1385 01:31:33.560 --> 01:31:38.119 process, you know, maybe thought about the fact that this is pretty important 1386 01:31:38.199 --> 01:31:42.000 to Western values or is becoming more important to Western values, and fondoe to 1387 01:31:42.039 --> 01:31:45.520 put that in the game. And they put out like a real tone deaf. 1388 01:31:45.960 --> 01:31:47.640 I think it's probably the best description statement. I'm not going to read 1389 01:31:47.640 --> 01:31:53.760 the whole thing, but basically they said that by including homosexual relationships in the 1390 01:31:53.840 --> 01:31:58.520 game, it would be tantamount to social commentary, which which really irked a 1391 01:31:58.560 --> 01:32:00.319 lot of people. When they have just said, hey, we're just localizing 1392 01:32:00.359 --> 01:32:04.640 a game, we'll think about it next time. Social commentary implies it's just 1393 01:32:04.800 --> 01:32:09.279 it's just it's probably the worst wording they could have picked. Yeah, we'll 1394 01:32:09.359 --> 01:32:12.399 describe something like that, it's an acknowledge. Well, I guess tone deff 1395 01:32:12.439 --> 01:32:14.840 is the right way to say it, because you know, by not including 1396 01:32:14.880 --> 01:32:16.880 it, of course they're not doing any social commentary, right, so, 1397 01:32:17.560 --> 01:32:20.680 uh, well, they kind of followed that up with another press release, 1398 01:32:20.800 --> 01:32:24.359 right. Yeah, they put on another statement, which is basically what they 1399 01:32:24.359 --> 01:32:28.119 should have said at the beginning, was that it's hardy. We we realize 1400 01:32:28.359 --> 01:32:30.119 that this is important to people. We will can take this into consideration and 1401 01:32:30.159 --> 01:32:34.720 incorporate in the future Tominachi Life collection games. We just cannot do that for 1402 01:32:34.760 --> 01:32:38.760 the localization process, which you know, it's not the fact that they didn't 1403 01:32:38.800 --> 01:32:40.960 think about it in the first place when it was a known issue in the 1404 01:32:41.039 --> 01:32:45.199 Japanese version, didn't have a better statement ready at the beginning, or at 1405 01:32:45.239 --> 01:32:48.079 least this one, you know, you know, maybe suggests some problematic parts 1406 01:32:48.079 --> 01:32:53.760 about Nintendo, but it's I don't blame people for being pretty pissed about it. 1407 01:32:53.800 --> 01:32:57.159 I think part of the localization process is sort of a you know, 1408 01:32:57.199 --> 01:33:00.359 acknowledging cultural norms. It's you know, why in the nineties and Tenda was 1409 01:33:00.399 --> 01:33:04.479 famous for taking out all references to religion from SNSs games. They actually have 1410 01:33:04.520 --> 01:33:10.600 a long history of weird censorship going back years and years. But uh, 1411 01:33:10.920 --> 01:33:13.800 it seems like they it seems like they understand, you know, what they 1412 01:33:13.880 --> 01:33:18.239 stepped into. But uh, it seems easily avoidable. You're not talking to 1413 01:33:18.319 --> 01:33:21.399 your fan base the way you should be when you're kind of saying like, 1414 01:33:21.560 --> 01:33:24.960 oh, we're not gonna get involved in this because we don't want to get 1415 01:33:24.960 --> 01:33:28.279 into politics, when what you're doing is super political and charge. Yeah. 1416 01:33:28.359 --> 01:33:30.319 Yeah, I mean like Nintendo is a company that considers himself soon he makes 1417 01:33:30.399 --> 01:33:34.000 games for everyone, and you know in their statement they sort of to the 1418 01:33:34.079 --> 01:33:38.760 exclusion of some people, right yeah, yeah, maybe a technical hiccup, 1419 01:33:38.840 --> 01:33:42.560 but it's it's certainly one that you know, when bringing it over, you 1420 01:33:42.600 --> 01:33:45.199 know, probably should have been accounted for in some some fashion. What else 1421 01:33:45.239 --> 01:33:49.920 are you guy going on? They're maybe new on real tournament. What are 1422 01:33:50.000 --> 01:33:55.520 they are is? What's going on? We're making a new tournament? Yeah 1423 01:33:55.640 --> 01:33:58.640 yeah, I heard Drew was making it. Actually, Oh okay, but 1424 01:33:58.800 --> 01:34:00.079 I'm gonna need some time off. We talked, We talked a little bit 1425 01:34:00.079 --> 01:34:03.000 about this last week when they were saying, oh, we've got an announcement. 1426 01:34:03.319 --> 01:34:05.560 What did they announced? Well, they announced it. It's basically going 1427 01:34:05.640 --> 01:34:11.680 to be a sort of crowdsourced Unreal tournament created with some design, you know, 1428 01:34:11.800 --> 01:34:14.520 some work coming out of out of Epic. It's gonna be free, 1429 01:34:14.600 --> 01:34:18.159 but not free to play. They were kind of trying to be very pushy 1430 01:34:18.279 --> 01:34:21.640 on that term, because everything that's offered in the game will be free, 1431 01:34:21.760 --> 01:34:27.199 but there will be a marketplace kind of like Valves Steam Workshop where people can 1432 01:34:27.279 --> 01:34:30.600 create material and then you know, Epic takes a slice off of the profits. 1433 01:34:30.640 --> 01:34:33.199 I don't think they said what the margins were, but uh, you 1434 01:34:33.239 --> 01:34:35.800 know, I wouldn't be surprised if it was the seventy thirty split you know 1435 01:34:35.920 --> 01:34:40.319 you see elsewhere. But yeah, it's like they it was kind of cool. 1436 01:34:40.399 --> 01:34:44.800 They launched a two extream and then forked the Unreal code to create to 1437 01:34:44.920 --> 01:34:48.960 start the game. They did live. Yeah, I think it was staged. 1438 01:34:49.239 --> 01:34:53.000 Do you think actually working doesn't really matter? I still think it's kind 1439 01:34:53.000 --> 01:34:56.279 of cool. Is it gonna be called Unreal Tournament? Fork? Patrick? 1440 01:34:56.560 --> 01:34:59.439 Can can you follow this up? Verified? From it below? I can 1441 01:34:59.520 --> 01:35:03.359 follow this up up by quitting my job. Uh, that's cool as you're 1442 01:35:03.399 --> 01:35:08.640 any kind of date or timeframe for this stuff. They said, like prototypes 1443 01:35:08.680 --> 01:35:11.600 are months off, but that you know, you'll see all that stuff in 1444 01:35:11.680 --> 01:35:14.840 real time as it comes together. You know, I think this is a 1445 01:35:14.920 --> 01:35:18.359 really smart way to bring back on Real Tournament, like like these types of 1446 01:35:18.399 --> 01:35:21.880 shooters, which I had a deep affinity four and still do. Facing World 1447 01:35:23.000 --> 01:35:27.119 is probably the best multiplayer map I've ever played, and they don't work in 1448 01:35:27.199 --> 01:35:30.680 sixty dollars big box games anymore. Like that's just a market reality, but 1449 01:35:30.760 --> 01:35:34.960 making it free, having you know, moders incorporated into the marketplace. I 1450 01:35:35.000 --> 01:35:39.600 mean, Steams already been doing that for a while, so you know, 1451 01:35:39.680 --> 01:35:42.680 it makes a lot of sense that they would try and adapt on Real Tournament 1452 01:35:42.760 --> 01:35:45.760 to that because you just, I mean, on Real Ternament three was not 1453 01:35:45.920 --> 01:35:49.800 a great game for a lot of reasons that went beyond just selling that game 1454 01:35:49.880 --> 01:35:53.479 for sixty dollars. But I just don't think you can make a new on 1455 01:35:53.600 --> 01:35:56.960 Real Tournament and sell it for full price anymore. Yeah, it'll be an 1456 01:35:57.000 --> 01:35:59.520 interesting I'd love to see the tech that comes out of it, you know, 1457 01:35:59.560 --> 01:36:02.920 I hope it's gorgeous looking game. But you think they're developing a platform 1458 01:36:03.079 --> 01:36:06.720 for this or will be integrated into something like Steam or an existing plato. 1459 01:36:06.800 --> 01:36:11.119 I think Unreal Engine four has hooks for the stuff already. Okay, so 1460 01:36:11.239 --> 01:36:14.479 you just getting executable and we'll kind of have all this you know, mod 1461 01:36:14.560 --> 01:36:16.359 support in it. I mean, I don't I don't know if the consumer 1462 01:36:16.439 --> 01:36:18.960 facing tools for integrating those stuff are out there yet, but yeah, I 1463 01:36:19.000 --> 01:36:23.479 mean what they're doing is effectively yeah like Steam Workshop, okay, you know, 1464 01:36:23.520 --> 01:36:27.119 I mean this is this is TF two or Dota two, Like that's 1465 01:36:27.159 --> 01:36:30.640 how these games work. You know, they're totally free right mechanically, you 1466 01:36:30.680 --> 01:36:32.960 know, but they're making tons of money on just you know, people making 1467 01:36:33.000 --> 01:36:36.359 stuff for him. Not to mention, they have an engine that they want 1468 01:36:36.399 --> 01:36:41.239 to get out there, which which I think, like they had the announcements 1469 01:36:41.239 --> 01:36:46.279 around GDC that they're they're you know, Epic is finally making Unreal seemingly like 1470 01:36:46.319 --> 01:36:51.439 a lot more accessible to smaller teams, which you know, the previous console 1471 01:36:51.520 --> 01:36:56.600 generation is like dominated by Unreal, right, It's like so many BioShock and 1472 01:36:56.680 --> 01:37:01.000 Batman, all these games borderlandes ran on Unreal, but now that they're kind 1473 01:37:01.039 --> 01:37:05.079 of few frankly like fewer and fewer are these bigger studios using using Unreal, 1474 01:37:05.479 --> 01:37:11.439 tons and tons of little studios have been using Unity. So I think even 1475 01:37:11.520 --> 01:37:15.600 just this just my own speculation or whatever, but even just from a business 1476 01:37:15.600 --> 01:37:19.560 standpoint, it's like, hey, we need to like kind of adapt something 1477 01:37:19.720 --> 01:37:26.079 here. And so I found that Unreal tournament announcement really cool, and you 1478 01:37:26.159 --> 01:37:29.960 know, coupled with the earlier announcement about what they're doing with Unreal Engine, 1479 01:37:30.000 --> 01:37:31.000 and it seemed to just make a lot of sense. It's like, oh, 1480 01:37:31.039 --> 01:37:33.600 that's cool. Put it in people's hands, get give a lot of 1481 01:37:33.640 --> 01:37:38.640 people incentive to like learn this stuff and to feel ownership over it, make 1482 01:37:38.720 --> 01:37:41.520 it better and whatever, and then see what happens. Yeah, They've they've 1483 01:37:41.560 --> 01:37:44.880 got some adaptable, nimble business people over there. Yeah, And I mean 1484 01:37:45.000 --> 01:37:49.199 that stuff has been that type of mindset seems like it's been like monstrously successful 1485 01:37:49.239 --> 01:37:54.359 for Unity because Unity has its own you know, built in store ecosystem where 1486 01:37:54.399 --> 01:38:00.000 you could just like make stuff for Unity and as it's like middleware and stuff. 1487 01:38:00.039 --> 01:38:03.359 Yeah exactly. I mean, they're these there are a lot of independent 1488 01:38:03.439 --> 01:38:08.239 games that are made you know, with Unity and with like kind of these 1489 01:38:08.640 --> 01:38:12.560 so called like a quote unquote off the shelf. You know, you buy 1490 01:38:12.640 --> 01:38:15.760 it, spend fifty bucks on the Unity Store and solve some major problem that 1491 01:38:15.960 --> 01:38:20.600 you're having. I've I've I've I've hung around multiple Unity developer or people working 1492 01:38:20.680 --> 01:38:24.880 with Unity at different developers and like just listening to them talk shop about like 1493 01:38:24.960 --> 01:38:28.199 the plugins they're using and how much easier it makes their lives. So I 1494 01:38:28.239 --> 01:38:31.680 can make for like Unity that lets the controller be detected if you powered on 1495 01:38:31.880 --> 01:38:34.399 after you've launched your game, because you know, I know there must be 1496 01:38:34.439 --> 01:38:39.560 a market for that. I want to make one that just makes trees real 1497 01:38:39.640 --> 01:38:44.880 fast, just like just like speedy, fast fast fully. Yeah you got 1498 01:38:44.960 --> 01:38:46.520 it? Now did you do it? Patrick? What else is kicking? 1499 01:38:47.000 --> 01:38:50.880 Well? Harmonics launched to Kickstarter. They did that was like a that was 1500 01:38:50.960 --> 01:38:55.680 like a week ago. Yeah, sometime in the middle of sometime in the 1501 01:38:55.760 --> 01:38:58.199 night. I think it's last Monday. Actually, is it last Monday? 1502 01:38:58.359 --> 01:39:00.560 See what they're up to now? Yeah, they're they're bringing back amplet or 1503 01:39:00.680 --> 01:39:04.960 trying to bring back Amplitude. Yeah. They I'm trying to see, I'm 1504 01:39:04.960 --> 01:39:09.159 trying to see what they're at. They were asking for a two tientficant amount 1505 01:39:09.159 --> 01:39:14.359 of money seven are insist seventy five they million dollars. Think I think, 1506 01:39:14.399 --> 01:39:16.880 I think as the days a couple of days ago, they were projected to 1507 01:39:17.000 --> 01:39:20.039 not hit the number who projected who like what is? What is? Who 1508 01:39:20.159 --> 01:39:23.880 said that like pack it or something? Comes like no, no, no, 1509 01:39:23.960 --> 01:39:26.319 no, no, they're There are sites that predict I don't know if 1510 01:39:26.319 --> 01:39:29.600 it's algorithmically or if people are sitting there eyeballing everything, but yeah, there 1511 01:39:29.600 --> 01:39:31.279 are sites that say they're like side bets and this one, this one has 1512 01:39:31.319 --> 01:39:34.039 a sixty percent chance of making it. Oh wow, go to go to 1513 01:39:34.159 --> 01:39:39.079 kick track. It's and that's the useful tool that uh, you know, 1514 01:39:39.159 --> 01:39:42.920 it's not specific, but uh or it's not you know, necessarily always right. 1515 01:39:42.960 --> 01:39:47.199 It doesn't take into account necessarily the the emotional end of Kickstarter where people 1516 01:39:47.199 --> 01:39:49.920 are really excited in the beginning of the end, because it can't it can't 1517 01:39:49.960 --> 01:39:53.640 account for that an algorithm, but it does. It does use the amount 1518 01:39:53.640 --> 01:39:57.720 of money being submitted each day and then try and figure out what it's tracking 1519 01:39:57.760 --> 01:40:00.159 too if it stayed just on that path without you know, accounting for the 1520 01:40:00.239 --> 01:40:04.720 emotional beginning at an end and right now it is trending towards five hundred thousand 1521 01:40:04.720 --> 01:40:11.560 dollars, so so significantly under Currently, Uh, do kickstarters have anything where 1522 01:40:11.600 --> 01:40:15.600 it's like kind of like you you can't resubmit the same project within a certain 1523 01:40:15.600 --> 01:40:18.039 amount of time. I think you can that that game Treachery and beat Down 1524 01:40:18.119 --> 01:40:24.239 City. Just like they their first Kickstarter failed, they just like did another 1525 01:40:24.239 --> 01:40:27.359 one the following month and they succeeded. So I mean, I think I 1526 01:40:27.439 --> 01:40:30.000 think he had they change your goal. I think he asked for a little 1527 01:40:30.000 --> 01:40:32.680 bit less, but it's a it's on an order of magnitude lower than the 1528 01:40:32.760 --> 01:40:38.479 Harmonics one. But you could definitely relaunch a Kickstarter if at first you don't 1529 01:40:38.479 --> 01:40:43.680 succeed. Interesting, Okay, this is Harmonics's first Kickstarter. Yeah, they've 1530 01:40:43.720 --> 01:40:47.239 they've never done anything like this before, and they're you know, certainly probably 1531 01:40:47.279 --> 01:40:53.079 on the higher end of studios that have turned to Kickstarter for a crown fighting 1532 01:40:53.279 --> 01:40:57.520 opportunity. But it seems like they're running into some of the problems that a 1533 01:40:57.720 --> 01:41:01.920 lot of these six starters tend to have that are one console specific in that, 1534 01:41:03.000 --> 01:41:08.520 you know, one of the ways that Kickstarter projects tend to try and 1535 01:41:08.880 --> 01:41:10.800 you know, get a lot of people on board over the course of a 1536 01:41:10.880 --> 01:41:15.319 Kickstarter is by announcing multiple platforms, and so this is inclusive to PlayStation because 1537 01:41:15.359 --> 01:41:18.840 Sony owns the rights to Amplitude. But you know, things like a PC 1538 01:41:19.079 --> 01:41:21.439 version, you know, would probably go a long way to getting a lot 1539 01:41:21.520 --> 01:41:27.039 more people on board. I tend to wonder if them committing to the name 1540 01:41:27.119 --> 01:41:31.600 Amplitude maybe backed them into a certain demographic of people who would be willing to 1541 01:41:31.920 --> 01:41:36.239 contribute, that maybe wouldn't have been as much of a problem if they just 1542 01:41:36.319 --> 01:41:42.800 said this is pretty much amplitude, guys, I don't know that Amplitude and 1543 01:41:42.840 --> 01:41:46.640 frequency. Yeah, but I mean that rock Band PSP game was basically Amplitude 1544 01:41:47.079 --> 01:41:54.640 unplugged by Great Crates in that game. Yeah. It's an interesting news story 1545 01:41:55.119 --> 01:42:00.159 alone in just the sense that seeing bigger companies go to Kickstarter for what you 1546 01:42:00.520 --> 01:42:03.560 know, I'll say, are like passion projects, right, These are projects 1547 01:42:03.600 --> 01:42:06.479 that might not have mainstream appeal. There are things that people probably have come 1548 01:42:06.520 --> 01:42:10.279 at them, audience have come at them and be like, you should make 1549 01:42:10.319 --> 01:42:14.479 an amplitude and you know them being like there's no market for it, and 1550 01:42:14.640 --> 01:42:17.920 trying to go out to Kickstarter with the realistic or I don't know, I've 1551 01:42:17.920 --> 01:42:21.159 never made a game before a lot of money, which I assume they have 1552 01:42:21.199 --> 01:42:25.079 budgeted to be like this is how much it's gonna cost or a portion of 1553 01:42:25.159 --> 01:42:28.319 it, and to see if the audience will back if it's interesting, and 1554 01:42:28.319 --> 01:42:30.359 I wonder if it will see more of that coming down the road, you 1555 01:42:30.439 --> 01:42:32.960 know, when will Activision do one? You know, like when will we 1556 01:42:33.039 --> 01:42:38.439 see the big guys just the big story about this for me? I mean, 1557 01:42:38.520 --> 01:42:41.640 Harmonix is one thing, but to have this occurring under the auspices of 1558 01:42:41.720 --> 01:42:44.279 Sony, yeah, like they make a video game console, you know, 1559 01:42:44.560 --> 01:42:47.680 yeah, but they're part of a major multinational corporation, you know, and 1560 01:42:47.760 --> 01:42:50.199 it's not their kickstarter, but they are allowing it to happen, you know, 1561 01:42:50.479 --> 01:42:54.399 yeah, And like it's probably the biggest video game company to be involved 1562 01:42:54.439 --> 01:42:57.520 in one of these things, even tangentially very interesting and it'll be interesting to 1563 01:42:57.600 --> 01:43:00.319 see, you know, if this fails, If this succeeds, set me. 1564 01:43:00.520 --> 01:43:01.960 Will this be a barometer for that kind of stuff? I think what's 1565 01:43:02.000 --> 01:43:05.840 really useful about kickstarters like this, though, is that games cost a lot 1566 01:43:05.880 --> 01:43:09.319 of money to make, So, you know, as much as I'm you 1567 01:43:09.359 --> 01:43:12.720 know, sort of criticizing some of the approach and Harmonics has taken with this 1568 01:43:12.800 --> 01:43:16.239 one. I do think people don't realize that when you say, hey, 1569 01:43:16.319 --> 01:43:20.479 go make this game I really want, but you also want developers to be 1570 01:43:20.520 --> 01:43:24.159 paid well, how of health insurance, you know, all the things that 1571 01:43:24.239 --> 01:43:29.359 go into uh supporting you know, like a proper development culture that isn't just 1572 01:43:29.439 --> 01:43:32.199 scraping by like that should costs real money. Like I really doubt that seven 1573 01:43:32.319 --> 01:43:36.680 hundred and fifty is you know actual Yeah, no, yeah, I think 1574 01:43:36.680 --> 01:43:40.479 they've already said there if they hit the number, they're going to invest. 1575 01:43:41.199 --> 01:43:44.600 Oh I'm pretty sure I read this that they're invest like something like a million 1576 01:43:44.640 --> 01:43:47.439 dollars. But they need to you know, make sure that you know, 1577 01:43:47.439 --> 01:43:50.279 they have to hit a certain certain threshold to make sure they can do that. 1578 01:43:50.359 --> 01:43:53.680 And even if that even if I'm pointing that out in my ass, 1579 01:43:53.880 --> 01:43:59.199 like it's essentially games are really expensive and I think people have so little understanding 1580 01:43:59.239 --> 01:44:02.039 of how much games lost and something like this where I think Harmax is not 1581 01:44:02.119 --> 01:44:04.840 a company that's going to bullshit you like, even if they failure, if 1582 01:44:04.880 --> 01:44:09.079 this doesn't work, I think all that should really tell people is that, 1583 01:44:09.439 --> 01:44:12.359 you know what, like when you say, hey go make this game like 1584 01:44:12.920 --> 01:44:15.760 that's a lot of money, Like it's not. I think people don't have 1585 01:44:15.960 --> 01:44:18.920 a sense that seven hund fifty thousan dollars is actually not that much money. 1586 01:44:19.199 --> 01:44:21.680 It is a lot of money, it totally is, but it's also not 1587 01:44:23.119 --> 01:44:25.800 much money in the context still making video games. It's not. Yeah, 1588 01:44:26.399 --> 01:44:29.399 you know where they should just start pitching games instead of kickstarters, just like 1589 01:44:30.000 --> 01:44:32.560 they should just have like Star Citizen, where like Star Citizen will make a 1590 01:44:32.640 --> 01:44:35.520 planet that is your game, like you just land on this planet and it's 1591 01:44:35.600 --> 01:44:39.439 amplitude At this point, is what are they up to now? Eight hundred 1592 01:44:39.479 --> 01:44:42.680 and fifty billion dollars? Think there is when you say, yeah, we 1593 01:44:42.800 --> 01:44:45.880 need know one point seven million dollars to make Amplitude, and then you know, 1594 01:44:45.279 --> 01:44:51.439 see something like Star Citizen just basically absorbing cat like enough money, million 1595 01:44:51.479 --> 01:44:56.279 dollars, enough money in some vault that is just now absorbed like a black 1596 01:44:56.359 --> 01:45:00.920 hole sucking in all the money. If people walking by it like money's just 1597 01:45:00.000 --> 01:45:04.279 duplicated, it's crazy. That game better come out and it better be fucking 1598 01:45:05.159 --> 01:45:09.600 amazing, or better come with a ferrari for like each person who buys it, 1599 01:45:09.640 --> 01:45:11.920 because like I don't know how to make games. They don't know how 1600 01:45:12.000 --> 01:45:14.680 much money it costmates games. Greg, you're probably the know the most. 1601 01:45:14.760 --> 01:45:17.520 Here's forty two million dollars a pretty good budget for a game. Uh well, 1602 01:45:17.840 --> 01:45:20.680 so even that, I think, to Patrick's point, so that's an 1603 01:45:20.720 --> 01:45:28.600 extraordinary amount of money to generate game developer. But but relative to like Triple 1604 01:45:28.640 --> 01:45:31.520 A budgets, it's not world. No, it's not out of this world. 1605 01:45:31.640 --> 01:45:34.520 I mean there was I mean, Patrick, this may be on your 1606 01:45:34.600 --> 01:45:39.159 on your list as well, but there was like the recent Activision news going 1607 01:45:39.239 --> 01:45:42.760 around that like Destiny is like a five hundred million dollars bet that they're placing. 1608 01:45:43.239 --> 01:45:45.279 So compare like five hundred you know, it's an order of magnitude even 1609 01:45:45.319 --> 01:45:49.640 greater than yeah, Star Citizen, but you know, Destiny is is definitely 1610 01:45:49.760 --> 01:45:54.920 on the high end. But yeah, I mean, uh, for for 1611 01:45:55.000 --> 01:46:00.520 a crowdfunding project, Star Citizen absolutely boggles my mind. To me, it's 1612 01:46:00.560 --> 01:46:03.720 really it's really amazing. I agree with your your impressions. But yeah, 1613 01:46:03.840 --> 01:46:08.880 like once you're in that crazy, you know, Triple A stratosphere, I 1614 01:46:08.960 --> 01:46:13.560 mean, that's like your freaking marketing budget for like a couple of weekends or 1615 01:46:13.600 --> 01:46:17.920 whatever. When you're getting crazy TV, crazy TV spots and whatever else. 1616 01:46:17.960 --> 01:46:21.960 It's just on operating on a totally different level. But yeah, and then 1617 01:46:23.439 --> 01:46:25.760 it goes all the way on on down. I mean, Patrick, I 1618 01:46:25.840 --> 01:46:30.079 agree, it's like the three quarters of a million dollars sounds like completely insane 1619 01:46:30.079 --> 01:46:34.239 relative to most kickstarters, but even smaller, medium sized developers can burn through 1620 01:46:34.319 --> 01:46:38.600 that kind of money, you know, really really quickly in some cases. 1621 01:46:39.520 --> 01:46:42.520 I mean they're saying, they're saying, you know, March twenty fifteen is 1622 01:46:42.560 --> 01:46:45.319 when they're going to deliver the game, and that's you know, a little 1623 01:46:45.359 --> 01:46:48.920 under a year from now. Imagine. I don't maybe it's somewhere listened to 1624 01:46:48.920 --> 01:46:51.079 hear what the team size is, but let's say, you know, it's 1625 01:46:51.600 --> 01:46:56.960 you know, ten to twenty people. Like those people are all season developers 1626 01:46:57.000 --> 01:47:00.520 that are probably making salaries well above you know, between fifteen one hundred thousand 1627 01:47:00.520 --> 01:47:04.880 dollars, Like you get to seven hundred and seventy five thousand dollars really damned 1628 01:47:04.960 --> 01:47:09.319 quick. And actually, and that's not even counting like the fact that they 1629 01:47:09.600 --> 01:47:12.960 you know, work in a studio. You you you get to that number 1630 01:47:13.000 --> 01:47:15.800 in a couple of months, no problem. So you got you gotta pay 1631 01:47:15.800 --> 01:47:19.520 rent on your office space, You gotta worry about equipment and software licenses. 1632 01:47:19.600 --> 01:47:23.720 You gotta worry about like rezillion things. Yeah, Like part of it is 1633 01:47:23.760 --> 01:47:27.319 that the Broken Age Kickstarter was like this this sort of like Revel, you 1634 01:47:27.399 --> 01:47:30.720 know, the Sea Change moment. It was this like amazing thing that happened. 1635 01:47:30.800 --> 01:47:33.159 And what they asked for, I forget what they asked for, but 1636 01:47:33.199 --> 01:47:36.239 they got like they're over. Over was the initial goal. Yeah, so 1637 01:47:36.279 --> 01:47:41.319 they made almost ten times more or something like that. But even still, 1638 01:47:41.720 --> 01:47:44.520 like, you know, three million bucks to make a game like that, 1639 01:47:45.800 --> 01:47:48.159 and I think they I'm pretty sure they said they went and invested more there 1640 01:47:48.199 --> 01:47:51.960 in absolutely, I mean, and and frankly I think it shows. I 1641 01:47:53.039 --> 01:47:56.279 think it turned out. But but yeah, I mean, I think like 1642 01:47:56.680 --> 01:48:00.680 if you're if you're a game player, who you know chips in ten or 1643 01:48:00.720 --> 01:48:02.840 twenty dollars here and there on Kickstarter, you know these days like because you're 1644 01:48:02.960 --> 01:48:06.840 guaranteeing your your download code or whatever, and plus you're getting some other cool 1645 01:48:06.880 --> 01:48:12.880 reward or something like when I it's not necessarily I don't know, I don't 1646 01:48:12.960 --> 01:48:18.199 I really don't envy like games made made that way. It seems incredibly terrifying 1647 01:48:18.319 --> 01:48:23.319 to me because instead of having like one publisher to answer to, suddenly you 1648 01:48:23.399 --> 01:48:30.000 have like thousands of people who who will be justifiably very demanding about every aspect 1649 01:48:30.039 --> 01:48:32.439 of the game. And you know, the game is not done when you're 1650 01:48:32.479 --> 01:48:35.680 pitching it to Kickstarter, so things are going to change during the course of 1651 01:48:35.720 --> 01:48:40.520 development, and then you're gonna have to like convince everyone as to why your 1652 01:48:40.520 --> 01:48:43.560 plan is changing and all that that seems hard. I just I'm baffled by 1653 01:48:43.600 --> 01:48:47.000 this kind of suspicious mindset that emerges when kickstarters like this come out, where 1654 01:48:47.039 --> 01:48:49.960 a lot of people seem to assume the goals are set because the developers like 1655 01:48:50.039 --> 01:48:55.319 want to light cigars one hundred dollar bills, like yeah, when when like 1656 01:48:55.359 --> 01:48:58.720 the reality is like, like, we budgeted very aggressively for this, and 1657 01:48:58.880 --> 01:49:00.960 like this is what we need to get this done. I think the whole 1658 01:49:01.000 --> 01:49:05.119 thing has been very eye opening in some of the corridors of game development of 1659 01:49:05.239 --> 01:49:08.960 like, you know, budgets seemed to be able to range, like you 1660 01:49:09.039 --> 01:49:12.520 said, Greg, anywhere from you know, twenty dollars to twenty million to 1661 01:49:12.600 --> 01:49:15.279 forty million, right, Like, all about the scope and the scale of 1662 01:49:15.319 --> 01:49:18.039 the game, and I think some of the stuff, even that Skull Girls 1663 01:49:18.039 --> 01:49:20.960 stuff with like adding characters and this is how much it costs, has been 1664 01:49:21.079 --> 01:49:26.119 very interesting to see and I guess we'll see where Harmonics ends up at the 1665 01:49:26.359 --> 01:49:29.640 other end of this. When does this end? Patrick? In ten days? 1666 01:49:30.119 --> 01:49:33.880 They went they normally kickstarters are thirty one full month. You can change 1667 01:49:33.920 --> 01:49:38.640 that date. That's not something that's required by the Kickstarter terms of service, 1668 01:49:38.760 --> 01:49:43.960 but they believe. John Drake said at some point on Twitter that that was 1669 01:49:44.399 --> 01:49:46.159 like a scheduling thing, you know, because obviously they have lots of projects 1670 01:49:46.199 --> 01:49:49.560 going on and people that shuffle between them. So I think the eighteen days 1671 01:49:49.640 --> 01:49:54.359 was here's our window, if we're going to do this, this is the 1672 01:49:54.439 --> 01:49:58.159 eighteen days. And I think it's interesting, you know, one way or 1673 01:49:58.159 --> 01:50:00.239 the other. I think there are always lessons out of the whether they succeed 1674 01:50:00.359 --> 01:50:04.439 or fail, or how they succeed and fail. And knowing those goopballs, 1675 01:50:04.439 --> 01:50:08.960 I'm sure they have you know, some announcements lined up in between now and 1676 01:50:09.039 --> 01:50:13.159 them to try and spike interest, but certainly it's, uh, it's not 1677 01:50:13.239 --> 01:50:15.079 looking super great right now. Patrick, who has he got for news? 1678 01:50:16.720 --> 01:50:21.119 I mean, I mean the Oculus sending you know, you know, firing 1679 01:50:21.159 --> 01:50:27.000 back at Xenomax over the John Carmack stuff is kind of interesting. But I 1680 01:50:27.079 --> 01:50:30.359 don't know how much there is to say about the fact that they just said 1681 01:50:30.720 --> 01:50:34.880 nope to everything that Xenomax was alleging regarding CarMax involvement, like without us knowing 1682 01:50:34.960 --> 01:50:40.560 what CarMax contract is, and a lot of things that just aren't you know, 1683 01:50:40.720 --> 01:50:45.079 we're not privy to. It's basically just two media giants pissing in the 1684 01:50:45.119 --> 01:50:49.159 wind in front of the media, trying to see who which one will either 1685 01:50:49.199 --> 01:50:53.920 back off or which one can produce, you know, enough of a narrative 1686 01:50:54.039 --> 01:50:57.199 that they're forced to, you know, back off a little bit in the 1687 01:50:57.319 --> 01:51:00.439 the inevitable settlement that will happen as a result of this. I just think 1688 01:51:00.479 --> 01:51:05.560 it's interesting that Xenomax turned down equity in the company ahead of the acquisition, 1689 01:51:05.840 --> 01:51:09.279 and they seem to want more than that. Wait, I thought it was 1690 01:51:09.319 --> 01:51:12.920 the other way around. I thought they canceled Doom three because they wanted equity, 1691 01:51:13.279 --> 01:51:15.479 an Oculus wouldn't wouldn't give it up. That was my understanding. Oh 1692 01:51:15.520 --> 01:51:18.680 well, so it says Zenomax canceled VR support for doing three VFG, and 1693 01:51:18.760 --> 01:51:24.319 Oculus refused Zenomax's demands for a non delutable equity stake in Oculus. I guess 1694 01:51:24.319 --> 01:51:28.680 I don't know what. I guess non delutable means, so so I guess 1695 01:51:28.760 --> 01:51:33.279 maybe that that there was, you know, handwringing over what exactly equity means, 1696 01:51:33.319 --> 01:51:36.159 because I guess you would have to imagine that Oculus is trying to minimize 1697 01:51:36.199 --> 01:51:40.760 whatever their equity would actually be worth. But I don't know. It's I 1698 01:51:40.840 --> 01:51:44.600 think it's interesting to see how all this stuff play out, But I don't 1699 01:51:44.600 --> 01:51:46.319 know. These these kinds of stories are tough to say too much about, 1700 01:51:46.600 --> 01:51:51.720 given that what they're releasing to the media is so incredibly selective that it's it's 1701 01:51:51.720 --> 01:51:58.760 almost entirely to paint narratives for everyone to just jump on board with Patrick before 1702 01:51:58.760 --> 01:52:00.479 we get you off the horn, he uh, do you got anything you 1703 01:52:00.560 --> 01:52:02.920 want to share? We got E three coming up, and I think we're 1704 01:52:02.960 --> 01:52:08.640 out of news stories. But anything any insight from Chicago from the mind of 1705 01:52:08.680 --> 01:52:12.520 mister Kleppick that you want to share before we let you go for E three, 1706 01:52:12.560 --> 01:52:15.239 anything you're looking forward to I don't know. I mean the same thing 1707 01:52:15.279 --> 01:52:18.600 I do every year, where I sort of stop asking sources to like let 1708 01:52:18.640 --> 01:52:23.199 me know what they've heard or what's happening. Like a lot of the reporting 1709 01:52:23.239 --> 01:52:28.239 I do is not in the business of X game is rumored or why thing 1710 01:52:28.399 --> 01:52:30.960 is going to show up, like breaking that games are in development is. 1711 01:52:31.680 --> 01:52:36.840 I don't find that particularly interesting or a good use of my time with sources, 1712 01:52:36.920 --> 01:52:40.960 So I actually sort of just maul myself off from that stuff on the 1713 01:52:41.000 --> 01:52:45.159 weeks before, because you know, I really like games, but I like 1714 01:52:45.319 --> 01:52:48.880 the idea of going to a press conference and not knowing what's going to be 1715 01:52:48.960 --> 01:52:53.359 coming up next. It's like it's one of those few things I can hold 1716 01:52:53.399 --> 01:52:57.760 on to to stop me from becoming a horribly dark, cynical person, which 1717 01:52:57.800 --> 01:53:00.039 which seems to happen a lot when you when you get into a position that 1718 01:53:00.319 --> 01:53:03.520 we are in our jobs, and so I don't know, it's the same 1719 01:53:03.560 --> 01:53:06.640 as every year, Like I just I'm hopeful to see some new games. 1720 01:53:06.800 --> 01:53:11.279 You know, Sequelitis and Guns is like the last thing I want to see, 1721 01:53:11.279 --> 01:53:14.199 even though I know that I see that every year, But it seems 1722 01:53:14.239 --> 01:53:16.039 like if there ever was a year for there to be a lot of new 1723 01:53:16.119 --> 01:53:19.920 stuff that's really surprising. It seems like this year, is it? Although 1724 01:53:19.960 --> 01:53:23.520 I feel like I kind of say that every year, And if I can 1725 01:53:23.640 --> 01:53:28.800 come out of E three having played Project Beasts or whatever, I'll be a 1726 01:53:28.840 --> 01:53:31.720 happy man. Let me ask you these let me ask you three questions here 1727 01:53:31.720 --> 01:53:35.840 and you just say yes. No, Ready, a connect list, Xbox 1728 01:53:35.920 --> 01:53:40.760 one, Buddle No, so, no chance. It doesn't sound like anything 1729 01:53:40.880 --> 01:53:45.359 is going to change tomorrow. No, nothing. No, I mean I 1730 01:53:45.520 --> 01:53:47.840 think there I still think there might be. No. Okay, don't you 1731 01:53:47.880 --> 01:53:53.000 think it's a little premature to be making these kinds of predictions. I mean, 1732 01:53:53.119 --> 01:53:55.880 you know we're really close to April and PDS. Don't you think you 1733 01:53:55.880 --> 01:53:58.880 would like to see the context of the sales figures before you really put your 1734 01:53:58.880 --> 01:54:00.680 foot down on this. No, it doesn't sound like anything's going to change 1735 01:54:00.720 --> 01:54:04.560 tomorrow. No. I mean I think it would be fascinating to watch two 1736 01:54:04.640 --> 01:54:08.920 companies like duke it out at the same price point. I mean, no, 1737 01:54:09.399 --> 01:54:14.079 two media giants pissing in the wind in front of the media. No, 1738 01:54:14.560 --> 01:54:17.000 no, No, I think that's a little offensive. I don't know, 1739 01:54:17.119 --> 01:54:19.079 Patrick, do you want to walk that one back? Maybe a little 1740 01:54:19.119 --> 01:54:21.920 bit? No, Okay, I mean, did you could say what you 1741 01:54:23.079 --> 01:54:26.000 want? Pissing? Pissing, pissing? Are you aware that your views represent 1742 01:54:26.079 --> 01:54:29.479 all Giant ball? I don't find that particularly interesting. Are you aware that 1743 01:54:29.560 --> 01:54:32.600 there's an article on our site pissing written by you? No, proclaiming the 1744 01:54:32.640 --> 01:54:36.479 connection has been dropped from the Xbox One? No, what if I told 1745 01:54:36.520 --> 01:54:40.039 you that there were? No I could see it. Patrick, It says 1746 01:54:40.079 --> 01:54:43.159 your name right on it. No no, no, no, no, 1747 01:54:43.640 --> 01:54:46.800 no no Patrick, No this news bro No no it did pissing? No 1748 01:54:47.119 --> 01:54:50.840 no, yes, no, yes, I don't find that particularly interesting. 1749 01:54:50.920 --> 01:54:54.439 No connect through ninety nine? No, Patrick, do you have anything else 1750 01:54:54.479 --> 01:54:57.199 to say? It doesn't sound like anything's going to change tomorrow. Okay, 1751 01:54:57.359 --> 01:55:00.479 let's move on to the next question. How would you describe Dave Lang Giant 1752 01:55:00.800 --> 01:55:04.199 pissing in the wind in front of the media. Okay, a price drop 1753 01:55:04.800 --> 01:55:09.640 for Xbox one? Does a bundle count which is a fake price drop? 1754 01:55:09.800 --> 01:55:16.159 No? Yes, really, Mario Kart on Xbox one still beating the Drone 1755 01:55:17.960 --> 01:55:20.640 Man, How great would it be if just a Nintendo Lodo just show it? 1756 01:55:20.800 --> 01:55:26.279 I know it'd be the greatest. E three just makes noom, just 1757 01:55:26.399 --> 01:55:29.880 no business sense. But if just like at the end, like with no 1758 01:55:30.239 --> 01:55:32.159 like you know, sometimes they'll show a teaser just to close out of press 1759 01:55:32.199 --> 01:55:35.960 conference. If at the end it was just Nintendo logo up and just it's 1760 01:55:36.000 --> 01:55:41.479 a meme Mario and then cut the black Yeah, and then yeah, that's 1761 01:55:41.520 --> 01:55:47.359 you no explanation of like what the implication whatever money Microsoft has left in socks 1762 01:55:47.439 --> 01:55:51.560 and mattresses whatever, just needs to pay the half that happen. Uh, 1763 01:55:51.880 --> 01:55:56.159 there was there was one other since we're talking about E three speculation, there 1764 01:55:56.239 --> 01:55:58.920 was one other. I don't even know if it counts as a news story. 1765 01:55:59.039 --> 01:56:02.479 We didn't run it, but the uh that alleged uh kind of comprehensive 1766 01:56:02.520 --> 01:56:06.119 Sony press conference league. Yes, that was floating around And if you guys 1767 01:56:06.159 --> 01:56:09.039 have any thoughts on that thing, I mean, did we talk about that 1768 01:56:09.159 --> 01:56:14.279 last week or no, I think it happened after podcast, Like it all 1769 01:56:14.680 --> 01:56:18.520 seemed maybe a little too convenient and a little too wishful to me, which 1770 01:56:18.560 --> 01:56:21.439 is how most of this stuff. Yeah, it's like that's that's what that's 1771 01:56:21.840 --> 01:56:26.800 the genius of. If you're the person who is fake faking this stuff, 1772 01:56:26.920 --> 01:56:30.199 that it's really easy to create something that is a mixture all you need is 1773 01:56:30.640 --> 01:56:34.720 like six things that sound real and two things off a wish list. I'm 1774 01:56:34.760 --> 01:56:39.960 sure that and that that thing hit that that ratio just about perfectly. Yeah, 1775 01:56:40.079 --> 01:56:42.560 and this stuff happens every single year, like it totally could be right, 1776 01:56:42.680 --> 01:56:45.920 Like I saw that too, and you know if that happened, would 1777 01:56:45.960 --> 01:56:48.960 like would not be shocked. But and you know, obviously with you know, 1778 01:56:49.039 --> 01:56:53.079 the project be stuff that's coming out, you know, people have access 1779 01:56:53.159 --> 01:56:59.079 to you know E three materials are are certainly in the hands of folks larger 1780 01:56:59.159 --> 01:57:02.239 than just the small teams planning it. But yeah, it like it could 1781 01:57:02.279 --> 01:57:05.319 be or could not be. Like it's part of the fun of the three 1782 01:57:05.399 --> 01:57:09.880 honestly, is like seeing that stuff and just watching people go ape shit. 1783 01:57:10.479 --> 01:57:13.600 Uh, it's you know, it's all part of the E three hype train. 1784 01:57:14.199 --> 01:57:16.239 Whoo whoo all aboard. Uh well, thank you, Patrick, and 1785 01:57:16.479 --> 01:57:20.079 uh we'll if not talk to you soon, we will see you very soon. 1786 01:57:20.680 --> 01:57:24.479 All right, talk to you guys there, Take care, see you 1787 01:57:45.279 --> 01:57:49.239 well. Brad Shoemaker. You know what that music means. News. Time 1788 01:57:49.319 --> 01:57:55.119 to hit the news. The biggest news this week, the emails. That's 1789 01:57:55.199 --> 01:57:58.479 right, the emails, biggest news. Brad shoemaker. You pick these emails. 1790 01:57:58.520 --> 01:58:00.159 I did well. I did a first pass and then I didn't know 1791 01:58:00.199 --> 01:58:02.159 if you wanted to come over. Do you want to read them? I 1792 01:58:02.199 --> 01:58:04.720 can hand you this laptop if you want to read them, Yes, I 1793 01:58:04.760 --> 01:58:06.880 could. Yeah, I wann't you read them? This is weird. I 1794 01:58:06.920 --> 01:58:10.399 mean, somebody else has to say it now. This is your magnumocus. 1795 01:58:10.439 --> 01:58:12.199 I know, man, this is my moment, this is it. This 1796 01:58:12.359 --> 01:58:15.359 is my greatest test. This is like some weird singularity happening. All right, 1797 01:58:16.920 --> 01:58:20.359 but you have to read them. Yeah, in an Irish I'll know, 1798 01:58:20.720 --> 01:58:24.399 I'll know who's gonna weird. Okay, well here hang on, let 1799 01:58:24.439 --> 01:58:29.319 me put on my best brogue. Okay, I mean, dear bomb cast, 1800 01:58:30.039 --> 01:58:34.840 what do you think the proper cast I should make you do a Kevin 1801 01:58:34.840 --> 01:58:38.840 Spacey accident? All right, Brad, let's have it all right. Here's 1802 01:58:38.840 --> 01:58:41.359 an email. Okay, here's an email from John in Los Angeles, who 1803 01:58:41.399 --> 01:58:45.520 asks, what do you think are the proper number of pillows on an ideal 1804 01:58:45.600 --> 01:58:47.720 bed? I see pictures of beds and magazines with like six or more pillows. 1805 01:58:48.079 --> 01:58:51.159 Personally, the first thing I do when I'm traveling is take all superplous 1806 01:58:51.159 --> 01:58:55.279 pillows and throw them on the ground where they belong. I only need one 1807 01:58:55.319 --> 01:58:58.720 at most, and sometimes I just don't use a pillow at all. Is 1808 01:58:58.760 --> 01:59:01.039 that strange? I was hardened by sleeping on a Japanese bed for a few 1809 01:59:01.119 --> 01:59:03.960 years, But extra pillows are blankets when I'm trying to sleep make me angry 1810 01:59:05.720 --> 01:59:10.079 anger. I was totally with him until the no pillow. Yeah, it's 1811 01:59:10.119 --> 01:59:12.720 like, WHOA, sure, that's that's hard. I think it depends what 1812 01:59:12.840 --> 01:59:15.279 your last remaining pillow is, right, Like if it's like it's if it's 1813 01:59:15.319 --> 01:59:19.039 a sheet that's masquerading as a pillow with no stuffing or anything in it, 1814 01:59:19.119 --> 01:59:21.479 then like that's garbage. You're gonna need like four of those. Yeah, 1815 01:59:21.800 --> 01:59:25.560 I've got a John Drake body pillow. If it's John Drake body pillow, 1816 01:59:25.560 --> 01:59:29.399 I need four of those. Yeah. Uh. Like I I have broad 1817 01:59:29.520 --> 01:59:31.680 shoulders, so when I sleep on my side, I actually need about a 1818 01:59:31.800 --> 01:59:35.560 foot and a half of like pillow, otherwise my neck is kind of tilting 1819 01:59:35.600 --> 01:59:39.359 him over to the side. So like, if I don't have enough pillow, 1820 01:59:39.359 --> 01:59:42.039 I've got to shove like an arm under there and then like stack like 1821 01:59:42.159 --> 01:59:45.640 candlops or something under there to have enough. So it's kind of depends on 1822 01:59:45.720 --> 01:59:49.640 what the pillow is. All pillows are not created equally. I'm totally totally 1823 01:59:49.720 --> 01:59:53.079 with him on the hotel thing, like all that shit, like you get 1824 01:59:53.119 --> 01:59:56.760 one of those giant foot pillows, Like the packs hotel we were in had 1825 01:59:56.800 --> 02:00:00.840 that giant cylindrical foot pillow like the width of the entire bed, like you 1826 02:00:00.199 --> 02:00:02.279 drop your ankles up all night. You have. The worst thing about that 1827 02:00:02.439 --> 02:00:04.640 was as well, it was that they we had four pillows on the bed. 1828 02:00:04.680 --> 02:00:09.359 It's going to sound like some awful privileged nonsense, but there's four pillows 1829 02:00:09.399 --> 02:00:12.520 on that bed. They were all the same size. Give me options. 1830 02:00:12.720 --> 02:00:15.000 Do you want different one variety? Yeah, like big one. They were 1831 02:00:15.039 --> 02:00:19.439 all massive. Couldn't seep a massive pillow? YEA to two? Yeah. 1832 02:00:19.560 --> 02:00:24.000 I always put a pillow on the other side of my head. What what? 1833 02:00:24.399 --> 02:00:26.960 Wait? Yeah, so if I'm laying down on my on my right 1834 02:00:27.039 --> 02:00:29.520 side, I put a pillow on the left side and on top of your 1835 02:00:29.560 --> 02:00:33.039 head like a sandwich, like a head sandwich. Exactly. Wait, why 1836 02:00:33.239 --> 02:00:40.439 in case somebody like falls through a bathroom wall, Like why to cover my 1837 02:00:40.520 --> 02:00:43.760 ear? Is it loud? I think I just I got used to it 1838 02:00:43.840 --> 02:00:47.159 in college because people would study and spiders. That's smart. Yeah, well 1839 02:00:47.199 --> 02:00:51.079 wait, like really all the way even now, Yeah, it's weirdness. 1840 02:00:51.119 --> 02:00:56.760 I'm nice. Do you ever wake up choking on feathers? No, nobody 1841 02:00:56.840 --> 02:00:59.840 has feathers in their pillows anymore. What are you crazy? You ever weak 1842 02:00:59.920 --> 02:01:04.600 up choking on styrofoam and peanuts? Uh? Gregor you're you're a single pillow? 1843 02:01:05.000 --> 02:01:10.760 Yeah, very much, one pillow, No sheets, sheets, No, 1844 02:01:13.079 --> 02:01:16.520 she's on a wooden plank. You'd be surprised. Man. In La. 1845 02:01:17.079 --> 02:01:23.079 Yeah, in La, I rolled with like a deflated air mattress even 1846 02:01:23.119 --> 02:01:27.640 blown ups. Yeah well it was it would Yeah, it had gone flat 1847 02:01:28.039 --> 02:01:30.520 and was not replaced. I just need enough support to keep try and keep 1848 02:01:30.560 --> 02:01:32.960 my head at like ninety degrees. That's, you know, really what it 1849 02:01:33.000 --> 02:01:36.239 comes down to. I never, I really never quite get it. Do 1850 02:01:36.279 --> 02:01:43.039 you all sleep on your sides? I sleep facing down? You really learn 1851 02:01:43.079 --> 02:01:46.399 a lot about people and you're asking you're basically just the weirdest things. First, 1852 02:01:46.520 --> 02:01:49.079 face pillow is the weirdest thing. But you you turn your head to 1853 02:01:49.119 --> 02:01:53.399 the side. Yeah, yeah, dude, I don't sleep my face. 1854 02:01:55.439 --> 02:01:58.600 Well, then it's just kind of like to just body face down into the 1855 02:01:58.680 --> 02:02:01.680 side. Just that seems like it would hurt your neck, though, I 1856 02:02:01.760 --> 02:02:04.359 guess yeah. Sometimes I sleep on my back is up, but the side 1857 02:02:04.399 --> 02:02:08.399 thing is usually like just to rest the shoulder for a while, and then 1858 02:02:08.439 --> 02:02:11.680 when I know I'm ready to sleep, I sleep on my stomach. So 1859 02:02:11.760 --> 02:02:15.119 when I sleep on my back, I take the fluffiest pillow, fluff it 1860 02:02:15.199 --> 02:02:18.039 up, put it behind my head, but angle it so that like rotated 1861 02:02:18.079 --> 02:02:25.520 along the longitudinal axis ninety degrees, so that it's like standing up on its 1862 02:02:25.600 --> 02:02:29.079 longest side. And then I I thumped my head into the back of it 1863 02:02:29.199 --> 02:02:32.159 so that the pillow fluffs up around my ear. But I really don't want 1864 02:02:32.199 --> 02:02:36.399 to hear anything right again, this this was developed in college studying in my 1865 02:02:36.439 --> 02:02:40.880 dorm room. Did everyone have night terrors in your door room where they they 1866 02:02:40.960 --> 02:02:45.920 studying by shouting? So pubs up behind my ears, and then you take 1867 02:02:45.960 --> 02:02:48.319 the other one and you put it over your eyes, oh my god, 1868 02:02:48.479 --> 02:02:51.159 but not over your face because so you have to tilt that with ninety degrees 1869 02:02:51.239 --> 02:02:55.800 too, so it's just like Jordy Laforage over your eyes, and so your 1870 02:02:55.800 --> 02:02:58.279 mouth can still breathe, but you don't wake up the like in the same 1871 02:02:58.359 --> 02:03:03.960 position. No, just right. Yeah, So okay, did you make 1872 02:03:04.039 --> 02:03:06.880 exceptions if you're ever like sharing a room with somebody or you're just like, 1873 02:03:08.119 --> 02:03:12.479 I gotta wait for them to fall asleep, get my thing on, Yeah, 1874 02:03:12.600 --> 02:03:15.560 I gotta like or just like, hey, heads up, I know 1875 02:03:15.600 --> 02:03:17.920 we're sharing a room where you're staying with me or something like that. I 1876 02:03:18.000 --> 02:03:21.279 don't want to hear anything you say, or I want to hear your breathing, 1877 02:03:21.319 --> 02:03:25.039 so I'm gonna cover. I'm gonna block you out. It's nothing personal. 1878 02:03:25.520 --> 02:03:28.760 I put pillows on my face. Yeah, I guess I'm a light 1879 02:03:28.800 --> 02:03:32.479 sleeper. Okay, I wish I didn't really know. I mean, I 1880 02:03:32.560 --> 02:03:36.640 guess with the whole ear thing. Uh, it would make sense. But 1881 02:03:36.800 --> 02:03:42.840 like recently, I got woken up by a mouse in my apartment. Like 1882 02:03:42.960 --> 02:03:45.680 the noise of a mouse in my wall I've had, I've gotten Yeah, 1883 02:03:45.720 --> 02:03:49.000 I think that like that scratch scratch, I got woken up by a cockroach 1884 02:03:49.079 --> 02:03:56.039 behind my bed ones that's a big uh. Well, I've got a solution 1885 02:03:56.079 --> 02:03:58.359 for all you guys that have pillow problems. I have a kid, and 1886 02:03:58.439 --> 02:04:00.399 you just never sleep again. Yeah, and you just don't have to worry 1887 02:04:00.439 --> 02:04:04.039 about putting your head down for years, Brad, you want to take it's 1888 02:04:04.079 --> 02:04:10.760 the next email? Do I ever? Uh? Stefaun Stockholm says hello, 1889 02:04:11.239 --> 02:04:14.479 Hi, I have developed a theory that any game with a good rocket launcher 1890 02:04:14.600 --> 02:04:17.119 is automatically also a good game. My friends, However, do not see 1891 02:04:17.199 --> 02:04:20.520 him convinced? Could you please help put this argument to rest and back me 1892 02:04:20.680 --> 02:04:25.399 up here? I see you chose the emails for this week's show. Would 1893 02:04:28.560 --> 02:04:31.920 yeah, I can't correct. All of the classic rocket launchers come from the 1894 02:04:32.000 --> 02:04:36.359 classic games, you know, so what you have no kind of modern rocket 1895 02:04:36.439 --> 02:04:43.479 launcher show piece? How do you find modern? Uh? Let's say in 1896 02:04:43.479 --> 02:04:46.079 the last asking what's my favorite rocket launcher? No? Rocket launchers are all 1897 02:04:46.199 --> 02:04:50.279 realistic now. Yeah, it's like take like eight seconds, you know, 1898 02:04:50.520 --> 02:04:57.800 two two rounds of AMMO and it'll take whatever take. Yeah, okay, 1899 02:04:57.920 --> 02:05:00.880 Brad, what's your favorite rocket launcher? I think you know? Yeah, 1900 02:05:00.399 --> 02:05:04.079 there's the correct It's the Quake one. It's Quake one rock launcher. That's 1901 02:05:04.119 --> 02:05:08.159 the one that matters. The only is the only one that matters. Okay, 1902 02:05:08.319 --> 02:05:11.720 it's never been as good before or since? Uh? Can you name 1903 02:05:11.800 --> 02:05:15.439 some bad rocket launchers or quake the Quake two rocket launcher, Okay, fair 1904 02:05:15.560 --> 02:05:17.920 enough, was was garbage? Does that mean quake to a bad game? 1905 02:05:17.960 --> 02:05:24.079 Then they it was just there to showcase the rail gun. Yes, yes, 1906 02:05:24.279 --> 02:05:27.800 so it was real gun almost made up for it. But Quake two 1907 02:05:27.840 --> 02:05:30.399 grenades were best in class though those were all right, yeah, twisties. 1908 02:05:30.600 --> 02:05:33.039 Then Quack three came out and it had a better rocket launcher in the rail 1909 02:05:33.079 --> 02:05:36.720 mon. So was Dafan saying? Was it was his kind of theorem here 1910 02:05:36.840 --> 02:05:42.079 that good rocket launcher equals good games or bad rocket launcher equals But he didn't 1911 02:05:42.079 --> 02:05:44.720 go that far, But I guess that follows. I would say, like, 1912 02:05:45.000 --> 02:05:46.680 yeah, his his, I think he would agree with this that, 1913 02:05:46.880 --> 02:05:49.720 Like there's no game where he could say that game was terrible but that rocket 1914 02:05:49.760 --> 02:05:54.159 launcher was awesome, Like there was no that does not happen. Sure, 1915 02:05:55.399 --> 02:05:59.600 so yeah, interesting, the rocket launcher is great, then the game greatness 1916 02:05:59.640 --> 02:06:01.279 follows. You have you have the skill to get the rocket launcher right, 1917 02:06:01.720 --> 02:06:05.239 you could probably do the rest of the work. Rock launcher a pretty good 1918 02:06:05.279 --> 02:06:09.600 rocket launcher and a pretty good game. Uh. I like the way that 1919 02:06:09.680 --> 02:06:14.119 thing looks. Yeah, it's like shoulder mounted the Yeah, games are the 1920 02:06:14.199 --> 02:06:17.920 sums some of their rocket launcher, the one part, Brad. I think 1921 02:06:17.920 --> 02:06:23.720 it's to another email, all right, this time from Norway? Uh egg 1922 02:06:23.720 --> 02:06:28.439 gil Okay, I think hello, dudes. I don't think this question has 1923 02:06:28.439 --> 02:06:30.319 been asked, so I'm gonna ask it. How did every game back in 1924 02:06:30.319 --> 02:06:33.520 the day have chickens as health pickups? Because it's a globally liked food. 1925 02:06:34.119 --> 02:06:36.920 Everyone knows chicken, everyone likes it. Is that why they use chickens? 1926 02:06:36.960 --> 02:06:40.920 Help me out here, follow up? When did they phase out the chicken 1927 02:06:40.960 --> 02:06:44.520 and straight up go from med kits instead? It happened right under our very 1928 02:06:44.600 --> 02:06:47.039 eyes. Yeah, I can't seem to remember exactly when. Yeah, man, 1929 02:06:47.399 --> 02:06:53.600 that that's that's like the transition I think from the from the side scroller 1930 02:06:54.079 --> 02:06:58.199 to the FPS. FPS is for the most part, never had like the 1931 02:06:58.319 --> 02:07:01.479 giant chickens and stuff like even like I don't remember what you were getting in 1932 02:07:01.600 --> 02:07:06.439 like, well you got like meals and stuff. That's yeah. Well here 1933 02:07:06.560 --> 02:07:11.720 here I'll kind of follow that up with, let's say three D was the 1934 02:07:11.840 --> 02:07:15.159 death of the chicken because curved surfaces are tough, much easier to do a 1935 02:07:15.239 --> 02:07:19.760 MEDD right cross on it. You're done? Yeah, And sprice. That's 1936 02:07:19.840 --> 02:07:24.800 right. Yeah, so there we go. Three D killed the chicken. 1937 02:07:25.000 --> 02:07:27.640 The health, Yeah, the industry was health. But yeah, I think 1938 02:07:27.680 --> 02:07:30.560 to the first part. It really is that like it is just like the 1939 02:07:30.880 --> 02:07:34.680 iconic representation of like a feast. Right, it's just like a giant you 1940 02:07:34.760 --> 02:07:38.439 know, final fight. You smash open a garbage can, there's just like 1941 02:07:38.520 --> 02:07:42.359 a giant, delicious roast chicken in there. Of course, what do you 1942 02:07:42.439 --> 02:07:44.359 think it's gonna do. Of course, it's gonna give you all your health 1943 02:07:44.439 --> 02:07:46.279 back. But if it's so, is everybody throwing it out and putting in 1944 02:07:46.399 --> 02:07:49.840 boxes or bearing it in stone? Yeah? Yeah? Why? Yeah? 1945 02:07:49.840 --> 02:07:53.279 Why is? Why is Dracula's castle? Why the walls full of chicken? 1946 02:07:53.359 --> 02:07:56.079 Well maybe he's maybe he's hiding them because they're so good. They're just like 1947 02:07:56.479 --> 02:07:58.800 you know, I maybe Dracula and I sucked love, but nobody needs to 1948 02:07:58.840 --> 02:08:05.880 know. But my yeah, I'm just gonna go out and go check in 1949 02:08:05.960 --> 02:08:09.399 the courtyard and stretch out a bit and definitely not eat chicken. Just not 1950 02:08:09.560 --> 02:08:13.079 gonna. I'll bring this trial with me just in case that Belmont out there. 1951 02:08:13.199 --> 02:08:18.760 But man, brads a guy from email, uh, Colin writes in 1952 02:08:18.000 --> 02:08:22.960 I think I might know him. Actually, if it's the same guy, 1953 02:08:22.000 --> 02:08:26.680 I think it is. Uh. I recently accepted a new job in New 1954 02:08:26.760 --> 02:08:30.199 York City and I'm planning on relocating soon. However, the weekly horror stories 1955 02:08:30.199 --> 02:08:33.000 I'm hearing it are starting to make me wonder if I should beef up my 1956 02:08:33.079 --> 02:08:35.640 nunchuck skills before I enter what is being described to me as a toxic urban 1957 02:08:35.680 --> 02:08:39.840 waste plant. Okay, given a decent enough he said, no, beef 1958 02:08:39.920 --> 02:08:43.000 emales man, this is this is more like life advice. All right, 1959 02:08:43.439 --> 02:08:46.680 given a decent enough salary, where would you recommend living? And does commuting 1960 02:08:46.760 --> 02:08:50.760 from Jersey make you a wiss? I will say a community from Jersey probably 1961 02:08:50.800 --> 02:08:54.960 does not make you a wiss. Uh. Jersey has become a or it 1962 02:08:54.960 --> 02:08:58.279 has been for the like last decade or fifteen years, let's say safe forever. 1963 02:08:58.560 --> 02:09:01.479 It's been a commuter city that you know, people travel to and from 1964 02:09:01.920 --> 02:09:05.840 Manhattan, not a worse a Staten Island. I don't know. Well, 1965 02:09:05.840 --> 02:09:07.199 I actually gotta take that, Fay, So you're probably a tough motherfucker. 1966 02:09:09.199 --> 02:09:13.840 Uh. Where did I live given a decent salary? Was the question? 1967 02:09:13.039 --> 02:09:16.399 Yes, I would if I made enough, I'd probably want to live in 1968 02:09:16.520 --> 02:09:20.359 Manhattan or on the island of Manhattan. Uh, probably the only place I 1969 02:09:20.399 --> 02:09:26.319 could afford with a reasonable amount of space would be up and up north a 1970 02:09:26.399 --> 02:09:30.239 bit and like the one forties, one sixties, So probably up there is 1971 02:09:30.279 --> 02:09:33.479 where i'd probably wounded up living if IM is up there. Oh, I 1972 02:09:33.520 --> 02:09:37.039 don't know. I don't know. I'll have to consult the sitcombat. Yeah, 1973 02:09:37.399 --> 02:09:41.399 I have no idea. Uh, it's it's affordable up there, at 1974 02:09:41.439 --> 02:09:46.800 least it was when I left. Everything else was just kind of too much, 1975 02:09:46.239 --> 02:09:52.399 like below Columbia, it's just too much money. Uh So, yeah, 1976 02:09:52.439 --> 02:09:54.039 I don't know. I want to be on the island, especially for 1977 02:09:54.279 --> 02:09:56.840 my first job there and my first time in New York, because like it's 1978 02:09:56.880 --> 02:10:01.439 kind of awesome, like you basically live on top of everything, you know, 1979 02:10:01.560 --> 02:10:05.680 like downstairs is Delhi Pizza Place, whatever, the god Walk two feet 1980 02:10:05.760 --> 02:10:09.359 everything is there, all that noise is there, and it's all you need, 1981 02:10:09.479 --> 02:10:13.800 like five pillows area. But it's kind of awesome to spend a little 1982 02:10:13.800 --> 02:10:18.279 bit of time in the city. Do you guys have any any where would 1983 02:10:18.279 --> 02:10:22.840 you live in New York? Yeah, Roosevelt Island. Okay, you gotta 1984 02:10:22.880 --> 02:10:26.399 take the it wasn't the tram and they called it something else? Yeah, 1985 02:10:26.399 --> 02:10:30.039 oh wait, no, it's what was it, North Brother Island, the 1986 02:10:30.119 --> 02:10:35.520 Leopard Colony? Okaya, Queens seemed alright, Yeah, Queens seemed kind of 1987 02:10:35.520 --> 02:10:39.640 like my stees. Okay, you know, it's kind of it's quiet, 1988 02:10:39.680 --> 02:10:43.079 but there's some stuff to do, but it's not super overly expensive, although 1989 02:10:43.119 --> 02:10:46.279 maybe it's getting that way. Some parts sound like it. Yeah, everything 1990 02:10:46.399 --> 02:10:48.800 is, though, Danny. As somebody who was recently moved to an American 1991 02:10:48.880 --> 02:10:52.920 city, I would agree with the stay close to where the stuff is happening 1992 02:10:54.319 --> 02:10:58.279 thing. I tempt messed around with the idea of moving to the East Bay 1993 02:10:58.319 --> 02:11:01.720 when I came here. Yeah, and I am infinitely delighted that I didn't, 1994 02:11:01.840 --> 02:11:03.840 just because you need to you need to learn to play there. Yeah 1995 02:11:03.880 --> 02:11:07.880 yeah, yeah, I'm with you. But I think New York actually has 1996 02:11:07.960 --> 02:11:11.479 functional public transit between boroughs, right, they do. But there's nothing quite 1997 02:11:11.560 --> 02:11:13.479 like living right now. Sure sure, I'm not saying live in Times Square, 1998 02:11:13.560 --> 02:11:18.680 I'm just but I'm contrasting with here. So here it's fucking impossible to 1999 02:11:18.720 --> 02:11:20.680 get anywhere. Well, that happens though in New York though, Like if 2000 02:11:20.680 --> 02:11:22.000 you get out of work. It's nice if you just moved to that city. 2001 02:11:22.279 --> 02:11:24.800 Let's say you're single and you just moved to that city and you're young 2002 02:11:26.520 --> 02:11:28.159 and you want to go out. Is much easier to go out, stumble 2003 02:11:28.239 --> 02:11:31.640 home or stumble into a cab than's a ten minute ride than to try and 2004 02:11:31.720 --> 02:11:35.880 find a cab to Queens, even at night, because you're not going to 2005 02:11:35.960 --> 02:11:37.439 get your friends who live in the city to come out to Queens. It's 2006 02:11:37.479 --> 02:11:41.920 just not going to happen, sure, or even sometimes Brooklyn. But if 2007 02:11:41.960 --> 02:11:43.800 you're living in the city, you can do whatever you want. You can 2008 02:11:43.840 --> 02:11:46.119 stay up all night and just walk home and do whatever. Greg Any, 2009 02:11:48.039 --> 02:11:50.680 I don't know my New York, but my brother has been living out there 2010 02:11:50.720 --> 02:11:56.119 forever in Brooklyn seems to love it. Do you know whereabouts? I don't 2011 02:11:56.159 --> 02:12:00.960 know the geography of it that well. And darn and Logan, who I 2012 02:12:01.039 --> 02:12:05.119 work with at super Giant, they're out there too, and I think Logan 2013 02:12:05.159 --> 02:12:09.199 in particular really really loves it out there. Yeah. I have not, 2014 02:12:09.359 --> 02:12:11.840 Yeah, I haven't spent enough time out there. New York's hell of a 2015 02:12:11.880 --> 02:12:18.000 town. Yeah, and the outer boroughs and stuff, including Jersey even Connecticut. 2016 02:12:18.319 --> 02:12:22.159 Just everybody funnels in there's plenty of places to live. But to go 2017 02:12:22.239 --> 02:12:26.239 back to his original question, I would even sacrifice space and money for your 2018 02:12:26.279 --> 02:12:31.680 first year, even like a studio somewhere in New York, to live on 2019 02:12:31.760 --> 02:12:35.159 the island if you if you plan stuff, because when you move somewhere for 2020 02:12:35.199 --> 02:12:37.159 the first time. When I moved to London as well, you're like, 2021 02:12:37.479 --> 02:12:41.399 you plan where you're going, but you meet so many interesting people through the 2022 02:12:41.439 --> 02:12:43.439 spontaneous Oh I'm just going to go out to this place thing, And if 2023 02:12:43.479 --> 02:12:48.039 you have to commute somewhere to do that, it just it eradicates all those 2024 02:12:48.079 --> 02:12:50.600 moments you could have had. Like, yeah, I found that too when 2025 02:12:50.600 --> 02:12:54.640 I moved to San Francisco. It's very easy to meet people and socialize because 2026 02:12:54.960 --> 02:12:58.600 I was always a cab right away and it was a lot easier Washington nights. 2027 02:13:00.000 --> 02:13:03.520 It's a cool neighborhood and maybe still affordable. Next email, All right, 2028 02:13:03.840 --> 02:13:07.880 I apologize this is a long one. Okay, Hey, they're BombCast. 2029 02:13:09.000 --> 02:13:13.199 This is Josh from the government. Oh wow. After last week's email 2030 02:13:13.199 --> 02:13:16.640 about contractors ripping off the government, I thought I'd joined the dogpile and share 2031 02:13:16.720 --> 02:13:20.479 a little bit about how much the military spins to conduct a single air operation. 2032 02:13:20.520 --> 02:13:22.840 Hey, can we can we pause for just a second here and update 2033 02:13:22.920 --> 02:13:28.039 Greg. We had a email from a government contractor I believe they're making parts 2034 02:13:28.600 --> 02:13:31.960 for planes. Yeah, and was talking about the price it costs to make 2035 02:13:33.039 --> 02:13:37.000 something versus the price it costs to sell back to governments. And it was 2036 02:13:37.079 --> 02:13:39.159 like the craziest one was like a washer that was like ten cents. They 2037 02:13:39.239 --> 02:13:43.960 sold for one hundred and some dollars. Yeah, it was amazing, pretty 2038 02:13:43.000 --> 02:13:46.039 good stuff, all right. In this particular case, I was flying for 2039 02:13:46.119 --> 02:13:50.600 the Air Force. We were running airborne counter narco operations out of a Caribbean 2040 02:13:50.680 --> 02:13:54.680 island in northern Venezuela. May was he flying you? Two's Our primary objective 2041 02:13:54.760 --> 02:13:58.720 was to catch go fasts or speedboats, low level air traffic, and semi 2042 02:13:58.800 --> 02:14:03.000 some mercibles or homemade submarines, all of which might be smuggling cocaine out of 2043 02:14:03.039 --> 02:14:07.800 South America into Mexico. By my best estimate, we were spending somewhere between 2044 02:14:09.000 --> 02:14:11.960 one hundred and twenty five thousand and one hundred and fifty thousand per day at 2045 02:14:11.960 --> 02:14:16.399 a minimum on this particular operation. These costs included approximately one hundred and ten 2046 02:14:16.439 --> 02:14:20.720 thousand dollars for two hundred thousand pounds or thirty thousand gallons of JP eight jet 2047 02:14:20.800 --> 02:14:28.880 fuel at a standard price of three seventy three per gallon, approximately approximately ten 2048 02:14:28.960 --> 02:14:31.920 thousand dollars for per diem one hundred and twenty per person, and rooms at 2049 02:14:31.960 --> 02:14:37.439 the Hilton. Approximately seventy five hundred dollars for personnel costs. Again, this 2050 02:14:37.560 --> 02:14:41.039 is per day, and it doesn't include any incidental costs like spare parts, 2051 02:14:41.279 --> 02:14:43.239 which as we saw last week, can be pretty damn expensive. The costs 2052 02:14:43.279 --> 02:14:46.840 to fly, refueling planes and crew for our midair refuelings, food, medical 2053 02:14:46.880 --> 02:14:50.960 costs, or any state side support that we had now one hundred fifty thousand 2054 02:14:50.960 --> 02:14:54.039 dollars per day might not seem like much for a military operation, but this 2055 02:14:54.199 --> 02:14:56.399 was for two planes and two crews in a third world, a low cost 2056 02:14:56.520 --> 02:15:01.039 country. As a group, we had ten items. I'm sorry, as 2057 02:15:01.079 --> 02:15:03.319 a group, we had ten times that number of planes and crews doing operations 2058 02:15:03.399 --> 02:15:07.560 around the world. If you then extrapolate costs even further to the whole Air 2059 02:15:07.640 --> 02:15:09.399 Force, and even further to the whole military, you start to see how 2060 02:15:09.479 --> 02:15:13.079 much gets spent every day just on operations. The best part at the end 2061 02:15:13.119 --> 02:15:18.600 of my four months, we hadn't caught anyone or seized any drugs. But 2062 02:15:18.640 --> 02:15:20.720 I was being paid three hundred bucks a day by the taxpayers to play blackjack 2063 02:15:20.760 --> 02:15:24.920 at the casino in the Hilton on a Caribbean island, so I can't get 2064 02:15:24.960 --> 02:15:28.720 too mad. God bless you. That's pretty great. Also, there's a 2065 02:15:28.720 --> 02:15:33.359 PostScript. Yeah, while I'm here, Colorado says, fuck Dave Lang, 2066 02:15:33.640 --> 02:15:37.279 fuck the rest of his cronies in Chicago, and fuck that Pepperoni castrole dog 2067 02:15:37.359 --> 02:15:41.640 shit the passes for pizza out there. Suck at Dick Lang. You did, 2068 02:15:41.960 --> 02:15:43.239 I said, no, B female. There you go. You had 2069 02:15:43.279 --> 02:15:46.840 to start out. That one was so eloquent. I had to And not 2070 02:15:46.920 --> 02:15:50.560 only did you read a B female, you had to poke the dragon. 2071 02:15:50.680 --> 02:15:52.720 I know, you had to just finger out in the side. I had 2072 02:15:52.760 --> 02:15:56.079 to provoke a response. I feel like the phone is ringing right now. 2073 02:15:56.720 --> 02:16:00.560 He's dingling somewhere. He just perked up. We got more mails, Brad. 2074 02:16:00.680 --> 02:16:05.319 Oh yeah, uh, all right, there's an interesting one with apologies 2075 02:16:05.319 --> 02:16:11.439 to Jeff Green. This is from Jim from New York. Lately, I've 2076 02:16:11.439 --> 02:16:13.640 been watching Jeff Green stream Dark Souls, and while he's entertaining. I can't 2077 02:16:13.680 --> 02:16:18.600 help but notice that his reaction times and memory are pretty bad. He is 2078 02:16:18.720 --> 02:16:22.079 old as games mature, do you worry that one day a game will have 2079 02:16:22.119 --> 02:16:24.000 an amazing story, but you'll be too old to beat the final boss and 2080 02:16:24.039 --> 02:16:28.359 see the ending? Or will that problem be solved by something like mass efect 2081 02:16:28.359 --> 02:16:31.600 three story mode for example, before we have a substantial population of senior gamers 2082 02:16:33.040 --> 02:16:37.600 or are games just the province of the young? I know that's a good 2083 02:16:37.680 --> 02:16:41.120 question. Yeah, maybe there's a market for them. Maybe hire like online, 2084 02:16:41.200 --> 02:16:43.680 Like you can hire a kid to just take over your game and get 2085 02:16:43.719 --> 02:16:48.000 you past that boss for like five bucks and just move on and be like 2086 02:16:48.719 --> 02:16:50.760 we just never happy. Yeah, Like I don't, Greg, I don't 2087 02:16:50.760 --> 02:16:52.680 know. Maybe you can identify but as somebody in my mid thirties who plays 2088 02:16:52.719 --> 02:16:56.879 Dodo with people ten fifteen years younger than me, Like I have definitely thought 2089 02:16:56.920 --> 02:17:00.680 about this issue before. Oh yeah, like the pro players are all you 2090 02:17:00.760 --> 02:17:03.479 know, the old The old ones are like in their mid like a twenty 2091 02:17:03.479 --> 02:17:07.159 six year old Doda pro players like an older player totally when you're in your 2092 02:17:07.159 --> 02:17:11.360 early thirties, don't you start losing? Like the it's the fast fibers that 2093 02:17:11.440 --> 02:17:15.000 are in your fingers don't react as fast. I think, yeah, I 2094 02:17:15.079 --> 02:17:18.719 think that actually, yeah, partly in Counterstrike, I remember there was a 2095 02:17:18.760 --> 02:17:20.920 thing that if you once you reached thirty one or something, you your reaction 2096 02:17:22.040 --> 02:17:26.000 speed was like diminished this rather quick. We should try this. There's gotta 2097 02:17:26.040 --> 02:17:28.399 be a way for like like a mouse click test in this office to be 2098 02:17:28.559 --> 02:17:31.799 like who can who has fast reaction time? Huh? Yeah, I want 2099 02:17:31.840 --> 02:17:35.280 to. I would love to try that and chart at all. Yeah, 2100 02:17:35.360 --> 02:17:37.600 and see like I mean, we are in this office here, We've got 2101 02:17:37.680 --> 02:17:41.639 a pretty good spectrum of you know, from geriatric to kind of feel we 2102 02:17:41.719 --> 02:17:46.200 can we can totally test it. Yeah, I'd like to know. I'd 2103 02:17:46.200 --> 02:17:50.959 played games before where I don't know, I've never used to note like is 2104 02:17:52.079 --> 02:17:56.799 this a result of me being old physical? Yeah? Or a might just 2105 02:17:56.920 --> 02:18:00.280 lame, right? I mean I think for sure, there's all like a 2106 02:18:00.319 --> 02:18:05.719 really big difference between like having the like the physical dexterity of like a pro 2107 02:18:05.079 --> 02:18:09.600 StarCraft two player versus just like being able to finish Last of Us on easy 2108 02:18:09.680 --> 02:18:13.559 mode or something like that. I think, like to the particular question, 2109 02:18:13.600 --> 02:18:18.079 I think it's a really good one. I think narrative driven games, you 2110 02:18:18.159 --> 02:18:22.440 know, they're not. I think it's at odds to have like a highly 2111 02:18:22.559 --> 02:18:28.000 narrative driven game that's also like extremely difficult, because like, if you're having 2112 02:18:28.079 --> 02:18:31.239 to replay part of a game over and over and over, unless like the 2113 02:18:31.319 --> 02:18:35.840 whole narrative is about that for some reason, which it's probably not, then 2114 02:18:37.000 --> 02:18:39.879 the part that you're like dying over and over, it's it's actually just hurting 2115 02:18:39.920 --> 02:18:43.079 the narrative at a certain point. So I think people trying to make narrative 2116 02:18:43.159 --> 02:18:48.959 games you're seeing increasingly you know that they're not trying to make those games super 2117 02:18:50.000 --> 02:18:54.520 super difficult. So I think they do where they're providing it as an option. 2118 02:18:54.680 --> 02:18:56.680 Yeah, it's exactly they're providing it as an option or or you know, 2119 02:18:56.760 --> 02:19:01.479 conversely, just making it so that there is a there is a way 2120 02:19:01.760 --> 02:19:05.120 you know, for people to who are just more interested in the story to 2121 02:19:05.200 --> 02:19:09.280 get through it that way without like breaking their backs whatever. Man, even 2122 02:19:09.360 --> 02:19:11.680 Baston had an arena mode right where you're like, you know, for leaderboards 2123 02:19:11.719 --> 02:19:16.040 and stuff. I remember playing for that thing and being like I gotta take 2124 02:19:16.079 --> 02:19:20.479 down bread well, but Baston was also designed like where the default difficulty setting 2125 02:19:20.840 --> 02:19:24.280 was was like meant to be approachable, and then you can make the game 2126 02:19:24.360 --> 02:19:26.520 harder from there, once you had gotten into the game and gotten a feel 2127 02:19:26.600 --> 02:19:30.200 for it, you could elect to make the game harder. But but like 2128 02:19:30.840 --> 02:19:35.040 it wasn't meant to be excruciatingly difficult for like the average you know. Our 2129 02:19:35.079 --> 02:19:37.680 goal was like, if you know how to use a game controller and you're 2130 02:19:37.760 --> 02:19:41.399 like paying attention, you should be able to finish. You should be able 2131 02:19:41.440 --> 02:19:45.120 to finish that game. Do you ever worry that as you get older and 2132 02:19:45.159 --> 02:19:48.760 you play more games that like the wonder that you had when you first got 2133 02:19:48.840 --> 02:19:52.520 into started playing games, that like, you'll you'll get that less and less. 2134 02:19:52.639 --> 02:19:56.200 I mean I I and my whole my entire goal is to like, 2135 02:19:56.520 --> 02:19:58.360 see, I do worry about that, But my entire goal is to like 2136 02:19:58.719 --> 02:20:03.040 make sure that that doesn't that that can continue. But but I think that's 2137 02:20:03.040 --> 02:20:07.840 a content issue. I think that's just a matter of making games. I 2138 02:20:07.920 --> 02:20:09.559 can still do that, And I think games like that come out every year 2139 02:20:09.719 --> 02:20:13.440 that I'm like blown away by just like, oh man, this game could 2140 02:20:13.479 --> 02:20:16.840 have could have been made ten or fifteen years ago, but no one thought 2141 02:20:16.840 --> 02:20:20.159 of it until now. So for me, the wonder has never gone away, 2142 02:20:20.200 --> 02:20:24.399 but it's but it is rare. But I I sort of live for 2143 02:20:26.079 --> 02:20:30.360 finding those moments, you know, because because they're they're still out there. 2144 02:20:30.799 --> 02:20:33.120 So I'm not I think by you know what, what the I forget? 2145 02:20:33.280 --> 02:20:37.680 I'm at an age where I like forget how old I am. I'm one 2146 02:20:37.719 --> 02:20:41.879 of my thirty six Yeah uh and I you know, I think if I 2147 02:20:41.920 --> 02:20:48.520 would have gotten over games that would have happened by yeah uh yeah. Follow 2148 02:20:48.559 --> 02:20:50.479 up to this, do you guys ever feel like the games you played as 2149 02:20:50.479 --> 02:20:54.200 a kid, because I just I just played through Castlevania, right, and 2150 02:20:54.520 --> 02:20:56.639 I remember as a kid being like that Grim Reaper is impossible. Yeah, 2151 02:20:58.200 --> 02:21:00.719 but you know, having played through it now and you know, maybe it's 2152 02:21:00.719 --> 02:21:03.840 Ah, the circumstances are different because there's the Internet. You can look up 2153 02:21:03.840 --> 02:21:07.200 strategies and stuff like that. You know, I was able to beat that 2154 02:21:07.319 --> 02:21:09.840 game. Do you feel like some games you can go back to now as 2155 02:21:09.840 --> 02:21:13.639 an adult and play and find easier than when you were a kid. I 2156 02:21:13.879 --> 02:21:18.040 doubt that personally. I think games were harder back then for sure. When 2157 02:21:18.040 --> 02:21:22.319 I like, I remember I went back and played like Ninja Guide in two 2158 02:21:22.479 --> 02:21:24.920 for the nes which I remember being easy, like relative to the first Ninja 2159 02:21:24.959 --> 02:21:28.200 Guide, and when I played it for the NES and then when I went 2160 02:21:28.239 --> 02:21:31.760 back and played it, it was freaking impossible. Would I ever? I 2161 02:21:31.799 --> 02:21:33.479 mean they were designed, you know, they're they're short games, right, 2162 02:21:33.559 --> 02:21:35.559 these games, Like when you're good at them, you could finish them in 2163 02:21:35.600 --> 02:21:39.000 like an hour or whatever. So they're designed all around, like replay and 2164 02:21:39.040 --> 02:21:45.600 mastery and so on. Do you feel like as an adult they've become or 2165 02:21:45.680 --> 02:21:48.680 they stay as challenging, if not more challenging, Like there's not like I 2166 02:21:48.840 --> 02:21:50.719 played, I have twenty more years of gaming experience under my belt. I 2167 02:21:50.760 --> 02:21:56.799 can think like a designer now. I think it's that like modern modern concessions 2168 02:21:56.840 --> 02:22:01.000 are just much more forgiving. Like games didn't have checked points and stuff like 2169 02:22:01.280 --> 02:22:03.600 you you know, you had three continues and when you ran out, start 2170 02:22:03.639 --> 02:22:07.239 the whole goddamn thing over. You know, no savee system, no nothing, 2171 02:22:07.360 --> 02:22:11.280 like people don't really make games like that anymore. And you get so 2172 02:22:11.440 --> 02:22:16.520 I think games are just you know, they they are much more forgiving of 2173 02:22:16.559 --> 02:22:20.319 people playing like very sloppily these days, and you get you get sort of 2174 02:22:20.440 --> 02:22:22.200 out of out of shape as it were, as a game player. But 2175 02:22:22.399 --> 02:22:24.719 but I mean you can, you can sort of. That's why I think 2176 02:22:24.760 --> 02:22:28.399 stuff like Dark Souls it was such a breath of fresh air for so many 2177 02:22:28.440 --> 02:22:31.200 people. They're like, oh yeah, I forgot like what it felt like 2178 02:22:31.399 --> 02:22:37.000 to like earn stretch out and just well, just to like earn my wins 2179 02:22:37.120 --> 02:22:39.399 and how good that that can feel and when you just kind of dedicate yourself 2180 02:22:39.440 --> 02:22:41.760 to it and get better at it. I feel like Dark Souls for me, 2181 02:22:41.920 --> 02:22:45.719 is a great example of well, and maybe games like this will happen 2182 02:22:45.760 --> 02:22:50.079 in the future where you can be very very good at it, or, 2183 02:22:50.559 --> 02:22:52.719 as I like to put it, use the wisdom of my age to cheeze 2184 02:22:52.719 --> 02:22:56.840 a boss. Uh, you know I can. I'm older, I'm wiser. 2185 02:22:58.120 --> 02:23:01.879 I know that there's probably some way the internet has probably found it, 2186 02:23:01.959 --> 02:23:05.280 and I'm going to use the resources that are available to me to find the 2187 02:23:05.360 --> 02:23:09.520 coiner I can stand in to hit that monster with eight hundred arrows and leave 2188 02:23:09.079 --> 02:23:13.239 the folly of youth to go charging in and dodge. So maybe somebody in 2189 02:23:13.280 --> 02:23:20.040 the future there'll be ways to bring your life experience in or just have your 2190 02:23:20.079 --> 02:23:22.159 what did you call it, fast fiber Yeah, yeah, fast muscle fibers. 2191 02:23:22.440 --> 02:23:28.840 Yeah. That's gone. I lost all the fiber Marle fiber that was 2192 02:23:28.879 --> 02:23:31.000 gone like a twelve Brad, Do you have any more? Emails? Are? 2193 02:23:31.360 --> 02:23:33.280 How many? Was? Two? More? Here? Grab a couple 2194 02:23:33.360 --> 02:23:37.239 more? Okay, couple hit it. I don't know if I can support 2195 02:23:37.280 --> 02:23:43.479 this one though. From Dana Nashley four Wayne, Indiana, Hey Podcast. 2196 02:23:43.600 --> 02:23:46.159 My wife and I are struggling to come up with names for our first child. 2197 02:23:46.319 --> 02:23:48.399 We're extremely excited, but cannot agree on any names. So far, 2198 02:23:48.559 --> 02:23:52.479 We've only had a few that we both liked but can't settle on one. 2199 02:23:52.840 --> 02:23:54.360 I thought you guys might like to help us out and suggest some names from 2200 02:23:54.399 --> 02:23:58.559 characters and video games. I'm sorry that you think would be a good name 2201 02:23:58.600 --> 02:24:01.000 for our son. A couple of we've been tossing around that our families don't 2202 02:24:01.079 --> 02:24:09.799 hate Arteitis and Arthur's yeah, really you go with tas or no. No, 2203 02:24:09.959 --> 02:24:11.239 I'm just saying like this it would be all right. I don't want 2204 02:24:11.239 --> 02:24:16.680 your son to grow up to become like a level twenty five anti Paladin or 2205 02:24:16.719 --> 02:24:22.600 whatever like destroyed. I have his mind over run by a spectral being from 2206 02:24:22.799 --> 02:24:28.479 spoilers for Warcraft. Yes, so, so they have to be pulled from 2207 02:24:28.280 --> 02:24:33.200 video games. That's that was their request. Master Chief master Chief. It's 2208 02:24:33.200 --> 02:24:39.399 a pretty good John John master Chief, Mega man. Uh, Gordon, 2209 02:24:41.360 --> 02:24:43.719 there you go, Gordon, that's actually the worst run, worst one. 2210 02:24:45.559 --> 02:24:50.760 Michael Hagger Okay, yeah, uh you know, Rex is a I'm a 2211 02:24:50.879 --> 02:24:54.319 big fan, you know. W Now you can take it off if you 2212 02:24:54.399 --> 02:25:01.479 want, take lead many Manny Okay with an eye though, Ray okay from 2213 02:25:01.600 --> 02:25:07.239 Raymond, Yep, that's what you're going from, Metli gear Ray. I 2214 02:25:07.360 --> 02:25:09.520 can't, I just I can't get behind this notion of naming kids after characters 2215 02:25:09.559 --> 02:25:13.280 from popular media. I just can't. Yeah, I don't know, I'm 2216 02:25:13.319 --> 02:25:16.639 sorry. Did you see that list that came out that Game of Thrones infographic 2217 02:25:16.760 --> 02:25:18.600 is folding around? It was just a list of the most popular names, 2218 02:25:18.920 --> 02:25:22.959 and they are all inferred by popular media, like most TV shows and pop 2219 02:25:24.000 --> 02:25:26.840 star. I actually really like the name Dante, and it's kind of a 2220 02:25:26.879 --> 02:25:33.280 shame that it's become so associated with uh devil may cry. Well Uh, 2221 02:25:33.760 --> 02:25:35.799 well not so much, Clark says. You know, I feel like anytime 2222 02:25:35.840 --> 02:25:39.799 I mentioned the name Dante, do you know, uh which, But you 2223 02:25:39.840 --> 02:25:45.200 can name your kid Durrante, which is actually I think Dante's full name, 2224 02:25:45.760 --> 02:25:48.639 which was shortened to Dante. Just it's a kind of a dumb sounding name. 2225 02:25:50.719 --> 02:25:54.520 I like Dante. Yeah, don'te Caravella. Max could have been a 2226 02:25:54.559 --> 02:25:56.879 Dante Caravella. Think about that. Uh yeah, I don't know. Link 2227 02:25:58.200 --> 02:26:01.559 is like, don't don't do it, Like, yeah, I don't know. 2228 02:26:01.680 --> 02:26:03.920 It's tough, tough. You got to think about it, fan clef 2229 02:26:05.360 --> 02:26:09.200 shre you go, Mario, Like that's just a terrible Who would do that? 2230 02:26:09.719 --> 02:26:11.200 Uh? Yeah? I think about the future, right, maybe who 2231 02:26:11.239 --> 02:26:13.559 will know Link in the in the future, in twenty years in the future 2232 02:26:13.600 --> 02:26:18.479 made it'll be awesome. Name doctor robot Nick. That's pretty good. I'd 2233 02:26:18.479 --> 02:26:22.040 go with Eggman. I've two friends who are called Barry White. Wait, 2234 02:26:22.719 --> 02:26:26.239 one's Barrying, one's white. Are Like they're both their names are they were 2235 02:26:26.319 --> 02:26:31.120 named Barry they are from families white. Okay, Well that sucked. I 2236 02:26:31.159 --> 02:26:35.120 also have an ex girlfriend Na named her son Max on her surname is Power. 2237 02:26:35.799 --> 02:26:37.959 That's pretty cool. So just maximum power max Power. Yeah, that's 2238 02:26:37.959 --> 02:26:43.559 pretty good. Never stop. Uh is he like did you go into some 2239 02:26:43.719 --> 02:26:48.799 like crazy profession like construction or did he started walking like like two days just 2240 02:26:48.079 --> 02:26:52.680 sprinting there's an Indy car driver named will Power. Oh that's graz pretty good. 2241 02:26:52.799 --> 02:26:56.959 Yeah, he should be like a self help coach. Then, uh 2242 02:26:58.399 --> 02:27:01.760 when when and my wife and I were expecting a son, I tried pitching 2243 02:27:01.799 --> 02:27:07.559 her on Geese but it didn't really you know, that didn't didn't fly yea 2244 02:27:07.000 --> 02:27:13.239 to jam yeah? Or or if you have twins yeah? Uh we I 2245 02:27:13.319 --> 02:27:18.680 think Trace is a really cool name. I think you have to be like 2246 02:27:18.799 --> 02:27:24.840 a cyborg though, you have to like race card drop. Yeah right with 2247 02:27:24.959 --> 02:27:28.360 that trade. The headlines just right themselves, perfect, Brad. Let's take 2248 02:27:28.360 --> 02:27:33.399 our final email. Oh man, looking around, Yeah, trying to decide 2249 02:27:33.479 --> 02:27:37.840 what to read, and then I landed on one I hadn't noticed before from 2250 02:27:37.879 --> 02:27:41.479 Mike. Okay, hey, bomb Cast, I'm writing in to set the 2251 02:27:41.520 --> 02:27:46.120 record straight on all things Golden Tea. I'm an artist here incredible technologies, 2252 02:27:46.559 --> 02:27:50.959 and I've worked on the franchise for the past few years. Now I know. 2253 02:27:50.840 --> 02:27:52.920 I'm also a big fan of the BombCast. Ours are some of my 2254 02:27:54.000 --> 02:27:56.520 co workers and I had to shoot you guys an email when I heard all 2255 02:27:56.559 --> 02:27:58.799 the Golden Tea talk on the last week's show. We should just start a 2256 02:28:00.159 --> 02:28:05.680 tea podcast called t talk yes T time with Trace. Golden Tea has made 2257 02:28:05.760 --> 02:28:09.239 right here at Incredible Technologies, an Illinois company located in Vernon Hills. We 2258 02:28:09.360 --> 02:28:13.600 used to be located in Patrick's hometown of Arlington Heights. He once mentioned the 2259 02:28:13.639 --> 02:28:16.399 Portillo's near him, which used to be one of our go to lunch spots 2260 02:28:16.399 --> 02:28:20.159 before we moved to our new office. I haven't read this email, so 2261 02:28:20.319 --> 02:28:22.600 this all new to me as well. Golden Tea Charging Horse, It's got 2262 02:28:22.639 --> 02:28:28.280 beef. Oh man, I'm kind of worried about what we're getting into here. 2263 02:28:28.479 --> 02:28:31.600 Golden Tea has long been the company's flagship product and is still a very 2264 02:28:31.680 --> 02:28:33.559 successful game. A lot of people call it an arcade game, when in 2265 02:28:33.639 --> 02:28:39.719 fact it is really a bar game. Interesting that's still exists. Didn't know 2266 02:28:39.840 --> 02:28:43.200 there was a distinction to be made there, but okay. Golden Tea also 2267 02:28:43.319 --> 02:28:46.879 does feature a home edition. Since the move to HD, we've redesigned the 2268 02:28:46.920 --> 02:28:50.840 cabinet, which is now a pedestal. Players can buy the stand and connect 2269 02:28:50.840 --> 02:28:54.239 it to any flat screen they want. Weird, really, why don't we 2270 02:28:54.319 --> 02:28:58.159 have one of these? We should probably expansive, We should look into that. 2271 02:28:58.280 --> 02:29:01.600 We also do a yearly update to the game. That always features new 2272 02:29:01.680 --> 02:29:05.600 courses, new gameplay modes, new equipment and clothing to customize your own golfer. 2273 02:29:05.680 --> 02:29:09.520 It's a crazy game and I really enjoy working on it. While we 2274 02:29:09.559 --> 02:29:11.920 aren't in the most trendy of places, you'll see our products almost everywhere else, 2275 02:29:13.000 --> 02:29:18.479 including Buffalo Wild Wings Okay, Sam's everywhere. I feel that I also 2276 02:29:18.559 --> 02:29:22.600 need to mention our games end up in some crazy locations too. One time 2277 02:29:22.680 --> 02:29:24.719 we sent our marketing team to do a recording for a sweepstakes winner and one 2278 02:29:24.719 --> 02:29:28.079 of our other games, Silver Strike Bowling. The bar fairly normal during the 2279 02:29:28.120 --> 02:29:31.719 day, turned into a swingers club after hours. Nice. No, they 2280 02:29:31.760 --> 02:29:37.760 weren't pretty people either. There should beef also, also, I guess so 2281 02:29:41.239 --> 02:29:45.120 also Incredible Technologies is in fact the company that made Street Fighter of the movie 2282 02:29:45.159 --> 02:29:48.799 the arcade game. Yeah, a few of the people who worked on that 2283 02:29:48.879 --> 02:29:52.000 game do indeed still work for the company. Thanks for a great podcast each 2284 02:29:52.040 --> 02:29:54.559 week. Keep out the great work. Also shout out to my buddies Vincent, 2285 02:29:54.639 --> 02:29:58.600 Eric, there big fans too. That's awesome. Ps, it would 2286 02:29:58.600 --> 02:30:03.520 totally be rad if Giant Bond did a quick look of Golden Tea. Yeah, 2287 02:30:03.639 --> 02:30:05.200 we get one of those nuts. We just gotta send Patrick down there 2288 02:30:05.280 --> 02:30:11.040 to like Heart of the Beast to like finally go and find like where golden 2289 02:30:11.120 --> 02:30:13.280 tea is made. Man, that's a source. That's awesome. Yeah, 2290 02:30:13.520 --> 02:30:18.399 that's nuts. Thanks for writing in, Mike. Yeah, that's that's sweet. 2291 02:30:18.399 --> 02:30:22.319 I did not realize they were even a real company. I thought they 2292 02:30:22.399 --> 02:30:26.719 just kind of like just like materialized out of the either kind of like kind 2293 02:30:26.760 --> 02:30:28.399 of like a dud in a room, a bunch of cabinets got together in 2294 02:30:28.440 --> 02:30:33.040 a bar and decided like what the next version is. That's yeah, like 2295 02:30:33.159 --> 02:30:35.559 it was made by like like frat house, sweat labor or something or something 2296 02:30:35.639 --> 02:30:39.360 just like came to be, you know. Uh, well, it's gonna 2297 02:30:39.360 --> 02:30:41.559 do it for emails and let's Brad, do you have anything else that we 2298 02:30:41.639 --> 02:30:46.639 skipped over tapped up? Uh? Thank you y'all for joining us on another 2299 02:30:48.120 --> 02:30:52.159 amazing bomb cast. Thank you for the laptop. Uh, Greg, when 2300 02:30:52.200 --> 02:30:58.479 can people see your wares? Maybe twentieth less than I guess in a week? 2301 02:31:00.079 --> 02:31:01.799 That's yeah. Yeah, So that's steaming PS four on the same day, 2302 02:31:01.879 --> 02:31:05.200 right, correct? Uh? And Danny, what you got the pitch 2303 02:31:05.959 --> 02:31:11.159 the lobby. We're gonna have a special guest on tomorrow. Who's the one 2304 02:31:11.159 --> 02:31:15.559 of the guys who made Transistor? Oh, fantastic, get around dude, 2305 02:31:15.600 --> 02:31:22.680 you got a mirror? Holy are you're really coming back here tomorrow? Yeah? 2306 02:31:22.760 --> 02:31:24.040 And I feel like we could have timed this better. Yeah, no, 2307 02:31:24.360 --> 02:31:26.719 no way, man, you timed it perfect. Hook. Yeah. 2308 02:31:26.799 --> 02:31:31.040 Now I got something to do for two days, not just one. I'm 2309 02:31:31.079 --> 02:31:35.000 gonna play some Thief Deadly Shadows as well because it's video game history month GameSpot 2310 02:31:35.000 --> 02:31:37.079 dot Com. Yeah, so, I don't know, to be an episode 2311 02:31:37.079 --> 02:31:39.799 of a point up on Friday as well. Also, the point is fantastic. 2312 02:31:39.840 --> 02:31:45.479 Good job, and my regards to my regards yeah, some my regards 2313 02:31:45.520 --> 02:31:52.799 to stay real piece. So are you gonna be playing Transistor on the show? 2314 02:31:52.280 --> 02:31:56.440 Yeah, you're gonna. I'm Greg's gonna play that Thief as well. 2315 02:31:56.760 --> 02:32:00.879 Are you gonna Are you gonna like announce anything on the show? Show exclusives 2316 02:32:00.959 --> 02:32:07.000 the Daniel, Yes, because if it's yes, then I want an exclusive 2317 02:32:07.040 --> 02:32:11.719 here. We'll give us some game is out in a week way Yeah. 2318 02:32:11.760 --> 02:32:16.840 Yeah. What was your just okay exclusive question? What was your most favorite 2319 02:32:16.840 --> 02:32:22.840 snack food while developing this call? There you go the hard questions this journalism. 2320 02:32:24.479 --> 02:32:26.000 People say there's no journalism in the sense. Take that, Patrick, 2321 02:32:28.559 --> 02:32:31.840 There's got to be an answer for this. I don't know. I ate 2322 02:32:31.920 --> 02:32:35.840 like I ate a good amount of jerky, just like protein is important. 2323 02:32:35.959 --> 02:32:39.360 Yes, how about this for the For the real answer, you'll have to 2324 02:32:39.399 --> 02:32:45.879 tune into the lobby exclusion. This is the most cross promotion. And then 2325 02:32:45.959 --> 02:32:48.879 that you gotta promise me on the lobby that you'll pitch Greg another question that 2326 02:32:48.959 --> 02:32:54.680 will only be answered on E three. I don't know. Yeah, if 2327 02:32:54.680 --> 02:32:56.520 you're around any three, Greig, you should totally come and uh see us 2328 02:32:56.559 --> 02:33:01.280 on the show and hang out E three. It's coming three ready for you 2329 02:33:01.360 --> 02:33:07.719 three? No, alright, fantastic. Drew sent me say he's got a 2330 02:33:07.799 --> 02:33:09.639 list of set pieces that we need to look at. I'm very excited. 2331 02:33:11.639 --> 02:33:15.200 It's gonna be a fun show in like three weeks. Indeed. All right, 2332 02:33:15.239 --> 02:33:18.079 guys, thanks again for coming by, and thank you all for listening 2333 02:33:18.440 --> 02:33:20.879 to the Bomb Cast. No.