Using free speech to free minds. You're listening to the David Night Show.
As the clock strikes thirteen. It's Friday, the twenty ninth of December.
You're of our Lord two thousand and twenty three. Well, I'm Tony Arderburn.
I'm filling in for the great David Knight. I am joined by the
legendary Guard Goldsmith. Thanks for having me. We've got a great show lined
up for you. We've got Guard here in the first hour, Don Jeffries
in the second, and a very special third hour, Charlie Robinson, Mister
Anderson, Billy Ray Valentine and talk about a new phenomenon of jen Zers looking
up to Issama bin Laden. They like Tim Osmond. Can you believe it?
Guard? It's one heck of us? Cell Well, what an absolute
honor. The final David Knight Show for the year. We're closing in strong,
giving David time off, which he I don't know how he does it.
If you've ever filled it, Guard, you're a veteran now of hosting
this show. And does that just give you all the more respect for what
David does. I've started filling in in twenty nineteen. It does not get
easier, my friend. I mean, I know, it's amazing both vets
now, yeah, yeah, Tony, And it's great to see you.
Happy New Year early, and thanks for being such a stalwart anchor during twenty
twenty three in my life and also on your own programs. And when you
fill in for David and join David on Thursdays at usually at ten thirty in
the morning Eastern time. And that's not to plug, but boy, praising
David Knight is not sufficient the work that he does. As you know,
the burden that you feel for the audience is I think only paralleled or matched
by the burden that you feel because you're so honored to fill in for David,
who does such astounding work that you want to step You've got to step
it up, You've got to do an amazing job. Well, I think
having you on helps to expand the intelligence quotion of the show. For sure.
I'm glad you're here in the first hour. And again we've got a
great show lined up for you. Final show of the year, for the
David Knight Show. We're gonna close strong with a round table panel. Hey,
do you want to do the third hour? You welcome to come back
or just stay on the line. I don't whatever you'd like, Gardening.
Those people are all great heroes of mine. I'd love to stop by,
say hello, wish him happy New Year, and of course let them know
that the IRS agents will be stopping by this year eighty seven thousand. Yeah,
you know they're gonna come before the FBI because of course these guys might
be concerned parents hanging around outside of their school board meeting and that's evil.
Or they could be Catholics, so that's evil too. Well, they're from
the government and they're here to help. Oh goodness, Well, I've got
Gardener. We're talking off air, and by the way, we're streaming live
on freeworld dot fm. That's the the the group project between myself and Billy
Ray Valentine and Don Jeffries and others. Garb will be joining us there.
We got a lot of great hosts. It's a it's another lifeboat we made
for free speech. So if you're you're hearing about this, David will be
streaming live. They're very soon and working out some of the technical issues.
But Freeworld dot fm is picking up the show, so I wanted to shout
that out as well, and I will be paying attention to the rockfinchat to
hear on David's channel. For sure, I'll periodically kind of go back and
forth. If you've got comments and questions or anything you want to throw into
the Rockfinn Chat, You're certainly welcome to do that. Guard and I were
talking off air, and you know, this is another aspect of why I
respect David so much. You have to choose in in this era, or
as David will say, error in this era, you have to you look
around and say, Okay, what's what are the headlines that me the most?
What what can I glean Because I got you know, only got three
hours. It seems like it seems like a long time. But when you're
talking about this massive amount of news coverage and information, what's what? What
are some of the themes? And that's kind of what I'd do with my
show. And Guard and I were talking off air, and I said,
now, did you see the story about how Russia and Iran uh formerly and
we've they've been doing this for a while, but backing away they've dumped the
dollar and Guard says yes, and he goes and then I saw where Lindsey
Graham called for the bombing of Iran, and I said, aha, I
did the same thing. I put it together. The stories are right next
to each other. I mean, it's so predictable. Now, let's let's
pull up this headline. I want to talk a little bit about this.
And yeah, and and hats off to the anti war people. They do
a great job at at anti war dot com. Boy, absolutely, I
don't. I need to to get better at sending them some donations. I've
used anti war dot com for years and years after I started reading Pap Buchanan.
Les can pull this up. Here's here's the story here to standby.
You know, Russia Iran finally dumped the US dollar for good. And this
is off MSN dot com. In a bold move that shakes the foundations of
international trade, Russia and Iran have officially turned their backs on the US dollar.
This decision, a strategic pivot towards utilizing local currencies in their bilateral trade,
marks a significant shift in the global economic landscape. The move not only
challenges the dollar's dominance, but signals a deeper integration within the Bricks Alliance as
Iran prepares to join its ranks. In twenty twenty four, Gee nobody could
have seen that coming. Oh no, I mean, are you know,
forty different sanctions on thirty six different countries weaponizing the dollar. You know,
we we abandoned the Breton Woods system. Oh we we didn't break our word,
did we guard you know, having Richard Nixon take us off the gold
standard in nineteen seventy one, that didn't completely disrupt the new economic world order,
you know, from nineteen forty four onwards. No, right, of
course, they were deceptively sort of breaking their word from the moment that fed
began, because they were, you know, surreptitiously issuing going into fractional reserve
banking, and they weren't telling people that they only had a fraction of what
they could have promised to people if they wanted to redeem their dollars for the
percentage of gold that they promised, right up to the point where Nixon said,
Okay, yeah, a lot of foreigners have been buying our gold,
so don't tell anybody, but we've already lost a lot of the United States
held gold at Fort Knox. So yeah, it looks like we're pretty much
going to have to go off this fictitious dollar connection to announce of gold,
because that was one of the reasons why they said, well, you know,
once we allow people to own gold again, guess what, people are
not going to want to hold on to that dollar that they keep pumping out.
They can't keep pumping out the goal the way they pump out the dollars,
so it gets which one is going to lose its value, and that's
what they do. And of course they have incentive to do that because they
can only tax so high to keep funding their welfare pig sty and then they
can so they have to borrow. And the only way they can facilitate their
borrowing is of course by getting the Federal Reserve to buy their bonds and create
more money by doing so, which is destructive to the productive capacity of every
human being out there. Well yeah, and there's so many factors to what
the term is called d dollarization, and that's one. It's a theme that
I talk about all the time on my programs anytimes I'm a guest anywhere,
because it's the historical implications of what's going on not being picked up by the
mainstream media. It's going to be like something we've never actually ever experienced in
history, because we have never lost the world's reserve currency status as the American
people, you know, in nineteen forty four, as you know, Guarded,
they set up the Breton Woods system. You've mentioned you've been to the
Breton Woods, the hotel there where they met. Yeah, my brother had
his wedding there. Yeah, that's right. And they set up the IMF.
They set gold at thirty five dollars and an ounce. It became the
world's reserve currency and that lasted until that system lasted until nineteen seventy one.
And one of the you know, the themes going on through the sixties was
the debasing of our coinage. You know, the nineteen sixty four was the
last time that we had silver in our half dollars, quarters, and dimes
and dollars from the US meant other countries took notice. As a matter of
fact, I was talking yesterday to a friend of mine, mister Anderson,
and I said, you know that the Gaul, the president of France,
sent his warships over in the late nineteen sixties to pick up the gold because
other countries they wanted those dollars redeemable in gold. And this is interesting because
I was talking to guard off Air. I bought yesterday from a customer.
I don't usually buy notes, but this one and there's another one i'll talk
about later, a five dollar bill. This is a twenty dollars bill from
nineteen fifty. Okay, I know you can't really see it on the camera's
not I can't reach that far, but it's a it's a nineteen fifty twenty
dollars bill. And uh, let's see if I need I need a magnifying
glass. Really, but there's some fine print on this bill that you won't
see on a modern Federal Reserve note. Twenty dollars bill, And if you'll
bear with me, I'll see if I can read it. And of course
it says this note is legal tender, you know, and is can be
clear clearing all debts public and private, and is redeemable. This is the
key is redeemable in lawful money, otherwise known as gold. Specie currency the
gold right, right right, And of course the difference between specie and fiat.
If people aren't familiar, Specie is hard currency, gold, silver,
some other recognizable long term commodity that people find of common value, and fiat
currency is that which is imposed on us by government. Fiat and you're right.
You know, the interesting thing, Tony is you had that happening and
people were aware of it. When Roosevelt called for people to turn in their
gold, my mom told me my grandfather, who had only a sixth grade
education, ended up owning a company with you know, three plants. He
actually owned the very tip of Montauk Point on Long Island, and they had
to sell it. It's worth like, you know, ten million dollars now
or something like that, but they had to sell it. So he had
been a very successful guy. He didn't turn his gold in. He's like,
no way am I turning my gold into that criminal. And over the
years, of course, the imbalance grows and grows between they're issuing in the
paper currency and what people can actually redeem. Because if they wanted to redeem
that, say in nineteen fifty five, they would they might it wouldn't they
would have been issuing more of those slips. So if people, if all
the people who had those slips wanted to redeem them in nineteen fifty there'd be
a higher chance that the US Mint, the US Government, the Federal Reserve,
could the Federal Reserve could exchange it for what they promised they could exchange
it for As the years go by, more people have those things, but
they don't actually represent the same percentage. Now it's a smaller percent. More
people have them, they go to turn them in. Sorry, we sold
out. It's gone. And then Nixon, as you say, breaks in
at the what was it the close of Bonanza or during Bonanza in the seventies.
It breaks in August fifteenth, nineteen seventy one, interrupts an episode of
Bonanza and takes us off the closes the gold window used the word temporary fifty
plus years ago. Well, the interesting thing about this guard is this this
is a redeemable and lawful money. So what it's saying is this isn't money,
right, This is a certificate. Right. This is a certificate so
you can obtain lawful money and how. And the cruel joke about this is
in nineteen fifty you couldn't get as a private citizen, you couldn't get this
redeemable in goal. This was for the other countries that use the dollar.
That's what this was great point. And you know they should point out that
that sort of draws that distinction between statute and constitution and statute and natural law
those you know, the items that we agree to ourselves personally as human beings,
as something that we recognize as something with value, and we make a
contract to make an agreement that's based on natural law. That's the respect under
God an agreement. We don't lie, we don't cheat, we don't steal,
statute of course, certain by the state. Between those on the constitutional
level. People often will use the term lawful when they are sliding something in
nowadays to say, well, is it lawful? They're implying constitutional, but
they don't really mean it. But that actually does mean constitutional, because the
constitution only permits the federal government, not something that's granted a monopoly by the
government called the Federal Reserve, and only grants the federal government the ability to
coin money and affix the value thereof, and it's not even supposed to be
the exclusive money. That's one of the things Ron Paul has brought up.
Anybody who's interested in free banking and understanding how to stop the inflationary process is
get it completely away from any political hands, because they're the ones who are
incentivized to use the statues to say this is all you can deal with and
then just keep creating it to pay off all these people that they gave promises
to so they can get votes. If we had a private banking system and
the banks were holding their own stores of gold or silver and they wanted to
issue redemption slips that they might call whatever, you know, bank A dollar
or bank B dollar, whatever, then we could compare and say, excuse
me, can I check your stocks? Are you operating on fractional reserve?
Do you have enough that if you have issued these papers? My friends,
if I give them this, they will know that they can go in and
get that solid, real money, that so called lawful money, whether or
not it's under the constitution you want to think of it as the constitution or
is just personal person? Am I ripping them off if I give them this?
Or will they get the money? And then if the banks say sorry,
we don't want to show you, well, then we wouldn't go to
the banks, and my friends wouldn't take that money. Well, right,
And it's a trust issue, And that's what's the crux of the dollarization is
not only the sanctions. And we were talking about Iran in Russia and this
has been going on a long time in Russia. In the last eighteen months
has called US dollar candy wrappers. That's from their finance minister. They stopped
using dollars. They've they've done all kinds of deals with direct uh, you
know, country to country, using gold, using the Chinese you want uh,
you know, trading crewd for for discount, you know, if it's
paid for, and rubles. I mean, they've just they've gone around the
swift system and these other bricks are on on the on the rise. We
were talking about the massive decline in the use of the dollar, which is
called money velocity. Now I want to you know, it'd be great if
we could run a simulation to see what would Lindsey Graham be doing if fiant
currency didn't exist, If if we didn't have a fake dollar, would we
have fake people like Lindsey Graham in in the halls of power? Would he
would he be a factor without unlimited fiat currency. I tend to think that
people like Lindsay Graham would not be on the world stage. He would not
be in the United States Senate, no way. He'd probably be trying out
for an off Broadway production of Gomer Pile or something like that. Maybe Pirates
append Zance that you took it. There is he gonna be in the South
Pacific. He's gonna do Lady Lindsay. And you know what's pretty funny,
Tony is I don't have to go to the share screen thing, but on
my screen I have the exact same article. You and I are thinking like
our minds are connected. It's just amazing how this system, especially the United
States United States inflationary systems starting with World War One on the central banking system
has facilitated all so much of the United States military around the world. And
if you look at the fallouts to that, whether it's through the military industrial
complex that lockeyed Martins, the Boeings of the world, the baes that grow
so big, and then the secondary effects from that, which is the feedback
loop. Going back to politicians I've mentioned before, former Senator United States Senator
from New Hampshire, Kelly Ayat, she got bumped out and all of a
sudden she gets put on the board of Boeing. At the same time she's
on the board of Boeing, she's on the board of Fox News. Where
is she appearing on Fox News talking about how more weapons should go to Ukraine?
And now she's running for governor of New Hampshire. So this system becomes
very corrupt. But even the local people they might not even realize. And
you were in the military, you know, I'm sure you recognize this as
well. The vast expansion of the military influence in the United States, the
military corporate fascist ties go all the way to the base closures, and how
angry so many people were when they were trying to close some of the bases.
Not my backyard, this is our jobs. So it becomes very intractable
when you have this sort of inflated system. And right now the shakedown is
starting, you know, just like at the end of Wizard of Oz when
the Wizard says liquidated arra very resourceful of you. Well, there are two
signals there. First, you've got to liquidate assets that are up too high
and there's been malinvestment in this case, in the war machine. And the
second one is you've got to allow the prices to reflect the real value of
those resources based on the choices of the market of the people in it.
Well, since the United States population sort of assumes that it's a very important
role for the United States to defend the United States, the United States government
to engage in defense, and they use that as a smoke stream to engage
in offense and payoffs all over the world, opening bases all over the planet,
surrounding Iran with bases. Evidently, that's that's the sort of ring that
Linds Lindsey Graham really likes, a ring of bases around foreign nations. So
many people get inculcated in this idea of well, if you stand against that,
you're against the troops. Well, maybe our perception of the United States
and the way that the Monroe doctrine has been warped and expanded over the past
one hundred and fifty two hundred years, maybe that ought to be readjusted.
And part of this now with the bricks nations shaking things out, I think
we're going to see tremendous push As you see right there on the screen you
brought it up. People like Lindsay Graham and the warhawks, They're going to
come up with any excuse or rationale they can to try to gin up even
more war. And they're they're targeting. They're going to target Syria and they're
going to target Iran big time. Well seven countries in five years. Yeah,
Yeah. Absolutely, Ark just happened to walk in on that at the
at the Pentagon Post Post nine to eleven. And this anti war dot com
senator Lends Graham calls for the US to blow parts of Iran quote off the
map. This reminds me a lot of John McCain's bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb
RAA two thousand and seven. Absolutely. John McCain, by the way,
the man of whom I have photographs shaking hands with ole Tianibach, the admitted
Nazi of Ukraine as they were arranging the new government with Victoria Neulan and Jeffrey
Pyatt on the phone in their famous f the EU Phone Conversation from early twenty
fourteen while they were getting Hunter Biden put in eparisma after the Midan kup in
late twenty thirteen, in which the United States and NATO NATO forces were intimately
involved to make it look like the government of Ukraine shot on its own people,
which they did not. It was Western NATO forces overturning the elected president
there because he was too close to Russia and they wanted to isolate Russia.
Why partially because Russia dropped its long term investments in bonds starting in two thousand
and nine as the American Recovery Act blew up the money supply even more under
Obama and something that is also tied to, as you mentioned France at that
time. You know, you recently reunited Germany asked for their goldback and the
Federal Reserve said, oh, we can't give it to you. It took
them years to finally admit, like, well, yeah, maybe we'll give
it to you. In dribs and drabs, so we can see very clearly
what has been going on with the people who are telling us they're fighting for
freedom or that they love Jewish people right because their type of mindset, Lindsey
Graham will not tell you that he was shaking hands and putting his arm around
a Nazi from the Slova Da Party. People can look it up. His
name is Tiannibac with a ty Tianni Bac, and he's in multiple photographs with
Joe Biden as well and Amy Klobashar. They all met together, they were
all there, They were photographs on stage with that guy. They all have
these justifications, guessing in their own their own minds or what's left of their
soul. You know, they compromised so many times they don't even exist anymore,
you know. But remember, if you criticize them, you are by
proxy criticizing Israel, the state of Israel, and therefore you're anti Semitic.
These people who were meeting with Neo Nazis in Ukraine will tell you that,
right. Yeah, they used the most ridiculous arguments to shield themselves from criticism.
And you mentioned earlier about well, you're not supporting the troops. Well,
I was a troop. I would have I would have loved it if
we had a an America to first foreign policy. You mentioned them in Roe
doctrine. That to me is my foreign policy. Don't colonize the hemisphere,
stay out of our affairs, you know, peace, peace, commerce,
and honest friendship. I'm more with that. Thomas Jefferson felt, I think
he knew what he was talking about. Or John Quincy Adams saying that America
was not designed to go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. I'm with
John Quincy Adams. I'm not with Lindsey Graham. I'm not I'm not with
these psychopaths. This this is, this is, this leads to cataclysm.
You talk about, you know a lot of times Guard. I read a
lot of history, and I'm fascinated by it's in some of the history you
read, like World War One, you have these statesmen that were very smart,
spoke several languages, were skilled, and diplomacy and real politique, all
that stuff. They couldn't stop World War One. Even the Kaiser, if
you read about the Kaiser, couldn't figure out they had the von Schliefen Plan.
Once it was enacted, they started crossing in the borders of Belgium.
He tried to turn it off. He couldn't even turn off his own war
machine. And these were smart people. You fast forward, now we've got
nuclear weapons, chemical weapons, biological AI, all of this, all this,
these terrible things. And you have Lindsey Graham and Joe Biden, or
you have a Speaker of the House, you have my job. You have
these these brain dead and soulless really in a lot of ways, just void
of any humanity in charge of things, and they're just blundering their way into
cataclysm. It looks like, and this is a one of these headlines,
Guard that really you know, and again we follow the line of you know,
Russia, Iran dumping the dollar officially this is the headline. The next
headline is Senator Lindsay Graham h calls for blowing Iran quote off the maps.
These things are related, absolutely, and you know that the Again, kudos
to the people at Anti War if I could just mention something that they bring
up here in the first two paragraph paragraphs. They do a great job,
they say. Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, has called for
the United States. I also think he represents Israel, Ukraine and many other
portions that are you know, considered the facto states of the United States now.
But we'll just continue. I don't know how you get representation in any
political system. It's all forced on you. And if you're representative, what
about the next guy? But that's my anarchist argument there. Senator Lindsey Graham
has called for the US to bomb Iran in response to hoodie attacks in the
Red Sea. That not being Hooty and the Blowfish, although some of their
music might be considered pretty offensive, nonetheless saying Iranian bases and oil fields should
be blown off the map. Oh yeah, that's going to be really good
for the US economy. Just unbelievable, if even if you want to look
at it as as that sort of a callous way to approach it. Peace,
peace and trade. How about that. I haven't seen Iran engaging in
the behavior that the United States has engaged in since Iran got its leadership back
after they toppled the man who was put in in nineteen fifty three by the
CIA. The hawkish, Yeah, the hawkish senator claimed that without Iran there
would be no Houties. But writes Dave DeCamp and hats off to you,
Dave. My bald head shows it. But the Houties, formerly known as
ansar Allah, are a home grown movement of Zaidi Shia Muslims. Zadi Shia
Muslims ruled the area of North Yemen that the Hooties now control for about one
thousand years until nineteen sixty two. I wonder if Lindsay's gonna mention anything about
that. The arrogance of these people, they have no historical sense. You
watch that documentary The Fog of War. McNamara goes over to Vietnam, starts
talking to his counterpart that was there throughout the Vietnam War, and they said,
why did you continue to intervene? Didn't you know this was a civil
war. Didn't you know that we weren't going to be under the Chinese column.
We weren't going to fall in line. It wasn't monolithic. We've been
in the Chinese three thousand years. Yes, yes, And it's the same
thing with Iraq. I mean, they the You have to see parts of
it completely on purpose, you know, if you believe in the conspiracy theory
of history, which I do because that's where all the scholarship is. But
if you look at a rack, they really thought, because I was part
of the tail end the evasion of Ract, they really thought you could hold
that country with less than fifty thousand troops. Are you serious? That's what
Donald Rumsfeld thought. And that's why they just they didn't even send in the
armor. They didn't send in that, they didn't send in all the things
that you would need, because they thought, well, we'll be greeted as
liberators. Were they were they using some of the opium that they were increasing
in its supply from Afghanistan. Hey, I had I had to protect don't
you know those those poppy fields? I had to protect those in Afghanistan?
Ar don't you know guard I'll never forget twenty two years old, bringing my
team up over a hill. Were called out to these coordinates. They said,
you need to go over there. There's a we need to get some
pictures of this area and get it back to the base. I said,
okay, So I go. When I go over this hill, there's this
massive field of poppies and there's just armed people. I don't know who they
were with. This is like after the Talifan fell and there was just massive,
massive fields of poppy in the middle of the desert. So it'd be
like just Barren mad Max wasteland. And then you take a corner and then
there's just you know, fields forever as far as you can see, fields
of green. Well they're not green, but yeah, that little little orange
colored flowers. Yeah yeah. And that that is that is a real thing.
That's a that's a that trade in afghan and that was revitalized after the
the US invasion because the and and there was just a reporting I mentioned on
the Liberty Conspiracy Show. There was just a report that mentions that, and
I showed that that infamous interview a couple of times James Bouvard guest guesting when
I was hosting David Knight Show. The other day, I got to play
the the the video of of her Roaldo on the ground in Afghanistan. Clayton
Morris actually on Fox then twenty years ago introducing Heraldo via satellite. Heraldo speaking
with a marine named Christmas, Brian Christmas, and they were handling the security
for the fields, and the narrative that they gave was, well, if
we don't do this, the Taliban will take over. And you know,
we have to allow these locals to do it, because if they don't do
it, the Taliban will do it. The drug trade will just skyrocket.
Well that's exactly what happened under the US there. And then now that the
Taliban is in, they've actually been destroying the fields, and the percentage,
the proportion of the world's poppies and opium that are coming from Afghanistan has now
dropped such that Afghanistan is no longer the number one supplier of opium related products.
But I think it's me on mar So, you know, the narratives
that they give people in the United States, it's almost as if, especially
with modern technology, you know, modern communication technology, going back to really
the creation of radio in many ways, with the fireside chats and so on.
It just facilitates propaganda so much. And I think there's I don't know
about you, Tony, I wanted to ask you about this. What do
you think about the psychology of people who might not necessarily be first inclined to
lie, but because they get on that political treadmill and they're constantly in that
battle zone and they constantly have to present these narrative stories, they might fall
into that trap. They might amplify something more than they need to to make
it sound more alarming. There's always that tendency to try to, well,
I'll gain attention by being pithy or telling somebody that something is a big emergency
or something like that. And I don't know how one can get around that,
but there are people who do seem to get around it. Thomas Massey
does a terrific job. He's very honest. I don't know whether you do.
You think it's just part of human psychology, maybe a mixture of some
of these people who were just corrupt and then the others sort of following in
their footsteps and seeing the patterns and how they can get their bread buttered.
To me, it's and perhaps with this dedollarization happening, maybe we'll see more
desperation. But after a while, maybe people will start to realize that the
United States activities around the world have been bankrupting us. Well, I think
it's a series of small compromises. These type of personalities make over their lifetimes
until they don't know who they are anymore. And like kind of looking at
the you know, the story about Lindsay Graham and the people that have supported
war. You know, you start making justifications for it. I remember a
story about Lyndon Johnson when he was running for Senate in nineteen forty eight,
and his whole political career was on the line, so he couldn't He had
to leave Congress to run for the Senate, so he had no lifeline back
and that was his I mean, it was his last stand. He was
running against a guy named Coke Stevens that should have won hands down, and
he was the former governor of Texas, a stalwart constitutionalist, would have been
a great senator. Well, LBJ had the Brown and Root money. You
know, he had a lot of He had a lot of a lot of
outside money, and they started just pouring it in. And one of the
things that he ended up having to read what he had to read, a
very right wing ad on air that was anti union. It was very it
was very much anesthetical to what his platform was. But he had he had
to get this endorsement, and he just talked himself into it. He said,
if I don't read this and I don't do it enthusiastically, then I
won't be senator and I can't help the people that I say I'm going to
help anyway. So he justified it that way, and I think they just
make these series now. He's probably he was probably as a as evil as
he was. He was probably a little bit more cognizant than I even think
these people are, which I mean, I think I don't know if they've
even given that any sort of of thought at all. Guard So I don't
know, we might be we might be giving him too much credit if they're
even self aware. Well, I was just wondering if maybe they could,
you know, package their their their phraseology and their narratives and their fables into
small bite side pieces that would be easy enough to digest from, say TikTok.
But then I realized that the more I watched TikTok, the more anti
Semitic and Nazi like I become because Nicki Haley told me that, and I
love it, she says, she's her statements. You probably saw, Tony
and before the show everybody, Tony and I were talking a little bit about
how Nicki Haley was in New Hampshire, actually not too far from where there
was a Union Civil War prisoner of war camp where guys were literally eating worms
to survive. Okay, and she has to she said, not quite the
right thing about the Civil War. It didn't fit the narrative of it was
about slavery. Don't talk about anything else. It was about slavery, which
is completely off base for anybody knows anything about the Civil War. That's an
absurd Watching TikTok again, you got it, you see. So there you
go, and anti Semitism can now be opened up to all sorts of things
now, perhapsolutely even have a rainbow aspect of you can't be anti Semitic aus
that means you're anti LGBTQ. I I don't know, but uh so.
So she comes back and she apologizes and in her effusive, drippy crocodile tear
apology, Tony, you know, she comes out and she says, well,
I meant, I meant it was about freedom. But of course,
I mean, really, you got to understand part of that is it's slavery.
It was about slavery, and I just thought. She goes on and
says, I want to stress that, you know, I am and I'm
paraphrasing. Now, this is a nation that we have to stress freedom of
individual liberty. You know, all the all the pat lines that they hand
us while they're picking our pockets and reducing our liberties and breaking the Bill of
Rights. It's all about individual liberty and self rule like, oh, then
I can rule myself. Well not really, you know, it's about this
experiment in self governance. So you're gonna leave me alone. No, no,
no, I'm gonna govern you. I thought you just said self governance.
No no, no, forget about that stuff. So then she says,
she says, freedom of speech. This is a woman who just two
weeks ago was saying she wants to ban TikTok oh, and she also wants
you to register, yes, any sort of use on the internet. So
right, you have to. You have to show your face. You can't
even go back to the founding fathers who wrote under pseudonyms. Yeah, even
during that time, right to the papers and other arguments to the foundation of
the country, it was anonymous in so many ways. What about silence?
Do good? What about Benjamin Franklin? Can he not do that anymore?
Do we have? We have to be identified by Nikki Haley? And you
know, it's interesting when revisionist history people can't get an enough revision so they
have so that the revisionist meets a super revisionist, and then they don't know
what to agree on, and they're talking to a public who has no idea
about any of these things. I mean, most if you've ever done seen
the man on the street, which I'm sure you have, guard to just
watch people, they don't really know. Most people don't know the history of
the Civil War, about the issues with trade, or or the economic powers
of the North and industrialization or Fourth Turnings. I mean, they have no
idea about any of these things. They just they got to throw out that
platitude. It's all about, you know it was you should throw that Lincoln
quote in there about what he said about the saving the slavery in the Union,
save the Union without freeing a slave. He would do it he didn't
care. He did not care. He did. If I could free all
the slaves and save the Union, I would. If I could free half
the slaves and save the Union, I would. If I could free none
of them and save the Union, I would. That's what Lincoln said.
And by the way, you know we're gonna have Don jeffries On in this
in the second hour, and his book Hidden History starts out with Secretary of
State Seward having a bell on his desk under Lincoln. For those for those
who know what I'm talking about, the Secretary of State for Lincoln was Seward,
and he had a bell on his desk that he would ring to have
someone arrested. During the Civil War, including the attempted to rest of Supreme
Court justices. The attempted to rest up was that the legislative body of Maryland
or Delaware. I was talking about this last night, just because they were
going to declare neutrality, you know, eviscerating habeas corpus, which is even
even though I wish it went further, and that Congress couldn't lift the writ
of habeas corpus under the Constitution, Congress can lift it. But Lincoln just
decided, well, I can do it too. It's just astounding, just
unbelievable. And George W. Bush wanted to do the same thing, and
the congres at that time, with people like Lindsay Graham involved in the Senate
and John mccannon the Senate, they wanted to grant the president sole arbitrary executive
power to lift the writ of habeas corpus so that he can definitely detain people,
which they had been doing for years. And part of the problem that
they had encountered was that some of the detainees in Guantanamo had some lawyers who
said, are you ever going to charge these guys, because according to the
Constitution, you can't do this. You either have to lift the writ of
habeas corpus for everybody, or you got to get these guys an opportunity to
hear the evidence against them and be charged with the crime. You can't just
kidnap people and hold them. Of course, indirectly, they're you know,
they threatening kidnap of all of us if we don't keep paying these fatuous criminals.
So you know, I don't know how much different that is than a
mafia, But maybe it's just as I mentioned on my show, maybe they
just use more decorous language. Oh the momb Er amateurs. Yeah, I
mean I haven't understood. They got to use Edward Burnet's as propaganda techniques.
That's the key. This is, you know, the fight that I thought
I really saw in two thousand and two, in two thousand and three was
the Patriot Act itself. And this is me at twenty two years old,
and I remember being I was about to id just gotten back from Afghanistan and
was deployed to Iraq, and I remember just going, what are they doing?
We didn't need this to defeat Tojo's Japan or the Third Reich. What
are they doing? What does that even mean? Like? Why do I
need to give up so much of my of my freedom and my liberty so
that the state can find people's quote unquote in caves? And I thought,
this isn't what this is about. And I knew that. I just instinctively
knew that, you know, at a young age, and I just watched
this country headlong dive into authoritarianism and we saw that just spill over into COVID
nineteen eighty four. This is what that was. I mean, they just
were able to put this flip, that switch it's it's it's terrifying. You
know, we still have some remnants of of the Constitution, some remnants of
the Bill of Rights, those are hanging around. It's more like a shadow
of a shadow that we still have that, but we are again this is
that they use the crises. They use it never let a good opportunity to
go to waste. And then you start thinking, well, you had this
all written up, and we're going to talk about this in the third hour
a little bit. There's a there's an article up I saw a couple of
days ago about how gen zers are are. They have a lot of admiration
for Osama bin Laden because he wrote they read his letter and they're just kind
of now stumbling upon US foreign policy blowback. We're going to talk a little
bit. I've got a great panel in the third hour to go over just
the history of how we got to nine to eleven. And then you know
what, what what is asam bin Laden's role? What is it now that
they're rolling out for kids, is you know you talk about and this is
ticked. This is a TikTok phenomenon where they're reading uh Soomonn's letter. There's
there's so much there. They use these boogeymen they use, they use these
straw men that they that are that work for them. By the way,
you know, you have that famous picture of Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam
Us saying have you ever seen that video? Oh yeah, oh yeah yeah.
And you know, you know, Tony, you bring up a couple
of things. You know, watching people like Aaron Mante and Max Blum,
Blumenthal and others. Jimmy Door has been doing a really good job. Uh.
You know, one of the points that sort of ties into this if
you're talking about the number of gen Zers who say wow, you know,
I was unaware of what Bin Lauden had said that ties into this canard that
they give us of this self governance thing, the idea that the government that
rules over us and forces us to pay for it is somehow us. And
as I've mentioned on my show a number of times, one of the most
striking statements from anybody that confirmed so many of the things that I and pro
peace people have been mentioning. Ron Paul would probably discuss this as well to
using the Intern blowback was the Times Square bomber, when they asked him how
he pled he said guilty, guilty, one hundred times guilty. And if
the United States government continues to do is what it is doing in the Middle
East, more American civilians will die, which sort of ties into the blowback
idea, and then that can be translated into what these politicians, people like
Stepanek who called up the heads of M I. T and you, Penn
and Harvard, and they know they try to inflate what could be a minor
problem. A problem on campuses may be growing, maybe inflamed intentionally, we
don't know. But I'm not hearing a lot of young people calling for the
extermination of Jews. I'm hearing for I'm hearing calls for a cease fire,
as two Palestinian women did outside of the Capital building in front of a senator
Fetterman, and he had the gall this power I balance just manifestly showing itself.
He pulls an Israeli flag out and waives it in front of these people
whom he is forcing to pay taxes in order to turn them into weapons that
will be supplied to Israel to possibly blow their relatives to pieces. That's what
he doesn't seem to grasp. And then they say, well, you can't
criticize the state of Israel, because criticizing the state of Israel is criticism of
the people of Israel, and that's anti Semitic. So what they're telling us
really is if they're saying that, then that actually buys into the rationale that
Helmas can kill civilians. It buys into the same rationale that the Times Square
Bomber said, if we cannot criticize the policies of a political entity, and
therefore that is criticism of the people on the ground who might have no control
over that political entity, and might be you know, a portion of them
probably disagree, but they're not so called represented, then they themselves are tying
them all in. As I mentioned on my show last night, Benjamin Netan
Yahoo, as you know, more than once said that it was better for
Israel to keep Hamas in power because they would be an oppositional force and they
wouldn't negotiate. Therefore they could use military force to keep pushing into Gaza.
Right, that was his plan. The United States supported him and Israel supported
him. So what he actually did, he actually knowingly supported a group of
people that he knew would put the people under him at greater risk of death,
kidnapping, and all the things that they've been talking about since October seventh.
We knew that he supported them. Well, they need edic conflict to
initiate the changes that they want to implementa right, And it's something Kennedy said,
those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable. Right, Right,
So you're totally there is a school of thought about blowback. This is
very much the Buchanan foreign policy. You know, he predicted a cataclysmic terror
event on US soil in his book A Republic Not an Empire in nineteen ninety
nine. I happen to agree with that. But I also think, and
if you want to go a little bit deeper, I think that those in
power know that. I think they help recruit the people that are going to
carry out the terror. They help them, they funnel it so it can
have the maximum. It's kind of like FDR making sure that all the ships
were lined up in a certain way, that the commanders at Pearl Harbor didn't
have the proper intelligence and weren't briefed on what was actually happening. The Japanese
code called Purple months in advance, we already knew that and let those people
just twist in the wind, not that they you know, again that it's
not the Japanese did attack Pearl Harbor, but we didn't have to let them
do that, and that's that it was. It was for the effect.
So it's I think that's a probably a modern you know, this is one
thing the Project for the New American Century said in September of two thousand that
they needed a pearl, a new new Pearl Harbor to initiate the that the
again not just the Project for New American Century, but that what John McCain
would call rogue state rollback, which is really just the class project of the
military industrial complex and the neocons. So true. And you know, I
think in high school when you hear things about well Roosevelt he embarked on an
embargo of Japan because of the Sino Japanese War, which was a terrible conflict,
and so on and so forth, and I think a lot of times
those terms, you know, it's you mentioned nineteen eighty four, COVID nineteen
eighty four, right, And it is very much like the Ministry of Truth.
It's these terms become very soft. People get to normalcy, biased they
become accustomed to these things, and people don't question, well, how is
an embargoing forced? Oh, that's right, with military power. It's actually
like it is an act of war. As I mentioned often, Rhode Island
was not going to participate in the Constitution in agreeing to the Constitution, and
the other states threatened an embargo on Rhode Island to get them to vote.
So that was to get the Constitution, which was a much more centralizing document
than Alexander Hamilton loved to get that, to usurp the Articles of Confederation,
to get that central taxing authority, to supply money for a central bank,
to get the borrowing authority. And we are off to the races from Alexander
Hamilton to Henry Clay, to Abraham Lincoln right on through to Teddy Roosevelt,
running through to Hoover fdr Are all the way through to Johnson Nixon, Clint
Carter, all the rest you know. For it's just it's just been a
series of dominoes ever since then, represented by people who just want political power,
and they they know the magic sauce that they can use, which is
central bank currency. And and that embargo thing. Look at what they're doing.
Now you know there we so we seized a Russian oligog's yacht, Like,
oh, did you give him trial? Did you give him due process?
Because I think there's this thing called the Bill of Rights. I don't
remember it's uh, you know, I think it's number eighth. No Cruel
and Unusual punishment. How can you punish somebody if he hasn't been put on
trial? What crime did he commit? It's absurd they're going after guys from
from Hungary or Turkey because they're doing business with Russians. Oh, we're gonna
shut down your bank accounts. You've had that? Yeah, that makes me
think, yeah, yeah, I'm really looking forward to my CBDC now,
Ah, you criticize Nikki Haley there, how buddy, It was kind of
like I was looking at the headlines on Drudge, so I know what the
Central Intelligence Agency wants me to talk about, or at least the narrative.
Thanks thanks for making that easy. They've curated They've curated Operation Mockingbird for me
every morning, and I go and take a look at that. But it
is it is funny because I looked at the headlines and you know, they're
taking Trump off ballots, And I thought, isn't it interesting that the people
that scream the most about our democracy, our democracy, it's killing our democracy.
They don't want democracy, which is funny. They don't like ballot access,
they want people off ballots. They don't they don't want any any sort
of checks and balances on who can vote. So that kind of cancels out
democracy, doesn't it. But it's the same people who also say, well,
if we can just save one child, you know, if if it's
it's for the children, and then those people for abortion on demand, Oh
yeah, absolutely right, or like Francis Collins. I just showed video of
Francis Collins last night that was out there on Twitter. Again. You know,
God bless people who are putting that information out there. You know,
Francis Collins in a meeting with these sycophants, just sitting there and saying,
well, you know, when you're involved with public health, nobody questions the
term public health. They just accept it. I was like, what do
you mean the health of what? What is that? Could you break that
down into the subunits of what you're talking about? You mean people? Individual
people? Oh, that's right. You were completely willing to sacrifice the rights
of individual people for this gestalt amorphous term that you call public health, which
you constantly were modifying and lying about over and over. Meanwhile, you gave
outs to the farmer companies that completely manipulated their data sets, and you put
this stuff out and now we can't sue. Oh, thanks for being in
power there, Pal. It's just disgusting. It is the while I was
following orders thing, you know, It's like I was talking about Douglas Murray,
the British commentator, and I was amazed. I was surprised. I
had never I don't think I've ever agreed with sank Unger or Uger in my
life from the Young Turks, and I was showing and I replayed it on
David's show. I was showing this interview on that show Uncensored with Piers Morgan
Peers Morgan really kind of on balance being a little easier, you know,
not like the guy's going to be very tough at all, but being a
little easier on Douglas Murray and Douglas Murray just throwing out insult after insult after
insult, not addressing actual real information about numbers of deaths, Quotes from people
who had been Israeli hostages or the parents of Israeli hostages and things like that,
not just to bring it back to that conflict, but it is so
inflamed, and they're using it as leverage in such a strong way to try
to target Syria and to try to target Iran. Right now, as you
and I speak, these guys are meeting in Washington, DC in those marble
halls that have all been paid for by taxpayers who could have spent their money
on other things that they might have preferred. Now they're trying to figure out
new ways to spend our money on more weapons to kill more people around the
world. And Lindsey Graham wants to target Iran. Nicky Hanley wants to target
Iran. I think one of the few people out there who's actually maybe more
in line with not doing so would be Buyback. And I'm not going to
vote for anybody, you know, I really could care less. And I
don't know about that man's background, but at least some of his statements kind
of bring up some echoes, and they're sort of soft echoes of sort of
the mindset of what Pat might have said or what Ron Palm might have told
people like, you know, maybe you want to look at this twice.
This isn't a good idea. You know, you have to run into guard
that, like the Senate itself and the building there, and these are sacred
places, you know, this is the this is the sacred this is the
sacred soil of our democracy. Guard weah, it's very very reverent. As
a matter of fact, you have had some Senate staffer recently make a video
there. I don't know if you know about the video that was made.
Uh I was looking for it on TikTok, but I guess Nikki Haley got
rid of it. Well, it's very sacred. I mean, this is
just it and it's adult thing. It's very sacred. This is the stuff
that, you know, the evil that comes out of you. Ever seen
that that meme where it has Obi Wan and Luke Skywalker and they're supposed to
be I don't know whatever they're the I'm not a Star Wars Star Wars uh
aficionado. You probably you probably know more than that. They're looking over and
they see it, says it shows Washington d C. Is like you'll never
see more scum and villainy in a place, more scumming more wretched hive of
scum and villainy. We must where would they look? Was that tattooing?
What were they looking at? They were on tattooing in front of the spaceport.
That's why you our Goldsmith's my sherpa for pop culture. That's exactly what
it is. Just stop thinking. This is that this is sacred that these
people, this is like the Hollywood for ugly people. You know, these
politicians, I mean, your male man is more important, it is,
it serves a greater function. Unfortunately, these people have lots of power.
They have a very little conscience and uh and and they have unlimited monopoly money
from from from the Luciferian banksters. So we're in a we're in a fix
there. But you know, when you got more and more people, I
think the popular consciousness shifting more and more towards decentralization, individual liberty. This
is happening now. It's weird and it's mixed because we got all these psyops
that trying to funnel people into dead ends. Politically, I know that it's
very frustrating for us to watch because everybody's like, I'm with team so and
so, and I'm you know, I stand with so, and I'm like,
okay, but that you're you're captured in the folkrum of the psychological operation
at this time. And I respect the fact that you have some values and
you want to fight for something and stand for something. But again, we're
almost there, We're getting there. You know, you talked about Fetterman,
which I think he is a this is just me. I think he is
literally a humiliation ritual. I think like he was put there to make you
feel like the country's stupid and we can't I mean, the people of Pennsylvania.
This is the this is what the best they can do. This guy
is I mean wearing a hoodie and shorts into the Senate, which because by
the way, it's a sacred place, we don't want to do that.
But exactly he's supposed to walk in naked. What's wrong with them? Just
he could phone it in from you know, wherever, just to have a
screen representation of himself. He you're talking about him with the Israeli flag,
right, yeah, that I think that attitude and the politics of yesterday,
I think we're are in steep decline. You're talking about foreign lobbies and what
people looking at their pocket books, you know James Carville, who every once
in a while was in the news and he's famous for saying it was the
economy stupid in nineteen ninety two. Yeah, well, this is going to
be so many things that hit people in their pocket books. I mean,
it's heart and home stability, crime, all the things that are happened when
you see a culture decay and has been set for it's a controlled demolition,
like our culture guard. I think the lot of these politics of yesterday are
just going to get thrown away by the wayside. I think people will stop
playing by those rules in the sense that you know, I think you talk
about Israel and Israeli lobby, they have a powerful lobby, but Apack's not
what it was twenty years ago. No, No, absolutely, And especially
I think, you know, regardless of what personercentage of the college gen zers
or or under them might be, actually you know, really calling for extermination,
I think that's very small they And of course now if you even call
for a ceasefire, then people like Douglas Murray are equating that to that you're
calling for the extermination of the Jews, which is just astounding, just amazing.
But I think a lot of those people in the college campuses. It's
a sort of nascent and it might not grow anymore, but it is a
nascent anti war movement, and it seems to be fostered by recognizing what's been
going on with Israel and Gaza. And contrary, amazingly contrary to what George
Orwell pointed out, is the general tendency of the vast majority of the public,
which is to forget things from minute to minute. Remember those chocolate rations
there, Winston Smith. Yeah, you're one of the only ones who remembers
that the chocolate rations were decreased just two weeks ago. Now they're claiming they're
going up. Well, they're not going out relative to where they were before
two weeks ago. But you're in the Ministry of Truth, so you're one
of the few who sees how they're manipulating information. And I mean that's the
opening of the book. You know, He's he's he's like, wait a
minute, I just heard what are they talking about on the radio? We
don't have as much chocolate as we did, you know, sort of like
the employment numbers that they come out with every month, and then they revised
them downwards two weeks later. You know, but or inflation is down.
No, no, no, it's still going up. It's just the the
rate of inflation has gone from three point five percent to three point two percent
or something like that. You know, it's ridiculous. And it's compounded year
to year. You know, it's a functional equation, and so it's just
it's amazing. I think some of these some of these younger people, you
know, they're starting to look into some of the some of the background there.
I for some reason, I don't know, you know, whether that
will expand or bleed over into other things and recognizing the source, the money
source, the borrowing source. But they seem to be very connected to recognizing
at least the military industrial complex. Unfortunately, I think that also has been
leveraged by many neo Marxists in the United States throughout the twentieth century to get
anti war people to then attack the very concept of capitalism, which in the
United States really has not been real capitalism. It's mercantilism. It's a form
of fascism. Government favors government, corporate status that sort of stuff, and
handouts and things like that. So when they look at the banking industry,
I think many of them see it through glasses that are a little bit clouded,
where they don't recognize that if you actually had free trade without the political
system that everybody tries to gain, then you wouldn't see this sort of situation
with corporations taking advantage of people trying to do rent seeking on people. Many
people become very anti free market when they think that the United States is a
free market and they equate the military industrial complex as supporting the capitalist system and
all, we've got to bring it down. So a certain percentage of those
people are going to tie in with the Marxists. They think they're going to
do the right thing with, you know, the anti fascist movement ANTIFA,
when that was of course started in Stalin's Soviet Union to try to infiltrate Germany
and turn it from a national socialist system to a world socialist Marxist system.
Try to convince people to do that. So there are a lot of pitfalls
along the way. But right now I think people like Lindsay Graham and so
on, they're shaking in their boots and they're trying to do anything they possibly
can to generate a hot conflict with Iran and get people's minds off of what
the Israelis have been doing in the Middle East. And I think that that's
if they can expand this war to make it even more dangerous for American civilians,
make more of their friends and neighbors who are in the military, put
them more at risk than that. I think they think that that will lend
credence to their arguments that we've got to wipe out all these people and do
this and it's not just for the safety of Israel anymore, it's for all
of our safety. That's where I think they're going. I agree with you.
It's a great it's a great synopsis and breakdown. By the way,
my friend thanks, we got got it from Nikki Haley. Start start the
apologizing. Now, Guard, you didn't revise your history. Uh the revision
wasn't revisionist enough. Let me bring in my friend Don Jefferies. Don,
welcome back to the Day of Night show. Hey, how's it going,
guys? I certainly do And Don, I hope you got my email.
I didn't get to see it until much later, No problem, no problem,
It's great to see you and what a great writer. And by the
way, Tony, before I before I head out, don I just want
to let you know I have given your books to my sister Valerie and she
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Well, thank you. I really appreciate that. Guard. Well, she
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take I guess now she really likes it. Thanks great, Thank you,
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Jefferies. I'm supposed to host yesterday, folks. I just got a little
run down from holiday travels and just being on the road and wasn't able to
get it done. Don graciously just accepted to come back. Was supposed to
be on yesterday, but Don, while I was traveling, you had sent
me a copy of your of your newest book. I want to talk about
that. I'm because I'm fast. There's a to set it up, and
I hope I'm doing it justice. There's a scene in Oliver Stone's JFK and
there is a figure played by John Candy and he's a he's an attorney.
He's talking to Jim Garrison, who was the DA in New Orleans, and
there's they're just kind of opening up the involvement of and I believe we're talking
about Clay Shaw right in the assassination of JFK. And this this character and
I've it's off the top of my head and we'll get into the name.
But his he kind of plays a beatnik. It's kind of got that same
beatnik language. And there's a woman in red dress and he says, oh
popped the bimbo and red and that's where you get that it's very very unique
language that he was using. But the story is fascinating because it's really the
subplot to Oliver Stone's JFK and you were able to go and meet with that
man's son in the form a relationship and I mean, you know, in
real life and then just delve into that whole, which this is what Don
does. If you haven't read his book Hidden History, Crimes and cover Ups
in American Politics seventeen seventy six, the nineteen sixty three Survival of the Richest.
I mean, you got many many books that I that I love,
and you have on Borrow Fame we've talked about on this show. But this
is the newest one. I wanted to talk to you about it. I
haven't had a chance to read all of it yet, but I am fascinated
by it because it does tie together a win association of you know Clay Shaw
who went by the alias clay bertram Right, and he was he had the
International Trade UH and intelligence connections, Operation Mongoose, all that was going on
in that area. So tell me about what what got you to write the
book and and what's the what's the theme. Well, this one was co
written, by the way, with William Mattsen Lahma, my friend, and
he's an underrecognized JFK researcher. He's written several books himself. He's a specialist
on the autopsy evidence. I don't think anybody knows more about it than he
does, so tip of the hat to him. But it was inspired by
my friendship. Actually my brother. My brother was best friends with Dean Andrews
the third and this is the son of Dean Andrews Junior, who you described
was the Beatnick lawyer, and he ended up being one of the crucial witnesses
in the Jim Garrison case because Dean Andrews Junior, the Beatnick lawyer played by
John Candy, on the late in the afternoon, early evening of the assassination,
he was in the hospital and he received a phone call from Clay Bertrand,
and he would later tell investigators about it, and naturally they were and
he was told by Bertrand they wanted him to represent Lee Harvey Oswald. Now
he had done who had killed, yet he had done work for Oswald and
a very small capacity for trying to get his dishonorable discharge, changed the military
and work on his wife who would come from Russia her immigration status. So
I think he became embroiled in that. And again I explained in the plot,
but I think this is all about in New Orleans. But and any
read that phone call changed his life and changed young Dean's life as well.
And he part of the book is he Dean goes on the record for the
first time. And he had been a family friend for years. I became
close friends with him through my brother. We had him over the house many
times for family get togethers and so forth, and he was fascinating to me.
And I was fascinating to him because he had never met, you know,
one of the researchers that knew all this stuff about it. I knew
more about his dad related to thessassination than he did, so we were moodually
fascinated with each other. And this is the first time he really went on
the record. William and interviewed him, and we have the transcript of the
interview there. And he taught a lot of background stuff which is very fascinating.
He touches on the camps, the anti Castro camps which he visited with
his father, and his father's reaction and how behind the scenes, despite the
fact he turned on Garrison to save his own neck and you know, committed
perjury and did every thing he could to stop Garrison because he saw all the
other people being died and he said, I don't want to be crushed.
I like to breathe. I don't want to be crushed like a brug.
But behind the scenes, as we show in the book, he was extremely
paranoid and he thought they were out to get him. For the rest of
his life, he knew there was a huge conspiracy. So this book,
we wanted to concentrate on the New Orleans aspect of it because of Dean's connection.
But it's important because I call what I write about in the book.
We write about the book is the ground level plot, the ground level conspirators.
These are the people. This is where Lee Harvey Oswald was framed.
He was framed in New Orleans. This is where he was set up.
He was manipulated into this group. I believe, like Jim Garrison did that
at the time of the assassination, he was an undercover agent for the FBI,
CIA office enable and telling us we don't know. He had connections apparently
with all these things, but somebody instructed him, assigned him to infiltrate a
plot to kill the president with these characters. And I believe that's why almost
alone among the researchers. I completely discount the Cuban connection and the assassination.
I think it's a complete smoke screen. It's akin to what when you hear
of the Vakramaswami and other people and Trump and when they talk about the Saudi
Arabian connection nine to eleven. It's kind of a at a level, it's
a smoke screen, and it should divert attention away. But the Cuba had
nothing to do with the assassination. I don't believe, because I think at
the proof is what happened after the assassination, which is nothing. Cuba died
as an American political issue. There was no second Day of Pigs. Nobody
tried to assassinate Castro, Obja and Nick or anyone else. Castro outlived them
all. But critics continue to act as if this was significant. But these
figures were undoubtedly there, and we talk about them in the book. Carlo
Springeer who's still alive, and so many others. A Lattio del Valle who
ended up with a hatchet at his head the same day, David Ferry was
probably murdered. Who was a place. Who's Garrison's main witness really but I
think these figures again, were they I go beyond Garrison. I think they
may have all because they all had connections to intelligence too. They may have
all been working against each other. They may unbeknownst they may have all been
told the same thing. Hey infiltrate this plot, And I personally think that's
probably what happened, because they all acted like that, and at any rate,
Oswald got sucked in there. He was set up to be the patsy.
And I think Dean Andrews Junior, the lawyer we talk about, I
think he was manipulated as well, and maybe very well have been why Oswald
was sent to him, you know, to these legal matters and why he's
you know, Andrew specialized during that summer of nineteen sixty three and somebody what
he called the gay caballeros, you know, a lot of these anti Castro
Cubans. Who Why there were so many gays connected to this case, I
don't know, but there unquestionably was, and for what people can expect that
on that all they want, but especially for nineteen sixty three. They're an
awful lot of gay connections here, for whatever it means. But so in
this book, we I went through Harold Weisberg's Oswald New Orleans who It's an
underappreciated book was written. Jim Garrison had a lot of his research on that
I was able to track down for the first time. We talked to the
family of Lee Harvey, Oswald's best friend in high school, which is ed
Vobel, and I'd always thought he had been killed because he died very mysteriously
in his early thirties at the Alvin Auchner clinic. And Albin Oxter was another
guy who had connections not only to Clay Shaw and we talk about that in
the book, but he had connections to a lot of Third World dictators,
a lot of the CIA, obviously CIA connections. They would go to his
clinic to get treatment, and Ed Voebel, Oswald's best friend in high school,
went there and died very mysteriously. And I was able to become friends
with his sisters, who went on the record for the first time. I
won't put any spoilers out there, but there are a picture in the book,
and you know, we have lots of lots of interesting things, you
know, so people will see the background here and this is again these are
I don't want anyone to think these are not the real conspirators other than clay
Shaw. I think clay Shaw, and we go into his background, it
goes all the way back to Operation paper Clip in World War Two. He
had connections everywhere into everything Perman Decks, which you know may well have been
in an international assassination bureau. If you saw the film The Parallax View with
Warren Bady in the seventies that was kind of based on permanent Perman decks.
You have people out there, and one of Hitler's old age was involved with
perman X. So was the former president of Hungary. You know, lots
of very powerful people that clay Shaw was involved with. He was no mirror.
They tried to paint him as a kindly philanthropist and he was hardly.
That's this is the I think people will see what these are all people being
manipulated. Jack Ruby, David Ferry, all these people, the varying degrees.
I think they were pawns themselves, Patsy's to some degree to set up
the real Patsy. And they were probably not even unwittingly doing it. But
I think clay Shaw was probably the condoit. He was probably the connection between
that ground level plot and the people above him who were the real players,
the people in the Pentagon of the CIA or wherever this plot came from.
But it came from far above any anti Castro Cubans or rogue CIA agents as
they like to say. And there's nothing rogue about this. This was This
was done at the top levels of the power structure. When you say the
Cuban connection, you're referring to the researchers implicating the anti Castro. Yeah's that
what you're doing. So that if you'll watch the movie JFK and that Operation
Mongoose. Of course Kennedy didn't send air cover during the Bay of Pigs.
Then of course you had the Cuban Missile crisis where Kennedy trades the Jupiter missiles
in Turkey. You know, there's that back channel communicy with CRUSE Chief and
all that was there that upset the Central Intelligence Agency and the hard liners.
You're right, though, it is interesting if that is the case. Why
you know Kennedy was assassinated, then why didn't we It was free It was
a free for all after that. I mean, you you could have had
a very hard line anti Castro. You know, President in LBJ. I'm
sure he could be swayed easily, but that didn't happen. What do you
think why is it that that so many of these figures were in the anti
Castro orbit though, like the Operation Mongoose and all that that was happening,
all the stuff that was happening in New Orleans. What do you think that
was? Well, yeah, I think it was all part of the I
mean, I don't know how far advanced this this plot was. What we
do know that Jagger Hoover was asking about Lee Harvey Oswald in nineteen sixty.
There's a memo out there that he said, you know, we're concerned that
Oswald is being impersonated. Of course, in this book we talk about how
he was not only impersonated in Dallas, and people were people familiar with at
the gun range and driving the car, and lots of people who saw someone
who claimed to be Oswald but clearly wasn't because he was documented to be in
somewhere else at the time, work and places like that. But he was
being impersonated in New Orleans as well, and we go through that. How
we have a transcriptive entity with Anne Dishler, who William Wall, my co
author, became friends with. She's deceased now, but she worked for Jim
Garrison for a while and she talks about one of the things she was investigating
was all these Oswald sightings in New Orleans, which a lot of them were
unknown to people. I mean, one time at a bar, he made
a big production of throwing up on the bar and getting real drunk, or
somebody claiming to be Oswald was So he's attracting attention and throwing that Oswald name
out there. Why they tied it into Cuban again, I think it's just
a smoke screen to try to say that, you know, this is what
because Kennedy clearly was going for a reproach, not with a Castro at the
time his death. He didn't want to. And they continue and the lie.
There's so many layers to this, Tony, where the lies continue to
be pushed that the Kennedy brothers were behind the attempts on Castro, and there's
a whole subsection of people out there saying, well, yeah, RFK.
You know, he he felt so terrible at the assassination because what he'd been
doing came back and blew up in his face, and you know he was
he was irate when he found out what they've been, especially because he had
been the only administration, the only administration ever to target the mafia. When
he found out the CIA had been using the mafia in this, he was
really apoplectic and he was very bitter. His later Jack Anderson would drop a
column about it when RFK was running for president again try to stop him,
and he was incensed. He told his age, you know, this is
ridiculous. I tried to stop it. We wouldn't have done it. So
what they were doing and their comical attempts to kill Castro, I mean,
I have to think the CIA could have killed them if they really wanted to.
But I mean putting h you know, put poison in his heart or
something, and it's toothpaste. I mean, just really get smart type of
stuff. I think that if it even happened, you know, this can
all be mythed We don't know, but we do know that that what happened
afterwards, if you look at the motivation for something a crime of this magazine,
the fact that's still covered up what changed afterwards where some people said he
was killed because the civil rights and that didn't change at all. Civil rights
legislation went through, and we've had several other civil rights legislations since then.
That clearly wasn't the motive. You know, segregation just didn't have the power
over the media to just still be covering it up sixty years later. Anti
Castro people think again, if they wanted a second day of pigs, they
had to have considered the assassination a miserable failure because they got nothing. They
said, Cuba died as a campaign issue. So but what did change?
Vietnam certainly changed, and I think that's all we can be looked at one
of the primary motivators because JFK, before the assassination, had the months before
and put out this National Security Action memberund Him two sixty three, which started
the process of withdrawal from Vietnam, and then Oliver Stone does make a lot
of references to this in the movie JFK. However, the day of the
assassination, I mean the day before the assassination. McGeorge Bundy, who was
a national security advisor to Canaday you think like the Henry Kissinger to JFK.
He wrote National Security Action Metteran in two seventy three, of course JFK never
saw it. If JFK had seen it, he would have been fired on
the spot. He wrote this again he had and so if people want to
know prior minds, I think McGeorge Bundy had to be a conspirator in the
White House is logically because he wouldn't have written a memo like that which flip
flopped the Vietnam strategy and said no, you know, we have to help,
which is what JFK said. No, this is recently too, so
I think those are one of those calling cards that telltale's sign. And so
what happened after the assassination clearly what JFK wanted. And he was on the
all troops out by nineteen sixty five and it's their war and all that stuff,
and he told all his age this, but that changed dramatically because after
the assassination with the escalation began. So if you want to and that's one
key thing where you look at it, okay, if they wanted to kill
him and stop something that worked. If you want to look at his comments
about abolishing the CIA, he talked about actually abolishing the CIA. Imagine that
now it's shattering it to a thousand pieces to the wind. Yeah, just
think about that. So obviously after the assassination, that certainly changed because the
CIA just got stronger and the Federal Reserve. He was trying to reign in
the Federal Reserve. A lot of people think he had issued the soilber certificates.
That's kind of unclear, But regardless of Federal Reserve's power, was intact
the mafia. No one ever targeted the mafia. Again, Richard Dixon completely
ignored the mafia and Israel. You know, at the time of the assassination.
That's more relevant now today is that JFK was the first president to confront
Israel, the first really the only modern president and would he He was very
incensed behind the scenes and went involved in heated exchanges of David ben Uri and
the President of them developing nuclear weapons. Obviously that changed because we saw in
nineteen sixty seven the USS liberty was attacked by Israel and was covered up for
decades, and Lindon Johnson was the one who led that cover up. He
was very pro Israel. Obviously, Nixon, for everyone down to Jimmy Carter,
was a little more even handed. But so these are all things that
if you look at okay, what changed with JFK's death. All that did,
but Cuba didn't in terms, it didn't change the way they wanted to.
In fact, they just left it alone and cast her again. As
I said, outlive them all. So I just look at that's just you
know, I don't know exactly what happened, but I just think if you
look at you look at it logically, that's the way things turned out.
Well, that is interesting. I go back to his American University speech June
nineteen sixty three. If you want to know why the deep state murdered JFK.
My opinion, it's right there. It's one of the most beautiful cases
ever made of respecting human life and striving towards peace, and that peace isn't
profitable, you know, it's there is there is a it's a higher calling
because it's anesthetical to all the things that drives so much of the corruption.
And that speech is beautiful. You know, we all, we all breathe
the same air, we all cherish the children's future, and we're all mortal.
He's speaking about the the Soviet Union. You know. Reagan would later
call them the evil Empire one time in the early nineteen eighties. But even
Reagan, you know, by the end of the eighties was walking arm in
arm with Gorbachev and Red Square and invoking God and prayer. So, I
mean, you can juxtapose that to the leadership we have now, don and
you and I talk about this every week, and it's so this psychopathy is
so, it's so, it's so insane that the lust for war, both
parties, the both major parties, just driving us towards war for different ends,
different reasons. But the military industrial complex survives. And I think that
really is something that JFK was reining in, or at least rhetoric, and
I think it was real that he believed in those things that he believed in
peace. He wanted to I think he wanted to leave that sort of legacy.
And he'd been and you've written about this, but he'd been given his
last rites what three times by the time he was in his early forties.
You know, he'd been on death's door. Of course, you have Pt.
One oh nine in the Pacific and his boat was his boat was cut
in half. He dragged, you know, is one of his his crewman,
his teeth, you know, in the water. Here's another example.
Yesterday I bought two old notes. One is a twenty dollars bill. I
read this earlier. The twenty dollars bill really gives it away, donn print.
They don't put these on the new twenty dollars bills. But it says
that it's redeemable and lawful money. Yeah, right, which means that what
it's supposed to be is a certificate. This isn't money. It's a certificate
so you can get money, which is they're talking about gold. But here's
something really interesting. Okay, this is a nineteen sixty three five dollars bill.
Okay. The reason I bought that they only made them like that one
time. Yeah, okay. It's not a Federal Reserve note. There is
no Federal Reserve stamp on this note. And this came direct from the Treasury,
And the reason it did is because it was issued by JFK. He
wanted direct notes from the Treasury, so he was like you talked about the
Federal Reserve and his executive order on silver. Those things are reasons to be
suspicious of, you know, the financial sector being involved in his death.
And it is the irony of ironies. The only two presidents to ever notes
direct from the Treasury, and Lincoln's on this one. JFK is the other.
They both got shot in the head in public, as Jim Mars would
reference for all the time. So there's something. Not that I even agree
with greenbacks or anything, but I think, yeah, taking the power away
from the Federal Reserve, there's an argument there. So I agree with you
on I think that it's kind of a a ruse to say that it was
all about Cuba or something like that. I think he'd made a lot of
those you know, Alan Dulles, you know a lot of these the CIA
and the Bay of Pigs failure and all that, just exposing that. I
think that had something to do with it, But I don't think it was
just these crazy Cuban connections. I agree with that. Yeah. No,
And you referenced the American University Speeches is June in nineteen sixty three, and
I think he signed his death warrant with that. I think it's the greatest
speech ever delivered by an American president, and people will just read it there.
You've never heard any other politician talk about it that. And he wanted
what do I mean by peace? Not my peace? And our time,
but peace for all time. I mean, he was he was he was
raging against the concept of war itself. And he was the first person political
figure I had ever seen that demanded that we look at our enemies. At
that time, it was the Soviets in human terms. He said, you
know, they they they you know, they love their children and cherish their
future too, and we don't look at that. I mean, I've argued
with people back in the name when they're talking about Nazis and people like that.
I said, well, you know, these are human beings. They
weren't human. You know. It's like I said, you know, do
you think they didn't love their children? And they can't see they can't see
the enemy in human terms, and they especially when I'm talking about the leaders,
but I'm talking about the average soldier that you know, that are fighting
for obviously greater forces. But jfk was, you're right about the Bay of
Pigs, and he got off to the I mean, people realize what as
Fletcher Proud he used to say, you know, he say he can't tell
you what what what rberations went through the Pentagon over this, and think albers
Stun has that in his film with Donald Sutherland playing mister X, who was
based on Tletcher Brownie, who was with the Joint Chiefs of Staff and saw
this from an inside do but the idea that after the Bay of Pigs,
which Kennedy was shocked by because he again he was a naive young president.
He had been planned in the Eisenhearer administration with Richard Dixon as the political connection
there as a vice president uh total ci operation, and they assured him and
we would see this later with their rock and place like that is that,
oh the Cuban when we get there, they're going to instantly, you know,
they'll welcome us and like we would leader here with the rock, they'll
throw flowers at s and it's exact same kind of philosophy. They said,
well, they see the Americans, you know it's coming in there. Well,
man, they're gonna the entire people just say, they'll run from this
castro guy. So Kennedy was, you know, he was a he had
Cold War spirit in him, as his inaugur Old Dress would would say.
So at the time he thought, Okay, well this I guess they he
was naive. Maybe he thought they knew what they were doing. But so
they blamed him for not providing air tower. He never thought he'd have to
do that, and he said, no, this he looked and saw it
was a disaster. I'm not going to make it worse. So they never
forgave him for that, and he never forgave them. And he fired Alan
Dallis, who was the director of the CIA. Right after it. He
fired Richard Bissell, who was the second in command, and he fired General
Charge Cabell, said, General Charles Cabell, who was the third command and
whose brother, Earl Cabell was the mayor of Dallas in November of nineteen sixty
three. And later we found that in one of the subsequent releases, had
been a longtime CIA asset himself to no in surprise, but just imagine,
as proudly said, the reverberations throughout the military industrial complex and the intelligence establishment.
When he fired the top three people in the CIA, he clearly,
even though he very very admirably accepted blame, he said, looked as my
fault. I'm the responsible officer of the executive branch. And I think he
said something like, you know, they said, the thing is that victory
as a thought fathers a defeat as an orphan and you know which, JFK
always had this great No other presidents ever come up with these great lines from
history that people need to remember. But so when he fired them, that
was and Dulles already hated and people can't And I'm I think Sigle handedly trying
to restore the reputation of old Joe Kennedy, who I think was a great
American, one of the great figures of the twentieth century, behind the scene,
and he's been smeared relentlessly. But one of the things he did,
and I've found this out from Robert F. Kennedy Junior in his book American
Values, where he talked about I had had no idea that Joe Kennedy Senior
had sat on a commission in the nineteen fifties to study the CIA, and
he was the most vocal critic on that commission, and he said at that
time, we've got to rein them in, we've got to take all their
power away except for strict foreign intelligence gathering. And Dulles was the director at
that time. So you can imagine the antipathy Dallas felt already for the Kennedy
family. So many people hated the old man anyhow up. But I mean,
you know, Joe Kennedy Senior had been one of the foremost anti war
activists of his time. He was not only, as RFK Junior's point out,
he was an art he was an anti war. Uh uh, a
World War One anti protester as a young guy. And that's where he first
clashed with Franklin Roosevelt at the two at the time was Assistant Secretary of the
Navy and a typical Lindsay Graham type chickenhawk that was pushing every war he could
while not going anywhere near any battlefield himself. And uh they actually clashed crimes
and cover ups. I talked about an early clash they had. And uh
so later he drew the iro of FDR and Winston Churchhill and everyone else.
I mean they all. JFK's father had all the right enemies. And he
made he made a beautiful anti war speech when he was at the America First
Committee, as so many other great Americans were of that day before Pearl Harbor,
when he he said, I would like the parents of the world to
consider and and just come up with one good reason for your child to go
die in a war. And I thought. I thought that was that's just
that really distills it down to what it is. And uh so I have
great admiration for him. He came from good stock. You mentioned we talked
about the notes that weren't Federal Reserve notes. Again, behind the scenes,
Joe Kennedy Senior was one of the earliest critics of the Federal Reserve. He
knew all about that. I can't believe when when they were eating dinner,
and we've heard all the tales about the Kennedy's how they discussed current events and
all this stuff, and they would they would they would come up with their
socialist views that they were learning in school, and the old man would counter
them with capitalism and so forth. I can't believe they didn't discuss the Federal
Reserve. So I'm pretty sure they were well steeped in that. And so
I don't think is that why you know JFK did what he did with the
silver certificates, which, as you pointed out, is what Lincoln did,
and you know how I feel about Lincoln. But he did print the greenbacks.
And I've tried for years to to to verify the quote that that conspiracy
people from a London newspaper, but it's never specific enough. There's no exact
date, so I don't know if they said it or up. But it's
something like if this, if this terrible policy which has occurred, you know,
is allowed to transpire, this will be the collapse of everything or something.
It's a very dire quote that basically says we have to assassinate him.
But I don't know. Again, you know, I want to source things,
and so I don't know if that really is a legitimate quote or some
you know, some conspiracy guy made it up and everybody cause that happened sometimes.
But uh, there's no denial that that what what JFK did was doing
at the time, assessed as he had, he had lots of people that
were mad at him, lots of powerful figures. So that's why there's so
many, you know, if this was an Agatha Christie murder mystery, there's
so many legitimate suspects. But as you know, I believe there's a group
above it all and ILLUMINAI whatever you want to call it, and I think
these this is where the decision was made. I believe. Well, I
want to go back to the New Orleans connection and then your of course your
new book. I want to put it up on the screen too, don
so appare real quickly. I go back to the phone call to Dean Andrews
Junior on was it being November twenty second, nineteen sixty three, just after
the assassination. Now, you referenced earlier in the conversation that he had actually
been an attorney for Oswald before to work on his honorable discharge in some of
his military and his citizenship and what Marina Oswald? Right, Yeah, yeah,
he had, he had been. He'd done some little work and he,
as he pointed out many times, Oswald still owed him twenty five bucks,
so he was a little irate about that. But yeah, he had,
he had done something. And again I just look at that skeptically because
I think I don't think it's an accident that he because he again he was
connected to those same people in New Orleans, So I don't think it's any
accident that they came into each other's orbit. For all I know, Oswald
is part of his assignment. Might have been told, Hey, the good
of this guy. He's one of our guys. You know, he'll he'll
you know, just and you know, have him say you want some help
on the inp or something, because again I think everything about Oswald was orchestrated.
So the fact that he was able to at the heart to begin,
you know, the middle of the Cold War, that he was able to
come back in without being even debriefed rather by the CIA or anything at the
height of the Cold War, that he did have a Russian bride, I
think these things are all certainly suspicious. And so I think at this point
everything, all his moves made, been orchestrated. So I think he was
probably told go to this guy. What Dean Andrews Junior was told, I
don't know, but he was. He had lots of interesting connections himself,
so he may have just maybe he was doing something again for some intelligence agey
as well. I think Dean the third has said that he thought he was
an asset rather than agent or something, but he thought his father had some
connection. So he's called h Day of the assassination by clay Shaw Clay Yeah,
which is so he does he identify who this is who he's talking to
early on? He does he make the connection? Well, he knows he
said Bertrand had sent him people before. And again maybe this is part of
the thing. He's sending these people to Dean Andrews for a reason. But
he he started backtracking, and if people can look at his Warren Commission testimony,
and we put it as an appendix. We have several appendencies in the
book, and one of them is Dean Andrews Warren Commission Testimonies. You have
to read it, because I mean, I've read these, you know,
these twenty six volumes. Very few of us have. But they're mostly really
boring, and especially the testimony is really boring for the most part. Dean
Andrews Junior, his testimony is the Beatles of the Warren Commission testimony. It's
his number one. There's no question. It's the most interesting. You'd be
fascinated, but kind of the beat nick lingo. But in it he's,
you know, he basically brings up one of the things I want to do
is find out the real person who killed the president. You can see like
the Warrant Commission Council saying what you know, you don't think it was Oswald
and I know good and well it wasn't Oswald. And then he talks about
how he's the first one to bring up the Maggie's drawers. Thing about that
Oswald you know, got Maggie's drawers when he was shooting at that he was
that bad of a shot. And he talked about Bertrand and so the other
things. I want to find out who Bertrand is. And then later when
he started getting it, you know, probably getting threats, but certainly when
he started seeing people dying, other people dying, he started backtracking. And
you know, he described Bertrand like Shaw early on tall and said, but
then later he claimed he was shorter and all this stuff. So he he
he became ridiculous in terms of it. We have a lot of his his
fluctuating testimony in the book. He was frankly became a ridiculous witness, but
he as long as he was willing to say something that discredited Garrison. NBC
News later used him for their attack piece on Garrison, which was was basically
run by a guy named Walter Sheridan who had been an assistant to RFK in
the Justice Department. And I know kind of a plant he was, but
it certainly sounds like you know, they made. We recently found that Mark
Meadows, for instance, was a plant inside Trump's white House an he was
an undercover informant working as the chief of staff of Trump. So this guy
could have easily have been a plant back in nineteen sixties, in the early
nineteen sixties working at bar Rfk's Justice depart because he became a reporter for NBC
News just for that one story. As far as I know, Walter Sheridan's
investigative journalist career began and ended with Garrison's investigation. He was front and center
there and he was tape recorded, and I don't know why nothing happened to
him trying to bribe witness Perry Raymond Russo, who's a taxi cab driver who
later eventually when they killed all his other witnesses, became one of Garrison's the
most important witnesses, and he was ridiculed because he had some issues. He
hated the Kennedy's by the way, but he basically recorded Sheridan saying, you
know, hey, we'll move you out to California. We'll set you up,
and all I mean basically, you know, tell him, we'll set
you up if you lie for us and if you say what we wants you
to say. So this was Dean Andrews Junior is caught in the midst of
all this, and you have to wonder what, you know, what he
was thinking, and so he was naturally terrified because he saw the other people
dying. As he said, you know, I like to breathe in his
colorful language, and we have some quotes from him in there. He's just
he's just interesting to hear. And his son, Dean the Third has has
a little of that too, you know, not quite, but you can
see in his interview he kind of he's very colorful about describing things. You
know, he'll he'll just kind of say things in a unique way. That's
why I've always loved talking to him. But I think that Dean Andrews Jr.
Was a pivotal figure here because without without Garrison knowing that, because Garrison
knew Dean Andrews as his son. Dean Third said, you know, Garrison
will call his house regularly and answered home, O young Dean, you know,
and he'd answered the phone, and he used to say it at the
New Orleans Athletic Club and so forth together. And so I think that when
when Garrison read his because he started reading at the behest of Russell Long,
you know, he was Long's son who was the first one who told him,
hey, not right about the Warren commissions. He was played by Walter
math Allen and and all Besudd's JFK very memorably. And once he started reading
the testimony, what really jumped out at him was Dean Andrews testimony because he
knew Dean he was a friend of his, and when he saw what he
was saying, Hey, I want to find out who the real guy that
killed the president. I know it wasn't Oswald. And especially when he talked
about that phone call, because again Garrison found out about this stuff, you
know, years later. He was initially interested briefly because of David Ferry,
who had been curious figure in New Orleans, and he did question him early
on the assassination, but he kind of dropped it for a while. And
then it was that conversation with Russell Long, and uh then when he started
reading the testimony, Dean Andrews testimony jumped right. And that's why you know
the title of the book comes from that that memorable lunch en counter, which
I don't know that he actually said, pipe the bimbo on Red and young
Dean said he never heard his father say that, but he said so many
things that may have been just colorful language that that Oliver Stone made up.
But regardless that that lunch was about that where Dean is discovering, hey,
you know what I mean, Uh, Garrison is discovering, hey, you
know what what is? What's up with this? You know what are you
talking about here? And you can see in that conversation, you know,
you know that that he's already scared and he's telling Jimbo, they can you
know, they can get you like squash you like a bug and all that
stuff. So he's really a figure that has not been examined. I don't
think has scrutinized the way he should. I mean, he's not He wasn't
you know, he wasn't a real conspirator, but he was summoning in that
was used and manipulated like Oswald was or a lesser wrong. But and the
book also I think shows what happens to people that are involved, as you
see what happened through Dean the third and I we had his mother, who's
still alive. He's ninety five years old and lives in New Orleans. Still
we had her over our house for dinner years ago, a couple of maybe
twenty years ago or so, and it his first time she had really agreed
to talk about it to anyone, And I think maybe I halfway convinced her
because her basically at philosophy was that her husband's crazy. He's nuts, and
he did kind of go crazy after the assassination. But from their perspective,
do you see, this is a very respectable family with the guy was Dean
Junior, was the president of the New Orleans Jazz Festival. He knew a
lot of the prominent people he was. They were celebrated in at the High
Society of New Orleans, had a good life. Dean the third was was
bound for the same career. He was in law school and all that was
shattered Dean just recently a couple of months ago. Lot, you know,
we commiserated because my brother was his best friend and I lost him and he
his brother, his younger brother was probably the biggest victim of his father being
involved in this because he just turned to drugs and after he just died a
couple of months ago, but it was after a lifetime of struggling with drug
addiction. So but all this, you know, if Dean hadn't gotten that
phone call in the hospital, probably as he said, you know, i'd
have a lot of money now, And he said, he's you know,
I go over and see him and he's living in Section eight housing. He's
not doing well. He's confined to a wheelchair. I go, we go
over and take him out to lunch at the Chili's. It's right next to
him there, and he thinks that's a big deal because he doesn't get to
go out other than that. But his life would have been way different.
I think he you know, he would have been attorney, he would have
been financially said. He probably would have never met my brother, so I
would have never known him. But it's it's just, you know, it
shows in microcosm, and that that's why his wife, I'm sure, resents
it because it took something really good away from her. You know, she
was living in that orbit and joining the good life, and instead they became,
you know, part of this the JFK assassination. Quagmire and her husband
became discredited and ridiculed by everyone. So it's a it's a character study and
what can happen from people that just are even associated with these events in The
New New Orleans connection itself is so intriguing to me because that that centers around
Garrison. It's almost like ta made to be investigated. It's all being done
right there. Yeah, and then you've got you've got intelligence, and you
got the FBI. There's that famous scene in JFK where Garrison, you know,
Kevin Costner's look at all the buildings, like well, there's where Oswald
stayed, there's the apartment where Oswald stadium and there, and then there's Guy
Banister's office right underneath that with the FBI, and across the O and I
it's the Office of Naval Intelligence. And then there's the CIA back in the
So he's like in November nineteen sixty three or it was. So you know,
it's funny. Court historys are hilarious to me now like they don't.
It has to be on purpose because you're not going to be invited to the
cocktail parties, you're not going to be celebrated if you start making actual connections
of dots. But it's so overwhelming. I know you've been doing this your
your entire life. You've been researching JFK. A lot of people that don't
know you like if you read about Don Folks, it's amazing, like he
he was part of Mark Lane's investigation in the early nineteen seventies. You actually
went and saw the the and got to hold the monloqu Carcanoll rifle at the
SMITHSONI I mean at nineteen years old. So Don's been doing this a long
time. Like the'se a legit researcher, historian. He wrote the book Hidden
History. It's some raids and I know him. I read his book.
And anyway, you look at this and it's just so overwhelming, Like look
at the intricacies of what we just discussed in the last forty minutes about Dean
andrews Uh, Clay Shaw, Clay Burch, Jim Garrison. It's not for
nothing right that this they weren't again, I wonder if they were surprised.
Probably were, because these these things are probably decompartmentalized in so many ways.
He really can't see who's doing what. I wonder if they were surprised it
was Oswald and that's why they were like knee jerk, like get him an
attorney so we can, you know, because that would be a way to
contain spillover, Like if you want to you want to put somebody around him
that would stop any kind of like interrogation or there's something. So we're talking
like on that. Have you been able to run a timeline on when he
got that phone call? And like, what, yeah, it was?
It was again I think again because if Dean's recollections are Dean the Junior's recollections
were kind of hazy, and it were also in the book. This is
the first time Dean the Third reveals suspicious things that were happening to his father
in the hospital. You know, I don't put a spoiler, but it's
never been out there by any researcher, and it's a reason to wonder exactly
what was going on with him in the hospital. So he's a little hazy
on it, but I think it was, you know, maybe around dinner
time something like that that he received the call. And of course later what
what happened is they would try to blame the drugs he was on and that
he had imagined it hallucinated it. And then he would later say, yeah,
I guess I must, you know, because again he was saying whatever
they wanted him to say at that point because he was trying to stay alive.
But you're right. I most researchers don't question why he got that call
because on the surface of it, it makes no sense because if you have
a conspiracy and they're going to kill, they know they're going to eliminate the
suspect, and why are they worried about getting an attorney. Because the subject
here is that Oswall was asking for an attorney constantly. That's one thing he
was saying in public, I do request someone to come forward and give me
legal assistance. And but you have the American Bar Association. This is how
big the cover up. When and I talked about this and hid the history,
they sent a representative to meet with him, and supposedly the representative now
I'm fine, And every every public chance he got, he said I need
a lawyer. So that had to be a lie. So the American Bar
Association is involved in this, the a c LU, these people are involved
in it because they're saying, ah, he really didn't want a lawyer.
He just for some reason, he's saying it publicly. But so if you
were assuming that all these people except Shaw, again that Bertran is the one
who made the call. So I can only speculate but what were the people
at the top telling Shaw to do this, telling Burton to do this?
Hey, you know, let's let's get Dean Andrews over there, and and
uh and and and maybe you know, I don't think Shaw knew everything because
later we talk in the book about the very curious way Clay Shaw died,
you know, long after his trial, and you talked about when a neighbor
saw an ambulance pull up to his house and take a body out and go
inside the house. I mean, that's you know what guy these people played
for real? Uh, that's what happened to Clay Shaw. So he wasn't
around that long to question either. But so these we can really only speculate
it. But I agree. I mean, the phone call doesn't make a
whole lot of sense to me either, but it obviously it happened for whatever
reason. And it's the same thing with Oswald's arrest. In the theater.
There's so many questions about that. You have witnesses that saw in a wret
somebody being taken out of the back while he was going out of the front.
There was so many things, questions about who was in the theater and
why, you know, you had really big shots, high ranking police officials
and federal agents that were at the scene of that theater to go after someone
who would supposedly snuck into a theater without paying for a ticket. At the
time, the president had just been assassinated. And of course the person,
the clerk, the cashier, said no, she didn't see anybody sneaking with
that cash. But it didn't matter, you know, That's what he did.
So lots about this to question, and this is the minutia that you
know has taken over my life for a long time, where I talk about
all these things. We don't have much time left, but I wanted to
tell you a story about jfk assassination, just my own personal history with it.
I had a good friend of mine. I ran for Congress in twenty
thirteen, twenty fourteen, against the oldest living member of Congress to ever cast
a vote. It was the last World War Two veteran in Congress. I
didn't think he was going to run again, but he was my congressman from
the time I was born, like he just goten elected. His name was
Ralph Hall, and we became very very good friends. I actually stood in
for him and spoke for him and on his last campaign and I ran his
Twitter. He liked having me around because I knew all this history. You
know, It's like he's talking to somebody who all these players and different figures.
And I never asked him where he was on November twenty second, nineteen
sixty three, until just shortly before he died. And we had a lot
of history conversations. And I was sitting there with him and he had a
fire going, and I said, I said, hey, sir, I
never did ask you. Because he was state senator in the in the early
nineteen sixties. He was friends with Lyndon Johnson. You know that story about
Lyndon Johnson saying, uh, you know, get that last bit of names
off that row in the cemetery because they deserve to vote too. He told
Ralph to do that. I mean, that was that. That was Ralph
told that, kidding you said, those people deserve the vote too. And
so you know, I got a great picture of him and LBJ in the
Oval office. And Ralph was a tall guy. He was a pilot in
World War Two. I flew in the Pacific, and uh, you he
just got he just standed, you know, eyed eye with with with L
B J. It's a great picture. I need to hang it up in
my office. But I asked Ralph, I said, uh, where were
you? And he said, well, I was getting ready for dinner.
He's like, I was about to leave. We're headed to Austin, and
uh. He was very good friends with John Connelly, so they were headed
to where JFK was supposed to go. He was actually on his way to
Austin for a dinner that night. Do you do you did you ever piece
that together? At where? Where was he headed? From Dallas? Where
who was headed? Oh? Yeah? He was supposed to make a speech
at the trademark, the Dallas trademark, which is ironic because klay Shaw,
of course was ahead of the International Trademark in New Orleans. So I don't
know that's that's a strange coincidence. You know, that's where he's supposed to
speak. Yeah, well, I thought it was interesting he was supposed to
and then he was going to later I think later it was dinner that night
in Austin. I think with the with the governor, because he's with John
Connolly at least that Yeah, that's the way Ralph told it. So I
just thought that was interesting like that he was invited to the dinner that never
was Yeah. Later, you know, he Ralph would he collected all kinds
of memorabilia and he was just you know, he owned banks and stuff.
He was an old school guy, but he was tied in very well.
And he would tell me stories about uh and Marina Oz while lived in the
town I grew up in. Uh. She actually had a house in Rockwall,
Texas. And I want to say they had memorabilia. It came down
to, I think Ralph was going to buy the pistol that Jack Ruby used
and uh and he was going to buy that him and Mickey Mantle. You
tell me this story, man, and uh Uh anyway, it was a
great It was a great story. But his wife told him, uh not
to buy that pistol. She said, we don't profit off other people's misery.
So he he had like these kind of swirling connections to the people in
the jfk assassination, like like John Connolly, and he would tell me stories
about how uh, you know, every election cycle, John Connelly put that
leather that brace back on his wrist and to say, you know, I
was in the car with Kennedy, you know, and course so much there.
The assassination of JFK and the people and the figures around it have still
have massive reverberating effects in our history today. It's not it's not a cold
case that doesn't matter, folks. I mean, it really is. And
you talk about in Hidden History, you call it the mother of all conspiracies
in our modern era. I think you're I mean, I think you're right.
Don I mean, it's it is, the yeah nucleus, for sure,
it is. I mean, there's so many and there's so many people
that are willing to can believe me, I know from the JFK research.
I mean, that's why I'm not more welcome there because I talk about all
these other things, and so many of them are willing to consider the FBI
and the CIA and everybody covering up in this, and witnesses being silenced all
that in these JFK assassination. But they don't take it any farther than that,
and they think it's an isolated happened at a vacuum, and obviously it
didn't. And that's why, you know, although I spent some the time
as a teenager being you know, obsessed, you know, the JFK assassination,
and this is always my wheelhouse issue. It led me down these other
rabbit holes and so, you know, all the other issues that we talk
about, but it all started with JFK. And I think for my generation
JFK assassination. I was a very little kid when it happened. But for
my generation, the JFK assassination was a seminal event, as for later millennials
or whatever the nine to eleven was. But so it's kind of like that
was our nine to eleven. But this was something that still I go back
to it, and I think it's crucial to understand what happened because it has
ties to everything else. As I pointed out, if JFK hadn't been assassinated,
RFK never would have been I don't think chap Equitic would happen, because
I think that was Teddy's political assassination. And certainly the JFK junior playing crash,
which I've written about critically about, I think was another Kennedy assassination.
That wouldn't have happened either, and the attacks on RFK Junior wouldn't be what
they are. I don't think if it hadn't been for this again, this
history which goes back to the old man. That's why I keep talking about
Joe Kennedy Senior. He lost to his first son, Joe Kennedy Junior,
who there's some suspicions about that playing crash as well. And Joe Kennedy Senior
was hated by the establishment, so I don't think it's any any surprise that
his son who got in the White House or whatever reason. People always ask,
well, why do you think they let Kennedy in? I have no
idea. I don't know. Maybe you have other people that think they wanted
to create a martyr, they wanted all this, this was all orchestrated.
I have no idea, but uh, all you can do is look at
what happens to the Kennedy's. That's why I continue to defend them. You
know, people call me a Kennedy fan boy, and I am because they
keep knocking them off. You know, I mean, it's like to me,
it's to me, it's it's it's unfortunately speaks well with people if they
continue to get knocked off by this uh this, uh, these corrupt tyrants
that run us, well, it's a it's a sad metric in American politics.
But uh, it's like, well, did anybody try to kill you?
You know, are you effective? Have you been assassinated? That's yeah.
All people have told me that myself is like, you know, well,
yeah, hock, come, they haven't tried to kill you. So
I mean maybe the only way to be I guess legit is to is to
be assassinated. You know, So let me not hope for that. Non
It's just yeah, I'd hate to think that's the case. Please don't invoke
that. I think it's just a I think it's just a level of effectiveness.
Yeah, you know, you know you talk about Joe Kennedy. It
always made me really suspicious of the established and you know they called him an
appeaser because what Joe Kennedy, father of JFK. Wasn't he the ambassador to
Great Britain? Yes, under FDR, and they were rivals and they had
a I think they had a very different viewpoint on geopolitics and foreign policy.
Yes. Uh, and of course this is America First, I mean,
the America First movement. Somebody needs to do and you've done a lot in
your work too, But there's so much to unpacked there about how it really
represented the best of America and for decades and still is demonized by the estate.
And Joe Kennedy was one of those people that he was, you know,
one of the guilty men. You know, he was a he was
a Neville Chamberlain, you know, peace in our time and all that.
Well, you know, even Neville Chamberlain was a good man too. And
there was there was some people that didn't want to have a worldwide cataclysm,
uh, you know, just because there was there was a lot. He
talked about invoking parents, you know, you talk about the America First Speech
asking the parents, do you want your sons to beacrificed on this altar?
The American people turned away from you know, the after World War One,
we didn't want any part of the League of Nations because we lost one hundred
and fifty thousand troops and then hundreds of thousands wounded for what to make the
world safe for Hitler and Stalin. It really wasn't a good bet. So
I think I think history is not kind to those who, you know,
again stand up to the expansion of government power or the expansion of the military
industrial complex of the state itself. And Joe Kennedy I think is a victim
of that. And also he's a bootlegger, right he didn't make his money.
Oh yeah, right, that's what you have to be. You're you're
a crime, right said I get so sick. I mean, it's the
it's the the uh, it's it's the litany of things against it. Was
a bootlegger, he was, he was involved with a mob, which is
nonsense. He the mob hated the Kennedys and the Kennedy administration. Kennedy stole
Chicago with Mary Daily in nineteen sixty. I mean, these are all if
that happened, it was part of big city politics and in every election.
So but again it's always Kennedy who singled out you don't talk about landslide,
Lindon or the Senate where he, as you pointed out, used the first
brought out the dead vote. You know, hear things like that and very
other questionable electoral politics. But so's it's the Kennedy's continue. I think they
stand out pretty well historically, and as you mentioned, America First Committee all
Charles Lindberg was another prominent American that was part of that, and it was
mainly a liberal group for the most part. It was classical liberals who and
I in crimes and cover ups. I talked a lot about that, people
like John T. Flynn, who FDR was the first president to cancel somebody.
He canceled that guy's career. He was a good liberal, wrote all
the mainstream publications. FDR sent out, you know, memos to all the
big newspapers in the magazine say hey, don't hire this guy. He's an
appeaser and ruined his career. And that was I'll have more about that in
the upcoming the American Memory Hole about FDR. He was the first one to
use the press, which he you know, just like you look at Obama
or Biden today has the mainstream media in their hands to use the press of
his day to go after his opponents. He used the I R. S.
It wasn't Nixon. SDR used it much more exclusively. So these I
mean, that's why I read about hitting history, because people just they don't
know that everything they're being told is alive by the court of historians. It
really is. When you start unpacking it, folks, you get real historians
like Don Jeffery as you go, oh my, I can't believe this.
I didn't see these connections because you're never it's never brought up. I mean,
it's just a paint a picture that's completely different because that the universities are
funded by the same corporations that fund the media. So you don't get and
there's no reward for people that want an academic career to go against the grain
and say, well, that's that doesn't make sense. Let's let's look at
some evidence here, or let's look at the actual character this. You know,
we you know this last couple of weeks, you know, we had
the anniversary of Pearl Harbor. I talked about it with David on his show
here, and we talked about, you know, for knowledge that FDR had
on Pearl Harbor. You know that the Japanese Code Purple had been broken months
before that. They knew that the Japanese were going to strike. They didn't
know exactly what minute, I don't think, but they knew that it was
coming. They were warned by congressmen, by people that had intercepted radio transmissions.
So you know, that's a And then nineteen eighty what was a John
Tolan wrote a book called Infamy. He was a coret historian, but he
went and actually dug it up and got you know, the the Foyas and
not everything else to show that there was ample evidence and fore knowledge. And
he was demonized. Barbara Tuckman, who wrote The Guns of August, called
Toland a Nazi because he's well, first of all, that doesn't even make
any sense, but he was saying that he's a Nazi. Now, you
wanted to rewrite the good war World War two, and I just say,
folks, you know, I'm not a professional historian, but we went to
war supposedly. You know, in nineteen thirty nine, the West went to
war against itself for Poland because the Hitler invaded Poland. So you know,
Great Britain declared war on Germany. Well, at the end of the war,
we gave Poland to Stalin. So fifty million dead just to give it
back to Stalin. That's what the I mean, that's what the end of
the war, That's what it was. So don I could talk history with
you for hours and hours, and that would be a great show in and
of itself. But I get to do that every Saturday in America. I'm
very fortunate. Man. The America Unplug channel on rockfin and Anywhere, podcasts
are found. Don tell people where they can find you. And of course
I want to say before that we're having a panel discussion on an article.
I got Charlie Robinson, mister Anderson, Guard Goldsmith here. If you want
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appreciate you. All right, folks, Well we're in the third hour,
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If you want to know what he does. At the end of Raiders of
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this article and try to get it to feed into this stream. One second,
Well, we're gonna go over. I saw this yesterday or two days
ago, and I thought, this is this is a phenomenon We've got gen
z is reading the bin Laden Letter. Okay, so a lot to unpack
there to begin with. But this is the again, TikTok, all the
things that Nikki Haley hates. This is the Daily Mail. Hear me pull
this up? So Daily Mail one in five Americans and the young Americans has
a positive view of Asama bin Laden disturbing. Sorry, I don't know why
this is coming up. Well, I lost I lost the feed. Well,
let me put it back, give me a second, I'll put it
back up. But gen Z is reading the bin Laden letter, right.
I've got questions about that in and of itself. But what this is is
you've got this new generation is stumbling upon a phenomenon known as blowback and rationalizing
the actions of the so called nine to eleven hijackers and the terror plot because
of our involvement in the Middle East and so on and so forth. If
you read the bin Laden letter, well, it's interesting that this is even
a headline because there's something going on here and I want to unpack what could
be causing this right now when we have it's nine to eleven and I was
part of, you know, the first army company on the ground in Candlehar,
Afghanistan following nine to eleven, and then again I was in the tail
in the invasion of Iraq. So I had a front row seat to the
geopop politics that were the a in the aftermath, and I learned a lot
about it. I learned a lot about you know, the different belief structures
and who does what, and you know, I worked with the intelligence communities
and what they were seeing there on the ground and what they were talking about.
But I've had questions ever since because if you notice, there was this
time when it was like we're in the battle of civilizations and it's good versus
evil and we're going to democratize mankind and all this stuff, and all of
a sudden, one day it just went away, and I thought, that's
not how classes of civilizations work, you know. And if you go back
and you look at Syria and the lead up to that, the deep state
for sure wanted to try to drag America into another Middle Eastern conflict. They
just couldn't get the get it off the ground, They couldn't get the public
behind it. They tried several times with with false flags that were clearly like
just sloppy the white hats and he's gassing his own people. And this is
when I started out in radio, and I'm like, clearly, this is
a false flag. I mean, can you see that? And the American
people, for all their faults, didn't jump. There was remember there was
the red line that Obama put down. Well, if you folks, if
you remember your timeline. Right after that, you didn't hear much about it.
There was isis in the Toyota pickups that we gave him and all the
weapons. And you know, Hillary Clinton ran in twenty sixteen on bombing and
shooting down Russian aircraft if they tried to herd al Qaeda. That's where we
went. So by twenty sixteen, the policy of the US government was to
protect al Qaida. I don't know if anybody was paying attention. That was
the twenty sixteen foreign policy debate between Trump and Hillary Clinton. So al Qaeda
went away, and now they're bringing it. They're getting the band back together
because after October seventh, So I've been asking the question, I go,
where did they go? Why is it not a thing? Because we have
a wide open if you want to know, like with something real and uh,
I can't wait for you guys at chime in on this, but we've
if you want to know something's real, like COVID nineteen eighty four, Is
it real? Is it the most deadly thing to ever know? Because we
have a wide open border. Is terrorism real? Yeah? Probably when we
fund it. And of course if you go over to somebody's you know where
they live and occupy it. You're gonna get shot at and blown up.
There's things are going to happen. That's real. But we have a wide
open border, so you know, Jim Mars brought that up for years and
years. That's kind of the tell, so I'd ask where it went.
So now I'm seeing these stories, I'm going to see if I can pull
it back. I'm having trouble with my uh being my own I'm going to
fire myself as my own producer. I know you guys had a chance to
read the article. Charlie, I'll throw it to you first. What were
your thoughts on this as a phenomenon going on with young people? And It'sama
bin Laden? I mean, what's you know? Unpack this for me?
What am I looking? I can't wait till Isis gets out of the studio
and drops their new album and it's gonna be the best. It's good.
They might even it might even be the bomb. They said. This is
just wait until these kids get to Bill Cooper's work. You know what I
mean? You can watch them like going through They're like, oh look at
this bin Laden letter and everything. You're like, keep going going, You're
almost there, You're almost to the good part. It's it's it's hilarious and
terrifying all at the same time, because because again, like I like the
fact that they're not getting their news from the mainstream media, but they're getting
it from a source that's that also is equally ripe for manipulation and preying on
their emotions and and and giving them ninety five percent truth with five percent lies
and all that, all those tricks that that they use on us to convince
people to feel a certain way about things. It's interesting the they're you know,
I want to like interject into this whole conversation with these with the with
the kids that are that are reading about Ben Lauden then say like okay,
like here's a little footnote as well, like remember we used to call him
tim Osman when you work for the CIA, and we did that for twenty
years. He was one of our guys. So like, that's information that
you probably need to know. And the Tora Bora caves and all that nonsense,
you know, you probably like it would have helped. It's very helpful
to be alive during that event because you in retrospect, you look back and
you go Oh yeah, I do remember that. That is crazy, you
know, you think you you think you've got thoughts on Osama bin Laden all
your new generation. That's great, let's we we can explore that. But
also just remember that the mainstream media told you that a passport from a hijacker
was found at the foot of an FBI agent block from the crime scene,
if you can believe that, as Garrick Utley had to preface because he could
barely believe that the words were coming out of his mouth. So there's a
lot that gets lost just over the years. And I'm sure that the same
has happened to me looking back on the Kennedy assassination, because I wasn't there
and I wasn't alive, you know. And so the new generation re examining
nine to eleven. Good, I guess I'm on the all for them examining
nine to eleven, but only if they do so with some better source material.
So we know that the mainstream media is totally corrupt, But you know,
I don't know that TikTok is much better. So so again, like
I'm on the one hand, I'm I'm glad that they're reassessing things, but
I would love to be in the room to kind of say, oh,
that's propaganda. Hang on a second, that stuff that you're talking about,
No, that's straight up propaganda and lies. You're close, but here's where
you know, I'd love to kind of guide the process. But if you
know, we don't really get that. That luxury it's fat, it's it's
hilarious to me though, also like the the side of me that finds the
humor in all of this, like the people these kids are like, well,
actually, Sama, Bin Lauden was a great guy, and you're just
like, oh, this is so, this is ge get your popcorn.
The twenty twenty four is gonna be wild, Like you mentioned, like,
can you imagine they come across the audio recording of Bill Cooper and Charlie and
I both spoke at Free World NYC in New York City, you know,
pretty much on the anniversary of nine to eleven. Uh, just talking about
the event, and when I referenced Bill Cooper because it's one of the things
that I've talked with BILLI Ray Valentine, who just joined us. By the
way, he's hanging out. He's gonna be part of the panels. Good
to see, Good to see br V, you know, thinking about him
telling his audience in June of two thousand and one that there's gonna be a
major terror event. There's gonna be a cataclysmic terror event. It's going to
be blamed on Osama bin Laden. And don't you even believe it? I
mean, this is a guy in his eager Arizona, you know, his
upstairs in his home studio telling you how this works, and how that the
CIA had recruited Asama bin Laden and trained him and funded him, and they
know exactly where he is and that you know, CNN can somehow find him
and do an interview. But the FBI and the CIA and military intelligence and
supposedly he's an enemy of Israel and he's saying he's gonna attack, But why
does an Israel take him out? There's all these open questions, and then
who is he? Matter of fact, there's an article up I thought this
was pretty apropos. There's an article up on lou Rockwell dot com, a
great site for articles in libertarian thought, and it says, is al Qaeda
an existential threat? And what is the meaning of al Qaeda in Arabic?
And you know what it is? The meaning means that. It means doesn't
mean the base, which is what we were told by the media, like
they just sprung up and it's this shadowy, you know, group that just
wants to kill us for our freedom. You know. And by the way,
if they hate us for our freedom, can we just be friends now
since we don't happen any left. Yeah, exactly, they don't when it
kill us for our freedom. But it doesn't mean that, folks, It
doesn't mean the base. It means the database. It was the database set
up by the Central Intelligence Agency for the Musha a Dean and the Holy Warriors,
the fighters against the Soviet Union after the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan, and
they knew that they anticipated the Soviet Union invading Afghanistan. It's one of the
reasons why you, Charlie mentioned the name tim Osman. That was Sosama bin
Laden's code name, and he was brought in in nineteen seventy nine. I
know when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan because's the day I was born, So,
I mean they were talking to him. I've just had a birthday. It
is a December twenty sixth. They already had that in the works to resist
the Soviet invests. They were anticipating this, so it's not in these surface
level things are not exactly what and the kids are stumbling across them. I
personally think, and I'm gonna throw it to mister Anderson, I personally think
that these type of pop culture cul de sacs there. I think they're creating
a database of gen Zers and TikTokers and all these other they want to see
who subscribes to this belief system, because I think they're actually doing some data
mining right now. If you know anything about simulations, the Pentagon two or
three years ago ran a war simulation against a generation Z bitcoin revolt. So
what's the Pentagon have to do with currency everything? Anyway, I'm gonna throw
mister Anderson. What were you any thoughts on this being some sort of like
trial balloon they put out for, you know, they want to see that's
the mood of younger people or TikTok people. What do you think, Mike?
Yeah, I'm kind of not in that sphere of influence, but it
seemed right from the outset to me. It's somewhat of a limited survey.
It looked like only a thousand people, But I was annoyed right from the
outset, because this is just going to give people like Ben Shapiro more ammunition
to practice his angry auctioneer cadence and Mark Levin to start yelling shut up.
Yeah ready yet. So there's reasons I don't listen to them anymore. But
yeah, I really don't engage in conversations with people who don't even have anything
more than surface level details. I've had to come to that agreement with myself
to avoid a lot of irritation. I mean, I would imagine these people
who answered that way in the survey have no idea about that building that wonder
woman in her jet hit on the same day that collapsed, and so I
would really like, I would really like to see how the questions were framed
and if I could add some other questions to the survey like that. So
I agree with you, Tony. We were discussing about it. You brought
up something I didn't know the other evening about there was apparently a memo the
White House sent out right about which of these syops are real? We don't
even know anymore. Oh, yeah, that's recent. Yeah, in the
last year or so, the Executive Branch put out a memorandum to in the
all agencies in the periphery of the Executive to report on what syops they were
running because no one knew exactly what was real. There's so many syops,
folks, you can look it up. They wanted to try to figure out
what was actually real or not because they were running so many simultaneous siops and
they got away from them. I like the invisible plane reference. That's very
good. I've not thought of that before. It's the meme where the little
spider man's pointing at each other. Yes, yes, that's exactly what I
thought of. Charlie last night. Well, oh Guard, you know you
you and I talked off air before we went live today. I kind of
mentioned this article and David's I believe, spoken about there's something weird with it.
Like they it makes headlines, especially after October seventh, you know,
where they're getting the band back together. We're hearing about how kainda. You
know, Billy Ray's mentioned this to me many times about you know, after
Trump had a solemony killed. Yeah, there was there was hashtag World War
three, the Iranian general you know they killed in Iraq, and there was
something on the horizon with another conflict and then that kind of got buried,
and Billy's been mentioned they're going to bring that back. They're going to bring
that back, you know, and I've been waiting for it because I wonder
what would they use for the opportunity. This seems to be sneaking it in,
kind of putting it back into the consciousness. And this is something that
Bill Cooper talked about in his two thousand and one broadcast. He's like they're
getting him ready for his close up, Like they're they're showing you the image
of Asama bin Laden doing these you know, these fake interviews like CNN and
so suppose that they can find him, but the intelligence community can't all this
stuff and he's an enemy of America. It is there's something with this.
I think that goes along with not just the gullibility of younger people, but
the fact that they won't research a little bit further. But there's something else
to it. Guard what do you think is this? Is this some kind
of does to ring this up into It was interesting because that poll is is
quite a reminder. It follows up on my initial bush was Wow, you
know, this seems to be spontaneous. It's coming out of you know,
things like TikTok, and people are spreading these things around. And again,
you know, we mentioned Nikki Haley and to stay off of TikTok because you're
going to turn into a Nazi, you know. Oh my gosh. But
uh but by the way, I hear that even though a wonder woman lost
her invisible jet in nine to eleven, uh, she's going to have a
new one to be able to fly to COP twenty nine privately. So it'll
be totally cool, totally for the climate. Everything thumbs up awesome, you
know. But anyway, just so they can gin up more fear, you
know. But I and looking back at it, it does seem kind of
strange. And we know that so often these forces that have these long term
plans they have to probe, they have to test and find out where the
film is strongest in opposition and where it is most most malleable. And so
it definitely could be something where even though I think the bin Laden document is
a real document and does actually show what he thinks, maybe even that isn't
real. I don't know, but I do think it is. And the
logic behind the actual Binladen thing, whether it's real or not real. I
start to think to myself, Okay, look we know that inside the bin
Laden document he talks about basically he's giving the argument for blowback, and he's
saying, look, we're doing this not because we hate McDonald's, not because
we don't like Playboy magazine, but because of what is going on in the
United States policies here for decades, and we're going after you. And just
like you've been sold this tomfoolery of this is your government, we are now
also agreeing with that. So we're going to attack civilians. You know where
the line is there and how closely he was working with the CIA. But
this is the thing, if that is a false narrative that someone is putting
out, then that actually runs counter to what Wesley Clark was discussing in on
Democracy Now when he was saying, look, I found out they want to
topple these seven nations. They want to eventually go after Iran, which is
what they're trying to do now. So I to think as some of the
other people, as I mentioned the time Square Bomber said the same thing when
he was sentenced and asked how he pled so we know that there is such
a thing as blowback. One of the most trustworthy guys out there, Ron
Paul, has talked about that. We know, and when you're blowing up
wedding parties or soccer players in Yemen, or little kids, or extra judicial
murders of Americans overseas as well, we know that there's going to be maybe
some people who are connected to those who don't quite like that. So I
think the arguments that were presented in the Bin Laden Bin Laden letter are probably
authentic. But where did it come from in this sudden way? Was it
artificial? It's very tough to tell, and that's where I sort of I
just can't figure that out. If it was done artificially, why would they
put that information out there and get all these people now exposed to an argument
that runs counter to their long term goals, unless they've got some other long
term goals, or as you say, they're probing because they thought it would
be discovered eventually, So why don't we put it out now? I just
don't know. Perhaps data mining there seems to be like a resurgence of trying
to reset the table again to a Middle Eastern focused foreign policy again, especially
as the dollar waynes I just read, you know, we read the article
earlier today about Russia and Iran officially dumping all ties to the dollars as part
of the dollarization that's happening. You need to go back to Wesley Clark.
General Wesley Clark, that was a Supreme commander of NATO up you know,
and during mister Clinton's Kosovo War another one, another one of my foreign wars
I had a front row seat to and he got to he go into the
Pentagon after he retired after nine to eleven, and they said, we're going
to hit seven countries in five years. This is always there's been some you
know, this this the strategy of controlling trade and oil. And of course
there's there's the political aspect of the Israeli lobby in our foreign policy as well,
and how much we get involved there. So I think they're I think
they're resetting the table, and I think they're also data mining. I think
they're they realize that the country is not the same thing. You couldn't do
the same thing that you're talking about galvanizing a popular sentiment. It would have
to be cataclysmic on a level we've never seen before. To even get close
to those type of numbers to justify everything that happened post nine to eleven.
So to me, they're doing something, and they're of course they're controlling the
narrative as well, because I mean, if you can keep it focused on,
well, that's why terrorism happens and not not the fact that it's you
know, nine to eleven was something other than what they said it was.
I mean, Charlie mentioned earlier they find the the hijacker's passport in the rubble.
You know, uh, jet fuel somehow breaks the laws of physics and
melt steel, but it can't melt a passport. I mean, come on,
I mean, it's like this is the stuff they expect you to believe
or that you know, there's like mister Anderson said, a wonder Woman's plane
hits the third building that collapses symmetrically into its own footprint. You know,
you got to buy that somehow. So there's I think there's a lot with
this. So there's these are the little things that I pick up on.
Then I think these are gonna be things to watch Like this is they're definitely
building a new narrative. They're getting the band back together. You're starting to
hear things about terrorism again. They're getting worried again, worried, you know,
they're starting to they're gonna are they gonna bring back the color coding,
Billy Ray, Valentine? Are they going to bring back you know, the
the levels that what is it? Tom Ridge? Remember Tom Ridge two thousand
and three or so, a head of the newly formed Department of Homeland Security,
was the governor of Pennsylvania. And he's got you color coded. So
if you if it's red, then you're gonna be really scared. Orange,
not so much. Yellow. I don't know. Yellow. Maybe it's you
got you got to check your phone, make sure that no headlines have changed,
you know, keep your gas mask within reach. Are you? Are
you color coding your fear, Billy Ray? How are they going to to
make this happen with your neuralink? Is more more of an important point to
me that they're they're getting rid of of cell phones. They've already started talking
about what's the next phase, what's the next phase in wearables? How are
we going to do this? Because we don't want to carry around cell phones
anymore. So they're probably being the color right into your your dreams and when
you wake up, you know where you're at as far as these attacks go,
or whatever they're trying to say. Listen, this story brings up a
lot of several different points that I want to make. In particular, the
most important one. I just think this is part of fourth generation warfare.
This is aimed to confuse psyops upon thyops upon sid Right, I'm not saying
that it is a syop, but I don't know, And that is the
point of all of this. Right. It was a young lady that put
it out on TikTok, and that's the genius of TikTok. Right. You
can put out a video for thirty seconds and if it's a cute girl and
it's produced the right way, people are gonna watch and they're not gonna question.
Really, they're gonna be, oh my god, that's what it said,
and they're gonna keep moving. They're not gonna go research it. They
don't care, and they don't have any prior knowledge of what came before.
They really don't know the narrative of nine to eleven. They don't know what
happened. They don't know three buildings fell, They don't know any of that.
They may not know that two buildings fell. Right. You can ask
people walking the street nowadays what happened on nine to eleven, they might not
be able to tell you if they're of a certain age. Right, So
they see videos like this and they take it as gospel. But also it's
important to realize that there have been psyops that have been run on the people
of America and the people of the world throughout social media for quite some time
now, So to put out so first off, I have a hard time
believing this poll personally. Is it out of the Roman possibility? No,
it's not. I just have a hard time believing it for whatever reason.
But let's put that. Putting that aside, let's say that this is true,
and and that these kids believe this stuff. Gen Z, they believe
this stuff. There's a couple of reasons why it came out right now.
It came out now in part because of what's going on in the Middle East,
right, And and the sentiments of most young Americans are anti the Israeli
government, not necessarily anti Israel. Right. They're giving Biden incredible push right
to the point that he has to make some changes and try to appease these
people. Because they're like, listen, what's going on over there? Knock
it off, right, let's do something about this. So it's very opportunistic
in my opinion, and that's why I would suspect something like a psyop here
that this video was inserted into TikTok where young people watch, they look,
they consume, They don't analyze, They just consume and keep it moving,
and that becomes their reality. Whatever they are told for those thirty seconds becomes
their reality. There are a few from that group that will actually go and
investigate. One percent maybe that car enough to investigate. And that is the
problem. This is the mind control, and it will continue to get worse
because the people know less and less as generations continue. And this is the
way we've been bred. I am no exception. I just happened to be
born before the social media age, so I know a little bit more than
they do, right, But I don't know as much as Tony does on
things like this. Tony is a rare breed on things like this. Guard
you know, Charlie, mister Anderson, God bless, how are you right?
You know? But but I know more than than most people that that
were born after me, by default, right, But but I understand how
this works. Right, So every generation that comes afterwards just knows more more,
knows less by default, and is less interested by default. Right,
it is. It is an attention deficit issue and and and a dumbing down,
a deliberately deliberate dumbing down of the people. And that's what I think
is going on here. And I think it's fourth generation warfare. Fifth generation
warfare. It is a scio and uh, and we need to all be
aware of this and try to try to instruct our kids, you know,
sit them down and let them know what's going on. And if they come
across this stuff, and they will inevitably come across things like this and believe
it because they I mean, it's it's just the way it is. We
have to like try to give them all the information hope that they make up
their own minds and have intelligent rationales behind their way their frame of thinking.
But I think that's the best we can do right now. This is very
very very complicated, and we don't know what's real and what's not anymore.
Well, here's an open question. Was this inserted by intelligence as a poison
pill, as a virus to kill TikTok is to say, oh, they're
radicalizing the youth. That's the oldest trick that the establishment uses to get rid
of anybody thinking. That's what they That's the excuse they used to kill Socrates.
He's corrupting the youth. If I may, and then I'll throw it
to everybody else. They've led TikTok and Instagram and other platforms like it be
the wild West that YouTube used to be. They've let this happen. They've
been going after TikTok for how long because of the Chinese thing or whatever that
it's a Chinese company and all this other stuff, and they're spying on Americans.
But they allow all of this stuff to go on because they want these
people to know whatever whatever's being put out. They want to colonize the minds
of the young kids. That's what they want to do. Otherwise they would
have shut this down already. Eventually they're going to Eventually they'll be the restrictions
that they put on a YouTube, on a TikTok, and on Instagram and
on Apple podcast, all of the things that's going to happen. But right
now you could say that they're turning a blind guy but we know better than
that. You know, if they've shut down YouTube, what's what our free
speech anyway? On YouTube? If they if they stopped any irrational not let
me say, if they stop people from actually giving their thoughts whatever doesn't fit
the mainstream narrative. If they've stopped that on YouTube, why haven't they stopped
it on everything else? And this is a worldwide thing, by the way,
Okay, what why haven't they stopped it on the other platforms? This
is on purpose in my opinion, And they will, they will censor all
of this, but just not yet because their goals haven't been completed, whatever
those goals are. Yeah, and you go back to something David talks about
all the time. It was August sixth, twenty eighteen, the real collusion
between the big tech censorship starting with info Wars. But they followed in the
in the the later in the month with eight hundred other sites that weren't necessarily
to the right or sharing much in common with them for wars except one thing,
and they were They were anti and skept their anti surveillance state, authoritarianism,
military industrial complex. Uh, they were skeptical of the of the warfare
state. And I was simultaneous to the proper not thing that came out later
where they there was propaganda or not. Was this organization I think tied to
a lot of the left wing Soros type money and Podesta type people as well.
Yes, and that's that's a common thing. And so Billy was mentioning
the you know, you got you got TikTok and it's still the wild West
in so many ways. Do they do the same thing that they did with
you. They got you on these platforms, then you start talking, then
you start freely expressing yourself. Then you you know, you create a handle
that expresses those views. Then they have all of your dat and then they
just curate like Tim like Tim Cook says, right, we're gonna curate.
We're gonna curate the experience. So basically they get everybody over there, this
is the truth, you get on it, and then they just remove these
accounts. So then they control the narrative. It's it's kind of like a
keto, right, use the other person's momentum against themselves. Very counterintuitive.
Plus they you know, they can allow these things to be said and they
go, oh that was radical. You realize they radicalize the youth. So
I don't. I'm thinking bigger pick. When I see headlines like this,
this is where my brain goes like they're doing this isn't this is a message.
I'm gonna do another sweep around this very esteam panel. And by the
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all, mister Anderson, any thoughts on the discussion, I definitely wanted to
see if you had any more in that brain of yours. Not much.
I'm scraping the barrel right now. No, I agreed with your points,
Tony, and I just can keep coming back to this idea of why do
they care so much to be more than indifferent to this topic? And I
imagine they don't have all the information or a lot of the information we have,
which is an assumption of mine. But my mind goes off and says,
I doubt they know about the belfour Declaration that was issued in nineteen seventeen,
which was a public statement regarding the establishment of a national home for the
Jewish people in Palestine then, which was an Ottoman region which had a Jewish
minority. And I bet they don't know that that was issued to Lord Rothschild.
Lord Rothschild who went to Cambridge at the same time what you know it
as Aleistair Crowley. Then Aleistair Crowley is a topic of a very interesting book
by William Ramsay and how he relates to nine to eleven in the New World
Order. So it just all comes full circle to me. So I think
in general, you're right. It just seems like a siop, Like if
I can give you minimum information, can I still change your opinions in such
a severe way that you take this position even though you don't have the full
information. So I like bringing the bal for decoration in. We're getting we're
getting serious on our history here, miss er. You can find miss Anderson
as a co host. I had to do a plug for William Ramsey.
You know, well, he just deserving of one. If i'd have done,
if I had hosted two days, i'd have had him on. I
talked to him about coming next next time. I will bring William Ramsey on,
folks. I just didn't have enough notice for him. Yeah, great,
great points though in some good history. This is this is you know,
it's the history. You don't know. There's nothing new under the sun
except the history. You don't know. To channel the thirty third President of
the United States, Harry Truman, Charlie, any any final thoughts on on
this topic, and maybe we'll do a little round robin here to round out
the show. I'm still hung up on the fact that you are the Ron
po Peel of gold and silver, the set it and forget it, just
waiting for your pocket fishermen. You know, listen, sham wow guy.
Just for the record, I'm the sham Wow precious metal. That this brings
me back to Yuri Besmanov of course, in this concept of ideological subversion and
how it's a process and how it takes twenty years and it's cumulative, and
you wonder about all of this stuff, how this next generation is being educated
or miseducated or dis educated however you want to look at it. And this
is all kind of part of it, the new tech version of this,
and it starts to it makes me think like this is the softening up of
the minds of an entire generation, TikTok generation now. And if you give
it twenty years and then another five years of destruction, and then you add
a six week crisis, you break the brains of these people and you send
them off into what he describes as the fourth stage. Normalization. And so
it's interesting to watch it. I mean, it's it's scary and hilarious and
all those things too, but from like a like a like a guy with
a clipboard and a white lab coat, and you just kind of watching this
going, oh, I see where you guys are going with this is we're
still in the ideological subversion of this group. Great, okay, great,
get them to believe nonsense and okay, yeah, and then and like you
said, it'll just kind of disappear. Right, we don't know the criteria
necessarily. You mentioned a thousand people entered from that'll be that's nothing. So
you've got TikTok, right, you can't you reach like a million people?
Can we do this with a million people? Do a million people think this?
So it's it feels artificial, like it's made to have. It feels
like they're testing to see what I mean. Obviously we know got into the
news cycle. If it got into the news cycle by default, there's something
wrong with it. So it feels very very made to happen. Let us
see what their results are to this. But also, Tony, to your
point, what a perfect cul de sac to put some cheese at the end.
Of lure a bunch of people in and then write down their license plates,
you know what I mean, like who went for the cheese? All
these Okay, let's make a note of the let's keep an eye on these
people in the future. So it's sorting, you know, you feel like
a sorting process of this, and you feel intelligence ties to it as well.
Like Billy said, they want TikTok to go away, they turn the
switch. It's a different version of it, but it's serving a purpose right
now. It's giving them a lot of information as to who's using it and
what they're demographic is, and how do they think, and what are they
like? And they're building a digital voodoo doll of all these people on TikTok
and elsewhere, of course not limited to TikTok, and they're figuring out,
you know, your digital twin, what do you like, what are you
into? What do you follow? Who are you? Should we be worried
about you? Are you the type of person that's going to write? Are
you the type person that's going to have a problem with the surveillance state?
You know? So, so it's a good mechanism for them to, you
know, before they turn the switch and make sure that you don't ever see
anything of relevancy on TikTok. It's a good way in the early stages of
gathering information about who is actually consuming this information and then putting them in some
sort of matrix where they can be followed for the next generation to see see
what they think, see how they think, and what they what they're into.
So, I don't you know, I think, as we all agree,
it's multi layer air here. There's a lot going on, and to
me, it feels like some sort of ideological trap that maybe some of these
people were walking into that they're going to get themselves on some lists that they
didn't even know existed. So we'll keep an eye on it. We'll see
where it goes in the new year. Do you see the trend continuing where
we're going to be looking at future years having to deal with this state constructed
narrative of what terrorism is. You think we're going to bring this back?
Yeah, it feels like, I mean, we're already starting to see the
labeling of the largest threat to America is white national domestic terrorism, right,
and so that terrorism catch all term has been very successful for a long long
time, But now Unfortunately, it's now taking on more of a legal definition.
Now, if you're legally defined as being a terrorist, you are now
a terrorist up on the homeland, and the homeland is a battlefield, and
now you have no rights. So again, it's all fun in games when
you're slurring and calling Trump a terrorist or calling your neighbor a terrorist or whatever.
But there's also a legal component to this as well. When you get
that domestic terrorist label slapped on you, legally, you have no rights anymore.
Good luck, you're you know, you disappear. So I think that
this is a this is a term, this terrorism. It's so broad that
it can be applied to all kinds of things. It's the perfect sort of
apparatus for the state to use to go after people that can just mold it
like silly petty to whatever they want it to fit. They want it to
fit you, it'll fit, it'll fit describing you as song as we just
go back through your TikTok viewing history in your Facebook posts and your Twitter feed,
and we find out and we build a case retroactively like Snowden talked about,
to see what you were talking about in the past, and then that
bolsters the case that they're making that you are now legally a domestic terrorist.
Of course you are. Look at all these things that you said about the
government back in twenty nineteen. Amazing, folks, you're watching someone who's very
much mastered their craft. This is Charlie Robinson. I have the pleasure of
talking to this gentleman often. He's got a great show called Macroaggressions, and
I love that breakdown. What do you call five conspiracy theorists who get together
on a live panel? What is that? The news? Is that?
What the news? Thanks so much for that analysis, Charlie, very smart
as always. Guard final thoughts on this as we kareene into the last hour
of the last show of the David Knight Show of twenty twenty three. Yeah,
and it's so great to be here all with you guys. And I
think what we would call it is non existent in the eyes of the CIA,
So let's just keep that in mind. We just don't exist, or
maybe we all are. But if I may, may I pose a question
to you all to see because I've been sort of you know, I've been
ruminating on this, letting the letting the fruit stew in my head. The
fruiting bodies the fun guy. What if the release of the Midladen document or
the promotion of this was done as a way to within the larger narrative book
to turn to a new chapter in the narrative of switching things over to labeling
everyone an anti Semite. Now you are suddenly affected by the bin Laden document,
This large percentage of gen Zers suddenly are praising a hero of bin Laden.
Well, you don't have to call him a hero, you just say
what did his argument actually contain any valid points? What did what did you
discover? That very term monology itself is pretty darn weighted. But then we
see with what hacked in on October seventh? And did did Did the Israelis
know about it? Well, they did have fore knowledge. Did they know
about the date? We don't know. But and this is just pure speculation.
I could be way off base here, but I do get a sense
now just talking with you all, what if this were used to now they're
no longer We're not hearing about black lives matter as much, we're not hearing
about this, We're not hearing about that. We've got this swing towards,
especially with the immigration thing, towards this now international white nationalist United States.
And you don't like Israeli either, your anti Semitic sort of thing, and
you read the bin Laden document. So therefore we're gonna have to watch out
for you. It's the new war on terror and now it's Iran. I
just don't know, and I'm just thrown out out there because I'm just thinking
to my you know, I'm thinking of my off obviously thinking is that is
that within the realm of possibility? Or am I just speculating too much?
Well, it's very it's a very powerful weapon. Uh. You go back
to the Gulf War. Pat Buchanan was on the McLaughlin group, and he
just happened to mention the fact that, you know, if we go to
war in the Gulf, it's not going to be you know, the coastal
elites kids, It's going to be people from the heartland. And I think
he said it's gonna be guys named Leroy Brown and stuff like. It's not
going to be uh, you know, some coastal elites, kid. And
he said, the only people that really want this war the military Industrial Complex
and their amen corner and APAC, which is the American Israeli Political Action Committee
or whatever they are. He was vilified for that. That seems quaint now,
but that was that was you know, that was the original, like,
oh, you're just anti Semitic, so that that could blanket term.
They use that all the time. Now it's ad nauseum. I think it
you talk about real blowback. The blowback is they've used that term and they're
using it into oblivion. It no longer has really any relevance anymore. It's
not even about the true meaning of what's supposed to be anti Semitics. So
I think I think you're right, though, Guard. I mean, it
definitely gives them a short term strategy to any any movement that's anti war or
anti state or anti narrative. They can delegitimize that by calling an anti Semitic
and lumping it into one thing. And this kind of gets them an early
start. And they may have run this simulation with the Pentagon. Again,
this hasn't been more than two or three years where the Pentagon was concerned and
running running a war game against a gen Z Bitcoin revolt and gen Z you
know, unplugging. Speaking of unplugging, this still just I don't want to
not hear what Billy has to say as we as we close out the last
hour of the last show of twenty twenty three, Billy, ray your thoughts
big picture that siop and you've pretty much given them. You got anything that
that you want to discuss related to this before we close? I gotta turn
your mic on, bud Uh can you here? You go? All right
now? Pretty much? This is what it is. This is what it
is, and this is what people need to need to really take seriously.
There are only two real conspiracies that I can think of. Everything else is
utter nonsense, right and and and I mean it, it is utter nonsense.
It might it might be surrounded by truth, but most of it is
nonsense. But the mind control is real. That is real, and they're
doing it through the social media. And there's no mistake. I do think
I forget who mentioned it on the panel, but I do think this is
gonna go away as this bin laden story itself, I think it it'll uh,
it'll play its its part and and and run and and go away largely,
but it does play into a larger, a larger arena where younger people
are changing the way they think and the culture creators the people who wage a
fifth generation warfare on us, right, they're they're very aware of how to
manipulate those minds and how to colonize those minds through social media. That is
mind control. If people think of mind control as sitting on a chair and
and having a pendulum swim back and forth in front of their eyes, and
or being being taken into some site and and then they do a Kanye West
on you know, no like mind control comes straight out of your computer,
it comes straight out of your cell phone, straight out of your television.
That is mind control. And this is what's going on here. Admittedly it
can be proving and uh, and this is what we need to look forward
to. And this is what we need to turn our attention to and and
and zero in on if we're gonna make any headway, because it's gonna it's
gonna become it's already dark, it's gonna become even darker, harder and harder
to navigate the waters and to see what's real and what's not right. And
and to the point that I forget which I think was you, Tony or
mister Anderson that brought it up, that that, uh, they had to
put out a memo to see which which siop was real or not, which
is probably a scio too. I don't right at this point, it's like
what is real? And why are they doing it? You know, if
if? And And what turned me on to it is going back to the
to the twenty sixteen election, how many fake profiles were were were created in
order to on Twitter, you know, and on Facebook in order to to
uh mold perception and get people to cast their it's in a particular way,
you know. And and that hasn't changed in my opinion. You know,
well it's not. It hasn't changed. It's only gonna get worse, It's
what I mean. So that's what we need to look forward to in twenty
twenty four, more of that, and we we can't let ourselves be suckered
in by it, even though it is incredibly difficult to not be engaged by
it and not be brought in by it because they pull on your emotions.
And when they pull on your emotions, they've got you, because your emotions
are fully involved in it, and that's it. They've totally got you.
So it's very difficult to disengage. But that's it. He was he going
as I had to let my crew and Wise Wolf was about to open here
in Brands and so my crew was needing to get let in. That's agree.
I agree with you on setting the stage to colonize them mind. That's
what that was the that's what really grabbed me and you and I Billy.
I think it was last year at this time, we were on the David
Knight Show and we're talking about that famous, uh infamous. It was that
commercial that was put out by the Army Psychological Operations Units. And I think
even you use some of that in the freeworld dot FM site where it has
a little ghost, the ghost in the machine. It's like we can we
create the reality. And that that's that's so important for people to realize,
like, you know, think thinking for yourself. It's something that the late
great Bill Cooper said, you know, over and over do your own research.
You have to go deeper. You have to think, you know,
and step back and look at the big picture and ask yourself, am I
call is my mind colonized? I'm sure it is on many levels. That's
why it's so important to have alternative media. And then you know, the
crew right here, look at this this panel that I'm on right now.
What is just an absolute honor the great researchers, great thinkers, not not
a grifter one here the anti grifting zone. I was thinking, with it
being the close of the year, we should end on some and positive motivational
So I was going to run this one by you. I don't know if
you've heard it, but it's something like shoot for the moon because even if
you miss, you'll just puncture the projection screen because the Earth is flat.
Just for a minute, just for one, just for a split second.
Actually, I thought you were really gonna do for like water cooler poster in
a corporate hell hole, you know, I thought you were really going to
do that, mister Anderson. All right, we got like I gotta do
really quick, folks, Just guys on the panel. Tell people where they
can find you. Miss Anderson doesn't want to be found. You can find
them on Paratruther. Charlie, go ahead, tell people where they can find
The new website is up and running Macroaggressions dot Io. You can go there.
You can find all of the information about my show Flashback Friday episode today
that went out is where did all the people go? That was the number
one downloaded Macro Aggressions episode of a time. That's a good rabbit hole.
If people are interested in doing that, you can follow me on Twitter at
Macroaggressions. Thanks Tom, love it, God go ahead. Well, first
off, big thanks, I noticed a bunch of people in the rockfinchat I
haven't been able to check out rumble chat, but thanks for all the contributions
for the show today and Tony, thanks for letting me join you on this
last show of the day, last show of the year, and it's great
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David Knight Dot Gold of David the credit. We certainly want to support this
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So I want to wish everyone a happy new year. It has been wow.
I mean I look back twenty twenty three, all the shows that I've
done over here on The David Night Show, my own productions, and just
trying to trying to make sense out of all of this has been an extraordinary
task. And luckily I've got look at the people I can call upon.
I'm a very fortunate individual. If I want to find out what's going on,
I'm going to play the outro music here, and I am again honored
to be here. It's such a great experience. I'll be back maybe next
Thursday. See you all about to bully on bitcoin the Apocalypse. We'll talk
that with the Great David Knight. All Right, Happy New Year, folks,
Appreciate you. End of transmission