WEBVTT 1 00:00:10.640 --> 00:00:14.160 Oh god, should we switch it off? Hi, and welcome to give 2 00:00:14.240 --> 00:00:19.839 us morgue. I'm Nive and I'm Megan And that was so weird. It 3 00:00:19.920 --> 00:00:30.719 was kind of weird. Let's popping, you guys, what's popping? Poppingpen? 4 00:00:31.160 --> 00:00:38.399 Oh wow, bounced off that microphone. The refurberation in your earballs was 5 00:00:39.359 --> 00:00:45.719 toasty. So we've already had a few technical difficulties. Yeah, this is 6 00:00:45.759 --> 00:00:50.479 a whole new style of recording that we're doing right now. It's really uncomfortable 7 00:00:50.640 --> 00:00:56.679 kind of So any hoodles, how have you guys been you enjoying our episodes? 8 00:00:56.759 --> 00:00:59.320 Up? I thought Megan had a glass of wine? There I do. 9 00:00:59.719 --> 00:01:04.359 It's my second So wag should that be concerning as to what this case 10 00:01:04.560 --> 00:01:11.200 entails or slightly? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, get yeah, yeah yeah. 11 00:01:11.519 --> 00:01:17.040 I just have my Starbooks Halloween cup because I am that bitch. It's 12 00:01:17.079 --> 00:01:19.400 beautiful. I had a rough week and it was my It was like a 13 00:01:19.519 --> 00:01:26.079 reward. Let's look the reward. I have been having a little glass of 14 00:01:26.079 --> 00:01:30.959 wine almost every night this week. So fair because we found out that we 15 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:34.159 had a surplus of wine from that party get together thing that we had, 16 00:01:34.359 --> 00:01:42.120 oh know what tragedy. I know tragedy. When you find the wine inside 17 00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:46.840 your fridge, it's tragedy. So the only option is to have a glass 18 00:01:46.959 --> 00:01:55.719 every night because as I'm living is stressful life. You're welcome, guys. 19 00:01:56.439 --> 00:02:00.239 Do copyrights. Copyrights, guys, copyrights. That was that was my best 20 00:02:00.280 --> 00:02:07.319 work copy written. So guys, guess what I learned this week And yeah, 21 00:02:07.360 --> 00:02:13.159 I'm going to brag about it because I'm so proud of myself. Megan'son 22 00:02:13.319 --> 00:02:19.560 slaying slaying at her new job. So I got a new job, and 23 00:02:19.639 --> 00:02:23.560 it's me scary. I'm still in the same place, it's different. But 24 00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:30.039 yeah, yeah, So this week I learned what market cap is and oh, 25 00:02:30.439 --> 00:02:32.240 she's got a definition for us. Oh I'm not going to tell you 26 00:02:32.240 --> 00:02:37.479 the definition because I can't explain it like properly yet, Like I don't mean 27 00:02:37.520 --> 00:02:40.560 that in a bad way, but that would just go right over math mathematical 28 00:02:40.639 --> 00:02:46.879 formula. Fuck. No. So for this week's episode, you guys, 29 00:02:46.960 --> 00:02:52.639 it's really there's a lot. There's there's rape, there's murder. Okay, 30 00:02:53.199 --> 00:02:57.360 So yeah, if you're not feeling like you want to listen to that right 31 00:02:57.400 --> 00:03:00.400 now, it's fine, go check out some of her other stuff. We 32 00:03:00.479 --> 00:03:06.719 have some like I was gonna say lighthearted, but they do all involve murder 33 00:03:07.240 --> 00:03:09.960 of some kind, so that's not the correct term. There is. We 34 00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:14.879 have other episodes that you might be able to listen to Bridget Cleary. Yeah, 35 00:03:14.919 --> 00:03:17.599 that's a fun one, a little less heavy. Yeah, if you 36 00:03:17.639 --> 00:03:22.520 want to hear about banshees and change links and everything like that, go back 37 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:25.360 to our I think it was our third ever episode. Oh god, you 38 00:03:25.400 --> 00:03:29.400 don't want to go back that far. That was not our best era. 39 00:03:29.599 --> 00:03:36.479 We're in it now. It's okay, okay, I loved that era. 40 00:03:36.639 --> 00:03:39.520 Okay, that era was me and Neve sitting in her garage, sharing a 41 00:03:39.560 --> 00:03:46.080 microphone, just doing our damn best, just being like, wouldn't it be 42 00:03:46.159 --> 00:03:52.360 so funny if we started a podcast over Snapchat one night and then it just 43 00:03:53.120 --> 00:03:57.199 it just grew from there, and here we are. Here we are three 44 00:03:57.280 --> 00:04:00.439 years later. I know. Yeah. Now when people tell me they listen 45 00:04:00.520 --> 00:04:02.840 to us, I'm like, oh, I'm so sorry. Yeah. No. 46 00:04:03.080 --> 00:04:05.680 Still to this day, when people say, oh, yeah, I 47 00:04:05.719 --> 00:04:08.960 listen to the podcast, I'm like, oh, why would you do? 48 00:04:08.960 --> 00:04:12.840 Don't tell me? God, yeah, I don't want to know. I 49 00:04:13.159 --> 00:04:17.079 like, let me live my life. I like to pretend we are just 50 00:04:17.120 --> 00:04:20.759 talking into the void. We're talking to each other and nothing ever. Literally 51 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:24.240 though, I got through the process of editing it and then uploading it and 52 00:04:24.240 --> 00:04:27.160 I'm like, yeah, nobody listens. It's fine, it's fine, it's 53 00:04:27.160 --> 00:04:30.560 fine. And then we get emails telling us how many people have listened. 54 00:04:30.519 --> 00:04:35.720 Oh not the weekly statistics. Oh god. And when we're on our sabbaticals 55 00:04:35.759 --> 00:04:43.160 and we're getting the weekly statistics and they're just dwindling and twinkling because we have 56 00:04:43.959 --> 00:04:49.279 because we're like, we're taking a week's holidays. Five months later, they're 57 00:04:49.319 --> 00:04:54.279 like, oh, are you guys, maybe you want to post an episode 58 00:04:54.519 --> 00:04:58.959 please. People are kind of forgetting about you. Yeah, and we're just 59 00:04:59.120 --> 00:05:05.839 like, I don't see you right now, Marcus read anyway, We're about 60 00:05:05.839 --> 00:05:10.920 to jump right on in. Let's go, let's get this, let's go. 61 00:05:11.160 --> 00:05:15.399 So this week's case is about Richard Speck. I feel like he's not 62 00:05:15.480 --> 00:05:17.560 as spoken about in the true crime world. Oh why do I know that 63 00:05:17.639 --> 00:05:20.120 name? Because he is, like, he is well known, but he's 64 00:05:20.160 --> 00:05:25.879 not I feel very spoken about. And if you watched American Horror Story, 65 00:05:26.000 --> 00:05:29.959 they do have a scene in it that is very like what he had done, 66 00:05:30.040 --> 00:05:31.600 and you'll know what's scene I'm talking about when we get to the end. 67 00:05:32.319 --> 00:05:35.720 Okay, all right, so let's get into it. Oh, it's 68 00:05:35.720 --> 00:05:41.399 like I don't know how to read anymore. Richard Speck was born December sixth, 69 00:05:41.480 --> 00:05:45.519 nineteen forty one, the seventh of eight children born to Mary and Benjamin 70 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:49.560 Franklin in Kirkwood, Illinois. Eight goddamn children, Such strong Catholic family. 71 00:05:49.680 --> 00:05:55.000 Yeah are My mom was like tels enough to be fair. I was a 72 00:05:55.040 --> 00:06:00.839 demon child, so I was, yes, I was. I yeah, 73 00:06:00.439 --> 00:06:03.279 I'm fully sure on the sill reason she was like, yain, no, 74 00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:06.600 we're not having any much. But I feel like it's always the case. 75 00:06:06.639 --> 00:06:10.879 It's like the first child is always an angel, and then the second child 76 00:06:11.240 --> 00:06:18.560 is just megan. I put coal in the computer and in the VCR ME. 77 00:06:21.120 --> 00:06:26.279 Yeah, I put playing cards in the floppy disk part of the computer. 78 00:06:26.720 --> 00:06:31.519 You know what you are doing, an investigation. I was curious. 79 00:06:32.199 --> 00:06:36.079 There's nothing wrong with curiosity apart from when it breaks the family computer. I 80 00:06:36.199 --> 00:06:42.879 used to wash my dolls hairs in the toilet. Oh, I'd get a 81 00:06:42.879 --> 00:06:46.279 hold of the shampoo as well, Like they'd be shampoo in the toilet. 82 00:06:46.360 --> 00:06:53.600 Yeah, like my mother was like, and no more children, take my 83 00:06:54.160 --> 00:07:00.680 take my fallopian tubes away. His older six siblings were all consider older than 84 00:07:00.759 --> 00:07:04.680 him and his younger sister Carolyn. His mother, Mary was extremely religious and 85 00:07:04.839 --> 00:07:11.040 was a pioneer slash teetoler, which meant that she didn't drink. Benjamin the 86 00:07:11.120 --> 00:07:13.879 dad was a little more easy going, and he would have a drink here 87 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:17.759 in there. Yeah. He had been working as a stonemason in Monmouth when 88 00:07:17.800 --> 00:07:23.759 he died of a heart issue at only fifty eight years old. Geez Louise 89 00:07:24.360 --> 00:07:28.279 Richard was only six years old when this happened, and he was very close 90 00:07:28.319 --> 00:07:30.639 with his father. Actually both parents doated on all of the children, so 91 00:07:30.720 --> 00:07:35.839 this really affected him. About three years later, Mary met a man named 92 00:07:36.040 --> 00:07:43.480 Carl August Rudolph Lindbergh. Oh my god, what a fucking name. I 93 00:07:43.519 --> 00:07:48.120 struggled. That was a struggle. I'm sorry, I gen't when he thought 94 00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:56.000 like it was gonna end and then didn't know. I was like, oh 95 00:07:56.160 --> 00:08:01.959 my goodness, that's the name. And he was a traveling salesman from Texas 96 00:08:03.439 --> 00:08:05.879 and they met while she was on a train to Chicago. What a random 97 00:08:05.920 --> 00:08:11.879 place to meet a ma'am. I know isn't it like people these days have 98 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:15.079 to join Tinder and go through so many people. But now she found Carol 99 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:18.920 and she fell in love. She's just training her way to Chicago, and 100 00:08:18.040 --> 00:08:22.360 this Texan man is like, howdy, ma'am. Oh, you know what, 101 00:08:22.519 --> 00:08:28.920 I get it married. It would have followed for it too. Yeah. 102 00:08:28.959 --> 00:08:31.600 So they did get married very quickly, and I'm sure that did have 103 00:08:31.759 --> 00:08:35.799 something to do with the fact that Mary had eight children that she was trying 104 00:08:35.799 --> 00:08:39.120 to raise by herself. Yeah. I could see that there were a few 105 00:08:39.159 --> 00:08:41.399 of them that had married and moved out at this point, but like, 106 00:08:41.559 --> 00:08:45.840 there's a lot going on there and you can't do that by yourself. No. 107 00:08:46.120 --> 00:08:50.480 Fuck. Now, this didn't stabilize Richard and Carolyn at all. They 108 00:08:50.480 --> 00:08:54.320 stayed with their sister until they finished third grade, and then they joined their 109 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:58.240 mother and stepfather in Texas, where the home life was shit. Oh goodness, 110 00:08:58.679 --> 00:09:01.200 Yeah, it was really bad. They moved around Texas a lot, 111 00:09:01.240 --> 00:09:07.759 about ten times. Jesus m. Carol was a psychologically and physically abusive criminal 112 00:09:07.799 --> 00:09:11.240 with a rap sheet the length of Texas, and the two kids were subject 113 00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:15.919 to endless abuse. This is not funny, but it's funny Carol had a 114 00:09:15.960 --> 00:09:20.200 half leg after being in an accident, and he needed crutches to get around, 115 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:24.679 and sometimes when Carol would beat him, Richard would fight back and tell 116 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:30.159 us step father that he would beat him up with his crouches. I'm sorry, 117 00:09:30.200 --> 00:09:33.559 that is iconic, all right, Richard, Okay. I just needed 118 00:09:33.559 --> 00:09:37.399 to put in there because I needed to note that Richard was threatening to beat 119 00:09:37.480 --> 00:09:41.360 up a grown man with his own crutches at a young age. At a 120 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:46.039 young He's like, beat me, I'll beat you back with your goddamn crutches. 121 00:09:46.600 --> 00:09:50.480 Richard's eighth grade teacher would describe him as quote, he was sort of 122 00:09:50.519 --> 00:09:54.360 sulky, but he didn't talk back. Evidently he had been taught at home 123 00:09:54.440 --> 00:09:58.120 not to talk back. He was a loner. He didn't have any friends 124 00:09:58.120 --> 00:10:01.320 in class. He seemed sort of it didn't seem as though he knew what 125 00:10:01.360 --> 00:10:05.559 was going on. I don't think that I ever saw him smile. I 126 00:10:05.639 --> 00:10:07.759 wasn't able to teach him anything. I don't think anybody could get through to 127 00:10:07.840 --> 00:10:11.840 him. He seemed to be in a fog and that he is sad when 128 00:10:11.879 --> 00:10:15.440 you think about it. Child and an abusive home. They can't take full 129 00:10:15.480 --> 00:10:20.799 advantage of school because there's so much going on at home that they're too distracted 130 00:10:20.840 --> 00:10:26.480 about what's going on in their home personal lives that they're not soaking anything up 131 00:10:26.559 --> 00:10:31.720 in school and they can't make friends either, because I'm sure he was absolutely 132 00:10:31.840 --> 00:10:35.120 terrified that if any of his friends ever found out what was going on at 133 00:10:35.120 --> 00:10:37.919 home, and then as well as that, it's like I can't have my 134 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:41.240 friends around to the house, or you know, like, am I going 135 00:10:41.320 --> 00:10:46.559 to get in trouble if I asked to go stay with a friend or exactly. 136 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:50.159 Richard didn't speak in class either, and refused to wear his glasses that 137 00:10:50.200 --> 00:10:52.799 he needed to wear, and I think maybe for fear of being bullied when 138 00:10:52.799 --> 00:10:56.639 he was already a bit of a loner. That's sad. He was also 139 00:10:56.679 --> 00:11:00.840 suffering quite badly with acne too, so thin were not going well. For 140 00:11:00.960 --> 00:11:03.240 god. Yeah, no, he's not having a good, good thing. 141 00:11:03.399 --> 00:11:05.919 And it didn't help either. When he was only thirteen, he was actually 142 00:11:07.000 --> 00:11:11.440 arrested for the first time for trespassing m He had started drinking at twelve, 143 00:11:11.519 --> 00:11:15.519 and by the age of fifteen he was as much of a hard drinker as 144 00:11:15.519 --> 00:11:18.799 his stepfather was. Oh my god, that's no life. But at the 145 00:11:18.840 --> 00:11:24.919 same time, it's like he's dealing with a lot of like grown up issues 146 00:11:26.360 --> 00:11:28.080 at quite a young age. So to him, he's like, no, 147 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:33.000 I need the drink. Yeah, it's escapism. Really, he left school 148 00:11:33.039 --> 00:11:37.159 at sixteen, and now he would spend his time quote bragging, drinking, 149 00:11:37.519 --> 00:11:43.000 lying, and whoring. Oh my goodness, not the whoring, not the 150 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:48.240 horn. The book that I read for this states that he was treated for 151 00:11:48.279 --> 00:11:52.919 goneria five times and syphilis twice. Jesus Christ, Richard, Yeah, we're 152 00:11:52.919 --> 00:11:56.960 not here to shame anyone, Okay. An STD's very easy to get. 153 00:11:56.000 --> 00:12:01.240 You can sleep with one person get an STD. But five times you're syphilis 154 00:12:01.279 --> 00:12:05.639 twice. That's a lot of gnaria, Richard, it's a lot of I 155 00:12:05.679 --> 00:12:11.840 feel like it might be too much gonaria. Like I feel like one time 156 00:12:11.919 --> 00:12:18.159 one STD is you know, too many STDs. Book easily is like easily 157 00:12:18.200 --> 00:12:26.320 happened. Two STDs is like maybe five STDs is like five times. The 158 00:12:26.320 --> 00:12:30.759 fifth time of gnarihea, It's like, no, Richard, you're not even 159 00:12:30.840 --> 00:12:33.320 trying anymore. Are you going back to the same person? What's happening? 160 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:39.559 How many? Why are you getting gonaria so much? He walks into the 161 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:41.320 doctor's office and they're like, ah, we don't even need to check. 162 00:12:41.559 --> 00:12:50.639 He walks in and they're Likenaria and he's like, again, we're not here 163 00:12:50.679 --> 00:12:54.519 to shame anybody. SuDS happen just a part of st Yeah, it's that's 164 00:12:54.559 --> 00:12:58.720 just it's a lot, That's all I'm saying. Not like I'm not I'm 165 00:12:58.759 --> 00:13:05.759 just like five times, it's just what like what any hoodles. When he 166 00:13:05.799 --> 00:13:09.559 was around nineteen, he got a job working at a bottling factory for seven 167 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:13.840 up and it was around this time that he met fifteen year old Shirley and 168 00:13:15.200 --> 00:13:20.120 Malone Richard. That's not okay. They met at a Texas state fair, 169 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:22.759 and after only a few weeks of dating, she got pregnant. Oh no, 170 00:13:24.120 --> 00:13:28.759 Richard, that's double not okay. They had a bit of a shotgun 171 00:13:28.840 --> 00:13:33.320 wedding, but Richard continues continued his shenanigans, and while his daughter was being 172 00:13:33.360 --> 00:13:37.120 born, he could not attend because he was in jail serving twenty two days 173 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:41.480 for a bear fight. Oh Richard, now I know you've had a shitty 174 00:13:41.559 --> 00:13:46.639 upbringing, but now's your time. Now's your time to get it together and 175 00:13:46.679 --> 00:13:52.840 be like I'm not gonna let my child go through anything traumatic. And you're 176 00:13:52.879 --> 00:13:58.480 in jail for a bear fight at nineteen by the way, as well twenty. 177 00:13:58.600 --> 00:14:01.600 You're not even legally supposed to be drinking. Why are you getting in 178 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:05.399 bare frights? And I don't this, I don't think this was his first 179 00:14:05.399 --> 00:14:07.600 time in jail at all. Like he was a he was a return caller, 180 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:26.440 just like the gonorrhea. Anyway, he's tryna break world records. Sorry, 181 00:14:28.120 --> 00:14:43.200 and we'll compose ourselves, I promise, Hey, whine the wine making 182 00:14:43.240 --> 00:14:52.360 megan joke if you just almost killed me, I apologize. How are you 183 00:14:52.399 --> 00:14:56.639 guys? And we're gonna have to cut like half of that egg because it's 184 00:14:56.639 --> 00:15:11.759 just was laughing like cooking Motley. It was this time when he was in 185 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:16.480 jail that he got a few shitty tattoos. On his left calf was a 186 00:15:16.519 --> 00:15:22.679 tattoo of a bird with wings that also had an erect penis oh for its 187 00:15:22.720 --> 00:15:28.120 head. And then he also got born to raise Hell on his forearm and 188 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:37.480 surely on his shoulder. No, Robert, that's embarrassing. Richard. Oh 189 00:15:37.639 --> 00:15:41.279 Richard. Wait, he's called him Richard and he has born to did you 190 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:48.480 this cup dick head on the bird? Did he call himself is he saying 191 00:15:48.519 --> 00:15:56.960 that tattoo is He's probably saying he's free like a bird, but he's like 192 00:15:58.080 --> 00:16:03.840 nickaated dick Dick. Yeah, that's also but also born to raise. Your 193 00:16:03.879 --> 00:16:11.039 name is Richard, and you're gonna get born to raise hell And that's like 194 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:18.320 what's like the female version of Richard? Like Richard's a posh name? I 195 00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:22.679 don't know, like Mary. Imagine Mary getting like born to whole one or 196 00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:32.000 like what your name's Mary? Margaret? Margaret? Literally like, hello, 197 00:16:32.080 --> 00:16:37.759 my name is Margaret. I'm born to who? You know what? I 198 00:16:37.759 --> 00:16:40.600 always think every time we use the word whore on this podcast, I'm like, 199 00:16:40.639 --> 00:16:44.159 are we going to get canceled like param where I got canceled? No, 200 00:16:44.519 --> 00:16:48.159 because we don't have enough of a following to be canceled. Praise Jesus 201 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:51.519 for that. What's going to happen if we ever do get a following, 202 00:16:51.559 --> 00:16:52.799 I'm not gonna have to rein it in. I don't know if I can. 203 00:16:53.879 --> 00:16:59.120 All right. He had just gotten Shirley tattooed on his shoulder, too, 204 00:16:59.440 --> 00:17:03.440 but at this point him and Shirley were already separated parably due to say 205 00:17:03.440 --> 00:17:07.200 that he treated her during her pregnancy. She broke up with you, and 206 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:10.119 you were like, I'm gonna get her tattooed on me. But this is 207 00:17:10.119 --> 00:17:14.319 the thing. He's an extremely jealous and paranoid man, and he would often 208 00:17:14.359 --> 00:17:18.559 accuse her of cheating, but then to return the favor, he would like 209 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:22.000 drive and park in front of her house in his convertible and like kiss and 210 00:17:22.119 --> 00:17:26.480 touch other women in the car in front of her house, try and make 211 00:17:26.519 --> 00:17:30.559 him jealous. First of all, this per girl is like fifteen, sixteen 212 00:17:30.680 --> 00:17:33.880 years of age, Like, what are you doing, Richard, go back 213 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:38.440 to prison, just honestly, just you know. They they have the room 214 00:17:38.440 --> 00:17:41.559 waiting, They have one set aside has your name on the door. And 215 00:17:41.640 --> 00:17:48.359 this happened at least six times. At least he would also threaten Shirley with 216 00:17:48.400 --> 00:17:51.720 a knife and look for sex six to seven times a day, and he 217 00:17:51.759 --> 00:17:56.240 would rape her if she refused. Six to seven times a day. Richard, 218 00:17:57.319 --> 00:18:03.119 that's not humanly possible, Like I'm sure it is, but I'm sure 219 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:10.640 it is. But like at the sack fucking now, Richard, Jesus Richard, 220 00:18:10.839 --> 00:18:15.839 he's happened a little a little viagra. He had to have been popping 221 00:18:15.920 --> 00:18:21.559 fucking something six six times a day at that point, he's just coming powder. 222 00:18:22.319 --> 00:18:27.279 Honestly, he's a horrible, disgusting man. So Richard had even attacked 223 00:18:27.279 --> 00:18:33.240 and threatened Shirley's mother a couple of times. No, that's definitely not okay. 224 00:18:33.759 --> 00:18:36.279 And it was really weird because he once brought a picture of her in 225 00:18:36.279 --> 00:18:40.519 a swimsuit to the local bar and then gave her number out to the guys 226 00:18:40.559 --> 00:18:41.799 that are like, oh, yeah, she's pretty hot, and then she 227 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:48.680 got multiple calls from men looking for dates. That would be terrifying, wouldn't 228 00:18:48.680 --> 00:18:52.720 it, Like that's like somebody sending your nudes around? Basically, yeah, 229 00:18:52.759 --> 00:18:56.920 basically she reported him to the police after he threatened her with a knife, 230 00:18:56.119 --> 00:19:00.839 but no arrest was ever made. Richard was when known to the police, 231 00:19:00.880 --> 00:19:03.039 though, obviously, and right here, I'm just gonna take a very quick 232 00:19:03.039 --> 00:19:11.759 ad break. So welcome back from the break, you guys. We refilled 233 00:19:11.759 --> 00:19:15.960 our refreshments. We are back back with a bang, bitch. Before Richard 234 00:19:17.039 --> 00:19:21.720 was twenty four, he had been arrested forty one times. What the fuck, 235 00:19:21.839 --> 00:19:26.480 Richard, what he'd stop it? That's no, that has to be 236 00:19:26.519 --> 00:19:30.839 a world record. At that point. I'm sure the police were just styling 237 00:19:30.279 --> 00:19:34.599 you know the stairs sixty nine the recall button. Yeah, he's back in 238 00:19:34.680 --> 00:19:38.839 again. Mary. In nineteen sixty three, he had been sentenced to three 239 00:19:38.960 --> 00:19:44.400 years for robbing a store and stealing his co workers paycheck, but he was 240 00:19:44.440 --> 00:19:48.880 paroled for good behavior after only sixteen months. No, because he's clearly not 241 00:19:49.680 --> 00:19:55.359 on good behavior, because he's forty one times has been arrested. It seems 242 00:19:55.400 --> 00:19:57.160 to be that he can be on good behavior when he really wants to be. 243 00:19:57.319 --> 00:20:02.079 It's really weird. But it didn't really translate into the real world because 244 00:20:02.160 --> 00:20:06.000 after less than a week he was arrested for attacking a woman in a car 245 00:20:06.039 --> 00:20:10.880 park with a seventeen inch carving knife. Oh, sweet mother of Divine Jesus. 246 00:20:11.359 --> 00:20:14.240 When she screamed, a guy came out and was like what is going 247 00:20:14.480 --> 00:20:18.400 one? And she ran and like that gave her enough time to make an 248 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:22.200 escape and Richard was picked up after a few minutes and they found then I've 249 00:20:22.240 --> 00:20:26.799 dumped in a bush like he ran and the police were very close already, 250 00:20:27.240 --> 00:20:30.359 but they caught him like right away. He was sent back to prison then 251 00:20:30.440 --> 00:20:37.359 for a violating violating, violating his parole, violating his parole, getting him 252 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:41.079 six months and beat the attack, giving him sixteen months, so two separate 253 00:20:41.119 --> 00:20:45.200 charges. Yeah, but I guarantee he'd like only served like six months of 254 00:20:45.279 --> 00:20:52.400 that. The two sentences were to run concurrently to each other, but due 255 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:59.279 to basically a filing error, he was released after only six months. Ah, 256 00:21:00.039 --> 00:21:03.359 there we go. And the parole officer had this to say, quote, 257 00:21:03.720 --> 00:21:07.720 when Spec is drinking, he will fight or threaten anybody as long as 258 00:21:07.759 --> 00:21:11.880 he has a knife or a gun. When he's sober or unarmed, he 259 00:21:11.920 --> 00:21:15.279 couldn't face down a mouse. That's all well and good. Tell that to 260 00:21:15.319 --> 00:21:21.200 the girlfriend. Yeah, poor, surely. But basically the parole officer was 261 00:21:21.240 --> 00:21:23.720 saying, SPEC's a big old pussy. He's a big old fucking loser. 262 00:21:25.039 --> 00:21:29.519 It's only when he's drinking that he's fucking Johnny big balls. Yeah, we 263 00:21:29.599 --> 00:21:33.240 all know those people. That's like from your man Paul last week, the 264 00:21:33.279 --> 00:21:38.400 Merda murders with the big hands, the jazz hands. I'm getting angry. 265 00:21:41.079 --> 00:21:45.160 In case you guys don't know, Paul Murdo used to spread his fingers out 266 00:21:45.160 --> 00:21:51.880 wide when he would get drunken angry, very terrifying. It's like when you 267 00:21:51.960 --> 00:21:55.359 need a bear and you raise your arms up to make yourself seem bigger. 268 00:21:56.559 --> 00:21:59.319 After his release, he went to work as a trucker for a meat company. 269 00:21:59.640 --> 00:22:03.559 He got into six accidents in the truck, but then he was only 270 00:22:03.599 --> 00:22:07.799 fired for just not showing off one day. Six accidents. If I make 271 00:22:07.880 --> 00:22:11.440 one singular, small, tiny, eighty bay little mistake at work, I'm 272 00:22:11.480 --> 00:22:15.279 like, oh, crucify me, just let fire me. I'm no good, 273 00:22:15.680 --> 00:22:21.759 I'm no good. But six truck accidents, Richard, Richard, why 274 00:22:21.799 --> 00:22:26.119 are you going to try break every god damn fucking Guinness World record there is? 275 00:22:26.799 --> 00:22:32.079 You know what if he was just born to raise hell? Richard, 276 00:22:32.720 --> 00:22:36.880 stay in your lane. Just stay in fucking prison. Oh my god, 277 00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:41.119 that's what I mean. That's his lane. Why are you? Why are 278 00:22:41.119 --> 00:22:47.559 you getting arrested forty one times? Getting gunnery at five? Six truck accidents? 279 00:22:47.559 --> 00:22:52.680 Syphilist twice, that's Richard? Are you okay? One divorce? Oh 280 00:22:52.759 --> 00:22:57.680 before he's hit fucking thirty. Nancy Simms was a twenty nine year old single 281 00:22:57.759 --> 00:23:02.640 mother of Tree. She was an ex wrestler turned bear woman at Jinny's, 282 00:23:02.799 --> 00:23:07.119 a bear that Richard frequented, but she was actually struggling to find a babysitter 283 00:23:07.240 --> 00:23:12.359 and Richard's mother Mary basically asked her, like asked Nancy, if Richard could 284 00:23:12.440 --> 00:23:18.119 move in and in return he would provide babysitting services. Oh no, Nancy, 285 00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:23.359 you do not want Richard babysitting your kids. First of all, he 286 00:23:23.400 --> 00:23:27.279 has a kid of his own that he doesn't even see. I mean just 287 00:23:27.599 --> 00:23:33.079 I would not want him around my children. He's a criminal, a convicted 288 00:23:33.160 --> 00:23:36.759 criminal. I wouldn't even want him around me, never mind my job. 289 00:23:37.000 --> 00:23:41.880 Like that's a whole other like not. I don't even don't even look at 290 00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:45.279 me, Richard. Now. She eventually kicked him out for having a fight 291 00:23:45.319 --> 00:23:49.119 with her ex husband, and she did notice that Richards drank a lot and 292 00:23:49.160 --> 00:23:53.039 done awful things to people when he was drunk, But he was always sorry 293 00:23:53.119 --> 00:24:00.759 when he sobered up. Way sorry, well, good job. Was he 294 00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:03.599 sorry to Shirley when he raped her, when he would feel up other women 295 00:24:03.680 --> 00:24:07.559 in front of her? Was he sorry? I don't think he was. 296 00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:10.440 Was he sorry when he tried to attack her with a knife? Her mother, 297 00:24:10.640 --> 00:24:15.279 that's her mother, Jesus Christ. Richard. I felt sorry for you 298 00:24:15.359 --> 00:24:19.759 in the beginning. Then I called you Robert, and no, I don't 299 00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:25.200 like you at all, morbid. I always say that like it's okay, 300 00:24:25.400 --> 00:24:27.400 not that it's okay, but like you can feel sorry for the kid. 301 00:24:27.960 --> 00:24:32.759 You don't have to feel sorry for the adults because when you're an adult, 302 00:24:32.799 --> 00:24:36.680 you can decide you have free will. But as a kid, when you're 303 00:24:36.720 --> 00:24:40.279 in this situation, you don't have free like enough free will to be able 304 00:24:40.279 --> 00:24:42.079 to go and do whatever you want. I feel like though, like Richard, 305 00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:48.119 just like you know, sad story, sad story, out of control. 306 00:24:48.200 --> 00:24:52.480 He was like, I'm going to be the baddest bitch there is, 307 00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:56.119 and he took that literal. I'm going to get a tattoo of a bird 308 00:24:56.160 --> 00:25:02.839 with a dickhead because I I'm a dickhead. Not long after this, Richard 309 00:25:02.920 --> 00:25:07.200 was in Jinny's when he attacked another patron, stabbing him with the switchblade that 310 00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:11.799 Richard always carried on him. Because casual fine, he was only given a 311 00:25:11.920 --> 00:25:18.200 ten dollars fine after Mammy got him a lawyer. He stabbed somebody Mary and 312 00:25:18.279 --> 00:25:23.039 wait till you hear this. He refused to pay the ten dollars fine, 313 00:25:23.400 --> 00:25:30.119 so he Richard three whole, three whole days in jail instead. Richard, 314 00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:34.079 it's ten fucking dollars, you scabby ass bitch, you basically could have paid 315 00:25:34.160 --> 00:25:38.920 ten dollars to stab somebody. Yeah, essentially. In March of nineteen sixty 316 00:25:38.960 --> 00:25:44.160 six, he bought a nineteen fifty four Plymouth and used it to sell cigarettes 317 00:25:44.200 --> 00:25:48.799 out of after burglarizing a grocery store to steal the cigarettes. I mean at 318 00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:52.319 least didn't stab anybody. Yeah, I mean it's a non violent crime. 319 00:25:52.839 --> 00:25:56.920 Our expectations are on the floor there. It was a non violent crime. 320 00:25:56.079 --> 00:26:00.480 No, they're not even on the floor. They're in the circle right there. 321 00:26:00.759 --> 00:26:04.160 He was ann violent crime, you know. Good on him. Yeah, 322 00:26:04.400 --> 00:26:10.400 Oh, he's improving. He left the carrot there like where he was 323 00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:12.920 selling the cigarettes from, and the police were easily able to track him down 324 00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:17.640 after they checked the carrot and saw that he had bought it. They tracked 325 00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:21.720 the carrot to his sister's house, but he wasn't there with this and arrest 326 00:26:21.759 --> 00:26:23.880 warrant was out for him, and he realized that it was about time to 327 00:26:23.880 --> 00:26:30.359 skip town to avoid prison. As much as he enjoyed bragging about his time 328 00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:32.680 on the inside, you know, he's one of those guys like you always 329 00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:41.200 spent six months. I spent the guy got three days. Yeah, my 330 00:26:41.319 --> 00:26:45.359 arm says, so he left Texas for Chicago when his sister brought him down 331 00:26:45.400 --> 00:26:48.839 to the train station. He moved from place to place, staying with friends 332 00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:52.759 and family, taking up odd jobs that he could never keep. He made 333 00:26:52.759 --> 00:26:56.440 his way back to his original home of Monmouth, where he continued his criminal 334 00:26:56.440 --> 00:27:00.799 activity. On April second, Richard broke into the home of sixty five year 335 00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:04.440 old Virgil Harris. She had returned home from a babysitting job to see that 336 00:27:04.519 --> 00:27:07.960 her home had been ransacked and a six foot one figure standing in the dark 337 00:27:08.079 --> 00:27:12.480 in her room. He forced her to strip before raping her, cutting up 338 00:27:12.519 --> 00:27:18.000 her dressing gown to bind her with it before leaving. She managed to get 339 00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:22.319 to a neighbor's house, and she did thankfully survive, and interestingly, she 340 00:27:22.519 --> 00:27:26.519 was checked over by the same doctor in Monmouth that had aided Richard's mother in 341 00:27:26.599 --> 00:27:30.839 his birth. Jesus Christ, it's a small ten, I believe. On 342 00:27:30.920 --> 00:27:34.759 April ninth, nineteen sixty six, a thirty two year old bear maid named 343 00:27:34.839 --> 00:27:40.200 Mary Kay Pierce went missing after finishing her late shift at the bear She was 344 00:27:40.279 --> 00:27:45.279 found dead in an abandoned little like building slash structure kind of thing. I 345 00:27:45.279 --> 00:27:48.240 think it was used to hold like pigs in. She had been hit in 346 00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:52.119 the stomach, which ruptured her liver. Speck was questioned regarding her murder. 347 00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:56.119 Richard faked being sick the first time, so the police told him that they 348 00:27:56.119 --> 00:28:00.400 would interview him again another time. When that day came and the police were 349 00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:04.119 looking for him in the hotel that he'd been staying in, they were told 350 00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:11.519 that he had left earlier in the day. That's not suspicious exactly. It's 351 00:28:11.559 --> 00:28:15.960 not confirmed that he killed Mary Kay. It is while widely believed, Oh 352 00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:19.200 God, yeah, like, why would you not go for the police interview 353 00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:23.440 if you were innocent. He moved in with his sister Martha in Chicago at 354 00:28:23.440 --> 00:28:29.920 this point and her husband and two teenage daughters. He very quickly overstayed his 355 00:28:30.039 --> 00:28:33.519 welcome. Richard wasn't working, and he was sleeping on their couch. And 356 00:28:33.799 --> 00:28:38.400 from what I know, I believe they were in like an apartment that was 357 00:28:38.440 --> 00:28:44.000 already pretty cramped with the two daughters and the husband and the wife. To 358 00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:47.279 have somebody else staying there and sleeping on the couch, it's not a comfortable 359 00:28:47.319 --> 00:28:49.720 situation. It was noted, though, that he was very clean. He 360 00:28:49.759 --> 00:28:53.079 would have multiple showers a day, He would change his shirt multiple times a 361 00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:56.799 day. When you look at Richard as an adult to his skin is completely 362 00:28:57.160 --> 00:29:00.640 pock marked. And like I said, he did have acne when he was 363 00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:07.359 younger, and knowing somebody that had really bad acne, like cystic acne when 364 00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:12.440 they were younger, they told me that being in the shower it makes you 365 00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:18.319 feel clean, like to have multiple showers a day because you feel clean, 366 00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:21.319 and also because nobody can actually see you when you're in the shower. There's 367 00:29:21.319 --> 00:29:25.079 nobody staring, there's nobody looking at you, so it is a kind of 368 00:29:25.119 --> 00:29:27.039 safe space. And I don't know if maybe that's why he was taking multiple 369 00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:30.920 showers a day, or if it's just because he was bored. I don't 370 00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:33.079 know who. It got to the point where on the twelfth of July, 371 00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:38.680 Martha and her husband drove Richards to the National Maritime Union Hall to seek employment 372 00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:42.119 on one of the boats, as he did actually have some experience as a 373 00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:49.319 seaman see me. However, the job he was called in for was actually 374 00:29:49.400 --> 00:29:53.799 given to another man with more kind of seniority on it, and you know, 375 00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:59.480 he didn't have great records so exactly, so like we really don't know 376 00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:03.079 if we want to but you're in a confine space with other people, Richards, 377 00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:07.000 Are you gonna stab anybody? Hey, tell me the truth. Don't 378 00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:11.480 be shy. We're not gonna get angry. Maybe, Okay, you know 379 00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:14.240 what, Richard, I'm just disappointed. I'm not angry. I'm disappointed. 380 00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:18.680 I'm disappointed his brother in law gave him some money and sent him on his 381 00:30:18.759 --> 00:30:21.559 way. And I do just want to say here, like, let it 382 00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:26.480 be known that the nursing dorms were very close to the ENEMU. I went 383 00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:32.119 on Google Maps, so where the National Maritime Union Hall was is no longer 384 00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:36.839 there, but from what I could kind of gather, it literally was just 385 00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:40.640 around the corner, Like I mean, it was on a block. You 386 00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:45.960 turn the corner and then nurse's storms were right there. Okay, if you 387 00:30:47.000 --> 00:30:48.759 were probably in the backyard and of the nurse's dorms, you could probably look 388 00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:55.799 over into the back the Union Hall from what I understand, I don't know 389 00:30:55.880 --> 00:31:00.400 Chicago, but from Google Maps is what I could gather. At night, 390 00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:04.640 Richard approached fifty three year old mother of ten Lama Hooper. That night. 391 00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:10.519 She was carrying a gun that she had recently. She had recently purchased it. 392 00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:15.160 That night, she was carrying a gun that she had recently purchased with 393 00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:18.839 her spec came up behind her after following her for a while, and stuck 394 00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:22.559 a knife to her back. He forced her back to his room that he 395 00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:26.759 was staying in and he raped her. He did let her go, and 396 00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:30.160 he ordered her to meet him later on at a bar so he could give 397 00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:34.720 her some money. It was a very strange, very very strange interaction, 398 00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:41.359 and obviously he did raper yeah, but he kind of led on like it 399 00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:45.160 wasn't a rape to himself and to her, like I'm going to give you 400 00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:48.920 money. It was a real case of no, like you're a sex worker, 401 00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:51.920 Like I'm going to pay you for this, Like he decided that she 402 00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:55.880 was a sex work. Yeah. When she left, she checked her bag 403 00:31:56.400 --> 00:32:00.880 and she realized that her twenty two caliber pistol was gone. Oh not only 404 00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:06.079 did you rape the woman, but you robbed her classy, And he'd done 405 00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:07.519 it in a very sly way as well. From the book that I read. 406 00:32:07.559 --> 00:32:09.759 He picked up her bag to give it to her to be like, 407 00:32:09.799 --> 00:32:15.240 I'll meet you at the bar later, but obviously had the route through and 408 00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:17.640 got the gun so earlier. In the day while he was at the Union 409 00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:21.920 Hall, he had seen a girl in a yellow dress walking into a building 410 00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:25.400 close by. He was mesmerized by her and he couldn't stop watching her. 411 00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:29.599 Like he saw the yellow dress and he was like, Okay, I'm going 412 00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:34.920 to remember that girl. H Now very drunk and agitated, he found his 413 00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:39.440 way to that building that he saw that woman walk into. He broke into 414 00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:45.160 twenty three nineteen East one hundredth Street through a back window and found his way 415 00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:50.400 to one of the bedrooms upstairs. Corazon Amarro twenty three opened the door to 416 00:32:50.519 --> 00:32:53.759 a gun in her face. Merlita Gargulo, who was sleeping in the same 417 00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:58.000 room also twenty three, had gotten out of bed to see who was at 418 00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:02.400 the door. Valentina Passion, also twenty three, was in the room too. 419 00:33:04.279 --> 00:33:07.359 The three girls were from the Philippines, and we're in the US on 420 00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:10.640 a student visa to learn more about nursing. The thing about these three girls 421 00:33:10.839 --> 00:33:15.680 is that they were all really homesick, but they became really good friends because 422 00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:21.680 they were able to share that homesickness together. Oh, they obviously shared the 423 00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:25.039 same interests in food and things that were you know, back from the Philippines. 424 00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:29.920 Yeah, you know, like I think that when you leave a country, 425 00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:34.480 and speaking from experience, when you meet somebody that is from your country, 426 00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:37.720 you're like, Oh, thank God, you're gonna understand my humor. 427 00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:40.680 You're gonna understand what I'm talking about. You can understand my talk really fast. 428 00:33:42.200 --> 00:33:45.880 Yeah, Like we're going to bond over like things that we're homesick over, 429 00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:50.359 things that we miss, things that we don't miss. You're gonna get 430 00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:53.559 like my kind of humor. And because every country is so different that like 431 00:33:54.319 --> 00:34:00.000 m Richard moved all three of the girls into another bedroom where three more girls 432 00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:07.199 were sweeping soundly. Biggest disappointment. There are many women unfortunately involved in this 433 00:34:07.280 --> 00:34:14.400 night. Patricia Mattusek, Pamela Wilkining, both twenty and Nina Joe Schmail, 434 00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:20.440 twenty four. We're all awakened by the disturbance. Richard forced them all to 435 00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:23.320 sit in a semicircle on the ground while he sat in front of them. 436 00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:28.079 The three Filipino girls hid in the closet, but came out when the other 437 00:34:28.119 --> 00:34:31.239 girls knocked and said that this man was not dangerous because Richard had told the 438 00:34:31.239 --> 00:34:35.840 girls that he only wanted money to get to New Orleans. So he sat 439 00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:37.000 there and he's like, Oh, I'm not gonna hurt you. I just 440 00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:40.360 need your money. I just want to rob you. It was very much 441 00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:44.760 like what BTK used to do. Yeah, Like it's a real case of 442 00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:47.559 like no, like if you just cooperate and give me your money, like 443 00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:52.480 I will leave you, and like you can just forget this ever happened. 444 00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:53.840 You can move on. I can move on. I can go down to 445 00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:59.360 New Orleans, like we'll be fine. While they sat around in this semi 446 00:34:59.440 --> 00:35:04.960 circle, Gloria Davies came home from a night out with her boyfriend. As 447 00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:07.760 she walked in, she screamed when she saw what was happening. At this 448 00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:13.440 point, Richard freaked out and he ripped up some bedsheets and tied the girls 449 00:35:13.519 --> 00:35:16.239 up using strips of them, which we can remember he'd done that to the 450 00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:20.960 lady where he had broken in and ran slept at home, he ripped up 451 00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:24.719 her addressing gown. Yeah. He first took Pamela Wilkining out of the room 452 00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:30.599 and into another bedroom where he was intent on raping her. Just as he 453 00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:35.119 went to do this, nurses Suzanne Faris and Mary Anne Jordan walked in. 454 00:35:36.559 --> 00:35:39.199 Mary Anne was there to stay the night with Suzanne to talk wedding plans, 455 00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:45.800 as Suzanne was getting married to mary Anne's brother Phil, so she didn't even 456 00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:51.239 live there. That's yeah. They had spent the evening like chatting with friends, 457 00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:54.719 basically the girls that lived in the dorm next door to the dorm, 458 00:35:54.719 --> 00:35:58.840 and Richard was in. They spent the evening there. They like, they 459 00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:01.360 had chatted, they'd gone I think it was burging that day. They were 460 00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:08.199 having a great day friend and then they come home to this horrible They screamed 461 00:36:08.199 --> 00:36:13.400 as they saw Richard hunched over Pamela. He jumped at the two girls and 462 00:36:13.480 --> 00:36:17.760 moved them into another bedroom. He stabbed Susanne eighteen times in the back and 463 00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:22.079 chest, and then used in nurse's sock to strangle her, before moving on 464 00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:25.519 to mary Anne, where he hit her in the eye with the knife and 465 00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:30.639 then stabbed her three times in the chest. Then he went back to Pamela, 466 00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:32.960 where he stabbed her in the heart. He went into the bathroom to 467 00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:37.400 clean himself off so that when he went back into the original bedroom none of 468 00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:40.920 the girls would see the blood on him. Next, he took Ninishmail. 469 00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:47.159 She suffered stab wounds and a broken neck. Oh my god. At this 470 00:36:47.239 --> 00:36:52.880 point, the remaining girls had heard a bit of a like a bit of 471 00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:55.800 a commotion. Yeah, exactly. There wasn't like a lot of noise because 472 00:36:55.880 --> 00:37:00.880 he was strangling them. He was making sure that the other women couldn't hear 473 00:37:00.920 --> 00:37:05.880 what was going on because he wanted them to continue to believe that they were 474 00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:08.880 safe. Yeah. At this point, the remaining girls scrambled to find a 475 00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:14.280 hiding spot in the room. Corazon, who from now on I'm going to 476 00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:20.360 call Cora, managed to squeeze herself under a bunk bed. He came for 477 00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:24.440 Valentina. Next, after Valentina was Marita. He dragged Mariita out of the 478 00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:29.280 room, and Cora heard her yell. After about half an hour, Speck 479 00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:34.920 came back for Patricia Matusik. He knelt beside here, asking are you the 480 00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:37.639 girl in the yellow dress? Like I said earlier, he had noticed a 481 00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:42.719 girl in the yellow dress and became fixated on her. She was brought to 482 00:37:42.760 --> 00:37:45.920 the bathroom, where Cora heard him tell her to lie down. Patricia was 483 00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:51.119 kicked in the stomach. Spec came back and woke up Gloria, who was 484 00:37:51.159 --> 00:37:53.159 sleeping on one of the beds. Now, Gloria had come home from a 485 00:37:53.239 --> 00:37:57.880 date with her boyfriend. Remember, she walked in as everybody was in the 486 00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:01.440 semi circustoms show was quite drunk, and nobody knew what was happening to the 487 00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:04.880 girls. Once they left the room, they didn't know if they were being 488 00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:08.800 moved to another room. They they believed he wasn't hurting anybody because every time 489 00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:14.079 he hurt somebody, he would go to the bathroom and he would clean himself 490 00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:19.480 again. Like I say, the girls weren't really hearing much, so they 491 00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:23.159 didn't really know what was happening. She woke up and she said, I 492 00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:28.880 dreamed my mother died. Cora looked up from underneath the bed to see that 493 00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:31.920 Speck was raping her. Cora put her head down and prayed until she could 494 00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:37.800 hear no more movement. When she looked up, Gloria and spec were gone, 495 00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:40.320 and she took this chance to move her hiding spot so that she would 496 00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:45.360 be better concealed. So basically, she was under one bunk bed, but 497 00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:51.480 her head was kind of like half fit her head under, but she managed 498 00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:54.599 to kind of crawl her way to another bunk bed that was on the other 499 00:38:54.599 --> 00:39:00.400 side of the room. This took her a very long time because she didn't 500 00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:02.559 want to make any noise whatso she was trying to do it as quietly as 501 00:39:02.599 --> 00:39:08.679 possible. Luckily for her, it worked. When Spec walked back into the 502 00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:13.559 room, he checked a purse for some money, threw it on the ground, 503 00:39:13.800 --> 00:39:16.079 and walked back out of the homes front door, leaving it wide open. 504 00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:21.440 He threw the knife into the Calumet River before heading back to the shipyard 505 00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:25.079 Inn, where he fell asleep peacefully. Yeah. I just want to point 506 00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:31.440 out that multiple times there were opportunities, well, I don't want to say 507 00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:37.199 opportunities, there were chances where somebody may have walked in on all of this 508 00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:44.239 happening. The girl's next door that the other girls had been with before they 509 00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:49.199 came home, they had ordered a pizza, and originally the pizza delivery man 510 00:39:49.320 --> 00:39:52.400 actually walked up to the house that Richard was in and he was about to 511 00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:57.159 ring the bell till he realized that it was the wrong house. Oh my 512 00:39:57.239 --> 00:40:00.880 god. Like, there were a few different instances where something like that had 513 00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:07.360 happened throughout the Yeah, never got to the point where anybody entered. So 514 00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:10.719 unfortunate, I mean, is it unfortunate or fortunate because like, would he 515 00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:15.880 have just taken more lives. Judy Dickton woke up around five am and heard 516 00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:21.039 an animal whimpering. She went about her morning business, she had gotten up 517 00:40:21.039 --> 00:40:24.559 early to study, when she heard the sound again. She opened her blinds 518 00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:30.840 to see Cora crouched on a window ledge on the top floor, saying, 519 00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:35.559 Oh my god, they're all dead. She ran over and into the home, 520 00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:38.400 where she saw Gloria Davy face down on the sofa with a strip of 521 00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:44.320 cloth around her neck and her hands tied behind her. Judy quickly ran to 522 00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:47.840 grab the house mother so like the person that was in control of all of 523 00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:55.000 the nurse's dorms, and the police were called. Police were absolutely horrified by 524 00:40:55.039 --> 00:41:00.039 the scene, many of them vomiting after being in the house. Like originally, 525 00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:04.000 one police officer went in and he came out and he vomited, and 526 00:41:04.039 --> 00:41:06.760 the police were kind of like the people that he called for backup were like, 527 00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:10.480 oh, can't be that bad. But every single one of them vomited 528 00:41:10.719 --> 00:41:15.719 after they came out of the house. It was a blood bath. I'dn't 529 00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:22.599 imagine. Eight women had been brutally murdered, one lone survivor Cora Amiro could 530 00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:27.039 hopefully provide the answers they needed, and we're just going to take a quick 531 00:41:27.079 --> 00:41:35.760 ad break right here, and we are back the final stretch. Cora provided 532 00:41:35.800 --> 00:41:38.079 a description and they managed to get a sketch made up. Got to bless 533 00:41:38.119 --> 00:41:40.719 her. They brought her straight to the hospital and she was able to get 534 00:41:40.760 --> 00:41:45.800 it. Imagine you've been through all of that and you're still able to and 535 00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:50.920 keep in mind, like her English is good, but it's not like it's 536 00:41:50.920 --> 00:41:54.840 not her first few native English speakers. She's able to get a sketched one. 537 00:41:54.960 --> 00:42:01.199 She just her strength is incredible. God, absolutely, Like she was 538 00:42:01.280 --> 00:42:06.280 so worked up that they had to give her a shot to calm her down 539 00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:10.159 because they had They were like, we need to preserve her sanity. Yeah, 540 00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:15.840 the neighborhood was canvassed and detectives got to work. One of the detectives 541 00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:19.239 had a thought, well, if this guy was in the neighborhood, then 542 00:42:19.280 --> 00:42:22.280 he probably went to like the local businesses. So he went to a gas 543 00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:28.320 station where a worker at the gas station remembered a man who his boss had 544 00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:31.320 said, Okay, this guy came in and left his bags here a couple 545 00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:35.159 of days ago, because he said he was going to be doing some stuff, 546 00:42:35.159 --> 00:42:39.519 so he left his bags here and like Cory's description, this man was 547 00:42:39.559 --> 00:42:44.000 tall, blonde, and he had a Southern accent. While all of this 548 00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:47.119 is going on, Spec himself and went to a bar where he learned the 549 00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:51.440 news that there was a survivor. But he just continued to drink with a 550 00:42:51.480 --> 00:42:54.119 friend, like just chilling, and I think he said something along the lines 551 00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:57.639 of that guy is an animal? Whoever done that? Like he was like, 552 00:42:57.639 --> 00:43:00.880 oh my god, horrible? But what was his name? Edgeane? 553 00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:04.440 He used to hang out with the police officers and be like, God, 554 00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:07.480 that person sucks. Whoever done that? Wow, I'm so sorry you guys 555 00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:09.519 are having to find this guy. This sucks, you know, like what 556 00:43:09.800 --> 00:43:15.079 is wrong with these people? The police went to the National Maritime Union Hall 557 00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:19.199 and gave their description to a man working there who he remembered a man like 558 00:43:19.239 --> 00:43:23.039 that and provided them with the name Richard Spec. Which it's so they got 559 00:43:23.159 --> 00:43:28.480 very lucky and that somebody was there that remembered him. They were very lucky 560 00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:31.679 like that people did because like I won't lie, like I serve so many 561 00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:36.360 people in a day that like if the police were to come into me and 562 00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:39.440 be like, did you serve this man? I like, I couldn't tell 563 00:43:39.519 --> 00:43:43.239 you. Yeah, I don't know. I can't remember what accent he had, 564 00:43:43.320 --> 00:43:46.719 Jesus, Yeah, like I barely remember what they bought, never mind, 565 00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:51.360 like they ordered food off me and I'm straight away like what was that? 566 00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:54.400 Police got a last known number for spec, which was his sister's house. 567 00:43:55.599 --> 00:44:01.159 She directed the police towards the shipyard in called there and Richards. Richard 568 00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:05.920 was called to the phone. They told him that they had a job for 569 00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:08.360 him, Den at the hall to go out on the Great Sinclair. He 570 00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:12.920 said he would be Den in about an hour. However, he never showed 571 00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:17.079 up. Richard knew that the Great Sinclair was the boat that had already set 572 00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:21.639 sail, because it was the boat that they had originally told him when he 573 00:44:21.679 --> 00:44:24.639 first got there. Okay, but the job was given to the other person 574 00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:29.199 at Moreau. So I was going to say, that's the clever idea to 575 00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:32.920 not tell him that it's the police looking for him. But then they've gone 576 00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:36.840 and Une fucked up and told him the name of the book that already set 577 00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:40.719 sail. Yep, they done goofed. They done goofed. The police sat 578 00:44:40.760 --> 00:44:45.599 and waited for Richard while he packed his bags and called a cab. While 579 00:44:45.639 --> 00:44:47.960 he waited for the cab, he calmly played the back of the bar. 580 00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:53.880 I'm sorry, but would you not place some undercover police outside the hotel? 581 00:44:54.960 --> 00:44:59.639 Just in case he tried to flee? No, I guess not. No, 582 00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:04.880 there was okay, just me that thought about that. Richard got a 583 00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:07.719 cab to the north of Chicago, to the projects, and I say that 584 00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:13.239 with inverted comments. I don't know if that's like politically correct. I don't 585 00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:16.400 fucking know. And he found himself a hotel there. The FBI at this 586 00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:21.840 point had been called to see if they had any fingerprints of Richard spec I 587 00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:24.199 mean to be fare he killed eight people, damn sure, they're calling them 588 00:45:24.320 --> 00:45:30.039 FBI of course, due to his massive amount of criminal history. They did, 589 00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:37.719 and an FBI agent personally flew them out to Chicago, so he wanted 590 00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:39.360 to make sure they got there. I think there was a striker. There 591 00:45:39.400 --> 00:45:45.280 was delays and flights or something, so he personally flew the fingerprints out. 592 00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:47.599 And it's mad to think like that. They don't just have a computer system 593 00:45:47.599 --> 00:45:51.760 at this point, like this is what the nineteen seventies. I think to 594 00:45:51.840 --> 00:45:53.920 mention the victims, like every single one of them wanted to be a nurse. 595 00:45:53.960 --> 00:45:58.440 Every single Filipino woman that was there was sending money home to support their 596 00:45:58.480 --> 00:46:04.599 families. If they weren't. Everything American woman that was there had written statements, 597 00:46:05.320 --> 00:46:08.440 well, a couple of the American women that were there had written statements 598 00:46:08.480 --> 00:46:12.239 about how they wanted to be a nurse because they didn't like to see people 599 00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:16.440 suffering and they like to look after people. Like these were good women that 600 00:46:16.599 --> 00:46:22.400 just got snuffed out for absolutely no reason. You know, they were getting 601 00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:25.119 married, They had their own lives and cuts really really deep, and you 602 00:46:25.519 --> 00:46:30.559 remember, like this podcast and everything that we consume, these are real people. 603 00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:36.920 Oh yeah. Spec left the hotel that he was originally staying at after 604 00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:39.480 he found some drinking buddies that evening, and he went to stay at the 605 00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:44.639 same hotel that they were staying at. Not long after he left his first 606 00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:47.599 hotel, the police came in looking for him because even the taxi driver was 607 00:46:47.679 --> 00:46:50.800 like, why do you want to come out here? Like he didn't give 608 00:46:50.840 --> 00:46:52.960 the taxi driver an exact location. He's like, just drive me out to, 609 00:46:53.039 --> 00:46:57.920 like where where all these people hang out. The guys hang out. 610 00:46:58.239 --> 00:47:01.599 He spent the night with his drinking buddies talking about getting out of Chicago and 611 00:47:01.639 --> 00:47:06.559 train hopping. So basically they had spoken about like they had done some train 612 00:47:06.639 --> 00:47:08.880 hopping in the past, and he was like, yeah, let's do it. 613 00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:13.159 Let's let's get out of here and just some train hopping. You guys, 614 00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:17.079 come on. But even they weren't too sure on him. They knew 615 00:47:17.079 --> 00:47:22.320 that there was something fucking here about Respec. And these these are not guys 616 00:47:22.360 --> 00:47:25.480 that are, like, you know, upstanding members of society. But even 617 00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:31.880 they were like, mmmmmmm, something's not right here. So SPEC's prints were 618 00:47:31.880 --> 00:47:36.159 confirmed to be a match on the prince found at the crime scene, and 619 00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:39.280 a rest warrant was made and an app was put out for him. It 620 00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:44.119 didn't take long for his picture to be splashed on all of the newspapers with 621 00:47:44.159 --> 00:47:52.559 accurate physical descript with accurate physical descriptions following, including all of his tattoos, 622 00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:57.840 which as we know, are very very unique. He went into a news 623 00:47:57.920 --> 00:48:00.880 agents one day and he saw his own photos on the papers. He knew 624 00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:05.920 what he had to do. Next. He bought a bottle of wine and 625 00:48:05.960 --> 00:48:08.800 brought it back to his hotel. Now this is more of a motel where 626 00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:14.239 there's like the rooms are separated by curtains. He drank the bottle, broke 627 00:48:14.320 --> 00:48:19.239 it and used the broken shards of glass to slice his wrists open. You 628 00:48:20.320 --> 00:48:24.679 little for all of the bragging that you did for being in jail before. 629 00:48:24.760 --> 00:48:29.519 What you can't take the heat? Now? What's the matter there, Richard? 630 00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:35.079 You're afraid nobody's going like you because you murdered eight innocent women like you 631 00:48:35.119 --> 00:48:38.840 don't do well in prison, do they do they? Darling? Interesting? 632 00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:44.320 He was found by one of his drinking friends from the night before, who 633 00:48:44.360 --> 00:48:49.199 at this point knew what he had done. This guy anonymously called the police, 634 00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:53.400 but they never came. So this guy found Richard fucking bleeding out and 635 00:48:53.559 --> 00:48:59.199 was like, police, Hello, I just found this fucking guy that killed 636 00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:04.840 those eight nurse is he's like tried to commit suicide? Can y'all come up 637 00:49:04.840 --> 00:49:08.039 here? And they're like eh, even though they were aware that he was 638 00:49:08.079 --> 00:49:12.639 in the area. Richard was taken to Cook Kenny Hospital, where he was 639 00:49:12.679 --> 00:49:16.000 being treated for his injuries. As his doctor was wiping the blood from his 640 00:49:16.159 --> 00:49:22.280 arm, he noticed Richard's born to raise Hell tattoo. He grabbed the back 641 00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:27.239 of Richard's neck and squeezed hard. What's your name, he asked. Richard 642 00:49:27.239 --> 00:49:31.079 told him his name and asked for water. Did you give the nurses any 643 00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:35.760 water? Was the doctor's reply. Now, the doctor said that this was 644 00:49:35.840 --> 00:49:37.760 more of kind of a murmur, like did you give the nurses any water? 645 00:49:38.360 --> 00:49:40.840 But I like to believe that he said it out let, and Richard 646 00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:45.000 was like, fuck, you know, yeah, it's fun to think that. 647 00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:47.880 Yeah, I want to think of it in a superhero in a way, 648 00:49:47.920 --> 00:49:52.119 you know. The doctor called in an officer that was already on the 649 00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:58.440 hall, and that officer then called everybody else this is incredible. So Cora 650 00:49:58.599 --> 00:50:06.840 was given her opportunity to identify Spec. She got dressed in her nurse's uniform, 651 00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:09.679 and she went into SPEC's room, pretending to be on unds with the 652 00:50:09.719 --> 00:50:20.400 other nurses. I can incredible. Can you imagine how shit bricking you would 653 00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:23.519 be doing? I just I can't imagine. She lasted three and a half 654 00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:30.239 minutes before she left the room and emotionally confirmed to officers that this was the 655 00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:34.400 man who had sought at her friends who had intruded into her home, had 656 00:50:34.480 --> 00:50:39.599 told them that no, you'll be safe. She watched him rape her colleague 657 00:50:39.639 --> 00:50:46.559 and her friend, and she heard him murder her friends. She had to 658 00:50:46.719 --> 00:50:52.000 hide, and then she had to go into his room and be his nurse 659 00:50:52.119 --> 00:50:57.480 for three minutes and so pretend to like be like, do you need anything? 660 00:50:57.519 --> 00:51:00.320 Can I get you anything, just so that she could IDENTI to fire 661 00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:07.079 him like that takes, honest, absolutely incredible. He was found competent to 662 00:51:07.159 --> 00:51:10.039 stand trial, thankfully, but he was fun. I believe to be a 663 00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:15.039 sociopath. Oh, you'd have to be to behave like that of course. 664 00:51:16.039 --> 00:51:21.320 Now his trial was moved out of Chicago to Prioria, three hours outside of 665 00:51:21.400 --> 00:51:24.480 Chicago, and it took six weeks to select a jury alone. They had 666 00:51:24.519 --> 00:51:28.960 to take him out because everybody knew about the crimes. So he has to 667 00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:32.000 be given a fair trial. I which is like, oh, he did 668 00:51:32.039 --> 00:51:37.199 it, But at the same time, I get it, I get it, 669 00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:42.079 But he is entitled to a fair trial. Spec was given the death 670 00:51:42.119 --> 00:51:46.679 sentence, which was sent commuted to life in prison after capital punishment was abolished 671 00:51:47.159 --> 00:51:50.840 in that state. No, not state, it's just in that state. 672 00:51:52.159 --> 00:51:55.320 He died of a heart attack in nineteen ninety five, and his body so 673 00:51:55.760 --> 00:52:00.559 I found a little bit of different information. So I wrote that his body 674 00:52:00.639 --> 00:52:05.519 was not claimed by any family, that it was cremated. Yeah, I 675 00:52:05.559 --> 00:52:10.360 didn't hear also that his sister actually did claim his remains, and because she 676 00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:15.440 was afraid that somebody would desecrate a grave, she did get him cremated and 677 00:52:15.800 --> 00:52:19.880 spread his ashes somewhere. That it's not he was their brother, do you 678 00:52:19.920 --> 00:52:22.679 know, Like I mean, yeah, you grow up with that person, 679 00:52:22.119 --> 00:52:28.840 you don't expect them to do something. So yeah, and I'm sure it's 680 00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:37.199 hard to separate like all those memories you have with like what he'd done, 681 00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:39.159 because you'd almost be like, no, because that's not my brother, Like 682 00:52:39.199 --> 00:52:44.239 my brother wouldn't do that. Yeah, Like okay, yeah, maybe he 683 00:52:44.360 --> 00:52:49.039 stole some cigarettes, he stole the paycheck, He don't the odd random thing 684 00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:52.800 that's like you'd be like, yeah, he's done some things that aren't great, 685 00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:55.840 but like murder eight women, Like no, like that's in one night. 686 00:52:57.119 --> 00:53:01.960 I always feel sorry for like the I always feel sorry for the killer's 687 00:53:02.239 --> 00:53:07.559 family. They are victims too, because they are in a way they are 688 00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:14.320 because like they're not only is their name tarnished, but also how do you 689 00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:21.199 mourn someone that's done something so horrible? You're looking back you're always always always 690 00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:24.199 going to look back with rose colored glasses. You're also going to be like, 691 00:53:24.480 --> 00:53:28.400 is there anything I could have done to stop them? Or is there 692 00:53:28.400 --> 00:53:31.880 anything I could have done to make him a different person? Or do you 693 00:53:31.920 --> 00:53:36.559 know, like that's You're going to have so many questions running through your head. 694 00:53:36.800 --> 00:53:39.760 And we're saying this as fortunately people who have never had to experience this 695 00:53:39.880 --> 00:53:45.639 kind of situation, very fortunately. But I don't know. We can only 696 00:53:45.679 --> 00:53:49.840 imagine that these are the kind of questions that you would ask yourself, Yeah, 697 00:53:49.840 --> 00:53:52.760 well this is it. No. In nineteen ninety six, so a 698 00:53:52.840 --> 00:53:59.159 year after he died, a video was shared to a news outlet showing Richard 699 00:53:59.599 --> 00:54:05.840 shortly now with breasts. He was seen doing drugs and having sex with another 700 00:54:05.880 --> 00:54:09.079 inmate. When asked about the murders, he didn't seem to have any regret 701 00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:14.119 at all. He said, quote, if they only knew how much fun 702 00:54:14.159 --> 00:54:20.039 I was having, they'd turn me loose. So he had illegally gotten some 703 00:54:20.079 --> 00:54:24.480 sort of hormonal drugs into the prison so that he would grow breasts, so 704 00:54:24.519 --> 00:54:30.519 it would make it easier for other inmates to see him as more of a 705 00:54:30.519 --> 00:54:36.519 sex object. I suppose because he decided and this is what is believed, 706 00:54:36.639 --> 00:54:42.760 that it's easier if I turned myself into a sex object rather than be raped 707 00:54:42.800 --> 00:54:49.800 and abused by other inmates. Yeah. Yeah, like he got titties, 708 00:54:50.920 --> 00:54:55.000 Richard. I know, like you murdered people and that's not normal. And 709 00:54:55.960 --> 00:55:00.320 you know you've done some other things that I said weren't nor well. And 710 00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:05.119 every time I think that you can't get any weirder, you get yourself some 711 00:55:05.199 --> 00:55:09.559 titties. Yeah, okay. And at one point when he was being interviewed 712 00:55:09.599 --> 00:55:13.000 in prison, they're like, so what would you do if you got out? 713 00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:15.559 He was like, I'd open my own grocery store chain. That's what 714 00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:25.840 I would do. Richard, you are the definition of Dululu. Got myself 715 00:55:25.880 --> 00:55:32.480 some new tits. I would open up a grocery store chain. Okay, 716 00:55:32.840 --> 00:55:40.079 you're okay, okay, okay, alright, you do you on? You 717 00:55:40.199 --> 00:55:45.719 do you? So? That is Richard spec I honestly thought this was going 718 00:55:45.800 --> 00:55:50.440 to be a longer episode because I spent so fucking long researching this asshole. 719 00:55:51.039 --> 00:55:55.559 My heart goes out to those nurses because all they wanted to do was help 720 00:55:55.719 --> 00:56:00.199 people, every single one of them. They wanted to help families, they 721 00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:07.039 wanted to help the people that were sick. They just had no badness within 722 00:56:07.079 --> 00:56:12.000 them at all. Even when an intruder enters their home and says I'm going 723 00:56:12.039 --> 00:56:15.800 to rob you, they're like, he's not dangerous, you guys, it's 724 00:56:15.840 --> 00:56:22.920 fine. Yeah, that's yeah, yeah, not okay, Robert, you're 725 00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:29.079 not okay. I'm surprised we didn't call him dick throughout this whole episode. 726 00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:34.920 Nope, but for some reason I came up with Robert. Yeah, my 727 00:56:34.960 --> 00:56:40.960 brain is okay, I promise. Yeah. So that was this week's episode. 728 00:56:42.280 --> 00:56:46.400 We really hope you enjoyed it. Find it informational. I most certainly 729 00:56:46.440 --> 00:56:51.000 did. So. If you liked this episode and you haven't already done so, 730 00:56:51.159 --> 00:56:54.039 make sure check outs over other stuff. Like last week we talked about 731 00:56:54.039 --> 00:57:00.719 the Murdoch family and just every single controversy that they could ever find themselves in. 732 00:57:01.519 --> 00:57:08.840 Upcoming cases are exciting. I got a nice I got a nice eighteen 733 00:57:09.039 --> 00:57:15.760 hundreds case for us. 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