I was listening to the story about It was the story of a family in
Washington and the little boy called the big Foot the cowboy man, and he
had apparently it had made an effort to steal this kid. And it hit
me. My children were in that play. Him behind me, Well,
nothing but a mosquito net over them. It could have crept up behind me
and taken both of my children and I wouldn't know. His father just got
like a mustang or something. Whyoming Okay, he had it out in the
corral because he couldn't put it in the barn with the in the stalls,
with the other horses that would kick and made all the other ones is nervous
at a seminal Indian working the horse, trying to break it. Every day
they had it out in the carrawl. This skunk game snuck up behind his
horse and grabbed it bonnets, hind quarters. This particular horse kicks out,
jumps over the corral, runs into the pat you know, to get away.
At this point, the ranchers out there just blessed away with the thirty
thirty skunk gave blends into the swamp. I went up there one day after
that or two days after that, I went up there and sat in the
silence up there, and I'm telling you, man, it was free.
It was crazy, you know it was. There was a crazy vibe up
there. Still. I did what I could to kind of get things under
control. But I told her, I said, you didn't even get off
this problem. I feel like, no matter how strong you are, it's
almost like standing in the ocean, you can't stand still without moving your feet.
You're gonna get knocked over eventually. No matter how strong whatever, you
can't withstand a barrage of a weird spiritual energy. Hey, what's up,
everybody, it's Wayne. Welcome back to your paranormal odyssey, guys. I
thought we would try something a little different on this episode. I was actually
the guest over on space Out Radio. I guess it's about a month ago
with Miss Jessica Jones, the Cryptid Huntress. I had her on this show
for a couple of episodes, and she invited me to come over to spaced
Out Radio and do an interview with her, and I had just a really,
really good time. Jessica is It's a great person. She does a
lot for the big book community, and she's always out in the field,
you know, putting in those hours and it was just really really fun getting
to sit down and talk to her. It was different getting to be the
person interview instead of the person asking the questions. So it's got it'd be
cool to bring that to you, guys. Hope that you enjoy it.
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a small sasquatch research organization based out of Southeast Tennessee. Manimal was formed
in twenty nineteen, and Wayne has led many field investigations in the years since
starting has uncovered some interesting evidence along the way. Okay also, Wayno was
approached in twenty twenty two to take over the hosting duties of the Paranormal Odyssey
podcast after hosting his own YouTube chan on the subject of big footsis twenty twenty.
He's well respected in the community and clearly displays a passion for the subject.
And I'm gonna get my act together here y'all and please help me.
Welcome to the show tonight, my buddy, Wayne. What's up? Wayne?
I think I'm doing you have been tonight? Yes, you know what.
I just did a podcast like right before the show and it completely I
think it like overheated my computer or something. I'm not sure what happened.
So yeah, I feel like I'm juggling a bunch of plates right now.
That's what I'm doing. But it's so good to have you here. Thank
you so very much. You're you're handling it well, Oh my god,
thank you, thank you. I'm just a bill hot mess. I'm just
glad that I made it on air tonight. That's all I'm worried about.
And so it doesn't matter if I'm sweating bullets. It's okay. We're gonna
get through this because we're having a good time. We always have a good
time here at Space Out Radio. Actually, and Wayne, I had a
really good time hanging out with you on your show. We just did a
two part series okay on over at Paranormal odyssey. So tell my audience a
little bit about your your podcast and uh and kind of let's let's talk about
how you got into big footing a little bit too, all right, Well,
which one you want to jump into first? Because I got into the
big footing first, so you'll start there. Absolutely, let's go with the
big footing first because you actually research some of the areas that I researched with
my team. Yeah, it was back in twenty nineteen. I've always had
a livelong interest in cryptids and mainly you know, big bootis king. You
know, he's the top dog went when you talk about cryptids, and always
had an interest in you know, when I was a kid, get to
go to the library once a week and check out a book or a couple
of books and keep those for a week, and then you come back and
you put them, you know, turn them in and get another book.
And I was always checking out anything on cryptids that I could find. Bigot
locking this monster at Troup of Carboro, you know, all that good stuff.
But like I said, big Boot was king, and back in two
thousand and nineteen, I was working a job about an hour from my house,
about fifty five minute drive there, and then a fifty five minute drive
back and my car went down, so I had to put it in the
shop, and I borrowed an extra pickup truck from my dad. So I'm
driving this no truck his truck back and forth to work. And the second
day I have his truck, the radio goes out. I'm like, what
the heck? Two hours a day driving with nothing to listen to. That's
when I discovered podcasts. So I started listening to a cryptid podcasts and I
loved it. I was just I was hooked. But I kept finding myself
wishing that everyone would shut up about everything else and just get back to Bigbot,
because that's all I was really interested in. And I thought there's no
way there's gonna be an entire podcast that had dedicated strictly to Bigfoot, and
lo and behold, I found one now side squats Chronicles, that's where I
think everybody gets their start in the big boot no podcasting realm. So I
found it and I started listening to it, binging the hell out of it
every chance I got. And I found out people were actually going out into
the woods and looking for this thing, and I had always thought they were
out west, you know, Oregon, Washington, California, and I started
listening. In one particular episode, this gentleman talked about having an encounter.
He lives in a small town about forty five minutes north of Chattanooga, Tennessee.
I live forty five minutes north of Chattanooga, Tennessee. And then what
he was talking about my town and he was talking about a place, a
recreation area that I go to and he had had an encounter in there.
I'm like, what in the hell. So I just started looking into it,
you know, to getting out in the woods and doing this stuff on
my own, and I found out a lot of people were doing it.
I looked into joining other groups, like I'm not going to mention them,
but y'all know, I know, yeah, and to uh looked in and
joining other groups, and I just saw so much negativity, Jessica. I
mean, it's like everyone puts everyone down. If you don't be a certain
way the same way that another person does, you're wrong, or you're a
liar, or you're a hoax or And I just didn't want any of that.
I didn't want anything to do with it. So minimal research was born.
I started getting out in the woods, and I really I put it.
To be honest, I put an ad on Craigslist to meet people that,
you know, we're interested in it. And I was blown away at
the response that I got. So many people were interested in this subject,
and I meant really really cool people. Yeah. Wow, So I got
my start into big button. That's amazing. You know what might actually was
like opposite of that, because I started doing bigfoot research before I even knew
there were podcasts about bigfoots and things like that. I mean, I didn't
really listen to podcasts back then because I started doing this back in twenty eleven,
so it's been a while. And that was before anybody had like a
big foot sticker on the back of their car, you know, like big
Bigfoot wasn't it wasn't like real popular like it is today. And that's why
I didn't go public for so long. I waited ten years to even go
public at all about my research and the stuff that we've been doing. And
so, yeah, what year was that when you first started doing your bigfoot
research twenty nineteen, twenty nineteen. Yeah, Well it was getting a little
more popular by then, I think because they had finding big Foot on TV
and shows like that. Yeah, and since I've been doing this, I
have since I wish I would have gotten started around the time you did,
or even before, because I mean, there's no telling what I have seen
if I would have dedicated more time to or any time to it at all
back then, and I had it twenty years or so, so that I've
been looking into this, there's no telling what I could have seen by now,
you know exactly, Well, I bet you've seen a lot of cool
stuff though, And and so you're not out there just looking for Bigfoot,
right, I mean you don't you kind of cover all the paranormal subjects or
is it mostly just Bigfoot? As far as my research and getting out in
the field, it's it's only big Foot. The show that I host,
Paranormal Odyssey. I talk to people that do everything, you know. I
talked to paranormal investigators, ghost hunters, several psychic mediums. I've talked to
alien people you have, I'm sorry, people are interested in UFOs, aliens
and stuff like that. Just anything weird I talk about over there on Paranormal
Odyssey. Yeah, it's like a mixed bag of everything. I'd love that
And what do you think about the paranormal like everything being connected. Do you
believe there's a can action between Bigfoot and dogman UFOs like ghost all that kind
of stuff. Is there some kind of weird connection there? You know what,
Jessica, when when I first started this, you could not convince me
that big Boot was anything other than a biological creature, blessing blood, just
a North American primate that we haven't caught up with yet. That's all it
was to me and anybody talking about seeing them get out of UFO or cloaking
or disappearing in the woods. I mean, I didn't want to hear any
of that. I mean, I respected your opinion and everything, but I
just I didn't believe it. I didn't want anything to do with it.
But since I've been talking to people since twenty nineteen, in really twenty twenty
when I started my show on YouTube, I mean I've really come full circle.
I believe. I mean, these people were seeing they're legit. I
mean, there are some some respected, you know, just well versed people
that are seeing things and it's becoming more accepted. And these people we're seeing,
I mean you listen to them, and they're truly, they're afraid.
You know, what they saw it really messed with them. So they saw
something. So I've come full circle. I really believe that there's so much
more to this topic than I don't know. So to answer your question,
that was really a long one to answer, but yeah, I think that
it's very possible that they all could be connected. Yeah, yeah, okay,
So can you understand why I didn't go public for ten years? I
guess because you know, when I did go public, I'm not gonna lie.
The first the first public appearance I made was kind of unannounced. Nobody
knew who I was. But then my name started getting out there a little
bit, and I started getting smear campaigns, you know, from like Bigfoot
hoax or groups and stuff like oh this girl, she's crazy, she's into
the woo, you know, and all that kind of stuff that I knew
it might it might have been an issue, but I didn't know that I
was going that there are people that are so dead set on, you know,
Bigfoot not being any kind of paranormal supernatural being, you know. So
so I took some bullets. I'm not gonna lie, I did, and
uh and so shout out to all my my boots on the ground field researchers
out there that that are putting information out there though, you know, and
and for even having an open mind wane right, I mean, what how
do you How important is it to have an open mind about all this?
I think if you don't have an open mind, you should stay at home
and definitely keep shut I mean you you just you should just shut up.
If you're not willing to hear other people out and just consider what they say
they've seen, then you you're doing a disjustice to the field. I believe
we're not going you know, I say it so many times on my show.
Shows like yours and like mine are the best research that we have because
we can get out you know, you know, you get out your boots
on the ground, on boots on the ground. We can get out and
do all that you know stuff, all that research, all the time,
all day long, and nine times out of ten we're not going to come
across anything. Anybody that says they find something every time they go out there
lying it's not possible. But when you and I interview these people that have
seen something, that is the best way that we have. That's the best
tool that we have to learn about these things until we have one in captivity
where we have a body or or however you feel about that. Nobody's got
one tied up in their basement, nobody. There's no other way to study
these things other than getting out in the field doing what we do, which
is limited, or listening to people that have witnessed them. No eye witnesses
encounters are the best tool that we have right now. In my opinion,
that's right, and I love them or leave them. You know, there's
certain big foot field research groups. You know, there's one in particular,
actually b fro O that you know my I don't necessarily I've never been a
part of that group before. I think they're a great organization, but I
know that from interviewing people and having some of the guys on my team being
a part of that. You know, they're not real big on adding like
UFOs to their field reports and things like that, you know, but it's
a it's a great place to start off if you're wanting to get in a
big footfield research right but they have great reports like they do take reports.
I think that's so important for the research is knowing where those reports are and
like getting an idea of like where are these and you can access all those
reports online on their website. Okay, and yes, it's so important,
right yeah, I mean you can think whatever you want about the BFR.
Oh, you know, we all have our opinions about them. They won't
accept anything I get woo, I guess, I mean who but they won't
accept anything like that. But and most field researchers and just by any of
that, I know, the first thing you do when you have a new
area that you want to go and look in, the first thing you do
is you go on the BFR when you pull up that county and you see
how many encounters they have they've had there. Yes, that's an awesome tool.
It really is that. I mean, that is a great thing that
they're doing for the community. I mean, love them or hate them,
they got it right, they do. I think it's so important. Now
as a researcher, have you ever reported any of your bigfoot sightings or any
kind of sighting that you've ever had to an organization? Because I haven't.
No, I mean it kind of defeats right. Yeah, you know I
keep them for myself. I know I do too, And so like I'm
always telling people it's important to make those reports, but see, I keep
it with my team. I guess so, I don't know's there's a double
standard when it comes to field researchers. I guess, right, yeah,
maybe we shouldn't be that one, but I know, right, well,
let's see when you yeah, I mean even with UFOs, like with a
move on, right, I've seen many u of those in my lifetime,
some up close and uh, and I have never reported a single one of
those to move on or anybody but my team most Jessica, have you ever
seen orbs? Did we talk about that when you were wrong? Yes,
Oh my gosh, Yes, I have seen many orbs, and I've seen
different types of orbs. Now what about you, Wayne, have you seen
orbs? I've never This is what I tell people. I might be able
to mark one of these off of my list, but there's just a few
things that I haven't experienced one going out there that are traditionally reported in bigfoot
sidings. You know you've got the smell. I've never smelled one. I've
never smelled that smell. I've never I've never seen orbs, but orbs is
fairly new. You know that that's a fairly new phenomenon or for me anyway.
Yeah, I've never noticed that. I've never seen an orb. And
the third thing which I think I can scratch off my list now is I've
never had anything thrown at me. But this past nothing. This past weekend.
I was at the Smoky Mountain Conference this past weekend, but the weekend
before that, I was on an expedition up in above Knoxville, Tennessee.
A family having some issues at their vacation home, so they allowed us to
go up in camp for a couple of days. Beautiful cabin out in just
the middle of nowhere. I wish they would have left us the key so
we could stay inside, but we haven't quite got to that point yet.
Oh yeah, we camped out on their property and we just had a crazy
weekend. There was so much stuff that go that went on. I shared
a video where we got some eyeshine, not saying it was big, but
eyeshine, but there was something that was looking at us. But getting back
to the rock throwing. These people, like I said, they had a
cabin, and like most cabins, they had a tin roof. If an
acorn or something falls on a roof that makes a very distinct sound. If
something hits the side of a house or a girl ours, or just a
board, that makes a completely different sound. Stay tuned for more paranormal Odyssey.
It was about yeah, it was about one or two o'clock in the
afternoon. We were just sitting around, you know, just bs and talking,
and a rock hit the side of the house with some velocity. I
mean it was moving and it hit the side of the house. I bring
up the ten roof thing because it wasn't anything balling it, because that made
a completely different sound. I got up and I threw some rocks up on
the roof just so we could hear the difference. And it was something something
got thrown against the house. I'm very confident in saying. But it only
happened at one time, That's what That's what really troubles me, because you
think that it was a big foot or something like that, and they were
trying to get our attention or trying to get us to leave. They would
have done it more than once. So that's what I can't really understand.
So those three things. The smell I've never experienced, the orbs, I
haven't experience and maybe I've experienced that something thrown at me. Oh my gosh,
I've had all that happened to me, Wayne, all of it,
and and well, no, it's just it's it's been such an experience,
right, I mean, I've been camping up at one of our most i'm
gonna say, the hottest spot, like a hots We have a lot of
hot spots that we do our research at, but we have this one in
particular right up in North Georgia, and h one night we had something came
into our base camp and screamed at us really loud, and then it proceeded
all night to throw acorns and rocks at our tents all night, and and
the thing was like we could hear the acorns falling from the trees from like
up to down. But then these things were going sho like you could hear
the velocity, like you could hear it like going sideways in hitting the side
of our tent all night. So, yeah, I know exactly what you're
talking about. I think we talked a little bit about that on my show,
about that inexperience that reminds me y'all stayed right, you stayed all night?
Yes, we always stay we're not. We ain't scared. Is that
the time that that you were talking about y'all got real sleepy? Yes,
we all went to bed. Yeah, well we all just well, okay,
so that happens a lot of times, right when we're out there and
we have a lot of activity going on, a lot of And I've had
other people tell me the same thing, who are out there doing boots on
the ground research. You have a lot of activity in the middle of the
night, you should normally stay up all night and keep watch right and do
some investigating. Well, we just kind of I just thought it was because
we've been doing this for so long, you know, like we're just we're
out there, and plus like we're all getting older, you know, we're
tired. Yeah, there's been ah, we would do this a long time,
and so when when the going gets tough, we just go to bed
sometimes, you know, if it's in the base camp. But I can
tell you, Wayne, not a single one of us fell asleep that whole
night. But we all went into our tents and you know, and I
know nobody went to sleep because nobody snored, okay, and uh, and
we were all getting pelted with rocks and acorns all night. But but yeah,
there's something that happens. It's almost That's why I feel like there's an
et element, like an extraterrestrial potentially extraterrestrial element. When we're having this big
Foot activity, we're having this like interdimensional activity going on out there. I
think that I feel like there's some kind of extraterrestrial element to it, and
it kind of like puts you to sleep or something. It's really odd or
at least makes you want to go leave down. Yeah, well, what
do you think about infrasound? Do you think that could I think that's part
of it. Yeah, I think that could totally be part of it.
So ill since you you've touched on that, I've touched on it a few
times. I'm talking on my show. It it seems like every time when
I go out, when I'm laying down at night and I'm asleep, something
wakes me. And not every time, but a lot of times when I
go out, something wakes me from a dead sleep, and I know that
there's something out there. I know that something woke me up, but I
and that's the reason I'm there. I'm there to have the experience to gather
information and evidence, but I cannot make myself get out of bed and go.
Look. It's like I fall back asleep. And normally, if you
feel like something's walking around or someone's walking around in your camp while you're trying
to sleep, you're not gonna go back to sleep. You're gonna be on
high alert. Right, Yeah, you think that's not how it works.
So why isn't it if it was a prowler, if it was a person,
do you think maybe we'd have a different we'd feel differently, we would
be more alert. I don't want. Oh yeah, absolutely, I think
so for sure. I mean, and it's not just one of us,
it's like all of us. And I remember that one night, every single
one of us did sit and I remember we laid in our cots, in
our beds and our tents whatever, in us leaping bags. We were all
just listening, and we knew that we were all away because nobody was snoring.
And then about halfway through the night, the head of my team whispers,
he goes, remember we do this for fun. You know. It's
like we're all just sitting there, just like getting pelted with rocks and acorns.
It was almost like we were all an alert, waiting to We were
waiting to go on the defensive if we had to, okay, because we
didn't know what was out there. But we well, see, here's the
thing. Like it's almost like we wanted the experience of it, and we
knew that if we went outside of our tents, it was gonna stop.
Okay, does that make sense too? So yeah, so if we had
emerged from our tents, it would have gone away probably. So maybe we
were just waiting for it to walk into our camp, you know, that
kind of a thing, because it was there. It was in our camp,
it was just behind ours. Hints. Yeah, you're telling that story
has stuck with me about something running into your camp and screaming. That was
that same night. That was what it was. I would poop myself,
I really would. I would poop myself. Yeah, you would. It's
not that scary. I mean it was. It was. It was startling,
But like once you're out in the woods and you're doing that field research
all the time, I mean, you start having these experiences and and it's
more exciting than anything. Really, it's not it's not really scary once you're
innoculated to it and it happens a lot it because we're it's just an adventure,
okay, but it's also an adventure that keeps you tired the next day
and you'll have like circles under your eyes and stuff because you didn't sleep all
night. But but that's why we're out there, and uh, and I'm
out there to get the experience just like you are. I want to I
want to see for myself what's really out there. Yeah. Now I've had
one what I believe to be one siding, and I got a thermal picture
of it. I didn't think I should have sent it to you so that
we could share it. I've shared it everywhere. If anybody's familiar with my
show, they've seen it. But I'll send it to you when we get
done. You can put it up. But yes, it happened on Pigeon
Mountain. You know, you and I talked about a Pigeon Mountain. It's
in Lafayette, Georgia and North Georgia. And what got me thinking about this
was talking about, you know, the being tired and not being able to
get up and and all that stuff. What led us to go back to
that same spot was a couple of weeks prior this was in January of twenty
twenty twenty one. I believe January of twenty twenty one. Me and the
vice president of my research organization, Animal Research, mister Derek Walls, I
call them Walls. We were up there, I'm Pigeon Mountain as our first
time ever being there. We went up and we didn't really neither of us
are hunters. We didn't realize that it was the last weekend of deer season
in North Georgia. So whenever the last weekend of deer season was, that's
when we were there. So it was in January, cold as hell is
bitterly cold. So we get there. I check in. This is off
subject, but I'll share it, okay. I check in with the ranger
when we first get there, and I go in. I meet this young
man. He's in his early to mid twenties, very polite, personable,
Yes, sir, no, sir, shook my hand. Great kid,
just a really good kid. So I felt comfortable. He put me at
ease. I felt comfortable saying, well, we're a pair going to be
looking for into bigfoot reports. There have been reports on this mountain. Have
you heard anything or seen anything, Jessica, I swear to God. He
looks me in the eye and he tells me Bigfoot. No, but we've
had the over reports of gnomes, gnomes, gnomes, the little people.
Huh, the little people? Yeah, no way, I've been hearing reports
that it was more often myself. Really. Yeah, absolutely, the little
people in your area. No, not in Georgia, No, North Carolina.
My friend David Pardu actually has a video of some little people. Yeah.
They We considered them to probably be aliens though in that video that he
has, but we're not sure so. But yeah, I've been in Alaska.
This was Georgia. We're gonna have to talk about this some more.
This is interesting, Yeah, it was. It was on Pigeon Mountain.
He told me that one of the people that reported seeing them was like a
twenty plus year veteran, a ranger that worked there, and he told me
a story and I don't remember work for work. They talked about they were
doing some construction work there, some earthwork at doze or of stuff, moving
stuff around, and one of the workers saw one and reported it and like
report it to a ranger, and he said that the ranger made a phone
call to someone and twenty minutes later they completely shut the side down, told
everybody that they had to leave. I don't know, Yeah, I don't
know how much truth there is to that. I can't don't know if there's
any way to validate it, but it might be cool to look into.
I can believe that. Okay, I've heard that before too, that like
when there's a dog man sighting, right, a big foot or whatever,
if you tell like a park ranger there's a number that they have to they
call, like they're they're told to call this phone number, and then like
the I don't want to see like federal agents, but like somebody shows up
and uh, and so maybe maybe that's why inherently, like I know,
like not to report my big foot sightings and I and we're seeing there's important
to report these sightings and things like that. But like let's just say national
parks for instance, right, national parks. Okay, we have all these
people that are going missing right now? Is Pigeon Mountain International Park? Do
you know is that a state park or national park? It's a WMA,
a Wildlife Management Area. I don't know that it's connected to any park though,
Well, so that's federal land management then, right, Okay, so
that's covered by the government. Yeah, so this little So when we're out
there in like the deep woods, we're getting these reports, we're experiencing it
for ourselves. You know, maybe it's not the best idea to report them
because they're they're getting these phone calls to come in, and they're they're telling
the rangers to call them or whatever to come in and either eradicate them.
I mean, what do you think they're doing, eradicating them or Yeah,
you know, that's that's touchy, Jessica. I mean, we don't want
to tell people not to report it to like government officials, but there again,
do we trust government officials when it comes to stuff like this. We
absolutely want people to report them to organizations like ours so that we can go
out and look into it. We I mean, I know you guys do
too. I've spent so much money on the equipment and my organization. The
people in my organization we pay dues, We pay monthly dues and it all
goes into a pot and we buy at that pace for our expeditions and equipment
and stuff like that. But I've spent a lot of money on my own
on the stuff too, So reporting it to organizations like ours. We have
the equipment and we make the time to go out there and look into it.
But I just I don't know. I don't know if we should,
if I should feel, if I feel right telling people not to report it
to government officials. I guess, make your own mind up. I don't
know. Yeah, just go with your gut, y'all. Go with your
gut, and that's all we can do. Yeah, I start talking about
the gnomes and it got me off subject. But we were there Pigeon Mountain
check in with the We head up there and we're thinking, last weekend of
deer season, we're not going to get anything. So we were bummed out.
And to add to it, later that night, after it got dark,
something happened. There was some kind of medical emergency. I believe a
hiker or a hunter maybe got lost, because some trucks, some ranger trucks
and an ambulance came flying down these dirt roads. Later that night and we're
out doing this walk. It's like ten eleven o'clock at night. It's very
dark outside. We're doing this walk, and we keep hearing this helicopter come
flying around the area, and I swear to god, this thing starts hovering
over us, and we're like, what the hell is this helicopter doing.
He's just hovering above us, watching us, and we think that what happens
was we think that they had like the thermal or the infrared imaging, and
they were just checking us out because they were looking for somebody. We think
somebody either got lost or was hurt or something and they were looking for him.
But with all that stuff going on, we were pretty we accepted that
nothing was going to happen. There weren't going to be any big but out
tonight. There's just too much going on. So we packed it up early
and we were we were old, like you said, out of shape,
tired, We ate our burgers. I'm not calling my team all of y'all.
I'm not. We've just been doing this a long time, that's all.
Yeah. Now, we got bed, got four and everything, and
got tired, and we went to bed about one o'clock at night. We
usually stay up way later, but we went to bed, and before I
did, I set my voice recorder on our table and I covered it up
with some chips. You know, the small little bags of chips your mom
used to putting your lunch box when you were a kid, like the individual
party size packs. We bought a bunch of those, and I sat it
on top of the recorder and we went to bed. And the tent was
about ten or fifteen feet away from that table, and you can hear us
talking inside the tent, you know a lot of people do. And you
talk until you fall asleep. Twenty twenty five minutes later, you don't hear
talking anymore. You hear snoring. So we'll sleep, And I swear to
God, now I didn't. We didn't know what's happened until a week or
so later when I was reviewing the audio. About twenty twenty five minutes after
we went to sleep, we start hearing this something like something stepping walking into
our camp, and then the chips being played with, like rustled. And
then after the chips were being rustled, do you hear and then like small
feet running away? And didn't you hear that again, like something bigger walking
away. Oh, we didn't see it. No, it's only speculation.
But from what you hear in your mind, one you picture mama big Foot
walking into camp, getting some chips, had it, handing it to baby
big Foot, dropping them in Baby big Foot running away and Mama Bigfoot walking
behind him. Did that happen? But we got it on audio, and
that's what led us to go back a couple of weeks later when we had
where we got the thermal hit of something that was eight foot tall with something
smaller in front of it, running around playing in front of it. Wow,
that's fascinating. Wow that all happened right in your backyard. Oh listen,
I believe it. I we have more big foot activity in the North
Georgia Mountains than we have anywhere. And my teams we researched all over the
South, Okay, and I've even been to Tennessee. By the way,
I know you're up in Tennessee. I just recently did a field investigation of
a couple's home. They have four hundred and eighty eight acres up in north
the center of Tennessee. Like North up it's called Whitley Bill, Okay,
so in the middle of nowhere with caves and all that. And they have
big foot activity up there. And I know there's a lot of big foot
activity, dog man activity, but North Georgia Mountains, I gotta tell you,
they got the most big foots. And speaking of big foots, we
got big foot Michigan Rob in the chat. Thank you for that superstick or
Rob. Y'all go subscribe to his channel. Please, Hello b tomorrow Man,
thank you for being here. Yeah, and they've got big foots up
in Michigan too, by the way, So they're everywhere, but of the
North Georgia Mountains are where it's at if you want to have a big foot
sighting. That's my opinion. I'm not gonna get my locations away, but
yes, they're up there. Well, I need you to give me a
couple I'll meet you up there sometime. Listen, we don't live that far
from each other, so we'll be meeting up and doing a trip sometime.
I'm gonna hold you that. I've talked to a couple of members of my
members, one in particular, mister Kevin, if you're watching, buddy,
He commented said that we needed to get out in the woods with you because
you're a ball of energy, and uh, we'd have fun out there.
You get out and showing us some new spots. Well shoot, yeah,
well there's there's plenty of them out there. Yeah, But the North Georgia
Mountains are so just thick with vegetation and places for these things to hide.
And Okay, my question to you is do you think that bigfoots could have
supernatural powers? And I know you said earlier than you do that you got
to keep open mind. But where do they go when they're sleeping? Do
you think that they are interdimensional beings or do you think they're just going into
a cave or something like? Where? Where are these things going at night
or during the daytime when we don't see them them? Having that ability to
go from dimension to dimensional would absolutely explain why we don't see them. It
would. Uh, scientists won't accept that, I mean mainstream science or they're
never going to accept that, but you know we can as field researchers as
something that we can look into. So that would explain. That would answer
the question if they had those abilities. But if they don't and they are
flesh and blood, and this is the reason science has such a problem with
it, because they believe that if they exist, they're flesh and blood,
that's what they have to be, where do they go and answer that question?
You hit it right on the head. I think they go into caves.
Yeah, pigeon Mountain is full of caves. They're I mean they're everywhere
up there, this area down here in the South, it is full of
caves. I mean they're all over the place. And people will argue,
why if these things are so elusive, why would they back themselves into a
corner by going into a cave. Well, we don't know that they're backing
themselves into a corner. They've been traveling these cave systems for thousand years.
Probably they know the ends and the ounce and how where to go and where
not to go. But I think that's just a silly argument. But it
stay tuned for more paranormal odyssey. I think cave systems is the answer.
I really do. And I don't know. I'm sure you've seen that map
that overlays missing people with a map of the cave systems in the US.
Have you seen? Yeah? Of course, of course told me that someone
told me that's not But really I don't Yeah, but I don't know.
I mean, every there's always going to be somebody that cross bowl on stuff
like that. But I haven't heard seen anything scientific to tell me that it
wasn't real. Until I do, I'm going to say that there's a connection.
I think I think there could be a connection there. Yeah, I
think there's a connection too. And now I got to tell you something really
interesting, right, because I am I'm trained. I do tracking, right,
I'm a tracker. I know how to do. I do human tracking,
animal tracking, whatever, right. And uh, when I was I've
been Tennessee at that property, at Farah and her husband's property, they have
this huge cave right behind their house, okay, and these chickens were being
taken there, their pet chickens were being taken. Something was actually opening up
the chicken pen taking chickens out, and the only things that were left these
chickens were like feathers. Okay, there's no carnage, no blood, no
body parts, no nothing. And but there was a trail of feathers at
one point going into that cave. Okay. So and there was a foot
there was one footprint that looked like a sasquatch footprint beside the chicken coop.
All right. So I go up there with a team of guys and we're
looking through that cave, like we literally went into that cave. I was
looking for tracks, right, I'm looking for any kind of sign a big
foot in that cave, and I gotta tell you, there was a zero.
There was nothing, no footprints, no sign, no nothing. I
couldn't find anything. And he would think that, like there were the feathers
that were going up there, there was. It clearly looked as a sasquash
had taken those chick There was no sign of bigfoot at all, no footprints.
Now could they have like jumped up into like one of the caverns in
the top of the cave and like not going through the main part, Yeah,
totally, but those are tiny little caverns, so I don't know.
It was just it was interesting. You got me really interested in that property.
That Yeah, that strange big foot. I mean, so something's going
in there, Something with hands is opening the chicken goop and not killing the
chicken rut there, but picking it up and carrying it at all. Now,
let me ask you this, are they leaving chickens, are they or
are they taking everything they can? Okay, that was such a great question
because what my hypothesis is that they are taking the chickens to raise their own
eggs. Okay, I don't think they're even killing the chickens. They took
some of the hens and it was hens and there was no blood. I
feel like perhaps potentially they're wanting just to have their own eggs and raise their
own chickens. Potentially that was my fa They don't take all the chickens drop,
No, they only took a couple, and there was like a stick,
like a long stick stuck into the back of the pin of the where
the chickens were, Like it was poking at the chickens to shoe them to
the front of the to where the door was. So it shows some intelligence,
right, something with the posable zumps too. That's I mean, when
you get evidence like that, you the only thing it can be is a
sasquatch or a person, you know, a federal person, right, you've
been talking about feral people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and those guys
were cool, but yeah, I mean you narrow it down to either a
sasquatch or you've got an intruder or a trespasser that's coming on. And have
they put cameras up or anything? Oh yeah, Oh, there were cameras
all over the place. Yeah, they have multiple cameras outside the house.
And Pharaoh was picking up orbs and left recording devices out by the cave.
And she was picking up voices. And yeah, the camera actually the last
night that the chickens were taken, the camera had been moved right before the
chickens were taken. Yeah, so the camera was actually facing in the opposite
direction for the first time ever. Yeah, so there was no footage.
So that shows intelligence too, yall. Y'all got a cool bloss up there.
Yes, oh yeah, right. I I was super happy to be
there. It was an awesome investigation. I was up there with the guys
from Crypti Warfare podcasts, Zooke and Drew Ski and their friends, and we
made an operation out of it. It was fantastic. Yeah, we ended
up not getting a whole lot of cryptid activity up there, but we got
paranormal activity. Actually in the cave. We picked up figures on the SLS
cameras. One was a giant and there were two little tiny ones and they
were interacting with us. Yeah. It was wild. Yeah, super weird
stuff. They can do a whole show talking about that investigation. Yeah.
Yeah, and hey, let me know if you want to, if you
want me to bring send some of my friends over too. They can tell
you all about it on your shot too. If y'all go back up there.
I'd love to go with you. Yeah, hey, we'll take you.
We're we got to plan a trip for sure, because we're too close
in proximity to each other to not be going out and doing some big footing
together for sure with your team. Yeah yeah, yeah. What is the
strangest thing you've ever come across out in the field. The strangest thing I
didn't come across it. And again, if we were on my stream yard,
I could share this picture with you. But it's a guy that is
new to my group. His name's Craig. Shout out to Craig if you're
watching, buddy. But this area that he's been looking into, he found
this old dead tree. And this might not be strange to a lot of
you, but it's strange to me. There's this down tree that's clearly dead,
and there's a boulder that is sitting on top of it. I'm not
talking to rock. I'm not talking like a basketball sized rock. I'm talking
about a little bit smaller than a Volkswagen boulders sitting on top of this tree.
How there's no way, no possible way that it could be there,
and it just it's scary to think about if something put that boulder there,
the strength that it possesses. I mean, because we're talking maybe a ton
that this thing weighs. And I showed it. I talked about it for
a while on my show, and I showed the pictures of it, and
of course we have people in there talking about what loggers did it. Loggers
picked it up with the equipment and sat it on there. Why why would
they do that? That doesn't make any sense. And it's in a state
park. I don't think they do a whole lot of logging and state parks
so and the area around it, you can see that it's never been logged
before. There's all kinds of trees there. I mean, I didn't buy
that, but that was strange. And another guy told me that I worked
with, told me about finding a fire hydrant, fire hydrant, a fire
extinguisher well underneath a down tree out and just miles away from anything in the
woods. And I mean, how does that happen? Somebody just take a
fire extinguisher out there and throw it down and then the tree just happens to
fall on it. How do the stuff like that? Yeah, a lot
of a lot of things just don't make sense. And so that's where we
have to use our common sets to understand that this stuff don't make sense.
Okay, now sounds southern as heck. I know, it just doesn't make
sense a lot of it. But what didn't this world makes sense anymore?
Wayne? That's my question? What makes sense anymore of especially when you're dealing
with big fut out there? Yeah? Do you come up well on a
bunch of like X structures and tree structures and tps and what do you think
about that kind of stuff? Ah see them all the time. They're they're
everywhere. You know, I don't know, I don't know what to make
of it. A lot of it can be explained, but like just natural,
no mother nature, just a tree falling or limbs falling. But when
when you see saplings bent over and then wedged between other trees, something with
hands had to do it. It wasn't a tornado that came through that wedge
this tree twelve different ways. And then you see like webb a bunch of
limbs like woven together and stuff. That stuff can't be explained. You know,
I think they're they're signed. There's like symbols or signs or markers of
something. Will we ever know what they're displaying. I don't know that we
ever will, but I think they're markers of some sort, really do Yeah,
I think that the X the X markers, I think those are markers
for sure. I think there's some kind of territorial thing even what I mean,
if if they do know where the Earth's natural portals are, it could
be like a spot like hey, this is where we come in and out,
you know, I mean, who knows. Everybody's got an opinion on
it. But but I also always say, like, we can't we can't
underestimate the power of a drunk camper or like board campers or boy scouts,
you know what I mean. And they should be a bump the sticker or
a T shirt right and a hat. I think those would sell for sure.
Yeah, never underestimate the the potential of a drunk camper because you know,
a lot of a lot of times like they will go out there and
they also they'll go out there and they'll make tps and debris huts. And
I'm not saying those are drunk campers, even though my team has been out
there many times where we have learned and taught each other how to make debris
huts and stuff like that. So you know, when people send me pictures
of stuff like of like debris huts and things, I don't really use that
as like evidence on my shows and stuff because I know that a human probably
made that. Yeah, but it's all about doing it yourself, so like
you know that humans are capable of doing it, so you don't assume everything's
a big foot, you know. I guess that's part of the research.
Yeah, I mean, I think that is the most important thing that we
as researchers need to do. We need to when we see something, never
assome that that it's big foot, and do everything we can to eliminate any
other possible ability. And I think that's what a good researcher does. I'm
sure that's what you and your team do. Take every other scenario out of
play, and with what you are left with was big boot, then present
it as evidence. I think a lot of us, a lot of the
people out there, especially with the pictures this Paradoia stuff. I mean,
it drives me crazy. I know a lot of those pictures are legit,
there is something there, but for everyone that there's something there, there's probably
in my opinion, there's probably five that there's not, And I think I
think it does a disservice to the subject. If you put out a piece
of evidence that you're not one hundred percent certain and those pictures you cannot be
one hundred percent certain. I'm sorry. I feel like it gives us a
bad It gives us a bad name. It doesn't have a subject, a
subject that has already looked down on by so many people. When you start
putting pictures like that out at the blurry pictures and the pictures of a woodline
that could possibly be ahead or a shoulder, that you're just hurting us.
In my opinion, you need to be sure that you have something before you
release it. In my opinion, yes, well, I just don't show
the Paradoia stuff on my shows and things like that. But it's not to
say that these people aren't having real experiences out there though, you know,
and so and I love a good account of like something that happens to somebody,
and uh, and a lot of times I'll get, like my team
we get phone calls from people like state park rangers and stuff that are like,
I'm having all this activity here, you know, and we don't send
the whole team out to go investigate. We usually send like one or two
people out at the most just to go scout it to make sure that what
they're saying adds a you know, before we actually send a whole team out
there to research. And so I think that's a good rule of thumb because
they say, yeah, so many people, how many people you got in
your organization, your group? Well, I'm on I'm on three different research
teams. So but but we all kind of inter we we intermingle, like
we're all like we're all kind of on each person's teams, like we're all
most of the same people are on the same teams, but we're just in
different regions. So I'm going to say there's about fifteen of us, just
round about number, Yeah, about fifteen something like that. I'd say we've
got about twelve in manimal ten to twelve. I had them in multiple states,
and I've tried to not do that as much because you if someone did
in Missouri or Virginia, you can't really keep a grasp on what what all
they're doing and everything, you know, with ten to twelve people. A
problem I'm having, and I'm sure you are too is you know, we're
all adults. We all have other responsibilities, no families, kids and jobs.
Just by I'm in the time to get together. You know, that's
something the problem that we're having. Yeah, because it's it's expensive and it's
time consuming, but it's so worth it because it's so fun. It is
and I can't wait to get out in the field with you guys one day.
It's gonna be a lot of fun. And tell everybody, Okay,
this hour has gone by so fast. I know I started the show a
couple of minutes late because my computer went haywire. But this has been amazing.
Wayne, I've had a really good time talking to you tonight. Where
can my audience find you? What's your YouTube channel? Okay, I appreciate
that. Yeah, if everyone would go and give me a subscribe, I
would appreciate it. I'm right there at the two thousand mark and I would
love to be there about tomorrow if you guys can help me out. It's
a Paranormal Odyssey. Lab is my YouTube channel. There is a normal Odyssey.
I need to add live to it. Well, I'm not sure if
the LAB is on there or not. I think it is, but you
just put in Paranormal Odyssey, You're you're gonna find me, and my research
organization is minimal Research. I got that group on Facebook. Feel free to
head over there and become a member. I would love to have you come
and share some of your experiences. My YouTube channel, Paranormal Odyssey. I
do a live show every Tuesday night at seven thirties. Some weeks i'll do
an extra one and get a couple of extra like I did one last night.
But every episode that I do I release to podcast, and that's where
I have a much bigger reach. I can't even I mean ten to twelve
thousand downloads a month. I get yeah on my podcast, So anything I
do on the YouTube channel gets uploaded to podcast, and I interview more people
that don't get a live show, so you get extra content. I release
an episode every Wednesday and Sunday on Paranormal Audycy and you can get that anywhere
you get podcasts, Pool, Spotify, all that stuff. And give me
a rating review, guys, help me out. Five stars only, y'all,
five stars only. He's amazing. Yeah, you're you have such a
great show and and I really enjoy being on there. Thank you. For
inviting me to be one of your your guests, because it's just it's a
lot of fun. I'm glad I have friends up in Tennessee that go research
in North Georgia. Because yeah, it's it's a good time. So Wayne,
thank you so much for being here today. I'm sorry. I had
so many technical difficulties. I don't know what's wrong. There's something in the
water tonight, but hey, we pulled through. Like I always say,
whenever you have a good guest or a good interview, the hours blah blah,
and this one absolutely bla by. I had had a blast, Jeska,
thank you, thank you. Well, it's not the last time you're
gonna be on space Stout Radio. I'm bringing you back on soon. Okay,
be here, Okay, awesome, Wayne, have a wonderful night.
Thanks again. I'll see you soon. Okay, thanks man, Okay,
mine alright, y'all. Way was amazing. That was such a good time,
y'all. They say you don't gotta go home, but you can stay.
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