WEBVTT 1 00:00:40.439 --> 00:00:49.520 Hello and welcome to Open Mind UFO Radio. I am speaking with Jason burrito 2 00:00:50.119 --> 00:00:55.119 lover McClellan. How are you. Oh, now, I'm really hungry man. 3 00:00:55.359 --> 00:00:58.039 Oh yeah, you know I love burritos. Yeah, I don't know 4 00:00:58.079 --> 00:01:00.920 if we've talked about that before, but I think we have. We probably 5 00:01:00.920 --> 00:01:04.239 have. It's been a while though, but that you're a major burrito lover, 6 00:01:04.319 --> 00:01:07.280 and of course I am. I you know, not to be cliche 7 00:01:07.439 --> 00:01:14.159 being Mexican. I grew up on a micro and I love him. Yeah, 8 00:01:14.200 --> 00:01:18.280 I can't get enough. And uh yeah, you really ruined the show 9 00:01:18.319 --> 00:01:21.359 for me now because I really all I can think about is burrito. Well, 10 00:01:21.359 --> 00:01:23.959 thanks for bringing that up. And by the way, I'm fantastic Allejundra, 11 00:01:25.000 --> 00:01:29.159 how are you good? Good? Well? And I'm thinking about Tomolling's 12 00:01:29.239 --> 00:01:33.319 because I'm making Tomaling's this year again getting to that season. Yeah, it's 13 00:01:33.319 --> 00:01:38.079 a holiday tradition in the Southwest. Mostly a lot of people don't know. 14 00:01:38.120 --> 00:01:41.359 A lot of the Mexican food that we know of in the United States is 15 00:01:41.439 --> 00:01:49.040 actually Southwest food more so than like Mexican. But Tomali's being one of those 16 00:01:49.439 --> 00:01:53.079 and I used to when I was in Colorado. My sister's boyfriend would make 17 00:01:53.120 --> 00:01:57.519 them, but I haven't gone back there for Thanksgiving the last couple of years, 18 00:01:57.879 --> 00:02:01.439 so i've i you know, tried it myself last year and they turned 19 00:02:01.439 --> 00:02:07.640 out pretty good. So I've honed my skills and gotten better recipes. So 20 00:02:07.199 --> 00:02:15.439 this week tomorrow I will be rolling some tomalas for the twenty fourteen holiday season. 21 00:02:15.199 --> 00:02:20.599 Well that also makes me hungry, and I I wish you luck with 22 00:02:20.639 --> 00:02:23.280 that. That's a fun process. It's gonna be delicious. So I have 23 00:02:23.360 --> 00:02:28.759 a Turkey Day coming up, so I should let people know. And this 24 00:02:28.879 --> 00:02:34.719 is kind of cool because it kind of fits with Thanksgiving. Is that Thanksgiving 25 00:02:34.719 --> 00:02:38.319 of course, was about, you know, the Native Americans and the colonists 26 00:02:38.319 --> 00:02:46.840 working together when at America was first starting. Our guest for today is already 27 00:02:47.080 --> 00:02:53.439 six Killer Clark, and we've had her on the show before speaking about her 28 00:02:53.520 --> 00:03:02.159 book on Native American legends. It's called Encounters with the Star People Untold Stories 29 00:03:02.199 --> 00:03:08.960 of Americans. However, she's got a new book coming out called Sky People 30 00:03:09.599 --> 00:03:15.000 Untold Stories of Alien Encounters in Meso America. So this is more of like 31 00:03:15.039 --> 00:03:23.319 the Central America and Mexico area of the TMLLY Eating regions and their legends because 32 00:03:23.360 --> 00:03:27.159 she spent a lot of time out there, so this is really cool. 33 00:03:27.759 --> 00:03:31.039 Arty six Killer Clark for those of you who are not aware, she was 34 00:03:31.159 --> 00:03:39.520 a professor emeritus at Montana State University and really interesting stuff. So this is 35 00:03:39.560 --> 00:03:43.319 going to be a lot of fun. And what's cool about this stuff is 36 00:03:43.360 --> 00:03:49.199 it's not really recorded. I mean a lot of this is local legend that 37 00:03:49.479 --> 00:03:53.520 is verbal, so really you have to go down there and meet these people 38 00:03:53.560 --> 00:03:57.520 in order to get these stories, which she has done. She's spent several 39 00:03:57.599 --> 00:04:02.080 years out there and gotten some really interest stuff. So a great fun interview 40 00:04:02.759 --> 00:04:09.319 for today, Perfecto yay. So that ought to be a lot of fun 41 00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:12.439 and that'll be coming up in a few minutes. However, prior to that, 42 00:04:13.639 --> 00:04:18.439 Jason and I are going to speak of UFO news. Do do do 43 00:04:18.920 --> 00:04:24.319 so? UFO news of the Week? What's a favorite stories of yours? 44 00:04:24.519 --> 00:04:29.000 Oh? UFO news of the week. One of our favorite subjects to discuss, 45 00:04:29.040 --> 00:04:33.639 Alejandro. Yeah, I'm going to pick a story here that's one of 46 00:04:33.680 --> 00:04:43.079 the many UFO citing stories submitted to Move On and written up by mister Roger 47 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:51.040 Marsh, communications director of mofon. And you know I don't usually talk too 48 00:04:51.120 --> 00:05:00.079 much about triangle UFOs because there's so many conventional things that could explain many of 49 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:03.680 what people report as triangle UFOs. But there's an interesting one from last week 50 00:05:04.160 --> 00:05:09.879 that was observed in Alabama by a driver. He was driving down the highway 51 00:05:10.040 --> 00:05:15.600 and saw this triangle craft and at first he thought it was a small plane 52 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:18.519 because just to where it appeared in the sky, just above the tree tops, 53 00:05:18.879 --> 00:05:26.879 and it was moving slowly, and so to this point in the sighting 54 00:05:26.959 --> 00:05:30.600 report, nothing out of the ordinary, nothing that would lead you to believe 55 00:05:30.639 --> 00:05:34.319 that this craft is bizarre in any way. He saw the object, he 56 00:05:34.360 --> 00:05:38.720 got a clearer view of it and saw that it was a triangle shaped object. 57 00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:44.839 He saw the object hovering, and saw it turn over like completely flip 58 00:05:44.879 --> 00:05:50.680 over on the other side and hover, and he saw interesting series of lights 59 00:05:51.079 --> 00:05:57.439 and a sequence of blinking of the lights blinking on one side. He describes 60 00:05:57.480 --> 00:06:00.920 a blinking one set of lights towo auld blink one, two, three, 61 00:06:01.199 --> 00:06:04.279 four and then go dark, and then the other side would do the same 62 00:06:04.319 --> 00:06:12.519 thing. So we had this interesting maneuverability of this craft that I haven't really 63 00:06:12.560 --> 00:06:17.439 heard in too many triangle UFO sidings before, and certainly not something that like 64 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:21.839 a drone like a quad copter or something is capable of doing turning upside down 65 00:06:24.480 --> 00:06:27.480 really interesting behavior here. So what do you think, Calhandro, Yeah, 66 00:06:27.480 --> 00:06:31.079 that is weird. It's that story's really gotten popular. It's interesting how some 67 00:06:31.120 --> 00:06:36.920 of these sighting reports, even without pictures and photographs get really popular and a 68 00:06:36.959 --> 00:06:41.959 lot of hits, a lot of yeah, but it is cool. And 69 00:06:42.040 --> 00:06:46.360 it seems like these triangular ones in particular, where once in a while you 70 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:54.279 will hear of them kind of stopping and doing some sort of weird maneuver in 71 00:06:54.319 --> 00:06:58.399 the air. I haven't heard, I don't think of a total flip over 72 00:06:58.600 --> 00:07:01.839 like this, but I have heard at least several times that they will kind 73 00:07:01.839 --> 00:07:06.480 of turn on end where like the point is headed up and then kind of 74 00:07:06.480 --> 00:07:12.319 maneuver or fly away, which is kind of weird too. So yeah, 75 00:07:12.560 --> 00:07:15.439 kind of very interesting. And of course triangle ar UFOs I think capture the 76 00:07:15.480 --> 00:07:21.759 imagination because they're so strange and there have been, you know, so many 77 00:07:21.839 --> 00:07:30.000 credible instances across the decades of sightings of these things, and because I don't 78 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:33.839 typically talk about triangle UFOs that often, I do want to point out here 79 00:07:33.920 --> 00:07:44.360 that I personally get really frustrated by people in the UFO field and UFO enthusiasts 80 00:07:44.360 --> 00:07:49.399 and armchair researchers and I don't know the whole group of anything to do with 81 00:07:49.519 --> 00:07:56.160 UFOs and people who have casually researched it and think they know a lot about 82 00:07:56.639 --> 00:08:00.920 what these UFOs are, especially the Triangle ones. Time and time again we 83 00:08:00.959 --> 00:08:03.399 hear people respond to us and say, oh, no, big deal, 84 00:08:03.480 --> 00:08:07.839 that's not aliens, that's the TR three B, And listen to people, 85 00:08:09.439 --> 00:08:11.839 there isn't confirmation that that is even a craft. Yes, we've got lots 86 00:08:11.879 --> 00:08:18.040 and lots of hearsay, testimony and comments about secret black projects, But you 87 00:08:18.079 --> 00:08:22.079 know what if the TR three B actually does exist and it's this secret military 88 00:08:22.120 --> 00:08:28.040 craft or whatever. Number One, it hasn't been that secret because everybody seems 89 00:08:28.079 --> 00:08:31.120 to know about it. And number two, they seem to have been working 90 00:08:31.160 --> 00:08:35.559 on it for I don't know how many years now. So either it's really 91 00:08:35.600 --> 00:08:39.039 crappy technology and they really need to test it out a lot, or this 92 00:08:39.080 --> 00:08:46.639 thing doesn't exist. But the thing is, it's speculated and people it's really 93 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:50.840 I think throwing out a lot of UFO sidings when people just automatically say a 94 00:08:50.879 --> 00:08:54.080 triangle UFO, that's TR three B, that's military, let's throw it out. 95 00:08:54.120 --> 00:08:58.759 Who cares about that sighting? Yeah? Yeah, So I think it 96 00:08:58.399 --> 00:09:03.840 is deentrim detrimental when people just chalk it up to the TR three B, 97 00:09:03.039 --> 00:09:07.080 when again, we don't know that that actually exists. Yeah, you're you're 98 00:09:07.159 --> 00:09:11.919 just getting us in trouble again, Jason. We always get ourselves in trouble 99 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:18.240 with people because I agree wholeheartedly. I've said this before, and you know, 100 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:22.279 it was confirmed when I spoke with David Marler, who wrote a book 101 00:09:22.320 --> 00:09:28.519 on triangular UFOs and has done even more research into this. But being in 102 00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:31.919 this field the entire you know, for so long, I've also you know, 103 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:37.120 looked at a lot of information and like you said, there is no 104 00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:39.360 evidence for a TR three B. There was a TR three A, which 105 00:09:39.399 --> 00:09:45.200 was like a precursor to a stealth bomber, but it was conventional. I 106 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:50.440 think they just made a prototype or just designs. But there's been no evidence 107 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:54.000 whatsoever of a TR three B using any anti gravity. And like you said, 108 00:09:54.200 --> 00:09:56.919 everybody always throws that out, oh blue to two your three B. 109 00:09:58.120 --> 00:10:01.639 Well, we don't know that they exist. They most likely don't. Other 110 00:10:01.720 --> 00:10:09.320 researchers such as Bigelow, the National Investigative Institute of Discovery Sciences, that went, 111 00:10:09.440 --> 00:10:11.679 yeah, and they did a full on study as well, and they 112 00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:18.759 found these the TR three B not to most likely exist. And what's interesting 113 00:10:18.799 --> 00:10:22.960 about their study if people get frustrated, oh they're debunking, well, they're 114 00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:28.519 saying that it's not human, that these triangle UFOs are real, but that 115 00:10:28.559 --> 00:10:33.919 they aren't you know. They Their conclusion was that they weren't made by you 116 00:10:33.960 --> 00:10:37.200 know, humans, They're not ours. Yeah, they're not ours. So, 117 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:41.320 yeah, you're right. I mean triangular configurations of lights in the sky, 118 00:10:41.519 --> 00:10:46.240 typically an airplane. I do like some of these night vision ones we've 119 00:10:46.240 --> 00:10:50.440 been getting lately that are really cool because they don't show any blinking navigational lights 120 00:10:50.440 --> 00:10:54.159 at all, and they kind of have some weird maneuvers at times. So 121 00:10:54.200 --> 00:10:58.039 those are kind of neat and when people see a solid object, of course 122 00:10:58.080 --> 00:11:00.840 that's cool. But like you said, a lot of these do turn out 123 00:11:00.879 --> 00:11:07.639 to be conventional airplanes. But some of them, yeah, are just unknowns. 124 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:15.080 Yeah, absolutely so, and most likely probably none of them are TR 125 00:11:15.159 --> 00:11:18.879 three b's. Sorry, guys, they're going to get really mad over that. 126 00:11:18.039 --> 00:11:22.080 But yeah, you know, I put my mindy on that to you, 127 00:11:22.159 --> 00:11:24.200 Alandro. There could be other things though. We do know there are 128 00:11:24.519 --> 00:11:28.480 you know, convent or there are triangular craft out there. There's been some 129 00:11:30.279 --> 00:11:35.159 photographed in the last year or so, the great photographs where they typically have 130 00:11:35.279 --> 00:11:41.120 contrails. So there are triangular craft out there. There's there's craft that Air 131 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:45.639 Force Space Command has worked on and has given a little bit info about. 132 00:11:46.559 --> 00:11:50.240 There's the Aurora, which there is more evidence for something like the Aurora existing 133 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:58.120 and possibly using like these scramjet or ramjet technology. But so there are a 134 00:11:58.120 --> 00:12:03.559 triangular craft out there. Yeah, So there are lots of lots of possibilities 135 00:12:03.559 --> 00:12:07.240 when it comes to possible identifications for these things. And that's why it frustrates 136 00:12:07.279 --> 00:12:11.759 me when people just write it off as I hear you, I hear you 137 00:12:11.799 --> 00:12:15.240 a brout. I'm sorry, sorry for the rant, but out there I 138 00:12:15.240 --> 00:12:20.759 did think this triangle UFO sighting report was interesting based on the unusual behavior. 139 00:12:20.120 --> 00:12:24.279 Yeah, we don't hear that often with the inverting pretty cool, and there 140 00:12:24.320 --> 00:12:28.840 are so many I mean, there's a lot other than a single light in 141 00:12:28.879 --> 00:12:31.120 a s guy doing some weird stuff, which is probably the most common. 142 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:35.279 You know, there's a lot of triangular UFO sightings. Yeah. Absolutely, 143 00:12:37.320 --> 00:12:39.879 Well, off my rant Alijndro, what story would you like to talk about? 144 00:12:41.120 --> 00:12:43.639 You know what, I don't know that I want to talk about any 145 00:12:43.799 --> 00:12:46.840 in depth, actually, so I think I'll just kind of but there are 146 00:12:48.000 --> 00:12:52.159 some to note, I think, so I just want to kind of very 147 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:56.600 quickly go over a few I think that I think people should know about. 148 00:12:56.840 --> 00:13:01.480 So I think it's an interesting one, this SatLight killer, that this Russian 149 00:13:01.919 --> 00:13:05.440 satellite out there is doing some weird maneuvers and they think it might be a 150 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:09.120 satellite killer. I think it's interesting for our field because the whole story is 151 00:13:09.159 --> 00:13:13.399 about how you know, their secret military craft out there and it kind of 152 00:13:15.480 --> 00:13:20.200 possible space war brewing with Russia. At least they are prepared for it and 153 00:13:20.200 --> 00:13:24.320 they've made statements to that. So I thought that was an interesting story one 154 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:28.559 of them out there. Huh, Yeah, definitely. And I think that 155 00:13:28.639 --> 00:13:31.600 just goes to show that, for whatever reason, I think a lot of 156 00:13:31.639 --> 00:13:39.080 the mainstream public is under the illusion, I guess, or the perception that 157 00:13:39.399 --> 00:13:43.600 you know, NASA or any other body you know out there knows everything that's 158 00:13:43.600 --> 00:13:48.840 going on. And everything that's in the atmosphere, and we've seen that with 159 00:13:50.279 --> 00:13:54.679 all the fireballs and things coming in that we don't find out until last minute. 160 00:13:54.799 --> 00:13:58.120 You know. I think people are blissfully ignorant and think that you know, 161 00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:01.840 the powers that know everything that's out there and can tell us if we're 162 00:14:01.879 --> 00:14:07.600 in danger at all. But I think there's a whole lot in space that 163 00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:13.720 nobody knows about. And we do have these craft and the Air Force has 164 00:14:13.759 --> 00:14:18.759 their secret space that they've been launching up at their secret payloads. And you 165 00:14:18.799 --> 00:14:22.320 know who's in space, not that many people on the grand scale of things. 166 00:14:22.679 --> 00:14:26.200 So, you know, we talked about space law and we did an 167 00:14:26.240 --> 00:14:31.080 article about that in open Mind's magazine about just how it's the wild West and 168 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:33.919 there are laws for space, but when it comes to enforcing, how's that 169 00:14:35.000 --> 00:14:37.879 going to happen? Because doing something up there, who's going to stop them? 170 00:14:39.320 --> 00:14:41.840 You know, this is the very beginning of things, and there are 171 00:14:43.159 --> 00:14:46.720 governments and military and crafts and things going on and being launched all the time, 172 00:14:46.879 --> 00:14:50.120 and we really don't know what's up there and what they're doing. It's 173 00:14:50.159 --> 00:14:56.440 a wild West in space, Yes, that's right. Yeah, and nobody 174 00:14:56.440 --> 00:15:00.200 can enforce it, like you said, so they're doing what they want. 175 00:15:00.559 --> 00:15:03.480 But so yeah, these guys, if they've got their they're subtle, like 176 00:15:03.720 --> 00:15:09.360 killing craft up there, who knows what else it's killing, shooting down UFOs 177 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:13.759 and everything else. Yeah, that's mean. Yeah. So this is kind 178 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:20.240 of funny too because we posted three stories last week on crowdfunding. So I 179 00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:24.159 guess tis the season for crowdfunding now that I think about it, though, 180 00:15:24.440 --> 00:15:28.600 right before the holidays might not be the best time in the crowdfund. You 181 00:15:28.679 --> 00:15:35.320 might want to do that, you know, after well months after. It's 182 00:15:35.360 --> 00:15:37.840 not like it's a gift you can buy someone crowdfunded for you. Oh, 183 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:43.639 they understead I would have had a video game or something. But that's right. 184 00:15:43.919 --> 00:15:48.720 Move on. It's got a Kickstarter out because they would like to revamp 185 00:15:48.799 --> 00:15:56.720 their website and database to make it more friendly for researchers and for people submitting. 186 00:15:56.039 --> 00:16:00.120 The website design is gorgeous. It's a great website, and they would 187 00:16:00.159 --> 00:16:03.480 like it to make it easier for people to report, and they're designed for 188 00:16:03.600 --> 00:16:07.759 that. If you look at it, it's very intuitive and it's almost like 189 00:16:07.799 --> 00:16:11.639 a game. It's like paying a game. It's real fun for people to 190 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:15.399 report and then for researchers, the database is more accessible, so you can 191 00:16:15.440 --> 00:16:22.159 do more queries against the database to be able to do things like track triangular 192 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:25.919 UFOs better and stuff like that. So yeah, that's going to be huge. 193 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:30.720 So I love their ambition here. I hope they get the funding they 194 00:16:30.759 --> 00:16:34.519 need to execute this because they do have a wealth of information. I don't 195 00:16:34.519 --> 00:16:40.919 think people realize how much data comes into them, and right now, with 196 00:16:41.639 --> 00:16:45.519 the way things are set up for their reporting, it is limited in what 197 00:16:45.639 --> 00:16:48.320 data they can gather and what they can do with that. If they get 198 00:16:48.320 --> 00:16:52.240 this database and can put absolutely every single detail in there, that's going to 199 00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:57.360 make it so much, so much easier and more valuable for researchers looking into 200 00:16:57.360 --> 00:17:00.360 this stuff. Yeah, they need a lot more money they want around. 201 00:17:00.399 --> 00:17:04.759 They want seventy eight thousand dollars to do this. They had I think a 202 00:17:04.759 --> 00:17:08.799 three week kickstarter, kind of a short one. There's only about a week 203 00:17:08.880 --> 00:17:12.799 to go and they have fourteen thousand, which is quite a bit, but 204 00:17:14.079 --> 00:17:18.440 of course they've got a little bit of ways to go to meet that goal. 205 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:23.279 Hey yep, fingers crossed. Yeah. The second kickstarter, which I 206 00:17:23.319 --> 00:17:29.640 think is so awesome personally. I know a lot of people are skeptical, 207 00:17:29.680 --> 00:17:33.279 and I can understand that for sure, But this is a group who we've 208 00:17:33.319 --> 00:17:37.359 had on the show several times, and I know there are a lot of 209 00:17:37.359 --> 00:17:40.839 people excited about this as well out there because I get a lot of feedback 210 00:17:40.880 --> 00:17:45.359 when we have the gentleman who is heading this up on the show. But 211 00:17:45.480 --> 00:17:52.000 this is the space warp technology. So we've had David Paris, the adjunct 212 00:17:52.000 --> 00:17:59.319 professor and Nebraska. He works at University of Nebraska as well as other schools. 213 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:06.680 Him as some graduate students and some engineers, some flight design engineers and 214 00:18:06.759 --> 00:18:11.160 such have gotten together and they believe that they've got an idea on how to 215 00:18:11.160 --> 00:18:17.000 make spacewarp technology. So they've tested this in the lab. Now they want 216 00:18:17.000 --> 00:18:21.000 to build a drone that's you know, like five feet wide or something that 217 00:18:21.440 --> 00:18:25.880 will actually demonstrate this technology. They want to get this thing off the ground 218 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:30.440 so it flies around using spacewarp technology. So I think this is so cool 219 00:18:30.880 --> 00:18:37.240 and interesting. They're only looking at well, they're looking at one hundred eighty 220 00:18:37.319 --> 00:18:42.440 thousand or something like that. They want to but you could go donate to 221 00:18:42.559 --> 00:18:48.759 them so they can do their best to get their project off the ground and 222 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:52.680 I think this would be really cool. And I'm gonna say this on the 223 00:18:52.720 --> 00:18:57.200 air. I am so disappointed right now with the Huffington Post. They did 224 00:18:57.240 --> 00:19:03.240 post Travis Walton blog I wrote today, but they they I don't think they've 225 00:19:03.319 --> 00:19:07.359 ever not posted one of my blogs, and they wouldn't post the blog on 226 00:19:07.400 --> 00:19:11.519 this spacewarp thing. They said it was too much of asking for money. 227 00:19:11.680 --> 00:19:15.240 I'm just writing about it. I just think it's really interesting and it's fun. 228 00:19:15.359 --> 00:19:19.319 It's a fun sign of the times that someone these these you know people 229 00:19:19.400 --> 00:19:26.519 are out there crowdfunding for spacewarp. How cool is that? It's really cool? 230 00:19:26.519 --> 00:19:30.440 And we've talked about space warp technology, space war research a couple of 231 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:34.880 times on the show before, and there's just it's kind of, I don't 232 00:19:34.880 --> 00:19:40.680 know, it seems unreal to talk about it in an actual, you know, 233 00:19:40.799 --> 00:19:45.240 realistic way, that it's so close that there are people doing this research. 234 00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:48.559 It's feasible they have plans for warp engines and this stuff is going to 235 00:19:48.640 --> 00:19:53.319 happen in our lifetimes. It's so exciting. Yeah. Yeah, So that's 236 00:19:53.359 --> 00:19:57.079 a really cool one to be a part of. Really cool. So people 237 00:19:57.200 --> 00:20:03.839 can go check that out and a lot us crowdfunding opportunity out there is Actually, 238 00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:07.480 I would probably admit this one's probably the one that makes me the most 239 00:20:07.599 --> 00:20:10.720 excited, to be completely honest. I mean, I love this space warp 240 00:20:10.759 --> 00:20:12.640 thing, and hopefully it'll work. We'll see what happens with that. But 241 00:20:12.720 --> 00:20:18.839 when it comes to uphology, this is Robert Hastings, the author of UFOs 242 00:20:18.880 --> 00:20:23.559 and Nukes Extraordinary Encounters at Nuclear Weapon Sites. He's one of the best researchers 243 00:20:23.599 --> 00:20:30.599 out there. He's gotten over one hundred and fifty interviews with military veterans who 244 00:20:30.920 --> 00:20:41.039 have worked at nuclear missile locations and who have witnessed UFO siting, some of 245 00:20:41.079 --> 00:20:48.119 which have had an effect on the weapons themselves. Usually it's taking them offline 246 00:20:48.079 --> 00:20:53.160 and then getting them online. He believes this is a clear demonstration that they 247 00:20:53.200 --> 00:20:59.279 are interested, that somebody off world is interested in this technology and maybe sending 248 00:20:59.359 --> 00:21:02.880 us a sign to these toys are a little bit too big for us to 249 00:21:02.920 --> 00:21:07.519 play with right now. I think the evidence he's amassed is very notable and 250 00:21:07.599 --> 00:21:14.680 incredible. He is hesitant to work with other documentaries on television. In fact, 251 00:21:14.720 --> 00:21:18.799 it's really funny. One of the TV shows that I don't know if 252 00:21:18.839 --> 00:21:21.799 it was Hanger One, which of course you were on, or another show. 253 00:21:21.880 --> 00:21:25.559 Contacted him and he forwarded me his response, which was like, you 254 00:21:25.599 --> 00:21:29.359 guys are just gonna screw it up and be in inaccurate and make up lies 255 00:21:29.400 --> 00:21:32.480 and I'll never give you anything, even though you'll probably take my work and 256 00:21:32.880 --> 00:21:36.240 screw it up anyway. And you know what, it's a harsh response, 257 00:21:36.559 --> 00:21:41.960 but unfortunately he's right. I mean, most of these shows don't care about 258 00:21:41.079 --> 00:21:45.680 the facts, and of course someone like him, who is very meticulous, 259 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:51.240 wants to have the facts represented accurately, and they should be represented accurately. 260 00:21:51.279 --> 00:21:55.240 And it is so disappointed that these TV shows don't seem to really care so 261 00:21:55.319 --> 00:22:00.559 much about the fact as you know, the showmanship, the sensationalism. So 262 00:22:00.559 --> 00:22:04.720 so he's doing a documentary all on his own with all of these incredible people. 263 00:22:04.880 --> 00:22:11.279 He's got this short clip of it online that just alone has some great 264 00:22:11.319 --> 00:22:15.240 stories from some very credible witnesses. So I really hope that he gets some 265 00:22:15.279 --> 00:22:18.799 more funding. He was given one hundred thousand dollars grant, I guess, 266 00:22:18.799 --> 00:22:22.039 and he's gone through that. He's almost done. He just needs twenty five 267 00:22:22.079 --> 00:22:26.599 thousand dollars more, which sounds like a lot of money, but when it 268 00:22:26.599 --> 00:22:29.799 comes to crowdfunding, that's not really too bad. That's not too much, 269 00:22:30.680 --> 00:22:34.359 So hopefully he can get that and finish up this documentary. Unfortunately, it 270 00:22:34.400 --> 00:22:38.000 won't get on television, so I don't know how wide spread it will be. 271 00:22:38.640 --> 00:22:41.480 But with any luck, we'll be able to show it at the UFO 272 00:22:41.559 --> 00:22:45.279 Congress, if not this year, next year, and we'll be able to 273 00:22:45.319 --> 00:22:49.279 all purchase it and use it for research and show our friends and family the 274 00:22:49.519 --> 00:22:55.960 amazing credible information there is out there for this field. Well, I do 275 00:22:56.119 --> 00:22:59.119 hope. Yeah, like you said that, I don't know what the distribution 276 00:22:59.240 --> 00:23:02.880 is going to be like on but I hope it's easily accessible to the mainstream 277 00:23:02.960 --> 00:23:08.319 public because you know what he does, and coming from a military point of 278 00:23:08.400 --> 00:23:15.720 view, and with those military witnesses, military testimony and talking about something as 279 00:23:15.759 --> 00:23:21.440 big as nuclear weapons, that's something that you know, the general public's ears 280 00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:25.640 perk up and they listen and they say, wait a second, here's here 281 00:23:25.920 --> 00:23:32.119 military personnel talking about UFOs and saying that UFOs, you know, interacted with 282 00:23:32.119 --> 00:23:34.960 our nuclear weapons. This is kind of crazy stuff, but it's less crazy 283 00:23:36.039 --> 00:23:40.720 because of the people that's coming from this is pretty pretty intense, So the 284 00:23:40.759 --> 00:23:42.160 general public I think when they hear that, that's some of some of the 285 00:23:42.160 --> 00:23:47.599 most compelling information for them to start looking into this field and taking it more 286 00:23:47.640 --> 00:23:52.559 seriously. Yeah. So I really really wish him the best and hope he 287 00:23:52.559 --> 00:23:56.319 gets what he needs. And like you said, that it's made available so 288 00:23:56.359 --> 00:23:59.759 people can actually get to it. Yeah, yep, So good luck to 289 00:23:59.799 --> 00:24:03.440 him. And the last story I want to mention is a fun one, 290 00:24:03.480 --> 00:24:04.720 and I'm sure you're going to love to talk about this too, because you 291 00:24:04.759 --> 00:24:08.960 wrote the story and we love to kind of poke fun at our good buddy, 292 00:24:10.000 --> 00:24:15.359 Lese. Spiegel. Speaking of the Huffington Post, this video he did 293 00:24:15.759 --> 00:24:21.079 with his sweetest musician who's really famous there, I guess named Elliphant, which 294 00:24:21.119 --> 00:24:26.759 is a weird name, but this video. She came into town and she 295 00:24:26.480 --> 00:24:32.799 was being interviewed by Rolling Stone and she said, I want to interview a 296 00:24:32.960 --> 00:24:37.559 UFO person and they said, well, could we videotape you this interview? 297 00:24:37.599 --> 00:24:40.960 And she said sure, And so they reached out to the Huffington Post, 298 00:24:40.960 --> 00:24:45.960 who provided them with Lise Spiegel and they did this funny interview that they posted 299 00:24:45.079 --> 00:24:51.720 on Rolling Stone and it reminds you of Between Two Ferns is what this reminds 300 00:24:51.759 --> 00:24:56.039 me of if you've seen that the comedian Zach Gallafia and Nakis is that his 301 00:24:56.160 --> 00:25:00.839 name? How you say it? But that's what. But it feels like 302 00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:04.839 because it's so weird and awkward, just like of course that show Two Fernst 303 00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:11.880 is a parody, but this was real. So I know. I talked 304 00:25:11.920 --> 00:25:15.119 with Lee that it was long. It was uncomfortable for him because she's just 305 00:25:15.160 --> 00:25:22.680 a really strange person and he did his best to answer her questions and be 306 00:25:22.839 --> 00:25:26.640 serious about things, and it just got so weird and awkward, but enough 307 00:25:27.160 --> 00:25:33.640 to me, I guess awkward is in So this is some genuine awkwardness that 308 00:25:33.799 --> 00:25:38.000 is a lot of fun and just hilarious. Well you could tell that, 309 00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:41.039 you know, there was a lot that went on, and it's heavily edited, 310 00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:45.440 so yeah, you don't know everything that was said on either side, 311 00:25:47.000 --> 00:25:49.720 but it is pretty funny, and you're right, it does seem kind of 312 00:25:51.599 --> 00:25:56.759 kurt and awkward at times, where like she'll ask a question like do you 313 00:25:56.920 --> 00:26:00.279 believe in aliens? And we will say yeah, and if you're really me, 314 00:26:00.319 --> 00:26:03.240 if I believe they've been here, I think they've been here a long 315 00:26:03.279 --> 00:26:06.039 time, and she like, you can tell she's into it, because she's 316 00:26:06.119 --> 00:26:10.799 very very passionate about this and very much an enthusiast in the subject. But 317 00:26:10.960 --> 00:26:17.799 her response is just cool, yeah, cool, just short cool and then 318 00:26:17.880 --> 00:26:21.960 under the next next question. But yeah, the best part of that was 319 00:26:22.039 --> 00:26:25.440 when she said she wants to be the first person to have a baby with 320 00:26:25.480 --> 00:26:29.960 an alien And then I think that kind of surprised Lye and he said you 321 00:26:30.039 --> 00:26:33.279 better get in line, yeah, which is probably right because other people, 322 00:26:33.480 --> 00:26:37.960 you know would like to do that in this field. Well, I gave 323 00:26:37.039 --> 00:26:40.559 him a hard time because they said, I don't know if that that was 324 00:26:40.640 --> 00:26:44.599 Lee admitting that he also wants to have an baby. Yeah, no, 325 00:26:44.680 --> 00:26:48.359 kidding exactly. It's very funny. And I know a lot of people, 326 00:26:48.519 --> 00:26:52.079 you know, think that's it's silly for us to point something like that out. 327 00:26:52.119 --> 00:26:56.680 They think that's detrimental to the field of UFOs, the serious research of 328 00:26:56.799 --> 00:27:02.319 UFOs. But look, this was on a means stream Platform's done by somebody 329 00:27:02.680 --> 00:27:07.960 who is very famous, has a huge following, somebody who is genuinely interested 330 00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:14.400 in this subject. The genuine believer wanted to talk with a legitimate, serious 331 00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:18.359 UFO researcher, somebody who's knowledgeable in the field. They got least bigal. 332 00:27:18.440 --> 00:27:22.200 I think that's huge profits rolling Stone for doing that. And although it is 333 00:27:22.279 --> 00:27:26.160 playful, it's lighthearted. They do talk about serious things, and the mainstream 334 00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:30.640 public saw that. I think it is hugely beneficial. It's also fun for 335 00:27:30.680 --> 00:27:36.799 people like us. I had a good laugh with it. It was great. 336 00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:41.000 And look, if something like that is going to be detrimental and you 337 00:27:41.039 --> 00:27:45.880 know, cause ufology to collapse, the euthology isn't very strong on its own, 338 00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:49.720 so exactly a lot of people. Yeah, and it's like, you 339 00:27:49.759 --> 00:27:56.119 know, the social aspects that the sociological aspects and how all of this plays 340 00:27:56.160 --> 00:28:00.759 out I think is important. You know. Oh and here again you have 341 00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:06.400 people that are into this and regardless of what you think of those people, 342 00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:08.839 which is kind of rude of a lot of people, to be honest. 343 00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:11.920 I mean, these are people are genuinely into this stuff, and they have 344 00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:17.559 every right to be and they have every right to express it in whatever sense 345 00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:19.839 they want to. And I think, if anything, we should be happy 346 00:28:19.880 --> 00:28:25.279 that they're into it, rather than it would be worse if they're debunking it. 347 00:28:25.480 --> 00:28:30.200 You know, I think so or just dismissing it without any research. 348 00:28:30.279 --> 00:28:33.559 So I appreciate people doing whatever they can. And in the future, if 349 00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:37.119 this is the more and more mainstream it gets, and let's say it's it's 350 00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:41.480 you know, taken for granted that yeah, of course you know we're being 351 00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:45.160 visited. Well then you know, we'll see more of this kind of stuff. 352 00:28:45.319 --> 00:28:52.680 So it's just what it is. And if anything, I think to 353 00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:56.839 me overall, it's a good thing because it means the society is moving towards 354 00:28:56.920 --> 00:29:00.799 accepting you know, all of the fun I'm gonna yeah, yeah, that's 355 00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:06.759 right. So and let alone it happens to our good buddy Lee ha. 356 00:29:08.799 --> 00:29:11.559 All right, cool, Well that's about all the news I want to talk 357 00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:14.960 about. What do you think we covered a lot? Huh? Yeah, 358 00:29:15.039 --> 00:29:17.400 we sure did. Think we knocked it out. Yep. There's more on 359 00:29:17.480 --> 00:29:21.039 spacing out and Jason wasn't in it because you were moving into your new house. 360 00:29:21.799 --> 00:29:25.720 Yep. Still still moving into my now, but hopefully you'll be Uh 361 00:29:25.759 --> 00:29:29.720 are you going to be in the spacing out this week? I should be. 362 00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:33.359 No, We're not doing a spacing out this week because oh I don't 363 00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:37.200 even know. Jason writes the scripts for those and he he's kind of the 364 00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:41.559 the uh founder, or what's a better word. I mean, spacing out 365 00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:45.920 was your brain child. That's a good way to you're the father of spacing 366 00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:49.480 out. It's your hybrid baby, spacing out. Yeah, it's kind of 367 00:29:49.480 --> 00:29:53.599 a hybrid. It's kind of your hybrid alien baby. That's right. Yeah. 368 00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:56.680 So okay, so spacing out this week, I can chill out. 369 00:29:56.720 --> 00:30:00.880 I don't have to where you about what shirt I'm going to wear on Wednesday. 370 00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:04.319 That's right, don't stress, you know, take the holiday, relax. 371 00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:08.480 It's cool, all right, I'll worry more about my Tamali's Yes, 372 00:30:08.599 --> 00:30:14.640 that needs your full attention. Yeah, okay, great, Well let's go 373 00:30:14.720 --> 00:30:21.799 ahead and talk with Artie. I am very excited to have doctor Artie six 374 00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:26.559 Killer Clark on theline. Hello. Hello, how are you Alejandro? I 375 00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:30.920 am doing good. How are you? I'm doing great? Well. It's 376 00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:33.880 really exciting to have you on the show again because you have a new book 377 00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:40.079 coming out. Yes, I'm very excited about it. Uh huh. And 378 00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:45.960 your previous book is Encounters with Star People Untold Stories of American Indians, and 379 00:30:47.000 --> 00:30:52.119 we had spoken together about that previously, and maybe you could tell us a 380 00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:56.400 little bit about your your new book. Well, my new book is entitled 381 00:30:56.799 --> 00:31:03.640 Scott People Untold Stories of Alien Encounters of My America. And it came about 382 00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:15.599 when I was a teenager. I had a teacher had me a book entitled 383 00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:21.279 Incidents of Travel in Central America, Chiapis and the Yucatan, and it was 384 00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:29.039 a story of two nineteenth century explorers who had gone to Maso America because they 385 00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:33.400 had heard rumors of these ancient cities that were built in the jungles. And 386 00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:37.759 after I read the book, and then she gave me the copy of Incidents 387 00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:42.720 of Travel in the Yucatan, which was their follow up book, I decided 388 00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:48.640 that one day I was going to follow in the footsteps of Stevens and Catherwood, 389 00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:55.039 but two explorers. So I was in two thousand and three three I 390 00:31:55.119 --> 00:32:00.160 actually set out on the journey. It took me seven years to complete it 391 00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:05.359 because I would go down for a month or two weeks or something, and 392 00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:10.759 I actually visited every site that they had visited forty four They actually visited forty 393 00:32:10.759 --> 00:32:16.839 four. I ended up visiting eighty nine sites. Wow, and this has 394 00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:21.799 got to span a few countries, right, Oh, yes, it's belize 395 00:32:21.880 --> 00:32:28.640 Honduras, Guatemala, and Mexico, and it was just an amazing adventure. 396 00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:36.920 But over the years since, I had decided that along the way I was 397 00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:44.079 going to see if I could make contact with indigenous people that lived there and 398 00:32:44.519 --> 00:32:47.480 go to you know, I had done a lot of research on the incredible 399 00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:55.079 legends that come out of that part of the world about Scott people and individuals 400 00:32:55.119 --> 00:33:04.519 that came from beams of light to their village down from the sky of That 401 00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:12.880 area is just rich in stories of interaction with Scott people, and so I 402 00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:16.720 decided that not only I had done the research on the legends, but I 403 00:33:16.759 --> 00:33:22.440 wanted to follow up and see if there were any contemporary stories. So using 404 00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:30.319 interpreters, guides, drivers, I was able to come away with some amazing, 405 00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:42.680 amazing stories of contemporary interaction with with UFOs, with giants, with little 406 00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:47.119 people, with Scott people, and it was just it took me seven years 407 00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:52.279 to complete it, but it was it was an amazing adventure. Wow. 408 00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:58.440 So when you first got into this those legends, were there are those legends 409 00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:01.680 in the history books or was this something that you had to hear firsthand? 410 00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:08.880 Some of the legends, you know, are fairly they are in books in 411 00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:17.440 Spanish, but many of them were legends I heard from people when I was 412 00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:24.719 traveling there. I was in in Monte alban for example, which is the 413 00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:32.000 heart of this Appotec Indian country, and there were these three young men who 414 00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:37.320 approached me, and they were a part of a film crew, and they 415 00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:42.199 told me they identified themselves as being from the university, and they said they 416 00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:47.079 were doing a documentary on the the slash and burn that goes on in the 417 00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:53.159 jungles there by the native people where they cut the trees and they plant their 418 00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:59.960 corn crops, and they felt that there was too much poosh being put into 419 00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:08.360 the atmosphere by this flash and burning process, and so they were doing a 420 00:35:08.440 --> 00:35:14.679 documentary film on it for their film class. And so they mistook me for 421 00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:19.239 a tourist and said, you know, we'd like to interview you and get 422 00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:23.440 your opinions on this, on what's going on here. And you could look 423 00:35:23.480 --> 00:35:27.840 out if you're in Monte Auban, you're way up, you know, in 424 00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:30.840 the in the mountains, and Monte de Auban was built on the top of 425 00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:35.960 the mountain, so you're looking out over the jungles there and you can see 426 00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:42.400 all the different little fires coming up throughout the jungle and where people are burning 427 00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:46.360 to plant their crops, and I told him I really didn't want to be 428 00:35:49.320 --> 00:35:54.119 on their documentary. And my driver came and kind of rescued me and said, 429 00:35:54.199 --> 00:35:58.000 you know that I told them what I was doing. And then they 430 00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:00.239 said, well, maybe we should follow you. Your story is for the 431 00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:07.480 more interesting than hours. We'll do a documentary on you. And then I 432 00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:10.920 invited him to join me for a cooke, and we sat down and they 433 00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:20.679 started telling me a story about a nearby village where a being appeared on a 434 00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:24.360 rock. It came down. He came down from the sky on a beam 435 00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:35.039 of light. He stood on this boulder, and after several hours he actually 436 00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:39.119 became a part of the village. He taught the people how to do so 437 00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:45.519 many things. He took a Zapoteche woman for a wife, and he lived 438 00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:49.840 there for many years, and he ran the village. He was the ruler 439 00:36:49.960 --> 00:36:55.400 over the village. And then when he when his son, he had a 440 00:36:55.440 --> 00:37:00.239 son, and when his son married and became when his son became an adult 441 00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:05.440 and married, he went back to the same boulder. He stood on it, 442 00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:07.599 and his beam of light appeared and took him back to the sky, 443 00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:10.679 and he was never seen again. And so they told me this story, 444 00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:15.119 and so of course, you know, I go in search of this village 445 00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:20.719 and in search of the ancient city that he was supposed to have built. 446 00:37:21.559 --> 00:37:25.079 And you would never even know that it existed unless somebody told you about it, 447 00:37:25.119 --> 00:37:30.079 because it's not a site that is well known for tourists. It's along 448 00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:37.719 the side of a highway. There are no parking lots or you know, 449 00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:44.639 any of that. And but I went there and and you know, those 450 00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:47.960 are the kinds of things that happened to me along the way where I learned 451 00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:52.840 about a number of the ancient stories. Was this town then? Was it? 452 00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:57.719 Did there are towns still there or just ruins? No, there's a 453 00:37:57.800 --> 00:38:01.599 town still there, and the town is on one side. It's just a 454 00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:05.840 village. It's not a town. You know. These are small villages of 455 00:38:05.960 --> 00:38:13.880 people, maybe twenty houses, you know, a village people, and then 456 00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:16.280 are out on the outside will be their fields where they go out and they 457 00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:21.440 burn the jungle and they plant their crops. And a lot of times what 458 00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:25.719 you see in these small villages when you're traveling out there is you'll see the 459 00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:32.239 women walking with with a corn, you know, because they're going to most 460 00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:37.719 of these little villages will have places where they make tortillas and they have these 461 00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:40.559 machines, so the women will carry their corn in the morning, you know, 462 00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:45.960 to have their tortillas made, where a lot of them still make their 463 00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:51.719 own tortillas. A lot of them go to these almost ancient looking machines that 464 00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:58.039 make these tortillas, and they'll have their their peppers and various things along the 465 00:38:58.039 --> 00:39:02.480 side of the highway drying in the sun. I mean, you're not going 466 00:39:02.559 --> 00:39:07.119 to oh yeah, not talking about tourist areas. You're talking about, you 467 00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:12.400 know, very remote little villages that people don't go to. And those are 468 00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:16.639 the kind of places I wanted to search out as well as follow, you 469 00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:22.000 know, in the footsteps of Stephens and Catherwood, because Stephens and Catherwood when 470 00:39:22.039 --> 00:39:25.480 they went, you know, when they set sail from New York City, 471 00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:31.239 they landed in what was at that time called Belize City. Now Belieze City 472 00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:37.000 still exists, but at that time it was Honduras. It was British Honduras, 473 00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:42.639 and there was a civil war going on. There was a there was 474 00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:47.599 not only a civil war, going on between the Spanish and the natives. 475 00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:52.400 There was a war going on between the British and the Spanish over control of 476 00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:59.840 British Honduras, and then it ended up that the English got a whole, 477 00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:05.360 got a section called what is today known as Belize, and the Spanish got 478 00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:09.440 the section that was known as Honduras, and the native people were just kind 479 00:40:09.440 --> 00:40:14.840 of left out, you know, yeah, unfortunately. Yeah, so yeah, 480 00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:17.679 that little village. Did you ask them if the villagers knew of that 481 00:40:17.840 --> 00:40:22.719 story as well? Oh yes, oh yes, And they all told me, 482 00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:28.360 you know how they had the elders had had told them the wise men, 483 00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:31.360 they called them the wise men, many many years ago would see the 484 00:40:31.400 --> 00:40:37.480 craft come and it would it would come to that site and they would stay 485 00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:40.800 there for you know, several hours, and they would communicate with the wise 486 00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:46.320 men and and and so uh and then they would go back to the heavens 487 00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:50.280 or back to the starters. So that you know, it was a it 488 00:40:50.320 --> 00:40:57.760 was a common occurrence and in their great grandfather's day for these things to happen, 489 00:40:57.760 --> 00:41:00.519 and so they passed that word along. Wow. Interesting, And what 490 00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:05.320 do they think of them now? I mean, do they now have more 491 00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:13.000 contemporary ideas about this legend and that maybe these were aliens or something. Well, 492 00:41:13.039 --> 00:41:17.199 they believe that they they look upon them as as as you know, 493 00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:24.480 as as scott people as that came to visit them and to teach them things. 494 00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:30.840 Okay, I'm like, not not necessarily as ancestors. Now, the 495 00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:36.559 Zappa Tech, you know, they don't looks interesting about the Zapattech as they 496 00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:39.119 call themselves the rock people. They claim they came out of the rocks. 497 00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:47.679 But but you know, you go to other native groups in in Uh in 498 00:41:47.679 --> 00:41:52.760 that area and they call themselves the cloud people. They came out of the 499 00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:58.960 clouds you have, which would indicate the sky. And so you have a 500 00:41:59.039 --> 00:42:02.599 you know a lot of differ for accounts, and you certainly have to be 501 00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:08.519 aware of what group you're talking to, you know, in order to make 502 00:42:08.559 --> 00:42:14.000 sure that you get your story straight. Yeah. Interesting, So did a 503 00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:17.920 lot of the villages have similar stories? A lot of villages, you know. 504 00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:28.800 One of the stories that I was told was in Belize. There was 505 00:42:28.840 --> 00:42:32.480 a story that was going around in Belize called the Stone Woman of Belize, 506 00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:40.039 and legend goes back to the to the eighteen hundred twenty. Young man from 507 00:42:40.039 --> 00:42:45.199 one of the villages. One hunting, and he approached one of the ancient 508 00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:51.320 cities, and at the base of the castillo, which is the great pyramid. 509 00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:55.039 Beneath the base of the pyramid there was a cavern that went underneath it. 510 00:42:57.599 --> 00:43:04.239 And as he approached the caste so standing motionless before him was this beautiful 511 00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:10.039 statuesque may a woman dressed in a long white dress. The story was that 512 00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:15.000 she had red glowing eyes, and according to the hunter, she sparkled in 513 00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:21.599 the rays of the sun. He was so awestruck by her appearance that he 514 00:43:21.760 --> 00:43:25.760 threw his gun aside, and he ran to the village. And after the 515 00:43:25.079 --> 00:43:30.920 telling the people in the village about this woman of stone, several villagers, 516 00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:36.840 including the local shaman, went to the site. When they arrived at the 517 00:43:36.920 --> 00:43:39.880 large mound, they at the mouth of the cave. The stone woman had 518 00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:50.679 disappeared, but there have been repeated accounts that the stone woman reappeared over the 519 00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:54.760 last century. When I was there, there had been a recent account by 520 00:43:54.880 --> 00:44:01.159 local shaman that the stone woman was seen ascending into a large silver disk that 521 00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:06.960 hung over the ancient sight. Others who had been there said that they saw 522 00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:13.400 her climb the pyramid and disappear inside the walls of the pyramid, and Steevens 523 00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:16.280 and Catherine, the explorers I was following, They never followed. They never 524 00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:21.880 went into this village. But I, you know, I've kind of set 525 00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:27.239 up my schedules so that I had the freedom if I heard a story, 526 00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:34.199 I went in search of that story. So I made that trip and went 527 00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:38.880 in search of the Shamans who said he saw the UFO, And I found 528 00:44:38.920 --> 00:44:46.079 him, and he told me that the woman had such great power. His 529 00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:51.880 name was Albert Bitto, and he said that the woman had such great power 530 00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:58.760 that she transfixed the men that looked upon her, and that she made them 531 00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:06.440 believe that she disappeared, but that in fact, if you didn't look into 532 00:45:06.440 --> 00:45:12.519 her eyes, you saw that she was she was. She did not disappear. 533 00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:16.199 She was a skywoman. He said she was from the stars, and 534 00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:21.039 he saw her. He never looked into her eyes, he said. He 535 00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:24.119 said she was magnificent. She glowed like the stars. He said she was 536 00:45:24.239 --> 00:45:29.840 so beautiful. He said, I saw her descend from the craft on a 537 00:45:29.880 --> 00:45:32.639 beam of light, and she stood at the entrance of the pyramid, and 538 00:45:32.679 --> 00:45:37.000 then she disappeared inside the cave. But when she emerged. He said, 539 00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:40.440 she climbed to the top of the castillo, and a beam of light came 540 00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:45.599 down and she entered the craft just as she emerged from it. Wow. 541 00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:47.039 And I asked him, I said, well, were you the only witness? 542 00:45:47.079 --> 00:45:51.599 And he said, there were several others, but some of them said 543 00:45:51.679 --> 00:45:53.880 she disappeared inside the pyramid, he said. I did not see that, 544 00:45:54.679 --> 00:46:00.239 but I avoided her eyes, he said, and he said, if you 545 00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:04.519 looked at them, they she it gave her power over you. Wow. 546 00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:07.880 So, so, you know, those are the kind of stories that I 547 00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:13.119 was looking at, because this was an ancient legend, and here are still 548 00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:19.960 stories in those jungles and in those small villages of people who have you know, 549 00:46:20.079 --> 00:46:24.440 who seem to substantiate what those old stories say. Some people told me 550 00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:30.360 she was the Virgin Mary. You know, it was really interesting to see 551 00:46:30.440 --> 00:46:35.800 the interpretation. Many times. I found that a lot of the interpretation of 552 00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:40.719 some of the things they saw often had to do with their strong belief in 553 00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:47.400 Catholicism. Mm hm. You know. And did some of these legends predate 554 00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:54.920 Catholicism coming to the area, Yes, yeah, they did. This one 555 00:46:54.960 --> 00:47:00.679 did not because this legend, they said, dated back what I had been 556 00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:04.719 what I was told was it dated back to the eighteen hundreds. Interesting. 557 00:47:05.239 --> 00:47:14.119 So were there legends like this that you read in the Stevens and Catherwood. 558 00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:25.280 No, they were strictly you know, explorers in terms of geography and archaeology. 559 00:47:25.480 --> 00:47:32.880 In fact, Stevens is called the father of of of American archaeology. 560 00:47:32.480 --> 00:47:40.360 Wow. The was an architect by trade, and you know, and he 561 00:47:40.360 --> 00:47:45.199 he was the one who drew all these fantastic painted, all those fantastic pictures 562 00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:51.280 of those ancient villages that today are considered, you know, still the best 563 00:47:51.320 --> 00:47:54.719 depiction of those ancient cities of anybody who ever saw them. You know, 564 00:47:54.719 --> 00:48:01.599 and before the camera, before the advent of the camera, and H and 565 00:48:02.039 --> 00:48:06.480 I went to you know, they went to a lot of the big cities 566 00:48:07.159 --> 00:48:10.159 at the time they were there, you know, the time they traveled, 567 00:48:10.239 --> 00:48:15.639 you know, practically all of this area was jungle and they had to it 568 00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:21.480 was very difficult traveling for them where today, you know, there's more roads. 569 00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:23.719 There were times I, you know, my guide had to had to 570 00:48:23.840 --> 00:48:29.280 go knock on doors and ask people if I could go on their land and 571 00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:34.119 see these places, as Stephens and Catherine had village had visited. Uh, 572 00:48:34.199 --> 00:48:38.039 there were times that people would actually take me themselves when they found out what 573 00:48:38.119 --> 00:48:44.679 I was doing. But I you know, many times we just knocked on 574 00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:46.280 doors and said, you know, do you know where this place is? 575 00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:51.440 Or we believe this place is on your land because a lot, you know, 576 00:48:51.480 --> 00:49:00.360 the tourist areas that you know, like you know, cheats in It 577 00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:07.480 and polinqu and USCHML, those places you know, have been well developed. 578 00:49:07.519 --> 00:49:12.159 And of course Stevens and Catherwood went to all of those places, but those 579 00:49:12.159 --> 00:49:16.440 are the ones that tourists go to, you know. But they went to 580 00:49:16.519 --> 00:49:21.079 a lot of other places, and some of them literally have been destroyed. 581 00:49:21.480 --> 00:49:25.800 One of the things that the Spanish did and many many of those sites is 582 00:49:25.840 --> 00:49:30.000 they would go in and they would destroy the pyramids, and then they would 583 00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:36.440 take the stones from the pyramids and the cities and build churches with them, 584 00:49:37.159 --> 00:49:40.920 right and or build churches. They would level them and build churches upon the 585 00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:45.840 foundation with the stones that had been used by the Maya. So you know, 586 00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:51.239 you're dealing with that kind of thing as well. But it was an 587 00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:57.440 interesting journal journey and one that I will give the readers a totally different perspective 588 00:49:57.519 --> 00:50:02.079 on how our neighbors out of the border really look at, you know, 589 00:50:02.320 --> 00:50:14.840 UFOs and you know, and my interviews involved my youngest interview. He was 590 00:50:14.920 --> 00:50:19.239 he was twelve years old and one of the most amazing, amazing little boys. 591 00:50:19.880 --> 00:50:25.000 Miguel, he will always be in my heart. What did he share 592 00:50:25.039 --> 00:50:34.079 with you, Well, he sneaks me in to a site that had been 593 00:50:34.119 --> 00:50:38.039 closed off by the Mexican government. Shortly before I arrived there, there had 594 00:50:38.079 --> 00:50:46.639 been a battle between the feed rallies and the village people, and six village 595 00:50:46.679 --> 00:50:52.760 men had been killed, and I don't know, I think fifteen twenty had 596 00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:58.000 been wounded. But they had captured like seventy five federal rallies and were all 597 00:50:58.039 --> 00:51:01.960 holding them there, billy people. And so when I arrived in this village 598 00:51:02.239 --> 00:51:07.400 and I go to this site, and the reason they were fighting was because 599 00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:15.119 the local villagers wanted more control over the ancient city that was there, and 600 00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:20.360 the government was unwilling to give it to them. So when I went there, 601 00:51:20.800 --> 00:51:22.360 you know, the first thing that happened to me is they put a 602 00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:28.800 chain across the road and demanded fifty paysos to let me pass. Well, 603 00:51:28.840 --> 00:51:34.679 it was a you know, it was a state highway, but we paid 604 00:51:34.679 --> 00:51:38.239 the fifty paysos, you know, you know, and and we went on 605 00:51:38.360 --> 00:51:42.039 and when we got there, there's a big sign, you know, no 606 00:51:42.159 --> 00:51:46.199 trust passing. And so we're getting ready to leave, and this little little 607 00:51:46.239 --> 00:51:52.360 boy shows up on this ancient bicycle and says, I can take you in 608 00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:54.079 there. And it said, but it says no trust passing. And he 609 00:51:54.159 --> 00:51:58.360 says, well, that does some skinny difference. I could take you in 610 00:51:58.400 --> 00:52:01.119 there, and he does. He takes us into this site and takes us 611 00:52:01.159 --> 00:52:06.599 on a tour, and we climbed to the top of this pyramid and he 612 00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:08.320 he tells me, he says, if you would like to spend the night, 613 00:52:08.400 --> 00:52:12.960 you will see many strange things. And I said, well, and 614 00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:15.639 my driver is over there shaking his head. You know you are not going 615 00:52:15.719 --> 00:52:20.280 to spend the night here, because this is not a safe region to be 616 00:52:20.360 --> 00:52:22.559 in, you know, with a what's going on with the government and the 617 00:52:22.639 --> 00:52:28.719 soldiers and the ceder rallies and all this and the villagers. But he told 618 00:52:28.719 --> 00:52:37.760 me that his grandfather once talked they have anoe and it was only only snote 619 00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:43.599 within that whole region of Mexico. And he told me about how the the 620 00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:53.599 when his grandfather was a boy, that they came to that village and they 621 00:52:53.639 --> 00:53:00.400 they the they saw them go dive into the ocean, dive into the next 622 00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:02.119 day. I was sorry, not the ocean, dive into the snow day 623 00:53:02.159 --> 00:53:08.840 and go down. And his grandfather was convinced that they came there and these 624 00:53:08.840 --> 00:53:14.719 are men from the sky, came there and removed all these artifacts that were 625 00:53:14.760 --> 00:53:19.039 in the snow day. And for people who don't know, it's like a 626 00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:23.920 pit, right, and usually like access to a waterway or right. You 627 00:53:23.960 --> 00:53:28.920 know, the Yucatan is very dry, you know, it doesn't get it's 628 00:53:29.000 --> 00:53:31.320 it's very arid. A lot of the Yucatan is very arid, and so 629 00:53:31.400 --> 00:53:37.119 they have but they have these underground water pits that open up and people get 630 00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:40.039 their water from there, and I mean they're just beautiful, do you know. 631 00:53:42.199 --> 00:53:49.079 And so his grandfather had told him these stories and he said that one 632 00:53:49.239 --> 00:53:57.400 time this archaeologist came and he said he drained this snow day with approval of 633 00:53:57.400 --> 00:54:00.280 the government, and they didn't find anything. And then they came men to 634 00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:05.320 the village. They demanded that the villagers tell them, you know, if 635 00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:09.039 somebody had been looting things from this Sonote, and the villagers wouldn't cooperate. 636 00:54:09.079 --> 00:54:13.239 They wouldn't tell them anything about the men from the stars. He said, 637 00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:16.400 so, you know, and he said, if you will stay with me 638 00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:21.480 tonight, you will see the men from the stars because they come here. 639 00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:24.599 And every time he would say this, and he said, I said, 640 00:54:24.679 --> 00:54:29.960 well, I'll come back another time because my driver said it was just too 641 00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:32.599 unsafe to be there. And he said, well, you won't come back. 642 00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:37.760 No one ever comes back here. Once they've been here, they'll never 643 00:54:37.840 --> 00:54:42.800 return. But one day I do plan to go back there. Yeah, 644 00:54:43.280 --> 00:54:50.880 yeah, I want to find Miguel. And because he was certainly somewhat I'll 645 00:54:50.920 --> 00:54:57.119 never forget. Yeah, what an interesting story. So he was, he 646 00:54:57.199 --> 00:55:00.599 was such an amazing little boy, you know. Yeah, So I was 647 00:55:00.639 --> 00:55:04.239 going to say that, just like those pyramids that were kind of taken down 648 00:55:04.280 --> 00:55:08.280 and built into churches. I'm sure you probably ran across legends like that that 649 00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:15.880 were kind of the perspective of the old legend was changed to fit, uh, 650 00:55:16.039 --> 00:55:22.280 kind of the ideas of the church. Maybe you know, for instance, 651 00:55:22.519 --> 00:55:28.079 something that was seen early on and once the church comes in, it's 652 00:55:28.159 --> 00:55:38.079 translated as an angel or something I did encounter that m you know, you 653 00:55:38.119 --> 00:55:43.840 know, it's it was amazing sometimes that some of the some of the stories 654 00:55:43.840 --> 00:55:54.800 I would hear, they would say the priests had told them they were from 655 00:55:54.800 --> 00:56:00.199 the devil. Do you remember some of these stories. Do you remember some 656 00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:05.239 of the older stories. Well, these weren't older stories, these were contemporary 657 00:56:05.239 --> 00:56:14.760 stories. They would see they would see the h you know, the space 658 00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:17.639 ships or entities, and the priests told them, you know, they were 659 00:56:17.719 --> 00:56:22.360 the devil. They were it was the devil at work, and so they 660 00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:28.400 were very frightened because of that. Uh So, you know, I found 661 00:56:28.440 --> 00:56:36.440 that very interesting because what you're having there is a mixture of religion with you 662 00:56:36.480 --> 00:56:40.360 know, as an explanation of what they're seeing. And I didn't find that 663 00:56:40.480 --> 00:56:46.400 among American Indians, but I certainly found it among the Indians of Maso America. 664 00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:52.800 Now, did you ever talk to any priests that I did? And 665 00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:59.000 I wanted to tell you one of my drivers went to school. They grew 666 00:56:59.039 --> 00:57:01.159 up in the same village. He grew up in the same village with this 667 00:57:01.280 --> 00:57:07.320 priest. They were boys together in school and the priest actually told me that 668 00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:13.880 he went into the priesthood because of his experience. One night in his village, 669 00:57:13.920 --> 00:57:20.320 and he told me that when he was a boy. He said that 670 00:57:20.800 --> 00:57:27.039 he woke one night and there were lights in the village and he had never 671 00:57:27.159 --> 00:57:32.119 seen lights in his village because there was no such thing as electricity or anything 672 00:57:32.159 --> 00:57:37.360 like that in his small village. And he said, even when I closed 673 00:57:37.360 --> 00:57:40.920 my eyes, I could still see the lights. And he said he tried 674 00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:44.840 to wake his brothers, who were in the same bedroom with him, but 675 00:57:44.880 --> 00:57:50.320 he couldn't wake them. So he crawlsed out the window and he is immediately 676 00:57:50.480 --> 00:57:55.679 met by this alien and he asked them, are you from the stars? 677 00:57:55.719 --> 00:58:01.840 And the alien told him yes, and he said that that then uh. 678 00:58:01.880 --> 00:58:09.119 The alien put something up against his arm, and it's stune, and he 679 00:58:09.159 --> 00:58:14.679 said he asked him what he was doing to him, and he said nothing, 680 00:58:14.840 --> 00:58:19.159 is just so that I will always know where you are. And he 681 00:58:19.280 --> 00:58:30.000 said that he watched as all the people in his village were taken on board 682 00:58:30.039 --> 00:58:35.800 this spacecraft. And he said he sat on his log and he watched all 683 00:58:35.800 --> 00:58:42.079 of this going on. And he said that the that the that the alien 684 00:58:42.639 --> 00:58:46.480 came to him and asked him, why are you sitting here and watching this? 685 00:58:46.599 --> 00:58:51.920 He says, because I want to remember everything that happens tonight. And 686 00:58:51.960 --> 00:58:55.320 the alien told him, you will not remember, and he said, but 687 00:58:55.480 --> 00:59:02.360 I will remember. And he said most people do not remember, and if 688 00:59:02.360 --> 00:59:07.320 they do, it doesn't do them any good to tell their story because no 689 00:59:07.360 --> 00:59:13.079 one will believe them. And he said, So I decided that there's only 690 00:59:13.119 --> 00:59:17.199 one way I would know whether I was dreaming or not. And so he 691 00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:23.599 said. I picked up a rock that was between my feet, and when 692 00:59:23.599 --> 00:59:28.320 they left, I carried him back home. I crawled in the window and 693 00:59:28.360 --> 00:59:30.880 I placed it next to my sandals. And I got back in bed, 694 00:59:32.079 --> 00:59:35.880 and I figured, if next morning, if I get up, if the 695 00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:40.760 rock is beside my sandals, I wasn't dreaming. And if the rock was 696 00:59:40.880 --> 00:59:45.440 not there, then I was dreaming. And he said, when I got 697 00:59:45.519 --> 00:59:50.679 up the next morning, the rock was there. Interesting. And he said, 698 00:59:50.719 --> 00:59:54.800 I think that night made me decide to be a priest. He said, 699 00:59:54.840 --> 01:00:00.559 this space man gave me such a feeling of trust, kindness, and 700 01:00:00.639 --> 01:00:06.840 love that I wanted to pass that message along to others. Oh wow. 701 01:00:06.880 --> 01:00:10.639 Interesting. So he didn't feel anything malicious was going on, even though these 702 01:00:10.639 --> 01:00:15.000 people were being taken up into a craft and then returned. Yes, they 703 01:00:16.800 --> 01:00:22.679 and so you know, Matteo was my driver. He took me to meet 704 01:00:22.760 --> 01:00:29.840 him because, like I said, they were childhood friends together. And Father 705 01:00:29.880 --> 01:00:34.360 Filippe told me, you know, his story, and I don't doubt for 706 01:00:34.599 --> 01:00:37.599 one minute that this priest wasn't telling me the truth. And he didn't think 707 01:00:37.639 --> 01:00:43.159 they were demons, no, oh no, yeah no. But you know, 708 01:00:43.280 --> 01:00:47.119 it varied from village to village where there were larger, larger villages, 709 01:00:47.960 --> 01:00:52.199 and there seemed to be competition. You know, a lot of what's happening 710 01:00:52.280 --> 01:01:00.079 in like in Mexico, for example, a lot of the Pentecostal religion and 711 01:01:00.159 --> 01:01:09.599 they're moving in and they are taking a lot of the congregation away from the 712 01:01:09.639 --> 01:01:17.320 Catholic Church. The difference being is that the Catholic Church, if you have 713 01:01:17.480 --> 01:01:22.679 ceremonies, basically you have to pay for well for the poor people, it's 714 01:01:22.800 --> 01:01:28.760 very hard to pay. Where if you go to a Pentecostal church, they 715 01:01:28.760 --> 01:01:34.480 feed you because all the people around the world are donating money to those churches 716 01:01:34.519 --> 01:01:37.239 and they go out and they feed the people. Well, if you feed 717 01:01:37.280 --> 01:01:40.559 the people, they're going to come, especially if you don't have a lot 718 01:01:40.559 --> 01:01:47.880 of food. I remember a story that was told to me years and years 719 01:01:47.880 --> 01:01:57.280 ago on a Pine Ridge Indian reservation, an elder told me that the priest 720 01:01:57.360 --> 01:02:00.559 on the reservation had come and you know, had told them, now, 721 01:02:00.320 --> 01:02:07.079 tomorrow night is Christmas Eve, and you have to come to the church because 722 01:02:10.800 --> 01:02:19.719 you're going to see Santa Claus. And he said, so, we we 723 01:02:19.880 --> 01:02:25.760 thought Santa clausus Jesus because he was always talking about Jesus. And he said, 724 01:02:27.000 --> 01:02:31.079 so we all go down to the church to see Jesus because we don't 725 01:02:31.119 --> 01:02:36.519 know the difference between Santa Claus and Jesus Jesus. And he said, that's 726 01:02:36.519 --> 01:02:39.280 why the word in Lacota was the same word for Jesus as it was for 727 01:02:39.360 --> 01:02:45.480 Santa Claus. That's funny, and yeah, and I think that's that's what 728 01:02:45.639 --> 01:02:51.039 happens in a lot of the indigenous cultures, is that religion will come in 729 01:02:51.639 --> 01:02:55.199 and they'll hear these stories and they're not sure what they're hearing or not or 730 01:02:55.239 --> 01:03:00.239 trying to make sense out of it in their own culture, and so it 731 01:03:00.360 --> 01:03:07.119 becomes something that is not intended. But as as long as it can control 732 01:03:07.199 --> 01:03:10.559 people, sometimes maybe that's you know, that's all they care. But the 733 01:03:10.559 --> 01:03:17.960 Pentecostals are making a huge inroad into pulling people away from the Catholic Church and 734 01:03:19.119 --> 01:03:27.840 the Pentecostals. The Catholics have done more, I think in terms of four 735 01:03:28.880 --> 01:03:37.039 accepting the Maya religion and incorporated it into their teachings than the Pentecostals, because 736 01:03:37.239 --> 01:03:42.199 the Pentecostals will tell them everything they do is of the devil, but the 737 01:03:42.239 --> 01:03:49.199 Catholic Church doesn't say that to them, and it doesn't term the the sky 738 01:03:49.360 --> 01:03:53.239 visitors, or the star people or the aliens as devils, where the Pentecostals 739 01:03:53.280 --> 01:03:58.199 do. Now, I don't know if if you feel this way, but 740 01:03:58.280 --> 01:04:00.440 it seems I don't know that that's true across the board. But of all 741 01:04:00.519 --> 01:04:04.320 the people, I know that was true. Yeah, although it seems like 742 01:04:04.519 --> 01:04:09.960 native peoples and and I don't know if it's the same down there are not 743 01:04:10.119 --> 01:04:18.440 as dogmatic. It's almost like not understanding kind of the heart and fast rules 744 01:04:18.519 --> 01:04:25.320 that are the hard dogmas of some religions. Well, I agree, you 745 01:04:25.400 --> 01:04:32.559 know, I think they and that that's that's the reason why I think that 746 01:04:32.559 --> 01:04:39.760 that in many of these villages you'll find the Catholic priest working along with you 747 01:04:39.760 --> 01:04:45.239 know, the local shaman or the local healer or the you know, the 748 01:04:45.320 --> 01:04:48.119 local wise man. You know, I heard him called a lot of different 749 01:04:48.159 --> 01:04:55.079 things, you know, wise men, the healers, the shaman. And 750 01:04:55.159 --> 01:04:59.280 I always think of shaman as being more of a of an English term, 751 01:04:59.559 --> 01:05:04.639 you know, than than a local term. But you'll hear them use that 752 01:05:04.679 --> 01:05:10.159 word on occasion, you know, the local shaman. And I've even heard, 753 01:05:10.639 --> 01:05:14.239 you know. I was in one village in Honduras where a native woman 754 01:05:14.280 --> 01:05:20.519 approached me and she she had told me that that the local priest had predicted 755 01:05:20.559 --> 01:05:25.239 my coming to their village. Wow, And I said, you mean the 756 01:05:25.360 --> 01:05:27.719 Catholic priest, and she says, oh, no, no, no, 757 01:05:27.800 --> 01:05:31.519 she says, I live in the mountains, and in the mountains our priest, 758 01:05:31.639 --> 01:05:34.880 the priest, we have the local priests. So she was talking about 759 01:05:34.880 --> 01:05:42.920 a name, so they even call them priests sometimes. But the native priest 760 01:05:42.960 --> 01:05:45.880 have predicted that that I would be there, And she goes on to tell 761 01:05:45.920 --> 01:05:51.599 me how she knows I'm the person that he predicted would come. There's a 762 01:05:51.599 --> 01:05:58.119 lot of superstition intermingled too, you know, when you start talking to people 763 01:06:00.039 --> 01:06:03.039 about different explanations of what they have seen, and you know what is going 764 01:06:03.079 --> 01:06:08.079 on. But the bottom line is, and of course too, you know, 765 01:06:08.239 --> 01:06:15.000 I mean a lot of the descriptions they described these Some describe the spacecraft 766 01:06:15.159 --> 01:06:19.320 like pro Paine tanks. Well, we all know that, you know, 767 01:06:19.519 --> 01:06:30.119 we've heard the cigar shaped yeah craft. But their best way of describing it 768 01:06:30.199 --> 01:06:34.000 is like a pro Paine tank, because that's what they're familiar with. Yeah. 769 01:06:34.119 --> 01:06:41.360 Really interesting. Now with the shamans or the wise men that you've talked 770 01:06:41.400 --> 01:06:45.559 to, you know, in these rural areas, are they mostly all accepting 771 01:06:45.800 --> 01:06:49.440 or even do they take it for granted that there are sky people, that 772 01:06:49.440 --> 01:06:57.400 there's people coming from the sky's interacting really? Yeah? Absolutely do they mostly, 773 01:06:57.440 --> 01:07:03.719 if not all, have their own stories. I think it depends more 774 01:07:03.719 --> 01:07:10.559 on the village that you go to, because it's generally the stories are generally 775 01:07:10.599 --> 01:07:15.400 related to a particular village, and not all the stories that not all you 776 01:07:15.440 --> 01:07:18.920 know by fire. Over half of the villages that would you know, you 777 01:07:19.039 --> 01:07:26.719 go to Polink for example, now Polinki, there's an old story that's told 778 01:07:27.000 --> 01:07:36.119 around Polink that there was a bean that came to Polink and that this bean 779 01:07:36.679 --> 01:07:41.760 built this structure and he would get in it and it would take him to 780 01:07:41.840 --> 01:07:47.159 the stars, and he ruled Polenka while it was being built. And that 781 01:07:47.920 --> 01:07:55.119 Polink was supposed to be the place where all the knowledge of the universe was 782 01:07:55.440 --> 01:07:59.760 to be stored. But after Polink was built, the people who build it 783 01:08:00.159 --> 01:08:04.280 used to live, so it never became the storage center. Now, the 784 01:08:04.360 --> 01:08:12.719 Hope say that to the south of Hope Land there is a red city that 785 01:08:12.840 --> 01:08:17.359 contains all the knowledge of the universe. Well, the Red City to the 786 01:08:17.399 --> 01:08:25.600 south of the Hope Land is the link. So there's so much connection with 787 01:08:25.720 --> 01:08:30.479 all of these different legends that you know, if you study history and I 788 01:08:30.039 --> 01:08:33.760 you know, I have a degree in history. I love history. Yeah, 789 01:08:33.960 --> 01:08:39.720 you know, you start seeing those connections and you start, you know, 790 01:08:40.840 --> 01:08:45.359 seeing that you know, there has to be more than just that we 791 01:08:45.439 --> 01:08:49.960 are on this earth. Well, it's interesting too that the Native Americans in 792 01:08:50.000 --> 01:08:55.640 the US, you know, it seems like and maybe even Canada you would 793 01:08:55.640 --> 01:08:59.720 know better, all the way down to meso America what you're describing now, 794 01:09:00.199 --> 01:09:05.960 have a similar idea that these beings came come and go periodically to teach us 795 01:09:06.000 --> 01:09:15.840 things. Absolutely. I was told by one elder a really fascinating story of 796 01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:24.439 how the aliens live among us, and he said they come for sixteen they 797 01:09:24.479 --> 01:09:34.199 come every sixteen years and they stay and they assume our you know, they 798 01:09:34.279 --> 01:09:43.079 can assume to look like humans, they assume the identity of humans. They 799 01:09:43.079 --> 01:09:45.520 work with our scientists, they work with our medical people, they work with 800 01:09:45.560 --> 01:09:53.079 our leaders, and nobody ever knows the difference. And then they're gone for 801 01:09:53.439 --> 01:09:58.840 sixteen years. They said, in two thousands they left the planet Earth. 802 01:09:59.319 --> 01:10:04.960 They will be back in twenty sixteen. Cool, and so he said that 803 01:10:05.239 --> 01:10:12.399 hopefully the world will survive that long until they come back and they can set 804 01:10:12.439 --> 01:10:16.319 us on the right path again. M Yeah, it's just so interesting how 805 01:10:16.359 --> 01:10:23.199 similar that concept is throughout all of the different you know, because being here 806 01:10:23.199 --> 01:10:29.399 in the Southwest, we you know, and having an interest in this stuff 807 01:10:29.600 --> 01:10:33.399 myself. Yeah, throughout the years, it's a similar kind of story. 808 01:10:34.920 --> 01:10:44.479 Have you have you ever seen the hand print on various pictographs and things throughout 809 01:10:44.560 --> 01:10:47.520 the Southwest. Yeah. My mom, in fact, was the superintendent at 810 01:10:47.560 --> 01:10:53.359 Petroglyphs National Park in Albuquerque where they have a lot of them, and we 811 01:10:53.399 --> 01:11:00.520 would go visit sites throughout especially the Southwest. Well, I was in place 812 01:11:00.800 --> 01:11:12.399 in Guatemala and my driver, Matteo and I we we just we had I 813 01:11:12.479 --> 01:11:15.319 had spent the night at his sister's house, and he had he had taken 814 01:11:15.359 --> 01:11:19.520 me to meet his sister because she was an English teacher in a high school 815 01:11:19.520 --> 01:11:25.680 and she liked talking to English speakers and and so I was invited to her 816 01:11:25.720 --> 01:11:30.800 house for dinner, and and she had some teenage daughters and I got you 817 01:11:30.840 --> 01:11:34.279 know, they had a story to tell. And so I spent the night 818 01:11:34.319 --> 01:11:39.680 there at her house, and the next I actually ended up spending a couple 819 01:11:39.640 --> 01:11:45.840 of days there in the countryside. And so when we started back to Guatemala 820 01:11:45.960 --> 01:11:47.119 City, he said, you know, would you like to take some side 821 01:11:47.199 --> 01:11:50.600 roads And we came upon this we pulled off the road. She had packed 822 01:11:50.640 --> 01:11:54.119 us at lunch, and so we pulled off the road and we were sitting 823 01:11:54.119 --> 01:12:00.520 there eating and and this maya elder for the name of yaqu He. He 824 01:12:00.760 --> 01:12:05.600 came to where we were sitting and he said, he introduced himself, and 825 01:12:05.680 --> 01:12:11.279 he said, basically was wondering what we were doing there. And he said, 826 01:12:11.279 --> 01:12:13.479 well, you know, this is the site of an ancient city in 827 01:12:13.520 --> 01:12:15.640 the jungle. But he says, most people don't even know it's here. 828 01:12:16.640 --> 01:12:24.239 And he explained to me that one time the government had said they were going 829 01:12:24.720 --> 01:12:29.520 to reconstruct and rebuild a city and open it to tourists. They said. 830 01:12:29.520 --> 01:12:34.680 They even came on to the land and they build a caretaker's suite, but 831 01:12:34.720 --> 01:12:39.399 then they abandoned it. So he had been in the US. He had 832 01:12:39.439 --> 01:12:44.000 illegally been in the US. He had gotten enough money. It saved enough 833 01:12:44.000 --> 01:12:49.279 money to build his mother a home and his siblings, and so he when 834 01:12:49.279 --> 01:12:54.560 his caretaker's place was abandoned, he literally moved into it took it over. 835 01:12:55.000 --> 01:12:58.800 So he was kind of the protector of this old ancient site, and he 836 01:12:58.840 --> 01:13:04.600 would chase people who were trying to steal the stuff. And nobody ever questioned 837 01:13:04.600 --> 01:13:09.239 his authority, you know, I mean he lived there, and he even 838 01:13:09.319 --> 01:13:14.600 had a little library. He showed me his little library of English books and 839 01:13:14.600 --> 01:13:18.560 and he spoke very good English. And and when I gave him some books 840 01:13:20.119 --> 01:13:26.159 to add I always carry a lot of paperbacks with me, and I gave 841 01:13:26.199 --> 01:13:29.920 him some books to add to his collection. And he said, now I 842 01:13:30.000 --> 01:13:33.439 will show you around. That's my gift to you. So he took You 843 01:13:33.439 --> 01:13:42.560 know, we came upon this this one particular structure, and it was he 844 01:13:42.600 --> 01:13:45.920 had built a wooden bench in front of him, and it was a stone 845 01:13:45.079 --> 01:13:49.600 edifice, and unlike many of the other structures of the site. There there 846 01:13:49.720 --> 01:13:54.279 was nothing more than that was nothing more than a pound mounds of rubble. 847 01:13:54.359 --> 01:13:58.920 This was a standing structure with a smooth arch over the doorway. But there 848 01:13:58.920 --> 01:14:03.399 were painted red hands decorating the facade. And he said to me, I 849 01:14:03.520 --> 01:14:09.720 built this bench because I like to come here early in the morning and communicate 850 01:14:10.720 --> 01:14:14.600 with the Shining Ones. He said this was the altar of the Shining Ones. 851 01:14:15.319 --> 01:14:17.000 And I said, well, who are the Shining Ones? And he 852 01:14:17.000 --> 01:14:20.920 said, well, they're the space people or the sky gods, or whatever 853 01:14:20.960 --> 01:14:26.800 you want to call them. He said, extraterrestials, aliens. They are 854 01:14:26.840 --> 01:14:30.680 the ones who left their handprints, and he said you'll see them all over 855 01:14:30.720 --> 01:14:34.520 the world. And then he explained to me that you know there are sixty 856 01:14:34.680 --> 01:14:40.560 seven he said, the Shining people tell him that there's sixty seven solar systems 857 01:14:40.600 --> 01:14:47.720 in a confederation, and that there are thousands of spacecraft that circle the Earth 858 01:14:48.079 --> 01:14:55.920 at any given time. But he says, our technology doesn't see them. 859 01:14:56.239 --> 01:14:59.960 And that's when he told me about the people who lived all over the Earth 860 01:15:00.159 --> 01:15:05.239 and how they rotate and they come on a sixteen year cycle, and he 861 01:15:05.359 --> 01:15:11.159 said they left in two thousand and they will return in two thousand and sixteen. 862 01:15:13.000 --> 01:15:17.279 Interesting, I know, and you know, and this was just happenstance 863 01:15:17.399 --> 01:15:23.000 that we happened. And he also he said that the Brothers of the Red 864 01:15:23.039 --> 01:15:26.479 Hand, he called them the Brothers of the Red Hand, that they traveled 865 01:15:26.479 --> 01:15:30.000 the universe, and they left their imprints everywhere place they went. And he 866 01:15:30.039 --> 01:15:35.359 said the Brothers of the Red Hand were sky men who traveled throughout the universe, 867 01:15:35.439 --> 01:15:39.279 not only the Earth, but they were collecting knowledge of the universe, 868 01:15:40.680 --> 01:15:44.039 and they held the secrets of the origins of all the peoples of the Earth. 869 01:15:45.319 --> 01:15:51.159 Mars Rover took a picture of a handprint like that, isn't that interesting? 870 01:15:53.319 --> 01:15:56.720 I heard about it, but I've never been able to find it on 871 01:15:56.800 --> 01:16:00.600 the internet. They must be there someplace that would be neat Yeah, how 872 01:16:01.079 --> 01:16:04.399 fun, I mean, how adventurous of you to go do this. And 873 01:16:04.880 --> 01:16:09.079 you must have spent a lot of time then down there, Oh I did 874 01:16:09.159 --> 01:16:14.640 I've spent I've spent probably if you put it all together, maybe three or 875 01:16:14.680 --> 01:16:17.520 four years in that part of the country. You know. One of one 876 01:16:17.560 --> 01:16:20.960 of the things is if I go to a village and then the next time 877 01:16:21.039 --> 01:16:24.760 I went, I go back to the same village. You know, I 878 01:16:24.920 --> 01:16:30.439 was able to to get the trust of people, and I had wonderful people 879 01:16:30.479 --> 01:16:34.039 who helped me. I mean, you know, I couldn't say anymore, 880 01:16:34.199 --> 01:16:44.279 you know, but you know I interviewed them before I went. I you 881 01:16:44.359 --> 01:16:47.439 know, really took a lot of time in deciding, you know, who 882 01:16:47.520 --> 01:16:54.279 I want. I wanted people that if they if if I could find them, 883 01:16:54.319 --> 01:16:58.439 that were part indigenous. I wanted people that could at least speak one 884 01:16:58.520 --> 01:17:01.760 of the indigenous languages of that area, you know that I would be traveling 885 01:17:01.800 --> 01:17:08.560 to. And because you know, there's like fifteen different dialects of you know, 886 01:17:08.680 --> 01:17:12.640 of the Maya, and so you know, it was really important that 887 01:17:13.079 --> 01:17:16.279 you know that when I go into villages and I talk to people, because 888 01:17:16.439 --> 01:17:19.399 obviously, you know, a lot of the people who don't even speak Spanish, 889 01:17:19.880 --> 01:17:25.159 you know, they speak their native language, and I mean they have 890 01:17:25.319 --> 01:17:28.479 no reason they don't see that. You know, when you get down in 891 01:17:28.560 --> 01:17:31.960 the Yucatan. Very example, they'll say, they'll talk about the Mexicans mm 892 01:17:32.039 --> 01:17:35.960 hm, and you don't have that. They'll say, you know, we 893 01:17:36.079 --> 01:17:40.119 better get out of here because all these Mexicans are coming. And the first 894 01:17:40.159 --> 01:17:42.319 time they said that to me. I thought it was the funniest thing I'd 895 01:17:42.319 --> 01:17:44.359 ever heard. And I said, well, what do you call yourself? 896 01:17:44.760 --> 01:17:47.720 And they said, well, we're the Ukatakans, We're not Mexicans. And 897 01:17:47.880 --> 01:17:50.720 of course they got all the Dayta back to the cast wars, you know, 898 01:17:50.880 --> 01:17:57.279 and and of course the Yucatan is mostly populated by the native people, 899 01:17:57.479 --> 01:18:00.840 you know. I mean, I don't think people realize that that. Unlike 900 01:18:01.159 --> 01:18:08.720 America, Mexico has a lot of indigenous people who still live kind of in 901 01:18:09.199 --> 01:18:14.560 the way they have for for millennia and speak different languages. And there's a 902 01:18:14.640 --> 01:18:20.039 lot of them out there, fifteen million in Mexico, So you know, 903 01:18:20.119 --> 01:18:24.600 you and and a lot of them. And that's just Maya. We're not 904 01:18:24.800 --> 01:18:29.680 talking about, you know, all the other right, you know groups. 905 01:18:29.760 --> 01:18:32.680 I mean, you know, you go up into the Chiapas, you know, 906 01:18:32.840 --> 01:18:38.279 that's where you know, you walked up down the streets of the Chiapas, 907 01:18:38.319 --> 01:18:41.560 and what you see are Indian Indian people, you don't. You know, 908 01:18:42.199 --> 01:18:45.399 you'll see a few tourists, but it's a town of native people. 909 01:18:46.039 --> 01:18:49.479 I mean, a city of native people, not a town. You know, 910 01:18:49.600 --> 01:18:56.239 when you when you get up into the you know, into that part 911 01:18:56.279 --> 01:19:01.399 of the world and the Chiapas the state, not the city. You know. 912 01:19:01.920 --> 01:19:06.039 So you took these stories and you put them together in a book that's 913 01:19:06.079 --> 01:19:10.319 going to be coming out pretty soon here, it's going to be coming out 914 01:19:10.399 --> 01:19:15.439 in December, okay, and it's already elicted for pre order on Amazon dot 915 01:19:15.520 --> 01:19:21.520 com. Okay. Perfect. And when you put these stories together, was 916 01:19:21.560 --> 01:19:27.359 there a pattern that arose for you or or some overall kind of discoveries that 917 01:19:27.479 --> 01:19:38.039 you made. Well, I think you know, when you you you examine, 918 01:19:41.800 --> 01:19:44.039 you know, the stories, if you look at them as a whole, 919 01:19:44.800 --> 01:19:50.079 you know, you see themes that run throughout. You know, you 920 01:19:50.279 --> 01:19:56.079 see so many of the stories that I was told. For example, the 921 01:19:56.239 --> 01:20:01.720 first thing they saw were balls of light, and those balls of life transmorphed 922 01:20:01.800 --> 01:20:14.760 into human like entities. I think that was a common thread I came across 923 01:20:15.760 --> 01:20:21.840 people who, uh, you know, I think one of the most unique 924 01:20:21.880 --> 01:20:26.800 things, and I'd like to get this this point across, is that, 925 01:20:26.960 --> 01:20:31.960 you know, in a lot of the legends, a lot of the indigenous 926 01:20:32.000 --> 01:20:41.439 groups, including the Aztecs, believe that the Spaniards were gods when they came 927 01:20:41.520 --> 01:20:45.960 to Mexico in that area, came to Meso America, they thought they were 928 01:20:45.000 --> 01:20:51.479 gods. And I spoke with one elder who reminded me that the Maya had 929 01:20:51.680 --> 01:21:00.720 never viewed the Spaniards as gods. They never viewed them as technology technologically advanced. 930 01:21:00.760 --> 01:21:06.000 He said, we knew technologically advanced civilizations because we came from one. 931 01:21:08.520 --> 01:21:15.399 We never viewed the Spaniards as superior to us. And I think that sets 932 01:21:15.600 --> 01:21:20.319 the Maya apart from all the other people I've interviewed mm hm, you know, 933 01:21:20.520 --> 01:21:30.199 because that speaks statements and volumes. I think of how the Maya believed 934 01:21:30.239 --> 01:21:34.079 in themselves, you know, and how they did not recognize the White Man 935 01:21:34.159 --> 01:21:39.680 as gods. The other thing I think that is so unique is that half 936 01:21:39.760 --> 01:21:44.399 of the elders that I interviewed told me that the Maya were not thisted, 937 01:21:45.119 --> 01:21:51.840 that that the ancient cities were not built by ancient astronauts, that the ancient 938 01:21:53.000 --> 01:21:58.000 cities, that they themselves were descendants of the of the sky people who came 939 01:21:58.039 --> 01:22:03.039 here. Those people lived on this earth, and they were their descendants, 940 01:22:03.079 --> 01:22:09.880 and they were who the Maya are. They brought their knowledge with him. 941 01:22:10.159 --> 01:22:16.239 They never There is nowhere in their legends or their stories about somebody coming and 942 01:22:16.760 --> 01:22:24.520 teaching them how to live or anything. They brought that knowledge with him when 943 01:22:24.560 --> 01:22:32.800 they came, and that is probably the strongest information I received that would validate 944 01:22:35.760 --> 01:22:41.520 their beliefs that they came from the stars. Yeah. How interesting, really 945 01:22:41.680 --> 01:22:45.600 interesting stuff. And the consistencies like the balls of light, you know, 946 01:22:45.720 --> 01:22:53.039 turning into human humanoid forms are things that are reported and possible alien encounters, 947 01:22:53.760 --> 01:22:56.920 but also in ghost stories, you know, you hear that a lot too. 948 01:22:58.279 --> 01:23:00.199 Really interesting. Well, thank you, thank you so much for coming 949 01:23:00.279 --> 01:23:04.239 on the show again and sharing all of this, and I to talk to 950 01:23:04.239 --> 01:23:09.560 you for two or three hours about this, you know, because absolutely it 951 01:23:09.680 --> 01:23:13.720 was just wonderful. Yeah, it sounds like it. And luckily, because 952 01:23:13.720 --> 01:23:15.439 I know people love your last book, I think people are going to find 953 01:23:15.479 --> 01:23:19.720 this really fascinating. And it looks like the book will be out in time 954 01:23:19.840 --> 01:23:26.239 for Christmas. It looks like about December twenty second sylla, and you're going 955 01:23:26.319 --> 01:23:30.079 to hear about missing time. You're going to hear about like pregnancies. You 956 01:23:30.119 --> 01:23:35.520 will hear about physical examinations, abductions, and personal interaction with aliens. Wow. 957 01:23:35.720 --> 01:23:44.479 The difference is that it's all described within their cultural context, and which 958 01:23:44.600 --> 01:23:57.800 is really brings a unique type of take on the UFO research. Yeah, 959 01:23:57.960 --> 01:24:01.359 really cool. So uh sound really interesting. So I'll have to bring you 960 01:24:01.479 --> 01:24:04.159 on again. I mean, it hasn't been too long, sad, so 961 01:24:04.319 --> 01:24:08.800 we'll have to have you on again to talk about those things. But thank 962 01:24:08.840 --> 01:24:12.079 you so much, and good luck with the book, and you have great 963 01:24:12.119 --> 01:24:17.399 holidays you too, and all your listeners out there are happy holidays. Thank 964 01:24:17.479 --> 01:24:21.880 you so much to Artie six Killer Clark for being on the show yet again. 965 01:24:23.199 --> 01:24:27.319 Very interesting, you know, just it's fun to hear from her because 966 01:24:27.600 --> 01:24:32.159 you get this picture of being down there in Central America and visiting these little 967 01:24:32.359 --> 01:24:39.760 villages in between, you know, and the same place as all of these 968 01:24:40.039 --> 01:24:46.640 incredible Aztec and Mayan ruins. So it's got to be really incredible so experience 969 01:24:46.720 --> 01:24:49.760 and to live out there, it's just so weird. It's just kind of 970 01:24:49.840 --> 01:24:55.920 surreal that we have these amazing ruins out there, many of which I know 971 01:24:56.319 --> 01:25:01.399 are still uncovered, and of which you have all these little villages of people 972 01:25:01.560 --> 01:25:05.800 living around there in all of these legends, and then it's so interesting. 973 01:25:05.880 --> 01:25:12.199 We're having Clifford Mahodi speak at the UFO Congress this year, and he speaks 974 01:25:12.239 --> 01:25:17.479 about similar things that the Zuni believe that Artie is saying about these people in 975 01:25:17.560 --> 01:25:24.520 Mesoamerica. So the similarities are really striking, very very interesting stuff. So 976 01:25:24.600 --> 01:25:29.479 it's great to talk to her. I definitely I've already pre ordered my book 977 01:25:29.520 --> 01:25:32.479 from her, so I recommend that everybody do that. But you can go 978 01:25:32.680 --> 01:25:39.880 to her site six killer dot com and see more about her, and she 979 01:25:39.960 --> 01:25:43.000 doesn't have a link there yet to her new book, but you can go 980 01:25:43.079 --> 01:25:47.359 to Amazon and look up Arty six Killer and you'll see her book there and 981 01:25:47.479 --> 01:25:51.239 you can pre order. It's only like fifteen bucks. You know, it 982 01:25:51.359 --> 01:25:55.920 was like less than twenty bucks, but if you have Amazon Prime, I 983 01:25:55.960 --> 01:25:59.119 think you get free shipping or something. So yeah, it's a great price 984 01:25:59.199 --> 01:26:01.800 and it sounds like some incredible story, so really cool. Thank you so 985 01:26:01.960 --> 01:26:06.640 much for Artie for being on the show again. Well you heard from Jason. 986 01:26:06.720 --> 01:26:10.760 It sounds like we will have a spacing out this week, but we'll 987 01:26:10.800 --> 01:26:14.119 definitely have one next week. And if you didn't see it, we had 988 01:26:14.199 --> 01:26:20.479 one last week where we talked some more about Tom Carry and these slides of 989 01:26:20.560 --> 01:26:25.800 an alien from Roswell, So we talked about that, talked a little bit 990 01:26:25.880 --> 01:26:30.720 more about that controversy and what's going on there, and it should be sometime 991 01:26:30.800 --> 01:26:35.079 early next year that they'll be revealing these slides themselves and some more information, 992 01:26:35.279 --> 01:26:40.279 so we'll keep you up to date to that, and we're keeping a close 993 01:26:40.520 --> 01:26:45.800 pulse on this, so you can be sure that as soon as those pictures 994 01:26:45.920 --> 01:26:50.119 make it out, we will get those out on our website with all the 995 01:26:50.199 --> 01:26:55.640 analysis that is known at the time, so we'll get that to you and 996 01:26:56.279 --> 01:27:00.720 we will keep a very close eye on how this develops, and hopefully there's 997 01:27:00.760 --> 01:27:03.920 something to it. Don Schmidt was just here at Phoenix Move On and I 998 01:27:04.000 --> 01:27:06.880 talked to him a little bit about it, and he thinks, you know, 999 01:27:08.039 --> 01:27:13.680 that this may be something worth looking at. So we're excited for that. 1000 01:27:13.840 --> 01:27:16.479 Hopefully it is. But I don't think you can help but be a 1001 01:27:16.520 --> 01:27:19.800 little skeptical because so many times we hear, oh, great stuff and it 1002 01:27:19.840 --> 01:27:24.039 doesn't turn out to be. But what will be great stuff? And I 1003 01:27:24.119 --> 01:27:29.000 think we can absolutely guarantee this is a UFO Congress because we're so excited we're 1004 01:27:29.039 --> 01:27:31.680 gonna have Bob Lazar. He was on with George Napp last night, and 1005 01:27:31.880 --> 01:27:39.239 Jeremy Corbell was also on who George Napp is as friends with and very excited 1006 01:27:39.239 --> 01:27:44.720 about as well, because Jeremy's done some really cool documentaries of which will be 1007 01:27:45.279 --> 01:27:48.840 revealed premiered for the first time ever at the UFO Congress, So you got 1008 01:27:48.960 --> 01:27:54.399 to check this out. So you'll see Jeremy's documentaries, you'll see Bob Lazar, 1009 01:27:54.960 --> 01:27:59.000 you'll see a lot of really great speakers, So it's going to be 1010 01:27:59.159 --> 01:28:03.760 a lot of fun. Go to Ufocongress dot com for more and you can 1011 01:28:03.880 --> 01:28:09.079 register there and just keep an eye at Open Mindset TV of course for more 1012 01:28:09.159 --> 01:28:13.439 news and information on that as well. We're selling out so quick people. 1013 01:28:13.560 --> 01:28:17.840 Tickets are really going fast and we really do have limited space, so register 1014 01:28:18.119 --> 01:28:24.359 as soon as possible and you'll want to check that out. That's going to 1015 01:28:24.399 --> 01:28:28.840 be a lot of fun. Thank you to Caleb Hanks, who does the 1016 01:28:28.960 --> 01:28:31.840 opening and closed music. You can find out more about him at clerk Chronicles 1017 01:28:31.880 --> 01:28:36.159 dot com. He says that he's going to have some more music out as 1018 01:28:36.279 --> 01:28:40.880 well, and he usually offers that music for free. And I think it's 1019 01:28:40.960 --> 01:28:43.800 really cool music. I mean I really like it. I listened to it 1020 01:28:43.880 --> 01:28:48.039 periodically. You can also go to the Open Minds radio website and you'll see 1021 01:28:48.079 --> 01:28:54.199 a link to that. Thanks to the PSN network for having us on, 1022 01:28:54.439 --> 01:28:58.640 thanks to podcast Ufo who has us on the show regularly. And we're going 1023 01:28:58.720 --> 01:29:01.960 to be on end f Day's video soon and Roam Radio a couple interviews we're 1024 01:29:02.000 --> 01:29:05.279 going to be doing. So it's really fun to talk to the meet community 1025 01:29:05.359 --> 01:29:10.199 and stay in touch with everybody and share our information with anybody who wants to 1026 01:29:10.479 --> 01:29:14.760 share it. So but you can get it firsthand and stay up to speed 1027 01:29:14.840 --> 01:29:17.840 at open minds dot tv and also on our YouTube, of which we put 1028 01:29:17.880 --> 01:29:23.600 out a great Travis Walton video last week. I wrote a Huffington Post Post 1029 01:29:23.720 --> 01:29:28.800 blog on it because it shows some of the visits, so the night SkyWatch 1030 01:29:28.880 --> 01:29:33.479 that we did and some interviews with Travis, and at the courthouse where you 1031 01:29:33.560 --> 01:29:39.039 know, the guys were administered the polygraph tests and where as Travis said, 1032 01:29:39.279 --> 01:29:42.319 if they would have failed them, they wouldn't have left that courthouse because there's 1033 01:29:42.359 --> 01:29:46.399 also the jail cell in the basement of the courthouse there. So really cool 1034 01:29:46.479 --> 01:29:53.039 video. You've got to check that out. We won't We will be talking 1035 01:29:53.079 --> 01:29:57.159 to you next week. In fact, in between the holidays here I should 1036 01:29:57.239 --> 01:30:00.520 be doing an interview, and this is really cool, this is exciting, 1037 01:30:00.720 --> 01:30:06.640 and this is years literally years in the making. I'm finally If everything goes 1038 01:30:06.680 --> 01:30:13.000 smoothly this week, I should be able to interview Doug Trumball, Trumbull or 1039 01:30:13.039 --> 01:30:16.439 Trumbell, I can't remember how the last name goes, but anyway, this 1040 01:30:16.560 --> 01:30:24.039 guy is a big hero of mine because he's a special effects guru who did 1041 01:30:24.159 --> 01:30:29.920 special effects on pretty much all of my favoritist movies in the whole world, 1042 01:30:30.600 --> 01:30:35.239 such as Close Encounters and Blade Runner and others. So I cannot tell you 1043 01:30:35.359 --> 01:30:40.399 how excited I am to talk to him. He works with Mark D'Antonio from 1044 01:30:40.479 --> 01:30:44.159 mof on and they're working on this uphotog project. But he's been into UFOs 1045 01:30:44.199 --> 01:30:48.399 for a long time and uphotog was his idea. So if you haven't heard 1046 01:30:48.439 --> 01:30:51.479 some of our interviews with Mark and you're not sure what youuphotog is about, 1047 01:30:51.840 --> 01:30:56.560 we'll talk about that and how he began to get interested in this field. 1048 01:30:56.640 --> 01:31:00.119 So really excited about that. That's most likely what we'll have one week next 1049 01:31:00.199 --> 01:31:03.800 week, unless there's some kind of scheduling issue, but we will definitely have 1050 01:31:03.920 --> 01:31:11.800 his interview up soon. So all of you have a wonderful holiday week, 1051 01:31:12.800 --> 01:31:16.439 have some great turkey. But you know what, this is a great time 1052 01:31:17.000 --> 01:31:23.279 to go veggie, just like. Actually, coincidentally, Jason and Maureen and 1053 01:31:23.479 --> 01:31:28.439 I are all vegetarians, and so we know that there will be no turkeys 1054 01:31:28.520 --> 01:31:32.199 harmed in our festivities for this week, and you should be the same. 1055 01:31:32.319 --> 01:31:36.720 So this is a perfect time to save some turkeys. They're cute little guys. 1056 01:31:36.800 --> 01:31:40.479 You know, if you're in California or even out out here, you 1057 01:31:40.560 --> 01:31:44.600 see them in the wild gobbling around. They're really cool. Don't kill them 1058 01:31:44.640 --> 01:31:47.600 and eat them, people, Come on, have a heart. No, 1059 01:31:48.199 --> 01:31:53.520 we still love our meat, eat our friends. But you have a great 1060 01:31:53.560 --> 01:31:59.359 holiday whether or not you eat turkey, toe turkey or Tamali's like I will 1061 01:31:59.439 --> 01:32:02.880 be in joying. Have a great holiday, and we'll talk to you next 1062 01:32:02.920 --> 01:32:05.199 week. 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