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Hello, and welcome to Deep Blue
Sea the Podcast. I am Mark m

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M and I am Jay. Actually
I'm going to call an audible and that

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Mark. I think nickname should be
how we drive all we're like in a

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car. That's what it is to
say. So I'm Jay the Napper.

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I should be allowed to drive because
I just fall asleep welcoming you to deep

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sleeping car even when driving. It's
way I don't drive. I can It's

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my superpower. I can fall asleep
anyway, I've fallen asleep. I'm Mark

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center Lane half Meyer, not slow, not fast, fall asleep in an

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active m or machine and whilst having
a haircut before. So are they offering

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both? Yeah? It was a
two and one deal. Yeah, it

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was interesting afternoon anyway, this is
deep Blue. See the metal clippers?

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Yes, there was what they kind
of have metal clipps. I would have

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messed up the machine. It was
all plastic. Didn't It wasn't a good

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haircut. What's happening? I don't
know. We're off track. I haven't

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even got to the podcasts. It's
deeper who see the podcast? On this

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show? Mark and I have dived
away through the Deep Sea Trilogy scene by

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scene. I'm looking at some Deep
Blue Sy adjacent films and his films featuring

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sharks aquatic action or directed by Ronnie
Harlan, therefore leading to a very much

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not Deep Bluecy adjacent film, as
is the case today with Driven. What

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is Driven? It is a two
thousand and one American actions sport film directed

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by Ronny Harland, written by Sylvester
Stallone or based on the screen by by

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Stallone, starring is Stallone, but
Reynolds, Kit Pardo, Til Schweiger,

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Gina Gershon, A Stella Warren,
Christian Delathquente. There's a plane going overhead

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right now. I don't even hear
that. And Stacy Edwards is a con

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air. No, we've landed.
That plane is Gerard Butler. Is Gerard

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Butler on the plane with Mike cole
her the jailbird. His land didn't been

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destroyed in Vegas. That's Luke Evans
falling out of the back of it.

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Well, this is all very appropriate
for our guests today because this is a

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two thousand and one car movie,
so it makes sense that we should have

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on some people who are familiar with
a different two thousand and one car movie.

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And it's numerous sequels, so joining
us from the Two Fast Two Forever

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podcast. It's the two Gentlemen of
Corona. It's Joe two and Joey Lewandowski.

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Welcome to the show, guys,
Hey, guys, I cannot believe

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that this movie came out of the
same year so Fast and Furious. It

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feels both older and new nothing.
It's out of time in a way that

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like two. Like the Fast and
Furious feels so two thousand and one,

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this feels like, I don't know
what it feels like, but it does

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not feel like two, doesn't one. Listen, So Renny Harland special,

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that's for sure, you know what. Listen Watching this movie again, it

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made me really happy and it made
me love Renny Harlan Moore because I think

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this is probably like a two star
movie, but for Franchise Pictures, I

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would say it's a four star.
Franchise Pictures. Say you guys know about

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franchise Franchise Pictures. I forgot to
say, yeah, So, like this

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is the company that you know.
They released Battlefield Earth, they released Sound

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of Sound of Thunder, they released
Get Carter, The Art of War,

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Ballistic x Verse, Severn. Basically, what it was was it was like

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a company that started by Elie Samaha. That and he just fleeced the heck

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out of a German company and made
a ton of money that he got sued

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for one hundred million dollars and then
his company went defunct. But yeah,

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it's so basically what happened was I'm
jumping all over the place because I love

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this so much. Guys. Basically
what happens was they said Battlefield Earth had

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like a ninety million dollars budget.
This is a lot of explaining, but

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I'm gonna do it. It's worth
it that. If it's if it's what

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you sent me a link, it's
worth explaining, Okay, So Ellie Elie

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Samaha. What do he would do
was he started franchise pictures and he would

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find scripts that were in turnaround,
which means they were going, they were

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ready to go, they didn't go, so now they're sitting at a studio

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there's waiting to be made, and
he could buy them for cheap. It

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was cheaper than getting a new screenplay
written. It was cheaper than that.

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Then he would find a list stars
like Battlefield Earth. Nobody would make Battlefield

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Earth like get Away from Me,
John Travolta, like, you're the hottest

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star on the planet. We won't
even make this movie. So this guy

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La Samaha who made his name like
work in vip lounge at the Roxbury,

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Like he knew all these celebrities.
So somehow he got involved with this German

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entertainment company that was going to put
up forty seven percent of all of the

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film's budgets that he worked with.
So he like went up to Slice stallone.

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He's like, Sly, you've been
wanting to make Get Carter and this

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racing movie for years and no one
will do it, so you can come

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make it for me. I'll give
you twenty million dollars for each and we

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will go make your movies. But
the problem was like he's like, but

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then once they sign on, he
would ship them the Canada. He would

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lower the budget, and then he
would also have the catering company that fed

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everybody on the staff, but he
would overcharge for his catering company. So

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whenever you see like Battlefield Earth has
an eighty eight million dollar budget, it's

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more like a thirty million dollar budget. The VFX supervisor on Battlefield Earth said

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it was the cheapest thing you've ever
has ever worked on, Like like he

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would ship them the Canada and like
he would he would do something too,

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like since they were paying forty seven
percent of the budget, he was like,

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yeah, like battlefild Earth as a
ninety million dollar budget, so then

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they would pay forty five to fifty
million. Bone Actuality was like a fifty

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million dollar budget, so then like
they ended up footing the bill for almost

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the entire movie, and then he
would pocket a ton of cash and then

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just like ship them off to Canada
to go make movies. So when you

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see Driven having a budget of ninety
million to seventy million, it's probably closer

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to fifty million. And then Stallone
got twenty million of that, which left

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Renny Harland about thirty to thirty five
million to make this movie. And this

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was originally like a three hour long
film with a two hundred and twenty page

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script. Like nobody would touch this. People were like, Stallone, you

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just made assassins in dread, Like
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page script into a movie for you. But this Ellie Samaha was like,

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yeah, we'll do it, and
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of it, put it in my
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many questions about questions. Yeah,
yeah, and so yeah. So that's

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why this movie's chopped up. It
was originally supposed to be like more of

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like a movie about the male ego. So if you see this movie,

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you have Kill Schweiger's character, that's
who is well, believe Mark that's still

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in there. Yeah, but I
look like til Schweiger's the driven guy.

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You know, he's driven, he
runs, he trains. Stallone's the guy

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who wrecked it all. Then you
have Jimmy Bly as like the young kid

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who looks at computers and is pushed. And then you have Memo as like

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the guy who was also pushed,
like he lost his spot. And then

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you have Burt Reynolds and then the
woman's there writing about like masculinity and sports.

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It was supposed to be like this
takedown of masculinity and like learning to

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be humble and learning how to like
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and like put away the male masculine
ego. But they got chopped all the

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hell and then it's two hours of
driven. But it still looks like the

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invented can a Fraser camera before Top
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in this they made a nascar that
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cameras on it to capture the speed
of these carts as they're driving around the

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tracks like Harlem went all around the
world. It's like, I feel like

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it looks authentic. It. I
like the racing scenes. I have fun

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with it, but it's about eight
different movies in one and then with fifty

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minutes cut out and so like it
never totally works. But I still love

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what Running was able to do.
There's stuff in here that looks amazing and

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stuff in here that looks worse than
most movies I've ever seen in my life,

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Like in the same scene, not
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in the same thing. Like the
rain race is like maybe cooler than any

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race in any fastmarious movie, until
the CGI comes in and just like,

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oh no, what do you do
with some original in this movie? Yes,

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there is and basically was in Pointance. They should be fetty STRAIGHTFORO.

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Yes. Look, here's the thing
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if you watch Art of War,
Ballistics, Extra sever Battle Filled Earth,

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all the franchise pictures movies have horrifying
VFX in the films because they didn't

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have a budget for good VFX.
So basically what they did was they just

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chucked a few dollars at some people
and they're like, hey, make this

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work. So like the vfx were
always last and they're always bad for franchise

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pictures films. But yeah, you
have cool, practical racing footage and then

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you have just like soul numbing vffs
in this movie. So it's like it's

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up and down for me. Like, I still like, you know,

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there's no jerks in this film,
guys, Like, there's no there's a

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couple of jerks, but there's no
mustache twirling villain. No, there's no.

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Like at the end, right at
the end of it, everyone's like,

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yeah, we're cool, like,
hey man, my bad. Like

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Jimmy Blige goes up to tul Schweiger, hey man, my bad, lay

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bad. They're all happy. But
yeah, they've been sharing two girlfriends.

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They've been sharing two girlfriends the whole
movie, and everybody's happy about it.

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I don't like this take. I
feel like they're all bad. There's no

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enough bad guys. It's not good
that there's no bad guys. It's bad

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that they have some bad guys that
they make okay at the end, Like

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there are at least there are four
four villains in this film. You have

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wait, who are the Hill Schweger? Yeah, okay, at some point

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Til Schweiger as Bo Bo Brandenburg,
BT Reynolds, Car Henry Robert Sean Leonard

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as the mill Bly a real name
and Gina Gershon Stollin's ex wife are all

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villains who are all nice at the
end. And I wanted Okay, Mark's

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just Jay. That's called character development. Mark's given a whole monologue before.

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We've probably let our guests say anything, which you guys will get to talk

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from it. But I do not
share Mark's love for this film. This

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feels like a film that was made
in a lab for me to just not

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care about it at all. Which
yeah, I picture j just being furious

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while watching this movie. I hate
cars. I especially hate cars when they're

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involved in sport hates. I'm not
a sport fan. I've never really understood

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sport and I've never understood driving sports
above anything else. I have many My

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dad loves Formula one. We have
like barbecues over the somewhere. He'd keep

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nipping back inside to check the TV
to see what the score was, or

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he was in the lead. And
I don't understand. It's it's the most

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boring sport. It's more boring than
watchings. And then you throw on top

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of that, not just one love
triangle, but who loves trying things I

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do not care for, And then
you have no sharks, no dinosaurs,

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no plane crashes, no one dies
in this film. There's lots of crashes.

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There's a blue race card now,
and that's pretty blue. There is

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a blue we'll get out and blue
the film is later, Joe, it's

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this isn't a film like this is
a film that I was thoroughly bored.

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Bye. But that's not Renny Harlan's
fault. That's not the filmmaker, No,

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no, no, no, that's
not anyone involved in the making of

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the film. That is just the
subject matter on display. I don't like

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anything about this film, like in
terms of the subject matter. That's that's

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no. I'm not saying it's a
badly made film. It's just a film

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about things I don't want to watch, which is not the film's fool It's

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not really Harlen's fool. This is
entirely my fault. This is my problem.

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So I'm gonna not I'm gonna try
not to have that opinion going on,

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but just just know that of all
the Ready Harden films we cover so

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far, this is my least favorite, purely based on the subject matter.

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End of that appear. So I
love this movie. Okay, good,

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Yeah, Joe, very happy for
you, Joe too. What is it

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about Driven that you loved? It
was? It was at times, somehow

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trying to be a very serious sporting
movie that would then interject a slic stallone

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monologue that he would deliver pretty badly
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And at the same time it was
also like very much a soap opera

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and a lifetime style movie. And
then it had a bunch of things that

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I do love, like car racing
and bad CG and like really cheesy love

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triangles. So as much as this
wasn't made for you, Jay, I

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think this movie was made for me. I messaged Joe five minutes I watched

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this movie last night. He watched
it today, and I messaged him last

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night. I'm like, look,
I'm five minutes and I have a headache,

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and I already know you're gonna love
this movie. Those things are not

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related, yes, but those two
things are true, and I was right.

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Yeah, I think you absolutely were. Do you like it, Joey,

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No, I don't like it.
I don't look I like parts about

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it. I don't think it's a
movie. I don't think that a lot

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of the like cool stuff works.
But I think there are elements of it

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that I think work really well.
I think the racing is pretty good.

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Well you know, I have a
handful of notes so we can get to

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you. But like, overall,
if I like it or don't, I

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don't, but there are parts about
it that I like. I the one

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thing I will say that I don't
like is that it feels like Gina Gershon

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forgot how to ask. And I
don't know that's a character I love her

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in so much. The older girlfriend, Yeah, okay, that lady ex

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wife yeah, uh huh, Like
she's so good and bound, she's so

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good and so many things, and
here it's just like I don't understand what's

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going on. Like there's like I
get like the masculine machismo whatever, but

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like I don't know if it feels
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feels Oppenheimer asque in, Like these
women are only there to like be with

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literally literally further, like to be
like a trophy or like a part that's

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a bonus for him. Yeah,
you know what I mean. He says

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like that, specifically says that I
guess in the longer ones she had more

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like in the longer things, she
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a couple together and they were just
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he walked away from it, and
he never gave her a chance to vet

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her anger at him, so like
he just stepped away. He's like,

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we're not good for each other,
and he left her completely. So then

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she got with Memo after that sense
and one has never been able to just

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like yell at the dude. So
it's been like years later and she sees

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him and she's like, I just
hate this guy, and then she goes

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full on angry Gershan. But none
of that comes across in the actual anything

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that we watch. That's a two
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stallone over the fifty minutes of deleted
scenes that he's taught, like he

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does a commentary over it. He's
like, yeah, she had a lot

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more to do, and you know, you know, we didn't need it,

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and so we cut it. But
you know, he said, this

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is a movie that he wishes he
didn't make, and he also wishes that

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he didn't make Get Carter. But
the reason is no one would make this

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movie. So Elie Samaha was like, yeah, we'll go make a two

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hundred and twenty page film in Toronto
and lower the budget and give you twenty

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million, like like I think,
once they got shooting, he and Harlem

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were like, well, I guess
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all this. So they basically had
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This movie shouldn't have been made.
I wish. But so like the thing

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that I you know, the issue
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which it's going to come around,
but like I think he makes a terrible

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two hour movie. I think Zack
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Like I don't like this movie,
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and twenty page version of this,
I want to see that movie. Like

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I might not like it, but
I want to see the complete thing.

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The four hour version of this might
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it could be. M well,
it shouldn't have been made. He was

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just this guy was like, listen, I need Stallan. Stallone gets me

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international numbers. He opens me up
in other markets. I can talk to

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this German company that's funding most of
my movies for it, and he plays

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the budget. Yeah, and like
Stallone wan to make this for four years

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and then this guy's like, hey
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just to pay you, then you
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I think, like Harlan had a
racing movie fall through about Senna. You

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know, they couldn't even get F
one's approval. So that's why they use

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cart racing in this movie. Is
racing or like it looks like indeed it's

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cart racing, but it's like open
open car cart racing, And like they

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couldn't even get F one, so
they went to kart. And I just

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think, if you're gonna go into
battle with a two and twenty page script

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and your leading star hasn't really had
a hit in many years, you're gonna

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be in some trouble. That's why
I kind of like what Harlan pulled off,

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because as I watch all the other
franchise films, like three thousand Miles

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of Graceland is a hot pile of
hurt and that movie like they shipped them

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off to Canada, cut half the
budget, and you watch it and you're

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like, this is a bad,
bad movie. And like for me at

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least, Harlan's skill as a director
as like as a I don't know,

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I feel like he just gets it
done. So watching the races, like

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when they go to Japan, I
sort of felt that this was quite international,

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Like I like the scope of the
shots he's able to get. I

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like the on car racing, but
that's about it. Like, I don't

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you know, I think Jimmy Blige
just looks like computer the whole time.

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But knowing what I know about franchise
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That's why I find it endearing because
I think Harlan pulled like got something

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out of it. But it's a
two star movie, but it's a five

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star franchise pictures. One from four
to five stars. He talked yourself out.

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Yeah, I went eber to letterboxed
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so you're saying, like, because
it's like a perfect franchise pictures.

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Yeah, because it's not horrible,
like it's it doesn't look terrible like you

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watch Ballistics Expert Severn your eyes fall
out, like you watch Battle Filled Earth

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and they had no idea what they
were doing, Like they just put aliens

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on stilts like they just like and
they dutch angle it a lot. So

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at least on this one, Harlan
made some thrilling shots of racing, Like

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you know, people talk a lot
about top Gun and the way they filmed

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the cockpit stuff, Like I think
Harlan should get some credit for helping use

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a brand new camera lens that could
get the guys in the cockpit driving,

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Like I think some shots are pretty
great in this movie. So that's just

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like the fires every cool looking the
giant explosion that memo goes up in.

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Yeah, Now I would assume Joe
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I did, in like, is
this a fast and furious movie? What

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connections can they make? And the
one thing that the thing that jumps out

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to me the most, well two
things. Number one slides a garage very

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early on, gives very big vibes
of thirteen twenty seven's a garage, like

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just that old kind of like outdoorsy, old timey kind of suburbs garage,

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like he could be Buddy from F
nine, right m m. The other

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thing that I thought was funny was
that like Tokyo Drift, when Sean races

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past those cops and he's like,
oh my god, I'm gonna pull me

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over, and Hans, I know, if they're doing over one eighty k,

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they don't pull you over. But
here we see a Chicago cop again

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in the United States with a radar
gun show them doing one ninety five,

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but like that's miles per hour,
not kilometers per hour, which is like

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way way faster. And I was
just thinking, like, it's funny that

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we're so used to like, oh, over one eightyk, like they don't

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chase you, but like here it's
like one ninety five, I've miles an

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hour. It's like, what do
you even do? Like you can't even

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watch you're doing you're doing, but
I was kilometers that's huge. Yeah,

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it's insane. I was I was
laughing at this whole like driving around Chicago

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scene because I was like, they're
going to get out of this, and

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you absolutely would go immediately to jail, like the meme like straight to jail,

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Like that's that's exactly what happened.
He's like twenty five thousand dollars.

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Fine, Like you guys are almost
non existent. Fine, just like slap

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on the wrist step and all that
happens during that chase. Like, yeah,

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I think it's it's cool them going
under the scenarios, that's cool.

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But the property destruction, the manhole
covers that have flowed around, the women

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who are exposed, the other cars
that get hit accidents. I listened to

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Renny Harlan's commentary on this at Mark's
request, and when when that lady's dress

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blows up, his remark, it's
one of my little moments. What can

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I say? It was Reny on
commetry on I also the other the other

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big very quick fastenaction here is that
BT to the score for this one and

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also for the first fast. So
they sound the same. Makes sense.

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It sounds like I didn't know the
first fast periods you just said it,

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but it makes so much sense now
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their parts were just like, oh, this might have just been like an

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outtake from the Fast and Furious because
they're at the same time too. It's

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the exact same year, so he's
definitely making them both essentially at the same

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time. Yeah, they shot that
in Toronto over nine nights, and Renny

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Harlem was like, yeah, the
residents must have hated us by the time

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we were out of there with these
cars driving around, But it was cool.

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They like took that engine. They
put a V eight in this what

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is it like a two hundred and
let's see five hundred horsepower V eight and

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those cars could still go two hundred
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also in the longer cuts, Stallone's
character gets goes to jail and or Bly

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gets off scott free because and then
he learns that he's just expendable to these

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people, like he's the fall guy. So like Jimmy, like the Golden

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Boy, gets off and Stallone goes
to jail. But once again, they

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had to cut at all, which
is why you don't go into shooting a

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two hundred and twenty page sports movie
with four different stories and it was all

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misguided. Did you guys read Did
you read Ebert's review for this? Please?

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No? So he gave it to
an half stars, but he I

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kind of there's a there's a thing
I like to call Horny Ebert where occasionally

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he just dotes on a woman like
unbelievably, like Nev Campbell, and like

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sometimes he goes goes on, but
this one he goes. The gorgeous Canadian

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supermodel Ella Estella Warren plays Sophia,
who is dumb by the champ, dates

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the rookie and is taken back by
the champ. She has lips that could

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cushion a nasty fall and swimmer shoulders
that look great except in that off the

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shoulder dress that makes them look wider
than Stallone's. He definitely mentally shooted for

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a while. I like that He's
like nagging this Canadian supermodel, like,

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you know, she's pretty hot unless
she wears that one dress and witch case.

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It's just like come on, man, and uh, you know she

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was a synker nice swimmer. She
was like in the Olympics, Estella warrant.

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That's why they have the synchro nice
swimming scene with her in it.

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And Harlan's like, well, if
you have a synchro nice swimmer, you

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have her new synchro nice swimmer that
makes sense. I thought that it was

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just like a little nod to Tarantino
or something, because there was a whole

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lot of foot scene. Yeah.
Yeah, So he watched this and saw

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Til Schweiger. I thought, you're
gonna be hixt my next film. I'm

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gonna put you any glorious plastics.
It must have happened. The one thing

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I remember from OH one is I
remember my brother went and watched this movie

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and I was like, hey,
man, did you like it. He's

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like, I don't know. He's
like, there's this cool German guy in

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there. I kind of like him. Like that was his whole comment about

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it. My brother, his whole
review is that there's a cool German guy.

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Guy. This guy, Yeah that
was still Schweiger. Yeah, I

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like Til Schweiger in this movie.
But yeah, that was his whole review.

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I'm like, oh, okay,
I got the tilly Schweiger. I

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was convinced that he wasn't really German, Like I thought that that was a

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fake accent. For a while,
I was like, oh yeah, this

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this it feels appropriate that it feels
like a fake accent. So I like

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that even better. So if he
is German, good on him. Know

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who he is like in Bastards,
like he's Hugo Chiglitz, Like he's like

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a big part of Chloris. Yeah, he's like the German. No,

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everybody looked very familiar to me,
Like Blai looked really familiar, but I

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don't know why, like what I
remember him from, Like the only person

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I could definitely pick out with Sla
Stallone, but like even the supermodel that

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you guys were just mentioning, like, she looks like somebody that I've seen

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in something else. So it's hard
to balance in these like movies where everybody

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we talked, Joey and I talked
about this a lot, where it's like

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they just like got a guy that
looked like another guy type of situation that's

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still a war. And you might
remember her from Tim Burton's Planet the Aps,

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Okay, Yeah, the only other
thing that I know her from well,

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her Fast and Furious connection is Jay. She did drive her Prius into

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several cars and then got arrested,
So yeah, so she had a she

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had some fast and thus driving moments
as well in her and her Prius.

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Boy, how about that explosion which
which when Memo goes up in the lake

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and he explodes over the track.
He erupts an oppenheimer S fireball before he

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falls into the lake, and it
just puts the biggest I was up at

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five am doing a rewatch of this
movie, and I just had the biggest

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smile on my face. Is the
biggest fireball ever on a cart track erupts

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and just poor Memo gets shot.
But he goes through the woods and into

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a lake. I was like,
where is this track at that you have

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this much access to, Like that
there's not like barriers and like crowd or

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something. Yeah, it's like a
trek. He's like like fifty one hundred

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feet away. I'm like, how
the hell did you get here? You

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could be canoeing? Yeah, Like
I having a nice afternoon and a cart

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car lands on much it looks like
a summer camp lake. You're right,

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So, Jay, were there any
moments you enjoyed in this movie? I

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mean I did like the crash,
I did. I did kind of like

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that chase through Chicago and air quartes. But I just the whole time I

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was thinking, these guys are assholes. They're just cooking so much sandwich and

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destruction. They hate them. I
mean, you've said bad things about it.

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But every moment she goes ons on
the screen, she lights it,

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she lights it up. She's the
closest that we have to a mustage dwelling

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villains. She sways in a full
intensity. It's just, you know,

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you know exactly what she is,
the most stereotypical ex wife character. You

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can imagine what I love about it. What I love about this is imagining

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me and Jay watching this together,
and as soon as she comes on screen,

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I check out and he checks in, and then like the rest of

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the time, I'm just like,
what else? What else could there be?

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Like I'm optimistically watching for things I
like, and I'm not finding stuff.

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But like she comes on, I'm
just like, come on, and

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she's like, Okay, here we
go. I stand up and start cheering.

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I think you'll like this quote Jay
from Eber He's like I mentioned that

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all the characters are nice except for
Gershan, who sticks to bitchiness and a

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stubborn show of integrity. Absolutely,
she knows what she's doing and she does

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it incredibly will that's such a line
though, bitchiness. It's h I love

403
00:26:17.119 --> 00:26:21.519
franchise pictures, y'alls. You don't
understand the fun like Battlefield Earth I wrote

404
00:26:21.519 --> 00:26:26.079
about her Frotten Tomatoes in the Museum
of Pop Culture in the United States invited

405
00:26:26.119 --> 00:26:30.160
me to like moderate one of their
panels that was watching this because I just

406
00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:34.680
love the research on Battlefield Earth so
much. This guy Ellie Samaha, just

407
00:26:36.359 --> 00:26:41.319
like so I just found this other
thing where he was doing City by the

408
00:26:41.359 --> 00:26:45.359
Sea and he said all the actors
cost eighteen million, but they actually cost

409
00:26:45.400 --> 00:26:48.880
fourteen. He said all the sets
cost two million, they actually cost one.

410
00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:52.119
So this dude is just making money. Like he was a bouncer at

411
00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:56.119
the Roxbury. He was a dry
cleaner and one day Joey Pants walked in

412
00:26:56.160 --> 00:27:00.119
there and somehow he wrecked Joey pants
clothes and then how Jolie Pants walked out

413
00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:03.759
of there, like having a part
in one of his b movies before he

414
00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:07.440
started franchise pictures. The dude's a
salesman, yeah, and like he's a

415
00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:11.839
schmoozer and he used to party with
stallone at the Roxbury and then he just

416
00:27:12.799 --> 00:27:17.440
about this guy yeah right, and
then after he got out of this,

417
00:27:17.480 --> 00:27:21.319
he bought Graman's Theater, like he
he and he's just and he keeps getting

418
00:27:21.319 --> 00:27:25.200
in trouble and he got successfully so
he was in court for two weeks and

419
00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:27.279
he told all the jur jurors that
if they found him innocent, they would

420
00:27:27.319 --> 00:27:33.400
have they would have VIP passes for
life at any of his cubb It's in

421
00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:37.960
the middle of the thing, no, and so little during the after So

422
00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:41.160
after the trial when they had to
deliberate, they were gone for one hour

423
00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:44.279
and they came back and found him
guilty. So it's like, oh,

424
00:27:44.400 --> 00:27:48.440
so it was like the reverse Oh
j Yeah, like he said, I

425
00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:51.559
will give you VIP passes to all
my clubs, went out like when they

426
00:27:51.559 --> 00:27:55.440
went to deliberate one hour later,
you're guilty. It does everybody. It

427
00:27:55.480 --> 00:27:56.759
does feel like the Jay's point.
It does. It feels insane that we

428
00:27:56.799 --> 00:28:00.160
have like Electric Bugaloo, the untold
story of cannon films. We don't have

429
00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:03.640
one as far as I know about
this, Like we don't need like you

430
00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:07.079
know, we don't need a wee
crashed or like a fictionalized retelling of the

431
00:28:07.119 --> 00:28:10.920
story. But just like, give
us a documentary about this, because I

432
00:28:10.920 --> 00:28:14.640
mean, the story is there.
I had no concept of vendues this before

433
00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:18.359
before Mark starts like dropping it on
us. So I'm along for this ride

434
00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:22.839
for sure. I love that he
owned a catering company and would overcharge for

435
00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:27.599
so get this. On Battlefield Earth, the food was so bad, but

436
00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:33.079
he was charging so much money that
Travolta dipped into his own pocket and paid

437
00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:37.240
for crew for the entire staff.
Like he Travolta, he got sixteen million

438
00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:40.759
for Battlefield Earth and he started paying
for food for the entire crew. It

439
00:28:40.839 --> 00:28:44.799
was fire festival for the movie is
bad. Yeah, because he's like,

440
00:28:44.839 --> 00:28:48.200
this is terrible. So it's just
I don't know, I love it.

441
00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:51.799
Like these movies lost so much money, and nobody like storms off either,

442
00:28:51.880 --> 00:28:53.119
you know what I mean. Like
you get Travolta to be like, okay,

443
00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:56.559
I'll just pay for the food then, and like you're still getting paid

444
00:28:56.599 --> 00:29:00.480
more than you want for your food
from you're catering companies. You're like,

445
00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:07.680
yeah, okay, And just you
know, none of these movies made money.

446
00:29:07.039 --> 00:29:10.960
A lot of them failed. They
were all critically bad. But Universal

447
00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:11.960
was like, hey, keep sending
it to us, because we'll just dump

448
00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:15.480
them in August, we'll dump them
in March, we'll put them out in

449
00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:19.960
January like this. Because they Universal
spent no moneies, they no money on

450
00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:23.000
them. They just distributed them so
like they're like, yeah, sure,

451
00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:26.319
Ellie, just give us some crap
movies that we'll put in theaters. In

452
00:29:26.359 --> 00:29:30.119
the German company ever figured out about
this, like they eventually have to get

453
00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:33.640
wise, but that you've you've given
me ten examples of him doing this.

454
00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:38.440
So two thousand one they immediately see
because they looked at the budget Forget Carter

455
00:29:38.599 --> 00:29:42.119
and they're like, this is not
a sixty five million dollar movie. And

456
00:29:42.119 --> 00:29:45.559
then they did the math and it
was like in the thirties, but Ellie

457
00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:49.000
pocketed all that money. I was
to that earlier point Mark. I was

458
00:29:49.039 --> 00:29:52.000
watching this movie last night, like
did they go to theaters? And I

459
00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:53.920
was like, oh no. In
two thousan on one, there wasn't really

460
00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:59.039
another option, Like there was you
know, home video and whatever, but

461
00:29:59.119 --> 00:30:02.359
like most movies that came out then
went to theaters, I'm just like,

462
00:30:02.359 --> 00:30:07.160
it seems insane. This wasn't because
Lifetime right, Like I can see you

463
00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:10.079
cutting together a trailer face it like
looks pretty cool. It's like, oh,

464
00:30:10.119 --> 00:30:11.880
like there's sylvestor Stalone in a race
car movie. Like hell y'all go

465
00:30:12.039 --> 00:30:15.200
and you go, you go see
the movie. You're like, what is

466
00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:22.400
this? And that's what I said, I like what is happening here?

467
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:25.640
But yeah, the more I learn
about franchise, the more I love it.

468
00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:29.440
I'm gonna ask a really dumb question, but but I think I know

469
00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:33.680
the answer to it. I'm going
to assume that no picture from Franchise Pictures

470
00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:41.480
ever actually became a franchise. Oh
yeah, and then yeah, Whole ten

471
00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:44.720
Yards is like one of the biggest
flops of all time. But that's how

472
00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:48.119
Ellie made it big was because of
a Whole nine Yards, which is written

473
00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:52.440
by Bruce Willis's brother, and then
they went to Montreal to shoot it.

474
00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:56.599
That's why it's in mont That's why
it's in Canada. Okay, if they

475
00:30:56.599 --> 00:30:59.519
did a sequel to Battle Killed Earth, I know that, like it's based

476
00:30:59.559 --> 00:31:03.240
on the Round Hybrid novel, but
like would it have been Battlefield Earth too,

477
00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:04.960
or like Battlefield Mars? Like where
would they have gone from the first

478
00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:11.799
linking? Yeah, Battlefield Toronto.
It went from Battlefield Vancouver, man Toronto

479
00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:15.440
Mars looks a lot like it's more
and more focused each time. I love

480
00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:18.680
Toronto. Oh yeah, yeah,
Franchise Pictures. Now, I had one

481
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:22.240
thought of something I didn't like in
this movie, and for it being I

482
00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:25.359
didn't know it was going to be
a three hour movie. I was like,

483
00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:27.079
oh, a two hour movie.
This seems a little long because there's

484
00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:30.720
like a point like three quarters of
the way through the movie that there's just

485
00:31:30.759 --> 00:31:36.400
like a big lull for no reason, and they just show crowdshots of like

486
00:31:36.519 --> 00:31:41.680
Canadians walking to a race, and
I was like, this feels so out

487
00:31:41.720 --> 00:31:48.759
of place. That happens eight times
in the fifth there's so much like yeah,

488
00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:52.839
it's so much b rolled, and
I'm just like, we definitely didn't

489
00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:55.039
need this, Like for all the
stuff that you're telling me, they cut

490
00:31:55.039 --> 00:31:56.359
out of it, like to leave
all this. I'm like, oh man,

491
00:31:56.480 --> 00:32:01.440
this is weird. Before the final
race, you do get all of

492
00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:07.960
those actual real life race car drivers
doing their real pre race prep. But

493
00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:12.119
I didn't need a slow zoom in
on a guy having a nap. Yeah,

494
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:15.279
that's not making me like hearing me
up for this race we're gonna watch.

495
00:32:16.240 --> 00:32:22.759
There's a guy listening to headphones.
Cool. There's one you roll sequence

496
00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:23.960
where I think it's three people in
a row or eating a hot No,

497
00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:28.839
yes, there's there is a lot
of Fanny Truro, the girl eating the

498
00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:32.519
Truro yea on one of the best
sets very suggested, one of the best,

499
00:32:32.799 --> 00:32:36.640
like it's not it's not suggested,
but like one of the best shots

500
00:32:36.680 --> 00:32:40.039
in this movie is when they're in
Japan, like seeing like the the stadium

501
00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:44.240
food but like the Japanese like they'm
making noodles like frying. I'm like,

502
00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:47.359
this looks I don't really agree.
I agree, yeah, yeah, I'm

503
00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:51.839
like, just more of this,
please. That was You're right. I

504
00:32:51.839 --> 00:32:54.279
think that might be my favorite shot
there. And then I also kind of

505
00:32:54.279 --> 00:32:59.400
like that he doesn't make the cart
racing fancy because if you've ever been to

506
00:32:59.440 --> 00:33:02.079
like one of these races and NASCAR
races, they're a hodgepodge of every single

507
00:33:02.119 --> 00:33:06.319
thing on the planet. You have
two hundred and fifty thousand people eating,

508
00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:08.079
you know, and this is a
one. So we don't have like a

509
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:14.680
cybald, you know, food trucks
yet just stuff in their face with food.

510
00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:19.359
It's it's he didn't I think he
tried to glamorize it, but it

511
00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:22.880
actually just made it seem not glamorous
at all, and so I kind of

512
00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:27.680
appreciated that that. I'm like,
hey, this looks like someplace I've been

513
00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:30.839
before. This looks like one of
the fairs in Florida that I used to

514
00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:34.720
go to. Yet, so I
do. I do appreciate that, but

515
00:33:34.759 --> 00:33:36.839
I think that, yeah, the
Japanese stuff. That shot was probably my

516
00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:42.319
favorite of the lot. How do
you think the Gratious Lady shots compared against

517
00:33:42.319 --> 00:33:46.759
the Fuss and Furious franchise? The
dress, the dress flip, Marilyn Monroe

518
00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:54.279
thing, I think is even like
two ambitious for Fast and the Furious that

519
00:33:54.440 --> 00:34:00.920
I don't think that Fast and Furious
has that much like risk taking. If

520
00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:04.000
it happened in Fast and Furious,
it would be like intentional, like Bob

521
00:34:04.119 --> 00:34:07.199
was trying to do that? Did
you do it? In Tokyo Joey?

522
00:34:07.320 --> 00:34:10.800
Is there a shot? There's a
there's a there's a wet t shirt contest

523
00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:15.320
in the first movie. Yeah,
but I mean like the specific like Marilyn

524
00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:20.079
Monroe dress flip, oh like that
in that in that shot, I'm like,

525
00:34:20.119 --> 00:34:24.000
I don't think they would do that
though. Tokyo Drift has that accentual

526
00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:28.199
wind flip of that high school student
on the car. Oh yeah, yeah,

527
00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:30.639
the weird crotch shot of yeah what's
her name? Yeah, the high

528
00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:35.079
schooler? Yeah, that's true.
Okay, I'm gonna ask you a really

529
00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:38.440
weird question because I had to watch
all the Fast and Furious movies where you

530
00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:42.800
got to, I got to,
I got to and I was tasked with

531
00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:46.079
counting all the butt shots and he
so I had to frame and like,

532
00:34:46.280 --> 00:34:51.039
okay, basically what I what what
I set up was if the ad was

533
00:34:51.039 --> 00:34:52.800
like, hey, point your butt
towards your camera, like not an incidental

534
00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:55.440
but more like, hey, walk
this way so we can see your butt.

535
00:34:57.199 --> 00:34:59.440
Do you think the one in Fast
ten where the lady gets off the

536
00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:04.320
bike and walks is the most ambitious
one ever? Like just we're talking like

537
00:35:04.360 --> 00:35:07.880
a dolly or like a steadicam following
her in the red shorts. Do you

538
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:09.840
think that's the most ambitious butt shot
of the franchise? No, the most

539
00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:15.039
ambitious butt shot of the franchise is
Galgand on her butt. That's that's the

540
00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:22.519
narrative. Yes, yeah, that's
true. That's like a that's a narrator.

541
00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:23.760
That's a subplot. There was all, man, I don't I already

542
00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:27.079
I'm starting to forget this movie and
I watched it last night. But there's

543
00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:31.760
something in here where they're trying to
get Oh, they need something, do

544
00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:36.840
they need a handprint of they need
fingerprints or something in this and it felt

545
00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:39.280
like they were going to do the
same thing where I was like this fast

546
00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:49.480
am a might? Am I confusing
with something else? You watching National Treasure

547
00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:54.559
last night? No, there was
something I think in this movie. What

548
00:35:54.599 --> 00:36:00.239
do y'all think about the brother in
this movie? Oh? I love him

549
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:08.239
in house, he's great. Society
could call that's okay, Yeah, I've

550
00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:12.440
always it's weird. So he starts
calling like he's his brother, and then

551
00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:15.480
all of a sudden, at some
point he like starts using his first name

552
00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:19.599
or his last name. It sounds
like a last name, and I was

553
00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:22.960
like, is this like his like
calling his mom by her first name?

554
00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:28.559
Situate like his teenage rebellion against his
brother. But the brother, Yeah,

555
00:36:28.639 --> 00:36:30.920
the brother plays in an evil villain. Pretty good, there's your villain Jay

556
00:36:31.079 --> 00:36:34.320
all right. But at the end
of the film, they have like a

557
00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:36.519
nod to each other, like,
yeah, we're all cool, we're good.

558
00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:42.480
But like twos earlier was trying to
switch sides and go off with with

559
00:36:42.519 --> 00:36:45.400
Bo with til Schweiger, and now
he's like and then Estella Warren hunched him

560
00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:50.880
in the face and he has like
I didn't hurt, uh that that kind

561
00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:59.400
of pulled that a punch terrible may
aigo comebacks? And then what are my

562
00:36:59.440 --> 00:37:02.360
favorite parts now that you brought up
Bow? Is that in these kind of

563
00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:07.880
movies, one of like my favorite
tropes is the like kind of Game of

564
00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:12.559
Thrones zenis that they'd try to name
everyone a very similar version of the same

565
00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:15.360
name. So we have like Bow
and Mo, and then we had like

566
00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:21.000
Bly and then you have Slivester Salone, who Sly and so like. I

567
00:37:21.079 --> 00:37:22.360
just keep mixing all these names up
in my head, and I'm like,

568
00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:25.320
this is top tier. When you
like have the names that are almost start

569
00:37:25.400 --> 00:37:29.920
repeating, I'm like, this is
going to be a good movie. I

570
00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:32.800
was thinking that the names in this
film are terrible because you have like Memo

571
00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:40.440
Moreno and Bo Brandenberg, Sofia Simone, the ladies. The laziest name picking

572
00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:45.119
is always for me Joe Tanto and
I've mentioned Demil bly Is Like, these

573
00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:47.760
aren't real names. Then I thought
about it. This was all written by

574
00:37:47.840 --> 00:37:53.920
a guy called Sylvester Stallone, a
ridiculous name, so of course they're gonna

575
00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:58.039
be ridiculous names. Is that his
real name or is that a stage that's

576
00:37:58.039 --> 00:38:01.280
his real name. Ah, okay, makes more sense because I had I

577
00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:05.519
had the same thought like his brothers
could. Frank what he called Sylvestera.

578
00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:10.159
No, it's a name. Is
Sylvesta Gardenzio Stallone. Oh so it's a

579
00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:16.760
good name. It's a great name. I still like this movie. I'm

580
00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:20.079
just liking it more. The more
we talk about it, the more I'm

581
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:23.719
enjoying it. I just, I
just I just love that they went into

582
00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:29.119
it with a two hundred and twenty
page script and Stallone got twenty million dollars

583
00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:31.480
for it. I mean, this
is at the point in Stallone's career when

584
00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:37.039
he had made ants like he his
best fet Carter. He had made like

585
00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:40.960
a Copland was good, but then
he was coming off like Assassin's Daylight was

586
00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:45.079
cool. But he was by no
means like a hot commodity at this time.

587
00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:49.239
But since this guy needed a list
talent so much, he funded his

588
00:38:49.320 --> 00:38:53.119
passion project that's two hundred and twenty
pages long, and Renny Harlan only took

589
00:38:53.159 --> 00:38:55.639
it because his movie fell through.
Renny Harlan I was supposed to direct Sound

590
00:38:55.679 --> 00:39:00.079
a Thunder for Ellie, then he
ducked out. After this, he and

591
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:06.599
do that. So it's it's just
you know, I'm not a filmmaker,

592
00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:08.400
but I do. I am smart
enough not to go into a movie with

593
00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:14.320
the two hundred and twenty page script
with four different characters and do that.

594
00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:17.639
And I also want to say I
did some data, and I researched.

595
00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:23.360
I researched cold stallone, cold stallone, cold, cold stallone. Okay,

596
00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:28.840
have you guys heard about this?
Okay, so so let me get my

597
00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:31.719
numbers here. I got some good
numbers. Okay. So when Stallone is

598
00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:37.519
in a movie and he's cold for
a long period of time, they average

599
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:42.400
two hundred and thirty seven million dollars
domestic or demolition. When he's in a

600
00:39:42.440 --> 00:39:46.840
hot picture when yep, I counted
that because I think so when he's hot,

601
00:39:47.320 --> 00:39:52.800
when it's a hot stallone driven specialists
movies like that, they only average

602
00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:58.119
one hundred and five million. Okay, so that's also again yeah, and

603
00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:01.239
they also have a much they are
actually his cold stallone movies have a fresh

604
00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:06.000
to meetum miror average because First Blood
he's in the mountains, he's cold.

605
00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:09.400
Cliffhanger, he's in the mountains,
he's cold. Rocky four, he's in

606
00:40:09.440 --> 00:40:15.280
the mountains. He's cold. Rocky
He's cold, Rocky two cold. So

607
00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:21.639
when Stallone the best Expendables two,
Expendables two is the best of the franchise.

608
00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:25.079
They're in a mountain, they have
jackets, they're cold, so the

609
00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:30.440
big Yes, that's right. So
the best Expendables movie cold stallone, he's

610
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:31.920
not cold, and the other ones. So when you see a movie with

611
00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:39.159
Stallone and he's cold, it's it's
statistically critically and financially much much almost like

612
00:40:39.280 --> 00:40:44.480
not double for the critic size,
but it's double. It's doubly for box

613
00:40:44.559 --> 00:40:46.239
office at doubles. You kind of
are you also kind of like Guardians too,

614
00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:50.280
where he's on that like ice set. Okay, okay, yeah,

615
00:40:51.199 --> 00:40:53.280
so he's on that ice planet cold
stallone. I was on that set that

616
00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:58.000
day. I had to get him
a Red Bull random story, but yeah,

617
00:40:58.039 --> 00:41:02.039
so whenever Stallone is cold, his
movies do better, Like sugar Free.

618
00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:06.440
I just want to let everyone in
regular red Bull and they didn't have

619
00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:07.199
any on set, so I said
yes to him. Then I had to

620
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:10.639
stress out about finding him one.
I think the way of getting Rocky Road

621
00:41:10.679 --> 00:41:13.800
ice cream into this, but I
can't do it, So I'm not gonna

622
00:41:14.400 --> 00:41:17.679
I'm just gonna stop. Like Rocky, it's like he's cold. He's Rocky's

623
00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:24.360
ice cream. There's something that but
it's not worth bothering with angling cash.

624
00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:29.840
He's not cold, Like there's a
scene in Colebra. So in Cobra there's

625
00:41:29.840 --> 00:41:31.800
a scene where he's like it's getting
cold and there's mountains in the background,

626
00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:36.800
but he's not cold yet. Wait, is there is there a third category

627
00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:38.280
where he's neither hot nor cold?
Like are you kind of like the Rocky

628
00:41:38.480 --> 00:41:43.000
because like Rocky four, he's cold, but he's also hot. Well,

629
00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:45.400
anything with cold like a lot of
cold, So cold was the designator.

630
00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:49.960
So like he's training in the in
the snowy mountains or whatever, he's cold.

631
00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:52.000
I don't have it in me to
get the time stamps of all of

632
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:55.199
them. I just kind of know, Like, but if he got cold,

633
00:41:55.320 --> 00:41:59.239
you put him in that category.
Yeah, And I especially know if

634
00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:02.559
there's mountains and cold, that's when
the movies are really successful. First Blood

635
00:42:04.039 --> 00:42:07.920
Cliffhanger, Rocky four is the highest
grossing of the franchise, was one of

636
00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:12.400
his biggest films ever, So yeah, put him in the Mountains. Expendables

637
00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:15.400
two highest grossing of the franchise.
Put him in the mountains and make him

638
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:19.400
cold. Your movies make a lot
of cash. He's not in the mountains

639
00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:22.239
in these movies, and he's not
cold yet. Can we talk about Burt

640
00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:25.320
Reynolds in a in a wheelchair?
I do want to talk about He's the

641
00:42:25.360 --> 00:42:29.679
slowest man in the fastest sport.
Guys on my on my lips talk about

642
00:42:29.719 --> 00:42:31.960
for a while. Okay, I
don't know how to transition. It's Sylvester

643
00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:37.320
slow and he goes at my level
and he makes him crouch down to match

644
00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:40.480
him in the wheelchair. This was
top tier cinema. This was like one

645
00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:45.840
of my favorite parts of the movie. There was what's the There's remember the

646
00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:52.119
Iron Side. There's a rebooted Iron
Side drama like a decade ago that was

647
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:54.599
canceled like midway through his first season, but in me like teaser for this

648
00:42:54.679 --> 00:42:59.000
season because he's like a detective who's
like in a wheelchair and he basically he

649
00:42:59.079 --> 00:43:01.480
says the same He's just like you
see things a little different from down here,

650
00:43:01.519 --> 00:43:05.480
and he's like seeing clues in couches
or something like. He's just like

651
00:43:06.159 --> 00:43:07.440
it's just like come on, man, Like what was Steve Martin in it

652
00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:14.960
was this brass Ironside, because I
think Ironside was you know, it was

653
00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:19.039
the Raymond Burr show, which I
know about from the BC Boys, but

654
00:43:19.199 --> 00:43:23.840
Blair Underwood from those insurance commercials,
but also from like other things that the

655
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:30.559
actually of note was Robert Ironside that
got canceled halfway through his first season.

656
00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:32.840
Mich cool. So they put him
in a wheelchair and he's like, I

657
00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:35.360
see, oh, the whole,
the whole, the whole show. Like

658
00:43:35.360 --> 00:43:37.119
the premise the show is he's a
detective in a wheelchair that he solves crimes.

659
00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:40.880
But like they sold it like things
look different from down here, and

660
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:45.000
I only remember that because this is
twenty thirteen. It's actually like literally a

661
00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:46.960
decade ago because my friend and I
just love that so much where there's like

662
00:43:47.039 --> 00:43:50.239
we didn't watch a show where it's
like that's so dumb, Like that can't

663
00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:52.599
be the premise of your show that
like people like that, like detectives who

664
00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:57.079
were able to walk, like don't
bend down to looking couches. Like he's

665
00:43:57.159 --> 00:44:00.639
just like seeing the world different from
like that's the premise. I don't know

666
00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:06.800
what it's like. That show with
the Magician that they made the guys the

667
00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:09.599
magician and they do with Vinnie Jones
and he does magic and then they helps

668
00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:14.039
they do magic tricks to catch criminals. They watch this show. What is

669
00:44:14.039 --> 00:44:17.679
it? Tell me now? It's
with the guy from Tenant who sells the

670
00:44:17.800 --> 00:44:21.719
art. Remember he runs out of
the room before it goes to gas the

671
00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:27.400
gas stuff, and he's an Oppenheimer
through Vinnie Jones. And it's with the

672
00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:34.039
lady from The Amazing Spider Man,
your NEWCI show on the spaceship that's Oh

673
00:44:34.360 --> 00:44:38.440
Avenue No. Channel five. Yeah, I love her in that show.

674
00:44:38.519 --> 00:44:42.360
And she has one of the most
like nasally American accents I've ever heard in

675
00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:45.599
my life. Okay, but she's
great, She's funny. Vinny Jones has

676
00:44:45.639 --> 00:44:50.800
done too many. They solve crimes, They solve crimes, and their magicians

677
00:44:50.840 --> 00:44:55.000
reception. Reception, yes, deception. A famed magician uses the skills of

678
00:44:55.079 --> 00:45:00.760
deception to assist the FBI in solving
high profile cases sold. There's also a

679
00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:04.679
TV show called Jonathan Creek. This
is all about that. I love Jonathan

680
00:45:04.719 --> 00:45:07.280
Creek so much. I got the
book set. That was the first thing

681
00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:09.679
that came up when I when I
googled magicians sobbing crime TV show, It

682
00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:13.719
Lives in a Windmill. It went
from Jonathan Creek to Deception. If you

683
00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:16.599
haven't seen Jonathan Creek, it's it's
excellent, It's it's yeah. It's a

684
00:45:16.639 --> 00:45:20.599
missions assistant, so he like comes
up with the tricks and then every week

685
00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:23.800
he kind of gets involved in It's
always a locked room mystery. It's always

686
00:45:23.840 --> 00:45:30.440
someone who died in a room that's
locked. Every single week, there's fifty

687
00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:32.239
of these, and every single one
is someone died in a locked room.

688
00:45:32.440 --> 00:45:37.639
There's always a different mate. Wait, Billy Zane's in this show. Okay,

689
00:45:38.280 --> 00:45:40.159
I need to I need to go. I have to go. I'm

690
00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:45.800
sorry. Jack Davenport from a Carabbean. Yeah, this is my new favorite.

691
00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:50.320
Before you Go, Before you Go, Jake and we talk about also

692
00:45:50.559 --> 00:45:54.239
solvester salone humming for no real reason. If you didn't assume that the hummer

693
00:45:54.320 --> 00:45:57.960
was going to come back around at
the end, I was waiting, just

694
00:45:58.159 --> 00:46:01.119
counting down for it. Or when
he started humming again, Jimmy Bligh starts

695
00:46:01.159 --> 00:46:06.960
coming. Yeah, he's humming.
Okay, that's a scene. I liked

696
00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:09.559
was when he was picking up the
coins. I liked something different the coin

697
00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:13.320
trick was dope. It was really
really it was really cool, and it

698
00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:15.920
was also again like this is a
cool thing, and they shoot it,

699
00:46:16.039 --> 00:46:20.239
and the scenes where he's like flicking, like when he comes around the corner

700
00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:23.559
and he's flicking the coins out once
a lap, that seemed like the corniest

701
00:46:23.679 --> 00:46:28.159
way to shoot that for something that
turns out to be so cool at the

702
00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:30.880
end. And I was like,
Okay, yeah, I like this.

703
00:46:30.039 --> 00:46:35.880
This This seesaw of like laying into
the corniest version of it and then also

704
00:46:35.960 --> 00:46:39.440
trying to be very very serious at
the same time. And and Kip Party

705
00:46:39.559 --> 00:46:45.320
not understanding that wheels can rotate and
the coin could be on the different part

706
00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:50.360
you can't see. Yeah, okay, this kid screen. I don't think

707
00:46:50.719 --> 00:46:54.599
they knew what to do with Kip
Pardude. I didn't mean so well for

708
00:46:54.719 --> 00:46:59.159
that moment, but I don't think
they knew what to do with him in

709
00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:05.599
this because he rarely ever says more
than two sentences at a time. He

710
00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:09.559
does have some speeches, but he's
mostly looking at computers, so I think

711
00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:13.239
he might have been a little overmatch. But when you're spending twenty million on

712
00:47:13.360 --> 00:47:16.559
stallone and then you got ger Shawn
and you probably paid Burt Reynolds three to

713
00:47:16.639 --> 00:47:22.039
five million. You're gonna have to
get like a Kip Pardue in this movie.

714
00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:24.840
What'd y'all think about him in this
film? I completely agree with me.

715
00:47:24.920 --> 00:47:29.679
He just said, Joe you know
who that is? Right? I

716
00:47:29.800 --> 00:47:31.280
just recognize his face. What do
I know him from? Joey? Remember

717
00:47:31.320 --> 00:47:37.480
the Titans? Yeah? Yeah,
that's that's why. Like two minutes just

718
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:39.840
like, oh, it's Sunshine and
it's raised saying, I'm like, this

719
00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:44.760
is Joe's but without the long hair
rules of attraction, had long hair blindness.

720
00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:47.719
Joey, he's Ronnie Bass Sunshine.
He got in some trouble though,

721
00:47:47.719 --> 00:47:53.239
in twenty nineteen he got fined.
Drove it, he flashed. He I

722
00:47:53.320 --> 00:48:00.079
guess he invited an intimacy coordinator into
his trailer and he no, he harassed

723
00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:07.519
the intimacy trainer. Oh yeah,
not the smartest way to do this.

724
00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:10.159
Let's play a game, is this? Okay? If I do this good

725
00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:16.559
touch, bad touch and then goes
too far, I'll get off franchise pictures

726
00:48:16.599 --> 00:48:21.039
eventually. But I thought it was
really funny quote by Ellie where he goes,

727
00:48:21.239 --> 00:48:23.719
he goes, Yeah, I pumped
the budgets. Yeah, He's like,

728
00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:27.559
how else was I going to get
my slate financed? And then the

729
00:48:27.639 --> 00:48:31.960
reporter said that a Samaha almost a
piece of shoot slate financed, and so

730
00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:36.679
the reporter said he almost said pos. But I love it that. He's

731
00:48:36.679 --> 00:48:37.199
like, yeah, I pumped the
budgets. He's like, that's what we

732
00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:42.679
all did. He not know he
was being recorded. It just this guy

733
00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:47.679
is still out there. He just
started another production company. Happier man.

734
00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:52.000
This guy he was married to Tia
Carrera making his He was married to Tia

735
00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:57.000
Carrera. He was like, well
he married Tia Carrera, yeah, back

736
00:48:57.000 --> 00:48:58.719
in the day, and he put
her in a lot of his movies.

737
00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:04.519
And like, this guy is an
absolute and he only like I sent you

738
00:49:04.599 --> 00:49:07.400
guys, I sent Jay and the
article. But like he was flying high

739
00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:12.920
from one movie, one movie,
the whole nine yards and then he fell

740
00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:19.400
from grace so fast and they got
sued for one hundred million dollars and just

741
00:49:20.360 --> 00:49:22.920
and he got paid. So who
knows how much money he made from his

742
00:49:23.079 --> 00:49:27.119
catering business. He owned a lot
of gear that he would rent his own

743
00:49:27.159 --> 00:49:30.719
movies. I have a like he
bought I have such a soft spot in

744
00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:37.440
my heart for like long term habitual
fraudsters like this, you know what I

745
00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:40.679
mean, like for you to run
run it back the next like you know,

746
00:49:40.760 --> 00:49:44.639
this is why I like Billy McFarland
so much. I mentioned fire Festival

747
00:49:44.719 --> 00:49:47.559
before, but like the idea that
he's trying to start another fire festival and

748
00:49:47.719 --> 00:49:52.719
people were actually still giving him money
makes me really happy. That's what I'm

749
00:49:52.719 --> 00:50:02.239
saying again, it can though,
That's the whole point that like it's definitely

750
00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:07.440
gonna happen. I think, I
just I just think the thing you didn't

751
00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:10.239
plan on. Like, so battle
Filled Earth is one of the It's a

752
00:50:10.519 --> 00:50:15.679
very bad film. I mean it
had next to no budget. He dumped

753
00:50:15.719 --> 00:50:17.599
them in a warehouse an abandoned mall
to shoot the movie. Like he didn't

754
00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:23.679
even give him sound stages to make
Battlefield Earth Ballistics extra sever barely makes sense.

755
00:50:24.599 --> 00:50:30.199
H three thousand miles of Graceland.
I mean, you know Kurt Russell

756
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:32.440
and so you know how they got
that movie made. He made a deal

757
00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:36.039
with Costiner. He's like, you
get final cut. And they also made

758
00:50:36.079 --> 00:50:38.639
to deal with Kurt Russell and said
you have final cut. So then they

759
00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:42.960
both made their own cuts of the
movie, and Costner's cut one, and

760
00:50:43.039 --> 00:50:45.480
that's what was in theaters mark when
we cut for that. Eventually for Viva

761
00:50:45.519 --> 00:50:47.400
pot Vegas. I want you to
come on. I want you to talk

762
00:50:47.400 --> 00:50:51.280
about that, because after we do
all of Elvis's movies, we're gonna do

763
00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:53.039
movies with Elvis in them or like
that are about Elvis or whatever. And

764
00:50:53.119 --> 00:50:55.039
so I need I need to I
need a deep dive. I needed to

765
00:50:55.039 --> 00:51:00.199
mark offfmer deep dive on three thousand
Miles of Graceland because I know nothing that

766
00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:02.920
movie, and now I'm even more
excited to see that movie. It's but

767
00:51:04.239 --> 00:51:07.480
he dumped half their budget before they
get to the location, so they had

768
00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:10.719
to change everything. I love it. But the thing about Renny is Renny

769
00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:14.559
had been making movies forever. He
had made Prison, which we talked about,

770
00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:16.639
like he had made low budget films. So I think he probably made

771
00:51:16.639 --> 00:51:20.280
a decision to go around the world
and get good b roll, right,

772
00:51:20.400 --> 00:51:22.039
get b roll all around the world. He said. He took smaller crews,

773
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:25.360
some bigger crews. He got in
the pits, he worked with,

774
00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:30.679
the car he worked with cart racing. I think stallone was committed since Stallone

775
00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:36.800
was produced writing and you know,
like Stallone was involved, and I think

776
00:51:36.880 --> 00:51:38.320
even though they probably lost a lot
of their money, they didn't have as

777
00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:45.880
much of money as they needed.
I still think that's like Harlan, it

778
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:47.960
costs him a lot of jobs.
This movie like this cost him more jobs

779
00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:53.000
and probably cutthroat island. But I
don't think if people put it into context

780
00:51:53.039 --> 00:51:57.039
how much money he had to spend. This isn't a gigantic budget bomb.

781
00:51:57.440 --> 00:52:00.000
The budget was not nearly as high
as people think, and so I would

782
00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:02.840
say at the end of the day, this movie made fifty two million worldwide.

783
00:52:04.360 --> 00:52:09.480
The budget was probably forty five after
everything was said and done, And

784
00:52:09.599 --> 00:52:13.119
so I don't think he lost a
lot of money on this. I just

785
00:52:13.159 --> 00:52:15.480
think when people see ninety two million
dollars they assume it's a dud. But

786
00:52:15.559 --> 00:52:20.039
there's just so much more to it. So I mean, it was a

787
00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:22.199
bad idea for him to go into
it. It was a bad idea for

788
00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:24.280
Slide to go into it. But
Slide got twenty mill Harlan probably got ten

789
00:52:24.360 --> 00:52:28.199
mil. So I mean they just
went and made a movie hung out with

790
00:52:28.280 --> 00:52:32.320
cart racers, drove around fast cars
like and then the movie tanked. But

791
00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:37.639
I don't know, I can't I
don't blame Harlan for this film. I

792
00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:42.639
really don't. I blame that's everything
else, and Harlan for this was the

793
00:52:42.679 --> 00:52:45.599
real I hope you get on any
point in his career because he just made

794
00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:49.760
his best film, the best film. Yeah, two years probably to see.

795
00:52:50.039 --> 00:52:52.320
And then after this is I liked
Mine Hunters. We liked Mine Hunters

796
00:52:52.360 --> 00:52:55.679
on the show. They killed people
really hot in that film. But you

797
00:52:55.800 --> 00:53:01.760
have like excess the beginning twelve.
It's not a great slit of films.

798
00:53:01.880 --> 00:53:05.400
After this, we've tough with some
of them. We're going to cover the

799
00:53:05.480 --> 00:53:08.800
rest. I can't say I'm looking
forward to some of them. I know.

800
00:53:09.559 --> 00:53:12.840
I know that, like not the
premise of the podcast, but like,

801
00:53:13.239 --> 00:53:15.760
you know, one of the premises
the podcast now is to you know,

802
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:17.280
cover his movies. And I was
like, let me, let me

803
00:53:17.599 --> 00:53:22.079
look up what movies he made,
because like, did he only do Deep

804
00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:22.599
Blue C Because I was just like, no, I'm like, I know

805
00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:25.000
that he did die Hard too,
which I which I personally really like,

806
00:53:25.159 --> 00:53:29.039
but I know that people don't necessarily
love that. I really like die Hard

807
00:53:29.079 --> 00:53:31.039
two. I'm like, oh no, he made three or four movies that

808
00:53:31.039 --> 00:53:36.039
I love, but they all came
before Driven, and there are zero movies

809
00:53:36.079 --> 00:53:38.400
that I love since Driven or like
after Deep Blue Seat, right, so

810
00:53:38.480 --> 00:53:43.039
it's like I haven't seen them,
Like I haven't seen all of his movies,

811
00:53:43.119 --> 00:53:45.519
but like die Hard two, I
think it is great. Nightmare in

812
00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:46.360
ONLM. Street four, I think
it is great. Long as Good Night,

813
00:53:46.400 --> 00:53:49.159
which we covered on two Fast,
I think it is great. Deep

814
00:53:49.159 --> 00:53:52.079
Blue Sea is obviously perfect because that's
the whole premise of this, Like you

815
00:53:52.119 --> 00:53:57.039
could say he made great stuff.
It's just you know, we're you're you

816
00:53:57.079 --> 00:53:59.159
know, we're on the wrong side
of history right now, like the post

817
00:53:59.239 --> 00:54:02.159
Deep Blue Sea, it's maybe a
little bit bleak. Hey, he's coming

818
00:54:02.239 --> 00:54:07.480
back, got The Strangers coming out
this year movies, and he's got another

819
00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:14.519
Shark film in development, so we're
hopeful that he's like he's had that mid

820
00:54:14.679 --> 00:54:21.000
career lull to come up to an
even greater third act. Is that Strangers

821
00:54:21.039 --> 00:54:24.840
anything to do with like the Strangers? The Strangers, Well, yeah,

822
00:54:24.920 --> 00:54:28.280
this is the first in the strategy, but that will be past three,

823
00:54:28.400 --> 00:54:30.559
four and five of the Strangers franchise. I just picked the first one.

824
00:54:30.559 --> 00:54:34.119
I've never seen it before. We're
gonnach, I'm gonna watcher. Oh,

825
00:54:34.199 --> 00:54:37.840
the first the First Strangers is awesome. The second one, Jay, we

826
00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:39.039
don't have to I love the second
one. But we can talk about the

827
00:54:39.079 --> 00:54:43.039
pool fight in the second one as
a Deep blue scene. Okay, I'll

828
00:54:43.079 --> 00:54:46.320
put on the list. So we
cover movies that aren't Deep Bluecy adjacent totally,

829
00:54:46.360 --> 00:54:50.119
but we just talk about the water
moments. That's a lot of fun.

830
00:54:50.400 --> 00:54:54.320
This moment there you go it,
Yeah, I mean that that is

831
00:54:54.440 --> 00:54:59.800
the most DEPC adjacent scene in this
film of the you know, they're structing

832
00:54:59.800 --> 00:55:04.519
to the guy's gonna drown, that
everything's gonna explode. It's it's very deep,

833
00:55:04.519 --> 00:55:07.920
busy moment in the waters. But
actually we haven't had we haven't got

834
00:55:07.960 --> 00:55:10.519
your guys thoughts on on Deep Blue
Sea. This is your first time on

835
00:55:10.599 --> 00:55:14.000
this show. It's kind of tradition
that when new guests come on, they

836
00:55:14.039 --> 00:55:20.239
tell us what do you guys think
of this perfect film? I haven't seen

837
00:55:20.400 --> 00:55:25.199
Deep Lucy and Forever dude, So
yes, I'm sorry. I don't watch

838
00:55:25.239 --> 00:55:29.320
it scene by scene every time.
I'm too busy watching Fast and the Furious

839
00:55:29.320 --> 00:55:32.559
scene by scene every time. So
no worries. Well, it's fair trade

840
00:55:32.559 --> 00:55:36.679
off if you want to watch it
again and refresh yourself and come back on

841
00:55:36.719 --> 00:55:39.039
and give it your thoughts. I
will. Well, But Jerry, what

842
00:55:39.079 --> 00:55:42.840
about you, if you any any
Deep Blue sy memories or are you in

843
00:55:42.840 --> 00:55:45.880
the same boat. I mean,
we had no offense to you. Ja.

844
00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:49.360
We had Mark on nineteen ninety nine
the podcast to talk about Deep bluecy

845
00:55:49.400 --> 00:55:52.559
over there, and I think it's
really good. I think it's really good.

846
00:55:52.639 --> 00:55:58.119
I think it's very fun. He
knows exactly what it is. It's

847
00:55:58.159 --> 00:56:01.159
a blast watch. I'm sure it
was a blast has to make. The

848
00:56:01.280 --> 00:56:05.199
titular song, even it's not really
the same name in the movie, is

849
00:56:05.559 --> 00:56:07.199
an all time classic. I love
it. I think it's great. I

850
00:56:07.239 --> 00:56:12.239
think it's I think it's exactly the
right kind of movie to base an entire

851
00:56:12.320 --> 00:56:17.519
podcast and pod podcast franchise around.
Thank you. We have had guests don't

852
00:56:17.599 --> 00:56:22.079
like the film. Oh so it's
it's it's fine, Like yeah, it's

853
00:56:22.119 --> 00:56:24.519
okay, it's okay, Like come, it's not everyone's cup of tea.

854
00:56:24.599 --> 00:56:28.199
I get it. It's some people
don't like Corrod that like most of the

855
00:56:28.239 --> 00:56:30.719
movies. That's fine. But the
fact that you do like it, Joey

856
00:56:30.920 --> 00:56:35.239
perfect. I'm just gonna assume that
it's when Joe rewatched it, it will

857
00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:37.480
become his new favorite film, I
think, So, I mean there's you

858
00:56:37.559 --> 00:56:40.679
know, it's it's a weird thing
about the podcast, like nineteen ninety nine,

859
00:56:40.719 --> 00:56:44.920
the podcast, where it's like we're
watching so many different kinds of movies,

860
00:56:44.920 --> 00:56:45.639
like for them for the most I
mean, I try to mix things

861
00:56:45.719 --> 00:56:47.559
up a little bit on cheap As, but for the most part, watching

862
00:56:47.639 --> 00:56:52.519
similar ish kind of movies in nineteen
and nine is like so scattered to the

863
00:56:52.519 --> 00:56:55.960
point where like it doesn't really always
make sense or work or jive or whatever.

864
00:56:57.239 --> 00:57:00.880
But there are movies that I think, like Blue Sea Wearing, you

865
00:57:00.920 --> 00:57:05.400
know, cut in between prestige movies
or Blockbuster or whatever, it is like

866
00:57:05.639 --> 00:57:07.599
work really well. And I also
like there's a movie Bats from that year

867
00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:13.480
that I really really love that's very
I think spiritually similar about like Killer Bats,

868
00:57:13.519 --> 00:57:16.239
which I think is just like great, just it's nice to mix things

869
00:57:16.320 --> 00:57:19.599
up a little bit because I think
that like nineteen ninety nine was obviously a

870
00:57:19.760 --> 00:57:23.079
very interesting time, a lot of
good movies, a lot of weird movies,

871
00:57:23.199 --> 00:57:27.280
very you know, right before nine
eleven, right before the millennium,

872
00:57:27.480 --> 00:57:30.880
so on and so forth. But
like deep Blue C's just fun. Man,

873
00:57:30.039 --> 00:57:31.599
Like I don't I don't know,
like I don't know how I call

874
00:57:31.639 --> 00:57:35.719
it like good, but I really
like it. And who cares, Like

875
00:57:35.800 --> 00:57:37.199
that's that's I mean, it's I
was, It's not good, but it's

876
00:57:37.239 --> 00:57:40.519
perfect, you know what I mean? Some enemies today. So I just

877
00:57:40.719 --> 00:57:45.599
I just added Bats to the evig
rig spreadsheet of films to cover on this

878
00:57:45.639 --> 00:57:50.920
show eventually, because we have you
expended to creature pitches. Yeah, Jake,

879
00:57:51.039 --> 00:57:53.239
have you seen do you like the
X Files? I have never seen

880
00:57:53.320 --> 00:57:57.679
an episode of the xpos. Oh
well, this basically feels like an extended

881
00:57:57.719 --> 00:57:59.800
version of the X Files, like
an extended episode the X Files. And

882
00:58:00.119 --> 00:58:01.719
I think Bats is a blast,
Like it's like eighty five minutes long.

883
00:58:01.800 --> 00:58:07.239
It's super cool. So this is
why I like doing these deeply see adjacent

884
00:58:07.360 --> 00:58:09.760
films that we're covering because it also
a lot of them are similar. Get

885
00:58:09.840 --> 00:58:14.119
we get a lot of shop films, sort of films set underwater, but

886
00:58:14.239 --> 00:58:17.079
occasionally we get films like Driven,
which is nothing at all, like deeply

887
00:58:17.639 --> 00:58:22.320
or very little, And we've covered
like Lifeboat, a very different film to

888
00:58:22.320 --> 00:58:24.840
deep Sea, but it's so on
the water, so accounts so like,

889
00:58:24.960 --> 00:58:30.480
I'd like the variety that I can
grow bar into it being similar to Deep

890
00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:35.079
See in some way. Well,
at least y'all got to learn about franchise.

891
00:58:35.239 --> 00:58:37.320
That was the best part of my
day. Honestly, it really was.

892
00:58:37.840 --> 00:58:42.039
This movie was great, but learning
about franchise pictures is what's set me

893
00:58:42.119 --> 00:58:45.199
over the top. Thank you.
When I saw Jay's score on Letterbox,

894
00:58:45.519 --> 00:58:49.360
I was like, Okay, I
need to go franchise pictures on this,

895
00:58:50.119 --> 00:58:55.480
I mean, And then I watched
it again. I was like, you

896
00:58:55.559 --> 00:58:59.320
know what, I watched all the
deleted scenes either want to watch with Stallone's

897
00:58:59.360 --> 00:59:04.360
commentary to be beat even touched on
today. But you know, you know

898
00:59:04.440 --> 00:59:07.679
what the biggest bummer of this movie
is so Estella Warren hadn't acted much,

899
00:59:07.039 --> 00:59:10.400
so that scene where she's getting broken
up with by til Schweiger. Harlan actually

900
00:59:10.480 --> 00:59:15.679
made her cry on set by being
mean to work. Yeah, and he

901
00:59:15.840 --> 00:59:19.679
was like really mean to her on
set and then he's like, I hated

902
00:59:19.760 --> 00:59:21.719
doing it. But later on she
came up to me and said that was

903
00:59:21.760 --> 00:59:24.480
great. I'm like, I don't
know already, that's a I don't know,

904
00:59:24.639 --> 00:59:28.960
you don't don't don't be yelling at
Canadian synchronized swimmers. He admits to

905
00:59:29.039 --> 00:59:31.719
that himself in his own commentary.
So I feel like it's maybe not that

906
00:59:31.960 --> 00:59:37.559
bad or he's I don't know.
I've also that they like the scenes in

907
00:59:37.599 --> 00:59:40.280
Tokyo didn't get any permits. That's
all shot Corona style, just like Get

908
00:59:40.320 --> 00:59:44.400
Out of the Van film stuff,
give back in very Tokyo. Drift of

909
00:59:44.480 --> 00:59:50.800
that that's fun. Yeah, And
Memo was a Chilean firefighter and pilot like

910
00:59:51.119 --> 00:59:52.599
the Duds. The dude's a legit
guy. Like, I like Memo.

911
00:59:52.719 --> 00:59:54.519
The scene was like, yeah,
I'll take off my ring, Like I

912
00:59:54.679 --> 00:59:58.039
liked him in that, Like that
was a cute moment. There was a

913
00:59:58.079 --> 01:00:00.000
moment that was a very cute.
Yeah, Like I love like he he

914
01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:07.440
played dumb enough to not have me
stealing your ex wife be ten like a

915
01:00:07.559 --> 01:00:10.400
source of tension between me and you, you know, and when it really

916
01:00:10.480 --> 01:00:14.360
should be. But like if you
saw this guy and like he starts acting

917
01:00:14.440 --> 01:00:15.920
like this, he'd be like,
it's not his fault, it's her fault.

918
01:00:16.039 --> 01:00:21.000
Don't worry about it, you know, Like because that comes straight it's

919
01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:24.039
adorable because straight off the terrible dialogue
Mark and like hate this kind of thing

920
01:00:24.119 --> 01:00:28.800
where but reynolds a sense of slone
ah that ex wife of yours piece of

921
01:00:28.880 --> 01:00:31.719
work divorces you and marries another driver. Everyone in that scene knows what's happening.

922
01:00:31.840 --> 01:00:36.360
But so we didn't meet just after
that, and you're expecting, like

923
01:00:36.360 --> 01:00:38.440
he's going to be another He's going
to be the male equivalent of Gina Gershon.

924
01:00:38.440 --> 01:00:42.559
He's gonna be this terrible guys,
always lording it over, but he's

925
01:00:42.559 --> 01:00:51.920
a nice guys. Yes, he
gets possibly paralyzed unclear in the explosion,

926
01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:54.639
never confirmed. I would like to
just imagine if he breaks out of the

927
01:00:54.719 --> 01:01:00.119
hospital like The Rock does with his
cast. That's it's like one day he

928
01:01:00.239 --> 01:01:05.880
just like like stands up and it's
just like yep, I'm good. In

929
01:01:05.880 --> 01:01:09.559
the whole hospital just crumbles around him. Yeah, get it memo. And

930
01:01:09.639 --> 01:01:13.719
then that scene where the lady goes
up to ChIL Schweiger and she's like if

931
01:01:13.719 --> 01:01:15.119
I kiss every driver and he doesn't
let her. She's like one of the

932
01:01:15.159 --> 01:01:19.320
most popular German pop stars on the
planet and she was just there that day.

933
01:01:19.679 --> 01:01:22.280
So yeah, so that whole bit
came up on the day. I

934
01:01:22.400 --> 01:01:28.119
like that one that shows some personality
from him. Yeah, Jay any other

935
01:01:28.199 --> 01:01:30.679
things that you learn from these scenes
that you wanted to talk about, Like

936
01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:36.400
Stallone's such a smart guy. He
has been making like he keeps coming back

937
01:01:36.559 --> 01:01:39.000
right, Like he seventies, he
wins an Oscar, eighties, he had

938
01:01:39.039 --> 01:01:43.199
giant hits, nineties, giant hits, and then his career goes into down

939
01:01:43.360 --> 01:01:45.159
like isn't doing great, But then
he pops up with Rocky, Rocky Balboa

940
01:01:45.599 --> 01:01:49.719
and Rambo, and then he pops
up with the Expendables and then he's in

941
01:01:49.840 --> 01:01:52.639
Creed. Like this is a guy
who I think he's just such a smart

942
01:01:52.880 --> 01:01:57.880
man, Like I think he really
understands characters, he knows how to write,

943
01:01:57.960 --> 01:02:00.199
and he's been staying relevant in the
End of Street since the seventies,

944
01:02:00.840 --> 01:02:06.440
like he's and I actually love hearing
him talk like he does it. And

945
01:02:06.519 --> 01:02:08.360
I listened to it in an hour
and a half of him talking about editing

946
01:02:08.519 --> 01:02:14.480
the Rocky four directors cut, Like
I just love listening to Stallone talk and

947
01:02:14.559 --> 01:02:17.159
the way he talks about characters.
So you know, I know, Jay,

948
01:02:17.199 --> 01:02:21.039
you had to listen to it,
but I like, really I like

949
01:02:21.119 --> 01:02:25.239
getting into Stallone's headspace, Like I
really like learning from him. Yeah,

950
01:02:25.280 --> 01:02:30.599
he's not a guy that I've really
like valued or praise much in the past.

951
01:02:30.639 --> 01:02:34.400
He's got some films. I really
like Daylight, deminition Man put my

952
01:02:34.400 --> 01:02:37.679
favorite films, but I've never really
listened to him speaking as himself, and

953
01:02:37.760 --> 01:02:43.679
so listening to his commentary on those
fifty minutes of deleted scenes, it was

954
01:02:43.840 --> 01:02:46.159
really like, hell, he actually
he knows. He's like, he's a

955
01:02:46.239 --> 01:02:49.760
smart guy. He like if you
just take it as like, oh,

956
01:02:49.840 --> 01:02:52.159
yeah he wrote driven, you're gonna
come off at the thinking maybe he's not

957
01:02:52.199 --> 01:02:55.559
a smart guy. But for listening
to him talk about it, there is

958
01:02:55.599 --> 01:02:59.880
a lot a lot more going on, and I thought I'd like to apologize

959
01:02:59.880 --> 01:03:02.719
to this guy. I know he's
he's listening right now for doubting him and

960
01:03:02.800 --> 01:03:06.119
the bus. You're welcome to come
on the show, sir. We'll talk

961
01:03:06.159 --> 01:03:10.039
about Daylight with it. I loved
him, but just he's not He was

962
01:03:10.199 --> 01:03:15.559
very careful with how he spoke in
acumentary because he's not saying things against Ronny

963
01:03:15.639 --> 01:03:21.719
Harland for cutting him out of these
scenes. He's praising everybody else. Yeah,

964
01:03:22.400 --> 01:03:23.599
he like plays his all the cars
and what else? Who watch in

965
01:03:23.599 --> 01:03:28.519
the film never mentions Ronnie Harland's name
at all. In that the guy who

966
01:03:28.559 --> 01:03:31.639
cut him out of this film.
Essentially, Yeah, so I feel like

967
01:03:31.719 --> 01:03:35.719
there is a coin of this film
where he is the star. It's it's

968
01:03:35.800 --> 01:03:44.480
the Joe Tanto story featuring Jimmy a
little bit of the side espeically Rocky five

969
01:03:44.599 --> 01:03:50.880
with cars, But that's what he
wanted, right, This was Rocky with

970
01:03:51.519 --> 01:03:54.599
cart cars. Yeah, I don't
know, that's that's that's all I wanted

971
01:03:54.639 --> 01:03:59.159
to this one, Oh, Joey. Any any other thoughts on Driven?

972
01:03:59.400 --> 01:04:02.079
Do we think if there's German Hawaiian
tropic girls, because that just doesn't feel

973
01:04:02.280 --> 01:04:08.440
appropriate, Like, I can't imagine
German being I doubt there's any Hawaiian Hawaiian

974
01:04:09.360 --> 01:04:11.960
that's true. But I was like, specifically in Germany, I was like,

975
01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:14.440
that doesn't seem like a place it's
that sunny, so like I don't

976
01:04:14.599 --> 01:04:19.239
get why they have these like tan
chicks there. But and also as someone

977
01:04:19.360 --> 01:04:24.159
who who watches a lot of racing
at F one and stuff like that,

978
01:04:25.760 --> 01:04:29.639
one of my favorite parts of this
movie is that the drivers have comms to

979
01:04:29.800 --> 01:04:32.159
each other while driving, and your
wife, like your ex wife, does

980
01:04:32.320 --> 01:04:35.519
get on your comms as well if
she wants, Like, there's not a

981
01:04:35.599 --> 01:04:40.400
designated person that's just talking to you
while you're driving. You could just kind

982
01:04:40.440 --> 01:04:44.360
of just like you know, walkie
talkie into whoever, like drop in breakout

983
01:04:44.480 --> 01:04:46.679
room situation and just go and talk
to whoever you want. In the middle

984
01:04:46.719 --> 01:04:50.639
of the race, did Jill you
want tacos? Later? Get off the

985
01:04:50.760 --> 01:04:56.559
cars? Do you know what Estella
Warren's role was at the race track,

986
01:04:56.920 --> 01:05:02.000
because like she's initially with bro break
up and then she's before she then like

987
01:05:02.239 --> 01:05:08.400
his friends with well, no,
she's still there Jay. She explicitly says

988
01:05:09.039 --> 01:05:12.440
towards the end of the movie what
her role is. She's there to get

989
01:05:12.559 --> 01:05:17.599
blamed if he loses. Oh how
did she does not paywell the dental No,

990
01:05:17.960 --> 01:05:19.599
it's a horrible job to have.
But he's like, he's like,

991
01:05:19.679 --> 01:05:21.440
it's you're faulted by lou. She's
like, that's what I'm here for.

992
01:05:21.559 --> 01:05:24.599
Like it's it's almost I think for
abating like that. I'm like, this

993
01:05:24.800 --> 01:05:28.960
is a terrible thing to talk about. I'm Sofia, that's your problem.

994
01:05:30.079 --> 01:05:31.960
I think I thought he was joke
because he dumped her because he wanted to

995
01:05:32.119 --> 01:05:36.079
have like no nothing in his way
to get to the top. And then

996
01:05:36.119 --> 01:05:42.960
he drives better, but they never
Yeah, and then he and then and

997
01:05:43.039 --> 01:05:46.039
then Joe only wants him to take
her back because she's hanging out with the

998
01:05:46.199 --> 01:05:49.880
driver and he can't focus on himself. So they're sort of just bouncing for

999
01:05:50.119 --> 01:05:55.880
Estella war end and back with with
By at the end. I just not

1000
01:05:55.960 --> 01:05:59.559
win that race. Yeah, she's
like a bad one and her broad broad

1001
01:05:59.639 --> 01:06:05.039
swimmer shoulders. Hey, j So
how Deep and Blue is it? Okay?

1002
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Well, first off, how is
this film similar Deep Blue Sea?

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01:06:09.119 --> 01:06:13.559
I have a list. If my
connection fails during this, I apologize.

1004
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I'm just going to keep in lots
of communicating over the radio. They talk

1005
01:06:17.159 --> 01:06:20.800
about a mountain catastrophe because Reynolds says
he wants someone he's been up to the

1006
01:06:20.840 --> 01:06:25.480
mountain and formidably down, so like
that it counted. I guess there's a

1007
01:06:25.599 --> 01:06:30.119
dance party. Sofia swims at one
point and it's synchronized swimming. Likes the

1008
01:06:30.159 --> 01:06:32.760
music video. Actually, she has
a feet straight up in the air,

1009
01:06:32.840 --> 01:06:40.719
like the dead guy from Tangle from
Tentacles recently as a helicopter briefly, the

1010
01:06:40.840 --> 01:06:45.920
antagonist Bow is a cold, emotionless
monster in Something. Some of these are

1011
01:06:46.000 --> 01:06:49.559
very tenure. There are shots looking
up from underwater. It just happens to

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01:06:49.599 --> 01:06:54.400
be in a stink, but it
still counts. There is a there's an

1013
01:06:54.440 --> 01:06:58.440
incoming storm at the German Race,
which I worked out because the German race

1014
01:06:58.519 --> 01:07:02.320
for the Geman word is winter storm, which I translated beet winter storm.

1015
01:07:03.119 --> 01:07:08.920
There are Formula one results on a
newspaper, just like at the the second

1016
01:07:08.960 --> 01:07:14.320
scene in Deep Blue Sea when doctor
Susan McAllister is talking to Sam Jackson,

1017
01:07:14.559 --> 01:07:17.599
there's a newspaper with the headline of
like hacking and wins or something hacking and

1018
01:07:17.679 --> 01:07:21.400
one of the few racists not in
this book, but there were they.

1019
01:07:21.719 --> 01:07:27.679
In the rain, people spin out
or fall over because it happens in Indepucy

1020
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a vehicle explodes in water. They
drag him out across the water's safety.

1021
01:07:30.440 --> 01:07:34.920
They worked the save a guy.
There's blurry point of view shots which in

1022
01:07:35.119 --> 01:07:40.400
this moment from Driving and Indepoca from
the Shark, and there's Renny Harlan cameo.

1023
01:07:40.559 --> 01:07:45.480
He plays a replacement driver in that
scene where Kit Potty has to hop

1024
01:07:45.559 --> 01:07:47.719
up and down on his broken leg. I Renny Harland's in the background and

1025
01:07:47.760 --> 01:07:54.000
the replacement driver similarities seen this one
in DBC but how deep and how blue

1026
01:07:54.079 --> 01:07:57.119
is this film? As your as
you to a less familiar deepacy, you

1027
01:07:57.199 --> 01:08:01.360
may not remember that Deepnesse is of
approximately fourteen and a half meters or fourty

1028
01:08:01.400 --> 01:08:05.320
seven and a half feet and thirty
one percent blue. So when I went

1029
01:08:05.440 --> 01:08:08.480
when I went through Deep to See, I kind of worked out how blue

1030
01:08:08.559 --> 01:08:12.519
it was every given point during the
film and now Deep the action was roughly

1031
01:08:12.599 --> 01:08:16.479
taking place, and worked out that
average. Do you think Driven is deeper

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01:08:17.000 --> 01:08:23.399
and all bluer than Deep Blue seat
the question for the ages, No,

1033
01:08:24.319 --> 01:08:28.039
even with the rain and the blue
cars, I don't think that the rain

1034
01:08:28.159 --> 01:08:34.600
adds up enough to be deeper and
bluer Thue. You are correct. This

1035
01:08:34.800 --> 01:08:40.880
is the only scenes that take place
at any kind of depth are when Sophia

1036
01:08:41.039 --> 01:08:44.840
swimming, and even then it's like
minus a little bit. And there are

1037
01:08:44.880 --> 01:08:50.199
some scenes up in a plane.
So the average depth is three point one

1038
01:08:50.279 --> 01:08:54.399
seven meters up in the air.
Will ten and a half feet up in

1039
01:08:54.399 --> 01:08:59.640
the air even if the cars are
low? Yeah? Can I ask you

1040
01:08:59.680 --> 01:09:03.600
a question? She gets a pool
on the top of a hotel, is

1041
01:09:03.640 --> 01:09:08.439
that deeper if they go underwater?
If they go underwater, I count it

1042
01:09:08.479 --> 01:09:11.119
as depths. If they get out
of the water, it counts. As

1043
01:09:11.359 --> 01:09:14.520
I was thinking some of the tracks
might be under sea level two, you

1044
01:09:14.600 --> 01:09:16.079
know what I mean. So I
was wondering if you factored in the tracks

1045
01:09:16.199 --> 01:09:21.159
like the sea level of the tracks. I don't factor in sea level because

1046
01:09:21.199 --> 01:09:26.319
I will lose my mind. Fact
So it's basically, if they're on land,

1047
01:09:26.399 --> 01:09:29.119
I count as a meter up in
the air. Fair That's just kind

1048
01:09:29.119 --> 01:09:31.199
of my base rule. But if
they go like upper mountain, like in

1049
01:09:31.279 --> 01:09:34.520
Cliffhanger, then I factor that in. There's some scenes in twelve Rounds when

1050
01:09:34.520 --> 01:09:36.479
they're on top of a building,
I fack that in. When they're up

1051
01:09:36.520 --> 01:09:42.520
in the the stadium when slowed until
a try having the conversation, I can

1052
01:09:42.680 --> 01:09:45.319
factor that in. But if they're
on the ground, it's plus one.

1053
01:09:45.760 --> 01:09:48.800
Otherwise I'm here for all day doing
this. Never blue us. This works

1054
01:09:48.840 --> 01:09:54.319
out being about seven point two percent
blue. It's not terrible. There's some

1055
01:09:54.359 --> 01:09:57.560
shots of sky, there's some blue
pas, blue uniforms and things, but

1056
01:09:57.640 --> 01:10:01.000
it's not it's not very blue.
In terms of our ranking. That means

1057
01:10:01.039 --> 01:10:10.439
that this is our fifty eight deepest
shallowest, fifty eighth shallowest film and also

1058
01:10:11.079 --> 01:10:16.600
fifty eighth bluest it's time both.
So this is deeper than Triangle, less

1059
01:10:16.640 --> 01:10:24.479
deep than Muppet Treasure Island, blue
other than deep water, and less blue

1060
01:10:24.520 --> 01:10:27.119
than The Misfits. There any hard
of the film The Misfits, so not

1061
01:10:27.279 --> 01:10:32.319
terribly deep, not terribly black,
not a great showing Triangle and Muppets Treasure

1062
01:10:32.399 --> 01:10:35.840
Island in the same sentence. I
don't know if that's ever been like.

1063
01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:44.159
This is right between those two films. It's a it's a beautiful list deep

1064
01:10:44.199 --> 01:10:45.680
wad you guys? Do you did
the ben Affleck Deep Water? Different ones,

1065
01:10:45.960 --> 01:10:48.640
the ben Affleck and dalist one.
It sounded like it was gonna be

1066
01:10:48.680 --> 01:10:53.199
more deep Jason, and actually was. No. I love that movie.

1067
01:10:53.399 --> 01:10:56.800
That movie. I want the directors
kind of that movie Real bad Man and

1068
01:10:56.880 --> 01:11:04.560
Man. Yeah, that's that's a
film. That's movie many snails. All

1069
01:11:04.600 --> 01:11:09.239
right, great, where can we
find you? Guys? We're the Joe

1070
01:11:09.279 --> 01:11:12.960
and Joey Wait, Joey, Joe
and Joe too or Joe and Joey.

1071
01:11:13.039 --> 01:11:15.760
You can do you either call us
both Joe or both Jewey. It doesn't

1072
01:11:15.760 --> 01:11:17.359
make any sense to me, but
that's just how you do it. It's

1073
01:11:17.399 --> 01:11:21.079
okay, Okay, where can we
find y'all? Joe hit him with it?

1074
01:11:21.239 --> 01:11:26.600
You find us pretty much everywhere at
Too Fast, Too Forever with the

1075
01:11:26.760 --> 01:11:34.960
number two Twitter, Instagram, Uh, find the main website, Go Bigger,

1076
01:11:35.000 --> 01:11:36.640
Go broader? What do we do? Who are we? What do

1077
01:11:36.720 --> 01:11:40.479
we do? Every child? Yeah? Every Tuesday we record a podcast.

1078
01:11:40.600 --> 01:11:45.159
It's sometimes Twitter. Sorry, it's
it's about the Fast of the Furious movies

1079
01:11:45.199 --> 01:11:48.199
where we watch them in a loop
over and over and over again until we

1080
01:11:48.279 --> 01:11:56.279
go bensane and which has happened yet? And then you know, hasn't it?

1081
01:11:56.479 --> 01:12:00.319
We cut in some other movies,
usually about cars, usually about people

1082
01:12:00.359 --> 01:12:02.279
that are in the Fast and the
Furious, like you know, kind of

1083
01:12:02.319 --> 01:12:09.279
stuff like this adjacent tangential. So
you can find us there every Tuesday and

1084
01:12:09.720 --> 01:12:15.560
at Cage Club dot me. So
I was on recently one of the Fast

1085
01:12:15.600 --> 01:12:18.760
and Furious, the fourth one,
And then since then you've had a listener

1086
01:12:18.800 --> 01:12:26.319
write in saying that that they thought
the same way that I do. Have

1087
01:12:26.560 --> 01:12:30.920
you sent this person? Help?
Oh? I need? Are they okay?

1088
01:12:30.600 --> 01:12:34.079
I need? I would assume that
they listened to that and liked me

1089
01:12:34.239 --> 01:12:36.760
for some reasons. They may have
come here. So if you're out there.

1090
01:12:38.600 --> 01:12:41.920
It's like, are you okay?
Oh yeah? This was this was

1091
01:12:42.039 --> 01:12:45.640
West writing in because you had an
idea about new ways for us to watch

1092
01:12:45.680 --> 01:12:47.640
the movies, and you said,
watch him alphabetically, and then you spent

1093
01:12:47.720 --> 01:12:50.000
a long time trying to figure out
how that would work. And then West

1094
01:12:50.000 --> 01:12:53.560
spent even more time trying to figure
how that would work. And then I

1095
01:12:53.640 --> 01:12:55.520
got all excited. I'm like,
I'm gonna read this because these are new

1096
01:12:55.600 --> 01:12:58.119
rankings. I'm like, they're not
new rankings, They're just him doing alphabet

1097
01:12:58.119 --> 01:13:03.880
at you know, the whole email
potation outization of the fast serious with a

1098
01:13:03.920 --> 01:13:08.399
bunch of rules that were some use, some not made up. Who knows,

1099
01:13:08.560 --> 01:13:14.000
but yeah, I hope, I
hope he knows. He knows he

1100
01:13:14.119 --> 01:13:16.880
needs help with like that. So
it's it's good he's he's very open to

1101
01:13:17.000 --> 01:13:21.119
it. So, you know,
shout out to West. Where's I got

1102
01:13:21.199 --> 01:13:25.680
a daughter? I have a daughter? About the busting Mallory, come on,

1103
01:13:25.720 --> 01:13:33.239
name girl, don't we have some
plucks? A small look at her?

1104
01:13:33.479 --> 01:13:38.119
Hey, Mallorie, you can't hear
me? Yeah, don't go ahead,

1105
01:13:38.119 --> 01:13:41.640
phone in, Mark, put a
put a headphone in a ear.

1106
01:13:41.920 --> 01:13:47.199
I just waved at my camera that's
turned off. Hi Hi Mallari, Hi

1107
01:13:47.319 --> 01:13:57.640
Mallari, say hi, say hi
Mallary. Hello him so happy, so

1108
01:13:57.800 --> 01:14:02.039
much hair. She just busted at
the door. He played with this right

1109
01:14:02.119 --> 01:14:05.359
on, right on that. Mallory
will be a guest. She's almost two,

1110
01:14:05.439 --> 01:14:12.760
so she'll be on two fasts year
old on SI in about sixteen years.

1111
01:14:12.800 --> 01:14:14.560
She'll do it too fast too.
No, I thought you were saying

1112
01:14:14.600 --> 01:14:16.560
when she turns too we have a
two fast too, Mallory. Ah,

1113
01:14:16.880 --> 01:14:19.880
So that's what you should have her
on before she turns to because then she's

1114
01:14:19.960 --> 01:14:24.319
one to cover the first one,
then she turns to cover the second one,

1115
01:14:24.359 --> 01:14:28.800
and do once a year. That's
a good idea. One year olds.

1116
01:14:29.760 --> 01:14:39.319
Then what do you consider? She
has no knees? All right,

1117
01:14:40.000 --> 01:14:43.960
every fruit, every new mark.
Do you have any plugs? Yeah,

1118
01:14:44.279 --> 01:14:49.000
movie SOMs of flicks. And I
got some fun articles coming out. I

1119
01:14:49.039 --> 01:14:51.640
don't want to jinx it yet,
but I got two big articles coming out

1120
01:14:51.640 --> 01:14:58.720
in September October. I got some
fun I have a fandom video about the

1121
01:14:58.800 --> 01:15:01.800
boys coming out in the biggest franchise
by the numbers. Yeah, I'll keep

1122
01:15:01.840 --> 01:15:06.479
you updated when the articles are released. Nice and that the arschool link you

1123
01:15:06.520 --> 01:15:09.560
sent me earlier to the New York
Times. Didn't work when I try to

1124
01:15:09.600 --> 01:15:13.520
open it, so instead I found
this great piece written by Mark Utmer Moves

1125
01:15:13.560 --> 01:15:15.960
all the Flix one franchise film so
I read that instead, So listen,

1126
01:15:16.279 --> 01:15:19.800
good find and you can find my
writing at lifeasts film dot com. And

1127
01:15:20.000 --> 01:15:25.399
that's about it. Follow this podcast
on all social media at deep Blue seapod

1128
01:15:25.479 --> 01:15:27.680
email as deep We see pot at
gmail dot com. If you have any

1129
01:15:27.720 --> 01:15:31.680
recommendations for other films well scenes,
we could cover any on any upcoming episode.

1130
01:15:32.279 --> 01:15:36.000
As for today, As for Driven, thank you once again to our

1131
01:15:36.039 --> 01:15:41.399
guests from Too Fast, Too Forever, Joe Dwandowski and Joe too thanks for

1132
01:15:41.520 --> 01:15:46.880
having us. Thank you goodbye,
I've been Jake Blewitt m that's Mark them.

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01:15:48.359 --> 01:16:04.159
We'll deep Blue see you next week. Can