WEBVTT 1 00:00:12.880 --> 00:00:20.280 Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. I don't know 2 00:00:20.280 --> 00:00:24.359 what it is, but it seems like our modern society is out of touch 3 00:00:24.440 --> 00:00:30.359 with the cosmos, with the elements, with nature, and we're fighting it. 4 00:00:31.280 --> 00:00:38.159 And when we look at our ancestors, and also other communities, other 5 00:00:38.359 --> 00:00:45.280 cultures like the Maya and the pre dynastic and dynastic Egyptians, and the early 6 00:00:45.320 --> 00:00:51.560 ancient Chinese and other ancient cultures, or they were in harmony with nature and 7 00:00:52.039 --> 00:00:59.119 they lived by the cycles. They built observatories to measure the seasons and look 8 00:00:59.159 --> 00:01:03.879 at the earth from an energetic point of view. And I've mentioned this before. 9 00:01:04.040 --> 00:01:10.040 It's coming to light that the at least in the Maya civilization, early 10 00:01:10.079 --> 00:01:17.480 Maya, they built their cities based on constellations and connections. And we can 11 00:01:17.519 --> 00:01:23.920 take that one step further. They actually have bits and pieces of data on 12 00:01:23.079 --> 00:01:29.359 working with star people. Now we know the Hopee and the Zooni through different 13 00:01:29.400 --> 00:01:36.000 elders we've had on the program, describe their work, describe communicating and meeting 14 00:01:36.040 --> 00:01:41.640 with star people, and it just seems that this was very natural for them 15 00:01:41.719 --> 00:01:48.040 to connect with these off world beings because there was a connection an energetic connection 16 00:01:48.719 --> 00:01:53.879 that we've lost, and this is what we're dealing with today in our so 17 00:01:53.959 --> 00:02:00.159 called modern civilization or modern culture, is a lack of awareness for subtle energy, 18 00:02:00.959 --> 00:02:07.760 for the energetics of the cosmos, constellations, the planets. I mean, 19 00:02:07.760 --> 00:02:13.039 we get a little bit of when we talk about astrology and we are 20 00:02:13.240 --> 00:02:19.199 walking among these megalists that are aligned with lay lines, geomagnetic t lyric fields 21 00:02:19.199 --> 00:02:23.479 that bubble up, and we connect with that. But why are we not 22 00:02:23.759 --> 00:02:32.560 having enough connection with UAPs UFOs the beings. Some suspect they are anthropologists who 23 00:02:32.599 --> 00:02:38.840 come and visit and view us and land in many places and in very rare 24 00:02:38.960 --> 00:02:46.400 cases leave their ships to come out and meet with humanity. And unfortunately, 25 00:02:46.479 --> 00:02:50.199 we're just not getting enough of that because we probably scare the hell out of 26 00:02:51.000 --> 00:02:55.199 being that's a thousand or more years in advance of us, because we're dangerous. 27 00:02:57.240 --> 00:03:01.879 You know. The Americans are shoot first, ask questions later. This 28 00:03:01.960 --> 00:03:08.319 is how they approach the whole ufo phenomena. So how the hell can these 29 00:03:08.960 --> 00:03:16.439 otherworldly beings leave their ships and want to meet with us? We do see 30 00:03:16.479 --> 00:03:24.000 this and we hear about it in Central America in some spots in Mexico and 31 00:03:24.080 --> 00:03:30.439 in South America. It hasn't been recent, but there's been cases documented of 32 00:03:30.560 --> 00:03:38.520 alien ship, alien ships landing, the occupants getting out, greeting the local 33 00:03:38.319 --> 00:03:46.479 individual here or there, and in some cases they are invited up into the 34 00:03:46.520 --> 00:03:51.599 ship. Now it's becoming, like I said, very difficult to see this 35 00:03:51.759 --> 00:04:03.280 because this attitude of fear and violence against these aliens is very very much in 36 00:04:03.319 --> 00:04:08.400 our society. This is what we It's not that what we it's not what 37 00:04:08.439 --> 00:04:11.800 we preach, but we have a great fear of this, and we have 38 00:04:11.919 --> 00:04:16.800 to get over this. And we've had people on the program that have said, 39 00:04:17.040 --> 00:04:21.160 we will eventually get over it, and we will be in a state 40 00:04:21.199 --> 00:04:29.199 of mind where we can greet these space brothers, these these people that live 41 00:04:30.319 --> 00:04:35.360 likely on neighboring planets. You know, you know, I wouldn't be surprised 42 00:04:35.920 --> 00:04:41.079 if Mars had a community of people. And it's been speculated that under the 43 00:04:41.120 --> 00:04:47.319 surface of Mars there is a civilization, so and who knows how sophisticated they 44 00:04:47.360 --> 00:04:53.480 are. Another thing that's very interesting, and we've hinted on it is under 45 00:04:53.519 --> 00:05:00.519 ocean craft or communities. Under our ocean, there's more water than there is 46 00:05:00.639 --> 00:05:05.680 land, and there are documented the events of ships flying out of the water, 47 00:05:06.399 --> 00:05:12.480 ships plunging into the water and going who knows where. This is something 48 00:05:12.480 --> 00:05:16.920 to consider. So are they waiting for us to reveal ourselves to be more 49 00:05:17.800 --> 00:05:26.160 pleasant and accepting of their being here in their ships? Well, right now 50 00:05:26.199 --> 00:05:30.800 it's not happening. We're just not ready for it. So when that day 51 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:35.480 comes, I will rejoice. I will rejoice. My guest today is Micah 52 00:05:35.560 --> 00:05:41.879 Hanks. He is a research investigator who's written a number of books, and 53 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:48.399 he is also the MC for the upcoming Cosmic Summit June fifteenth and sixteenth's going 54 00:05:48.439 --> 00:05:53.600 to be held at Greenboro, North Carolina, and this is not to be 55 00:05:53.680 --> 00:06:00.800 missed. We're promoting this event and it's also we're promoting the streaming media so 56 00:06:00.879 --> 00:06:05.800 you can hear people like Randallcarlson, Robert Schock, Pravin Mohan, Scott Walter, 57 00:06:06.680 --> 00:06:10.720 and on and on and on. They've got a great lineup, and 58 00:06:10.959 --> 00:06:14.120 you know, it's really hard to get to these places, but you can 59 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:20.480 now get all the information by going to Cosmicsummit dot com, Forward slash Earth 60 00:06:20.519 --> 00:06:29.040 Ancients. So we're gonna learn today about the latest details of the latest governmental 61 00:06:29.560 --> 00:06:34.199 cover up of UAPs. They're alien occupants and some of the latest information. 62 00:06:34.839 --> 00:06:42.439 And my guest today is Micah Hanks, and the program is UAPs and First 63 00:06:42.560 --> 00:07:23.240 Contact. This is conference season, and of course we are a sponsor of 64 00:07:23.439 --> 00:07:27.560 Cosmic Summit, which is coming up June fifteenth and sixteenth, is going to 65 00:07:27.600 --> 00:07:31.759 be held in Greensboro, North Carolina. And not only do they have a 66 00:07:31.839 --> 00:07:40.120 superior quite a well connected the presenters, it is in a great location and 67 00:07:40.319 --> 00:07:44.639 it is really quite a great deal. If you need more information about that, 68 00:07:44.759 --> 00:07:48.240 it's Cosmic Summit dot com Forward slash Earth Ancients. We'll get more into 69 00:07:48.279 --> 00:07:55.199 that in a minute. We have the MC for this conference. His name 70 00:07:55.279 --> 00:08:01.040 is Micah Hanks, and he is quite a interesting guy. I have to 71 00:08:01.079 --> 00:08:05.240 tell you he's written three books. I didn't know this he's noted. Books 72 00:08:05.240 --> 00:08:11.519 are The Ghost Rockets, The Complete Guide to Maverick Podcasting, and then Magic 73 00:08:11.720 --> 00:08:18.839 Mysticism and The Molecule. But when I have a Micah on the program, 74 00:08:18.839 --> 00:08:22.959 not only to talk about the conference, but he is a ufologist. And 75 00:08:24.040 --> 00:08:28.399 whenever I can get somebody on the program who really has been doing deep dives, 76 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:33.600 I do it because I am a bit of an interested individual myself. 77 00:08:33.600 --> 00:08:37.080 I'm not a ufologist, but I have had a lot of people on the 78 00:08:37.080 --> 00:08:43.080 program and also in conferences around San Francisco Bay area to know what's going on, 79 00:08:43.320 --> 00:08:48.600 what's the deal. My big issue is land your craft come out and 80 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:52.519 say hi. But we're going to find out today why. It's not that 81 00:08:52.759 --> 00:08:56.320 simple. So Mike, I welcome to Destiny. Great to see you. 82 00:08:58.120 --> 00:09:01.279 It's wonderful to be here. Cliff as always good to see you as well, 83 00:09:01.320 --> 00:09:07.960 Sir fantastic. I was looking at your podcast and you are really taking 84 00:09:09.120 --> 00:09:13.399 a deep dive into some of the latest and greatest material. What's your interest? 85 00:09:13.519 --> 00:09:18.679 Did you have you had a lifelong interest or is it something happened in 86 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:22.480 your life where you said I have to know more about this. Well, 87 00:09:22.519 --> 00:09:26.879 I certainly have had a lifelong interest. And the other question everybody always asks 88 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:31.639 is have you seen one of these objects yourself? Have you seen something in 89 00:09:31.679 --> 00:09:33.240 our skies that you can't explain? And I got to tell you, when 90 00:09:33.279 --> 00:09:37.240 I was about five years old, I did see a mysterious light in the 91 00:09:37.279 --> 00:09:41.679 sky. I was convinced that it was a UFO, and I went to 92 00:09:41.679 --> 00:09:43.320 school the next day and I was talking to a friend of my Brandy, 93 00:09:43.759 --> 00:09:46.320 and she and I were sitting there, probably you know, working with construction 94 00:09:46.399 --> 00:09:50.039 paper and doing stuff like kindergartner's do. And I said, I think I 95 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:52.840 saw a UFO last night, and she said, oh, no, that 96 00:09:52.919 --> 00:09:54.879 was the pizza Huts sign. They were just you know, advertising to get 97 00:09:54.879 --> 00:09:58.679 people to come pick up pizza. Now, I asked my mom and dad, 98 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:00.519 I said, did you see that light last it's not and they said, 99 00:10:00.519 --> 00:10:03.360 honey, it was an airplane. So in my mind's eye I remember 100 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:07.600 it so vividly, but looking back and reflecting, you know, I agree 101 00:10:07.639 --> 00:10:11.440 with mom and dad it was probably just my young imagination. But the more 102 00:10:11.559 --> 00:10:15.200 significant takeaway here is that, I mean, at that age, I knew 103 00:10:15.240 --> 00:10:18.360 a what a UFO was. B I was really intrigued about it, and 104 00:10:18.399 --> 00:10:22.639 I wanted, you know, to continue to study this, and so naturally 105 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:26.519 I started checking out books from the library things like that. I even wrote 106 00:10:26.519 --> 00:10:30.519 a report at one point for the I think I was in third grade at 107 00:10:30.519 --> 00:10:33.759 this point, but I wrote a report on this and my teacher gave me 108 00:10:33.799 --> 00:10:35.279 a b and said, you did a great job with the investigation. The 109 00:10:35.320 --> 00:10:41.240 problem is, this is a subject that science doesn't really accept as being part 110 00:10:41.279 --> 00:10:43.600 of our cumulative knowledge about the universe, and so you know, we're going 111 00:10:43.679 --> 00:10:46.320 to say you did a good job on the report, Micah, but we're 112 00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:50.120 taking off points for factual merit. And so at that point I kind of 113 00:10:50.120 --> 00:10:52.559 said, challenge accepted, and no kidding. If I have stayed with this 114 00:10:52.639 --> 00:10:56.600 subject ever since, and being somebody who studied it for a long time, 115 00:10:56.840 --> 00:11:01.080 often trying to look at it with a critical mind and not leading with presumptions 116 00:11:01.120 --> 00:11:05.080 about what these things are where they're from, it was a real eye opener, 117 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:07.320 I think for all of us back in twenty seventeen when we saw on 118 00:11:07.360 --> 00:11:11.320 the front page of the New York Times this article saying, guess what. 119 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:15.759 The US Department of Defense has maintained an interest in this, despite what their 120 00:11:15.759 --> 00:11:20.440 official statement on that on their website had been for years, and indeed they 121 00:11:20.440 --> 00:11:24.279 were continuing to evaluate these phenomena. And that remains true today with the recent 122 00:11:24.399 --> 00:11:28.159 establishment of the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office. So again there's a lot happening 123 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:31.759 in this field, and for someone who has studied this my entire life trying 124 00:11:31.759 --> 00:11:35.240 to understand the nuances of it in all aspects of what it could mean, 125 00:11:35.799 --> 00:11:39.919 it's a really exciting time to be involved in this area. Yeah, would 126 00:11:39.960 --> 00:11:46.159 you say that the DoD, Department of Defense, and perhaps NASA, which 127 00:11:46.279 --> 00:11:52.360 I believe has been weaponized and is also working with the DoD, has greater 128 00:11:52.519 --> 00:11:58.720 knowledge than what they're leading on to. I certainly think that the DoD does 129 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:05.960 well. You know, NASA was tasked recently with this this UAP study. 130 00:12:05.000 --> 00:12:09.120 There was a UAP study group, and I think that they, you know, 131 00:12:09.159 --> 00:12:11.399 with taxpayer money, did very little more after several months, in about 132 00:12:11.399 --> 00:12:16.519 one hundred thousand dollars, they did very little more than just make some recommendations 133 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:18.360 about well, going forward, here are some things we could do to improve 134 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:24.840 UAP research. And NASA also officially designated a director of UAP Research within that 135 00:12:24.919 --> 00:12:28.600 agency. They for years, of course, have said that they don't have 136 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:31.799 any additional information, but that they have resources that might be useful if the 137 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:35.080 DoD is trying to track these things. The DoD, on the other hand, 138 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:39.120 and again there are some who maintain NASA does indeed no more. But 139 00:12:39.159 --> 00:12:43.600 I think that it's pretty evident that the intelligence community certainly knows more than what 140 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:48.120 the public is being told. There are certain things that are being studied right 141 00:12:48.200 --> 00:12:52.480 now by the DoD's arrow, as it's called, All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, 142 00:12:52.960 --> 00:12:58.240 that probably are very good indicators that there are genuine unknowns and that this 143 00:12:58.279 --> 00:13:01.399 has really been what everybody is suspected for a long time. Unfortunately, they 144 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:05.080 tend to emphasize the things that they deem to be knowns. You know, 145 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:09.399 they put out a new report, and in every instance the reports that they 146 00:13:09.399 --> 00:13:13.480 publish involve the things that they think that they can pretty well explain what they 147 00:13:13.879 --> 00:13:16.960 I think in journalism we would call this burying the lead. But I think 148 00:13:16.960 --> 00:13:20.679 what they like to state less obviously, is that at least two to five 149 00:13:20.720 --> 00:13:24.919 percent of the objects that they've been studying and collecting information about, they have 150 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:28.120 no idea what these things are. And so in addition to that being a 151 00:13:28.200 --> 00:13:31.919 national security concern, but a lot of long time researchers have said, well 152 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:35.519 or not if some of these things might have off planet origins, if these 153 00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:39.600 things could be extraterrestrial craft, I mean, how's the DoD going to handle 154 00:13:39.639 --> 00:13:41.080 that? And if they make that determination, are they going to come forward 155 00:13:41.120 --> 00:13:43.919 and tell the public, Hey, guys, we found something in our sky, 156 00:13:43.960 --> 00:13:46.200 and you know, we got to tell you. We think that the 157 00:13:46.240 --> 00:13:50.000 evidence points to these things being extraterrestrial. Can we really expect that they'll tell 158 00:13:50.080 --> 00:13:56.639 us that. I'm not so sure. You're familiar with the Brookings document where 159 00:13:56.840 --> 00:14:01.159 the military back in the nineteen sixties, I don't even would think through the 160 00:14:01.559 --> 00:14:07.000 CIA was around that it had just been launched. But they did this evaluation 161 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:11.639 of the United States citizens and they came to the conclusion that we just can't 162 00:14:11.639 --> 00:14:15.360 handle it, that we would kill ourselves, and so forth and so on. 163 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:20.879 And it feels to me that there's still adherent they're still holding on to 164 00:14:20.039 --> 00:14:26.639 that problem given all the social media and the openness that our society is. 165 00:14:28.639 --> 00:14:31.919 What is It's a disconnect to me? Does it? Don't you feel like 166 00:14:31.960 --> 00:14:35.799 it's a disconnect? Certainly? Do you know? The Brookings Institute report that 167 00:14:35.799 --> 00:14:43.159 you're referring to again basically concluded that without specific reference necessarily to a UFO revelation, 168 00:14:43.279 --> 00:14:46.399 they said, if it were learned by the American public or really the 169 00:14:46.519 --> 00:14:50.720 entire world, that extraterrestrials existed and that they were coming to planet Earth, 170 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:56.559 that essentially there'd be societal collapse. You know, the major religions would all 171 00:14:56.600 --> 00:15:01.240 go to the wayside. It would be quite a system up set and or 172 00:15:01.360 --> 00:15:05.080 reset for team civilization. And I do think that many people still hold that 173 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:07.919 view. I'll tell you an interesting story one of the most recent times. 174 00:15:07.960 --> 00:15:11.360 I was visiting the West coast, out in your neck of the woods there, 175 00:15:11.360 --> 00:15:16.120 Cliff. I'd been at a wedding and two of the guests and attendants 176 00:15:16.120 --> 00:15:20.320 happened to be FBI agents. And so the couple who was getting married good 177 00:15:20.320 --> 00:15:22.519 friends of mine. They knew Mike is going to want to talk to these 178 00:15:22.559 --> 00:15:26.039 FBI agents. And dinner they seat me at the table with them, and 179 00:15:26.080 --> 00:15:30.679 they were lovely, by the way, and so naturally the conversation veered off 180 00:15:30.679 --> 00:15:33.720 in the direction of UFOs and I asked these FBI agents, I said, 181 00:15:33.720 --> 00:15:39.039 you know, what's your take on all this? And you know, specifically, 182 00:15:39.039 --> 00:15:43.159 how would the bureau respond to this information? In other words, if 183 00:15:43.200 --> 00:15:48.720 you had access to information that unequivocally showed that there were extraterrestrial craft operating in 184 00:15:48.759 --> 00:15:52.120 our atmosphere, how would the FBI respond to that? Would you tell the 185 00:15:52.159 --> 00:15:56.480 public about that? And I mean there was no hesitation, Cliff. They 186 00:15:56.480 --> 00:15:58.960 said absolutely not. They said, our job, You've got to keep in 187 00:15:58.960 --> 00:16:00.879 mind, is to know, first of all, protect the little guy. 188 00:16:02.399 --> 00:16:04.279 Right, we're tracking down people who are trying to scam people out of money 189 00:16:04.279 --> 00:16:08.360 and doing things like this, but we're also trying to preserve the American way 190 00:16:08.360 --> 00:16:12.399 of life. And if ever we were aware of information that might cause severe 191 00:16:12.759 --> 00:16:18.799 concerns, distress, breakdowns of societal institutions, no, we would not explain 192 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:22.399 to the public what that was. We would attempt to try and cover that 193 00:16:22.559 --> 00:16:25.279 up. So now that was just the opinion of those two agents, But 194 00:16:25.320 --> 00:16:27.200 I mean, it seemed to be very much in line with those past studies 195 00:16:27.240 --> 00:16:30.879 and some current views that you know, maybe people can't handle the truth. 196 00:16:30.919 --> 00:16:34.240 And you know, I keep hearing that there are officials right now who keep 197 00:16:34.279 --> 00:16:40.399 saying that maybe the public, you know, shouldn't know exactly what's going on 198 00:16:40.519 --> 00:16:44.360 here. Tim Burchett, who's a representative in Tennessee, and he's a member 199 00:16:44.399 --> 00:16:48.440 of the fairly loosely knit group of people congressmen and women that call them sort 200 00:16:48.440 --> 00:16:52.399 of the UAP Caucus. Burchette said that he had actually been approached by somebody 201 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:55.480 up there on Capitol Hill who said, you know, Tim, really the 202 00:16:55.480 --> 00:16:57.480 truth is the American people they shouldn't know about this, because if they did, 203 00:16:57.519 --> 00:17:00.000 I don't think they'd be able to handle it. People would be losing 204 00:17:00.039 --> 00:17:03.680 their minds if they really knew what was going on. I think I'm more 205 00:17:03.759 --> 00:17:07.200 like the character played by Tom Cruise in the film A Few Good Men. 206 00:17:07.240 --> 00:17:11.519 I think we can handle the truth. But again, you know, a 207 00:17:11.519 --> 00:17:18.480 lot of people seem to think maybe we don't. UAP Caucus in Congress. 208 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:25.000 I haven't heard of them. Were they the ones that formed the committee that 209 00:17:25.599 --> 00:17:32.680 interviewed those ex intelligent Was it David Grusher or Grush? Were they part of 210 00:17:32.680 --> 00:17:37.359 that team? Yes, So a bit of background on this. Of course, 211 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:41.079 since twenty seventeen, there's been the revelation that the DD has been involved 212 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:44.799 in investigations into all of this. In twenty twenty, we had the establishment, 213 00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:48.200 under the cognizance of the Department of the Navy, the UAP Task Force, 214 00:17:48.759 --> 00:17:52.039 and that only operated for a while, but it produced a significant report 215 00:17:52.079 --> 00:17:55.000 that was released by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence that said, 216 00:17:55.039 --> 00:18:00.240 yes, there are unknowns that seem to display some pretty extraordinary capabilities. Then 217 00:18:00.279 --> 00:18:03.359 at the direction of Congress, because there was actually a bill that was included 218 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:07.359 in the National Defense Authorization Act that was passed, I believe in twenty twenty 219 00:18:07.359 --> 00:18:12.119 two. Actually, there have been legislation in several subsequent NDAAs that had been 220 00:18:12.119 --> 00:18:18.119 passed over the last few years, but the bill in question is what directed 221 00:18:18.759 --> 00:18:22.799 the establishment of the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office. Now, last June, 222 00:18:23.240 --> 00:18:27.079 there was an article that was published by my team's publication, The Debrief dot 223 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:30.799 or Guy. I'm a co founder and creator of the Debrief, and two 224 00:18:30.839 --> 00:18:34.440 authors who had previously written they were actually contributors to the New York Times piece 225 00:18:34.440 --> 00:18:38.720 in twenty seventeen, Leslie Kane and Ralph Blumenthal. They authored this piece that 226 00:18:38.759 --> 00:18:44.079 we published, and that was the piece that brought to public attention for the 227 00:18:44.079 --> 00:18:48.599 first time the claims of David Grush. Why we thought that was significant was 228 00:18:48.640 --> 00:18:53.359 because, in addition to of course the extraordinary nature of the claims he was 229 00:18:53.400 --> 00:18:56.519 making, he was saying that there were craft of non human origin that the 230 00:18:56.640 --> 00:19:03.319 DoD had in its possession. There had been a Intelligence Community Inspector General complaint 231 00:19:03.640 --> 00:19:07.279 and this is absolutely fact. It was officially filed. And when this came 232 00:19:07.319 --> 00:19:10.359 to the attention of members of Congress, indeed they called for hearings. And 233 00:19:10.400 --> 00:19:14.400 so yes, the UAP caucus that you were asking about, they rather quickly 234 00:19:14.440 --> 00:19:18.880 assembled a congressional hearing in which mister Grush and then also two former Navy pilots, 235 00:19:19.240 --> 00:19:23.680 Dave Fraver and Ryan Graves. They all gave testimony under oath, stating 236 00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:27.400 not only that they had had these past experiences, as you know members of 237 00:19:27.519 --> 00:19:32.359 military, but also that the intelligence official present, mister Grush, had said, 238 00:19:32.400 --> 00:19:36.880 Yeah, I provided hundreds of pages of classified information to the intelligence community 239 00:19:36.920 --> 00:19:40.920 spector General that seems to support the idea that there is some kind of a 240 00:19:40.960 --> 00:19:45.400 program and that the US has been collecting these craft. Yeah, and it 241 00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:52.720 was pretty groundbreaking what Grish had to say, simply because he's in the intelligence 242 00:19:52.799 --> 00:19:57.400 community. But I didn't feel that there was anything that came out of that. 243 00:19:57.599 --> 00:20:03.799 I mean, Congress moves very slowly, and it wasn't I wasn't feeling 244 00:20:03.920 --> 00:20:07.160 like, you know, what's the follow up. I didn't hear any of 245 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:11.920 the congressmen and women say, Okay, we're gonna take this and we're going 246 00:20:11.960 --> 00:20:18.839 to create another committee. We're gonna determine who these dark programs are, who's 247 00:20:18.880 --> 00:20:22.279 behind them? What do you have to say? What's your feeling on any 248 00:20:22.279 --> 00:20:27.119 follow up to that interview with Groose? So you're asking a really good question, 249 00:20:27.319 --> 00:20:34.200 Cliff, because the problem is the official office tasked with investigating UAP was 250 00:20:34.240 --> 00:20:41.400 also tasked with conducting a historical review, and so exactly what you're asking is 251 00:20:41.400 --> 00:20:45.920 what many people have been saying recently. It would really appropriately require a congressional 252 00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:51.319 investigation to probably get to the bottom of what's going on. That has not 253 00:20:51.480 --> 00:20:55.599 happened yet. What ended up happening was a subordinate office, the ARROW that 254 00:20:55.599 --> 00:21:00.359 I've talked about, the altomin and Homaly Resolution Office, which has supposedly access 255 00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:04.119 to all information on UAP. Again, UAP is just the new term for 256 00:21:04.240 --> 00:21:10.160 UFOs that means unidentified anomalist phenomena. But when I say UAP or UFO were 257 00:21:10.240 --> 00:21:12.279 essentially talking about the same thing, and that's what the ded's been investigating. 258 00:21:15.039 --> 00:21:19.000 When AERO was launched, they were tasked with conducting a historical review going all 259 00:21:19.039 --> 00:21:25.039 the way back to nineteen forty five to try and determine if there was evidence 260 00:21:25.079 --> 00:21:30.079 of a program like what David Grush has discussed. And the problem with their 261 00:21:30.160 --> 00:21:32.839 report which just came out the first volume. At least there is going to 262 00:21:32.839 --> 00:21:37.240 be a second volume issued probably later this year, if not early next year. 263 00:21:37.279 --> 00:21:40.359 But the first volume was rife with errors. I mean, just to 264 00:21:40.359 --> 00:21:41.720 give you a few examples of some of the problems that we were seeing in 265 00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:48.000 this report. The first mainstream significant UFO siding by Pilot Kenneth Arnold back in 266 00:21:48.079 --> 00:21:52.319 nineteen forty seven. The date that they given the report, they're off by 267 00:21:52.359 --> 00:21:56.200 a day. They misstate the name of a program that was carried out by 268 00:21:56.240 --> 00:22:00.799 the Betel Memorial Institute to investigate the US Air Forces Project Blue Book cases that 269 00:22:00.799 --> 00:22:03.920 were collected early on at the name of that program wrong. They got the 270 00:22:03.960 --> 00:22:07.400 name of one of the former directors of Project blue Book wrong. And there 271 00:22:07.400 --> 00:22:11.240 were myriad other issues in the report too. In fact, a former defense 272 00:22:11.319 --> 00:22:15.079 official, Christopher Mellen, authored a very lengthy article kind of going down very 273 00:22:15.160 --> 00:22:19.359 granular analysis that he did of all the problems in this report, and he 274 00:22:19.400 --> 00:22:22.960 published that over at the debrief Our website. And so a lot of people 275 00:22:23.000 --> 00:22:26.599 have taken issue with this investigation, and they have further said, look, 276 00:22:26.599 --> 00:22:30.279 if Aero, I mean, did such a lackluster job on this historical report, 277 00:22:30.640 --> 00:22:33.720 I mean, how much faith can we really have in their broader investigations. 278 00:22:33.759 --> 00:22:38.200 So again to your point, many are saying, now appropriately Congress should 279 00:22:38.200 --> 00:22:42.559 investigate this. They shouldn't leave this to an office that has already demonstrated that 280 00:22:42.559 --> 00:22:47.960 they aren't doing the best job that they possibly could investigating this, and thereby 281 00:22:48.039 --> 00:22:51.880 we can't really have a whole lot of faith in their ability to convey the 282 00:22:51.920 --> 00:22:55.440 meaningful information that the government may possess. I think it really will ultimately be 283 00:22:55.519 --> 00:23:03.559 up to Congress. I mean, were you happy on that congressional meeting with 284 00:23:03.680 --> 00:23:07.200 Grush? I mean, it was kind of an eye opener for many people. 285 00:23:08.119 --> 00:23:11.720 But being an ufologist being in this, I know that I thought it 286 00:23:11.759 --> 00:23:17.000 was a nice start, but as you said, it could be buried almost 287 00:23:17.039 --> 00:23:22.039 instantly. If not currently, you know, we'll never hear any follow up 288 00:23:22.039 --> 00:23:26.119 again. Yeah, I think that again, it was a good beginning point 289 00:23:26.240 --> 00:23:30.839 because what we had there were some very extraordinary assertions made by mister Grush, 290 00:23:30.920 --> 00:23:36.160 namely that indeed non human intelligences. He felt that there was good evidence that 291 00:23:36.200 --> 00:23:40.279 supported their existence and also an awareness by the God of their existence, and 292 00:23:40.319 --> 00:23:44.319 he said this under oath. And I think that there's been a lot of 293 00:23:44.359 --> 00:23:52.039 confusion because there was a recent series of email communications between AERO leadership and the 294 00:23:52.039 --> 00:23:56.200 whistleblower, mister Grush that were released through a Freedom of Information Act request that 295 00:23:56.359 --> 00:24:00.839 was, you know, the documents were sent to a On Greenwald of the 296 00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:03.480 Black Vault, who's kind of legendary in terms of his investigations into this. 297 00:24:03.519 --> 00:24:10.119 But these correspondences showed that Grush, after that congressional hearing, had been reached 298 00:24:10.119 --> 00:24:12.079 out to by AERO leadership numerous times and they tried to get him to come 299 00:24:12.119 --> 00:24:15.319 in and to do an interview and talk about what he found. Now, 300 00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:19.759 what he conveys in those emails, Cliff, is that he had serious concerns 301 00:24:19.759 --> 00:24:23.400 about whether ARO had the authorities that they needed to be able to receive this 302 00:24:23.480 --> 00:24:26.799 classified information. And although they've tried to make it look like, well, 303 00:24:26.839 --> 00:24:30.319 he wouldn't come talk to us, so in truth, it seems like he 304 00:24:30.319 --> 00:24:32.880 doesn't you know, probably know anything, and he doesn't want to convey this 305 00:24:32.960 --> 00:24:36.720 information. Quite the contrary what these emails show, and this is exactly what 306 00:24:36.759 --> 00:24:41.599 came out during those congressional hearings. To your question, Grush had said numerous 307 00:24:41.640 --> 00:24:44.279 times to members of Congress, Listen, I'll talk with you about this in 308 00:24:44.359 --> 00:24:48.559 a controlled in a you know, a skiff, right, a secure compartmented 309 00:24:48.799 --> 00:24:52.440 information facility. Right. He's saying, if we are in an appropriate environment, 310 00:24:52.519 --> 00:24:55.759 I can tell you certain things. I can't talk about that in a 311 00:24:55.799 --> 00:25:00.440 public hearing being telecast across the world. And furthermore, to the Arrow instigators 312 00:25:00.440 --> 00:25:02.359 who kept saying, come talk to us, Come tell us what you know, 313 00:25:02.400 --> 00:25:03.119 he said, look, I need to know if you guys have the 314 00:25:03.200 --> 00:25:08.079 authority who received this information. The official terminology for this would be what's called 315 00:25:08.119 --> 00:25:14.119 Title fifty. It would essentially enable ERO to be able to obtain information that 316 00:25:14.160 --> 00:25:18.519 would be you know, for instance, from IC Intelligence community officials and what 317 00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:22.839 have you. Now, AERO has repeatedly said that they have access to all 318 00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:26.240 the UAP information, so there shouldn't be a problem. But Gresh said, 319 00:25:26.240 --> 00:25:30.680 the problem is that there are other elements of this program that are not necessarily 320 00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:36.920 relative relative exclusivity exclusively to UAP, And you guys don't have the authority to 321 00:25:36.960 --> 00:25:38.920 be able to receive this classified information. I can't come talk to you. 322 00:25:40.200 --> 00:25:41.759 So he said, go to the Inspector General, see if they'll just give 323 00:25:41.799 --> 00:25:45.519 you a copy of my complaint. And they wouldn't, which seems to suggest, 324 00:25:45.519 --> 00:25:48.160 indeed, that there were things in that complaint that AERO did not have 325 00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:52.559 the authority to receive, and so to me again it comes back to the 326 00:25:52.640 --> 00:25:55.480 question of, well, we've got a good start with Congress, but they're 327 00:25:55.519 --> 00:25:56.440 going to have to follow up on this, and there's going to have to 328 00:25:56.480 --> 00:26:00.079 be some kind of a formal investigation if we ever really want to get the 329 00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:06.240 bottom of this. I would love a non military committee to be formed with 330 00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:12.839 perhaps scientists and anthropologists or other people who are studying different species. I think 331 00:26:12.839 --> 00:26:17.599 it would get more data. I think it would be a much better broader 332 00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:22.599 swipe at the whole phenomenon. What do you believe was the purpose of rebranding 333 00:26:22.759 --> 00:26:32.359 UFO to UAP And my thought initially was that they wanted to discover who the 334 00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:36.880 beans were that were operating these craft. Now I don't think it's that. 335 00:26:37.079 --> 00:26:42.400 I think it's more they're interested because there's a military view. They're more interested 336 00:26:42.440 --> 00:26:49.200 in the propulsion systems and the technology. But what's your take on the rebranding. 337 00:26:51.640 --> 00:26:55.359 I think you're you're actually pretty spot on there, because when we go 338 00:26:55.519 --> 00:27:00.240 back to around two thousand and eight to twenty ten or so, when the 339 00:27:00.240 --> 00:27:04.519 original iteration of this program, what you might call the revitalization of the government's 340 00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:11.079 interest in this was running That program was called the Advanced Aerospace Weapons Systems Application 341 00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:14.200 Program. It was run out of the Defense Intelligence Agency, which is a 342 00:27:14.319 --> 00:27:18.640 combat support agency of the DoD and the DIA essentially housed that program for two 343 00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:22.759 years. The people who were running that admittedly, and I've spoken to the 344 00:27:22.759 --> 00:27:27.920 deputy director of that program, Cullam kellerher PhD. He was previously associated with 345 00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:33.720 a civilian scientific organization called the National Institute for Discovery Science that was headed up 346 00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:37.440 by Robert Bigelow, the real estate mogul out there in Nevada. Bob Bigelow 347 00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:42.240 was friends with former Senator, the late Senator Harry Reid Right, and it 348 00:27:42.319 --> 00:27:47.039 was with Reed's help and two other members of the Senate that they were able 349 00:27:47.079 --> 00:27:52.599 to appropriate some congressional funding where were some taxpayer dollars that was put toward the 350 00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:55.640 funding of the ALLSET program. Now, those people who were running that, 351 00:27:55.680 --> 00:27:59.839 with their long history in this of involvement in this topic, like you said, 352 00:27:59.839 --> 00:28:02.680 they were certainly coming at this saying, Okay, we know that there 353 00:28:02.720 --> 00:28:06.839 are unknowns. We've studied these things for years. We don't dispute that. 354 00:28:06.920 --> 00:28:10.079 So what we're going to do is we're going to build a database Jacques Valet, 355 00:28:10.160 --> 00:28:12.480 in fact, who also lived right there in your general area on the 356 00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:17.240 West coast. Doctor Valet's probably been involved in this as long or longer than 357 00:28:17.240 --> 00:28:22.440 most. He was the one tasked with the creation of this database, which 358 00:28:22.480 --> 00:28:26.240 they called Capella. And so indeed, one of the criticisms from some of 359 00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:30.400 the current DoD officials involved in the current investigation is, well, these people 360 00:28:30.400 --> 00:28:34.720 are longtime UFO believers, and they did probably think these things were all from 361 00:28:34.759 --> 00:28:37.440 off planet, and so they were biased in how they were looking at this. 362 00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:41.839 But in truth, part of the whole focus of the OFFSET program had 363 00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:48.279 been really to evaluate evaluate what these technologies were, how they worked, you 364 00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:52.799 know, what kinds of technologies could potentially be derived from studying this, And 365 00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:56.160 that was the way that they justified this being a DIA program. They essentially 366 00:28:56.200 --> 00:28:59.960 said, the DOOD is going to want to be able to understand what these 367 00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:02.920 capabilities are so that we might be able to exploit this, and we may 368 00:29:02.920 --> 00:29:07.079 be able to prepare ourselves in the event that these things ever end up showing 369 00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:11.200 hostility or anything along those lines. So even early on they had had an 370 00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:14.279 interest in that component of it. But right now I would say that it's 371 00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:18.799 exclusively just okay, there are unknowns. We have no evidence of extraterrestrial technology. 372 00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:22.279 What we want to try and do is make sure that China or Russia 373 00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:26.079 hasn't got some advanced capability and they're using that to spy on us. But 374 00:29:26.119 --> 00:29:29.039 again, most who are looking at this saying, if there is anything that 375 00:29:29.160 --> 00:29:33.640 advanced that the DoD with all the sensor capabilities, all the intelligence capabilities, 376 00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:37.799 you know, all the advanced weapons systems, all the fighter aircraft, all 377 00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:42.039 the visualization capabilities in infrared, you know it enhanced electro optical visual systems, 378 00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:45.480 all this stuff that the military has. If anybody else in the world has 379 00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:48.599 something that exceeds that, we've got a real problem. But the likelihood of 380 00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:53.039 that is almost nil. So, I mean, the problem, Micah, 381 00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:59.599 with this whole mindset is that it's all like that we had to be first 382 00:29:59.720 --> 00:30:02.200 in a alert. We don't want them to shoot at us. It's like 383 00:30:02.519 --> 00:30:07.279 that the presumption is that they're going to hurt us in some manner. So 384 00:30:07.319 --> 00:30:08.880 we got to defend ourselves. We got to get weaponry up, we got 385 00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:12.759 to take those down ships, and we got to create a weapon system that 386 00:30:12.839 --> 00:30:15.720 will you know, blow them out. Of the sky. It's like shoot 387 00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:21.039 first and ask questions later. It's like, that's an ass backwards philosophy, 388 00:30:21.079 --> 00:30:23.240 don't you they I agree, Yeah, absolutely. I mean, first of 389 00:30:23.240 --> 00:30:26.640 all, let me just say that as a person who has studied the major 390 00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:30.240 literature related to this subject, both from official channels and also from civilian researchers 391 00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:34.680 who have you know, chronicled this over the years, there's very little evidence 392 00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:38.680 that there is a direct threat being posed by the so called UAP. Thank 393 00:30:38.720 --> 00:30:44.440 you, thank you for that. Yeah, the question had been the question 394 00:30:44.599 --> 00:30:47.519 you had asked earlier, was you know, why rebranded, why give it 395 00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:52.119 a new name. It is true that the DoD is looking at all potentials. 396 00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:53.759 I mean, there are some unknowns. There are some things they think 397 00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:59.079 that may point to, you know, foreign intelligence collection efforts. There may 398 00:30:59.079 --> 00:31:03.920 be some natural FINNA and so UAP or what it initially was was unidentified aerial 399 00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:07.039 phenomena but now unidentified anomalist phenomena. It was meant to be kind of a 400 00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:11.440 larger umbrella or blanket term to encapsulate all these potentials. But again, the 401 00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:15.799 ones I think that interest us are the so called UFOs, the genuine unknowns. 402 00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:18.359 And again back to my earlier point. You look at the broad data 403 00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:22.759 that's been collected about this, and sure there are some injury cases. There 404 00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:26.720 are some incidents where people, for instance, have been in close proximity to 405 00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:30.319 an exotic vehicle and they may have suffered the after effects of what could be 406 00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:34.559 exposure to nonionizing radiation. Yeah, things like that, but those are usual 407 00:31:34.839 --> 00:31:41.319 we call indirect incidents. In other words, this was an indirect means by 408 00:31:41.319 --> 00:31:45.640 which these people were injured. It wasn't like a laser beam that shot out 409 00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:48.559 and injured somebody as if by intent. Now it's not to say it's never 410 00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:53.079 happened. There are some rare cases in the literature there are suggestive of intent, 411 00:31:53.240 --> 00:31:56.759 But again I would say that the majority of it suggests that this is 412 00:31:56.839 --> 00:32:00.680 probably a phenomena that is operating for some reason. We don't understand its intentions 413 00:32:00.759 --> 00:32:05.799 or reasoning, but it is attempting to do so without having to interact with 414 00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:07.400 us as much as possible. They try to kind of keep us at arms 415 00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:14.079 distance if anything. Yeah, you know, to that point, everybody in 416 00:32:14.119 --> 00:32:19.960 the industry or who's interested in UFO knows about Bob Bazar, the physicist who 417 00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:25.920 makes this amazing claim of this location in Nevada called Area fifty one, and 418 00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:34.279 apparently we have five or six different downcraft that we're revers trying to reverse engineer. 419 00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:37.839 And he talks about trying to reverse what he thinks is some kind of 420 00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:43.160 a power system and that he got out of there before the thing blew up 421 00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:47.559 and killed a bunch of people. But it makes me suspicious if the military 422 00:32:47.599 --> 00:32:54.000 has gone far enough and has actually created reverse engineered craft based on this advanced 423 00:32:54.000 --> 00:33:01.880 technology. Are we confusing these craft aft with the UAPs that are in the 424 00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:06.599 air right now? Also a good question. And you know, there were 425 00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:09.440 some other whistleblowers other than Grush that came out last summer. In fact, 426 00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:15.160 the same week that mister Grush first came to public knowledge, we dropped the 427 00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:17.119 article on Monday, I believe June the fifth, there at the debrief dot 428 00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:20.799 Org. And then just a few days later there was a lengthy interview that 429 00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:25.200 journalist Ross Cooltark conducted with him on News Nation. But in the days in 430 00:33:25.240 --> 00:33:30.319 between those two appearances by mister Grush, we also had an event in Washington 431 00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:35.240 where three other whistleblowers came forward and they also shared their own perspectives on government 432 00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:37.440 involvement, and one of those individuals I believe his name is Michael Herrera. 433 00:33:38.079 --> 00:33:43.279 He tells a very interesting and I would say a rather concerning story. He 434 00:33:43.359 --> 00:33:45.680 was I believe in Sumatra back in the early two thousands. This was part 435 00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:52.599 of a military relief effort following the tsunami that it struck that region around that 436 00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:54.720 time. And as he tells the story, he and his company come up 437 00:33:54.759 --> 00:33:59.119 over hill and they see essentially what was like a kind of a large pyramidal 438 00:33:59.240 --> 00:34:01.680 or maybe what we would kind of like into a saucer shaped craft, and 439 00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:05.920 it's hovering over the ground. And he looks at this thing and they're going, 440 00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:07.480 wow, you know, what is that? And so he has a 441 00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:10.400 camera and he pulls it out and starts filming it. And then he says 442 00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:15.760 that all of a sudden, out of the surrounding brush black ops guys, 443 00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:19.599 you know, guys in black military fatigues. They are unequivocally American. They 444 00:34:19.639 --> 00:34:23.119 have American accents, but they are arms to the teeth. They basically pulled 445 00:34:23.159 --> 00:34:28.719 them at gunpoint and they take their weapons, they scan their identification. He 446 00:34:28.760 --> 00:34:30.280 says that they're kind of rough talking him and his company and everything, and 447 00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:35.880 Eventually they go from thinking that they're probably you know, their days are numbered 448 00:34:35.880 --> 00:34:38.519 and that they may be in serious danger to being released walk to the top 449 00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:42.039 of the hill and to turn around, leave and don't come back. And 450 00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:45.719 so he and his company are released. A few days later, his camera 451 00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:50.400 is confiscated and he comes forward to tell this story because he said, these 452 00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:53.559 guys were loading you know, they had like pallettes and things and some military 453 00:34:53.599 --> 00:34:58.440 vehicles, and they were loading something onto this craft, this highly anomalous craft 454 00:34:58.440 --> 00:35:00.679 that he said as it left, it lifted off and then just kind of 455 00:35:00.679 --> 00:35:04.360 hovered and PAM just takes off in a blink. And so he says, 456 00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:08.760 it seems pretty clear that some of this technology is ours. And interestingly, 457 00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:14.199 in the aero historical report that I mentioned earlier, Cliff, they absolutely say, 458 00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:19.559 you know, one individual claims that he saw Black ops personnel loading something 459 00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:22.880 into a UAP. So, I mean, Herrera's case is clearly listed in 460 00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:28.079 Arrow's appendix, and they obviously had interviewed him and spoken to him, and 461 00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:30.480 he was you know, deemed I guess, a credible witness and certainly a 462 00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:35.480 former military official whose credentials can be verified. So if his story is indeed 463 00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:38.440 true and accurate as he has told this. Now in many instances, it 464 00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:43.079 seems pretty clear that some of this technology does belong to us. Now the 465 00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:45.159 question is did we just cook that up out of no where and we just 466 00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:50.480 created this stuff? Or is this the result of as Bob Lazar and some 467 00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:52.880 others have claimed. And again this doesn't necessarily verify what Bob Lazar says. 468 00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:55.880 I know his claims are still kind of controversial, but what he had been 469 00:35:55.920 --> 00:36:00.400 saying for years is, you know, we have been reverse engineering things there 470 00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:04.119 and ask for this facility on the Area fifty one property, and he believes 471 00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:08.159 that some of our technologies have been derived from the so called NHI or anomaloust 472 00:36:08.199 --> 00:36:16.480 aerial vehicles. We've got to get a short commercial break to allow our sponsors 473 00:36:16.519 --> 00:36:22.639 to identify themselves, and we will return shortly with my guest today, Micah 474 00:36:22.960 --> 00:37:06.519 Hanks, coming to us from North Carolina. We'll be right back. My 475 00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:10.880 guest today is Micah Hanks. He is a research investigator and author who has 476 00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:17.639 a good focus on what is happening in the UFO alien genre that is really 477 00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:22.159 a great curiosity to many of us. We're getting a sense of just what's 478 00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:32.280 going on in the world of unusual anomalists aerial phenomenon. Talk a little bit 479 00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:37.599 about your knowledge of Phil Corso because his book The Day After Roswell is a 480 00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:46.599 classic, and he basically says that most of our innovations come from down UFOs 481 00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:52.840 and are reverse engineering of that technology. A lot of people thought that Corso 482 00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:58.280 was a kook, but if you look at his credentials, he was fairly 483 00:37:58.360 --> 00:38:04.599 up there as an intelligence officer and had access to possible downcraft. What do 484 00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:07.559 you feel about that? You can't call him a koop, that's for sure. 485 00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:13.800 I mean, his background is absolutely well known and certainly verified. I 486 00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:16.400 mean, Philip Corso is an individual who certainly served. The story he tells 487 00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:20.280 in the book that came out, you know, co authored with William Burns, 488 00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:23.840 The Day After Roswell essentially says that while he was working with the Foreign 489 00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:29.920 Technology Division Right Patterson Air Force BACE that has a new name at this point, 490 00:38:29.960 --> 00:38:32.840 but at that time, essentially they would have collected and analyzed and potentially 491 00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:39.360 reverse engineered any kind of foreign technologies that were acquired. This mostly presumably having 492 00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:44.559 relationship to the Soviet Union or other nations who are operating you know, aerospace 493 00:38:44.599 --> 00:38:49.119 capabilities and things. But what Corso claimed was that he was brought some of 494 00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:53.119 these technologies that he said came directly from the Roswell crash of nineteen forty seven. 495 00:38:54.039 --> 00:38:58.719 Some of the examples of the technology that he described had been what we 496 00:38:58.719 --> 00:39:01.639 would like him being fiber opts today, fiber optics, yes, yeah. 497 00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:06.519 Kevlar was another one. He said that there was sort of like a like 498 00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:09.480 a headband or something along those lines that they also had. There was a 499 00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:14.760 little device that he said, we would liken it to like a laser pointer, 500 00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:15.960 and he said that for a long time they tried to figure out how 501 00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:19.800 it worked, and then they realized that this was a laser cutting device. 502 00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:23.079 So he he says again again according to his claims, which have remained very 503 00:39:23.079 --> 00:39:28.679 controversial, but he never ever before his death, and again he died shortly 504 00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:31.519 after the publications, which is also kind of part of what makes this so 505 00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:36.440 enigmatic. But he never stepped back from his claims. He maintained that he 506 00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:39.760 had had access to these technologies and that the idea had been that they were 507 00:39:39.800 --> 00:39:45.679 going to be quietly seeded into US industry so that there could be technological developments 508 00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:49.760 that the United States could make as opposed to our enemies, and this was 509 00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:52.039 a way to be able to get the information out and ensure that there would 510 00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:59.039 be public benefit from the you know, any technologies derived from the NHI technology. 511 00:39:59.079 --> 00:40:01.199 Now, there are a lot of different interpretations of what was going on. 512 00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:06.960 There was mister Corso completely delusional. Now, look, Bliff, I've 513 00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:10.280 sat and I've watched interview after interview with him, And there was also a 514 00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:15.440 lesser known document that he wrote which was not co authored with someone else, 515 00:40:15.039 --> 00:40:19.840 and it's available in its entirety online where he kind of further expounds on what 516 00:40:19.880 --> 00:40:22.960 he thinks the real overarching truth of all this stuff is and what the government's 517 00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:28.440 relationship to it is. My take on Corso is it's one of two things. 518 00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:31.400 Either he's completely telling the truth or there is a possibility, and this 519 00:40:31.440 --> 00:40:35.320 is one that we have to consider. There is a possibility that this was 520 00:40:35.360 --> 00:40:39.800 a very elaborate form of disinformation, because there is precedent for US government officials 521 00:40:39.800 --> 00:40:45.239 who have come forward presenting false information so as to steer a certain kind of 522 00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:46.239 a narrative. Now I don't claim to know which it is. I'm just 523 00:40:46.239 --> 00:40:50.079 saying that those are the two. Well, I'm gonna ask Himikah, right 524 00:40:50.119 --> 00:40:52.119 now, what do you feel? I mean? Because if you went one 525 00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:57.519 step further than a lot of us. I saw one or two video interviews 526 00:40:57.519 --> 00:41:02.559 of Courso, but they were more vague, and you're suggesting there were maybe 527 00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:07.639 some more that had greater detail. Yeah, there are a lot of interviews 528 00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:12.679 that he gave. One, for instance, very interesting where he spoke with 529 00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:16.079 Bud Hopkins the la I love Bud. I know Bud. Yeah, his 530 00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:22.280 past of course, but famous book he wrote, Intruders. Yeah, Bud 531 00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:25.000 had sat there in kind of grilled course. So there was another interview that 532 00:41:25.039 --> 00:41:29.639 I believe was made available online. You can find it on archive dot org, 533 00:41:29.800 --> 00:41:34.480 made available by doctor Stephen Greer of the Disclosure Project. As far as 534 00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:37.320 what I feel, this is a tricky one for me because I think I 535 00:41:37.400 --> 00:41:43.760 went into it really feeling like, in likelihood, Corso was telling a story 536 00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:46.920 that seemed extraordinary, but it was so detailed that there had to be some 537 00:41:47.079 --> 00:41:52.199 element of truth to it. But there are some interesting conjectures that have been 538 00:41:52.280 --> 00:41:54.239 raised. For instance, a colleague of mine, Nick Redfern, wrote a 539 00:41:54.320 --> 00:41:59.280 very controversial book a number of years ago called Body Snatchers. In the desert, 540 00:41:59.320 --> 00:42:02.159 and he offers an alternative hypothesis for what may have happened at Roswell. 541 00:42:02.719 --> 00:42:07.800 In that book, he points out some very interesting connections between Philip Corso and 542 00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:13.159 other government officials that again, according to Nick, he would tell you it's 543 00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:16.679 probable that Corso was involved in some kind of a disinformation effort. Now, 544 00:42:16.840 --> 00:42:22.320 the broader takeaway from me from all that though, would be this, it 545 00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:24.320 becomes very difficult for us to know at times what is true and what is 546 00:42:24.360 --> 00:42:28.639 not because the government has not been true and forthcoming. We wouldn't even have 547 00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:31.159 a debate or have to have one about Courso or anybody else if there hadn't 548 00:42:31.159 --> 00:42:36.000 been instances with the government has lied to us about these things where for instance, 549 00:42:36.280 --> 00:42:39.239 Air Force Office of Special Investigation agents have leaked bad documents, they have 550 00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:45.360 misinformed people, they've made bogus promises and then reneged on those later, and 551 00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:49.320 they've really made it difficult for UFO researchers to trust their government. So again, 552 00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:52.639 the bottom line and the real broad question for me is how do we 553 00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:54.960 know what we can actually take seriously? How do we know who we can 554 00:42:55.000 --> 00:43:00.000 trust when the government has lied to us time and time again. Yeah, 555 00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:04.719 and of course, of course Will being ex military, it's kind of in 556 00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:09.679 his DNA a little bit, so it's kind of sad. One of the 557 00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:21.000 fascinating aspects of bazaars, so called visual inspection of various down craft that were 558 00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:24.639 in area fifty one hangars, is one specific craft that he and this is 559 00:43:24.840 --> 00:43:30.039 very interesting. I want to hear your take on it. He said that 560 00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:36.800 one of the crafts had been excavated from a very old site and he used, 561 00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:40.440 I believe he used, tens of thousands of years old, was the 562 00:43:40.599 --> 00:43:49.599 guests, because of the surrounding area that was in the age of the rocks, 563 00:43:49.639 --> 00:43:52.599 and maybe there's some artifacts and things like that. It really shows us, 564 00:43:52.599 --> 00:44:02.000 if this is true, that we've been inspected or visited for thousands of 565 00:44:02.079 --> 00:44:07.199 years. And God, I'd love to see that craft because to make that 566 00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:13.800 assumption, obviously he was told this that it was an ancient craft, but 567 00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:16.880 to get a sense of what it looked like would just be I don't blow 568 00:44:17.239 --> 00:44:22.760 the doors off of everything. What do you think about that? I mean, 569 00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:27.880 listen, there's a very good possibility that if indeed some of the UFOs 570 00:44:28.360 --> 00:44:32.760 are indeed off world technology. I mean, the implication would be if they 571 00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:37.360 are so advanced that they would have to have been around for far longer than 572 00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:39.280 we are, and that they are far ahead of us in every way. 573 00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:43.800 And if that's the case, they probably have been around longer than we have 574 00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:46.519 been. And if that's the case, we could infer that perhaps Earth has 575 00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:52.960 had a much longer relationship with these phenomena, and that past observations by people 576 00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:55.559 of you know, luminous phenomenon, especially in the in the period before our 577 00:44:55.599 --> 00:44:59.960 own space program, and when we start putting objects into space that you know, 578 00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:06.119 again, even today some people may unknowingly misinterpret as being UFOs satellites, 579 00:45:06.159 --> 00:45:07.760 you know, things like that. Back before we had put those things in 580 00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:13.400 space, people were still describing very unusual events in our skies. And these 581 00:45:13.400 --> 00:45:16.360 things have been again documented in the historical records. So there are some researchers 582 00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:22.039 who have looked back in time again the aforementioned Jacques Valet, his colleague, 583 00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:25.360 Chris Albeck, many others. Martin Show, I've done a little of this 584 00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:30.440 myself. But even the late NASA historian, oh gosh, what was his 585 00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:37.719 name, He authored a really interesting paper on UFOs in antiquity. But there 586 00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:43.480 are a lot of researchers who have conducted investigations into whether we can harvest information 587 00:45:43.519 --> 00:45:47.199 about UFO sidings going much further back now. My take on it would be, 588 00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:52.239 again, if these phenomena are something that are off planet, they are 589 00:45:52.239 --> 00:45:57.000 not from here. It's certainly possible that they've been around longer, and therefore 590 00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:01.000 mister Lazar's claims of very interesting. I mean a lot of people have dismissed 591 00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:07.039 them out of hand entirely. I don't. I have questions, but again, 592 00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:09.480 one thing we also have to recognize is I've probably gone back and listened 593 00:46:09.519 --> 00:46:15.039 to almost every interview that he has given since he initially came forward to investigative 594 00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:21.960 reporter George Knapp there at Klas and Las Vegas, and the remarkable consistency of 595 00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:24.199 the way he tells his story. Some would say that there are some minor 596 00:46:24.320 --> 00:46:28.599 deviations and things I think that would be expected with time, but for the 597 00:46:28.599 --> 00:46:31.960 most part, the core story really remains very consistent. And so if he's 598 00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:36.639 a liar, he's a good on you. But that story he tells about 599 00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:39.400 this archaeological excavation, yeah, that's definitely interesting, and again I think that 600 00:46:39.440 --> 00:46:44.559 would be consistent with the view that these technologies that they've been around for a 601 00:46:44.559 --> 00:46:46.719 long time in are foreign advance of us. That these things have probably been 602 00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:50.519 here on Earth for various reasons for a long time, and people have certainly 603 00:46:50.559 --> 00:46:53.920 been seeing them. Yeah, I think the biggest problem, and it's really 604 00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:59.519 a challenge, is that we can only speculate. There's so very little data. 605 00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:06.920 Lazaar is a rare case, but we know now that he's been hiding, 606 00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:13.360 he's been traumatized, and you know, he's probably had stunted emotional growth 607 00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:16.079 because he's looking over his shoulder all the time, you know, not knowing 608 00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:20.079 what's going to come to him next. Hey, I want to move on 609 00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:28.440 with a podcast you did called Project Moondust, the Secret Retrieval Program. This 610 00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:30.679 is fascinating. I didn't get a chance to hear the whole podcast, but 611 00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:35.679 talk a little bit about that. That's fascinating. Well, certainly, I 612 00:47:35.719 --> 00:47:40.039 mean back in the Cold War, the US Air Force certainly did have the 613 00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:45.480 capability of being able to acquire anything that may have fallen from space, you 614 00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:51.760 know, anything that lands in US airspace. And actually, and to an 615 00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:54.239 extent, they were able to obtain things that had fallen from space in other 616 00:47:54.280 --> 00:48:00.320 countries too. We have begun to hear about a couple of different programs getting 617 00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:02.880 back in the early days of the Freedom of Information Act, and that would 618 00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:07.280 have been back in the nineteen seventies researchers like Barry Greenwood and others who had 619 00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:12.239 been involved with a really neat organization back then called Cause or the Citizens Against 620 00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:15.760 UFO Secrecy. I always loved that name. They were essentially legal scholars, 621 00:48:15.800 --> 00:48:22.360 people who were using the Freedom of Information Act, former NSA employees, constitutional 622 00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:28.760 lawyers, things like that. Longtime UFO researchers too, But they were using 623 00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:35.239 the Foyer request process to try and file requests to obtain government documents about UFOs, 624 00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:38.880 and they began to obtain some documents that made references to programs, including 625 00:48:39.440 --> 00:48:43.920 Project Moondust. As you mentioned, there was another one to an adjacent program 626 00:48:43.960 --> 00:48:49.800 called Project blue Fly, and eventually it was confirmed to a researcher named Robert 627 00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:53.000 Todd I think maybe a decade later in the mid nineteen eighties, that indeed 628 00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:57.599 there had been such a program, but that effectively what had happened was that 629 00:48:57.679 --> 00:49:01.519 after these Foyer releases and after the name of the program was compromised, it 630 00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:06.679 ended up being moved into another agency at Apartment and it was given a different 631 00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:12.199 name. Now I've also gotten some additional information recently that states that blue Fly 632 00:49:12.360 --> 00:49:15.280 would have really kind of been a code word for a kind of operation, 633 00:49:15.440 --> 00:49:20.440 rather than being any explicit program, although again it seemed to be inferred in 634 00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:23.679 the information that was provided to Robert Todd back in nineteen eighty six. I 635 00:49:23.719 --> 00:49:28.679 believe that this was a program, and it effectively acted like one. What 636 00:49:28.719 --> 00:49:30.800 I find really interesting, though, is that in certain documentation that describes the 637 00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:37.880 operations of whatever operation Moondust would have entailed, they certainly say that they were 638 00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:44.039 aiming to acquire any kind of Soviet technology that fell from space, but that 639 00:49:44.159 --> 00:49:47.079 essentially any kind of UFOs, right, any kind of UFO technology, and 640 00:49:47.119 --> 00:49:51.880 again that could also entail a Soviet technology hypothetically, but they said that they 641 00:49:52.280 --> 00:49:57.000 essentially would be acquiring these technologies whatever they were, if they fell on US 642 00:49:57.039 --> 00:50:02.159 soil. The reason I think that's interesting is because there's obvious relevance between Moondust, 643 00:50:02.199 --> 00:50:07.000 blue Fly and the UFO phenomenon. And yet again in the recent historical 644 00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:12.599 report that was produced by the dods Arrow there's no mention of Moondust or blue 645 00:50:12.599 --> 00:50:15.679 Fly. They mentioned everything from the Manhattan Project to all these other programs that 646 00:50:15.719 --> 00:50:20.400 really, in truth, have very little to any relevance at all to UFOs. 647 00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:22.920 But they don't bring up Moondust and they don't bring up blue Fly. 648 00:50:23.000 --> 00:50:25.800 And I found that to be yet again one of the criticisms I would have 649 00:50:25.840 --> 00:50:30.760 with Arrow's current investigation. It didn't seem like they went deeply enough. They 650 00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:35.360 leave it up to you know, civilian historical researchers like myself and others to 651 00:50:35.400 --> 00:50:37.440 have to bring all these things to public light. And there's you know, 652 00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:40.599 been a lot of other people who have commented on these programs too. There 653 00:50:40.639 --> 00:50:45.360 was an entire book titled Project Moondust written by researcher Kevin Randall, who again 654 00:50:45.400 --> 00:50:50.719 isn't just a long time really a legendary researcher himself. So again it's it's 655 00:50:50.800 --> 00:50:53.800 unfortunate that it's left to the civilian sector to have to do this historical research. 656 00:50:54.119 --> 00:50:57.719 The government doesn't seem to really have very much interest in kind of, 657 00:50:57.840 --> 00:51:00.920 you know, digging into these things and understanding the full scope of what all 658 00:51:00.960 --> 00:51:05.360 these programs were and what they did. Are you suggesting that Project Moondust is 659 00:51:05.480 --> 00:51:08.280 done with that? It doesn't function anymore. Or and the other thing. 660 00:51:08.719 --> 00:51:15.280 A second question is the name said implies the moon, the lunar surface, 661 00:51:16.199 --> 00:51:20.079 So does that have anything to do with the moon or is that just part 662 00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:23.079 of a title. Yeah, I think it's just a code name. I 663 00:51:23.079 --> 00:51:28.199 don't think that there is a Project Moondust by today's standards. I would say 664 00:51:28.199 --> 00:51:30.480 though, that if indeed what Robert Todd was told back in the eighties is 665 00:51:30.519 --> 00:51:37.559 accurate, that some kind of a similar program or initiative probably has continued. 666 00:51:37.480 --> 00:51:44.920 And it doesn't it's no longer called Moondust, And I would have to imagine 667 00:51:44.920 --> 00:51:47.280 that given all the current threats that we have with you know, China, 668 00:51:47.320 --> 00:51:52.239 with Russia again, that's to me where the quote unquote threat comes from quote 669 00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:58.079 unquote UAP, not from the actual unknowns. And if indeed there's a potential 670 00:51:58.119 --> 00:52:01.000 that there are any kind of threatening surveillance systems, weapons systems, hypersonics, 671 00:52:01.039 --> 00:52:04.559 you know, any of these kind of things that are being developed by the 672 00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:07.280 world militaries, if there's a potential that those might be used against the US, 673 00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:12.639 or that we at some point may acquire one again, Project Moondust's stated 674 00:52:12.679 --> 00:52:15.840 objective was the acquisition of Soviet technologies during the Cold War, there would have 675 00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:22.960 to be some equivalent still extant today. There'd have to be We don't have 676 00:52:22.039 --> 00:52:25.679 a lot of time, but I just want to cross you with a few 677 00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:30.000 or suggest a few themes and see what you have to say. I'm a 678 00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:35.360 big advocate of ancient civilizations on Mars. We've had some of the top people 679 00:52:36.039 --> 00:52:40.400 from doctor John Brandenburgh to Mark Carlotto and all threw down the line. Even 680 00:52:40.480 --> 00:52:45.480 Richard Hoglan at one point, who wrote a fabulous book called The Monuments of 681 00:52:45.599 --> 00:52:58.800 Mars. And or NASA keeps throwing these drones and these rovers to pick up 682 00:52:58.880 --> 00:53:02.280 microbes and things like that. And I keep joking to my listeners and say, 683 00:53:04.079 --> 00:53:07.079 in one of these days, they're going to bump into the staircase of 684 00:53:07.480 --> 00:53:10.840 a temple looking for microbes, but they'll turn the camera away from it. 685 00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:17.280 What's gonna happen when the Chinese or SpaceX get there and they put boots on 686 00:53:17.320 --> 00:53:22.000 the ground and they begin seeing the stuff. Because it's not just Sidonia we're 687 00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:28.159 talking about, which is where the face is located. It's scattered everywhere. 688 00:53:28.519 --> 00:53:32.800 And if the Chinese get an orbiter on there and they land either a human 689 00:53:32.880 --> 00:53:37.639 team or even a rover and start serveying Mars. The couts out of the 690 00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:43.679 bag. Yeah. Well, so again, there's a lot of really interesting 691 00:53:43.719 --> 00:53:47.679 imagery online that seems to show what appear to be structured objects on the surface 692 00:53:47.800 --> 00:53:52.320 surface of Mars. And of course, like you mentioned the famous you know, 693 00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:54.960 implications about Sidonia, things along those lines. Even look at for instance, 694 00:53:55.000 --> 00:53:59.400 I think that there's this monolithic structure. Again, whether or not it's 695 00:53:59.480 --> 00:54:01.440 natural, don't know, but there is clearly something very large that casts a 696 00:54:01.519 --> 00:54:06.440 lengthy shadow I believe on the Martian moon. Phobos are a lot of There 697 00:54:06.440 --> 00:54:09.800 are a lot of Martian anomalies and lunar anomalies. Now what I will say 698 00:54:09.800 --> 00:54:15.039 about those is this, there are a growing number of scientists who are not 699 00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:19.280 people who have been what we would call, you know, alternative theorists and 700 00:54:19.320 --> 00:54:22.000 things along those lines, scientists who are saying that we should use machine learning 701 00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:25.840 to try and discern whether or not there are you know, again, actual 702 00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:30.599 structured technological artifacts that could be found not only on Mars, butok, perhaps 703 00:54:30.679 --> 00:54:35.239 on the Moon. I would think that most of the modern researchers who are 704 00:54:35.400 --> 00:54:38.000 becoming proponents of this, who for a long time probably would not have been. 705 00:54:38.519 --> 00:54:42.199 I think they're seeing some of the developments in the UAP area and they're 706 00:54:42.199 --> 00:54:45.280 saying, huh okay, maybe it seems like there's something here, But they 707 00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:50.480 also are looking at how you know, I mean, the most distant space 708 00:54:50.519 --> 00:54:53.440 object built by humans that we know of today is Voyager one. It's about 709 00:54:53.440 --> 00:54:58.280 fifteen billion miles away and it takes two days for us to get radio communications 710 00:54:58.280 --> 00:55:01.199 to it and then back, and it went offline last November. But we 711 00:55:01.199 --> 00:55:05.920 were able to engineer a way that we can now get you again at least 712 00:55:05.960 --> 00:55:08.559 communications health status updates from the thing. We haven't got usable science yet, 713 00:55:08.559 --> 00:55:12.480 but we're working toward that point. And this is with like i mean, 714 00:55:12.559 --> 00:55:15.199 decades old computer technology, kind of fascinating, But a lot of researchers are 715 00:55:15.239 --> 00:55:20.039 saying, well, listen, we send out probes into interstellar space like Voyager, 716 00:55:20.679 --> 00:55:22.360 surely other intelligences would do the same thing. And if one ever made 717 00:55:22.400 --> 00:55:25.559 its way into our planetary neighborhood, you know, it might have burnt up 718 00:55:25.599 --> 00:55:29.400 if it entered Earth's atmosphere. But if it happened to be caught by the 719 00:55:29.400 --> 00:55:31.880 great big catchers met in the sky, I e. The Moon. You 720 00:55:31.920 --> 00:55:35.000 know, it may have come to rest on the lunar surface, and it 721 00:55:35.000 --> 00:55:37.760 could be that either on the Moon or maybe on Mars. Maybe one day 722 00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:42.199 we will find some evidence of another advanced civilization, whether or not they had 723 00:55:42.239 --> 00:55:46.199 come from that location, their technology may have made its way there. So 724 00:55:46.440 --> 00:55:50.880 to your point, Cliff, I mean, can we risk the opportunity loss 725 00:55:51.119 --> 00:55:54.360 of another nation getting up there and finding that technology first, which, ultimately, 726 00:55:54.400 --> 00:55:57.519 for all we know, may end up being how we confirm that. 727 00:55:57.599 --> 00:56:01.000 Indeed, there are other intelligences out there say it's incumbent upon us to get 728 00:56:01.039 --> 00:56:04.360 up there and start doing some serious research. And again this is part of 729 00:56:04.400 --> 00:56:07.719 why we are aiming in the next few decades to get people up their boots 730 00:56:07.760 --> 00:56:09.599 on the ground on Mars. But really I would hope that with the Artemis 731 00:56:09.679 --> 00:56:14.119 missions and things forthcoming in the next few decades that we could be doing more 732 00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:15.559 of that on the Moon. Who knows what we are yet to find up 733 00:56:15.559 --> 00:56:22.960 there. We had an Artemous space engineer aerospace engineer on the program a couple 734 00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:31.599 of weeks ago, and she was refreshingly blunt about UFO contacts. In fact, 735 00:56:31.639 --> 00:56:36.960 she said that there is a documentation you probably already know this, but 736 00:56:37.639 --> 00:56:45.559 from the very beginning, all the way back to Mercury missions that these liftoff 737 00:56:45.559 --> 00:56:52.440 areas had craft all around them and that it is well known within the community, 738 00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:53.840 but the public doesn't know about it because they don't want to freak people 739 00:56:53.880 --> 00:57:00.800 out. So as we conclude, Micah, what do you think is going 740 00:57:00.880 --> 00:57:09.400 to be the reaction to the first contact? What can we base the current 741 00:57:10.360 --> 00:57:15.960 Earth humans reaction to the knowledge that hey, you're not alone. We're not 742 00:57:16.000 --> 00:57:22.039 alone anymore, We're part of a collective in our cosmos from planet wherever, 743 00:57:22.159 --> 00:57:25.119 planet X or whatever. Yeah, well, I think that's a great question. 744 00:57:25.159 --> 00:57:30.599 First of all, I attended a scientific symposium last fall that was put 745 00:57:30.599 --> 00:57:37.679 on by a new organization called the Soul Foundation. This launched by professors Peter 746 00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:43.280 Skayfish and Gary Nolan, And I mean, this was an academic symposium at 747 00:57:43.320 --> 00:57:45.519 Stanford University, and I have to say that it was kind of a who's 748 00:57:45.559 --> 00:57:50.639 who of this field of research, and it was really fascinating to see all 749 00:57:50.639 --> 00:57:53.320 these people together at Stanford University talking about this. But one of the themes 750 00:57:53.320 --> 00:57:58.400 of that conference had been this idea of you know, how do we sort 751 00:57:58.400 --> 00:58:02.599 of soften the blow for when this information comes out, Because the military seems 752 00:58:02.639 --> 00:58:07.639 to be a tempting right now to evaluate a phenomenon. Some would say that 753 00:58:07.880 --> 00:58:10.840 the intelligence community components may already have a whole lot of information and that's the 754 00:58:10.880 --> 00:58:14.280 kind of stuff like you're alluding to that we don't want to get out. 755 00:58:14.880 --> 00:58:17.480 But in any case, it may be up to academic researchers to start kind 756 00:58:17.519 --> 00:58:21.679 of promoting the idea that hey, look, there's a reality here, so 757 00:58:21.800 --> 00:58:23.639 that maybe by the time this information does come out of government, rather than 758 00:58:23.679 --> 00:58:27.519 people going, oh my god, you mean this stuff's true, they kind 759 00:58:27.519 --> 00:58:30.920 of respond and say, well, I sort of suspected there was something going 760 00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:34.519 on, and maybe indeed people at that point will truly be able to handle 761 00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:37.000 the truth. I hope they will. I think we can. I think 762 00:58:37.039 --> 00:58:43.079 that humans tend to unite when we are faced with incredible revelations and sometimes threats. 763 00:58:43.320 --> 00:58:45.800 I don't think that there's as much of a threat to concern, just 764 00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:49.280 as there is ontological shock to the realization that we may not be alone in 765 00:58:49.320 --> 00:58:52.559 the universe. But I think we can handle it. Is the Soul Foundation 766 00:58:52.440 --> 00:58:59.199 designed to begin releasing more data and making it a little of a soft land 767 00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:02.480 more of a soft landing to this content, I would say that as opposed 768 00:59:02.519 --> 00:59:07.760 to releasing information, because they aren't an official government organization, they are essentially 769 00:59:07.840 --> 00:59:13.159 a group of academics who are attempting to try and provide policy guidance and other 770 00:59:13.199 --> 00:59:16.480 information, academic research and studies, white papers, things along those lines. 771 00:59:16.880 --> 00:59:20.800 They certainly do want to try and soften the blows, so to speak. 772 00:59:20.800 --> 00:59:22.559 In fact, one of the speakers at the event was the former Army Colonel 773 00:59:23.079 --> 00:59:27.960 Carl Nell, who had been the liaison to the UAP Task Force, and 774 00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:31.360 I met and spoke with Carl Nill there. Carl gave an interesting conversation or 775 00:59:31.559 --> 00:59:37.400 presentation rather on what he called catastrophic disclosure, In other words, what would 776 00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:40.679 happen if another nation releases all this information before the US does, And the 777 00:59:40.719 --> 00:59:45.039 implications seemed to be coming from Carl's perspective that he was pretty confident, as 778 00:59:45.039 --> 00:59:49.719 a former military official with the United States Army, that there is a there 779 00:59:49.800 --> 00:59:53.440 there that we do have information about these acquisitions, these NHI craft that David 780 00:59:53.440 --> 00:59:57.239 Grust, the whistlebower, came forward and talked about, and that he felt 781 00:59:57.239 --> 01:00:00.880 that it was incumbent upon us to have a plan for the release that information. 782 01:00:00.199 --> 01:00:05.000 So the Sole Foundation I think works in the furtherance of that objective, 783 01:00:05.000 --> 01:00:07.519 but they are not the ones releasing this information, although there are some former 784 01:00:07.559 --> 01:00:13.079 government officials who are advisors who work with them. I would hope that something 785 01:00:13.119 --> 01:00:19.760 like the Soul Foundation would be a strong advisor on how to begin releasing the 786 01:00:19.840 --> 01:00:23.719 data to the public in a more general fashion. I mean, if you're 787 01:00:23.760 --> 01:00:29.360 going to go to the theologians of the world and ask them what their reaction, 788 01:00:29.440 --> 01:00:34.159 which is what the reaction was, and which is what NASA did a 789 01:00:34.239 --> 01:00:37.280 couple of years ago, that's the wrong people to go after. We have 790 01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:45.599 a huge social media infrastructure in our country that is literally living and communicating about 791 01:00:45.599 --> 01:00:51.320 these things. Ask them, survey them, see what they say. They're 792 01:00:51.320 --> 01:00:54.519 going to get a whole different narrative about the United States public, don't you 793 01:00:54.559 --> 01:00:58.280 think. Oh? Certainly. And again it really has to be on all 794 01:00:58.320 --> 01:01:01.159 fronts. The Sole Foundation is also where with theologians and with religious studies, 795 01:01:01.320 --> 01:01:07.000 you know, scholars like Diana Walsh, Basulka and others. But then there 796 01:01:07.000 --> 01:01:12.199 are also the military officials. Then there are also the anthropologists like doctor Scayfish, 797 01:01:12.199 --> 01:01:14.960 who I've you know, Yeah, Lee, I've had numerous, really 798 01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:19.639 really i think, very rewarding conversations with him at the event and since, 799 01:01:19.920 --> 01:01:23.039 and again I think that everything I've seen from those individuals seems to indicate that 800 01:01:23.079 --> 01:01:28.119 they have the right idea that they are attempting to try and raise the bar 801 01:01:28.239 --> 01:01:31.280 on how we discuss this topic, but with the objective of when the information 802 01:01:31.320 --> 01:01:35.800 eventually comes out, you know, we want to try and hope to present 803 01:01:35.840 --> 01:01:37.920 this in a in a logical way and in a way that humans, people 804 01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:44.079 really all around the world can deal with. Wow. Amazing, Michah Hanks, 805 01:01:44.119 --> 01:01:47.119 thank you, You've been very insightful on the material. Let's talk a 806 01:01:47.159 --> 01:01:51.400 little bit about the Cosmic Summit. You are there, it's going to be 807 01:01:51.480 --> 01:01:54.280 June fifteenth and sixteenth. What are you talking on? What's your topic about? 808 01:01:54.679 --> 01:01:59.960 Well as the evidenced or is evidenced by this conversation, you can imagine 809 01:02:00.119 --> 01:02:02.079 my good pal George Howard, who's putting on the conference. I've known George 810 01:02:02.079 --> 01:02:05.480 for many years, you know, he and I have actually been out there 811 01:02:06.039 --> 01:02:07.840 in the field together and done some research. He in the Seven Ages team 812 01:02:07.840 --> 01:02:12.880 and I George always wants me to give a UAP update, but He also 813 01:02:12.920 --> 01:02:15.639 approached me recently and said, you know, Mike, I wondered we were 814 01:02:15.679 --> 01:02:19.840 on a video call, and he kind of almost sheepishly said, is there 815 01:02:19.880 --> 01:02:22.280 any way that you'd also mc part of this for us? And I said, 816 01:02:22.280 --> 01:02:27.320 of course, said George is just delightful and again a good friend of 817 01:02:27.320 --> 01:02:31.119 many years. So Johanna and I will also be working in that capacity. 818 01:02:31.159 --> 01:02:34.960 But I believe she gave a lecture last year, probably will this year. 819 01:02:35.000 --> 01:02:37.119 I will certainly be giving a UAP update, and there's going to be a 820 01:02:37.119 --> 01:02:42.480 lot going on at the event against some excellent speakers, and I always look 821 01:02:42.519 --> 01:02:45.320 forward to this again, everything from you know, ancient archaeology to you know, 822 01:02:45.360 --> 01:02:51.199 megafinal extinctions, that ever fascinating topic. Go back, Lee Tapy. 823 01:02:51.280 --> 01:02:55.800 I'm sure we'll come up and also other perspectives on both the ancient past but 824 01:02:55.880 --> 01:03:00.239 also how that applies to life today. So again, the Cosmic Summit this 825 01:03:00.440 --> 01:03:04.760 June fifteenth and sixteenth in beautiful Greensboro, North Carolina, not very far from 826 01:03:04.800 --> 01:03:06.960 me. I'm looking forward to getting down there, and Cliff, we've got 827 01:03:07.039 --> 01:03:08.679 to get you out there one year too, Okay, I can't get there. 828 01:03:08.719 --> 01:03:12.280 I'm going to hopefully get there next year. I want to also mention 829 01:03:12.440 --> 01:03:16.840 that George is very open to the academic community. He has quite a few 830 01:03:17.360 --> 01:03:22.679 traditional archaeologists on the program. We'll have a few here on the program as 831 01:03:22.719 --> 01:03:30.599 well. But to have those experts available for questioning as well as to hear 832 01:03:30.639 --> 01:03:34.880 their material is really as a lot to the show, doesn't it. Oh, 833 01:03:34.960 --> 01:03:37.360 it certainly does. You know. Last year we held the event right 834 01:03:37.360 --> 01:03:40.119 here in Asheville, North Carolina, which is where I live, And I 835 01:03:40.119 --> 01:03:45.719 mean, we had so many incredible lectures that were included in the event. 836 01:03:45.760 --> 01:03:50.119 But again, like you said, it was a good blend of the you 837 01:03:50.119 --> 01:03:53.480 know, the theoretical and some of the more speculative and then the traditional, 838 01:03:53.920 --> 01:03:57.920 you know approach to archaeology, which is kind of where I've been more in, 839 01:03:58.360 --> 01:04:00.199 you know, in terms of my own involvement this, I have an 840 01:04:00.239 --> 01:04:03.280 AGES team and I Jason Pintrail, James Waldo and I we have assisted a 841 01:04:03.280 --> 01:04:09.159 lot of archaeological excavations. As again we're amateur, as we are avocationalists, 842 01:04:09.159 --> 01:04:12.480 so we go volunteer and work with the actual PhDs and we assist in those 843 01:04:12.519 --> 01:04:15.840 excavations and try to further knowledge by basically blood sweat and tears. You know, 844 01:04:15.840 --> 01:04:18.320 you're out there with a shovel, digging in the dirt. I love 845 01:04:18.400 --> 01:04:23.840 that, and we've always supported the efforts of serious academic archaeologists, and George 846 01:04:23.920 --> 01:04:26.880 does too, and that's why he tries to get a blend of both so 847 01:04:26.920 --> 01:04:29.960 that all perspectives are covered. And I appreciate that. I didn't know you 848 01:04:29.960 --> 01:04:32.519 were picking up a shovel and digging with those guys. That's that's kind of 849 01:04:32.519 --> 01:04:35.880 cool. Oh yeah, yeah. I've spent many, many years out there 850 01:04:35.920 --> 01:04:40.440 working with people, and several seasons down there at the White Pond site in 851 01:04:40.519 --> 01:04:44.519 a Greater Columbia, South Carolina, with doctor Chris Moore and some of the 852 01:04:44.559 --> 01:04:47.000 very folks who have been involved in the Comet Research Group and their efforts. 853 01:04:47.000 --> 01:04:50.239 You know, they're kind of looking at the younger, driest impact hypothesis, 854 01:04:50.519 --> 01:04:54.679 the idea that there was this, you know, this cataclysmic impact that occurred 855 01:04:54.760 --> 01:04:59.559 right around maybe twenty seven or twelve seven hundred years ago. That's another conversation 856 01:04:59.599 --> 01:05:01.440 for another time. But again, that stuff all fascinates me, and you'll 857 01:05:01.480 --> 01:05:04.719 be hearing about that at the Cosmic Summit too. I want to remind our 858 01:05:04.760 --> 01:05:10.559 listeners that for more information on the Cosmic Summit June fifteenth and sixteenth. Go 859 01:05:10.679 --> 01:05:15.920 to Cosmicsummit dot com, Forward Slash Earth Ancients all the informations there. If 860 01:05:15.920 --> 01:05:18.880 you can't get out, check out the streaming media package. It is so 861 01:05:19.280 --> 01:05:25.719 amazing. You get all the speakers and you get to keep all the people 862 01:05:25.760 --> 01:05:33.559 you can't see in a cloud program. So all the details are on Cosmicsemmit 863 01:05:33.599 --> 01:05:38.800 dot com, Forward Slash Earth Ancients. Micah Hanks Real Pleasure. How can 864 01:05:38.840 --> 01:05:42.559 people learn more about you? What's your website? Give us some details about 865 01:05:42.559 --> 01:05:45.639 what you're up to. Indeed, it's always easy to find me online. 866 01:05:45.639 --> 01:05:48.440 It's just my website is micah Hanks dot com. My name, So if 867 01:05:48.480 --> 01:05:51.519 you head over to Micahnks dot com you'll find all the podcasts I produce, 868 01:05:51.559 --> 01:05:55.440 I mean every single week. I've got the Micah Hanks program my kind of 869 01:05:55.480 --> 01:05:58.719 flagship, but there are still the other podcasts I do as well. In 870 01:05:58.719 --> 01:06:01.559 one of those, the Seven Ages are your Journal that Jason and James really 871 01:06:01.559 --> 01:06:06.039 have spearheaded over the last few years. Jason's always picking excellent guests and we 872 01:06:06.119 --> 01:06:09.440 try to get at least one of those, if not two, out every 873 01:06:09.480 --> 01:06:13.920 month that are covering archaeology, and then as far as this sort of topic, 874 01:06:13.960 --> 01:06:16.679 the UAP thing, I am pretty frequently reporting on that as well as 875 01:06:16.719 --> 01:06:19.880 you know, space, science, technology, all kinds of things over at 876 01:06:19.840 --> 01:06:25.320 the debrief dot org. But again, anytime there's really significant breaking news involving 877 01:06:25.400 --> 01:06:28.280 UAP, I try to cover that just like we would cover any topic in 878 01:06:28.360 --> 01:06:30.679 science, so you can find all that information there as well. Excellent, 879 01:06:30.719 --> 01:06:33.639 and you're about to do for another book, don't you, fella. Oh 880 01:06:33.719 --> 01:06:39.440 yeah, yeah, clear, that's a whole other conversation. I know I 881 01:06:39.480 --> 01:06:43.679 shouldn't say anything. I'm behind on two books so well, when we get 882 01:06:43.719 --> 01:06:46.079 them done, though, we'll have to have to reconvene. Definitely, definitely, 883 01:06:46.440 --> 01:06:50.599 Hey, Mike, real pleasure and looking forward to seeing you at the 884 01:06:51.920 --> 01:07:00.000 Cosmic Summit. Indeed always a pleasure, Cliff, great to see you. 885 01:07:01.440 --> 01:07:09.039 There's literally thousands of bits and pieces of literature that has generated on the ufou 886 01:07:09.159 --> 01:07:17.519 AP alien phenomenon that is currently surrounding our planet, and it's good to hear 887 01:07:17.519 --> 01:07:23.840 from Micah because he's really digging into the details, the stuff that most of 888 01:07:23.920 --> 01:07:28.719 us just don't care to look into or don't have access to. It sounds 889 01:07:28.719 --> 01:07:33.119 like he had access to data that isn't typically released to the general public. 890 01:07:33.719 --> 01:07:36.360 But I have to say, not only was it good to hear from him 891 01:07:36.559 --> 01:07:44.920 and to touch base with his knowledge of things, but it kind of presents 892 01:07:44.920 --> 01:07:50.519 itself as a continual study. But you know, we're still being We're not 893 01:07:50.840 --> 01:07:59.199 We're still not privy to the details of landings, of interactions with off world 894 01:07:59.239 --> 01:08:05.480 types. And I don't think that there'll ever really be full disclosure because it's 895 01:08:05.480 --> 01:08:10.559 just too much. It's too much, just probably and I think we heard 896 01:08:10.559 --> 01:08:15.320 from somebody I can't remember who it was. It's so overwhelming that they the 897 01:08:15.360 --> 01:08:21.479 government, you know, has lost its grip on it, and it's uh, 898 01:08:24.319 --> 01:08:29.119 you know, it really crosses over. If you've ever follow or watch 899 01:08:29.520 --> 01:08:32.840 doctor Steven Greer's work, he is very thick in it. I got to 900 01:08:32.880 --> 01:08:40.560 get him on the program. He is talking about black ops groups that are 901 01:08:40.720 --> 01:08:48.760 creating alternative energy and vehicles and using technology and integrating the technology in society. 902 01:08:48.840 --> 01:08:54.479 But black ops groups doesn't want to do don't want to do that because it 903 01:08:54.520 --> 01:09:00.640 would mean the loss of petro chemicals and the petroleum industry, which is trillions 904 01:09:00.640 --> 01:09:05.680 of dollars. And it's too bad because you know, if we had a 905 01:09:05.720 --> 01:09:15.640 technology that eliminated carbon and carbon monoxide emissions, not only would we save our 906 01:09:15.479 --> 01:09:20.720 environment, but we would probably be a lot better off health wise. So 907 01:09:24.520 --> 01:09:29.439 lots of questions. I keep at it. We drop a UFO UAP alien 908 01:09:29.720 --> 01:09:34.159 author on the program occasionally just to give us an update as to what's happening, 909 01:09:34.239 --> 01:09:41.920 what's going on, and if there's anything that's really important. So I'll 910 01:09:42.039 --> 01:09:46.279 drop a program like this occasionally just to keep us up to date. So 911 01:09:46.600 --> 01:09:54.520 hope you enjoyed that. Hey, we do a couple of tours every year. 912 01:09:55.319 --> 01:10:00.600 Actually it's around three now and we're going to be in Turkey August fourteenth 913 01:10:00.800 --> 01:10:06.000 through the twenty fourth. We're about half full, and there's more and more 914 01:10:06.079 --> 01:10:11.880 data coming out of Turkey that not only is it one of the supporters of 915 01:10:11.960 --> 01:10:15.119 some of the most ancient people in the world, many like the go Beckley 916 01:10:15.159 --> 01:10:20.119 Tepee temple that we don't even know who the people were, but it's dated 917 01:10:20.199 --> 01:10:28.279 to what twelve thousand years ago, and it keeps confounding us as to what 918 01:10:28.479 --> 01:10:30.840 these temples were, that they were building, what they are used for. 919 01:10:31.319 --> 01:10:35.239 We're going to be seeing go Beckley Teppy in this upcoming tour, we're going 920 01:10:35.319 --> 01:10:40.000 to see a lot of other sites that are close to go Beckley Tappy. 921 01:10:41.399 --> 01:10:45.199 We're also going to places like darren Kuru, Cappadocia, and a lot of 922 01:10:45.399 --> 01:10:53.159 ancient sites that are off the beaten path that general public doesn't really get the 923 01:10:53.239 --> 01:10:59.479 chance to see. If you want more information and to see our current banuary, 924 01:10:59.720 --> 01:11:03.239 go to earth Ancients dot com Forward slash Tours. I want to also 925 01:11:03.319 --> 01:11:09.720 mention that our guide is going to be Mohammed Imbrahem, who has typically with 926 01:11:09.800 --> 01:11:15.319 us in Egypt, but he is also adept at tours in Turkey. He 927 01:11:15.439 --> 01:11:18.960 and I came up with his agenda and we think it's a good one. 928 01:11:19.000 --> 01:11:23.680 It's a good overview of Turkey and we're looking forward to it. We got 929 01:11:23.800 --> 01:11:28.039 spaces left, so if you're interested, come on out earth Ancients dot com, 930 01:11:28.039 --> 01:11:31.119 forward slash tours, and if you have any questions regarding any of our 931 01:11:31.119 --> 01:11:35.119 tours, send me an email. Send it to Earth Ancients the number four 932 01:11:35.119 --> 01:11:40.439 of the letter you at gmail dot com and I'll get right back to you. 933 01:11:40.640 --> 01:11:45.079 I want to mention that our Sacred Temples of Mexico is filling up. 934 01:11:45.560 --> 01:11:49.039 That's going to be November eighth through the seventeenth that's going to be in Yucatan, 935 01:11:49.279 --> 01:11:56.399 and I'll tell you they have found a number of new ruins in and 936 01:11:56.439 --> 01:12:02.479 around this area where this new tour train is in Yucatan, so we're gonna 937 01:12:02.479 --> 01:12:09.159 see most of these. And we also have made arrangements to climb the pyramids 938 01:12:09.199 --> 01:12:16.359 at ushmol Ekpa Loam, Mayapan and some of the smaller temples that are close 939 01:12:16.399 --> 01:12:20.039 to where we will be, which is Mareda. Come out and join us 940 01:12:20.079 --> 01:12:25.520 Earth Ancients dot Com, Forward Slash Tours and let's take a look at things 941 01:12:25.600 --> 01:12:32.359 together and see the ancient past to the eyes of the Maya. All right, 942 01:12:32.399 --> 01:12:36.359 that's it for today's program. I want to thank my guest Micah Hanks 943 01:12:36.439 --> 01:12:43.600 coming to us from North Carolina. As always, a team of Gael Tour, 944 01:12:44.760 --> 01:12:48.479 Mark Foster, and everyone who makes this thing happen. You guys rock 945 01:12:49.640 --> 01:12:53.720 all right, take care of be well and we will talk to you next 946 01:12:53.800 --> 01:13:41.439 time. I did the b