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be true and it is not a question of the Libo cultism. What a
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yere the old gods unt dead? And what is the true God when he's
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cause to effect, but actually from a nonlinear, non subjective viewpoint, it's
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to Paranormal UK Radio and good evening everybody. Welcome to another edition of the
parentrmal UK Radio show, the flagship Show here on the Paranormal UK Radio Network.
Once again, I'm Mark Johnson, flying solo tonight. Irene couldn't make
it she had a bunch of personal matters to take care of today, so
unfortunately you're stuck with me. Oh well, I pity you. In any
case, I hope everyone had a great Halloween season. Of course, my
favorite time of year. I didn't really get to do a whole heck of
a lot. But you know, this year has just been one of those
years. But still coming into fall, it's beautiful. All the leaves are
changed and falling everywhere. So here in the northeast of the United States,
it's beautiful, and I'm sure over there in the UK it's gorgeous too.
Next time I read's on she can talk about it. In any case,
I want to go ahead and get right into tonight's guest because I'm fascinated with
her story. We're talking tonight with Lorraine McAdam now. Lorraine is an artist,
writer, a poet. In the past, she's worked as a nurse
for well over twelve years, and later on she trained to become a teacher
and has been teaching English for the last twelve years and now runs her own
tuition business. Now, she's also been having experiences and encounters with what we
think are paranormal ets, UFOs, etc. Which she realized she's been having
since she was a child, and these are chronicled in her brand new book
Phantoms of the Night, My Lifelong Experience of Contact with the Paranormal. Actually
it's phantoms in the Night or ets question mark. So Laurene, welcome to
the program. Oh hi, thank you for having me on. Now,
Laurie, could you tell the just for the audience, tell us where you
currently reside. I live in Cumbria, UK, in a city called Carlisle,
often called the border city. It's very near to the Lake District,
about twenty minutes from the famous Lake District, which is very beautiful part of
the UK. I'm sure UK viewers all immediately understand what I'm talking about there
with My husband's actually walked all the wain Rights which are very famous here.
They are the mountains that mister Wainwright will traversed and then people try and do
them. There's about two hundred and fifty six of them, so that's what
are here. Yeah, so well, hey you tell me, since I
haven't had a chance to talk to Irene, how is the fall weather over
there? Leaves changing? Absolutely, It's very beautiful here actually get lots of
different colors. And as I say, we're ten minutes from Scotland, we're
near to Gretna. Have you've heard of Gretna where people used to run away
to get married, and we are very close to, as I say,
to this beautiful mountainous region called the Lake District, and there's lots of beautiful
colors there, you know, in the back against the backdrop of the mountains.
Lots of different tree species as well, so it's absolutely gorgeous. Yeah,
lovely, lovely. I was over in the UK for the very first
time this summer in August and stayed with Irene. She and her husband live
in Wales, so we spent Yeah, so we spent most of our time
in Wales, but very beautiful country. Yeah, and can't wait to come
back. You should come to the Lakes next time. It's really beautiful here
too, So not that Wales isn't we have Mank Snowden's gorgeous, but you
know, it's absolutely lovely here with the Lake District. Yeah. So Irene's
partly Scottish from the McKinsey clans, so you're coming up that way. I'm
sure she'd she'd love to do that. Yes, we've got that in common.
I'm half a scott too, I'm McAdam. Okay, yeah, fantastic.
So let's talk about your book, Phantoms in the Night or ets.
Now. You have been having these experiences since childhood, but when did you
first start to notice that you were having these experiences. Did it take a
while before you started to put things together that something wasn't right. It took
quite a long time for me, actually, yeah, because the actual what
I believe now when I look back, abductions, and I firmly believe there
were abductions began when I was only about twelve years old. And what would
happen would be that I would just hear this. Sometimes I would hear whispering
as though they were conducting a conversation, and I thought I was hearing things,
you know, at first, and then what would happen. I'd hear
this whispering, and then this buzzing noise would start up, and it sounded
like, to kind of illustrate for listeners, like the buzzing of a lot
of bees, and it would just grow louder and louder. Tell it would
kind of film me from top to toe, and I would be completely paralyzed,
couldn't even open my mouth to scream or anything, and I wanted to
believe me, And then I would just black out, and it would go
from being nighttime when I was in my room in the dark, and suddenly
it would flip from night to day, and it would feel to me from
my perspective like seconds had just gone past, and then it would suddenly be
six a m or something like that, you know. And this went on
right until I was sixteen years old. It would happen at least once,
sometimes twice a week to me, and I just didn't understand what the het
was happening to me at all. And I just put it down because I've
been brought up as a Catholic. I put it down to deem an oppression
that I was being, and I prayed, and I would cry out to
Jesus to deliver me from them and all sorts, and nothing worked. Really.
Yeah, now, this has been happening to you most of your life,
yet you've only recently decided to come forward. Your book was published just
back in August, so this is the first time you're telling your story.
Why now? Because well, the first thing that convinced me was I saw
the naval people coming out the pilots about the tick and TAC craft. And
when I saw that, I thought, well, i've seen that, I've
seen one on the ground, and i've seen one. As I'll explain,
I saw one in a very vivid dream and I know I believe they belonged
to what I often referred to as the Nordic kytes. So I saw that,
and I also was kind of pushed, I believe, by a Nordic
that contacts I believe contacts me from time to time. And I feel like
he was saying, for God's sake, how long you're going to wait?
Get your story out? Told them what you've seen, you know, how
long you're going to wait? And this happened during lockdown, where he appeared
to me on three separate occasions, and I believe I was abducted on one
of them, actually, But I believe the craft I've seen, or the
Nordic craft as well as I don't explain if you like, but there is
quite a lot to my story. But I feel like I was kind of
given a metaphorical kick up at the bottom by the Nordics to kind of get
my story out. And also I felt, as I've explained in my introduction,
that it would that for the last thirty forty years, we've all been
ridiculed and cold looney's and nutcases when we've tried to tell people about this,
and even my own mother wouldn't believe me, you know, for a long
time, until she saw UFO herself in the same field I saw them in,
and then she said, oh my god, I think you must have
been telling the truth all along. But that's that's I will explain that,
you know, further on in the interview. But I just feel like there's
a sea change going on as we speak, you know, what with David
Grush coming out and you know, the American government giving amnesty. Are they
two whistleblowers now? Is that right? Am I correct with that? So
I think that's a good thing, you know, and that I feel like
I have been in the paper, the local paper as well, and I
feel like that I've been given a I haven't been ridiculed as much as I
thought I was going to be, apart from from one set of people,
but the reception of this has been so open minded by most people. I
feel like there's a sea change going on towards people like myself. You know,
they're in attitude, if that makes sense. M There has been a
paradigm shift these last several years between the release of this military footage. It's
like partial disclosure, Yet the government still is very tight lip on a lot
of it. You know, the people uphologists are all happy with glee that
all this is coming out. Unfortunately, I feel the general public is still
apathetic because condition for so many years to dismiss this is fantasy. And the
media always whenever they if they ever did report on something they would there would
always be the snicker factor of them, you know, playing X files music
or whatever, not taking it seriously. But now, yeah, things are
changing, Yes, and there are more shows, TV shows that are based
on it. They're my favorite right now, of course. And I've mentioned
this before on the show is The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch, which is about
that. Yeah, there was the book, but they have a television series
here I think it's finally also airing over in your country, but where they're
doing a lot of scientific experiments on that ranch and some of what they're coming
up with is just mind blowing. And then you know, I've also have
had the opportunity to talk with I'm going to say, over the last few
years a dozen other UFO experiencers as I call them, and I'm not sure
abduction is the right word anymore, and i don't like using it. Actually,
I'd rather say that I'm a witness or that I'm an experiencer. Yeah,
because I don't feel that my encounters have been I don't feel like they
were malevolent, if that makes sense. I feel like they were beneficial to
me, that they raise my consciousness. Yeah, it's just yeah, when
you're when you're growing up with certain ideals and especially with religious background, you
know, and back then, of course, none of this was really that
much in the public eye, so people had no idea about it. No,
they didn't. And it really did take cases like Barney and Betty Hill
in the sixties to start putting things on the map. And it really took
off when Whitley Strieber wrote his book Communion, which we're going to talk about
here in a little bit, because I know that comes into play into your
story. Yes, it was definitely. Tell me what are some of your
earliest memories of your first encounters that you can remember. They were very frightening
to me at first, because, as I say, I thought they were
demons and I would pray for them to go away and things and that none
of that works. And one night, one of my really vivid memories is
of waking up and it was almost like they were trying to show me were
not demons, were actually physical beings just like you. Because I could see
I think it was a male I'm going to say, his hand. I
could see his hands, and I could see it was different from a human
hand. I could see the long, three long fingers, and it really
scared me, and my reaction was kind of unfortunately. I wish I hadn't
done that now that I was so scared. So I dug my nails into
this hand, and the reaction I got was I got dug back by him.
Then he let me out of the paralysis, and I ran to put
the light on, and I looked at my hand and the remarks where he
dug me, but obviously they'd vanished, and I thought, oh, oh
my god, what the heck was that? And then there was another time
where I was literally put back outside during the summertime in my back garden and
had to knock on the door, of course, to get my mom to
let me back into the house, and she accused me of doing it for
attention, of literally climbing out the window down the pipe there was a window
the dam pipe, and then jumping off into the garden just to wake her
up. At six am, like you do to get attention, and that
wasn't the case at all. I had to knock on the door and I
was completely confused and disorientated on that occasion. And then there was another occasion
where they paralyzed me, but I didn't black out, and I thought felt
like they were poking me in the back, and I thought, what if
they're doing now? And when I came out of the paralysis, it was
almost like they did it on purpose. There were all these like black like
hieroglyphic like symbols on the back of my night dress and it was like a
black charcoal crayone yes, yeah, And that terrified me, and foolishly,
because I was only a kid, I went and just put me night in
the washing for I was going to say, please tell me you took pictures,
do you know? I didn't because we weren't very well off and I
didn't have a camera. You're talking about the mid seventies, you know.
My mum and father had broken up and she had very little money, so
I didn't have a camera. I didn't possess one. Honestly, I wish
I had, but I was so frightened by it to be honest with you,
I just wanted it to go away. And my mom found it and
really told me off about it and accused me of drawing them, And I
said, how would I know how to draw? It looked like Egyptian hieroglyphic.
I said, how would I know how to draw those? And we
had the shooge argument and I ended up having to wash it myself. Yeah,
and she won't believe me. Let me let me ask you the being
with the three fingers. Now you've mentioned the Nordics a couple of times,
and yes, we're getting into those, But yeah, what did this being
look like did it? Was it a Nordic or did it was it what
some people would think of as a gray or what was it? What a
different type of being? It was a gray because I did also have shortly
after that happened, I had a dream very now I'm saying dreaming inverted commerce
because I believe what my mind was doing was recalling back some of what had
happened during the time of the abduction of when it was taken. Because what
happened was they appeared to me like to be it was pitch black, because
it was pitch black in reality in my bedroom and I was floated out of
bed and I was put on like a floating stretcher and all this sounds weird,
and the stretcher then kind of slowly moved through the wall and I went
through my bedroom wall, and I remember looking at the spiders webs in the
brick. Inside the brick, there were spiders and spiders webs. I can
remember this even now years later. And I came through the wall and I
was floated up to a waiting cylindrical craft and it was a round craft,
and underneath there was this really deep kind of blue light coming out of the
bottom of this craft. And as I zoomed up towards it, I just
passed out. So I must have maybe passed out in reality, I don't
know, And that's all I could remember. But it was from that point
onwards that I began to think, what on earth is happening to me?
You know? Am I going crazy? Am I having nightmares? You know?
It was just I'll be about fourteen at this point, and it had
been happening for about two years, and I thought, what the heck is
this? What the heck is going on? You know? And I didn't
really want to accept that I was having some kind of contact or something.
You know, it just didn't even come into my mindset. I couldn't,
you know, I didn't want to face it. It was like I was
in denial for a long time, you know. So it really scared me,
actually, you know. And and every time I tried to tell my
mum, she just said, oh, you've got a really vivid imagination's just
having nightmares. And that's all I gotten. Then she threatened to take me
to the psychiatrist after, you know, when I got put in the garden.
You know, she believe me because I realized then something really strange was
going on, you know, toy cup there. And then sometimes I'd be
put back with my night on the wrong way or inside out. That often
happened, like I didn't have any concept about human clothing. I've heard.
I've heard similar stories about that. I've heard of one gentleman I interviewed who
came back wearing a woman's night shirt and he he actually had gone to bed
wearing a T shirt that says, I I got abducted by aliens and all
like that was this lousy T shirt. So he can only imagine who might
have wound up with that that is so funny. So so these experiences started
so young. And just where there any breaks periods of time where you got
a reprieve or was it just consistent throughout most of your life. No,
I did get reprieves, as you put it. I had a dis intense
contact from being twelve to sixteen. And I think that was mainly the grays,
as you could because why I say that is because they would appear to
be cats, but they can't eyed the huge eyes and they couldn't disguise the
eyes. And on one occasion I did manage to break out of paralysis and
turn around and look straight at one of them, and that's what I saw,
you know, and I recognized the face on the cover of Whitley Striper's
book, you know, in the night early nineties. But then it suddenly
seemed to stop around sixteen, when I went to pre nursing college to do.
Back then, you didn't do a degree like you do now. You
went to do a pre nursing course in a college. And it was when
I was going to college that I feel I encountered my first Nordic who was
a lady, and I refer to in my book as a girl at the
bus stop because she never spoke. But usually when I was waiting for the
bus, there would be a lot of other teenagers waiting with me to go
to college as well to do various courses. But on two occasions when I
encountered this what I'll call a strange looking girl, there was just me and
hair, and she would look straight at me and it was like she was
looking into my soul almost, and she was very, very beautiful. I've
got an AI picture of her that if you want me to send it to
you, that has since been generated by a really good friend of mine drawing.
Yeah, she was very beautiful, and it was like she was trying
to say, yes, you're not imagining things. I am not from here.
I am some you know, I am in some kind of disguise role.
Now you know you said your wife was psychic, Well, I am
also psychic, can have been since I was twelve, And with me,
I can read people's energies, so I'm very empathetic. And I'm also psychometric,
where I can take an object like an ear ring or a watch or
someone's ring that they wear a lot, and I can read the past and
the future of that person, and usually I'm quite accurate. I haven't done
it for a long time, but I can do it. I also have
a healing ability that I don't use a lot, but when I do use
has proved to be quite effective. I had a friend who had a tumor
in a neck and I laid hands on her and it shrank, and it
shrank down to nothing after they told her that they couldn't do anything about it.
So I believe I have CAT. I wouldn't say i'm I don't know
whether i'm I have more power than a real life Eve And I don't know
because that really did stum May actually when she said it a drunk I believe
you have some ability. Definitely. Yeah. A lot of experiencers have reported
yeah. You know, I've always been fascinated with the works of Dolores Cannon
or even doctor John Mack, who were both hypnotherapists and regress people back to
their experiences, and you know, so many of them do come back,
like yourself from these experiences with enhanced psychic abilities, with the ability to heal
psychometry, all sorts of psychic or even paranormal events. Did you ever have
a problem being around electronics, Yes, I do frequently. My husband and
may have a standing jaw that I explode. All the light bulbs in the
kitchen. Halogen one seem to be vulnerable to me. I don't know why.
Husband thinks it's hilarious. And there was one time, and it's if
I get extremely happy or extremely sad, it happens and I don't know why.
But we were having this huge row one day. You know, we're
all row, don't we when we're married. But we were having this huge
row, and we happened to be under the halogen lights in the kitchen and
they all went pop pop pop, as I kind of blew a gasket,
and it kind of diffused the situation with the pun in a way, because
these lights popping off above us made us both fall about laughing at each other,
you know. And what I tend to do is I set off airport
equipment when I'm going through it, and I can take every bit of metal
off me, I can take my watch. I've learned to just take them
all off. And there was one occasion when no matter what I took off
and what I did, I just kept setting the airport of security off.
I think it was when I was going to Florida actually, and this it
was really puzzled by me. And she waved the thing over money, and
every time she waved it over my right knee it went ping ping, you
know. And she said, have you had a knee implant or something?
I said, no, have you had a knee replacement? No? And
she just couldn't get ahead around. And in the end she just waved me
through because I was such a nuisance, you know, it just wouldn't stop
doing it. So and I do set alarms off in shops sometimes I'll trigger
them for no apparent reason. Yeah, their security alarms. It happened to
me in New York when me and my husband went to New York in spring,
and this guard chased me thinking that I'd shoplifted and I hadn't, and
I quite happily let him look in my back. But it was embarrassing,
you know, and I said, to see, I told her I hadn't
stolen anything, So yes, I do. You know. It's it's all
this high strangeness and weirdness that we we put up with and go through this.
I can't say we I have not the closest I've ever come was on
a couple of occasions, I've seen orange string of orange globes lights in the
sky behaving mysteriously. Yes, I did have one one vivid dream not very
long ago, of like being floated up to a UFO, examined and returned,
and it was it did happen during a dream state, but it was
so vivid. Now I'm sitting here thinking, hmmm, yes, that sounds
suspicious to me. Yeah, yeah, so I don't know. Yeah,
this this one friend of mine I was telling you about before we started,
who's having very similar experiences to yours. Oh yeah, it lives over in
Belgium and he's been having ongoing experience is now for quite a while. But
they've been very intense, and you know, it's the same same situation with
him. And when you talked about having missing time, suddenly like it's a
blink later and several hours have passed. Have you ever had an encounter with
these beings where it felt like maybe you were gone for hours or days and
then when you come out of it, it seems like seconds or minutes have
passed. Yes, I have. There's one in my book actually that I
document which I think is one of my more important ones as far as witnesses
are concerned, because eight witnesses saw me go missing for an hour when I
was actually a nurse on night duty. I was the senior staff nurse as
well, so they were all panicking thinking where the heck is shit. What
happened was that I used to do four nights a week, and curiously on
this occasion. To give you some context, can I just explain it from
the beginning, because he was told Nordic to give this some context. What
happened when I was about seventeen, and this is in my book as well,
And I'll send you a photo of him that's been done by my friend
if you like, because I think you'd find that interesting. I met him,
I had two more men came to my door, and as I say,
I'm very psychic, and the blonde one, I felt some strange energy
from him and they said, can we come back? And all this because
of an interest, so I said they could. But the funny thing was
that he came back on his own. And I've since been told that they're
not allowed to do that. So I wonder what happened when I look back
on this incident, and this happened very shortly after the abductions or whatever you
want to call them, stop. But he was wearing like a polo blue
sweater and he came back and he was wearing sort of dark blue jeene in
this navy blue sweater, as I say, And I remember him sitting next
to me, chatting with me, and I offered him coffee and he wouldn't
have it. But then I believe they won't have coffee and he wouldn't have
anything. But I can't remember what we said for the life a minute,
which is strange. I know we talked for quite a while. Now,
you'd think that I would remember at least some of that conversation because I have
a really good memory. But what I do have is a brilliant memory for
faces. My husband remarks on it, because I'll spot an actor in one
thing and I'll say that's the actor from say the Big Bang Theory or something,
and my husband I'll go, how do you recognize them like that?
Out of context? So I do have a really good memory for faces.
And the reason I'm saying this is for a reason because on this particular night,
when I believe I was taken him from debate staff. And this would
be something like sixteen years later. I met this same guy and he hadn't
aged one bit and I recognized him immediately, and I was walking up to
work with a colleague was with me when it happened. And he was an
auxiliary nurse, so what you'd call a nursing assistant in the States. And
you know, we caught the same buss and they asked us what time it
was. And I stirred and stirred at this blonde guy because the reason was
my friend said, oh, he said, you fancy him. I said,
no, it wasn't that. I said, I think I've seen him
before. But I didn't tell him that I thought it was an alien because
I think my friend would have thought, well, my colleague would have thought
I was an upcase. I thought, so I never said anything, but
I thought, how on earth can I be like twenty nine now? I
last saw when when I was seventeen, And yeah, he doesn't seem to
have aged one bit. He had no wrinkles at all, no flaws,
no no facial markings. They looked clean shaven. And then as I got
to work that night at one up Circle, around one am, a buzzer
went on the top floor and I went to answer it because it was highly
unusual because they were what we call psychogeriatric patients, which is people with dementia
or Alzheimer's, and they were normally wouldn't buzz like that, you know,
they wouldn't think to pull the buzzer for the nurse. You'd just go and
check on them regularly. Anyway, I went up there and as I traversed
the corner from the lift right at the bottom of the corridor were not naudic,
but they looked like Rectilian and I have a mock up of them which
I could send you as well. And I saw this male and I believe
it was a female, and she was wearing a scarf wrapped around her head,
so I couldn't see her features very well, but I could see his
and he had sort of didn't look human at all, had like sort of
pointy ears coming up from his head and glowing red eyes, which absolutely terrified
me. And this like muddy sort of brown skin, like leathery looking skin,
and I just ran for the nearest bathroom and locked myself in. That
was my reaction. I was absolutely terrified. And to my mind, only
a second of time had gone because I pulled the red pulse switch, you
know, for the nurse. The nurse that came was the other staff nurse
that was on duty with me, and she said, open the door,
Open the door. And I said the first thing, I SAIDs have been
gone? And she said has who gone? And I said those two?
And I was in a right state. And she said, you've gone white.
That was what the first thing she said to me was You've gone the
color of white, literally gone white. And she said, what on earth
is going on? And I tried to tell her what I'd seen, but
she wouldn't believe me, of course, you know, because you were saying
about people being conditioned. She said, oh, you perhaps had an hallucination,
that was what she said. And I was convinced that that was no
hallucination. I mean, you don't run away from an hallucination. And I
was perfectly lucid. I wasn't on tablets, you know, or anything like
that. People have asked me, were you on tablets? Were you on
this way? I wasn't on anything. I was a young woman in perfect
health. You know, I was very real bust back then. I could
do a twelve hour shift and it wouldn't bother me, you know, a
twelve hour night shift, and there was absolutely nothing wrong with me, you
know, And I know what I saw. And she said, do you
know what you've been missing for a whole hour? She said, We've been
looking everywhere for you. We couldn't find you anywhere, she said, We've
been everywhere looking for you. She said, until you pull this buzzer.
And I looked down at my watch and it was exactly, you know,
nearly two am so and yet to me, in my head had been there
seconds. So that, to me, that's one of the weirdest things that's
happened to me. And afterwards, I just thought, they can take me
anywhere anytime. They can come to work and literally take me. It's what
I thought. But I couldn't tell anyone, you know, because as you
say, it was the sort of early nineties and people you know, like
react very badly or they were just mock cue. I mean, these staff
knew that I was psychic as well, because I've read several done readings for
them, you know, the rings and jewelry, and they knew I was
psychic. And I'd seen a ghost at that same home I saw, I
got the ghost of a little girl ornted the top floor corridor the first day
I was on there. She went skipping past me and I thought she was
somebody's grandchild because she looked as solid as anybody. So I am prone to
seeing things as well like that, you know, And I'll never forget that
night. It was just so frightening. But the funny thing was that I
met that same guy on the way, you know, that i'd known years
before, and I'm wonder if there was a connection, you know, there
was if they were trying to say, again, there are other people apart
from you in the universe, you know. And I'd only just made the
connection and another salient point to makers that I had read communion by them,
and I've made the connection that I'd had some kind of contact with ets with
the grip what I would call the grays. And it made me think,
well, are the these pale, blonde, blue eyed people eats as well?
Because I got this strange energy from them. And I remember the girl
at the bus stop, you know, that I'd encountered twice, and it
all seemed to come back into my mind, and I thought there's a connection
here, and I fen wonder are these people members of some kind of federation
on these all these races? Are they in some kind of federation and they're
trying to get disclosures to happen on Earth because they're fed up with this embargo
on the truth, you know, and so they've all worked together with it.
With me, I feel to push me out of my comfort zone and
say, look, we're here. Hey, you know, we're here.
We're not going to go away. We're gonna keep doing these things until you
finally put two and two together and make ten, you know, which is
what happened. Really. I don't know what you think about that, but
I suspect that maybe some kind of federation type thing in existence what I think
some people have postulated on that, and I don't know everybody's experiences. Well,
there are a lot of similarities, there's slightly different. There's a lot
of stories about galactic federation of light or people talk about Pleadians or Octorians or
anything that sometimes I think is a little too convenient considering when we look at
let's say a star system or a constellation. Let's say Orion, Okay,
Orion's famous and you have the three star stars in the belt of Orion,
and so people call these beings some beings that come from Orion. The problem
is is that these stars are not all in a flat line. They're far
away from each other. Some are bigger, some are smaller, whatever,
And it's just the illusion that the light plays in our eyes. Yes,
those three belt stars are not in a line, no thoughts. No.
And plus it's out of time, isn't it, am I right? What's
getting towards is is history? Really? Isn't it am I right about?
Yeah? All right, that creaks it? That's okay. Yeah, so
I have a lot of questions about that. I also have questions about the
types of ets people see, especially the Nordics, because there's something I've heard
some stories. You know, there was even Travis Walton's experience, you know,
when they made the movie Fire in the Sky about it the Logger back
in the seventies. Yes, you know, I've met Travis a couple of
times. I'm actually friends with a couple of the guys that are in the
truck with him. Yes, And you know he had experiences with both Grays
and Nordics. Yes, same as me. Yeah, And sometimes I wonder
that the only thing where I get a little suspicious, and I could be
totally wrong, but they're they're very good at implanting screen memories. Well,
they're brilliant. Yes, I absolutely agree with on. So sometimes when you
think you might be dealing with one type of alien for lack of a better
term, or visitor, yes, maybe you're not seeing what they actually look
like. Maybe they're presenting themselves to you in such a way, because what
are you going to be more afraid of a gray with big black eyes or
you know, a tall, very handsome or beautiful human being, and yet
you feel more comfortable with yeah, exactly. To be honest, I don't
feel that comfortable with them, either of them. Actually, I always feel
really unnerved when I have a believe in counter Nordic eties. They are very
similar, though, I would agree with you they don't communicate out loud,
or they did haven't with me, it's always been telepathic, or they haven't
said anything at all, you know. Conversely, they have communicated through dreams.
So yes, I would agree that a lot of the I'm actually trying
to write a second book, and I've started from the premise of what I
believe I know or can work out about them, like a sort of detective
thing, if you will, from my own encounters with both sets of them.
And you know, that is something I've observed that and I postulate that
it could be because the physics is like thousands of years ahead of hours.
I would kind of fear eyes because I've kind of seen them open up a
dimension. On one occasion when I believe in ORed, it came for me
to my own house, actually into my house to take me for whatever reason,
and the dining room ceiling just opened up and I looked up and it
was like I was looking at another dimension almost, you know, I was
looking at a hanger with all these tic tac craft. There were black,
shiny craft lined up on really shiny black walls, shiny black floor, and
it was like they can just open one area up for you to jump from
one place to another instantly. I don't know how to put it other than
that. So I kind of feorized that the physics must be way ahead of
ours, you know, like a teleportation or interdimensional travel. I would say
if they have both, from what I've experienced, I honestly do believe and
I think they I don't know whether you've read Bud Hopkins. What Abud Hopkins?
But was transgen it being sight unseen? Have you I've got that right,
I've not seen I've read that. I've not read his Well, he
kind of fearized that they know so much about physics that they can create pocket
dimensions. So that because of what he was trying to work out was how
people have kind of said, and I'm one of them, actually, that
they've been taken from busy places or had missing time, and they wonder how
they could have been taken from a busy place and no one noticed and they
actually he was saying that he believes they could even freeze time and move you
into a temporary pocket dimension so that no one will have a clue. You
know, no one will realize were that you've even been and gone. If
that makes sense, I don't know whether it does well. That falls online
with one of my friends experiences where he felt like he was gone for several
days and yeah, he literally was just he woke up and it was just
the next morning. Yeah, I think they can shrink time. They've played
with time. They seem to play with time. Yeah, I agree with
that. Doctor who once said the wibbly wobbly timey and wimy stuff. Yeah.
Now, one incident that I heard about, if you can expand on,
you were taken to a strange interview in the nineties in Manchester. Oh
that's right, Yes, Now that was very strange. And before I talk
about that, I would say that that book I was just telling you about,
I actually found that he talked about a similar interview that someone else experienced,
but in America. That was very similar to what I went through in
Manchester. But what happened to me was and again it makes you wonder if
they can plant things in your mind and made me see things that aren't there,
because I swear that I saw a box. This is the days before
the Internet and Google. You know, we're in the early nineties. I
just graduated from university with a bachelor's degree and I wanted to apply for a
PA in sales. It said in this job in Manchester, and it was
in the local paper, or at least I thought it was so. But
the strange thing is I can't even remember ringing up to arrange an interview,
which is what you do, isn't it Logically, Because we did have telephones
then, but I think it might have said something like just turn up on
a certain day, certain time, or you know, because I don't remember
ringing up to say when do I come for this interview whatever. I didn't
send a CV, which again is weird, because I had a CV typed
up ready that had been done for me in the university department. Because of
course it wasn't as easy to you couldn't. There was no email, you
know, there was nothing like that. So you have to remember the technology
hadn't moved on at that point. And I kind of caught a train to
Manchester Piccadilly. I remember getting to Piccadilly, and the weird thing is I
do not remember how I got there, and that in itself is weird,
isn't it. You'd think you'd remember that, even you know, years later,
And all remember is it's like what appeared to be like a white office
block. And I went up some stairs and I went in and what I
thought was an office. But the weird thing was there were just these red
plastic chairs and there was this blonde girl sat behind a desk, and nothing
on a desk, no typewriter, you know, you had the old fashioned
typewriters. Then I think we're just about I got to electronic typewriters at that
point. So there were no typewriters. There was no phone. We only
had dall phones. Remember the cell phones were only just starting to come in
and they were like bricks really, so there was no Darve phone. There
were no notices, nothing on the walls. They were completely bare. And
I thought, this is weird, was the first thing that I thought.
But I just thought, oh, well, maybe they've only just moved in
here, or I just put it down to you know, maybe they've not
been here long or something like that, and sat down and waited. And
the strangest thing was, I said, I was dying to go to the
loop. So I said to her, could I use the toilet? And
she actually got all flustered at that point and she said, I'm sorry,
we don't have a toilet. Now, have you ever been in any office
where they don't have a toilet, I'll be honest. Yeah. So that
was the first weird, weird thing, and I thought, oh, a
lot of stuff to cross my legs, and this this was getting It was
like curious and curiously, to quote Alice in Wonderland, and I just sat
there and then, you know, ver in mind what I told you about
my psychic ability, suddenly this this perfectly normal to me, looking very tall,
though quite broadly built, manner of African extraction. He looked to you
know, I would have said he was from the African continent in ancestry,
not you know, in fact, and he took me into the office.
He had a perfectly normal British accent, as did the girl, although she
was a bit robotic. And the first thing he said to me, which
was weird when I look back on it, was I'm sorry we've trailed you
always well, we haven't got any sales jobs, but would you like to
read my wristwatch? I believe that you're psychometric? And I thought, and
at the time I didn't question it. I said, oh, yes,
yes, I'll read it. And I couldn't get a thing off it,
and he seemed to be pleased about this. But then it was only afterwards
I thought, I on Earth did he know that I was psychometric? I
on Earth did he know? Because I didn't tell him. And another weird
thing that happened was that as soon as I'd done this, it was like
you just wanted to get rid of me, and he said to me,
if you go to the bottom of the steps, will be a taxi waiting
to take you back to Manchester be Kadilly. And I seemed to just blindly
obey this, you know, I didn't question it. I just went.
And the funny thing was the guy in the taxi was blonde as well.
I could only see the back of his head, and he didn't speak.
And I tried to offer him some money when he dropped me a Manchester Piccadilly,
and he just waved me away as if to say, we don't want
your money, you know, which I thought was really, really weird.
I mean, have you ever known a taxi driver if he was fair?
And it was just the strangest thing. It really was. From starting to
finish, and I ended up sitting on the train feeling baffled all the way
back to Darwin Langashre, where I lived at the time, thinking what on
earth was that all about, and just sitting there completely puzzled, going over
it in my head, you know. And of course as soon as I
got out of the place it started to occur to me. The first thing
asked was how did you know I was psychometric. Why did you want me
to read his wristwatch? Why could I not read it? All these things
were going around in my head and it was just the strangest thing. And
when I look back on it now, I just wonder if it was some
kind of enclay that the again the Nordic eats and maybe in Cahootes with some
other people from elsewhere had in the middle of a huge city like Manchester.
You know, do they have enclapes amongst us? Because there are our fears
they walk amongst us? And I believe they do actually, and they were
just testing out my zachic ability or something. I just don't know. It's
possible that the fact that they didn't have a restroom or a loop, it
might mean that a lot of this could be partly of a screen memory yes
before to me, yes, yes, so you weren't actually in an office
building. You you may have been somewhere else completely, whether it's on a
craft or whether it's in a slightly altered dimensional state. Yes, yeah,
definitely. The entire experience just reeks of high strangeness. It does. It
does to me now when I look at it years later. Another thing I
forgot to tell you was the office door was open what it appeared to be
open. And this was another weird thing. I could see these light blue
cars and they were all this exactly the same color. Now how many?
And I thought, what is going on here? And there were these blue
cars and they had handsome blonde handsome blonde men sat in them driving them,
and they were open top cars and they were going past, and I thought,
what's all that about? Ore there? And you know what I'll put
it down to in my head at the time, I thought they must just
be sales reps and they have all company cars that are all the same color.
Just roaded it off in my head. You know, it's it's amazing
what we can do to try to rationalize. Yeah, irrationality. I mean,
it was just that is I mean, what was I really saying in
reality? I just why do they play these strange games as well with reality
and with you You know, that's a great question. What is the purpose
for all of this? Some of it is so outside of our realm of
comprehension, And it's impossible to say, because first of all, they're never
straightforward. They're always very obtuse, or they use misdirection or just flat out
lie. They're not about lying. No, they're not, absolutely not no.
So again there's an agenda. But what I've also found in a lot
of cases like yours, I don't know how you feel about this, but
they are very much And again Whitley Strieber commented on this, mentioned this several
times in his works that they seem to be very much not only interested in
our genetics, but they're interested in our souls and our spirits and absolutely very
much interactive with us on a spiritual level, to the point where, again
I have a friend and I've heard this before through doctor John Max's books and
delvers canons of people who have actually worked with them over lifetimes, many lifetimes.
If you believe in reincarnation, absolutely yes, yeah, yeah, So
I have had recall of well spontaneous recall should I say, of past lives,
and one of them was actually an Atlantis because I know somebody actually said,
you know how beautiful it was, and also in Egypt, significantly considering
that they drew those symbols on the back of my night dress. So,
and I've had people since say to me, other psychics say, you've had
past lives in ancient Egypt, and I feel as if I have You know,
that's very reminiscent. Are you familiar with Edgar Casey, Yes I am,
yes, yeah, the Sleeping Prophet, and he he had mentioned when
he started talking about his past lives, having a past life in Atlantis and
then when Atlantis was destroyed, moved over to Egypt. That's right, Yes,
that's how I felt about it instinctively, before I even read up on
it. I felt that the Atlantic Atlantis culture should I say, had gone
across to Egypt. But the strange thing is that I had recall of being
married to because I saw my husband in this life and in that life he
looked like an RDIC. I'll be frank about that. Never really shared that
before, so that's strange how that's come up. But he looked like an
RDIC, but he was dressed in the garb of a priest, like a
long white garment. And then I woke up from it and thought, what
the heck was that all about. I had this real feeling of tremendous loss.
I felt so sad, and I wondered if it was a kind of
grieving. I don't know how to put it other than that that person,
I don't know for that person. But who is now your husband in this
life? I don't know, whether reason or not, my husband in this
life is a doctor. No, no, But do you understand what I'm
saying When you or maybe I misunderstood you when you said that your husband was
also it sounded like you said it was also your husband in that past life.
I don't know, to be honest, my husband in this life is
blonde and blue eyed. He looks very Nordic. Well you can, yeah,
it looks. Don't matter obviously, no, no, how you feel.
Yeah, he does look as if he well I know he has,
because I've traced his ancestry is descended from Scandinavian people way back in the past,
or from the Vikings. I don't know whether you know British history as
well. I do, yes, yeah, so it's come from the Vikings,
definitely, we know that for a fact. So whether there's a connection
there, because also there are rumors that Egyptians came over to Britain at one
point and left traces of the civilization here. You know, there is a
theory that that's happened. So you wonder, don't you if there's some kind
of connection going on all the same theories here in America. Supposedly a cave
was found in the Grand Canyon which had all Egyptian artifacts in it. We
got about five minutes left in the program. I know you have a lot
of stories to tell them. There's a lot that people should read in the
book. I was wondering if you could just talk about what you know one
of the most recent events that really sticks out to you. I think the
one that really sticks out to me is the sighting that I had a craft
in two thousand and eight. I actually witnessed white lights coming apart and coming
together, and then I went out to investigate. I'm not going to say
too much, but I saw a landed craft on the ground and it was
egg shaped, and it was per Lesson in color, and there were two
very tall and I think there were Nordic beings, but I didn't get close
enough to see the facial features clearly, but they looked like they were waiting
for me. And I drove off in terror, and I wish I hadn't
done that now in retrospect, and I believe as a consequence that was so
panic here. I went onto the six motorway by mistake, and I wasn't
used to going on a motorway at that point, and I believe I was
taken definitely, because I had missing time of an hour at plus. I
was somehow turned back around on the motorway heading back north, and really normally
to turn back south you would have to go all the way to junction forty
three, which I didn't do. I pulled in a service station and somehow
I miraculously got turned around, and I have no idea how that happened,
because there's no pedestrian bridge, there's nothing there. And I told the journalists
that interviewed me recently about all this, and he thought it was really really
weird as well, and agreed with me that something strange must have happened that
night. But the most recent thing I had was doing lockdown when I was
told that I would receive a mess soon, and I thought, is this
going to be a verbal message, a written message? Whatever it is?
You know, as you say, they're very obtuse. And I went very
innocently to pick up some sunglasses that i'd ordered at the opticians and some new
glasses, and I was in Asda the supermarket. I think it's owned by
your Walmart. And I went to the cafe because she said, can you
come back, We're not quite ready for yet. So I went to the
caffege to get a coffee. And this was after I've been teleperfectly told I
would receive a message. And I was study in the queue and this man
to me, it was being really rude, because I'm typically British and quite
reserved. He was looking at me, this blonde man. He looked pretty
ordinary, very tall, very handsome, and I thought, what is wrong
with you? Why are you staring at So I stired ahead and I thought
it must really find me attractive or something, you know. Help that.
I thought, what is he staring at? And he was with these three
other people that were also very tall. There was one lady with them,
and there were two men, and they just ordered some drinks and they were
very brief, and then they took it away. They didn't stay in the
cafe. They just seemed to order takeaway stuff, which you can do.
And my husband was coming and as soon as this guy saw my husband,
he winked at me and I thought, well, you wouldn't get at me.
Go away. I fort going and then they went off. And it
was after that that and at the time, my phone had been right at
the top of my bag, and I swear to you that there was nothing
inky or runny or watery in my bag, because I checked, because that
was the first thing I thought myself. And these symbols appeared on my phone,
on my phone cover in ink. They were drawn in ink on my
phone cover after this encounter in the cafe, and I thought to myself,
what the heck is this? And this was during you know, we were
just starting to come out of lockdown and we and I just thought, what
the heck is this? And I sent these a picture of these There is
one in my book. People can look at them. But I sent it
to my friend. He's called I don't know you've heard of Michel. He
wrote, they are here. He's actually friend, but he lives in Japan,
and he wrote, they are here. And he really has had a
lot of an awful lot of encounters with the Nordics. And he looked at
this and he sent me, have you heard of Georgia Damski? Yes,
I don't know what your thoughts are on him, whether he was, you
know, whatever, your thoughts are on him. He had a sample of
writing that he alleged was given to him by off On. Do you know
the story about that. I'm not so familiar with that story. I'm more
familiar with his sightings Mount Rainier back in forty seven. Yes, yeah,
I actually believe some of that was genuine at first. But he alleged has
given these symbols by Orphon, and the symbols on my phone looked very much
like them, is all I'm going to say. So when I compared my
symbols with this sample he sent me, because he's very into this, I
thought, oh my god, you know, what the heck? And it
just you know, and that's kind of been kind of well, certain people
have mocked it, you know, which they're entitled to do. That's what
they want to do. But I swear that I you know, they kind
of accused me of they've just got on through penny in my bag, But
there were no pens in my bag. There was nothing that could have run.
I tipped all my bag out to look, you know, I literally
went through it with a fine toothcomb, and I swear because it baffled me
completely, you know, it frightened me in fact, and my husband didn't
know what to make of it either, But I've put a photograph of my
phone cover in there. They've since faded off there, and I have no
idea what that meant. And my friend postulated my friend that I sent them
to. He said, maybe they were just saying, we're here. You're
right, we are here, We're here among you, you know. Actually,
yeah, and this is fascinating. Yeah, and the end these occurrences
are still ongoing too, they are. I mean, the latest one I
had was, you know, we said we do the wayn right mountains,
Well we did quite high wayne right recently towards the end of summer. And
we were coming down the mountain. And I've had Nordics appear to me a
few times in the Lake district, but I haven't got time to tell you
all of them. But I'll just tell you this last one. And we
were coming down the mountain and this very tall man was coming up towards me
and my son was following me behind by about ten paces. My youngest son
and I smiled at this man, just nodded at him. He just looked
fitly ordinary. Although I thought your energy is a bit weird and that's all
a fault, and I smiled him. He went on past and we got
to the bottom. I waited for my son to catch up with me,
and I said, did you say that man? Because I thought I wonder
what you made of him? What? Man? One? What are you
talking about? Now? It gets a bit, you know, there was
no man. I've been following you all the time. There was just you
and me, See what I mean? Right? Yeah? Yeah, Like
I said, this this all fascinates me to no end, and I'm looking
forward to reading your book and stories. You know, we're all looking for
answers, and for those of you who are going through these experiences, I
know answers are few and far between, but there's definitely some interesting experiences going
on, and maybe it is there true they're preparing you, training you,
doing whatever for more things to come. So interested to hear more about your
with your upcoming book, now your current book Phantoms in the Night or ets
my lifelong experience of contact with the paranormal. Where can people get a hold
of your book? They can get hold of that Amazon UK or Amazon USA
or on what's called six books, which is a number six, just six
and thh six books, which is John Hunt Publisher's website, their own site
for books. If you put l own McCadam into the Amazon search engine,
and my name is l O W R A I N E and M small
C capital A D A M, so it's just McAdam, not McAdam M
small C capital A D A M, then they will it should bring up
my book if you just put that into the Amazon search engine, or if
you just put the title in you know, which you've stated already. I'm
sure that it will just pull it up, won't it. Yeah, And
I'm going to test. It came up very quickly for me, so people
should be able to find it again. Laurine, thank you so much for
coming on the program. This has been a fascinating discussion, and I think
we've barely scratched the surface. So yeah, maybe after the holidays and going
into the new year, we might have to have you back. Well,
that would be marvelous. I'd love to be back because I'd like to tell
you more about what happened in two thousand and eight, because that was just
mind blowing, you know what I kind of briefly told you about. It
was just that was a screen memory thing. I think as well, you
know, whether it took me, I think off the motor were literally and
put me back down again. There's no other logical explanation. Well, I'm
about to take a trip tomorrow. It's going to take two days driving across
country, and you know, my one friend said, yeah, I definitely
look up and maybe you'll see something and going, Well, if they decide
to take me, do me a favor and deposit me like a few hundred
miles further down the road and shorten my trip for me because I've got two
long days of driving ahead of me. So well, anyway, again,
thank you Loreene for coming on. Thank you for everyone else for tuning into
another edition of the Paranormal UK Radio show, the Flagship Show here on the
Paranormal UK Radio Network. I did hear from Irene and she sends her apologies
for not being able to be on tonight, but she should be back with
me during the next show. So everyone have a couple of weeks, be
good humans and we will talk with you all later. Have a good one.