Welcome back, everyone to a new episode over You're Wrong with Molly Hemingway and
David Harsani. Molly, I think today we should start with the news of
the Donald Trump indictments showed up in court. Was it yesterday Tuesday? I
believe when he did, and there were no cameras, which really really upset
some of these reporters. I don't know if you saw that, because this
is the biggest moment in their lives basically, and they want to see it.
And all they had or court renderings court reporter drawings of the of the
of the indictments being handed out. Yes, no offense to the court drawer,
the artist in the court, but it was not the best I've ever
seen. Yeah, it didn't really look like him. They should just use
the AI thing that people use now to really render it more lifelike. But
those things are never very good though. Remember when we were growing up,
he was what always have them? Yeah, oh my gosh, there were
How can I say this without being bleeped out or having to rerecord this,
But it was an orgasmic situation for much of the press yesterday and it was
the biggest day of their lives. I've never seen such excitement. So I
was in meetings literally all day, like from eight am until seven pm,
and I kind of missed the whole thing until late last night. I was
watching sort of highlights of the coverage, and far and away my favorite thing
is that apparently Trump was arraigned and then he left the courthouse and he went
to this like Cuban restaurant in Miami where the people who were all like his
supporters were cheering him, and it's like it was kind of celebratory, and
it was not the image, the visual image that corporate media wanted to present.
So what they wanted to say was like, okay, sure, I
actually heard someone say this on Sunday, something like okay, so maybe the
previous attempts we've we've made to take this guy down we're kind of not so
well substantiated. But this one is different. Trust us. So they wanted
to create this air that it was like extremely serious, that it was a
dark and foreboding day, and instead you have trumped like out there with the
people who are high fiving and cheering and you know, hugging and kissing,
and he has like I think a speech later that night where hidden his view,
this is about the corruption of the Department of Justice with two different standards
of justice, one for friends of the DJ and one for enemies like him.
And Jake Tapper on CNN. Jake Tapper, who was a major player
in the Russia collusion hoax, the lie that he helped perpetrate, was like,
let's stop watching this imagery of Donald Trump, my sworn enemy, having
a good day, because we don't need to see that. And he tells
the control room. He's like, hey, control room, stop showing it.
And then over on the other lefty network ANDBC, Nicole Wallace was like,
the other left they're all lefty, but anyway, Nicole Wallace was like,
we can stop showing Donald Trump, Like, we don't need to do
that. We don't need to show the news or the reality of what today
is for people outside our echo chamber, so please stop showing it. And
it's just hilarious and funny kind of it is. I mean, we're at
this place where most of these outlets think that it's just news for them to
give their side of the story, which is an activist side of the story,
and not to show the former president who's just been indicted and hear what
he might have to say about it. Don't get me wrong, we may
disagree on this. I think those indictments are bad. Agree with you that
there's two standards of justice, and that is what really makes me angry about
this whole thing. But it's still just an indictment. Right. We haven't
had a trial. We don't know what his side of the story really is.
And I think the people, if you're a true news organization, which
of course CNN is not, you want people to hear what the other side
of the story is. The guy. Literally, the guy had a special
for an hour on CNN how many a few weeks ago, right, and
that did not go well. So now they don't want him on TV at
all. Right, on the topic of what you said about like you think
this is a very serious indictment. I was reading this excellent Matt Taiebe piece
today and it was about this guy. Did you read it on CJ.
Hopkins And I just browsed. I didn't really give it a good read.
And think's an American X pat living in Germany or something like that, and
he is in very deep trouble because he wrote a book. Again, I
think against the German government's COVID response, and on the cover of the book,
he had like a those masks you know that people were wearing very in
the same color. It's like a white mask in the same color, but
you can kind of tell if you look hard, there's a swastika over the
mask. And so the whole book is about how the COVID response by government
was very authoritarian, and the German government is ringing him up on violations of
their hate speech laws and saying that he's in fact glorifying Nazism when that's obviously
not true. And Tylobi said, you know, how are you doing,
Like you have this very serious legal case against you, and he's like,
honestly, it's pretty scary because like, on the one hand, it's a
complete and utter joke, and on the other hand, it's a serious case
against me. And that's kind of how I feel about the Trump situation.
On the one hand, there's the reality that we all know, like anyone
in good faith knows, the very fact that they were even looking into him
is an example of the corruption of our Department of Justice. And Margot Cleveland
has written beautifully on this about the National Archives. Left wing activist who started
this whole thing, how they were in search of a crime, how they
were like using the Presidential Records Act, in their false understanding of it to
find a crime, and then when they didn't find one under that act,
because it's actually very difficult, they're now claiming that Donald Trump is a spy
or Espionage Act violation, but they don't actually have evidence that it's there's a
spy. They don't even have like it's a totally convoluted case, but it's
a very serious case and they very well might put him in prison or worse,
like, they very well might do that. So how do you balance
the reality that this is just further evidence of the corruption of our country with
the other reality that they desire to make a political prisoner of Trump might actually
come to fruition likes? Those are both real things. Yeah, these laws
exist, and they're never or I should say they're selectively prosecuted, which essentially
is the worst kind of abuse of power, where government decides how it's going
to enforce laws and who it's going to target when it enforces laws. So
if Hillary was indicted and in prison right now, I'd be like, Yeah,
Trump's in big trouble, right, But that didn't happen, and it
never happens to them, and that's a huge problem, even if you think
Trump did something wrong. And I just want to point out again, Hillary
Clinton was never president. She never had the rights and authorities granted to US
presidents. So the fact that she got was the recipient of like a specially
invented legal standard just to help her skate, is an even worse situation.
And then you do have former presidents all over the place with similar situations of
holding on to presidential records, whether it's Bill Clinton and the national secrets in
the sock drawer, or Barack Obama whose dispute with the Archives has been going
on for many years, or Joe Biden whose paperwork disputes or you know,
miss Annily of classfied information predate his time as president by decades. And nothing
is done to these people at all, and nothing ever will be done.
I don't know, i'da when people Hillary got off and he didn't. There's
actually a standard where you could say Hillary should not have gotten off. But
I don't think that President Trump violated the presidential like our understanding what presidents can
hold on to perhaps I don't know if he could hold on to this stuff
or not. But the problem for me at least is that Comey invented a
new standard of intention, not gross negligence, which is the clear standard for
I forgot which of the two laws he was using. And then now I
have David French or other leftists saying, oh, that's the new standard we
have to live by. Oh, the new stand it is that we're going
to have to bore into the souls of everyone who has classified documents on their
computers and or in boxes and decide the government, the FBI is going to
decide who gets to do it and who doesn't. That's insanity. Moreover,
having built a server to circumvent oversight is a clear, clear sign that you're
trying to avoid the law and doing something. Smashing your cell phone is a
clear sign that you're circumventing the Justice Department's investigation and inhibits. I mean,
you didn't know how classification worked is a clear lie to your FBI interviewers.
Nobody was held up for lying, and then they say that this Trump associate
said he didn't know something that he did, and so they are prosecuting him
as well. So if Hillary Clinton can say she doesn't she didn't know what
classification meant and get away with it. You do not get to ring up
like a low level staffer who says he didn't know where the boxes. If
Trump believed he was above the law on classified documents, it's because everyone has
been above the law. Who's been president, Everyone who's been in the Obama
administration is above the law. Joe Biden's above the law, So why shouldn't
he think he's above the law. And this has to be this has to
be reconciled for me to get excited about this whole thing. Yeah, I
want most presidents in jail. I want all of them impeached. But you
have to have a standard that we keep for all of them or it's where
the country's going to fall apart. I'm imagining you with your new rule,
like you run for office straight to jail, straight to jail. On President's
Day, I start. I don't think I did it this year. But
I used to have like documents of impeachments for presidents in the past, Like
I would just like I had to lbj Fdr Wilson, you know, I
would just come up with articles of impeachment for all these presidents, they all
deserve it for different sorts of reasons. Very few I think don't. But
anyway, so I also want to just talk about the media reaction this weekend.
There were a few different things. One was that I had to do
a Sunday show, sorry as they had too, because I like to go
to church and do not work on Sundays, but I had to do a
Sunday show. And I was articulating this viewpoint that the larger context of the
Department of Justice having two standards of two standards of justice was really important for
media coverage of this topic. And yesterday I was reading Byron York, who's
an excellent reporter, and he was summarizing a few recent polls, like one
was CBS and one was Reuters, and it showed that like seventy five to
eighty percent plus of Republican primary voters think that this is completely political. And
then they were asked if this would change their view of Donald Trump, and
most people were like, this has not changed my view of Donald Trump at
all. Some people said they just like weren't sure yet, they wanted to
learn more. But of the people who said that their view of Donald Trump
had changed as a result of the indictment twice, as many said it would
make them more likely to vote for him, or like they liked it more,
or something has said that they didn't like him. Now. I mentioned
all this because this view that the vast, vast majority of Republican voters think
that this is like a problem at the DOJ was barely articulated on any Sunday
news show. It was just everyone saying the same thing, basically, like
the one side of the CJ. Hopkins thing, you know, kind of
a joke, but this is also very serious. They were only saying that
this is a serious part and there was no diversity of opinion, and it
was really like a reminder of how limiting the DC consensus is. You'll see
an article in the headline would be like even conservatives say this is serious,
and then you'll look and you know it's going to Charlie Sykes or someone,
you know what I mean, Like it's always going to be someone who's not
a conservative at all. You mentioned David French and I don't read him anymore?
Why would I? But he had they saw like a headline on the
New York Times. Twitter thing that said. I'm David French and I almost
joined a cult a few years ago, and I was like, well,
this explains a lot. Anyway, I haven't read that piece yet, is
it is it? Oh, you haven't read it either, so yeah,
well I'll read it. I'll report back. Yeah, well I don't know.
Again. I like to David French, I consider sort of like a
moderate Democrat at this point compared to most of the others. So I like
to read what the other side is to say. Well, I love reading
what other people have to say, but I like to read smart arguments,
and like there's something so unseemly about reading someone like French. It just makes
you feel better than people like him, you know, and that's like not
healthy for anybody, like, oh, I'm smarter than this person, Like
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we are we done with that? Could you want to talk about Joe?
One other thing I want to say because I was kind of paying attention.
Oh, it was difficult to go on TV on Sunday all right, right
in this environment, and that was before the polls came out showing what average
Republicans thought of the matter. And so I've been kind of paying attention to,
like, who who's willing to say something that will get you not liked
by the establishment people. And I just wanted to note that Morgan Rtegas had
a great point the other night on Special Report, which is that this indictment
of Donald Trump and the political fallout of it reminded her of when Nenyah who
was indicted and everybody said, like, that's the end of him, and
then he ended up winning winning off. That's a great point actually that you
bring that up. In Israel, the courts are incredibly politicized. Their Justice
department is incredibly politicized, and pms and stuff are always getting indigenc It happens
all the time. The courts are always weaponized for political purpose. There was
there's a trial going on where you have the prime minister and the former prime
minister as witnesses for each side. It is incredibly unhealthy. Israel is an
incredibly you know, and I am a Zionist, but Israel has an incredibly
unhealthy political system because of it. The courts are ridiculous, and that's what's
going to happen here. I mean, that's where we're headed. If Republicans
actually, when they get power back, if they ever do you know,
do the same thing. You'll see left wingers crying about it. But I'll
quickly want to say about the polls. You know what engenders this kind of
like reactionary thing. It's it is the double standard. Again. If you
didn't have the double standard, people would be much more keen to listen to
what you have to say about Donald Trump. But they don't because they went
through the you know, they've been through the rush collusion stuff and just on
the double standards. Perfect segue is the FBI is not reluctance but just ignoring
subpoenas. It's it's ignoring subpoenas and not releasing unclassified documents to Congress. Right,
we had this document that says that a what would you call him,
a Ukrainian business associative hunter said that Joe Biden had been bribed with five million
dollars in a complex scheme that would be difficult to like figure out. But
yeah, he said it would take ten years to figure it out, which
is a weird, weird thing to say. But anyway, again, I'm
I'm slightly skeptical about this because bribery can mean different things. He might be
bribery to one person, might just be you know, paying the family,
which is bad enough, but it's not exactly bribery. But whatever it is,
And now we learn because obviously someone, someone in the Senate has and
knows what's in this document. Every time the FBI lies and redacts something,
they know exactly what it is that they are recording. So I forgot,
I forgot what the number of recordings was seventeen recordings, possibly two of them.
They say, with Joe Biden, any other Republican president, maybe any
other president, this would be a massive, massive story. Right, There's
recording supposedly of the president or then vice president of the United States accepting bribes
from a foreign national. And yet I'm not even sure anyone really covered this
in any major mainstream establishment media organization. You did you see any of those
stories? Very very limited. So one thing that has been interesting is that
the early pieces from the propaganda outlet the Washington Post have been about trying to
downplay the significance of what's going on. There really are two scandal or potential
scandals going on here. The first is the allegation from a very credible whistleblower
that Biden was a participant in a five million dollar bribery scheme, that it
was run through the type of shell companies that have been exposed by some limited
oversight in journalistic reporting, and that there are seventeen audio tapes that the briber
kept as protection in case things got out of hand. That's a that's a
that's a huge story. By comparison, you might remember that the Russia collusion
hoax was built around, you know, Jake Tapper fueled claims that Russia had
compromat on Donald Trump. And you know, sort of by comparison, how
that got going is that a Democrat operative supposedly talked to hotel staff in Russia,
who denied this, of course, but then he fed that to a
literal suspected Russian spy who was on the payroll of another former British spy,
who was on the payroll of a group that had been paid to come up
with a conspiracy theory involving Donald Trump that was financed and thought of by Hillary
Clinton's campaign and the Democratic National Committee. So there's what we went wild with
for four years, even though there's like twenty steps in that process of reasons
to be skeptical. Right here, you have a unrelated matter, years before
the first Trump impeachment, a credible whistleblower saying that he had spoken to someone
involved in this bribery scheme, that there were seventeen tapes of evidence. Well,
the fact of the seventeen tapes, I think came out in the second
interview of the credible, confidential human source, and that just by comparison,
I'm just saying this is like a much more credible allegation to run down.
Okay, so there's the one scandal of the Biden family. The other scandal
is that when the FBI learned about this, you know, it looks like
the US attorney out of the Western District of Pennsylvania did investigate it enough to
realize that it was very serious and needed further investigation. He sent it along
to the US attorney in Delaware who was supposed to be looking into crimes by
the Biden family. And it died. And we don't know exactly why it
died. We know a little bit about it. We know that the FBI
headquarters that there were individuals who conspired to claim falsely without any evidence or substantiation,
that it was disinformation and then hid that news of the confidential human sources
like major tip behind a wall that nobody could get behind. So that's part
of the FBI scandal. The other part is that when a whistleblower brought this
to congressional oversight attention and congressional overseas asked to see the document, the FBI
denied or like sort of pretended like they didn't know what they were talking about.
And then when Chuck Grassley. I love the way he did it.
He was like, Ray, I've seen the document. Stop pretending you don't
know it exists. So once he realizes, oh, wow, darn it.
Their whistleblower must be you know on the inside, I guess, and
have shown them a copy of this document, then he agrees to let you
know, the top two people in the House side see it. The Democrat
works with the FBI on this like disinformation campaign basically to say, yes,
there was this claim, but we determined that it wasn't anything worth looking into.
And the Washington Post runs with that, and Jamie Raskin runs with that,
and Grassy comes out again and he's like, stop leaking to the press
your lies. We want more, and we also, by the way,
have more that we're going to be asking you for, so start giving more
access of this document to the American people. So at that point Ray says,
well, we'll let Congress look at it, which keeps him from getting
held in contempt of Congress. But he redacts everything in the document before he'll
show it to them, and Grassly, because he's already seen it, says,
yeah, by the way, you redacted the part about the seventeen phone
calls with the Biden family. Stop your games, be transparent. This isn't
even a classified document. You're leaking classified documents to the New York Times like
you did on May eighteenth, which I'm still trying to figure out exactly what
that was about. I mean, it's like major explosive news, and to
your point, nobody's covering it because our corporate media are all propagandists. It's
amazing that the FBI was caught redacting something from an unclassified document that is perhaps
the most explosive, as you say, I would say, charged with the
most explosive piece of potential evidence that exists in this case. And it's just
not even that big of a deal, you know, I did. I've
done a lot of thinking about I've gone back and thought about what happened during
the time where Biden was vice president. And I'm not the first talk about
this, obviously, but you'll remember in two thousand and eighteen, he was
like at the Brookings Institution or something like that, bragging about how he had
threatened the then president Orshenko or whatever his name was, pulling usaid if he
didn't fire this prosecutor and forever we were told that, yes, it's not
a big deal because this prosecutor though he was investigating the company. That Hunter
was right, it's not a big deal. But really we should ask,
and by the way he called, we found out later that he didn't.
Just you know, he gave that. He gives us fantastical story about how
he had said, I'm going to give you six hours and if you get
it done, you know you're losing your money. But actually he had called
him for weeks, pressuring him on this one thing, firing this prosecutor.
Their international community had come up with a bunch of different reforms for Ukraine,
but this was the one part of it that he was very keen and aggressive
on, which is pretty suspicious to me. But in an event so much
it as someone at the White House, if the president the vice president of
the United States knew that their family was making money, is it a conflict
of interest to have that prosecutor fired somewhere because we know that that's probably what
happened, and that alone, to me, is an impeachable offense. Right
it doesn't even have to be bribery helping a family member using the taxpayer dollars
that are supposed to be sent to this bulwark of democracy, that is,
and saying like, in addition to totally fulfilling all that my son wanted as
in response for being paid by this Ukrainian energy concern, it's also good policy.
Is not going to cut it, like even if you even if you
think it's good policy, which a lot of people don't think that the firing
of that prosecutor was good. And we also know that one of one of
the people at that company sent an email to Hunter saying thanks for letting me
meet with your dad, or thanks for setting up this meeting with your dad,
Like wouldn't you think that if this was any other president that the press
would be like, we got to find out if this meeting happened. This
is crazy. There's recording supposedly of him taking a bribe from this person in
this company. Oh maybe you know whatever, it's I think one of the
thing is interesting, as the media run interference to protect their their party and
the Biden regime, they just keep saying like, well, there's no there's
no evidence, like, there's no evidence of the bribe other than the claim
from the very reliable whistle blower or was very reliable, confidential, human source.
Sorry if I misspoke on that earlier, who had spoken directly with the
person who was allegedly the briber. I would like anyone in the media who
has the opportunity to ask a Biden official a question to say, I think
you could solve all of this extremely quickly and extremely easily. Mister president,
can you explain to us why every member of your family, except for the
grandchild that you refuse to acknowledge exists, has bank accounts set up in their
name to receive money from foreign oligarchs and energy concerns, Like could you just
explain to us what are they being paid for? And I'm sure it's nothing
corrupt, So could you just tell us what that is? And then we
will stop asking questions, not that anyone's asking questions, No one's asking questions,
but then we'll stop being like thinking it looks shady, because of course,
there's a good explanation for why every member of the Biden family gets money
from Chinese and Ukrainian and Romanian and Russian oligarcs, like, of course there's
a good reason. What is it? What are they getting paid for?
You know, when they ask used to ask Trump questions like did you,
sir, you know, glued with houten to do this or that? But
with buying, they're like there's this crazy thing out there that people are saying,
you know, this wacky conspiracy theory. And then you know, then
he says, where's the money? L L you know, like, where's
all the money? I don't know. That's that's a good question. This
should be like a Gary Hart was a Gary Hart, you know where he's
like catch me, and they caught him. If I weren't cheating on my
wife, it should be easy to find rut row Um, did you ever
meet Where's the money? The guy became a millionaire while serving in public office?
Like used not like there's no money around. He used to pay,
like I'm not even joking. He used to pay and listen to his book
money blah blah blah. But he used to pay like twelve thousand dollars a
month to rent a place down in McLean or wherever. You know, he's
pretending to be on a train back to his small digs in Delaware, but
yet well actually doesn't have a six million dollars or like beach home there as
well. It's I don't know the lack of cure. I don't quick thing
on this that is somehow related. Yes, last week I saw on during
the week on Twitter a bunch of award shows and award dinners for journalists like
Ben Collins of NBC won the Walter Crunkite Award for Journalism, and it hit
me. And there was another one, and it hit me that I can't
wait for these people to be destroyed. The media just has to be destroyed.
I don't know if it's going to happen. Maybe it'll be like a
niche thing for the left or whatever, but it needs to be destroyed because
it is has gone from useless to really dangerous. I don't want to repeat
Trump's phrase, but about the media, but it is fake news is no
I was gonna say the enemy of the people, but it's fake news is
the enemy of the people. And I would agree to fake news is the
enemy of the people. One of the things I always thought was funny about
that is when he said fake news is the enemy of the people, a
bunch of people said, why are you attacking me? And I'm thinking,
why are you admitting to being fake news? Like if you're not fake news?
There's no attack on you if you are fake news. Yes, he
is being pretty pretty extremely angry at you. The victimhood of the press reminds
me a little bit of the of the sort of victimhood we see with pride
stuff. So the President of the United States put flags up the other day
for one of these pride events on the same level as the as the US
flag, which is supposed to represent all of us, and he puts it
up there. And if you say something about that, you are the aggressor
in the culture war. They are not the aggressor in the culture war putting
up giant flags that that many upset many people in this country, a large
either a majority of people or a large minority of people. But you are
And that that whole event the other day really annoyed me, pretty grouchy about
it and writing a column. But what annoyed me more than all is his
little speech about how all our children are actually where all children, actually all
of our children that you are children are actually like his children, not all
the children, not the grandchild he pretends he doesn't know exists, but every
other child in America is all of our children. That is a completely totalitarian
idea intotalitarian society's children become all our children, and this is why they socialized
education. They you know, they push this pre case stuff because they want
those children earlier, and then they send them off to colleges that have been
taken over by radicals and idio lugs and public schools I think at least are
maybe the core and biggest problem we face in this country. So for its
culture war stuff goes. That's where all the indoctrination happens. That's where kids
are taken away from their parents and they learn many of their bad ideas.
I'm not saying every public school is terrible or every public school is run by
leftists, but too many are, and you know, and maybe a majority
of them are. How do you feel about that, Molly, I'm so
sorry, but I'm still stuck on the issue that President Biden and his wife
Joe Biden do not acknowledge their grandchild. So beyond politics, for me,
that this is inappropriate and I want every I want like the nation to run
an intervention on the Biden family and just get them to stop being so horrible
to this poor innocent grandchild who did nothing to deserve abandonment. From her father's
family. I ask you a question about that. Has a court ruled on
the paternity of this child and stuff like that, Like is that all squared
away or do they not speak out for legal reasons. No, he's definitely
the father, but they're now in dispute over I think money issues of some
kind, but I don't. I actually don't try to get involved in family
drama too much. But this, to me is really awful. And I
understand that Hunter Biden is, in addition to being the recipient of a lot
of foreign oligarch's money, you know, a very serious drug addict whose life
is a mess. I get that, but we all have family members whose
lives or messes, and that does not excuse mistreatment of an innocent child.
And I through my in laws, I have heard of this story of like
a close family member who was born in not ideals situation and there was a
lot of like drama about it, and then sort of like the family patriarch
stepped in and said we will love this child, like this is what we're
going to do. And people experience this all over the country and they respond
far far better. I watched this duck dynasty thing. I didn't watch Duck
Dynasty when it was on a TV show, but they have like a podcast
now, and they had a situation where, you know, I think they're
like four boys and in the middle of those boys is a daughter that they
didn't know about, born to you know, born somewhere else. And it
was while the patriarch of the family was an addict. And the way that
he and his wife, who he's been married to for the whole time,
dealt with this news, and the way the siblings dealt with the news,
it was a beautiful story of love and forgiveness and redemption and just like the
beauty that can come from recognizing like again, it's not this little girl,
well now she's like in her forties. It's not this woman's fault that her
father was having an affair with her mother, you know. And that's what
I want to see in our leaders, whether they're celebrities or politicians or you
know, models good behavior for other people so that when they're dealing with bad
street Also, I just can't believe, like we spend all this time talking
about Donald Trump not being morally good person, and I'm right there with you,
Like the man has not lived his life in a way that would leave
him protected. When you claims of adultery come about, for instance, abandoning
a child is a like nobody should support that. And where is the aforementioned
pastor of the world, David French near cult member, where is he on
this? Like, why isn't this his obsession? Like he likes to tell
people that they're not as good of Christians as he is. Maybe he should
like take some of it. I don't know. I would. I would
never bring stuff like this up. But the problem is this, Honestly,
I would vote for a psychopath if that did what I wanted in government.
I mean, I've written about this. I have no problem. If you're
going to like make us a freer place, in a better and more prosperous
and moral place and virtuous place, I'll vote for you if you're a psychopath.
But the thing is, if you're going to bring up my children and
everyone's children and your little authoritarian or big authoritarian ideas about how they should be
raised, then I'm going to take umbrage with what you're doing moral or yourself.
Like if you didn't get involved in other people's children, I wouldn't care,
right, And if you're going to if everyone's going to hold you up
a kind of moral answer to Donald Trump, which is what people did.
When what's that guy's name? He writes the features used to work at NR.
Who writes the features in at The Atlantic? Um, I forget his
name. He just wrote the crystallick feature. Whatever it is, Tim,
He wrote these, you know, odes to the morality and the decency of
Joe Biden. Well, he's not a decent person at all. Anyone who
believes that you should be able to you know, who changes his opinion on
everything, but especially things like abortion in the way that Biden has done is
not a decent person anyway. But also his personal life is not decent and
the things he does is not decent. So then if that's the discussion,
then I'm forced to have that discussion, then we're gonna bring it up,
right, Yes, Otherwise I wouldn't care about Hunter. I mean I really
wouldn't. Yes, I actually don't care about Hunter that much, except I'm
curious about his involvement as sort of like the money man for the Biden family,
which clearly he you know, he talks about this that a lot was
expected of him to be doing the already work on behalf of the family,
and I think that was probably you know, I also think that's like an
evil thing to do to your kid, is to make them be out there
collecting the money for the business that I still don't really understand what they're providing
in response to the money. But number one, remember when Trump brought up
Hunter and what of the debates and Biden's like Bo's died in Iraq, you
know, like he's just he's incoherent on this stuff and I don't know much
about it. I'm sure he's a fine person. And I don't blame parents
sometimes for what their kids do. It's their kid's own fault. But if
if you're part of their business when they're doing these bad things, and it's
worthwhile bringing up what your son is about. Sorry the interrupt, but yes,
it is also true. Even though I'm like all upset about this poor
little girl who did nothing wrong, the larger issue of how the left is
trying to take ownership of my children is it's pretty terrifying, and it's evidence
that this is what they've been doing, like their march through every institution,
in their policies, they really are They really don't like the idea that your
children are yours and not theirs. I mean, you saw this in the
education fights in recent years, with union heads saying basically they thought they could
usurp parental authority in all sorts of ways. Yeah, I mean pr in
his review of Hillary Clinton's it takes a village road. It takes a village
to raise kids in this country. In that village is Washington. So obviously
that's what they still believe. They believe that a big, centralized bureaucracy should
be raising your kids. And this has always been the leftist idea because they
want uniformity, not diversity. What they're doing right now is the opposite of
diversity. First of all, people, they want your kids to identify through
immutable characteristics, their sexuality, their gender, or what their you know,
what they think their gender is that rather than achievements in deeds. This is
completely an American It's trying to destroy meritocracy. Am I just going on like
a crazy person today? Also say, like all of these comments came at
a first off on the flag. Two things on the flag. One,
I don't think any flag other than the American flag should be flown from the
White House. Or government buildings. And I mean by that, let's say
it's like a special Marine corpdate. I don't think the Marine Corps flag should
be flown in the same way that they were flying the American flag. I
think it's divisive. And that's like obviously not like anyone has a exist to
represent everything, institutions, people, everything in that country. You don't need
any other flags like that. The second thing I want to say is that
as much as I have grown well, I'm going to really like not like
the Pride flag because of It's like I love the rainbow, and I grew
up in this, you know, some of these and eighties where like we
all were rainbow gear all the time because we were in California and it was
like surfer gear, you know. And I love the rainbow. And I'm
a Christian, so I love the rainbow. And every time I see a
rainbow, it's a reminder of God's promise that he would never destroy the earth
again by flooding, and you know all this stuff. I love rainbows,
but I hate the political activism behind the Pride flag. But having said that,
the Progressive Pride flag is literally the ugliest thing I've ever seen. It's
ugly as sin. It's just visually like it's like a cry for help,
like, hey, people, we hate ourselves and we're trying to get help
here, and we're gonna like make a flag. That's the ugliest flag you've
ever seen, a sort of a loud, overt symbol that we're desperate for
help and you should stop enabling us. And that's the flag they flew from
the White House. I mean, sometimes people should take a step back and
think about this. There's a flag that just represents a bunch of different sexual
iterations of sexuality and of gender dysphoria, and then they go under it and
wave it around like it means anything important or good about people. If you
just thought about that for a second, you would be like, this is
insanity. And we have little kids in elementary school running around like a bunch
of brainless culture revolution warriors waving it around in schools. We're not there's no
diversity in that. It's just idiocy. And let me tell you this,
and people will get mad when I say this in my real life, but
I think the most progressive today are far more comfortable into a rainbow flag than
they are under the United States flag, and that is really speaks that's something
terrible that's going on in this country right now. I just you know,
they really believe in those things. Yeah, that's the only thing I would
say, sort of quote in favor of what the White House did. I
think there was truth in advertising. I do think they would like to destroy
the American flag, that they think it represents everything they hate and that they
would like to be flying underneath. They're not just political flag, but it's
really a religious flag of progressive pride. The you know, which I should
have made clear. It's not just the rainbows. It's like the weird triangles
and dots and you know, jots and tittles like on the flag to represent
more and more like it will continue to be modified, I'm sure. But
there's an honesty about Biden saying this is the flag that rules me. I
would love for someone to ask him, do you know can you name what
LGBTQI plus stands for? It can name me all the acronym like, name
me all the different words and what they stand for. There's no way he
knows. I'll beat you up. I'm as smart as man. Ever,
it's just insanity and I'm not like I think that we need to make I
don't like, I don't want people to feel like they need to be in
fear of something. I want people to live their lives the way they want
in this country, as long as they don't interfere in other people's lives.
I'm very little return about that stuff. That doesn't mean I think it's okay
what people do. I still can there's a judgmentalism in me about morality and
all that, but it's just it just has gotten insane that we have.
And I don't like the Rainbow flag, even with that that stupid brown thing
that they just put in it. And do you notice how fast this grows
and is normalized, Like literally they put a new line in that you don't
even know what it is. But if you don't accept it, you're the
worst person who ever lived. Like this can happen like in a week's time.
So also Biden held this rally at the White House where they were under
the Progressive Pride flag, and he told everybody there, and keep in mind
he'd been at Fort Bragg the day before, which has been renamed Fort Liberty,
and he's like, I have never seen anything approaching this much courage as
I see before me right now, And he had literally been at a military
installation the day before, and I just find that interesting. But also,
did you see the picture of the woman who had cut off her breasts and
had a beard and the man who had plastic surgery to add breasts were going
topless in front of the White House? And the picture went viral and they
were sort of like, we've made it. We're topless showing our body mutilation
in all its glory or horror in front of the White House, and that
illiterate, incompetent press secretary I forget her name came out and she was like,
so, actually, we're like, we're good with everything up to that
point. We're not ready for the nudity yet. So but if you are,
your whole identity is wrapped, not wrapped up, your whole identity is
sexuality and sex and gender. Then why would that even be a weird thing
to happen in an event like this. It's a perfectly expected thing to happen
at an event like this, isn't it. I mean, I'm sorry,
I've been I've seen pride parades in New York and elsewhere, and there's a
lot everything is motivated and driven or most of it by sexualities. You remember
the Onion headline local gay rights parade sets movement back twenty years. Yeah,
but yeah, like there was a point, like the whole point of it
was supposed to be putting on display, the like raw sexual basis of the
identity, not what you would want at the White House. Or you don't
have to go to the Pride parade, right, but now the White House
impels you to celebrate these things as a nation. You were saying you don't
care what people do. I think that's the wrong way to put it.
I think that if there's a parade where they are subjecting young children to horrible
sites, I actually think all those people should be jailed. And I'm not
even joking, Like I think if you can't protect children, set up again.
No, I realized I might be more extreme, but um, I
just like we were talking about parental control versus government control, and I very
firmly believe that. But I also think, like if you're forcing your kids
to do something gross sexually, or if you're physically abusing them, or if
you're malnourishing them, I do think there's a you know, obviously a line
at which that's you know, of course you've lost your parental rights space.
Of course. I just mean when I'm speaking about adults, adults should be
able to live their lives. I don't want anyone to stop from doing things
that don't hurt other people in a very obvious and real way. It doesn't
go for children. And when they're all are children, When you abuse children,
when you parts off of children or her children in ways over you know,
with using the patina of science and stuff like that, that's that's a
problem, right. I agree, Um, you know, I just then
they're all our children. We have to protect children from this sort of stuff.
But bind doesn't. You're telling me the person who thinks it's okay to
abort to have sex selective abortion into the ninth month cares about children. I'm
sorry, I don't believe that that's true anyway. Sometimes again, I feel
look and being you know, it's always a fight not to be radicalized,
and I feel like I'm like, David, check yourself, like, stop
calling this a totalitarian state. But I've said this before, and I think
you have said it too. People think totalitarian and totalitarianism means the lack of
being able to practice politics. But no, it means having politics in all
your life, your commerce, your family, sex, TV, everything,
And doesn't America feel like that, like in schools and your your you know
everything. I mean, the Communist thought that the parents were too dumb to
raise children in the right way and they would take children away. And somehow
I feel like that's the same instincts that's going on here. And I don't
want to sound like I'm some kind of conspiracy theorist, but how else am
I supposed to see this sort of thing? How as our parents supposed to
see this thing? Bind says we must protect everyone, but he does,
and he goes after Christian families all the time. He only protects certain people.
I don't know. I'm really riled up today a little bit. Someone
was saying something about how like, and I resent your calmness, and I'm
riled up. I wanted you cool. I wanted you to match my riled
upness. So someone on Twitter was like, Hey, are you guys taping
your podcast today because I need it? And I was like, well,
is there anything you want to talk about? And one of the things he
was saying was that he would like some glimmer of hope because it seems like
everything is so so bad, and I agree that everything is very bad.
I am hopeful. I mean, ultimately, I'm hopeful because I'm Christian,
and I know you know that Jesus died on the cross to save us from
our sins, that we what's how opening in earthly tumult is not the be
all end all. But I'm also hopeful because we actually have a lot going
for us in this country. Like when you look at other countries that fell
to totalitarian systems, they actually had a much smaller percentage of the country resisting.
We have a pretty large percentage resisting, and we're still having that large
percentage win elections big time. And you can get in despair when you look
at like the twenty twenty election, where you know, Joe Biden received the
most votes of any human in American history, and it looks like, wow,
we can't even you know, and even though seemingly he didn't campaign and
he didn't have any support, and Donald Trump seemed to have a tremendous amount
of support, and he was like one of the only presidents in American history
to not just gain votes but like gain a ton of votes and not win
reelection. It's all, you know, it's very discouraging. But if you
look at it another way, the election came down to forty thousand votes across
three states, like that election, and that's not like an insurmountable thing for
Republicans to get together and figure out. Like they don't have to be as
good at ballot harvesting or ballot trafficking as the left is. But could they
get like ten thousand votes here or there by doing some of the same games.
Of course they could, And there are a lot of smart people who
care about the country. Some of our institutions have recently become much better.
Like I was just thinking about it with the Heritage Foundation's fiftieth anniversary. They
kind of started off really strong, and then there was like some things that
were great and some things that weren't. But like kind of I think some
people felt that there was this period where they weren't really in the battle the
way they wanted them to be. They've seemed to be back in the battle
in a way that's very helpful. I don't know, it just seems like
there are tens of millions of people willing to fight, and there are a
lot of wise leaders and some people are learning lessons, and it's no time.
It's certainly no time to despair, like we would have to fall into
a much worse situation before despair. But that is also true that we have
to fight. Yeah, I don't. I don't think we're going to fall
into a totalitarian state. I hope people don't think that. That's what I'm
saying. I do think actually, in many ways our lives are better than
ever, but on the political front, it is getting worse than ever.
So it's this weird paradox I think, where you have people who benefiting from
the great ideas and institutions of American life rejecting them. And the reason I
am less I guess I'm less positive about Republicans learning how to do things is
that too many Republicans, in my mind, have gone to the dark side
on how the states should act and how the states should govern our lives and
manage our lives. So that is troubling to me as well. I'm basically
talking about national conservative type. So if they win, then it's maybe better
in many ways than it is when Democrats and progressives win, but it's also
heading in a bad direction from my perspective at least. But yeah, no,
I don't think. I think that we are ungovernable in many ways.
And that's I say that as in a positive way. You can't. Some
guy in Montana with an arsenal in his house is not a governorable person.
He's just there right, Hell, maybe he'll pay his taxes or whatever.
And there are a lot of people in this country who aren't going to go
along with this sort of thing. And that's why, of course, I
think the Second Amendment's so important. I'm not saying this is gonna be a
revolution tomorrow or anything, but I'm just saying we have rights still that don't
allow that sort of thing. So yeah, I don't think people should be
distraught in the way they are. We get so, we got a lot
of mail. We've already taped these episodes that we're going to run the next
few weeks on AMAS or whatever. But a lot of people were like,
what can we do. It's coming to an end, it's over. Listen,
my grandparents grew up in Europe and World War Two. We are not
close to anything being over. We are going to be okay, but it
is not you know, it is a situation and I think we need to
take seriously be balanced about it. We're not over. But also a lot
of work needs to be done and now is the time to really do that
work. And I hate Nazi Germany comparisons that I'm not really making a comparison.
I'm always saying that the Germans were educated, very educated people, and
they were not poor people in the big world sense when they fell to totalitarian
ideas. So my point only is that you can also things can be going
well, and you can let stupid people and evil people lead you in a
wrong direction. And I just I think Americans are less lockstep than people in
Europe, for instance, or whatever, and that won't happen help like will
it? Probably not? So if you watched any good movies or anything.
Recently, I watched a show called poker Face on a Peacock network with Natasha
Leon. Is that how you say her name? I'm not sure that so
it is. I think it's Ryan Johnson who did like what was that movie?
It's done? A Star Wars movie and stuff like that, I think,
And it is kind of a takeoff. I would say it's episodic,
like there's a murderer and they solve it. And there are characters in each
episode so far as I've watched, so it's not one of these legacy kind
of things that happened where you know, it's a big story like you know,
Sopranos or Yellowstone or whatever. It's not like a soap opera. It's
just her, this woman who is based in my book, I think based
on Colombo show that I love, where she's really can tell people are lying
and she notices a lot. She's I don't know, I wouldn't say autistic.
I'm not exactly sure, but she's really smart about certain things, and
it's it's pretty funny and it seems okay. I know that critics like it
a lot. I thought it was okay. I am going to this week
see the new Spider Man movies since everyone has very nice things to say about
it, and I love the first one in that series, the Multiverse one,
and then but other than that, I don't think I've really watched anything.
If there's a good review, could you write that up, Spider Man.
Yeah, A lot of people have been asking I haven't really watched anything.
I do want to say, I like Natasha Leone and I liked her
in Russian Dahl Did you see that? I did not watch that. Now
it's been around. She was in like everyone says, I love you.
That Woody Allen movie that was a musical. I don't know if you remember
it from the nineties. It was very good, funny Woody Allen movie.
If people are still allowed to watch him, I'm not sure if it's streaming
or not. Yeah, and I just yeah, I like Natasha Leone,
Okay, um. I haven't really watched anything, I don't think, except
that we finished up The Marvelous Missus Maisiel. What do you think I gave
up on that show like two seasons and you know why. It wasn't funny
enough in a sense, like the comedy I actually, when I was a
kid went to the Catskills occasionally and saw like Checky Green and these like famous
cat Skill comics occasionally, and they made me laugh so much, even as
a kid. And when I watched the show, I'm like, these people
are just aren't that funny? That makes sense? Right? Yeah it does.
And let me just say I completely agree, And that was like always
a problem for me. On the other hand, I think it's hard to
write a show where it would be like genuine stand up because that's kind of
an art form to get connected to an audience, and it's something that you
like fine tune over a long period of time, and you know, the
even like the difference between going to a live show and then watching like an
HBO special of a comic is very very different. So I sort of forgave
it that. But mostly I find it interesting that I didn't like it as
much as my husband did. It doesn't seem like a show that my husband
would love, but he really did like it, and I think he really
thought the writing on it was good, and I agree, And there are
it's like the best, you know, the main character is great, but
the supporting actors and actresses are very good. Right, maybe I'll give it,
Maybe I'll give it a chance. I'm not even telling you too,
you know. And we're just kind of getting crazy busy for this. We're
doing a cruise with Hillsdale where I teach a little bit, and we're doing
a cruise in the Mediterranean, and we are very excited for this. Can
you tell us what country is you're visiting? We will start in its public
information, so I'm happy to tell we're starting in Istanbul, and then we'll
be at Ephesis, which I've heard from a lot of people. Ephesis is
like the best part of the whole journey, and it's even better than Athens.
And then we'll be in Cyprus and Greece, and then we'll be in
Israel for three days and then more Grease, and then we'll stop in Athens.
No, nice little ancient visit all the ancient sites. So Victor Davis
Hansen is going on this as well, and Sparta. Yeah, I think
my husband is mostly excited about that, Like there's he's just really thrilled that
will be in the place of the antiquities with the world's foremost scholar. Yeah,
he's a classic. So I think I read his book called A Spartan
Way of War, which I loved, but I know he's probably written more
on the topic obviously. That's exciting. Wow, that's great. I'm really
excited. I'm also really excited to be away from phone calls and TV hits
and podcasts and podcasts. No, I actually love doing our podcast, but
I'm excited to like I'll be working the whole time i'm there. But it
won't be the same. It won't be all the TV and phone calls and
stuff because I will not access to those things just for listeners. So the
next two weeks, I believe right, we will have full episodes of just
you know. It turned out that very little I would say, very little
political stuff though some mostly just personal, very personal. At some points I
have to say off about our lives, especially you know, and uh real,
we get real insight into what propels Molly and her career, what motivates
her, and we get even insights from David. So it's good. And
then we'll be like a day late on the third, the third, like
three weeks from now, we'll be a day late. I think, okay,
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