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Ryan Callahan is making his way south with head 10 00:00:44.240 --> 00:00:48.840 coaching in person interviews with three teams. Let's talk about that and why the 11 00:00:48.840 --> 00:00:53.479 Bengals might be able to keep Dann Pitcher. You are Locked On Bengals, 12 00:00:54.200 --> 00:01:00.560 your daily Cincinnati Bengals podcast, part of the Locked On podcast Network team every 13 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:22.000 day one of Bengals fans and welcome to another episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast. 14 00:01:22.040 --> 00:01:23.439 I'm your host, Jake. Let's go. He's your host, James 15 00:01:23.599 --> 00:01:27.040 Arpine. We're part of the Lockdown Podcast Network. Here on Lockdown Bengals we'll 16 00:01:27.079 --> 00:01:32.000 be covering your team every day through this off season, and right now, 17 00:01:32.079 --> 00:01:37.560 that means we're getting through the coaching carousel and the NFL and the Bengals have 18 00:01:37.680 --> 00:01:42.519 coaches heavily involved, as we've discussed as recently as late last week. And 19 00:01:42.519 --> 00:01:46.920 we're going to continue today with some news about Brian Callahan's upcoming interviews. Today's 20 00:01:46.920 --> 00:01:49.079 episode brought to you by a FanDuel make every moment more right now you can 21 00:01:49.120 --> 00:01:53.400 get one hundred and fifty dollars in bonus best guaranteed with the five dollar bet 22 00:01:53.400 --> 00:01:59.480 at FanDuel dot com. Slash Lockdown and James. We have reporting on the 23 00:01:59.519 --> 00:02:05.359 timing of Brian Callahan's three in person interviews as of Monday, going to Tennessee, 24 00:02:05.519 --> 00:02:10.159 going to Carolina, going to Atlanta for a string of a very busy 25 00:02:10.400 --> 00:02:16.800 three day in person interviews stretch for him, feels like he's as good as 26 00:02:16.840 --> 00:02:20.759 gone. My friend, I think Brian Callahan is going to get a head 27 00:02:20.800 --> 00:02:24.680 coaching job, and it makes sense in a lot of ways. We've said 28 00:02:24.680 --> 00:02:28.360 it multiple times. It's a matter of when, not if. When it 29 00:02:28.360 --> 00:02:31.520 comes to the Bengals offensive coordinator. It is interesting and these three jobs are 30 00:02:31.560 --> 00:02:37.639 interesting because none of them are awesome jobs at the moment, I don't know 31 00:02:37.680 --> 00:02:40.719 how you feel about them. I think there are a lot of people that 32 00:02:40.719 --> 00:02:44.360 are going to look at that Carolina job and say there's no way he should 33 00:02:44.400 --> 00:02:50.879 go there. I also think given Brian's experience here in Cincinnati, and there 34 00:02:50.879 --> 00:02:53.960 are some differences, I'm not saying that it's the same, but he's seen 35 00:02:54.000 --> 00:03:00.280 it go from one win and wondering where that first win is going to come 36 00:03:00.280 --> 00:03:06.840 in twenty nineteen to where it's gotten to where we're expecting AFC Championship runs and 37 00:03:06.919 --> 00:03:10.560 Super Bowls every year. And so even a job like Carolina, because I've 38 00:03:10.560 --> 00:03:15.319 seen a lot of comments on this, whether it's on our YouTube page or 39 00:03:15.360 --> 00:03:19.560 on social media, I think Brian will see some good in that, and 40 00:03:20.280 --> 00:03:23.680 it wouldn't shock me if that's of the three the job that he's most likely 41 00:03:23.719 --> 00:03:27.080 to take, because I think it's the one that's most likely to offer it 42 00:03:27.159 --> 00:03:30.240 to him. Yeah, I think we've seen some reporting kind of hinting that 43 00:03:30.360 --> 00:03:35.639 perhaps he is the favorite for the Carolina Panthers, but I think he's in 44 00:03:35.719 --> 00:03:39.199 consideration for all three jobs. You don't bring in Brian Callaghan for in person 45 00:03:39.280 --> 00:03:44.439 interviews if you're not at least considering it. Atlanta certainly talking to some very 46 00:03:44.520 --> 00:03:50.879 high profile coaches as well, so that one feels very competitive, just with 47 00:03:50.960 --> 00:03:55.960 the Belichick report out there and that interview that occurred. But I do think 48 00:03:55.960 --> 00:04:00.080 the Carolina is the hardest of these jobs, and think about any of the 49 00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:04.439 jobs. You don't just turned down a head coaching job unless it's wildly toxic, 50 00:04:04.719 --> 00:04:11.080 and you could argue that Carolina is that, with their owner being in 51 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:14.120 the news a little bit more than you probably want to see an owner in 52 00:04:14.199 --> 00:04:16.040 the news lately, and the way their season went, the lack of a 53 00:04:16.040 --> 00:04:20.240 first round asset this year, you're inheriting a QB. There are reasons that 54 00:04:20.759 --> 00:04:27.279 you would be worried historically about seeing a head coach go into that sort of 55 00:04:27.319 --> 00:04:30.360 situation for his first head coaching job. It's a hard place to be when 56 00:04:30.360 --> 00:04:34.160 you can't pick your own quarterback in the foreseeable future, and you don't have 57 00:04:34.240 --> 00:04:40.720 a ton of assets or honestly great players on the team. But it does 58 00:04:40.759 --> 00:04:45.000 feel like he's got a great shot to go somewhere else this year. I 59 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:47.160 think the Tennessee job in the Atlanta job are both okay. I think their 60 00:04:47.240 --> 00:04:54.800 worst jobs in the NFL. The NFC South seems to be going through coaches 61 00:04:54.839 --> 00:04:58.759 at a pretty high rate outside of New Orleans, and I guess Tampa to 62 00:04:59.120 --> 00:05:03.000 some degree in recent years. So both of those jobs, you know, 63 00:05:03.120 --> 00:05:05.959 a little bit tenuous. But at least in Atlanta, maybe you can get 64 00:05:05.959 --> 00:05:13.040 a new quarterback in and there's some pieces around down there. And in Tennessee, 65 00:05:13.279 --> 00:05:15.040 I don't know. I don't know how I feel about that one. 66 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:17.519 That feels like a pretty average job. But if Brian is a good coach, 67 00:05:17.759 --> 00:05:20.560 he could elevate any of these teams. And I think, you know, 68 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:25.560 we've seen over time that he's been involved with the turnaround in Cincinnati. 69 00:05:25.560 --> 00:05:30.399 We've heard Zach Taylor talk about his role in building the culture in Cincinnati, 70 00:05:30.439 --> 00:05:34.319 and like you mentioned, he's been through that ascent from bringing in the quarterbacks 71 00:05:34.319 --> 00:05:38.519 and getting to the top to getting to the super Bowl. And so that's 72 00:05:38.560 --> 00:05:41.360 got to be one of the reasons that he's very attractive to these teams. 73 00:05:41.639 --> 00:05:44.839 Yeah, for sure, let's rank. Let's rank them. Thousand foot view. 74 00:05:44.879 --> 00:05:46.680 Obviously we're not done on the interviews and don't have all the details. 75 00:05:46.800 --> 00:05:50.040 We don't know what the Falcons plan for quarterback is I love Desmond Ritter. 76 00:05:50.519 --> 00:05:54.480 I also don't think that that's the plan or should be the plan. They 77 00:05:54.519 --> 00:05:57.160 have the eighth pick. I think that's the best of the three jobs. 78 00:05:57.240 --> 00:06:00.120 Yep. Is that Falcons job, and part of it is the division and 79 00:06:00.399 --> 00:06:03.319 no doubt, and if they get the right quarterback, I think they would 80 00:06:03.319 --> 00:06:05.519 have won the division this year if they had the right quarterback. Put it 81 00:06:05.519 --> 00:06:10.839 that way, and Baker Mayfield won that division with a solid Tampa team. 82 00:06:10.920 --> 00:06:14.759 But they don't scare you. They certainly don't scare you, and so that's 83 00:06:14.759 --> 00:06:17.199 where I would start. I think the Tennessee job is behind that. But 84 00:06:17.519 --> 00:06:20.240 Mike Rabel had them in the AFC title game a few years ago with Ryan 85 00:06:20.240 --> 00:06:25.040 Tannehill. Like, if you're Brian and you think you're a good coach, 86 00:06:25.079 --> 00:06:28.240 and I know he thinks he's a good coach, why would you think that 87 00:06:28.279 --> 00:06:31.920 you couldn't turn it around in a weird AFC South That is also you know, 88 00:06:31.959 --> 00:06:34.920 you've got some ascending teams. It feels like some good young quarterbacks there, 89 00:06:34.959 --> 00:06:39.240 But I don't think it's it's certainly not the AFC North, but it 90 00:06:39.240 --> 00:06:43.439 that way. And then the Panthers job I agree. It's weird because you're 91 00:06:43.480 --> 00:06:47.120 kind of stuck with Bryce. Like in Tennessee, you're not stuck with Will 92 00:06:47.199 --> 00:06:50.319 Levis. It's a draft pick. They invested, and I'm fine if it 93 00:06:50.319 --> 00:06:54.600 doesn't work out this year, you can go get your next quarterback Carolina. 94 00:06:54.639 --> 00:06:57.920 You're probably married to him for the next two years unless things go really really 95 00:06:58.000 --> 00:07:02.360 wrong this next year. So you're making that job. It's similar sort of 96 00:07:02.360 --> 00:07:06.920 to him interviewing in Arizona last year versus interviewing in Indy, And those are 97 00:07:06.920 --> 00:07:12.560 the two interviews he took and got close to getting the Indie job. One 98 00:07:12.839 --> 00:07:16.959 you're drafting a quarterback potentially and the Colts ended up doing that. The other 99 00:07:17.120 --> 00:07:21.879 you have your quarterback in Kyler Murray. Similar to a degree with this Carolina 100 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:26.600 job, you have your quarterback, but he's almost like a smaller, less 101 00:07:26.639 --> 00:07:30.680 athletic Kyler Murray. And let's established Kyler had done something in the NFL at 102 00:07:30.720 --> 00:07:35.959 that point for sure. Yeah, so's it's tough. I do think that 103 00:07:36.000 --> 00:07:40.639 he'll take any of the three that comes down to it. I don't know 104 00:07:40.680 --> 00:07:43.519 that, but I would be surprised if he turned down a head coaching job. 105 00:07:43.839 --> 00:07:46.040 Yeah, I think that a lot of times, when these guys are 106 00:07:46.079 --> 00:07:49.319 in position to get their first head coaching job, it's very hard to turn 107 00:07:49.360 --> 00:07:53.879 it down. They are confident in themselves, they're aware. I'm sure Brian 108 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:56.800 is aware of what's going on in Carolina, right, But it's just an 109 00:07:56.800 --> 00:08:00.959 opportunity where if you're confident in your abilities and you're going to be confident in 110 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:05.600 your abilities if you're interviewing for head coaching jobs, believe that that would be 111 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:09.879 a job he would take. It's just losing that pick, not having a 112 00:08:09.920 --> 00:08:15.120 first round pick, it's just I think, really tough with the care and 113 00:08:15.319 --> 00:08:18.560 maybe I'm overrating it, but it's because it's the first overall pick that they 114 00:08:18.720 --> 00:08:22.920 lost in Tennessee. In Atlanta, picking seven and eight back to back, 115 00:08:22.879 --> 00:08:26.639 you have a really nice asset there to build your team around. If you 116 00:08:26.680 --> 00:08:31.639 want to get a quarterback, no doubt, and or a stud receiver for 117 00:08:31.720 --> 00:08:37.320 your own quarterback, if you like will or franchise tackle. Plenty of options 118 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:39.279 to your point. In Carolina, they don't have that. Let me ask 119 00:08:39.320 --> 00:08:43.440 you this. Let's say Brian Callahan takes the Bengals, or it goes from 120 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:46.399 Bengals offensive coordinator to Carolina Panthers head coach. Does that make it more likely 121 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:50.639 that a franchise tag T Higgins ends up in Carolina? I think it does. 122 00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:52.720 I think it makes it a little more likely, maybe a bit. 123 00:08:54.759 --> 00:08:56.759 I don't know. We can cross that bridge when we come to it. 124 00:08:56.799 --> 00:09:00.799 That just feels so far away. And it's so hard to project Bengals. 125 00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:03.120 We got T Higgins here, we need thirty three and a fourth rounder. 126 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:09.360 It's so hard to project project the Bengals trading T Higgins on the franchise tag 127 00:09:09.480 --> 00:09:13.120 thirty five. Okay, we'll take it. Let's go. Like, I 128 00:09:13.159 --> 00:09:16.440 get your point, but you also like, do you not agree? It's 129 00:09:16.600 --> 00:09:20.639 really hard to project that trade is something in reality? Oh for sure. 130 00:09:22.039 --> 00:09:26.679 Yeah, that's all I'm saying. And there's just no way I would let 131 00:09:26.759 --> 00:09:28.399 him play out this year on the tag though, And I think they're better 132 00:09:28.440 --> 00:09:33.960 with T. I just can't get nothing. And the thirty third pick in 133 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:39.240 this year's draft, it's pretty pretty good, especially where there's like you're seeing 134 00:09:39.320 --> 00:09:43.399 some some early reporting about the depth of the draft on Day three, some 135 00:09:43.399 --> 00:09:46.600 some discussion around that. How did you see that this week where like I 136 00:09:46.639 --> 00:09:50.840 did, Yeah, I did. Depletion of of the draft class, because 137 00:09:50.840 --> 00:09:54.000 of COVID years, because of this, because of nil, because of this, 138 00:09:54.039 --> 00:09:56.440 because of that, like the late part of the draft, you're talking 139 00:09:56.879 --> 00:10:03.519 earlier undrafted free agent kind of getting picked. So there's some reasons the Bengals 140 00:10:03.559 --> 00:10:07.279 might not be in dire straits of Brian Callyhangos. There's some reasons that Dan 141 00:10:07.320 --> 00:10:11.240 Pittrick could stay even though he's also in high demand. 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The Bengals 176 00:12:39.320 --> 00:12:41.440 drive for perfection, Shultz Strollers does too, because when it has to be 177 00:12:41.440 --> 00:12:46.879 perfect, it has to be Schultz Strollers. James. If Brian Callahan takes 178 00:12:46.879 --> 00:12:50.840 a job to be a head coach somewhere, there's been some concern, including 179 00:12:50.840 --> 00:12:54.519 on this podcast, about if the Bengals were to lose Daan Pitcher to an 180 00:12:54.519 --> 00:12:58.039 OC job as well, But there are some reasons that he could choose to 181 00:12:58.039 --> 00:13:01.639 say in Cincinnati, if he has an OC promotion on the table, especially 182 00:13:01.679 --> 00:13:03.960 and I think there's been some concern that, you know, maybe he would 183 00:13:05.039 --> 00:13:07.080 follow Brian Callahan. Maybe he would go somewhere where he's off for play calling 184 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:13.519 duties and he would take a bigger promotion quote unquote, bigger promotion including play 185 00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:16.919 calling, perhaps to go elsewhere. What are your thoughts on Dan Pitcher's future 186 00:13:18.080 --> 00:13:22.440 if Brian Callahan does depart. I think Brian Callahan is the next Bengals offensive 187 00:13:22.440 --> 00:13:26.919 coordinator and there's a couple of the Brian Callahan I think he meant dam Pitcher, 188 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:31.759 Oh, damn Pitcher. Bam, Wow, how about that? See 189 00:13:31.360 --> 00:13:35.960 I just did on the podcast what social media teams across the country have been 190 00:13:35.960 --> 00:13:39.600 doing. Maybe I meant to do that on purpose, getting the two confused. 191 00:13:39.960 --> 00:13:43.480 Dan Pitcher's the next Bengals offensive coordinator, and I would be surprised if 192 00:13:43.519 --> 00:13:48.279 he wasn't. I messaged you that before we started the show. There's a 193 00:13:48.320 --> 00:13:52.679 couple of things here, and we know about his Saints interview. You could 194 00:13:52.679 --> 00:13:56.480 look around the league. There's the Patriots. There's the idea of following Callahan 195 00:13:56.519 --> 00:14:01.720 to the Titans or Panthers or Falcons. First things first, why would he 196 00:14:01.799 --> 00:14:07.519 not follow Callahan? What can Callahan offer that Zach Taylor cant because call me 197 00:14:07.559 --> 00:14:11.480 crazy, but after five years of being an offensive coordinator not calling your own 198 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:16.919 plays, I will be floored, shocked, stunned if Brian Callahan does not 199 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:20.360 call his own plays wherever he is, I would be I would be stunned. 200 00:14:20.399 --> 00:14:24.559 And it's because he's an offensive mind and I'm sure he wants that shot, 201 00:14:24.559 --> 00:14:26.919 and he wants to show what he can do, and he's learned and 202 00:14:26.960 --> 00:14:30.639 feels like he's ready. So I would be stunned if he didn't go that 203 00:14:30.720 --> 00:14:33.919 route. So there you go. If you're Dan pitcher and you're not calling 204 00:14:33.960 --> 00:14:35.960 your plays here in Cincinnati, well why would you go to Tennessee or Carolina 205 00:14:37.600 --> 00:14:39.600 or Atlanta? You wouldn't. He's not following Brian Callahan. And this is 206 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:43.039 an inside info. It's just looking at the tea leaves and reading them. 207 00:14:43.240 --> 00:14:46.399 As far as that's concerned, I think there we go. We close the 208 00:14:46.399 --> 00:14:50.919 door on Brian Callahan following or Dan pitcher Man. That's twice. Dan Pitcher 209 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:56.639 following Brian Callahan. These other jobs, they could offer the play calling element. 210 00:14:56.879 --> 00:15:03.720 And that's what's interesting now about the Bengals because Zach Taylor hasn't really entertained 211 00:15:03.720 --> 00:15:07.720 the idea of not calling plays. Would he do that to keep Dan Pitcher? 212 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:11.360 Does he need to do that to keep Dan Pitcher? I think that's 213 00:15:11.399 --> 00:15:13.559 the real question to ask, because I'm not sure he does. New England 214 00:15:13.720 --> 00:15:16.799 is a question mark. The Eagles have an opening that's a question mark. 215 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:20.840 The Bears field theirs today, I don't know. I mean, you got 216 00:15:20.919 --> 00:15:26.639 Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase, and if Dan Pitcher does his job in Cincinnati, 217 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:30.279 he will get interviewed for head coaching jobs next year. I don't know 218 00:15:30.279 --> 00:15:33.279 if we'll get one, but he'll get interviews. I don't know if it's 219 00:15:33.279 --> 00:15:37.720 worth moving your family and going through all of that when you could just get 220 00:15:37.720 --> 00:15:41.919 the elevation here, roll with Joe Burrow and try to win a Super Bowl. 221 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:46.679 I think the most telling thing about that that idea that you can say 222 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:48.720 here and get a head coaching interview next year if you do a good job 223 00:15:48.759 --> 00:15:56.399 as OC is look at all of the McVeigh, Shanahan, Taylor, coaches 224 00:15:56.720 --> 00:16:02.879 that are in demand, and Zach Taylor doesn't have a huge coaching tree at 225 00:16:02.879 --> 00:16:07.080 this point because people have stayed in Cincinnati for the last few years. Has 226 00:16:07.159 --> 00:16:12.000 documented Brian Callahan one of, if not the longest tenured offensive coordinator in the 227 00:16:12.120 --> 00:16:15.840 NFL at the same team, longest tenured offensive coordinator in the league. YEP, 228 00:16:17.000 --> 00:16:21.440 So a bit of a surprise there that those physicians just move. There's 229 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:25.159 a lot of turnover because those guys, when they're good go to other teams. 230 00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:30.960 When they're bad, they get replaced. And the point is is you 231 00:16:30.039 --> 00:16:36.960 look at some of the interview patterns the Bears reportedly hiring Shane Waldron or moving 232 00:16:37.000 --> 00:16:41.440 toward hiring Shane Waldron. These guys coming from the McVeigh, Taylor tree, 233 00:16:41.039 --> 00:16:45.200 Shanahan tree are in high demand around the NFL. And you'll probably see that 234 00:16:45.200 --> 00:16:49.000 with Mike McDaniel in the next couple of years as well. We've seen it 235 00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:55.159 with Andy Reid over the last few years. But if that continues, then 236 00:16:55.559 --> 00:16:59.519 Dan Pitcher would be another one of those guys, and if he does a 237 00:16:59.559 --> 00:17:03.639 good job and he can separate himself from the other number of coaches in the 238 00:17:03.759 --> 00:17:10.559 NFL that have similar experience, and if Taylor doesn't want to lose both guys, 239 00:17:11.200 --> 00:17:18.039 being Callahan and Dan Pitcher, he does have some things that Bengals can 240 00:17:18.079 --> 00:17:21.279 offer. One it could be just as simple as money. Do the Bengals 241 00:17:21.319 --> 00:17:26.480 need to pay more to keep Pitcher than other teams would offer in similar roles 242 00:17:26.480 --> 00:17:32.000 too? I wonder, as there's been some speculation, including Joe Gudberry on 243 00:17:32.039 --> 00:17:36.960 Bengals on the Brain, I wonder if Zach would consider head coach or play 244 00:17:36.960 --> 00:17:41.599 calling duties and I wonder if that's on the table to try to keep Dan 245 00:17:41.680 --> 00:17:45.160 Pitcher if they don't want to go through that much upheaval in one year. 246 00:17:45.880 --> 00:17:48.319 Yeah, do they need to to your question, I don't know, But 247 00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:51.359 is it on the table? I wonder. I mean, I think that 248 00:17:51.759 --> 00:17:57.160 could be reasonable. You can see that being possible. Sure you could, 249 00:17:57.279 --> 00:18:02.319 because I think we talked about this last week and those that listened to or 250 00:18:02.359 --> 00:18:07.599 watched our show, losing both is not good and I don't think Zach wants 251 00:18:07.599 --> 00:18:10.240 to do that. And I think that that's You could say what you want 252 00:18:10.279 --> 00:18:14.119 about Brian or the offense or Dan or what which I don't know why you'd 253 00:18:14.119 --> 00:18:17.240 say really anything bad about Dan because both quarterbacks look prepared all year, right, 254 00:18:17.359 --> 00:18:22.359 that's the job of the quarterbacks coach. I think that they're as valued 255 00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:26.519 as anyone. I think Zach puts a lot on Brian. I think Zach 256 00:18:26.920 --> 00:18:29.599 relies on Dan a lot. I think Joe trust both of those guys, 257 00:18:29.640 --> 00:18:33.559 and that matters a lot. So to have both guys just go in one 258 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:34.960 offseason, that would suck. For lack of a better word, and I 259 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:38.240 know that's not the professional word. Whatever, I'm telling you, that's exactly 260 00:18:38.279 --> 00:18:42.559 how Zach's thinking. So what do they do? I agree, I think 261 00:18:42.599 --> 00:18:45.480 there's there's a chance they could go that route. I do wonder if they 262 00:18:45.519 --> 00:18:49.720 need to. It's a good oc job. And you say, Dan, 263 00:18:51.559 --> 00:18:56.640 we value you and they should pay him, of course. But the play 264 00:18:56.640 --> 00:18:59.519 calling duties, I because that opens up a whole nother can of worms. 265 00:18:59.599 --> 00:19:02.200 I'm sure there's a lot of people listening like, yeah, Dan Pitcher play 266 00:19:02.200 --> 00:19:06.640 calling, Okay, Zach Taylor's done it for five years. I'm sure you 267 00:19:06.680 --> 00:19:08.279 have beef with some of his play calls. Get it? I do too. 268 00:19:08.440 --> 00:19:12.680 Guess what, Dan Pitcher's not done it all right during this stretch with 269 00:19:12.720 --> 00:19:15.680 the Bengals. So there's there's some growth there. And that's always been my 270 00:19:17.480 --> 00:19:19.759 argument when people say, oh, Brian should be calling plays. I like 271 00:19:19.799 --> 00:19:25.839 Brian a lot. There would be a period there where he's getting his feet 272 00:19:25.920 --> 00:19:27.640 under it. And Zach has gone through that, and he's done it for 273 00:19:27.680 --> 00:19:30.839 five years now, and he knows Burrow and he knows what he likes and 274 00:19:30.880 --> 00:19:34.160 doesn't like and all of those things. So I'm not jumping at the idea 275 00:19:34.920 --> 00:19:38.440 if I'm zack of going to Dan and letting him call plays. But I 276 00:19:38.480 --> 00:19:41.519 do think that I guess there could be a scenario where that's the case. 277 00:19:41.559 --> 00:19:45.559 I just wonder if it's if it's needed to keep him. I don't think 278 00:19:45.559 --> 00:19:48.319 it is, but maybe it is. It'll be interesting. We should find 279 00:19:48.359 --> 00:19:52.599 out. We should get our answers this week, potentially this week next week 280 00:19:52.599 --> 00:19:57.319 at the latest Brian Callahan with those three in person interviews starting Monday through Wednesday, 281 00:19:57.400 --> 00:20:00.519 back to back to back days. Teams are gonna want to get this 282 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:04.599 stuff resolved sooner than later. That's the case every year Senior Bowl. Right 283 00:20:04.640 --> 00:20:07.519 around the corner, you want your coaches to be in place for that, 284 00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:14.160 especially in Cincinnati, also true for other teams around the league. To finish 285 00:20:14.279 --> 00:20:15.920 up the show, James, you've got some playoff dakeaways to talk about with 286 00:20:17.200 --> 00:20:22.440 the divisional round behind us in some conversation in national media that maybe some Joe 287 00:20:22.480 --> 00:20:26.960 burrow eraser. We'll finish the show there coming up next. 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There are a couple of different directions we could go here. 325 00:22:53.680 --> 00:22:57.759 I have some ideas. We talked about Bill's Chiefs before we started recording, 326 00:22:57.839 --> 00:23:02.079 James. I'll let you take us where we're going to start. Well, 327 00:23:02.480 --> 00:23:06.440 game takeaways. Yeah, let's start with explosive plays, man oh man, 328 00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:10.160 are they the difference and can they be the difference? And you look at 329 00:23:10.240 --> 00:23:14.519 Chiefs Bills. The Bills they don't hit on the deep ball to Stefon Diggs. 330 00:23:14.519 --> 00:23:18.200 That certainly impacted the game, but no explosives throughout the game. Meanwhile, 331 00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:22.640 the Chiefs average over seven yards per play, multiple explosives. They have 332 00:23:22.680 --> 00:23:26.319 Travis Kelce running free, or she Rice with some big plays. Isaiah Pacheco 333 00:23:26.759 --> 00:23:30.000 had some big plays, had Clyde Edwards a layer had a big run up 334 00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:36.359 the sideline. That's a major factor. And I think this Bengals offense this 335 00:23:36.440 --> 00:23:41.640 offseason, whether it's Brian Callahan, Dan Pitcher or Jake Lisco calling the plays, 336 00:23:41.599 --> 00:23:45.200 you need to find a way to get more explosive plays. And in 337 00:23:45.279 --> 00:23:49.400 part of that's personnel, part of that's execution certainly, and part of that's 338 00:23:49.400 --> 00:23:55.000 finding the right plays at the right time. Four verts, I'm calling the 339 00:23:55.000 --> 00:23:59.519 plays four verts. Well that's my style. Baby, oh baby, let's 340 00:23:59.559 --> 00:24:07.000 go ifttle bit. If I were to tell you that the Bills ran thirty 341 00:24:07.039 --> 00:24:11.839 more plays in the Chiefs, yep, they outpossessed the Chiefs by fifteen minutes. 342 00:24:12.240 --> 00:24:18.079 Yep. Out they out rushed the Chiefs by forty yards. The Chiefs 343 00:24:18.200 --> 00:24:25.799 lost the turnover battle, and the Chiefs also couldn't get into the end zone 344 00:24:25.799 --> 00:24:30.160 on two red zone possessions, including one of those being one of those turnovers. 345 00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:33.240 Would you think the Chiefs won that game. How would the Chiefs possibly 346 00:24:33.279 --> 00:24:40.480 win that game when they're outpossessed by fourteen fifteen minutes? Give up? You 347 00:24:40.519 --> 00:24:44.480 know, there's that many more explosive plays. That's how you stay in a 348 00:24:44.519 --> 00:24:48.000 game that goes out. Man, It'll just hide, It'll just hide all 349 00:24:48.039 --> 00:24:52.240 the other the other flaws. And by the way, I think the Chiefs 350 00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:55.720 defense is legit. I think that's part of it. They made it very 351 00:24:55.759 --> 00:24:59.000 hard for the Bills, having all those extra plays, the yards per play 352 00:24:59.400 --> 00:25:03.559 for Bills offense that was moving down the stretch. Yeah, the Chiefs defense 353 00:25:03.599 --> 00:25:08.759 made things hard for sure. Yeah. So there's one one thing, one 354 00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:14.039 major takeaway. The other is, man, oh man, some of our 355 00:25:14.119 --> 00:25:17.920 draft crushes, some of our draft crushes just crushing it. I was just 356 00:25:17.920 --> 00:25:21.480 sitting there like, oh, all these tight ends, and I think everyone 357 00:25:21.559 --> 00:25:26.759 was mentioning tight ends. But just to see Jamir Gibbs just accelerate, accelerate 358 00:25:26.799 --> 00:25:30.759 into the end zone, running past safety's making them look slow. And I 359 00:25:30.759 --> 00:25:33.000 know he was there at twelve, but those that listened to the show, 360 00:25:33.039 --> 00:25:36.759 no, I was really high on him and kin Kate had a few nice 361 00:25:36.759 --> 00:25:41.519 catches. Laporta was someone that, man, we should have been higher on 362 00:25:41.640 --> 00:25:45.319 and pushed harder, I think, but well, obviously was someone that the 363 00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:48.799 Bengals like, but not enough to take it. Twenty eight publican census on 364 00:25:48.880 --> 00:25:56.039 Laporta was flipped pretty consistent throughout. The highest anybody would have him would have 365 00:25:56.039 --> 00:25:59.440 been early second round, not quite as early as he got picked. I 366 00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:03.960 think you know where he got picked was a surprise to many people who know 367 00:26:03.079 --> 00:26:07.839 a lot about the industry. Same for Jamiera Gibbs, the tight Ends winner 368 00:26:07.799 --> 00:26:11.519 earlier too. Yeah, it Gibs winner earlier, but the tight Ends when 369 00:26:11.559 --> 00:26:15.079 you look at him outside of like Darnold Washington, like Tucker Craft went a 370 00:26:15.119 --> 00:26:19.640 little earlier. Luke Musgrave went earlier than people expect like they all got bumped 371 00:26:19.720 --> 00:26:25.839 up almost except after Kinkaid went after Kinkaid because Kinkaid could have gone earlier. 372 00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:30.319 Mayor could have gone earlier, but the NFL didn't like Mayor as much as 373 00:26:30.319 --> 00:26:33.680 some of these athletic guys. It is one of those things where you're going 374 00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:36.200 to look back at the tight end class and think, man, that's a 375 00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:40.279 missed opportunity. Somebody asked us that question on Twitter. I responded to the 376 00:26:40.359 --> 00:26:42.880 question, it is a missed opportunity. I don't think there's any way around 377 00:26:42.880 --> 00:26:47.160 it. It was a great tight end class. I was way on board 378 00:26:47.160 --> 00:26:51.079 for Tucker Craft. I think Tucker Craft having him if he was on the 379 00:26:51.079 --> 00:26:55.000 team right now, if you had the Green Bay musgrave Craft combo, you'd 380 00:26:55.000 --> 00:26:56.880 be great. You'd be feeling great about your tight end future. But if 381 00:26:56.880 --> 00:27:00.839 he had just one of those guys, I think you be feeling pretty good 382 00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:03.599 about it too. But one of the one of the takeaways there for me 383 00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:08.799 is and this is reactionary, Don't get me wrong, this is this is 384 00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:15.559 reacting to one year of NFL football. Yep, let's I'm probably gonna downplay 385 00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:19.240 positional value a little bit this year. Yeah, I get it. I 386 00:27:19.279 --> 00:27:23.000 do. After last year, I was all about it and you weren't alone. 387 00:27:23.079 --> 00:27:26.720 You weren't alone either, believe me. And it's not just last year 388 00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:29.279 either. This might be a one year blip, right, like picking Jamier 389 00:27:29.279 --> 00:27:33.720 Gibbs and Stan Laporta goes wrong for teams more than it goes right for teams. 390 00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:37.200 But it made a big difference for Detroit this year. The Lions took 391 00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:41.200 Gibbs, a linebacker and then a tight end, all in the top thirty 392 00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:45.799 four. I mean, that's it's tough. And I think they could have 393 00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:48.319 waited till eighteen to take Gibbs. I really do. I mean I was 394 00:27:48.359 --> 00:27:51.440 high on them as anybody, but I think they could have waited and they 395 00:27:51.480 --> 00:27:53.680 take Jack Campbell instead. But hey, it's worked out. They're in the 396 00:27:53.680 --> 00:27:59.559 the NFC Championship game, the two quarterbacks, and the NFC Championship Game. 397 00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:03.079 Aren't get all the budds. But I will say all this talk the other 398 00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:07.319 takeaway then it's wild, Like anywhere you turn now from Joe Burrow being compared 399 00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:11.640 to Ben Roethlisberger and everyone's gonna say two rings, that's a fair comp No, 400 00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:15.720 it's not to Brady Manning, and now Lamar is the second best player 401 00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:19.640 in the world. People just forget about Joe. It's just it's wild to 402 00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:23.880 me. He's been dominant in these playoff games. He's won five playoff games 403 00:28:23.880 --> 00:28:30.000 in two years, back to back division championships. Gets hurt and now it's 404 00:28:30.039 --> 00:28:33.160 like he's justin Herbert or something. And I'm not knocking Herbert, like I 405 00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:34.799 think people still respect Joe and think he's a good player. No, he's 406 00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:38.279 had playoff success, like a lot of it, and he's not even mentioned 407 00:28:38.359 --> 00:28:41.119 right now. I mean, Lamar could win out, he could win the 408 00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:45.000 Super Bowl, and he doesn't have as many playoff wins as Joe Burrow does 409 00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:48.279 over the past two years coming into this season. It's just it's a bit 410 00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:53.240 wild to me. I think at least Bengals fans find out like this. 411 00:28:53.599 --> 00:28:59.720 You credit Patrick Mahomes in his postgame comments for sure, Yeah out Joe Burrow, 412 00:28:59.799 --> 00:29:02.559 Like, yeah, when I played Josh Allenen, I played Joe Burrow 413 00:29:02.599 --> 00:29:04.359 and I play Lamar Jackson. I know that's going to come down to the 414 00:29:04.440 --> 00:29:07.799 end. I know the kind of fire those guys have. That's the respect 415 00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:12.240 that Patrick Mahomes will put on those guys and made sure even though he's about 416 00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:17.400 to play the Ravens just played Josh Allen and the Bills not to forget about 417 00:29:17.480 --> 00:29:19.720 Joe And how could you if you're Patrick Mahomes, Because there is a bit 418 00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:26.359 of a nemesis match up there. People talking about Josh Allen and Mahomes being 419 00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:30.000 the best QB rivalry in the NFL. Maybe it is because they both win 420 00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:36.240 and Patrick Mahomes has the one more recent win against Joe Burrow, so maybe 421 00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:37.279 you got to win more to call it a rivalry, but I think you 422 00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:41.519 can call it a rivalry between Patrick Mahomes and Joe Burrow. Yeah, it's 423 00:29:41.559 --> 00:29:45.720 the best rival I don't even think it's I don't even think it's close. 424 00:29:45.119 --> 00:29:49.839 Now, Bill's Chiefs. They're always fun games, they're always entertaining. But 425 00:29:51.079 --> 00:29:53.759 every single game the Bengals and Chiefs have played are one possession. They go 426 00:29:53.799 --> 00:29:59.640 down to the wire. They could have gone either way, and sign me 427 00:29:59.720 --> 00:30:02.960 up for plus all the trash talk around it. I just I think that 428 00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:06.240 that's, to me, the best rivalry. I think that will continue. 429 00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:10.240 There's a reason Jamar Chase said anyone but the Chiefs. I don't feel that 430 00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:14.319 way. Maybe we'll talk about that later in the week at some point. 431 00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:21.720 But uh, that's if you think I'm rooting for the Ravens and another thing 432 00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:26.160 coming Jacobs. Yeah, I'll tell you that much right now. I love 433 00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:32.279 Lamar, but everyone else. Just to wrap up here, I just uh 434 00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:34.640 a couple other playoff thoughts tight ends. You mentioned that. I think tight 435 00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:40.279 ends for each of these playoff teams were among the leaders and receiving yards. 436 00:30:40.279 --> 00:30:44.400 George Schidtle, Travis Kelcey, Sam Laport of making big plays, Isaiah likely 437 00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:48.200 making big plays, cade Oughten making those two hurt, those two hurt. 438 00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:53.359 Dalton Kinkaid the leading receiver for the best tight ends making plays for all these 439 00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:56.759 offenses. We're going to be talking about tight ends a lot. Not a 440 00:30:56.799 --> 00:31:00.480 great offseason to acquire tight ends, but you can do it. If the 441 00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:03.680 Bengals choose to prioritize it, we'll see what direction they want to go there. 442 00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:10.559 And Lamar Jackson is incredibly good at football, like put the team on 443 00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:12.640 his back one hundred rushing yards, two rushing touchdowns to go with the passing 444 00:31:12.680 --> 00:31:21.160 productivity for that team. Certainly can't underestimate Lamar Jackson will be a thorn in 445 00:31:21.200 --> 00:31:25.000 the side of this team. Should be a fun rivalry with Jackson and Burrow, 446 00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:27.680 assuming they get to play each other on a regular basis at any point 447 00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:32.720 when both players are healthy. But that's another one. Just looking around and 448 00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:37.920 strong quarterbacks in the AFC, we kind of thought maybe that that wasn't going 449 00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:41.480 to be the case late in the regular season, the AFC looking very muddled, 450 00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:45.039 and here we are at the end of things, and it's the best 451 00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:55.480 quarterbacks in the AFC and in NFC it's Rock Purty and and goff. Keep 452 00:31:55.880 --> 00:32:00.200 Joe healthy. Yeah, if so, you always have a shot. You 453 00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:02.440 always have a shot. Even if the defense leaves something to be desired, 454 00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:07.079 you always have a shot. Yep, that's going to do it. For 455 00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:10.880 this episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast, it's off season time, more off 456 00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:15.039 season topics and more news coming potentially on the coaching carousel here and we'll have 457 00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:20.079 you covered when it does. Until next time, Thanks for listening, Wode, 458 00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:21.680 and have a go one